oh boy it's a web show time yeah
we got this we got this there's uh that was my showtime a little while ago but
not a ton of news but there is some news oh there is definitely some news should
i miss something uh well you enthusiastic i am like
all upset about right to repair crap right now oh yes okay so there was there
okay here what what what what is that here uh apple iOS 11.3 updated and left
some repaired iphones i believe specifically third-party repaired
iphones with with no touch functionality when i first
read this i thought it meant like it wouldn't fingerprint you oh okay no the
screen no no much worse than that we're talking iphones that worked and were
bricked by software yeah uh california is the latest state to explore net
neutrality protection after the fcc repeal and google chat is set to rival
imessage and displace sms okay that i
really want to talk about too because you know alo
yeah yeah that whole team was like disbanded now and moved over to this
okay google just straight up cannot make their make up their mind
uh okay oh this i plan to talk about for a fair bit so oppo
oppo digital to be clear oppo digital not oppo is ceasing development of new
products and if you guys are thinking what aren't they like a gigantic phone
manufacturer oppo digital is not yeah
and this is important for a number of reasons so we're going to get into that
after the intro which will work maybe yeah
oh oh some people don't like your don't like your color
my color they're like it looks like an instagram filter
oh oops oh oh we have sponsors
that's me
what do you think okay so here's the problem it's hard to
tell because this is a gaming monitor
and whoever's watching might be on i don't know something else something
else but i i can tell you guys that looking
at it on my blade anyway um like i kind
of look like that in person maybe it's a little rich
maybe it's a little rich it's not that far off though like our
shirts are actually you know what it's it's not far off yeah um i mean part of
why we look weird might be that we are really popping out as colorful
against sort of a more like neutral set will this work
um i guess that would do that either way but there's a light like like i can
almost touch it yeah i do that and there's one on that side and i would almost be able to touch this one if my
arms were long because i wasn't a small human yeah like it's it's a very
different setup than normal oh i haven't even seen you this week no
i've been really not even once like what is going on i've barely slept this
week i went to bed at five in the morning last night
i skipped my stream on wednesday i'm skipping my stream tonight
this has been a rough rough week we'll make it though next week is looking good
yeah if i get if i get everything done this weekend next week is looking good
okay sweet so this is all Floatplane stuff yeah right okay all right yeah so
i had what i thought were some really good updates for you and then i think i
ended up crapping on you you did towards the second half that was great that was
a good little bump part way through the week yeah yeah
um so you know it's
okay there is a lot going well just we're not explaining any of this stuff
yeah i really talked about most of it which isn't very helpful yeah which is unfortunate we're we're still
progressing uh things are going well the there's the
paypal option on the new site should be ready fairly soon there's been a lot of
minor fixes that have come out there was one that a lot of people were complaining about which took us a little
while to kind of figure out but the resolution selection was not showing up
for a whole people with ad block yeah
it shouldn't matter there's no ads on flow plane it shouldn't matter but for
some reason that was a thing so uh we ended up fixing that which was which was
nice well that's i don't think that was to be clear that wasn't something we were doing intentionally no it was just
it was something to do with the element that is our resolution control
thing looked like a third-party thing being
loaded or something like that yeah so that that's now been fixed so that's
good yeah so then there's been other like there's
been a lot of improvement things my like personal week like doing the stuff that
i do was just rough the platform is doing great because my like stuff was
has been and when paypal rolls around by by the time
by this time next week by WAN Show next week i think we'll have a new creator to
announce yeah um maybe two depending on
whether one of them who i'm just gonna say it who is a little bit lazy
one of them who's a little bit lazy depending on whether that one gets back
to me with some paperwork uh whatever i i i would tell that person to
their face yeah are you asking yeah dog
he knows what's up hey hey look look i wouldn't say
everyone's gonna know i wouldn't say anything about anyone on WAN Show
that i wouldn't say to their face because i know that watching land show
if they weren't too lazy it was pretty straightforward
i'm not lazy i don't think anyone's got he's probably just got lots of other
important things as well look i've i've heard it from this person's manager
i've heard it from this person directly and i have made i have made my own
observations about because okay i like this person very much me too
disparaging very it's not disparaging disparaging has to be untrue okay okay
very talented creator could probably be much bigger
if the sleeves got rolled up a little more often wow
wow that's a compliment that's a compliment kind of
it's a backhanded compliment it's a it's a pat on the back with a spiked glove
it's a subset of compliments can we agree on that
all right oh my goodness um well then all right uh we've got a lot
of great topics for you guys today i want to hide behind the intro
i'm coming back i'm coming back i got this oh man um okay why don't why
don't we jump right into one of our bigger topics of the week so um this one
the original article here is from motherboard.vice.com
by the way go ahead and pop this up here sharing in the chat and bringing up on
screen and talking about stuff is difficult when you're gone thank you for
coming back oh yeah oh you're very welcome
there's a lot of stuff to do i was in china last week um that was a lot of fun
we had a lot of people ask us uh if we were planning a collab with strange
parts and no
we weren't planning a collab oh god okay uh yo you know what i guess i guess
i better just well but no sorry that one was an accident
the cable management on my mouse is a little tight here i was so excited and
you made me so sad for such a short period of time okay we were not planning
a collab but actually i had one of the best in-flight experiences i have ever
had on my way to china so i did a daytime flight for a change instead of a
red-eye so i was awake for the plane ride yeah and my wi-fi was
banging i was getting one megabyte per second
downloads for like long stretches of what was a
nine or ten hour flight or whatever it was yeah dawg it was nice to china from
here yes sir wow and they did warn me that there would be some
some kind of sketchy spots over russia and over china itself
but they actually were very short and speeds were just slower not bad okay
yeah so i was really impressed and so i got a lot of work done i actually got
something like 200 emails done while i was on that flight including several to
scotty cool so we actually synced up while i was on my way over there and we
ended up working out a plan for getting together and what we ended up doing was
exploring the uh sort of the electronics market in shenzhen yeah cause i saw your
tweet saying you were doing that with them so i when you said you you didn't
do a thing i was really confused about it i'm really excited no we we did get
together it's called uh bay hakwang bay
whatever okay my chinese is not great i made him say it in the video yeah yeah
it's just like he seems to be quite good um it's okay
it's my favorite thing is when he says something i'm like wow i'm impressed and
then the person like does a little like shuffle back slightly and then responds
in english and i'm like come on he tried so hard that sounded so good
ouch yeah so um so we got together and we
started out just kind of like poking around but what i realized was that
place is so vast and there is so much stuff in it that
it is like it's overwhelming yeah like it's
completely overwhelming like if you want laser pointers that can burn stuff you
can find that if you want what are apparently really cool microscopes i'm
not much of a microscope nerd but what are apparently like super cool
microscopes you can you can get that stuff uh i know lou from unbox therapy
ended up like going on a shopping spree ultimately but
i'm not much of a shopper i actually buy
very little stuff other than like yeah you too yeah oh i
thought you were j i thought you were gesturing something okay yeah like we're
both kind of cheap
so i'm not the kind of person who just like walks into a mall
and is like oh wow i need to buy all the things my mom bought me this shirt thank
you mom so what i realized is i needed an objective
okay so what i found out was that his editor is actually based in mexico
okay um and is running like a very very like
very run-of-the-mill and not current gen editing system
so i was like how about this let's see if we can build a system here
a video editing system for cheaper than if we just ordered it
off newegg.com okay so certain parts like graphics cards for
example mining by the way huge in hwashang bay i know i said it
wrong i'm sorry but whatever huge that huge in china in general so if we had
wanted mining stuff then there's lots of selection
but mining pricing and then the effect that mining has on pricing of components
like gpus is pretty much sort of what it is it's
like it's like people who travel expecting to get a deal on a gold
bracelet yeah it's like gold's a commodity
it costs what it costs and you can pay in whatever sort of
rupees or shekels or or
dong or whatever you can pay in whatever currency you want you're still
ultimately paying what you're paying um
so certain components like graphics cards there were not deals to be found
but then there are other things like i found this like 1600 watt power supply
that was like 80 bucks oh wow i didn't buy that one because i picked it up and
i was like oh wow it's far too light for what you're saying there is nothing in there
but but like cases you would think given that they're
probably manufactured up the road that cases would be pretty cheap
um so it turns out cases are actually
well okay the case is a cool part of the video
okay you're gonna enjoy that so anyway i was like okay let's build an editing
workstation for his editor and then halfway through he's like you know what
screw my editor i'm gonna give the system away to my
viewers so what i think what's actually gonna
happen is he's got a video of kind of his side of this whole interaction
and he filmed so stealthily i even asked him at the end i was like
did you film anything he's like oh yeah i filmed like most of it i'm like
wow because you know how he's always doing that stuff whereas he like puts his
camera on the counter and he's got the like
that guy is stealthy you're like tall white dude in china
um so so he's got his side and we've got our side and then he's going to be doing
a giveaway of the system that we built to one of his viewers because i don't
know i don't know if people know this in general but he's trying to go full-time
youtuber i didn't know that yeah like that has been his intent oh okay so what looked
like just sort of a weird side project was actually just a pretty focused
pretty smart dude making some super explosive videos to get his channel kick
started okay yeah yeah if you guys don't somehow know who we're talking about uh
it's scotty from strange parts you can check out the strange parts youtube
channel yeah so he's uh more likely to be recognized as the guy who built his
own iphone out of parts or the guy who sent
a iphone jack or a headphone jack to an iphone
all right people are gonna be like people are gonna be flipping their crap okay one
spoiler we end up with a ryzen system oh
cool cool yeah all right
so uh let's go back to what i was planning to talk about which is the new
iOS update that right right this this is what got me talking about him because he
his whole thing is like hacking phones apparently so anyway new
iOS iOS update killed touch functionality on iphone 8
motherboard.vice.com you guys got to be careful because that looks like iphone
8s that does that does quite directly look
like iphone 8 i know it is technically not grammatically correct but if you
throw an apostrophe in there people will know sort of inherently that you mean iphone
eights oh it's a comment that's not what they mean
wow yeah there is no iphone 8s yeah
i know so yeah if you if you put the apostrophe
in there like little pro tip it's incorrect but people will know what you
mean at least yeah or you can do iphone 8 phones or
something like that but i don't know if that's good for a seo but then they don't have that this is weird yes 8 ass
is sort of a bad idea anyway so what went down here was wrong
apple rolled out iOS 11.3 and if you've
if you've ever sort of looked into right to repair and apple's reputation around
this whole movement this probably won't surprise you that
much because they've been known to do things like
um not provide third-party repair shops with the with the tools that they need
in order to retain touch id functionality on iphones with replaced
home buttons and this was far more of an issue with a phone like the iphone 6s
which had a hardware touch button or excuse me a hardware
home button that was not solid state so they switched to the solid state button
with the seven which is much harder to break whereas those those clicky buttons
now that was a pretty common piece to end up damaged on the iphone leading up
to that time so so what would happen was people would take it into a third-party
repair shop and they would have a perfectly authentic button and a
perfectly authentic phone and they would put them together
but without apple's special sauce they wouldn't be able to
make it work even though that has nothing to do with
the secure enclave that actually holds the fingerprint information this was
just apple being restrictive because they can be restrictive
um so anyway the issue affected phones
that had their screens replaced with aftermarket displays i.e not repaired by
an apple authorized facility and it is believed to be because of an
incompatibility between a small chip that controls the screen and the
aftermarket displays um so it's possible this is an accident
it is possible that it is something apple did on purpose but either way john
is saying that our apostrophe thing is not incorrect it's an exception and you
can put it after a number if it's a single digit oh
well thank you john martin appreciate that okay so my confusion there though
would be if it was an iphone 10
yeah you would say iphone 10s yeah but in text
yeah but you would say so oh x because you said single digit oh right it's an x
yeah and that's still not a digit yeah
so in this case yeah our little thing works for grammatically correct hooray
the 10's gonna wreck everything go apple
um so i guess this whole this whole um
breaching the topic of broaching reaching broaching whatever uh on the
topic of right to repair um yes
i will have a response i don't know if you've been following this drama but we
did a video on how our imac pro is still broken
um and wow pretty much everyone and their
dog has made a response one of the news
articles about it on an apple sort of centric news site has a thousand
comments on it yeah wow like this went this went viral
and sort of a very general sentiment the general consensus depends
on who you ask if people are more of like if they're more in sort of the
techy uh pc diy crowd they're like wow this is
ridiculous yeah if they're in the um
not that crowd cupertino crowd ah let's
let's call it that if they're in the cupertino crowd then it's my fault for
not reading the terms and conditions that stipulate that apple doesn't have
to repair something that has been modified by a third party
so okay i i actually have a lot of notes made
for this video already we'll be addressing the vast majority of the
comments that people have made that's exciting we don't do that that often
articles that have been written well the actually we wouldn't be doing it except
that we still need to fix the freaking
imac pro so that's in progress we are working on
a solution that will allow us to get parts and fix it okay it's going to be a
weird solution and we're going to be talking about the hoops that we've had to jump through
in order to get there some of the hoops that were available that we chose not to
jump through whether because they were too expensive or too sketchy or whatever else the case
may be but this this saga is far from
over cool there is one thing that i absolutely want to address now
and tell you what i haven't screenshotted anything yet so if you're
one of the tool sheds out there who posted that this was the reason that
they denied the repair you can go back and edit your comment and you won't end
up in the video okay a shocking number of people
said that even though apple never said this and it's nowhere in the screenshots
and it's nowhere in the policy and it's certainly not in the video a number of
people have concluded that apple didn't repair it because the cost of the parts
i mean you guys totaled this thing the cost of the parts is so high that it's
more than just buying a new machine anyway so you should just buy a new machine what are you stupid
okay
even if all
of the parts that we listed in the video the display
the main board and the power supply even
if they're all dead which they may very well not be you can actually have a
component short out and
be protected by the onboard circuitry that does exist
in some cases if you get lucky you can actually have sparks fly off aboard and
have it live for years even if all of the components that we
think could possibly be dead are in fact dead
that is a 5 000 machine
you got to be drinking some pretty freaking amazing kool-aid to think that
a monitor a motherboard and a power supply are
worth five thousand dollars that's at least a three thousand dollar power
supply three thousand dollar power supply is that you get get get off my show don't even know here get off my
show you don't even work here
that's uh that's fair the CPU alone
is like five seven hundred dollars yeah the 32
gigs of ddr4 ecc RAM yeah that has a
value that's expensive the chassis remember this is an apple chassis it's a
special chassis that costs money the SSD
the dual ssds those are still good so people running
in going well i mean you broke this stuff total
write-off total write-off that that's why they wouldn't replace it the cost was too high and i had one i had one guy
being like that's like you know it's gonna be 300 of labor plus the cost of
these parts is more than the cost of the cyst pretty drunk
oh man like the amount of like the amount of
worship that goes on here
just boggles my mind it baffles me anyway there will be a video
i promise it will be epic and i don't know if i'm ready to promise
this yet but we are definitely working on flying mr lewis rossman out here
to help me put this thing back together okay
that would be awesome so i have nothing else to say about it until the video
comes out but it's gonna be fun
we're gonna have some fun we're gonna we're gonna really cool you know i don't drink but we'll we'll we'll figuratively
pop some brewskis and fix an imac pro and talk about how that's going and it's
going to be a good thing it's going to be a good thing i'll drink them for you
uh yes taran would be happy to drink briskies for me oh my god that that have
you already started turn that that bullet
it's all good all right um
speaking of drinking hey by the way what time do we start tomorrow ten o'clock
okay i told you i'm just making sure i ordered food for you because you
didn't order it i've been very busy
thank you speaking of drinking we actually have a deeper relationship that
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leading us finally
nope i'm not going to change it i'm just going to leave freshbooks up there and
then we're going to eat some savage jerky okay and then i'm going to change
i'm going to leave that savage jerky one on for a bit i'm just i'm going to have
a time delay it's like rooting through like a treasure chest i know right
they sent so much maple buffalo bacon and i'm so excited i'm gonna have some
but i'm gonna have some of the sriracha bacon first i spent lots of uh bacon
i'm in i meant no i'm not no i'm not sharing that kind though it's for me
they sent it because they know i like it they didn't send it because they know you like it ed
maybe if they send even more next time i will consider sharing the maple muff
buffalo bacon
yeah actually yeah hold on i'm gonna put this over here
you know what i'm gonna put it right next to me
okay so it's not being hidden it's being put in like a high threat area that's
right you get close you're going to get swatted yo
no not that like
what do you think man
like you know like
i don't know we're on the platform that that is like popular on
savage jerky is made with high polishing pretty savage without nitrates or
preservatives their goal was to create a snack that's full of flavor and not bad
for you they've got 13 different flavors of jerky
some of the favorites are sriracha bacon this one's actually really good i don't know if i've tried this one before this
is really good um they're maple buffalo bacon uh
traditional uh moho mojo flavors are fantastic
um aside from jerky they make barbecue sauce hot sauce and a spice rub they're
carolina reaper hot sauce uses one of the hottest peppers in the world
the bell haha i think i made that joke before but whatever it's the carolina
reaper duh it's right in the name and you can use offer code LTT
to save 10 over at savage jerky.com
that one really good dang so you're out your bacon can i try
it yes
i've technically only claimed the maple buffalo bacon uh-huh
only one piece i might claim this in the future though really nice
all right so the original article here is from
ourstechnica.com but it would appear as though
california is the latest
in a number of states that are exploring net neutrality bills to protect net
neutrality in spite of what's going on
with the federal government
so basically they're attempting to restore net neutrality provisions that
are similar to the ones that were used by the fcc before their recent
repeal however in addition to prohibiting fast
lanes throttling blocking and paid prioritization they want to go a step
further to prohibit zero rating which is
when the use of a certain site such as netflix doesn't count against a user's
data cap now
i have mixed feelings about xero rating
it sounds cool like at first
uh the issue with it the big the big issue with it is say
one of these isps owns a service which is really common um
they could zero rate their own service so that you subscribe to them instead of
someone else so john's coming but in the meantime i want to present my
um he's deleted all his notes i i wanna i wanna okay i wanna present my sort of
dumb consumer who's very selfish
sort of point of view and go well i can see things about this that i would
really like because zero rating can be applied in
that way where someone like a comcast
might say that okay you know watching watching shows from comcast who owns
comcast again or who does comcast own or
nbc okay so you know nbc streams don't count against your data usage
but there are cases of zero rating where
they aren't implementing it on their own services like for example t-mobile
allows i think it's uh youtube streaming
doesn't count against your data plan well i mean google doesn't own t-mobile
and vice versa this is just a handshake deal which
again on the surface can look really good for consumers
because hey you can watch all the youtube you want if you're a t-mobile
theoretically that hurts like twitch and whatever else but
or some you know young upstart video streaming platform
hey that has higher bit rates and that
doesn't have a chance to talk to t-mobile about such an arrangement so
john's going to tag in for me and talk in a little bit more detail about oh
that was why you're here right yeah yeah no feel free to explain it in better
detail than one it was like the last bullet point though
okay so we're looking at we're looking at the california uh bill on
neutrality right so okay so um which way which bullet point
are we on because the last bullet point is here we've we've only gone through a few of them but we've talked about this
kind of thing on the show before so i think a lot of people kind of know okay essentially what's going on okay so um
so you talked about zero writing already right yep so okay so um right now the
bill is at um it got passed by like this little subcommittee or something in
their uh state house okay um so it still has to be uh passed by both chambers
signed into law and all that but um both chambers and the governor's mansion
are currently controlled by democrats who traditionally have been more friendly towards net neutrality so we'll
see what happens with it um right now isps are unsurprisingly
opposing the bill and they also might challenge it in court if it does indeed
become law um there are a number of legal arguments
they could use to try to get this scrapped and this is interesting not
only because california is such a huge state but since the fcc repeal a few
months ago um i think they've gone so far they've gone further than
any other states have and trying to have like a real sort of like comprehensive
net neutrality law right so
um what i put down here was they might argue um federal preemption or that the
bill unduly burdens what is federal preemption so that is when a federal law
and a state law come into conflict okay and there's a number of ways that can
happen obviously there are very clear cases where the federal law says one
thing and the state law says exactly the opposite so you don't need to be a
lawyer to understand that but there's also cases where it's a little bit more
subtle this being one of them so what happened when the fcc uh repealed
um the net neutrality protections a few months back
they they specifically said we need to return to light touch regulation of the
internet this is exactly what we're doing so
is it really actually preempting anything if and lions is just
going to reach over the desk here and steal some more sriracha bacon jerky i don't blame him that stuff is delicious
but uh but it's good yeah
okay anyway so um
what was i talking about federal freeze distracting you with this little like
bacon grab okay so we just right yeah okay so they're trying to the fcc is
saying they're trying to regulate the internet less give the isps a little
more leeway yeah but the question here then becomes is there does that mean the
federal government is intending to um in law they call it occupying the fields
does the federal government intend to regulate this area so heavily that the
states can't do anything about it but in their own order they said we're trying
to regulate this less heavily and scrap these net neutrality regulations so that
that would be a very interesting like battle in court yeah okay yeah so
they're saying like we we we don't want to regulate this as much but they're
aggressively not regulating and trying to make sure that no one else can either
well i don't know if they're consciously trying to do that but what i'm saying is like when when a big like isp takes the
state of california to court and says they can't do this they might try to
argue that the federal government has tried to occupy the field somehow it
might not be a great argument but i expect them to try it uh the other thing
they might argue is which they might be more successful with is saying the bill
unduly burdens interstate commerce which is which is a um which is a
constitutional argument but basically it's so weird i know right but
yeah so but the idea is that one state can't um can't meddle in the affairs of
how other states want to conduct commerce between them so okay uh so
like if you're if you're importing like let's use a simpler example let's say
you're importing a bunch of bacon jerky let's say the state of north carolina is
importing a bunch of bacon jerky um like from another state or from another
country from another state okay um so
there actually that would make sense because i think savage jerky is based
out of georgia so it will be a quick trip anyway so let's say they're reporting a
bunch of bacon jerky and they have regulations on bacon jerky is that bacon
jerky bacon turkey bacon jerky bacon jerky like how to summon Linus so anyway so
let's say there's regulations that the state of nc has on bacon jerky let's say
that they they can't have but so many preservatives they have to be at least
you know 95 b for whatever else right this is just a random made up example
yes it's a hypothetical this is not actually real probably shouldn't have very much beef in it
it's friday it's been a long week okay
so so um let's say they have one set of
regulations for bacon jerky produced in state and
another set for bacon jerky they're importing from georgia so that would be
that would be against the constitution you can't do that but if the same rules apply to everybody it will be okay this
is a little bit more complicated because i could see at t verizon comcast whoever
else walking into court and saying that even though the law because i actually
read the law a little bit and it applies to any isp that has customers in
california which makes sense but um they could argue something about oh the
internet is so decentralized and because of that this isn't like just importing a
product or whatever and this is placing an undue burden on interstate commerce
whether that would win i have no idea but i do expect a lengthy court battle
so okay so there you have it the internet
is not like fake and jerky well thank you john and this has been
the legal corner with john i guess happy weekend thanks john yep
man the states are weird yeah i know it's trippy i'll never fully
understand how old stuff works 52 or
like maybe but not 52 because there are also like territories or something and
then 50 50 states but then like what is what
are the ones that aren't yeah what are the ones that aren't states because there's puerto rico yeah guam puerto
rico what are those like called but they're and they're all kind of like
little countries except that they're one country sort of
um except when they like want to do things
that the the ones running the one country don't like then
or that they don't like and then i don't know they can like actually fight about
that whereas in most other countries it's just like no this is how it works
that's how it works it's interesting it's confusing for someone who's isn't
from there and didn't like grow up in the system
i think it's confusing for the people there too
google chat yeah the original article here is from
tom's guide wow so okay you had a comment that all
the the aloe team was dissolved and brought over here apparently yes um this
is not the first time this has happened do you think this is the last time
man i don't know what to tell you because
uh the article that i was reading about this
basically had like a timeline of the whole
experience of of google and
chat applications going all the way back to i think google talk was the first one
so to give people a little bit of background google chat is a newly
proposed thing from google is set to rival imessage and display sms which is
probably the exact same lines that we've had with previous chat applications from
google but they are taking a different approach this time so to be clear this
is not google talk turning into g chat turning into oh man was it then
integrated with hey uh with google plus and then turning into hangouts
and then aloe aloe and the other one in there was
there another one what was the other one they released like two i remember the
last time the most confusing thing was that they released two at basically the same time and they were only marginally
different yeah
aloe and like something else i've had a hard time keeping track of exactly
what's been going on and yet like i just i find the whole experience of of
both sms and chat on Android very frustrating because the feature sets are
are divergent in like little stupid ways so for example the messages team like
you know just the default vanilla stock Android i shouldn't say
vanilla because that might be in Android at some point like the stock Android messages app
um it's like so back afterwards in some
ways where like like it doesn't have cloud
backup and i'm gonna say here's going around youtube demonetization saying it
that way bass ackwards yeah i don't know probably um
so it's like it's so backwards it doesn't even have cloud backup which
just blows me away that that's not completely automatic when i switch from
one Android phone to another one all my sms messages are gone
but that team apparently still exists
because it must have i don't think it was that long ago that they looked at
how well a lot of people are busy using facebook messenger because sms is sort
of trashed by today's standards um and basically the only thing they're using
sms for is verification codes so when you get your notification from messages
it has marcus red which is like awesome
so you never have to touch it again you don't have to click through it to mark it as red you don't have to if you swipe
it away it doesn't stay unread awesome
it is pretty great hangouts doesn't have that gmail doesn't have that
and and pretty much i mean pretty much any app now is just
notification spam as far as i can tell and so the ability to mark a
notification as red when it comes in without actually opening the
notification very nice if i can the more i can do in
the notification tray the better because if i could just do everything i need to without even opening anything that's
fantastic so also the the app i was thinking of
was duo which was their video chat thing so they launched alo and duo at pretty
much the same time and they were both for communicating yeah
okay but this is not
this is not like um like a new app
that's just another hangouts or allo replacement or whatever the case may be
this is more of a back-end upgrade yeah
so they're calling it location services what is this yeah rich communication
services so unlike sms it'll support video
uh it'll have red receipts it'll support higher res images
and the mobile networks will have to opt in
but the idea is that
and you know that's a funny thing to me why do people even care about imessage
that much my message is great what are you talking about what's great about it i don't know
it just feels nice it goes quick you can tell what phone
they have which is cool i don't know every time i've had an
iphone i like that message right but did it really make a
difference to you one way or the other if the bubble was blue or green i mean
some sms sucks as you know how much better really is facebook chat
it's not it's not the only reason i use facebook chat is so my message is great
because it's fine but yeah but facebook chat has a built-in phone book i don't
that's what's useful about facebook chat yeah i don't have everyone on facebook
right but if you wanted to find someone that's the point of a phone book not an address i don't want to add facebook to
having access to all my stuff though you don't have to you just you just search
facebook for a person and they're like oh right that person and you contact
them like that's what i mean by a phone book not an address book
okay like like a directory so that's the only reason i give
any apps whatsoever about facebook you contact that way on facebook i don't
know like people that i like met at badminton once and like want to play
with again sometime but i didn't exchange phone numbers with them
wow but i remember their name because it'll come up automatically because
they'll be friends with a bunch of other badminton people okay so it'll know like
if i'm searching for andy it'll be like oh yeah probably this andy
even though you don't have them in your contacts i've never used that yeah okay
it's like super useful or like if there was someone that you don't go outside so
you ran into at a lan party or something it might know
aren't cool anymore i know i wish they were i would love that so it might know
from their association with other gamers that that's the you know tom smith that
you were most likely to be looking for so it's just it's it's that's why i use
that that's the only reason i care about that i message other than animojis which
is a completely artificial lockdown thank you apple there's no reason why
you couldn't send an emojis as a video clip in hangouts for example other than
that they just don't want you to um i don't really get it
what's so amazing about it maybe people are telling me in twitch chat but there's really there's really there
isn't much else though group messages on imessage and whatsapp are much better
than sms okay that's fine but whatsapp has that and you can do that on facebook
messenger um imessages end-to-end encrypted sms is open to snooping image
is much less creepy okay facebook so if you care about that then you can be
using a third-party messaging service
in general because imessage is just automatically turned on and turned off
depending on who the what kind of phone the other person has so it's like
it's it's like only like sometimes running your vpn when you talk to like
some people so i don't really get that either why don't you use discord that we're
talking about privacy stuff on my computer um okay yes integration with the desktop
experience is a good one um
facebook messenger same thing whatsapp same thing uh hangout same thing
people are like it just works it kind of does though yeah it kind of
does but like and i know it's a funny tagline but it kind of does just sort of work
it just sort of works the way you would expect sms too but it doesn't
okay i mean so then in a nutshell
chat is like a back-end upgrade to sms
that other messaging apps this is cool like samsung's messaging app will
support google actually has a fair number of
partners signed and signed on for this thing so
like i mean i guess i'm excited and that's cool
but i just um yeah i guess that's cool
i don't know i just i don't feel like imessage needed to be something that
had to be competed with but apparently it does i do and i guess maybe what i'm
forgetting is that a lot of people like when i message my
mom she doesn't have whatsapp or facebook messenger even or
anything like to her text messages text message
and so if this upgrades the text message experience that normies are probably
just using by default because they don't know anything else then i guess that's
good but even then we're still not going to have perfect coverage because we're
going to be relying on iOS to Android and vice versa
to kind of translate to each other but maybe apple and google will find a way to cooperate on that i'm not sure i
haven't looked into it carefully enough to know if that's oh no yeah right right here in tom's
article uh there's no clue as to whether or not apple will support chat
so there you go it's apparently less secure than apple's own service so it
might be unlikely see that i i don't know it seems pretty
secure it does everything you really need it to do and it works all the time
and it feels smooth and nice i don't know i like the imessage
it was one of the saddest things about leaving an iphone was i was like oh
i have to go back to like this weird junk it's just so weird because like
when lou did that video at ces where he asked a bunch of creators what phone
they're actually using uh a couple people i think
maybe it was just one i don't know at least one person brought up my message
and like all my friends are on imessage
and so i asked off camera i was like why does that matter what i mean yeah i'm
not sure yeah i'm like okay i didn't use it enough to actually know because i
didn't have an iphone for videos is this just really excellent branding
because even at a tech content creator and i'm not gonna name who they were but
a tech content creator tech tuber didn't know why he cared about imessage
it's just my my whole thing was it was very smooth it's i like the idea of text
messages i like the idea of default apps i've always liked the idea of default
apps i like default experiences i like a pixel because it is stock Android i
would love to use the stock Android sms thing but it's garbo i still have to use
it kind of because like my upstairs neighbors
bless their wonderful souls use old school text messages um
and it's kind of jank for that um and there are a
few other people in my life that i have to use that for i use
facebook messenger for a lot of my stuff but that sucks not only is it like
scraping everything it uses an really
odd amount of battery life it's terrible in a lot of other ways got people saying
that it's a status symbol yes
okay that's not why i like it but some people do see it that way if you pop up
in the imessage with the like i have an iphone color
it's like a positive thing i didn't even remember which one it was i use it for a
very short period of time i did know that i really liked my imessage
experience i texted more people when i was on an
iphone because i had imessage and i texted less people when i was on
an Android because i didn't have imessage because the stock texting thing
sucks so bad i used to have something called go sms pro
like a long time ago when texting was still really popular because the default
Android messaging thing was so garbage um that i got go sms pro but then
something happened there i don't know what it was and they were bad i think i
just hate everyone who has these problems because they clearly have social lives and i don't
you know what you're the one that wants you're the one that needs the like
those people the address book no what no in in freaking
messenger well i didn't say that because often so many people i didn't say it was
so many you need to look them up i can prove to you that it's like three ever
actually
well i'm at zero okay so
you're winning by a lot speaking of xero
uh that's how many new products will be developed by oppo digital so this was
posted on the forum by uh someone nick
the majin nick the major man whatever that is
very sad day oppo and this is uh nick's editorial uh
oppo made the best video players on the market with superb build quality and
fantastic customer support guess the market just wasn't there for
the higher end product i love my udp 203 and hate to think that my next player
will have to be made of cheap plastic from the likes of sony or samsung so for
those of you not familiar oppo was a brand that i already couldn't
understand why they existed back in like
2012 2011.
um so this is when i was a product manager back at ncix and one of my
fellow product managers was gonna bring in these uh high-end dvd
players and blu-ray players um with the argument being that they had sort of
fancy upscaling technology and and stuff
and um they were they were very expensive and i kind of went are you are
you effing kidding me like db like high-end dvd players that's
that's kind of like that's kind of like trying to sell premium cassette tapes as
far as i'm concerned for which i'm sure there's a market but oh they're totally
in the um okay let me come up with something better retro wave how about like
i think it's called retro how about like stylish dad sandals
like okay i would you know
okay um
i'm working on this okay so there's a niche for almost
anything but not for this apparently anymore synth
wave or new retro wave they like cassette tapes
okay so we've gotten past the point where
anyone or at least enough people to sustain this company care enough about fancy
upscaling features and better build quality on their physical media players
now i do still buy blu-rays
periodically because it is
it does look a lot better than streaming
but man is blu-ray ever going to get replaced
like will there be a successor or are we just done i think we're done
huh
i mean it's at the point now where it's just people have kind of voted with
their vault well it's they they want cheaper they don't want higher quality
and it's gotten to the point where i think the cheaper option is so much
cheaper that
a lot of people don't think it's worth it so they're still going to be providing support and doing updates but
i mean and at the same time to be fair like a
high-end blu-ray player i think is a little bit harder to explain the value
of like a lot of people are going to go with like their playstation yeah or
whatever else xbox one s yeah exactly that's what i'm
saying playstation doesn't oh no blu-ray player in the ps4 pro right brilliant
yeah um but like yeah they i i feel like they would go
with what how did that hold on i might be i might
have that wrong yeah i played a blu-ray in a ps4 pro like
not even a pro hold on i might have that wrong what is the stupid thing ultra hd
sorry that was the stupid thing that i that it didn't have xbox one s
has support for 4k blu-ray the ps4 pro doesn't i was like wait a minute no no
the ps3 had blu-ray yeah sorry that's pretty confused for you
but uh yeah i think people use an existing device or they would rather go
buy something that can do a bunch of other stuff and play blu-rays
instead of something that just plays blu-rays speaking of other things dead
Intel's smart glasses group gone
the glasses they were working on called vond looked kind of like normal glasses and
used a low-powered laser beam to beam images into the eye
so either Intel is giving up on ar for a while or they figured they were never
going to get laser beams into your eye past the regulatory bodies that pay
attention to that sort of thing which i think honestly both of those options are
totally valid
because i think uh how is this not a much more major topic well we're talking
about this okay uh GeForce partner program
is um well we kind of talked about it a little bit last week but it looks like
it's official ASUS has announced the original
article here's from hot hardware you weren't here last week uh week before
i don't know okay areas aries there is
video cards no i i read the article where it was rumored and i talked about
it on WAN Show at some point oh okay but this is it it's official
rog is out for ASUS's high-end gaming
products that feature AMD
processors so this is aries which is a play on ASUS's aries with an s not a zed
high-end like dual GPU AMD Radeon cards
that were like a limited edition uh similar to their mars ones for NVIDIA
um so just a summary for those of you who aren't familiar
the program rewards partners with perks including marketing funds special
promotions and extra engineering support and ASUS has not gone on the record
saying it joined the program but with the release of ares
it is fairly clear that republic of gamers will only be used on GeForce
cards and other products containing an NVIDIA
uh processor duh duh
intense have you seen this
i have no idea what this is uh yeah it's lame it's just stupid marketing chunk
um so yeah speaking of stupid marketing junk um that's it for the wine show yeah
the marketing junk show no
there's more to it than that i ate jerky for half of this show yeah i was gonna
say we we eat stuff they don't pay extra for that though and drink some water it's just
yummy yup cool
so we'll see you again next week same bad time same bat channel bye
i don't know what it is but like i didn't even check the time but it's been like exactly an hour
and it's just something about the rancho that takes exactly an hour
i think part of it honestly is james has written so many dogs now no
this was uh john helped me oh yeah
forgot Floatplane dang it no come back we're no we're
going back yeah going back coming back it's like a after party but not after
it's like a post party but not i'm gonna i'm gonna
say that we didn't because we technically talked
about at the beginning of the show but we didn't highlight the cool things that are on it so we also did
here we go oh hang it i would probably yep just a sec
there we go hey we're still here
i don't know we didn't stop and start right like we're just still going nice
my fingers are really jerky though oh i'm not making it much
better by licking them and then wiping them on my pants but
um yeah
yes aj you completely saved the day good job
all right let's see if i also i noticed that you logged on to uh
battlegrounds at uh 2 58 local time
so we're gonna need to talk on monday
but thank you for saving the day i appreciate it
okay then uh screen sharing with Linus
let's go ahead and put that there so what do we have up there
oh this is a um Techquickie that is actually a very
unusual looking thumbnail for a Techquickie video
interesting that's an unusual looking host for a Techquickie video actually john's done a lot of the hosting on
techwiki lately and uh the reception's been really good
let's go ahead and go back see how that i see how snappy that site
is in that beautiful hey here's our hiring video in case Colton gets fired
you can't really tell but he's like cowering it's great yeah yeah it's
pretty wonderful uh this went up simultaneously because
there was an embargo super no one cared hey about ryzen 2 really yeah it was
like it was not only not like a big momentum spike for the channel but it
was like devastating slow down oh yeah wow it
like crushed the channel um
this one is going to blow up on youtube faster internet for free in 30 seconds
and it works do you know about cloudflare's dns
yes yeah yeah yeah so we basically just show people how to change their dns to a
faster one okay no that's cool that's cool that's cool
that's cool um i might say
snappier well you know what you know you know
what um
i won't i won't destroy my principles but
i won't compromise my principles but i might
i might be flexible sometimes
technically you might be i don't think it's too brutal i don't
think this is far off yeah i think it's fine uh self-driving car levels explain
that's another fast as possible that's cool it's really cool because a lot of
people don't realize that there's i think six levels something like that six
levels like level four is not actually the end yeah um so that's pretty cool
the thinkpad x1 carbon review is up oh i don't know i don't know how much
Intel is going to like this video xeon w
is basically that's fun core i9 with ecc and by the
way here's pay another 700 please
um but it's it's still worth watching the video we go into it in more detail
this video ended up being like pretty brutal i was thinking it was just gonna
be me and dennis kind of like racing to build a pc instead it was dennis trying
to build a pc at all
oh jeez this video is actually fantastic
also aj i know i'm just yanking your chain we uh we really mixed things up a
little bit oh my um so we kind of went quick
uh so i'm baking i'm baking a laptop cake
that's kind of the idea behind it oh and these are all the things you want
in a you know yeah okay and so the point that we're making is that we went really
far with this just because you have the right ingredients doesn't mean that you actually make a delicious cake
wow you might get a couple things wrong you know brutal
so we've got the magic transition there isn't that being that beautiful
alex actually went and had a custom cake made for this
video dell xps 2018.
and we're gonna leave it there okay i haven't seen that i need to see
that that's pretty good uh we've got the wearable keyboard and mouse yes so it's
a both a keyboard and a mouse and it just fits on your hand like that i think
we're getting into and i think that's uh i think yep that's getting into the
stuff that's already released now i think yep
oh also kyle's on the platform yeah
so he's got uh that probably went up on the embargo oh wow
uh oh yeah okay i that's not fake no it's not
that's real coolant it is that's a problem yep
i've seen that so at some point we're gonna get this new button fixed so that
you can tell the difference between stuff that's just everything's new everything is new everything ever
uploaded is new everything is new it's a new website um new thumbnail but
genuinely there are some new things over on flow planning new comment Floatplane.com
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