Did AMD Deceive Consumers w/ Vega Pricing? - - WAN Show August 18, 2017
Linus Tech Tips
·Linus Tech Tips
·2018-05-06
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10,975 words · ~54 min read
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all right it's when show time again and
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you guys may or may not have noticed there's something a little different
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about the show today i know what it is
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i'm screen sharing off a mac i'm using a mac oh no that's it isn't it
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unsubbed i know right um so yeah we've got a couple special
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guests we've got jay's two cents from the youtube channel jay's two cents
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there's pretty much no way you guys don't know who he is and
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then we've got dimitri from hardware canucks who a lot of you will probably
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know who he is as well so we've got a lot of great topics for you guys today
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uh what what are they oh yeah in unexpected news
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AMD's vega graphics cards are more expensive than msrp
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oh my god who saw that coming more vegan news oh wait i've got okay you guys are
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all being sarcastic which is kind of a dick move okay this is not a sarcastic
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show no okay this is uh this is a forthright and clear
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communicative show sentences
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in other news Intel claims that the 8700k will be
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about 11 faster than the 7700k
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cool can we just not say anything if we're going to be not sarcastic you know what
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if you guys aren't going to like you guys aren't going to do the show nicely
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then you could just go actually you know what no i'm just gonna go
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okay okay well after that we have probably
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the intro no show's over this is the end
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this is the end of everything the end of
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we know days
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you are the weakest like goodbye goodbye
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you are where'd you find that at the very bottom
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what what i was looking for it neither of us
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could find it just for that but well for that that was in like one of your main
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compartments neither of us could find it we were both looking for it yeah
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good job nick magic hands magic hands
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oops i clicked the wrong thing uh uh uh
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okay back on the oh oh no terrible everything's terrible what are you doing
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uh hold on hold on i got this uh uh okay
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there and uh sponsors
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what do you have there we go don't worry about it don't worry about the nascar hat there's
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reasons that will be revealed at another time yeah it has nothing to do with scrap yard
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wars or the closed toed shoes yeah
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not that these guys are here also has nothing to do yes nothing right we flew
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in for a WAN Show only okay so actually
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i think that's probably a great topic for us to start with uh guys
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get amped about the upcoming season of scrapyard of course it's probably not
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going to be out for like six weeks to eight weeks
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like i'm talking first episode but it's our christmas present to you
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first on Floatplane and it'll be out first on Floatplane by that
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by that time Floatplane nope let's not go with that Floatplane might not even
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exist anymore for all we know who knows um
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but uh what i will say i'm you know there's gonna be no spoilers on the show
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today you guys but what i will say is a huge thank you to uh jay and dimitri for
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flying all the way up here the pleasure was all ours yes thank you
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for the invite cool i'm uh yeah i was like we had a lot of fun so that's
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that's the only spoiler i'll give you guys is it was a ton of fun
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and uh yeah you know what that's it
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that's it so and now radio silence and don't even bother trying to get anything
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out of these guys because they know the scrapyard wars code yeah say
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something and die i mean
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it's more like um what what is it uh
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a say um things say and a i day
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you know we'll go with the pig latin version of the code
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but yeah i just like that we left it where it sits that's it in a nutshell
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um all right so guys first uh first article
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today this was posted by stay ass on the forum and the original article here how
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do i click a link on a mac what the hell is this yes okay okay
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uh yeah no spoilers okay i just wanna now it works
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don't just don't push it to the first brush oh pressure what why pressure i know
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pressure and then i go i go to i go to use the touch screen to to zoom and it's like no
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you'll have to do ah i want my computer back
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okay anyway anyway um aib partners to gamers nexus this was
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supposed to buy steve burke you know stephen right yeah you know stephen yeah okay
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uh gibbo was right about AMD price changing i like his hair
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AMD basically came out of the gate with vega 56 and vega 64 with and i think you
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guys and your reviews probably agreed vega 64 looks
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okay other than being a couple years late because it's basically an
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overclocked 980 ti and vega 56 looks pretty good it's the
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400 dollar king okay for compute anyway
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okay so now
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it looks like price of vega 64 was supposed to be 500
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but quickly shot to 600 us dollars in the wake of
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immediate inventory selling out so is this actual msrp
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and uh or is this just stores reacting
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i'm going with the latter
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yeah let's see yeah cause we can't really blame them
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for that so this is interesting apparently what does the website say AMD
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provided the top retailers and e-tailers with a 4.99 price on vegas 64 coupling
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sale of the card with a rebate to reduce spend by retailers
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um so basically that's uh like it's usually called like a pos rebate a
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point-of-sale rebate apparently the rebate is already expiring
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hence the price jump by retailers
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oh it was that fast yeah well see this is something that is kind of not public
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knowledge this is more and i'm sure i'm over like the statute
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of limitations for my old job as a
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product manager but it is um
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uh it is pretty tight to be an AMD partner
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i've gotten a lot of feedback in the industry over the years
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being an NVIDIA add-in card partner i think they call
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them aibs and i think AMD calls them aics adding card versus add-in board
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right being an NVIDIA partner versus an AMD
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partner is supposedly a lot better
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now xfx you guys probably remember this yeah yeah uh when did they jump ship
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uh AMD yeah like was it like four thousand six six thousand oh sorry uh
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six thousand series oh no no it was four thousand series i think you're right so
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it was like so that was when AMD looked
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because they were competing against um
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was that the 480 generation or had they just g was out then they just hadn't
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refreshed in forever basically
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they they turned tail on NVIDIA and they went to AMD
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and um my understanding is that it's been
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pretty rough over there is is all i can all i can really say but
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what are your guys's thoughts on the pricing of vega 64 in particular
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it looks like here having effectively been increased
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i think it's only going to be beneficial for those that are using the compute performance honestly not as a gaming
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card right because at that point it makes no sense now you're talking 1080ti
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pricing which dominates it in games
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but at the exact same time not not in terms of making sense but AMD right now
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has a very aggressive very dedicated fan base
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that's true so it might not even matter my my concern with this though was that
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that fan base is usually though attached to the performance per dollar aspect of
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being an AMD fan uh yeah but AMD has put a lot of work
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into making it a rebellious stance instead of just necessarily a
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performance per dollar because they were definitely performance per dollar uh
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like with the 3000 series Intel processors and
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like a couple generations back with like 200 series AMD graphics cards but more
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recently i feel like they've been shifting it i think the bigger question
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you told me right though i think the bigger question here the one that
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affects our audience and the one that affects us as reviewers more
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is this artificial rebate
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that's only valid for i mean the card only launched what a week ago
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so a rebate that they're putting on the card for a week to hit a price
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that isn't sustainable that affects your conclusion about the
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card and yours and it's not like especially as youtubers it's not like we
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can go back and edit our article be like yeah the price
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to performance sucks donkey balls now and not not to flatter ourselves but
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that's where a lot of research is happening right now is youtube
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especially for people that are getting new into computers and might not think
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to check a whole bunch of different sites like written sites that can be
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updated like gamers next this guy we just talked about him he might say in
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his video pricing and stuff is in is on our website i've seen him say that
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before so that they can update it and that's cool but like for something like
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uh like a a 490 feeling changes yeah like a like a budget graphics card where
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they're going like we're the we're the new 499 or 399 king 399 king
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and then if we if our conclusion is check the link in the description for
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price for the most updated pricing on amazon but we say yeah AMD's positioned this
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card really well its performance looks great and the value is great
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if it's a if it's 80 or 100 more expensive i feel like what they've done
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is they've made NVIDIA feel like a more compelling
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deal or budget at that point i mean because 1070 right competes against 56
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and 56 was beating 1070 pretty much across the board but now you increase
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that price why would i want a 56 unless i'm going compute i mean if i can use
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the compute aspect of it then yeah it dominates both of them dominate what
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NVIDIA has to offer but the question is how many of these buyers are actually
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buying them for compute or to be a part of that rebellion nation yeah
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also will this affect any of the bundle stuff that the AMD is
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putting out right yeah it would have to so the bundles would have to go up by a hundred bucks too yeah
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i feel like yeah the bundles would just go up and i don't think anything else would change i don't think the bundles
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are going to get anything the bundles were a terrible idea to begin with i just really don't like being screwed
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around with like this yeah i don't like being manipulated in a way where like
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there's there's a couple things and you know what it's one of those things where i'm not just gonna crap on AMD for this
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like you and i have talked about this offline i think i might have mentioned it to you but i was really really
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displeased when NVIDIA had a separate unboxing embargo
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for the 1080 ti because you know what that is
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that's NVIDIA saying
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max do you need some help over there maybe no
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what are we changing i don't know it looks tilted and i had to fix it okay
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all right focus now i really would have just maybe
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left it also point it towards Linus a little bit more
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that's a bit okay okay let's just let's not touch it anymore okay
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um hey thanks max okay what were we talking about again your time at the
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unboxing right okay so there were a couple things wrong
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with that number one was that paul had already done an unboxing at the event
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and that's nothing against yeah because why not super cool but i think they saw
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the traction that that sort of got and then they came up with the idea of like oh we better reel this in and you know
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put an embargo on this because what they're trying to get because
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that effectively what they're getting when they do a launch event we all
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accept it because it gives us access to talk to the developers of the product
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right in a way that we don't get to on just a lot more helpful than a
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conference call yeah so so we we all accept these events that they
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do because it's also an opportunity to network within the industry most of the
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time i've spent with you guys it has has been events industry events
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but what's really frustrating is that NVIDIA
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controls the narrative at that point because any news story and we have to do
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a news story because everybody else is going to do a new story so that's my
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upload that day that's jay's upload that day that's dimitri's upload that day
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that's other content that might be more meaningful because it's not just
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regurgitating the same information everybody has that isn't going up
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because we're busy traveling for a day yeah spending it at an event and then
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traveling back for another day we just spent one percent of our year
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on this event to make the same piece of content that everybody else is making
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for me personally and they're okay they're nice yeah there can be some value to that
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because people might have different opinions or insights or ideas about how
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something might be used blah blah blah but it's a lot it's a lot to put on one
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item and when you have to do just an unboxing
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it's a it's pretty unlikely that you'll have a lot of unique insights well not even
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that this is kind of off topic a little bit but then it goes as far as starting to
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break down the information like you can get this piece of information we get
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this piece later this piece tomorrow right the pricing issue that happened with 1080 ti which is a huge issue yeah
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so what this looks like to me because NVIDIA is effectively getting marketing
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out of bringing people to this event they're just regurgitating whatever was
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on NVIDIA slides because that's all the information we have so far we don't have
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any benchmarks like how fast is the the
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uber card 10 000 or whatever
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so then there's that date let's say let's say march 1st for the sake of
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argument then march 14th would be the
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review embargo typically or yeah like they ever give us two weeks yeah yeah
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maybe like march 8th would be the review embargo that gives us a week to get back
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home test it formulate our opinions and go okay that thing we talked about a
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week ago here's the real skinny now they're putting this additional day
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a few days later where they're going okay now you can publish your unboxing
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here's the problem with that the unboxing contains no information
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that's new yeah and especially when it's not even retail packaging yeah it's just
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a physical showcase
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it's just a glamour video yeah i think they should be paying for that because
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effectively what they're getting is marketing so when NVIDIA sent us an embargo for an
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unboxing of the 1080 ti i basically sent them back an angry email went this is bs
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you guys are asking for free advertising no
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no NVIDIA no hard no right yeah yeah
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yeah so AMD went and pulled the same thing with threadripper on the CPU side
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and then on the GPU side honestly this feels even worse in some
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way because instead of instead of asking for free marketing what they've done is
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they've manipulated the conclusions of what is supposed to be an independent
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evaluation yeah i mean like you said it's so close to
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the launch date that's i mean our reviews are still not
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even cooled off yet and now that whole the whole budget factor of it is just
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wrong and like i'm sure
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one maybe two guys will make a video about that right yeah but there's only
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enough space for that because honestly most people in the audience won't really
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care they won't care in terms of like oh i'm going to watch all of these videos
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because i'm that interested you know what i mean nope so then it's the the
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roi on making one of those isn't really there for the creators so then they're
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probably not going to make it yep and is the rebate information
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available to to the reviewers until a certain point i didn't know anything
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about no rebate yeah i i didn't know anything about it and i didn't know that
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it was going to be expiring after a week yeah
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if they had been upfront about that then this is a totally different conversation
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and that's and that's not even that it doesn't even mention the fact
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that they only launched with bendel's to begin with anyway yeah really hard to
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find a card by itself the bundles were the only thing you could find all the
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retailers were doing bundles yep and i mean like if we want to keep going on
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about grievances with the rx vega launch um
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you know when did you get your vega 56
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um friday before the lunch yeah so we got
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it friday morning before what was it a monday 6 a.m launch yeah so
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if anyone from AMD's watching i'ma break this down for you
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saturday and sunday are both considered weekends
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and it is fairly typical for people who have a
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life or a family or both
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i don't know if anyone has both or none
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can you have a life and a family okay whatever not the point the point
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the point is that those two days are weekend days which are generally
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considered the days that you spend having a life or having a family right
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so then we have to make the choice right so i have to tell my wife and my kids
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last minute like hey i've got to work all day saturday oh and by the way i'm
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going to be leaving for a whole week right after that you know so i lose a
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whole a whole saturday with them yep and literally that was
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we just added a whole sixth workday to the week just to handle that well you
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could just you could just wait and you could you could just publish so here's
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the thing we had vega 64 like a week before and we had the drivers and
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everything and we were told that vega 56
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was going to be coming was going to be lifted way later like quite a bit later
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so we weren't so we were like we were like yeah everything's fine and then a
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card literally arrived here friday morning
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at 56 and i was like what are we supposed to do with a message asking to prioritize it
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did they for you yeah oh i don't i think we didn't get that until like even later
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in the day yeah i know the message was 56 is coming please please prioritize it
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if you can i got a new driver on the weekend yeah no no you're absolutely right and
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remember guys this is a 6 a.m pacific
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launch time so you have to be done the night before so you actually have to be rendering
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your video by like sunday evening
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because there might be errors there may be things you have to correct the render might not work there might be edits you
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have to make because of a problem taryn's very intimately
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familiar with this yeah so
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well it's kind of like right before the new CPU platform launches too right how many BIOS updates are there like up to
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the day of launch i would be it's really funny people are joking in the twitch
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chat about like youtuber union or something like that
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here is an interesting thought oh i'm directly what if every
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tech guy on youtube got together and said no
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screw your embargo we'll go when we're all ready i've kind
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of started doing that vegas the first actual embargo date i've
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hit in a long time thread didn't hit ryzen three five and seven i didn't hit
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Intel i didn't usually go for like two three days after everybody published two
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three weeks sometimes because i'm tired of the situation like Linus is talking
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about and what you're talking about with last minute drivers and stuff that i just wait for things to kind of settle
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and then i go into it start making a like review embargo alliance
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yeah review embargo alliance because like
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we had to pull in we had to pull in multiple people on a saturday yeah to
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come in basically because the video was completely done
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yeah by the time we had a vega 56 in our hand
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yeah yeah so teren's over there informing us that it was indeed him that
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edited it all too yeah so now he has like that didn't get to go anywhere i've
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just gotten so sick and tired of all the last minute changes and the way it actually changes the whole landscape uh
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that i've just decided like i'm no longer going to abide by the embargo
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dates trying to hit them if i'm late that's fine enough my audience is willing to wait and watch it anyway yeah
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but i'm tired of feeling like i'm just an extension of someone else's marketing team so tell me this
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um oh shoot i completely lost track of what i was going to say there bloody
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hell sorry it's been a long week
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it has something something embargo something embargo union
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yeah something something etc yeah forget
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it i got nothing so uh basically i'm frustrated it's stupid and
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uh i've had enough of this crap
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oh now i'm really frustrated it was like a
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it was like a great discussion thing i was really looking forward to talk about
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something very temporarily while you can try to think about that do you want to
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talk about what the the the premise or the rules were for the scrapyard wars
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yeah go ahead go ahead so for this scrapyard wars the idea was instead of
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starting at the office and working out of the office the entire time like we
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have in the past we had two teams should we see what the teams were yeah
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absolutely that's already public oh okay yeah so oh right that makes
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sense so it's myself and jay and Linus and dimitri and we started out actually
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in the city of vancouver which is about an hour from here and we had a fair
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amount of cash i can say how much but a fair amount of cash but some of that
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cash had to be allocated to food and water
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you had no budget for food you couldn't just buy food normally scrapbook was you
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could buy whatever food you wanted while you're going with your own money um but
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this time to be fair it didn't have to it's just if it's allocated from your
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budget yeah anything you spent anything you need anything you had to come out of
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that budget if you wanted to bike somewhere you'd have to buy or rent a
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bike if you wanted to transit somewhere further out you'd have to get a bus pass
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or a transit pass of some sort or get a cab or whatever
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so yeah it was it was a very interesting setup both teams
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decided to go at it in certain ways that i'm not going to describe because i'm
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worried about going too deeply into it uh but yeah it was very interesting and
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quite a bit different from any other scrapyard worse than being an empty cup
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i'm just laughing all the get jay water comments because i took a drink from an empty cup i was like oh
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i'm trying to make up for all the water that you know we needed yes yeah don't
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spoil it water doesn't spoil
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that's well what no this uh don't say you figured it out
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yeah i never figured out what it was but i had really like just wanted to talk a
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little bit more about um sort of how they're handling it and how it's uh
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we've had to do it before we've had to delay videos we've missed embargoes
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which are fairly important but we've found not the
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most important thing and sometimes it helps if there does happen to be a
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change yeah because then we can talk about the change and that one video will
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pick up traction but it's usually only us or only jay or only dimitri or
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only one type of creator that's making that one delayed video i
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do wonder what the what the the fallout would be not really fallout
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but what would the impact be if suddenly the entire tech scene on youtube just
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said no we're not gonna hit your embargo we all collectively say we'll wait two
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weeks to see where things land because we'd still be in that window of
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AMD pulling this or would they just postpone this i don't know i don't know how they'd
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react because i told them i think you guys should push it
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i think they might i think they might think initially especially something like NVIDIA right they might think that
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there's not gonna be any impact whatsoever but that's that'd be an interesting metric to see how it
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actually plays out i don't think NVIDIA gives two craps what any of us think i
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think you're right to be perfectly honest um it's really funny because like i
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think you take this somewhat too but we we take flack all the time for being in
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NVIDIA's pocket or whatever somewhat i think somewhat yeah yeah no
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we do when show is brought to you by NVIDIA so
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yeah according to the audience anyway so like it's it's one of those things where
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like you know i've butted heads with them a fair number of
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times recently more often than i like go to a nice
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dinner and you know talk shop
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it's been it's been it's been pretty tough lately actually
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all right so let's have a look at uh we didn't get titan xp
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needed today until like now yeah we have one now yeah cause they were like oh
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what you guys don't have one i was like no i asked for one for terry crews and
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they said no seriously what they turned me down until i made that video talk like talking crap
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about titan xp which would have gone out regardless because i think it's a really
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stupid card based on like the way they're locking down the cuda cores and
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yeah they're unlocking it multiple times in the same generation uh but it was after that they're like
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two of them just showed up right right so they they hand delivered
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them yeah i was like they're not even for me i don't even care right they're not for
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me and like this is this is a stupid thing on both the vendor side and the
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audience side do you guys honestly think
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that jay can be bought with a graphics card that doesn't pay my lease
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doesn't pay for my employees my insurance do you need more graphics
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cards jay it's pretty obvious i don't sell them i mean you can see the shop you know
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no i they they do not run my business in fact i started buying more stuff than
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ever now i've noticed that you were talking about buying lots of stuff for
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yourself just it's just easier and it's getting
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right away you don't have to yeah yep and now with your scrap yard work
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experience you can buy more stuff too with someone else's money which is great
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speaking of someone else's money the show today is brought to you by
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cablemod yeah i've got some stuff over there yeah okay
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so cablemod now has
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this have you heard about this yeah oh okay i did a great review that was very
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but there you go you just kind of unfold it and then you don't have to like take
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off the tubing or anything like that you just wrap it around and you end up with
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that nice sleeved look on your aio cooler tubes and matches your cabling
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assuming you went and bought cable mod cabling and
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that's pretty much it they've got little finishing pieces for the end so they
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look nice and tidy and uh what else can i really say about
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it i mean it's a pretty simple idea it just took someone to do it the colors do
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specifically match their cable sleeving so they're perfectly mesh for that so
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they've got lots and lots of different colors you guys can go check them out
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they've also just launched their sleeving kits on amazon so we've got a
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link in the video description for that but basically it's uh hold on a second
26:34
and can i even figure out how to do this on a mac
26:37
holy crap you can't you can't right click it's two finger click copy you have to
26:42
like to finger tap it two finger tap ah it took me a while so i'm not signed in
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so forget it uh the link will be below the video i'll get it
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yeah the reapers the reaper is a bit of a kick that one kind of sucks that's a
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the only thing i don't like is like um the powder like sometimes like you
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breathe the powder yeah but no flavor is really good because they try to they
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yeah no it's not it's not too hot i swear
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i'm cool with hot if it has flavor but yeah hot for the sake of hot noise i'm
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the same way yeah i can deal with a fair amount of spice but it's i only it's not
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even like water helps with the with habanero i'm just thirsty yeah
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all right i'm gonna drop a bomb on you guys uh this was originally posted by
31:42
numlock21 on the forum the original article here is from videocards.com so
31:46
take it with a grain of salt uh Intel claims
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the core i7 8700k will be 11 faster than the 7700k
31:59
and here's what i want to know because this is crazy well it is to be
32:04
fair this is a whole entire one percent higher than i would have guessed this is
32:09
what i want to know who needed Intel to claim this
32:14
to know that this was coming yeah i mean this is literally
32:21
this does this mean about does this mean that they're not
32:24
scared okay so here's the thing so there's two
32:28
things first of all the rumors are also that coffee lake is going to be
32:31
available in six core configurations which would legit be good okay so if
32:37
they're so they're keeping their 10 and adding course if they're 10 faster in
32:40
terms of ipc and they're adding
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50 more cores then i'm looking at this going
32:50
that's a good job thank you for what should have happened two years ago but
32:55
okay yeah fine thank you i mean i'll i still appreciate
33:01
them doing something good even if it was a long time coming
33:06
and should have happened before so the 8700 kids is going to be the six core
33:10
excuse me it's supposed to be six core 12 thread with a single threaded boost
33:14
over the 7700k of about 11 percent yet
33:17
there'll still be an i5 and x299 at that time
33:21
uh yeah cause x299 is not gonna refresh by then so yeah i mean this is this is yet
33:27
another reason i mean you know okay you know my feelings i know your feelings on
33:33
the 7740 and the 7640. those two skus
33:37
make no sense at all and when coffee lake launches
33:41
those skus remember the whole point of the high-end desktop platform is
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supposed to be mucho memory bandwidth mucho pci e-lanes and mucho processing
33:52
cores and moho jerky those chips have
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none of those things they have beefed up power delivery so
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theoretically you can overclock them a little higher they're still dual core they still have the mainstream platform
34:06
number of PCIe lanes and they're still quad core processors and they're pulling significantly more power than their
34:10
mainstream counterparts and now compared to the mainstream platform
34:15
that's coming oh i don't know what it's rumored to be launching what in it
34:19
so it would be three months later if the rumors are true
34:23
it will be two generations behind architecturally two
34:30
and that might only be ten percent per generation or you know eight percent or
34:34
whatever but still two generations times ten percent is not complicated math
34:38
that's twenty percent so if you had a five gigahertz processor let's say
34:41
you're an overclocker it's actually better than that because ten percent on top of ten
34:45
percent that's right so let's say you're you're an overclocker uh you get to five
34:49
gigahertz we're talking about now on this high-end
34:53
platform you would be equivalent to the
34:56
mainstream's performance at what like four gigahertz right
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well that's not good yeah why did i just go spend 350 on a
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motherboard Intel because they're hoping you're gonna just step forward or future compatibility
35:13
with more expensive bigger but why would you still spend you know almost 400 on
35:17
that CPU for getting the i7 that's the thing it's like i get that argument if
35:21
it's like a pentium dual core or something and that's devil's advocate argument as far as i'm concerned right
35:26
like like i've seen that before like pentium anniversary edition where we're
35:30
talking a hundred dollar chip right you buy something to to get running today
35:35
you hope it doesn't drop in value too much you flip because a hundred dollar
35:38
CPU if it drops in value twenty percent we're talking twenty bucks yeah
35:42
right and if you if you've managed to save up your 400 or 500 or whatever you
35:47
need for an eight-core processor by that point then surely the 20 is not that big of a
35:51
deal some time has passed i get that logic but here we're talking about a 300
35:56
plus dollar processor that you're buying as a placeholder
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doesn't make sense do you guys buy a 300 processor as a placeholder in the socket
36:04
i i don't really buy processors as placeholders
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right and we never recommend that no
36:12
do do you guys ever recommend that buy heart buy hardware that isn't what
36:16
you actually need and then like like buy something else later yeah i know i would
36:20
unless you're like crazy like craigslist or use site junkie
36:25
because like you've done this kind of stuff but you're constantly flipping things so you were never planning on
36:29
holding it for more than like possibly even two weeks but even then it doesn't
36:32
matter you're not buying new anyway no yeah exactly so yeah so it's not even
36:37
applicable so like i could see buying a 7740 from some idiot who bought it
36:43
realized that this was really stupid and then it's like oh crap this thing isn't
36:47
worth much i guess i'll just take a bath on it i could buy from that guy yeah and then
36:53
then i do buy myself a few months to save up and i can probably flip it for
36:56
pretty close to what i paid but i wouldn't buy something like that new no
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that's why i threw mine in an htpc just because i was like what else am i going
37:04
to do with this oh i'll take the chip that doesn't make sense and put it in a form factor does it make sense for an
37:08
x299 platform to begin with so that my whole video was based on that
37:13
i just figured we'd put nonsense on top of nonsense
37:16
and then i called it my vr rig on top of that there you go oh
37:20
vr capable vr cable sticker put it on
37:23
we got to get as reviewers we need to get our own vr capable stickers and just
37:26
start putting them on every single it's a watermark on the video channel oh
37:29
perfectly already this video is vr ready yes but it's really not well you could
37:34
technically if you put it in theater mode oh true yeah watch it in vr theater
37:37
yes figured out vr ready this is vr ready
37:42
life is vr ready oh right yeah because you could buy an
37:46
oculus or anything else in life which means that it's vr ready i
37:50
was going with sony vr or whatever it is oh yeah also that
37:56
what yeah okay uh so the original article
38:01
here is from ours technica i've been completely out of the loop this week so
38:07
this isn't that crazy i can kind of explain why uh so apple is
38:12
investing a huge amount uh it says they're going all in but apple has a lot
38:17
of money yeah billion dollars is not all in so not at all um but they're they're
38:22
putting a billion dollar budget to apple shows uh so they're doing like the first
38:26
original series from them was planet of the apps and carpool karaoke and they're
38:30
doing more but this isn't that surprising netflix is going really
38:34
hardcore into original content they're going to be putting these shows on the
38:37
apple music thing so they probably need to rename that but oh well um a lot of
38:44
these big companies that are trying to serve video are going into original
38:47
content because licensing especially from
38:50
like big movies and big shows if you want to have all of them is obscenely
38:56
prohibitively expensive and this is something you and i have discussed um
38:59
apparently there isn't a video streaming platform
39:03
online like a significant one i mean that's
39:07
losing money yeah and you know now that we are really
39:12
digging and sometimes there sometimes they're parts of bigger companies and
39:15
then they don't care that they're not losing money or it's offset by some other aspect of the business exactly
39:19
yeah but the actual video streaming division
39:23
whether we're talking youtube um amazon
39:26
prime video netflix twitch as far as we can tell
39:31
they're all losing money and like hearing from certain people that work at
39:35
some of those companies not all of them but some of those companies we know people that
39:39
i think we know at least someone at pretty much all of them yeah
39:43
which makes moves like disney pulling all of their movies off of netflix to
39:46
have their own streaming service just really make you scratch your head i mean i know disney has disney money to
39:51
spend but still no company wants to bleed money but they all they already have a website and they've already been
39:55
streaming their own video to be fair so they just have to scale up yeah but you
39:59
you could get their stuff in other places now now their video is gonna be
40:02
available only on one source so they're gonna have to probably upscale anyway
40:05
and that way they can control the pricing too they can they can just they
40:08
can control the content that goes around it disney cares about that a lot yeah
40:12
they do and also users already getting familiar with needing to get their hands
40:17
into so many other platforms yeah and you know how we were talking about there's gonna be sites that pop up that
40:21
bring everything together they already exist right oh all right well there's already a thing yeah
40:25
so you just kind of like log in with all your logins there and then it just becomes a single house becomes one
40:29
viewing site yeah so like i got tons of tweets about
40:33
that last time yeah i think they're actually you know what i feel really stupid now because i know samsung had a
40:38
thing built into their smart tvs like a while back that mixes it all together
40:41
for years that actually it's just a browser of the other browsers yeah it
40:45
just goes and finds and it can even browse uh rental services like google
40:48
play oh that's neat you know what's really funny is on the subject of apple
40:52
uh doing their own original programming and like they should probably change the
40:55
name of like itunes now i
40:59
i gave google so much crap about google
41:02
play store back when they did it now
41:06
it totally makes sense yeah yeah play music play games play videos oh
41:13
they actually got that one right yep way to go google
41:17
i just did it way ahead of time when in the moment it didn't make a ton of sense
41:20
it just made a lot more sense in the future they were playing they were playing 3d chess they were doing the
41:25
long game and i was playing with you wow
41:29
that was that was what was going on there i didn't get it i mean that you
41:33
were you were making children at that point in time no not yet okay yeah no
41:38
not yet no uh that was a solo effort oh that's why it was just playing solo
41:42
effort i see yes okay yeah yeah yeah
41:46
still a fun game i'm surprised that with the one billion here
41:54
i put up the green screen picture from earlier and someone did that oh no
41:59
i love how you said that oh no
42:02
show him the other one these guys
42:05
they can't check out at jay's two cents uh actually
42:09
here i can i can pull it up yeah it's pretty it's pretty
42:13
so we we dimitri knight earlier if you guys follow our social media we stood in
42:16
front of their green screen and uh it was you know to give you guys an
42:19
opportunity to key out and play around with green screen pictures there's some good awesome there's some really good
42:23
creative people out there my goodness just go to media oh there it is yeah
42:28
also make sure to to tag some of them might not be appropriate so you might
42:32
not want to scroll live okay there it is well there's there's
42:36
the one we were looking for
42:40
that's your thinking up there jay would your wife approve who is that who is
42:43
that foxy uh foxy foxy babe
42:48
oh what is going on here dang it apple
42:53
what's up that's the sun okay
42:58
oh man that's great
43:01
oh my god that's that is great
43:08
all right see you we know have fun we can have fun
43:12
somehow work all right so here's some potentially big news so
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pcgamer.com reports and i'm just gonna close this ad before i screen share with
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you guys NVIDIA's next-gen volta gaming gpus
43:26
not arriving anytime soon well why would they so this picture right here is
43:30
jensen showing off volta already super duper definitely working
43:35
in the data center which means based on the way that NVIDIA rolls out
43:40
product they launched their big GPU first
43:44
and whatever product that is it used to be GeForce
43:48
now it never is but i'm not bitter and video launches their
43:52
big one first which means they've got the architecture
43:55
down and then they just they just cut they cut and cut and cut and the
43:59
performance goes down according to how much they cut away
44:03
that process usually takes like two to three months per per cut because there
44:07
is an art it's obviously more complicated than just like taking a pair
44:10
of scissors to a you know uh to a v100
44:14
and like taping that to a pcb like
44:17
um so there's r d that is involved with that and you've only got so many engineers at a time it's a resource
44:21
management thing so based on when they showed off
44:26
working like production volta silicon
44:30
it's been a while they could probably be launching a GeForce card now if they
44:34
felt like there's no reason to there's no mark there's there's no competition
44:37
for them to do it and they push back uh their hbm already generations from when
44:42
the original roadmap back in like 2012 was leaked yeah it was maxwell i believe
44:46
was when we were supposed to first see facebook hpm that was super duper but
44:49
they they now look at vega and they're just like why even invest in the manufacturing cost of this when we don't
44:54
have to when our when our traditional architecture is still topping the
44:57
competition and the other thing too is like NVIDIA strategically you've seen it over the
45:01
last five years has moved from try to make the GPU faster faster faster to try
45:06
to build out technology around the GPU
45:09
whether it's stuff that doesn't make a ton of sense to me personally like ansel
45:14
is that that screenshotting thing where you can capture like super
45:17
high resolution still do you guys know anyone that uses that have you used it
45:21
i've used it only in the demo version just to see how
45:24
high resolution you can go if you go like crank up the settings but outside
45:27
of seeing how beautiful you can turn those screenshots for like which are
45:31
three in the other games i've never done if you want like a big
45:35
poster in your on your own i have never used it ever like i'll tell you guys
45:38
this i remember this was a weird experience for me at a lan party this was back when like i went to lan party
45:43
so clearly i like played video games but i wasn't really like i didn't have like
45:47
a guild or like a clan or anything like
45:50
that so being like really into video games was kind of alien to me
45:55
and there were these two people at a land and it's only like a 45-50 person
45:59
land um which like it's big but it's not that big they spent like two hours
46:05
literally it felt like you know uncle
46:08
harold's like vacation pictures one of them was showing the other one an
46:14
album of wow screenshots yeah like this was the time we climbed to the top of
46:19
frickin some mountain and whoever clicked through the thing and like
46:23
whoever clipped through the thing so it was hyjal what i don't know what you're talking
46:26
about so see no this this this this might have been pretty cool okay one
46:30
thing wild screenshots was like a big deal because you'd show boss kills
46:34
and you'd usually have like the time stamp so if you were like world first or
46:38
server first or whatever you could show the boss kill um it could be and if he's
46:42
talking about mike don't hide the kill and this is when you were at
46:46
lan parties so this was probably classic wow correct yeah in classic wow you were
46:51
not allowed to get to mount hyjal so he probably has a similar screenshot set to
46:55
me which is glitching through many walls
46:58
and over many things and it takes like quite a while to get there and you're
47:01
just like screwing the game repeatedly and you get to a part of the game that
47:05
has like blizzard co construction signs
47:08
and there's stuff that never got released that's in there
47:12
like archimonde's like big giant skull leaning up against this tree and stuff
47:16
which was never in the game so it was actually super cool and it was glitchers
47:21
it wasn't necessarily just people that are interested in wow because i was a glitcher back then i broke like every
47:26
single aspect of halo 2. um a friend of mine utah crusher i
47:30
haven't talked to you in many years but this guy named utah crusher and i used
47:34
to play halo 2 together and we were like in the first group of
47:38
people that found the switching from rocket to a sword and flying across the
47:42
entire map glitch if you knew that one i killed hogger you
47:45
would do this thing where the rocket the the rocket you could aim at someone
47:50
and it would show it would show red because you were targeting them right
47:53
do you remember that i never played halo 2 that's an xbox game
47:57
okay whatever man if you if i think it happened in halo 1 too if you aimed over
48:02
top of someone the aimer would turn red
48:06
anyways i don't remember um that long time ago that was like a state and the
48:10
sword if the aimer was red you would lunge towards them and the state was
48:14
shared so if you switched it fast enough and lunged it wouldn't notice
48:19
that it wasn't in that state anymore so it would let you lunge to the person but
48:23
they're super far away because it's the targeting from the rocket launcher so
48:26
you just like and just fly it it was pretty cool we did a lot of other
48:30
stuff too i'm gonna stop that so i'll say this
48:34
many many of the screenshots were just like here's me and this other person in
48:38
a meadow no it was really bad
48:43
so okay anyway back to back to the topic
48:46
um a lot some of the stuff in videos building doesn't make a ton of sense to
48:50
me like ansel um but some of the stuff they're building does make a ton of
48:54
sense um things like uh streaming
48:58
uh better better GPU-based encoding and decoding okay all that kind of stuff
49:02
does make sense to me um so pretty much what they're doing is
49:07
they're kind of going we don't even we don't even
49:10
need to develop a much much faster GPU every
49:15
year we're just going to like put more tech in it to the point where even if
49:19
the rx vega 556
49:23
was the same price as a gtx 1070 NVIDIA's whole thing on their side is
49:27
like we still think you should buy a 1070 anyway because we do release day
49:31
drivers every time oh by the way they're wickle wall
49:35
um and then we've got all this other tech
49:38
we've got shadow play and and all that kind of stuff built into it
49:42
and uh you know AMD's approach is oh
49:45
yeah but like our approach is open and but you look at sometimes but the
49:50
video started opening stuff up too though sometimes open makes sense
49:53
but only if you're actually doing any work yeah cause like look at okay so
49:58
stereoscopic 3d however much of an abortion you may or
50:02
may not think it is NVIDIA did a better job because they
50:06
actually did work on it whereas AMD was just like yeah through izad 3d and
50:10
whatever that other thing was uh you can enable stereoscopic 3d on our
50:15
cards but they were these janky third party did you ever try is 3d it's no i
50:19
didn't it was awesome i never did NVIDIA's 3d stuff either it was awful
50:23
like if you think 3d is bad imagine 3d
50:27
but like there's no oxygen so just to say 3d
50:31
ready or whatever yeah just just to just just to have the checkbox it was super
50:36
bad yeah we did testing for that a long time people are telling me to shut up
50:40
uh they think like three quarters of the chat is dimitri
50:46
in the chat yeah so much of it you talked yeah i mean you
50:51
gave them what they wanted okay here i've got something for dimitri to
50:54
discuss uh this was posted by purina on the forum the original article here is
50:58
from ars technica and this blew my mind
51:03
bing is bigger than you think says microsoft with a quarter of uk searches
51:08
whoa wow so saying a quarter of the searches are
51:12
from uk no no a quarter of the uk's searches
51:18
are using bing 10 in spain nineteen percent
51:22
in france nine percent in uh
51:25
what type of use though is it whatever that is what are they searching
51:29
they're they're just looking to buy to download chrome
51:36
that's probably legit man apparently taiwan is as high as 25
51:41
percent the u.s is 33. yeah
51:45
the u.s is the biggest percentage 16 percent canada but these are just
51:51
what these are views these are just figures being put out by marketing the
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lowest percentage because they may be just using type to
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search which uses bing as your as your
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search result i love how they're saying bing is bigger than you think and then
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there's literally multiple single-digit percentages
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yeah that is bigger than i think to be fair yeah but like damn guys i i
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honestly think like dimitri said that's just because they're searching for another browser to download
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33 of all traffic in the usa is not searching for another browser to
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download like i'm not even just trying to be devil's advocate that's not
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there's no way so if they're using cortana yeah cortana uses bing so
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anytime you type that in click enter it
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uh so that's just a that's just a falsified not really falsified but it's
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it's skewed in that making it look like but i'm not going to being i don't use
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cortana to begin with but if i do a search or something down here i'm not
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searching bing i'm just searching here usually for something on my system but
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yeah but that doesn't work that way most of the time it just gives you driver
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download from from online but it searches for the
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internet as well simultaneously when you search for something local so that
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really a good representation of being usage yeah that and i accidentally use
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bing a lot accidentally yeah so you contribute to that how many thirteen
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percent sixteen percent canada so i'll like i'll launch edge because i
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haven't bothered to install another browser yet and i'll search for something i'll be like oh crap
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and then i'll have to sir someone in chat just said alexa uses
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bing and alexa's huge in the states
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oh okay that would maybe make sense why it's 33 there because apparently
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globally it's about nine percent
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ouch and then 33 percent in the usa that's
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huge
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even like hong kong
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that can't be right i'm pretty sure that's not right bing is for porn apparently
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what yeah so a certain a certain friend of
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ours in seattle would say that like i guess the algorithm for that is way
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better oh a certain friend of ours in seattle
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yeah well i'm not getting involved in that
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thanks for tuning in to you guys um thanks again to jay and dimitri not
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only for being here for scrapyard wars but also for being here on the show so
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you can find jay over at uh i mean i know the answer is two cents
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with a z not to be confused with the rapper yeah
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and uh us at hardware conducts
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yeah i'm just i'm leaving it because it's funny oh i'll do it there we go
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oh we should have done a special intro with like you guys like on planes coming
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here that would have been real
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i cool share some footage they're like biplanes little scarves and goggles do you do
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like a box
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yeah are you putting that on your channel yeah if you want to see a travel vlog go
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to dimitri's channel hardware connections
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it's not my personal jam oh no no i'm collecting stuff still oh yeah that'll
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be good though it'll be good