Is there ANY reason to buy Intel? - TalkLinked #3
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·2020-05-05
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now if i've ever seen a talk link this is it oh are you are you okay uh it's just
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been a really long couple of years you're meditating uh-huh you're messing
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with you call it meditating on what brought you to this point yeah
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it has been a crazy couple weeks we've got the ryzen launch the Radeon launch
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uh NVIDIA super launch how first of all how are you doing are
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you alive still
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oh no uh yeah yeah i'm alive i mean i i've done um oh
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geez i mean i worked i haven't stopped working like there's i just have not had
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a weekend i haven't had a break it's just been one thing after the other geez
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i don't envy you yeah so if you guys don't know Anthony's here you hosted
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your first tech link uh recently that was cool yeah and now you're you're here
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on talk link because you know all the stuff about the ryzen and Radeon and
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everything well i mean i've probably forgotten most of it and like just the
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haze of everything that's happened over the past couple of weeks but well let's
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refresh your memory so yeah let me let me go over quickly what has happened so
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the past few weeks has been crazy uh AMD
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announced the ryzen 3000 and Radeon 5000
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uh gpus uh on june 10th and they set the
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launch for july 7th then NVIDIA came out and was like hey we
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got a little thing and they teased the super we didn't know it was gpus at that time
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but we were like oh it's probably gpus they teased them on may 23rd
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then we had leaks on leaks on leaks so many leaks and then NVIDIA finally
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launched the super series on july 2nd
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and that caused AMD to announce a price change yup to their cards before they
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launched on july 7th and now
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that has really like like so many changes in a short amount of time set
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the stage for a market that is now very interesting oh
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yeah absolutely like Intel's entire product lineup is basically obsolete at
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this point whoa you heard it here first just kidding you
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heard it online detectives yeah basically but maybe next time
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so verizon let's talk about ryzen first okay uh there was a obscene amount of
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hype for these processors before they came out i mean usually there are for
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AMD processors like um like ryzen first gen and second gen people were like oh
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they're gonna be so much better than Intel right and you know usually you got
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to kind of temper your expectations a little bit kind of right claw it back
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it's going to be fine but it's not going to be that good yeah
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but uh you know this time around they kind of sort of were on the closer end
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of that good yeah like they didn't beat Intel everywhere but right they beat
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Intel hard in the places they did yeah this i think this launch is like one of
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the few examples of like hype being set up for an upcoming
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product and then the product launching and it actually
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kind of living up to it yeah yeah i was i was i just watched um the
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your review uh on you know double speed because i was
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trying to prepare but like i was surprised
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uh well and you were sitting right next to me when you're testing all the stuff and
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i was like asking you how it's going as you were testing i was like yeah
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multi-threading's great but how's single core you're like single chord
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yeah great too yeah it's all looking pretty great the only thing is
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uh we did notice the issue with the Windows scheduler
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so in some games not all of them i've tested that recently
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some games get better performance if you set them
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all to one die right so one ccd as they're calling them
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um this was kind of a thing back when ryzen
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first launched as well where like it would cross ccx's which is like
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it's like modular clusters yeah
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so in this case going across dies actually
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causes even more of a delay and um you want to minimize that as much
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as possible for something like a game that requires like super high reaction
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time right for the processor and is this a result of AMD's chiplets design a
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little bit because they're like kind of taking these modules and gluing them together yeah and it's it's not actually
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a bad thing to do and i think Intel is actually doing it as well right soon
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but the major issue with it is that um right now
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Windows doesn't know what to do with it i don't know about Linux performance yet
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i haven't looked at the furonics reviews or anything like that
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um because i haven't had time
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you will but um yeah like it looks like Windows is
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basically the bottleneck here okay so is that a situation where we
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might see more performance kind of being able to
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be squeezed out of them down the line with driver updates and i think so okay
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so like with a new chipset driver um and maybe some updates from microsoft
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um and you know a little bit of optimization from game developers too
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right uh i think we should see quite a bit more performance coming out of them
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in the coming uh few months well that's sweet yeah up the hype even more
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because people people i don't know did you see this people lined up yeah to buy
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these processors i think at the micro center and uh there were some images on
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an article i read the micro center and like tokyo in the uh
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uh akihabara i don't know how to say that i
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believe they call it they just call it akihabara what is it
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that's the one they were lining up yeah just call it akita that's what they do
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akiba okay sorry i'm not japanese so despite all the hype though there were a
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couple issues uh that uh with the with
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the ryzen launch yeah now one of those was
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BIOS update shenanigans oh yeah so you i
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remember you saying when you were writing the review you were like i think i think i was writing a script
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of my own and i just heard you go like
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what yeah um
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in our case we got an email from ASUS
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basically saying hey there's a bug we fixed it you should update
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and i'm like oh what was the bug and they're like oh it wasn't boosting
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properly and i'm like oh
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so all my numbers yeah i got up to this point yeah so i had to throw out
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everything that i had done up to that point big oof yeah and uh long story short i had to
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come in over the weekend which is why i've had this like i've been i've been
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doing like late days in the past couple weeks but like the weekend was just a
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total wash you're a true champion Anthony i don't know about that the
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people are outside screaming your name
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they want you to sign all manner of body parts oh it's kind of weird yeah to be
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honest toenails what like toenails toenails yeah
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whatever works so you were saying that some outlets didn't quite get the memo
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before they published their reviews so there might be some kind of some skewed
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numbers on like the low and high side from what i understand um
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yeah i think there were some outlets that didn't get the memo i think there uh might have been one or two vendors
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who were like trying to get it out but they couldn't in time right like i don't
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know how many people were able to actually take ASUS's BIOS update on
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friday afternoon and then just retest everything in time for sunday
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um that was a big ask and i think that a lot of people put in a lot of extra time
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right so as time goes on we might see some
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updated numbers from outlets or
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i think it'll be worth revisiting in a couple of months when everything has had
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a chance to mature and we know more about what the platform is
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capable of on a broader scale now the other thing was
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you linked me to a video by der der
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bauer i believe it's dear bauer i never know how to say his name i think it just
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means the fighter it's not durator no well i mean that is what it says that is
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what it is yeah yeah but that's not right no uh so der bauer found that um
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xfr so normally in the previous generations of verizon AMD has kind of
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listed their base clocks and their boost clocks and then they have the xfr
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frequencies yeah that are kind of above and beyond where it like auto overclocks
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itself sort of and he found that AMD
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kind of changed the way that they're listing that yeah so AMD is uh using
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precision boost overdrive by default now which is what they introduced with
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threadripper 2. that's basically an automatic
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overclocking feature uh the only problem is that they're
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listing the maximum frequency you can get out of that
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not what the actual like boost clock you can expect should be right so a lot of
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people have been seeing boost clocks that are much lower than what's printed
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on the box and a lot of people are getting confused by that it's like well
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maybe there's an update that'll fix it but no probably not it's down to the
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silicon lottery whether your chip is capable of it
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whether your motherboard is capable of it whether your cooler is capable of it
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right the stock cooler probably isn't
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so so if you're not a gambling person
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it's it's not good news yeah you might have to go to silicon
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lottery you're forced into the casino whether you want to or not yeah play the
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chips you're dealt all right let's bring this back so the
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moral of the story is we've talked some about about some of the issues we talked
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about the hype verizon but the the moral of the story is basically that like
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it did surprise people who thought that AMD was going to be this this launch was
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going to be another example of okay it's really great
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multi-threaded but it still you know doesn't quite take it in single core
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yeah it doesn't beat Intel in every game
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but like there's some surprising examples of it doing just that yeah and
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it's close enough in all the other examples that like
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you can give up the 5 or 10 FPS that you know you might lose right going to ryzen
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and then you'd gain so many more um
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like use cases yeah like you can like the blender renders the uh
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handbrake performance like for video editors for content creators it's just
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it's so much so much more to offer and you save money
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yeah look we're not being paid by NVIDIA or
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AMD guys well we are being paid by NVIDIA but not by
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AMD i'm i'm just kidding that was a joke
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yeah people actually think we are paid by NVIDIA i'm pretty sure we're not well
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to prove we're not paid by video maybe we should talk about radion now wow
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i'm learning about segways not from Linus though i just would have
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made one way cheesier so Radeon it's not
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there wasn't nearly as much hype for these rx 5000 series as ryzen but it
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was kind of i mean it was definitely an exciting kind of uh
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teta tet in terms of
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the radio the navi cards being announced then NVIDIA saying oh we got super cards
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uh that's supposed to be you know we got you we you're in the corner now yeah and
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then AMD's like guess what price drop
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and then that actually positioned the rx
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5000 series quite uh well in terms against the the super
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serial not the super series but all of the rtx series well i would say
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the super suit yeah all the rtx series but especially the supers um
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maybe not the 2080. they don't have a response for that yes
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uh classic well they have kind of like some decent
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cards in a narrow range and then beyond that
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uh it's a let's guess it's kind of
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interesting how that went down though because the way AMD designed their new
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gpus it actually kind of gets rid of their uh you've ever heard of fine wine
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what uh people refer to as AMD's drivers causing better performance over time
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right i've heard of it i don't understand it but you do so
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a little bit uh i don't know if i know all of it but
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uh the longer the short of it is they they reduce the performance impact
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that an unoptimized game would have okay so
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from this point forward the fine wine improvements are going to
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be probably more incremental but very small improvements not as not as big
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yeah not as big but at the same time you're getting more performance out of
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the gate and i don't think NVIDIA was really
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expecting that what was NVIDIA expecting because it seems like they they launched
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you know um originally the 5700 was targeted at the
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2016 and i guess it still is but and the 5700 xt was targeted at the
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2070. right but now with the price drops
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the 5700 is still targeted at the 2060 but the 5700 xt is now targeted at the
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2060 super right so what were they expecting in
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terms of i guess were they did they not see the price drop coming maybe they
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thought that AMD didn't have the the margin for it but i mean there's been a
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couple of uh conspiracy theories like they're price fixing and this was just
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all just for show um i'm not sure about that it kind of
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doesn't seem like something that AMD and NVIDIA
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willing to do together yeah they they don't really like each
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other that much in the GPU division i mean they work fine between GPU and CPU
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right that's like the Radeon technology group is a separate thing jensen and sue
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have some bad some bad blood yeah even though literally
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yeah literally because they're related yeah but he he's not her uncle we should
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clear that like uh yeah it's like half they're like it's
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like a cousin kind of situation it's like a third cousin removed kind of
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situation yeah it's kind of weird but do your research
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Linus Linus so so the moral of the story for
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these guys is that they actually when you take price into
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account they are they perform pretty well across the board compared to their
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direct NVIDIA competitors oh yeah like they actually more or less crush them um
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at least the ones that they're positioned against
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um although they do trade blows in productivity like i said um if you're
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uh into um i can't visualize now which
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ones were the ones that NVIDIA won but i do know that uh check out the LTT review
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for like the specifics yeah but the margins are pretty big so depending on
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what your workload is you'd want to choose one over the other
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right you know really if you're a gamer
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then the 5700 series looks pretty good now the only thing to
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take into account there i guess is if you want rtx
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yeah AMD doesn't really have the same kind of like extra features they have
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this anti-lag thing yeah i haven't been able to test that yet because we don't
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have the high speed camera here yet right um but
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AMD has their own features mostly they're to do with managing the cards
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cooling and managing lag that kind of thing because they do get very hot and
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they do quite hot i remember i think the what
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what the 5700 xt was at like 95.
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oh yeah and it shut down it shut down in a menu yeah just sitting in the menu
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that's not good looks like the power target is all messed up um i reported
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this to AMD they managed to reproduce it they said that they didn't get quite the
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temperatures that i did but i don't know that's okay they didn't say what temperatures
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they got right but the fact that they could reproduce the bug means that it
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seems like it's a firmware issue or like a driver issue
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uh so um you can expect probably a
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little bit less performance if that's the case if they need to drop
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the target down gotcha um
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but it's still pretty good so basically in both the Radeon and the
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ryzen realms uh pretty good the story's pretty good
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it's pretty good yeah which i mean it's like that's wasn't the case for the radion 7
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launch oh no absolutely not great on 7 launch and we were all like uh what are
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you doing AMD yeah like they got a card that competes with 2080 in terms of
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price and it's like well yeah but the 2080 also has all these other features
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and it basically isn't a nuclear reactor
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um yeah so you don't want right
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which is why you shouldn't buy the um
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the reference design of the 5700 xt in my opinion okay that cooler is not
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adequate for what they want to do with it right and i think that if you get a
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uh partner board so something with a
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beefier cooler on it uh maybe with a little bit of an
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overclock that would probably be ideal and are
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those are those coming out in august or are they out now they're coming out
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later i'm not sure exactly when off the top of my head okay so by the time the
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add-in boards come out any you know hopefully AMD has already resolved some
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of these issues with uh overheating and yeah that kind of thing
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okay right on so to conclude
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is AMD now the king of
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the CPU and GPU hill if the if such a hill exists
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well there are many hills and they all depend on your price point gotcha
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um the hill on which the ryzen 5 3600
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exists i believe AMD has nailed down
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because not only do they have the ryzen 5 3600
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but they also have Radeon 5700 right
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around that price point that you'd want a couple with a CPU like that
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so i mean compared to the NVIDIA offerings unless you really want rtx or
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you really need that hardware uh x264 encoder or h264 encoder right
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um there's no reason to go up NVIDIA there's no
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reason NVIDIA please keep paying us even though
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we're saying that we're not it's not a thing come on
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so uh very exciting to be uh on team red
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very exciting time mm-hmm yep
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and uh kind of a you know wake up and
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think about your life kind of moment for team blue and team green
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yeah i mean it must really suck to be a team blue engineer
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you've been spending so much time trying to get 10 nanometer to go
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and yeah it's just fighting you at every step of the way and it's delayed you for
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so long that AMD has been able to leap over
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what you've been able to accomplish so far and there's no band-aid that can really
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fix it without them just dropping the price
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well there you have it folks it's a sad day for some people very
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happy day for others just like every other day really yeah it's basically how
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life works well that's another episode of talk
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linked and boy was it a gooden good good
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one you think so i yeah oh okay i don't know how this works
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