HANDS ON AMD RYZEN & DELL 8K MONITOR - WAN Show January 6, 2017
Linus Tech Tips
·Linus Tech Tips
·2017-05-06
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15,261 words · ~76 min read
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Okay. And theoretically, we're live.
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Live, I think. Not alive. Just live. I'm
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definitely not alive right now. CES, man. It is CES. Uh Brandon, don't leave
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yet. Uh because someone needs to check and see if the Twitch stream is actually
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working. Or are we just talking to ourselves right now like we have been doing all day? Yeah. Uh no, I I talked
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to um I had a meeting with Kingston. Okay. I talked to them. Okay. Were they
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alive? They were not. Uh, they were alive but barely. That sounds about
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right. Yeah. And they were more alive than my contact at Corsair. Got it. Who
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is definitely not alive? Who made it through a presentation only to basically
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I had a meeting with King. It does actually look like we are
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indeed live. So, uh, people are saying it works, which is sort of amazing. And,
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uh, there you go. So, here we go, guys. It's WAN Show time. I've got a special
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guest, Austin, here. And uh we're going to be talking pretty much CES stuff.
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Yeah. Um Luke is Oh yeah. Where is Luke?
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Oh, hold on. Hold on. What? One person
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says echo. So Oh, you know what? You
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know what? I had the uh I had the Twitch stream playing for like for like a
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second. I think that was it. So, um yeah. So, Luke isn't here because he has
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to get up at uh 5 in the morning tomorrow. That sounds exciting.
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Actually, probably around 4:45. I was up at 6:00 this morning. Does that count
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for anything? Was that for um was that for like a special event? Okay, cool.
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Are you able to talk about that at all? Like, was it pretty cool? Yes, we got to
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do a test drive on a track with BMW with the i8. So, I got to do some hot laps
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with an actual race car driver. It was I didn't completely embarrass myself. I
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was really proud. Really? I almost spun the car once, but I I was able to save
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it. Very nice. So, tell me something. Did you What was your best lap time? It
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was So you guys went to Speed Vegas, right? Actually, I can I can pull it up.
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I think it was like 76. Tie game. Tie game. But what did you
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drive here? Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. I had a BMW i8. Okay. Uh let me let me
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just pull up uh my picture that I took. Uh suspense is real. I know, right?
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You're going to say like I got a 55. No big deal. Okay. Here we go. Here we go.
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Hold on. So uh wait, where where am I? Uh Sebastian Linus. Okay. So, there's
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me. I was in a Gallardo. Oh, 76. Yo, no.
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78 right there. So, what were you? No, no, no, no. Your best dime is 76. Oh,
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best. Oh, 76. Mine was 76. But like, dude, like your car had like twice as
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much power as mine. Why don't you cry some more? We tied. We
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tied. Wait, what was your top speed? What was your top speed? Mine was 134. I
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don't know what my probably was way higher. Uh 138. Oh, wow. Okay. Yeah, the
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Gallardo is not like the most amazing one they have there. I drove the Huracan
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as well. And the 488, man, that 488 was mean. Did you hear that thing? Sound
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like a proper race. It was like It was like straight piped, right? Like that. That's the one that was So when they
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were doing the briefing, the safety briefing for us, that thing was ripping
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past on that straight stretch. So it was so loud like inside the building, right?
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We couldn't hear the guy giving the presentation. So we had a BMW i8, we had
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two BMW i8s and they sound cool, right? But it's a partially electric car. You
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could call it a hybrid even though it plugs in and everything, but the thing
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it's like basically it's like a three-cylinder motor with an electric
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and it sounded good. I'm like, "Oh, it sounds like race car and stuff." Then
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that 488 went by. I'm
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like, "No." Is uh Did you guys do a video with King uh with Corsair? No. Uh
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so the Corsair event was bizarre. I can't talk about anything that happened
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at it. Got it. Got it. Besides there was a 488 and a Gallardo. Besides the
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besides the cars. Got it. Yeah. So, and the cars were fun, which was cool. Um,
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so we've got people we've got people posting walls of text in the chat.
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Lionus doesn't read the Twitch chat. I'm reading the Twitch chat. Uh, also,
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you're you're uh you're going to take a little time out there, my friend. Yeah,
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that's right. Oh, are you moderating the chat? Oh, I just I just moderated the
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chat live. This is riveting content right now. That's right. Okay. No, let's
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let's get into the real riveting content. Here is the intro.
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I actually don't know if the music's working. I think it is, but I don't
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know. I'm going to dance to it as if it is. Well, they can't see you. It's fine.
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I'm going to dance to it for you. I mean, I can see you. I can watch you dance, which is great. Um,
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no. I I'm I'm I'm banning I'm banning I'm banning I'm banning Han Solo Cody.
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Yeah, that's right. It's banning time. That's right, dude. We've been here for like 3 minutes and you're banning
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people. It's banning time. It's like it's like uh CES has been a long hard
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track for Lionus. Yeah, this has been rough. It's it's actually been you know
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what it's actually been our most organized year at year at I mean that
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doesn't mean my brain is still working but I mean no one's is at this point but it's it's been pretty organized
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actually. Nick did almost all of our scheduling and I just kind of go where
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I'm supposed to be and take too long there. Dude, every time I've seen you
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you guys seem to have everything together which is impressive. Seam. So,
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we forgot the batteries for our FS5.
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Like, straight up. No batteries whatsoever. One battery and no charger.
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Can you get those locally? We're borrowing from Jay's two cents. By
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the way, we actually have extra batteries if you need them. Massive shout out to Jay's two cents who came
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through unlike Austin Evans in our time of need with an FS5 battery. Wait, what?
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Massive shout out Jay's two cents. You know, the salad. If I could have Jay's
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two cents here on the show instead of Austin. instead of Austin. I would have,
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but the guy's too famous. So, uh, you're stuck with me, unfortunately. So, there
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you go. Um, so let's talk show. Wait, do
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we have to Have you seen anything? I've like Okay, so I've been here since
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Tuesday night. Same time. No, I was here Monday night, I think. I've had almost
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no time to look at anything. I've been like all over the place doing stuff that
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has nothing to do with actual CES. We did a giant road trip around Nevada on
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Wednesday. Um, actually with Jay. Okay.
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We did the whole thing, but I am almost completely in the dark. I've been able
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to walk around the show floor for like an hour. So, why don't we structure the
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show like this, right? I'll explain CES to you. Okay. And you can be um you can
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be like So, you're going to try to impress me right now with CES? Yeah. Okay, let's do it. I'm done. Okay. Okay.
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So, AMD, so original article here is
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from I am really hoping that what I'm about to do right now is going to work.
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I think I just screen shared, but I'm not sure because we're just watching the
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intro again cuz it's a hog. Yeah, it's like
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and here we go. I think it's going to work. Okay, so the original article here
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is from PC World cuz our video is not up yet. Um, but
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apparently apparently AMD Ryzen not
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apparently AMD Ryzen apparently is here. It's here. Is it really here? It is
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here. Here. Wait, when you say it's here as in like can I go buy it yet? Well,
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not that kind of thing. It's not here yet. It's not that kind of here. No, no, it's a different kind of here. Okay. So,
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do you want to know the kind? Are you just gonna be a smartass or you gonna do you want to know what kind of here it
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is? Yes, I am. You invited me here. You should know what you got yourself. Okay. So, I invited you here. Yes. Which means
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physically in this location. So, when I say AMD, Ryzen is here.
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All right. Continue. Okay. That's that's QED right there. I got you. I got you.
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So basically they had the same demos that they did from their live stream
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where they had the Ryzen processor and the $1,000 6t900 K from Intel and they
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had them uh playing a game like playing a like a a playback of a game. So it's
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running in the actual game engine, but no one has to sit there and actually play it. So So they're playing back the
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game and they're streaming to Twitch on both of them at the same time. So
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there's like you basically can tune into the Intel stream or was it like a split
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screen deal? completely separate one B one tower one tower playback and stream.
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Okay, so the idea is is that not only can you game you can also stream. So
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it's kind of putting extra load on the processor and showing you that this can
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actually stream. So not only that, but
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what they're saying is that their I think they call it infinity fabric or
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something. The way that the eight cores communicate with each other makes their
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CPU able to multitask in that way better
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than Intel. Interesting. And so the practical demo that they're doing here
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is noticeably better. Okay. There's less delay on the Ryzen stream, right? And
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there's less blocking and artifact. So what do you mean by there's less delay?
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Because doesn't Twitch kind of introduce a delay built in? Theoretically, yes. I
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didn't think that that delay had anything to do with processing. So I'm
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not going to until I've set up my own test setup where I take like my gigabit
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pipe and I set it up at home or not well
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not I don't have a Gigabyte pipe at home, but I'm just going to have a moment of
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sadness here. Okay. So, so I set it up
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in the in the studio and I see it for
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myself, right, that one of the streams is more or less delayed than the other,
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but what was noticeable was the image quality. For some reason, the AMD stream
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didn't have as much blocking. Now, with that said, what I don't know, so I I I
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did open up all the boxes. Okay. I opened up the machines. It was legit, at
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least hardware wise. Yes, the hardware was legit, but I don't know if there
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could have been any variability in the internet. Did you see like bit rate or
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anything like that? Like what their backend settings were? So, I need to
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validate it for myself, but it's an interesting demo. But it's an
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interesting demo. And the obvious question is, well, why not just use um
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NVNC? Like, why not use your video card to encode? And the answer to that is CPU
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encoding looks better, which is true. So, if you have a processor that can
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game and CPU and code at the same time, then sure, great. Okay. So, then they
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had another demo. They're running Battlefield 1 4K, right? With GTX Titan
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XP, which is like, okay, that sounds
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about right. I mean, given that NVIDIA didn't give the cards to them, I I guess
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AMD actually ran out there and spent like, you know, over a G twice. I mean,
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I feel like AMD might end up buying a couple NVIDIA cards and vice versa from
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time to time. might happen from time to time that might they might make it into
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the Labs, you know, it's uh
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um but they so they had Ryzen and a 6900K playing Battlefield 1. And I'll
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say this, um the the the frame rates
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looked a little slower on Ryzen. Was there an FPS counter or was it just like
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Okay. Okay. Yeah, FPS counter. They had it in the corner so it it was free to
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touch, right? You could navigate the tank exactly in the same spot and you
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could kind of move it around and see how the depths went. fire the gun, see how
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it dips. Yeah. And Ryzen mostly held its
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own. Okay. It's like 96 to 97% of the
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way there. And close. They don't have their dynamic clock boosting on yet. Oh,
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right. Cuz like wasn't the first demo they were showing something like it was like clocked at like 3 GHz, whatever,
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compared to Broadwell. Right. So now they've got it clocked at 3.4. Okay. And
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that's all eight cores. And that's all eight cores. But the rumor is that it's
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going to boost maybe another 300 MHz higher than that. Okay.
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So, that's interesting. Interesting. So, do we have uh an idea of what price is
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going to be on this thing? No. Okay. So, this could be really impressive or just
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kind of whatever. So, there's a couple different ways that AMD can attack this.
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They can either go the route that we've seen cuz okay, how many years has it
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been since we've had a graphics card that has come in and been like 60% as
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fast of the as the flagship or or the like Okay. Okay. Let's say it's like 90%
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as fast as like the next one from the team other team, right? Right. And it
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comes in at like 70% of the price, right? It doesn't happen. Doesn't happen
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anymore. Yeah. I mean, 480 was like pretty good, but then NVIDIA countered
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with the 3 gig 1060 and and and it all kind of the stack made sense again. Your
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laptop just turned off like almost immediately.
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I thought the toll stream just crashed. Sorry. Go ahead. Go ahead. All good. Um
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Jeez, man. Look, that screen just went like black a little too fast. Sorry.
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Sorry. Yeah, I totally got you. Right. So, they they're pretty much going to
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price this whatever they want to. And if they think they can come close to Intel
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performance, they might as well come close to Intel price. But if they do
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that, what do all the AMD fans who have
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been waiting all this time for AMD to come up with something competitive, what
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do they have to show for their for their patients? So AMD is in a position where
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they have to be aggressive, right, to please their fans. I think I
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feel if they go too aggressive, they
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force Intel to react. So AMD needs to
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kind of be like a little bit better. And
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it's almost if like if they give it away, Yeah. they're actually going to
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they're going to screw themselves. So what do you think? What? So say we're
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getting 90% of the performance with Ryzen, right? Just throwing a number out there. So throw a random number. Sure.
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So what if that's like 80% the price? I think that's I think close. Okay. I
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think maybe even So I think it'll be like 80% of the price on the chip and I
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think the board's going to be a little cheaper. Yeah, I agree with that because Intel charges a lot for a chipset. The
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boards were also shown at CES, right? Yes. So, the platform very interesting.
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I thought cuz AMD said, "Look, we're
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we're making a high-end CPU, damn it. And so, we're going high-end." But the
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reality of it is that there's a lot of stuff about HDT, high-end desktop,
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Intel's 2011 3 platform. That makes no
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sense even in an enthusiast computer. Sure. Do you need 40 PCI Express Lanes?
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What What are you hooking up to your PCI Express Lanes? Uh, 18 graphics cards.
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Right. Exactly. Okay. So, do you need all of these PCI Express lanes? Um,
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probably for certain super high uh applications, but I feel like 98% of
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people never actually utilize that. That's right. So, Intel's HDT
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has server DNA. Right. Right. And
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Exactly. That's where it actually makes sense. That's where that stuff makes sense. So, but then Intel's desktop
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platform with its um 16 plus4 PCI
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Express lanes, as soon as you put a graphics in there, it's like all you got
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left is kind of four lanes for your Now we've got NV storage. Exactly. We've got
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SATA drives. We've got like maybe you want to throw in some a couple more PCIe
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cards. Um you know, motherboards are starting to ship with 10 GB networking
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on them that uses a significant amount of bandwidth. Um, so I feel like Intel's
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consumer is almost too consumer. Sure.
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Sure. No, I can totally agree with that. Yeah. So AMD went right in the middle.
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Okay. 24 PCIe lanes off the CPU. So
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that's 16 dedicated for graphics. Yeah. Another four dedicated for NVMe storage.
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Okay. And another four to the chipset to handle your LAN USB 3.1 Gen 2. So when
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you say dedicated, it's not specifically dedicated, right? I believe it is
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because Intel is set up somewhat similarly. That's what DMI 3.0 is. It's
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basically PCIe that goes from the CPU to the chipset that acts as a
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communications hub. So, so AMD has gone
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and positioned Ryzen and their 370X, I think, is the
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the highest end chipset. Yeah. Kind of like dead center.
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Okay. Okay. So, that makes sense. I feel like I mean first of all they've got
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eight cores and it seems like these eight cores are going to be a pretty
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decent step up over what we've had in the past from AMD that's for sure. Yeah.
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So it's like it makes sense that with more cores they're going to there's a
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little bit more room kind of in the middle for them to kind of aim for the
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other features like PCI. That's right. So I'm done with that. I think it makes
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sense. Um and they're giving us a lot there five different chipsets which I
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thought was a little over the top. Yeah. So there's a super low power one designed for very small form factor
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stuff. Okay. There's two that would be considered high-end and enthusiast level
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that will enable overclocking. Ah okay. So they're going a similar and then
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there's two more like a like a mainstream and a business one or something like that. I I forget exactly
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what they all are, but um they're going
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a similar route to Intel on the whole like um you know, pick your page and
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pick your decoder ring and like you get unlocking except that every Ryzen CPU is
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unlocked. So, you don't have to pick a special
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CPU. You just have to buy a special board. Okay, I'm done with that. I'm
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done with that. Why? Like, why not, right? I agree with that move. Yeah,
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absolutely. Because the reality of it is is even on the Intel side, if you're
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going to overclock, you should be buying a decent board anyway. Of course.
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Absolutely. Yeah. And any decent board is going to have a Z series chipset or X
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as it were anyway. Yeah. So, don't lock
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down the CPU. You buy whatever CPU you want and then you buy a decent board
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which presumably will have a top tier chipset and you overclock it. Yeah.
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Absolutely. So, there so far it looks
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like the approach is pretty consumer friendly. Yeah. Yeah.
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I mean, you know, I I'm not one to have
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a ton of faith in any corporation. And I know a corporation is still made up of
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people, but I'm not one to have much faith in a corporation. So, I'm saying
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an entity with a board of directors because boards of directors are not and
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shareholders. Those are not the real people that you interact with, right? Or
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that I interact with. Those are the people who need to make sure that their next bonus is even bigger than the last
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one. That's right. These are these are money people. These are not these are
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not human interaction with customers and with influencers and with resellers
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people. So I have very little faith generally in a corporation to act in a
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consumerfriendly manner. Absolutely. Once they have a product that they can
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sell for $722, I expect them to charge
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$724 with a $2 mail and rebate. Okay,
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that's my expectation. Sign me up for that. Sign me up for that. Yeah. So, it
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is refreshing for me to see
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that this thing is competitive. Yes. And that they're not necessarily going to
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grab the opportunity. With that said, we know nothing about pricing, right? Do we
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have a rough release date at all? Um, I think a rough release date is uh
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sometime in Q1. Oh, okay. So, we're pretty close. Well, they had not only
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like two demo systems. So, they had a lineup of 15 systems from like Origin PC
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and like this weird like Chinese computer brand I'd never heard of. It
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had like this crazy case. Like they had a bunch of partner systems, right? They
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had Ryzen running in like the Vega demo.
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Okay. Okay. There was a Vega demo. Um,
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it is my it is my belief at this time
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that I am the only one who has actually touched Vega. You actually touched it
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here at the show. Not only did you drop it? No. Well, you know what? I did Whoa.
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Whoa. What? I did drop this. I did drop the chip. You actually did. There's a
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dead chip. I did. I did drop the chip. Was it dead before after you dropped it
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before? It wasn't even attached to a GPU. Yeah. So So I was I was playing
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with the chip. I was holding it. I was looking at it and um and I It like fell
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out of my hands. No one was looking at it. Sure. Of course. Yeah. Camera wasn't
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rolling. So it wasn't it wasn't I wasn't like staging it to be funny. It was just
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I was like, "Oh, shoot. I dropped it. Crap. I've never done that before."
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Ever. But no, real Vega. So, our video is coming on that probably tomorrow. And
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okay, so what's the low end there? I feel like we we're like going hard on AMD right now. But other than that, is
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there anything else? Every time we every time we talk about any AMD news, like
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our viewers are just like, I mean, it's it gives us a reason to be excited. It
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is actually an exciting time. I feel like the last couple years have been
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rough. Like, haven't they? It's been it's been rough. It's about time for
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some good news, for some positivity. 2017 like have you played around with
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KBL Lake? No. 7700 K. Not even a little bit. Okay, don't bother. Okay, cool. I
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will not do that. Now we're on the same page. Perfect. Don't bother. Don't save
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your time. Unless Do you want to watch 4K Netflix? You know what? On your
20:01
computer? No, I don't. Okay. No. Then uh Never. Never have I ever. Dude, I don't
20:05
watch Netflix on my computer at all. I'm like I I like watch Netflix either on a
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tablet or just on my TV. Okay. Yeah.
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Yeah. I buy that. the built-in TV apps generally they get a lot of attention
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and Mike uh the TV I use actually has 4K and HDR as well so it's like it's all
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built in like I usually don't like to use like the built-in TV apps but like
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it's all right there like same thing we've been watching like Grand Tour through Amazon 4K HDR touch nothing it's
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actually it's beautiful beautiful show
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uh yours is the um the Samsung one that you did the uh sponsored gaming setup
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thing for right yes uh in that's the same one that I got for World's Most
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Comfortable. Is it? I believe so. I think so. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. It's a
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nice TV. It's a good TV. Now, of course.
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Of course. This year, the TV game is changing. Is it really? Is it actually
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changing? Just wait. Okay. Okay. Okay. I
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I'll give you this. I'll give you this. Samsung is redefining the television
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category. Redefining? Tell me more. With Q dot. Wait. QLED. QLED. Sorry. QLED.
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QLED. There's actually some dot in here, too. I I screwed up and I called it Q
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dot because it's quantum dot. Quantum dot. Wait, but wasn't quantum dot
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already a thing? Yes, but now they're calling it QLED. QLED. So I think the
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the QLED is thing. I think the intent is
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to make it sound like O and look like OLED. Oh yes, sure. Now well speaking of
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OLED, just jumping in. Did you see the Sony OLED? No. Sony now has three TVs. I
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don't know there's a specific brand name for them, but Sony now has three OLED
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TVs and if you like find a picture of them, it's cool because it's essentially
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um it almost looks like an easel sort of thing where like it sits down. It's like
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kind of tilted back. So from the front you just see a super thin bezel and
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there's like nothing below it. So what they're doing is they're doing some interesting stuff with the actual
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speakers where it's actually resonating through the glass. I've heard of stuff
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like that before and it's got a sub in the back. Yeah, you can see right there.
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Here. Um, I'm going to try and screen share with them. Hopefully. Oh. Oh, I
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pressed a bad button. No. No. I think we're good. I think
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we're good. Are we still alive? Yeah, we're we're live. We are live. So, this
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is from the verge.com. Yeah. So, you can see it's there's basically like almost
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no bezel, right? So, and there's nothing there's no bezel on the bottom. And you
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can look at it from the side. So, basically, I don't know if you see any like rear pictures, but it's sort of
22:26
like got like a tilt in the back where there's a sub. But the idea is is that
22:30
not only is it thin, but there's some kind of speaker setup that's like
22:34
actually uses the glass. There you go. But it uses the glass to actually
22:37
resonate. So, I haven't actually heard it. They have the demos up, but
22:40
obviously it's the show floor. But the the Sony rep was talking about how it's
22:43
sort of an interesting experience to have the sound come not from like the bottom of the TV, but actually from like
22:48
around the TV. Yeah, exactly. Just jumping in. But OLED is the game is
22:52
definitely kind of heating up there. So, I feel like Samsung absolutely has to be
22:55
feeling the pressure. So, I did go to LG today. Yeah. And I saw the wallpaper TV.
23:00
I haven't seen that yet. Okay. It mount. Okay. So, all all you need to know to
23:04
know what's amazing. It mounts with magnets.
23:09
It mounts to the wall with magnets. Okay. I need to see this. I I just heard
23:13
about this like an hour ago. Okay. So, it's really cool. It's like So, it's
23:17
fully rollable. Like you can like completely No, no, no, no, no. But like
23:20
they have one in the booth where they have like like a robot ARM that's like
23:24
peeling it up a bit and then putting it back. So you can see how thin it is and
23:28
you can see how it's just like sticking, right? It's crazy thin. And what LG is
23:34
doing is uh you Okay. Do you know how I have my home computer set up with
23:38
Corning optical Thunderbolt? You have it all in the closet? In the Yeah. Going in
23:42
the closet. Okay. So you know Okay. So
23:45
your Samsung TV, you know how it has the one connect? Yeah. Absolutely. So, it
23:49
has a one. It has a single connector, assuming you don't need to plug in hardline networking,
23:54
right? You don't need networking. Yeah.
23:58
No, Wi-Fi is for chumps. Yo, I mean, I literally I have an onhub router like 6
24:02
inches away from my TV which has one Ethernet
24:05
out. I have a switch in the back of the TV, but it's fine. Okay, I'm good. I'm
24:10
fine. So, anyway, the one connect is a single cable that goes to the TV and
24:14
then the the wire the cord is not very long. I think it's only about 4 ft.
24:18
Sure. Yeah, something like that. Yeah. So, so the idea though is that that's
24:21
where all your HDMI inputs go and then the antennas, I think. So, it's like
24:25
clean wiring, right? Anyway, LG is
24:28
taking it one step further. So, they've got a short cable that runs to like a
24:32
speaker bar that sits under it. Um, that also acts as all the inputs and
24:36
everything. Kind of like on their signature last year where it had like that speaker bar base. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
24:40
Yeah. With all the inputs. Okay. So this year they're using an optical cable that
24:46
is pretty short to start but comes with a 6ft extension. Okay. So you can
24:50
actually get like the input nonsense kind of like away from it if you're
24:56
using your own home theater speaker setup and you would basically just have
25:00
this wallpaper TV. How did the actual TV look? Really good. Okay. So it's like
25:05
even being as thin as it is like there was no like was it 1080 4K? Oh it's 4K.
25:10
4K. And what size was it? Um, it was So they're doing 65 and 77. All right.
25:15
Yeah. So about the like the right size. You get any bigger than that, it's like
25:18
the thing's not transportable. Sure. Right. Like how you going to get it home? Yeah.
25:23
This sounds cool. Okay. Interesting. So
25:27
is this still in the concept stage, I'm guessing? No. No. This is going to be a
25:31
real product like Q1. Yeah. It's like Q1. Oh, yeah. It's coming. Yeah. Like
25:35
there's like lots of them here. So there's a bit of a caveat, though. It's
25:40
OLED. it still doesn't achieve the 1000nit peak brightness that is
25:44
considered acceptable for mastering HDR content in the first place. So even
25:48
though LG is supporting all four I didn't even realize there were four all
25:52
four flavors of HDR. So there's HDR10,
25:56
there's Dolby, there's uh Technicolor.
25:59
Okay. And then there's um See, I actually might still have my notes open
26:03
from the LG booth today. Yeah, technic.
26:07
Yeah, cuz I know that there's main 10, which I feel like is probably becoming
26:10
the most popular right now, but I think most like the Xbox One actually Xbox One
26:15
is main 10, I think. Yeah, main 10. That's I think that's the last one.
26:18
Yeah. So, so it supports all four. Although, one thing I do have, but so it
26:23
doesn't achieve that peak brightness that people are looking for. And then they also have a quantum dot competitor.
26:29
And it took me It was so funny. So, I'm
26:32
like, "What is this?" The guy's like, "Nanod." And I'm like, "So, what is it?"
26:36
He's like, "It's a it's it's it's nano particles that are made to optimally
26:42
filter and enhance red and green." And I'm like, "Okay." Or red and blue,
26:46
whatever it is that I think it's red and green. Anyway, whatever. So, I'm like,
26:50
"Okay, so it's quantum dot." And he's like, "No, it's they're 1 nanometer
26:55
instead of like 2 to 12 nmters of our competitors. It's like putting the
26:59
filter closer to your eyes." And I'm like, "Okay, so like how how does it go
27:03
in there?" And he's like, "It's on a film." And I'm like, "Okay, so it's quantum dot." And he's like, "Look,
27:08
we're not supposed to say that." And I'm like, "Dude, what? I have like 18
27:13
minutes in your booth. Is it quantum dot?" And he's like, "Yeah, it's quantum
27:17
dot." But it's like really good quantum dot.
27:21
I'm like, "Okay, like that's fine. I respect that. There's nothing wrong with that. But don't confuse me
27:25
intentionally. Just tell me what it is because it's my job to debsify this
27:31
stuff. Don't BS me. Go go go put that on your flyer at Future Shop or Best Buy.
27:35
Oh, Future Shop doesn't exist anymore or whatever. Canadian. We don't Circus
27:38
City. Yeah, the source. Um, so, so go
27:43
put that on your flyer. I don't care. My audience is too smart for that. They're
27:46
going to kill me and that's going to make me mad at you for you telling me
27:51
the wrong thing to tell them. Don't do that to me. So anyway, so yeah, it's
27:55
quantum dot. So quantum dot. So basically the biggest really real downside there is just the brightness.
28:00
But like on a panel so thin, I feel like I would be willing to kind of give that
28:04
up a little bit. And you know what? Quite frankly, um there's only one piece
28:08
of HDR content that isn't a tech demo that I've that I've seen like Okay, I'll
28:14
say movie actually cuz some of the stuff on Amazon Prime like an ultra HD
28:18
Blu-ray. Um yeah, Life of Pi looks Oh,
28:21
yeah. Unreal. Yeah. In HDR. Yeah. Absolutely unreal. And with the
28:28
signature, which was I think 600 nits peak brightness, I want to say it
28:32
really. Yeah, it wasn't that high. But because the blacks are so deep and I'm
28:35
usually watching in a fairly dim room, I didn't feel like it took away from the
28:38
experience at all. Right. I didn't feel like the whites were not quite dazzling
28:43
enough. Um yeah, I mean that that's a that feels like a really bright TV. I
28:46
didn't realize. So is a 1000 nits for all of the HDR standards or is it
28:50
different depending on the standard? Okay, so it's complicated because this
28:53
whole thing is complicated. OLED gets so there's two different standards there.
28:57
So OLED kind of gets one standard. I see what you mean because the blacks are
29:00
deeper. Right. Because it's not necessarily about the peak brightness as
29:03
much as it is about the contrast. Right. Range. Right. Right. Right. So it's
29:07
different rules for LCDs that can't achieve pure black. Right. So they have
29:12
to go crazy crazy white to burn your retinas. That's right. So So LG's are
29:16
hitting like500 nits peak brightness on the uh
29:20
uh uh uh nano nano dot or whatever they're calling it. Wow. That's a lot. I
29:25
think Samsung's QLED is up near 2,000 or
29:28
something like that. What's the point? Like at that point, like the TV that's
29:31
like got to be insanely bright. So, so the point is not that you would ever
29:36
have the whole TV that bright. In fact, one of the most annoying things about my
29:40
OLED at home because I use it I have a computer hooked up to it. If I open up
29:43
file explorer full screen, whole thing goes down because between oh, we can't
29:48
handle between power like power efficiency like like regulations, right?
29:53
They can't actually draw that much power to have every pixel 100% white. You know
29:58
what this feels like? This feels like car manufacturers getting into like a horsepower war. It's like, well, our car
30:03
can do 200 mph. Wars can do 205. It's like the speed li 65 mph. I don't know
30:07
what you guys are talking about. This feels exactly like that. And to actually punch through the nonsense and test it,
30:12
right, requires actually quite complex
30:15
test patterns because you have to have enough enough dark in the scene to kind
30:21
of trigger the algorithm to go, "Hey, look, I can actually crank the brightness, right, man? Dude, this HDR
30:26
stuff is goofy, right? Like HDR content looks nice, don't get me wrong, but like
30:30
the standards, all the different styles, like it's such a a nightmare. It is a
30:35
total nightmare. Like why do we need four? Like I didn't even realize there were four. I knew of three. It's a
30:39
cluster, man. It's a total cluster. And then on the content creation side of
30:44
things, it gets more complicated. So, this actually had nothing to do with the
30:47
show this year, but I had a great meeting with a guy from Portrait, which
30:52
um formerly Spectracal. Do you know Spectal? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So, they got
30:56
acquired by Portrait. So, now his email is him at Portrait. So, I'm like, "Okay,
30:59
hi. You're you're still you, but now you're you still exist. Good job.
31:03
Different you. Acquired you." So, I had a meeting with him and he goes, "Yeah,
31:08
mastering HDR content is a total disaster. There's one display. It's like
31:13
a 30 something inch display that everyone is using. I forget what the
31:17
number was cuz it at that point it doesn't even really matter. It was like 30,000 or $50,000 or something like
31:23
there's one display and there is the support is like kind of
31:29
iffy. Um, Da Vinci Resolve apparently is like kind of the go-to. I hear a lot
31:33
about that with HDR. Yeah. Um, and he goes, "But there's there's
31:36
like there's like a so so that's why only like huge budget guys, right, are
31:41
able to master an HDR coloring on a $50,000 display, you probably have some
31:44
resources behind you. You can use scopes, right? And you can kind of get
31:48
there, right? But that's not the right way to do it. And if you want if you're
31:52
if you want to grade for an aesthetic, you have to be able to look at it. And
31:56
the thing is, so when you master an HDR,
31:59
and we've I like I've looked into it a little bit, but like I kind of get daunted by just like how much there is.
32:03
Yeah. So HDR is all 10 bit, right? That's my understanding. But like 10 bit
32:08
is not HDR, but HDR is always 10 bit. Or can it be more? Yes. Okay. So at least
32:14
10 bit, right? Which is pretty much all web content like this, for example, is 8
32:17
bit. Like basically everything you watch right now is 8 bit. Yes, YouTube does
32:21
support. It does now. It does now, but it doesn't support 10. It's HDR, which
32:26
is all underneath it. But then there's also the color space is wider. Isn't it
32:29
like 2020? That's right. which is like 30%. I don't know. It's it's it's a
32:34
wider color gamut. Much wider. Yeah. And there's no display on Earth that can get
32:38
anywhere near everything in Rec 2020, which is fine because there's a lot of
32:42
room to grow in it. Um and then and then
32:46
making matters even more complicated is
32:49
that um if you're working with a monitor, so
32:53
let's say so so for example LG is launching some HDR monitors. So, the
32:58
first thing I did, I was like, "Blah, blah blah. Are these suitable for content creation?" And they kind of go,
33:02
"No, we'll get back to you in that." Oh, okay. Okay. That's like a maybe. That's
33:06
a strong maybe. No, that's I don't think it's strong. I think it's I think it's a
33:09
weak sauce. Maybe. Um, and so I so I
33:12
went I went straight to my portrait guy and I'm like, "Hey, do you think we can
33:15
create HDR on this?" He kind of goes, "Yeah, it depends. Can it do a 1000 nits peak brightness? He really wants that."
33:20
Okay. And it depends on what kind of HDR
33:23
it supports. Then then it's dependent on the video card. So it was only this
33:28
generation of Pascal video cards from NVIDIA where they finally allowed 10-
33:32
bit output on the non-quadros. Is that what it was? That's something
33:36
that they've been holding back on quadro for since well for forever pretty much.
33:42
Right. Right. Cuz 10 bit has preceded HDR. 10 bit has been around forever. In
33:46
fact 12 bit video has been around for That's right. Yeah.
33:51
Okay. So basically come on. Basically, this is like Blu-ray versus HD DVD
33:56
except lame and times a thousand. Yes.
33:59
And yeah, pretty much. So, anyway, there's a solution. So there was there's
34:04
a Sony TV that's around 56 grand that's like a 65 in that has a mode
34:10
specifically designed not for mastering HDR but it's designed to behave like an
34:17
HDR mastering display so that the client can sit and look at the TV while the
34:22
colorist is working on the 30,000 40 whatever however many thousands of
34:25
dollars. But what people have discovered is that it's actually very suitable. Oh
34:30
really? So you can use it for everything. So, we're thinking about, hey, maybe we should make a color
34:34
station. Have you guys looked into actually, and we're probably get way in
34:38
the weeds here for a second, but like what the actual workflow is to get HDR
34:42
content onto YouTube. Is it just a simple Okay, I haven't. I think you
34:46
export in Premiere, right? Then you plunk it into Da Vinci Resolve. Oh, this
34:50
is selling. Hold on. Hold on. And then it adds a bunch of metadata, right? And
34:55
then exports. And then you upload with the metadata. That's I've never tried
34:58
it. To be fair, I do know the new version of Final Cut does support Rev
35:01
2020 straight out. So So you can take
35:04
Final Cut. Yeah. And you can put it up your butt. I could do that or I can
35:08
render my beautiful HDR video available now at youtube.com/lines techtips. Yeah.
35:14
As if I would upload your videos. They're far too crispy for my channel,
35:18
my friend. So assuming that you get the
35:21
file out somehow and even if it's a giant pain, you have to like run it through multiple things. Can you just
35:25
upload it to YouTube? Because I know we were looking through there are HDR
35:28
videos that you can watch on YouTube now, right? But there's no clear way of
35:32
knowing that you're watching HDR content unless you pull up like the stats for nerds. It's not there's a little like
35:36
HDR badge like 4K, which is like right, is this even working? And not only that,
35:41
to make things even more complicated, say I get an HDR video to YouTube,
35:44
YouTube compresses it and all that kind of stuff. It sends it out. How do you
35:47
watch HDR YouTube unless you have maybe like a chcast Ultra? That's the only
35:51
device I know that does HDR right now, right? Cuz like there are no computer
35:55
monitors that you could watch it on. Not yet, but soon. There are no phones that
35:58
are HDR compatible maybe. Oh, that's I I Oh, I
36:04
thought Isn't the iPhone 7? It's It's wide gamut. It's wide gamut HDR, not
36:09
HDR. Cuz I I know that uh the iPhone and the iMac, they they both have the same
36:14
It's not uh it has a specific color space that's not the same, but it's it's
36:18
wider. I don't know if it's HDR, though. So, it gets even more complicated there
36:22
because uh I talked to Dell and uh they
36:26
were saying that one of the issues in the industry is that there's lots of
36:30
monitors out there that are going to do better than SDR but not are not up to
36:34
the like the the cinema industry HDR spec and I think
36:39
the industry has basically decided to just call them HDR with like HDR
36:44
certified or some other moniker to come after that. Man, come on. Okay, this is
36:49
actually gross. Let's give up on HDR. Have you seen the 8K display? No, I have
36:54
not seen it, but it sounds crispy, as they might say. Oh, kill me. Um, okay.
37:00
Yo, so did you actually see it yet? I touched it today. You touched it? Okay.
37:04
I touched it. Was it actually? I touched it with my eyeball because that is how
37:10
close I had to get to see a pixel. There's no way you can
37:14
see pixels. There's no way on AK. What? How big is the display? Okay, it's uh
37:18
it's 32 in I believe from Dell. Okay, it's unreal. So, the thing had about 15
37:24
imagine this. Okay, 1,500 clock faces.
37:28
Okay, on a 32-in display. Okay, so it's like like 60 by like 40 or something. I
37:34
I forget I forget what it was, but I like did math in my head and it was
37:37
probably wrong. So, you've got like over well over a thousand clock faces, right?
37:42
I could get right in on them. Okay. And there's like spacing around the clock
37:46
faces. Like there's like a square and then there's like a circle inside and then there's like lines. And then I
37:50
could see I could see the minute lines
37:54
on the clock faces. Okay. Okay. Okay. Can you just calm down
38:00
for a second because I don't think I can handle the stress right now.
38:06
Okay. So I'll just calm down. 8K monitor. So let's come down to Earth for
38:09
a second. Yeah. Can I actually No. Okay.
38:13
Thanks. Go ahead. But whatever you're going to say, no. To connect it to anything, you
38:19
need dual DisplayPort. No. No. No. No. Worse than that. Is it really? Okay,
38:25
here we go. So, step number one. Step number one. It is 10 bit, which is cool.
38:30
Great. Um, it is it has great viewing angles, which is cool. I expect for like
38:35
a million dollar monitor. It has a programmable L which basically means
38:41
that you can calibrate the monitor
38:44
directly. Okay. And then plug it into anything and it will retain the the
38:49
color properties of the printer that you want it to to look like. Right. Okay.
38:55
Okay. Got it. Programmable like if you plug in through the hub, right, the USB
38:58
hub on the monitor and and there's a supported um it's the i1 it's the i1
39:03
display pro. It's like that the standard one that everybody uses. And if you use
39:06
that, it even like fills in all the metadata and crap in the calibration
39:10
program that Delco created with XR. It's like this is over the top. I love it. Go
39:14
ahead. Okay. So, so very cool. Very cool. Um,
39:18
but how do I actually I want to watch some AK video? Not HDR. That's fine. No
39:23
HDR. Okay. I just want pixels that you just want pixels. We just discovered
39:26
that HDR is terrible. And I didn't say
39:29
terrible. Well, okay. It's a disaster. It's a mess. Okay. Okay. Okay. So now it
39:34
is a tiled display. So you remember the early 4K displays guys where I still
39:38
have one of those in my uh in my apartment. Yeah. Right. Okay. So where we were doing two DisplayPort 1.1s in
39:43
Yeah. Okay. So here's the problem.
39:46
DisplayPort 1.2. How high does it go? You remember
39:51
1.2? That was 4K, right? 4K. How many hertz? 60. That's right. Okay. So here's
39:58
I have a comment. Here's a small problem. Yeah. What can I do for you?
40:01
They're working on getting it to work with just one cable, not two. Yeah, of
40:05
course they are. Oh, well, they said you'd be like all thrilled. One cable?
40:10
Are you trying to say that? DisplayPort 1.4, I think. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
40:13
Yeah. We'll talk about that later. Okay. Sorry. Okay. Thank you, Taran. Um, I got
40:18
to get like do a whole Mission Impossible creep over here. All right.
40:22
Um, okay. So, so, right. Okay. So, the
40:25
math is pretty simple then, right? We're two DisplayPort 1.2 4K 60 Hz, right?
40:30
So, a a quarter of the way there. 8K is
40:34
quad that four times that, right? So, but we're not plugging in four display
40:37
ports. Of course not. That would be crazy. Nothing Nothing like that is going to be happening. So, you need
40:42
DisplayPort 1.3, right? Which is not super common. Two of them. 1. What does
40:47
1.3 do? 1.3 I I don't remember. Yeah,
40:51
1.3 does do 5K 60 Hz. So, that's enough
40:55
to drive the 33 million pixels. 33
40:58
million. That's a 33 megapixel. That's right. Wow. Um, so the only cards on the
41:06
market are the latest generation Pascal
41:10
based Quadros, the P3000, the P4000, and
41:15
the P6000. So, you know what? Why don't we just for fun? You know what? Because
41:19
this is the kind of thing that I do for fun. I go on neweag.com, okay? And I get
41:26
really really mad about whatever is taking over my screen right now and I go
41:30
P3000 Quadro. Got it. Let's do it. And
41:34
then I hate my life. Prime time because I can't even buy one. So there's that.
41:40
Uh are they they're on sale though, right? I thought so. I actually I mean
41:44
they they had a demo unit that Okay. No, I mean clearly the computer that they
41:48
had in the booth was running off of some Yeah, it was running off a Quadro,
41:52
right? Okay. Hold, hold on. Why is my Why is my computer Why is my computer
41:55
being a buttthead? Now's not the time. Buttthead. Okay. Quadro
42:00
P6000. Can I buy one? The Quadro stuff. Like I I'm
42:08
You're killing the stream right now, man. I'm probably I'm probably killing the stream. You used all the internet. There's no internet left. Okay. Quadro
42:14
P3000 price. Let's just try good old Google. And I spelled it wrong, but
42:18
Google will fix that for me. Thank you, Google. Google Overlords. So, no one's
42:23
even talking about it. Where Where do I get one? Okay. Wait, are they on sale
42:26
yet, though? I I don't even see anything. No, go. Yeah, I I got nothing.
42:30
Quietly announces. Yeah, announces in July, but like I don't see them. I mean,
42:35
I'm guessing these things are not flying off the shelves right now, but Yeah. So,
42:39
okay. So, there you go. Two DisplayPort 1.3s. So, give up and go home. Oh, and
42:43
did I mention that the monitor costs five grand,
42:48
which actually unreasonable? Yeah, that's not totally insane. That's not that far out
42:52
there compared to like Yeah. I don't know if you guys remember like the old Apple 30-in from like Oh, man. Dude,
42:57
that was like that was that was like 12 years ago. 13 years ago. Yeah. Back when
43:02
the 30-inch monitors first 1440p, right? No, that was Well, uh that was the
43:07
predecessor to 1440p. 2560 x600 back
43:10
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like a bunch of displays side by side. That's right. How does that work? The
44:46
latency is really low. Not like gaming,
44:49
but like for desktop use, it's like that
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could be like an ultimate way of getting like a giant cheap setup if you don't
44:55
want to like get like some Quadro crazy card to like have like a million
44:58
displays or something. Yeah, potentially. I think more people are using it for like uh this is my like
45:03
render machine. Oh, I see. They just gooop over here as if it's a separate
45:08
display, but it's completely different computer, right? That is That's cool.
45:11
That's cool. So, those guys are over at seamless.com/sy
45:17
synergy/Linus-tech-tips. And you can save 25% on synergy if you guys go check
45:20
that out. I'm actually I actually want to go check that out. Those guys are Those guys are going to get those guys
45:24
are going to get a link in the chat. Let's get that a link in the chat. Let's
45:28
get that link going on over there. Yeah, that's right. That's right. That's impressive right there. All right, let's
45:32
go ahead uh go right there. Okay, so
45:36
let's uh let's talk about um do you want do you want me to come up with a topic?
45:40
Cuz I got a pretty good one. I have absolutely no planning whatsoever. I
45:43
just showed up. So, which was nice of you. Okay. Uh have you seen Razer's
45:48
concept triple display notebook? I saw
45:51
everyone talking about it. I actually haven't seen it in person. I haven't seen anything cool at CES yet. Actually,
45:55
I have, but I'll save that for later. me. Is this hug time? You go on camera
46:01
right now. Okay, it's good. Okay, I feel
46:05
better now. Thank you. Okay, this is getting a little close. It's not weird
46:09
enough yet. Okay, sorry. Go ahead. They're very strong.
46:15
All right. Sorry. Words technology. So, you did a video on the
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the triple screen. The It's project what? Um Project Valerie. Valerie.
46:24
Valerie. I love Yo, can we give a shout out to Razer and their amazing project
46:27
names? I feel like every CES they come. Yeah, Christine, dude. Okay, so it's
46:34
essentially Is it similar to like a Blade just with like the screen or like
46:37
is it a fully custom like laptop? It is similar to a Blade Pro. Okay, so the
46:42
17in Blade with the terrible keyboard.
46:45
Is it that bad? It's awful. It's the mechanical one, right? Yeah. I feel like
46:49
I tried it. It wasn't that bad, but I didn't actually like properly use. I just like typed for like 5 seconds.
46:53
Yeah. Not long enough. Okay. I tried to write my review of the Blade Pro on the
46:57
Blade Pro and you couldn't and I switched back to my Blade. I was done.
47:00
Okay, that's that's a resounding recommendation from Mr. Lionus
47:04
Sebastian. I was entirely done, my friend. Um,
47:08
so basically the con so instead of you
47:11
know how any modern notebook these days has like a pretty thin screen like
47:17
display stack, right? They've got like a nice aluminum or like carbon fiber, some
47:21
kind of cool material. They've got like a really thin thing. And then they've got like a really slick display stack. I
47:25
saw Dell's XPS 132 in one. Super thin.
47:28
Beautiful. Super thin. Um, so anyway, the Blade Pro, not a Blade Pro, cuz it's
47:34
just it's about the concept. It's not about the machine it's attached to that
47:38
was just a convenient reason that they didn't have to create something custom
47:41
to show their concept, right? But instead of having a thin display, it had
47:45
like like a display like this, like an old school laptop. Yeah. And then the
47:49
laptop is like this thick. Okay. I mean, that's not crazy. It's 17 in and it's
47:54
like this thick. All right. But I mean, okay, for real though, like, so is this
47:58
your your daily? Yeah, this is my daily. So, it's a 14, right? Yeah. So, if
48:01
you're carrying around a 17-inch laptop, portability is probably not your biggest
48:05
concern. Okay, that's fair. I mean, for
48:09
me, like, if I'm carrying around a laptop that's that big, being a little bit thicker is not going to break it.
48:13
Okay, let me hit you with this then. If portability is not your biggest concern,
48:16
why don't you just carry around a monitor? I mean, I don't carry around a
48:20
17 or a monitor, but in theory, if I was
48:24
a person who was interested in a 17-inch laptop, it's going to be big. So, being
48:27
a little bit bigger and having two extra monitors, that that's kind of
48:32
compelling. I don't know how useful that's going to be, but that's a cool
48:36
idea cuz I feel like, wasn't there another
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uh some dual screen laptop that was like this a few years ago where you would
48:43
open it up and it wasn't three screens, but it was two screens that would like pop out. I don't remember the name of
48:47
it, but do you know what I'm talking about? I don't remember that. Um, like
48:51
Google like dual screen laptop or something, but I'm gonna make a separate argument anyway. So my what I think is
48:57
that you're better off creating an attachment that runs off like
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Thunderbolt 3 and you like how like a clip on that folds up or something
49:06
because that way I don't have to carry it all the time
49:09
or by the time displays get thin enough for that notebook to make any sense. I
49:15
think we're going to have lighter much higher resolution HMDs. Absolutely. And
49:19
I'm gonna sit and look at if I if I need a workspace this big, I'm gonna sit and
49:24
look at it in my HMV. This is what I'm talking about right here. Oh, what is that? The co co This is two 10 in. Yeah.
49:30
Uh co-enisha DZ the DZ. Yeah. So
49:35
basically it's like two 10-in displays. I don't know what the mechanism is. I
49:39
think it was a thing where it kind of like pops out. But I've seen this kind
49:42
of thing before. I've never seen three displays. And everything that I have
49:46
seen was kind of basic. like it was kind it was obviously super thick. This seems
49:50
to be actually even though it's obviously thicker than a traditional screen. It seems like it's like a
49:54
properly designed thing that's actually kind of cool. Yeah, there you go. That's okay. So, here let me just um let me
49:59
just get that on the stream for you guys. So, this is the one that um that
50:03
Austin was talking about. So, it's obviously really clunky and this is a
50:07
little bit of an older design, too. I don't know when it's from, but it's like it's definitely a few years old. Okay,
50:12
so here's project Valerie. Have you at least seen it? I've seen like pictures
50:16
on Twitter. I haven't watched any videos at all since I've been here. Okay. So,
50:19
here, let's uh let's Oh, so wait. So, do the screens actually kind of tilt out
50:23
towards you or are they all flat? So, that depends on which one you're using.
50:26
They actually had two week. Okay. Okay.
50:29
So, uh here we go. So, here's the here's
50:33
the one that really Okay, whatever. Good enough. I mean, Twitch compression is
50:36
going to look like balls anyway. So, this is the one that had like fo Let me
50:41
just make sure I'm actually showing people showing this to people. Yeah, I am. Oh, what did I just do? You actually
50:45
zoomed in. Oh, you opened the the actual image. Okay. Okay. So, this is the one
50:50
that had like fakeo hinges that are like
50:53
the concept for how it would kind of
50:57
like straighten out and then like fold in and slide in with this is the one
51:01
that actually gives you a little bit of surround where there's like it's not just a fully flat setup. Okay. So then
51:06
they also had another one in the suite that had the two outside displays in
51:11
front of the back one and you just kind of slid them out and they were all kind
51:15
of in a straight line. Okay. So that's
51:18
what's working now. No, no, they're both equally thick. That one's working now.
51:22
And the other one just had like concept hinges done up. They were like, "Don't
51:25
pick it up. Don't pick it up. Don't touch it. The hinges will fall off." Have you dropped anything at CES besides
51:30
Ryzen? Uh oh, sorry, PE. I've dropped a few things, but I haven't broken
51:33
anything yet. Oh wow. Good job. I'm actually doing Dude, we're like halfway
51:37
through CES right now, and you haven't broken anything. I'm doing really well this year. Good job, man. So, I'm You're
51:41
pulling your life together. I'm feeling good about that. I wouldn't say I'm pulling my life together, but I'm
51:45
definitely pulling my not dropping things proper together. Yeah, Reddit's
51:49
going to be unhappy, but whatever. Okay. Predator 21X. Yo, dude, I haven't seen
51:54
it yet. It looks so great. It looks like the coolest thing ever. Well, not
51:58
really, but it's so ridiculous. I love it. It's 18 lb.
52:04
I mean, it's got dual 1080s, right? Dual
52:08
1080s. Totally unfettered dual 1080s. No TDP
52:13
restrictions. None of that BS. Does this thing actually have a battery? Yeah.
52:16
It's not very big. Can you like run this thing for like 15 minutes on the
52:20
battery? I didn't even ask. If you It's
52:23
like It's like asking about the fuel economy of a Lamborghini. Yeah. It's
52:26
like So, this thing gets a good highway fuel. Like when I go on a road trip to
52:31
Castlegar, British Columbia, how many times will I have to fill my tank with
52:36
super super premium? No. Okay. Okay. So,
52:40
we've got a 21 in curved display. 21in
52:44
curved display. So, wait, how is the curved display? Cuz I don't think I've
52:47
ever seen a laptop with a curved display. Nobody's ever seen a laptop with a curved display because it's
52:51
bananas. cuz it's completely I mean the clamshell
52:56
like is it like kind of like the surface uh the surface bulk but kind of like in
53:00
reverse where it's like on the front but it's like it's a big it's a big you know
53:04
you flip it upside down you got a big smiley face like it's it like it doesn't
53:07
or a banana shape let's say yeah and we should have put a banana next to it for
53:11
scale which would have been the optimal way to you see the picture of someone
53:14
put a 12-in MacBook on top of it was the most hilarious thing ever oh man no I
53:19
didn't it was it was like yeah I mean you can imagine what that would look Like it was like uh I don't know.
53:25
Terrible. Yeah. Terrible. So, okay. So,
53:28
this thing is custom order though, right? Like this is not like a thing I'm just going to walk into. No. No. I
53:34
talked to them about that. Okay. That was the plan, right? But they've
53:38
actually since reversed that decision. Really? Yes. There was that much
53:41
excitement, that much hype about it. It is not. Okay. So, um, I had a contact of
53:47
mine who you also know, but I'm not going to name this person, reach out to
53:51
me and tell me that if I could steal it from Acer, this contact of mine would
53:56
pay double the sticker price to have it today. Wow. I believe, and apparently
54:03
Acer also believes that there is a market out there. I don't know what
54:07
retailer is going to carry this thing. I mean, can you imagine accepting a return
54:10
$9,000 on a $9,000 laptop? That's That's
54:14
There goes all your profit in the entire laptop category for the day for the
54:18
store. I'm assuming Acer is selling it directly. I would have assumed that too,
54:21
but I I don't think so. Wow. I think they're trying to go because they're a
54:24
channel company, right? Right. I don't think they've ever sold anything directly. I mean, they have an online
54:29
Oh, actually, does Acer even have an online store? I think I think they have
54:33
to figure that out. I think they have to go direct.
54:37
So, what I heard was because they had pre-announced this a while back, right?
54:40
But the CS was the actual proper like this this is an actual thing. It's on
54:44
sale. They've shown it in person before, but this was my first hands-on and they
54:47
had like two of them there. Like it's it's a more real piece of hardware now. I knew it was real when John did a video
54:52
on it, right? So the idea here is that
54:55
for $9,000 you're getting $9,000. It's
54:59
too bad it's not over $9,000, but whatever. Um so 21in display. Yeah.
55:03
You've got dual 1080s curved display. I mean of course naturally. Um it's got a
55:07
mechanical keyboard. Yeah. Is it not terrible or no? Yeah, it's fine. Okay,
55:11
it's fine. I should Yeah, I was about to say you can fit like fulls size keys.
55:14
Yeah, it doesn't have like three or four
55:18
drive like isn't there like multiple PCI
55:21
dual NVMe and then I think it also has a 2 and 1/2 in and then I'm not sure about
55:25
anything else. Okay. Yeah. So, this thing is ridiculous and I love it
55:29
because of that. Yeah. Like this feels like what when I first started going to
55:33
see Yes. way back in 1973. The thing was things were exciting
55:38
and part of it was because I was like minus 14 years old. But like the exciting part was look at all this crazy
55:44
wild stuff that's coming out and I feel like CES is so safe now. It's like oh
55:48
look this laptop is marginally thinner or this phone is slightly faster. This
55:52
is crazy. This is cool. I love that. Pushing the limits. Absolutely. And
55:56
that's what tech should be about. That's what CES should be about. This is I
55:59
absolutely love everything about this. It's a great CES actually. It's not bad,
56:03
man. It's not bad. I mean, my voice has been completely dead all day, but
56:06
besides that, it's not bad. But no, this thing is awesome. I'm totally sad that I
56:11
haven't seen it yet. Is it uh is it Acer? They're suite. Uh it's sad. They
56:15
they So, I had never actually visited them at CES before. Yeah. They rent out
56:19
like the entire floor of like I I forget exactly where we were, but it was like
56:24
it's like a proper space. Huge. Okay. I might have to go try to swing by and see
56:28
that tomorrow cuz that sounds awesome. Uh if you need a contact there, I will
56:32
I'll let you know after the uh after the show. So can I chime in with something
56:35
that I saw at CES? Yes. Have you checked out Faraday Future? No. Okay. Do you
56:40
know anything about Faraday Future? No. Okay. So hit me. Basically Faraday
56:44
Future is a new company that is it has a
56:47
lot of former Tesla employees and essentially what they are doing is they're building I would say a
56:52
competitor to the Tesla Model X. Right. So it's a it's got some goofy. It's like
56:57
FF91 or something. I probably butchered that, but um basically what they're
57:01
doing is they're launching it's a luxury SUV, fully electric, right? So, they're
57:06
definitely taking notes out of Tesla's playbook, right? I mean, it's a fully
57:09
electric vehicle. It's very expensive. It's got screens and stuff, but these
57:12
guys have kind of taken it to the next level. So, you've never seen this at all? No. Look up a picture of it and I
57:17
want your initial reaction if you can like screen cuz it's a polarizing design
57:21
for sure. What they've done is Okay, I'm screen sharing. Okay, let's do it. Let's
57:25
do it. Do it live. What am I looking for? Fair day future. Um I believe it's
57:28
the FF90. Uh, does anyone know Fair Day Future? Was it FF91? No. FF91. Yeah. Oh,
57:34
wow. It's not even It's I mean, they only announced it the other day. They
57:38
actually had like a disastrous press launch where it was supposed to like park itself and it didn't. But it looks
57:43
like a Batmobile. There you go. There you go. No, it
57:46
doesn't. It looks like like something out of Tron maybe. It's or something
57:50
out. Yeah, it's super unique looking.
57:54
Honestly, I will say this. I saw the pictures. I'm like that is hilariously
57:57
ugly. Saw in person it's not that bad. I mean it's still a enormous so it's super
58:02
long right. So they have models with like two and three rows of seats but
58:06
like if you get the two row you're basically seeing like a first class like
58:09
airline seat like it is massive back there. So we got to check it out.
58:13
Marquez and I had actually Marquez did a full video if you guys want to go check
58:16
that out. He went really in depth on it and the whole thing. But essentially
58:20
there are a couple of the cars around. There's one actually at the show floor where you can take a look and that's the
58:24
one I think that you're looking at right there where it's like the full exterior
58:28
like so this is all LED here. Hold on. Let me uh let me go back to uh share
58:32
with them again. Yeah. Yeah. So basically the whole grill right here is
58:35
all LED. Um there also there's like a lighter that pops out of the hood. Um
58:40
there are like lights below for like the inductive charging. On the side they're
58:44
LEDs. I believe they said that there are 13 different displays. Like on the doors
58:49
they're displays. When you sit in the car, each person has their own display
58:52
in the door where they can change like the heated seats and stuff. This thing is wild. It's crazy. But the cool part
58:57
is, so this is the one with the fully done interior and exterior. Um, they
59:02
said it's basically what the production car is going to look like. And this is going to be shipping. I believe you can
59:06
actually purchase one uh already if you pre-order. Um, I don't know what the
59:09
actual price is going to be, but I know you can drop $5,000 on a pre-order,
59:13
which of course, you know, for a car. But what we actually got to do, what was
59:16
cool, was we actually got to drive in it. So they had a couple of sort of beta
59:21
models of the car. So the first one was the autonomous driving. I think it was
59:24
the same one that they showed. So at their actual press conference, I think I
59:28
was I didn't actually watch it, but I what I heard is that they did it twice and one of the times it failed. Yeah, I
59:34
heard that. Yeah, we actually got to do it. It was a fairly simple demo.
59:37
Honestly, it was not anything crazy. We basically got in the car, it drove
59:40
around the parking lot, found a spot, pulled in. Okay, sure. Not crazy. Cool.
59:44
What was really cool is we actually got to drive in the performance test. So
59:47
they had this enti giant like basically airline hanger looking thing, right? It
59:52
wasn't an actual airline hanger, but a huge inside space. It was all kind of
59:55
roped off. So the main test driver who's like doing all like the shakedown, super
59:59
passionate guy, right? And if you watch Marquez's video, you'll see he's the guy
60:03
who's who's actually driving the car. So we did a little, you know, kind of like
60:07
driving around. Mind you, this is an enormous vehicle, right? It's hard to
60:10
get an idea. Like for scale, maybe like a Chevy Suburban, it's like something
60:14
like that. It's much bigger than a Model X. Now, I don't know the exact It's
60:18
huge. And you can kind of see in the pictures where it's like it's very long and stretched, right? Big big vehicle.
60:22
It's allseason tires. Like this is not like this should not be a crazy
60:26
performance vehicle. So, we started doing like some skid pad stuff, some slow stuff. Then we did a launch. This
60:31
thing is unbelievably fast. Huh. So,
60:34
have you ever done like a launch like a Tesla? I have never been inside a Tesla.
60:38
Never really. We should do that. But, okay. So, Teslas are fast. And one of
60:43
the things that make electric cars really quick is that the fact that they get that instant torque, right? You hit
60:47
the motor, it's not like it's got to spin up and change gears. You get 100%
60:50
of power immediately. Yeah. So, this
60:53
giant giant car, SUV, crossover,
60:56
whatever you want to call it. Yeah. Will do 0 to 60 in 2.3 seconds. What? 2.3?
61:02
For comparison, that Lamborghini you did is probably somewhere in the 3se second
61:05
range. Yeah. No, no, it's much lower than that. Yeah. Yeah. So, hold on.
61:09
Well, let's let's look it up. cuz I'm pretty sure 2.39 is what they quoted
61:13
which seems kind of cheeky because the Tesla will do 2.4. So like 2.4 how slow?
61:18
We do 2.39 like it makes a difference but this thing launches unbelievably
61:23
fast. It is an enormous enormous vehicle on allseason tires. is unreal is like
61:29
when they launched it like it really felt like have you ever been on like one of those roller coaster rides where it's
61:33
like you're at a stop and it'll like do like they like launch you like it's just
61:37
like that instant immediate like that first half second where you like go from
61:40
zero to like 30 it feels like it was crazy and I've been in Teslas and I mean
61:44
it's not crazy different but the difference is this thing is enormous.
61:48
No, you're right. You're right. Yeah, it's probably somewhere in the sort of
61:52
the Aventador. I don't think I see the uh you had the uh Gallardo. Yeah, the
61:56
Gallardo. It's going to be three, maybe low four, but this thing is 2.4 seconds,
62:01
2.39. Fairy Future is a company that has a lot of issues as far as like the whole
62:06
like they're trying to build like a factory in North Las Vegas, which apparently they've been having a lot of
62:10
issues with funding. There's like there's a lot of like behind the scenes
62:13
thing, but keep in mind this company is brand new, right? They've never created
62:17
anything. Uh, one of the guys said that they're 1500 employees already. Like
62:21
this is the first uh car, but obviously the idea is that they're going to be building more. Like they've got the
62:25
chassis and the motors and stuff. This thing has like a 1000 horsepower, by the way. And it's supposed to have uh I
62:30
think 130 kilowatt hour battery, which is probably why it's so long, right?
62:34
It's a super interesting thing. I think a lot of people are afraid it's going to
62:38
be vapor and that the company may not actually be able to pull through, but
62:41
from what I saw, they've got something cool here. I think it's a little bit
62:47
polarizing on the looks front, but the interior that I saw was cool. But most
62:51
importantly, the performance is real. Like it's an actual thing that they are.
62:55
it might not be ready for prime time and next year it might not be ready to
62:59
actually be on sale. But it was really surprising after hearing all like the
63:04
the negative stuff around because I mean they're a fairly private company right
63:07
now since they actually haven't like released a product. But I've got to say
63:11
for everything I've seen at CES so far besides one thing which is going to be
63:14
in a video soon I can't talk about. But besides that, this is one of the coolest
63:18
things I saw. Okay. So yeah, that's significantly faster than my motorcycle.
63:23
What What do you have? Uh it's an SV 650S and I think that gets uh looking
63:27
just looking it up online somewhere in the neighborhood of 3.3 seconds which is
63:31
insanely fast. Yeah. But this is like a giant giant like SUV like a boat. Wow.
63:37
It's crazy. 1 horsepower. 1 horsepower.
63:41
So yeah fascinating. That is one of the coolest things I've seen in a while. I
63:45
did not expect it to be as actually legit as it was. Here's a cool thing
63:49
that I saw. Um, LG has abandoned the modular smartphone concept after one
63:54
attempt. So, um, in response to all the
63:59
haters that I got on my G5 review, which
64:02
was not a very positive review, I did get a couple things sort of wrong, which
64:06
happens from time to time. Uh, you know how it is. Um, in response to all the
64:10
haters, this is the best thing ever. My friends and I all own G5s. We think it's
64:14
the best thing since sliced bread. Um, apparently more people agreed with me
64:19
because it's dead. The thing was they
64:22
didn't really do it right. No, they immediately got upstaged by the Moto Z,
64:26
which you just snap it on. You've played with Moto Z, right? I have. It's a much
64:29
better way of doing it versus turning the phone off, taking it out, clipping
64:33
on with the battery, which always felt to me like this is like you're going to
64:36
break it. Yes. And then you have to put it back in and reboot it, and then it
64:39
was always like everything had to be on the bottom, right? Whereas being able to
64:42
snap stuff on the back, I think, was a better solution. Very cool. And plus,
64:46
not only that, but Project Ara died uh what, a couple months ago, right? So,
64:50
the modular smartphone thing. I don't know. So, it's try they're trying to go
64:54
modular smartphone. And at the same time, Apple's getting even tighter
64:57
integrated and now we're waterproof and we're this and we're that. And it's it's
65:02
it's hard to compete with. Look, I feel
65:05
like purpose-built device for mainstream consumer stuff. the idea of being able
65:10
to open it up and to be modular and to be able to customize it. I feel like
65:14
that battle was lost a while ago. For enthusiasts, sure, but for mainstream
65:18
stuff, like you can't there's not a whole lot you can do. Like if what if
65:22
you open that laptop, what can you do to it? I can change the SSD and the
65:25
wireless card. Perfect. Super awesomely upgradeable, right? And this is not even
65:29
like a mainstream laptop, I would argue. Like this is very high-end. This is
65:32
something that was Yeah. So, I feel like
65:36
with something like a smartphone, modularity is cool, but like something
65:40
like Project R kind of struck me as a thing where it's like this is a cool
65:43
idea in theory, but like who is exactly
65:46
going to buy this phone? Yeah. So, I don't know. I The G5 was a cool phone. I
65:51
didn't really dislike it that much. I just thought that it was a little goofy
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and also I didn't like the sort of plastic metal finish on it. Right. But,
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I'm not surprised. Okay. Well, I think
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that's pretty much it for uh for my topics. I mean, there's a couple other
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little things. There's a new HDMI spec uh 2.1. 2.1. So, that actually is 8K
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ready, right? Yes, it is. So, dynamic HDR, 8K resolution, and more. And more.
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My favorite part. Um, also that shiny new wallpaper TV, blah blah blah. I've
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got to go check that. Is that the LG booth? Uh, yeah. Yeah, dude. I've got to check that. Don't expect any updates and
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it's out of date already. Basically, HMI 2.1. So, there you go. I I mean it
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doesn't matter because you don't need 8K support on a 4K TV, but um isn't that
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how that works? You know, more pixels are better, right? I'm frustrated at the
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way that the TV makers treat TVs like a one year and done. Oh, dude. Absolutely.
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So, I I asked LG, I was like, "Hey, so the signature, is that getting support
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for those two additional HDR um formats that the new TVs are the 2017
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models are getting?" Like, they're like, "No." And I'm like, you understand this
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is an $8,000 product, right? On some level. You know what surprises me? Same
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thing with cars, right? So, you can buy a car and it's like the next year
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there's like, oh, look, we're adding like Android Auto and CarPlay. Seems like it should be a software update.
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Like, oh no, you have to buy a new car. Yeah. It's like, are you are you kidding
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me? It's like it's like I feel like the
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reason aside from just being cheapcapes, like not investing the R&D, I feel like
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the main reason is actually this
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incredibly myopic attempt to not
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cannibalize sales of the new product. Yeah. And what it demonstrates to me is
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a complete and utter lack of understanding of what the upgrade cycle
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for a major purchase like a high-end TV or a car would be. Right? That's not a
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yearly thing. No, a 20 basically all
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you've done, you haven't incentivized a
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2016 customer to get your new OLED. You
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have given them a gigantic like 3inch
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girth dildo up the butt. It's pretty
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accurate for buying from you. That's what you've done.
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Yeah, I agree. You screwed them. You bent them over and screwed them. And
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then what? You expect them to care that you added some stupid new feature that
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you're not giving to them because you're a jerk. I and when it's actually time
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for them to replace that TV in five years, right? You think they want to
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come to you? I mean, they don't really have a choice because nobody's doing
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this properly right now, right? But 5 years from now,
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frustrating. I don't know, man. I don't know. So, that's my take on that. That's
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just a short rant. Yeah. So, I think that's pretty much it. Uh, thank you
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guys very much for watching the WAN Show. Huge shout out to Austin. You guys
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got to go check him out over at uh Austin, not Duncan 333303. You You tell
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them where to find you. I don't know. Um Austin Evans on YouTube. That's right.
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That's all I really Hey guys. Hey guys. This is Austin and I have no voice. Hey
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guys, this is Austin and I'm I'm annoying. Yeah, it's completely accurate
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on all fronts. So you guys go check him out. He's going to have presumably at
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least one video from CES. We've been down here for like four years. I've
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actually already shot three videos, but they're all being spaced out. Yeah, I'm
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just spacing them out. The content calendar, the schedule, you know,
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production words, you know, I got like a team. We got to have like a meeting and
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Well, to be fair, we are supposed to be editing a video right now and people are texting me that the video is due and I'm
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like here with you. So, so I'll let you go. All right. Thanks, guys, for tuning
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in to the WAN Show and we will see you again next week. Uh, not at the same
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time, but definitely on the same channel, probably with 100% more Luke, I
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hope. Yeah, I hope so. He's in uh he's in pretty rough shape. Poor guy. He's
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got to get up so early tomorrow, man.