{"video_id":"TJM-Qo0VZbs","title":"Is there ANY reason to buy Intel? - TalkLinked #3","channel":"TechLinked","show":"TechLinked","published_at":"2020-05-05T14:53:29Z","duration_s":1154,"segments":[{"start_s":0.08,"end_s":6.56,"text":"now if i've ever seen a talk link this is it oh are you are you okay uh it's just","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":5.359,"end_s":10.16,"text":"been a really long couple of years you're meditating uh-huh you're messing","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":8.8,"end_s":14.0,"text":"with you call it meditating on what brought you to this point yeah","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":12.24,"end_s":20.24,"text":"it has been a crazy couple weeks we've got the ryzen launch the Radeon launch","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":17.44,"end_s":24.8,"text":"uh NVIDIA super launch how first of all how are you doing are","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":22.0,"end_s":24.8,"text":"you alive 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is it oh are you are you okay uh it's just been a really long couple of years you're meditating uh-huh you're messing with you call it meditating on what brought you to this point yeah it has been a crazy couple weeks we've got the ryzen launch the Radeon launch uh NVIDIA super launch how first of all how are you doing are you alive still oh no uh yeah yeah i'm alive i mean i i've done um oh geez i mean i worked i haven't stopped working like there's i just have not had a weekend i haven't had a break it's just been one thing after the other geez i don't envy you yeah so if you guys don't know Anthony's here you hosted your first tech link uh recently that was cool yeah and now you're you're here on talk link because you know all the stuff about the ryzen and Radeon and everything well i mean i've probably forgotten most of it and like just the haze of everything that's happened over the past couple of weeks but well let's refresh your memory so yeah let me let me go over quickly what has happened so the past few weeks has been crazy uh AMD announced the ryzen 3000 and Radeon 5000 uh gpus uh on june 10th and they set the launch for july 7th then NVIDIA came out and was like hey we got a little thing and they teased the super we didn't know it was gpus at that time but we were like oh it's probably gpus they teased them on may 23rd then we had leaks on leaks on leaks so many leaks and then NVIDIA finally launched the super series on july 2nd and that caused AMD to announce a price change yup to their cards before they launched on july 7th and now that has really like like so many changes in a short amount of time set the stage for a market that is now very interesting oh yeah absolutely like Intel's entire product lineup is basically obsolete at this point whoa you heard it here first just kidding you heard it online detectives yeah basically but maybe next time so verizon let's talk about ryzen first okay uh there was a obscene amount of hype for these processors before they came out i mean usually there are for AMD processors like um like ryzen first gen and second gen people were like oh they're gonna be so much better than Intel right and you know usually you got to kind of temper your expectations a little bit kind of right claw it back it's going to be fine but it's not going to be that good yeah but uh you know this time around they kind of sort of were on the closer end of that good yeah like they didn't beat Intel everywhere but right they beat Intel hard in the places they did yeah this i think this launch is like one of the few examples of like hype being set up for an upcoming product and then the product launching and it actually kind of living up to it yeah yeah i was i was i just watched um the your review uh on you know double speed because i was trying to prepare but like i was surprised uh well and you were sitting right next to me when you're testing all the stuff and i was like asking you how it's going as you were testing i was like yeah multi-threading's great but how's single core you're like single chord yeah great too yeah it's all looking pretty great the only thing is uh we did notice the issue with the Windows scheduler so in some games not all of them i've tested that recently some games get better performance if you set them all to one die right so one ccd as they're calling them um this was kind of a thing back when ryzen first launched as well where like it would cross ccx's which is like it's like modular clusters yeah so in this case going across dies actually causes even more of a delay and um you want to minimize that as much as possible for something like a game that requires like super high reaction time right for the processor and is this a result of AMD's chiplets design a little bit because they're like kind of taking these modules and gluing them together yeah and it's it's not actually a bad thing to do and i think Intel is actually doing it as well right soon but the major issue with it is that um right now Windows doesn't know what to do with it i don't know about Linux performance yet i haven't looked at the furonics reviews or anything like that um because i haven't had time you will but um yeah like it looks like Windows is basically the bottleneck here okay so is that a situation where we might see more performance kind of being able to be squeezed out of them down the line with driver updates and i think so okay so like with a new chipset driver um and maybe some updates from microsoft um and you know a little bit of optimization from game developers too right uh i think we should see quite a bit more performance coming out of them in the coming uh few months well that's sweet yeah up the hype even more because people people i don't know did you see this people lined up yeah to buy these processors i think at the micro center and uh there were some images on an article i read the micro center and like tokyo in the uh uh akihabara i don't know how to say that i believe they call it they just call it akihabara what is it that's the one they were lining up yeah just call it akita that's what they do akiba okay sorry i'm not japanese so despite all the hype though there were a couple issues uh that uh with the with the ryzen launch yeah now one of those was BIOS update shenanigans oh yeah so you i remember you saying when you were writing the review you were like i think i think i was writing a script of my own and i just heard you go like what yeah um in our case we got an email from ASUS basically saying hey there's a bug we fixed it you should update and i'm like oh what was the bug and they're like oh it wasn't boosting properly and i'm like oh so all my numbers yeah i got up to this point yeah so i had to throw out everything that i had done up to that point big oof yeah and uh long story short i had to come in over the weekend which is why i've had this like i've been i've been doing like late days in the past couple weeks but like the weekend was just a total wash you're a true champion Anthony i don't know about that the people are outside screaming your name they want you to sign all manner of body parts oh it's kind of weird yeah to be honest toenails what like toenails toenails yeah whatever works so you were saying that some outlets didn't quite get the memo before they published their reviews so there might be some kind of some skewed numbers on like the low and high side from what i understand um yeah i think there were some outlets that didn't get the memo i think there uh might have been one or two vendors who were like trying to get it out but they couldn't in time right like i don't know how many people were able to actually take ASUS's BIOS update on friday afternoon and then just retest everything in time for sunday um that was a big ask and i think that a lot of people put in a lot of extra time right so as time goes on we might see some updated numbers from outlets or i think it'll be worth revisiting in a couple of months when everything has had a chance to mature and we know more about what the platform is capable of on a broader scale now the other thing was you linked me to a video by der der bauer i believe it's dear bauer i never know how to say his name i think it just means the fighter it's not durator no well i mean that is what it says that is what it is yeah yeah but that's not right no uh so der bauer found that um xfr so normally in the previous generations of verizon AMD has kind of listed their base clocks and their boost clocks and then they have the xfr frequencies yeah that are kind of above and beyond where it like auto overclocks itself sort of and he found that AMD kind of changed the way that they're listing that yeah so AMD is uh using precision boost overdrive by default now which is what they introduced with threadripper 2. that's basically an automatic overclocking feature uh the only problem is that they're listing the maximum frequency you can get out of that not what the actual like boost clock you can expect should be right so a lot of people have been seeing boost clocks that are much lower than what's printed on the box and a lot of people are getting confused by that it's like well maybe there's an update that'll fix it but no probably not it's down to the silicon lottery whether your chip is capable of it whether your motherboard is capable of it whether your cooler is capable of it right the stock cooler probably isn't so so if you're not a gambling person it's it's not good news yeah you might have to go to silicon lottery you're forced into the casino whether you want to or not yeah play the chips you're dealt all right let's bring this back so the moral of the story is we've talked some about about some of the issues we talked about the hype verizon but the the moral of the story is basically that like it did surprise people who thought that AMD was going to be this this launch was going to be another example of okay it's really great multi-threaded but it still you know doesn't quite take it in single core yeah it doesn't beat Intel in every game but like there's some surprising examples of it doing just that yeah and it's close enough in all the other examples that like you can give up the 5 or 10 FPS that you know you might lose right going to ryzen and then you'd gain so many more um like use cases yeah like you can like the blender renders the uh handbrake performance like for video editors for content creators it's just it's so much so much more to offer and you save money yeah look we're not being paid by NVIDIA or AMD guys well we are being paid by NVIDIA but not by AMD i'm i'm just kidding that was a joke yeah people actually think we are paid by NVIDIA i'm pretty sure we're not well to prove we're not paid by video maybe we should talk about radion now wow i'm learning about segways not from Linus though i just would have made one way cheesier so Radeon it's not there wasn't nearly as much hype for these rx 5000 series as ryzen but it was kind of i mean it was definitely an exciting kind of uh teta tet in terms of the radio the navi cards being announced then NVIDIA saying oh we got super cards uh that's supposed to be you know we got you we you're in the corner now yeah and then AMD's like guess what price drop and then that actually positioned the rx 5000 series quite uh well in terms against the the super serial not the super series but all of the rtx series well i would say the super suit yeah all the rtx series but especially the supers um maybe not the 2080. they don't have a response for that yes uh classic well they have kind of like some decent cards in a narrow range and then beyond that uh it's a let's guess it's kind of interesting how that went down though because the way AMD designed their new gpus it actually kind of gets rid of their uh you've ever heard of fine wine what uh people refer to as AMD's drivers causing better performance over time right i've heard of it i don't understand it but you do so a little bit uh i don't know if i know all of it but uh the longer the short of it is they they reduce the performance impact that an unoptimized game would have okay so from this point forward the fine wine improvements are going to be probably more incremental but very small improvements not as not as big yeah not as big but at the same time you're getting more performance out of the gate and i don't think NVIDIA was really expecting that what was NVIDIA expecting because it seems like they they launched you know um originally the 5700 was targeted at the 2016 and i guess it still is but and the 5700 xt was targeted at the 2070. right but now with the price drops the 5700 is still targeted at the 2060 but the 5700 xt is now targeted at the 2060 super right so what were they expecting in terms of i guess were they did they not see the price drop coming maybe they thought that AMD didn't have the the margin for it but i mean there's been a couple of uh conspiracy theories like they're price fixing and this was just all just for show um i'm not sure about that it kind of doesn't seem like something that AMD and NVIDIA willing to do together yeah they they don't really like each other that much in the GPU division i mean they work fine between GPU and CPU right that's like the Radeon technology group is a separate thing jensen and sue have some bad some bad blood yeah even though literally yeah literally because they're related yeah but he he's not her uncle we should clear that like uh yeah it's like half they're like it's like a cousin kind of situation it's like a third cousin removed kind of situation yeah it's kind of weird but do your research Linus Linus so so the moral of the story for these guys is that they actually when you take price into account they are they perform pretty well across the board compared to their direct NVIDIA competitors oh yeah like they actually more or less crush them um at least the ones that they're positioned against um although they do trade blows in productivity like i said um if you're uh into um i can't visualize now which ones were the ones that NVIDIA won but i do know that uh check out the LTT review for like the specifics yeah but the margins are pretty big so depending on what your workload is you'd want to choose one over the other right you know really if you're a gamer then the 5700 series looks pretty good now the only thing to take into account there i guess is if you want rtx yeah AMD doesn't really have the same kind of like extra features they have this anti-lag thing yeah i haven't been able to test that yet because we don't have the high speed camera here yet right um but AMD has their own features mostly they're to do with managing the cards cooling and managing lag that kind of thing because they do get very hot and they do quite hot i remember i think the what what the 5700 xt was at like 95. oh yeah and it shut down it shut down in a menu yeah just sitting in the menu that's not good looks like the power target is all messed up um i reported this to AMD they managed to reproduce it they said that they didn't get quite the temperatures that i did but i don't know that's okay they didn't say what temperatures they got right but the fact that they could reproduce the bug means that it seems like it's a firmware issue or like a driver issue uh so um you can expect probably a little bit less performance if that's the case if they need to drop the target down gotcha um but it's still pretty good so basically in both the Radeon and the ryzen realms uh pretty good the story's pretty good it's pretty good yeah which i mean it's like that's wasn't the case for the radion 7 launch oh no absolutely not great on 7 launch and we were all like uh what are you doing AMD yeah like they got a card that competes with 2080 in terms of price and it's like well yeah but the 2080 also has all these other features and it basically isn't a nuclear reactor um yeah so you don't want right which is why you shouldn't buy the um the reference design of the 5700 xt in my opinion okay that cooler is not adequate for what they want to do with it right and i think that if you get a uh partner board so something with a beefier cooler on it uh maybe with a little bit of an overclock that would probably be ideal and are those are those coming out in august or are they out now they're coming out later i'm not sure exactly when off the top of my head okay so by the time the add-in boards come out any you know hopefully AMD has already resolved some of these issues with uh overheating and yeah that kind of thing okay right on so to conclude is AMD now the king of the CPU and GPU hill if the if such a hill exists well there are many hills and they all depend on your price point gotcha um the hill on which the ryzen 5 3600 exists i believe AMD has nailed down because not only do they have the ryzen 5 3600 but they also have Radeon 5700 right around that price point that you'd want a couple with a CPU like that so i mean compared to the NVIDIA offerings unless you really want rtx or you really need that hardware uh x264 encoder or h264 encoder right um there's no reason to go up NVIDIA there's no reason NVIDIA please keep paying us even though we're saying that we're not it's not a thing come on so uh very exciting to be uh on team red very exciting time mm-hmm yep and uh kind of a you know wake up and think about your life kind of moment for team blue and team green yeah i mean it must really suck to be a team blue engineer you've been spending so much time trying to get 10 nanometer to go and yeah it's just fighting you at every step of the way and it's delayed you for so long that AMD has been able to leap over what you've been able to accomplish so far and there's no band-aid that can really fix it without them just dropping the price well there you have it folks it's a sad day for some people very 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