Okay. And theoretically, we're live.
Live, I think. Not alive. Just live. I'm
definitely not alive right now. CES, man. It is CES. Uh Brandon, don't leave
yet. Uh because someone needs to check and see if the Twitch stream is actually
working. Or are we just talking to ourselves right now like we have been doing all day? Yeah. Uh no, I I talked
to um I had a meeting with Kingston. Okay. I talked to them. Okay. Were they
alive? They were not. Uh, they were alive but barely. That sounds about
right. Yeah. And they were more alive than my contact at Corsair. Got it. Who
is definitely not alive? Who made it through a presentation only to basically
I had a meeting with King. It does actually look like we are
indeed live. So, uh, people are saying it works, which is sort of amazing. And,
uh, there you go. So, here we go, guys. It's WAN Show time. I've got a special
guest, Austin, here. And uh we're going to be talking pretty much CES stuff.
Yeah. Um Luke is Oh yeah. Where is Luke?
Oh, hold on. Hold on. What? One person
says echo. So Oh, you know what? You
know what? I had the uh I had the Twitch stream playing for like for like a
second. I think that was it. So, um yeah. So, Luke isn't here because he has
to get up at uh 5 in the morning tomorrow. That sounds exciting.
Actually, probably around 4:45. I was up at 6:00 this morning. Does that count
for anything? Was that for um was that for like a special event? Okay, cool.
Are you able to talk about that at all? Like, was it pretty cool? Yes, we got to
do a test drive on a track with BMW with the i8. So, I got to do some hot laps
with an actual race car driver. It was I didn't completely embarrass myself. I
was really proud. Really? I almost spun the car once, but I I was able to save
it. Very nice. So, tell me something. Did you What was your best lap time? It
was So you guys went to Speed Vegas, right? Actually, I can I can pull it up.
I think it was like 76. Tie game. Tie game. But what did you
drive here? Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. I had a BMW i8. Okay. Uh let me let me
just pull up uh my picture that I took. Uh suspense is real. I know, right?
You're going to say like I got a 55. No big deal. Okay. Here we go. Here we go.
Hold on. So uh wait, where where am I? Uh Sebastian Linus. Okay. So, there's
me. I was in a Gallardo. Oh, 76. Yo, no.
78 right there. So, what were you? No, no, no, no. Your best dime is 76. Oh,
best. Oh, 76. Mine was 76. But like, dude, like your car had like twice as
much power as mine. Why don't you cry some more? We tied. We
tied. Wait, what was your top speed? What was your top speed? Mine was 134. I
don't know what my probably was way higher. Uh 138. Oh, wow. Okay. Yeah, the
Gallardo is not like the most amazing one they have there. I drove the Huracan
as well. And the 488, man, that 488 was mean. Did you hear that thing? Sound
like a proper race. It was like It was like straight piped, right? Like that. That's the one that was So when they
were doing the briefing, the safety briefing for us, that thing was ripping
past on that straight stretch. So it was so loud like inside the building, right?
We couldn't hear the guy giving the presentation. So we had a BMW i8, we had
two BMW i8s and they sound cool, right? But it's a partially electric car. You
could call it a hybrid even though it plugs in and everything, but the thing
it's like basically it's like a three-cylinder motor with an electric
and it sounded good. I'm like, "Oh, it sounds like race car and stuff." Then
that 488 went by. I'm
like, "No." Is uh Did you guys do a video with King uh with Corsair? No. Uh
so the Corsair event was bizarre. I can't talk about anything that happened
at it. Got it. Got it. Besides there was a 488 and a Gallardo. Besides the
besides the cars. Got it. Yeah. So, and the cars were fun, which was cool. Um,
so we've got people we've got people posting walls of text in the chat.
Lionus doesn't read the Twitch chat. I'm reading the Twitch chat. Uh, also,
you're you're uh you're going to take a little time out there, my friend. Yeah,
that's right. Oh, are you moderating the chat? Oh, I just I just moderated the
chat live. This is riveting content right now. That's right. Okay. No, let's
let's get into the real riveting content. Here is the intro.
I actually don't know if the music's working. I think it is, but I don't
know. I'm going to dance to it as if it is. Well, they can't see you. It's fine.
I'm going to dance to it for you. I mean, I can see you. I can watch you dance, which is great. Um,
no. I I'm I'm I'm banning I'm banning I'm banning I'm banning Han Solo Cody.
Yeah, that's right. It's banning time. That's right, dude. We've been here for like 3 minutes and you're banning
people. It's banning time. It's like it's like uh CES has been a long hard
track for Lionus. Yeah, this has been rough. It's it's actually been you know
what it's actually been our most organized year at year at I mean that
doesn't mean my brain is still working but I mean no one's is at this point but it's it's been pretty organized
actually. Nick did almost all of our scheduling and I just kind of go where
I'm supposed to be and take too long there. Dude, every time I've seen you
you guys seem to have everything together which is impressive. Seam. So,
we forgot the batteries for our FS5.
Like, straight up. No batteries whatsoever. One battery and no charger.
Can you get those locally? We're borrowing from Jay's two cents. By
the way, we actually have extra batteries if you need them. Massive shout out to Jay's two cents who came
through unlike Austin Evans in our time of need with an FS5 battery. Wait, what?
Massive shout out Jay's two cents. You know, the salad. If I could have Jay's
two cents here on the show instead of Austin. instead of Austin. I would have,
but the guy's too famous. So, uh, you're stuck with me, unfortunately. So, there
you go. Um, so let's talk show. Wait, do
we have to Have you seen anything? I've like Okay, so I've been here since
Tuesday night. Same time. No, I was here Monday night, I think. I've had almost
no time to look at anything. I've been like all over the place doing stuff that
has nothing to do with actual CES. We did a giant road trip around Nevada on
Wednesday. Um, actually with Jay. Okay.
We did the whole thing, but I am almost completely in the dark. I've been able
to walk around the show floor for like an hour. So, why don't we structure the
show like this, right? I'll explain CES to you. Okay. And you can be um you can
be like So, you're going to try to impress me right now with CES? Yeah. Okay, let's do it. I'm done. Okay. Okay.
So, AMD, so original article here is
from I am really hoping that what I'm about to do right now is going to work.
I think I just screen shared, but I'm not sure because we're just watching the
intro again cuz it's a hog. Yeah, it's like
and here we go. I think it's going to work. Okay, so the original article here
is from PC World cuz our video is not up yet. Um, but
apparently apparently AMD Ryzen not
apparently AMD Ryzen apparently is here. It's here. Is it really here? It is
here. Here. Wait, when you say it's here as in like can I go buy it yet? Well,
not that kind of thing. It's not here yet. It's not that kind of here. No, no, it's a different kind of here. Okay. So,
do you want to know the kind? Are you just gonna be a smartass or you gonna do you want to know what kind of here it
is? Yes, I am. You invited me here. You should know what you got yourself. Okay. So, I invited you here. Yes. Which means
physically in this location. So, when I say AMD, Ryzen is here.
All right. Continue. Okay. That's that's QED right there. I got you. I got you.
So basically they had the same demos that they did from their live stream
where they had the Ryzen processor and the $1,000 6t900 K from Intel and they
had them uh playing a game like playing a like a a playback of a game. So it's
running in the actual game engine, but no one has to sit there and actually play it. So So they're playing back the
game and they're streaming to Twitch on both of them at the same time. So
there's like you basically can tune into the Intel stream or was it like a split
screen deal? completely separate one B one tower one tower playback and stream.
Okay, so the idea is is that not only can you game you can also stream. So
it's kind of putting extra load on the processor and showing you that this can
actually stream. So not only that, but
what they're saying is that their I think they call it infinity fabric or
something. The way that the eight cores communicate with each other makes their
CPU able to multitask in that way better
than Intel. Interesting. And so the practical demo that they're doing here
is noticeably better. Okay. There's less delay on the Ryzen stream, right? And
there's less blocking and artifact. So what do you mean by there's less delay?
Because doesn't Twitch kind of introduce a delay built in? Theoretically, yes. I
didn't think that that delay had anything to do with processing. So I'm
not going to until I've set up my own test setup where I take like my gigabit
pipe and I set it up at home or not well
not I don't have a Gigabyte pipe at home, but I'm just going to have a moment of
sadness here. Okay. So, so I set it up
in the in the studio and I see it for
myself, right, that one of the streams is more or less delayed than the other,
but what was noticeable was the image quality. For some reason, the AMD stream
didn't have as much blocking. Now, with that said, what I don't know, so I I I
did open up all the boxes. Okay. I opened up the machines. It was legit, at
least hardware wise. Yes, the hardware was legit, but I don't know if there
could have been any variability in the internet. Did you see like bit rate or
anything like that? Like what their backend settings were? So, I need to
validate it for myself, but it's an interesting demo. But it's an
interesting demo. And the obvious question is, well, why not just use um
NVNC? Like, why not use your video card to encode? And the answer to that is CPU
encoding looks better, which is true. So, if you have a processor that can
game and CPU and code at the same time, then sure, great. Okay. So, then they
had another demo. They're running Battlefield 1 4K, right? With GTX Titan
XP, which is like, okay, that sounds
about right. I mean, given that NVIDIA didn't give the cards to them, I I guess
AMD actually ran out there and spent like, you know, over a G twice. I mean,
I feel like AMD might end up buying a couple NVIDIA cards and vice versa from
time to time. might happen from time to time that might they might make it into
the Labs, you know, it's uh
um but they so they had Ryzen and a 6900K playing Battlefield 1. And I'll
say this, um the the the frame rates
looked a little slower on Ryzen. Was there an FPS counter or was it just like
Okay. Okay. Yeah, FPS counter. They had it in the corner so it it was free to
touch, right? You could navigate the tank exactly in the same spot and you
could kind of move it around and see how the depths went. fire the gun, see how
it dips. Yeah. And Ryzen mostly held its
own. Okay. It's like 96 to 97% of the
way there. And close. They don't have their dynamic clock boosting on yet. Oh,
right. Cuz like wasn't the first demo they were showing something like it was like clocked at like 3 GHz, whatever,
compared to Broadwell. Right. So now they've got it clocked at 3.4. Okay. And
that's all eight cores. And that's all eight cores. But the rumor is that it's
going to boost maybe another 300 MHz higher than that. Okay.
So, that's interesting. Interesting. So, do we have uh an idea of what price is
going to be on this thing? No. Okay. So, this could be really impressive or just
kind of whatever. So, there's a couple different ways that AMD can attack this.
They can either go the route that we've seen cuz okay, how many years has it
been since we've had a graphics card that has come in and been like 60% as
fast of the as the flagship or or the like Okay. Okay. Let's say it's like 90%
as fast as like the next one from the team other team, right? Right. And it
comes in at like 70% of the price, right? It doesn't happen. Doesn't happen
anymore. Yeah. I mean, 480 was like pretty good, but then NVIDIA countered
with the 3 gig 1060 and and and it all kind of the stack made sense again. Your
laptop just turned off like almost immediately.
I thought the toll stream just crashed. Sorry. Go ahead. Go ahead. All good. Um
Jeez, man. Look, that screen just went like black a little too fast. Sorry.
Sorry. Yeah, I totally got you. Right. So, they they're pretty much going to
price this whatever they want to. And if they think they can come close to Intel
performance, they might as well come close to Intel price. But if they do
that, what do all the AMD fans who have
been waiting all this time for AMD to come up with something competitive, what
do they have to show for their for their patients? So AMD is in a position where
they have to be aggressive, right, to please their fans. I think I
feel if they go too aggressive, they
force Intel to react. So AMD needs to
kind of be like a little bit better. And
it's almost if like if they give it away, Yeah. they're actually going to
they're going to screw themselves. So what do you think? What? So say we're
getting 90% of the performance with Ryzen, right? Just throwing a number out there. So throw a random number. Sure.
So what if that's like 80% the price? I think that's I think close. Okay. I
think maybe even So I think it'll be like 80% of the price on the chip and I
think the board's going to be a little cheaper. Yeah, I agree with that because Intel charges a lot for a chipset. The
boards were also shown at CES, right? Yes. So, the platform very interesting.
I thought cuz AMD said, "Look, we're
we're making a high-end CPU, damn it. And so, we're going high-end." But the
reality of it is that there's a lot of stuff about HDT, high-end desktop,
Intel's 2011 3 platform. That makes no
sense even in an enthusiast computer. Sure. Do you need 40 PCI Express Lanes?
What What are you hooking up to your PCI Express Lanes? Uh, 18 graphics cards.
Right. Exactly. Okay. So, do you need all of these PCI Express lanes? Um,
probably for certain super high uh applications, but I feel like 98% of
people never actually utilize that. That's right. So, Intel's HDT
has server DNA. Right. Right. And
Exactly. That's where it actually makes sense. That's where that stuff makes sense. So, but then Intel's desktop
platform with its um 16 plus4 PCI
Express lanes, as soon as you put a graphics in there, it's like all you got
left is kind of four lanes for your Now we've got NV storage. Exactly. We've got
SATA drives. We've got like maybe you want to throw in some a couple more PCIe
cards. Um you know, motherboards are starting to ship with 10 GB networking
on them that uses a significant amount of bandwidth. Um, so I feel like Intel's
consumer is almost too consumer. Sure.
Sure. No, I can totally agree with that. Yeah. So AMD went right in the middle.
Okay. 24 PCIe lanes off the CPU. So
that's 16 dedicated for graphics. Yeah. Another four dedicated for NVMe storage.
Okay. And another four to the chipset to handle your LAN USB 3.1 Gen 2. So when
you say dedicated, it's not specifically dedicated, right? I believe it is
because Intel is set up somewhat similarly. That's what DMI 3.0 is. It's
basically PCIe that goes from the CPU to the chipset that acts as a
communications hub. So, so AMD has gone
and positioned Ryzen and their 370X, I think, is the
the highest end chipset. Yeah. Kind of like dead center.
Okay. Okay. So, that makes sense. I feel like I mean first of all they've got
eight cores and it seems like these eight cores are going to be a pretty
decent step up over what we've had in the past from AMD that's for sure. Yeah.
So it's like it makes sense that with more cores they're going to there's a
little bit more room kind of in the middle for them to kind of aim for the
other features like PCI. That's right. So I'm done with that. I think it makes
sense. Um and they're giving us a lot there five different chipsets which I
thought was a little over the top. Yeah. So there's a super low power one designed for very small form factor
stuff. Okay. There's two that would be considered high-end and enthusiast level
that will enable overclocking. Ah okay. So they're going a similar and then
there's two more like a like a mainstream and a business one or something like that. I I forget exactly
what they all are, but um they're going
a similar route to Intel on the whole like um you know, pick your page and
pick your decoder ring and like you get unlocking except that every Ryzen CPU is
unlocked. So, you don't have to pick a special
CPU. You just have to buy a special board. Okay, I'm done with that. I'm
done with that. Why? Like, why not, right? I agree with that move. Yeah,
absolutely. Because the reality of it is is even on the Intel side, if you're
going to overclock, you should be buying a decent board anyway. Of course.
Absolutely. Yeah. And any decent board is going to have a Z series chipset or X
as it were anyway. Yeah. So, don't lock
down the CPU. You buy whatever CPU you want and then you buy a decent board
which presumably will have a top tier chipset and you overclock it. Yeah.
Absolutely. So, there so far it looks
like the approach is pretty consumer friendly. Yeah. Yeah.
I mean, you know, I I'm not one to have
a ton of faith in any corporation. And I know a corporation is still made up of
people, but I'm not one to have much faith in a corporation. So, I'm saying
an entity with a board of directors because boards of directors are not and
shareholders. Those are not the real people that you interact with, right? Or
that I interact with. Those are the people who need to make sure that their next bonus is even bigger than the last
one. That's right. These are these are money people. These are not these are
not human interaction with customers and with influencers and with resellers
people. So I have very little faith generally in a corporation to act in a
consumerfriendly manner. Absolutely. Once they have a product that they can
sell for $722, I expect them to charge
$724 with a $2 mail and rebate. Okay,
that's my expectation. Sign me up for that. Sign me up for that. Yeah. So, it
is refreshing for me to see
that this thing is competitive. Yes. And that they're not necessarily going to
grab the opportunity. With that said, we know nothing about pricing, right? Do we
have a rough release date at all? Um, I think a rough release date is uh
sometime in Q1. Oh, okay. So, we're pretty close. Well, they had not only
like two demo systems. So, they had a lineup of 15 systems from like Origin PC
and like this weird like Chinese computer brand I'd never heard of. It
had like this crazy case. Like they had a bunch of partner systems, right? They
had Ryzen running in like the Vega demo.
Okay. Okay. There was a Vega demo. Um,
it is my it is my belief at this time
that I am the only one who has actually touched Vega. You actually touched it
here at the show. Not only did you drop it? No. Well, you know what? I did Whoa.
Whoa. What? I did drop this. I did drop the chip. You actually did. There's a
dead chip. I did. I did drop the chip. Was it dead before after you dropped it
before? It wasn't even attached to a GPU. Yeah. So So I was I was playing
with the chip. I was holding it. I was looking at it and um and I It like fell
out of my hands. No one was looking at it. Sure. Of course. Yeah. Camera wasn't
rolling. So it wasn't it wasn't I wasn't like staging it to be funny. It was just
I was like, "Oh, shoot. I dropped it. Crap. I've never done that before."
Ever. But no, real Vega. So, our video is coming on that probably tomorrow. And
okay, so what's the low end there? I feel like we we're like going hard on AMD right now. But other than that, is
there anything else? Every time we every time we talk about any AMD news, like
our viewers are just like, I mean, it's it gives us a reason to be excited. It
is actually an exciting time. I feel like the last couple years have been
rough. Like, haven't they? It's been it's been rough. It's about time for
some good news, for some positivity. 2017 like have you played around with
KBL Lake? No. 7700 K. Not even a little bit. Okay, don't bother. Okay, cool. I
will not do that. Now we're on the same page. Perfect. Don't bother. Don't save
your time. Unless Do you want to watch 4K Netflix? You know what? On your
computer? No, I don't. Okay. No. Then uh Never. Never have I ever. Dude, I don't
watch Netflix on my computer at all. I'm like I I like watch Netflix either on a
tablet or just on my TV. Okay. Yeah.
Yeah. I buy that. the built-in TV apps generally they get a lot of attention
and Mike uh the TV I use actually has 4K and HDR as well so it's like it's all
built in like I usually don't like to use like the built-in TV apps but like
it's all right there like same thing we've been watching like Grand Tour through Amazon 4K HDR touch nothing it's
actually it's beautiful beautiful show
uh yours is the um the Samsung one that you did the uh sponsored gaming setup
thing for right yes uh in that's the same one that I got for World's Most
Comfortable. Is it? I believe so. I think so. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. It's a
nice TV. It's a good TV. Now, of course.
Of course. This year, the TV game is changing. Is it really? Is it actually
changing? Just wait. Okay. Okay. Okay. I
I'll give you this. I'll give you this. Samsung is redefining the television
category. Redefining? Tell me more. With Q dot. Wait. QLED. QLED. Sorry. QLED.
QLED. There's actually some dot in here, too. I I screwed up and I called it Q
dot because it's quantum dot. Quantum dot. Wait, but wasn't quantum dot
already a thing? Yes, but now they're calling it QLED. QLED. So I think the
the QLED is thing. I think the intent is
to make it sound like O and look like OLED. Oh yes, sure. Now well speaking of
OLED, just jumping in. Did you see the Sony OLED? No. Sony now has three TVs. I
don't know there's a specific brand name for them, but Sony now has three OLED
TVs and if you like find a picture of them, it's cool because it's essentially
um it almost looks like an easel sort of thing where like it sits down. It's like
kind of tilted back. So from the front you just see a super thin bezel and
there's like nothing below it. So what they're doing is they're doing some interesting stuff with the actual
speakers where it's actually resonating through the glass. I've heard of stuff
like that before and it's got a sub in the back. Yeah, you can see right there.
Here. Um, I'm going to try and screen share with them. Hopefully. Oh. Oh, I
pressed a bad button. No. No. I think we're good. I think
we're good. Are we still alive? Yeah, we're we're live. We are live. So, this
is from the verge.com. Yeah. So, you can see it's there's basically like almost
no bezel, right? So, and there's nothing there's no bezel on the bottom. And you
can look at it from the side. So, basically, I don't know if you see any like rear pictures, but it's sort of
like got like a tilt in the back where there's a sub. But the idea is is that
not only is it thin, but there's some kind of speaker setup that's like
actually uses the glass. There you go. But it uses the glass to actually
resonate. So, I haven't actually heard it. They have the demos up, but
obviously it's the show floor. But the the Sony rep was talking about how it's
sort of an interesting experience to have the sound come not from like the bottom of the TV, but actually from like
around the TV. Yeah, exactly. Just jumping in. But OLED is the game is
definitely kind of heating up there. So, I feel like Samsung absolutely has to be
feeling the pressure. So, I did go to LG today. Yeah. And I saw the wallpaper TV.
I haven't seen that yet. Okay. It mount. Okay. So, all all you need to know to
know what's amazing. It mounts with magnets.
It mounts to the wall with magnets. Okay. I need to see this. I I just heard
about this like an hour ago. Okay. So, it's really cool. It's like So, it's
fully rollable. Like you can like completely No, no, no, no, no. But like
they have one in the booth where they have like like a robot ARM that's like
peeling it up a bit and then putting it back. So you can see how thin it is and
you can see how it's just like sticking, right? It's crazy thin. And what LG is
doing is uh you Okay. Do you know how I have my home computer set up with
Corning optical Thunderbolt? You have it all in the closet? In the Yeah. Going in
the closet. Okay. So you know Okay. So
your Samsung TV, you know how it has the one connect? Yeah. Absolutely. So, it
has a one. It has a single connector, assuming you don't need to plug in hardline networking,
right? You don't need networking. Yeah.
No, Wi-Fi is for chumps. Yo, I mean, I literally I have an onhub router like 6
inches away from my TV which has one Ethernet
out. I have a switch in the back of the TV, but it's fine. Okay, I'm good. I'm
fine. So, anyway, the one connect is a single cable that goes to the TV and
then the the wire the cord is not very long. I think it's only about 4 ft.
Sure. Yeah, something like that. Yeah. So, so the idea though is that that's
where all your HDMI inputs go and then the antennas, I think. So, it's like
clean wiring, right? Anyway, LG is
taking it one step further. So, they've got a short cable that runs to like a
speaker bar that sits under it. Um, that also acts as all the inputs and
everything. Kind of like on their signature last year where it had like that speaker bar base. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. With all the inputs. Okay. So this year they're using an optical cable that
is pretty short to start but comes with a 6ft extension. Okay. So you can
actually get like the input nonsense kind of like away from it if you're
using your own home theater speaker setup and you would basically just have
this wallpaper TV. How did the actual TV look? Really good. Okay. So it's like
even being as thin as it is like there was no like was it 1080 4K? Oh it's 4K.
4K. And what size was it? Um, it was So they're doing 65 and 77. All right.
Yeah. So about the like the right size. You get any bigger than that, it's like
the thing's not transportable. Sure. Right. Like how you going to get it home? Yeah.
This sounds cool. Okay. Interesting. So
is this still in the concept stage, I'm guessing? No. No. This is going to be a
real product like Q1. Yeah. It's like Q1. Oh, yeah. It's coming. Yeah. Like
there's like lots of them here. So there's a bit of a caveat, though. It's
OLED. it still doesn't achieve the 1000nit peak brightness that is
considered acceptable for mastering HDR content in the first place. So even
though LG is supporting all four I didn't even realize there were four all
four flavors of HDR. So there's HDR10,
there's Dolby, there's uh Technicolor.
Okay. And then there's um See, I actually might still have my notes open
from the LG booth today. Yeah, technic.
Yeah, cuz I know that there's main 10, which I feel like is probably becoming
the most popular right now, but I think most like the Xbox One actually Xbox One
is main 10, I think. Yeah, main 10. That's I think that's the last one.
Yeah. So, so it supports all four. Although, one thing I do have, but so it
doesn't achieve that peak brightness that people are looking for. And then they also have a quantum dot competitor.
And it took me It was so funny. So, I'm
like, "What is this?" The guy's like, "Nanod." And I'm like, "So, what is it?"
He's like, "It's a it's it's it's nano particles that are made to optimally
filter and enhance red and green." And I'm like, "Okay." Or red and blue,
whatever it is that I think it's red and green. Anyway, whatever. So, I'm like,
"Okay, so it's quantum dot." And he's like, "No, it's they're 1 nanometer
instead of like 2 to 12 nmters of our competitors. It's like putting the
filter closer to your eyes." And I'm like, "Okay, so like how how does it go
in there?" And he's like, "It's on a film." And I'm like, "Okay, so it's quantum dot." And he's like, "Look,
we're not supposed to say that." And I'm like, "Dude, what? I have like 18
minutes in your booth. Is it quantum dot?" And he's like, "Yeah, it's quantum
dot." But it's like really good quantum dot.
I'm like, "Okay, like that's fine. I respect that. There's nothing wrong with that. But don't confuse me
intentionally. Just tell me what it is because it's my job to debsify this
stuff. Don't BS me. Go go go put that on your flyer at Future Shop or Best Buy.
Oh, Future Shop doesn't exist anymore or whatever. Canadian. We don't Circus
City. Yeah, the source. Um, so, so go
put that on your flyer. I don't care. My audience is too smart for that. They're
going to kill me and that's going to make me mad at you for you telling me
the wrong thing to tell them. Don't do that to me. So anyway, so yeah, it's
quantum dot. So quantum dot. So basically the biggest really real downside there is just the brightness.
But like on a panel so thin, I feel like I would be willing to kind of give that
up a little bit. And you know what? Quite frankly, um there's only one piece
of HDR content that isn't a tech demo that I've that I've seen like Okay, I'll
say movie actually cuz some of the stuff on Amazon Prime like an ultra HD
Blu-ray. Um yeah, Life of Pi looks Oh,
yeah. Unreal. Yeah. In HDR. Yeah. Absolutely unreal. And with the
signature, which was I think 600 nits peak brightness, I want to say it
really. Yeah, it wasn't that high. But because the blacks are so deep and I'm
usually watching in a fairly dim room, I didn't feel like it took away from the
experience at all. Right. I didn't feel like the whites were not quite dazzling
enough. Um yeah, I mean that that's a that feels like a really bright TV. I
didn't realize. So is a 1000 nits for all of the HDR standards or is it
different depending on the standard? Okay, so it's complicated because this
whole thing is complicated. OLED gets so there's two different standards there.
So OLED kind of gets one standard. I see what you mean because the blacks are
deeper. Right. Because it's not necessarily about the peak brightness as
much as it is about the contrast. Right. Range. Right. Right. Right. So it's
different rules for LCDs that can't achieve pure black. Right. So they have
to go crazy crazy white to burn your retinas. That's right. So So LG's are
hitting like500 nits peak brightness on the uh
uh uh uh nano nano dot or whatever they're calling it. Wow. That's a lot. I
think Samsung's QLED is up near 2,000 or
something like that. What's the point? Like at that point, like the TV that's
like got to be insanely bright. So, so the point is not that you would ever
have the whole TV that bright. In fact, one of the most annoying things about my
OLED at home because I use it I have a computer hooked up to it. If I open up
file explorer full screen, whole thing goes down because between oh, we can't
handle between power like power efficiency like like regulations, right?
They can't actually draw that much power to have every pixel 100% white. You know
what this feels like? This feels like car manufacturers getting into like a horsepower war. It's like, well, our car
can do 200 mph. Wars can do 205. It's like the speed li 65 mph. I don't know
what you guys are talking about. This feels exactly like that. And to actually punch through the nonsense and test it,
right, requires actually quite complex
test patterns because you have to have enough enough dark in the scene to kind
of trigger the algorithm to go, "Hey, look, I can actually crank the brightness, right, man? Dude, this HDR
stuff is goofy, right? Like HDR content looks nice, don't get me wrong, but like
the standards, all the different styles, like it's such a a nightmare. It is a
total nightmare. Like why do we need four? Like I didn't even realize there were four. I knew of three. It's a
cluster, man. It's a total cluster. And then on the content creation side of
things, it gets more complicated. So, this actually had nothing to do with the
show this year, but I had a great meeting with a guy from Portrait, which
um formerly Spectracal. Do you know Spectal? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So, they got
acquired by Portrait. So, now his email is him at Portrait. So, I'm like, "Okay,
hi. You're you're still you, but now you're you still exist. Good job.
Different you. Acquired you." So, I had a meeting with him and he goes, "Yeah,
mastering HDR content is a total disaster. There's one display. It's like
a 30 something inch display that everyone is using. I forget what the
number was cuz it at that point it doesn't even really matter. It was like 30,000 or $50,000 or something like
there's one display and there is the support is like kind of
iffy. Um, Da Vinci Resolve apparently is like kind of the go-to. I hear a lot
about that with HDR. Yeah. Um, and he goes, "But there's there's
like there's like a so so that's why only like huge budget guys, right, are
able to master an HDR coloring on a $50,000 display, you probably have some
resources behind you. You can use scopes, right? And you can kind of get
there, right? But that's not the right way to do it. And if you want if you're
if you want to grade for an aesthetic, you have to be able to look at it. And
the thing is, so when you master an HDR,
and we've I like I've looked into it a little bit, but like I kind of get daunted by just like how much there is.
Yeah. So HDR is all 10 bit, right? That's my understanding. But like 10 bit
is not HDR, but HDR is always 10 bit. Or can it be more? Yes. Okay. So at least
10 bit, right? Which is pretty much all web content like this, for example, is 8
bit. Like basically everything you watch right now is 8 bit. Yes, YouTube does
support. It does now. It does now, but it doesn't support 10. It's HDR, which
is all underneath it. But then there's also the color space is wider. Isn't it
like 2020? That's right. which is like 30%. I don't know. It's it's it's a
wider color gamut. Much wider. Yeah. And there's no display on Earth that can get
anywhere near everything in Rec 2020, which is fine because there's a lot of
room to grow in it. Um and then and then
making matters even more complicated is
that um if you're working with a monitor, so
let's say so so for example LG is launching some HDR monitors. So, the
first thing I did, I was like, "Blah, blah blah. Are these suitable for content creation?" And they kind of go,
"No, we'll get back to you in that." Oh, okay. Okay. That's like a maybe. That's
a strong maybe. No, that's I don't think it's strong. I think it's I think it's a
weak sauce. Maybe. Um, and so I so I
went I went straight to my portrait guy and I'm like, "Hey, do you think we can
create HDR on this?" He kind of goes, "Yeah, it depends. Can it do a 1000 nits peak brightness? He really wants that."
Okay. And it depends on what kind of HDR
it supports. Then then it's dependent on the video card. So it was only this
generation of Pascal video cards from NVIDIA where they finally allowed 10-
bit output on the non-quadros. Is that what it was? That's something
that they've been holding back on quadro for since well for forever pretty much.
Right. Right. Cuz 10 bit has preceded HDR. 10 bit has been around forever. In
fact 12 bit video has been around for That's right. Yeah.
Okay. So basically come on. Basically, this is like Blu-ray versus HD DVD
except lame and times a thousand. Yes.
And yeah, pretty much. So, anyway, there's a solution. So there was there's
a Sony TV that's around 56 grand that's like a 65 in that has a mode
specifically designed not for mastering HDR but it's designed to behave like an
HDR mastering display so that the client can sit and look at the TV while the
colorist is working on the 30,000 40 whatever however many thousands of
dollars. But what people have discovered is that it's actually very suitable. Oh
really? So you can use it for everything. So, we're thinking about, hey, maybe we should make a color
station. Have you guys looked into actually, and we're probably get way in
the weeds here for a second, but like what the actual workflow is to get HDR
content onto YouTube. Is it just a simple Okay, I haven't. I think you
export in Premiere, right? Then you plunk it into Da Vinci Resolve. Oh, this
is selling. Hold on. Hold on. And then it adds a bunch of metadata, right? And
then exports. And then you upload with the metadata. That's I've never tried
it. To be fair, I do know the new version of Final Cut does support Rev
2020 straight out. So So you can take
Final Cut. Yeah. And you can put it up your butt. I could do that or I can
render my beautiful HDR video available now at youtube.com/lines techtips. Yeah.
As if I would upload your videos. They're far too crispy for my channel,
my friend. So assuming that you get the
file out somehow and even if it's a giant pain, you have to like run it through multiple things. Can you just
upload it to YouTube? Because I know we were looking through there are HDR
videos that you can watch on YouTube now, right? But there's no clear way of
knowing that you're watching HDR content unless you pull up like the stats for nerds. It's not there's a little like
HDR badge like 4K, which is like right, is this even working? And not only that,
to make things even more complicated, say I get an HDR video to YouTube,
YouTube compresses it and all that kind of stuff. It sends it out. How do you
watch HDR YouTube unless you have maybe like a chcast Ultra? That's the only
device I know that does HDR right now, right? Cuz like there are no computer
monitors that you could watch it on. Not yet, but soon. There are no phones that
are HDR compatible maybe. Oh, that's I I Oh, I
thought Isn't the iPhone 7? It's It's wide gamut. It's wide gamut HDR, not
HDR. Cuz I I know that uh the iPhone and the iMac, they they both have the same
It's not uh it has a specific color space that's not the same, but it's it's
wider. I don't know if it's HDR, though. So, it gets even more complicated there
because uh I talked to Dell and uh they
were saying that one of the issues in the industry is that there's lots of
monitors out there that are going to do better than SDR but not are not up to
the like the the cinema industry HDR spec and I think
the industry has basically decided to just call them HDR with like HDR
certified or some other moniker to come after that. Man, come on. Okay, this is
actually gross. Let's give up on HDR. Have you seen the 8K display? No, I have
not seen it, but it sounds crispy, as they might say. Oh, kill me. Um, okay.
Yo, so did you actually see it yet? I touched it today. You touched it? Okay.
I touched it. Was it actually? I touched it with my eyeball because that is how
close I had to get to see a pixel. There's no way you can
see pixels. There's no way on AK. What? How big is the display? Okay, it's uh
it's 32 in I believe from Dell. Okay, it's unreal. So, the thing had about 15
imagine this. Okay, 1,500 clock faces.
Okay, on a 32-in display. Okay, so it's like like 60 by like 40 or something. I
I forget I forget what it was, but I like did math in my head and it was
probably wrong. So, you've got like over well over a thousand clock faces, right?
I could get right in on them. Okay. And there's like spacing around the clock
faces. Like there's like a square and then there's like a circle inside and then there's like lines. And then I
could see I could see the minute lines
on the clock faces. Okay. Okay. Okay. Can you just calm down
for a second because I don't think I can handle the stress right now.
Okay. So I'll just calm down. 8K monitor. So let's come down to Earth for
a second. Yeah. Can I actually No. Okay.
Thanks. Go ahead. But whatever you're going to say, no. To connect it to anything, you
need dual DisplayPort. No. No. No. No. Worse than that. Is it really? Okay,
here we go. So, step number one. Step number one. It is 10 bit, which is cool.
Great. Um, it is it has great viewing angles, which is cool. I expect for like
a million dollar monitor. It has a programmable L which basically means
that you can calibrate the monitor
directly. Okay. And then plug it into anything and it will retain the the
color properties of the printer that you want it to to look like. Right. Okay.
Okay. Got it. Programmable like if you plug in through the hub, right, the USB
hub on the monitor and and there's a supported um it's the i1 it's the i1
display pro. It's like that the standard one that everybody uses. And if you use
that, it even like fills in all the metadata and crap in the calibration
program that Delco created with XR. It's like this is over the top. I love it. Go
ahead. Okay. So, so very cool. Very cool. Um,
but how do I actually I want to watch some AK video? Not HDR. That's fine. No
HDR. Okay. I just want pixels that you just want pixels. We just discovered
that HDR is terrible. And I didn't say
terrible. Well, okay. It's a disaster. It's a mess. Okay. Okay. Okay. So now it
is a tiled display. So you remember the early 4K displays guys where I still
have one of those in my uh in my apartment. Yeah. Right. Okay. So where we were doing two DisplayPort 1.1s in
Yeah. Okay. So here's the problem.
DisplayPort 1.2. How high does it go? You remember
1.2? That was 4K, right? 4K. How many hertz? 60. That's right. Okay. So here's
I have a comment. Here's a small problem. Yeah. What can I do for you?
They're working on getting it to work with just one cable, not two. Yeah, of
course they are. Oh, well, they said you'd be like all thrilled. One cable?
Are you trying to say that? DisplayPort 1.4, I think. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. We'll talk about that later. Okay. Sorry. Okay. Thank you, Taran. Um, I got
to get like do a whole Mission Impossible creep over here. All right.
Um, okay. So, so, right. Okay. So, the
math is pretty simple then, right? We're two DisplayPort 1.2 4K 60 Hz, right?
So, a a quarter of the way there. 8K is
quad that four times that, right? So, but we're not plugging in four display
ports. Of course not. That would be crazy. Nothing Nothing like that is going to be happening. So, you need
DisplayPort 1.3, right? Which is not super common. Two of them. 1. What does
1.3 do? 1.3 I I don't remember. Yeah,
1.3 does do 5K 60 Hz. So, that's enough
to drive the 33 million pixels. 33
million. That's a 33 megapixel. That's right. Wow. Um, so the only cards on the
market are the latest generation Pascal
based Quadros, the P3000, the P4000, and
the P6000. So, you know what? Why don't we just for fun? You know what? Because
this is the kind of thing that I do for fun. I go on neweag.com, okay? And I get
really really mad about whatever is taking over my screen right now and I go
P3000 Quadro. Got it. Let's do it. And
then I hate my life. Prime time because I can't even buy one. So there's that.
Uh are they they're on sale though, right? I thought so. I actually I mean
they they had a demo unit that Okay. No, I mean clearly the computer that they
had in the booth was running off of some Yeah, it was running off a Quadro,
right? Okay. Hold, hold on. Why is my Why is my computer Why is my computer
being a buttthead? Now's not the time. Buttthead. Okay. Quadro
P6000. Can I buy one? The Quadro stuff. Like I I'm
You're killing the stream right now, man. I'm probably I'm probably killing the stream. You used all the internet. There's no internet left. Okay. Quadro
P3000 price. Let's just try good old Google. And I spelled it wrong, but
Google will fix that for me. Thank you, Google. Google Overlords. So, no one's
even talking about it. Where Where do I get one? Okay. Wait, are they on sale
yet, though? I I don't even see anything. No, go. Yeah, I I got nothing.
Quietly announces. Yeah, announces in July, but like I don't see them. I mean,
I'm guessing these things are not flying off the shelves right now, but Yeah. So,
okay. So, there you go. Two DisplayPort 1.3s. So, give up and go home. Oh, and
did I mention that the monitor costs five grand,
which actually unreasonable? Yeah, that's not totally insane. That's not that far out
there compared to like Yeah. I don't know if you guys remember like the old Apple 30-in from like Oh, man. Dude,
that was like that was that was like 12 years ago. 13 years ago. Yeah. Back when
the 30-inch monitors first 1440p, right? No, that was Well, uh that was the
predecessor to 1440p. 2560 x600 back
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with it where he had six computers lined up and just like we moved the mouse
across them all. Wait, sorry. So, as if like they were all like one computer and
like a bunch of displays side by side. That's right. How does that work? The
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get that link going on over there. Yeah, that's right. That's right. That's impressive right there. All right, let's
go ahead uh go right there. Okay, so
let's uh let's talk about um do you want do you want me to come up with a topic?
Cuz I got a pretty good one. I have absolutely no planning whatsoever. I
just showed up. So, which was nice of you. Okay. Uh have you seen Razer's
concept triple display notebook? I saw
everyone talking about it. I actually haven't seen it in person. I haven't seen anything cool at CES yet. Actually,
I have, but I'll save that for later. me. Is this hug time? You go on camera
right now. Okay, it's good. Okay, I feel
better now. Thank you. Okay, this is getting a little close. It's not weird
enough yet. Okay, sorry. Go ahead. They're very strong.
All right. Sorry. Words technology. So, you did a video on the
the triple screen. The It's project what? Um Project Valerie. Valerie.
Valerie. I love Yo, can we give a shout out to Razer and their amazing project
names? I feel like every CES they come. Yeah, Christine, dude. Okay, so it's
essentially Is it similar to like a Blade just with like the screen or like
is it a fully custom like laptop? It is similar to a Blade Pro. Okay, so the
17in Blade with the terrible keyboard.
Is it that bad? It's awful. It's the mechanical one, right? Yeah. I feel like
I tried it. It wasn't that bad, but I didn't actually like properly use. I just like typed for like 5 seconds.
Yeah. Not long enough. Okay. I tried to write my review of the Blade Pro on the
Blade Pro and you couldn't and I switched back to my Blade. I was done.
Okay, that's that's a resounding recommendation from Mr. Lionus
Sebastian. I was entirely done, my friend. Um,
so basically the con so instead of you
know how any modern notebook these days has like a pretty thin screen like
display stack, right? They've got like a nice aluminum or like carbon fiber, some
kind of cool material. They've got like a really thin thing. And then they've got like a really slick display stack. I
saw Dell's XPS 132 in one. Super thin.
Beautiful. Super thin. Um, so anyway, the Blade Pro, not a Blade Pro, cuz it's
just it's about the concept. It's not about the machine it's attached to that
was just a convenient reason that they didn't have to create something custom
to show their concept, right? But instead of having a thin display, it had
like like a display like this, like an old school laptop. Yeah. And then the
laptop is like this thick. Okay. I mean, that's not crazy. It's 17 in and it's
like this thick. All right. But I mean, okay, for real though, like, so is this
your your daily? Yeah, this is my daily. So, it's a 14, right? Yeah. So, if
you're carrying around a 17-inch laptop, portability is probably not your biggest
concern. Okay, that's fair. I mean, for
me, like, if I'm carrying around a laptop that's that big, being a little bit thicker is not going to break it.
Okay, let me hit you with this then. If portability is not your biggest concern,
why don't you just carry around a monitor? I mean, I don't carry around a
17 or a monitor, but in theory, if I was
a person who was interested in a 17-inch laptop, it's going to be big. So, being
a little bit bigger and having two extra monitors, that that's kind of
compelling. I don't know how useful that's going to be, but that's a cool
idea cuz I feel like, wasn't there another
uh some dual screen laptop that was like this a few years ago where you would
open it up and it wasn't three screens, but it was two screens that would like pop out. I don't remember the name of
it, but do you know what I'm talking about? I don't remember that. Um, like
Google like dual screen laptop or something, but I'm gonna make a separate argument anyway. So my what I think is
that you're better off creating an attachment that runs off like
Thunderbolt 3 and you like how like a clip on that folds up or something
because that way I don't have to carry it all the time
or by the time displays get thin enough for that notebook to make any sense. I
think we're going to have lighter much higher resolution HMDs. Absolutely. And
I'm gonna sit and look at if I if I need a workspace this big, I'm gonna sit and
look at it in my HMV. This is what I'm talking about right here. Oh, what is that? The co co This is two 10 in. Yeah.
Uh co-enisha DZ the DZ. Yeah. So
basically it's like two 10-in displays. I don't know what the mechanism is. I
think it was a thing where it kind of like pops out. But I've seen this kind
of thing before. I've never seen three displays. And everything that I have
seen was kind of basic. like it was kind it was obviously super thick. This seems
to be actually even though it's obviously thicker than a traditional screen. It seems like it's like a
properly designed thing that's actually kind of cool. Yeah, there you go. That's okay. So, here let me just um let me
just get that on the stream for you guys. So, this is the one that um that
Austin was talking about. So, it's obviously really clunky and this is a
little bit of an older design, too. I don't know when it's from, but it's like it's definitely a few years old. Okay,
so here's project Valerie. Have you at least seen it? I've seen like pictures
on Twitter. I haven't watched any videos at all since I've been here. Okay. So,
here, let's uh let's Oh, so wait. So, do the screens actually kind of tilt out
towards you or are they all flat? So, that depends on which one you're using.
They actually had two week. Okay. Okay.
So, uh here we go. So, here's the here's
the one that really Okay, whatever. Good enough. I mean, Twitch compression is
going to look like balls anyway. So, this is the one that had like fo Let me
just make sure I'm actually showing people showing this to people. Yeah, I am. Oh, what did I just do? You actually
zoomed in. Oh, you opened the the actual image. Okay. Okay. So, this is the one
that had like fakeo hinges that are like
the concept for how it would kind of
like straighten out and then like fold in and slide in with this is the one
that actually gives you a little bit of surround where there's like it's not just a fully flat setup. Okay. So then
they also had another one in the suite that had the two outside displays in
front of the back one and you just kind of slid them out and they were all kind
of in a straight line. Okay. So that's
what's working now. No, no, they're both equally thick. That one's working now.
And the other one just had like concept hinges done up. They were like, "Don't
pick it up. Don't pick it up. Don't touch it. The hinges will fall off." Have you dropped anything at CES besides
Ryzen? Uh oh, sorry, PE. I've dropped a few things, but I haven't broken
anything yet. Oh wow. Good job. I'm actually doing Dude, we're like halfway
through CES right now, and you haven't broken anything. I'm doing really well this year. Good job, man. So, I'm You're
pulling your life together. I'm feeling good about that. I wouldn't say I'm pulling my life together, but I'm
definitely pulling my not dropping things proper together. Yeah, Reddit's
going to be unhappy, but whatever. Okay. Predator 21X. Yo, dude, I haven't seen
it yet. It looks so great. It looks like the coolest thing ever. Well, not
really, but it's so ridiculous. I love it. It's 18 lb.
I mean, it's got dual 1080s, right? Dual
1080s. Totally unfettered dual 1080s. No TDP
restrictions. None of that BS. Does this thing actually have a battery? Yeah.
It's not very big. Can you like run this thing for like 15 minutes on the
battery? I didn't even ask. If you It's
like It's like asking about the fuel economy of a Lamborghini. Yeah. It's
like So, this thing gets a good highway fuel. Like when I go on a road trip to
Castlegar, British Columbia, how many times will I have to fill my tank with
super super premium? No. Okay. Okay. So,
we've got a 21 in curved display. 21in
curved display. So, wait, how is the curved display? Cuz I don't think I've
ever seen a laptop with a curved display. Nobody's ever seen a laptop with a curved display because it's
bananas. cuz it's completely I mean the clamshell
like is it like kind of like the surface uh the surface bulk but kind of like in
reverse where it's like on the front but it's like it's a big it's a big you know
you flip it upside down you got a big smiley face like it's it like it doesn't
or a banana shape let's say yeah and we should have put a banana next to it for
scale which would have been the optimal way to you see the picture of someone
put a 12-in MacBook on top of it was the most hilarious thing ever oh man no I
didn't it was it was like yeah I mean you can imagine what that would look Like it was like uh I don't know.
Terrible. Yeah. Terrible. So, okay. So,
this thing is custom order though, right? Like this is not like a thing I'm just going to walk into. No. No. I
talked to them about that. Okay. That was the plan, right? But they've
actually since reversed that decision. Really? Yes. There was that much
excitement, that much hype about it. It is not. Okay. So, um, I had a contact of
mine who you also know, but I'm not going to name this person, reach out to
me and tell me that if I could steal it from Acer, this contact of mine would
pay double the sticker price to have it today. Wow. I believe, and apparently
Acer also believes that there is a market out there. I don't know what
retailer is going to carry this thing. I mean, can you imagine accepting a return
$9,000 on a $9,000 laptop? That's That's
There goes all your profit in the entire laptop category for the day for the
store. I'm assuming Acer is selling it directly. I would have assumed that too,
but I I don't think so. Wow. I think they're trying to go because they're a
channel company, right? Right. I don't think they've ever sold anything directly. I mean, they have an online
Oh, actually, does Acer even have an online store? I think I think they have
to figure that out. I think they have to go direct.
So, what I heard was because they had pre-announced this a while back, right?
But the CS was the actual proper like this this is an actual thing. It's on
sale. They've shown it in person before, but this was my first hands-on and they
had like two of them there. Like it's it's a more real piece of hardware now. I knew it was real when John did a video
on it, right? So the idea here is that
for $9,000 you're getting $9,000. It's
too bad it's not over $9,000, but whatever. Um so 21in display. Yeah.
You've got dual 1080s curved display. I mean of course naturally. Um it's got a
mechanical keyboard. Yeah. Is it not terrible or no? Yeah, it's fine. Okay,
it's fine. I should Yeah, I was about to say you can fit like fulls size keys.
Yeah, it doesn't have like three or four
drive like isn't there like multiple PCI
dual NVMe and then I think it also has a 2 and 1/2 in and then I'm not sure about
anything else. Okay. Yeah. So, this thing is ridiculous and I love it
because of that. Yeah. Like this feels like what when I first started going to
see Yes. way back in 1973. The thing was things were exciting
and part of it was because I was like minus 14 years old. But like the exciting part was look at all this crazy
wild stuff that's coming out and I feel like CES is so safe now. It's like oh
look this laptop is marginally thinner or this phone is slightly faster. This
is crazy. This is cool. I love that. Pushing the limits. Absolutely. And
that's what tech should be about. That's what CES should be about. This is I
absolutely love everything about this. It's a great CES actually. It's not bad,
man. It's not bad. I mean, my voice has been completely dead all day, but
besides that, it's not bad. But no, this thing is awesome. I'm totally sad that I
haven't seen it yet. Is it uh is it Acer? They're suite. Uh it's sad. They
they So, I had never actually visited them at CES before. Yeah. They rent out
like the entire floor of like I I forget exactly where we were, but it was like
it's like a proper space. Huge. Okay. I might have to go try to swing by and see
that tomorrow cuz that sounds awesome. Uh if you need a contact there, I will
I'll let you know after the uh after the show. So can I chime in with something
that I saw at CES? Yes. Have you checked out Faraday Future? No. Okay. Do you
know anything about Faraday Future? No. Okay. So hit me. Basically Faraday
Future is a new company that is it has a
lot of former Tesla employees and essentially what they are doing is they're building I would say a
competitor to the Tesla Model X. Right. So it's a it's got some goofy. It's like
FF91 or something. I probably butchered that, but um basically what they're
doing is they're launching it's a luxury SUV, fully electric, right? So, they're
definitely taking notes out of Tesla's playbook, right? I mean, it's a fully
electric vehicle. It's very expensive. It's got screens and stuff, but these
guys have kind of taken it to the next level. So, you've never seen this at all? No. Look up a picture of it and I
want your initial reaction if you can like screen cuz it's a polarizing design
for sure. What they've done is Okay, I'm screen sharing. Okay, let's do it. Let's
do it. Do it live. What am I looking for? Fair day future. Um I believe it's
the FF90. Uh, does anyone know Fair Day Future? Was it FF91? No. FF91. Yeah. Oh,
wow. It's not even It's I mean, they only announced it the other day. They
actually had like a disastrous press launch where it was supposed to like park itself and it didn't. But it looks
like a Batmobile. There you go. There you go. No, it
doesn't. It looks like like something out of Tron maybe. It's or something
out. Yeah, it's super unique looking.
Honestly, I will say this. I saw the pictures. I'm like that is hilariously
ugly. Saw in person it's not that bad. I mean it's still a enormous so it's super
long right. So they have models with like two and three rows of seats but
like if you get the two row you're basically seeing like a first class like
airline seat like it is massive back there. So we got to check it out.
Marquez and I had actually Marquez did a full video if you guys want to go check
that out. He went really in depth on it and the whole thing. But essentially
there are a couple of the cars around. There's one actually at the show floor where you can take a look and that's the
one I think that you're looking at right there where it's like the full exterior
like so this is all LED here. Hold on. Let me uh let me go back to uh share
with them again. Yeah. Yeah. So basically the whole grill right here is
all LED. Um there also there's like a lighter that pops out of the hood. Um
there are like lights below for like the inductive charging. On the side they're
LEDs. I believe they said that there are 13 different displays. Like on the doors
they're displays. When you sit in the car, each person has their own display
in the door where they can change like the heated seats and stuff. This thing is wild. It's crazy. But the cool part
is, so this is the one with the fully done interior and exterior. Um, they
said it's basically what the production car is going to look like. And this is going to be shipping. I believe you can
actually purchase one uh already if you pre-order. Um, I don't know what the
actual price is going to be, but I know you can drop $5,000 on a pre-order,
which of course, you know, for a car. But what we actually got to do, what was
cool, was we actually got to drive in it. So they had a couple of sort of beta
models of the car. So the first one was the autonomous driving. I think it was
the same one that they showed. So at their actual press conference, I think I
was I didn't actually watch it, but I what I heard is that they did it twice and one of the times it failed. Yeah, I
heard that. Yeah, we actually got to do it. It was a fairly simple demo.
Honestly, it was not anything crazy. We basically got in the car, it drove
around the parking lot, found a spot, pulled in. Okay, sure. Not crazy. Cool.
What was really cool is we actually got to drive in the performance test. So
they had this enti giant like basically airline hanger looking thing, right? It
wasn't an actual airline hanger, but a huge inside space. It was all kind of
roped off. So the main test driver who's like doing all like the shakedown, super
passionate guy, right? And if you watch Marquez's video, you'll see he's the guy
who's who's actually driving the car. So we did a little, you know, kind of like
driving around. Mind you, this is an enormous vehicle, right? It's hard to
get an idea. Like for scale, maybe like a Chevy Suburban, it's like something
like that. It's much bigger than a Model X. Now, I don't know the exact It's
huge. And you can kind of see in the pictures where it's like it's very long and stretched, right? Big big vehicle.
It's allseason tires. Like this is not like this should not be a crazy
performance vehicle. So, we started doing like some skid pad stuff, some slow stuff. Then we did a launch. This
thing is unbelievably fast. Huh. So,
have you ever done like a launch like a Tesla? I have never been inside a Tesla.
Never really. We should do that. But, okay. So, Teslas are fast. And one of
the things that make electric cars really quick is that the fact that they get that instant torque, right? You hit
the motor, it's not like it's got to spin up and change gears. You get 100%
of power immediately. Yeah. So, this
giant giant car, SUV, crossover,
whatever you want to call it. Yeah. Will do 0 to 60 in 2.3 seconds. What? 2.3?
For comparison, that Lamborghini you did is probably somewhere in the 3se second
range. Yeah. No, no, it's much lower than that. Yeah. Yeah. So, hold on.
Well, let's let's look it up. cuz I'm pretty sure 2.39 is what they quoted
which seems kind of cheeky because the Tesla will do 2.4. So like 2.4 how slow?
We do 2.39 like it makes a difference but this thing launches unbelievably
fast. It is an enormous enormous vehicle on allseason tires. is unreal is like
when they launched it like it really felt like have you ever been on like one of those roller coaster rides where it's
like you're at a stop and it'll like do like they like launch you like it's just
like that instant immediate like that first half second where you like go from
zero to like 30 it feels like it was crazy and I've been in Teslas and I mean
it's not crazy different but the difference is this thing is enormous.
No, you're right. You're right. Yeah, it's probably somewhere in the sort of
the Aventador. I don't think I see the uh you had the uh Gallardo. Yeah, the
Gallardo. It's going to be three, maybe low four, but this thing is 2.4 seconds,
2.39. Fairy Future is a company that has a lot of issues as far as like the whole
like they're trying to build like a factory in North Las Vegas, which apparently they've been having a lot of
issues with funding. There's like there's a lot of like behind the scenes
thing, but keep in mind this company is brand new, right? They've never created
anything. Uh, one of the guys said that they're 1500 employees already. Like
this is the first uh car, but obviously the idea is that they're going to be building more. Like they've got the
chassis and the motors and stuff. This thing has like a 1000 horsepower, by the way. And it's supposed to have uh I
think 130 kilowatt hour battery, which is probably why it's so long, right?
It's a super interesting thing. I think a lot of people are afraid it's going to
be vapor and that the company may not actually be able to pull through, but
from what I saw, they've got something cool here. I think it's a little bit
polarizing on the looks front, but the interior that I saw was cool. But most
importantly, the performance is real. Like it's an actual thing that they are.
it might not be ready for prime time and next year it might not be ready to
actually be on sale. But it was really surprising after hearing all like the
the negative stuff around because I mean they're a fairly private company right
now since they actually haven't like released a product. But I've got to say
for everything I've seen at CES so far besides one thing which is going to be
in a video soon I can't talk about. But besides that, this is one of the coolest
things I saw. Okay. So yeah, that's significantly faster than my motorcycle.
What What do you have? Uh it's an SV 650S and I think that gets uh looking
just looking it up online somewhere in the neighborhood of 3.3 seconds which is
insanely fast. Yeah. But this is like a giant giant like SUV like a boat. Wow.
It's crazy. 1 horsepower. 1 horsepower.
So yeah fascinating. That is one of the coolest things I've seen in a while. I
did not expect it to be as actually legit as it was. Here's a cool thing
that I saw. Um, LG has abandoned the modular smartphone concept after one
attempt. So, um, in response to all the
haters that I got on my G5 review, which
was not a very positive review, I did get a couple things sort of wrong, which
happens from time to time. Uh, you know how it is. Um, in response to all the
haters, this is the best thing ever. My friends and I all own G5s. We think it's
the best thing since sliced bread. Um, apparently more people agreed with me
because it's dead. The thing was they
didn't really do it right. No, they immediately got upstaged by the Moto Z,
which you just snap it on. You've played with Moto Z, right? I have. It's a much
better way of doing it versus turning the phone off, taking it out, clipping
on with the battery, which always felt to me like this is like you're going to
break it. Yes. And then you have to put it back in and reboot it, and then it
was always like everything had to be on the bottom, right? Whereas being able to
snap stuff on the back, I think, was a better solution. Very cool. And plus,
not only that, but Project Ara died uh what, a couple months ago, right? So,
the modular smartphone thing. I don't know. So, it's try they're trying to go
modular smartphone. And at the same time, Apple's getting even tighter
integrated and now we're waterproof and we're this and we're that. And it's it's
it's hard to compete with. Look, I feel
like purpose-built device for mainstream consumer stuff. the idea of being able
to open it up and to be modular and to be able to customize it. I feel like
that battle was lost a while ago. For enthusiasts, sure, but for mainstream
stuff, like you can't there's not a whole lot you can do. Like if what if
you open that laptop, what can you do to it? I can change the SSD and the
wireless card. Perfect. Super awesomely upgradeable, right? And this is not even
like a mainstream laptop, I would argue. Like this is very high-end. This is
something that was Yeah. So, I feel like
with something like a smartphone, modularity is cool, but like something
like Project R kind of struck me as a thing where it's like this is a cool
idea in theory, but like who is exactly
going to buy this phone? Yeah. So, I don't know. I The G5 was a cool phone. I
didn't really dislike it that much. I just thought that it was a little goofy
and also I didn't like the sort of plastic metal finish on it. Right. But,
I'm not surprised. Okay. Well, I think
that's pretty much it for uh for my topics. I mean, there's a couple other
little things. There's a new HDMI spec uh 2.1. 2.1. So, that actually is 8K
ready, right? Yes, it is. So, dynamic HDR, 8K resolution, and more. And more.
My favorite part. Um, also that shiny new wallpaper TV, blah blah blah. I've
got to go check that. Is that the LG booth? Uh, yeah. Yeah, dude. I've got to check that. Don't expect any updates and
it's out of date already. Basically, HMI 2.1. So, there you go. I I mean it
doesn't matter because you don't need 8K support on a 4K TV, but um isn't that
how that works? You know, more pixels are better, right? I'm frustrated at the
way that the TV makers treat TVs like a one year and done. Oh, dude. Absolutely.
So, I I asked LG, I was like, "Hey, so the signature, is that getting support
for those two additional HDR um formats that the new TVs are the 2017
models are getting?" Like, they're like, "No." And I'm like, you understand this
is an $8,000 product, right? On some level. You know what surprises me? Same
thing with cars, right? So, you can buy a car and it's like the next year
there's like, oh, look, we're adding like Android Auto and CarPlay. Seems like it should be a software update.
Like, oh no, you have to buy a new car. Yeah. It's like, are you are you kidding
me? It's like it's like I feel like the
reason aside from just being cheapcapes, like not investing the R&D, I feel like
the main reason is actually this
incredibly myopic attempt to not
cannibalize sales of the new product. Yeah. And what it demonstrates to me is
a complete and utter lack of understanding of what the upgrade cycle
for a major purchase like a high-end TV or a car would be. Right? That's not a
yearly thing. No, a 20 basically all
you've done, you haven't incentivized a
2016 customer to get your new OLED. You
have given them a gigantic like 3inch
girth dildo up the butt. It's pretty
accurate for buying from you. That's what you've done.
Yeah, I agree. You screwed them. You bent them over and screwed them. And
then what? You expect them to care that you added some stupid new feature that
you're not giving to them because you're a jerk. I and when it's actually time
for them to replace that TV in five years, right? You think they want to
come to you? I mean, they don't really have a choice because nobody's doing
this properly right now, right? But 5 years from now,
frustrating. I don't know, man. I don't know. So, that's my take on that. That's
just a short rant. Yeah. So, I think that's pretty much it. Uh, thank you
guys very much for watching the WAN Show. Huge shout out to Austin. You guys
got to go check him out over at uh Austin, not Duncan 333303. You You tell
them where to find you. I don't know. Um Austin Evans on YouTube. That's right.
That's all I really Hey guys. Hey guys. This is Austin and I have no voice. Hey
guys, this is Austin and I'm I'm annoying. Yeah, it's completely accurate
on all fronts. So you guys go check him out. He's going to have presumably at
least one video from CES. We've been down here for like four years. I've
actually already shot three videos, but they're all being spaced out. Yeah, I'm
just spacing them out. The content calendar, the schedule, you know,
production words, you know, I got like a team. We got to have like a meeting and
Well, to be fair, we are supposed to be editing a video right now and people are texting me that the video is due and I'm
like here with you. So, so I'll let you go. All right. Thanks, guys, for tuning
in to the WAN Show and we will see you again next week. Uh, not at the same
time, but definitely on the same channel, probably with 100% more Luke, I
hope. Yeah, I hope so. He's in uh he's in pretty rough shape. Poor guy. He's
got to get up so early tomorrow, man.