The iMac Pro Controversy... - WAN Show Apr.20 2018
Linus Tech Tips
·Linus Tech Tips
·2018-05-06
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11,546 words · ~57 min read
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oh boy it's a web show time yeah
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we got this we got this there's uh that was my showtime a little while ago but
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not a ton of news but there is some news oh there is definitely some news should
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i miss something uh well you enthusiastic i am like
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all upset about right to repair crap right now oh yes okay so there was there
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okay here what what what what is that here uh apple iOS 11.3 updated and left
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some repaired iphones i believe specifically third-party repaired
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iphones with with no touch functionality when i first
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read this i thought it meant like it wouldn't fingerprint you oh okay no the
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screen no no much worse than that we're talking iphones that worked and were
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bricked by software yeah uh california is the latest state to explore net
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neutrality protection after the fcc repeal and google chat is set to rival
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imessage and displace sms okay that i
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really want to talk about too because you know alo
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yeah yeah that whole team was like disbanded now and moved over to this
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okay google just straight up cannot make their make up their mind
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uh okay oh this i plan to talk about for a fair bit so oppo
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oppo digital to be clear oppo digital not oppo is ceasing development of new
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products and if you guys are thinking what aren't they like a gigantic phone
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manufacturer oppo digital is not yeah
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and this is important for a number of reasons so we're going to get into that
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after the intro which will work maybe yeah
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oh oh some people don't like your don't like your color
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my color they're like it looks like an instagram filter
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oh oops oh oh we have sponsors
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that's me
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what do you think okay so here's the problem it's hard to
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tell because this is a gaming monitor
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and whoever's watching might be on i don't know something else something
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else but i i can tell you guys that looking
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at it on my blade anyway um like i kind
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of look like that in person maybe it's a little rich
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maybe it's a little rich it's not that far off though like our
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shirts are actually you know what it's it's not far off yeah um i mean part of
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why we look weird might be that we are really popping out as colorful
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against sort of a more like neutral set will this work
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um i guess that would do that either way but there's a light like like i can
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almost touch it yeah i do that and there's one on that side and i would almost be able to touch this one if my
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arms were long because i wasn't a small human yeah like it's it's a very
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different setup than normal oh i haven't even seen you this week no
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i've been really not even once like what is going on i've barely slept this
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week i went to bed at five in the morning last night
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i skipped my stream on wednesday i'm skipping my stream tonight
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this has been a rough rough week we'll make it though next week is looking good
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yeah if i get if i get everything done this weekend next week is looking good
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okay sweet so this is all Floatplane stuff yeah right okay all right yeah so
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i had what i thought were some really good updates for you and then i think i
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ended up crapping on you you did towards the second half that was great that was
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a good little bump part way through the week yeah yeah
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um so you know it's
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okay there is a lot going well just we're not explaining any of this stuff
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yeah i really talked about most of it which isn't very helpful yeah which is unfortunate we're we're still
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progressing uh things are going well the there's the
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paypal option on the new site should be ready fairly soon there's been a lot of
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minor fixes that have come out there was one that a lot of people were complaining about which took us a little
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while to kind of figure out but the resolution selection was not showing up
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for a whole people with ad block yeah
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it shouldn't matter there's no ads on flow plane it shouldn't matter but for
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some reason that was a thing so uh we ended up fixing that which was which was
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nice well that's i don't think that was to be clear that wasn't something we were doing intentionally no it was just
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it was something to do with the element that is our resolution control
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thing looked like a third-party thing being
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loaded or something like that yeah so that that's now been fixed so that's
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good yeah so then there's been other like there's
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been a lot of improvement things my like personal week like doing the stuff that
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i do was just rough the platform is doing great because my like stuff was
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has been and when paypal rolls around by by the time
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by this time next week by WAN Show next week i think we'll have a new creator to
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announce yeah um maybe two depending on
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whether one of them who i'm just gonna say it who is a little bit lazy
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one of them who's a little bit lazy depending on whether that one gets back
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to me with some paperwork uh whatever i i i would tell that person to
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their face yeah are you asking yeah dog
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he knows what's up hey hey look look i wouldn't say
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everyone's gonna know i wouldn't say anything about anyone on WAN Show
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that i wouldn't say to their face because i know that watching land show
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if they weren't too lazy it was pretty straightforward
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i'm not lazy i don't think anyone's got he's probably just got lots of other
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important things as well look i've i've heard it from this person's manager
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i've heard it from this person directly and i have made i have made my own
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observations about because okay i like this person very much me too
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disparaging very it's not disparaging disparaging has to be untrue okay okay
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very talented creator could probably be much bigger
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if the sleeves got rolled up a little more often wow
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wow that's a compliment that's a compliment kind of
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it's a backhanded compliment it's a it's a pat on the back with a spiked glove
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it's a subset of compliments can we agree on that
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all right oh my goodness um well then all right uh we've got a lot
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of great topics for you guys today i want to hide behind the intro
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i'm coming back i'm coming back i got this oh man um okay why don't why
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don't we jump right into one of our bigger topics of the week so um this one
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the original article here is from motherboard.vice.com
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by the way go ahead and pop this up here sharing in the chat and bringing up on
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screen and talking about stuff is difficult when you're gone thank you for
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coming back oh yeah oh you're very welcome
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there's a lot of stuff to do i was in china last week um that was a lot of fun
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we had a lot of people ask us uh if we were planning a collab with strange
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parts and no
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we weren't planning a collab oh god okay uh yo you know what i guess i guess
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i better just well but no sorry that one was an accident
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the cable management on my mouse is a little tight here i was so excited and
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you made me so sad for such a short period of time okay we were not planning
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a collab but actually i had one of the best in-flight experiences i have ever
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had on my way to china so i did a daytime flight for a change instead of a
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red-eye so i was awake for the plane ride yeah and my wi-fi was
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banging i was getting one megabyte per second
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downloads for like long stretches of what was a
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nine or ten hour flight or whatever it was yeah dawg it was nice to china from
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here yes sir wow and they did warn me that there would be some
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some kind of sketchy spots over russia and over china itself
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but they actually were very short and speeds were just slower not bad okay
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yeah so i was really impressed and so i got a lot of work done i actually got
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something like 200 emails done while i was on that flight including several to
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scotty cool so we actually synced up while i was on my way over there and we
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ended up working out a plan for getting together and what we ended up doing was
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exploring the uh sort of the electronics market in shenzhen yeah cause i saw your
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tweet saying you were doing that with them so i when you said you you didn't
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do a thing i was really confused about it i'm really excited no we we did get
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together it's called uh bay hakwang bay
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whatever okay my chinese is not great i made him say it in the video yeah yeah
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it's just like he seems to be quite good um it's okay
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it's my favorite thing is when he says something i'm like wow i'm impressed and
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then the person like does a little like shuffle back slightly and then responds
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in english and i'm like come on he tried so hard that sounded so good
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ouch yeah so um so we got together and we
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started out just kind of like poking around but what i realized was that
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place is so vast and there is so much stuff in it that
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it is like it's overwhelming yeah like it's
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completely overwhelming like if you want laser pointers that can burn stuff you
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can find that if you want what are apparently really cool microscopes i'm
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not much of a microscope nerd but what are apparently like super cool
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microscopes you can you can get that stuff uh i know lou from unbox therapy
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ended up like going on a shopping spree ultimately but
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i'm not much of a shopper i actually buy
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very little stuff other than like yeah you too yeah oh i
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thought you were j i thought you were gesturing something okay yeah like we're
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both kind of cheap
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so i'm not the kind of person who just like walks into a mall
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and is like oh wow i need to buy all the things my mom bought me this shirt thank
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you mom so what i realized is i needed an objective
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okay so what i found out was that his editor is actually based in mexico
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okay um and is running like a very very like
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very run-of-the-mill and not current gen editing system
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so i was like how about this let's see if we can build a system here
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a video editing system for cheaper than if we just ordered it
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off newegg.com okay so certain parts like graphics cards for
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example mining by the way huge in hwashang bay i know i said it
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wrong i'm sorry but whatever huge that huge in china in general so if we had
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wanted mining stuff then there's lots of selection
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but mining pricing and then the effect that mining has on pricing of components
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like gpus is pretty much sort of what it is it's
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like it's like people who travel expecting to get a deal on a gold
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bracelet yeah it's like gold's a commodity
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it costs what it costs and you can pay in whatever sort of
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rupees or shekels or or
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dong or whatever you can pay in whatever currency you want you're still
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ultimately paying what you're paying um
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so certain components like graphics cards there were not deals to be found
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but then there are other things like i found this like 1600 watt power supply
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that was like 80 bucks oh wow i didn't buy that one because i picked it up and
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i was like oh wow it's far too light for what you're saying there is nothing in there
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but but like cases you would think given that they're
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probably manufactured up the road that cases would be pretty cheap
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um so it turns out cases are actually
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well okay the case is a cool part of the video
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okay you're gonna enjoy that so anyway i was like okay let's build an editing
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workstation for his editor and then halfway through he's like you know what
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screw my editor i'm gonna give the system away to my
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viewers so what i think what's actually gonna
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happen is he's got a video of kind of his side of this whole interaction
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and he filmed so stealthily i even asked him at the end i was like
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did you film anything he's like oh yeah i filmed like most of it i'm like
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wow because you know how he's always doing that stuff whereas he like puts his
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camera on the counter and he's got the like
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that guy is stealthy you're like tall white dude in china
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um so so he's got his side and we've got our side and then he's going to be doing
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a giveaway of the system that we built to one of his viewers because i don't
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know i don't know if people know this in general but he's trying to go full-time
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youtuber i didn't know that yeah like that has been his intent oh okay so what looked
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like just sort of a weird side project was actually just a pretty focused
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pretty smart dude making some super explosive videos to get his channel kick
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started okay yeah yeah if you guys don't somehow know who we're talking about uh
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it's scotty from strange parts you can check out the strange parts youtube
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channel yeah so he's uh more likely to be recognized as the guy who built his
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own iphone out of parts or the guy who sent
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a iphone jack or a headphone jack to an iphone
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all right people are gonna be like people are gonna be flipping their crap okay one
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spoiler we end up with a ryzen system oh
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cool cool yeah all right
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so uh let's go back to what i was planning to talk about which is the new
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iOS update that right right this this is what got me talking about him because he
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his whole thing is like hacking phones apparently so anyway new
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iOS iOS update killed touch functionality on iphone 8
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motherboard.vice.com you guys got to be careful because that looks like iphone
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8s that does that does quite directly look
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like iphone 8 i know it is technically not grammatically correct but if you
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throw an apostrophe in there people will know sort of inherently that you mean iphone
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eights oh it's a comment that's not what they mean
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wow yeah there is no iphone 8s yeah
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i know so yeah if you if you put the apostrophe
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in there like little pro tip it's incorrect but people will know what you
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mean at least yeah or you can do iphone 8 phones or
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something like that but i don't know if that's good for a seo but then they don't have that this is weird yes 8 ass
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is sort of a bad idea anyway so what went down here was wrong
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apple rolled out iOS 11.3 and if you've
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if you've ever sort of looked into right to repair and apple's reputation around
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this whole movement this probably won't surprise you that
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much because they've been known to do things like
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um not provide third-party repair shops with the with the tools that they need
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in order to retain touch id functionality on iphones with replaced
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home buttons and this was far more of an issue with a phone like the iphone 6s
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which had a hardware touch button or excuse me a hardware
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home button that was not solid state so they switched to the solid state button
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with the seven which is much harder to break whereas those those clicky buttons
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now that was a pretty common piece to end up damaged on the iphone leading up
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to that time so so what would happen was people would take it into a third-party
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repair shop and they would have a perfectly authentic button and a
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perfectly authentic phone and they would put them together
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but without apple's special sauce they wouldn't be able to
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make it work even though that has nothing to do with
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the secure enclave that actually holds the fingerprint information this was
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just apple being restrictive because they can be restrictive
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um so anyway the issue affected phones
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that had their screens replaced with aftermarket displays i.e not repaired by
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an apple authorized facility and it is believed to be because of an
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incompatibility between a small chip that controls the screen and the
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aftermarket displays um so it's possible this is an accident
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it is possible that it is something apple did on purpose but either way john
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is saying that our apostrophe thing is not incorrect it's an exception and you
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can put it after a number if it's a single digit oh
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well thank you john martin appreciate that okay so my confusion there though
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would be if it was an iphone 10
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yeah you would say iphone 10s yeah but in text
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yeah but you would say so oh x because you said single digit oh right it's an x
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yeah and that's still not a digit yeah
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so in this case yeah our little thing works for grammatically correct hooray
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the 10's gonna wreck everything go apple
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um so i guess this whole this whole um
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breaching the topic of broaching reaching broaching whatever uh on the
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topic of right to repair um yes
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i will have a response i don't know if you've been following this drama but we
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did a video on how our imac pro is still broken
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um and wow pretty much everyone and their
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dog has made a response one of the news
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articles about it on an apple sort of centric news site has a thousand
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comments on it yeah wow like this went this went viral
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and sort of a very general sentiment the general consensus depends
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on who you ask if people are more of like if they're more in sort of the
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techy uh pc diy crowd they're like wow this is
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ridiculous yeah if they're in the um
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not that crowd cupertino crowd ah let's
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let's call it that if they're in the cupertino crowd then it's my fault for
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not reading the terms and conditions that stipulate that apple doesn't have
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to repair something that has been modified by a third party
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so okay i i actually have a lot of notes made
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for this video already we'll be addressing the vast majority of the
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comments that people have made that's exciting we don't do that that often
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articles that have been written well the actually we wouldn't be doing it except
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that we still need to fix the freaking
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imac pro so that's in progress we are working on
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a solution that will allow us to get parts and fix it okay it's going to be a
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weird solution and we're going to be talking about the hoops that we've had to jump through
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in order to get there some of the hoops that were available that we chose not to
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jump through whether because they were too expensive or too sketchy or whatever else the case
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may be but this this saga is far from
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over cool there is one thing that i absolutely want to address now
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and tell you what i haven't screenshotted anything yet so if you're
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one of the tool sheds out there who posted that this was the reason that
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they denied the repair you can go back and edit your comment and you won't end
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up in the video okay a shocking number of people
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said that even though apple never said this and it's nowhere in the screenshots
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and it's nowhere in the policy and it's certainly not in the video a number of
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people have concluded that apple didn't repair it because the cost of the parts
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i mean you guys totaled this thing the cost of the parts is so high that it's
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more than just buying a new machine anyway so you should just buy a new machine what are you stupid
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okay
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even if all
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of the parts that we listed in the video the display
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the main board and the power supply even
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if they're all dead which they may very well not be you can actually have a
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component short out and
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be protected by the onboard circuitry that does exist
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in some cases if you get lucky you can actually have sparks fly off aboard and
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have it live for years even if all of the components that we
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think could possibly be dead are in fact dead
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that is a 5 000 machine
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you got to be drinking some pretty freaking amazing kool-aid to think that
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a monitor a motherboard and a power supply are
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worth five thousand dollars that's at least a three thousand dollar power
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supply three thousand dollar power supply is that you get get get off my show don't even know here get off my
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show you don't even work here
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that's uh that's fair the CPU alone
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is like five seven hundred dollars yeah the 32
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gigs of ddr4 ecc RAM yeah that has a
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value that's expensive the chassis remember this is an apple chassis it's a
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special chassis that costs money the SSD
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the dual ssds those are still good so people running
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in going well i mean you broke this stuff total
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write-off total write-off that that's why they wouldn't replace it the cost was too high and i had one i had one guy
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being like that's like you know it's gonna be 300 of labor plus the cost of
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these parts is more than the cost of the cyst pretty drunk
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oh man like the amount of like the amount of
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worship that goes on here
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just boggles my mind it baffles me anyway there will be a video
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i promise it will be epic and i don't know if i'm ready to promise
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this yet but we are definitely working on flying mr lewis rossman out here
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to help me put this thing back together okay
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that would be awesome so i have nothing else to say about it until the video
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comes out but it's gonna be fun
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we're gonna have some fun we're gonna we're gonna really cool you know i don't drink but we'll we'll we'll figuratively
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pop some brewskis and fix an imac pro and talk about how that's going and it's
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going to be a good thing it's going to be a good thing i'll drink them for you
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uh yes taran would be happy to drink briskies for me oh my god that that have
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you already started turn that that bullet
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it's all good all right um
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speaking of drinking hey by the way what time do we start tomorrow ten o'clock
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okay i told you i'm just making sure i ordered food for you because you
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didn't order it i've been very busy
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thank you speaking of drinking we actually have a deeper relationship that
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uh wait i don't know is this is this out there yet i don't know if uh Colton's
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gonna run down and yell at me if i if i say this
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i think i'm just gonna do it should i just do it i mean i don't work here
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anymore go ahead we are we're apparently gonna be doing
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our own blend oh that's cool yeah really yeah
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cool yeah how is that gonna work um there's a way don't worry okay yeah like
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it's actually less complicated than you might think i don't i know nothing about coffee
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nope i'm not going to change it i'm just going to leave freshbooks up there and
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then we're going to eat some savage jerky okay and then i'm going to change
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i'm going to leave that savage jerky one on for a bit i'm just i'm going to have
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a time delay it's like rooting through like a treasure chest i know right
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they sent so much maple buffalo bacon and i'm so excited i'm gonna have some
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but i'm gonna have some of the sriracha bacon first i spent lots of uh bacon
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i'm in i meant no i'm not no i'm not sharing that kind though it's for me
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they sent it because they know i like it they didn't send it because they know you like it ed
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maybe if they send even more next time i will consider sharing the maple muff
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buffalo bacon
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yeah actually yeah hold on i'm gonna put this over here
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you know what i'm gonna put it right next to me
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okay so it's not being hidden it's being put in like a high threat area that's
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right you get close you're going to get swatted yo
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no not that like
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what do you think man
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like you know like
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i don't know we're on the platform that that is like popular on
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savage jerky is made with high polishing pretty savage without nitrates or
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preservatives their goal was to create a snack that's full of flavor and not bad
28:05
for you they've got 13 different flavors of jerky
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some of the favorites are sriracha bacon this one's actually really good i don't know if i've tried this one before this
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is really good um they're maple buffalo bacon uh
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traditional uh moho mojo flavors are fantastic
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um aside from jerky they make barbecue sauce hot sauce and a spice rub they're
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carolina reaper hot sauce uses one of the hottest peppers in the world
28:28
the bell haha i think i made that joke before but whatever it's the carolina
28:31
reaper duh it's right in the name and you can use offer code LTT
28:35
to save 10 over at savage jerky.com
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that one really good dang so you're out your bacon can i try
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it yes
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i've technically only claimed the maple buffalo bacon uh-huh
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only one piece i might claim this in the future though really nice
28:57
all right so the original article here is from
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ourstechnica.com but it would appear as though
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california is the latest
29:08
in a number of states that are exploring net neutrality bills to protect net
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neutrality in spite of what's going on
29:15
with the federal government
29:19
so basically they're attempting to restore net neutrality provisions that
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are similar to the ones that were used by the fcc before their recent
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repeal however in addition to prohibiting fast
29:31
lanes throttling blocking and paid prioritization they want to go a step
29:36
further to prohibit zero rating which is
29:40
when the use of a certain site such as netflix doesn't count against a user's
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data cap now
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i have mixed feelings about xero rating
29:53
it sounds cool like at first
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uh the issue with it the big the big issue with it is say
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one of these isps owns a service which is really common um
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they could zero rate their own service so that you subscribe to them instead of
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someone else so john's coming but in the meantime i want to present my
30:15
um he's deleted all his notes i i wanna i wanna okay i wanna present my sort of
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dumb consumer who's very selfish
30:25
sort of point of view and go well i can see things about this that i would
30:29
really like because zero rating can be applied in
30:33
that way where someone like a comcast
30:37
might say that okay you know watching watching shows from comcast who owns
30:42
comcast again or who does comcast own or
30:45
nbc okay so you know nbc streams don't count against your data usage
30:50
but there are cases of zero rating where
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they aren't implementing it on their own services like for example t-mobile
30:59
allows i think it's uh youtube streaming
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doesn't count against your data plan well i mean google doesn't own t-mobile
31:06
and vice versa this is just a handshake deal which
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again on the surface can look really good for consumers
31:14
because hey you can watch all the youtube you want if you're a t-mobile
31:18
theoretically that hurts like twitch and whatever else but
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or some you know young upstart video streaming platform
31:27
hey that has higher bit rates and that
31:30
doesn't have a chance to talk to t-mobile about such an arrangement so
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john's going to tag in for me and talk in a little bit more detail about oh
31:37
that was why you're here right yeah yeah no feel free to explain it in better
31:42
detail than one it was like the last bullet point though
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okay so we're looking at we're looking at the california uh bill on
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neutrality right so okay so um which way which bullet point
31:56
are we on because the last bullet point is here we've we've only gone through a few of them but we've talked about this
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kind of thing on the show before so i think a lot of people kind of know okay essentially what's going on okay so um
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so you talked about zero writing already right yep so okay so um right now the
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bill is at um it got passed by like this little subcommittee or something in
32:14
their uh state house okay um so it still has to be uh passed by both chambers
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signed into law and all that but um both chambers and the governor's mansion
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are currently controlled by democrats who traditionally have been more friendly towards net neutrality so we'll
32:26
see what happens with it um right now isps are unsurprisingly
32:31
opposing the bill and they also might challenge it in court if it does indeed
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become law um there are a number of legal arguments
32:38
they could use to try to get this scrapped and this is interesting not
32:41
only because california is such a huge state but since the fcc repeal a few
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months ago um i think they've gone so far they've gone further than
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any other states have and trying to have like a real sort of like comprehensive
32:54
net neutrality law right so
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um what i put down here was they might argue um federal preemption or that the
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bill unduly burdens what is federal preemption so that is when a federal law
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and a state law come into conflict okay and there's a number of ways that can
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happen obviously there are very clear cases where the federal law says one
33:15
thing and the state law says exactly the opposite so you don't need to be a
33:18
lawyer to understand that but there's also cases where it's a little bit more
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subtle this being one of them so what happened when the fcc uh repealed
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um the net neutrality protections a few months back
33:31
they they specifically said we need to return to light touch regulation of the
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internet this is exactly what we're doing so
33:38
is it really actually preempting anything if and lions is just
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going to reach over the desk here and steal some more sriracha bacon jerky i don't blame him that stuff is delicious
33:46
but uh but it's good yeah
33:49
okay anyway so um
33:53
what was i talking about federal freeze distracting you with this little like
33:56
bacon grab okay so we just right yeah okay so they're trying to the fcc is
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saying they're trying to regulate the internet less give the isps a little
34:05
more leeway yeah but the question here then becomes is there does that mean the
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federal government is intending to um in law they call it occupying the fields
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does the federal government intend to regulate this area so heavily that the
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states can't do anything about it but in their own order they said we're trying
34:24
to regulate this less heavily and scrap these net neutrality regulations so that
34:28
that would be a very interesting like battle in court yeah okay yeah so
34:32
they're saying like we we we don't want to regulate this as much but they're
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aggressively not regulating and trying to make sure that no one else can either
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well i don't know if they're consciously trying to do that but what i'm saying is like when when a big like isp takes the
34:46
state of california to court and says they can't do this they might try to
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argue that the federal government has tried to occupy the field somehow it
34:54
might not be a great argument but i expect them to try it uh the other thing
34:57
they might argue is which they might be more successful with is saying the bill
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unduly burdens interstate commerce which is which is a um which is a
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constitutional argument but basically it's so weird i know right but
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yeah so but the idea is that one state can't um can't meddle in the affairs of
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how other states want to conduct commerce between them so okay uh so
35:21
like if you're if you're importing like let's use a simpler example let's say
35:24
you're importing a bunch of bacon jerky let's say the state of north carolina is
35:28
importing a bunch of bacon jerky um like from another state or from another
35:31
country from another state okay um so
35:35
there actually that would make sense because i think savage jerky is based
35:38
out of georgia so it will be a quick trip anyway so let's say they're reporting a
35:42
bunch of bacon jerky and they have regulations on bacon jerky is that bacon
35:46
jerky bacon turkey bacon jerky bacon jerky like how to summon Linus so anyway so
35:51
let's say there's regulations that the state of nc has on bacon jerky let's say
35:55
that they they can't have but so many preservatives they have to be at least
35:58
you know 95 b for whatever else right this is just a random made up example
36:03
yes it's a hypothetical this is not actually real probably shouldn't have very much beef in it
36:08
it's friday it's been a long week okay
36:12
so so um let's say they have one set of
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regulations for bacon jerky produced in state and
36:20
another set for bacon jerky they're importing from georgia so that would be
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that would be against the constitution you can't do that but if the same rules apply to everybody it will be okay this
36:29
is a little bit more complicated because i could see at t verizon comcast whoever
36:34
else walking into court and saying that even though the law because i actually
36:37
read the law a little bit and it applies to any isp that has customers in
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california which makes sense but um they could argue something about oh the
36:46
internet is so decentralized and because of that this isn't like just importing a
36:50
product or whatever and this is placing an undue burden on interstate commerce
36:53
whether that would win i have no idea but i do expect a lengthy court battle
36:57
so okay so there you have it the internet
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is not like fake and jerky well thank you john and this has been
37:05
the legal corner with john i guess happy weekend thanks john yep
37:11
man the states are weird yeah i know it's trippy i'll never fully
37:15
understand how old stuff works 52 or
37:18
like maybe but not 52 because there are also like territories or something and
37:22
then 50 50 states but then like what is what
37:26
are the ones that aren't yeah what are the ones that aren't states because there's puerto rico yeah guam puerto
37:30
rico what are those like called but they're and they're all kind of like
37:33
little countries except that they're one country sort of
37:37
um except when they like want to do things
37:41
that the the ones running the one country don't like then
37:45
or that they don't like and then i don't know they can like actually fight about
37:48
that whereas in most other countries it's just like no this is how it works
37:52
that's how it works it's interesting it's confusing for someone who's isn't
37:55
from there and didn't like grow up in the system
37:58
i think it's confusing for the people there too
38:03
google chat yeah the original article here is from
38:07
tom's guide wow so okay you had a comment that all
38:13
the the aloe team was dissolved and brought over here apparently yes um this
38:18
is not the first time this has happened do you think this is the last time
38:22
man i don't know what to tell you because
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uh the article that i was reading about this
38:29
basically had like a timeline of the whole
38:33
experience of of google and
38:36
chat applications going all the way back to i think google talk was the first one
38:40
so to give people a little bit of background google chat is a newly
38:43
proposed thing from google is set to rival imessage and display sms which is
38:49
probably the exact same lines that we've had with previous chat applications from
38:53
google but they are taking a different approach this time so to be clear this
38:58
is not google talk turning into g chat turning into oh man was it then
39:03
integrated with hey uh with google plus and then turning into hangouts
39:08
and then aloe aloe and the other one in there was
39:12
there another one what was the other one they released like two i remember the
39:15
last time the most confusing thing was that they released two at basically the same time and they were only marginally
39:20
different yeah
39:23
aloe and like something else i've had a hard time keeping track of exactly
39:27
what's been going on and yet like i just i find the whole experience of of
39:33
both sms and chat on Android very frustrating because the feature sets are
39:38
are divergent in like little stupid ways so for example the messages team like
39:43
you know just the default vanilla stock Android i shouldn't say
39:47
vanilla because that might be in Android at some point like the stock Android messages app
39:53
um it's like so back afterwards in some
39:57
ways where like like it doesn't have cloud
40:00
backup and i'm gonna say here's going around youtube demonetization saying it
40:04
that way bass ackwards yeah i don't know probably um
40:09
so it's like it's so backwards it doesn't even have cloud backup which
40:13
just blows me away that that's not completely automatic when i switch from
40:17
one Android phone to another one all my sms messages are gone
40:20
but that team apparently still exists
40:24
because it must have i don't think it was that long ago that they looked at
40:28
how well a lot of people are busy using facebook messenger because sms is sort
40:32
of trashed by today's standards um and basically the only thing they're using
40:36
sms for is verification codes so when you get your notification from messages
40:40
it has marcus red which is like awesome
40:44
so you never have to touch it again you don't have to click through it to mark it as red you don't have to if you swipe
40:49
it away it doesn't stay unread awesome
40:53
it is pretty great hangouts doesn't have that gmail doesn't have that
40:58
and and pretty much i mean pretty much any app now is just
41:02
notification spam as far as i can tell and so the ability to mark a
41:06
notification as red when it comes in without actually opening the
41:10
notification very nice if i can the more i can do in
41:14
the notification tray the better because if i could just do everything i need to without even opening anything that's
41:20
fantastic so also the the app i was thinking of
41:23
was duo which was their video chat thing so they launched alo and duo at pretty
41:28
much the same time and they were both for communicating yeah
41:31
okay but this is not
41:35
this is not like um like a new app
41:39
that's just another hangouts or allo replacement or whatever the case may be
41:42
this is more of a back-end upgrade yeah
41:46
so they're calling it location services what is this yeah rich communication
41:50
services so unlike sms it'll support video
41:55
uh it'll have red receipts it'll support higher res images
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and the mobile networks will have to opt in
42:03
but the idea is that
42:09
and you know that's a funny thing to me why do people even care about imessage
42:13
that much my message is great what are you talking about what's great about it i don't know
42:17
it just feels nice it goes quick you can tell what phone
42:20
they have which is cool i don't know every time i've had an
42:24
iphone i like that message right but did it really make a
42:27
difference to you one way or the other if the bubble was blue or green i mean
42:30
some sms sucks as you know how much better really is facebook chat
42:35
it's not it's not the only reason i use facebook chat is so my message is great
42:39
because it's fine but yeah but facebook chat has a built-in phone book i don't
42:42
that's what's useful about facebook chat yeah i don't have everyone on facebook
42:47
right but if you wanted to find someone that's the point of a phone book not an address i don't want to add facebook to
42:52
having access to all my stuff though you don't have to you just you just search
42:56
facebook for a person and they're like oh right that person and you contact
42:59
them like that's what i mean by a phone book not an address book
43:03
okay like like a directory so that's the only reason i give
43:08
any apps whatsoever about facebook you contact that way on facebook i don't
43:11
know like people that i like met at badminton once and like want to play
43:15
with again sometime but i didn't exchange phone numbers with them
43:18
wow but i remember their name because it'll come up automatically because
43:21
they'll be friends with a bunch of other badminton people okay so it'll know like
43:25
if i'm searching for andy it'll be like oh yeah probably this andy
43:29
even though you don't have them in your contacts i've never used that yeah okay
43:32
it's like super useful or like if there was someone that you don't go outside so
43:36
you ran into at a lan party or something it might know
43:40
aren't cool anymore i know i wish they were i would love that so it might know
43:45
from their association with other gamers that that's the you know tom smith that
43:49
you were most likely to be looking for so it's just it's it's that's why i use
43:53
that that's the only reason i care about that i message other than animojis which
43:57
is a completely artificial lockdown thank you apple there's no reason why
44:00
you couldn't send an emojis as a video clip in hangouts for example other than
44:04
that they just don't want you to um i don't really get it
44:07
what's so amazing about it maybe people are telling me in twitch chat but there's really there's really there
44:11
isn't much else though group messages on imessage and whatsapp are much better
44:16
than sms okay that's fine but whatsapp has that and you can do that on facebook
44:20
messenger um imessages end-to-end encrypted sms is open to snooping image
44:26
is much less creepy okay facebook so if you care about that then you can be
44:30
using a third-party messaging service
44:34
in general because imessage is just automatically turned on and turned off
44:38
depending on who the what kind of phone the other person has so it's like
44:42
it's it's like only like sometimes running your vpn when you talk to like
44:45
some people so i don't really get that either why don't you use discord that we're
44:50
talking about privacy stuff on my computer um okay yes integration with the desktop
44:56
experience is a good one um
44:59
facebook messenger same thing whatsapp same thing uh hangout same thing
45:04
people are like it just works it kind of does though yeah it kind of
45:08
does but like and i know it's a funny tagline but it kind of does just sort of work
45:14
it just sort of works the way you would expect sms too but it doesn't
45:18
okay i mean so then in a nutshell
45:21
chat is like a back-end upgrade to sms
45:26
that other messaging apps this is cool like samsung's messaging app will
45:30
support google actually has a fair number of
45:35
partners signed and signed on for this thing so
45:38
like i mean i guess i'm excited and that's cool
45:42
but i just um yeah i guess that's cool
45:48
i don't know i just i don't feel like imessage needed to be something that
45:52
had to be competed with but apparently it does i do and i guess maybe what i'm
45:56
forgetting is that a lot of people like when i message my
45:59
mom she doesn't have whatsapp or facebook messenger even or
46:05
anything like to her text messages text message
46:08
and so if this upgrades the text message experience that normies are probably
46:12
just using by default because they don't know anything else then i guess that's
46:16
good but even then we're still not going to have perfect coverage because we're
46:19
going to be relying on iOS to Android and vice versa
46:25
to kind of translate to each other but maybe apple and google will find a way to cooperate on that i'm not sure i
46:29
haven't looked into it carefully enough to know if that's oh no yeah right right here in tom's
46:33
article uh there's no clue as to whether or not apple will support chat
46:37
so there you go it's apparently less secure than apple's own service so it
46:41
might be unlikely see that i i don't know it seems pretty
46:45
secure it does everything you really need it to do and it works all the time
46:50
and it feels smooth and nice i don't know i like the imessage
46:54
it was one of the saddest things about leaving an iphone was i was like oh
46:58
i have to go back to like this weird junk it's just so weird because like
47:03
when lou did that video at ces where he asked a bunch of creators what phone
47:07
they're actually using uh a couple people i think
47:11
maybe it was just one i don't know at least one person brought up my message
47:16
and like all my friends are on imessage
47:19
and so i asked off camera i was like why does that matter what i mean yeah i'm
47:23
not sure yeah i'm like okay i didn't use it enough to actually know because i
47:27
didn't have an iphone for videos is this just really excellent branding
47:30
because even at a tech content creator and i'm not gonna name who they were but
47:34
a tech content creator tech tuber didn't know why he cared about imessage
47:39
it's just my my whole thing was it was very smooth it's i like the idea of text
47:44
messages i like the idea of default apps i've always liked the idea of default
47:48
apps i like default experiences i like a pixel because it is stock Android i
47:53
would love to use the stock Android sms thing but it's garbo i still have to use
47:58
it kind of because like my upstairs neighbors
48:01
bless their wonderful souls use old school text messages um
48:06
and it's kind of jank for that um and there are a
48:11
few other people in my life that i have to use that for i use
48:14
facebook messenger for a lot of my stuff but that sucks not only is it like
48:19
scraping everything it uses an really
48:22
odd amount of battery life it's terrible in a lot of other ways got people saying
48:26
that it's a status symbol yes
48:30
okay that's not why i like it but some people do see it that way if you pop up
48:34
in the imessage with the like i have an iphone color
48:37
it's like a positive thing i didn't even remember which one it was i use it for a
48:41
very short period of time i did know that i really liked my imessage
48:44
experience i texted more people when i was on an
48:47
iphone because i had imessage and i texted less people when i was on
48:51
an Android because i didn't have imessage because the stock texting thing
48:55
sucks so bad i used to have something called go sms pro
49:00
like a long time ago when texting was still really popular because the default
49:05
Android messaging thing was so garbage um that i got go sms pro but then
49:10
something happened there i don't know what it was and they were bad i think i
49:13
just hate everyone who has these problems because they clearly have social lives and i don't
49:18
you know what you're the one that wants you're the one that needs the like
49:21
those people the address book no what no in in freaking
49:26
messenger well i didn't say that because often so many people i didn't say it was
49:30
so many you need to look them up i can prove to you that it's like three ever
49:34
actually
49:38
well i'm at zero okay so
49:42
you're winning by a lot speaking of xero
49:45
uh that's how many new products will be developed by oppo digital so this was
49:49
posted on the forum by uh someone nick
49:52
the majin nick the major man whatever that is
49:56
very sad day oppo and this is uh nick's editorial uh
50:00
oppo made the best video players on the market with superb build quality and
50:03
fantastic customer support guess the market just wasn't there for
50:07
the higher end product i love my udp 203 and hate to think that my next player
50:11
will have to be made of cheap plastic from the likes of sony or samsung so for
50:15
those of you not familiar oppo was a brand that i already couldn't
50:21
understand why they existed back in like
50:27
2012 2011.
50:30
um so this is when i was a product manager back at ncix and one of my
50:33
fellow product managers was gonna bring in these uh high-end dvd
50:39
players and blu-ray players um with the argument being that they had sort of
50:43
fancy upscaling technology and and stuff
50:47
and um they were they were very expensive and i kind of went are you are
50:51
you effing kidding me like db like high-end dvd players that's
50:56
that's kind of like that's kind of like trying to sell premium cassette tapes as
51:00
far as i'm concerned for which i'm sure there's a market but oh they're totally
51:04
in the um okay let me come up with something better retro wave how about like
51:09
i think it's called retro how about like stylish dad sandals
51:13
like okay i would you know
51:16
okay um
51:20
i'm working on this okay so there's a niche for almost
51:24
anything but not for this apparently anymore synth
51:28
wave or new retro wave they like cassette tapes
51:31
okay so we've gotten past the point where
51:35
anyone or at least enough people to sustain this company care enough about fancy
51:40
upscaling features and better build quality on their physical media players
51:45
now i do still buy blu-rays
51:48
periodically because it is
51:52
it does look a lot better than streaming
51:55
but man is blu-ray ever going to get replaced
51:59
like will there be a successor or are we just done i think we're done
52:04
huh
52:07
i mean it's at the point now where it's just people have kind of voted with
52:11
their vault well it's they they want cheaper they don't want higher quality
52:14
and it's gotten to the point where i think the cheaper option is so much
52:19
cheaper that
52:22
a lot of people don't think it's worth it so they're still going to be providing support and doing updates but
52:27
i mean and at the same time to be fair like a
52:30
high-end blu-ray player i think is a little bit harder to explain the value
52:35
of like a lot of people are going to go with like their playstation yeah or
52:39
whatever else xbox one s yeah exactly that's what i'm
52:43
saying playstation doesn't oh no blu-ray player in the ps4 pro right brilliant
52:47
yeah um but like yeah they i i feel like they would go
52:51
with what how did that hold on i might be i might
52:55
have that wrong yeah i played a blu-ray in a ps4 pro like
53:00
not even a pro hold on i might have that wrong what is the stupid thing ultra hd
53:03
sorry that was the stupid thing that i that it didn't have xbox one s
53:07
has support for 4k blu-ray the ps4 pro doesn't i was like wait a minute no no
53:11
the ps3 had blu-ray yeah sorry that's pretty confused for you
53:15
but uh yeah i think people use an existing device or they would rather go
53:19
buy something that can do a bunch of other stuff and play blu-rays
53:23
instead of something that just plays blu-rays speaking of other things dead
53:27
Intel's smart glasses group gone
53:31
the glasses they were working on called vond looked kind of like normal glasses and
53:36
used a low-powered laser beam to beam images into the eye
53:40
so either Intel is giving up on ar for a while or they figured they were never
53:45
going to get laser beams into your eye past the regulatory bodies that pay
53:49
attention to that sort of thing which i think honestly both of those options are
53:52
totally valid
53:56
because i think uh how is this not a much more major topic well we're talking
54:01
about this okay uh GeForce partner program
54:04
is um well we kind of talked about it a little bit last week but it looks like
54:08
it's official ASUS has announced the original
54:11
article here's from hot hardware you weren't here last week uh week before
54:16
i don't know okay areas aries there is
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video cards no i i read the article where it was rumored and i talked about
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it on WAN Show at some point oh okay but this is it it's official
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rog is out for ASUS's high-end gaming
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products that feature AMD
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processors so this is aries which is a play on ASUS's aries with an s not a zed
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high-end like dual GPU AMD Radeon cards
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that were like a limited edition uh similar to their mars ones for NVIDIA
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um so just a summary for those of you who aren't familiar
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the program rewards partners with perks including marketing funds special
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promotions and extra engineering support and ASUS has not gone on the record
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saying it joined the program but with the release of ares
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it is fairly clear that republic of gamers will only be used on GeForce
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cards and other products containing an NVIDIA
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uh processor duh duh
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intense have you seen this
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i have no idea what this is uh yeah it's lame it's just stupid marketing chunk
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um so yeah speaking of stupid marketing junk um that's it for the wine show yeah
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the marketing junk show no
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there's more to it than that i ate jerky for half of this show yeah i was gonna
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say we we eat stuff they don't pay extra for that though and drink some water it's just
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yummy yup cool
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so we'll see you again next week same bad time same bat channel bye
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i don't know what it is but like i didn't even check the time but it's been like exactly an hour
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and it's just something about the rancho that takes exactly an hour
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i think part of it honestly is james has written so many dogs now no
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this was uh john helped me oh yeah
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forgot Floatplane dang it no come back we're no we're
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going back yeah going back coming back it's like a after party but not after
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it's like a post party but not i'm gonna i'm gonna
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say that we didn't because we technically talked
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about at the beginning of the show but we didn't highlight the cool things that are on it so we also did
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here we go oh hang it i would probably yep just a sec
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there we go hey we're still here
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i don't know we didn't stop and start right like we're just still going nice
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my fingers are really jerky though oh i'm not making it much
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better by licking them and then wiping them on my pants but
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um yeah
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yes aj you completely saved the day good job
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all right let's see if i also i noticed that you logged on to uh
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battlegrounds at uh 2 58 local time
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so we're gonna need to talk on monday
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but thank you for saving the day i appreciate it
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okay then uh screen sharing with Linus
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let's go ahead and put that there so what do we have up there
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oh this is a um Techquickie that is actually a very
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unusual looking thumbnail for a Techquickie video
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interesting that's an unusual looking host for a Techquickie video actually john's done a lot of the hosting on
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techwiki lately and uh the reception's been really good
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let's go ahead and go back see how that i see how snappy that site
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is in that beautiful hey here's our hiring video in case Colton gets fired
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you can't really tell but he's like cowering it's great yeah yeah it's
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pretty wonderful uh this went up simultaneously because
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there was an embargo super no one cared hey about ryzen 2 really yeah it was
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like it was not only not like a big momentum spike for the channel but it
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was like devastating slow down oh yeah wow it
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like crushed the channel um
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this one is going to blow up on youtube faster internet for free in 30 seconds
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and it works do you know about cloudflare's dns
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yes yeah yeah yeah so we basically just show people how to change their dns to a
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faster one okay no that's cool that's cool that's cool
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that's cool um i might say
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snappier well you know what you know you know
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what um
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i won't i won't destroy my principles but
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i won't compromise my principles but i might
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i might be flexible sometimes
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technically you might be i don't think it's too brutal i don't
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think this is far off yeah i think it's fine uh self-driving car levels explain
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that's another fast as possible that's cool it's really cool because a lot of
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people don't realize that there's i think six levels something like that six
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levels like level four is not actually the end yeah um so that's pretty cool
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the thinkpad x1 carbon review is up oh i don't know i don't know how much
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Intel is going to like this video xeon w
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is basically that's fun core i9 with ecc and by the
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way here's pay another 700 please
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um but it's it's still worth watching the video we go into it in more detail
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this video ended up being like pretty brutal i was thinking it was just gonna
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be me and dennis kind of like racing to build a pc instead it was dennis trying
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to build a pc at all
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oh jeez this video is actually fantastic
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also aj i know i'm just yanking your chain we uh we really mixed things up a
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little bit oh my um so we kind of went quick
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uh so i'm baking i'm baking a laptop cake
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that's kind of the idea behind it oh and these are all the things you want
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in a you know yeah okay and so the point that we're making is that we went really
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far with this just because you have the right ingredients doesn't mean that you actually make a delicious cake
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wow you might get a couple things wrong you know brutal
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so we've got the magic transition there isn't that being that beautiful
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alex actually went and had a custom cake made for this
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video dell xps 2018.
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and we're gonna leave it there okay i haven't seen that i need to see
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that that's pretty good uh we've got the wearable keyboard and mouse yes so it's
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a both a keyboard and a mouse and it just fits on your hand like that i think
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we're getting into and i think that's uh i think yep that's getting into the
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stuff that's already released now i think yep
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oh also kyle's on the platform yeah
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so he's got uh that probably went up on the embargo oh wow
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uh oh yeah okay i that's not fake no it's not
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that's real coolant it is that's a problem yep
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i've seen that so at some point we're gonna get this new button fixed so that
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you can tell the difference between stuff that's just everything's new everything is new everything ever
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uploaded is new everything is new it's a new website um new thumbnail but
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genuinely there are some new things over on flow planning new comment Floatplane.com
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someone new viewed it recently