Intel Obscuring Specs? - WAN Show October 6, 2017
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·Linus Tech Tips
·2018-05-06
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okay it is when show time again
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it has been a very challenging three weeks so i was talking to um
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i don't know i was talking to a couple of people about it today because it was such an
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astonishing realization for me that i just had to share it with everybody
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um in the last three weeks i have spent only six out of 15 days
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working on our like daily content wow
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five days i was out for tech showdown yep three days i've been basically out for
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rog rig reboot yep and then one day i was out for ultrawide festival
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so you throw in a few wan shows yeah and i have actually had almost
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no time to work on like our normal content
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so on the one hand it's great that we're like getting any of it done
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so that's cool but on the other hand like i haven't actually gotten to goof around
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with tech in so long
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like i okay the kinds of projects that i have on the go right now okay i have a a
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threadripper uh ihs transplant to do so i want to put
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the vanity Linus tech tips one on a working chip nice yeah okay so
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yeah it's nice if i can ever do it i want to break out the old chiller oh i
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thought you're saying like these are things you're progressing and goes no i'm making no progress i want to go sub
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zero i want to do the final office update for the uh for the uh window tv
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okay yeah um you know what i should i should bring up
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trello i should have a look at all the other like crazy stuff that i'm supposed
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to be doing right i don't get to play with that kind of technology anymore but
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like um you need to change your handle man but
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xiaomi mi mix 2 yeah got to get my review done of that
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like look at the screen on this thing it's upside down well yeah wow but look
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at that the whole thing whole thing's a screen yeah basically yeah and that's
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cool software software is terrible software is terrible um
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software needs some work um i don't get to play with that kind of tech but uh
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boiler i'm not gonna say your whole handle you need to figure out someone else dude um has been like contributing
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to the sales open source which is super cool and some cool things have happened
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this week we had that meeting thing which i'm sure didn't help at all with
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your being able to work on uh yeah content stuff but Floatplane
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Floatplane progress right yeah yeah
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hopefully dude if you're out there take the job
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come work with us yeah that would be great we uh we need
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we need skilled developers
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yeah um yeah other cool stuff most insane SSD set up so six 960 pros
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running in raid zero nice on Threadripper nice like actually that one
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progress is being made because ivan's working on it but anyway the point is i
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think the most insane SSD setup is actually when that guy tied together
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like 50 of them like six years ago
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so i'm just saying i'm just saying like you might have used
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newer technology but like you said SSD
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setup in general
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so like just saying
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anyways for news this week we have a bunch of different stuff one ncx tech
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tips is like gone it's in limbo that's for sure for
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now maybe coming back google announces the
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pixel 2 and pixel 2 xl
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uh and Intel is renaming their kaby lake
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pentiums it's super dumb it's like the dumbest
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thing ever yeah and uh oh right we'll roll the
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intro now
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it's interesting because we have a few pieces of Intel news in here which has
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not been super common for a while because i've been AMD but it's like not
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good stuff um
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you know i actually probably want to talk about that
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because yeah actually you know what yeah i do
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have some i do have some stuff to say about that are you gonna talk about this by the way um yeah i will okay
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um
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uh oh yeah yeah sorry max i'll i'll do that for you i totally forgot i remoted
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into my computer and then i just didn't do it i tried unlocking your computer
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nope my computer uses a real password
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yup unlike everything else
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um sorry guys hold on a second
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okay i just saved a v3 and you're good okay
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all right so
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you know what why don't we why don't we tackle
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let's do the dumb Intel news first and then let's do the dumb cool dumb
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reaction to Intel news because like honestly i was pretty um
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i was pretty frustrated with the community's reaction to
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certain aspects of coffee lake and the launch and our
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review of it okay um because i haven't looked into this it was it was
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pretty dumb uh so numlock21 posted on the forum the original article here is
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from tech powerup and
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twitch right now rats hold on
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um um um
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um
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yeah all right
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Intel to re-brand pentium
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as pentium gold oh
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oh oh yes ah yes
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wait why okay so it's all part of like
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an overarching stupid thing hold on i'm just gonna turn the apertures uh more
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but more open a bit one sec what i'm so confused is this only for the hot oh
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sorry one second guys this is kind of silly
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okay i think we just need it so low power low-power gemini lake socs will bear the
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pentium silver brand besides celeron
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is there pentium bronze i don't see a pentium bronze
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so there's pentium silver and pentium gold so basically as far as i can tell
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Intel hired some kind of new like senior vp of branding or
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marketing or like product naming or whatever that position
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is where you actually make the decision about what to call the product and they
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did the unthinkable they managed to make Intel's naming
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scheme worse it's impressive you know like to give
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them props yeah they found a way because they had the will they had
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Intel they were determined Intel hasn't named
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for a consumer okay like i'm not talking about you know xeon or itanium
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itanium sounds pretty cool the problem with sculptural is that it's
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a code name Intel's code names are so good yeah a lot of the time sometimes
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they're dumb skull trails that was so cool bone tram oh my god i mean even
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stuff like alpine ridge yeah like that's pretty cool be like yeah i want like an
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Intel alpine ridge hell yeah that's a Thunderbolt controller by the way it
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ended up i mean even Thunderbolt has a cool name but on the CPU side okay so
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bad go way back in the day it was like the 286 and the 386 and the 486 and all
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that made sense i know there are numbers but people remember that you got your generation and you got your your
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instruction set okay x86 pretty straightforward
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cool then they got to five and they were like no let's not do 586 let's go
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pentium and you know what not bad maybe
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part of it is that pentium has basically existed since i've like had a computer
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well no actually that's not true we had a uh 386 that we then upgraded to a 40 i
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can understand that change though you're going to be wrong slightly less ultra
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hardcore yeah you're going you're you're and then you and then you go generations of pentium
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okay and then celeron i was like yeah sure okay celeron why not
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then came core
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what if it was actually how many cores they
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had then sure yeah so if if a core two
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was a dual core yeah but yeah but then you're like you're
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backed into a corner because what are you going to call that what are you going to call the next
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generation you would have to call it the core 2 2. do you remember core 2 quad
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though yes core 2 duo core 2 quad so you
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would have to say i mean you still have to do it you would
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have to say yeah i've got an Intel core 2 duo dual
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core cp
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bad no and then you got these indecipherable
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numbers at the end of them and in Intel's defense there is a legend on
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their site for how to decipher them yeah but you know many of the numbers like
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never ended up getting incremented at all so they might as well have just
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not had them and Intel plants out their product road
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maps so far in advance like do they really need to leave
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you know like a 50 there just in case they
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need to use it like they did they never do it
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uh so anyway anyway so we've been stuck with core
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core i3 core i5 core i7 for a long time and then at least core i9
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made sense in the sense that it was a a
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continuation of something that's been established over the last 10 years if
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you want to show off how ridiculous this is just show our Intel naming videos on
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techwiki yeah i think it's got like six million views
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like what is uh uh what is core i7
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uh videos
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yeah hold on here we'll bring this up uh seven million like it keeps on
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trucking this one what is a core i3 core i5 and core i7 as
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fast as possible seven million freaking views all right what's the core i9
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that's got a million since three months ago like people like i clearly understand it a little
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better now than they used to but at least core i9 had the advantage of
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continuity and sort of people aren't shopping for it as much
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it's too expensive and the other issue too though is that they did kind of
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screw it up because if core i9 had simply been high-end desktop
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yeah then sure but they've got core i7s
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and core i5s on the same platform
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and oh man 7740 k or x is it an x i can't even remember
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but whatever the like the kaby lake chips on x 299
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they were super dumb when x 299 launched
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now they are like super super mega ultra
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dumb because now that coffee lake has launched
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7740x you would only be buying one of those if you were just a complete idiot
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or you were a professional overclocker looking for like per core records or
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something because coffee lake is overclocking pretty well five gigahertz
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it looks pretty attainable and not just for like people who are sorting through
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trays of cpus so that's pretty cool anyway coming back to pentium so they brought
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back the pentium brand um after having gotten rid of it for many years and they
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assigned it to their cheapo products and i was kind of like
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like that feels a little bit like uh it's kind of sad yeah it's like reusing
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what used to be like top of the line like cream of the cream and like going
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for like a nostalgia sale to someone who like i guess in the sense it's like it's
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if it's competitive with Intel's like old cpus like
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you'd have to be running something old enough to be a pentium for it to be an
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upgrade right maybe that was the rationale i don't know
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um like at least they didn't
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at least they didn't pull an AMD where they brought back the fx branding oh for
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like a super super mainstream product
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because remember guys or maybe not remember like i'm gonna let you know
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young people fx used to be a thousand dollars yeah
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period you didn't buy an fx for less than a thousand dollars that was it it was it's
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cream of the cream and then they brought back fx as like
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super ultra mega rebranded
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stuff we had sounds cool so it might sell some stuff
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yeah exactly so anyway um
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back to gold as far as i can tell Intel
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brought in some kind of rebranding executive
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who renamed all these zeons
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according to this bronze silver gold platinum
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naming scheme and it makes
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no sense at all i'd love to see internal numbers
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to see if anything changed when they did that no of course not oh i know but like
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i would like to be able to represent my argument with facts and it's so
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confusing because again Intel's server products
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the product names were a little confusing like uh something like like a
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2687w but like you need such specific things
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yeah it doesn't really matter if it's confusing you're going to arc them all anyway and if you know what a w is a w
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is like a high power workstation chip then you'd know it's not going to have
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the same like max core count as the ones that are designed for um like tons of
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virtualization or whatever else um and it's gonna have like higher boost clocks
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it's probably got a higher TDP like you could kind of piece it together if you were somewhat familiar with the lineup
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now like a gold could be a high performance skew that fits in this
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socket or that one or like this dual platform one it has to do with like the
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raw performance but the features get left behind and so now we're just we're
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just like gonna just tack gold onto stuff
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like i just it's just frustrating
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so the name change comes with a refreshed case badge and a slightly
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modified box design and it'll be effective november 2nd
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2017. so basically gold which is
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i don't want to say always tacky but it's pretty much always tacky
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usually tacky unless it's a rank in a competitive video game it's tacky
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well now hold on golden black can look
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pretty good i mean as like a product naming thing oh oh yeah that no that
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like how dead is that like when's the last time anyone did like
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bronze silver gold you can use gold tastefully it just has to be used
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properly like remember when we were doing the support tiers on the forum
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which incidentally are bronze silver and gold we were talking about it i was just
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like you know what i just don't have time to think about this let's just do bronze silver and gold
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but like but Intel what's your excuse i think
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ours is also pretty easy there isn't any confusing like
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it doesn't actually follow the features it only follows raw performance like no
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there's really not much else you get yeah you
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get a different colored badge you get access to a better forum thank you for
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your contribution that's ultimately what it is
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so not a better form everything happens in the bronze forum spoiler alert yeah
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there's a counting to 10 000 thread in the bronze forum and the silver and gold
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forums are pretty much cobwebs hey do you guys want to uh do you guys want to
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get some really cool insight into the way that youtube does or doesn't deliver
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video notifications to subscribers
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this is pretty cool so hold on i'm actually going to load up another
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another tab here to give you guys some context for this this is pretty cool and
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i have some i have some good Intel news in in a moment here but um
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here let's go ahead let's bring up some analytics for this bad boy
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surprisingly a lot of people said no
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about what wanting to see this really there was definitely quite a few
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people who said yes as well but okay well whatever it's cool you'll like it
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so here's the dashboard for one of our recent releases so you can have a look
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at what a video might typically do
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in the first hour so
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this is our core i7 8700k review um
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sitting at 690 000 views and in the first hour it did about 84 000 followed
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by 72 000. this is a weird launch time so this dk curve looks a little bit
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different than it normally would but it's also not totally atypical yeah
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all right so in the last 60 minutes
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there goes a fly it did about 3 400 views oh you guys can't see that
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whatever that you take my word for it 3 400 views or so okay
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so youtube's algorithm is
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so i don't use the word smart damn but what
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i'll say is it is so aggressive
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about targeting content that it
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it thinks might be me trying to use my
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subscriber base as a way to communicate with the people that
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watch Linus tech tips it's so sensitive to that that check
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this out the WAN Show and stream announcement video
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i specifically uploaded at the same ish time every week with the same title
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every week and youtube's algorithm has got this thing crushed to the point
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where in the first hour
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it is probably gonna do like
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let's see we're only doing about a hundred and seven of an hour i think yeah something along
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those lines it has only managed to do about 3600 views in the last 20 minutes
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or so pretty crazy that's nuts so you see
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okay this is an extreme example and this is something where you know what
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quite honestly i could name it something else and that would
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help more people get notifications for it
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but intentionally i'm feeding into the algorithm here allowing the algorithm to
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take the people who aren't interested in WAN Show and just not pump them a
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notification like i'm okay with that because we just do it because we've
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always done it and if it boosts the live viewers a little
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bit then like great they know we're live that's cool for the people that do rely
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on that notification if we don't put it up some people do miss the lan show
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um but what this is this is also a fair amount of this to be clear um yeah i'm
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glad max won in the chat said i see the youtube video i ignore it and i hit the
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twitch bookmark so that might be part of why it gets buried either way either but but that's
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one of the reasons that we we continue to do it just in case people are relying
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on it yeah um but this is an extreme example of the way that youtube does
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manipulate the way that it uh the way that it propagates new video information
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to someone who is subscribed um
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and it's uh it's one of those things that's frustrating it's one of the reasons that we're we're starting float
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plane and i was just kind of inspired to talk about it for some
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reason i don't remember why anymore but we can we can move on to our next topic
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um all right so i was a little i was actually a
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little disappointed in our in our viewers reaction to the coffee
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lake video um
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like there was an astonishing amount of
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ignorance in some of the comments uh with respect
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to how um how we would have manipulated what
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benchmarks we used like and like the problem is that the arguments just don't
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even make any sense like someone was upset that we didn't
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include the ryzen 7 1800x
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um as though we were trying to conceal AMD's superiority
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and we didn't want AMD to seem like a better value the 1800x is not a very
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good value the best value ryzen 7 is the 1700.
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um this 1800x is what like 200 megahertz
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higher than the 1700x
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why uh how how would that hurt AMD's value prop
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to throw in a processor that costs a hundred dollars more and clock 200
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megahertz higher how how are we hurting AMD's appearance of value by choosing
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one of their chips that is a better value um now one thing that we didn't
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discuss in our video and honestly the funny thing is this like barely even
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came up people are so fixated on um
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you know comparisons that they don't like or and or don't understand or whatever
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else that they didn't even notice this one what we should have discussed was some
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of the differences in platform cost like the fact that a b350 board is cheaper
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than a z370 board um
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but just the number of people that are like when we release a video that's positive
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about Intel they're like wow you guys sure changed your tune so
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fast about being sponsored by them no
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we changed our tune because they released a different product
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that's different than the one we said we didn't like
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it's it's called it's called looking at what's in front of you
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and evaluating it instead of just going in having already
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decided the answer um
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yeah yeah is it like is it as bad as the um
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oh my god they didn't benchmark with uh
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wow why i can't think of the neighbor right now right now future of opengl
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vulcan um yeah hard to say
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hard to say but anyway
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yeah apparently we're doing damage control over Intel forcing customers to
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buy a new motherboard on the same socket i wonder how much Intel paid him for
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this nothing nice so
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the way that that radar 10 out of 10 comments and
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unfortunately i can't get anyone to go on the record about it
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so i can't say who my source is but what happened was Intel designed their
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platform for two generations of cpus the same way they have for the last 10 years
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that's how it went that's how it goes down you cannot like it and that's
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totally cool and i totally get it um but they designed it for two
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generations they did not design it for a
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six core processor and there were physical things that were redesigned
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could Intel have made it work
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off the record i've got indications that they might
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have been able to in fact probably could have
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but would it have been a janky solution that might not have had the reliability
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that Intel is known for in all likelihood yes
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so was this partially a marketing decision
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possibly personally i'm pretty annoyed that a
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z370 for example cannot hold a sky lake or a kaby lake
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chip but i totally understand why Intel
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wouldn't want to put their stellar reputation for reliability on the line
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by allowing you to put a new coffee lake chip in your z270 board without having
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fully validated it and here's another thing you guys have to understand
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just because Intel has a spec and just because like
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it should work doesn't mean that every motherboard
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manufacturer out there built properly to the spec
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it doesn't mean that every skew will work
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and when you're someone like Intel if you say it's going to work
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it is supposed to work yeah and like
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building to spec uh a lot of the times you make product differentiation by
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finding ways to not build to spec you end up making a lot more people mad by
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trying to accommodate them sometimes than you do by just going nope forget it
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it doesn't work because something that you guys are probably missing here you
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look at the motivation you go well it's probably money grubbing so let's look at
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something like Intel optane which they opted
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um which they opted to support on only
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z270 was it if i recall correctly uh
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octane wilson's have been on when that was painful yeah i'm sorry
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um blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
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obtain i'm looking to upgrade upgrades essentially an m.2 i want to know if not
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like i lost my pun tolerance okay i i think it i think it is uh i
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think it is only 200 series
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hold on there's a there's a thing on puget obtain
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yeah okay cool so it's only supported on z270 so the reason for that it's just an
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m.2 stick that's all it is it's an SSD
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using the m.2 standard so feasibly Intel
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could have supported it on z170 and a lot of people might look at this and go
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well their motivation must be money grubbing they just want me to run out
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and buy a new motherboard do you really think anyone at Intel is stupid enough
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to think that anybody's gonna go buy a new motherboard for optane
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if you had enough money to buy a new motherboard you would buy a boot SSD buy
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a dedicated SSD optane is a value solution
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it's not money grubbing if they were money grubbing
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they would shoehorn in the support
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not validate it fully and just let people buy it and if it works it works
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and if it doesn't it doesn't like ubisoft because the reason that they decided not
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to support it on z170 and this is i'm not going to quote my source this was
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kind of off the record i'm actually not even sure if i should be talking about it was that depending on the
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implementation and you got to remember this isn't just
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like enthusiasts you know gaming boards or whatever this is across
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the like dells and acers and lenovos of
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the world the implementation on z170 of
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m.2 might not have been up to snuff and they
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can't rely on these guys to roll out UEFI BIOS updates to build in the
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support because that would be required so it would end up being a very
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confusing message
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if they wanted to sell more units they would want a wider install base of
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supported products duh don't you think
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so anyway i'm not necessarily happy about
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everything they did here but you also have to understand that it's not always
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as simple as like they're bad people and they just want
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your money they do just want your money their business but also understand so
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does AMD so does NVIDIA none of them are your friends
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um right that was gonna bring us really
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well into the whole uh off spec thing why are people getting different coffee
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lake performance results so this was uh inspired by a tweet from jay's two cents
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and was originally posted on the forum by uh oh dang it there's no there's no
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who posted it on the forum thing james
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um was originally posted on the forum by
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oh man oh oh this was just a discussion in our
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own thread okay well fine fine james uh but here's jay's here's jay's tweet yep
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i showed that in twitch too cool so you can see that our number and jay's
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number are pretty close yep but then
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paul's is a chunk down and then kyle's is even further down from that and
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there's a lot of differentiation this is a significant difference like with us
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and jay sitting around the 1 50 range and paul and kyle being in uh four in
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the 1400s and 1200s
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so um one of the theories um and this
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was kyle's chip compared to jay's chip is almost a 300 point difference yep and
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that is it that is a massive huge difference in cinebench
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that's like you know one of your cores isn't working level of difference in
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cinebench so um i can't i can't believe he goes by
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gaben jr on the forum but um
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anyway Anthony from our team uh was talking about how gamers nexus
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had found that their Gigabyte board was giving them less voltage than specified
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and he was wondering if maybe ASUS did the same thing in the opposite direction to
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give us better results so
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it seems like there's a known issue that has to do with the boards not being
29:11
fully tuned for coffee lake yet where the voltages being applied might be
29:16
affecting performance so we actually have a review coming on the MSI vortex
29:20
g25 where our original script um that i
29:24
reviewed with alex a couple of days ago had this comment on how when we stress
29:29
tested it it would run at four point whatever gigahertz turbo for like
29:35
i don't know three seconds and then it would drop to like 3.2
29:39
whoa so we got a new BIOS fixed
29:43
so it looks like this launch might have been a little rushed now
29:47
unfortunately we weren't able to comment on that in our coffee lake review
29:50
because as a general rule we have made a habit
29:55
of using only one particular brand of motherboard for our launch reviews
30:00
because we have found that it means we're less likely to end up with a 1200
30:05
point cinebench score when we were supposed to have 1550. wow interesting
30:09
it's like that's paid off for us so far um
30:13
but uh anyway um Anthony also said that one of his
30:17
hunches is vrm throttling thanks to the lower specified voltages um
30:24
and that could be affecting their CPU scores and it seemed like that would
30:27
make perfect sense for something like what happened with that um with that uh
30:32
pre-built machine yep anyway to be clear it's not like i'm
30:35
crapping on MSI or Gigabyte or asrock or
30:39
ASUS even it's not like they don't make mistakes they do
30:42
they all do um but what it looks like might have happened with this launch is
30:47
that it got it might have been kind of rushed if you're not making mistakes
30:50
you're not trying hard enough yeah you're not go you're not going fast and
30:53
frantically enough yeah type faster
30:57
um so anyway it looks like that has a fair
31:00
bit to do with uh with people's coffee lake results being kind of all over the
31:04
place like even even some of ours were like we
31:08
have some gaming results where coffee lake in spite of its faster clock speed
31:12
and nearly identical architecture and more cash is getting beat by the 7700k
31:17
in gaming and people look this is impossible these numbers are fake news
31:21
it's like okay first of all you guys can't even decide what agenda i'm
31:24
fighting for because if i was on Intel's side
31:27
i sure as heck wouldn't be talking about how the new chip doesn't perform as well
31:32
you're fast and loose just yeah whoever can handle the check faster yeah like
31:35
like boom boom from minute to minute yeah yeah you know what when the mid
31:39
it's friday when the mail delivery arrives
31:42
i could be changing sides like that if your CPU box doesn't have a few hundreds
31:46
in it you ain't getting a good review that's right figure it out um
31:50
actually please don't do that so anyway it looks like it looks like that could
31:54
be to do with something like a Windows scheduling issue
31:58
which was one of the things that affected ryzen 7 performance back when
32:01
it launched i mean am i saying that it's for sure that no
32:06
but 12 threads is more to handle than eight and we already know from the past
32:12
that hyper threading can affect gaming performance negatively
32:17
so that might be one of the reasons that and we didn't get an 8600k i almost want
32:21
to do a separate review of it because they are
32:25
kneecapping the i5 like more every generation yeah
32:30
the 8600k is a significantly slower chip
32:33
unless you overclock it used to be what everyone purchased yeah and Intel has
32:38
gradually tried to move people to i7 they've tried to brand
32:42
the i7 better and apparently that's not enough so they are
32:47
well i bet you that's part of the existence of i9 it's trying to be like i7 isn't the most
32:52
expensive one that's an interesting thought because
32:56
well actually i had never thought about this before either but when you go to the store the shampoo bottle example
33:01
you know the like this is the way to expensive one this is the way too cheap one i'm gonna buy the one
33:06
in the middle or if you take four of them i'm gonna buy the third one
33:10
because it's like more value than really expensive one but i'm still getting a nice premium thing
33:14
maybe that's some of the thought process there
33:20
all right so oh you know what by the way people in the chat still doing the yes
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and no meme that's impressive i know we haven't even done it we should do a
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shirt yeah but now it's going to be too late i know it'll be like a month or two
33:31
until we have the shirt it's our own dead meme yeah i said we should do a
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shirt like the day that thing started dead memes yes and then we didn't um
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all right linusmediagroup.com we haven't updated this in so long it's so old
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our team let's see who's even on here
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minus uh luke yeah we gotta get you uh
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gotta get you removed wow
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hey i don't know i don't make the rules i don't make the rules man that's gonna be really weird
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pella tyler max Anthony alex james
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uh ivan's not on here
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um is Jake on here even oh yeah Jake's on here Jake's on here
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um i'm sure there's someone else we're missing Jake's like sort of an old
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he was before pella yeah
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he once rode from victoria to san francisco i i didn't even uh i didn't
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even know that like dude i also didn't know he had
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never used a Windows computer before he started working here i wish he wasn't
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holy crap but he's physically broken right now oh he'll fix it how's he
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broken right now just like shoulder and knee issues oh bummer probably from
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doing stuff like biking from victoria to san francisco right yeah okay
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in like a really short period of time i don't remember what it is but like he
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like it's it's actually kind of amazing dude's super cool all right so synergy
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i was using my laptop a lot more than i am now yeah and i
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that's a big discount someone in here said dual pc streaming
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works great yeah this would be pretty helpful for it yeah actually that's an
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interesting thought yeah um yeah that's a good that's a good idea one of the
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examples i always use is um
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uh what was it um
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right like coders yeah where you have like a development machine and then you also have like a
39:18
gaming box next to it or whatever else yeah all right uh we got some more topics for
39:23
you guys now so logitech was upset that i called their keycap
39:28
uh markings stickers in the uh what was it the g
39:33
hold on g whatever i i can't keep track of
39:36
logitech's naming scheme it was their wireless mechanical keyboard though
39:40
g6 something
39:43
it was g6 i mean i don't like their naming schemes
39:47
logitech g613
39:50
okay um i can't tell from that g602 is a
39:54
mouse yeah i can't yeah i don't like it
39:59
so i don't know i don't know what to say i like i know
40:03
it's not as cool because g for gaming whatever but i would like it if it was
40:07
like h headphones
40:22
and they have like their hs which is headset
40:26
like hs100s if you go back Corsair started moving away from it though
40:29
they've gone with like void pro yeah like what the heck is that i know
40:33
what it is i know what it is but like if i was a consumer who wasn't super into
40:37
this stuff what is it anyway so they were upset and i told them i would
40:41
address it on the went so because we called them stickers
40:44
and this okay so the key caps are textured
40:48
abs plastic that are printed and treated with a uv coating this is a standard
40:52
process they are not stickers um
40:55
what we were complaining about was that
40:58
dual shot would be better because it's a
41:02
lot more durable and quite frankly
41:07
it can be uv coated all you want and it can be or it can be treated and
41:13
whatever coating helps it is still a sticker
41:18
it's a good sticker
41:22
but it is a thing that is stuck
41:27
on top okay yeah like it's not a sticker it's not a
41:31
sticker so what i want to say is look i'm sorry it was unfair to call it a
41:35
sticker it's not a sticker no but it isn't dual shot and as far as i'm
41:40
concerned a 150 keyboard has dual shot
41:44
keycaps so the wording was a little over inflammatory but the point stays the
41:48
same yes yeah and their defense is that
41:52
if your name is logitech you make a lot of different keyboards for the entire
41:55
world in many different layouts and dual shot keycaps might not be feasible
42:01
across you know some of these more niche layouts and or regions and you'll
42:05
generate complaints if some of them are dual shot and some of them are not
42:10
totally get it still don't care a 150 dollar keyboard should have dual
42:16
shot keycaps and that like that sucks and that's a
42:20
really annoying manufacturing thing and all that kind of stuff and i hear that but i would
42:24
rather spend my 150 on a keyboard where i'm getting dualshock it's 150 us
42:28
dollars a 200 canadian dollar keyboard that's a really expensive keyboard and
42:32
it's wireless or whatever and that's great but i actually don't care it's a
42:36
keyboard i would be i would be pretty not stoked about do you care about
42:40
wireless keyboards um i like our i like uh RGB backlighting on
42:46
my keyboards believe it or not so so no then so no because batteries for now
42:50
yeah yeah yeah um apparently if they had made it
42:54
RGB backlit the battery life would be like a day instead of
42:59
six months or whatever yeah yeah i'm not surprised see like i i just
43:05
having less cables on your desk is nice but one of the easiest things to cable manage on
43:09
your desk is your keyboard yeah especially in terms of permanent cable
43:13
yes and no actually because it goes right into your monitor stand so a lot
43:16
of time you have to like cross actually i'm going to disagree with you there i
43:19
think the keyboard is one of the harder things some monitor stands have cable
43:22
management slots some of them do not all very few that's true yes like monitor
43:28
makers have got to be some of the most oblivious out there when it comes to
43:32
like building functionality into their product yeah so yeah
43:37
but like i guess for my desk it's pretty easy because i have my mixer right there so i
43:42
just pinched those cable runs in between the mixer and the monitor stand and they
43:45
all just hold themselves that makes sense but like a lot of money not everyone will have that have like you
43:49
know legs that come out like this right that can be annoying you might have to like go around the ones i'm thinking of
43:54
their feet are up and they taper down
43:57
like this you can put the cable right in there okay all right so that works there's
44:02
there it's it's not that difficult to manage
44:05
and i would rather like i understand that the battery life is going to be
44:09
huge i would rather just never worry about it
44:12
personally so doc swag posted on the forum the
44:16
pixel 2 and the pixel 2 xl
44:21
and this is a great little spec sheet wow fantastic um
44:26
so basically better camera than before yep um spec wise it's a modern phone yep
44:32
so it's exactly what you would expect pretty much four gigs RAM 64 128 gig
44:37
um storage it's got pretty much the same battery life as the previous picks are
44:42
pretty much the same battery capacity as the previous pixels give or take um dc
44:47
ip3 screens that's pretty cool uh same
44:50
resolutions as before except uh the xl it has a different aspect ratio
45:00
okay no headphone jack is this a deal killer for you
45:04
no really i don't listen to
45:09
how interesting music on my like it's it's not a
45:12
positive i disagree with it i don't like it it
45:16
wouldn't deal kill the phone for me if that makes sense okay
45:21
i don't listen to music on my headphones for my phone that often okay
45:26
um because i know you're a pixel fan yeah
45:29
and it's water resistant now which i know was one of the biggest that's a huge deal i'm missing wondering about
45:34
this i'm hoping they fixed this it's cloth
45:37
oh the uh the the the the ear piece the
45:40
the earpiece grille on the pixel and pixel xl not the pixel 2 and pixel xl2
45:45
is cloth and people go in there and try to clean it and mine's like
45:49
not looking that great because it like absorbs gunk
45:54
over the year-ish that i've used it and you can't clean it because if you try to
45:58
scrape it you'll rip the cloth and there's pictures of people that have
46:01
done it it's so stupid there's a lot of like really weird stupid things that
46:06
were overlooked that will hopefully have been fixed one of them is water resistance uh you've checked out the
46:10
colors yeah like kind of blue just black or clearly white the names are weird um
46:15
i i don't know i i kind of like the panda look
46:19
yeah okay i think it looks alright i i think out of all of the phones the
46:24
pixels are kind of boring
46:28
if that makes sense like they're not sleek and sexy
46:32
they called the design iconic would you agree with that no oh
46:35
well that's not very nice i don't think it's a bad thing necessarily i just
46:39
think it's it's it doesn't stand out it's not iconic it's the like opposite
46:44
of iconic um and there's glass on the back so
46:48
everyone's probably just gonna want to skin it anyways
46:51
so i don't know you know it's funny a lot of people
46:56
a lot of people in the uh in the twitch chat not upset about no three and a half
47:00
mil jack because my okay my thing is yeah they
47:03
have all the adapters the main times that i use headphones on
47:07
my phone is when i'm traveling and it's usually my active noise
47:11
canceling headphones that have a carrying case that have
47:14
their cable in the carrying case sure that i can just have the adapter in yeah
47:18
like it's i i use headphones with my phone so little that it's not a big deal
47:22
okay all the people who are upset are flipping the math out right now oh yeah
47:26
because they are upset okay okay okay i got it i got it like in my car i use
47:31
bluetooth you can buy bluetooth dongles
47:34
where you plug your like headphones or whatever into it and then it interfaces
47:38
with your phone so you can turn your wired headphones into bluetooth
47:41
headphones they're super cheap they're ridiculously cheap they work really well they hold charge
47:46
for a really long time it's it's not that bad
47:51
i don't like it i don't think it's worth it i think it's a bad design move i
47:54
think it's not worth making the phone thinner at all because the phone doesn't need to be
47:59
thinner i think it's very stupid it's not a deal
48:02
breaker for me personally all right let's draw pull it baby
48:06
we got people who want to straw pull okay just everybody stop everybody stop
48:10
talking in the twitch chat so i can and i can totally understand
48:14
why people would be upset straw hole straw pull it straw pull it um so i'm
48:19
like i'm okay i used to carry my headphones loose in my pocket until i
48:22
lost so many ear tips
48:26
and broke a fair number of pairs of headphones and now i use a carrying case
48:30
that has a little pocket in it that i keep my stupid
48:34
lightning adapter which is the same carrying case i carry and now all of my
48:39
head earbuds now i'll put a now i'll put a type c adapter in there too i guess
48:43
yeah along with an extra ear tip and my non-microphone backup cable like
48:50
i'm clearly working around this but it it is a bit of a pain in the butt for me
48:54
because i'll go and i'll like pull them out and i'll be like oh right i'm using that phone
48:59
that's a pretty nice use case i know i know and i think you also use headphones
49:04
with your phone more than most i do every single day yeah every single day
49:08
multiple times a day i use cell phones use case on top of niche yeah all right
49:12
and it's still not game breaking for you right um
49:18
i mean your favorite phone is your iphone isn't it yeah i like the iphone 8 best right now dump
49:24
like it sucks i don't like it i would really prefer there was a jack there i
49:28
do not care about the thickness that you lose by losing the jack but let's talk
49:33
about niche people for a minute here i also
49:37
still have an iphone 6 that i specifically have
49:42
so i can jack in and like
49:47
like okay uh you know that i listen to um shows when i sleep
49:51
so i specifically still own an iphone 6 so that i don't have to have an adapter
49:55
slash i can charge it but didn't you also carry another phone for that
49:59
earlier or was it an ipod or something yeah
50:02
because they're off cycle because this one literally runs all night and the other one runs all day so i charge this
50:06
one in the morning so you carry an old one anyway so i usually would be
50:10
carrying an old phone anyway that's true this is true
50:14
um not not that it moves your point at all
50:17
i'm just saying you would have the phone anyways i would i would um
50:23
so 66 percent of people that they were said that they were mad yep
50:27
and that's not surprising and i know what is surprising though is that 34
50:31
said they weren't mad weren't mad you also did it it wasn't surprising if 66
50:35
said they were mad you didn't ask if it was a deal breaker
50:38
because i would have said mad but it's not a deal breaker but it's not
50:42
a deal breaker i would prefer to lose
50:45
the headphone jack but gain water resistance and no longer have a stupid
50:49
cloth thing there and have front facing speakers which are super cool all right
50:54
and the squeeze thing i don't really care and like a few other things that
50:58
are nice about the phone that i would trade the headphone jack for i think
51:02
it's stupid i would love to have all of those things and a headphone jack
51:05
because that makes way more freaking sense so i am mad um but it's yeah it
51:10
would not deal break the phone for me so
51:13
this is kind of crazy the last the last
51:16
net linked don't don't
51:21
so for now
51:25
it would appear as though the channel that uh
51:29
luke and i both started our youtube careers on yep
51:33
is um
51:37
in limbo in limbo it would be the most the most
51:41
kind word to probably use for it um
51:45
so they haven't uploaded anything since three days ago
51:50
when a video entitled x399 NVMe raid
51:54
support dji local data mode
51:57
no more net linked for now went up
52:02
so most of the ncix tech tips team
52:06
is gone so that's was me at one point and was luke at one
52:10
point and is not those people anymore yeah but was also wheels
52:15
um then uh julia Anthony
52:19
uh riley jack um
52:23
who else am i thinking of here
52:26
riley jack am i am i missing anyone was oh i mean
52:30
uh barrett uh riley's riley's brother was esther was part of the team esther
52:35
was part of the team at some point so of all of those people the people who are
52:39
gone all of them
52:46
there you go yeah that makes sense in in the last episode he did say that he's
52:50
gonna be trying to make videos still
52:53
sometimes um he was saying hopefully one a week but
52:58
was like do not hold me to that so
53:01
we'll see how that comes out so we'll go ahead and like i can maybe address some
53:05
of the some of the comments here um you know
53:10
rip me if LTT would ever go under uh don't worry we're not going anywhere
53:14
we're good man yeah we're like super awesome and good yeah um
53:19
so a lot of people seem to be wondering about
53:22
how this could happen to a channel with lots of subscribers
53:26
and actually like okay viewership yeah like
53:30
you're never gonna do well on like mesh wi-fi or whatever but
53:35
you know look the core stuff netlink is doing 60 100 000 views an episode
53:41
that's not bad um that's that should be sustainable for
53:45
a team of a couple people yeah
53:48
so people are asking like what happened so it
53:52
seems to have a lot more to do with decision business decisions being made
53:55
by the parent company so i'm not going to comment on
54:00
sort of uh see i don't want to comment on anything
54:03
that i'm being told in confidence like i still know people there so i know stuff
54:07
that that like people don't i'll say really
54:11
vague stuff then because i haven't talked to these people sure you can just
54:14
you can just look at ncx and how they're doing right now um they're closing
54:18
stores people have been um
54:22
departed from the youtube channel uh you
54:26
can see different i mean someone works here now that didn't
54:30
before that used to work there um
54:33
yeah the writing's sort of on the wall
54:37
and it seems to be going rather quickly that's all outside perspective haven't
54:41
had conversations with anyone in the company's stuff
54:45
so uh there you go it's an end of an era and i've got to say um
54:49
it's pretty uh it's pretty sad for me actually because
54:53
this was like kind of my baby um well like the store that you worked
54:58
out of and i used to buy all of my sorry
55:01
oh yeah um
55:06
yeah so it's yeah it's it's kind of tough because this is something that like
55:11
i started and put my heart and soul into
55:14
and became like a part of my personal identity like this was what turned me
55:18
into a youtuber yeah and to see it kind
55:22
of go down like this um
55:26
was really uh it's kind of sad actually because it was
55:31
weird at first to no longer be a part of that team
55:35
like the team making the ncx tech tips videos when you and i did it for so long
55:39
yeah and then it's going to be even weirder having that not exist now
55:45
people in twitch chat are saying that we should buy ncix
55:50
yes that would be that would be um that would be a
55:54
wow
55:58
how how how how does this idea fail let me count
56:01
the ways um
56:04
fail so hard buying failing companies is like a sound
56:09
decision yeah yeah buying companies clearly losing money is like good
56:14
business you know people are asking like you know
56:18
ltd's not going anywhere right and it is because we don't make
56:22
decisions like that that
56:26
is doing great just great actually
56:31
um yeah i agree with that you know what though
56:35
i would love to buy the channel someone in chat says hi ed oh
56:39
i'd buy it oh that would be oh that would be weird
56:45
i i would buy some of the people that come with it i'm not going to name any
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names but i wouldn't buy all of them besides no people come with it would you
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rename it and just make it a tech news channel i think we could just call it
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like um we could just call it like nx
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tech tips or something like that we could just like change it a little bit yeah because it would be really weird
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keeping the ncx texture and we could just make it straight tech news yeah um
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just get rid of every format that wasn't net linked because i actually i liked the net
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linked format i would like i would see a net length thumbnail i'm surprised you
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like it but it is good they changed it a lot from what like if you look at the
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early ones they were trash like they changed it a lot they made it
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more youtubey they made it more upbeat um they made it more fun um
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and you know i would see a thumbnail and be like oh yeah what's going on with
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that and i'd click it and like you know four minutes would pass it be like oh i just watched the whole video which
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doesn't happen a lot for me i don't watch a lot of youtube videos like i actually like
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netlinked um so
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soon ed um
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yeah so i would i wouldn't mind bringing back netlink but i'll tell you now that
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my relationship with ncix is
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not at the best it's been in the last 10 years
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and i don't even think for a fair offer they'd be interested in selling to me so
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i could be wrong i mean i could always reach out and be like yo
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you guys still want that channel i mean with how youtube treats
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subscribers and stuff right now it might not be too bad to just start
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another one um i think 1.1 mill has a
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value because you can build up a big subscriber base back to like
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getting notifications faster than you can like build a subscriber base from
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nothing yeah we wouldn't be building subscriber base for nothing though and i would also
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just be like i would be like taking back my baby no i know yeah that
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would be part of i know yeah i think that's probably most of it that's a big part of it yeah okay
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let me just put it that way
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but like i completely understand that if i had to and this i can comment on
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because i haven't really talked to anybody about it but if i had to guess
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rather than you know do something sensible with it
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they're just going to run it into the ground if i had to guess i would say they're
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just going to pull what tiger direct and new egg did before them they're going to
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having no concept
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of what made it good they're gonna bring in some random
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outsiders to
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try to make videos they're gonna have no idea why people
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watch videos they're gonna try to just sell stuff
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and it's gonna be a complete disaster um
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and it's gonna just crater i'm gonna have to like archive some of
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these old videos yeah look at like this do you remember
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doing this oh the uh ultimate water cooling guide part three where we had to
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like build the whole thing then tear the whole thing apart and then like build it
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again whatever that was awful i was like was that an all-night shoot i
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think that was like two online shoes i don't remember because there was part
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one two and three how many views does it have did at least get a lot of views it did really good for that time seven
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hundred and seventy eight thousand not bad yeah all right
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i think we got time for maybe one more topic
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um okay it's the Intel show apparently because i'm
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super super not stoked on this um posted by
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oh doesn't say who on the forum
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but like uh war stm this is just Intel will no
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longer be providing per-core turbo frequencies
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um making motherboard tuning impossible so you won't be able to alter your
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overclocks per core
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so extremetech says when we queried Intel as to why they've decided to no
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longer officially disclose per core turbo frequencies they said we're no
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longer disclosing this level of detail as it is proprietary to Intel Intel only
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specifies processor frequencies for base and single core turbo in our processor
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marketing and technical collateral such as arc and not the multi-core turbo
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frequencies we're aligning communications to be consistent all turbo frequencies are opportunistic
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given their dependency on system configuration and workload bs
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pretty annoying basically what you're doing is you're
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making us go measure it yeah why why are you wasting our time
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this is like this is like apple not disclosing the capacity of their
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batteries that make someone take it apart it's like you're not concealing anything
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you're figured out you're just inconveniencing everybody it's not even
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no reason literally not even reverse engineering it's just trying something
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like it's it's not difficult to figure out i just can't even it's just
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extremely annoying for all of the consumers
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so yeah i guess that's all i really had to say about that i'm
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sort of surprised okay someone is posting salt in the chat i was surprised
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people weren't doing salt tips salt tips but did you see that uh clip
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no i i ate salt and it was a mistake i i
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didn't think it was going to be that bad because i was talking about like people
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being salty about something well there was like one of
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those big ones and i was like oh no no it wasn't like fully open or
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anything but like for a bit i was actually okay and i was gonna just keep
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going with the video and then it like hit me all at once it was pretty pretty bad because there's
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salts that you can eat like if you get like salt mixes and
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stuff you can have like what is the really small one a tablespoon
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yeah a teaspoon teaspoon yeah um i'm not very uh
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up with the whole etiquette thing aim's gone
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okay
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i'd be a lot more sad if this was uh msn
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yeah i was sad when this was msn there you go i like had a dream about
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msn like in the last three days i don't remember
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exactly when but man if it came back suddenly i would
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jump on that train so fast and then they would skypify the crap out of it and i
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would bail out so fast um
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edge is coming to iOS and Android
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cool
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i guess i can use that for like accounts that i don't want to have signed in on
63:15
the other ones i don't know um i just used other browsers for that
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so it's fine and there's going to be another blackberry uh there's a huge thing on
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this that we haven't talked about at all yet oh right on like any platform oh wow
63:29
we're doing it at the very end of the show when no one's watching holy crap we
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suck we're really it's it's funny because uh we're like in the advertising
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business and then when we need to advertise our own things we just suck at
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it i know we're not the greatest marketers um also known as like we often
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just don't market it anyway there's a blackberry phone that's coming oh cool
63:49
um holy crap how have we not talked about
63:53
this flow plane um
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kind of a big deal uh scrapyard wars is up people don't even believe me that
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it's there really yeah okay now hold on i got this i i will show the people like
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we don't have a trailer we had a trailer for the the like
64:08
clean up vlogs we didn't get a trailer for scrapyard wars well we're like we
64:13
had to delay it a bit so we're oh yeah it's a two-week window
64:17
a two-week window uh long story oh long story essentially we have to yeah
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we could still have a trailer yeah but it would be too early
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yeah so no that no that makes sense but we'd have a trailer for a Floatplane uh
64:31
yeah but we're gonna have it um uh it trust me it makes sense sure we
64:37
don't wanna tease something two weeks in advance well we wanted to use it i'll
64:40
take it on full plate no no but um i know i get it yeah we don't want to
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create again more salt than we have to i get it
64:48
but it's there what do we got Techquickie bias lighting as fast as
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possible that's a good thumbnail it's pretty that is actually brilliant behind
64:57
the scenes demolition vlog
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yay oh yeah we demolished our sets so that
65:03
was a thing uh this was a simultaneous release the
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core i7 8700k so you guys have probably seen that
65:11
the ultimate mega workstation got oh i think that was a simultaneous release as
65:14
well because of um a cooler master case sponsorship
65:18
trackball mouse review yeah logitech released a new trackball it's kind of
65:22
neat yeah i wonder how well it's going to sell i have no idea probably not
65:26
particularly amazingly yeah but like i'm sure they're prepared for that like i'm
65:29
sure it'll all be fine scrap yard wars heck yeah
65:34
scrapyard war six part one sponsored by dbrand
65:38
holy crap jay's two cents holy crap dmitry from
65:42
hardware canucks holy crap hold on a second hold on a second i i
65:47
got like a quick spoiler i got a quick spoiler
65:50
uh holy crap you can hardly recognize Linus
65:54
in this outfit how will anyone ever recognize him on
65:59
the street he's going incognito i love the glasses wait for it
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it's coming and he's gone incognito Linus gone um so
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yeah it's 40 42 minutes of scrapyard wars greatness and the episodes are
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rolling out weekly on i think it's either saturdays or sundays so um yeah
66:20
get signed up for flow plane if you guys want to be watching scrapyard wars right
66:24
meow uh handy tech under 100 stuff for your
66:28
stuff oh cool this is another one of those yep we are finally bringing back
66:31
handicaps stuff for your stuff um
66:34
this is a pretty cool product that is actually the size of this entire
66:38
computer that contains a gtx 1080. oh
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yeah that's really small that's a 1080 for
66:45
scale yeah yeah is that it is that the card right this is the 1080 right here
66:50
wow yeah it's pretty cool um
66:53
delitting a thousand dollar CPU is it worth the risk
66:58
what would you put the risk at too hot for t a thousand dollars no no i mean
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like percentage-wise ah hard to say yeah um and last but not
67:08
least the full RGB water cooling system even
67:12
the fittings are RGB this is actually one of the better performing videos like
67:17
of all time oh wow d-litting did really well too yeah um
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this one too what does scroll lock do killed it on techwiki
67:25
or killed it on a Floatplane
67:28
so guys uh joe go join go join the plane go join the club it's
67:33
not going to be called a club anymore no we gotta we gotta get out of the habit we don't don't join the club just get on
67:38
the plane get on the plane just uh get your pilot's license just get on the
67:41
plane man um so head over there it is three bucks
67:45
a month we cannot promise that that pricing will remain
67:49
after the launch um when it goes on to the other side we
67:53
promise that it won't yeah it won't yeah so
67:56
you should probably be on Floatplane before the site launches and we do not
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intend to announce when the site will launch because we're big douches yeah
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we totally could but we won't yep
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so get on there all right guys thanks for tuning in to
68:14
the WAN Show we'll see you again next week same bat time same bat channel
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bye
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okay do you mind um yeah doing that also i haven't even ended the stream yet
68:28
but i gotta go and finish shooting that thing with you okay i'm also gonna try to find a time for us are you still down
68:32
yeah i'm just totally still down okay
68:36
because i that we definitely haven't figured out a time yet oh yeah i'm sure there's i'm
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sure it'll be fine yeah probably like a 7 30 we can squish
68:43
some fast food and then head over there fresh books that works for me yep cool
68:47
synergy bye everyone i'm gonna reset this hung
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out outside of work in like probably like over a year so long
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no no last time was when you came over and we talked in the living room and
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then the time before that was when you came over and we rode out on world's most comfortable
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yeah it was like a year ago yeah
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bye everyone