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oh boy it's a web show time yeah

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we got this we got this there's uh that was my showtime a little while ago but

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not a ton of news but there is some news oh there is definitely some news should

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i miss something uh well you enthusiastic i am like

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all upset about right to repair crap right now oh yes okay so there was there

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okay here what what what what is that here uh apple iOS 11.3 updated and left

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some repaired iphones i believe specifically third-party repaired

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iphones with with no touch functionality when i first

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read this i thought it meant like it wouldn't fingerprint you oh okay no the

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screen no no much worse than that we're talking iphones that worked and were

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bricked by software yeah uh california is the latest state to explore net

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neutrality protection after the fcc repeal and google chat is set to rival

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imessage and displace sms okay that i

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really want to talk about too because you know alo

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yeah yeah that whole team was like disbanded now and moved over to this

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okay google just straight up cannot make their make up their mind

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uh okay oh this i plan to talk about for a fair bit so oppo

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oppo digital to be clear oppo digital not oppo is ceasing development of new

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products and if you guys are thinking what aren't they like a gigantic phone

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manufacturer oppo digital is not yeah

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and this is important for a number of reasons so we're going to get into that

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after the intro which will work maybe yeah

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oh oh some people don't like your don't like your color

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my color they're like it looks like an instagram filter

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oh oops oh oh we have sponsors

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that's me

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what do you think okay so here's the problem it's hard to

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tell because this is a gaming monitor

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and whoever's watching might be on i don't know something else something

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else but i i can tell you guys that looking

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at it on my blade anyway um like i kind

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of look like that in person maybe it's a little rich

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maybe it's a little rich it's not that far off though like our

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shirts are actually you know what it's it's not far off yeah um i mean part of

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why we look weird might be that we are really popping out as colorful

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against sort of a more like neutral set will this work

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um i guess that would do that either way but there's a light like like i can

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almost touch it yeah i do that and there's one on that side and i would almost be able to touch this one if my

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arms were long because i wasn't a small human yeah like it's it's a very

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different setup than normal oh i haven't even seen you this week no

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i've been really not even once like what is going on i've barely slept this

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week i went to bed at five in the morning last night

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i skipped my stream on wednesday i'm skipping my stream tonight

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this has been a rough rough week we'll make it though next week is looking good

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yeah if i get if i get everything done this weekend next week is looking good

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okay sweet so this is all Floatplane stuff yeah right okay all right yeah so

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i had what i thought were some really good updates for you and then i think i

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ended up crapping on you you did towards the second half that was great that was

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a good little bump part way through the week yeah yeah

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um so you know it's

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okay there is a lot going well just we're not explaining any of this stuff

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yeah i really talked about most of it which isn't very helpful yeah which is unfortunate we're we're still

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progressing uh things are going well the there's the

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paypal option on the new site should be ready fairly soon there's been a lot of

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minor fixes that have come out there was one that a lot of people were complaining about which took us a little

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while to kind of figure out but the resolution selection was not showing up

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for a whole people with ad block yeah

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it shouldn't matter there's no ads on flow plane it shouldn't matter but for

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some reason that was a thing so uh we ended up fixing that which was which was

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nice well that's i don't think that was to be clear that wasn't something we were doing intentionally no it was just

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it was something to do with the element that is our resolution control

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thing looked like a third-party thing being

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loaded or something like that yeah so that that's now been fixed so that's

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good yeah so then there's been other like there's

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been a lot of improvement things my like personal week like doing the stuff that

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i do was just rough the platform is doing great because my like stuff was

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has been and when paypal rolls around by by the time

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by this time next week by WAN Show next week i think we'll have a new creator to

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announce yeah um maybe two depending on

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whether one of them who i'm just gonna say it who is a little bit lazy

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one of them who's a little bit lazy depending on whether that one gets back

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to me with some paperwork uh whatever i i i would tell that person to

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their face yeah are you asking yeah dog

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he knows what's up hey hey look look i wouldn't say

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everyone's gonna know i wouldn't say anything about anyone on WAN Show

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that i wouldn't say to their face because i know that watching land show

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if they weren't too lazy it was pretty straightforward

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i'm not lazy i don't think anyone's got he's probably just got lots of other

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important things as well look i've i've heard it from this person's manager

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i've heard it from this person directly and i have made i have made my own

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observations about because okay i like this person very much me too

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disparaging very it's not disparaging disparaging has to be untrue okay okay

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very talented creator could probably be much bigger

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if the sleeves got rolled up a little more often wow

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wow that's a compliment that's a compliment kind of

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it's a backhanded compliment it's a it's a pat on the back with a spiked glove

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it's a subset of compliments can we agree on that

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all right oh my goodness um well then all right uh we've got a lot

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of great topics for you guys today i want to hide behind the intro

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i'm coming back i'm coming back i got this oh man um okay why don't why

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don't we jump right into one of our bigger topics of the week so um this one

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the original article here is from motherboard.vice.com

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by the way go ahead and pop this up here sharing in the chat and bringing up on

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screen and talking about stuff is difficult when you're gone thank you for

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coming back oh yeah oh you're very welcome

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there's a lot of stuff to do i was in china last week um that was a lot of fun

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we had a lot of people ask us uh if we were planning a collab with strange

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parts and no

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we weren't planning a collab oh god okay uh yo you know what i guess i guess

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i better just well but no sorry that one was an accident

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the cable management on my mouse is a little tight here i was so excited and

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you made me so sad for such a short period of time okay we were not planning

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a collab but actually i had one of the best in-flight experiences i have ever

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had on my way to china so i did a daytime flight for a change instead of a

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red-eye so i was awake for the plane ride yeah and my wi-fi was

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banging i was getting one megabyte per second

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downloads for like long stretches of what was a

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nine or ten hour flight or whatever it was yeah dawg it was nice to china from

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here yes sir wow and they did warn me that there would be some

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some kind of sketchy spots over russia and over china itself

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but they actually were very short and speeds were just slower not bad okay

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yeah so i was really impressed and so i got a lot of work done i actually got

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something like 200 emails done while i was on that flight including several to

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scotty cool so we actually synced up while i was on my way over there and we

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ended up working out a plan for getting together and what we ended up doing was

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exploring the uh sort of the electronics market in shenzhen yeah cause i saw your

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tweet saying you were doing that with them so i when you said you you didn't

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do a thing i was really confused about it i'm really excited no we we did get

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together it's called uh bay hakwang bay

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whatever okay my chinese is not great i made him say it in the video yeah yeah

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it's just like he seems to be quite good um it's okay

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it's my favorite thing is when he says something i'm like wow i'm impressed and

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then the person like does a little like shuffle back slightly and then responds

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in english and i'm like come on he tried so hard that sounded so good

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ouch yeah so um so we got together and we

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started out just kind of like poking around but what i realized was that

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place is so vast and there is so much stuff in it that

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it is like it's overwhelming yeah like it's

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completely overwhelming like if you want laser pointers that can burn stuff you

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can find that if you want what are apparently really cool microscopes i'm

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not much of a microscope nerd but what are apparently like super cool

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microscopes you can you can get that stuff uh i know lou from unbox therapy

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ended up like going on a shopping spree ultimately but

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i'm not much of a shopper i actually buy

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very little stuff other than like yeah you too yeah oh i

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thought you were j i thought you were gesturing something okay yeah like we're

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both kind of cheap

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so i'm not the kind of person who just like walks into a mall

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and is like oh wow i need to buy all the things my mom bought me this shirt thank

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you mom so what i realized is i needed an objective

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okay so what i found out was that his editor is actually based in mexico

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okay um and is running like a very very like

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very run-of-the-mill and not current gen editing system

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so i was like how about this let's see if we can build a system here

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a video editing system for cheaper than if we just ordered it

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off newegg.com okay so certain parts like graphics cards for

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example mining by the way huge in hwashang bay i know i said it

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wrong i'm sorry but whatever huge that huge in china in general so if we had

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wanted mining stuff then there's lots of selection

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but mining pricing and then the effect that mining has on pricing of components

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like gpus is pretty much sort of what it is it's

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like it's like people who travel expecting to get a deal on a gold

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bracelet yeah it's like gold's a commodity

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it costs what it costs and you can pay in whatever sort of

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rupees or shekels or or

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dong or whatever you can pay in whatever currency you want you're still

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ultimately paying what you're paying um

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so certain components like graphics cards there were not deals to be found

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but then there are other things like i found this like 1600 watt power supply

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that was like 80 bucks oh wow i didn't buy that one because i picked it up and

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i was like oh wow it's far too light for what you're saying there is nothing in there

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but but like cases you would think given that they're

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probably manufactured up the road that cases would be pretty cheap

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um so it turns out cases are actually

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well okay the case is a cool part of the video

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okay you're gonna enjoy that so anyway i was like okay let's build an editing

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workstation for his editor and then halfway through he's like you know what

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screw my editor i'm gonna give the system away to my

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viewers so what i think what's actually gonna

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happen is he's got a video of kind of his side of this whole interaction

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and he filmed so stealthily i even asked him at the end i was like

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did you film anything he's like oh yeah i filmed like most of it i'm like

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wow because you know how he's always doing that stuff whereas he like puts his

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camera on the counter and he's got the like

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that guy is stealthy you're like tall white dude in china

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um so so he's got his side and we've got our side and then he's going to be doing

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a giveaway of the system that we built to one of his viewers because i don't

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know i don't know if people know this in general but he's trying to go full-time

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youtuber i didn't know that yeah like that has been his intent oh okay so what looked

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like just sort of a weird side project was actually just a pretty focused

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pretty smart dude making some super explosive videos to get his channel kick

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started okay yeah yeah if you guys don't somehow know who we're talking about uh

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it's scotty from strange parts you can check out the strange parts youtube

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channel yeah so he's uh more likely to be recognized as the guy who built his

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own iphone out of parts or the guy who sent

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a iphone jack or a headphone jack to an iphone

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all right people are gonna be like people are gonna be flipping their crap okay one

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spoiler we end up with a ryzen system oh

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cool cool yeah all right

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so uh let's go back to what i was planning to talk about which is the new

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iOS update that right right this this is what got me talking about him because he

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his whole thing is like hacking phones apparently so anyway new

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iOS iOS update killed touch functionality on iphone 8

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motherboard.vice.com you guys got to be careful because that looks like iphone

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8s that does that does quite directly look

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like iphone 8 i know it is technically not grammatically correct but if you

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throw an apostrophe in there people will know sort of inherently that you mean iphone

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eights oh it's a comment that's not what they mean

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wow yeah there is no iphone 8s yeah

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i know so yeah if you if you put the apostrophe

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in there like little pro tip it's incorrect but people will know what you

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mean at least yeah or you can do iphone 8 phones or

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something like that but i don't know if that's good for a seo but then they don't have that this is weird yes 8 ass

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is sort of a bad idea anyway so what went down here was wrong

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apple rolled out iOS 11.3 and if you've

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if you've ever sort of looked into right to repair and apple's reputation around

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this whole movement this probably won't surprise you that

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much because they've been known to do things like

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um not provide third-party repair shops with the with the tools that they need

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in order to retain touch id functionality on iphones with replaced

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home buttons and this was far more of an issue with a phone like the iphone 6s

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which had a hardware touch button or excuse me a hardware

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home button that was not solid state so they switched to the solid state button

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with the seven which is much harder to break whereas those those clicky buttons

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now that was a pretty common piece to end up damaged on the iphone leading up

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to that time so so what would happen was people would take it into a third-party

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repair shop and they would have a perfectly authentic button and a

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perfectly authentic phone and they would put them together

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but without apple's special sauce they wouldn't be able to

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make it work even though that has nothing to do with

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the secure enclave that actually holds the fingerprint information this was

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just apple being restrictive because they can be restrictive

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um so anyway the issue affected phones

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that had their screens replaced with aftermarket displays i.e not repaired by

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an apple authorized facility and it is believed to be because of an

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incompatibility between a small chip that controls the screen and the

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aftermarket displays um so it's possible this is an accident

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it is possible that it is something apple did on purpose but either way john

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is saying that our apostrophe thing is not incorrect it's an exception and you

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can put it after a number if it's a single digit oh

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well thank you john martin appreciate that okay so my confusion there though

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would be if it was an iphone 10

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yeah you would say iphone 10s yeah but in text

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yeah but you would say so oh x because you said single digit oh right it's an x

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yeah and that's still not a digit yeah

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so in this case yeah our little thing works for grammatically correct hooray

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the 10's gonna wreck everything go apple

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um so i guess this whole this whole um

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breaching the topic of broaching reaching broaching whatever uh on the

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topic of right to repair um yes

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i will have a response i don't know if you've been following this drama but we

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did a video on how our imac pro is still broken

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um and wow pretty much everyone and their

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dog has made a response one of the news

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articles about it on an apple sort of centric news site has a thousand

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comments on it yeah wow like this went this went viral

00:18:17.520 --> 00:18:24.559
and sort of a very general sentiment the general consensus depends

00:18:21.600 --> 00:18:27.600
on who you ask if people are more of like if they're more in sort of the

00:18:26.640 --> 00:18:36.320
techy uh pc diy crowd they're like wow this is

00:18:31.520 --> 00:18:36.320
ridiculous yeah if they're in the um

00:18:39.840 --> 00:18:44.000
not that crowd cupertino crowd ah let's

00:18:42.960 --> 00:18:49.120
let's call it that if they're in the cupertino crowd then it's my fault for

00:18:47.200 --> 00:18:52.880
not reading the terms and conditions that stipulate that apple doesn't have

00:18:51.600 --> 00:18:56.799
to repair something that has been modified by a third party

00:18:56.080 --> 00:19:02.320
so okay i i actually have a lot of notes made

00:19:00.720 --> 00:19:07.120
for this video already we'll be addressing the vast majority of the

00:19:05.039 --> 00:19:10.559
comments that people have made that's exciting we don't do that that often

00:19:08.320 --> 00:19:15.360
articles that have been written well the actually we wouldn't be doing it except

00:19:12.799 --> 00:19:18.080
that we still need to fix the freaking

00:19:16.640 --> 00:19:23.360
imac pro so that's in progress we are working on

00:19:20.799 --> 00:19:28.240
a solution that will allow us to get parts and fix it okay it's going to be a

00:19:26.559 --> 00:19:32.799
weird solution and we're going to be talking about the hoops that we've had to jump through

00:19:31.200 --> 00:19:35.600
in order to get there some of the hoops that were available that we chose not to

00:19:34.559 --> 00:19:41.919
jump through whether because they were too expensive or too sketchy or whatever else the case

00:19:38.880 --> 00:19:44.480
may be but this this saga is far from

00:19:41.919 --> 00:19:49.840
over cool there is one thing that i absolutely want to address now

00:19:48.080 --> 00:19:54.320
and tell you what i haven't screenshotted anything yet so if you're

00:19:52.080 --> 00:19:57.919
one of the tool sheds out there who posted that this was the reason that

00:19:56.240 --> 00:20:02.160
they denied the repair you can go back and edit your comment and you won't end

00:19:59.679 --> 00:20:06.720
up in the video okay a shocking number of people

00:20:04.559 --> 00:20:11.360
said that even though apple never said this and it's nowhere in the screenshots

00:20:09.280 --> 00:20:16.320
and it's nowhere in the policy and it's certainly not in the video a number of

00:20:13.600 --> 00:20:21.520
people have concluded that apple didn't repair it because the cost of the parts

00:20:19.280 --> 00:20:25.360
i mean you guys totaled this thing the cost of the parts is so high that it's

00:20:24.000 --> 00:20:33.159
more than just buying a new machine anyway so you should just buy a new machine what are you stupid

00:20:30.159 --> 00:20:33.159
okay

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even if all

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of the parts that we listed in the video the display

00:20:42.960 --> 00:20:48.880
the main board and the power supply even

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if they're all dead which they may very well not be you can actually have a

00:20:50.559 --> 00:20:55.600
component short out and

00:20:53.600 --> 00:21:00.400
be protected by the onboard circuitry that does exist

00:20:57.600 --> 00:21:04.480
in some cases if you get lucky you can actually have sparks fly off aboard and

00:21:02.000 --> 00:21:09.760
have it live for years even if all of the components that we

00:21:07.120 --> 00:21:13.760
think could possibly be dead are in fact dead

00:21:12.080 --> 00:21:18.159
that is a 5 000 machine

00:21:15.760 --> 00:21:22.720
you got to be drinking some pretty freaking amazing kool-aid to think that

00:21:20.720 --> 00:21:28.159
a monitor a motherboard and a power supply are

00:21:25.600 --> 00:21:30.799
worth five thousand dollars that's at least a three thousand dollar power

00:21:29.440 --> 00:21:36.480
supply three thousand dollar power supply is that you get get get off my show don't even know here get off my

00:21:33.520 --> 00:21:36.480
show you don't even work here

00:21:37.280 --> 00:21:43.440
that's uh that's fair the CPU alone

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is like five seven hundred dollars yeah the 32

00:21:46.480 --> 00:21:51.760
gigs of ddr4 ecc RAM yeah that has a

00:21:49.600 --> 00:21:57.520
value that's expensive the chassis remember this is an apple chassis it's a

00:21:53.679 --> 00:21:59.440
special chassis that costs money the SSD

00:21:57.520 --> 00:22:02.640
the dual ssds those are still good so people running

00:22:01.520 --> 00:22:07.360
in going well i mean you broke this stuff total

00:22:05.679 --> 00:22:11.840
write-off total write-off that that's why they wouldn't replace it the cost was too high and i had one i had one guy

00:22:10.559 --> 00:22:15.840
being like that's like you know it's gonna be 300 of labor plus the cost of

00:22:14.240 --> 00:22:18.720
these parts is more than the cost of the cyst pretty drunk

00:22:19.280 --> 00:22:23.840
oh man like the amount of like the amount of

00:22:22.400 --> 00:22:26.480
worship that goes on here

00:22:25.600 --> 00:22:31.840
just boggles my mind it baffles me anyway there will be a video

00:22:29.919 --> 00:22:35.679
i promise it will be epic and i don't know if i'm ready to promise

00:22:33.440 --> 00:22:40.720
this yet but we are definitely working on flying mr lewis rossman out here

00:22:38.640 --> 00:22:43.919
to help me put this thing back together okay

00:22:41.679 --> 00:22:48.000
that would be awesome so i have nothing else to say about it until the video

00:22:45.840 --> 00:22:51.280
comes out but it's gonna be fun

00:22:49.840 --> 00:22:57.760
we're gonna have some fun we're gonna we're gonna really cool you know i don't drink but we'll we'll we'll figuratively

00:22:54.799 --> 00:23:01.200
pop some brewskis and fix an imac pro and talk about how that's going and it's

00:23:00.080 --> 00:23:05.360
going to be a good thing it's going to be a good thing i'll drink them for you

00:23:03.120 --> 00:23:10.000
uh yes taran would be happy to drink briskies for me oh my god that that have

00:23:08.320 --> 00:23:12.320
you already started turn that that bullet

00:23:12.480 --> 00:23:19.520
it's all good all right um

00:23:17.200 --> 00:23:23.919
speaking of drinking hey by the way what time do we start tomorrow ten o'clock

00:23:21.440 --> 00:23:28.960
okay i told you i'm just making sure i ordered food for you because you

00:23:25.120 --> 00:23:30.799
didn't order it i've been very busy

00:23:28.960 --> 00:23:35.919
thank you speaking of drinking we actually have a deeper relationship that

00:23:33.840 --> 00:23:39.520
we're forming with madrina's coffee over the next little bit

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uh wait i don't know is this is this out there yet i don't know if uh Colton's

00:23:41.840 --> 00:23:46.880
gonna run down and yell at me if i if i say this

00:23:45.520 --> 00:23:50.480
i think i'm just gonna do it should i just do it i mean i don't work here

00:23:48.559 --> 00:23:53.600
anymore go ahead we are we're apparently gonna be doing

00:23:52.159 --> 00:24:00.640
our own blend oh that's cool yeah really yeah

00:23:57.679 --> 00:24:04.240
cool yeah how is that gonna work um there's a way don't worry okay yeah like

00:24:02.559 --> 00:24:09.360
it's actually less complicated than you might think i don't i know nothing about coffee

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nope i'm not going to change it i'm just going to leave freshbooks up there and

00:26:41.520 --> 00:26:48.240
then we're going to eat some savage jerky okay and then i'm going to change

00:26:46.640 --> 00:26:52.640
i'm going to leave that savage jerky one on for a bit i'm just i'm going to have

00:26:50.240 --> 00:26:57.840
a time delay it's like rooting through like a treasure chest i know right

00:26:55.760 --> 00:27:01.600
they sent so much maple buffalo bacon and i'm so excited i'm gonna have some

00:26:59.840 --> 00:27:07.120
but i'm gonna have some of the sriracha bacon first i spent lots of uh bacon

00:27:04.480 --> 00:27:10.960
i'm in i meant no i'm not no i'm not sharing that kind though it's for me

00:27:09.200 --> 00:27:16.240
they sent it because they know i like it they didn't send it because they know you like it ed

00:27:14.080 --> 00:27:21.440
maybe if they send even more next time i will consider sharing the maple muff

00:27:18.320 --> 00:27:23.520
buffalo bacon

00:27:21.440 --> 00:27:26.640
yeah actually yeah hold on i'm gonna put this over here

00:27:25.039 --> 00:27:30.480
you know what i'm gonna put it right next to me

00:27:28.880 --> 00:27:33.760
okay so it's not being hidden it's being put in like a high threat area that's

00:27:32.720 --> 00:27:37.360
right you get close you're going to get swatted yo

00:27:37.600 --> 00:27:44.240
no not that like

00:27:41.200 --> 00:27:45.120
what do you think man

00:27:44.240 --> 00:27:48.440
like you know like

00:27:48.960 --> 00:27:54.240
i don't know we're on the platform that that is like popular on

00:27:55.840 --> 00:28:03.120
savage jerky is made with high polishing pretty savage without nitrates or

00:28:00.840 --> 00:28:07.279
preservatives their goal was to create a snack that's full of flavor and not bad

00:28:05.279 --> 00:28:10.320
for you they've got 13 different flavors of jerky

00:28:08.799 --> 00:28:13.760
some of the favorites are sriracha bacon this one's actually really good i don't know if i've tried this one before this

00:28:12.559 --> 00:28:18.720
is really good um they're maple buffalo bacon uh

00:28:16.000 --> 00:28:21.039
traditional uh moho mojo flavors are fantastic

00:28:20.000 --> 00:28:26.080
um aside from jerky they make barbecue sauce hot sauce and a spice rub they're

00:28:24.399 --> 00:28:29.919
carolina reaper hot sauce uses one of the hottest peppers in the world

00:28:28.000 --> 00:28:33.039
the bell haha i think i made that joke before but whatever it's the carolina

00:28:31.120 --> 00:28:36.720
reaper duh it's right in the name and you can use offer code LTT

00:28:35.440 --> 00:28:43.120
to save 10 over at savage jerky.com

00:28:40.399 --> 00:28:47.440
that one really good dang so you're out your bacon can i try

00:28:45.279 --> 00:28:50.799
it yes

00:28:49.279 --> 00:28:54.559
i've technically only claimed the maple buffalo bacon uh-huh

00:28:53.200 --> 00:28:58.480
only one piece i might claim this in the future though really nice

00:28:57.200 --> 00:29:02.080
all right so the original article here is from

00:29:00.360 --> 00:29:08.080
ourstechnica.com but it would appear as though

00:29:04.720 --> 00:29:10.640
california is the latest

00:29:08.080 --> 00:29:15.919
in a number of states that are exploring net neutrality bills to protect net

00:29:12.799 --> 00:29:19.679
neutrality in spite of what's going on

00:29:15.919 --> 00:29:21.600
with the federal government

00:29:19.679 --> 00:29:25.840
so basically they're attempting to restore net neutrality provisions that

00:29:23.600 --> 00:29:29.679
are similar to the ones that were used by the fcc before their recent

00:29:28.640 --> 00:29:34.320
repeal however in addition to prohibiting fast

00:29:31.919 --> 00:29:40.320
lanes throttling blocking and paid prioritization they want to go a step

00:29:36.880 --> 00:29:42.320
further to prohibit zero rating which is

00:29:40.320 --> 00:29:45.840
when the use of a certain site such as netflix doesn't count against a user's

00:29:44.480 --> 00:29:48.000
data cap now

00:29:48.640 --> 00:29:55.120
i have mixed feelings about xero rating

00:29:53.039 --> 00:29:58.960
it sounds cool like at first

00:29:56.720 --> 00:30:03.520
uh the issue with it the big the big issue with it is say

00:30:00.960 --> 00:30:08.240
one of these isps owns a service which is really common um

00:30:05.840 --> 00:30:12.799
they could zero rate their own service so that you subscribe to them instead of

00:30:10.640 --> 00:30:18.320
someone else so john's coming but in the meantime i want to present my

00:30:15.919 --> 00:30:25.360
um he's deleted all his notes i i wanna i wanna okay i wanna present my sort of

00:30:21.919 --> 00:30:28.080
dumb consumer who's very selfish

00:30:25.360 --> 00:30:31.039
sort of point of view and go well i can see things about this that i would

00:30:29.520 --> 00:30:34.159
really like because zero rating can be applied in

00:30:33.200 --> 00:30:40.320
that way where someone like a comcast

00:30:37.760 --> 00:30:45.200
might say that okay you know watching watching shows from comcast who owns

00:30:42.159 --> 00:30:48.159
comcast again or who does comcast own or

00:30:45.200 --> 00:30:53.520
nbc okay so you know nbc streams don't count against your data usage

00:30:50.480 --> 00:30:56.480
but there are cases of zero rating where

00:30:53.520 --> 00:31:02.080
they aren't implementing it on their own services like for example t-mobile

00:30:59.039 --> 00:31:04.559
allows i think it's uh youtube streaming

00:31:02.080 --> 00:31:08.880
doesn't count against your data plan well i mean google doesn't own t-mobile

00:31:06.640 --> 00:31:13.039
and vice versa this is just a handshake deal which

00:31:11.120 --> 00:31:16.799
again on the surface can look really good for consumers

00:31:14.960 --> 00:31:20.720
because hey you can watch all the youtube you want if you're a t-mobile

00:31:18.480 --> 00:31:25.600
theoretically that hurts like twitch and whatever else but

00:31:22.640 --> 00:31:28.640
or some you know young upstart video streaming platform

00:31:27.200 --> 00:31:32.080
hey that has higher bit rates and that

00:31:30.480 --> 00:31:35.200
doesn't have a chance to talk to t-mobile about such an arrangement so

00:31:33.520 --> 00:31:40.159
john's going to tag in for me and talk in a little bit more detail about oh

00:31:37.600 --> 00:31:43.919
that was why you're here right yeah yeah no feel free to explain it in better

00:31:42.240 --> 00:31:49.279
detail than one it was like the last bullet point though

00:31:46.960 --> 00:31:54.320
okay so we're looking at we're looking at the california uh bill on

00:31:52.720 --> 00:31:57.840
neutrality right so okay so um which way which bullet point

00:31:56.640 --> 00:32:02.159
are we on because the last bullet point is here we've we've only gone through a few of them but we've talked about this

00:32:00.799 --> 00:32:07.760
kind of thing on the show before so i think a lot of people kind of know okay essentially what's going on okay so um

00:32:06.240 --> 00:32:12.799
so you talked about zero writing already right yep so okay so um right now the

00:32:10.720 --> 00:32:16.799
bill is at um it got passed by like this little subcommittee or something in

00:32:14.559 --> 00:32:21.039
their uh state house okay um so it still has to be uh passed by both chambers

00:32:18.559 --> 00:32:23.919
signed into law and all that but um both chambers and the governor's mansion

00:32:22.559 --> 00:32:28.559
are currently controlled by democrats who traditionally have been more friendly towards net neutrality so we'll

00:32:26.720 --> 00:32:33.039
see what happens with it um right now isps are unsurprisingly

00:32:31.120 --> 00:32:35.760
opposing the bill and they also might challenge it in court if it does indeed

00:32:34.640 --> 00:32:39.440
become law um there are a number of legal arguments

00:32:38.080 --> 00:32:42.880
they could use to try to get this scrapped and this is interesting not

00:32:41.120 --> 00:32:48.799
only because california is such a huge state but since the fcc repeal a few

00:32:45.840 --> 00:32:52.159
months ago um i think they've gone so far they've gone further than

00:32:50.559 --> 00:32:57.760
any other states have and trying to have like a real sort of like comprehensive

00:32:54.559 --> 00:32:59.440
net neutrality law right so

00:32:57.760 --> 00:33:04.480
um what i put down here was they might argue um federal preemption or that the

00:33:02.320 --> 00:33:09.440
bill unduly burdens what is federal preemption so that is when a federal law

00:33:07.519 --> 00:33:13.039
and a state law come into conflict okay and there's a number of ways that can

00:33:10.960 --> 00:33:16.559
happen obviously there are very clear cases where the federal law says one

00:33:15.039 --> 00:33:20.399
thing and the state law says exactly the opposite so you don't need to be a

00:33:18.240 --> 00:33:24.559
lawyer to understand that but there's also cases where it's a little bit more

00:33:22.159 --> 00:33:29.919
subtle this being one of them so what happened when the fcc uh repealed

00:33:27.760 --> 00:33:32.080
um the net neutrality protections a few months back

00:33:31.279 --> 00:33:37.120
they they specifically said we need to return to light touch regulation of the

00:33:35.600 --> 00:33:40.399
internet this is exactly what we're doing so

00:33:38.720 --> 00:33:43.760
is it really actually preempting anything if and lions is just

00:33:42.480 --> 00:33:47.600
going to reach over the desk here and steal some more sriracha bacon jerky i don't blame him that stuff is delicious

00:33:46.799 --> 00:33:53.120
but uh but it's good yeah

00:33:49.919 --> 00:33:54.880
okay anyway so um

00:33:53.120 --> 00:33:58.960
what was i talking about federal freeze distracting you with this little like

00:33:56.320 --> 00:34:03.039
bacon grab okay so we just right yeah okay so they're trying to the fcc is

00:34:01.760 --> 00:34:07.919
saying they're trying to regulate the internet less give the isps a little

00:34:05.360 --> 00:34:13.280
more leeway yeah but the question here then becomes is there does that mean the

00:34:10.480 --> 00:34:18.079
federal government is intending to um in law they call it occupying the fields

00:34:15.679 --> 00:34:22.399
does the federal government intend to regulate this area so heavily that the

00:34:20.240 --> 00:34:26.240
states can't do anything about it but in their own order they said we're trying

00:34:24.159 --> 00:34:30.399
to regulate this less heavily and scrap these net neutrality regulations so that

00:34:28.720 --> 00:34:34.639
that would be a very interesting like battle in court yeah okay yeah so

00:34:32.639 --> 00:34:38.720
they're saying like we we we don't want to regulate this as much but they're

00:34:36.560 --> 00:34:42.079
aggressively not regulating and trying to make sure that no one else can either

00:34:40.720 --> 00:34:49.119
well i don't know if they're consciously trying to do that but what i'm saying is like when when a big like isp takes the

00:34:46.560 --> 00:34:53.359
state of california to court and says they can't do this they might try to

00:34:51.440 --> 00:34:56.399
argue that the federal government has tried to occupy the field somehow it

00:34:54.879 --> 00:34:59.680
might not be a great argument but i expect them to try it uh the other thing

00:34:57.920 --> 00:35:03.359
they might argue is which they might be more successful with is saying the bill

00:35:01.280 --> 00:35:07.760
unduly burdens interstate commerce which is which is a um which is a

00:35:05.760 --> 00:35:13.200
constitutional argument but basically it's so weird i know right but

00:35:10.400 --> 00:35:18.240
yeah so but the idea is that one state can't um can't meddle in the affairs of

00:35:16.960 --> 00:35:23.440
how other states want to conduct commerce between them so okay uh so

00:35:21.119 --> 00:35:26.560
like if you're if you're importing like let's use a simpler example let's say

00:35:24.880 --> 00:35:30.240
you're importing a bunch of bacon jerky let's say the state of north carolina is

00:35:28.000 --> 00:35:35.119
importing a bunch of bacon jerky um like from another state or from another

00:35:31.760 --> 00:35:36.560
country from another state okay um so

00:35:35.119 --> 00:35:39.599
there actually that would make sense because i think savage jerky is based

00:35:38.240 --> 00:35:44.320
out of georgia so it will be a quick trip anyway so let's say they're reporting a

00:35:42.560 --> 00:35:48.560
bunch of bacon jerky and they have regulations on bacon jerky is that bacon

00:35:46.800 --> 00:35:53.440
jerky bacon turkey bacon jerky bacon jerky like how to summon Linus so anyway so

00:35:51.920 --> 00:35:57.599
let's say there's regulations that the state of nc has on bacon jerky let's say

00:35:55.599 --> 00:36:00.800
that they they can't have but so many preservatives they have to be at least

00:35:58.720 --> 00:36:04.720
you know 95 b for whatever else right this is just a random made up example

00:36:03.440 --> 00:36:08.640
yes it's a hypothetical this is not actually real probably shouldn't have very much beef in it

00:36:08.960 --> 00:36:13.599
it's friday it's been a long week okay

00:36:12.880 --> 00:36:18.640
so so um let's say they have one set of

00:36:16.079 --> 00:36:22.400
regulations for bacon jerky produced in state and

00:36:20.320 --> 00:36:25.839
another set for bacon jerky they're importing from georgia so that would be

00:36:24.400 --> 00:36:30.960
that would be against the constitution you can't do that but if the same rules apply to everybody it will be okay this

00:36:29.440 --> 00:36:36.240
is a little bit more complicated because i could see at t verizon comcast whoever

00:36:34.079 --> 00:36:39.920
else walking into court and saying that even though the law because i actually

00:36:37.599 --> 00:36:44.880
read the law a little bit and it applies to any isp that has customers in

00:36:42.320 --> 00:36:48.560
california which makes sense but um they could argue something about oh the

00:36:46.480 --> 00:36:51.599
internet is so decentralized and because of that this isn't like just importing a

00:36:50.160 --> 00:36:55.040
product or whatever and this is placing an undue burden on interstate commerce

00:36:53.200 --> 00:36:59.280
whether that would win i have no idea but i do expect a lengthy court battle

00:36:57.040 --> 00:37:04.400
so okay so there you have it the internet

00:37:01.599 --> 00:37:08.079
is not like fake and jerky well thank you john and this has been

00:37:05.920 --> 00:37:13.119
the legal corner with john i guess happy weekend thanks john yep

00:37:11.119 --> 00:37:18.240
man the states are weird yeah i know it's trippy i'll never fully

00:37:15.040 --> 00:37:20.560
understand how old stuff works 52 or

00:37:18.240 --> 00:37:23.760
like maybe but not 52 because there are also like territories or something and

00:37:22.400 --> 00:37:27.280
then 50 50 states but then like what is what

00:37:26.160 --> 00:37:32.480
are the ones that aren't yeah what are the ones that aren't states because there's puerto rico yeah guam puerto

00:37:30.320 --> 00:37:35.520
rico what are those like called but they're and they're all kind of like

00:37:33.599 --> 00:37:39.760
little countries except that they're one country sort of

00:37:37.920 --> 00:37:43.280
um except when they like want to do things

00:37:41.359 --> 00:37:47.040
that the the ones running the one country don't like then

00:37:45.359 --> 00:37:50.160
or that they don't like and then i don't know they can like actually fight about

00:37:48.720 --> 00:37:53.280
that whereas in most other countries it's just like no this is how it works

00:37:52.000 --> 00:37:56.480
that's how it works it's interesting it's confusing for someone who's isn't

00:37:55.040 --> 00:37:59.760
from there and didn't like grow up in the system

00:37:58.480 --> 00:38:03.440
i think it's confusing for the people there too

00:38:03.440 --> 00:38:09.680
google chat yeah the original article here is from

00:38:07.040 --> 00:38:15.200
tom's guide wow so okay you had a comment that all

00:38:13.040 --> 00:38:20.240
the the aloe team was dissolved and brought over here apparently yes um this

00:38:18.320 --> 00:38:23.680
is not the first time this has happened do you think this is the last time

00:38:22.800 --> 00:38:27.680
man i don't know what to tell you because

00:38:25.839 --> 00:38:32.320
uh the article that i was reading about this

00:38:29.520 --> 00:38:36.880
basically had like a timeline of the whole

00:38:33.440 --> 00:38:38.560
experience of of google and

00:38:36.880 --> 00:38:41.599
chat applications going all the way back to i think google talk was the first one

00:38:40.320 --> 00:38:46.000
so to give people a little bit of background google chat is a newly

00:38:43.920 --> 00:38:51.599
proposed thing from google is set to rival imessage and display sms which is

00:38:49.280 --> 00:38:56.480
probably the exact same lines that we've had with previous chat applications from

00:38:53.839 --> 00:39:01.200
google but they are taking a different approach this time so to be clear this

00:38:58.560 --> 00:39:06.240
is not google talk turning into g chat turning into oh man was it then

00:39:03.440 --> 00:39:09.760
integrated with hey uh with google plus and then turning into hangouts

00:39:08.400 --> 00:39:14.320
and then aloe aloe and the other one in there was

00:39:12.560 --> 00:39:17.200
there another one what was the other one they released like two i remember the

00:39:15.839 --> 00:39:22.079
last time the most confusing thing was that they released two at basically the same time and they were only marginally

00:39:20.480 --> 00:39:25.760
different yeah

00:39:23.520 --> 00:39:30.400
aloe and like something else i've had a hard time keeping track of exactly

00:39:27.680 --> 00:39:35.839
what's been going on and yet like i just i find the whole experience of of

00:39:33.520 --> 00:39:40.800
both sms and chat on Android very frustrating because the feature sets are

00:39:38.560 --> 00:39:45.599
are divergent in like little stupid ways so for example the messages team like

00:39:43.920 --> 00:39:48.960
you know just the default vanilla stock Android i shouldn't say

00:39:47.520 --> 00:39:54.400
vanilla because that might be in Android at some point like the stock Android messages app

00:39:53.359 --> 00:39:59.359
um it's like so back afterwards in some

00:39:57.040 --> 00:40:02.720
ways where like like it doesn't have cloud

00:40:00.880 --> 00:40:05.760
backup and i'm gonna say here's going around youtube demonetization saying it

00:40:04.640 --> 00:40:11.200
that way bass ackwards yeah i don't know probably um

00:40:09.599 --> 00:40:15.680
so it's like it's so backwards it doesn't even have cloud backup which

00:40:13.359 --> 00:40:18.640
just blows me away that that's not completely automatic when i switch from

00:40:17.119 --> 00:40:22.000
one Android phone to another one all my sms messages are gone

00:40:20.720 --> 00:40:25.760
but that team apparently still exists

00:40:24.160 --> 00:40:30.400
because it must have i don't think it was that long ago that they looked at

00:40:28.240 --> 00:40:35.440
how well a lot of people are busy using facebook messenger because sms is sort

00:40:32.800 --> 00:40:38.800
of trashed by today's standards um and basically the only thing they're using

00:40:36.640 --> 00:40:44.560
sms for is verification codes so when you get your notification from messages

00:40:40.800 --> 00:40:46.000
it has marcus red which is like awesome

00:40:44.560 --> 00:40:52.079
so you never have to touch it again you don't have to click through it to mark it as red you don't have to if you swipe

00:40:49.440 --> 00:40:55.599
it away it doesn't stay unread awesome

00:40:53.680 --> 00:41:00.000
it is pretty great hangouts doesn't have that gmail doesn't have that

00:40:58.400 --> 00:41:04.800
and and pretty much i mean pretty much any app now is just

00:41:02.240 --> 00:41:08.800
notification spam as far as i can tell and so the ability to mark a

00:41:06.560 --> 00:41:12.240
notification as red when it comes in without actually opening the

00:41:10.240 --> 00:41:16.240
notification very nice if i can the more i can do in

00:41:14.720 --> 00:41:21.680
the notification tray the better because if i could just do everything i need to without even opening anything that's

00:41:20.079 --> 00:41:26.319
fantastic so also the the app i was thinking of

00:41:23.920 --> 00:41:29.440
was duo which was their video chat thing so they launched alo and duo at pretty

00:41:28.160 --> 00:41:35.040
much the same time and they were both for communicating yeah

00:41:31.839 --> 00:41:37.200
okay but this is not

00:41:35.040 --> 00:41:40.960
this is not like um like a new app

00:41:39.119 --> 00:41:46.079
that's just another hangouts or allo replacement or whatever the case may be

00:41:42.240 --> 00:41:47.040
this is more of a back-end upgrade yeah

00:41:46.079 --> 00:41:52.240
so they're calling it location services what is this yeah rich communication

00:41:50.800 --> 00:41:57.920
services so unlike sms it'll support video

00:41:55.760 --> 00:42:02.880
uh it'll have red receipts it'll support higher res images

00:42:00.319 --> 00:42:05.440
and the mobile networks will have to opt in

00:42:03.599 --> 00:42:07.920
but the idea is that

00:42:09.760 --> 00:42:14.960
and you know that's a funny thing to me why do people even care about imessage

00:42:13.440 --> 00:42:19.200
that much my message is great what are you talking about what's great about it i don't know

00:42:17.760 --> 00:42:22.800
it just feels nice it goes quick you can tell what phone

00:42:20.880 --> 00:42:25.920
they have which is cool i don't know every time i've had an

00:42:24.079 --> 00:42:28.960
iphone i like that message right but did it really make a

00:42:27.760 --> 00:42:33.200
difference to you one way or the other if the bubble was blue or green i mean

00:42:30.800 --> 00:42:37.280
some sms sucks as you know how much better really is facebook chat

00:42:35.440 --> 00:42:40.800
it's not it's not the only reason i use facebook chat is so my message is great

00:42:39.040 --> 00:42:45.599
because it's fine but yeah but facebook chat has a built-in phone book i don't

00:42:42.720 --> 00:42:48.960
that's what's useful about facebook chat yeah i don't have everyone on facebook

00:42:47.520 --> 00:42:54.319
right but if you wanted to find someone that's the point of a phone book not an address i don't want to add facebook to

00:42:52.240 --> 00:42:58.240
having access to all my stuff though you don't have to you just you just search

00:42:56.079 --> 00:43:00.640
facebook for a person and they're like oh right that person and you contact

00:42:59.760 --> 00:43:06.400
them like that's what i mean by a phone book not an address book

00:43:03.599 --> 00:43:09.920
okay like like a directory so that's the only reason i give

00:43:08.000 --> 00:43:13.040
any apps whatsoever about facebook you contact that way on facebook i don't

00:43:11.520 --> 00:43:16.720
know like people that i like met at badminton once and like want to play

00:43:15.119 --> 00:43:20.079
with again sometime but i didn't exchange phone numbers with them

00:43:18.640 --> 00:43:22.960
wow but i remember their name because it'll come up automatically because

00:43:21.680 --> 00:43:27.440
they'll be friends with a bunch of other badminton people okay so it'll know like

00:43:25.119 --> 00:43:30.160
if i'm searching for andy it'll be like oh yeah probably this andy

00:43:29.040 --> 00:43:34.240
even though you don't have them in your contacts i've never used that yeah okay

00:43:32.400 --> 00:43:38.960
it's like super useful or like if there was someone that you don't go outside so

00:43:36.000 --> 00:43:42.560
you ran into at a lan party or something it might know

00:43:40.640 --> 00:43:47.359
aren't cool anymore i know i wish they were i would love that so it might know

00:43:45.440 --> 00:43:51.440
from their association with other gamers that that's the you know tom smith that

00:43:49.839 --> 00:43:54.720
you were most likely to be looking for so it's just it's it's that's why i use

00:43:53.200 --> 00:43:58.720
that that's the only reason i care about that i message other than animojis which

00:43:57.040 --> 00:44:02.160
is a completely artificial lockdown thank you apple there's no reason why

00:44:00.640 --> 00:44:06.400
you couldn't send an emojis as a video clip in hangouts for example other than

00:44:04.000 --> 00:44:09.440
that they just don't want you to um i don't really get it

00:44:07.599 --> 00:44:14.640
what's so amazing about it maybe people are telling me in twitch chat but there's really there's really there

00:44:11.680 --> 00:44:18.800
isn't much else though group messages on imessage and whatsapp are much better

00:44:16.400 --> 00:44:23.359
than sms okay that's fine but whatsapp has that and you can do that on facebook

00:44:20.839 --> 00:44:28.480
messenger um imessages end-to-end encrypted sms is open to snooping image

00:44:26.000 --> 00:44:34.160
is much less creepy okay facebook so if you care about that then you can be

00:44:30.560 --> 00:44:36.800
using a third-party messaging service

00:44:34.160 --> 00:44:40.160
in general because imessage is just automatically turned on and turned off

00:44:38.480 --> 00:44:44.160
depending on who the what kind of phone the other person has so it's like

00:44:42.160 --> 00:44:47.359
it's it's like only like sometimes running your vpn when you talk to like

00:44:45.599 --> 00:44:52.160
some people so i don't really get that either why don't you use discord that we're

00:44:50.720 --> 00:44:58.000
talking about privacy stuff on my computer um okay yes integration with the desktop

00:44:56.079 --> 00:45:01.280
experience is a good one um

00:44:59.359 --> 00:45:07.200
facebook messenger same thing whatsapp same thing uh hangout same thing

00:45:04.880 --> 00:45:10.000
people are like it just works it kind of does though yeah it kind of

00:45:08.720 --> 00:45:16.079
does but like and i know it's a funny tagline but it kind of does just sort of work

00:45:14.400 --> 00:45:19.680
it just sort of works the way you would expect sms too but it doesn't

00:45:18.400 --> 00:45:23.520
okay i mean so then in a nutshell

00:45:21.920 --> 00:45:28.640
chat is like a back-end upgrade to sms

00:45:26.800 --> 00:45:33.440
that other messaging apps this is cool like samsung's messaging app will

00:45:30.560 --> 00:45:36.960
support google actually has a fair number of

00:45:35.359 --> 00:45:40.079
partners signed and signed on for this thing so

00:45:38.480 --> 00:45:44.720
like i mean i guess i'm excited and that's cool

00:45:42.079 --> 00:45:47.839
but i just um yeah i guess that's cool

00:45:48.640 --> 00:45:54.560
i don't know i just i don't feel like imessage needed to be something that

00:45:52.560 --> 00:45:58.400
had to be competed with but apparently it does i do and i guess maybe what i'm

00:45:56.640 --> 00:46:00.800
forgetting is that a lot of people like when i message my

00:45:59.760 --> 00:46:07.760
mom she doesn't have whatsapp or facebook messenger even or

00:46:05.040 --> 00:46:10.880
anything like to her text messages text message

00:46:08.640 --> 00:46:14.480
and so if this upgrades the text message experience that normies are probably

00:46:12.960 --> 00:46:17.359
just using by default because they don't know anything else then i guess that's

00:46:16.400 --> 00:46:21.760
good but even then we're still not going to have perfect coverage because we're

00:46:19.839 --> 00:46:26.640
going to be relying on iOS to Android and vice versa

00:46:25.040 --> 00:46:30.480
to kind of translate to each other but maybe apple and google will find a way to cooperate on that i'm not sure i

00:46:29.200 --> 00:46:35.440
haven't looked into it carefully enough to know if that's oh no yeah right right here in tom's

00:46:33.760 --> 00:46:39.920
article uh there's no clue as to whether or not apple will support chat

00:46:37.680 --> 00:46:43.280
so there you go it's apparently less secure than apple's own service so it

00:46:41.760 --> 00:46:46.880
might be unlikely see that i i don't know it seems pretty

00:46:45.200 --> 00:46:52.560
secure it does everything you really need it to do and it works all the time

00:46:50.240 --> 00:46:55.760
and it feels smooth and nice i don't know i like the imessage

00:46:54.400 --> 00:47:00.400
it was one of the saddest things about leaving an iphone was i was like oh

00:46:58.640 --> 00:47:05.760
i have to go back to like this weird junk it's just so weird because like

00:47:03.839 --> 00:47:09.680
when lou did that video at ces where he asked a bunch of creators what phone

00:47:07.040 --> 00:47:13.119
they're actually using uh a couple people i think

00:47:11.520 --> 00:47:17.119
maybe it was just one i don't know at least one person brought up my message

00:47:16.160 --> 00:47:21.359
and like all my friends are on imessage

00:47:19.200 --> 00:47:25.599
and so i asked off camera i was like why does that matter what i mean yeah i'm

00:47:23.200 --> 00:47:28.400
not sure yeah i'm like okay i didn't use it enough to actually know because i

00:47:27.280 --> 00:47:32.480
didn't have an iphone for videos is this just really excellent branding

00:47:30.400 --> 00:47:36.720
because even at a tech content creator and i'm not gonna name who they were but

00:47:34.240 --> 00:47:41.760
a tech content creator tech tuber didn't know why he cared about imessage

00:47:39.599 --> 00:47:46.720
it's just my my whole thing was it was very smooth it's i like the idea of text

00:47:44.640 --> 00:47:50.480
messages i like the idea of default apps i've always liked the idea of default

00:47:48.160 --> 00:47:55.839
apps i like default experiences i like a pixel because it is stock Android i

00:47:53.440 --> 00:48:00.400
would love to use the stock Android sms thing but it's garbo i still have to use

00:47:58.160 --> 00:48:03.520
it kind of because like my upstairs neighbors

00:48:01.440 --> 00:48:07.920
bless their wonderful souls use old school text messages um

00:48:06.960 --> 00:48:12.480
and it's kind of jank for that um and there are a

00:48:11.200 --> 00:48:16.960
few other people in my life that i have to use that for i use

00:48:14.560 --> 00:48:22.319
facebook messenger for a lot of my stuff but that sucks not only is it like

00:48:19.040 --> 00:48:24.880
scraping everything it uses an really

00:48:22.319 --> 00:48:29.599
odd amount of battery life it's terrible in a lot of other ways got people saying

00:48:26.720 --> 00:48:32.319
that it's a status symbol yes

00:48:30.880 --> 00:48:36.319
okay that's not why i like it but some people do see it that way if you pop up

00:48:34.240 --> 00:48:39.599
in the imessage with the like i have an iphone color

00:48:37.760 --> 00:48:42.720
it's like a positive thing i didn't even remember which one it was i use it for a

00:48:41.040 --> 00:48:45.359
very short period of time i did know that i really liked my imessage

00:48:44.240 --> 00:48:50.000
experience i texted more people when i was on an

00:48:47.520 --> 00:48:52.880
iphone because i had imessage and i texted less people when i was on

00:48:51.839 --> 00:48:57.359
an Android because i didn't have imessage because the stock texting thing

00:48:55.440 --> 00:49:00.559
sucks so bad i used to have something called go sms pro

00:49:00.800 --> 00:49:07.920
like a long time ago when texting was still really popular because the default

00:49:05.280 --> 00:49:11.520
Android messaging thing was so garbage um that i got go sms pro but then

00:49:10.160 --> 00:49:14.559
something happened there i don't know what it was and they were bad i think i

00:49:13.280 --> 00:49:19.839
just hate everyone who has these problems because they clearly have social lives and i don't

00:49:18.160 --> 00:49:24.319
you know what you're the one that wants you're the one that needs the like

00:49:21.520 --> 00:49:28.160
those people the address book no what no in in freaking

00:49:26.400 --> 00:49:32.480
messenger well i didn't say that because often so many people i didn't say it was

00:49:30.480 --> 00:49:34.590
so many you need to look them up i can prove to you that it's like three ever

00:49:34.240 --> 00:49:38.800
actually

00:49:38.800 --> 00:49:45.119
well i'm at zero okay so

00:49:42.079 --> 00:49:47.119
you're winning by a lot speaking of xero

00:49:45.119 --> 00:49:52.800
uh that's how many new products will be developed by oppo digital so this was

00:49:49.680 --> 00:49:54.880
posted on the forum by uh someone nick

00:49:52.800 --> 00:49:57.760
the majin nick the major man whatever that is

00:49:56.160 --> 00:50:02.160
very sad day oppo and this is uh nick's editorial uh

00:50:00.640 --> 00:50:05.839
oppo made the best video players on the market with superb build quality and

00:50:03.839 --> 00:50:10.079
fantastic customer support guess the market just wasn't there for

00:50:07.760 --> 00:50:12.880
the higher end product i love my udp 203 and hate to think that my next player

00:50:11.440 --> 00:50:18.640
will have to be made of cheap plastic from the likes of sony or samsung so for

00:50:15.839 --> 00:50:23.839
those of you not familiar oppo was a brand that i already couldn't

00:50:21.359 --> 00:50:28.880
understand why they existed back in like

00:50:27.079 --> 00:50:31.760
2012 2011.

00:50:30.480 --> 00:50:35.440
um so this is when i was a product manager back at ncix and one of my

00:50:33.680 --> 00:50:41.440
fellow product managers was gonna bring in these uh high-end dvd

00:50:39.040 --> 00:50:47.599
players and blu-ray players um with the argument being that they had sort of

00:50:43.280 --> 00:50:49.520
fancy upscaling technology and and stuff

00:50:47.599 --> 00:50:53.680
and um they were they were very expensive and i kind of went are you are

00:50:51.920 --> 00:50:58.480
you effing kidding me like db like high-end dvd players that's

00:50:56.559 --> 00:51:02.000
that's kind of like that's kind of like trying to sell premium cassette tapes as

00:51:00.319 --> 00:51:06.000
far as i'm concerned for which i'm sure there's a market but oh they're totally

00:51:04.559 --> 00:51:11.200
in the um okay let me come up with something better retro wave how about like

00:51:09.680 --> 00:51:14.240
i think it's called retro how about like stylish dad sandals

00:51:13.200 --> 00:51:19.359
like okay i would you know

00:51:16.559 --> 00:51:19.359
okay um

00:51:20.880 --> 00:51:25.920
i'm working on this okay so there's a niche for almost

00:51:24.559 --> 00:51:30.240
anything but not for this apparently anymore synth

00:51:28.160 --> 00:51:33.680
wave or new retro wave they like cassette tapes

00:51:31.520 --> 00:51:36.400
okay so we've gotten past the point where

00:51:35.520 --> 00:51:42.000
anyone or at least enough people to sustain this company care enough about fancy

00:51:40.319 --> 00:51:46.400
upscaling features and better build quality on their physical media players

00:51:45.680 --> 00:51:51.040
now i do still buy blu-rays

00:51:48.960 --> 00:51:55.520
periodically because it is

00:51:52.160 --> 00:51:57.520
it does look a lot better than streaming

00:51:55.520 --> 00:52:01.520
but man is blu-ray ever going to get replaced

00:51:59.839 --> 00:52:06.960
like will there be a successor or are we just done i think we're done

00:52:04.640 --> 00:52:06.960
huh

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i mean it's at the point now where it's just people have kind of voted with

00:52:11.040 --> 00:52:16.400
their vault well it's they they want cheaper they don't want higher quality

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and it's gotten to the point where i think the cheaper option is so much

00:52:19.119 --> 00:52:23.520
cheaper that

00:52:22.400 --> 00:52:28.880
a lot of people don't think it's worth it so they're still going to be providing support and doing updates but

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i mean and at the same time to be fair like a

00:52:30.880 --> 00:52:35.920
high-end blu-ray player i think is a little bit harder to explain the value

00:52:35.200 --> 00:52:41.280
of like a lot of people are going to go with like their playstation yeah or

00:52:39.920 --> 00:52:45.440
whatever else xbox one s yeah exactly that's what i'm

00:52:43.200 --> 00:52:50.480
saying playstation doesn't oh no blu-ray player in the ps4 pro right brilliant

00:52:47.760 --> 00:52:52.800
yeah um but like yeah they i i feel like they would go

00:52:51.680 --> 00:52:57.359
with what how did that hold on i might be i might

00:52:55.359 --> 00:53:02.000
have that wrong yeah i played a blu-ray in a ps4 pro like

00:53:00.559 --> 00:53:05.280
not even a pro hold on i might have that wrong what is the stupid thing ultra hd

00:53:03.839 --> 00:53:10.160
sorry that was the stupid thing that i that it didn't have xbox one s

00:53:07.760 --> 00:53:14.000
has support for 4k blu-ray the ps4 pro doesn't i was like wait a minute no no

00:53:11.520 --> 00:53:17.359
the ps3 had blu-ray yeah sorry that's pretty confused for you

00:53:15.440 --> 00:53:21.040
but uh yeah i think people use an existing device or they would rather go

00:53:19.440 --> 00:53:24.880
buy something that can do a bunch of other stuff and play blu-rays

00:53:23.599 --> 00:53:29.760
instead of something that just plays blu-rays speaking of other things dead

00:53:27.359 --> 00:53:33.440
Intel's smart glasses group gone

00:53:31.760 --> 00:53:38.000
the glasses they were working on called vond looked kind of like normal glasses and

00:53:36.079 --> 00:53:42.880
used a low-powered laser beam to beam images into the eye

00:53:40.640 --> 00:53:46.880
so either Intel is giving up on ar for a while or they figured they were never

00:53:45.200 --> 00:53:50.640
going to get laser beams into your eye past the regulatory bodies that pay

00:53:49.359 --> 00:53:56.200
attention to that sort of thing which i think honestly both of those options are

00:53:52.800 --> 00:53:56.200
totally valid

00:53:56.720 --> 00:54:02.160
because i think uh how is this not a much more major topic well we're talking

00:54:01.119 --> 00:54:06.319
about this okay uh GeForce partner program

00:54:04.640 --> 00:54:08.839
is um well we kind of talked about it a little bit last week but it looks like

00:54:08.160 --> 00:54:13.359
it's official ASUS has announced the original

00:54:11.920 --> 00:54:20.720
article here's from hot hardware you weren't here last week uh week before

00:54:16.880 --> 00:54:23.200
i don't know okay areas aries there is

00:54:20.720 --> 00:54:26.880
video cards no i i read the article where it was rumored and i talked about

00:54:24.800 --> 00:54:32.319
it on WAN Show at some point oh okay but this is it it's official

00:54:29.040 --> 00:54:33.520
rog is out for ASUS's high-end gaming

00:54:32.319 --> 00:54:38.319
products that feature AMD

00:54:35.520 --> 00:54:45.359
processors so this is aries which is a play on ASUS's aries with an s not a zed

00:54:41.920 --> 00:54:47.200
high-end like dual GPU AMD Radeon cards

00:54:45.359 --> 00:54:52.720
that were like a limited edition uh similar to their mars ones for NVIDIA

00:54:51.440 --> 00:54:58.079
um so just a summary for those of you who aren't familiar

00:54:55.680 --> 00:55:02.240
the program rewards partners with perks including marketing funds special

00:54:59.359 --> 00:55:05.839
promotions and extra engineering support and ASUS has not gone on the record

00:55:04.400 --> 00:55:09.839
saying it joined the program but with the release of ares

00:55:07.520 --> 00:55:14.319
it is fairly clear that republic of gamers will only be used on GeForce

00:55:11.760 --> 00:55:18.400
cards and other products containing an NVIDIA

00:55:15.839 --> 00:55:24.720
uh processor duh duh

00:55:21.680 --> 00:55:26.960
intense have you seen this

00:55:24.720 --> 00:55:32.240
i have no idea what this is uh yeah it's lame it's just stupid marketing chunk

00:55:30.400 --> 00:55:38.319
um so yeah speaking of stupid marketing junk um that's it for the wine show yeah

00:55:36.480 --> 00:55:41.599
the marketing junk show no

00:55:39.599 --> 00:55:44.559
there's more to it than that i ate jerky for half of this show yeah i was gonna

00:55:43.040 --> 00:55:49.839
say we we eat stuff they don't pay extra for that though and drink some water it's just

00:55:47.440 --> 00:55:52.000
yummy yup cool

00:55:50.799 --> 00:55:55.680
so we'll see you again next week same bad time same bat channel bye

00:55:58.400 --> 00:56:05.020
i don't know what it is but like i didn't even check the time but it's been like exactly an hour

00:56:03.920 --> 00:56:12.640
and it's just something about the rancho that takes exactly an hour

00:56:10.319 --> 00:56:16.720
i think part of it honestly is james has written so many dogs now no

00:56:14.960 --> 00:56:19.359
this was uh john helped me oh yeah

00:56:19.440 --> 00:56:24.640
forgot Floatplane dang it no come back we're no we're

00:56:23.119 --> 00:56:30.480
going back yeah going back coming back it's like a after party but not after

00:56:27.920 --> 00:56:32.960
it's like a post party but not i'm gonna i'm gonna

00:56:31.440 --> 00:56:36.480
say that we didn't because we technically talked

00:56:35.119 --> 00:56:42.720
about at the beginning of the show but we didn't highlight the cool things that are on it so we also did

00:56:40.720 --> 00:56:48.480
here we go oh hang it i would probably yep just a sec

00:56:45.119 --> 00:56:50.000
there we go hey we're still here

00:56:48.480 --> 00:56:54.079
i don't know we didn't stop and start right like we're just still going nice

00:56:51.839 --> 00:56:57.920
my fingers are really jerky though oh i'm not making it much

00:56:56.480 --> 00:57:02.000
better by licking them and then wiping them on my pants but

00:56:59.920 --> 00:57:05.599
um yeah

00:57:02.960 --> 00:57:07.839
yes aj you completely saved the day good job

00:57:09.040 --> 00:57:17.520
all right let's see if i also i noticed that you logged on to uh

00:57:13.680 --> 00:57:18.880
battlegrounds at uh 2 58 local time

00:57:17.520 --> 00:57:22.720
so we're gonna need to talk on monday

00:57:20.799 --> 00:57:27.760
but thank you for saving the day i appreciate it

00:57:24.880 --> 00:57:32.400
okay then uh screen sharing with Linus

00:57:30.079 --> 00:57:35.680
let's go ahead and put that there so what do we have up there

00:57:34.000 --> 00:57:39.760
oh this is a um Techquickie that is actually a very

00:57:37.440 --> 00:57:42.799
unusual looking thumbnail for a Techquickie video

00:57:41.359 --> 00:57:47.200
interesting that's an unusual looking host for a Techquickie video actually john's done a lot of the hosting on

00:57:45.440 --> 00:57:49.839
techwiki lately and uh the reception's been really good

00:57:50.319 --> 00:57:55.440
let's go ahead and go back see how that i see how snappy that site

00:57:53.599 --> 00:57:58.400
is in that beautiful hey here's our hiring video in case Colton gets fired

00:57:57.200 --> 00:58:01.839
you can't really tell but he's like cowering it's great yeah yeah it's

00:58:00.640 --> 00:58:06.160
pretty wonderful uh this went up simultaneously because

00:58:03.920 --> 00:58:11.680
there was an embargo super no one cared hey about ryzen 2 really yeah it was

00:58:09.359 --> 00:58:15.040
like it was not only not like a big momentum spike for the channel but it

00:58:13.520 --> 00:58:19.839
was like devastating slow down oh yeah wow it

00:58:17.520 --> 00:58:23.520
like crushed the channel um

00:58:20.960 --> 00:58:27.359
this one is going to blow up on youtube faster internet for free in 30 seconds

00:58:25.680 --> 00:58:31.359
and it works do you know about cloudflare's dns

00:58:29.520 --> 00:58:35.359
yes yeah yeah yeah so we basically just show people how to change their dns to a

00:58:33.119 --> 00:58:38.880
faster one okay no that's cool that's cool that's cool

00:58:36.720 --> 00:58:41.680
that's cool um i might say

00:58:40.079 --> 00:58:44.720
snappier well you know what you know you know

00:58:43.680 --> 00:58:47.280
what um

00:58:48.079 --> 00:58:54.880
i won't i won't destroy my principles but

00:58:52.319 --> 00:58:58.880
i won't compromise my principles but i might

00:58:56.000 --> 00:59:01.440
i might be flexible sometimes

00:59:01.599 --> 00:59:06.880
technically you might be i don't think it's too brutal i don't

00:59:05.200 --> 00:59:10.400
think this is far off yeah i think it's fine uh self-driving car levels explain

00:59:08.799 --> 00:59:14.000
that's another fast as possible that's cool it's really cool because a lot of

00:59:12.480 --> 00:59:17.920
people don't realize that there's i think six levels something like that six

00:59:16.000 --> 00:59:23.599
levels like level four is not actually the end yeah um so that's pretty cool

00:59:20.799 --> 00:59:27.200
the thinkpad x1 carbon review is up oh i don't know i don't know how much

00:59:25.280 --> 00:59:30.079
Intel is going to like this video xeon w

00:59:28.400 --> 00:59:35.920
is basically that's fun core i9 with ecc and by the

00:59:32.720 --> 00:59:38.079
way here's pay another 700 please

00:59:35.920 --> 00:59:42.559
um but it's it's still worth watching the video we go into it in more detail

00:59:40.480 --> 00:59:46.240
this video ended up being like pretty brutal i was thinking it was just gonna

00:59:44.640 --> 00:59:52.480
be me and dennis kind of like racing to build a pc instead it was dennis trying

00:59:49.200 --> 00:59:52.480
to build a pc at all

00:59:52.880 --> 00:59:57.920
oh jeez this video is actually fantastic

00:59:55.920 --> 01:00:03.280
also aj i know i'm just yanking your chain we uh we really mixed things up a

01:00:00.400 --> 01:00:06.960
little bit oh my um so we kind of went quick

01:00:04.720 --> 01:00:10.000
uh so i'm baking i'm baking a laptop cake

01:00:07.839 --> 01:00:14.400
that's kind of the idea behind it oh and these are all the things you want

01:00:11.760 --> 01:00:17.040
in a you know yeah okay and so the point that we're making is that we went really

01:00:15.839 --> 01:00:22.559
far with this just because you have the right ingredients doesn't mean that you actually make a delicious cake

01:00:20.640 --> 01:00:27.280
wow you might get a couple things wrong you know brutal

01:00:24.799 --> 01:00:30.960
so we've got the magic transition there isn't that being that beautiful

01:00:29.200 --> 01:00:37.599
alex actually went and had a custom cake made for this

01:00:33.760 --> 01:00:37.599
video dell xps 2018.

01:00:41.359 --> 01:00:47.520
and we're gonna leave it there okay i haven't seen that i need to see

01:00:46.319 --> 01:00:53.440
that that's pretty good uh we've got the wearable keyboard and mouse yes so it's

01:00:51.520 --> 01:00:57.599
a both a keyboard and a mouse and it just fits on your hand like that i think

01:00:55.280 --> 01:01:00.160
we're getting into and i think that's uh i think yep that's getting into the

01:00:58.880 --> 01:01:06.160
stuff that's already released now i think yep

01:01:02.160 --> 01:01:06.160
oh also kyle's on the platform yeah

01:01:06.799 --> 01:01:12.400
so he's got uh that probably went up on the embargo oh wow

01:01:11.280 --> 01:01:17.359
uh oh yeah okay i that's not fake no it's not

01:01:15.599 --> 01:01:20.640
that's real coolant it is that's a problem yep

01:01:19.119 --> 01:01:23.520
i've seen that so at some point we're gonna get this new button fixed so that

01:01:22.319 --> 01:01:28.480
you can tell the difference between stuff that's just everything's new everything is new everything ever

01:01:26.799 --> 01:01:31.839
uploaded is new everything is new it's a new website um new thumbnail but

01:01:30.559 --> 01:01:39.839
genuinely there are some new things over on flow planning new comment Floatplane.com

01:01:35.920 --> 01:01:39.839
someone new viewed it recently
