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now if i've ever seen a talk link this is it oh are you are you okay uh it's just

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been a really long couple of years you're meditating uh-huh you're messing

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with you call it meditating on what brought you to this point yeah

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it has been a crazy couple weeks we've got the ryzen launch the Radeon launch

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uh NVIDIA super launch how first of all how are you doing are

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you alive still

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oh no uh yeah yeah i'm alive i mean i i've done um oh

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geez i mean i worked i haven't stopped working like there's i just have not had

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a weekend i haven't had a break it's just been one thing after the other geez

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i don't envy you yeah so if you guys don't know Anthony's here you hosted

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your first tech link uh recently that was cool yeah and now you're you're here

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on talk link because you know all the stuff about the ryzen and Radeon and

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everything well i mean i've probably forgotten most of it and like just the

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haze of everything that's happened over the past couple of weeks but well let's

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refresh your memory so yeah let me let me go over quickly what has happened so

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the past few weeks has been crazy uh AMD

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announced the ryzen 3000 and Radeon 5000

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launch for july 7th then NVIDIA came out and was like hey we

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got a little thing and they teased the super we didn't know it was gpus at that time

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but we were like oh it's probably gpus they teased them on may 23rd

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then we had leaks on leaks on leaks so many leaks and then NVIDIA finally

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and that caused AMD to announce a price change yup to their cards before they

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launched on july 7th and now

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that has really like like so many changes in a short amount of time set

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the stage for a market that is now very interesting oh

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yeah absolutely like Intel's entire product lineup is basically obsolete at

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this point whoa you heard it here first just kidding you

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heard it online detectives yeah basically but maybe next time

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so verizon let's talk about ryzen first okay uh there was a obscene amount of

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hype for these processors before they came out i mean usually there are for

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AMD processors like um like ryzen first gen and second gen people were like oh

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they're gonna be so much better than Intel right and you know usually you got

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to kind of temper your expectations a little bit kind of right claw it back

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it's going to be fine but it's not going to be that good yeah

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but uh you know this time around they kind of sort of were on the closer end

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of that good yeah like they didn't beat Intel everywhere but right they beat

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Intel hard in the places they did yeah this i think this launch is like one of

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the few examples of like hype being set up for an upcoming

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product and then the product launching and it actually

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kind of living up to it yeah yeah i was i was i just watched um the

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your review uh on you know double speed because i was

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trying to prepare but like i was surprised

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uh well and you were sitting right next to me when you're testing all the stuff and

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i was like asking you how it's going as you were testing i was like yeah

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multi-threading's great but how's single core you're like single chord

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all to one die right so one ccd as they're calling them

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first launched as well where like it would cross ccx's which is like

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it's like modular clusters yeah

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so in this case going across dies actually

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causes even more of a delay and um you want to minimize that as much

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as possible for something like a game that requires like super high reaction

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time right for the processor and is this a result of AMD's chiplets design a

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little bit because they're like kind of taking these modules and gluing them together yeah and it's it's not actually

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a bad thing to do and i think Intel is actually doing it as well right soon

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but the major issue with it is that um right now

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i haven't looked at the furonics reviews or anything like that

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you will but um yeah like it looks like Windows is

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basically the bottleneck here okay so is that a situation where we

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might see more performance kind of being able to

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be squeezed out of them down the line with driver updates and i think so okay

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so like with a new chipset driver um and maybe some updates from microsoft

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in the coming uh few months well that's sweet yeah up the hype even more

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because people people i don't know did you see this people lined up yeah to buy

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these processors i think at the micro center and uh there were some images on

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an article i read the micro center and like tokyo in the uh

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uh akihabara i don't know how to say that i

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akiba okay sorry i'm not japanese so despite all the hype though there were a

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BIOS update shenanigans oh yeah so you i

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remember you saying when you were writing the review you were like i think i think i was writing a script

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in our case we got an email from ASUS

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basically saying hey there's a bug we fixed it you should update

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properly and i'm like oh

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everything that i had done up to that point big oof yeah and uh long story short i had to

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come in over the weekend which is why i've had this like i've been i've been

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total wash you're a true champion Anthony i don't know about that the

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people are outside screaming your name

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they want you to sign all manner of body parts oh it's kind of weird yeah to be

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honest toenails what like toenails toenails yeah

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whatever works so you were saying that some outlets didn't quite get the memo

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before they published their reviews so there might be some kind of some skewed

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yeah i think there were some outlets that didn't get the memo i think there uh might have been one or two vendors

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who were like trying to get it out but they couldn't in time right like i don't

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know how many people were able to actually take ASUS's BIOS update on

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friday afternoon and then just retest everything in time for sunday

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um that was a big ask and i think that a lot of people put in a lot of extra time

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i think it'll be worth revisiting in a couple of months when everything has had

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a chance to mature and we know more about what the platform is

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capable of on a broader scale now the other thing was

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bauer i believe it's dear bauer i never know how to say his name i think it just

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means the fighter it's not durator no well i mean that is what it says that is

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what it is yeah yeah but that's not right no uh so der bauer found that um

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xfr so normally in the previous generations of verizon AMD has kind of

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listed their base clocks and their boost clocks and then they have the xfr

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frequencies yeah that are kind of above and beyond where it like auto overclocks

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itself sort of and he found that AMD

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kind of changed the way that they're listing that yeah so AMD is uh using

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precision boost overdrive by default now which is what they introduced with

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threadripper 2. that's basically an automatic

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overclocking feature uh the only problem is that they're

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listing the maximum frequency you can get out of that

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not what the actual like boost clock you can expect should be right so a lot of

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people have been seeing boost clocks that are much lower than what's printed

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on the box and a lot of people are getting confused by that it's like well

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maybe there's an update that'll fix it but no probably not it's down to the

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silicon lottery whether your chip is capable of it

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whether your motherboard is capable of it whether your cooler is capable of it

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right the stock cooler probably isn't

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so so if you're not a gambling person

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it's it's not good news yeah you might have to go to silicon

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lottery you're forced into the casino whether you want to or not yeah play the

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chips you're dealt all right let's bring this back so the

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moral of the story is we've talked some about about some of the issues we talked

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about the hype verizon but the the moral of the story is basically that like

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going to be another example of okay it's really great

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multi-threaded but it still you know doesn't quite take it in single core

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yeah it doesn't beat Intel in every game

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but like there's some surprising examples of it doing just that yeah and

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it's close enough in all the other examples that like

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and then you'd gain so many more um

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like use cases yeah like you can like the blender renders the uh

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handbrake performance like for video editors for content creators it's just

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it's so much so much more to offer and you save money

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AMD guys well we are being paid by NVIDIA but not by

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AMD i'm i'm just kidding that was a joke

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yeah people actually think we are paid by NVIDIA i'm pretty sure we're not well

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to prove we're not paid by video maybe we should talk about radion now wow

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i'm learning about segways not from Linus though i just would have

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made one way cheesier so Radeon it's not

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there wasn't nearly as much hype for these rx 5000 series as ryzen but it

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was kind of i mean it was definitely an exciting kind of uh

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the radio the navi cards being announced then NVIDIA saying oh we got super cards

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uh that's supposed to be you know we got you we you're in the corner now yeah and

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then AMD's like guess what price drop

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and then that actually positioned the rx

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5000 series quite uh well in terms against the the super

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serial not the super series but all of the rtx series well i would say

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the super suit yeah all the rtx series but especially the supers um

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maybe not the 2080. they don't have a response for that yes

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uh classic well they have kind of like some decent

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interesting how that went down though because the way AMD designed their new

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gpus it actually kind of gets rid of their uh you've ever heard of fine wine

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what uh people refer to as AMD's drivers causing better performance over time

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right i've heard of it i don't understand it but you do so

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a little bit uh i don't know if i know all of it but

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uh the longer the short of it is they they reduce the performance impact

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that an unoptimized game would have okay so

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from this point forward the fine wine improvements are going to

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be probably more incremental but very small improvements not as not as big

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yeah not as big but at the same time you're getting more performance out of

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the gate and i don't think NVIDIA was really

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expecting that what was NVIDIA expecting because it seems like they they launched

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2070. right but now with the price drops

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2060 super right so what were they expecting in

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terms of i guess were they did they not see the price drop coming maybe they

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thought that AMD didn't have the the margin for it but i mean there's been a

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couple of uh conspiracy theories like they're price fixing and this was just

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all just for show um i'm not sure about that it kind of

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doesn't seem like something that AMD and NVIDIA

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willing to do together yeah they they don't really like each

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other that much in the GPU division i mean they work fine between GPU and CPU

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right that's like the Radeon technology group is a separate thing jensen and sue

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have some bad some bad blood yeah even though literally

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yeah literally because they're related yeah but he he's not her uncle we should

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clear that like uh yeah it's like half they're like it's

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like a cousin kind of situation it's like a third cousin removed kind of

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situation yeah it's kind of weird but do your research

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Linus Linus so so the moral of the story for

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these guys is that they actually when you take price into

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account they are they perform pretty well across the board compared to their

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direct NVIDIA competitors oh yeah like they actually more or less crush them um

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at least the ones that they're positioned against

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um although they do trade blows in productivity like i said um if you're

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uh into um i can't visualize now which

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ones were the ones that NVIDIA won but i do know that uh check out the LTT review

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for like the specifics yeah but the margins are pretty big so depending on

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what your workload is you'd want to choose one over the other

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right you know really if you're a gamer

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then the 5700 series looks pretty good now the only thing to

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take into account there i guess is if you want rtx

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yeah AMD doesn't really have the same kind of like extra features they have

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this anti-lag thing yeah i haven't been able to test that yet because we don't

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have the high speed camera here yet right um but

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cooling and managing lag that kind of thing because they do get very hot and

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what the 5700 xt was at like 95.

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oh yeah and it shut down it shut down in a menu yeah just sitting in the menu

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that's not good looks like the power target is all messed up um i reported

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this to AMD they managed to reproduce it they said that they didn't get quite the

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temperatures that i did but i don't know that's okay they didn't say what temperatures

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they got right but the fact that they could reproduce the bug means that it

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seems like it's a firmware issue or like a driver issue

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uh so um you can expect probably a

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little bit less performance if that's the case if they need to drop

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the target down gotcha um

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but it's still pretty good so basically in both the Radeon and the

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ryzen realms uh pretty good the story's pretty good

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it's pretty good yeah which i mean it's like that's wasn't the case for the radion 7

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launch oh no absolutely not great on 7 launch and we were all like uh what are

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you doing AMD yeah like they got a card that competes with 2080 in terms of

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price and it's like well yeah but the 2080 also has all these other features

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and it basically isn't a nuclear reactor

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um yeah so you don't want right

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which is why you shouldn't buy the um

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the reference design of the 5700 xt in my opinion okay that cooler is not

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adequate for what they want to do with it right and i think that if you get a

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uh partner board so something with a

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beefier cooler on it uh maybe with a little bit of an

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overclock that would probably be ideal and are

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those are those coming out in august or are they out now they're coming out

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later i'm not sure exactly when off the top of my head okay so by the time the

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add-in boards come out any you know hopefully AMD has already resolved some

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of these issues with uh overheating and yeah that kind of thing

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okay right on so to conclude

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is AMD now the king of

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the CPU and GPU hill if the if such a hill exists

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well there are many hills and they all depend on your price point gotcha

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um the hill on which the ryzen 5 3600

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exists i believe AMD has nailed down

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because not only do they have the ryzen 5 3600

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but they also have Radeon 5700 right

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around that price point that you'd want a couple with a CPU like that

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so i mean compared to the NVIDIA offerings unless you really want rtx or

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you really need that hardware uh x264 encoder or h264 encoder right

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um there's no reason to go up NVIDIA there's no

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reason NVIDIA please keep paying us even though

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we're saying that we're not it's not a thing come on

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so uh very exciting to be uh on team red

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very exciting time mm-hmm yep

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and uh kind of a you know wake up and

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think about your life kind of moment for team blue and team green

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yeah i mean it must really suck to be a team blue engineer

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you've been spending so much time trying to get 10 nanometer to go

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and yeah it's just fighting you at every step of the way and it's delayed you for

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so long that AMD has been able to leap over

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what you've been able to accomplish so far and there's no band-aid that can really

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fix it without them just dropping the price

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well there you have it folks it's a sad day for some people very

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happy day for others just like every other day really yeah it's basically how

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life works well that's another episode of talk

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linked and boy was it a gooden good good

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one you think so i yeah oh okay i don't know how this works

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i don't know how it works either i we're all just kind of going by the seat of

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our pants if you want if you want to subscribe that's something you could do if you

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link's in the description we don't have sponsors for these videos yet oh

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do you love them oh absolutely that would be awkward if you say i love each

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and every one of you except you all right

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see you later