all right it's when show time again and
you guys may or may not have noticed there's something a little different
about the show today i know what it is
i'm screen sharing off a mac i'm using a mac oh no that's it isn't it
unsubbed i know right um so yeah we've got a couple special
guests we've got jay's two cents from the youtube channel jay's two cents
there's pretty much no way you guys don't know who he is and
then we've got dimitri from hardware canucks who a lot of you will probably
know who he is as well so we've got a lot of great topics for you guys today
uh what what are they oh yeah in unexpected news
AMD's vega graphics cards are more expensive than msrp
oh my god who saw that coming more vegan news oh wait i've got okay you guys are
all being sarcastic which is kind of a dick move okay this is not a sarcastic
show no okay this is uh this is a forthright and clear
communicative show sentences
in other news Intel claims that the 8700k will be
about 11 faster than the 7700k
cool can we just not say anything if we're going to be not sarcastic you know what
if you guys aren't going to like you guys aren't going to do the show nicely
then you could just go actually you know what no i'm just gonna go
okay okay well after that we have probably
the intro no show's over this is the end
this is the end of everything the end of
we know days
you are the weakest like goodbye goodbye
you are where'd you find that at the very bottom
what what i was looking for it neither of us
could find it just for that but well for that that was in like one of your main
compartments neither of us could find it we were both looking for it yeah
good job nick magic hands magic hands
oops i clicked the wrong thing uh uh uh
okay back on the oh oh no terrible everything's terrible what are you doing
uh hold on hold on i got this uh uh okay
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reasons that will be revealed at another time yeah it has nothing to do with scrap yard
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not that these guys are here also has nothing to do yes nothing right we flew
in for a WAN Show only okay so actually
i think that's probably a great topic for us to start with uh guys
get amped about the upcoming season of scrapyard of course it's probably not
going to be out for like six weeks to eight weeks
like i'm talking first episode but it's our christmas present to you
first on Floatplane and it'll be out first on Floatplane by that
by that time Floatplane nope let's not go with that Floatplane might not even
exist anymore for all we know who knows um
but uh what i will say i'm you know there's gonna be no spoilers on the show
today you guys but what i will say is a huge thank you to uh jay and dimitri for
flying all the way up here the pleasure was all ours yes thank you
for the invite cool i'm uh yeah i was like we had a lot of fun so that's
that's the only spoiler i'll give you guys is it was a ton of fun
and uh yeah you know what that's it
that's it so and now radio silence and don't even bother trying to get anything
out of these guys because they know the scrapyard wars code yeah say
something and die i mean
it's more like um what what is it uh
a say um things say and a i day
you know we'll go with the pig latin version of the code
but yeah i just like that we left it where it sits that's it in a nutshell
um all right so guys first uh first article
today this was posted by stay ass on the forum and the original article here how
do i click a link on a mac what the hell is this yes okay okay
uh yeah no spoilers okay i just wanna now it works
don't just don't push it to the first brush oh pressure what why pressure i know
pressure and then i go i go to i go to use the touch screen to to zoom and it's like no
you'll have to do ah i want my computer back
okay anyway anyway um aib partners to gamers nexus this was
supposed to buy steve burke you know stephen right yeah you know stephen yeah okay
uh gibbo was right about AMD price changing i like his hair
AMD basically came out of the gate with vega 56 and vega 64 with and i think you
guys and your reviews probably agreed vega 64 looks
okay other than being a couple years late because it's basically an
overclocked 980 ti and vega 56 looks pretty good it's the
400 dollar king okay for compute anyway
okay so now
it looks like price of vega 64 was supposed to be 500
but quickly shot to 600 us dollars in the wake of
immediate inventory selling out so is this actual msrp
and uh or is this just stores reacting
i'm going with the latter
yeah let's see yeah cause we can't really blame them
for that so this is interesting apparently what does the website say AMD
provided the top retailers and e-tailers with a 4.99 price on vegas 64 coupling
sale of the card with a rebate to reduce spend by retailers
um so basically that's uh like it's usually called like a pos rebate a
point-of-sale rebate apparently the rebate is already expiring
hence the price jump by retailers
oh it was that fast yeah well see this is something that is kind of not public
knowledge this is more and i'm sure i'm over like the statute
of limitations for my old job as a
product manager but it is um
uh it is pretty tight to be an AMD partner
i've gotten a lot of feedback in the industry over the years
being an NVIDIA add-in card partner i think they call
them aibs and i think AMD calls them aics adding card versus add-in board
right being an NVIDIA partner versus an AMD
partner is supposedly a lot better
now xfx you guys probably remember this yeah yeah uh when did they jump ship
uh AMD yeah like was it like four thousand six six thousand oh sorry uh
six thousand series oh no no it was four thousand series i think you're right so
it was like so that was when AMD looked
because they were competing against um
was that the 480 generation or had they just g was out then they just hadn't
refreshed in forever basically
they they turned tail on NVIDIA and they went to AMD
and um my understanding is that it's been
pretty rough over there is is all i can all i can really say but
what are your guys's thoughts on the pricing of vega 64 in particular
it looks like here having effectively been increased
i think it's only going to be beneficial for those that are using the compute performance honestly not as a gaming
card right because at that point it makes no sense now you're talking 1080ti
pricing which dominates it in games
but at the exact same time not not in terms of making sense but AMD right now
has a very aggressive very dedicated fan base
that's true so it might not even matter my my concern with this though was that
that fan base is usually though attached to the performance per dollar aspect of
being an AMD fan uh yeah but AMD has put a lot of work
into making it a rebellious stance instead of just necessarily a
performance per dollar because they were definitely performance per dollar uh
like with the 3000 series Intel processors and
like a couple generations back with like 200 series AMD graphics cards but more
recently i feel like they've been shifting it i think the bigger question
you told me right though i think the bigger question here the one that
affects our audience and the one that affects us as reviewers more
is this artificial rebate
that's only valid for i mean the card only launched what a week ago
so a rebate that they're putting on the card for a week to hit a price
that isn't sustainable that affects your conclusion about the
card and yours and it's not like especially as youtubers it's not like we
can go back and edit our article be like yeah the price
to performance sucks donkey balls now and not not to flatter ourselves but
that's where a lot of research is happening right now is youtube
especially for people that are getting new into computers and might not think
to check a whole bunch of different sites like written sites that can be
updated like gamers next this guy we just talked about him he might say in
his video pricing and stuff is in is on our website i've seen him say that
before so that they can update it and that's cool but like for something like
uh like a a 490 feeling changes yeah like a like a budget graphics card where
they're going like we're the we're the new 499 or 399 king 399 king
and then if we if our conclusion is check the link in the description for
price for the most updated pricing on amazon but we say yeah AMD's positioned this
card really well its performance looks great and the value is great
if it's a if it's 80 or 100 more expensive i feel like what they've done
is they've made NVIDIA feel like a more compelling
deal or budget at that point i mean because 1070 right competes against 56
and 56 was beating 1070 pretty much across the board but now you increase
that price why would i want a 56 unless i'm going compute i mean if i can use
the compute aspect of it then yeah it dominates both of them dominate what
NVIDIA has to offer but the question is how many of these buyers are actually
buying them for compute or to be a part of that rebellion nation yeah
also will this affect any of the bundle stuff that the AMD is
putting out right yeah it would have to so the bundles would have to go up by a hundred bucks too yeah
i feel like yeah the bundles would just go up and i don't think anything else would change i don't think the bundles
are going to get anything the bundles were a terrible idea to begin with i just really don't like being screwed
around with like this yeah i don't like being manipulated in a way where like
there's there's a couple things and you know what it's one of those things where i'm not just gonna crap on AMD for this
like you and i have talked about this offline i think i might have mentioned it to you but i was really really
displeased when NVIDIA had a separate unboxing embargo
for the 1080 ti because you know what that is
that's NVIDIA saying
max do you need some help over there maybe no
what are we changing i don't know it looks tilted and i had to fix it okay
all right focus now i really would have just maybe
left it also point it towards Linus a little bit more
that's a bit okay okay let's just let's not touch it anymore okay
um hey thanks max okay what were we talking about again your time at the
unboxing right okay so there were a couple things wrong
with that number one was that paul had already done an unboxing at the event
and that's nothing against yeah because why not super cool but i think they saw
the traction that that sort of got and then they came up with the idea of like oh we better reel this in and you know
put an embargo on this because what they're trying to get because
that effectively what they're getting when they do a launch event we all
accept it because it gives us access to talk to the developers of the product
right in a way that we don't get to on just a lot more helpful than a
conference call yeah so so we we all accept these events that they
do because it's also an opportunity to network within the industry most of the
time i've spent with you guys it has has been events industry events
but what's really frustrating is that NVIDIA
controls the narrative at that point because any news story and we have to do
a news story because everybody else is going to do a new story so that's my
upload that day that's jay's upload that day that's dimitri's upload that day
that's other content that might be more meaningful because it's not just
regurgitating the same information everybody has that isn't going up
because we're busy traveling for a day yeah spending it at an event and then
traveling back for another day we just spent one percent of our year
on this event to make the same piece of content that everybody else is making
for me personally and they're okay they're nice yeah there can be some value to that
because people might have different opinions or insights or ideas about how
something might be used blah blah blah but it's a lot it's a lot to put on one
item and when you have to do just an unboxing
it's a it's pretty unlikely that you'll have a lot of unique insights well not even
that this is kind of off topic a little bit but then it goes as far as starting to
break down the information like you can get this piece of information we get
this piece later this piece tomorrow right the pricing issue that happened with 1080 ti which is a huge issue yeah
so what this looks like to me because NVIDIA is effectively getting marketing
out of bringing people to this event they're just regurgitating whatever was
on NVIDIA slides because that's all the information we have so far we don't have
any benchmarks like how fast is the the
uber card 10 000 or whatever
so then there's that date let's say let's say march 1st for the sake of
argument then march 14th would be the
review embargo typically or yeah like they ever give us two weeks yeah yeah
maybe like march 8th would be the review embargo that gives us a week to get back
home test it formulate our opinions and go okay that thing we talked about a
week ago here's the real skinny now they're putting this additional day
a few days later where they're going okay now you can publish your unboxing
here's the problem with that the unboxing contains no information
that's new yeah and especially when it's not even retail packaging yeah it's just
a physical showcase
it's just a glamour video yeah i think they should be paying for that because
effectively what they're getting is marketing so when NVIDIA sent us an embargo for an
unboxing of the 1080 ti i basically sent them back an angry email went this is bs
you guys are asking for free advertising no
no NVIDIA no hard no right yeah yeah
yeah so AMD went and pulled the same thing with threadripper on the CPU side
and then on the GPU side honestly this feels even worse in some
way because instead of instead of asking for free marketing what they've done is
they've manipulated the conclusions of what is supposed to be an independent
evaluation yeah i mean like you said it's so close to
the launch date that's i mean our reviews are still not
even cooled off yet and now that whole the whole budget factor of it is just
wrong and like i'm sure
one maybe two guys will make a video about that right yeah but there's only
enough space for that because honestly most people in the audience won't really
care they won't care in terms of like oh i'm going to watch all of these videos
because i'm that interested you know what i mean nope so then it's the the
roi on making one of those isn't really there for the creators so then they're
probably not going to make it yep and is the rebate information
available to to the reviewers until a certain point i didn't know anything
about no rebate yeah i i didn't know anything about it and i didn't know that
it was going to be expiring after a week yeah
if they had been upfront about that then this is a totally different conversation
and that's and that's not even that it doesn't even mention the fact
that they only launched with bendel's to begin with anyway yeah really hard to
find a card by itself the bundles were the only thing you could find all the
retailers were doing bundles yep and i mean like if we want to keep going on
about grievances with the rx vega launch um
you know when did you get your vega 56
um friday before the lunch yeah so we got
it friday morning before what was it a monday 6 a.m launch yeah so
if anyone from AMD's watching i'ma break this down for you
saturday and sunday are both considered weekends
and it is fairly typical for people who have a
life or a family or both
i don't know if anyone has both or none
can you have a life and a family okay whatever not the point the point
the point is that those two days are weekend days which are generally
considered the days that you spend having a life or having a family right
so then we have to make the choice right so i have to tell my wife and my kids
last minute like hey i've got to work all day saturday oh and by the way i'm
going to be leaving for a whole week right after that you know so i lose a
whole a whole saturday with them yep and literally that was
we just added a whole sixth workday to the week just to handle that well you
could just you could just wait and you could you could just publish so here's
the thing we had vega 64 like a week before and we had the drivers and
everything and we were told that vega 56
was going to be coming was going to be lifted way later like quite a bit later
so we weren't so we were like we were like yeah everything's fine and then a
card literally arrived here friday morning
at 56 and i was like what are we supposed to do with a message asking to prioritize it
did they for you yeah oh i don't i think we didn't get that until like even later
in the day yeah i know the message was 56 is coming please please prioritize it
if you can i got a new driver on the weekend yeah no no you're absolutely right and
remember guys this is a 6 a.m pacific
launch time so you have to be done the night before so you actually have to be rendering
your video by like sunday evening
because there might be errors there may be things you have to correct the render might not work there might be edits you
have to make because of a problem taryn's very intimately
familiar with this yeah so
well it's kind of like right before the new CPU platform launches too right how many BIOS updates are there like up to
the day of launch i would be it's really funny people are joking in the twitch
chat about like youtuber union or something like that
here is an interesting thought oh i'm directly what if every
tech guy on youtube got together and said no
screw your embargo we'll go when we're all ready i've kind
of started doing that vegas the first actual embargo date i've
hit in a long time thread didn't hit ryzen three five and seven i didn't hit
Intel i didn't usually go for like two three days after everybody published two
three weeks sometimes because i'm tired of the situation like Linus is talking
about and what you're talking about with last minute drivers and stuff that i just wait for things to kind of settle
and then i go into it start making a like review embargo alliance
yeah review embargo alliance because like
we had to pull in we had to pull in multiple people on a saturday yeah to
come in basically because the video was completely done
yeah by the time we had a vega 56 in our hand
yeah yeah so teren's over there informing us that it was indeed him that
edited it all too yeah so now he has like that didn't get to go anywhere i've
just gotten so sick and tired of all the last minute changes and the way it actually changes the whole landscape uh
that i've just decided like i'm no longer going to abide by the embargo
dates trying to hit them if i'm late that's fine enough my audience is willing to wait and watch it anyway yeah
but i'm tired of feeling like i'm just an extension of someone else's marketing team so tell me this
um oh shoot i completely lost track of what i was going to say there bloody
hell sorry it's been a long week
it has something something embargo something embargo union
yeah something something etc yeah forget
it i got nothing so uh basically i'm frustrated it's stupid and
uh i've had enough of this crap
oh now i'm really frustrated it was like a
it was like a great discussion thing i was really looking forward to talk about
something very temporarily while you can try to think about that do you want to
talk about what the the the premise or the rules were for the scrapyard wars
yeah go ahead go ahead so for this scrapyard wars the idea was instead of
starting at the office and working out of the office the entire time like we
have in the past we had two teams should we see what the teams were yeah
absolutely that's already public oh okay yeah so oh right that makes
sense so it's myself and jay and Linus and dimitri and we started out actually
in the city of vancouver which is about an hour from here and we had a fair
amount of cash i can say how much but a fair amount of cash but some of that
cash had to be allocated to food and water
you had no budget for food you couldn't just buy food normally scrapbook was you
could buy whatever food you wanted while you're going with your own money um but
this time to be fair it didn't have to it's just if it's allocated from your
budget yeah anything you spent anything you need anything you had to come out of
that budget if you wanted to bike somewhere you'd have to buy or rent a
bike if you wanted to transit somewhere further out you'd have to get a bus pass
or a transit pass of some sort or get a cab or whatever
so yeah it was it was a very interesting setup both teams
decided to go at it in certain ways that i'm not going to describe because i'm
worried about going too deeply into it uh but yeah it was very interesting and
quite a bit different from any other scrapyard worse than being an empty cup
i'm just laughing all the get jay water comments because i took a drink from an empty cup i was like oh
i'm trying to make up for all the water that you know we needed yes yeah don't
spoil it water doesn't spoil
that's well what no this uh don't say you figured it out
yeah i never figured out what it was but i had really like just wanted to talk a
little bit more about um sort of how they're handling it and how it's uh
we've had to do it before we've had to delay videos we've missed embargoes
which are fairly important but we've found not the
most important thing and sometimes it helps if there does happen to be a
change yeah because then we can talk about the change and that one video will
pick up traction but it's usually only us or only jay or only dimitri or
only one type of creator that's making that one delayed video i
do wonder what the what the the fallout would be not really fallout
but what would the impact be if suddenly the entire tech scene on youtube just
said no we're not gonna hit your embargo we all collectively say we'll wait two
weeks to see where things land because we'd still be in that window of
AMD pulling this or would they just postpone this i don't know i don't know how they'd
react because i told them i think you guys should push it
i think they might i think they might think initially especially something like NVIDIA right they might think that
there's not gonna be any impact whatsoever but that's that'd be an interesting metric to see how it
actually plays out i don't think NVIDIA gives two craps what any of us think i
think you're right to be perfectly honest um it's really funny because like i
think you take this somewhat too but we we take flack all the time for being in
NVIDIA's pocket or whatever somewhat i think somewhat yeah yeah no
we do when show is brought to you by NVIDIA so
yeah according to the audience anyway so like it's it's one of those things where
like you know i've butted heads with them a fair number of
times recently more often than i like go to a nice
dinner and you know talk shop
it's been it's been it's been pretty tough lately actually
all right so let's have a look at uh we didn't get titan xp
needed today until like now yeah we have one now yeah cause they were like oh
what you guys don't have one i was like no i asked for one for terry crews and
they said no seriously what they turned me down until i made that video talk like talking crap
about titan xp which would have gone out regardless because i think it's a really
stupid card based on like the way they're locking down the cuda cores and
yeah they're unlocking it multiple times in the same generation uh but it was after that they're like
two of them just showed up right right so they they hand delivered
them yeah i was like they're not even for me i don't even care right they're not for
me and like this is this is a stupid thing on both the vendor side and the
audience side do you guys honestly think
that jay can be bought with a graphics card that doesn't pay my lease
doesn't pay for my employees my insurance do you need more graphics
cards jay it's pretty obvious i don't sell them i mean you can see the shop you know
no i they they do not run my business in fact i started buying more stuff than
ever now i've noticed that you were talking about buying lots of stuff for
yourself just it's just easier and it's getting
right away you don't have to yeah yep and now with your scrap yard work
experience you can buy more stuff too with someone else's money which is great
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all right i'm gonna drop a bomb on you guys uh this was originally posted by
numlock21 on the forum the original article here is from videocards.com so
take it with a grain of salt uh Intel claims
the core i7 8700k will be 11 faster than the 7700k
and here's what i want to know because this is crazy well it is to be
fair this is a whole entire one percent higher than i would have guessed this is
what i want to know who needed Intel to claim this
to know that this was coming yeah i mean this is literally
this does this mean about does this mean that they're not
scared okay so here's the thing so there's two
things first of all the rumors are also that coffee lake is going to be
available in six core configurations which would legit be good okay so if
they're so they're keeping their 10 and adding course if they're 10 faster in
terms of ipc and they're adding
50 more cores then i'm looking at this going
that's a good job thank you for what should have happened two years ago but
okay yeah fine thank you i mean i'll i still appreciate
them doing something good even if it was a long time coming
and should have happened before so the 8700 kids is going to be the six core
excuse me it's supposed to be six core 12 thread with a single threaded boost
over the 7700k of about 11 percent yet
there'll still be an i5 and x299 at that time
uh yeah cause x299 is not gonna refresh by then so yeah i mean this is this is yet
another reason i mean you know okay you know my feelings i know your feelings on
the 7740 and the 7640. those two skus
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supposed to be mucho memory bandwidth mucho pci e-lanes and mucho processing
cores and moho jerky those chips have
none of those things they have beefed up power delivery so
theoretically you can overclock them a little higher they're still dual core they still have the mainstream platform
number of PCIe lanes and they're still quad core processors and they're pulling significantly more power than their
mainstream counterparts and now compared to the mainstream platform
that's coming oh i don't know what it's rumored to be launching what in it
so it would be three months later if the rumors are true
it will be two generations behind architecturally two
and that might only be ten percent per generation or you know eight percent or
whatever but still two generations times ten percent is not complicated math
that's twenty percent so if you had a five gigahertz processor let's say
you're an overclocker it's actually better than that because ten percent on top of ten
percent that's right so let's say you're you're an overclocker uh you get to five
gigahertz we're talking about now on this high-end
platform you would be equivalent to the
mainstream's performance at what like four gigahertz right
well that's not good yeah why did i just go spend 350 on a
motherboard Intel because they're hoping you're gonna just step forward or future compatibility
with more expensive bigger but why would you still spend you know almost 400 on
that CPU for getting the i7 that's the thing it's like i get that argument if
it's like a pentium dual core or something and that's devil's advocate argument as far as i'm concerned right
like like i've seen that before like pentium anniversary edition where we're
talking a hundred dollar chip right you buy something to to get running today
you hope it doesn't drop in value too much you flip because a hundred dollar
CPU if it drops in value twenty percent we're talking twenty bucks yeah
right and if you if you've managed to save up your 400 or 500 or whatever you
need for an eight-core processor by that point then surely the 20 is not that big of a
deal some time has passed i get that logic but here we're talking about a 300
plus dollar processor that you're buying as a placeholder
doesn't make sense do you guys buy a 300 processor as a placeholder in the socket
i i don't really buy processors as placeholders
right and we never recommend that no
do do you guys ever recommend that buy heart buy hardware that isn't what
you actually need and then like like buy something else later yeah i know i would
unless you're like crazy like craigslist or use site junkie
because like you've done this kind of stuff but you're constantly flipping things so you were never planning on
holding it for more than like possibly even two weeks but even then it doesn't
matter you're not buying new anyway no yeah exactly so yeah so it's not even
applicable so like i could see buying a 7740 from some idiot who bought it
realized that this was really stupid and then it's like oh crap this thing isn't
worth much i guess i'll just take a bath on it i could buy from that guy yeah and then
then i do buy myself a few months to save up and i can probably flip it for
pretty close to what i paid but i wouldn't buy something like that new no
that's why i threw mine in an htpc just because i was like what else am i going
to do with this oh i'll take the chip that doesn't make sense and put it in a form factor does it make sense for an
x299 platform to begin with so that my whole video was based on that
i just figured we'd put nonsense on top of nonsense
and then i called it my vr rig on top of that there you go oh
vr capable vr cable sticker put it on
we got to get as reviewers we need to get our own vr capable stickers and just
start putting them on every single it's a watermark on the video channel oh
perfectly already this video is vr ready yes but it's really not well you could
technically if you put it in theater mode oh true yeah watch it in vr theater
yes figured out vr ready this is vr ready
life is vr ready oh right yeah because you could buy an
oculus or anything else in life which means that it's vr ready i
was going with sony vr or whatever it is oh yeah also that
what yeah okay uh so the original article
here is from ours technica i've been completely out of the loop this week so
this isn't that crazy i can kind of explain why uh so apple is
investing a huge amount uh it says they're going all in but apple has a lot
of money yeah billion dollars is not all in so not at all um but they're they're
putting a billion dollar budget to apple shows uh so they're doing like the first
original series from them was planet of the apps and carpool karaoke and they're
doing more but this isn't that surprising netflix is going really
hardcore into original content they're going to be putting these shows on the
apple music thing so they probably need to rename that but oh well um a lot of
these big companies that are trying to serve video are going into original
content because licensing especially from
like big movies and big shows if you want to have all of them is obscenely
prohibitively expensive and this is something you and i have discussed um
apparently there isn't a video streaming platform
online like a significant one i mean that's
losing money yeah and you know now that we are really
digging and sometimes there sometimes they're parts of bigger companies and
then they don't care that they're not losing money or it's offset by some other aspect of the business exactly
yeah but the actual video streaming division
whether we're talking youtube um amazon
prime video netflix twitch as far as we can tell
they're all losing money and like hearing from certain people that work at
some of those companies not all of them but some of those companies we know people that
i think we know at least someone at pretty much all of them yeah
which makes moves like disney pulling all of their movies off of netflix to
have their own streaming service just really make you scratch your head i mean i know disney has disney money to
spend but still no company wants to bleed money but they all they already have a website and they've already been
streaming their own video to be fair so they just have to scale up yeah but you
you could get their stuff in other places now now their video is gonna be
available only on one source so they're gonna have to probably upscale anyway
and that way they can control the pricing too they can they can just they
can control the content that goes around it disney cares about that a lot yeah
they do and also users already getting familiar with needing to get their hands
into so many other platforms yeah and you know how we were talking about there's gonna be sites that pop up that
bring everything together they already exist right oh all right well there's already a thing yeah
so you just kind of like log in with all your logins there and then it just becomes a single house becomes one
viewing site yeah so like i got tons of tweets about
that last time yeah i think they're actually you know what i feel really stupid now because i know samsung had a
thing built into their smart tvs like a while back that mixes it all together
for years that actually it's just a browser of the other browsers yeah it
just goes and finds and it can even browse uh rental services like google
play oh that's neat you know what's really funny is on the subject of apple
uh doing their own original programming and like they should probably change the
name of like itunes now i
i gave google so much crap about google
play store back when they did it now
it totally makes sense yeah yeah play music play games play videos oh
they actually got that one right yep way to go google
i just did it way ahead of time when in the moment it didn't make a ton of sense
it just made a lot more sense in the future they were playing they were playing 3d chess they were doing the
long game and i was playing with you wow
that was that was what was going on there i didn't get it i mean that you
were you were making children at that point in time no not yet okay yeah no
not yet no uh that was a solo effort oh that's why it was just playing solo
effort i see yes okay yeah yeah yeah
still a fun game i'm surprised that with the one billion here
i put up the green screen picture from earlier and someone did that oh no
i love how you said that oh no
show him the other one these guys
they can't check out at jay's two cents uh actually
here i can i can pull it up yeah it's pretty it's pretty
so we we dimitri knight earlier if you guys follow our social media we stood in
front of their green screen and uh it was you know to give you guys an
opportunity to key out and play around with green screen pictures there's some good awesome there's some really good
creative people out there my goodness just go to media oh there it is yeah
also make sure to to tag some of them might not be appropriate so you might
not want to scroll live okay there it is well there's there's
the one we were looking for
that's your thinking up there jay would your wife approve who is that who is
that foxy uh foxy foxy babe
oh what is going on here dang it apple
what's up that's the sun okay
oh man that's great
oh my god that's that is great
all right see you we know have fun we can have fun
somehow work all right so here's some potentially big news so
pcgamer.com reports and i'm just gonna close this ad before i screen share with
you guys NVIDIA's next-gen volta gaming gpus
not arriving anytime soon well why would they so this picture right here is
jensen showing off volta already super duper definitely working
in the data center which means based on the way that NVIDIA rolls out
product they launched their big GPU first
and whatever product that is it used to be GeForce
now it never is but i'm not bitter and video launches their
big one first which means they've got the architecture
down and then they just they just cut they cut and cut and cut and the
performance goes down according to how much they cut away
that process usually takes like two to three months per per cut because there
is an art it's obviously more complicated than just like taking a pair
of scissors to a you know uh to a v100
and like taping that to a pcb like
um so there's r d that is involved with that and you've only got so many engineers at a time it's a resource
management thing so based on when they showed off
working like production volta silicon
it's been a while they could probably be launching a GeForce card now if they
felt like there's no reason to there's no mark there's there's no competition
for them to do it and they push back uh their hbm already generations from when
the original roadmap back in like 2012 was leaked yeah it was maxwell i believe
was when we were supposed to first see facebook hpm that was super duper but
they they now look at vega and they're just like why even invest in the manufacturing cost of this when we don't
have to when our when our traditional architecture is still topping the
competition and the other thing too is like NVIDIA strategically you've seen it over the
last five years has moved from try to make the GPU faster faster faster to try
to build out technology around the GPU
whether it's stuff that doesn't make a ton of sense to me personally like ansel
is that that screenshotting thing where you can capture like super
high resolution still do you guys know anyone that uses that have you used it
i've used it only in the demo version just to see how
high resolution you can go if you go like crank up the settings but outside
of seeing how beautiful you can turn those screenshots for like which are
three in the other games i've never done if you want like a big
poster in your on your own i have never used it ever like i'll tell you guys
this i remember this was a weird experience for me at a lan party this was back when like i went to lan party
so clearly i like played video games but i wasn't really like i didn't have like
a guild or like a clan or anything like
that so being like really into video games was kind of alien to me
and there were these two people at a land and it's only like a 45-50 person
land um which like it's big but it's not that big they spent like two hours
literally it felt like you know uncle
harold's like vacation pictures one of them was showing the other one an
album of wow screenshots yeah like this was the time we climbed to the top of
frickin some mountain and whoever clicked through the thing and like
whoever clipped through the thing so it was hyjal what i don't know what you're talking
about so see no this this this this might have been pretty cool okay one
thing wild screenshots was like a big deal because you'd show boss kills
and you'd usually have like the time stamp so if you were like world first or
server first or whatever you could show the boss kill um it could be and if he's
talking about mike don't hide the kill and this is when you were at
lan parties so this was probably classic wow correct yeah in classic wow you were
not allowed to get to mount hyjal so he probably has a similar screenshot set to
me which is glitching through many walls
and over many things and it takes like quite a while to get there and you're
just like screwing the game repeatedly and you get to a part of the game that
has like blizzard co construction signs
and there's stuff that never got released that's in there
like archimonde's like big giant skull leaning up against this tree and stuff
which was never in the game so it was actually super cool and it was glitchers
it wasn't necessarily just people that are interested in wow because i was a glitcher back then i broke like every
single aspect of halo 2. um a friend of mine utah crusher i
haven't talked to you in many years but this guy named utah crusher and i used
to play halo 2 together and we were like in the first group of
people that found the switching from rocket to a sword and flying across the
entire map glitch if you knew that one i killed hogger you
would do this thing where the rocket the the rocket you could aim at someone
and it would show it would show red because you were targeting them right
do you remember that i never played halo 2 that's an xbox game
okay whatever man if you if i think it happened in halo 1 too if you aimed over
top of someone the aimer would turn red
anyways i don't remember um that long time ago that was like a state and the
sword if the aimer was red you would lunge towards them and the state was
shared so if you switched it fast enough and lunged it wouldn't notice
that it wasn't in that state anymore so it would let you lunge to the person but
they're super far away because it's the targeting from the rocket launcher so
you just like and just fly it it was pretty cool we did a lot of other
stuff too i'm gonna stop that so i'll say this
many many of the screenshots were just like here's me and this other person in
a meadow no it was really bad
so okay anyway back to back to the topic
um a lot some of the stuff in videos building doesn't make a ton of sense to
me like ansel um but some of the stuff they're building does make a ton of
sense um things like uh streaming
uh better better GPU-based encoding and decoding okay all that kind of stuff
does make sense to me um so pretty much what they're doing is
they're kind of going we don't even we don't even
need to develop a much much faster GPU every
year we're just going to like put more tech in it to the point where even if
the rx vega 556
was the same price as a gtx 1070 NVIDIA's whole thing on their side is
like we still think you should buy a 1070 anyway because we do release day
drivers every time oh by the way they're wickle wall
um and then we've got all this other tech
we've got shadow play and and all that kind of stuff built into it
and uh you know AMD's approach is oh
yeah but like our approach is open and but you look at sometimes but the
video started opening stuff up too though sometimes open makes sense
but only if you're actually doing any work yeah cause like look at okay so
stereoscopic 3d however much of an abortion you may or
may not think it is NVIDIA did a better job because they
actually did work on it whereas AMD was just like yeah through izad 3d and
whatever that other thing was uh you can enable stereoscopic 3d on our
cards but they were these janky third party did you ever try is 3d it's no i
didn't it was awesome i never did NVIDIA's 3d stuff either it was awful
like if you think 3d is bad imagine 3d
but like there's no oxygen so just to say 3d
ready or whatever yeah just just to just just to have the checkbox it was super
bad yeah we did testing for that a long time people are telling me to shut up
uh they think like three quarters of the chat is dimitri
in the chat yeah so much of it you talked yeah i mean you
gave them what they wanted okay here i've got something for dimitri to
discuss uh this was posted by purina on the forum the original article here is
from ars technica and this blew my mind
bing is bigger than you think says microsoft with a quarter of uk searches
whoa wow so saying a quarter of the searches are
from uk no no a quarter of the uk's searches
are using bing 10 in spain nineteen percent
in france nine percent in uh
what type of use though is it whatever that is what are they searching
they're they're just looking to buy to download chrome
that's probably legit man apparently taiwan is as high as 25
percent the u.s is 33. yeah
the u.s is the biggest percentage 16 percent canada but these are just
what these are views these are just figures being put out by marketing the
lowest percentage because they may be just using type to
search which uses bing as your as your
search result i love how they're saying bing is bigger than you think and then
there's literally multiple single-digit percentages
yeah that is bigger than i think to be fair yeah but like damn guys i i
honestly think like dimitri said that's just because they're searching for another browser to download
33 of all traffic in the usa is not searching for another browser to
download like i'm not even just trying to be devil's advocate that's not
there's no way so if they're using cortana yeah cortana uses bing so
anytime you type that in click enter it
uh so that's just a that's just a falsified not really falsified but it's
it's skewed in that making it look like but i'm not going to being i don't use
cortana to begin with but if i do a search or something down here i'm not
searching bing i'm just searching here usually for something on my system but
yeah but that doesn't work that way most of the time it just gives you driver
download from from online but it searches for the
internet as well simultaneously when you search for something local so that
really a good representation of being usage yeah that and i accidentally use
bing a lot accidentally yeah so you contribute to that how many thirteen
percent sixteen percent canada so i'll like i'll launch edge because i
haven't bothered to install another browser yet and i'll search for something i'll be like oh crap
and then i'll have to sir someone in chat just said alexa uses
bing and alexa's huge in the states
oh okay that would maybe make sense why it's 33 there because apparently
globally it's about nine percent
ouch and then 33 percent in the usa that's
huge
even like hong kong
that can't be right i'm pretty sure that's not right bing is for porn apparently
what yeah so a certain a certain friend of
ours in seattle would say that like i guess the algorithm for that is way
better oh a certain friend of ours in seattle
yeah well i'm not getting involved in that
thanks for tuning in to you guys um thanks again to jay and dimitri not
only for being here for scrapyard wars but also for being here on the show so
you can find jay over at uh i mean i know the answer is two cents
with a z not to be confused with the rapper yeah
and uh us at hardware conducts
yeah i'm just i'm leaving it because it's funny oh i'll do it there we go
oh we should have done a special intro with like you guys like on planes coming
here that would have been real
i cool share some footage they're like biplanes little scarves and goggles do you do
like a box
yeah are you putting that on your channel yeah if you want to see a travel vlog go
to dimitri's channel hardware connections
it's not my personal jam oh no no i'm collecting stuff still oh yeah that'll
be good though it'll be good