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definitely not alive right now. CES, man. It is CES. Uh Brandon, don't leave

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yet. Uh because someone needs to check and see if the Twitch stream is actually

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working. Or are we just talking to ourselves right now like we have been doing all day? Yeah. Uh no, I I talked

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to um I had a meeting with Kingston. Okay. I talked to them. Okay. Were they

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alive? They were not. Uh, they were alive but barely. That sounds about

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right. Yeah. And they were more alive than my contact at Corsair. Got it. Who

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is definitely not alive? Who made it through a presentation only to basically

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I had a meeting with King. It does actually look like we are

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indeed live. So, uh, people are saying it works, which is sort of amazing. And,

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uh, there you go. So, here we go, guys. It's WAN Show time. I've got a special

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guest, Austin, here. And uh we're going to be talking pretty much CES stuff.

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Yeah. Um Luke is Oh yeah. Where is Luke?

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says echo. So Oh, you know what? You

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know what? I had the uh I had the Twitch stream playing for like for like a

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second. I think that was it. So, um yeah. So, Luke isn't here because he has

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to get up at uh 5 in the morning tomorrow. That sounds exciting.

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Actually, probably around 4:45. I was up at 6:00 this morning. Does that count

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for anything? Was that for um was that for like a special event? Okay, cool.

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Are you able to talk about that at all? Like, was it pretty cool? Yes, we got to

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do a test drive on a track with BMW with the i8. So, I got to do some hot laps

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with an actual race car driver. It was I didn't completely embarrass myself. I

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was really proud. Really? I almost spun the car once, but I I was able to save

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it. Very nice. So, tell me something. Did you What was your best lap time? It

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was So you guys went to Speed Vegas, right? Actually, I can I can pull it up.

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I think it was like 76. Tie game. Tie game. But what did you

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drive here? Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. I had a BMW i8. Okay. Uh let me let me

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just pull up uh my picture that I took. Uh suspense is real. I know, right?

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You're going to say like I got a 55. No big deal. Okay. Here we go. Here we go.

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Hold on. So uh wait, where where am I? Uh Sebastian Linus. Okay. So, there's

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me. I was in a Gallardo. Oh, 76. Yo, no.

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78 right there. So, what were you? No, no, no, no. Your best dime is 76. Oh,

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best. Oh, 76. Mine was 76. But like, dude, like your car had like twice as

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much power as mine. Why don't you cry some more? We tied. We

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tied. Wait, what was your top speed? What was your top speed? Mine was 134. I

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don't know what my probably was way higher. Uh 138. Oh, wow. Okay. Yeah, the

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Gallardo is not like the most amazing one they have there. I drove the Huracan

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as well. And the 488, man, that 488 was mean. Did you hear that thing? Sound

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like a proper race. It was like It was like straight piped, right? Like that. That's the one that was So when they

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were doing the briefing, the safety briefing for us, that thing was ripping

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past on that straight stretch. So it was so loud like inside the building, right?

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two BMW i8s and they sound cool, right? But it's a partially electric car. You

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could call it a hybrid even though it plugs in and everything, but the thing

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it's like basically it's like a three-cylinder motor with an electric

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and it sounded good. I'm like, "Oh, it sounds like race car and stuff." Then

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that 488 went by. I'm

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like, "No." Is uh Did you guys do a video with King uh with Corsair? No. Uh

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so the Corsair event was bizarre. I can't talk about anything that happened

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at it. Got it. Got it. Besides there was a 488 and a Gallardo. Besides the

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besides the cars. Got it. Yeah. So, and the cars were fun, which was cool. Um,

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so we've got people we've got people posting walls of text in the chat.

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Lionus doesn't read the Twitch chat. I'm reading the Twitch chat. Uh, also,

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you're you're uh you're going to take a little time out there, my friend. Yeah,

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that's right. Oh, are you moderating the chat? Oh, I just I just moderated the

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chat live. This is riveting content right now. That's right. Okay. No, let's

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let's get into the real riveting content. Here is the intro.

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I actually don't know if the music's working. I think it is, but I don't

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know. I'm going to dance to it as if it is. Well, they can't see you. It's fine.

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I'm going to dance to it for you. I mean, I can see you. I can watch you dance, which is great. Um,

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no. I I'm I'm I'm banning I'm banning I'm banning I'm banning Han Solo Cody.

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Yeah, that's right. It's banning time. That's right, dude. We've been here for like 3 minutes and you're banning

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people. It's banning time. It's like it's like uh CES has been a long hard

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track for Lionus. Yeah, this has been rough. It's it's actually been you know

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what it's actually been our most organized year at year at I mean that

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doesn't mean my brain is still working but I mean no one's is at this point but it's it's been pretty organized

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actually. Nick did almost all of our scheduling and I just kind of go where

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I'm supposed to be and take too long there. Dude, every time I've seen you

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you guys seem to have everything together which is impressive. Seam. So,

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we forgot the batteries for our FS5.

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Like, straight up. No batteries whatsoever. One battery and no charger.

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Can you get those locally? We're borrowing from Jay's two cents. By

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the way, we actually have extra batteries if you need them. Massive shout out to Jay's two cents who came

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through unlike Austin Evans in our time of need with an FS5 battery. Wait, what?

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Massive shout out Jay's two cents. You know, the salad. If I could have Jay's

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two cents here on the show instead of Austin. instead of Austin. I would have,

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but the guy's too famous. So, uh, you're stuck with me, unfortunately. So, there

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we have to Have you seen anything? I've like Okay, so I've been here since

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Tuesday night. Same time. No, I was here Monday night, I think. I've had almost

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no time to look at anything. I've been like all over the place doing stuff that

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to walk around the show floor for like an hour. So, why don't we structure the

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show like this, right? I'll explain CES to you. Okay. And you can be um you can

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be like So, you're going to try to impress me right now with CES? Yeah. Okay, let's do it. I'm done. Okay. Okay.

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So, AMD, so original article here is

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from I am really hoping that what I'm about to do right now is going to work.

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and here we go. I think it's going to work. Okay, so the original article here

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is from PC World cuz our video is not up yet. Um, but

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apparently apparently AMD Ryzen not

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apparently AMD Ryzen apparently is here. It's here. Is it really here? It is

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here. Here. Wait, when you say it's here as in like can I go buy it yet? Well,

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not that kind of thing. It's not here yet. It's not that kind of here. No, no, it's a different kind of here. Okay. So,

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do you want to know the kind? Are you just gonna be a smartass or you gonna do you want to know what kind of here it

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is? Yes, I am. You invited me here. You should know what you got yourself. Okay. So, I invited you here. Yes. Which means

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physically in this location. So, when I say AMD, Ryzen is here.

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All right. Continue. Okay. That's that's QED right there. I got you. I got you.

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So basically they had the same demos that they did from their live stream

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where they had the Ryzen processor and the $1,000 6t900 K from Intel and they

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had them uh playing a game like playing a like a a playback of a game. So it's

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running in the actual game engine, but no one has to sit there and actually play it. So So they're playing back the

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game and they're streaming to Twitch on both of them at the same time. So

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there's like you basically can tune into the Intel stream or was it like a split

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screen deal? completely separate one B one tower one tower playback and stream.

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Okay, so the idea is is that not only can you game you can also stream. So

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it's kind of putting extra load on the processor and showing you that this can

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actually stream. So not only that, but

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what they're saying is that their I think they call it infinity fabric or

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something. The way that the eight cores communicate with each other makes their

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CPU able to multitask in that way better

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than Intel. Interesting. And so the practical demo that they're doing here

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is noticeably better. Okay. There's less delay on the Ryzen stream, right? And

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there's less blocking and artifact. So what do you mean by there's less delay?

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didn't think that that delay had anything to do with processing. So I'm

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not going to until I've set up my own test setup where I take like my gigabit

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pipe and I set it up at home or not well

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not I don't have a Gigabyte pipe at home, but I'm just going to have a moment of

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sadness here. Okay. So, so I set it up

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in the in the studio and I see it for

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myself, right, that one of the streams is more or less delayed than the other,

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but what was noticeable was the image quality. For some reason, the AMD stream

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didn't have as much blocking. Now, with that said, what I don't know, so I I I

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did open up all the boxes. Okay. I opened up the machines. It was legit, at

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least hardware wise. Yes, the hardware was legit, but I don't know if there

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could have been any variability in the internet. Did you see like bit rate or

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anything like that? Like what their backend settings were? So, I need to

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validate it for myself, but it's an interesting demo. But it's an

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interesting demo. And the obvious question is, well, why not just use um

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NVNC? Like, why not use your video card to encode? And the answer to that is CPU

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encoding looks better, which is true. So, if you have a processor that can

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game and CPU and code at the same time, then sure, great. Okay. So, then they

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had another demo. They're running Battlefield 1 4K, right? With GTX Titan

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XP, which is like, okay, that sounds

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about right. I mean, given that NVIDIA didn't give the cards to them, I I guess

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time to time. might happen from time to time that might they might make it into

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the Labs, you know, it's uh

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say this, um the the the frame rates

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touch, right? You could navigate the tank exactly in the same spot and you

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could kind of move it around and see how the depths went. fire the gun, see how

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it dips. Yeah. And Ryzen mostly held its

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own. Okay. It's like 96 to 97% of the

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way there. And close. They don't have their dynamic clock boosting on yet. Oh,

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right. Cuz like wasn't the first demo they were showing something like it was like clocked at like 3 GHz, whatever,

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compared to Broadwell. Right. So now they've got it clocked at 3.4. Okay. And

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that's all eight cores. And that's all eight cores. But the rumor is that it's

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going to boost maybe another 300 MHz higher than that. Okay.

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So, that's interesting. Interesting. So, do we have uh an idea of what price is

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going to be on this thing? No. Okay. So, this could be really impressive or just

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kind of whatever. So, there's a couple different ways that AMD can attack this.

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They can either go the route that we've seen cuz okay, how many years has it

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been since we've had a graphics card that has come in and been like 60% as

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fast of the as the flagship or or the like Okay. Okay. Let's say it's like 90%

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as fast as like the next one from the team other team, right? Right. And it

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comes in at like 70% of the price, right? It doesn't happen. Doesn't happen

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anymore. Yeah. I mean, 480 was like pretty good, but then NVIDIA countered

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with the 3 gig 1060 and and and it all kind of the stack made sense again. Your

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laptop just turned off like almost immediately.

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I thought the toll stream just crashed. Sorry. Go ahead. Go ahead. All good. Um

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Jeez, man. Look, that screen just went like black a little too fast. Sorry.

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Sorry. Yeah, I totally got you. Right. So, they they're pretty much going to

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price this whatever they want to. And if they think they can come close to Intel

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performance, they might as well come close to Intel price. But if they do

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that, what do all the AMD fans who have

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been waiting all this time for AMD to come up with something competitive, what

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do they have to show for their for their patients? So AMD is in a position where

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they have to be aggressive, right, to please their fans. I think I

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feel if they go too aggressive, they

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force Intel to react. So AMD needs to

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kind of be like a little bit better. And

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it's almost if like if they give it away, Yeah. they're actually going to

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they're going to screw themselves. So what do you think? What? So say we're

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getting 90% of the performance with Ryzen, right? Just throwing a number out there. So throw a random number. Sure.

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So what if that's like 80% the price? I think that's I think close. Okay. I

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think maybe even So I think it'll be like 80% of the price on the chip and I

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think the board's going to be a little cheaper. Yeah, I agree with that because Intel charges a lot for a chipset. The

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boards were also shown at CES, right? Yes. So, the platform very interesting.

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I thought cuz AMD said, "Look, we're

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we're making a high-end CPU, damn it. And so, we're going high-end." But the

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reality of it is that there's a lot of stuff about HDT, high-end desktop,

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Intel's 2011 3 platform. That makes no

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sense even in an enthusiast computer. Sure. Do you need 40 PCI Express Lanes?

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What What are you hooking up to your PCI Express Lanes? Uh, 18 graphics cards.

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Right. Exactly. Okay. So, do you need all of these PCI Express lanes? Um,

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probably for certain super high uh applications, but I feel like 98% of

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people never actually utilize that. That's right. So, Intel's HDT

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has server DNA. Right. Right. And

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platform with its um 16 plus4 PCI

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left is kind of four lanes for your Now we've got NV storage. Exactly. We've got

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SATA drives. We've got like maybe you want to throw in some a couple more PCIe

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cards. Um you know, motherboards are starting to ship with 10 GB networking

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on them that uses a significant amount of bandwidth. Um, so I feel like Intel's

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consumer is almost too consumer. Sure.

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Sure. No, I can totally agree with that. Yeah. So AMD went right in the middle.

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Okay. 24 PCIe lanes off the CPU. So

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that's 16 dedicated for graphics. Yeah. Another four dedicated for NVMe storage.

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Okay. And another four to the chipset to handle your LAN USB 3.1 Gen 2. So when

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you say dedicated, it's not specifically dedicated, right? I believe it is

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because Intel is set up somewhat similarly. That's what DMI 3.0 is. It's

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basically PCIe that goes from the CPU to the chipset that acts as a

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communications hub. So, so AMD has gone

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and positioned Ryzen and their 370X, I think, is the

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the highest end chipset. Yeah. Kind of like dead center.

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Okay. Okay. So, that makes sense. I feel like I mean first of all they've got

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eight cores and it seems like these eight cores are going to be a pretty

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decent step up over what we've had in the past from AMD that's for sure. Yeah.

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So it's like it makes sense that with more cores they're going to there's a

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little bit more room kind of in the middle for them to kind of aim for the

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other features like PCI. That's right. So I'm done with that. I think it makes

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sense. Um and they're giving us a lot there five different chipsets which I

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thought was a little over the top. Yeah. So there's a super low power one designed for very small form factor

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stuff. Okay. There's two that would be considered high-end and enthusiast level

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that will enable overclocking. Ah okay. So they're going a similar and then

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there's two more like a like a mainstream and a business one or something like that. I I forget exactly

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what they all are, but um they're going

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a similar route to Intel on the whole like um you know, pick your page and

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pick your decoder ring and like you get unlocking except that every Ryzen CPU is

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unlocked. So, you don't have to pick a special

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CPU. You just have to buy a special board. Okay, I'm done with that. I'm

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done with that. Why? Like, why not, right? I agree with that move. Yeah,

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absolutely. Because the reality of it is is even on the Intel side, if you're

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going to overclock, you should be buying a decent board anyway. Of course.

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Absolutely. Yeah. And any decent board is going to have a Z series chipset or X

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as it were anyway. Yeah. So, don't lock

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down the CPU. You buy whatever CPU you want and then you buy a decent board

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which presumably will have a top tier chipset and you overclock it. Yeah.

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Absolutely. So, there so far it looks

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like the approach is pretty consumer friendly. Yeah. Yeah.

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I mean, you know, I I'm not one to have

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a ton of faith in any corporation. And I know a corporation is still made up of

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people, but I'm not one to have much faith in a corporation. So, I'm saying

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an entity with a board of directors because boards of directors are not and

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shareholders. Those are not the real people that you interact with, right? Or

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that I interact with. Those are the people who need to make sure that their next bonus is even bigger than the last

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one. That's right. These are these are money people. These are not these are

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not human interaction with customers and with influencers and with resellers

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people. So I have very little faith generally in a corporation to act in a

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consumerfriendly manner. Absolutely. Once they have a product that they can

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sell for $722, I expect them to charge

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$724 with a $2 mail and rebate. Okay,

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that's my expectation. Sign me up for that. Sign me up for that. Yeah. So, it

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is refreshing for me to see

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that this thing is competitive. Yes. And that they're not necessarily going to

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grab the opportunity. With that said, we know nothing about pricing, right? Do we

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have a rough release date at all? Um, I think a rough release date is uh

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sometime in Q1. Oh, okay. So, we're pretty close. Well, they had not only

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like two demo systems. So, they had a lineup of 15 systems from like Origin PC

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and like this weird like Chinese computer brand I'd never heard of. It

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had like this crazy case. Like they had a bunch of partner systems, right? They

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had Ryzen running in like the Vega demo.

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it is my it is my belief at this time

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that I am the only one who has actually touched Vega. You actually touched it

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here at the show. Not only did you drop it? No. Well, you know what? I did Whoa.

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Whoa. What? I did drop this. I did drop the chip. You actually did. There's a

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dead chip. I did. I did drop the chip. Was it dead before after you dropped it

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before? It wasn't even attached to a GPU. Yeah. So So I was I was playing

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with the chip. I was holding it. I was looking at it and um and I It like fell

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out of my hands. No one was looking at it. Sure. Of course. Yeah. Camera wasn't

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rolling. So it wasn't it wasn't I wasn't like staging it to be funny. It was just

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I was like, "Oh, shoot. I dropped it. Crap. I've never done that before."

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Ever. But no, real Vega. So, our video is coming on that probably tomorrow. And

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okay, so what's the low end there? I feel like we we're like going hard on AMD right now. But other than that, is

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there anything else? Every time we every time we talk about any AMD news, like

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our viewers are just like, I mean, it's it gives us a reason to be excited. It

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is actually an exciting time. I feel like the last couple years have been

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rough. Like, haven't they? It's been it's been rough. It's about time for

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some good news, for some positivity. 2017 like have you played around with

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KBL Lake? No. 7700 K. Not even a little bit. Okay, don't bother. Okay, cool. I

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will not do that. Now we're on the same page. Perfect. Don't bother. Don't save

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your time. Unless Do you want to watch 4K Netflix? You know what? On your

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computer? No, I don't. Okay. No. Then uh Never. Never have I ever. Dude, I don't

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watch Netflix on my computer at all. I'm like I I like watch Netflix either on a

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tablet or just on my TV. Okay. Yeah.

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Yeah. I buy that. the built-in TV apps generally they get a lot of attention

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and Mike uh the TV I use actually has 4K and HDR as well so it's like it's all

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built in like I usually don't like to use like the built-in TV apps but like

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it's all right there like same thing we've been watching like Grand Tour through Amazon 4K HDR touch nothing it's

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actually it's beautiful beautiful show

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uh yours is the um the Samsung one that you did the uh sponsored gaming setup

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thing for right yes uh in that's the same one that I got for World's Most

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Comfortable. Is it? I believe so. I think so. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. It's a

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nice TV. It's a good TV. Now, of course.

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Of course. This year, the TV game is changing. Is it really? Is it actually

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changing? Just wait. Okay. Okay. Okay. I

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I'll give you this. I'll give you this. Samsung is redefining the television

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category. Redefining? Tell me more. With Q dot. Wait. QLED. QLED. Sorry. QLED.

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QLED. There's actually some dot in here, too. I I screwed up and I called it Q

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dot because it's quantum dot. Quantum dot. Wait, but wasn't quantum dot

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already a thing? Yes, but now they're calling it QLED. QLED. So I think the

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the QLED is thing. I think the intent is

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to make it sound like O and look like OLED. Oh yes, sure. Now well speaking of

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OLED, just jumping in. Did you see the Sony OLED? No. Sony now has three TVs. I

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don't know there's a specific brand name for them, but Sony now has three OLED

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TVs and if you like find a picture of them, it's cool because it's essentially

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um it almost looks like an easel sort of thing where like it sits down. It's like

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kind of tilted back. So from the front you just see a super thin bezel and

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there's like nothing below it. So what they're doing is they're doing some interesting stuff with the actual

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speakers where it's actually resonating through the glass. I've heard of stuff

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like that before and it's got a sub in the back. Yeah, you can see right there.

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Here. Um, I'm going to try and screen share with them. Hopefully. Oh. Oh, I

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pressed a bad button. No. No. I think we're good. I think

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we're good. Are we still alive? Yeah, we're we're live. We are live. So, this

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is from the verge.com. Yeah. So, you can see it's there's basically like almost

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no bezel, right? So, and there's nothing there's no bezel on the bottom. And you

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can look at it from the side. So, basically, I don't know if you see any like rear pictures, but it's sort of

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like got like a tilt in the back where there's a sub. But the idea is is that

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not only is it thin, but there's some kind of speaker setup that's like

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actually uses the glass. There you go. But it uses the glass to actually

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resonate. So, I haven't actually heard it. They have the demos up, but

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obviously it's the show floor. But the the Sony rep was talking about how it's

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sort of an interesting experience to have the sound come not from like the bottom of the TV, but actually from like

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around the TV. Yeah, exactly. Just jumping in. But OLED is the game is

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definitely kind of heating up there. So, I feel like Samsung absolutely has to be

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feeling the pressure. So, I did go to LG today. Yeah. And I saw the wallpaper TV.

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I haven't seen that yet. Okay. It mount. Okay. So, all all you need to know to

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know what's amazing. It mounts with magnets.

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It mounts to the wall with magnets. Okay. I need to see this. I I just heard

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about this like an hour ago. Okay. So, it's really cool. It's like So, it's

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fully rollable. Like you can like completely No, no, no, no, no. But like

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they have one in the booth where they have like like a robot ARM that's like

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peeling it up a bit and then putting it back. So you can see how thin it is and

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you can see how it's just like sticking, right? It's crazy thin. And what LG is

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doing is uh you Okay. Do you know how I have my home computer set up with

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Corning optical Thunderbolt? You have it all in the closet? In the Yeah. Going in

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the closet. Okay. So you know Okay. So

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your Samsung TV, you know how it has the one connect? Yeah. Absolutely. So, it

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has a one. It has a single connector, assuming you don't need to plug in hardline networking,

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right? You don't need networking. Yeah.

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No, Wi-Fi is for chumps. Yo, I mean, I literally I have an onhub router like 6

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inches away from my TV which has one Ethernet

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out. I have a switch in the back of the TV, but it's fine. Okay, I'm good. I'm

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fine. So, anyway, the one connect is a single cable that goes to the TV and

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then the the wire the cord is not very long. I think it's only about 4 ft.

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Sure. Yeah, something like that. Yeah. So, so the idea though is that that's

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where all your HDMI inputs go and then the antennas, I think. So, it's like

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clean wiring, right? Anyway, LG is

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taking it one step further. So, they've got a short cable that runs to like a

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speaker bar that sits under it. Um, that also acts as all the inputs and

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everything. Kind of like on their signature last year where it had like that speaker bar base. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah. With all the inputs. Okay. So this year they're using an optical cable that

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is pretty short to start but comes with a 6ft extension. Okay. So you can

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actually get like the input nonsense kind of like away from it if you're

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using your own home theater speaker setup and you would basically just have

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this wallpaper TV. How did the actual TV look? Really good. Okay. So it's like

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even being as thin as it is like there was no like was it 1080 4K? Oh it's 4K.

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4K. And what size was it? Um, it was So they're doing 65 and 77. All right.

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Yeah. So about the like the right size. You get any bigger than that, it's like

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the thing's not transportable. Sure. Right. Like how you going to get it home? Yeah.

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This sounds cool. Okay. Interesting. So

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is this still in the concept stage, I'm guessing? No. No. This is going to be a

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real product like Q1. Yeah. It's like Q1. Oh, yeah. It's coming. Yeah. Like

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there's like lots of them here. So there's a bit of a caveat, though. It's

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OLED. it still doesn't achieve the 1000nit peak brightness that is

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considered acceptable for mastering HDR content in the first place. So even

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though LG is supporting all four I didn't even realize there were four all

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four flavors of HDR. So there's HDR10,

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there's Dolby, there's uh Technicolor.

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Okay. And then there's um See, I actually might still have my notes open

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from the LG booth today. Yeah, technic.

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Yeah, cuz I know that there's main 10, which I feel like is probably becoming

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the most popular right now, but I think most like the Xbox One actually Xbox One

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is main 10, I think. Yeah, main 10. That's I think that's the last one.

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Yeah. So, so it supports all four. Although, one thing I do have, but so it

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doesn't achieve that peak brightness that people are looking for. And then they also have a quantum dot competitor.

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And it took me It was so funny. So, I'm

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like, "What is this?" The guy's like, "Nanod." And I'm like, "So, what is it?"

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He's like, "It's a it's it's it's nano particles that are made to optimally

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filter and enhance red and green." And I'm like, "Okay." Or red and blue,

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whatever it is that I think it's red and green. Anyway, whatever. So, I'm like,

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"Okay, so it's quantum dot." And he's like, "No, it's they're 1 nanometer

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instead of like 2 to 12 nmters of our competitors. It's like putting the

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filter closer to your eyes." And I'm like, "Okay, so like how how does it go

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in there?" And he's like, "It's on a film." And I'm like, "Okay, so it's quantum dot." And he's like, "Look,

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we're not supposed to say that." And I'm like, "Dude, what? I have like 18

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minutes in your booth. Is it quantum dot?" And he's like, "Yeah, it's quantum

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dot." But it's like really good quantum dot.

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I'm like, "Okay, like that's fine. I respect that. There's nothing wrong with that. But don't confuse me

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intentionally. Just tell me what it is because it's my job to debsify this

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stuff. Don't BS me. Go go go put that on your flyer at Future Shop or Best Buy.

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Oh, Future Shop doesn't exist anymore or whatever. Canadian. We don't Circus

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City. Yeah, the source. Um, so, so go

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put that on your flyer. I don't care. My audience is too smart for that. They're

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going to kill me and that's going to make me mad at you for you telling me

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the wrong thing to tell them. Don't do that to me. So anyway, so yeah, it's

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quantum dot. So quantum dot. So basically the biggest really real downside there is just the brightness.

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But like on a panel so thin, I feel like I would be willing to kind of give that

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up a little bit. And you know what? Quite frankly, um there's only one piece

402
00:28:08,799 --> 00:28:16,880
of HDR content that isn't a tech demo that I've that I've seen like Okay, I'll

403
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:21,840
say movie actually cuz some of the stuff on Amazon Prime like an ultra HD

404
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:24,720
Blu-ray. Um yeah, Life of Pi looks Oh,

405
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:30,320
yeah. Unreal. Yeah. In HDR. Yeah. Absolutely unreal. And with the

406
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:33,840
signature, which was I think 600 nits peak brightness, I want to say it

407
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:37,760
really. Yeah, it wasn't that high. But because the blacks are so deep and I'm

408
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:41,039
usually watching in a fairly dim room, I didn't feel like it took away from the

409
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:44,559
experience at all. Right. I didn't feel like the whites were not quite dazzling

410
00:28:43,039 --> 00:28:48,399
enough. Um yeah, I mean that that's a that feels like a really bright TV. I

411
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:51,200
didn't realize. So is a 1000 nits for all of the HDR standards or is it

412
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:55,440
different depending on the standard? Okay, so it's complicated because this

413
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:59,440
whole thing is complicated. OLED gets so there's two different standards there.

414
00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:01,679
So OLED kind of gets one standard. I see what you mean because the blacks are

415
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:05,279
deeper. Right. Because it's not necessarily about the peak brightness as

416
00:29:03,679 --> 00:29:10,080
much as it is about the contrast. Right. Range. Right. Right. Right. So it's

417
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:14,640
different rules for LCDs that can't achieve pure black. Right. So they have

418
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:17,559
to go crazy crazy white to burn your retinas. That's right. So So LG's are

419
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:22,720
hitting like500 nits peak brightness on the uh

420
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:28,559
uh uh uh nano nano dot or whatever they're calling it. Wow. That's a lot. I

421
00:29:25,279 --> 00:29:29,760
think Samsung's QLED is up near 2,000 or

422
00:29:28,559 --> 00:29:34,080
something like that. What's the point? Like at that point, like the TV that's

423
00:29:31,919 --> 00:29:38,080
like got to be insanely bright. So, so the point is not that you would ever

424
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:42,159
have the whole TV that bright. In fact, one of the most annoying things about my

425
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:45,840
OLED at home because I use it I have a computer hooked up to it. If I open up

426
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:50,799
file explorer full screen, whole thing goes down because between oh, we can't

427
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:55,919
handle between power like power efficiency like like regulations, right?

428
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:59,919
They can't actually draw that much power to have every pixel 100% white. You know

429
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:05,520
what this feels like? This feels like car manufacturers getting into like a horsepower war. It's like, well, our car

430
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:08,559
can do 200 mph. Wars can do 205. It's like the speed li 65 mph. I don't know

431
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:15,760
what you guys are talking about. This feels exactly like that. And to actually punch through the nonsense and test it,

432
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:18,640
right, requires actually quite complex

433
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:22,240
test patterns because you have to have enough enough dark in the scene to kind

434
00:30:21,039 --> 00:30:28,320
of trigger the algorithm to go, "Hey, look, I can actually crank the brightness, right, man? Dude, this HDR

435
00:30:26,399 --> 00:30:32,480
stuff is goofy, right? Like HDR content looks nice, don't get me wrong, but like

436
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:36,559
the standards, all the different styles, like it's such a a nightmare. It is a

437
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:42,080
total nightmare. Like why do we need four? Like I didn't even realize there were four. I knew of three. It's a

438
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:46,320
cluster, man. It's a total cluster. And then on the content creation side of

439
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:49,520
things, it gets more complicated. So, this actually had nothing to do with the

440
00:30:47,679 --> 00:30:54,320
show this year, but I had a great meeting with a guy from Portrait, which

441
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:57,919
um formerly Spectracal. Do you know Spectal? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So, they got

442
00:30:56,159 --> 00:31:01,840
acquired by Portrait. So, now his email is him at Portrait. So, I'm like, "Okay,

443
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:06,080
hi. You're you're still you, but now you're you still exist. Good job.

444
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:10,640
Different you. Acquired you." So, I had a meeting with him and he goes, "Yeah,

445
00:31:08,799 --> 00:31:16,159
mastering HDR content is a total disaster. There's one display. It's like

446
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:19,520
a 30 something inch display that everyone is using. I forget what the

447
00:31:17,919 --> 00:31:25,760
number was cuz it at that point it doesn't even really matter. It was like 30,000 or $50,000 or something like

448
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:32,080
there's one display and there is the support is like kind of

449
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:34,880
iffy. Um, Da Vinci Resolve apparently is like kind of the go-to. I hear a lot

450
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:38,960
about that with HDR. Yeah. Um, and he goes, "But there's there's

451
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:43,120
like there's like a so so that's why only like huge budget guys, right, are

452
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:46,320
able to master an HDR coloring on a $50,000 display, you probably have some

453
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:50,880
resources behind you. You can use scopes, right? And you can kind of get

454
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:54,559
there, right? But that's not the right way to do it. And if you want if you're

455
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:59,200
if you want to grade for an aesthetic, you have to be able to look at it. And

456
00:31:56,000 --> 00:32:00,640
the thing is, so when you master an HDR,

457
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:06,559
and we've I like I've looked into it a little bit, but like I kind of get daunted by just like how much there is.

458
00:32:03,679 --> 00:32:10,880
Yeah. So HDR is all 10 bit, right? That's my understanding. But like 10 bit

459
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:16,240
is not HDR, but HDR is always 10 bit. Or can it be more? Yes. Okay. So at least

460
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:19,440
10 bit, right? Which is pretty much all web content like this, for example, is 8

461
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:23,760
bit. Like basically everything you watch right now is 8 bit. Yes, YouTube does

462
00:32:21,519 --> 00:32:27,840
support. It does now. It does now, but it doesn't support 10. It's HDR, which

463
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:32,640
is all underneath it. But then there's also the color space is wider. Isn't it

464
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:36,320
like 2020? That's right. which is like 30%. I don't know. It's it's it's a

465
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:41,200
wider color gamut. Much wider. Yeah. And there's no display on Earth that can get

466
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:46,240
anywhere near everything in Rec 2020, which is fine because there's a lot of

467
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:49,360
room to grow in it. Um and then and then

468
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:50,600
making matters even more complicated is

469
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:55,840
that um if you're working with a monitor, so

470
00:32:53,519 --> 00:32:59,679
let's say so so for example LG is launching some HDR monitors. So, the

471
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:05,120
first thing I did, I was like, "Blah, blah blah. Are these suitable for content creation?" And they kind of go,

472
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:08,000
"No, we'll get back to you in that." Oh, okay. Okay. That's like a maybe. That's

473
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:12,640
a strong maybe. No, that's I don't think it's strong. I think it's I think it's a

474
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:14,159
weak sauce. Maybe. Um, and so I so I

475
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:17,120
went I went straight to my portrait guy and I'm like, "Hey, do you think we can

476
00:33:15,919 --> 00:33:23,840
create HDR on this?" He kind of goes, "Yeah, it depends. Can it do a 1000 nits peak brightness? He really wants that."

477
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:26,559
Okay. And it depends on what kind of HDR

478
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:30,399
it supports. Then then it's dependent on the video card. So it was only this

479
00:33:28,559 --> 00:33:35,120
generation of Pascal video cards from NVIDIA where they finally allowed 10-

480
00:33:32,159 --> 00:33:39,279
bit output on the non-quadros. Is that what it was? That's something

481
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:44,480
that they've been holding back on quadro for since well for forever pretty much.

482
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:48,720
Right. Right. Cuz 10 bit has preceded HDR. 10 bit has been around forever. In

483
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:53,919
fact 12 bit video has been around for That's right. Yeah.

484
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:59,840
Okay. So basically come on. Basically, this is like Blu-ray versus HD DVD

485
00:33:56,320 --> 00:34:02,640
except lame and times a thousand. Yes.

486
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:07,760
And yeah, pretty much. So, anyway, there's a solution. So there was there's

487
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:13,359
a Sony TV that's around 56 grand that's like a 65 in that has a mode

488
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:20,639
specifically designed not for mastering HDR but it's designed to behave like an

489
00:34:17,839 --> 00:34:24,480
HDR mastering display so that the client can sit and look at the TV while the

490
00:34:22,399 --> 00:34:27,760
colorist is working on the 30,000 40 whatever however many thousands of

491
00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:31,119
dollars. But what people have discovered is that it's actually very suitable. Oh

492
00:34:30,079 --> 00:34:36,960
really? So you can use it for everything. So, we're thinking about, hey, maybe we should make a color

493
00:34:34,399 --> 00:34:39,919
station. Have you guys looked into actually, and we're probably get way in

494
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:43,919
the weeds here for a second, but like what the actual workflow is to get HDR

495
00:34:42,079 --> 00:34:48,960
content onto YouTube. Is it just a simple Okay, I haven't. I think you

496
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:52,800
export in Premiere, right? Then you plunk it into Da Vinci Resolve. Oh, this

497
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:57,040
is selling. Hold on. Hold on. And then it adds a bunch of metadata, right? And

498
00:34:55,119 --> 00:35:00,000
then exports. And then you upload with the metadata. That's I've never tried

499
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:04,880
it. To be fair, I do know the new version of Final Cut does support Rev

500
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:06,480
2020 straight out. So So you can take

501
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:11,280
Final Cut. Yeah. And you can put it up your butt. I could do that or I can

502
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:16,400
render my beautiful HDR video available now at youtube.com/lines techtips. Yeah.

503
00:35:14,720 --> 00:35:21,040
As if I would upload your videos. They're far too crispy for my channel,

504
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:22,640
my friend. So assuming that you get the

505
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:27,280
file out somehow and even if it's a giant pain, you have to like run it through multiple things. Can you just

506
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:29,920
upload it to YouTube? Because I know we were looking through there are HDR

507
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:33,599
videos that you can watch on YouTube now, right? But there's no clear way of

508
00:35:32,079 --> 00:35:38,480
knowing that you're watching HDR content unless you pull up like the stats for nerds. It's not there's a little like

509
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:42,960
HDR badge like 4K, which is like right, is this even working? And not only that,

510
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:46,079
to make things even more complicated, say I get an HDR video to YouTube,

511
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:49,680
YouTube compresses it and all that kind of stuff. It sends it out. How do you

512
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:53,520
watch HDR YouTube unless you have maybe like a chcast Ultra? That's the only

513
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:57,200
device I know that does HDR right now, right? Cuz like there are no computer

514
00:35:55,440 --> 00:36:00,280
monitors that you could watch it on. Not yet, but soon. There are no phones that

515
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:06,960
are HDR compatible maybe. Oh, that's I I Oh, I

516
00:36:04,079 --> 00:36:12,000
thought Isn't the iPhone 7? It's It's wide gamut. It's wide gamut HDR, not

517
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:16,560
HDR. Cuz I I know that uh the iPhone and the iMac, they they both have the same

518
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:20,480
It's not uh it has a specific color space that's not the same, but it's it's

519
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:26,000
wider. I don't know if it's HDR, though. So, it gets even more complicated there

520
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:27,599
because uh I talked to Dell and uh they

521
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:32,240
were saying that one of the issues in the industry is that there's lots of

522
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:36,359
monitors out there that are going to do better than SDR but not are not up to

523
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:41,440
the like the the cinema industry HDR spec and I think

524
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:46,640
the industry has basically decided to just call them HDR with like HDR

525
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:51,599
certified or some other moniker to come after that. Man, come on. Okay, this is

526
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:57,280
actually gross. Let's give up on HDR. Have you seen the 8K display? No, I have

527
00:36:54,720 --> 00:37:02,880
not seen it, but it sounds crispy, as they might say. Oh, kill me. Um, okay.

528
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:06,720
Yo, so did you actually see it yet? I touched it today. You touched it? Okay.

529
00:37:04,720 --> 00:37:13,119
I touched it. Was it actually? I touched it with my eyeball because that is how

530
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:16,480
close I had to get to see a pixel. There's no way you can

531
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:20,960
see pixels. There's no way on AK. What? How big is the display? Okay, it's uh

532
00:37:18,079 --> 00:37:28,320
it's 32 in I believe from Dell. Okay, it's unreal. So, the thing had about 15

533
00:37:24,720 --> 00:37:30,880
imagine this. Okay, 1,500 clock faces.

534
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:35,920
Okay, on a 32-in display. Okay, so it's like like 60 by like 40 or something. I

535
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:40,240
I forget I forget what it was, but I like did math in my head and it was

536
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:44,800
probably wrong. So, you've got like over well over a thousand clock faces, right?

537
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:47,760
I could get right in on them. Okay. And there's like spacing around the clock

538
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:54,000
faces. Like there's like a square and then there's like a circle inside and then there's like lines. And then I

539
00:37:50,720 --> 00:37:56,400
could see I could see the minute lines

540
00:37:54,000 --> 00:38:03,440
on the clock faces. Okay. Okay. Okay. Can you just calm down

541
00:38:00,720 --> 00:38:08,000
for a second because I don't think I can handle the stress right now.

542
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:13,440
Okay. So I'll just calm down. 8K monitor. So let's come down to Earth for

543
00:38:09,839 --> 00:38:14,720
a second. Yeah. Can I actually No. Okay.

544
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:22,079
Thanks. Go ahead. But whatever you're going to say, no. To connect it to anything, you

545
00:38:19,119 --> 00:38:27,599
need dual DisplayPort. No. No. No. No. Worse than that. Is it really? Okay,

546
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:33,440
here we go. So, step number one. Step number one. It is 10 bit, which is cool.

547
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:37,520
Great. Um, it is it has great viewing angles, which is cool. I expect for like

548
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:44,960
a million dollar monitor. It has a programmable L which basically means

549
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:47,200
that you can calibrate the monitor

550
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:51,760
directly. Okay. And then plug it into anything and it will retain the the

551
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:56,960
color properties of the printer that you want it to to look like. Right. Okay.

552
00:38:55,119 --> 00:39:00,960
Okay. Got it. Programmable like if you plug in through the hub, right, the USB

553
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:04,640
hub on the monitor and and there's a supported um it's the i1 it's the i1

554
00:39:03,359 --> 00:39:08,480
display pro. It's like that the standard one that everybody uses. And if you use

555
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:12,800
that, it even like fills in all the metadata and crap in the calibration

556
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:16,320
program that Delco created with XR. It's like this is over the top. I love it. Go

557
00:39:14,720 --> 00:39:20,000
ahead. Okay. So, so very cool. Very cool. Um,

558
00:39:18,720 --> 00:39:25,119
but how do I actually I want to watch some AK video? Not HDR. That's fine. No

559
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:29,680
HDR. Okay. I just want pixels that you just want pixels. We just discovered

560
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:31,200
that HDR is terrible. And I didn't say

561
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:36,720
terrible. Well, okay. It's a disaster. It's a mess. Okay. Okay. Okay. So now it

562
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:39,680
is a tiled display. So you remember the early 4K displays guys where I still

563
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:46,960
have one of those in my uh in my apartment. Yeah. Right. Okay. So where we were doing two DisplayPort 1.1s in

564
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:48,680
Yeah. Okay. So here's the problem.

565
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:54,079
DisplayPort 1.2. How high does it go? You remember

566
00:39:51,760 --> 00:40:00,160
1.2? That was 4K, right? 4K. How many hertz? 60. That's right. Okay. So here's

567
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:02,800
I have a comment. Here's a small problem. Yeah. What can I do for you?

568
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:07,280
They're working on getting it to work with just one cable, not two. Yeah, of

569
00:40:05,359 --> 00:40:11,839
course they are. Oh, well, they said you'd be like all thrilled. One cable?

570
00:40:10,240 --> 00:40:15,680
Are you trying to say that? DisplayPort 1.4, I think. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

571
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:19,760
Yeah. We'll talk about that later. Okay. Sorry. Okay. Thank you, Taran. Um, I got

572
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:25,040
to get like do a whole Mission Impossible creep over here. All right.

573
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:26,480
Um, okay. So, so, right. Okay. So, the

574
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:34,000
math is pretty simple then, right? We're two DisplayPort 1.2 4K 60 Hz, right?

575
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:36,320
So, a a quarter of the way there. 8K is

576
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:38,880
quad that four times that, right? So, but we're not plugging in four display

577
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:44,960
ports. Of course not. That would be crazy. Nothing Nothing like that is going to be happening. So, you need

578
00:40:42,240 --> 00:40:51,200
DisplayPort 1.3, right? Which is not super common. Two of them. 1. What does

579
00:40:47,839 --> 00:40:55,599
1.3 do? 1.3 I I don't remember. Yeah,

580
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:58,800
1.3 does do 5K 60 Hz. So, that's enough

581
00:40:55,599 --> 00:41:01,200
to drive the 33 million pixels. 33

582
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:10,079
million. That's a 33 megapixel. That's right. Wow. Um, so the only cards on the

583
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:15,119
market are the latest generation Pascal

584
00:41:10,079 --> 00:41:17,760
based Quadros, the P3000, the P4000, and

585
00:41:15,119 --> 00:41:20,560
the P6000. So, you know what? Why don't we just for fun? You know what? Because

586
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:28,240
this is the kind of thing that I do for fun. I go on neweag.com, okay? And I get

587
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:34,560
really really mad about whatever is taking over my screen right now and I go

588
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:37,359
P3000 Quadro. Got it. Let's do it. And

589
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:42,400
then I hate my life. Prime time because I can't even buy one. So there's that.

590
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:47,119
Uh are they they're on sale though, right? I thought so. I actually I mean

591
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:50,800
they they had a demo unit that Okay. No, I mean clearly the computer that they

592
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:54,000
had in the booth was running off of some Yeah, it was running off a Quadro,

593
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:57,440
right? Okay. Hold, hold on. Why is my Why is my computer Why is my computer

594
00:41:55,520 --> 00:42:03,200
being a buttthead? Now's not the time. Buttthead. Okay. Quadro

595
00:42:00,839 --> 00:42:06,520
P6000. Can I buy one? The Quadro stuff. Like I I'm

596
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:16,720
You're killing the stream right now, man. I'm probably I'm probably killing the stream. You used all the internet. There's no internet left. Okay. Quadro

597
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:19,520
P3000 price. Let's just try good old Google. And I spelled it wrong, but

598
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:24,800
Google will fix that for me. Thank you, Google. Google Overlords. So, no one's

599
00:42:23,359 --> 00:42:28,079
even talking about it. Where Where do I get one? Okay. Wait, are they on sale

600
00:42:26,720 --> 00:42:32,880
yet, though? I I don't even see anything. No, go. Yeah, I I got nothing.

601
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:36,560
Quietly announces. Yeah, announces in July, but like I don't see them. I mean,

602
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:41,520
I'm guessing these things are not flying off the shelves right now, but Yeah. So,

603
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:45,599
okay. So, there you go. Two DisplayPort 1.3s. So, give up and go home. Oh, and

604
00:42:43,599 --> 00:42:49,240
did I mention that the monitor costs five grand,

605
00:42:48,319 --> 00:42:54,160
which actually unreasonable? Yeah, that's not totally insane. That's not that far out

606
00:42:52,720 --> 00:43:00,560
there compared to like Yeah. I don't know if you guys remember like the old Apple 30-in from like Oh, man. Dude,

607
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:05,280
that was like that was that was like 12 years ago. 13 years ago. Yeah. Back when

608
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:10,400
the 30-inch monitors first 1440p, right? No, that was Well, uh that was the

609
00:43:07,119 --> 00:43:12,800
predecessor to 1440p. 2560 x600 back

610
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:18,720
when we had 16x10 aspect ratio. Okay, fine. I loved 16x10 aspect ratio. Now,

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624
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That's awesome. Have you used Synergy before? I've not. Okay. The company is

625
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Seamless and uh Synergy is an application that you can run on any

626
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627
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628
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across all of them. Oh, yo, that's cool. Yeah, that's cool. So, Luke did a demo

629
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with it where he had six computers lined up and just like we moved the mouse

630
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:43,920
across them all. Wait, sorry. So, as if like they were all like one computer and

631
00:44:42,319 --> 00:44:49,119
like a bunch of displays side by side. That's right. How does that work? The

632
00:44:46,079 --> 00:44:52,319
latency is really low. Not like gaming,

633
00:44:49,119 --> 00:44:53,920
but like for desktop use, it's like that

634
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could be like an ultimate way of getting like a giant cheap setup if you don't

635
00:44:55,359 --> 00:44:59,839
want to like get like some Quadro crazy card to like have like a million

636
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:05,720
displays or something. Yeah, potentially. I think more people are using it for like uh this is my like

637
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:09,359
render machine. Oh, I see. They just gooop over here as if it's a separate

638
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:14,440
display, but it's completely different computer, right? That is That's cool.

639
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640
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641
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that out. I'm actually I actually want to go check that out. Those guys are Those guys are going to get those guys

642
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:29,599
are going to get a link in the chat. Let's get that a link in the chat. Let's

643
00:45:28,240 --> 00:45:36,480
get that link going on over there. Yeah, that's right. That's right. That's impressive right there. All right, let's

644
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:39,359
go ahead uh go right there. Okay, so

645
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:41,839
let's uh let's talk about um do you want do you want me to come up with a topic?

646
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:45,359
Cuz I got a pretty good one. I have absolutely no planning whatsoever. I

647
00:45:43,599 --> 00:45:51,280
just showed up. So, which was nice of you. Okay. Uh have you seen Razer's

648
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:52,640
concept triple display notebook? I saw

649
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:57,960
everyone talking about it. I actually haven't seen it in person. I haven't seen anything cool at CES yet. Actually,

650
00:45:55,680 --> 00:46:05,440
I have, but I'll save that for later. me. Is this hug time? You go on camera

651
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:07,599
right now. Okay, it's good. Okay, I feel

652
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:11,119
better now. Thank you. Okay, this is getting a little close. It's not weird

653
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:14,599
enough yet. Okay, sorry. Go ahead. They're very strong.

654
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:22,160
All right. Sorry. Words technology. So, you did a video on the

655
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:26,400
the triple screen. The It's project what? Um Project Valerie. Valerie.

656
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:30,560
Valerie. I love Yo, can we give a shout out to Razer and their amazing project

657
00:46:27,839 --> 00:46:35,599
names? I feel like every CES they come. Yeah, Christine, dude. Okay, so it's

658
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:39,599
essentially Is it similar to like a Blade just with like the screen or like

659
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:45,200
is it a fully custom like laptop? It is similar to a Blade Pro. Okay, so the

660
00:46:42,079 --> 00:46:47,680
17in Blade with the terrible keyboard.

661
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:50,560
Is it that bad? It's awful. It's the mechanical one, right? Yeah. I feel like

662
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:55,359
I tried it. It wasn't that bad, but I didn't actually like properly use. I just like typed for like 5 seconds.

663
00:46:53,359 --> 00:46:58,800
Yeah. Not long enough. Okay. I tried to write my review of the Blade Pro on the

664
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:02,640
Blade Pro and you couldn't and I switched back to my Blade. I was done.

665
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:05,920
Okay, that's that's a resounding recommendation from Mr. Lionus

666
00:47:04,319 --> 00:47:11,920
Sebastian. I was entirely done, my friend. Um,

667
00:47:08,599 --> 00:47:14,800
so basically the con so instead of you

668
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:19,040
know how any modern notebook these days has like a pretty thin screen like

669
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:22,400
display stack, right? They've got like a nice aluminum or like carbon fiber, some

670
00:47:21,119 --> 00:47:28,880
kind of cool material. They've got like a really thin thing. And then they've got like a really slick display stack. I

671
00:47:25,599 --> 00:47:31,680
saw Dell's XPS 132 in one. Super thin.

672
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:36,400
Beautiful. Super thin. Um, so anyway, the Blade Pro, not a Blade Pro, cuz it's

673
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:39,760
just it's about the concept. It's not about the machine it's attached to that

674
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:43,200
was just a convenient reason that they didn't have to create something custom

675
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:48,240
to show their concept, right? But instead of having a thin display, it had

676
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:52,000
like like a display like this, like an old school laptop. Yeah. And then the

677
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:56,400
laptop is like this thick. Okay. I mean, that's not crazy. It's 17 in and it's

678
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:59,599
like this thick. All right. But I mean, okay, for real though, like, so is this

679
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:04,079
your your daily? Yeah, this is my daily. So, it's a 14, right? Yeah. So, if

680
00:48:01,839 --> 00:48:09,440
you're carrying around a 17-inch laptop, portability is probably not your biggest

681
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:10,720
concern. Okay, that's fair. I mean, for

682
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:15,119
me, like, if I'm carrying around a laptop that's that big, being a little bit thicker is not going to break it.

683
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:17,680
Okay, let me hit you with this then. If portability is not your biggest concern,

684
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:24,240
why don't you just carry around a monitor? I mean, I don't carry around a

685
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:26,079
17 or a monitor, but in theory, if I was

686
00:48:24,240 --> 00:48:29,599
a person who was interested in a 17-inch laptop, it's going to be big. So, being

687
00:48:27,599 --> 00:48:34,160
a little bit bigger and having two extra monitors, that that's kind of

688
00:48:32,079 --> 00:48:38,319
compelling. I don't know how useful that's going to be, but that's a cool

689
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:42,079
idea cuz I feel like, wasn't there another

690
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:44,800
uh some dual screen laptop that was like this a few years ago where you would

691
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:48,640
open it up and it wasn't three screens, but it was two screens that would like pop out. I don't remember the name of

692
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:52,720
it, but do you know what I'm talking about? I don't remember that. Um, like

693
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:59,319
Google like dual screen laptop or something, but I'm gonna make a separate argument anyway. So my what I think is

694
00:48:57,359 --> 00:49:04,079
that you're better off creating an attachment that runs off like

695
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:07,440
Thunderbolt 3 and you like how like a clip on that folds up or something

696
00:49:06,240 --> 00:49:12,640
because that way I don't have to carry it all the time

697
00:49:09,720 --> 00:49:17,760
or by the time displays get thin enough for that notebook to make any sense. I

698
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:22,160
think we're going to have lighter much higher resolution HMDs. Absolutely. And

699
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:25,599
I'm gonna sit and look at if I if I need a workspace this big, I'm gonna sit and

700
00:49:24,319 --> 00:49:35,760
look at it in my HMV. This is what I'm talking about right here. Oh, what is that? The co co This is two 10 in. Yeah.

701
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:38,079
Uh co-enisha DZ the DZ. Yeah. So

702
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:40,480
basically it's like two 10-in displays. I don't know what the mechanism is. I

703
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:44,319
think it was a thing where it kind of like pops out. But I've seen this kind

704
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:48,960
of thing before. I've never seen three displays. And everything that I have

705
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:51,760
seen was kind of basic. like it was kind it was obviously super thick. This seems

706
00:49:50,720 --> 00:49:55,839
to be actually even though it's obviously thicker than a traditional screen. It seems like it's like a

707
00:49:54,559 --> 00:50:00,640
properly designed thing that's actually kind of cool. Yeah, there you go. That's okay. So, here let me just um let me

708
00:49:59,119 --> 00:50:05,599
just get that on the stream for you guys. So, this is the one that um that

709
00:50:03,359 --> 00:50:08,559
Austin was talking about. So, it's obviously really clunky and this is a

710
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:13,920
little bit of an older design, too. I don't know when it's from, but it's like it's definitely a few years old. Okay,

711
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:17,440
so here's project Valerie. Have you at least seen it? I've seen like pictures

712
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:21,599
on Twitter. I haven't watched any videos at all since I've been here. Okay. So,

713
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:24,720
here, let's uh let's Oh, so wait. So, do the screens actually kind of tilt out

714
00:50:23,119 --> 00:50:29,520
towards you or are they all flat? So, that depends on which one you're using.

715
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:33,280
They actually had two week. Okay. Okay.

716
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:35,359
So, uh here we go. So, here's the here's

717
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:38,480
the one that really Okay, whatever. Good enough. I mean, Twitch compression is

718
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:42,400
going to look like balls anyway. So, this is the one that had like fo Let me

719
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:47,760
just make sure I'm actually showing people showing this to people. Yeah, I am. Oh, what did I just do? You actually

720
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:53,920
zoomed in. Oh, you opened the the actual image. Okay. Okay. So, this is the one

721
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:57,119
that had like fakeo hinges that are like

722
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:59,200
the concept for how it would kind of

723
00:50:57,119 --> 00:51:02,559
like straighten out and then like fold in and slide in with this is the one

724
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:08,480
that actually gives you a little bit of surround where there's like it's not just a fully flat setup. Okay. So then

725
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:13,839
they also had another one in the suite that had the two outside displays in

726
00:51:11,599 --> 00:51:18,720
front of the back one and you just kind of slid them out and they were all kind

727
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:20,160
of in a straight line. Okay. So that's

728
00:51:18,720 --> 00:51:24,400
what's working now. No, no, they're both equally thick. That one's working now.

729
00:51:22,240 --> 00:51:26,720
And the other one just had like concept hinges done up. They were like, "Don't

730
00:51:25,599 --> 00:51:32,720
pick it up. Don't pick it up. Don't touch it. The hinges will fall off." Have you dropped anything at CES besides

731
00:51:30,079 --> 00:51:35,760
Ryzen? Uh oh, sorry, PE. I've dropped a few things, but I haven't broken

732
00:51:33,839 --> 00:51:38,240
anything yet. Oh wow. Good job. I'm actually doing Dude, we're like halfway

733
00:51:37,119 --> 00:51:42,960
through CES right now, and you haven't broken anything. I'm doing really well this year. Good job, man. So, I'm You're

734
00:51:41,839 --> 00:51:47,359
pulling your life together. I'm feeling good about that. I wouldn't say I'm pulling my life together, but I'm

735
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:52,079
definitely pulling my not dropping things proper together. Yeah, Reddit's

736
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:57,200
going to be unhappy, but whatever. Okay. Predator 21X. Yo, dude, I haven't seen

737
00:51:54,800 --> 00:52:00,400
it yet. It looks so great. It looks like the coolest thing ever. Well, not

738
00:51:58,720 --> 00:52:08,240
really, but it's so ridiculous. I love it. It's 18 lb.

739
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:10,119
I mean, it's got dual 1080s, right? Dual

740
00:52:08,240 --> 00:52:14,960
1080s. Totally unfettered dual 1080s. No TDP

741
00:52:13,359 --> 00:52:18,880
restrictions. None of that BS. Does this thing actually have a battery? Yeah.

742
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:23,119
It's not very big. Can you like run this thing for like 15 minutes on the

743
00:52:20,079 --> 00:52:24,960
battery? I didn't even ask. If you It's

744
00:52:23,119 --> 00:52:28,640
like It's like asking about the fuel economy of a Lamborghini. Yeah. It's

745
00:52:26,559 --> 00:52:33,839
like So, this thing gets a good highway fuel. Like when I go on a road trip to

746
00:52:31,119 --> 00:52:40,079
Castlegar, British Columbia, how many times will I have to fill my tank with

747
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:44,079
super super premium? No. Okay. Okay. So,

748
00:52:40,079 --> 00:52:46,559
we've got a 21 in curved display. 21in

749
00:52:44,079 --> 00:52:49,040
curved display. So, wait, how is the curved display? Cuz I don't think I've

750
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:54,559
ever seen a laptop with a curved display. Nobody's ever seen a laptop with a curved display because it's

751
00:52:51,839 --> 00:52:58,400
bananas. cuz it's completely I mean the clamshell

752
00:52:56,079 --> 00:53:02,559
like is it like kind of like the surface uh the surface bulk but kind of like in

753
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:05,359
reverse where it's like on the front but it's like it's a big it's a big you know

754
00:53:04,079 --> 00:53:10,400
you flip it upside down you got a big smiley face like it's it like it doesn't

755
00:53:07,599 --> 00:53:13,520
or a banana shape let's say yeah and we should have put a banana next to it for

756
00:53:11,839 --> 00:53:16,960
scale which would have been the optimal way to you see the picture of someone

757
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:21,040
put a 12-in MacBook on top of it was the most hilarious thing ever oh man no I

758
00:53:19,359 --> 00:53:28,800
didn't it was it was like yeah I mean you can imagine what that would look Like it was like uh I don't know.

759
00:53:25,599 --> 00:53:30,240
Terrible. Yeah. Terrible. So, okay. So,

760
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:35,920
this thing is custom order though, right? Like this is not like a thing I'm just going to walk into. No. No. I

761
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:40,400
talked to them about that. Okay. That was the plan, right? But they've

762
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:43,440
actually since reversed that decision. Really? Yes. There was that much

763
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:48,880
excitement, that much hype about it. It is not. Okay. So, um, I had a contact of

764
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:54,000
mine who you also know, but I'm not going to name this person, reach out to

765
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:59,200
me and tell me that if I could steal it from Acer, this contact of mine would

766
00:53:56,720 --> 00:54:05,040
pay double the sticker price to have it today. Wow. I believe, and apparently

767
00:54:03,119 --> 00:54:08,640
Acer also believes that there is a market out there. I don't know what

768
00:54:07,119 --> 00:54:14,319
retailer is going to carry this thing. I mean, can you imagine accepting a return

769
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:16,400
$9,000 on a $9,000 laptop? That's That's

770
00:54:14,319 --> 00:54:19,680
There goes all your profit in the entire laptop category for the day for the

771
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:23,760
store. I'm assuming Acer is selling it directly. I would have assumed that too,

772
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:26,319
but I I don't think so. Wow. I think they're trying to go because they're a

773
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:30,720
channel company, right? Right. I don't think they've ever sold anything directly. I mean, they have an online

774
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:35,359
Oh, actually, does Acer even have an online store? I think I think they have

775
00:54:33,839 --> 00:54:38,880
to figure that out. I think they have to go direct.

776
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:42,880
So, what I heard was because they had pre-announced this a while back, right?

777
00:54:40,720 --> 00:54:46,160
But the CS was the actual proper like this this is an actual thing. It's on

778
00:54:44,720 --> 00:54:48,960
sale. They've shown it in person before, but this was my first hands-on and they

779
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:55,440
had like two of them there. Like it's it's a more real piece of hardware now. I knew it was real when John did a video

780
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:59,200
on it, right? So the idea here is that

781
00:54:55,440 --> 00:55:00,480
for $9,000 you're getting $9,000. It's

782
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:05,440
too bad it's not over $9,000, but whatever. Um so 21in display. Yeah.

783
00:55:03,119 --> 00:55:09,680
You've got dual 1080s curved display. I mean of course naturally. Um it's got a

784
00:55:07,359 --> 00:55:12,960
mechanical keyboard. Yeah. Is it not terrible or no? Yeah, it's fine. Okay,

785
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:18,200
it's fine. I should Yeah, I was about to say you can fit like fulls size keys.

786
00:55:14,720 --> 00:55:21,280
Yeah, it doesn't have like three or four

787
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:23,200
drive like isn't there like multiple PCI

788
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:27,920
dual NVMe and then I think it also has a 2 and 1/2 in and then I'm not sure about

789
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:31,680
anything else. Okay. Yeah. So, this thing is ridiculous and I love it

790
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:35,559
because of that. Yeah. Like this feels like what when I first started going to

791
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:40,240
see Yes. way back in 1973. The thing was things were exciting

792
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:46,079
and part of it was because I was like minus 14 years old. But like the exciting part was look at all this crazy

793
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:50,559
wild stuff that's coming out and I feel like CES is so safe now. It's like oh

794
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:54,880
look this laptop is marginally thinner or this phone is slightly faster. This

795
00:55:52,720 --> 00:55:57,680
is crazy. This is cool. I love that. Pushing the limits. Absolutely. And

796
00:55:56,480 --> 00:56:00,960
that's what tech should be about. That's what CES should be about. This is I

797
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:05,280
absolutely love everything about this. It's a great CES actually. It's not bad,

798
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:09,119
man. It's not bad. I mean, my voice has been completely dead all day, but

799
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:13,040
besides that, it's not bad. But no, this thing is awesome. I'm totally sad that I

800
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:17,839
haven't seen it yet. Is it uh is it Acer? They're suite. Uh it's sad. They

801
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:22,319
they So, I had never actually visited them at CES before. Yeah. They rent out

802
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:27,200
like the entire floor of like I I forget exactly where we were, but it was like

803
00:56:24,240 --> 00:56:29,680
it's like a proper space. Huge. Okay. I might have to go try to swing by and see

804
00:56:28,559 --> 00:56:34,000
that tomorrow cuz that sounds awesome. Uh if you need a contact there, I will

805
00:56:32,240 --> 00:56:37,839
I'll let you know after the uh after the show. So can I chime in with something

806
00:56:35,359 --> 00:56:42,240
that I saw at CES? Yes. Have you checked out Faraday Future? No. Okay. Do you

807
00:56:40,559 --> 00:56:47,839
know anything about Faraday Future? No. Okay. So hit me. Basically Faraday

808
00:56:44,559 --> 00:56:49,440
Future is a new company that is it has a

809
00:56:47,839 --> 00:56:54,880
lot of former Tesla employees and essentially what they are doing is they're building I would say a

810
00:56:52,319 --> 00:56:59,599
competitor to the Tesla Model X. Right. So it's a it's got some goofy. It's like

811
00:56:57,079 --> 00:57:02,960
FF91 or something. I probably butchered that, but um basically what they're

812
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:08,000
doing is they're launching it's a luxury SUV, fully electric, right? So, they're

813
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:11,200
definitely taking notes out of Tesla's playbook, right? I mean, it's a fully

814
00:57:09,599 --> 00:57:14,319
electric vehicle. It's very expensive. It's got screens and stuff, but these

815
00:57:12,799 --> 00:57:18,640
guys have kind of taken it to the next level. So, you've never seen this at all? No. Look up a picture of it and I

816
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:23,599
want your initial reaction if you can like screen cuz it's a polarizing design

817
00:57:21,359 --> 00:57:26,400
for sure. What they've done is Okay, I'm screen sharing. Okay, let's do it. Let's

818
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:31,280
do it. Do it live. What am I looking for? Fair day future. Um I believe it's

819
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:36,960
the FF90. Uh, does anyone know Fair Day Future? Was it FF91? No. FF91. Yeah. Oh,

820
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:39,680
wow. It's not even It's I mean, they only announced it the other day. They

821
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:45,440
actually had like a disastrous press launch where it was supposed to like park itself and it didn't. But it looks

822
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:48,000
like a Batmobile. There you go. There you go. No, it

823
00:57:46,559 --> 00:57:52,720
doesn't. It looks like like something out of Tron maybe. It's or something

824
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:56,000
out. Yeah, it's super unique looking.

825
00:57:54,160 --> 00:58:00,400
Honestly, I will say this. I saw the pictures. I'm like that is hilariously

826
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:04,559
ugly. Saw in person it's not that bad. I mean it's still a enormous so it's super

827
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:07,280
long right. So they have models with like two and three rows of seats but

828
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:11,440
like if you get the two row you're basically seeing like a first class like

829
00:58:09,119 --> 00:58:15,680
airline seat like it is massive back there. So we got to check it out.

830
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:18,640
Marquez and I had actually Marquez did a full video if you guys want to go check

831
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:22,160
that out. He went really in depth on it and the whole thing. But essentially

832
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:25,760
there are a couple of the cars around. There's one actually at the show floor where you can take a look and that's the

833
00:58:24,559 --> 00:58:30,799
one I think that you're looking at right there where it's like the full exterior

834
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:34,000
like so this is all LED here. Hold on. Let me uh let me go back to uh share

835
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:38,559
with them again. Yeah. Yeah. So basically the whole grill right here is

836
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:42,559
all LED. Um there also there's like a lighter that pops out of the hood. Um

837
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:46,640
there are like lights below for like the inductive charging. On the side they're

838
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:50,799
LEDs. I believe they said that there are 13 different displays. Like on the doors

839
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:53,920
they're displays. When you sit in the car, each person has their own display

840
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:59,680
in the door where they can change like the heated seats and stuff. This thing is wild. It's crazy. But the cool part

841
00:58:57,839 --> 00:59:03,280
is, so this is the one with the fully done interior and exterior. Um, they

842
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:08,240
said it's basically what the production car is going to look like. And this is going to be shipping. I believe you can

843
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:11,119
actually purchase one uh already if you pre-order. Um, I don't know what the

844
00:59:09,839 --> 00:59:15,359
actual price is going to be, but I know you can drop $5,000 on a pre-order,

845
00:59:13,119 --> 00:59:18,079
which of course, you know, for a car. But what we actually got to do, what was

846
00:59:16,799 --> 00:59:23,440
cool, was we actually got to drive in it. So they had a couple of sort of beta

847
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:26,720
models of the car. So the first one was the autonomous driving. I think it was

848
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:30,160
the same one that they showed. So at their actual press conference, I think I

849
00:59:28,799 --> 00:59:35,680
was I didn't actually watch it, but I what I heard is that they did it twice and one of the times it failed. Yeah, I

850
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:38,960
heard that. Yeah, we actually got to do it. It was a fairly simple demo.

851
00:59:37,359 --> 00:59:41,760
Honestly, it was not anything crazy. We basically got in the car, it drove

852
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:46,240
around the parking lot, found a spot, pulled in. Okay, sure. Not crazy. Cool.

853
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:50,319
What was really cool is we actually got to drive in the performance test. So

854
00:59:47,839 --> 00:59:54,000
they had this enti giant like basically airline hanger looking thing, right? It

855
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:58,079
wasn't an actual airline hanger, but a huge inside space. It was all kind of

856
00:59:55,920 --> 01:00:01,359
roped off. So the main test driver who's like doing all like the shakedown, super

857
00:59:59,920 --> 01:00:05,440
passionate guy, right? And if you watch Marquez's video, you'll see he's the guy

858
01:00:03,119 --> 01:00:08,880
who's who's actually driving the car. So we did a little, you know, kind of like

859
01:00:07,119 --> 01:00:12,799
driving around. Mind you, this is an enormous vehicle, right? It's hard to

860
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:16,160
get an idea. Like for scale, maybe like a Chevy Suburban, it's like something

861
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:19,280
like that. It's much bigger than a Model X. Now, I don't know the exact It's

862
01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:24,960
huge. And you can kind of see in the pictures where it's like it's very long and stretched, right? Big big vehicle.

863
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:27,599
It's allseason tires. Like this is not like this should not be a crazy

864
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:34,319
performance vehicle. So, we started doing like some skid pad stuff, some slow stuff. Then we did a launch. This

865
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:35,760
thing is unbelievably fast. Huh. So,

866
01:00:34,319 --> 01:00:41,359
have you ever done like a launch like a Tesla? I have never been inside a Tesla.

867
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:44,079
Never really. We should do that. But, okay. So, Teslas are fast. And one of

868
01:00:43,119 --> 01:00:48,319
the things that make electric cars really quick is that the fact that they get that instant torque, right? You hit

869
01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:53,319
the motor, it's not like it's got to spin up and change gears. You get 100%

870
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:56,640
of power immediately. Yeah. So, this

871
01:00:53,319 --> 01:00:58,079
giant giant car, SUV, crossover,

872
01:00:56,640 --> 01:01:04,000
whatever you want to call it. Yeah. Will do 0 to 60 in 2.3 seconds. What? 2.3?

873
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:07,520
For comparison, that Lamborghini you did is probably somewhere in the 3se second

874
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:11,280
range. Yeah. No, no, it's much lower than that. Yeah. Yeah. So, hold on.

875
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:15,599
Well, let's let's look it up. cuz I'm pretty sure 2.39 is what they quoted

876
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:21,359
which seems kind of cheeky because the Tesla will do 2.4. So like 2.4 how slow?

877
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:26,079
We do 2.39 like it makes a difference but this thing launches unbelievably

878
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:31,200
fast. It is an enormous enormous vehicle on allseason tires. is unreal is like

879
01:01:29,359 --> 01:01:35,119
when they launched it like it really felt like have you ever been on like one of those roller coaster rides where it's

880
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:38,799
like you're at a stop and it'll like do like they like launch you like it's just

881
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:42,720
like that instant immediate like that first half second where you like go from

882
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:46,640
zero to like 30 it feels like it was crazy and I've been in Teslas and I mean

883
01:01:44,799 --> 01:01:49,280
it's not crazy different but the difference is this thing is enormous.

884
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:54,160
No, you're right. You're right. Yeah, it's probably somewhere in the sort of

885
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:58,720
the Aventador. I don't think I see the uh you had the uh Gallardo. Yeah, the

886
01:01:56,960 --> 01:02:04,160
Gallardo. It's going to be three, maybe low four, but this thing is 2.4 seconds,

887
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:08,079
2.39. Fairy Future is a company that has a lot of issues as far as like the whole

888
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:12,319
like they're trying to build like a factory in North Las Vegas, which apparently they've been having a lot of

889
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:15,760
issues with funding. There's like there's a lot of like behind the scenes

890
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:19,119
thing, but keep in mind this company is brand new, right? They've never created

891
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:23,040
anything. Uh, one of the guys said that they're 1500 employees already. Like

892
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:26,880
this is the first uh car, but obviously the idea is that they're going to be building more. Like they've got the

893
01:02:25,359 --> 01:02:32,880
chassis and the motors and stuff. This thing has like a 1000 horsepower, by the way. And it's supposed to have uh I

894
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:36,880
think 130 kilowatt hour battery, which is probably why it's so long, right?

895
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:39,839
It's a super interesting thing. I think a lot of people are afraid it's going to

896
01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:43,839
be vapor and that the company may not actually be able to pull through, but

897
01:02:41,599 --> 01:02:49,680
from what I saw, they've got something cool here. I think it's a little bit

898
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:53,119
polarizing on the looks front, but the interior that I saw was cool. But most

899
01:02:51,359 --> 01:02:58,319
importantly, the performance is real. Like it's an actual thing that they are.

900
01:02:55,599 --> 01:03:02,559
it might not be ready for prime time and next year it might not be ready to

901
01:02:59,839 --> 01:03:05,920
actually be on sale. But it was really surprising after hearing all like the

902
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:08,880
the negative stuff around because I mean they're a fairly private company right

903
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:13,760
now since they actually haven't like released a product. But I've got to say

904
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:16,799
for everything I've seen at CES so far besides one thing which is going to be

905
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:20,799
in a video soon I can't talk about. But besides that, this is one of the coolest

906
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:25,039
things I saw. Okay. So yeah, that's significantly faster than my motorcycle.

907
01:03:23,119 --> 01:03:29,200
What What do you have? Uh it's an SV 650S and I think that gets uh looking

908
01:03:27,359 --> 01:03:33,359
just looking it up online somewhere in the neighborhood of 3.3 seconds which is

909
01:03:31,039 --> 01:03:41,280
insanely fast. Yeah. But this is like a giant giant like SUV like a boat. Wow.

910
01:03:37,599 --> 01:03:43,839
It's crazy. 1 horsepower. 1 horsepower.

911
01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:47,839
So yeah fascinating. That is one of the coolest things I've seen in a while. I

912
01:03:45,599 --> 01:03:52,640
did not expect it to be as actually legit as it was. Here's a cool thing

913
01:03:49,839 --> 01:03:59,440
that I saw. Um, LG has abandoned the modular smartphone concept after one

914
01:03:54,559 --> 01:04:02,720
attempt. So, um, in response to all the

915
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:04,319
haters that I got on my G5 review, which

916
01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:07,520
was not a very positive review, I did get a couple things sort of wrong, which

917
01:04:06,079 --> 01:04:12,480
happens from time to time. Uh, you know how it is. Um, in response to all the

918
01:04:10,559 --> 01:04:16,520
haters, this is the best thing ever. My friends and I all own G5s. We think it's

919
01:04:14,319 --> 01:04:22,079
the best thing since sliced bread. Um, apparently more people agreed with me

920
01:04:19,039 --> 01:04:24,160
because it's dead. The thing was they

921
01:04:22,079 --> 01:04:28,000
didn't really do it right. No, they immediately got upstaged by the Moto Z,

922
01:04:26,079 --> 01:04:31,440
which you just snap it on. You've played with Moto Z, right? I have. It's a much

923
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:34,960
better way of doing it versus turning the phone off, taking it out, clipping

924
01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:38,400
on with the battery, which always felt to me like this is like you're going to

925
01:04:36,799 --> 01:04:41,440
break it. Yes. And then you have to put it back in and reboot it, and then it

926
01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:44,400
was always like everything had to be on the bottom, right? Whereas being able to

927
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:48,880
snap stuff on the back, I think, was a better solution. Very cool. And plus,

928
01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:52,799
not only that, but Project Ara died uh what, a couple months ago, right? So,

929
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:55,599
the modular smartphone thing. I don't know. So, it's try they're trying to go

930
01:04:54,160 --> 01:05:00,640
modular smartphone. And at the same time, Apple's getting even tighter

931
01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:05,680
integrated and now we're waterproof and we're this and we're that. And it's it's

932
01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:08,480
it's hard to compete with. Look, I feel

933
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:12,640
like purpose-built device for mainstream consumer stuff. the idea of being able

934
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:16,559
to open it up and to be modular and to be able to customize it. I feel like

935
01:05:14,319 --> 01:05:20,960
that battle was lost a while ago. For enthusiasts, sure, but for mainstream

936
01:05:18,559 --> 01:05:23,440
stuff, like you can't there's not a whole lot you can do. Like if what if

937
01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:27,920
you open that laptop, what can you do to it? I can change the SSD and the

938
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:31,359
wireless card. Perfect. Super awesomely upgradeable, right? And this is not even

939
01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:36,240
like a mainstream laptop, I would argue. Like this is very high-end. This is

940
01:05:32,799 --> 01:05:38,400
something that was Yeah. So, I feel like

941
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:42,079
with something like a smartphone, modularity is cool, but like something

942
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:46,880
like Project R kind of struck me as a thing where it's like this is a cool

943
01:05:43,839 --> 01:05:49,039
idea in theory, but like who is exactly

944
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:53,520
going to buy this phone? Yeah. So, I don't know. I The G5 was a cool phone. I

945
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:56,319
didn't really dislike it that much. I just thought that it was a little goofy

946
01:05:55,039 --> 01:06:02,319
and also I didn't like the sort of plastic metal finish on it. Right. But,

947
01:05:59,319 --> 01:06:04,400
I'm not surprised. Okay. Well, I think

948
01:06:02,319 --> 01:06:07,760
that's pretty much it for uh for my topics. I mean, there's a couple other

949
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:12,359
little things. There's a new HDMI spec uh 2.1. 2.1. So, that actually is 8K

950
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:19,200
ready, right? Yes, it is. So, dynamic HDR, 8K resolution, and more. And more.

951
01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:22,960
My favorite part. Um, also that shiny new wallpaper TV, blah blah blah. I've

952
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:28,400
got to go check that. Is that the LG booth? Uh, yeah. Yeah, dude. I've got to check that. Don't expect any updates and

953
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:32,319
it's out of date already. Basically, HMI 2.1. So, there you go. I I mean it

954
01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:36,559
doesn't matter because you don't need 8K support on a 4K TV, but um isn't that

955
01:06:35,119 --> 01:06:41,520
how that works? You know, more pixels are better, right? I'm frustrated at the

956
01:06:38,640 --> 01:06:46,720
way that the TV makers treat TVs like a one year and done. Oh, dude. Absolutely.

957
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:51,520
So, I I asked LG, I was like, "Hey, so the signature, is that getting support

958
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:56,799
for those two additional HDR um formats that the new TVs are the 2017

959
01:06:54,799 --> 01:07:01,359
models are getting?" Like, they're like, "No." And I'm like, you understand this

960
01:06:59,119 --> 01:07:06,079
is an $8,000 product, right? On some level. You know what surprises me? Same

961
01:07:03,839 --> 01:07:08,559
thing with cars, right? So, you can buy a car and it's like the next year

962
01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:12,880
there's like, oh, look, we're adding like Android Auto and CarPlay. Seems like it should be a software update.

963
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:18,079
Like, oh no, you have to buy a new car. Yeah. It's like, are you are you kidding

964
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:20,400
me? It's like it's like I feel like the

965
01:07:18,079 --> 01:07:26,400
reason aside from just being cheapcapes, like not investing the R&D, I feel like

966
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:29,520
the main reason is actually this

967
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:31,760
incredibly myopic attempt to not

968
01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:37,039
cannibalize sales of the new product. Yeah. And what it demonstrates to me is

969
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:42,880
a complete and utter lack of understanding of what the upgrade cycle

970
01:07:40,319 --> 01:07:49,520
for a major purchase like a high-end TV or a car would be. Right? That's not a

971
01:07:45,039 --> 01:07:52,640
yearly thing. No, a 20 basically all

972
01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:55,760
you've done, you haven't incentivized a

973
01:07:52,640 --> 01:07:59,440
2016 customer to get your new OLED. You

974
01:07:55,760 --> 01:08:03,039
have given them a gigantic like 3inch

975
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:05,039
girth dildo up the butt. It's pretty

976
01:08:03,039 --> 01:08:09,680
accurate for buying from you. That's what you've done.

977
01:08:07,039 --> 01:08:14,480
Yeah, I agree. You screwed them. You bent them over and screwed them. And

978
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:18,239
then what? You expect them to care that you added some stupid new feature that

979
01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:22,640
you're not giving to them because you're a jerk. I and when it's actually time

980
01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:26,080
for them to replace that TV in five years, right? You think they want to

981
01:08:24,480 --> 01:08:29,440
come to you? I mean, they don't really have a choice because nobody's doing

982
01:08:27,679 --> 01:08:33,920
this properly right now, right? But 5 years from now,

983
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:37,440
frustrating. I don't know, man. I don't know. So, that's my take on that. That's

984
01:08:35,440 --> 01:08:40,799
just a short rant. Yeah. So, I think that's pretty much it. Uh, thank you

985
01:08:39,279 --> 01:08:46,000
guys very much for watching the WAN Show. Huge shout out to Austin. You guys

986
01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:51,440
got to go check him out over at uh Austin, not Duncan 333303. You You tell

987
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:55,679
them where to find you. I don't know. Um Austin Evans on YouTube. That's right.

988
01:08:53,359 --> 01:09:01,440
That's all I really Hey guys. Hey guys. This is Austin and I have no voice. Hey

989
01:08:58,640 --> 01:09:06,000
guys, this is Austin and I'm I'm annoying. Yeah, it's completely accurate

990
01:09:04,159 --> 01:09:09,920
on all fronts. So you guys go check him out. He's going to have presumably at

991
01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:12,480
least one video from CES. We've been down here for like four years. I've

992
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:15,600
actually already shot three videos, but they're all being spaced out. Yeah, I'm

993
01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:19,920
just spacing them out. The content calendar, the schedule, you know,

994
01:09:17,480 --> 01:09:23,759
production words, you know, I got like a team. We got to have like a meeting and

995
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Well, to be fair, we are supposed to be editing a video right now and people are texting me that the video is due and I'm

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like here with you. So, so I'll let you go. All right. Thanks, guys, for tuning

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in to the WAN Show and we will see you again next week. Uh, not at the same

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time, but definitely on the same channel, probably with 100% more Luke, I

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hope. Yeah, I hope so. He's in uh he's in pretty rough shape. Poor guy. He's

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got to get up so early tomorrow, man.