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Okay. And theoretically, we're live.

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Live, I think. Not alive. Just live. I'm

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definitely not alive right now. CES, man. It is CES. Uh Brandon, don't leave

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yet. Uh because someone needs to check and see if the Twitch stream is actually

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working. Or are we just talking to ourselves right now like we have been doing all day? Yeah. Uh no, I I talked

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to um I had a meeting with Kingston. Okay. I talked to them. Okay. Were they

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alive? They were not. Uh, they were alive but barely. That sounds about

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right. Yeah. And they were more alive than my contact at Corsair. Got it. Who

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is definitely not alive? Who made it through a presentation only to basically

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I had a meeting with King. It does actually look like we are

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indeed live. So, uh, people are saying it works, which is sort of amazing. And,

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uh, there you go. So, here we go, guys. It's WAN Show time. I've got a special

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guest, Austin, here. And uh we're going to be talking pretty much CES stuff.

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Yeah. Um Luke is Oh yeah. Where is Luke?

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Oh, hold on. Hold on. What? One person

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says echo. So Oh, you know what? You

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know what? I had the uh I had the Twitch stream playing for like for like a

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second. I think that was it. So, um yeah. So, Luke isn't here because he has

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to get up at uh 5 in the morning tomorrow. That sounds exciting.

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Actually, probably around 4:45. I was up at 6:00 this morning. Does that count

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for anything? Was that for um was that for like a special event? Okay, cool.

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Are you able to talk about that at all? Like, was it pretty cool? Yes, we got to

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do a test drive on a track with BMW with the i8. So, I got to do some hot laps

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with an actual race car driver. It was I didn't completely embarrass myself. I

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was really proud. Really? I almost spun the car once, but I I was able to save

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it. Very nice. So, tell me something. Did you What was your best lap time? It

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was So you guys went to Speed Vegas, right? Actually, I can I can pull it up.

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I think it was like 76. Tie game. Tie game. But what did you

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drive here? Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. I had a BMW i8. Okay. Uh let me let me

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just pull up uh my picture that I took. Uh suspense is real. I know, right?

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You're going to say like I got a 55. No big deal. Okay. Here we go. Here we go.

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Hold on. So uh wait, where where am I? Uh Sebastian Linus. Okay. So, there's

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me. I was in a Gallardo. Oh, 76. Yo, no.

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78 right there. So, what were you? No, no, no, no. Your best dime is 76. Oh,

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best. Oh, 76. Mine was 76. But like, dude, like your car had like twice as

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much power as mine. Why don't you cry some more? We tied. We

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tied. Wait, what was your top speed? What was your top speed? Mine was 134. I

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don't know what my probably was way higher. Uh 138. Oh, wow. Okay. Yeah, the

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Gallardo is not like the most amazing one they have there. I drove the Huracan

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as well. And the 488, man, that 488 was mean. Did you hear that thing? Sound

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like a proper race. It was like It was like straight piped, right? Like that. That's the one that was So when they

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were doing the briefing, the safety briefing for us, that thing was ripping

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past on that straight stretch. So it was so loud like inside the building, right?

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We couldn't hear the guy giving the presentation. So we had a BMW i8, we had

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two BMW i8s and they sound cool, right? But it's a partially electric car. You

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could call it a hybrid even though it plugs in and everything, but the thing

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it's like basically it's like a three-cylinder motor with an electric

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and it sounded good. I'm like, "Oh, it sounds like race car and stuff." Then

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that 488 went by. I'm

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like, "No." Is uh Did you guys do a video with King uh with Corsair? No. Uh

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so the Corsair event was bizarre. I can't talk about anything that happened

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at it. Got it. Got it. Besides there was a 488 and a Gallardo. Besides the

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besides the cars. Got it. Yeah. So, and the cars were fun, which was cool. Um,

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so we've got people we've got people posting walls of text in the chat.

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Lionus doesn't read the Twitch chat. I'm reading the Twitch chat. Uh, also,

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you're you're uh you're going to take a little time out there, my friend. Yeah,

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that's right. Oh, are you moderating the chat? Oh, I just I just moderated the

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chat live. This is riveting content right now. That's right. Okay. No, let's

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let's get into the real riveting content. Here is the intro.

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I actually don't know if the music's working. I think it is, but I don't

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know. I'm going to dance to it as if it is. Well, they can't see you. It's fine.

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I'm going to dance to it for you. I mean, I can see you. I can watch you dance, which is great. Um,

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no. I I'm I'm I'm banning I'm banning I'm banning I'm banning Han Solo Cody.

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Yeah, that's right. It's banning time. That's right, dude. We've been here for like 3 minutes and you're banning

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people. It's banning time. It's like it's like uh CES has been a long hard

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track for Lionus. Yeah, this has been rough. It's it's actually been you know

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what it's actually been our most organized year at year at I mean that

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doesn't mean my brain is still working but I mean no one's is at this point but it's it's been pretty organized

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actually. Nick did almost all of our scheduling and I just kind of go where

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I'm supposed to be and take too long there. Dude, every time I've seen you

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you guys seem to have everything together which is impressive. Seam. So,

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we forgot the batteries for our FS5.

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Like, straight up. No batteries whatsoever. One battery and no charger.

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Can you get those locally? We're borrowing from Jay's two cents. By

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the way, we actually have extra batteries if you need them. Massive shout out to Jay's two cents who came

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through unlike Austin Evans in our time of need with an FS5 battery. Wait, what?

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Massive shout out Jay's two cents. You know, the salad. If I could have Jay's

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two cents here on the show instead of Austin. instead of Austin. I would have,

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but the guy's too famous. So, uh, you're stuck with me, unfortunately. So, there

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you go. Um, so let's talk show. Wait, do

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we have to Have you seen anything? I've like Okay, so I've been here since

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Tuesday night. Same time. No, I was here Monday night, I think. I've had almost

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no time to look at anything. I've been like all over the place doing stuff that

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has nothing to do with actual CES. We did a giant road trip around Nevada on

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Wednesday. Um, actually with Jay. Okay.

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We did the whole thing, but I am almost completely in the dark. I've been able

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to walk around the show floor for like an hour. So, why don't we structure the

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show like this, right? I'll explain CES to you. Okay. And you can be um you can

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be like So, you're going to try to impress me right now with CES? Yeah. Okay, let's do it. I'm done. Okay. Okay.

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So, AMD, so original article here is

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from I am really hoping that what I'm about to do right now is going to work.

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I think I just screen shared, but I'm not sure because we're just watching the

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intro again cuz it's a hog. Yeah, it's like

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and here we go. I think it's going to work. Okay, so the original article here

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is from PC World cuz our video is not up yet. Um, but

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apparently apparently AMD Ryzen not

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apparently AMD Ryzen apparently is here. It's here. Is it really here? It is

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here. Here. Wait, when you say it's here as in like can I go buy it yet? Well,

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not that kind of thing. It's not here yet. It's not that kind of here. No, no, it's a different kind of here. Okay. So,

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do you want to know the kind? Are you just gonna be a smartass or you gonna do you want to know what kind of here it

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is? Yes, I am. You invited me here. You should know what you got yourself. Okay. So, I invited you here. Yes. Which means

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physically in this location. So, when I say AMD, Ryzen is here.

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All right. Continue. Okay. That's that's QED right there. I got you. I got you.

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So basically they had the same demos that they did from their live stream

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where they had the Ryzen processor and the $1,000 6t900 K from Intel and they

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had them uh playing a game like playing a like a a playback of a game. So it's

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running in the actual game engine, but no one has to sit there and actually play it. So So they're playing back the

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game and they're streaming to Twitch on both of them at the same time. So

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there's like you basically can tune into the Intel stream or was it like a split

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screen deal? completely separate one B one tower one tower playback and stream.

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Okay, so the idea is is that not only can you game you can also stream. So

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it's kind of putting extra load on the processor and showing you that this can

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actually stream. So not only that, but

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what they're saying is that their I think they call it infinity fabric or

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something. The way that the eight cores communicate with each other makes their

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CPU able to multitask in that way better

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than Intel. Interesting. And so the practical demo that they're doing here

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is noticeably better. Okay. There's less delay on the Ryzen stream, right? And

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there's less blocking and artifact. So what do you mean by there's less delay?

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Because doesn't Twitch kind of introduce a delay built in? Theoretically, yes. I

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didn't think that that delay had anything to do with processing. So I'm

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not going to until I've set up my own test setup where I take like my gigabit

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pipe and I set it up at home or not well

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not I don't have a Gigabyte pipe at home, but I'm just going to have a moment of

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sadness here. Okay. So, so I set it up

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in the in the studio and I see it for

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myself, right, that one of the streams is more or less delayed than the other,

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but what was noticeable was the image quality. For some reason, the AMD stream

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didn't have as much blocking. Now, with that said, what I don't know, so I I I

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did open up all the boxes. Okay. I opened up the machines. It was legit, at

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least hardware wise. Yes, the hardware was legit, but I don't know if there

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could have been any variability in the internet. Did you see like bit rate or

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anything like that? Like what their backend settings were? So, I need to

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validate it for myself, but it's an interesting demo. But it's an

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interesting demo. And the obvious question is, well, why not just use um

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NVNC? Like, why not use your video card to encode? And the answer to that is CPU

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encoding looks better, which is true. So, if you have a processor that can

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game and CPU and code at the same time, then sure, great. Okay. So, then they

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had another demo. They're running Battlefield 1 4K, right? With GTX Titan

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XP, which is like, okay, that sounds

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about right. I mean, given that NVIDIA didn't give the cards to them, I I guess

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AMD actually ran out there and spent like, you know, over a G twice. I mean,

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I feel like AMD might end up buying a couple NVIDIA cards and vice versa from

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time to time. might happen from time to time that might they might make it into

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the Labs, you know, it's uh

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um but they so they had Ryzen and a 6900K playing Battlefield 1. And I'll

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say this, um the the the frame rates

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looked a little slower on Ryzen. Was there an FPS counter or was it just like

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Okay. Okay. Yeah, FPS counter. They had it in the corner so it it was free to

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touch, right? You could navigate the tank exactly in the same spot and you

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could kind of move it around and see how the depths went. fire the gun, see how

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it dips. Yeah. And Ryzen mostly held its

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own. Okay. It's like 96 to 97% of the

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way there. And close. They don't have their dynamic clock boosting on yet. Oh,

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right. Cuz like wasn't the first demo they were showing something like it was like clocked at like 3 GHz, whatever,

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compared to Broadwell. Right. So now they've got it clocked at 3.4. Okay. And

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that's all eight cores. And that's all eight cores. But the rumor is that it's

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going to boost maybe another 300 MHz higher than that. Okay.

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So, that's interesting. Interesting. So, do we have uh an idea of what price is

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going to be on this thing? No. Okay. So, this could be really impressive or just

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kind of whatever. So, there's a couple different ways that AMD can attack this.

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They can either go the route that we've seen cuz okay, how many years has it

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been since we've had a graphics card that has come in and been like 60% as

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fast of the as the flagship or or the like Okay. Okay. Let's say it's like 90%

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as fast as like the next one from the team other team, right? Right. And it

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comes in at like 70% of the price, right? It doesn't happen. Doesn't happen

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anymore. Yeah. I mean, 480 was like pretty good, but then NVIDIA countered

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with the 3 gig 1060 and and and it all kind of the stack made sense again. Your

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laptop just turned off like almost immediately.

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I thought the toll stream just crashed. Sorry. Go ahead. Go ahead. All good. Um

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Jeez, man. Look, that screen just went like black a little too fast. Sorry.

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Sorry. Yeah, I totally got you. Right. So, they they're pretty much going to

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price this whatever they want to. And if they think they can come close to Intel

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performance, they might as well come close to Intel price. But if they do

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that, what do all the AMD fans who have

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been waiting all this time for AMD to come up with something competitive, what

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do they have to show for their for their patients? So AMD is in a position where

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they have to be aggressive, right, to please their fans. I think I

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feel if they go too aggressive, they

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force Intel to react. So AMD needs to

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kind of be like a little bit better. And

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it's almost if like if they give it away, Yeah. they're actually going to

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they're going to screw themselves. So what do you think? What? So say we're

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getting 90% of the performance with Ryzen, right? Just throwing a number out there. So throw a random number. Sure.

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So what if that's like 80% the price? I think that's I think close. Okay. I

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think maybe even So I think it'll be like 80% of the price on the chip and I

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think the board's going to be a little cheaper. Yeah, I agree with that because Intel charges a lot for a chipset. The

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boards were also shown at CES, right? Yes. So, the platform very interesting.

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I thought cuz AMD said, "Look, we're

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we're making a high-end CPU, damn it. And so, we're going high-end." But the

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reality of it is that there's a lot of stuff about HDT, high-end desktop,

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Intel's 2011 3 platform. That makes no

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sense even in an enthusiast computer. Sure. Do you need 40 PCI Express Lanes?

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What What are you hooking up to your PCI Express Lanes? Uh, 18 graphics cards.

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Right. Exactly. Okay. So, do you need all of these PCI Express lanes? Um,

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probably for certain super high uh applications, but I feel like 98% of

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people never actually utilize that. That's right. So, Intel's HDT

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has server DNA. Right. Right. And

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Exactly. That's where it actually makes sense. That's where that stuff makes sense. So, but then Intel's desktop

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platform with its um 16 plus4 PCI

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Express lanes, as soon as you put a graphics in there, it's like all you got

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left is kind of four lanes for your Now we've got NV storage. Exactly. We've got

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SATA drives. We've got like maybe you want to throw in some a couple more PCIe

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cards. Um you know, motherboards are starting to ship with 10 GB networking

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on them that uses a significant amount of bandwidth. Um, so I feel like Intel's

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consumer is almost too consumer. Sure.

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Sure. No, I can totally agree with that. Yeah. So AMD went right in the middle.

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Okay. 24 PCIe lanes off the CPU. So

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that's 16 dedicated for graphics. Yeah. Another four dedicated for NVMe storage.

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Okay. And another four to the chipset to handle your LAN USB 3.1 Gen 2. So when

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you say dedicated, it's not specifically dedicated, right? I believe it is

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because Intel is set up somewhat similarly. That's what DMI 3.0 is. It's

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basically PCIe that goes from the CPU to the chipset that acts as a

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communications hub. So, so AMD has gone

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and positioned Ryzen and their 370X, I think, is the

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the highest end chipset. Yeah. Kind of like dead center.

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Okay. Okay. So, that makes sense. I feel like I mean first of all they've got

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eight cores and it seems like these eight cores are going to be a pretty

00:15:29.120 --> 00:15:34.800
decent step up over what we've had in the past from AMD that's for sure. Yeah.

00:15:32.399 --> 00:15:38.079
So it's like it makes sense that with more cores they're going to there's a

00:15:36.560 --> 00:15:42.000
little bit more room kind of in the middle for them to kind of aim for the

00:15:39.760 --> 00:15:46.720
other features like PCI. That's right. So I'm done with that. I think it makes

00:15:44.480 --> 00:15:49.839
sense. Um and they're giving us a lot there five different chipsets which I

00:15:48.399 --> 00:15:55.360
thought was a little over the top. Yeah. So there's a super low power one designed for very small form factor

00:15:53.360 --> 00:15:59.839
stuff. Okay. There's two that would be considered high-end and enthusiast level

00:15:57.199 --> 00:16:02.720
that will enable overclocking. Ah okay. So they're going a similar and then

00:16:01.519 --> 00:16:08.560
there's two more like a like a mainstream and a business one or something like that. I I forget exactly

00:16:05.360 --> 00:16:11.040
what they all are, but um they're going

00:16:08.560 --> 00:16:16.959
a similar route to Intel on the whole like um you know, pick your page and

00:16:14.720 --> 00:16:22.639
pick your decoder ring and like you get unlocking except that every Ryzen CPU is

00:16:20.800 --> 00:16:26.320
unlocked. So, you don't have to pick a special

00:16:24.120 --> 00:16:29.920
CPU. You just have to buy a special board. Okay, I'm done with that. I'm

00:16:28.560 --> 00:16:33.600
done with that. Why? Like, why not, right? I agree with that move. Yeah,

00:16:32.000 --> 00:16:37.839
absolutely. Because the reality of it is is even on the Intel side, if you're

00:16:36.000 --> 00:16:41.839
going to overclock, you should be buying a decent board anyway. Of course.

00:16:39.600 --> 00:16:47.839
Absolutely. Yeah. And any decent board is going to have a Z series chipset or X

00:16:44.720 --> 00:16:50.000
as it were anyway. Yeah. So, don't lock

00:16:47.839 --> 00:16:53.600
down the CPU. You buy whatever CPU you want and then you buy a decent board

00:16:52.160 --> 00:16:58.399
which presumably will have a top tier chipset and you overclock it. Yeah.

00:16:55.199 --> 00:17:00.560
Absolutely. So, there so far it looks

00:16:58.399 --> 00:17:05.520
like the approach is pretty consumer friendly. Yeah. Yeah.

00:17:02.399 --> 00:17:08.079
I mean, you know, I I'm not one to have

00:17:05.520 --> 00:17:12.799
a ton of faith in any corporation. And I know a corporation is still made up of

00:17:10.160 --> 00:17:16.959
people, but I'm not one to have much faith in a corporation. So, I'm saying

00:17:14.799 --> 00:17:21.199
an entity with a board of directors because boards of directors are not and

00:17:19.240 --> 00:17:24.640
shareholders. Those are not the real people that you interact with, right? Or

00:17:23.280 --> 00:17:28.559
that I interact with. Those are the people who need to make sure that their next bonus is even bigger than the last

00:17:27.280 --> 00:17:33.360
one. That's right. These are these are money people. These are not these are

00:17:30.480 --> 00:17:38.960
not human interaction with customers and with influencers and with resellers

00:17:36.160 --> 00:17:43.760
people. So I have very little faith generally in a corporation to act in a

00:17:41.919 --> 00:17:48.039
consumerfriendly manner. Absolutely. Once they have a product that they can

00:17:45.440 --> 00:17:55.360
sell for $722, I expect them to charge

00:17:50.760 --> 00:17:56.640
$724 with a $2 mail and rebate. Okay,

00:17:55.360 --> 00:18:02.120
that's my expectation. Sign me up for that. Sign me up for that. Yeah. So, it

00:17:59.120 --> 00:18:05.039
is refreshing for me to see

00:18:02.120 --> 00:18:07.919
that this thing is competitive. Yes. And that they're not necessarily going to

00:18:06.640 --> 00:18:12.400
grab the opportunity. With that said, we know nothing about pricing, right? Do we

00:18:09.679 --> 00:18:18.000
have a rough release date at all? Um, I think a rough release date is uh

00:18:15.360 --> 00:18:23.039
sometime in Q1. Oh, okay. So, we're pretty close. Well, they had not only

00:18:20.240 --> 00:18:29.200
like two demo systems. So, they had a lineup of 15 systems from like Origin PC

00:18:27.120 --> 00:18:32.240
and like this weird like Chinese computer brand I'd never heard of. It

00:18:30.640 --> 00:18:38.240
had like this crazy case. Like they had a bunch of partner systems, right? They

00:18:34.640 --> 00:18:41.600
had Ryzen running in like the Vega demo.

00:18:38.240 --> 00:18:44.799
Okay. Okay. There was a Vega demo. Um,

00:18:41.600 --> 00:18:47.440
it is my it is my belief at this time

00:18:44.799 --> 00:18:52.400
that I am the only one who has actually touched Vega. You actually touched it

00:18:49.679 --> 00:18:56.160
here at the show. Not only did you drop it? No. Well, you know what? I did Whoa.

00:18:54.559 --> 00:18:59.600
Whoa. What? I did drop this. I did drop the chip. You actually did. There's a

00:18:57.760 --> 00:19:02.320
dead chip. I did. I did drop the chip. Was it dead before after you dropped it

00:19:01.039 --> 00:19:05.919
before? It wasn't even attached to a GPU. Yeah. So So I was I was playing

00:19:04.720 --> 00:19:10.000
with the chip. I was holding it. I was looking at it and um and I It like fell

00:19:08.640 --> 00:19:13.440
out of my hands. No one was looking at it. Sure. Of course. Yeah. Camera wasn't

00:19:11.840 --> 00:19:17.679
rolling. So it wasn't it wasn't I wasn't like staging it to be funny. It was just

00:19:15.200 --> 00:19:21.600
I was like, "Oh, shoot. I dropped it. Crap. I've never done that before."

00:19:19.360 --> 00:19:24.799
Ever. But no, real Vega. So, our video is coming on that probably tomorrow. And

00:19:23.679 --> 00:19:30.720
okay, so what's the low end there? I feel like we we're like going hard on AMD right now. But other than that, is

00:19:28.799 --> 00:19:35.919
there anything else? Every time we every time we talk about any AMD news, like

00:19:33.039 --> 00:19:40.160
our viewers are just like, I mean, it's it gives us a reason to be excited. It

00:19:38.320 --> 00:19:44.080
is actually an exciting time. I feel like the last couple years have been

00:19:41.360 --> 00:19:47.360
rough. Like, haven't they? It's been it's been rough. It's about time for

00:19:45.600 --> 00:19:51.440
some good news, for some positivity. 2017 like have you played around with

00:19:48.799 --> 00:19:54.559
KBL Lake? No. 7700 K. Not even a little bit. Okay, don't bother. Okay, cool. I

00:19:53.440 --> 00:19:58.320
will not do that. Now we're on the same page. Perfect. Don't bother. Don't save

00:19:56.799 --> 00:20:04.000
your time. Unless Do you want to watch 4K Netflix? You know what? On your

00:20:01.360 --> 00:20:07.600
computer? No, I don't. Okay. No. Then uh Never. Never have I ever. Dude, I don't

00:20:05.679 --> 00:20:13.200
watch Netflix on my computer at all. I'm like I I like watch Netflix either on a

00:20:09.840 --> 00:20:16.160
tablet or just on my TV. Okay. Yeah.

00:20:13.200 --> 00:20:20.799
Yeah. I buy that. the built-in TV apps generally they get a lot of attention

00:20:18.080 --> 00:20:24.480
and Mike uh the TV I use actually has 4K and HDR as well so it's like it's all

00:20:22.799 --> 00:20:27.679
built in like I usually don't like to use like the built-in TV apps but like

00:20:26.320 --> 00:20:36.480
it's all right there like same thing we've been watching like Grand Tour through Amazon 4K HDR touch nothing it's

00:20:32.240 --> 00:20:38.720
actually it's beautiful beautiful show

00:20:36.480 --> 00:20:42.640
uh yours is the um the Samsung one that you did the uh sponsored gaming setup

00:20:40.720 --> 00:20:46.720
thing for right yes uh in that's the same one that I got for World's Most

00:20:44.720 --> 00:20:51.840
Comfortable. Is it? I believe so. I think so. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. It's a

00:20:48.240 --> 00:20:54.640
nice TV. It's a good TV. Now, of course.

00:20:51.840 --> 00:20:59.919
Of course. This year, the TV game is changing. Is it really? Is it actually

00:20:56.880 --> 00:21:01.120
changing? Just wait. Okay. Okay. Okay. I

00:20:59.919 --> 00:21:05.840
I'll give you this. I'll give you this. Samsung is redefining the television

00:21:03.600 --> 00:21:11.120
category. Redefining? Tell me more. With Q dot. Wait. QLED. QLED. Sorry. QLED.

00:21:09.360 --> 00:21:14.480
QLED. There's actually some dot in here, too. I I screwed up and I called it Q

00:21:12.880 --> 00:21:17.360
dot because it's quantum dot. Quantum dot. Wait, but wasn't quantum dot

00:21:16.080 --> 00:21:24.240
already a thing? Yes, but now they're calling it QLED. QLED. So I think the

00:21:21.039 --> 00:21:26.000
the QLED is thing. I think the intent is

00:21:24.240 --> 00:21:32.559
to make it sound like O and look like OLED. Oh yes, sure. Now well speaking of

00:21:30.960 --> 00:21:38.559
OLED, just jumping in. Did you see the Sony OLED? No. Sony now has three TVs. I

00:21:36.720 --> 00:21:42.640
don't know there's a specific brand name for them, but Sony now has three OLED

00:21:40.480 --> 00:21:46.799
TVs and if you like find a picture of them, it's cool because it's essentially

00:21:45.120 --> 00:21:50.880
um it almost looks like an easel sort of thing where like it sits down. It's like

00:21:48.720 --> 00:21:54.320
kind of tilted back. So from the front you just see a super thin bezel and

00:21:52.720 --> 00:21:58.400
there's like nothing below it. So what they're doing is they're doing some interesting stuff with the actual

00:21:56.480 --> 00:22:02.480
speakers where it's actually resonating through the glass. I've heard of stuff

00:22:00.480 --> 00:22:05.520
like that before and it's got a sub in the back. Yeah, you can see right there.

00:22:04.000 --> 00:22:10.320
Here. Um, I'm going to try and screen share with them. Hopefully. Oh. Oh, I

00:22:07.440 --> 00:22:12.960
pressed a bad button. No. No. I think we're good. I think

00:22:11.520 --> 00:22:16.960
we're good. Are we still alive? Yeah, we're we're live. We are live. So, this

00:22:14.880 --> 00:22:20.960
is from the verge.com. Yeah. So, you can see it's there's basically like almost

00:22:18.799 --> 00:22:23.919
no bezel, right? So, and there's nothing there's no bezel on the bottom. And you

00:22:22.960 --> 00:22:28.559
can look at it from the side. So, basically, I don't know if you see any like rear pictures, but it's sort of

00:22:26.480 --> 00:22:32.400
like got like a tilt in the back where there's a sub. But the idea is is that

00:22:30.720 --> 00:22:35.760
not only is it thin, but there's some kind of speaker setup that's like

00:22:34.080 --> 00:22:39.039
actually uses the glass. There you go. But it uses the glass to actually

00:22:37.120 --> 00:22:41.840
resonate. So, I haven't actually heard it. They have the demos up, but

00:22:40.400 --> 00:22:45.200
obviously it's the show floor. But the the Sony rep was talking about how it's

00:22:43.919 --> 00:22:50.240
sort of an interesting experience to have the sound come not from like the bottom of the TV, but actually from like

00:22:48.400 --> 00:22:53.440
around the TV. Yeah, exactly. Just jumping in. But OLED is the game is

00:22:52.240 --> 00:22:57.760
definitely kind of heating up there. So, I feel like Samsung absolutely has to be

00:22:55.440 --> 00:23:02.559
feeling the pressure. So, I did go to LG today. Yeah. And I saw the wallpaper TV.

00:23:00.159 --> 00:23:06.640
I haven't seen that yet. Okay. It mount. Okay. So, all all you need to know to

00:23:04.960 --> 00:23:11.600
know what's amazing. It mounts with magnets.

00:23:09.360 --> 00:23:15.600
It mounts to the wall with magnets. Okay. I need to see this. I I just heard

00:23:13.520 --> 00:23:18.799
about this like an hour ago. Okay. So, it's really cool. It's like So, it's

00:23:17.600 --> 00:23:23.120
fully rollable. Like you can like completely No, no, no, no, no. But like

00:23:20.960 --> 00:23:27.039
they have one in the booth where they have like like a robot ARM that's like

00:23:24.960 --> 00:23:30.480
peeling it up a bit and then putting it back. So you can see how thin it is and

00:23:28.880 --> 00:23:36.880
you can see how it's just like sticking, right? It's crazy thin. And what LG is

00:23:34.159 --> 00:23:40.799
doing is uh you Okay. Do you know how I have my home computer set up with

00:23:38.880 --> 00:23:45.520
Corning optical Thunderbolt? You have it all in the closet? In the Yeah. Going in

00:23:42.320 --> 00:23:47.360
the closet. Okay. So you know Okay. So

00:23:45.520 --> 00:23:50.960
your Samsung TV, you know how it has the one connect? Yeah. Absolutely. So, it

00:23:49.200 --> 00:23:58.320
has a one. It has a single connector, assuming you don't need to plug in hardline networking,

00:23:54.720 --> 00:24:00.559
right? You don't need networking. Yeah.

00:23:58.320 --> 00:24:04.400
No, Wi-Fi is for chumps. Yo, I mean, I literally I have an onhub router like 6

00:24:02.159 --> 00:24:07.760
inches away from my TV which has one Ethernet

00:24:05.640 --> 00:24:12.799
out. I have a switch in the back of the TV, but it's fine. Okay, I'm good. I'm

00:24:10.640 --> 00:24:16.320
fine. So, anyway, the one connect is a single cable that goes to the TV and

00:24:14.720 --> 00:24:19.520
then the the wire the cord is not very long. I think it's only about 4 ft.

00:24:18.000 --> 00:24:23.039
Sure. Yeah, something like that. Yeah. So, so the idea though is that that's

00:24:21.120 --> 00:24:28.559
where all your HDMI inputs go and then the antennas, I think. So, it's like

00:24:25.440 --> 00:24:30.320
clean wiring, right? Anyway, LG is

00:24:28.559 --> 00:24:35.039
taking it one step further. So, they've got a short cable that runs to like a

00:24:32.480 --> 00:24:37.360
speaker bar that sits under it. Um, that also acts as all the inputs and

00:24:36.400 --> 00:24:42.960
everything. Kind of like on their signature last year where it had like that speaker bar base. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

00:24:40.720 --> 00:24:48.240
Yeah. With all the inputs. Okay. So this year they're using an optical cable that

00:24:46.400 --> 00:24:53.840
is pretty short to start but comes with a 6ft extension. Okay. So you can

00:24:50.960 --> 00:24:58.559
actually get like the input nonsense kind of like away from it if you're

00:24:56.720 --> 00:25:02.320
using your own home theater speaker setup and you would basically just have

00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:07.520
this wallpaper TV. How did the actual TV look? Really good. Okay. So it's like

00:25:05.600 --> 00:25:13.440
even being as thin as it is like there was no like was it 1080 4K? Oh it's 4K.

00:25:10.880 --> 00:25:17.679
4K. And what size was it? Um, it was So they're doing 65 and 77. All right.

00:25:15.600 --> 00:25:20.640
Yeah. So about the like the right size. You get any bigger than that, it's like

00:25:18.960 --> 00:25:27.039
the thing's not transportable. Sure. Right. Like how you going to get it home? Yeah.

00:25:23.840 --> 00:25:29.600
This sounds cool. Okay. Interesting. So

00:25:27.039 --> 00:25:32.880
is this still in the concept stage, I'm guessing? No. No. This is going to be a

00:25:31.200 --> 00:25:37.919
real product like Q1. Yeah. It's like Q1. Oh, yeah. It's coming. Yeah. Like

00:25:35.279 --> 00:25:42.320
there's like lots of them here. So there's a bit of a caveat, though. It's

00:25:40.000 --> 00:25:47.039
OLED. it still doesn't achieve the 1000nit peak brightness that is

00:25:44.640 --> 00:25:50.799
considered acceptable for mastering HDR content in the first place. So even

00:25:48.960 --> 00:25:56.240
though LG is supporting all four I didn't even realize there were four all

00:25:52.720 --> 00:25:59.440
four flavors of HDR. So there's HDR10,

00:25:56.240 --> 00:26:02.159
there's Dolby, there's uh Technicolor.

00:25:59.440 --> 00:26:07.279
Okay. And then there's um See, I actually might still have my notes open

00:26:03.679 --> 00:26:09.360
from the LG booth today. Yeah, technic.

00:26:07.279 --> 00:26:12.720
Yeah, cuz I know that there's main 10, which I feel like is probably becoming

00:26:10.960 --> 00:26:17.679
the most popular right now, but I think most like the Xbox One actually Xbox One

00:26:15.360 --> 00:26:21.600
is main 10, I think. Yeah, main 10. That's I think that's the last one.

00:26:18.960 --> 00:26:24.559
Yeah. So, so it supports all four. Although, one thing I do have, but so it

00:26:23.440 --> 00:26:32.960
doesn't achieve that peak brightness that people are looking for. And then they also have a quantum dot competitor.

00:26:29.360 --> 00:26:34.200
And it took me It was so funny. So, I'm

00:26:32.960 --> 00:26:39.440
like, "What is this?" The guy's like, "Nanod." And I'm like, "So, what is it?"

00:26:36.799 --> 00:26:44.640
He's like, "It's a it's it's it's nano particles that are made to optimally

00:26:42.000 --> 00:26:48.880
filter and enhance red and green." And I'm like, "Okay." Or red and blue,

00:26:46.159 --> 00:26:52.559
whatever it is that I think it's red and green. Anyway, whatever. So, I'm like,

00:26:50.720 --> 00:26:57.760
"Okay, so it's quantum dot." And he's like, "No, it's they're 1 nanometer

00:26:55.360 --> 00:27:00.960
instead of like 2 to 12 nmters of our competitors. It's like putting the

00:26:59.039 --> 00:27:04.559
filter closer to your eyes." And I'm like, "Okay, so like how how does it go

00:27:03.360 --> 00:27:10.000
in there?" And he's like, "It's on a film." And I'm like, "Okay, so it's quantum dot." And he's like, "Look,

00:27:08.240 --> 00:27:15.679
we're not supposed to say that." And I'm like, "Dude, what? I have like 18

00:27:13.440 --> 00:27:19.840
minutes in your booth. Is it quantum dot?" And he's like, "Yeah, it's quantum

00:27:17.039 --> 00:27:22.640
dot." But it's like really good quantum dot.

00:27:21.360 --> 00:27:27.360
I'm like, "Okay, like that's fine. I respect that. There's nothing wrong with that. But don't confuse me

00:27:25.760 --> 00:27:33.360
intentionally. Just tell me what it is because it's my job to debsify this

00:27:31.039 --> 00:27:36.720
stuff. Don't BS me. Go go go put that on your flyer at Future Shop or Best Buy.

00:27:35.360 --> 00:27:43.279
Oh, Future Shop doesn't exist anymore or whatever. Canadian. We don't Circus

00:27:38.480 --> 00:27:45.440
City. Yeah, the source. Um, so, so go

00:27:43.279 --> 00:27:49.200
put that on your flyer. I don't care. My audience is too smart for that. They're

00:27:46.960 --> 00:27:53.760
going to kill me and that's going to make me mad at you for you telling me

00:27:51.679 --> 00:27:57.039
the wrong thing to tell them. Don't do that to me. So anyway, so yeah, it's

00:27:55.679 --> 00:28:02.399
quantum dot. So quantum dot. So basically the biggest really real downside there is just the brightness.

00:28:00.240 --> 00:28:05.600
But like on a panel so thin, I feel like I would be willing to kind of give that

00:28:04.000 --> 00:28:11.679
up a little bit. And you know what? Quite frankly, um there's only one piece

00:28:08.799 --> 00:28:16.880
of HDR content that isn't a tech demo that I've that I've seen like Okay, I'll

00:28:14.000 --> 00:28:21.840
say movie actually cuz some of the stuff on Amazon Prime like an ultra HD

00:28:18.320 --> 00:28:24.720
Blu-ray. Um yeah, Life of Pi looks Oh,

00:28:21.840 --> 00:28:30.320
yeah. Unreal. Yeah. In HDR. Yeah. Absolutely unreal. And with the

00:28:28.000 --> 00:28:33.840
signature, which was I think 600 nits peak brightness, I want to say it

00:28:32.000 --> 00:28:37.760
really. Yeah, it wasn't that high. But because the blacks are so deep and I'm

00:28:35.520 --> 00:28:41.039
usually watching in a fairly dim room, I didn't feel like it took away from the

00:28:38.960 --> 00:28:44.559
experience at all. Right. I didn't feel like the whites were not quite dazzling

00:28:43.039 --> 00:28:48.399
enough. Um yeah, I mean that that's a that feels like a really bright TV. I

00:28:46.240 --> 00:28:51.200
didn't realize. So is a 1000 nits for all of the HDR standards or is it

00:28:50.000 --> 00:28:55.440
different depending on the standard? Okay, so it's complicated because this

00:28:53.200 --> 00:28:59.440
whole thing is complicated. OLED gets so there's two different standards there.

00:28:57.360 --> 00:29:01.679
So OLED kind of gets one standard. I see what you mean because the blacks are

00:29:00.480 --> 00:29:05.279
deeper. Right. Because it's not necessarily about the peak brightness as

00:29:03.679 --> 00:29:10.080
much as it is about the contrast. Right. Range. Right. Right. Right. So it's

00:29:07.760 --> 00:29:14.640
different rules for LCDs that can't achieve pure black. Right. So they have

00:29:12.480 --> 00:29:17.559
to go crazy crazy white to burn your retinas. That's right. So So LG's are

00:29:16.720 --> 00:29:22.720
hitting like500 nits peak brightness on the uh

00:29:20.640 --> 00:29:28.559
uh uh uh nano nano dot or whatever they're calling it. Wow. That's a lot. I

00:29:25.279 --> 00:29:29.760
think Samsung's QLED is up near 2,000 or

00:29:28.559 --> 00:29:34.080
something like that. What's the point? Like at that point, like the TV that's

00:29:31.919 --> 00:29:38.080
like got to be insanely bright. So, so the point is not that you would ever

00:29:36.080 --> 00:29:42.159
have the whole TV that bright. In fact, one of the most annoying things about my

00:29:40.000 --> 00:29:45.840
OLED at home because I use it I have a computer hooked up to it. If I open up

00:29:43.840 --> 00:29:50.799
file explorer full screen, whole thing goes down because between oh, we can't

00:29:48.640 --> 00:29:55.919
handle between power like power efficiency like like regulations, right?

00:29:53.520 --> 00:29:59.919
They can't actually draw that much power to have every pixel 100% white. You know

00:29:58.320 --> 00:30:05.520
what this feels like? This feels like car manufacturers getting into like a horsepower war. It's like, well, our car

00:30:03.200 --> 00:30:08.559
can do 200 mph. Wars can do 205. It's like the speed li 65 mph. I don't know

00:30:07.520 --> 00:30:15.760
what you guys are talking about. This feels exactly like that. And to actually punch through the nonsense and test it,

00:30:12.720 --> 00:30:18.640
right, requires actually quite complex

00:30:15.760 --> 00:30:22.240
test patterns because you have to have enough enough dark in the scene to kind

00:30:21.039 --> 00:30:28.320
of trigger the algorithm to go, "Hey, look, I can actually crank the brightness, right, man? Dude, this HDR

00:30:26.399 --> 00:30:32.480
stuff is goofy, right? Like HDR content looks nice, don't get me wrong, but like

00:30:30.000 --> 00:30:36.559
the standards, all the different styles, like it's such a a nightmare. It is a

00:30:35.360 --> 00:30:42.080
total nightmare. Like why do we need four? Like I didn't even realize there were four. I knew of three. It's a

00:30:39.120 --> 00:30:46.320
cluster, man. It's a total cluster. And then on the content creation side of

00:30:44.240 --> 00:30:49.520
things, it gets more complicated. So, this actually had nothing to do with the

00:30:47.679 --> 00:30:54.320
show this year, but I had a great meeting with a guy from Portrait, which

00:30:52.480 --> 00:30:57.919
um formerly Spectracal. Do you know Spectal? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So, they got

00:30:56.159 --> 00:31:01.840
acquired by Portrait. So, now his email is him at Portrait. So, I'm like, "Okay,

00:30:59.840 --> 00:31:06.080
hi. You're you're still you, but now you're you still exist. Good job.

00:31:03.440 --> 00:31:10.640
Different you. Acquired you." So, I had a meeting with him and he goes, "Yeah,

00:31:08.799 --> 00:31:16.159
mastering HDR content is a total disaster. There's one display. It's like

00:31:13.440 --> 00:31:19.520
a 30 something inch display that everyone is using. I forget what the

00:31:17.919 --> 00:31:25.760
number was cuz it at that point it doesn't even really matter. It was like 30,000 or $50,000 or something like

00:31:23.440 --> 00:31:32.080
there's one display and there is the support is like kind of

00:31:29.520 --> 00:31:34.880
iffy. Um, Da Vinci Resolve apparently is like kind of the go-to. I hear a lot

00:31:33.360 --> 00:31:38.960
about that with HDR. Yeah. Um, and he goes, "But there's there's

00:31:36.960 --> 00:31:43.120
like there's like a so so that's why only like huge budget guys, right, are

00:31:41.360 --> 00:31:46.320
able to master an HDR coloring on a $50,000 display, you probably have some

00:31:44.960 --> 00:31:50.880
resources behind you. You can use scopes, right? And you can kind of get

00:31:48.480 --> 00:31:54.559
there, right? But that's not the right way to do it. And if you want if you're

00:31:52.480 --> 00:31:59.200
if you want to grade for an aesthetic, you have to be able to look at it. And

00:31:56.000 --> 00:32:00.640
the thing is, so when you master an HDR,

00:31:59.200 --> 00:32:06.559
and we've I like I've looked into it a little bit, but like I kind of get daunted by just like how much there is.

00:32:03.679 --> 00:32:10.880
Yeah. So HDR is all 10 bit, right? That's my understanding. But like 10 bit

00:32:08.320 --> 00:32:16.240
is not HDR, but HDR is always 10 bit. Or can it be more? Yes. Okay. So at least

00:32:14.320 --> 00:32:19.440
10 bit, right? Which is pretty much all web content like this, for example, is 8

00:32:17.840 --> 00:32:23.760
bit. Like basically everything you watch right now is 8 bit. Yes, YouTube does

00:32:21.519 --> 00:32:27.840
support. It does now. It does now, but it doesn't support 10. It's HDR, which

00:32:26.320 --> 00:32:32.640
is all underneath it. But then there's also the color space is wider. Isn't it

00:32:29.760 --> 00:32:36.320
like 2020? That's right. which is like 30%. I don't know. It's it's it's a

00:32:34.240 --> 00:32:41.200
wider color gamut. Much wider. Yeah. And there's no display on Earth that can get

00:32:38.480 --> 00:32:46.240
anywhere near everything in Rec 2020, which is fine because there's a lot of

00:32:42.960 --> 00:32:49.360
room to grow in it. Um and then and then

00:32:46.240 --> 00:32:50.600
making matters even more complicated is

00:32:49.360 --> 00:32:55.840
that um if you're working with a monitor, so

00:32:53.519 --> 00:32:59.679
let's say so so for example LG is launching some HDR monitors. So, the

00:32:58.000 --> 00:33:05.120
first thing I did, I was like, "Blah, blah blah. Are these suitable for content creation?" And they kind of go,

00:33:02.880 --> 00:33:08.000
"No, we'll get back to you in that." Oh, okay. Okay. That's like a maybe. That's

00:33:06.480 --> 00:33:12.640
a strong maybe. No, that's I don't think it's strong. I think it's I think it's a

00:33:09.600 --> 00:33:14.159
weak sauce. Maybe. Um, and so I so I

00:33:12.640 --> 00:33:17.120
went I went straight to my portrait guy and I'm like, "Hey, do you think we can

00:33:15.919 --> 00:33:23.840
create HDR on this?" He kind of goes, "Yeah, it depends. Can it do a 1000 nits peak brightness? He really wants that."

00:33:20.640 --> 00:33:26.559
Okay. And it depends on what kind of HDR

00:33:23.840 --> 00:33:30.399
it supports. Then then it's dependent on the video card. So it was only this

00:33:28.559 --> 00:33:35.120
generation of Pascal video cards from NVIDIA where they finally allowed 10-

00:33:32.159 --> 00:33:39.279
bit output on the non-quadros. Is that what it was? That's something

00:33:36.720 --> 00:33:44.480
that they've been holding back on quadro for since well for forever pretty much.

00:33:42.480 --> 00:33:48.720
Right. Right. Cuz 10 bit has preceded HDR. 10 bit has been around forever. In

00:33:46.640 --> 00:33:53.919
fact 12 bit video has been around for That's right. Yeah.

00:33:51.200 --> 00:33:59.840
Okay. So basically come on. Basically, this is like Blu-ray versus HD DVD

00:33:56.320 --> 00:34:02.640
except lame and times a thousand. Yes.

00:33:59.840 --> 00:34:07.760
And yeah, pretty much. So, anyway, there's a solution. So there was there's

00:34:04.960 --> 00:34:13.359
a Sony TV that's around 56 grand that's like a 65 in that has a mode

00:34:10.800 --> 00:34:20.639
specifically designed not for mastering HDR but it's designed to behave like an

00:34:17.839 --> 00:34:24.480
HDR mastering display so that the client can sit and look at the TV while the

00:34:22.399 --> 00:34:27.760
colorist is working on the 30,000 40 whatever however many thousands of

00:34:25.679 --> 00:34:31.119
dollars. But what people have discovered is that it's actually very suitable. Oh

00:34:30.079 --> 00:34:36.960
really? So you can use it for everything. So, we're thinking about, hey, maybe we should make a color

00:34:34.399 --> 00:34:39.919
station. Have you guys looked into actually, and we're probably get way in

00:34:38.320 --> 00:34:43.919
the weeds here for a second, but like what the actual workflow is to get HDR

00:34:42.079 --> 00:34:48.960
content onto YouTube. Is it just a simple Okay, I haven't. I think you

00:34:46.480 --> 00:34:52.800
export in Premiere, right? Then you plunk it into Da Vinci Resolve. Oh, this

00:34:50.960 --> 00:34:57.040
is selling. Hold on. Hold on. And then it adds a bunch of metadata, right? And

00:34:55.119 --> 00:35:00.000
then exports. And then you upload with the metadata. That's I've never tried

00:34:58.640 --> 00:35:04.880
it. To be fair, I do know the new version of Final Cut does support Rev

00:35:01.760 --> 00:35:06.480
2020 straight out. So So you can take

00:35:04.880 --> 00:35:11.280
Final Cut. Yeah. And you can put it up your butt. I could do that or I can

00:35:08.880 --> 00:35:16.400
render my beautiful HDR video available now at youtube.com/lines techtips. Yeah.

00:35:14.720 --> 00:35:21.040
As if I would upload your videos. They're far too crispy for my channel,

00:35:18.000 --> 00:35:22.640
my friend. So assuming that you get the

00:35:21.040 --> 00:35:27.280
file out somehow and even if it's a giant pain, you have to like run it through multiple things. Can you just

00:35:25.280 --> 00:35:29.920
upload it to YouTube? Because I know we were looking through there are HDR

00:35:28.800 --> 00:35:33.599
videos that you can watch on YouTube now, right? But there's no clear way of

00:35:32.079 --> 00:35:38.480
knowing that you're watching HDR content unless you pull up like the stats for nerds. It's not there's a little like

00:35:36.000 --> 00:35:42.960
HDR badge like 4K, which is like right, is this even working? And not only that,

00:35:41.040 --> 00:35:46.079
to make things even more complicated, say I get an HDR video to YouTube,

00:35:44.640 --> 00:35:49.680
YouTube compresses it and all that kind of stuff. It sends it out. How do you

00:35:47.920 --> 00:35:53.520
watch HDR YouTube unless you have maybe like a chcast Ultra? That's the only

00:35:51.440 --> 00:35:57.200
device I know that does HDR right now, right? Cuz like there are no computer

00:35:55.440 --> 00:36:00.280
monitors that you could watch it on. Not yet, but soon. There are no phones that

00:35:58.880 --> 00:36:06.960
are HDR compatible maybe. Oh, that's I I Oh, I

00:36:04.079 --> 00:36:12.000
thought Isn't the iPhone 7? It's It's wide gamut. It's wide gamut HDR, not

00:36:09.440 --> 00:36:16.560
HDR. Cuz I I know that uh the iPhone and the iMac, they they both have the same

00:36:14.000 --> 00:36:20.480
It's not uh it has a specific color space that's not the same, but it's it's

00:36:18.880 --> 00:36:26.000
wider. I don't know if it's HDR, though. So, it gets even more complicated there

00:36:22.400 --> 00:36:27.599
because uh I talked to Dell and uh they

00:36:26.000 --> 00:36:32.240
were saying that one of the issues in the industry is that there's lots of

00:36:30.560 --> 00:36:36.359
monitors out there that are going to do better than SDR but not are not up to

00:36:34.880 --> 00:36:41.440
the like the the cinema industry HDR spec and I think

00:36:39.920 --> 00:36:46.640
the industry has basically decided to just call them HDR with like HDR

00:36:44.560 --> 00:36:51.599
certified or some other moniker to come after that. Man, come on. Okay, this is

00:36:49.280 --> 00:36:57.280
actually gross. Let's give up on HDR. Have you seen the 8K display? No, I have

00:36:54.720 --> 00:37:02.880
not seen it, but it sounds crispy, as they might say. Oh, kill me. Um, okay.

00:37:00.880 --> 00:37:06.720
Yo, so did you actually see it yet? I touched it today. You touched it? Okay.

00:37:04.720 --> 00:37:13.119
I touched it. Was it actually? I touched it with my eyeball because that is how

00:37:10.480 --> 00:37:16.480
close I had to get to see a pixel. There's no way you can

00:37:14.640 --> 00:37:20.960
see pixels. There's no way on AK. What? How big is the display? Okay, it's uh

00:37:18.079 --> 00:37:28.320
it's 32 in I believe from Dell. Okay, it's unreal. So, the thing had about 15

00:37:24.720 --> 00:37:30.880
imagine this. Okay, 1,500 clock faces.

00:37:28.320 --> 00:37:35.920
Okay, on a 32-in display. Okay, so it's like like 60 by like 40 or something. I

00:37:34.320 --> 00:37:40.240
I forget I forget what it was, but I like did math in my head and it was

00:37:37.440 --> 00:37:44.800
probably wrong. So, you've got like over well over a thousand clock faces, right?

00:37:42.560 --> 00:37:47.760
I could get right in on them. Okay. And there's like spacing around the clock

00:37:46.320 --> 00:37:54.000
faces. Like there's like a square and then there's like a circle inside and then there's like lines. And then I

00:37:50.720 --> 00:37:56.400
could see I could see the minute lines

00:37:54.000 --> 00:38:03.440
on the clock faces. Okay. Okay. Okay. Can you just calm down

00:38:00.720 --> 00:38:08.000
for a second because I don't think I can handle the stress right now.

00:38:06.160 --> 00:38:13.440
Okay. So I'll just calm down. 8K monitor. So let's come down to Earth for

00:38:09.839 --> 00:38:14.720
a second. Yeah. Can I actually No. Okay.

00:38:13.440 --> 00:38:22.079
Thanks. Go ahead. But whatever you're going to say, no. To connect it to anything, you

00:38:19.119 --> 00:38:27.599
need dual DisplayPort. No. No. No. No. Worse than that. Is it really? Okay,

00:38:25.680 --> 00:38:33.440
here we go. So, step number one. Step number one. It is 10 bit, which is cool.

00:38:30.480 --> 00:38:37.520
Great. Um, it is it has great viewing angles, which is cool. I expect for like

00:38:35.920 --> 00:38:44.960
a million dollar monitor. It has a programmable L which basically means

00:38:41.440 --> 00:38:47.200
that you can calibrate the monitor

00:38:44.960 --> 00:38:51.760
directly. Okay. And then plug it into anything and it will retain the the

00:38:49.760 --> 00:38:56.960
color properties of the printer that you want it to to look like. Right. Okay.

00:38:55.119 --> 00:39:00.960
Okay. Got it. Programmable like if you plug in through the hub, right, the USB

00:38:58.880 --> 00:39:04.640
hub on the monitor and and there's a supported um it's the i1 it's the i1

00:39:03.359 --> 00:39:08.480
display pro. It's like that the standard one that everybody uses. And if you use

00:39:06.800 --> 00:39:12.800
that, it even like fills in all the metadata and crap in the calibration

00:39:10.480 --> 00:39:16.320
program that Delco created with XR. It's like this is over the top. I love it. Go

00:39:14.720 --> 00:39:20.000
ahead. Okay. So, so very cool. Very cool. Um,

00:39:18.720 --> 00:39:25.119
but how do I actually I want to watch some AK video? Not HDR. That's fine. No

00:39:23.040 --> 00:39:29.680
HDR. Okay. I just want pixels that you just want pixels. We just discovered

00:39:26.480 --> 00:39:31.200
that HDR is terrible. And I didn't say

00:39:29.680 --> 00:39:36.720
terrible. Well, okay. It's a disaster. It's a mess. Okay. Okay. Okay. So now it

00:39:34.400 --> 00:39:39.680
is a tiled display. So you remember the early 4K displays guys where I still

00:39:38.480 --> 00:39:46.960
have one of those in my uh in my apartment. Yeah. Right. Okay. So where we were doing two DisplayPort 1.1s in

00:39:43.920 --> 00:39:48.680
Yeah. Okay. So here's the problem.

00:39:46.960 --> 00:39:54.079
DisplayPort 1.2. How high does it go? You remember

00:39:51.760 --> 00:40:00.160
1.2? That was 4K, right? 4K. How many hertz? 60. That's right. Okay. So here's

00:39:58.640 --> 00:40:02.800
I have a comment. Here's a small problem. Yeah. What can I do for you?

00:40:01.680 --> 00:40:07.280
They're working on getting it to work with just one cable, not two. Yeah, of

00:40:05.359 --> 00:40:11.839
course they are. Oh, well, they said you'd be like all thrilled. One cable?

00:40:10.240 --> 00:40:15.680
Are you trying to say that? DisplayPort 1.4, I think. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

00:40:13.760 --> 00:40:19.760
Yeah. We'll talk about that later. Okay. Sorry. Okay. Thank you, Taran. Um, I got

00:40:18.560 --> 00:40:25.040
to get like do a whole Mission Impossible creep over here. All right.

00:40:22.040 --> 00:40:26.480
Um, okay. So, so, right. Okay. So, the

00:40:25.040 --> 00:40:34.000
math is pretty simple then, right? We're two DisplayPort 1.2 4K 60 Hz, right?

00:40:30.160 --> 00:40:36.320
So, a a quarter of the way there. 8K is

00:40:34.000 --> 00:40:38.880
quad that four times that, right? So, but we're not plugging in four display

00:40:37.760 --> 00:40:44.960
ports. Of course not. That would be crazy. Nothing Nothing like that is going to be happening. So, you need

00:40:42.240 --> 00:40:51.200
DisplayPort 1.3, right? Which is not super common. Two of them. 1. What does

00:40:47.839 --> 00:40:55.599
1.3 do? 1.3 I I don't remember. Yeah,

00:40:51.200 --> 00:40:58.800
1.3 does do 5K 60 Hz. So, that's enough

00:40:55.599 --> 00:41:01.200
to drive the 33 million pixels. 33

00:40:58.800 --> 00:41:10.079
million. That's a 33 megapixel. That's right. Wow. Um, so the only cards on the

00:41:06.160 --> 00:41:15.119
market are the latest generation Pascal

00:41:10.079 --> 00:41:17.760
based Quadros, the P3000, the P4000, and

00:41:15.119 --> 00:41:20.560
the P6000. So, you know what? Why don't we just for fun? You know what? Because

00:41:19.200 --> 00:41:28.240
this is the kind of thing that I do for fun. I go on neweag.com, okay? And I get

00:41:26.160 --> 00:41:34.560
really really mad about whatever is taking over my screen right now and I go

00:41:30.560 --> 00:41:37.359
P3000 Quadro. Got it. Let's do it. And

00:41:34.560 --> 00:41:42.400
then I hate my life. Prime time because I can't even buy one. So there's that.

00:41:40.960 --> 00:41:47.119
Uh are they they're on sale though, right? I thought so. I actually I mean

00:41:44.880 --> 00:41:50.800
they they had a demo unit that Okay. No, I mean clearly the computer that they

00:41:48.800 --> 00:41:54.000
had in the booth was running off of some Yeah, it was running off a Quadro,

00:41:52.160 --> 00:41:57.440
right? Okay. Hold, hold on. Why is my Why is my computer Why is my computer

00:41:55.520 --> 00:42:03.200
being a buttthead? Now's not the time. Buttthead. Okay. Quadro

00:42:00.839 --> 00:42:06.520
P6000. Can I buy one? The Quadro stuff. Like I I'm

00:42:08.560 --> 00:42:16.720
You're killing the stream right now, man. I'm probably I'm probably killing the stream. You used all the internet. There's no internet left. Okay. Quadro

00:42:14.280 --> 00:42:19.520
P3000 price. Let's just try good old Google. And I spelled it wrong, but

00:42:18.000 --> 00:42:24.800
Google will fix that for me. Thank you, Google. Google Overlords. So, no one's

00:42:23.359 --> 00:42:28.079
even talking about it. Where Where do I get one? Okay. Wait, are they on sale

00:42:26.720 --> 00:42:32.880
yet, though? I I don't even see anything. No, go. Yeah, I I got nothing.

00:42:30.880 --> 00:42:36.560
Quietly announces. Yeah, announces in July, but like I don't see them. I mean,

00:42:35.440 --> 00:42:41.520
I'm guessing these things are not flying off the shelves right now, but Yeah. So,

00:42:39.280 --> 00:42:45.599
okay. So, there you go. Two DisplayPort 1.3s. So, give up and go home. Oh, and

00:42:43.599 --> 00:42:49.240
did I mention that the monitor costs five grand,

00:42:48.319 --> 00:42:54.160
which actually unreasonable? Yeah, that's not totally insane. That's not that far out

00:42:52.720 --> 00:43:00.560
there compared to like Yeah. I don't know if you guys remember like the old Apple 30-in from like Oh, man. Dude,

00:42:57.920 --> 00:43:05.280
that was like that was that was like 12 years ago. 13 years ago. Yeah. Back when

00:43:02.480 --> 00:43:10.400
the 30-inch monitors first 1440p, right? No, that was Well, uh that was the

00:43:07.119 --> 00:43:12.800
predecessor to 1440p. 2560 x600 back

00:43:10.400 --> 00:43:18.720
when we had 16x10 aspect ratio. Okay, fine. I loved 16x10 aspect ratio. Now,

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00:44:42.319 --> 00:44:49.119
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00:44:55.359 --> 00:44:59.839
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00:45:03.440 --> 00:45:09.359
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Cuz I got a pretty good one. I have absolutely no planning whatsoever. I

00:45:43.599 --> 00:45:51.280
just showed up. So, which was nice of you. Okay. Uh have you seen Razer's

00:45:48.280 --> 00:45:52.640
concept triple display notebook? I saw

00:45:51.280 --> 00:45:57.960
everyone talking about it. I actually haven't seen it in person. I haven't seen anything cool at CES yet. Actually,

00:45:55.680 --> 00:46:05.440
I have, but I'll save that for later. me. Is this hug time? You go on camera

00:46:01.200 --> 00:46:07.599
right now. Okay, it's good. Okay, I feel

00:46:05.440 --> 00:46:11.119
better now. Thank you. Okay, this is getting a little close. It's not weird

00:46:09.200 --> 00:46:14.599
enough yet. Okay, sorry. Go ahead. They're very strong.

00:46:15.200 --> 00:46:22.160
All right. Sorry. Words technology. So, you did a video on the

00:46:19.760 --> 00:46:26.400
the triple screen. The It's project what? Um Project Valerie. Valerie.

00:46:24.800 --> 00:46:30.560
Valerie. I love Yo, can we give a shout out to Razer and their amazing project

00:46:27.839 --> 00:46:35.599
names? I feel like every CES they come. Yeah, Christine, dude. Okay, so it's

00:46:34.160 --> 00:46:39.599
essentially Is it similar to like a Blade just with like the screen or like

00:46:37.200 --> 00:46:45.200
is it a fully custom like laptop? It is similar to a Blade Pro. Okay, so the

00:46:42.079 --> 00:46:47.680
17in Blade with the terrible keyboard.

00:46:45.200 --> 00:46:50.560
Is it that bad? It's awful. It's the mechanical one, right? Yeah. I feel like

00:46:49.280 --> 00:46:55.359
I tried it. It wasn't that bad, but I didn't actually like properly use. I just like typed for like 5 seconds.

00:46:53.359 --> 00:46:58.800
Yeah. Not long enough. Okay. I tried to write my review of the Blade Pro on the

00:46:57.280 --> 00:47:02.640
Blade Pro and you couldn't and I switched back to my Blade. I was done.

00:47:00.480 --> 00:47:05.920
Okay, that's that's a resounding recommendation from Mr. Lionus

00:47:04.319 --> 00:47:11.920
Sebastian. I was entirely done, my friend. Um,

00:47:08.599 --> 00:47:14.800
so basically the con so instead of you

00:47:11.920 --> 00:47:19.040
know how any modern notebook these days has like a pretty thin screen like

00:47:17.200 --> 00:47:22.400
display stack, right? They've got like a nice aluminum or like carbon fiber, some

00:47:21.119 --> 00:47:28.880
kind of cool material. They've got like a really thin thing. And then they've got like a really slick display stack. I

00:47:25.599 --> 00:47:31.680
saw Dell's XPS 132 in one. Super thin.

00:47:28.880 --> 00:47:36.400
Beautiful. Super thin. Um, so anyway, the Blade Pro, not a Blade Pro, cuz it's

00:47:34.640 --> 00:47:39.760
just it's about the concept. It's not about the machine it's attached to that

00:47:38.160 --> 00:47:43.200
was just a convenient reason that they didn't have to create something custom

00:47:41.200 --> 00:47:48.240
to show their concept, right? But instead of having a thin display, it had

00:47:45.440 --> 00:47:52.000
like like a display like this, like an old school laptop. Yeah. And then the

00:47:49.680 --> 00:47:56.400
laptop is like this thick. Okay. I mean, that's not crazy. It's 17 in and it's

00:47:54.880 --> 00:47:59.599
like this thick. All right. But I mean, okay, for real though, like, so is this

00:47:58.160 --> 00:48:04.079
your your daily? Yeah, this is my daily. So, it's a 14, right? Yeah. So, if

00:48:01.839 --> 00:48:09.440
you're carrying around a 17-inch laptop, portability is probably not your biggest

00:48:05.920 --> 00:48:10.720
concern. Okay, that's fair. I mean, for

00:48:09.440 --> 00:48:15.119
me, like, if I'm carrying around a laptop that's that big, being a little bit thicker is not going to break it.

00:48:13.760 --> 00:48:17.680
Okay, let me hit you with this then. If portability is not your biggest concern,

00:48:16.800 --> 00:48:24.240
why don't you just carry around a monitor? I mean, I don't carry around a

00:48:20.400 --> 00:48:26.079
17 or a monitor, but in theory, if I was

00:48:24.240 --> 00:48:29.599
a person who was interested in a 17-inch laptop, it's going to be big. So, being

00:48:27.599 --> 00:48:34.160
a little bit bigger and having two extra monitors, that that's kind of

00:48:32.079 --> 00:48:38.319
compelling. I don't know how useful that's going to be, but that's a cool

00:48:36.000 --> 00:48:42.079
idea cuz I feel like, wasn't there another

00:48:39.920 --> 00:48:44.800
uh some dual screen laptop that was like this a few years ago where you would

00:48:43.520 --> 00:48:48.640
open it up and it wasn't three screens, but it was two screens that would like pop out. I don't remember the name of

00:48:47.760 --> 00:48:52.720
it, but do you know what I'm talking about? I don't remember that. Um, like

00:48:51.520 --> 00:48:59.319
Google like dual screen laptop or something, but I'm gonna make a separate argument anyway. So my what I think is

00:48:57.359 --> 00:49:04.079
that you're better off creating an attachment that runs off like

00:49:01.280 --> 00:49:07.440
Thunderbolt 3 and you like how like a clip on that folds up or something

00:49:06.240 --> 00:49:12.640
because that way I don't have to carry it all the time

00:49:09.720 --> 00:49:17.760
or by the time displays get thin enough for that notebook to make any sense. I

00:49:15.200 --> 00:49:22.160
think we're going to have lighter much higher resolution HMDs. Absolutely. And

00:49:19.920 --> 00:49:25.599
I'm gonna sit and look at if I if I need a workspace this big, I'm gonna sit and

00:49:24.319 --> 00:49:35.760
look at it in my HMV. This is what I'm talking about right here. Oh, what is that? The co co This is two 10 in. Yeah.

00:49:30.960 --> 00:49:38.079
Uh co-enisha DZ the DZ. Yeah. So

00:49:35.760 --> 00:49:40.480
basically it's like two 10-in displays. I don't know what the mechanism is. I

00:49:39.520 --> 00:49:44.319
think it was a thing where it kind of like pops out. But I've seen this kind

00:49:42.800 --> 00:49:48.960
of thing before. I've never seen three displays. And everything that I have

00:49:46.000 --> 00:49:51.760
seen was kind of basic. like it was kind it was obviously super thick. This seems

00:49:50.720 --> 00:49:55.839
to be actually even though it's obviously thicker than a traditional screen. It seems like it's like a

00:49:54.559 --> 00:50:00.640
properly designed thing that's actually kind of cool. Yeah, there you go. That's okay. So, here let me just um let me

00:49:59.119 --> 00:50:05.599
just get that on the stream for you guys. So, this is the one that um that

00:50:03.359 --> 00:50:08.559
Austin was talking about. So, it's obviously really clunky and this is a

00:50:07.040 --> 00:50:13.920
little bit of an older design, too. I don't know when it's from, but it's like it's definitely a few years old. Okay,

00:50:12.000 --> 00:50:17.440
so here's project Valerie. Have you at least seen it? I've seen like pictures

00:50:16.000 --> 00:50:21.599
on Twitter. I haven't watched any videos at all since I've been here. Okay. So,

00:50:19.200 --> 00:50:24.720
here, let's uh let's Oh, so wait. So, do the screens actually kind of tilt out

00:50:23.119 --> 00:50:29.520
towards you or are they all flat? So, that depends on which one you're using.

00:50:26.480 --> 00:50:33.280
They actually had two week. Okay. Okay.

00:50:29.520 --> 00:50:35.359
So, uh here we go. So, here's the here's

00:50:33.280 --> 00:50:38.480
the one that really Okay, whatever. Good enough. I mean, Twitch compression is

00:50:36.880 --> 00:50:42.400
going to look like balls anyway. So, this is the one that had like fo Let me

00:50:41.200 --> 00:50:47.760
just make sure I'm actually showing people showing this to people. Yeah, I am. Oh, what did I just do? You actually

00:50:45.920 --> 00:50:53.920
zoomed in. Oh, you opened the the actual image. Okay. Okay. So, this is the one

00:50:50.640 --> 00:50:57.119
that had like fakeo hinges that are like

00:50:53.920 --> 00:50:59.200
the concept for how it would kind of

00:50:57.119 --> 00:51:02.559
like straighten out and then like fold in and slide in with this is the one

00:51:01.680 --> 00:51:08.480
that actually gives you a little bit of surround where there's like it's not just a fully flat setup. Okay. So then

00:51:06.160 --> 00:51:13.839
they also had another one in the suite that had the two outside displays in

00:51:11.599 --> 00:51:18.720
front of the back one and you just kind of slid them out and they were all kind

00:51:15.200 --> 00:51:20.160
of in a straight line. Okay. So that's

00:51:18.720 --> 00:51:24.400
what's working now. No, no, they're both equally thick. That one's working now.

00:51:22.240 --> 00:51:26.720
And the other one just had like concept hinges done up. They were like, "Don't

00:51:25.599 --> 00:51:32.720
pick it up. Don't pick it up. Don't touch it. The hinges will fall off." Have you dropped anything at CES besides

00:51:30.079 --> 00:51:35.760
Ryzen? Uh oh, sorry, PE. I've dropped a few things, but I haven't broken

00:51:33.839 --> 00:51:38.240
anything yet. Oh wow. Good job. I'm actually doing Dude, we're like halfway

00:51:37.119 --> 00:51:42.960
through CES right now, and you haven't broken anything. I'm doing really well this year. Good job, man. So, I'm You're

00:51:41.839 --> 00:51:47.359
pulling your life together. I'm feeling good about that. I wouldn't say I'm pulling my life together, but I'm

00:51:45.920 --> 00:51:52.079
definitely pulling my not dropping things proper together. Yeah, Reddit's

00:51:49.760 --> 00:51:57.200
going to be unhappy, but whatever. Okay. Predator 21X. Yo, dude, I haven't seen

00:51:54.800 --> 00:52:00.400
it yet. It looks so great. It looks like the coolest thing ever. Well, not

00:51:58.720 --> 00:52:08.240
really, but it's so ridiculous. I love it. It's 18 lb.

00:52:04.400 --> 00:52:10.119
I mean, it's got dual 1080s, right? Dual

00:52:08.240 --> 00:52:14.960
1080s. Totally unfettered dual 1080s. No TDP

00:52:13.359 --> 00:52:18.880
restrictions. None of that BS. Does this thing actually have a battery? Yeah.

00:52:16.800 --> 00:52:23.119
It's not very big. Can you like run this thing for like 15 minutes on the

00:52:20.079 --> 00:52:24.960
battery? I didn't even ask. If you It's

00:52:23.119 --> 00:52:28.640
like It's like asking about the fuel economy of a Lamborghini. Yeah. It's

00:52:26.559 --> 00:52:33.839
like So, this thing gets a good highway fuel. Like when I go on a road trip to

00:52:31.119 --> 00:52:40.079
Castlegar, British Columbia, how many times will I have to fill my tank with

00:52:36.000 --> 00:52:44.079
super super premium? No. Okay. Okay. So,

00:52:40.079 --> 00:52:46.559
we've got a 21 in curved display. 21in

00:52:44.079 --> 00:52:49.040
curved display. So, wait, how is the curved display? Cuz I don't think I've

00:52:47.760 --> 00:52:54.559
ever seen a laptop with a curved display. Nobody's ever seen a laptop with a curved display because it's

00:52:51.839 --> 00:52:58.400
bananas. cuz it's completely I mean the clamshell

00:52:56.079 --> 00:53:02.559
like is it like kind of like the surface uh the surface bulk but kind of like in

00:53:00.960 --> 00:53:05.359
reverse where it's like on the front but it's like it's a big it's a big you know

00:53:04.079 --> 00:53:10.400
you flip it upside down you got a big smiley face like it's it like it doesn't

00:53:07.599 --> 00:53:13.520
or a banana shape let's say yeah and we should have put a banana next to it for

00:53:11.839 --> 00:53:16.960
scale which would have been the optimal way to you see the picture of someone

00:53:14.960 --> 00:53:21.040
put a 12-in MacBook on top of it was the most hilarious thing ever oh man no I

00:53:19.359 --> 00:53:28.800
didn't it was it was like yeah I mean you can imagine what that would look Like it was like uh I don't know.

00:53:25.599 --> 00:53:30.240
Terrible. Yeah. Terrible. So, okay. So,

00:53:28.800 --> 00:53:35.920
this thing is custom order though, right? Like this is not like a thing I'm just going to walk into. No. No. I

00:53:34.160 --> 00:53:40.400
talked to them about that. Okay. That was the plan, right? But they've

00:53:38.000 --> 00:53:43.440
actually since reversed that decision. Really? Yes. There was that much

00:53:41.920 --> 00:53:48.880
excitement, that much hype about it. It is not. Okay. So, um, I had a contact of

00:53:47.200 --> 00:53:54.000
mine who you also know, but I'm not going to name this person, reach out to

00:53:51.200 --> 00:53:59.200
me and tell me that if I could steal it from Acer, this contact of mine would

00:53:56.720 --> 00:54:05.040
pay double the sticker price to have it today. Wow. I believe, and apparently

00:54:03.119 --> 00:54:08.640
Acer also believes that there is a market out there. I don't know what

00:54:07.119 --> 00:54:14.319
retailer is going to carry this thing. I mean, can you imagine accepting a return

00:54:10.480 --> 00:54:16.400
$9,000 on a $9,000 laptop? That's That's

00:54:14.319 --> 00:54:19.680
There goes all your profit in the entire laptop category for the day for the

00:54:18.000 --> 00:54:23.760
store. I'm assuming Acer is selling it directly. I would have assumed that too,

00:54:21.680 --> 00:54:26.319
but I I don't think so. Wow. I think they're trying to go because they're a

00:54:24.800 --> 00:54:30.720
channel company, right? Right. I don't think they've ever sold anything directly. I mean, they have an online

00:54:29.280 --> 00:54:35.359
Oh, actually, does Acer even have an online store? I think I think they have

00:54:33.839 --> 00:54:38.880
to figure that out. I think they have to go direct.

00:54:37.200 --> 00:54:42.880
So, what I heard was because they had pre-announced this a while back, right?

00:54:40.720 --> 00:54:46.160
But the CS was the actual proper like this this is an actual thing. It's on

00:54:44.720 --> 00:54:48.960
sale. They've shown it in person before, but this was my first hands-on and they

00:54:47.760 --> 00:54:55.440
had like two of them there. Like it's it's a more real piece of hardware now. I knew it was real when John did a video

00:54:52.160 --> 00:54:59.200
on it, right? So the idea here is that

00:54:55.440 --> 00:55:00.480
for $9,000 you're getting $9,000. It's

00:54:59.200 --> 00:55:05.440
too bad it's not over $9,000, but whatever. Um so 21in display. Yeah.

00:55:03.119 --> 00:55:09.680
You've got dual 1080s curved display. I mean of course naturally. Um it's got a

00:55:07.359 --> 00:55:12.960
mechanical keyboard. Yeah. Is it not terrible or no? Yeah, it's fine. Okay,

00:55:11.280 --> 00:55:18.200
it's fine. I should Yeah, I was about to say you can fit like fulls size keys.

00:55:14.720 --> 00:55:21.280
Yeah, it doesn't have like three or four

00:55:18.200 --> 00:55:23.200
drive like isn't there like multiple PCI

00:55:21.280 --> 00:55:27.920
dual NVMe and then I think it also has a 2 and 1/2 in and then I'm not sure about

00:55:25.280 --> 00:55:31.680
anything else. Okay. Yeah. So, this thing is ridiculous and I love it

00:55:29.760 --> 00:55:35.559
because of that. Yeah. Like this feels like what when I first started going to

00:55:33.280 --> 00:55:40.240
see Yes. way back in 1973. The thing was things were exciting

00:55:38.960 --> 00:55:46.079
and part of it was because I was like minus 14 years old. But like the exciting part was look at all this crazy

00:55:44.400 --> 00:55:50.559
wild stuff that's coming out and I feel like CES is so safe now. It's like oh

00:55:48.160 --> 00:55:54.880
look this laptop is marginally thinner or this phone is slightly faster. This

00:55:52.720 --> 00:55:57.680
is crazy. This is cool. I love that. Pushing the limits. Absolutely. And

00:55:56.480 --> 00:56:00.960
that's what tech should be about. That's what CES should be about. This is I

00:55:59.760 --> 00:56:05.280
absolutely love everything about this. It's a great CES actually. It's not bad,

00:56:03.280 --> 00:56:09.119
man. It's not bad. I mean, my voice has been completely dead all day, but

00:56:06.640 --> 00:56:13.040
besides that, it's not bad. But no, this thing is awesome. I'm totally sad that I

00:56:11.040 --> 00:56:17.839
haven't seen it yet. Is it uh is it Acer? They're suite. Uh it's sad. They

00:56:15.760 --> 00:56:22.319
they So, I had never actually visited them at CES before. Yeah. They rent out

00:56:19.760 --> 00:56:27.200
like the entire floor of like I I forget exactly where we were, but it was like

00:56:24.240 --> 00:56:29.680
it's like a proper space. Huge. Okay. I might have to go try to swing by and see

00:56:28.559 --> 00:56:34.000
that tomorrow cuz that sounds awesome. Uh if you need a contact there, I will

00:56:32.240 --> 00:56:37.839
I'll let you know after the uh after the show. So can I chime in with something

00:56:35.359 --> 00:56:42.240
that I saw at CES? Yes. Have you checked out Faraday Future? No. Okay. Do you

00:56:40.559 --> 00:56:47.839
know anything about Faraday Future? No. Okay. So hit me. Basically Faraday

00:56:44.559 --> 00:56:49.440
Future is a new company that is it has a

00:56:47.839 --> 00:56:54.880
lot of former Tesla employees and essentially what they are doing is they're building I would say a

00:56:52.319 --> 00:56:59.599
competitor to the Tesla Model X. Right. So it's a it's got some goofy. It's like

00:56:57.079 --> 00:57:02.960
FF91 or something. I probably butchered that, but um basically what they're

00:57:01.200 --> 00:57:08.000
doing is they're launching it's a luxury SUV, fully electric, right? So, they're

00:57:06.000 --> 00:57:11.200
definitely taking notes out of Tesla's playbook, right? I mean, it's a fully

00:57:09.599 --> 00:57:14.319
electric vehicle. It's very expensive. It's got screens and stuff, but these

00:57:12.799 --> 00:57:18.640
guys have kind of taken it to the next level. So, you've never seen this at all? No. Look up a picture of it and I

00:57:17.280 --> 00:57:23.599
want your initial reaction if you can like screen cuz it's a polarizing design

00:57:21.359 --> 00:57:26.400
for sure. What they've done is Okay, I'm screen sharing. Okay, let's do it. Let's

00:57:25.200 --> 00:57:31.280
do it. Do it live. What am I looking for? Fair day future. Um I believe it's

00:57:28.720 --> 00:57:36.960
the FF90. Uh, does anyone know Fair Day Future? Was it FF91? No. FF91. Yeah. Oh,

00:57:34.880 --> 00:57:39.680
wow. It's not even It's I mean, they only announced it the other day. They

00:57:38.400 --> 00:57:45.440
actually had like a disastrous press launch where it was supposed to like park itself and it didn't. But it looks

00:57:43.280 --> 00:57:48.000
like a Batmobile. There you go. There you go. No, it

00:57:46.559 --> 00:57:52.720
doesn't. It looks like like something out of Tron maybe. It's or something

00:57:50.640 --> 00:57:56.000
out. Yeah, it's super unique looking.

00:57:54.160 --> 00:58:00.400
Honestly, I will say this. I saw the pictures. I'm like that is hilariously

00:57:57.680 --> 00:58:04.559
ugly. Saw in person it's not that bad. I mean it's still a enormous so it's super

00:58:02.400 --> 00:58:07.280
long right. So they have models with like two and three rows of seats but

00:58:06.000 --> 00:58:11.440
like if you get the two row you're basically seeing like a first class like

00:58:09.119 --> 00:58:15.680
airline seat like it is massive back there. So we got to check it out.

00:58:13.760 --> 00:58:18.640
Marquez and I had actually Marquez did a full video if you guys want to go check

00:58:16.880 --> 00:58:22.160
that out. He went really in depth on it and the whole thing. But essentially

00:58:20.720 --> 00:58:25.760
there are a couple of the cars around. There's one actually at the show floor where you can take a look and that's the

00:58:24.559 --> 00:58:30.799
one I think that you're looking at right there where it's like the full exterior

00:58:28.400 --> 00:58:34.000
like so this is all LED here. Hold on. Let me uh let me go back to uh share

00:58:32.720 --> 00:58:38.559
with them again. Yeah. Yeah. So basically the whole grill right here is

00:58:35.760 --> 00:58:42.559
all LED. Um there also there's like a lighter that pops out of the hood. Um

00:58:40.640 --> 00:58:46.640
there are like lights below for like the inductive charging. On the side they're

00:58:44.720 --> 00:58:50.799
LEDs. I believe they said that there are 13 different displays. Like on the doors

00:58:49.040 --> 00:58:53.920
they're displays. When you sit in the car, each person has their own display

00:58:52.640 --> 00:58:59.680
in the door where they can change like the heated seats and stuff. This thing is wild. It's crazy. But the cool part

00:58:57.839 --> 00:59:03.280
is, so this is the one with the fully done interior and exterior. Um, they

00:59:02.000 --> 00:59:08.240
said it's basically what the production car is going to look like. And this is going to be shipping. I believe you can

00:59:06.160 --> 00:59:11.119
actually purchase one uh already if you pre-order. Um, I don't know what the

00:59:09.839 --> 00:59:15.359
actual price is going to be, but I know you can drop $5,000 on a pre-order,

00:59:13.119 --> 00:59:18.079
which of course, you know, for a car. But what we actually got to do, what was

00:59:16.799 --> 00:59:23.440
cool, was we actually got to drive in it. So they had a couple of sort of beta

00:59:21.040 --> 00:59:26.720
models of the car. So the first one was the autonomous driving. I think it was

00:59:24.720 --> 00:59:30.160
the same one that they showed. So at their actual press conference, I think I

00:59:28.799 --> 00:59:35.680
was I didn't actually watch it, but I what I heard is that they did it twice and one of the times it failed. Yeah, I

00:59:34.240 --> 00:59:38.960
heard that. Yeah, we actually got to do it. It was a fairly simple demo.

00:59:37.359 --> 00:59:41.760
Honestly, it was not anything crazy. We basically got in the car, it drove

00:59:40.400 --> 00:59:46.240
around the parking lot, found a spot, pulled in. Okay, sure. Not crazy. Cool.

00:59:44.720 --> 00:59:50.319
What was really cool is we actually got to drive in the performance test. So

00:59:47.839 --> 00:59:54.000
they had this enti giant like basically airline hanger looking thing, right? It

00:59:52.160 --> 00:59:58.079
wasn't an actual airline hanger, but a huge inside space. It was all kind of

00:59:55.920 --> 01:00:01.359
roped off. So the main test driver who's like doing all like the shakedown, super

00:59:59.920 --> 01:00:05.440
passionate guy, right? And if you watch Marquez's video, you'll see he's the guy

01:00:03.119 --> 01:00:08.880
who's who's actually driving the car. So we did a little, you know, kind of like

01:00:07.119 --> 01:00:12.799
driving around. Mind you, this is an enormous vehicle, right? It's hard to

01:00:10.400 --> 01:00:16.160
get an idea. Like for scale, maybe like a Chevy Suburban, it's like something

01:00:14.240 --> 01:00:19.280
like that. It's much bigger than a Model X. Now, I don't know the exact It's

01:00:18.160 --> 01:00:24.960
huge. And you can kind of see in the pictures where it's like it's very long and stretched, right? Big big vehicle.

01:00:22.960 --> 01:00:27.599
It's allseason tires. Like this is not like this should not be a crazy

01:00:26.000 --> 01:00:34.319
performance vehicle. So, we started doing like some skid pad stuff, some slow stuff. Then we did a launch. This

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thing is unbelievably fast. Huh. So,

01:00:34.319 --> 01:00:41.359
have you ever done like a launch like a Tesla? I have never been inside a Tesla.

01:00:38.400 --> 01:00:44.079
Never really. We should do that. But, okay. So, Teslas are fast. And one of

01:00:43.119 --> 01:00:48.319
the things that make electric cars really quick is that the fact that they get that instant torque, right? You hit

01:00:47.040 --> 01:00:53.319
the motor, it's not like it's got to spin up and change gears. You get 100%

01:00:50.240 --> 01:00:56.640
of power immediately. Yeah. So, this

01:00:53.319 --> 01:00:58.079
giant giant car, SUV, crossover,

01:00:56.640 --> 01:01:04.000
whatever you want to call it. Yeah. Will do 0 to 60 in 2.3 seconds. What? 2.3?

01:01:02.000 --> 01:01:07.520
For comparison, that Lamborghini you did is probably somewhere in the 3se second

01:01:05.200 --> 01:01:11.280
range. Yeah. No, no, it's much lower than that. Yeah. Yeah. So, hold on.

01:01:09.760 --> 01:01:15.599
Well, let's let's look it up. cuz I'm pretty sure 2.39 is what they quoted

01:01:13.680 --> 01:01:21.359
which seems kind of cheeky because the Tesla will do 2.4. So like 2.4 how slow?

01:01:18.480 --> 01:01:26.079
We do 2.39 like it makes a difference but this thing launches unbelievably

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fast. It is an enormous enormous vehicle on allseason tires. is unreal is like

01:01:29.359 --> 01:01:35.119
when they launched it like it really felt like have you ever been on like one of those roller coaster rides where it's

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like you're at a stop and it'll like do like they like launch you like it's just

01:01:37.040 --> 01:01:42.720
like that instant immediate like that first half second where you like go from

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zero to like 30 it feels like it was crazy and I've been in Teslas and I mean

01:01:44.799 --> 01:01:49.280
it's not crazy different but the difference is this thing is enormous.

01:01:48.160 --> 01:01:54.160
No, you're right. You're right. Yeah, it's probably somewhere in the sort of

01:01:52.240 --> 01:01:58.720
the Aventador. I don't think I see the uh you had the uh Gallardo. Yeah, the

01:01:56.960 --> 01:02:04.160
Gallardo. It's going to be three, maybe low four, but this thing is 2.4 seconds,

01:02:01.240 --> 01:02:08.079
2.39. Fairy Future is a company that has a lot of issues as far as like the whole

01:02:06.960 --> 01:02:12.319
like they're trying to build like a factory in North Las Vegas, which apparently they've been having a lot of

01:02:10.480 --> 01:02:15.760
issues with funding. There's like there's a lot of like behind the scenes

01:02:13.760 --> 01:02:19.119
thing, but keep in mind this company is brand new, right? They've never created

01:02:17.280 --> 01:02:23.040
anything. Uh, one of the guys said that they're 1500 employees already. Like

01:02:21.200 --> 01:02:26.880
this is the first uh car, but obviously the idea is that they're going to be building more. Like they've got the

01:02:25.359 --> 01:02:32.880
chassis and the motors and stuff. This thing has like a 1000 horsepower, by the way. And it's supposed to have uh I

01:02:30.400 --> 01:02:36.880
think 130 kilowatt hour battery, which is probably why it's so long, right?

01:02:34.960 --> 01:02:39.839
It's a super interesting thing. I think a lot of people are afraid it's going to

01:02:38.160 --> 01:02:43.839
be vapor and that the company may not actually be able to pull through, but

01:02:41.599 --> 01:02:49.680
from what I saw, they've got something cool here. I think it's a little bit

01:02:47.000 --> 01:02:53.119
polarizing on the looks front, but the interior that I saw was cool. But most

01:02:51.359 --> 01:02:58.319
importantly, the performance is real. Like it's an actual thing that they are.

01:02:55.599 --> 01:03:02.559
it might not be ready for prime time and next year it might not be ready to

01:02:59.839 --> 01:03:05.920
actually be on sale. But it was really surprising after hearing all like the

01:03:04.000 --> 01:03:08.880
the negative stuff around because I mean they're a fairly private company right

01:03:07.440 --> 01:03:13.760
now since they actually haven't like released a product. But I've got to say

01:03:11.440 --> 01:03:16.799
for everything I've seen at CES so far besides one thing which is going to be

01:03:14.880 --> 01:03:20.799
in a video soon I can't talk about. But besides that, this is one of the coolest

01:03:18.880 --> 01:03:25.039
things I saw. Okay. So yeah, that's significantly faster than my motorcycle.

01:03:23.119 --> 01:03:29.200
What What do you have? Uh it's an SV 650S and I think that gets uh looking

01:03:27.359 --> 01:03:33.359
just looking it up online somewhere in the neighborhood of 3.3 seconds which is

01:03:31.039 --> 01:03:41.280
insanely fast. Yeah. But this is like a giant giant like SUV like a boat. Wow.

01:03:37.599 --> 01:03:43.839
It's crazy. 1 horsepower. 1 horsepower.

01:03:41.280 --> 01:03:47.839
So yeah fascinating. That is one of the coolest things I've seen in a while. I

01:03:45.599 --> 01:03:52.640
did not expect it to be as actually legit as it was. Here's a cool thing

01:03:49.839 --> 01:03:59.440
that I saw. Um, LG has abandoned the modular smartphone concept after one

01:03:54.559 --> 01:04:02.720
attempt. So, um, in response to all the

01:03:59.440 --> 01:04:04.319
haters that I got on my G5 review, which

01:04:02.720 --> 01:04:07.520
was not a very positive review, I did get a couple things sort of wrong, which

01:04:06.079 --> 01:04:12.480
happens from time to time. Uh, you know how it is. Um, in response to all the

01:04:10.559 --> 01:04:16.520
haters, this is the best thing ever. My friends and I all own G5s. We think it's

01:04:14.319 --> 01:04:22.079
the best thing since sliced bread. Um, apparently more people agreed with me

01:04:19.039 --> 01:04:24.160
because it's dead. The thing was they

01:04:22.079 --> 01:04:28.000
didn't really do it right. No, they immediately got upstaged by the Moto Z,

01:04:26.079 --> 01:04:31.440
which you just snap it on. You've played with Moto Z, right? I have. It's a much

01:04:29.920 --> 01:04:34.960
better way of doing it versus turning the phone off, taking it out, clipping

01:04:33.520 --> 01:04:38.400
on with the battery, which always felt to me like this is like you're going to

01:04:36.799 --> 01:04:41.440
break it. Yes. And then you have to put it back in and reboot it, and then it

01:04:39.920 --> 01:04:44.400
was always like everything had to be on the bottom, right? Whereas being able to

01:04:42.960 --> 01:04:48.880
snap stuff on the back, I think, was a better solution. Very cool. And plus,

01:04:46.240 --> 01:04:52.799
not only that, but Project Ara died uh what, a couple months ago, right? So,

01:04:50.400 --> 01:04:55.599
the modular smartphone thing. I don't know. So, it's try they're trying to go

01:04:54.160 --> 01:05:00.640
modular smartphone. And at the same time, Apple's getting even tighter

01:04:57.760 --> 01:05:05.680
integrated and now we're waterproof and we're this and we're that. And it's it's

01:05:02.240 --> 01:05:08.480
it's hard to compete with. Look, I feel

01:05:05.680 --> 01:05:12.640
like purpose-built device for mainstream consumer stuff. the idea of being able

01:05:10.960 --> 01:05:16.559
to open it up and to be modular and to be able to customize it. I feel like

01:05:14.319 --> 01:05:20.960
that battle was lost a while ago. For enthusiasts, sure, but for mainstream

01:05:18.559 --> 01:05:23.440
stuff, like you can't there's not a whole lot you can do. Like if what if

01:05:22.160 --> 01:05:27.920
you open that laptop, what can you do to it? I can change the SSD and the

01:05:25.200 --> 01:05:31.359
wireless card. Perfect. Super awesomely upgradeable, right? And this is not even

01:05:29.680 --> 01:05:36.240
like a mainstream laptop, I would argue. Like this is very high-end. This is

01:05:32.799 --> 01:05:38.400
something that was Yeah. So, I feel like

01:05:36.240 --> 01:05:42.079
with something like a smartphone, modularity is cool, but like something

01:05:40.400 --> 01:05:46.880
like Project R kind of struck me as a thing where it's like this is a cool

01:05:43.839 --> 01:05:49.039
idea in theory, but like who is exactly

01:05:46.880 --> 01:05:53.520
going to buy this phone? Yeah. So, I don't know. I The G5 was a cool phone. I

01:05:51.760 --> 01:05:56.319
didn't really dislike it that much. I just thought that it was a little goofy

01:05:55.039 --> 01:06:02.319
and also I didn't like the sort of plastic metal finish on it. Right. But,

01:05:59.319 --> 01:06:04.400
I'm not surprised. Okay. Well, I think

01:06:02.319 --> 01:06:07.760
that's pretty much it for uh for my topics. I mean, there's a couple other

01:06:05.680 --> 01:06:12.359
little things. There's a new HDMI spec uh 2.1. 2.1. So, that actually is 8K

01:06:10.160 --> 01:06:19.200
ready, right? Yes, it is. So, dynamic HDR, 8K resolution, and more. And more.

01:06:16.240 --> 01:06:22.960
My favorite part. Um, also that shiny new wallpaper TV, blah blah blah. I've

01:06:21.760 --> 01:06:28.400
got to go check that. Is that the LG booth? Uh, yeah. Yeah, dude. I've got to check that. Don't expect any updates and

01:06:26.480 --> 01:06:32.319
it's out of date already. Basically, HMI 2.1. So, there you go. I I mean it

01:06:30.160 --> 01:06:36.559
doesn't matter because you don't need 8K support on a 4K TV, but um isn't that

01:06:35.119 --> 01:06:41.520
how that works? You know, more pixels are better, right? I'm frustrated at the

01:06:38.640 --> 01:06:46.720
way that the TV makers treat TVs like a one year and done. Oh, dude. Absolutely.

01:06:44.480 --> 01:06:51.520
So, I I asked LG, I was like, "Hey, so the signature, is that getting support

01:06:48.880 --> 01:06:56.799
for those two additional HDR um formats that the new TVs are the 2017

01:06:54.799 --> 01:07:01.359
models are getting?" Like, they're like, "No." And I'm like, you understand this

01:06:59.119 --> 01:07:06.079
is an $8,000 product, right? On some level. You know what surprises me? Same

01:07:03.839 --> 01:07:08.559
thing with cars, right? So, you can buy a car and it's like the next year

01:07:07.520 --> 01:07:12.880
there's like, oh, look, we're adding like Android Auto and CarPlay. Seems like it should be a software update.

01:07:11.440 --> 01:07:18.079
Like, oh no, you have to buy a new car. Yeah. It's like, are you are you kidding

01:07:14.720 --> 01:07:20.400
me? It's like it's like I feel like the

01:07:18.079 --> 01:07:26.400
reason aside from just being cheapcapes, like not investing the R&D, I feel like

01:07:22.960 --> 01:07:29.520
the main reason is actually this

01:07:26.400 --> 01:07:31.760
incredibly myopic attempt to not

01:07:29.520 --> 01:07:37.039
cannibalize sales of the new product. Yeah. And what it demonstrates to me is

01:07:34.400 --> 01:07:42.880
a complete and utter lack of understanding of what the upgrade cycle

01:07:40.319 --> 01:07:49.520
for a major purchase like a high-end TV or a car would be. Right? That's not a

01:07:45.039 --> 01:07:52.640
yearly thing. No, a 20 basically all

01:07:49.520 --> 01:07:55.760
you've done, you haven't incentivized a

01:07:52.640 --> 01:07:59.440
2016 customer to get your new OLED. You

01:07:55.760 --> 01:08:03.039
have given them a gigantic like 3inch

01:07:59.440 --> 01:08:05.039
girth dildo up the butt. It's pretty

01:08:03.039 --> 01:08:09.680
accurate for buying from you. That's what you've done.

01:08:07.039 --> 01:08:14.480
Yeah, I agree. You screwed them. You bent them over and screwed them. And

01:08:12.400 --> 01:08:18.239
then what? You expect them to care that you added some stupid new feature that

01:08:16.960 --> 01:08:22.640
you're not giving to them because you're a jerk. I and when it's actually time

01:08:20.640 --> 01:08:26.080
for them to replace that TV in five years, right? You think they want to

01:08:24.480 --> 01:08:29.440
come to you? I mean, they don't really have a choice because nobody's doing

01:08:27.679 --> 01:08:33.920
this properly right now, right? But 5 years from now,

01:08:32.000 --> 01:08:37.440
frustrating. I don't know, man. I don't know. So, that's my take on that. That's

01:08:35.440 --> 01:08:40.799
just a short rant. Yeah. So, I think that's pretty much it. Uh, thank you

01:08:39.279 --> 01:08:46.000
guys very much for watching the WAN Show. Huge shout out to Austin. You guys

01:08:43.040 --> 01:08:51.440
got to go check him out over at uh Austin, not Duncan 333303. You You tell

01:08:49.600 --> 01:08:55.679
them where to find you. I don't know. Um Austin Evans on YouTube. That's right.

01:08:53.359 --> 01:09:01.440
That's all I really Hey guys. Hey guys. This is Austin and I have no voice. Hey

01:08:58.640 --> 01:09:06.000
guys, this is Austin and I'm I'm annoying. Yeah, it's completely accurate

01:09:04.159 --> 01:09:09.920
on all fronts. So you guys go check him out. He's going to have presumably at

01:09:07.920 --> 01:09:12.480
least one video from CES. We've been down here for like four years. I've

01:09:10.960 --> 01:09:15.600
actually already shot three videos, but they're all being spaced out. Yeah, I'm

01:09:14.080 --> 01:09:19.920
just spacing them out. The content calendar, the schedule, you know,

01:09:17.480 --> 01:09:23.759
production words, you know, I got like a team. We got to have like a meeting and

01:09:22.239 --> 01:09:28.640
Well, to be fair, we are supposed to be editing a video right now and people are texting me that the video is due and I'm

01:09:26.400 --> 01:09:32.080
like here with you. So, so I'll let you go. All right. Thanks, guys, for tuning

01:09:30.400 --> 01:09:37.279
in to the WAN Show and we will see you again next week. Uh, not at the same

01:09:35.040 --> 01:09:42.159
time, but definitely on the same channel, probably with 100% more Luke, I

01:09:39.440 --> 01:09:48.159
hope. Yeah, I hope so. He's in uh he's in pretty rough shape. Poor guy. He's

01:09:44.400 --> 01:09:48.159
got to get up so early tomorrow, man.