iPhone X Announced!! (Apple can't count either...) - WAN Show September 15, 2017
Linus Tech Tips
·Linus Tech Tips
·2018-05-06
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and we're live welcome to the WAN Show
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your weekly analysis
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and news and uh who am i kidding we just
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goof around on friday afternoons and for
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some reason you guys like to watch because you're weird like that
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i like to watch yeah who doesn't
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what are you doing we've got a lot of great topics for you guys today
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but rather than tell you about them i'm gonna pick all the most boring ones so
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that i can razz james about it in person
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i don't make the news man okay this headline
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weird case from kickstarter that Linus
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likes okay first and foremost
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just because i like something that doesn't make it weird
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i like to watch i like to watch for example you like to watch too is it
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weird that if we both like it well no
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i don't like this case that's why it's weird it's weird that you like it
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i didn't i didn't get it maybe you can walk us through you can show everyone the case you can tell us why all right i
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don't think it's that weird i think some of you guys are okay i don't think all
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of you guys are going to want to pay for it because
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that's a whole other matter but i do think you guys will think it's pretty
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cool uh what else we've got have we got for boring news this week scroll to the
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bottom i usually put the boring stuff on the bottom i don't know this is pretty boring bluetooth hacked again it's scary
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it's scary but in like a boring way like bluetooth has to be the most mundane
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boring thing on the face of the earth the the boringness to cool name ratio is
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high though okay bluetooth is a pretty good name oh facebook to open a new ai
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lab in montreal oh oh you like the canadian stuff oh
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man oh google chrome lets you mute okay
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that's pretty cool okay that that's pretty cool that one's at the very
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bottom you don't even know what good news is best for last that's that's not
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what you said prove it this is live
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there's an archive all right fine you picked two new topics
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cool ones okay this is probably one that you
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normally wouldn't even read but it's possible that in the near future you
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might be able to charge your electric car in five minutes
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i can charge my electric car in five minutes now you have one life it's a
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little one like this what else you got hit me again that was
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terrible there's gonna be a new gtx 1070. okay you know what i think
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my attempts to read boring news are still more interesting than your
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attempts to read what you think is the best news this is where we have a
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disconnect james every week Linus puts in
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to the document before i get to it his picks of things that pop up out to him
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during the week they pop out he puts them to make sure they're in the show the top one this week
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the fact that the that the video card guy left AMD
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that is sort of a big deal he just went he's taking one quarter off
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he's taking a long christmas break he's back in january he's gonna be out for
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three months okay okay this is so over let me put let me put it this way
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you know what fine we'll come back to this after the break first the intro
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yes the answer that questions yes
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no there's music right now no they can hear us still they can it's just
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annoying don't do that you're too new to the show
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to be annoying see luke gets away with it ah
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i like to test the boundaries
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do you like to watch other people test their boundaries
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are we allowed to talk about stuff like this while we put the sponsor logos on
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the screen synergy
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all right okay
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you pick no we're going we're going right into the Radeon technologies group
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thing okay so i'm gonna open up with i completely
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disagree with you and then i'm gonna let you go ahead and make your argument
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actually no i'm gonna open up with what the actual news is so the original
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article here was um actually from
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uh yong yong kang posted it on the forum here
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we'll go ahead and pull that up and basically just said well that's odd
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raja so you might remember him as the tiger in aladdin the uh
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no you might remember him as the gentleman
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who dropped the rx 480 back when it
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launched that wasn't me i was just present he was the one who dropped it
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that's where you caught it from um and he came back to AMD
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right around the time that they launched their hawaii gpus so that was the 290x
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and the 290. and vega has basically been his baby
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since then and he is going on a break
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until the end of q4 so the start of 2018
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and dr lisa sue ceo of AMD so she's so
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he's been running Radeon technologies group which was split off from AMD
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proper so they're going okay this is a CPU side this is the GPU side in an
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attempt to make it easier for the CPU side of things to work with folks like
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NVIDIA and the GPU side of things to work with folks like Intel okay i'm
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starting to get this so dr sue
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is basically stepping in as now
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the boss and i don't i'll just say boss because i don't technically she was
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already the ceo of it so you can't get more boss than that but she'll be more
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directly overseeing Radeon technologies group
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blurring the line between these two companies in my mind anyway in a way
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and also um what's it called when you go like this
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telegraphing sort of a telegraphing an attack you know oh got
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it yeah so telegraphing sort of uh um in my
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mind potential shift in at least her
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thoughts for how important
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raja is to rtg see i think you're reaching there okay all right make your
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make your argument so he don't let me stop you from making
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your argument but uh yeah okay
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all right so he worked really hard during vega needless to say the guy was
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probably burning the midnight oil for months literally a couple years
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so he sent an internal email to the staff
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thanking everyone for their hard work um
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highlighting how kick-ass the launch has been for epic and
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well not epic but Threadripper and ryzen and all of it
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and vega since that's his his baby so
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he thanked everyone for their hard work and then said quote vega was personally hard on me as
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well and i used up a lot of family credits during this journey i decided to
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take a time off now they can see it they can see it i'm sharing them but they
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like when i read stuff so it was tough on him
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he's taking some time off i don't think that's hard to understand so he
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asked sue when he should take when he should take
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time off and she suggested this last quarter i think he originally
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wanted to go off like in january but there's more product launches then so
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they chose now so i think your theory about how her influence or presence is
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going to muddy the water i don't think that really applies because i think it's a quiet time she's
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not going to have to make that many big decisions i don't think okay it's coasting i don't
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think there's ever a quiet time in the tech industry for one thing and here's
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my counter argument to that
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if i told you that it was in any way
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acceptable for you to be off work for three months
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um unless there was i mean
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and here's the thing you know we don't know about his health
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or his family's health or you know there may be personal
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factors at play so that may be part of why people are
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reading too much into this because they don't have all the information but all i
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can go based on is what i see in front of me and what i
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see in front of me is if i told you james that barring any kind of health
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issues or any kind of family emergency or the birth of a child
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it was cool for you to just not be at work for a few months
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how essential would you feel
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and how essential would i have to feel like you are to
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just be like yeah that's cool you know actually you
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know what would be great is if maybe for the next few months maybe we just didn't
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pay you and you just didn't come to work and then maybe after that you'll come
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back and you know like to me
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this feels more like a slow like like a
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a way to to quietly phase out
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then it feels like a sabbatical
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i could be totally wrong i could be so far off the mark
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that it's not even funny because a lot of what's in here on the
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face of it looks fairly credible
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um you know he's been working real hard
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and his family probably wants to see him and this has been a very long couple to
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few years of his life but
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so why no successor then
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because i don't think raja is that simple
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to introduce a success or two and i
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think this few months gives them time to find somebody
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okay that's my tinfoil hat conspiracy theory
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and i would be singing a totally different
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song right now if vega had absolutely kicked ass
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is that bixby talking to me
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no not bixby it might have been it's bixby but it's for me it might have been
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siri activating yeah they were talking to each other it
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was neither yeah yeah that would be a great video
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bixby would be all eloquent siri just like
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oh wow that would be an amazing video
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like getting them getting them going like seeing if they could start
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activating each other like like that i'm sorry i don't understand could you repeat that like
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that like that prank call when you get one erotic hotline to talk to the other erotic hotline
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and then it takes them like 10 minutes to figure out like no you called me
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you never no i've never heard of that oh that
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sounds great though if for someone who likes to watch i assume you like to
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listen you should look it up
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peter pan versus pizza man that kind of thing that does sound pretty good
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um okay so then
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tin foil hat how many tin foil hats out of ten am i we're doing it now are we
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doing a straw poll is that what you're saying no no i want to hear from you i actually do care what you think uh
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he'll be back he'll be back i'm giving you a credible
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six a six okay like it's not
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that far-fetched okay could be true but i'm just erring on the side of not true
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okay all right all right i can accept that because i lied i don't care what
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you think anyway i think good thoughts
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you only think good i don't i don't think good don't think good thoughts
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all right let's get into our next topic here my uh
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you know i got really next door is this i'm gonna have to oh oh doesn't everyone
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want to know all right we can talk about the iphones
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iphones wait
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is this seriously all the okay so there's a couple issues here number one
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is i'm working on my review of the 4k blade and i'm going to screen share you
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guys on something that i've never seen before this is just
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this is just my chrome right now um
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this is not very usable um it's white privilege
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that's uh manifested that's
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not this is not very helpful um
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and and this this is the other issue this is all the notes i get
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you watch the event i don't you know i
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don't you know what you're gonna say i don't memorize every stupid thing
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oh i need a summary i have things to say you want to say them
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this is new information no i don't remember how many megapixels every every
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camera or all 12 phones oh they're still 12. that hasn't even
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changed okay well i didn't remember that so that's why you
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got me well knew luke i wasn't going to host
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the show with you i was gonna host it with someone cool
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but then we ran out of time saying
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are you implying that i'm hot what oh you're making me very
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uncomfortable right now okay oh okay so this is interesting
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um are you familiar with this senator in particular you recognize that name al
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franken yes he's the coolest senator i think
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he's the guy that rakes people over the coals questions them hard questions
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and he's got some more oh this is this actually looks pretty
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good okay so it's to do with um their face id but anyway let's let's talk
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about see i know i don't have a summary i don't have like a okay next time i do
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need the summary for stuff like this just because i watch the live stream
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doesn't mean i don't need the suffering no i'm
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i'm flying blind here okay so let's talk general impressions um i don't know how
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many of you did tune into the live stream that we did during apple's event
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but ed and i actually streamed live the
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whole time to give you guys sort of a pc
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slash apple fanboy perspective on all of the
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news that they announced the watch looks
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moderately interesting they are taking another step towards the direction that
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i didn't really want to see them go with the apple watch you mean independence
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popular that kind of thing i like okay
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see it's not that i don't like it it's that i think it's a lower priority
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then then always on display
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so every generation they're cramming in more sensors this
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time they're cramming in a sim cardless
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sim so you can have a cellular connection without needing to actually
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put a sim card in it which is really cool and i would be floored if we don't
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see the same technology in every phone moving forward at some point here and
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the thing that's messed about that is that's two devices running off the same
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sim card what is that never happens like you can
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make calls from the phone and then you've got yours no you still you so it's an independent
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activation with the carrier so it has a sim card it's just built
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into the pcb but it's the same phone number
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oh wait you know okay that i hadn't thought about that that's really cool um
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anyway so love the tech
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love the idea of not having to take your phone with you or like even take it out
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all day if you don't do a ton of texting if you just need to like set yourself a
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reminder uh take a call when people call you
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um actually you can place calls from it you can do a lot of stuff
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i just i hate that we aren't making it a watch
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first before it's a computer on your wrist and i feel like every time they
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have an opportunity to throw a marginally bigger battery in it or to to
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not put something extra in it throw a slightly more power efficient processor
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in it and turn on always on display they
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don't they just make it why do you want that more advanced because i don't want
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to have to go like this every time i want to know the time i
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want to be able to like just see what time it is you want to just look down
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without even having to turn the watch yeah i mean you're you wear a watch
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right now yeah people can't see it but like so let's say i'm like this jesus
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you want to just be able to look at it you don't even want to have to tweak it
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no even that why should i have what is that what's just the littlest tweak
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that's stupid what if i'm okay you know okay here's something yeah but the other
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side of that coin is having it on all the time for no reason stupid
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no it's not stupid what if it was dimly on and then if they tweaked it
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it would shine tell you what let's say i didn't have a computer in front of me right now i'm sitting having a
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conversation with someone at a table i want to know what time it is
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this phone with it's always on display
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is a timepiece right there boom convenient
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so convenient i don't have to pick it up and go like this because really
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here's the issue it does time
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almost no better than a phone okay i have to do the exact same stupid
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routine to check the time on my phone as i do on my watch and they're so
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concerned about making it call phones and browse the internet and
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track all of my running and walking and swimming and
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jumping and breathing and heart rate that it they can't
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like that's so reasonable for them to do that though
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because the biggest criticism with the watch is that it doesn't do anything
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so they want to put more things in it for it to do
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is that even the biggest criticism of a watch like it is for me who is well yeah
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but you wear an analog watch you i would
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have created your own biggest complaint why don't you get a casio calculator
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watch then if you want it to do something but it's just small you could
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take boobies on it and be like this noob
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probably you could probably write noob list too i don't think you could know that
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there's no n yeah no n all right do i know numbers
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i'd actually the secret so i don't even know how to tell time on this thing
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what's the secret watches i don't know what this means
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it's two lines down two lines down o'clock i get to go home
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digital age two lines down o'clock
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you know okay i'll confess that reading analog time is not my forte either i'm
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really slow at it like you're counting by five something i'm super slow at it
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like obviously i can do it but it it takes me a minute it's a form of muscle
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memory it's uh it's and you know what it's funny because i think i'm probably
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not the only one like you remember it wasn't that long ago Windows
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had an analog clock when you click the oh that's funny we're in the way there
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we go had an analog clock when you clicked the uh time in the bottom right
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corner no thank you whereas now
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they went digital with it because i think this is just a a skill like
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driving manual that's fading from our
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collective um well it's
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you could you could learn as a toddler to read that way earlier than a analog
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watch there's no secret to it if you know what the number looks like then you
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know how to say just say it out loud yes and no i agree too okay no time is a
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little bit complicated for little kids as someone who has a little kid um and
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has so many so here you man explain me i
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used to be a little kid i know how it goes dad's playing okay
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i'm just joking go ahead please the word mansplaining is banned from the lan show
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as of this moment because there's two men talking so it's
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no that's not why it's banned it's banned because it's ridiculous um okay
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so see how you explain to me that it's ridiculous okay dad's planning dad's
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playing is allowed no it's not come on we're not all dads
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so so i was going through this with my son
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and he goes um i said okay we've got to be at school or
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somewhere i forget where i was talking about but we've got to be there at at 8
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50. and he goes oh okay
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so but we have the half of the rest of the hour until nine or so 10 days versus
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12 days yeah he figured we were using like a base 10 system
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uh for time and i kind of went uh uh no okay actually not so so there are things
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about time that are complicated even if you're looking at the numbers but i'm
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just talking about the reading of it i feel like we've gotten off topic a
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little bit here so bezel-less displays the apple watch
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we want to talk about the i'm not excited about
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because it doesn't have an always on display and
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apple can sell me another watch like you know sos with just your watch it's
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pretty cool um not needing to be able to get at your phone or even have it with you all cool
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stuff but i'm not buying another one until
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they give me and always on display okay all right what's the next what's
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the next product that they had um what did i mean did they update safari or
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something let's just get them eaten potatoes um
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no no no hold on uh what what oh right apple's new headquarters
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the design the design looks great i thought the
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keynote from the steve jobs theater was absolutely gorgeous also have you seen
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their new stores the town center center or town hall or
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what was it town town center okay center it's just we're not you know what forget
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it let's let's just not talk about it we're not going to talk about it from the west we're not going to talk about
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the iphone at all let's talk about the new concept for apple's retail store and
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sorry i almost called it a store it's not a store
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it's a town center because this is going to be a place where people go
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to gather and teach each other and learn
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from each other and interact with each other that's right where where they're
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actually apple is bringing it full circle okay they took us an interaction
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they took us from talking to each other like this to talking to each other
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like this when we're in the same room that's not how you use a phone and now
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they're bringing us back to talking like this about this are you sure they are
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yeah that's what it's all about it doesn't
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matter you know how many bezels are on it
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we just want to connect with each other and that
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that is what apple's enabling that's malarkey for the uninitiated
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this is what's happening they are at least internally calling their stores the apple store is
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now called oh man twitch twitch chat it's like Linus stop the apple stop
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center no stop or town square town square sorry
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whatever it's called question question the first do they expect
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the public to refer to them that way
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i would say keep dreaming but uh apple people apple people man i mean they'll
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do it they're gonna do it you can get them to call it a magic mouse if you can
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get them to call something a magic mouse then i think you can get them i want to
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see someone who has a bad experience i'll be mad about it and still call it
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that way so i went to the apple town square today and the geniuses there
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totally sucked so they have to call the mayor because he's the only one that knows what's going on there
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i assume it goes all the way and the manager is called the mayor now
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maybe uh an everyday zombie
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says can you stop wandsplaining right now
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what a whanner okay i like that i like that that's pretty good appletown mayor
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mayor yes um
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okay okay fine so that was your first question the answer honestly i'm i'm
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actually gonna go with no i don't think anyone is gonna start
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calling it like you can get people to call it apple
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store because that's what it is yep it's
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a store where you buy apples no wait it's not
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they can do anything second question are they gonna change
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the sign
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okay so i actually didn't look that closely at the
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designs for these
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but if i had to guess like i don't even think here hold on a second apple town
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town square here we go uh let's let's get some images up here because if i had
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to guess i would say they probably would just have an apple logo
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that would be my guess yeah so look yeah i think i think that's where that's a
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rectangle okay no no
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oh shut up um i'm not it's not even if
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you stand on the corner can you call it the house this this town square here
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just has like an apple logo this is clearly an exceptional example that's
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outdoor it's literally a plaza no that's like the idea though but most apple
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stores are in malls that's true but i think the idea behind
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some of these town squares is that they're actually like acquiring
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um like what was this building that they said i think they said they bought like
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some historic building in like italy or some crap like this thing
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they're gonna have their flagship stores
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yeah see but but here it doesn't say apple store it's just an apple logo
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but they are changing the design of the retail space to facilitate some kind of
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human interaction yeah and they're planning to bring in actual experts on things
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although they were saying that this new position they've created like creative
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something will be to creatives what the genius is to whatever and i'm kind of
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like well if it's a genius then like if if we're creating an analog for
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geniuses then my expectations are fairly low
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um ouch apparently it was in france
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europe somewhere why don't we go with that um okay so
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what was your second question i don't remember talking about the sign yeah
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are they actually expecting people to talk to each other in there because you don't you go in there and you look at
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the apple stuff that you want to look at and you still don't talk to other humans
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who are just shopping in there well here's here's a question though you're explaining
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you're apple shopper explaining right now because i don't think you've ever
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actually walked into an apple store and bought something oh except for that time
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that you wanted to get a red iphone to make a video and i went to the mall and
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i was the one who bought that red iphone and brought it back to the office
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yeah but you didn't buy it okay i didn't go through like the
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shopping you handed over company money to walk out of the store with something
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for company use in and out in two minutes yes um so
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as someone who is not cult of apple can
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you really cult of apple splain to people who are apple shoppers
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so like normal cult of apple people they go in there they rub shoulders
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like a collective boner or giddiness about how sweet apple is and they kind
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of like they experience the products they look up at each other eyes mean
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they're like are you seeing this this is so sick is that the idea here i don't
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know actually i'm not i'm much of an apple shopper either
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so you don't need someone apples okay all right let's let's let's stop with
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the let's stop with the blue balls we'll talk about the phone iphone 8
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shockingly iterative um to me 7s you can
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tell i don't understand why they called it eight
27:27
the only reason that i can think of is that this is a gradual phase out of
27:35
having because right now they've got what they've got the essie which isn't
27:39
numbered at all right then they've got the iphone number
27:44
then they've got the iphone we skipped a number and it's 10 now for some reason
27:49
because 10th anniversary and it's not a numeral so if i had to guess well they
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called it 10 no yeah yeah but it's a roman numeral 10. yeah it's not like a a
27:57
one zero so it's clearly separate so if i had to guess what they're doing is
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they are changing the lineup so that the regular
28:06
numbers um are just going to be the replacement
28:10
for what an se would have been and we're going to get no 8s we're just
28:14
going gonna get a nine and we're going to be using that same
28:19
body design that we've had since the six we're going to be using that like kind
28:23
of for a bit on the value option yeah okay
28:27
and then that gives them one more generation to kind of get people used to
28:32
this idea and it buys them then two full
28:35
years for OLED panels to get more reasonable so that they can bring the
28:40
x x i and 12 like like this this more premium
28:46
design so they can bring that
28:49
into the kinds of price points that they want for their step down so the whole
28:53
lineup is going to look like x i
28:57
and then last gen x so that'll be your top of the line and
29:01
then your step down and then you're going to have the
29:05
kind of the the cheapo line is going to be the nine
29:09
and like the se or something like that i'll call it nine
29:12
i i i think maybe give it a new name just like s u yeah or they might do away
29:16
with numbers entirely and so they might have like an se and then like something
29:20
else entirely and basically i think they're starting over at x
29:24
or that line extension's huge though or
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what if it's just iphone x i don't think that's gonna be the case because on the
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iphone they still haven't done it they still haven't gone no this is just the
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you want one okay but but then why would they do that on the macbook
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why would they do it on the macbook pro why do they just call it macbook pro
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every time see apple tv i don't know but
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then but then they went and they broke the system they called it the apple tv
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there's absolutely no way that that's not painful
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worse now than it's been i'm suffering now it gets you oh let me
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tell you the suffering hasn't just begun i'm aware
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i have diarrhea every day anyway can we talk about the NVIDIA
36:43
uh the rumor that they're working on no no i'm not done with the iphone 8 yet oh
36:48
we haven't even talked about the x or 10 rather i want to talk about it's better
36:51
okay so the 8 is super iterative whatever it's got slightly better kind
36:55
of everything um the 10.
36:59
i hate the speaker and face
37:02
face detection face id cutout what's the speaker
37:08
that's that cutout at the top oh that thing i don't mind that
37:13
when you're watching videos on that though come on
37:17
have you seen have you seen what it looks like when you're watching a video on it yeah it's
37:22
got like a little cut out yeah i don't mind it it's horrible
37:26
i mean i might get used to it really fast in my review i might be like you
37:31
know what this is fine it's totally cool forget it
37:35
um but i love touch id
37:40
i'm actually super the opposite of stoked that we're getting rid of touch
37:44
id agreed um
37:48
i think that getting into uh getting into where's the um
37:52
where's that article that you brought up um thanks bixby bixby is activated right
37:57
now uh i think she's trying to help where the there's where's that article
38:02
that you brought up thanks bixby bixby's activated right now
38:06
that we're getting into where there's where's that article that you brought up thanks bixby bixby's active change
38:10
products we're getting into where there's worse that article that you brought up a
38:14
reminder to give james a raise
38:18
it working that you brought up time to give james rays
38:23
actually we need to unlock the phone fixed views on my phone
38:26
all right bixby's with you um okay so where's that uh
38:31
okay so aside from okay
38:35
so they claim face id is more secure but senator al franken has actually
38:41
questioned apple about the security of
38:44
their face id and has raised some fairly interesting
38:50
points here namely so apple has stated that all face
38:54
print data will be stored locally on an individual's device as opposed to being
38:58
sent to the cloud so is it currently
39:01
possible either remotely or through physical access to the device for either
39:04
apple or a third party to extract and obtain usable face print data from the
39:09
iphone 10. is there any foreseeable reason why
39:12
apple would decide to begin storing such data remotely apple has stated it used
39:16
more than one billion images in developing the face id algorithm where
39:20
did these one billion face images come from that's less relevant to me
39:24
really you don't think that's interesting
39:27
it could be but the answer could be very mundane it
39:30
could be shutter stock it could be just public images of
39:34
facebook where would you get a billion images of faces the internet
39:37
well yeah the whole internet yeah but then how would you guarantee
39:42
that you have the rights to use it because the whole terms of service where
39:47
you can collect non-personally identifying information the thing that
39:50
people like usually agree to is that it's not supposed to be personally
39:53
identifying your face is by definition personally identifying
39:59
what steps did apple take to ensure its system was trained on a diverse set of
40:02
faces in terms of race gender and age how are they protecting against racial
40:06
gender or age bias in face id
40:09
in the unveiling of the iphone 10 apple made numerous assurances about the
40:13
accuracy and sophistication please describe again all the steps that happen
40:17
it didn't work to ensure that face id can distinguish an individual's face
40:21
from a photograph or mask for example i would love
40:25
to do that maybe like a death mask
40:28
and then like i don't know exactly how we do it i
40:32
would love to have a Linus mask
40:35
can i uh if we make one for the video okay no you
40:39
can't have it no you're never gonna use it yet that is so weird
40:43
strawball if we made it while you watch
40:49
you can't drop f-bombs you could say that okay if we had one in the merch
40:53
store we have to draw the line somewhere how many people will be honest for
40:57
halloween we all know i wasn't gonna stop saying weird sexual stuff so
41:02
okay at least that can go over somebody's head whereas f-bombs are just half-bombs yeah see
41:08
um the answer is yes yes i would it would enhance the experience can apple confirm
41:13
that it has no plans to use face print data for any purpose other than the
41:16
operation of face id these are all good questions um the biggest one for me is
41:21
is face id really going to be more convenient
41:24
than touch id and that's one that i'm having some trouble with because they
41:29
did show they did show it operating not directly staring at the phone which
41:33
is the biggest issue i have right now with iris id by the time i like go like
41:38
this and i i swear probably a good 40 to 50 percent of the time i use it i'm like
41:43
that's cash you don't want playing around with it um
41:46
a lot of the time it would be faster for me to just key in a pin cause
41:50
fingerprint unlock on the back of your device which your iphone people aren't
41:53
used to you can unlock that sucker while it's still in your pocket and you bring
41:57
it to your face it's already there so you're saying that they demonstrated
42:01
this thing ended up two singles it can already be unlocking before it's even
42:05
right they had it sitting on the desk like they were simulating the you know
42:08
i'm being a rude jackass at dinner
42:12
experience where it was sitting on the desk right there you got to be a spicy
42:16
one no no this is the this is the lamo stuff
42:19
i've done the spicy one on stream before i've had enough um not to not today
42:25
today's been a long week i'll do it again but you know
42:29
i i just don't feel like it today so
42:33
iphone 10 what is there to say really
42:36
i think one last comment is that the bezel-lessness
42:40
of this samsung galaxy s8 is way better
42:45
what do you think having not held a 10. having not held a
42:49
10 it's not bezel-less it's just as thin
42:52
bezels i agree
42:56
um with that said there are times when the infinity edge does interfere with me
43:00
reaching across the screen i do have pretty small hands but on the s8 in
43:04
particular it's not nearly as bad as it is for me on the note 8
43:08
and i can pretty much work with it i love the idea of the s8 i haven't
43:13
touched an iphone 10 yet but i really like this phone you can imagine a screen
43:18
that looks like that and is curved and bezel-less like that yeah but the curved
43:23
edge actually doesn't register touch at all yeah like what if there was
43:27
a not visible but haptic bezel a haptic bezel a haptic thing you know what i
43:32
mean probably a matter of time i mean as soon as apple sees someone else build
43:35
some stupid weird squeeze engine they're probably thinking wow that's like almost
43:40
smart except if they'd done it with uh force touch or 3d touch then it would be
43:44
way better yoink booyah yeah i'm really surprised i thought the
43:48
10 was gonna be a knock off of the edge but maybe that was too far for apple for
43:52
even apple what do you think um
43:56
no i wouldn't have expected that i i
44:00
i honestly nothing about it really surprised me the only thing that
44:03
surprised and or disappointed me was that we didn't end up
44:07
with a touch id sensor under the screen because if it had face id and touch id
44:12
through the screen but is it because they failed to do it properly that's the rumor yeah here's
44:17
another question for you samsung is a bottleneck on their
44:20
kick OLED displays samsung is making their displays i'm
44:25
sure apple claims to i'm sure in the keynote they said that this is the best
44:28
display you can get on a phone is it the case that samsung also has
44:33
those exact displays or is there like an exclusivity
44:36
clause that apple has the rights to that display even though samsung's one making
44:40
it funny you bring that up the issue with samsung's displays the thing that
44:43
makes them not as good as apples is that samsung intentionally
44:47
craps all over them that's the issue you mean to get other gains
44:52
like they sacrifice something for something else well they they go bad they go full best buy
44:57
uh crank the vividness um
45:02
mode on it and it's something that i i
45:05
just i don't think there's any way they're going to stop doing it is that
45:09
an asian sensibility versus american sensibility
45:13
i don't know it's a it's a hard thing to
45:16
it's a hard thing to say because especially given how much research all of these
45:22
multinationals do on the localization of a product for a
45:26
given region i would have to think that if it was something that
45:30
you know americans liked to have color accurate
45:34
displays i would have to imagine that other phone makers would also tune the
45:38
displays differently for different regions um okay so this is interesting
45:42
apparently craig for uh uh sorry
45:48
apparently craig federighi uh did
45:51
go on the record with techcrunch uh answering some burning questions about
45:55
face id so i don't have time to read the whole thing but
45:59
basically apple does not even have a way to give your your face id to law
46:02
enforcement they never take possession of the data anonymized or otherwise
46:06
uh it's all in the secure enclave uh et cetera et cetera et cetera local um
46:12
yep um
46:17
they've discussed a two-factor authentication so that you could
46:20
actually force the phone to require both
46:23
face id and a pin you know when you be pretty like a taste from earlier i just
46:28
basically had fire in my mouth for a second like like lava just dragon dragon
46:32
style just like just lava
46:35
magma do you need me for something two minutes to take a picture wow so
46:39
this is only your second time on lan show and you're gonna have to tackle a
46:42
topic all on your own technically it's my third can you handle not screwing
46:47
this up probably not probably not okay you wanna do the 1070 ti
46:51
i'm pretty loose right now all right let's do it all right hit it uh let's
46:55
see where's the original article from
46:58
dang it james damn it bobby
47:02
oh well okay yeah attack power up dang it james
47:08
dale
47:14
i don't know if you guys could hear that but nick just did an awesome impression of the theme song to king of the hill
47:18
yeah i don't know if we're allowed to play that so it's just as well head over to youtube and watch a 24-hour live
47:22
stream of king of the hill episodes worth it okay we shouldn't be promoting yeah
47:26
we're not promoting piracy okay you are crossing so many lines james i am
47:31
kicking you off the land show no actually i need you to cover for me on the way
47:34
so here's the original uh thank you Linus original article there on tech
47:39
power up okay i'll be right back so the basic deal is
47:43
the rumor has it that NVIDIA is working on a new release of
47:48
probably my favorite graphics card the gtx 1070.
47:53
it really hits a price performance sweet spot and there's gonna be a new one
47:58
coming out we're not sure if they're gonna call it 1070 tie or ti
48:02
or if it's just gonna be an unnamed refresh because that's what they've done in the past
48:06
for example they did a
48:11
let me look at my notes there's a refresh in the past where
48:14
instead of changing the name they just put on the branding on the box
48:18
what the new specs are
48:23
so the 1080 and the 1060 both refresh
48:26
without name changes um the gtx 1060 six Gigabyte for example is
48:31
refreshed so the reason that NVIDIA i'm talking to
48:35
nobody here and it just feels awkward the reason that they're gonna do this
48:38
refresh is because you come sit with me
48:42
is because of vega because the new rx vega cards sit right in
48:47
between gtx 1070s and 1080s and so
48:51
since NVIDIA can they might as well just release a card that just sits right
48:55
beside that vega now we're so close i feel like we should ks
49:00
ah Linus please things are getting weird on the lan show oh man that's like
49:05
that's saying but i go away for like literally two minutes yeah when garth
49:09
stallone is out of wayne's world falls apart the WAN Show may not know that
49:14
Linus hasn't really even seen wayne's i've seen lane's world but you don't care about it i've seen it once you
49:18
can't quote it a long time ago then you haven't seen it i know something about
49:22
party time excellent um a lot of the time when we're writing
49:26
scripts references that are shared between us are like the body like the
49:30
essence of the humor like the fact that we're both south park fans comes up a
49:33
lot and i'm always going for wayne's world references and he doesn't get them and
49:37
it's just like i just every time just melt
49:41
it's not that funny it's basically an
49:45
snl skit stretched out for way too long like if i
49:49
recall correctly the plot is just a name please go
49:53
you're gonna tell me you're gonna tell me you also like the cable guy i bet uh
49:57
that one i haven't watched since childhood okay as a child when it came out
50:03
i literally walked out of that movie
50:06
your parents said where are you going well i was watching it with my grandma actually she was sleeping you're just
50:10
peace go to the arcade grandma see ya it was it was
50:15
that bad and i know that i'm probably taking some flack
50:18
in twitch chat right now but cable guy was an
50:23
awful awful movie
50:26
um okay what about the scene where they're at that medieval times restaurant and they're fighting he's
50:30
doing that star trek theme song
50:35
that's classic
50:38
no next time it was not funny not funny at all next um
50:43
why is everybody talking about rick and morty because it's probably saying it's
50:47
better than south park it's not better than south park i mean
50:50
rick and morty has a couple episodes
50:53
where i feel like they've made some sort of like
50:57
some sort of social commentary approaching the depth of an average
51:00
south park episode but maybe social commentary is not the forte but maybe
51:05
it's not but i mean how do you so you're saying it's apples oranges i'm saying
51:08
it's totally apples to oranges i think they're compared because they have an
51:12
overlapping fan base like types of people who like southwark are the types
51:15
of people who like rico yeah but i would say there's a lot of the types of people
51:18
who like both of them that probably don't really get either of them ah word
51:22
so um are you ransplaining right now
51:26
no i don't think so i don't think i'm not insulting rick and morty i i i
51:31
really like like lick and morty rick and rorty
51:36
um no i i really like rick and morty i just i don't think it's comparable to
51:39
south park at all i mean the other thing too is it's
51:43
basically in its infancy i mean if you go back and look at season one of south
51:47
park season one of rick and morty kind of stomps all over it season one of
51:50
south park is mostly toilet humor
51:53
whereas by the time they hit sort of season three to season six is golden age
51:58
for sure yep six seven i mean
52:01
that stuff started to get really really good um i mean rick and morty's only on
52:07
their third season right now so and i thought honestly i thought the last
52:10
episode was probably the best one of the
52:13
series so far in terms of actually having a meaning that's deeper than um
52:18
you know i'm i'm a silly scientist and i burp
52:22
when i talk and you know scary stuff happens or whatever
52:26
i thought the the episode with the
52:30
citadel i thought the episode sort of looking at life on the citadel was
52:33
really interesting it kind of
52:36
you can kind of see that they weren't necessarily really expecting much in the
52:41
way of continuity that's also something that i think the show
52:44
both embraces and suffers from that they don't really care that much about the
52:49
citadel being explicitly described as
52:53
the effort of a few thousand ricks the first time that were introduced to it
52:57
and then being expanded a couple seasons later to basically being an entire
53:02
society of ricks and mortys that's you
53:05
know had all these struggles for so long
53:08
oh um oops and have you realized or do you care
53:13
then okay no i don't i don't think anything i said is a spoiler i i won't
53:17
and i won't give you guys any spoilers i mean nothing that i've said will not be obvious within about the first 30
53:21
seconds of the episode so you guys you guys are all good um but
53:26
in my opinion it's the best episode of the show so far
53:30
um anyway carry on it's not pickle rick pickle rick is just kind of goofy like
53:35
if you're if you're into kind of silly humor then pickle rick's a
53:38
great episode but it's one of my least favorite so why don't you tell us why NVIDIA is refreshing the 1070. why
53:43
didn't you just tell people why they're refreshing the 1070.
53:46
yeah pretty much just as a response to vega do you think though that they're going to call it thai or not
53:51
um i wouldn't be surprised if they don't
53:55
if they don't yeah yeah i i just it might just be like because they yeah
53:59
because in the past they've done they they've done it so many other refreshes
54:02
it's something i really don't like it's something that i wish they wouldn't do
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um but again we have apple to blame for all of this crap
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it all comes back to apple just calling their product the same thing over and
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over damn it so
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yeah i don't know i think the idea here is it's gonna
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smash or at least be the same performance as vega but just
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with a lower TDP at a similar price point so why wouldn't
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you get it yep i think that uh i think that NVIDIA could have easily just sat
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on their butts and done nothing about the vega launch because at this point
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they're pretty much just printing money um
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the r d for pascal is so paid for
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um but if they do something then i mean i guess great i mean that's that's what we
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want right we want competition to mean better graphics cards for all
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all right let's talk about some more AMD news der bauer the d-lidding king is
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back he's back with more news i got a little carried
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away there sec i don't get so this was posted on the forum by swatson and the
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original uh the original article is actually a video so let's go ahead and
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fire that up hey roman there you are bud
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so he comes out and he's like hey AMD
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said that the two extra dies on threadripper were
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specifically dummies
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and it turns out that they are not just silicon spacers
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but they are disabled or at least non-functional zeppelin dies that do
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contain transistors why would they lie about this
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this is what i don't get well okay so some people are speculating
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that it could mean that in the future there may be a 32 core Threadripper
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maybe they wanted to just delay that little
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rumor from coming out but it's taken until someone delidded it
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for us to speculate on that i could have speculated no no
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because as puzzled as you are like i've heard speculation about that going back
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to computex before threadripper even launched okay and this is from people in
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the industry which always leaks so it always becomes something that's
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speculated outside the world did they explicitly say that there was no transistors in there yeah they just have
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a different definition of dummy than you do why wouldn't they just no they
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specifically said they were spacers well they are and that they weren't
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failed dyes but if we can see that they contain transistors
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then okay what we don't necessarily know
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what we don't necessarily know is that they are
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exactly so they they did say no working
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transistors so that could
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no you know what no there's no i don't really think there's any way around this
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as far as i can tell
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these are i don't i don't know i don't know what i
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don't know what they are i just what i don't understand is why
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they would come out and say something like that when they could have just said
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yeah they're failed ones
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or they're the f word in your product launch
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yeah but everyone everyone talks like everyone talks about the process of
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binning i think it's fairly well understood within the kind of enthusiast community
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that well Intel already slapped this happens
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Intel already got to be smarmy by saying
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frederick is glued together so they could have said it's just a bunch of
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failed chips glued together yeah but Intel does the same thing i mean this is
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not dab yeah but like it would it would come across really insincere completely
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meaningless because everybody does it so are you confused or are you actually
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just kind of upset okay so i'm just confused did they break your chin
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because here we've got people saying warboy x says if the cores were enabled
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the CPU would have six or eight channel memory also no it wouldn't because the
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socket and the motherboards wouldn't be wired up for it now
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it's possible that AMD was hoped that what they were hoping to achieve was
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that nobody would run out and try to unlock cores
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but then they couldn't possibly have thought that no one at any
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point was going to rip apart one of the dyes once a threadripper failed they
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couldn't possibly have thought that because it is really easy to tell like
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you can see it's visible to the naked eye if you uh okay if you look at the
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video of the 7700k that we or 6700k
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whatever the chip that fell out of the vice when burkle dropped it
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it broke apart you can clearly see
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like the the the cash and the course
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like to it's visible to the naked eye that that's that that's a CPU die
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once the top breaks off you're looking at me but all i can think of right now
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is that my stomach is a cauldron they couldn't have possibly expected people
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to not look at it at some point so
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i don't know this just seems super dumb
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and it's up to us to get answers yeah i mean
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maybe they just didn't want this is a good theory from also from warboy x uh
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maybe they just didn't want people you know
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running threadrippers and epic sockets or vice
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versa maybe they wanted to uh separate their consumer slash prosumer from their
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server i don't know i don't know but i'm
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i guess i'm over it i just don't understand why they wouldn't be
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straightforward about this because they have nothing to gain
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and their credibility to lose there
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and there's a lot of times when you run into stuff like this in the industry
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where it just kind of goes why would you deceive us about this no one could
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possibly care that you were doing it this way like the same way that everyone
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has made cpus since basically the dawn time and by that i mean the last few
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decades because that's as long as we've had cpus
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why not just say yeah we're doing it that way same as use usual unless you
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count the brain what
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bluetooth has been hacked again oh there's more interesting ones
60:21
more interesting ones all right some attack vector Linux
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it's a scary hack though because your bluetooth just has to be on and you can
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get hacked iOS has been immune since 10. google provided device manufacturers
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with a patch last month but it's up to them to push it
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up to like the likes of samsung yeah apparently there are literally billions
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of devices that are compromised yeah but they when
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this has been patched since july so well on Windows okay we're not talking
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about it all right fine what else do you got for
60:52
me you want to talk about hyperloop no it's
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boring ah google offers free repairs to pixel
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owners affected by hurricane harvey now this is the opposite of what we were
61:03
just talking i see this being abused this is an opportunity this is
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low-hanging fruit this is an opportunity for a company at google to get some kick-ass pr during a very hard time for
61:12
lots of americans to say you know what guys free repairs if your phone that's
61:17
not as waterproof as some phones on the market gets damaged in this hurricane
61:20
crisis how many people are gonna take them up
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on that not that many so that is some cheap good pr
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yeah we're talking about it okay
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all right cheap good pr
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um i don't know that this is gonna be entirely good pr but let's have a look
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at the element six
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this is i'm open i'm willing to be convinced the craziest
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case that i've ever seen so this is an
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appearance prototype non-functional prototype that looks like the final
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product uh let's go ahead and skip back over here check this thing out
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i guess i don't like that it looks like a car but that's the idea it doesn't
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look enough like a car though it looks like an abstraction of a car no no no no
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because the finished one will be more like this
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like it has a little grill on it well no it's also got like cutouts for the
62:22
Windows and the windshield like basically this is supposed to be
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like the case that's unlike any other
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case they're trying to merge art and technology yes they're making a case
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that's carbon fiber yes that belongs on the desk of like the ceo
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all of that is awesome i just disagree with the form factor they chose being
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this particular car shape why does it want to look like why it look like a car
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it should just look like some kind of weird form
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if anything you think so like a little carbon fiber blob or something so
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there's kind of the best look that we have at what the finished finish will
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look like what the girls will look like this is done by the singularity
63:08
computers guys if it was anyone else then i'd be like
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yeah that's dumb forget it are they in australia uh yeah
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but these guys know gorgeous
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gorgeous work and these guys if there was anyone
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that i think would actually be able to build something like this
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and make it incredible these guys would be it why is that
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just because they have they have a long history of just building amazing art
63:40
pieces they've only got two backers though so it seems like most people
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agree with you or at least most people with um
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6 000 us dollars that's what the pledge
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is that the minimum pledge that's not the minimum pledge but that's the minimum pledge to get a case
63:56
i did the math they're looking for 148 000 us dollars
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yep i want to sell two that will allow them to to build 24 units so that's like
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6 100 bucks each i mean obviously
64:08
they had to get the expertise they had to build the facility like there's people hours involved
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but they already have it's not like they're gonna retail for six grand eventually they just want to become a
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case manufacturer this will never be retail they're gonna sell them on their site
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oh are they didn't you read my comprehensive show notes
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no i'ma let you in on a little secret you're allowed to give me [ __ ] about
64:28
them poo okay
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poo emoji about them
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so i don't know i uh i i think it's cool
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i don't i okay you know what i actually don't have much of a defense for it
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so this was originally posted by northstorm on the forum
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i think it's cool i think it's different i think it's something different
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definitely and i think that it's good for the industry to see things that are
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different and i hope it succeeds i hope he succeeds too there i do
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all right this one i'm not really sure what i want this puppy on my desk
65:06
tonight this thing's sweet this is another thing i want to watch
65:11
you want to watch i like to watch oh ah
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phillips readies the curved ultra wide
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492 p8 display
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a 49 inch 32 by nine so to be clear this is two of
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them stacked one on top of the other stacked one on top of the other because
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for some reason you would you would want to
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spend twenty two hundred dollars to have
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one bezel rather than a cross of bezels
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um when you could have done it for a fraction of the cost i'd if i were to
65:45
have i just having four displays i'd rather put them side by side and i have to kick it
65:49
no okay as someone who's actually done
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ultra wide eyefinity i can tell you the experience is not as good as you might
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think it's like looking unpleasant looking up
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high although that's probably only the same height as that last tall monitor we
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looked at yeah probably but i don't like it
66:07
this thing is just bizarre um so the original article is
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from a non-tech there it's not quantum dot there's no freesync
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to the refresh rate is unknown it's about a grand and the resolution is uh
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oh of course you oh no there it is 3840
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by 1080. what were you about to say i was about to say that of course the same
66:30
guy who didn't put any any of the specs of the new iphones wouldn't put the
66:34
resolution of a monitor but you did 600 bits brightness is pretty high 5 000
66:38
to 1 contrast i find kind of hard to believe unless this is the that's what they always say our tests never have
66:43
anything close to that maybe a va panel um set to launch in q2 of 2018. we have
66:48
already confirmed we are getting one well all this is to say you missed a
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crucial piece here so we've seen a super ultra ad already from samsung that got
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announced this is actually the same panel samsung is supplying the panel to
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philips okay it's just samsung's is more gamery samsung's is
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144 hertz we don't know the refresh rate of this one yet samsung's quantum
67:08
quantum dot and all these other expensive features this is the value one
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exactly so if you're not a gamer if you just want to look at the stock for
67:14
working shmo who needs 49 inches of display yeah for your
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average joe who still has a thousand bucks but not 1500 bucks
67:24
this is it all right fair enough
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all right so i think that pretty much does it for uh the WAN Show for this
67:31
week thanks guys for tuning in thanks james for coming on for the last time
67:35
and uh we will see you guys again next week same bat time same bat channel
67:41
can you at least go the rest of the show without dropping any f-bombs
67:45
frank fairly fern gully fire truck oh by the way the calendar
67:49
we're making the calendar sexy time men of tech calendar no come on
67:57
you camera crazy guy that monitor's not
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coming out until next summer by the way next summer yeah no this is q2 2018. oh
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i know but we're getting one apparently the WAN Show twitch chat is
68:09
terrible i really don't know what does that mean what do
68:13
you mean by that what this person was expecting oh just someone posted on the
68:16
forum the lan show twitch chat is terrible but in what way i don't know
68:19
everyone thinks they're hilarious like it's a spammy yeah i guess it
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no