okay it is when show time again
it has been a very challenging three weeks so i was talking to um
i don't know i was talking to a couple of people about it today because it was such an
astonishing realization for me that i just had to share it with everybody
um in the last three weeks i have spent only six out of 15 days
working on our like daily content wow
five days i was out for tech showdown yep three days i've been basically out for
rog rig reboot yep and then one day i was out for ultrawide festival
so you throw in a few wan shows yeah and i have actually had almost
no time to work on like our normal content
so on the one hand it's great that we're like getting any of it done
so that's cool but on the other hand like i haven't actually gotten to goof around
with tech in so long
like i okay the kinds of projects that i have on the go right now okay i have a a
threadripper uh ihs transplant to do so i want to put
the vanity Linus tech tips one on a working chip nice yeah okay so
yeah it's nice if i can ever do it i want to break out the old chiller oh i
thought you're saying like these are things you're progressing and goes no i'm making no progress i want to go sub
zero i want to do the final office update for the uh for the uh window tv
okay yeah um you know what i should i should bring up
trello i should have a look at all the other like crazy stuff that i'm supposed
to be doing right i don't get to play with that kind of technology anymore but
like um you need to change your handle man but
xiaomi mi mix 2 yeah got to get my review done of that
like look at the screen on this thing it's upside down well yeah wow but look
at that the whole thing whole thing's a screen yeah basically yeah and that's
cool software software is terrible software is terrible um
software needs some work um i don't get to play with that kind of tech but uh
boiler i'm not gonna say your whole handle you need to figure out someone else dude um has been like contributing
to the sales open source which is super cool and some cool things have happened
this week we had that meeting thing which i'm sure didn't help at all with
your being able to work on uh yeah content stuff but Floatplane
Floatplane progress right yeah yeah
hopefully dude if you're out there take the job
come work with us yeah that would be great we uh we need
we need skilled developers
yeah um yeah other cool stuff most insane SSD set up so six 960 pros
running in raid zero nice on Threadripper nice like actually that one
progress is being made because ivan's working on it but anyway the point is i
think the most insane SSD setup is actually when that guy tied together
like 50 of them like six years ago
so i'm just saying i'm just saying like you might have used
newer technology but like you said SSD
setup in general
so like just saying
anyways for news this week we have a bunch of different stuff one ncx tech
tips is like gone it's in limbo that's for sure for
now maybe coming back google announces the
pixel 2 and pixel 2 xl
uh and Intel is renaming their kaby lake
pentiums it's super dumb it's like the dumbest
thing ever yeah and uh oh right we'll roll the
intro now
it's interesting because we have a few pieces of Intel news in here which has
not been super common for a while because i've been AMD but it's like not
good stuff um
you know i actually probably want to talk about that
because yeah actually you know what yeah i do
have some i do have some stuff to say about that are you gonna talk about this by the way um yeah i will okay
um
uh oh yeah yeah sorry max i'll i'll do that for you i totally forgot i remoted
into my computer and then i just didn't do it i tried unlocking your computer
nope my computer uses a real password
yup unlike everything else
um sorry guys hold on a second
okay i just saved a v3 and you're good okay
all right so
you know what why don't we why don't we tackle
let's do the dumb Intel news first and then let's do the dumb cool dumb
reaction to Intel news because like honestly i was pretty um
i was pretty frustrated with the community's reaction to
certain aspects of coffee lake and the launch and our
review of it okay um because i haven't looked into this it was it was
pretty dumb uh so numlock21 posted on the forum the original article here is
from tech powerup and
twitch right now rats hold on
um um um
um
yeah all right
Intel to re-brand pentium
as pentium gold oh
oh oh yes ah yes
wait why okay so it's all part of like
an overarching stupid thing hold on i'm just gonna turn the apertures uh more
but more open a bit one sec what i'm so confused is this only for the hot oh
sorry one second guys this is kind of silly
okay i think we just need it so low power low-power gemini lake socs will bear the
pentium silver brand besides celeron
is there pentium bronze i don't see a pentium bronze
so there's pentium silver and pentium gold so basically as far as i can tell
Intel hired some kind of new like senior vp of branding or
marketing or like product naming or whatever that position
is where you actually make the decision about what to call the product and they
did the unthinkable they managed to make Intel's naming
scheme worse it's impressive you know like to give
them props yeah they found a way because they had the will they had
Intel they were determined Intel hasn't named
for a consumer okay like i'm not talking about you know xeon or itanium
itanium sounds pretty cool the problem with sculptural is that it's
a code name Intel's code names are so good yeah a lot of the time sometimes
they're dumb skull trails that was so cool bone tram oh my god i mean even
stuff like alpine ridge yeah like that's pretty cool be like yeah i want like an
Intel alpine ridge hell yeah that's a Thunderbolt controller by the way it
ended up i mean even Thunderbolt has a cool name but on the CPU side okay so
bad go way back in the day it was like the 286 and the 386 and the 486 and all
that made sense i know there are numbers but people remember that you got your generation and you got your your
instruction set okay x86 pretty straightforward
cool then they got to five and they were like no let's not do 586 let's go
pentium and you know what not bad maybe
part of it is that pentium has basically existed since i've like had a computer
well no actually that's not true we had a uh 386 that we then upgraded to a 40 i
can understand that change though you're going to be wrong slightly less ultra
hardcore yeah you're going you're you're and then you and then you go generations of pentium
okay and then celeron i was like yeah sure okay celeron why not
then came core
what if it was actually how many cores they
had then sure yeah so if if a core two
was a dual core yeah but yeah but then you're like you're
backed into a corner because what are you going to call that what are you going to call the next
generation you would have to call it the core 2 2. do you remember core 2 quad
though yes core 2 duo core 2 quad so you
would have to say i mean you still have to do it you would
have to say yeah i've got an Intel core 2 duo dual
core cp
bad no and then you got these indecipherable
numbers at the end of them and in Intel's defense there is a legend on
their site for how to decipher them yeah but you know many of the numbers like
never ended up getting incremented at all so they might as well have just
not had them and Intel plants out their product road
maps so far in advance like do they really need to leave
you know like a 50 there just in case they
need to use it like they did they never do it
uh so anyway anyway so we've been stuck with core
core i3 core i5 core i7 for a long time and then at least core i9
made sense in the sense that it was a a
continuation of something that's been established over the last 10 years if
you want to show off how ridiculous this is just show our Intel naming videos on
techwiki yeah i think it's got like six million views
like what is uh uh what is core i7
uh videos
yeah hold on here we'll bring this up uh seven million like it keeps on
trucking this one what is a core i3 core i5 and core i7 as
fast as possible seven million freaking views all right what's the core i9
that's got a million since three months ago like people like i clearly understand it a little
better now than they used to but at least core i9 had the advantage of
continuity and sort of people aren't shopping for it as much
it's too expensive and the other issue too though is that they did kind of
screw it up because if core i9 had simply been high-end desktop
yeah then sure but they've got core i7s
and core i5s on the same platform
and oh man 7740 k or x is it an x i can't even remember
but whatever the like the kaby lake chips on x 299
they were super dumb when x 299 launched
now they are like super super mega ultra
dumb because now that coffee lake has launched
7740x you would only be buying one of those if you were just a complete idiot
or you were a professional overclocker looking for like per core records or
something because coffee lake is overclocking pretty well five gigahertz
it looks pretty attainable and not just for like people who are sorting through
trays of cpus so that's pretty cool anyway coming back to pentium so they brought
back the pentium brand um after having gotten rid of it for many years and they
assigned it to their cheapo products and i was kind of like
like that feels a little bit like uh it's kind of sad yeah it's like reusing
what used to be like top of the line like cream of the cream and like going
for like a nostalgia sale to someone who like i guess in the sense it's like it's
if it's competitive with Intel's like old cpus like
you'd have to be running something old enough to be a pentium for it to be an
upgrade right maybe that was the rationale i don't know
um like at least they didn't
at least they didn't pull an AMD where they brought back the fx branding oh for
like a super super mainstream product
because remember guys or maybe not remember like i'm gonna let you know
young people fx used to be a thousand dollars yeah
period you didn't buy an fx for less than a thousand dollars that was it it was it's
cream of the cream and then they brought back fx as like
super ultra mega rebranded
stuff we had sounds cool so it might sell some stuff
yeah exactly so anyway um
back to gold as far as i can tell Intel
brought in some kind of rebranding executive
who renamed all these zeons
according to this bronze silver gold platinum
naming scheme and it makes
no sense at all i'd love to see internal numbers
to see if anything changed when they did that no of course not oh i know but like
i would like to be able to represent my argument with facts and it's so
confusing because again Intel's server products
the product names were a little confusing like uh something like like a
2687w but like you need such specific things
yeah it doesn't really matter if it's confusing you're going to arc them all anyway and if you know what a w is a w
is like a high power workstation chip then you'd know it's not going to have
the same like max core count as the ones that are designed for um like tons of
virtualization or whatever else um and it's gonna have like higher boost clocks
it's probably got a higher TDP like you could kind of piece it together if you were somewhat familiar with the lineup
now like a gold could be a high performance skew that fits in this
socket or that one or like this dual platform one it has to do with like the
raw performance but the features get left behind and so now we're just we're
just like gonna just tack gold onto stuff
like i just it's just frustrating
so the name change comes with a refreshed case badge and a slightly
modified box design and it'll be effective november 2nd
2017. so basically gold which is
i don't want to say always tacky but it's pretty much always tacky
usually tacky unless it's a rank in a competitive video game it's tacky
well now hold on golden black can look
pretty good i mean as like a product naming thing oh oh yeah that no that
like how dead is that like when's the last time anyone did like
bronze silver gold you can use gold tastefully it just has to be used
properly like remember when we were doing the support tiers on the forum
which incidentally are bronze silver and gold we were talking about it i was just
like you know what i just don't have time to think about this let's just do bronze silver and gold
but like but Intel what's your excuse i think
ours is also pretty easy there isn't any confusing like
it doesn't actually follow the features it only follows raw performance like no
there's really not much else you get yeah you
get a different colored badge you get access to a better forum thank you for
your contribution that's ultimately what it is
so not a better form everything happens in the bronze forum spoiler alert yeah
there's a counting to 10 000 thread in the bronze forum and the silver and gold
forums are pretty much cobwebs hey do you guys want to uh do you guys want to
get some really cool insight into the way that youtube does or doesn't deliver
video notifications to subscribers
this is pretty cool so hold on i'm actually going to load up another
another tab here to give you guys some context for this this is pretty cool and
i have some i have some good Intel news in in a moment here but um
here let's go ahead let's bring up some analytics for this bad boy
surprisingly a lot of people said no
about what wanting to see this really there was definitely quite a few
people who said yes as well but okay well whatever it's cool you'll like it
so here's the dashboard for one of our recent releases so you can have a look
at what a video might typically do
in the first hour so
this is our core i7 8700k review um
sitting at 690 000 views and in the first hour it did about 84 000 followed
by 72 000. this is a weird launch time so this dk curve looks a little bit
different than it normally would but it's also not totally atypical yeah
all right so in the last 60 minutes
there goes a fly it did about 3 400 views oh you guys can't see that
whatever that you take my word for it 3 400 views or so okay
so youtube's algorithm is
so i don't use the word smart damn but what
i'll say is it is so aggressive
about targeting content that it
it thinks might be me trying to use my
subscriber base as a way to communicate with the people that
watch Linus tech tips it's so sensitive to that that check
this out the WAN Show and stream announcement video
i specifically uploaded at the same ish time every week with the same title
every week and youtube's algorithm has got this thing crushed to the point
where in the first hour
it is probably gonna do like
let's see we're only doing about a hundred and seven of an hour i think yeah something along
those lines it has only managed to do about 3600 views in the last 20 minutes
or so pretty crazy that's nuts so you see
okay this is an extreme example and this is something where you know what
quite honestly i could name it something else and that would
help more people get notifications for it
but intentionally i'm feeding into the algorithm here allowing the algorithm to
take the people who aren't interested in WAN Show and just not pump them a
notification like i'm okay with that because we just do it because we've
always done it and if it boosts the live viewers a little
bit then like great they know we're live that's cool for the people that do rely
on that notification if we don't put it up some people do miss the lan show
um but what this is this is also a fair amount of this to be clear um yeah i'm
glad max won in the chat said i see the youtube video i ignore it and i hit the
twitch bookmark so that might be part of why it gets buried either way either but but that's
one of the reasons that we we continue to do it just in case people are relying
on it yeah um but this is an extreme example of the way that youtube does
manipulate the way that it uh the way that it propagates new video information
to someone who is subscribed um
and it's uh it's one of those things that's frustrating it's one of the reasons that we're we're starting float
plane and i was just kind of inspired to talk about it for some
reason i don't remember why anymore but we can we can move on to our next topic
um all right so i was a little i was actually a
little disappointed in our in our viewers reaction to the coffee
lake video um
like there was an astonishing amount of
ignorance in some of the comments uh with respect
to how um how we would have manipulated what
benchmarks we used like and like the problem is that the arguments just don't
even make any sense like someone was upset that we didn't
include the ryzen 7 1800x
um as though we were trying to conceal AMD's superiority
and we didn't want AMD to seem like a better value the 1800x is not a very
good value the best value ryzen 7 is the 1700.
um this 1800x is what like 200 megahertz
higher than the 1700x
why uh how how would that hurt AMD's value prop
to throw in a processor that costs a hundred dollars more and clock 200
megahertz higher how how are we hurting AMD's appearance of value by choosing
one of their chips that is a better value um now one thing that we didn't
discuss in our video and honestly the funny thing is this like barely even
came up people are so fixated on um
you know comparisons that they don't like or and or don't understand or whatever
else that they didn't even notice this one what we should have discussed was some
of the differences in platform cost like the fact that a b350 board is cheaper
than a z370 board um
but just the number of people that are like when we release a video that's positive
about Intel they're like wow you guys sure changed your tune so
fast about being sponsored by them no
we changed our tune because they released a different product
that's different than the one we said we didn't like
it's it's called it's called looking at what's in front of you
and evaluating it instead of just going in having already
decided the answer um
yeah yeah is it like is it as bad as the um
oh my god they didn't benchmark with uh
wow why i can't think of the neighbor right now right now future of opengl
vulcan um yeah hard to say
hard to say but anyway
yeah apparently we're doing damage control over Intel forcing customers to
buy a new motherboard on the same socket i wonder how much Intel paid him for
this nothing nice so
the way that that radar 10 out of 10 comments and
unfortunately i can't get anyone to go on the record about it
so i can't say who my source is but what happened was Intel designed their
platform for two generations of cpus the same way they have for the last 10 years
that's how it went that's how it goes down you cannot like it and that's
totally cool and i totally get it um but they designed it for two
generations they did not design it for a
six core processor and there were physical things that were redesigned
could Intel have made it work
off the record i've got indications that they might
have been able to in fact probably could have
but would it have been a janky solution that might not have had the reliability
that Intel is known for in all likelihood yes
so was this partially a marketing decision
possibly personally i'm pretty annoyed that a
z370 for example cannot hold a sky lake or a kaby lake
chip but i totally understand why Intel
wouldn't want to put their stellar reputation for reliability on the line
by allowing you to put a new coffee lake chip in your z270 board without having
fully validated it and here's another thing you guys have to understand
just because Intel has a spec and just because like
it should work doesn't mean that every motherboard
manufacturer out there built properly to the spec
it doesn't mean that every skew will work
and when you're someone like Intel if you say it's going to work
it is supposed to work yeah and like
building to spec uh a lot of the times you make product differentiation by
finding ways to not build to spec you end up making a lot more people mad by
trying to accommodate them sometimes than you do by just going nope forget it
it doesn't work because something that you guys are probably missing here you
look at the motivation you go well it's probably money grubbing so let's look at
something like Intel optane which they opted
um which they opted to support on only
z270 was it if i recall correctly uh
octane wilson's have been on when that was painful yeah i'm sorry
um blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
obtain i'm looking to upgrade upgrades essentially an m.2 i want to know if not
like i lost my pun tolerance okay i i think it i think it is uh i
think it is only 200 series
hold on there's a there's a thing on puget obtain
yeah okay cool so it's only supported on z270 so the reason for that it's just an
m.2 stick that's all it is it's an SSD
using the m.2 standard so feasibly Intel
could have supported it on z170 and a lot of people might look at this and go
well their motivation must be money grubbing they just want me to run out
and buy a new motherboard do you really think anyone at Intel is stupid enough
to think that anybody's gonna go buy a new motherboard for optane
if you had enough money to buy a new motherboard you would buy a boot SSD buy
a dedicated SSD optane is a value solution
it's not money grubbing if they were money grubbing
they would shoehorn in the support
not validate it fully and just let people buy it and if it works it works
and if it doesn't it doesn't like ubisoft because the reason that they decided not
to support it on z170 and this is i'm not going to quote my source this was
kind of off the record i'm actually not even sure if i should be talking about it was that depending on the
implementation and you got to remember this isn't just
like enthusiasts you know gaming boards or whatever this is across
the like dells and acers and lenovos of
the world the implementation on z170 of
m.2 might not have been up to snuff and they
can't rely on these guys to roll out UEFI BIOS updates to build in the
support because that would be required so it would end up being a very
confusing message
if they wanted to sell more units they would want a wider install base of
supported products duh don't you think
so anyway i'm not necessarily happy about
everything they did here but you also have to understand that it's not always
as simple as like they're bad people and they just want
your money they do just want your money their business but also understand so
does AMD so does NVIDIA none of them are your friends
um right that was gonna bring us really
well into the whole uh off spec thing why are people getting different coffee
lake performance results so this was uh inspired by a tweet from jay's two cents
and was originally posted on the forum by uh oh dang it there's no there's no
who posted it on the forum thing james
um was originally posted on the forum by
oh man oh oh this was just a discussion in our
own thread okay well fine fine james uh but here's jay's here's jay's tweet yep
i showed that in twitch too cool so you can see that our number and jay's
number are pretty close yep but then
paul's is a chunk down and then kyle's is even further down from that and
there's a lot of differentiation this is a significant difference like with us
and jay sitting around the 1 50 range and paul and kyle being in uh four in
the 1400s and 1200s
so um one of the theories um and this
was kyle's chip compared to jay's chip is almost a 300 point difference yep and
that is it that is a massive huge difference in cinebench
that's like you know one of your cores isn't working level of difference in
cinebench so um i can't i can't believe he goes by
gaben jr on the forum but um
anyway Anthony from our team uh was talking about how gamers nexus
had found that their Gigabyte board was giving them less voltage than specified
and he was wondering if maybe ASUS did the same thing in the opposite direction to
give us better results so
it seems like there's a known issue that has to do with the boards not being
fully tuned for coffee lake yet where the voltages being applied might be
affecting performance so we actually have a review coming on the MSI vortex
g25 where our original script um that i
reviewed with alex a couple of days ago had this comment on how when we stress
tested it it would run at four point whatever gigahertz turbo for like
i don't know three seconds and then it would drop to like 3.2
whoa so we got a new BIOS fixed
so it looks like this launch might have been a little rushed now
unfortunately we weren't able to comment on that in our coffee lake review
because as a general rule we have made a habit
of using only one particular brand of motherboard for our launch reviews
because we have found that it means we're less likely to end up with a 1200
point cinebench score when we were supposed to have 1550. wow interesting
it's like that's paid off for us so far um
but uh anyway um Anthony also said that one of his
hunches is vrm throttling thanks to the lower specified voltages um
and that could be affecting their CPU scores and it seemed like that would
make perfect sense for something like what happened with that um with that uh
pre-built machine yep anyway to be clear it's not like i'm
crapping on MSI or Gigabyte or asrock or
ASUS even it's not like they don't make mistakes they do
they all do um but what it looks like might have happened with this launch is
that it got it might have been kind of rushed if you're not making mistakes
you're not trying hard enough yeah you're not go you're not going fast and
frantically enough yeah type faster
um so anyway it looks like that has a fair
bit to do with uh with people's coffee lake results being kind of all over the
place like even even some of ours were like we
have some gaming results where coffee lake in spite of its faster clock speed
and nearly identical architecture and more cash is getting beat by the 7700k
in gaming and people look this is impossible these numbers are fake news
it's like okay first of all you guys can't even decide what agenda i'm
fighting for because if i was on Intel's side
i sure as heck wouldn't be talking about how the new chip doesn't perform as well
you're fast and loose just yeah whoever can handle the check faster yeah like
like boom boom from minute to minute yeah yeah you know what when the mid
it's friday when the mail delivery arrives
i could be changing sides like that if your CPU box doesn't have a few hundreds
in it you ain't getting a good review that's right figure it out um
actually please don't do that so anyway it looks like it looks like that could
be to do with something like a Windows scheduling issue
which was one of the things that affected ryzen 7 performance back when
it launched i mean am i saying that it's for sure that no
but 12 threads is more to handle than eight and we already know from the past
that hyper threading can affect gaming performance negatively
so that might be one of the reasons that and we didn't get an 8600k i almost want
to do a separate review of it because they are
kneecapping the i5 like more every generation yeah
the 8600k is a significantly slower chip
unless you overclock it used to be what everyone purchased yeah and Intel has
gradually tried to move people to i7 they've tried to brand
the i7 better and apparently that's not enough so they are
well i bet you that's part of the existence of i9 it's trying to be like i7 isn't the most
expensive one that's an interesting thought because
well actually i had never thought about this before either but when you go to the store the shampoo bottle example
you know the like this is the way to expensive one this is the way too cheap one i'm gonna buy the one
in the middle or if you take four of them i'm gonna buy the third one
because it's like more value than really expensive one but i'm still getting a nice premium thing
maybe that's some of the thought process there
all right so oh you know what by the way people in the chat still doing the yes
and no meme that's impressive i know we haven't even done it we should do a
shirt yeah but now it's going to be too late i know it'll be like a month or two
until we have the shirt it's our own dead meme yeah i said we should do a
shirt like the day that thing started dead memes yes and then we didn't um
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got an ARM that was actually just a monitor ARM and then you get a plate on
it that's a laptop cool yeah and then you over torque the tension and all that
kind of stuff whatever it's fine and then you put the laptop on there so i could go away and use a laptop bring it
home put it on the ARM and then just
mouse and keyboard on my whole setup including the laptop which is super nice
because you can drag and drop files with it you can even move stuff over really
easily you can set up transfers hotkeys to move your mouse and keyboard over
it's it's wonderful so um it works across platforms so it's Linux
mac and Windows and they offer a basic and pro option with one-time payment so
head over to the link in the video description and or right there seamless
dot com slash synergy slash that says minus 31 but i think the one
i'm supposed to give you today is Linus 32 and say 50 on synergy today pretty huge
that's a big discount someone in here said dual pc streaming
works great yeah this would be pretty helpful for it yeah actually that's an
interesting thought yeah um yeah that's a good that's a good idea one of the
examples i always use is um
uh what was it um
right like coders yeah where you have like a development machine and then you also have like a
gaming box next to it or whatever else yeah all right uh we got some more topics for
you guys now so logitech was upset that i called their keycap
uh markings stickers in the uh what was it the g
hold on g whatever i i can't keep track of
logitech's naming scheme it was their wireless mechanical keyboard though
g6 something
it was g6 i mean i don't like their naming schemes
logitech g613
okay um i can't tell from that g602 is a
mouse yeah i can't yeah i don't like it
so i don't know i don't know what to say i like i know
it's not as cool because g for gaming whatever but i would like it if it was
like h headphones
and they have like their hs which is headset
like hs100s if you go back Corsair started moving away from it though
they've gone with like void pro yeah like what the heck is that i know
what it is i know what it is but like if i was a consumer who wasn't super into
this stuff what is it anyway so they were upset and i told them i would
address it on the went so because we called them stickers
and this okay so the key caps are textured
abs plastic that are printed and treated with a uv coating this is a standard
process they are not stickers um
what we were complaining about was that
dual shot would be better because it's a
lot more durable and quite frankly
it can be uv coated all you want and it can be or it can be treated and
whatever coating helps it is still a sticker
it's a good sticker
but it is a thing that is stuck
on top okay yeah like it's not a sticker it's not a
sticker so what i want to say is look i'm sorry it was unfair to call it a
sticker it's not a sticker no but it isn't dual shot and as far as i'm
concerned a 150 keyboard has dual shot
keycaps so the wording was a little over inflammatory but the point stays the
same yes yeah and their defense is that
if your name is logitech you make a lot of different keyboards for the entire
world in many different layouts and dual shot keycaps might not be feasible
across you know some of these more niche layouts and or regions and you'll
generate complaints if some of them are dual shot and some of them are not
totally get it still don't care a 150 dollar keyboard should have dual
shot keycaps and that like that sucks and that's a
really annoying manufacturing thing and all that kind of stuff and i hear that but i would
rather spend my 150 on a keyboard where i'm getting dualshock it's 150 us
dollars a 200 canadian dollar keyboard that's a really expensive keyboard and
it's wireless or whatever and that's great but i actually don't care it's a
keyboard i would be i would be pretty not stoked about do you care about
wireless keyboards um i like our i like uh RGB backlighting on
my keyboards believe it or not so so no then so no because batteries for now
yeah yeah yeah um apparently if they had made it
RGB backlit the battery life would be like a day instead of
six months or whatever yeah yeah i'm not surprised see like i i just
having less cables on your desk is nice but one of the easiest things to cable manage on
your desk is your keyboard yeah especially in terms of permanent cable
yes and no actually because it goes right into your monitor stand so a lot
of time you have to like cross actually i'm going to disagree with you there i
think the keyboard is one of the harder things some monitor stands have cable
management slots some of them do not all very few that's true yes like monitor
makers have got to be some of the most oblivious out there when it comes to
like building functionality into their product yeah so yeah
but like i guess for my desk it's pretty easy because i have my mixer right there so i
just pinched those cable runs in between the mixer and the monitor stand and they
all just hold themselves that makes sense but like a lot of money not everyone will have that have like you
know legs that come out like this right that can be annoying you might have to like go around the ones i'm thinking of
their feet are up and they taper down
like this you can put the cable right in there okay all right so that works there's
there it's it's not that difficult to manage
and i would rather like i understand that the battery life is going to be
huge i would rather just never worry about it
personally so doc swag posted on the forum the
pixel 2 and the pixel 2 xl
and this is a great little spec sheet wow fantastic um
so basically better camera than before yep um spec wise it's a modern phone yep
so it's exactly what you would expect pretty much four gigs RAM 64 128 gig
um storage it's got pretty much the same battery life as the previous picks are
pretty much the same battery capacity as the previous pixels give or take um dc
ip3 screens that's pretty cool uh same
resolutions as before except uh the xl it has a different aspect ratio
okay no headphone jack is this a deal killer for you
no really i don't listen to
how interesting music on my like it's it's not a
positive i disagree with it i don't like it it
wouldn't deal kill the phone for me if that makes sense okay
i don't listen to music on my headphones for my phone that often okay
um because i know you're a pixel fan yeah
and it's water resistant now which i know was one of the biggest that's a huge deal i'm missing wondering about
this i'm hoping they fixed this it's cloth
oh the uh the the the the ear piece the
the earpiece grille on the pixel and pixel xl not the pixel 2 and pixel xl2
is cloth and people go in there and try to clean it and mine's like
not looking that great because it like absorbs gunk
over the year-ish that i've used it and you can't clean it because if you try to
scrape it you'll rip the cloth and there's pictures of people that have
done it it's so stupid there's a lot of like really weird stupid things that
were overlooked that will hopefully have been fixed one of them is water resistance uh you've checked out the
colors yeah like kind of blue just black or clearly white the names are weird um
i i don't know i i kind of like the panda look
yeah okay i think it looks alright i i think out of all of the phones the
pixels are kind of boring
if that makes sense like they're not sleek and sexy
they called the design iconic would you agree with that no oh
well that's not very nice i don't think it's a bad thing necessarily i just
think it's it's it doesn't stand out it's not iconic it's the like opposite
of iconic um and there's glass on the back so
everyone's probably just gonna want to skin it anyways
so i don't know you know it's funny a lot of people
a lot of people in the uh in the twitch chat not upset about no three and a half
mil jack because my okay my thing is yeah they
have all the adapters the main times that i use headphones on
my phone is when i'm traveling and it's usually my active noise
canceling headphones that have a carrying case that have
their cable in the carrying case sure that i can just have the adapter in yeah
like it's i i use headphones with my phone so little that it's not a big deal
okay all the people who are upset are flipping the math out right now oh yeah
because they are upset okay okay okay i got it i got it like in my car i use
bluetooth you can buy bluetooth dongles
where you plug your like headphones or whatever into it and then it interfaces
with your phone so you can turn your wired headphones into bluetooth
headphones they're super cheap they're ridiculously cheap they work really well they hold charge
for a really long time it's it's not that bad
i don't like it i don't think it's worth it i think it's a bad design move i
think it's not worth making the phone thinner at all because the phone doesn't need to be
thinner i think it's very stupid it's not a deal
breaker for me personally all right let's draw pull it baby
we got people who want to straw pull okay just everybody stop everybody stop
talking in the twitch chat so i can and i can totally understand
why people would be upset straw hole straw pull it straw pull it um so i'm
like i'm okay i used to carry my headphones loose in my pocket until i
lost so many ear tips
and broke a fair number of pairs of headphones and now i use a carrying case
that has a little pocket in it that i keep my stupid
lightning adapter which is the same carrying case i carry and now all of my
head earbuds now i'll put a now i'll put a type c adapter in there too i guess
yeah along with an extra ear tip and my non-microphone backup cable like
i'm clearly working around this but it it is a bit of a pain in the butt for me
because i'll go and i'll like pull them out and i'll be like oh right i'm using that phone
that's a pretty nice use case i know i know and i think you also use headphones
with your phone more than most i do every single day yeah every single day
multiple times a day i use cell phones use case on top of niche yeah all right
and it's still not game breaking for you right um
i mean your favorite phone is your iphone isn't it yeah i like the iphone 8 best right now dump
like it sucks i don't like it i would really prefer there was a jack there i
do not care about the thickness that you lose by losing the jack but let's talk
about niche people for a minute here i also
still have an iphone 6 that i specifically have
so i can jack in and like
like okay uh you know that i listen to um shows when i sleep
so i specifically still own an iphone 6 so that i don't have to have an adapter
slash i can charge it but didn't you also carry another phone for that
earlier or was it an ipod or something yeah
because they're off cycle because this one literally runs all night and the other one runs all day so i charge this
one in the morning so you carry an old one anyway so i usually would be
carrying an old phone anyway that's true this is true
um not not that it moves your point at all
i'm just saying you would have the phone anyways i would i would um
so 66 percent of people that they were said that they were mad yep
and that's not surprising and i know what is surprising though is that 34
said they weren't mad weren't mad you also did it it wasn't surprising if 66
said they were mad you didn't ask if it was a deal breaker
because i would have said mad but it's not a deal breaker but it's not
a deal breaker i would prefer to lose
the headphone jack but gain water resistance and no longer have a stupid
cloth thing there and have front facing speakers which are super cool all right
and the squeeze thing i don't really care and like a few other things that
are nice about the phone that i would trade the headphone jack for i think
it's stupid i would love to have all of those things and a headphone jack
because that makes way more freaking sense so i am mad um but it's yeah it
would not deal break the phone for me so
this is kind of crazy the last the last
net linked don't don't
so for now
it would appear as though the channel that uh
luke and i both started our youtube careers on yep
is um
in limbo in limbo it would be the most the most
kind word to probably use for it um
so they haven't uploaded anything since three days ago
when a video entitled x399 NVMe raid
support dji local data mode
no more net linked for now went up
so most of the ncix tech tips team
is gone so that's was me at one point and was luke at one
point and is not those people anymore yeah but was also wheels
um then uh julia Anthony
uh riley jack um
who else am i thinking of here
riley jack am i am i missing anyone was oh i mean
uh barrett uh riley's riley's brother was esther was part of the team esther
was part of the team at some point so of all of those people the people who are
gone all of them
there you go yeah that makes sense in in the last episode he did say that he's
gonna be trying to make videos still
sometimes um he was saying hopefully one a week but
was like do not hold me to that so
we'll see how that comes out so we'll go ahead and like i can maybe address some
of the some of the comments here um you know
rip me if LTT would ever go under uh don't worry we're not going anywhere
we're good man yeah we're like super awesome and good yeah um
so a lot of people seem to be wondering about
how this could happen to a channel with lots of subscribers
and actually like okay viewership yeah like
you're never gonna do well on like mesh wi-fi or whatever but
you know look the core stuff netlink is doing 60 100 000 views an episode
that's not bad um that's that should be sustainable for
a team of a couple people yeah
so people are asking like what happened so it
seems to have a lot more to do with decision business decisions being made
by the parent company so i'm not going to comment on
sort of uh see i don't want to comment on anything
that i'm being told in confidence like i still know people there so i know stuff
that that like people don't i'll say really
vague stuff then because i haven't talked to these people sure you can just
you can just look at ncx and how they're doing right now um they're closing
stores people have been um
departed from the youtube channel uh you
can see different i mean someone works here now that didn't
before that used to work there um
yeah the writing's sort of on the wall
and it seems to be going rather quickly that's all outside perspective haven't
had conversations with anyone in the company's stuff
so uh there you go it's an end of an era and i've got to say um
it's pretty uh it's pretty sad for me actually because
this was like kind of my baby um well like the store that you worked
out of and i used to buy all of my sorry
oh yeah um
yeah so it's yeah it's it's kind of tough because this is something that like
i started and put my heart and soul into
and became like a part of my personal identity like this was what turned me
into a youtuber yeah and to see it kind
of go down like this um
was really uh it's kind of sad actually because it was
weird at first to no longer be a part of that team
like the team making the ncx tech tips videos when you and i did it for so long
yeah and then it's going to be even weirder having that not exist now
people in twitch chat are saying that we should buy ncix
yes that would be that would be um that would be a
wow
how how how how does this idea fail let me count
the ways um
fail so hard buying failing companies is like a sound
decision yeah yeah buying companies clearly losing money is like good
business you know people are asking like you know
ltd's not going anywhere right and it is because we don't make
decisions like that that
is doing great just great actually
um yeah i agree with that you know what though
i would love to buy the channel someone in chat says hi ed oh
i'd buy it oh that would be oh that would be weird
i i would buy some of the people that come with it i'm not going to name any
names but i wouldn't buy all of them besides no people come with it would you
rename it and just make it a tech news channel i think we could just call it
like um we could just call it like nx
tech tips or something like that we could just like change it a little bit yeah because it would be really weird
keeping the ncx texture and we could just make it straight tech news yeah um
just get rid of every format that wasn't net linked because i actually i liked the net
linked format i would like i would see a net length thumbnail i'm surprised you
like it but it is good they changed it a lot from what like if you look at the
early ones they were trash like they changed it a lot they made it
more youtubey they made it more upbeat um they made it more fun um
and you know i would see a thumbnail and be like oh yeah what's going on with
that and i'd click it and like you know four minutes would pass it be like oh i just watched the whole video which
doesn't happen a lot for me i don't watch a lot of youtube videos like i actually like
netlinked um so
soon ed um
yeah so i would i wouldn't mind bringing back netlink but i'll tell you now that
my relationship with ncix is
not at the best it's been in the last 10 years
and i don't even think for a fair offer they'd be interested in selling to me so
i could be wrong i mean i could always reach out and be like yo
you guys still want that channel i mean with how youtube treats
subscribers and stuff right now it might not be too bad to just start
another one um i think 1.1 mill has a
value because you can build up a big subscriber base back to like
getting notifications faster than you can like build a subscriber base from
nothing yeah we wouldn't be building subscriber base for nothing though and i would also
just be like i would be like taking back my baby no i know yeah that
would be part of i know yeah i think that's probably most of it that's a big part of it yeah okay
let me just put it that way
but like i completely understand that if i had to and this i can comment on
because i haven't really talked to anybody about it but if i had to guess
rather than you know do something sensible with it
they're just going to run it into the ground if i had to guess i would say they're
just going to pull what tiger direct and new egg did before them they're going to
having no concept
of what made it good they're gonna bring in some random
outsiders to
try to make videos they're gonna have no idea why people
watch videos they're gonna try to just sell stuff
and it's gonna be a complete disaster um
and it's gonna just crater i'm gonna have to like archive some of
these old videos yeah look at like this do you remember
doing this oh the uh ultimate water cooling guide part three where we had to
like build the whole thing then tear the whole thing apart and then like build it
again whatever that was awful i was like was that an all-night shoot i
think that was like two online shoes i don't remember because there was part
one two and three how many views does it have did at least get a lot of views it did really good for that time seven
hundred and seventy eight thousand not bad yeah all right
i think we got time for maybe one more topic
um okay it's the Intel show apparently because i'm
super super not stoked on this um posted by
oh doesn't say who on the forum
but like uh war stm this is just Intel will no
longer be providing per-core turbo frequencies
um making motherboard tuning impossible so you won't be able to alter your
overclocks per core
so extremetech says when we queried Intel as to why they've decided to no
longer officially disclose per core turbo frequencies they said we're no
longer disclosing this level of detail as it is proprietary to Intel Intel only
specifies processor frequencies for base and single core turbo in our processor
marketing and technical collateral such as arc and not the multi-core turbo
frequencies we're aligning communications to be consistent all turbo frequencies are opportunistic
given their dependency on system configuration and workload bs
pretty annoying basically what you're doing is you're
making us go measure it yeah why why are you wasting our time
this is like this is like apple not disclosing the capacity of their
batteries that make someone take it apart it's like you're not concealing anything
you're figured out you're just inconveniencing everybody it's not even
no reason literally not even reverse engineering it's just trying something
like it's it's not difficult to figure out i just can't even it's just
extremely annoying for all of the consumers
so yeah i guess that's all i really had to say about that i'm
sort of surprised okay someone is posting salt in the chat i was surprised
people weren't doing salt tips salt tips but did you see that uh clip
no i i ate salt and it was a mistake i i
didn't think it was going to be that bad because i was talking about like people
being salty about something well there was like one of
those big ones and i was like oh no no it wasn't like fully open or
anything but like for a bit i was actually okay and i was gonna just keep
going with the video and then it like hit me all at once it was pretty pretty bad because there's
salts that you can eat like if you get like salt mixes and
stuff you can have like what is the really small one a tablespoon
yeah a teaspoon teaspoon yeah um i'm not very uh
up with the whole etiquette thing aim's gone
okay
i'd be a lot more sad if this was uh msn
yeah i was sad when this was msn there you go i like had a dream about
msn like in the last three days i don't remember
exactly when but man if it came back suddenly i would
jump on that train so fast and then they would skypify the crap out of it and i
would bail out so fast um
edge is coming to iOS and Android
cool
i guess i can use that for like accounts that i don't want to have signed in on
the other ones i don't know um i just used other browsers for that
so it's fine and there's going to be another blackberry uh there's a huge thing on
this that we haven't talked about at all yet oh right on like any platform oh wow
we're doing it at the very end of the show when no one's watching holy crap we
suck we're really it's it's funny because uh we're like in the advertising
business and then when we need to advertise our own things we just suck at
it i know we're not the greatest marketers um also known as like we often
just don't market it anyway there's a blackberry phone that's coming oh cool
um holy crap how have we not talked about
this flow plane um
kind of a big deal uh scrapyard wars is up people don't even believe me that
it's there really yeah okay now hold on i got this i i will show the people like
we don't have a trailer we had a trailer for the the like
clean up vlogs we didn't get a trailer for scrapyard wars well we're like we
had to delay it a bit so we're oh yeah it's a two-week window
a two-week window uh long story oh long story essentially we have to yeah
we could still have a trailer yeah but it would be too early
yeah so no that no that makes sense but we'd have a trailer for a Floatplane uh
yeah but we're gonna have it um uh it trust me it makes sense sure we
don't wanna tease something two weeks in advance well we wanted to use it i'll
take it on full plate no no but um i know i get it yeah we don't want to
create again more salt than we have to i get it
but it's there what do we got Techquickie bias lighting as fast as
possible that's a good thumbnail it's pretty that is actually brilliant behind
the scenes demolition vlog
yay oh yeah we demolished our sets so that
was a thing uh this was a simultaneous release the
core i7 8700k so you guys have probably seen that
the ultimate mega workstation got oh i think that was a simultaneous release as
well because of um a cooler master case sponsorship
trackball mouse review yeah logitech released a new trackball it's kind of
neat yeah i wonder how well it's going to sell i have no idea probably not
particularly amazingly yeah but like i'm sure they're prepared for that like i'm
sure it'll all be fine scrap yard wars heck yeah
scrapyard war six part one sponsored by dbrand
holy crap jay's two cents holy crap dmitry from
hardware canucks holy crap hold on a second hold on a second i i
got like a quick spoiler i got a quick spoiler
uh holy crap you can hardly recognize Linus
in this outfit how will anyone ever recognize him on
the street he's going incognito i love the glasses wait for it
it's coming and he's gone incognito Linus gone um so
yeah it's 40 42 minutes of scrapyard wars greatness and the episodes are
rolling out weekly on i think it's either saturdays or sundays so um yeah
get signed up for flow plane if you guys want to be watching scrapyard wars right
meow uh handy tech under 100 stuff for your
stuff oh cool this is another one of those yep we are finally bringing back
handicaps stuff for your stuff um
this is a pretty cool product that is actually the size of this entire
computer that contains a gtx 1080. oh
yeah that's really small that's a 1080 for
scale yeah yeah is that it is that the card right this is the 1080 right here
wow yeah it's pretty cool um
delitting a thousand dollar CPU is it worth the risk
what would you put the risk at too hot for t a thousand dollars no no i mean
like percentage-wise ah hard to say yeah um and last but not
least the full RGB water cooling system even
the fittings are RGB this is actually one of the better performing videos like
of all time oh wow d-litting did really well too yeah um
this one too what does scroll lock do killed it on techwiki
or killed it on a Floatplane
so guys uh joe go join go join the plane go join the club it's
not going to be called a club anymore no we gotta we gotta get out of the habit we don't don't join the club just get on
the plane get on the plane just uh get your pilot's license just get on the
plane man um so head over there it is three bucks
a month we cannot promise that that pricing will remain
after the launch um when it goes on to the other side we
promise that it won't yeah it won't yeah so
you should probably be on Floatplane before the site launches and we do not
intend to announce when the site will launch because we're big douches yeah
we totally could but we won't yep
so get on there all right guys thanks for tuning in to
the WAN Show we'll see you again next week same bat time same bat channel
bye
okay do you mind um yeah doing that also i haven't even ended the stream yet
but i gotta go and finish shooting that thing with you okay i'm also gonna try to find a time for us are you still down
yeah i'm just totally still down okay
because i that we definitely haven't figured out a time yet oh yeah i'm sure there's i'm
sure it'll be fine yeah probably like a 7 30 we can squish
some fast food and then head over there fresh books that works for me yep cool
synergy bye everyone i'm gonna reset this hung
out outside of work in like probably like over a year so long
no no last time was when you came over and we talked in the living room and
then the time before that was when you came over and we rode out on world's most comfortable
yeah it was like a year ago yeah
bye everyone