WEBVTT 00:00:01.280 --> 00:00:07.600 and we're live welcome to the WAN Show 00:00:05.440 --> 00:00:13.280 your weekly analysis 00:00:09.519 --> 00:00:16.480 and news and uh who am i kidding we just 00:00:13.280 --> 00:00:18.960 goof around on friday afternoons and for 00:00:16.480 --> 00:00:22.800 some reason you guys like to watch because you're weird like that 00:00:21.520 --> 00:00:27.359 i like to watch yeah who doesn't 00:00:25.359 --> 00:00:32.160 what are you doing we've got a lot of great topics for you guys today 00:00:29.599 --> 00:00:38.559 but rather than tell you about them i'm gonna pick all the most boring ones so 00:00:35.040 --> 00:00:41.280 that i can razz james about it in person 00:00:38.559 --> 00:00:46.800 i don't make the news man okay this headline 00:00:43.680 --> 00:00:49.920 weird case from kickstarter that Linus 00:00:46.800 --> 00:00:51.120 likes okay first and foremost 00:00:49.920 --> 00:00:55.360 just because i like something that doesn't make it weird 00:00:53.600 --> 00:00:59.280 i like to watch i like to watch for example you like to watch too is it 00:00:57.120 --> 00:01:01.680 weird that if we both like it well no 00:01:00.239 --> 00:01:06.479 i don't like this case that's why it's weird it's weird that you like it 00:01:04.960 --> 00:01:11.439 i didn't i didn't get it maybe you can walk us through you can show everyone the case you can tell us why all right i 00:01:09.680 --> 00:01:14.960 don't think it's that weird i think some of you guys are okay i don't think all 00:01:13.040 --> 00:01:18.240 of you guys are going to want to pay for it because 00:01:16.240 --> 00:01:21.920 that's a whole other matter but i do think you guys will think it's pretty 00:01:19.680 --> 00:01:25.040 cool uh what else we've got have we got for boring news this week scroll to the 00:01:23.759 --> 00:01:33.119 bottom i usually put the boring stuff on the bottom i don't know this is pretty boring bluetooth hacked again it's scary 00:01:30.240 --> 00:01:37.680 it's scary but in like a boring way like bluetooth has to be the most mundane 00:01:35.280 --> 00:01:42.240 boring thing on the face of the earth the the boringness to cool name ratio is 00:01:40.320 --> 00:01:48.079 high though okay bluetooth is a pretty good name oh facebook to open a new ai 00:01:46.000 --> 00:01:55.759 lab in montreal oh oh you like the canadian stuff oh 00:01:52.079 --> 00:01:57.680 man oh google chrome lets you mute okay 00:01:55.759 --> 00:02:01.200 that's pretty cool okay that that's pretty cool that one's at the very 00:01:58.880 --> 00:02:07.840 bottom you don't even know what good news is best for last that's that's not 00:02:03.840 --> 00:02:10.239 what you said prove it this is live 00:02:07.840 --> 00:02:14.720 there's an archive all right fine you picked two new topics 00:02:12.480 --> 00:02:17.920 cool ones okay this is probably one that you 00:02:16.000 --> 00:02:21.200 normally wouldn't even read but it's possible that in the near future you 00:02:19.760 --> 00:02:25.760 might be able to charge your electric car in five minutes 00:02:24.080 --> 00:02:30.720 i can charge my electric car in five minutes now you have one life it's a 00:02:27.920 --> 00:02:35.040 little one like this what else you got hit me again that was 00:02:32.720 --> 00:02:40.560 terrible there's gonna be a new gtx 1070. okay you know what i think 00:02:37.920 --> 00:02:43.440 my attempts to read boring news are still more interesting than your 00:02:41.920 --> 00:02:47.840 attempts to read what you think is the best news this is where we have a 00:02:45.440 --> 00:02:50.800 disconnect james every week Linus puts in 00:02:48.879 --> 00:02:54.239 to the document before i get to it his picks of things that pop up out to him 00:02:52.879 --> 00:02:58.959 during the week they pop out he puts them to make sure they're in the show the top one this week 00:02:57.120 --> 00:03:04.480 the fact that the that the video card guy left AMD 00:03:01.920 --> 00:03:08.879 that is sort of a big deal he just went he's taking one quarter off 00:03:06.800 --> 00:03:12.959 he's taking a long christmas break he's back in january he's gonna be out for 00:03:10.800 --> 00:03:16.239 three months okay okay this is so over let me put let me put it this way 00:03:14.800 --> 00:03:21.200 you know what fine we'll come back to this after the break first the intro 00:03:20.080 --> 00:03:25.519 yes the answer that questions yes 00:03:23.280 --> 00:03:29.920 no there's music right now no they can hear us still they can it's just 00:03:27.519 --> 00:03:35.519 annoying don't do that you're too new to the show 00:03:33.120 --> 00:03:38.400 to be annoying see luke gets away with it ah 00:03:38.640 --> 00:03:43.200 i like to test the boundaries 00:03:41.840 --> 00:03:46.720 do you like to watch other people test their boundaries 00:03:45.360 --> 00:03:50.319 are we allowed to talk about stuff like this while we put the sponsor logos on 00:03:48.879 --> 00:03:54.239 the screen synergy 00:03:52.080 --> 00:03:57.519 all right okay 00:03:55.440 --> 00:04:01.599 you pick no we're going we're going right into the Radeon technologies group 00:03:59.439 --> 00:04:05.680 thing okay so i'm gonna open up with i completely 00:04:03.760 --> 00:04:08.640 disagree with you and then i'm gonna let you go ahead and make your argument 00:04:06.879 --> 00:04:14.959 actually no i'm gonna open up with what the actual news is so the original 00:04:10.959 --> 00:04:16.400 article here was um actually from 00:04:14.959 --> 00:04:20.720 uh yong yong kang posted it on the forum here 00:04:18.720 --> 00:04:26.160 we'll go ahead and pull that up and basically just said well that's odd 00:04:23.440 --> 00:04:30.080 raja so you might remember him as the tiger in aladdin the uh 00:04:28.320 --> 00:04:35.199 no you might remember him as the gentleman 00:04:31.919 --> 00:04:37.199 who dropped the rx 480 back when it 00:04:35.199 --> 00:04:41.520 launched that wasn't me i was just present he was the one who dropped it 00:04:38.960 --> 00:04:46.960 that's where you caught it from um and he came back to AMD 00:04:44.880 --> 00:04:52.479 right around the time that they launched their hawaii gpus so that was the 290x 00:04:50.720 --> 00:04:59.040 and the 290. and vega has basically been his baby 00:04:57.040 --> 00:05:07.199 since then and he is going on a break 00:05:02.320 --> 00:05:12.000 until the end of q4 so the start of 2018 00:05:07.199 --> 00:05:14.479 and dr lisa sue ceo of AMD so she's so 00:05:12.000 --> 00:05:17.680 he's been running Radeon technologies group which was split off from AMD 00:05:16.479 --> 00:05:22.639 proper so they're going okay this is a CPU side this is the GPU side in an 00:05:20.000 --> 00:05:27.680 attempt to make it easier for the CPU side of things to work with folks like 00:05:24.800 --> 00:05:31.680 NVIDIA and the GPU side of things to work with folks like Intel okay i'm 00:05:30.080 --> 00:05:37.600 starting to get this so dr sue 00:05:34.080 --> 00:05:40.160 is basically stepping in as now 00:05:37.600 --> 00:05:44.240 the boss and i don't i'll just say boss because i don't technically she was 00:05:41.680 --> 00:05:48.639 already the ceo of it so you can't get more boss than that but she'll be more 00:05:45.840 --> 00:05:51.520 directly overseeing Radeon technologies group 00:05:49.600 --> 00:05:56.320 blurring the line between these two companies in my mind anyway in a way 00:05:54.639 --> 00:06:01.919 and also um what's it called when you go like this 00:06:00.479 --> 00:06:06.560 telegraphing sort of a telegraphing an attack you know oh got 00:06:05.759 --> 00:06:12.800 it yeah so telegraphing sort of uh um in my 00:06:10.560 --> 00:06:16.160 mind potential shift in at least her 00:06:14.880 --> 00:06:22.080 thoughts for how important 00:06:19.120 --> 00:06:26.560 raja is to rtg see i think you're reaching there okay all right make your 00:06:24.479 --> 00:06:29.919 make your argument so he don't let me stop you from making 00:06:28.560 --> 00:06:33.759 your argument but uh yeah okay 00:06:32.160 --> 00:06:36.960 all right so he worked really hard during vega needless to say the guy was 00:06:35.440 --> 00:06:41.120 probably burning the midnight oil for months literally a couple years 00:06:40.319 --> 00:06:45.919 so he sent an internal email to the staff 00:06:44.000 --> 00:06:49.360 thanking everyone for their hard work um 00:06:47.039 --> 00:06:52.800 highlighting how kick-ass the launch has been for epic and 00:06:51.360 --> 00:06:57.919 well not epic but Threadripper and ryzen and all of it 00:06:54.800 --> 00:06:59.199 and vega since that's his his baby so 00:06:57.919 --> 00:07:04.319 he thanked everyone for their hard work and then said quote vega was personally hard on me as 00:07:02.720 --> 00:07:09.120 well and i used up a lot of family credits during this journey i decided to 00:07:06.639 --> 00:07:12.319 take a time off now they can see it they can see it i'm sharing them but they 00:07:10.479 --> 00:07:15.440 like when i read stuff so it was tough on him 00:07:13.759 --> 00:07:18.560 he's taking some time off i don't think that's hard to understand so he 00:07:17.599 --> 00:07:23.120 asked sue when he should take when he should take 00:07:21.120 --> 00:07:27.199 time off and she suggested this last quarter i think he originally 00:07:25.120 --> 00:07:30.960 wanted to go off like in january but there's more product launches then so 00:07:28.560 --> 00:07:34.720 they chose now so i think your theory about how her influence or presence is 00:07:33.039 --> 00:07:38.400 going to muddy the water i don't think that really applies because i think it's a quiet time she's 00:07:37.039 --> 00:07:44.639 not going to have to make that many big decisions i don't think okay it's coasting i don't 00:07:41.680 --> 00:07:50.319 think there's ever a quiet time in the tech industry for one thing and here's 00:07:47.199 --> 00:07:52.400 my counter argument to that 00:07:50.319 --> 00:07:56.720 if i told you that it was in any way 00:07:54.560 --> 00:08:01.440 acceptable for you to be off work for three months 00:08:00.400 --> 00:08:06.400 um unless there was i mean 00:08:04.319 --> 00:08:10.400 and here's the thing you know we don't know about his health 00:08:08.400 --> 00:08:14.160 or his family's health or you know there may be personal 00:08:12.479 --> 00:08:17.840 factors at play so that may be part of why people are 00:08:16.400 --> 00:08:21.520 reading too much into this because they don't have all the information but all i 00:08:20.000 --> 00:08:26.800 can go based on is what i see in front of me and what i 00:08:24.240 --> 00:08:31.680 see in front of me is if i told you james that barring any kind of health 00:08:28.879 --> 00:08:36.240 issues or any kind of family emergency or the birth of a child 00:08:33.839 --> 00:08:38.839 it was cool for you to just not be at work for a few months 00:08:38.080 --> 00:08:43.360 how essential would you feel 00:08:41.440 --> 00:08:47.200 and how essential would i have to feel like you are to 00:08:45.440 --> 00:08:51.120 just be like yeah that's cool you know actually you 00:08:49.040 --> 00:08:55.279 know what would be great is if maybe for the next few months maybe we just didn't 00:08:52.720 --> 00:08:59.200 pay you and you just didn't come to work and then maybe after that you'll come 00:08:57.200 --> 00:09:05.200 back and you know like to me 00:09:01.440 --> 00:09:06.800 this feels more like a slow like like a 00:09:05.200 --> 00:09:12.480 a way to to quietly phase out 00:09:09.440 --> 00:09:14.880 then it feels like a sabbatical 00:09:12.480 --> 00:09:20.240 i could be totally wrong i could be so far off the mark 00:09:17.920 --> 00:09:23.920 that it's not even funny because a lot of what's in here on the 00:09:22.640 --> 00:09:29.360 face of it looks fairly credible 00:09:26.000 --> 00:09:32.160 um you know he's been working real hard 00:09:29.360 --> 00:09:37.760 and his family probably wants to see him and this has been a very long couple to 00:09:35.120 --> 00:09:42.880 few years of his life but 00:09:39.600 --> 00:09:42.880 so why no successor then 00:09:43.040 --> 00:09:52.399 because i don't think raja is that simple 00:09:49.200 --> 00:09:54.959 to introduce a success or two and i 00:09:52.399 --> 00:09:58.560 think this few months gives them time to find somebody 00:09:57.440 --> 00:10:02.800 okay that's my tinfoil hat conspiracy theory 00:10:01.839 --> 00:10:06.480 and i would be singing a totally different 00:10:04.959 --> 00:10:13.279 song right now if vega had absolutely kicked ass 00:10:13.279 --> 00:10:18.079 is that bixby talking to me 00:10:16.399 --> 00:10:21.680 no not bixby it might have been it's bixby but it's for me it might have been 00:10:19.600 --> 00:10:25.360 siri activating yeah they were talking to each other it 00:10:23.360 --> 00:10:29.120 was neither yeah yeah that would be a great video 00:10:27.360 --> 00:10:33.920 bixby would be all eloquent siri just like 00:10:30.800 --> 00:10:36.000 oh wow that would be an amazing video 00:10:33.920 --> 00:10:39.760 like getting them getting them going like seeing if they could start 00:10:38.000 --> 00:10:44.079 activating each other like like that i'm sorry i don't understand could you repeat that like 00:10:42.640 --> 00:10:48.160 that like that prank call when you get one erotic hotline to talk to the other erotic hotline 00:10:46.959 --> 00:10:51.760 and then it takes them like 10 minutes to figure out like no you called me 00:10:50.800 --> 00:10:56.320 you never no i've never heard of that oh that 00:10:54.240 --> 00:11:01.839 sounds great though if for someone who likes to watch i assume you like to 00:10:58.560 --> 00:11:01.839 listen you should look it up 00:11:02.160 --> 00:11:06.880 peter pan versus pizza man that kind of thing that does sound pretty good 00:11:05.920 --> 00:11:09.920 um okay so then 00:11:10.320 --> 00:11:14.959 tin foil hat how many tin foil hats out of ten am i we're doing it now are we 00:11:13.920 --> 00:11:20.480 doing a straw poll is that what you're saying no no i want to hear from you i actually do care what you think uh 00:11:20.640 --> 00:11:25.680 he'll be back he'll be back i'm giving you a credible 00:11:24.720 --> 00:11:31.200 six a six okay like it's not 00:11:28.959 --> 00:11:35.040 that far-fetched okay could be true but i'm just erring on the side of not true 00:11:32.800 --> 00:11:38.079 okay all right all right i can accept that because i lied i don't care what 00:11:36.800 --> 00:11:41.920 you think anyway i think good thoughts 00:11:39.920 --> 00:11:46.079 you only think good i don't i don't think good don't think good thoughts 00:11:44.240 --> 00:11:49.600 all right let's get into our next topic here my uh 00:11:47.760 --> 00:11:54.560 you know i got really next door is this i'm gonna have to oh oh doesn't everyone 00:11:52.079 --> 00:11:58.800 want to know all right we can talk about the iphones 00:11:56.920 --> 00:12:02.640 iphones wait 00:12:00.560 --> 00:12:06.959 is this seriously all the okay so there's a couple issues here number one 00:12:04.480 --> 00:12:10.240 is i'm working on my review of the 4k blade and i'm going to screen share you 00:12:08.720 --> 00:12:15.600 guys on something that i've never seen before this is just 00:12:13.200 --> 00:12:18.639 this is just my chrome right now um 00:12:16.480 --> 00:12:21.200 this is not very usable um it's white privilege 00:12:19.760 --> 00:12:26.320 that's uh manifested that's 00:12:23.279 --> 00:12:29.120 not this is not very helpful um 00:12:26.320 --> 00:12:35.040 and and this this is the other issue this is all the notes i get 00:12:31.519 --> 00:12:36.480 you watch the event i don't you know i 00:12:35.040 --> 00:12:42.000 don't you know what you're gonna say i don't memorize every stupid thing 00:12:39.120 --> 00:12:45.279 oh i need a summary i have things to say you want to say them 00:12:43.519 --> 00:12:50.320 this is new information no i don't remember how many megapixels every every 00:12:48.079 --> 00:12:53.680 camera or all 12 phones oh they're still 12. that hasn't even 00:12:51.600 --> 00:12:57.360 changed okay well i didn't remember that so that's why you 00:12:56.240 --> 00:13:01.360 got me well knew luke i wasn't going to host 00:12:59.839 --> 00:13:06.959 the show with you i was gonna host it with someone cool 00:13:03.120 --> 00:13:08.959 but then we ran out of time saying 00:13:06.959 --> 00:13:13.519 are you implying that i'm hot what oh you're making me very 00:13:11.200 --> 00:13:18.480 uncomfortable right now okay oh okay so this is interesting 00:13:17.519 --> 00:13:22.959 um are you familiar with this senator in particular you recognize that name al 00:13:21.600 --> 00:13:26.639 franken yes he's the coolest senator i think 00:13:24.959 --> 00:13:32.320 he's the guy that rakes people over the coals questions them hard questions 00:13:30.800 --> 00:13:35.760 and he's got some more oh this is this actually looks pretty 00:13:33.839 --> 00:13:40.079 good okay so it's to do with um their face id but anyway let's let's talk 00:13:38.240 --> 00:13:44.399 about see i know i don't have a summary i don't have like a okay next time i do 00:13:42.880 --> 00:13:49.440 need the summary for stuff like this just because i watch the live stream 00:13:46.800 --> 00:13:52.560 doesn't mean i don't need the suffering no i'm 00:13:50.800 --> 00:13:56.320 i'm flying blind here okay so let's talk general impressions um i don't know how 00:13:54.480 --> 00:14:01.600 many of you did tune into the live stream that we did during apple's event 00:13:58.079 --> 00:14:05.199 but ed and i actually streamed live the 00:14:01.600 --> 00:14:06.320 whole time to give you guys sort of a pc 00:14:05.199 --> 00:14:10.880 slash apple fanboy perspective on all of the 00:14:09.040 --> 00:14:15.360 news that they announced the watch looks 00:14:12.880 --> 00:14:19.680 moderately interesting they are taking another step towards the direction that 00:14:17.600 --> 00:14:24.160 i didn't really want to see them go with the apple watch you mean independence 00:14:21.519 --> 00:14:27.040 popular that kind of thing i like okay 00:14:25.120 --> 00:14:34.000 see it's not that i don't like it it's that i think it's a lower priority 00:14:29.279 --> 00:14:34.000 then then always on display 00:14:34.160 --> 00:14:43.199 so every generation they're cramming in more sensors this 00:14:39.519 --> 00:14:45.040 time they're cramming in a sim cardless 00:14:43.199 --> 00:14:48.800 sim so you can have a cellular connection without needing to actually 00:14:47.120 --> 00:14:53.519 put a sim card in it which is really cool and i would be floored if we don't 00:14:51.199 --> 00:14:56.720 see the same technology in every phone moving forward at some point here and 00:14:55.040 --> 00:15:00.560 the thing that's messed about that is that's two devices running off the same 00:14:58.720 --> 00:15:03.920 sim card what is that never happens like you can 00:15:02.320 --> 00:15:09.839 make calls from the phone and then you've got yours no you still you so it's an independent 00:15:07.839 --> 00:15:14.880 activation with the carrier so it has a sim card it's just built 00:15:13.040 --> 00:15:19.920 into the pcb but it's the same phone number 00:15:17.120 --> 00:15:24.000 oh wait you know okay that i hadn't thought about that that's really cool um 00:15:23.040 --> 00:15:29.040 anyway so love the tech 00:15:26.959 --> 00:15:33.120 love the idea of not having to take your phone with you or like even take it out 00:15:31.360 --> 00:15:37.360 all day if you don't do a ton of texting if you just need to like set yourself a 00:15:34.480 --> 00:15:39.839 reminder uh take a call when people call you 00:15:38.160 --> 00:15:42.720 um actually you can place calls from it you can do a lot of stuff 00:15:41.279 --> 00:15:48.720 i just i hate that we aren't making it a watch 00:15:46.480 --> 00:15:53.360 first before it's a computer on your wrist and i feel like every time they 00:15:50.959 --> 00:15:58.240 have an opportunity to throw a marginally bigger battery in it or to to 00:15:56.480 --> 00:16:03.279 not put something extra in it throw a slightly more power efficient processor 00:16:00.079 --> 00:16:05.600 in it and turn on always on display they 00:16:03.279 --> 00:16:09.839 don't they just make it why do you want that more advanced because i don't want 00:16:07.839 --> 00:16:13.360 to have to go like this every time i want to know the time i 00:16:11.600 --> 00:16:16.399 want to be able to like just see what time it is you want to just look down 00:16:14.639 --> 00:16:20.000 without even having to turn the watch yeah i mean you're you wear a watch 00:16:18.160 --> 00:16:25.759 right now yeah people can't see it but like so let's say i'm like this jesus 00:16:24.240 --> 00:16:28.880 you want to just be able to look at it you don't even want to have to tweak it 00:16:27.279 --> 00:16:32.800 no even that why should i have what is that what's just the littlest tweak 00:16:30.320 --> 00:16:35.440 that's stupid what if i'm okay you know okay here's something yeah but the other 00:16:34.000 --> 00:16:39.759 side of that coin is having it on all the time for no reason stupid 00:16:37.680 --> 00:16:42.720 no it's not stupid what if it was dimly on and then if they tweaked it 00:16:41.440 --> 00:16:47.360 it would shine tell you what let's say i didn't have a computer in front of me right now i'm sitting having a 00:16:45.199 --> 00:16:53.199 conversation with someone at a table i want to know what time it is 00:16:49.680 --> 00:16:55.680 this phone with it's always on display 00:16:53.199 --> 00:16:59.680 is a timepiece right there boom convenient 00:16:57.519 --> 00:17:04.799 so convenient i don't have to pick it up and go like this because really 00:17:02.959 --> 00:17:10.000 here's the issue it does time 00:17:07.039 --> 00:17:16.559 almost no better than a phone okay i have to do the exact same stupid 00:17:13.600 --> 00:17:20.559 routine to check the time on my phone as i do on my watch and they're so 00:17:18.640 --> 00:17:25.520 concerned about making it call phones and browse the internet and 00:17:23.600 --> 00:17:30.559 track all of my running and walking and swimming and 00:17:28.079 --> 00:17:35.280 jumping and breathing and heart rate that it they can't 00:17:33.200 --> 00:17:37.520 like that's so reasonable for them to do that though 00:17:36.240 --> 00:17:41.520 because the biggest criticism with the watch is that it doesn't do anything 00:17:40.000 --> 00:17:44.960 so they want to put more things in it for it to do 00:17:43.200 --> 00:17:50.640 is that even the biggest criticism of a watch like it is for me who is well yeah 00:17:47.360 --> 00:17:53.200 but you wear an analog watch you i would 00:17:50.640 --> 00:17:56.480 have created your own biggest complaint why don't you get a casio calculator 00:17:55.039 --> 00:18:00.799 watch then if you want it to do something but it's just small you could 00:17:58.080 --> 00:18:04.640 take boobies on it and be like this noob 00:18:03.280 --> 00:18:09.520 probably you could probably write noob list too i don't think you could know that 00:18:07.200 --> 00:18:13.360 there's no n yeah no n all right do i know numbers 00:18:11.919 --> 00:18:18.160 i'd actually the secret so i don't even know how to tell time on this thing 00:18:16.000 --> 00:18:21.679 what's the secret watches i don't know what this means 00:18:20.000 --> 00:18:27.600 it's two lines down two lines down o'clock i get to go home 00:18:27.600 --> 00:18:33.760 digital age two lines down o'clock 00:18:31.280 --> 00:18:38.000 you know okay i'll confess that reading analog time is not my forte either i'm 00:18:36.559 --> 00:18:42.960 really slow at it like you're counting by five something i'm super slow at it 00:18:40.480 --> 00:18:46.720 like obviously i can do it but it it takes me a minute it's a form of muscle 00:18:44.400 --> 00:18:49.840 memory it's uh it's and you know what it's funny because i think i'm probably 00:18:48.400 --> 00:18:55.440 not the only one like you remember it wasn't that long ago Windows 00:18:52.960 --> 00:18:59.039 had an analog clock when you click the oh that's funny we're in the way there 00:18:56.960 --> 00:19:04.400 we go had an analog clock when you clicked the uh time in the bottom right 00:19:01.120 --> 00:19:05.919 corner no thank you whereas now 00:19:04.400 --> 00:19:11.120 they went digital with it because i think this is just a a skill like 00:19:07.919 --> 00:19:12.480 driving manual that's fading from our 00:19:11.120 --> 00:19:17.039 collective um well it's 00:19:15.280 --> 00:19:21.120 you could you could learn as a toddler to read that way earlier than a analog 00:19:19.679 --> 00:19:24.480 watch there's no secret to it if you know what the number looks like then you 00:19:22.720 --> 00:19:28.160 know how to say just say it out loud yes and no i agree too okay no time is a 00:19:26.559 --> 00:19:31.679 little bit complicated for little kids as someone who has a little kid um and 00:19:30.799 --> 00:19:35.600 has so many so here you man explain me i 00:19:33.919 --> 00:19:41.360 used to be a little kid i know how it goes dad's playing okay 00:19:39.440 --> 00:19:45.840 i'm just joking go ahead please the word mansplaining is banned from the lan show 00:19:44.480 --> 00:19:49.520 as of this moment because there's two men talking so it's 00:19:47.760 --> 00:19:54.160 no that's not why it's banned it's banned because it's ridiculous um okay 00:19:52.480 --> 00:19:58.960 so see how you explain to me that it's ridiculous okay dad's planning dad's 00:19:56.799 --> 00:20:03.200 playing is allowed no it's not come on we're not all dads 00:20:00.480 --> 00:20:06.960 so so i was going through this with my son 00:20:04.000 --> 00:20:10.480 and he goes um i said okay we've got to be at school or 00:20:09.200 --> 00:20:14.640 somewhere i forget where i was talking about but we've got to be there at at 8 00:20:13.280 --> 00:20:19.679 50. and he goes oh okay 00:20:17.120 --> 00:20:23.840 so but we have the half of the rest of the hour until nine or so 10 days versus 00:20:21.840 --> 00:20:28.880 12 days yeah he figured we were using like a base 10 system 00:20:26.080 --> 00:20:34.480 uh for time and i kind of went uh uh no okay actually not so so there are things 00:20:31.600 --> 00:20:37.280 about time that are complicated even if you're looking at the numbers but i'm 00:20:36.000 --> 00:20:41.600 just talking about the reading of it i feel like we've gotten off topic a 00:20:39.360 --> 00:20:45.760 little bit here so bezel-less displays the apple watch 00:20:44.080 --> 00:20:49.200 we want to talk about the i'm not excited about 00:20:47.520 --> 00:20:53.520 because it doesn't have an always on display and 00:20:50.799 --> 00:20:56.720 apple can sell me another watch like you know sos with just your watch it's 00:20:55.600 --> 00:21:01.360 pretty cool um not needing to be able to get at your phone or even have it with you all cool 00:21:00.320 --> 00:21:06.080 stuff but i'm not buying another one until 00:21:03.919 --> 00:21:10.480 they give me and always on display okay all right what's the next what's 00:21:08.240 --> 00:21:13.760 the next product that they had um what did i mean did they update safari or 00:21:12.080 --> 00:21:18.480 something let's just get them eaten potatoes um 00:21:15.520 --> 00:21:22.960 no no no hold on uh what what oh right apple's new headquarters 00:21:21.679 --> 00:21:27.200 the design the design looks great i thought the 00:21:25.200 --> 00:21:31.919 keynote from the steve jobs theater was absolutely gorgeous also have you seen 00:21:30.320 --> 00:21:37.120 their new stores the town center center or town hall or 00:21:34.880 --> 00:21:40.320 what was it town town center okay center it's just we're not you know what forget 00:21:38.960 --> 00:21:45.039 it let's let's just not talk about it we're not going to talk about it from the west we're not going to talk about 00:21:42.480 --> 00:21:49.679 the iphone at all let's talk about the new concept for apple's retail store and 00:21:47.760 --> 00:21:53.440 sorry i almost called it a store it's not a store 00:21:50.799 --> 00:21:59.520 it's a town center because this is going to be a place where people go 00:21:56.400 --> 00:22:01.200 to gather and teach each other and learn 00:21:59.520 --> 00:22:06.000 from each other and interact with each other that's right where where they're 00:22:03.919 --> 00:22:10.799 actually apple is bringing it full circle okay they took us an interaction 00:22:08.880 --> 00:22:16.080 they took us from talking to each other like this to talking to each other 00:22:13.840 --> 00:22:20.559 like this when we're in the same room that's not how you use a phone and now 00:22:18.000 --> 00:22:24.159 they're bringing us back to talking like this about this are you sure they are 00:22:23.120 --> 00:22:27.440 yeah that's what it's all about it doesn't 00:22:26.480 --> 00:22:33.280 matter you know how many bezels are on it 00:22:31.120 --> 00:22:36.240 we just want to connect with each other and that 00:22:34.480 --> 00:22:40.159 that is what apple's enabling that's malarkey for the uninitiated 00:22:38.720 --> 00:22:45.280 this is what's happening they are at least internally calling their stores the apple store is 00:22:43.200 --> 00:22:49.840 now called oh man twitch twitch chat it's like Linus stop the apple stop 00:22:47.679 --> 00:22:54.640 center no stop or town square town square sorry 00:22:52.559 --> 00:23:01.120 whatever it's called question question the first do they expect 00:22:57.120 --> 00:23:01.120 the public to refer to them that way 00:23:01.360 --> 00:23:07.280 i would say keep dreaming but uh apple people apple people man i mean they'll 00:23:06.000 --> 00:23:12.159 do it they're gonna do it you can get them to call it a magic mouse if you can 00:23:10.000 --> 00:23:16.480 get them to call something a magic mouse then i think you can get them i want to 00:23:13.600 --> 00:23:20.159 see someone who has a bad experience i'll be mad about it and still call it 00:23:18.320 --> 00:23:24.159 that way so i went to the apple town square today and the geniuses there 00:23:22.720 --> 00:23:30.640 totally sucked so they have to call the mayor because he's the only one that knows what's going on there 00:23:28.799 --> 00:23:34.840 i assume it goes all the way and the manager is called the mayor now 00:23:33.679 --> 00:23:41.200 maybe uh an everyday zombie 00:23:38.240 --> 00:23:45.760 says can you stop wandsplaining right now 00:23:43.200 --> 00:23:50.559 what a whanner okay i like that i like that that's pretty good appletown mayor 00:23:48.400 --> 00:23:53.200 mayor yes um 00:23:51.679 --> 00:23:57.280 okay okay fine so that was your first question the answer honestly i'm i'm 00:23:55.280 --> 00:24:00.960 actually gonna go with no i don't think anyone is gonna start 00:23:59.760 --> 00:24:06.000 calling it like you can get people to call it apple 00:24:02.880 --> 00:24:07.919 store because that's what it is yep it's 00:24:06.000 --> 00:24:12.080 a store where you buy apples no wait it's not 00:24:09.440 --> 00:24:15.840 they can do anything second question are they gonna change 00:24:13.440 --> 00:24:15.840 the sign 00:24:16.559 --> 00:24:23.600 okay so i actually didn't look that closely at the 00:24:20.559 --> 00:24:26.559 designs for these 00:24:23.600 --> 00:24:31.760 but if i had to guess like i don't even think here hold on a second apple town 00:24:29.440 --> 00:24:35.200 town square here we go uh let's let's get some images up here because if i had 00:24:33.440 --> 00:24:39.760 to guess i would say they probably would just have an apple logo 00:24:37.840 --> 00:24:43.200 that would be my guess yeah so look yeah i think i think that's where that's a 00:24:41.279 --> 00:24:47.600 rectangle okay no no 00:24:44.400 --> 00:24:48.960 oh shut up um i'm not it's not even if 00:24:47.600 --> 00:24:53.919 you stand on the corner can you call it the house this this town square here 00:24:51.520 --> 00:24:57.919 just has like an apple logo this is clearly an exceptional example that's 00:24:55.840 --> 00:25:02.159 outdoor it's literally a plaza no that's like the idea though but most apple 00:25:00.480 --> 00:25:06.559 stores are in malls that's true but i think the idea behind 00:25:04.960 --> 00:25:11.279 some of these town squares is that they're actually like acquiring 00:25:09.360 --> 00:25:15.600 um like what was this building that they said i think they said they bought like 00:25:12.960 --> 00:25:21.039 some historic building in like italy or some crap like this thing 00:25:17.440 --> 00:25:22.799 they're gonna have their flagship stores 00:25:21.039 --> 00:25:28.400 yeah see but but here it doesn't say apple store it's just an apple logo 00:25:26.480 --> 00:25:31.840 but they are changing the design of the retail space to facilitate some kind of 00:25:30.640 --> 00:25:37.760 human interaction yeah and they're planning to bring in actual experts on things 00:25:35.919 --> 00:25:42.240 although they were saying that this new position they've created like creative 00:25:39.600 --> 00:25:46.799 something will be to creatives what the genius is to whatever and i'm kind of 00:25:44.400 --> 00:25:51.039 like well if it's a genius then like if if we're creating an analog for 00:25:48.880 --> 00:25:52.960 geniuses then my expectations are fairly low 00:25:52.080 --> 00:25:57.120 um ouch apparently it was in france 00:25:55.679 --> 00:26:02.320 europe somewhere why don't we go with that um okay so 00:26:00.960 --> 00:26:06.480 what was your second question i don't remember talking about the sign yeah 00:26:05.039 --> 00:26:11.279 are they actually expecting people to talk to each other in there because you don't you go in there and you look at 00:26:09.520 --> 00:26:14.240 the apple stuff that you want to look at and you still don't talk to other humans 00:26:12.720 --> 00:26:18.640 who are just shopping in there well here's here's a question though you're explaining 00:26:16.799 --> 00:26:22.559 you're apple shopper explaining right now because i don't think you've ever 00:26:21.200 --> 00:26:26.000 actually walked into an apple store and bought something oh except for that time 00:26:24.400 --> 00:26:28.960 that you wanted to get a red iphone to make a video and i went to the mall and 00:26:27.440 --> 00:26:33.600 i was the one who bought that red iphone and brought it back to the office 00:26:31.279 --> 00:26:37.200 yeah but you didn't buy it okay i didn't go through like the 00:26:34.799 --> 00:26:40.799 shopping you handed over company money to walk out of the store with something 00:26:39.200 --> 00:26:47.919 for company use in and out in two minutes yes um so 00:26:44.640 --> 00:26:50.240 as someone who is not cult of apple can 00:26:47.919 --> 00:26:56.080 you really cult of apple splain to people who are apple shoppers 00:26:53.279 --> 00:26:59.840 so like normal cult of apple people they go in there they rub shoulders 00:26:58.240 --> 00:27:03.120 like a collective boner or giddiness about how sweet apple is and they kind 00:27:01.360 --> 00:27:05.760 of like they experience the products they look up at each other eyes mean 00:27:04.400 --> 00:27:11.039 they're like are you seeing this this is so sick is that the idea here i don't 00:27:08.799 --> 00:27:14.480 know actually i'm not i'm much of an apple shopper either 00:27:12.480 --> 00:27:17.440 so you don't need someone apples okay all right let's let's let's stop with 00:27:16.080 --> 00:27:24.240 the let's stop with the blue balls we'll talk about the phone iphone 8 00:27:20.640 --> 00:27:26.320 shockingly iterative um to me 7s you can 00:27:24.240 --> 00:27:30.320 tell i don't understand why they called it eight 00:27:27.760 --> 00:27:37.600 the only reason that i can think of is that this is a gradual phase out of 00:27:35.440 --> 00:27:41.200 having because right now they've got what they've got the essie which isn't 00:27:39.760 --> 00:27:46.880 numbered at all right then they've got the iphone number 00:27:44.799 --> 00:27:51.039 then they've got the iphone we skipped a number and it's 10 now for some reason 00:27:49.120 --> 00:27:55.600 because 10th anniversary and it's not a numeral so if i had to guess well they 00:27:53.760 --> 00:28:00.240 called it 10 no yeah yeah but it's a roman numeral 10. yeah it's not like a a 00:27:57.840 --> 00:28:03.840 one zero so it's clearly separate so if i had to guess what they're doing is 00:28:02.480 --> 00:28:07.600 they are changing the lineup so that the regular 00:28:06.559 --> 00:28:12.480 numbers um are just going to be the replacement 00:28:10.240 --> 00:28:16.640 for what an se would have been and we're going to get no 8s we're just 00:28:14.880 --> 00:28:22.000 going gonna get a nine and we're going to be using that same 00:28:19.120 --> 00:28:24.159 body design that we've had since the six we're going to be using that like kind 00:28:23.440 --> 00:28:29.840 of for a bit on the value option yeah okay 00:28:27.440 --> 00:28:35.200 and then that gives them one more generation to kind of get people used to 00:28:32.000 --> 00:28:37.840 this idea and it buys them then two full 00:28:35.200 --> 00:28:42.240 years for OLED panels to get more reasonable so that they can bring the 00:28:40.960 --> 00:28:49.120 x x i and 12 like like this this more premium 00:28:46.080 --> 00:28:51.360 design so they can bring that 00:28:49.120 --> 00:28:55.600 into the kinds of price points that they want for their step down so the whole 00:28:53.039 --> 00:28:59.440 lineup is going to look like x i 00:28:57.200 --> 00:29:02.559 and then last gen x so that'll be your top of the line and 00:29:01.120 --> 00:29:07.279 then your step down and then you're going to have the 00:29:05.120 --> 00:29:11.120 kind of the the cheapo line is going to be the nine 00:29:09.039 --> 00:29:14.480 and like the se or something like that i'll call it nine 00:29:12.399 --> 00:29:18.720 i i i think maybe give it a new name just like s u yeah or they might do away 00:29:16.399 --> 00:29:22.399 with numbers entirely and so they might have like an se and then like something 00:29:20.720 --> 00:29:27.760 else entirely and basically i think they're starting over at x 00:29:24.720 --> 00:29:29.679 or that line extension's huge though or 00:29:27.760 --> 00:29:33.840 get this before we go into our sponsor spots for 00:29:31.600 --> 00:29:37.679 the day i have one more theory bomb to drop on you oh what am i gonna do you 00:29:35.760 --> 00:29:44.320 know how os 10 has just been os 10 forever yeah what if 00:29:40.480 --> 00:29:45.440 this is just iphone 10 forever 00:29:44.320 --> 00:29:53.200 because apple is responsible for this naming bs that 00:29:50.480 --> 00:29:57.279 seems to have taken over the technology industry where they just call the 00:29:55.279 --> 00:30:01.600 product the same thing they did last year 00:29:58.880 --> 00:30:06.880 and the fact that it is so confusing for consumers don't worry about it we're 00:30:04.000 --> 00:30:06.880 just gonna do it 00:30:07.120 --> 00:30:13.919 what if it's just iphone x i don't think that's gonna be the case because on the 00:30:12.000 --> 00:30:17.039 iphone they still haven't done it they still haven't gone no this is just the 00:30:15.360 --> 00:30:20.159 new mac they are the masters of making you want the newest thing every year you 00:30:18.960 --> 00:30:23.919 don't need an x right now if you have a seven but 00:30:22.080 --> 00:30:28.799 you [ __ ] want one don't you do we drop f bombs in one no we don't 00:30:26.799 --> 00:30:32.880 sorry everyone you want one though 00:30:30.399 --> 00:30:36.640 you want one okay but but then why would they do that on the 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mouse across the screens they've got great options 00:35:51.839 --> 00:35:57.200 great options great features like clipboard sharing between the computers 00:35:55.280 --> 00:36:00.800 drag and dropping files the ability to set up hotkeys 00:35:58.560 --> 00:36:04.599 and more and they offer a basic and pro option with a one-time payment for 00:36:02.320 --> 00:36:08.800 lifetime access so head over to seamless.com synergy 00:36:06.640 --> 00:36:14.320 linus29 wow what a terrible vanity url um and you can save 00:36:12.079 --> 00:36:17.920 50 percent so it's worth typing in all that nonsense in order to get a great 00:36:16.400 --> 00:36:21.119 deal on a great piece of size is that how old you you were when they became a 00:36:19.599 --> 00:36:25.280 sponsor no i'm not that old 00:36:23.599 --> 00:36:29.040 29. okay i got it all right i got to give 00:36:26.720 --> 00:36:32.560 you props for holding up that well to the reproduction it's worse now it's 00:36:30.720 --> 00:36:37.680 worse now than it's been i'm suffering now it gets you oh let me 00:36:34.960 --> 00:36:41.040 tell you the suffering hasn't just begun i'm aware 00:36:39.280 --> 00:36:45.760 i have diarrhea every day anyway can we talk about the NVIDIA 00:36:43.520 --> 00:36:50.320 uh the rumor that they're working on no no i'm not done with the iphone 8 yet oh 00:36:48.160 --> 00:36:53.599 we haven't even talked about the x or 10 rather i want to talk about it's better 00:36:51.680 --> 00:36:56.640 okay so the 8 is super iterative whatever it's got slightly better kind 00:36:55.119 --> 00:37:01.920 of everything um the 10. 00:36:59.119 --> 00:37:05.280 i hate the speaker and face 00:37:02.880 --> 00:37:10.640 face detection face id cutout what's the speaker 00:37:08.640 --> 00:37:13.440 that's that cutout at the top oh that thing i don't mind that 00:37:13.839 --> 00:37:19.280 when you're watching videos on that though come on 00:37:17.760 --> 00:37:24.400 have you seen have you seen what it looks like when you're watching a video on it yeah it's 00:37:22.240 --> 00:37:28.560 got like a little cut out yeah i don't mind it it's horrible 00:37:26.560 --> 00:37:32.240 i mean i might get used to it really fast in my review i might be like you 00:37:31.040 --> 00:37:37.040 know what this is fine it's totally cool forget it 00:37:35.599 --> 00:37:42.640 um but i love touch id 00:37:40.480 --> 00:37:47.680 i'm actually super the opposite of stoked that we're getting rid of touch 00:37:44.079 --> 00:37:47.680 id agreed um 00:37:48.240 --> 00:37:54.720 i think that getting into uh getting into where's the um 00:37:52.720 --> 00:37:59.920 where's that article that you brought up um thanks bixby bixby is activated right 00:37:57.280 --> 00:38:04.560 now uh i think she's trying to help where the there's where's that article 00:38:02.480 --> 00:38:07.839 that you brought up thanks bixby bixby's activated right now 00:38:06.160 --> 00:38:11.839 that we're getting into where there's where's that article that you brought up thanks bixby bixby's active change 00:38:10.880 --> 00:38:18.000 products we're getting into where there's worse that article that you brought up a 00:38:14.560 --> 00:38:19.440 reminder to give james a raise 00:38:18.000 --> 00:38:22.400 it working that you brought up time to give james rays 00:38:23.280 --> 00:38:29.200 actually we need to unlock the phone fixed views on my phone 00:38:26.720 --> 00:38:34.480 all right bixby's with you um okay so where's that uh 00:38:31.760 --> 00:38:38.240 okay so aside from okay 00:38:35.359 --> 00:38:44.720 so they claim face id is more secure but senator al franken has actually 00:38:41.280 --> 00:38:47.200 questioned apple about the security of 00:38:44.720 --> 00:38:52.240 their face id and has raised some fairly interesting 00:38:50.160 --> 00:38:56.640 points here namely so apple has stated that all face 00:38:54.800 --> 00:39:01.599 print data will be stored locally on an individual's device as opposed to being 00:38:58.320 --> 00:39:02.960 sent to the cloud so is it currently 00:39:01.599 --> 00:39:07.040 possible either remotely or through physical access to the device for either 00:39:04.960 --> 00:39:11.040 apple or a third party to extract and obtain usable face print data from the 00:39:09.119 --> 00:39:14.240 iphone 10. is there any foreseeable reason why 00:39:12.400 --> 00:39:18.240 apple would decide to begin storing such data remotely apple has stated it used 00:39:16.560 --> 00:39:22.480 more than one billion images in developing the face id algorithm where 00:39:20.480 --> 00:39:25.359 did these one billion face images come from that's less relevant to me 00:39:24.400 --> 00:39:28.640 really you don't think that's interesting 00:39:27.440 --> 00:39:32.560 it could be but the answer could be very mundane it 00:39:30.880 --> 00:39:35.599 could be shutter stock it could be just public images of 00:39:34.079 --> 00:39:40.000 facebook where would you get a billion images of faces the internet 00:39:37.920 --> 00:39:44.560 well yeah the whole internet yeah but then how would you guarantee 00:39:42.160 --> 00:39:48.480 that you have the rights to use it because the whole terms of service where 00:39:47.040 --> 00:39:52.560 you can collect non-personally identifying information the thing that 00:39:50.240 --> 00:39:56.800 people like usually agree to is that it's not supposed to be personally 00:39:53.920 --> 00:40:00.720 identifying your face is by definition personally identifying 00:39:59.040 --> 00:40:04.880 what steps did apple take to ensure its system was trained on a diverse set of 00:40:02.480 --> 00:40:09.440 faces in terms of race gender and age how are they protecting against racial 00:40:06.400 --> 00:40:12.079 gender or age bias in face id 00:40:09.440 --> 00:40:15.839 in the unveiling of the iphone 10 apple made numerous assurances about the 00:40:13.920 --> 00:40:20.000 accuracy and sophistication please describe again all the steps that happen 00:40:17.920 --> 00:40:23.520 it didn't work to ensure that face id can distinguish an individual's face 00:40:21.599 --> 00:40:28.160 from a photograph or mask for example i would love 00:40:25.040 --> 00:40:29.520 to do that maybe like a death mask 00:40:28.160 --> 00:40:35.440 and then like i don't know exactly how we do it i 00:40:32.000 --> 00:40:36.720 would love to have a Linus mask 00:40:35.440 --> 00:40:41.040 can i uh if we make one for the video okay no you 00:40:39.040 --> 00:40:45.520 can't have it no you're never gonna use it yet that is so weird 00:40:43.760 --> 00:40:49.760 strawball if we made it while you watch 00:40:49.760 --> 00:40:55.760 you can't drop f-bombs you could say that okay if we had one in the merch 00:40:53.680 --> 00:40:59.200 store we have to draw the line somewhere how many people will be honest for 00:40:57.359 --> 00:41:03.760 halloween we all know i wasn't gonna stop saying weird sexual stuff so 00:41:02.640 --> 00:41:09.599 okay at least that can go over somebody's head whereas f-bombs are just half-bombs yeah see 00:41:08.480 --> 00:41:15.359 um the answer is yes yes i would it would enhance the experience can apple confirm 00:41:13.520 --> 00:41:18.480 that it has no plans to use face print data for any purpose other than the 00:41:16.800 --> 00:41:23.280 operation of face id these are all good questions um the biggest one for me is 00:41:21.520 --> 00:41:26.720 is face id really going to be more convenient 00:41:24.880 --> 00:41:32.079 than touch id and that's one that i'm having some trouble with because they 00:41:29.119 --> 00:41:35.440 did show they did show it operating not directly staring at the phone which 00:41:33.760 --> 00:41:40.560 is the biggest issue i have right now with iris id by the time i like go like 00:41:38.400 --> 00:41:44.720 this and i i swear probably a good 40 to 50 percent of the time i use it i'm like 00:41:43.520 --> 00:41:48.240 that's cash you don't want playing around with it um 00:41:46.800 --> 00:41:52.000 a lot of the time it would be faster for me to just key in a pin cause 00:41:50.240 --> 00:41:55.839 fingerprint unlock on the back of your device which your iphone people aren't 00:41:53.680 --> 00:41:59.520 used to you can unlock that sucker while it's still in your pocket and you bring 00:41:57.200 --> 00:42:03.599 it to your face it's already there so you're saying that they demonstrated 00:42:01.200 --> 00:42:06.640 this thing ended up two singles it can already be unlocking before it's even 00:42:05.119 --> 00:42:12.160 right they had it sitting on the desk like they were simulating the you know 00:42:08.720 --> 00:42:14.480 i'm being a rude jackass at dinner 00:42:12.160 --> 00:42:16.960 experience where it was sitting on the desk right there you got to be a spicy 00:42:16.160 --> 00:42:22.160 one no no this is the this is the lamo stuff 00:42:19.359 --> 00:42:26.800 i've done the spicy one on stream before i've had enough um not to not today 00:42:25.200 --> 00:42:32.240 today's been a long week i'll do it again but you know 00:42:29.680 --> 00:42:34.880 i i just don't feel like it today so 00:42:33.200 --> 00:42:39.200 iphone 10 what is there to say really 00:42:36.720 --> 00:42:41.920 i think one last comment is that the bezel-lessness 00:42:40.880 --> 00:42:47.119 of this samsung galaxy s8 is way better 00:42:45.440 --> 00:42:51.040 what do you think having not held a 10. having not held a 00:42:49.520 --> 00:42:55.119 10 it's not bezel-less it's just as thin 00:42:52.880 --> 00:42:59.119 bezels i agree 00:42:56.560 --> 00:43:02.400 um with that said there are times when the infinity edge does interfere with me 00:43:00.960 --> 00:43:07.040 reaching across the screen i do have pretty small hands but on the s8 in 00:43:04.560 --> 00:43:11.280 particular it's not nearly as bad as it is for me on the note 8 00:43:08.720 --> 00:43:16.160 and i can pretty much work with it i love the idea of the s8 i haven't 00:43:13.760 --> 00:43:20.560 touched an iphone 10 yet but i really like this phone you can imagine a screen 00:43:18.079 --> 00:43:25.200 that looks like that and is curved and bezel-less like that yeah but the curved 00:43:23.440 --> 00:43:30.720 edge actually doesn't register touch at all yeah like what if there was 00:43:27.760 --> 00:43:33.839 a not visible but haptic bezel a haptic bezel a haptic thing you know what i 00:43:32.000 --> 00:43:37.760 mean probably a matter of time i mean as soon as apple sees someone else build 00:43:35.520 --> 00:43:42.560 some stupid weird squeeze engine they're probably thinking wow that's like almost 00:43:40.720 --> 00:43:46.640 smart except if they'd done it with uh force touch or 3d touch then it would be 00:43:44.240 --> 00:43:50.000 way better yoink booyah yeah i'm really surprised i thought the 00:43:48.240 --> 00:43:56.560 10 was gonna be a knock off of the edge but maybe that was too far for apple for 00:43:52.319 --> 00:43:56.560 even apple what do you think um 00:43:56.880 --> 00:44:02.319 no i wouldn't have expected that i i 00:44:00.400 --> 00:44:05.440 i honestly nothing about it really surprised me the only thing that 00:44:03.839 --> 00:44:09.680 surprised and or disappointed me was that we didn't end up 00:44:07.040 --> 00:44:13.680 with a touch id sensor under the screen because if it had face id and touch id 00:44:12.400 --> 00:44:18.640 through the screen but is it because they failed to do it properly that's the rumor yeah here's 00:44:17.280 --> 00:44:23.040 another question for you samsung is a bottleneck on their 00:44:20.800 --> 00:44:27.280 kick OLED displays samsung is making their displays i'm 00:44:25.359 --> 00:44:30.720 sure apple claims to i'm sure in the keynote they said that this is the best 00:44:28.640 --> 00:44:35.359 display you can get on a phone is it the case that samsung also has 00:44:33.040 --> 00:44:38.560 those exact displays or is there like an exclusivity 00:44:36.880 --> 00:44:42.079 clause that apple has the rights to that display even though samsung's one making 00:44:40.160 --> 00:44:45.760 it funny you bring that up the issue with samsung's displays the thing that 00:44:43.680 --> 00:44:50.480 makes them not as good as apples is that samsung intentionally 00:44:47.920 --> 00:44:54.160 craps all over them that's the issue you mean to get other gains 00:44:52.800 --> 00:45:00.720 like they sacrifice something for something else well they they go bad they go full best buy 00:44:57.839 --> 00:45:05.920 uh crank the vividness um 00:45:02.720 --> 00:45:07.280 mode on it and it's something that i i 00:45:05.920 --> 00:45:10.560 just i don't think there's any way they're going to stop doing it is that 00:45:09.119 --> 00:45:13.119 an asian sensibility versus american sensibility 00:45:13.680 --> 00:45:18.079 i don't know it's a it's a hard thing to 00:45:16.800 --> 00:45:23.760 it's a hard thing to say because especially given how much research all of these 00:45:22.000 --> 00:45:28.560 multinationals do on the localization of a product for a 00:45:26.319 --> 00:45:31.680 given region i would have to think that if it was something that 00:45:30.800 --> 00:45:36.480 you know americans liked to have color accurate 00:45:34.240 --> 00:45:39.599 displays i would have to imagine that other phone makers would also tune the 00:45:38.480 --> 00:45:44.839 displays differently for different regions um okay so this is interesting 00:45:42.800 --> 00:45:51.440 apparently craig for uh uh sorry 00:45:48.000 --> 00:45:53.920 apparently craig federighi uh did 00:45:51.440 --> 00:45:56.800 go on the record with techcrunch uh answering some burning questions about 00:45:55.280 --> 00:46:00.880 face id so i don't have time to read the whole thing but 00:45:59.119 --> 00:46:04.480 basically apple does not even have a way to give your your face id to law 00:46:02.960 --> 00:46:08.960 enforcement they never take possession of the data anonymized or otherwise 00:46:06.880 --> 00:46:15.839 uh it's all in the secure enclave uh et cetera et cetera et cetera local um 00:46:12.319 --> 00:46:15.839 yep um 00:46:17.040 --> 00:46:23.599 they've discussed a two-factor authentication so that you could 00:46:20.560 --> 00:46:25.760 actually force the phone to require both 00:46:23.599 --> 00:46:29.760 face id and a pin you know when you be pretty like a taste from earlier i just 00:46:28.319 --> 00:46:33.839 basically had fire in my mouth for a second like like lava just dragon dragon 00:46:32.079 --> 00:46:37.680 style just like just lava 00:46:35.280 --> 00:46:41.599 magma do you need me for something two minutes to take a picture wow so 00:46:39.920 --> 00:46:45.520 this is only your second time on lan show and you're gonna have to tackle a 00:46:42.960 --> 00:46:49.520 topic all on your own technically it's my third can you handle not screwing 00:46:47.200 --> 00:46:53.680 this up probably not probably not okay you wanna do the 1070 ti 00:46:51.760 --> 00:46:58.800 i'm pretty loose right now all right let's do it all right hit it uh let's 00:46:55.359 --> 00:46:58.800 see where's the original article from 00:46:58.960 --> 00:47:04.880 dang it james damn it bobby 00:47:02.720 --> 00:47:07.440 oh well okay yeah attack power up dang it james 00:47:08.880 --> 00:47:11.200 dale 00:47:14.240 --> 00:47:18.960 i don't know if you guys could hear that but nick just did an awesome impression of the theme song to king of the hill 00:47:18.079 --> 00:47:23.920 yeah i don't know if we're allowed to play that so it's just as well head over to youtube and watch a 24-hour live 00:47:22.319 --> 00:47:29.119 stream of king of the hill episodes worth it okay we shouldn't be promoting yeah 00:47:26.640 --> 00:47:32.560 we're not promoting piracy okay you are crossing so many lines james i am 00:47:31.119 --> 00:47:37.040 kicking you off the land show no actually i need you to cover for me on the way 00:47:34.800 --> 00:47:41.680 so here's the original uh thank you Linus original article there on tech 00:47:39.520 --> 00:47:46.079 power up okay i'll be right back so the basic deal is 00:47:43.760 --> 00:47:51.119 the rumor has it that NVIDIA is working on a new release of 00:47:48.800 --> 00:47:56.079 probably my favorite graphics card the gtx 1070. 00:47:53.839 --> 00:47:59.520 it really hits a price performance sweet spot and there's gonna be a new one 00:47:58.160 --> 00:48:04.240 coming out we're not sure if they're gonna call it 1070 tie or ti 00:48:02.880 --> 00:48:08.640 or if it's just gonna be an unnamed refresh because that's what they've done in the past 00:48:06.480 --> 00:48:12.960 for example they did a 00:48:11.119 --> 00:48:16.560 let me look at my notes there's a refresh in the past where 00:48:14.960 --> 00:48:21.839 instead of changing the name they just put on the branding on the box 00:48:18.960 --> 00:48:21.839 what the new specs are 00:48:23.280 --> 00:48:28.720 so the 1080 and the 1060 both refresh 00:48:26.559 --> 00:48:32.960 without name changes um the gtx 1060 six Gigabyte for example is 00:48:31.200 --> 00:48:37.119 refreshed so the reason that NVIDIA i'm talking to 00:48:35.520 --> 00:48:42.160 nobody here and it just feels awkward the reason that they're gonna do this 00:48:38.640 --> 00:48:44.640 refresh is because you come sit with me 00:48:42.160 --> 00:48:50.000 is because of vega because the new rx vega cards sit right in 00:48:47.040 --> 00:48:52.160 between gtx 1070s and 1080s and so 00:48:51.280 --> 00:48:56.880 since NVIDIA can they might as well just release a card that just sits right 00:48:55.359 --> 00:49:03.359 beside that vega now we're so close i feel like we should ks 00:49:00.839 --> 00:49:08.160 ah Linus please things are getting weird on the lan show oh man that's like 00:49:05.920 --> 00:49:11.920 that's saying but i go away for like literally two minutes yeah when garth 00:49:09.920 --> 00:49:15.520 stallone is out of wayne's world falls apart the WAN Show may not know that 00:49:14.000 --> 00:49:20.640 Linus hasn't really even seen wayne's i've seen lane's world but you don't care about it i've seen it once you 00:49:18.480 --> 00:49:24.960 can't quote it a long time ago then you haven't seen it i know something about 00:49:22.000 --> 00:49:28.319 party time excellent um a lot of the time when we're writing 00:49:26.319 --> 00:49:31.839 scripts references that are shared between us are like the body like the 00:49:30.480 --> 00:49:34.319 essence of the humor like the fact that we're both south park fans comes up a 00:49:33.520 --> 00:49:40.160 lot and i'm always going for wayne's world references and he doesn't get them and 00:49:37.680 --> 00:49:45.520 it's just like i just every time just melt 00:49:41.680 --> 00:49:47.359 it's not that funny it's basically an 00:49:45.520 --> 00:49:52.000 snl skit stretched out for way too long like if i 00:49:49.599 --> 00:49:54.800 recall correctly the plot is just a name please go 00:49:53.760 --> 00:49:58.400 you're gonna tell me you're gonna tell me you also like the cable guy i bet uh 00:49:57.520 --> 00:50:06.480 that one i haven't watched since childhood okay as a child when it came out 00:50:03.359 --> 00:50:07.839 i literally walked out of that movie 00:50:06.480 --> 00:50:13.280 your parents said where are you going well i was watching it with my grandma actually she was sleeping you're just 00:50:10.960 --> 00:50:17.200 peace go to the arcade grandma see ya it was it was 00:50:15.200 --> 00:50:20.480 that bad and i know that i'm probably taking some flack 00:50:18.720 --> 00:50:24.720 in twitch chat right now but cable guy was an 00:50:23.280 --> 00:50:28.160 awful awful movie 00:50:26.480 --> 00:50:31.680 um okay what about the scene where they're at that medieval times restaurant and they're fighting he's 00:50:30.720 --> 00:50:34.640 doing that star trek theme song 00:50:35.599 --> 00:50:38.480 that's classic 00:50:38.960 --> 00:50:45.119 no next time it was not funny not funny at all next um 00:50:43.839 --> 00:50:48.559 why is everybody talking about rick and morty because it's probably saying it's 00:50:47.119 --> 00:50:53.920 better than south park it's not better than south park i mean 00:50:50.880 --> 00:50:55.920 rick and morty has a couple episodes 00:50:53.920 --> 00:50:58.800 where i feel like they've made some sort of like 00:50:57.040 --> 00:51:02.960 some sort of social commentary approaching the depth of an average 00:51:00.800 --> 00:51:07.359 south park episode but maybe social commentary is not the forte but maybe 00:51:05.200 --> 00:51:10.880 it's not but i mean how do you so you're saying it's apples oranges i'm saying 00:51:08.960 --> 00:51:13.760 it's totally apples to oranges i think they're compared because they have an 00:51:12.079 --> 00:51:16.880 overlapping fan base like types of people who like southwark are the types 00:51:15.599 --> 00:51:19.920 of people who like rico yeah but i would say there's a lot of the types of people 00:51:18.640 --> 00:51:23.839 who like both of them that probably don't really get either of them ah word 00:51:22.960 --> 00:51:29.200 so um are you ransplaining right now 00:51:26.559 --> 00:51:34.400 no i don't think so i don't think i'm not insulting rick and morty i i i 00:51:31.599 --> 00:51:38.160 really like like lick and morty rick and rorty 00:51:36.079 --> 00:51:42.160 um no i i really like rick and morty i just i don't think it's comparable to 00:51:39.680 --> 00:51:45.359 south park at all i mean the other thing too is it's 00:51:43.680 --> 00:51:49.200 basically in its infancy i mean if you go back and look at season one of south 00:51:47.119 --> 00:51:53.680 park season one of rick and morty kind of stomps all over it season one of 00:51:50.480 --> 00:51:55.520 south park is mostly toilet humor 00:51:53.680 --> 00:52:01.680 whereas by the time they hit sort of season three to season six is golden age 00:51:58.640 --> 00:52:04.240 for sure yep six seven i mean 00:52:01.680 --> 00:52:08.720 that stuff started to get really really good um i mean rick and morty's only on 00:52:07.040 --> 00:52:13.359 their third season right now so and i thought honestly i thought the last 00:52:10.160 --> 00:52:15.920 episode was probably the best one of the 00:52:13.359 --> 00:52:19.839 series so far in terms of actually having a meaning that's deeper than um 00:52:18.480 --> 00:52:24.319 you know i'm i'm a silly scientist and i burp 00:52:22.640 --> 00:52:30.640 when i talk and you know scary stuff happens or whatever 00:52:26.559 --> 00:52:32.319 i thought the the episode with the 00:52:30.640 --> 00:52:35.440 citadel i thought the episode sort of looking at life on the citadel was 00:52:33.680 --> 00:52:38.960 really interesting it kind of 00:52:36.960 --> 00:52:43.040 you can kind of see that they weren't necessarily really expecting much in the 00:52:41.440 --> 00:52:47.040 way of continuity that's also something that i think the show 00:52:44.559 --> 00:52:50.880 both embraces and suffers from that they don't really care that much about the 00:52:49.200 --> 00:52:55.760 citadel being explicitly described as 00:52:53.200 --> 00:52:59.839 the effort of a few thousand ricks the first time that were introduced to it 00:52:57.760 --> 00:53:05.599 and then being expanded a couple seasons later to basically being an entire 00:53:02.319 --> 00:53:08.800 society of ricks and mortys that's you 00:53:05.599 --> 00:53:10.000 know had all these struggles for so long 00:53:08.800 --> 00:53:15.200 oh um oops and have you realized or do you care 00:53:13.839 --> 00:53:18.800 then okay no i don't i don't think anything i said is a spoiler i i won't 00:53:17.440 --> 00:53:23.599 and i won't give you guys any spoilers i mean nothing that i've said will not be obvious within about the first 30 00:53:21.839 --> 00:53:28.400 seconds of the episode so you guys you guys are all good um but 00:53:26.480 --> 00:53:32.720 in my opinion it's the best episode of the show so far 00:53:30.079 --> 00:53:36.720 um anyway carry on it's not pickle rick pickle rick is just kind of goofy like 00:53:35.119 --> 00:53:39.839 if you're if you're into kind of silly humor then pickle rick's a 00:53:38.400 --> 00:53:45.040 great episode but it's one of my least favorite so why don't you tell us why NVIDIA is refreshing the 1070. why 00:53:43.680 --> 00:53:48.400 didn't you just tell people why they're refreshing the 1070. 00:53:46.720 --> 00:53:52.400 yeah pretty much just as a response to vega do you think though that they're going to call it thai or not 00:53:51.280 --> 00:53:57.920 um i wouldn't be surprised if they don't 00:53:55.440 --> 00:54:01.200 if they don't yeah yeah i i just it might just be like because they yeah 00:53:59.839 --> 00:54:04.559 because in the past they've done they they've done it so many other refreshes 00:54:02.880 --> 00:54:07.359 it's something i really don't like it's something that i wish they wouldn't do 00:54:06.480 --> 00:54:12.559 um but again we have apple to blame for all of this crap 00:54:10.800 --> 00:54:16.400 it all comes back to apple just calling their product the same thing over and 00:54:13.920 --> 00:54:20.480 over damn it so 00:54:18.160 --> 00:54:23.359 yeah i don't know i think the idea here is it's gonna 00:54:21.920 --> 00:54:28.000 smash or at least be the same performance as vega but just 00:54:25.760 --> 00:54:32.480 with a lower TDP at a similar price point so why wouldn't 00:54:29.680 --> 00:54:36.400 you get it yep i think that uh i think that NVIDIA could have easily just sat 00:54:34.640 --> 00:54:40.400 on their butts and done nothing about the vega launch because at this point 00:54:38.559 --> 00:54:45.119 they're pretty much just printing money um 00:54:41.599 --> 00:54:46.319 the r d for pascal is so paid for 00:54:45.119 --> 00:54:51.599 um but if they do something then i mean i guess great i mean that's that's what we 00:54:49.599 --> 00:54:55.839 want right we want competition to mean better graphics cards for all 00:54:54.240 --> 00:55:01.599 all right let's talk about some more AMD news der bauer the d-lidding king is 00:55:00.000 --> 00:55:06.720 back he's back with more news i got a little carried 00:55:03.760 --> 00:55:10.960 away there sec i don't get so this was posted on the forum by swatson and the 00:55:08.880 --> 00:55:14.559 original uh the original article is actually a video so let's go ahead and 00:55:12.720 --> 00:55:19.839 fire that up hey roman there you are bud 00:55:16.720 --> 00:55:21.760 so he comes out and he's like hey AMD 00:55:19.839 --> 00:55:25.920 said that the two extra dies on threadripper were 00:55:24.480 --> 00:55:30.000 specifically dummies 00:55:28.160 --> 00:55:34.880 and it turns out that they are not just silicon spacers 00:55:32.559 --> 00:55:39.920 but they are disabled or at least non-functional zeppelin dies that do 00:55:37.040 --> 00:55:45.359 contain transistors why would they lie about this 00:55:42.559 --> 00:55:49.839 this is what i don't get well okay so some people are speculating 00:55:47.680 --> 00:55:54.640 that it could mean that in the future there may be a 32 core Threadripper 00:55:53.520 --> 00:56:00.480 maybe they wanted to just delay that little 00:55:57.599 --> 00:56:04.640 rumor from coming out but it's taken until someone delidded it 00:56:02.640 --> 00:56:10.160 for us to speculate on that i could have speculated no no 00:56:07.680 --> 00:56:13.440 because as puzzled as you are like i've heard speculation about that going back 00:56:11.920 --> 00:56:18.160 to computex before threadripper even launched okay and this is from people in 00:56:15.599 --> 00:56:20.880 the industry which always leaks so it always becomes something that's 00:56:19.200 --> 00:56:25.119 speculated outside the world did they explicitly say that there was no transistors in there yeah they just have 00:56:23.680 --> 00:56:29.599 a different definition of dummy than you do why wouldn't they just no they 00:56:27.040 --> 00:56:34.240 specifically said they were spacers well they are and that they weren't 00:56:31.280 --> 00:56:39.520 failed dyes but if we can see that they contain transistors 00:56:37.440 --> 00:56:44.640 then okay what we don't necessarily know 00:56:42.640 --> 00:56:48.079 what we don't necessarily know is that they are 00:56:46.640 --> 00:56:52.319 exactly so they they did say no working 00:56:50.160 --> 00:56:56.880 transistors so that could 00:56:54.319 --> 00:57:02.880 no you know what no there's no i don't really think there's any way around this 00:56:59.680 --> 00:57:02.880 as far as i can tell 00:57:02.960 --> 00:57:08.079 these are i don't i don't know i don't know what i 00:57:06.799 --> 00:57:11.599 don't know what they are i just what i don't understand is why 00:57:10.160 --> 00:57:17.920 they would come out and say something like that when they could have just said 00:57:14.319 --> 00:57:17.920 yeah they're failed ones 00:57:18.079 --> 00:57:24.000 or they're the f word in your product launch 00:57:21.760 --> 00:57:26.799 yeah but everyone everyone talks like everyone talks about the process of 00:57:25.520 --> 00:57:33.680 binning i think it's fairly well understood within the kind of enthusiast community 00:57:32.319 --> 00:57:38.799 that well Intel already slapped this happens 00:57:35.680 --> 00:57:40.640 Intel already got to be smarmy by saying 00:57:38.799 --> 00:57:44.400 frederick is glued together so they could have said it's just a bunch of 00:57:42.400 --> 00:57:48.960 failed chips glued together yeah but Intel does the same thing i mean this is 00:57:46.319 --> 00:57:54.160 not dab yeah but like it would it would come across really insincere completely 00:57:51.760 --> 00:57:57.839 meaningless because everybody does it so are you confused or are you actually 00:57:55.760 --> 00:58:00.880 just kind of upset okay so i'm just confused did they break your chin 00:57:59.119 --> 00:58:04.880 because here we've got people saying warboy x says if the cores were enabled 00:58:03.040 --> 00:58:09.599 the CPU would have six or eight channel memory also no it wouldn't because the 00:58:08.240 --> 00:58:14.480 socket and the motherboards wouldn't be wired up for it now 00:58:12.160 --> 00:58:18.079 it's possible that AMD was hoped that what they were hoping to achieve was 00:58:16.400 --> 00:58:21.440 that nobody would run out and try to unlock cores 00:58:19.920 --> 00:58:26.559 but then they couldn't possibly have thought that no one at any 00:58:24.640 --> 00:58:30.559 point was going to rip apart one of the dyes once a threadripper failed they 00:58:28.720 --> 00:58:35.440 couldn't possibly have thought that because it is really easy to tell like 00:58:33.200 --> 00:58:41.119 you can see it's visible to the naked eye if you uh okay if you look at the 00:58:37.839 --> 00:58:42.799 video of the 7700k that we or 6700k 00:58:41.119 --> 00:58:48.839 whatever the chip that fell out of the vice when burkle dropped it 00:58:44.960 --> 00:58:52.319 it broke apart you can clearly see 00:58:48.839 --> 00:58:54.079 like the the the cash and the course 00:58:52.319 --> 00:58:58.960 like to it's visible to the naked eye that that's that that's a CPU die 00:58:56.880 --> 00:59:02.960 once the top breaks off you're looking at me but all i can think of right now 00:59:00.640 --> 00:59:08.400 is that my stomach is a cauldron they couldn't have possibly expected people 00:59:05.520 --> 00:59:12.799 to not look at it at some point so 00:59:10.240 --> 00:59:15.359 i don't know this just seems super dumb 00:59:14.400 --> 00:59:19.760 and it's up to us to get answers yeah i mean 00:59:18.160 --> 00:59:24.960 maybe they just didn't want this is a good theory from also from warboy x uh 00:59:22.559 --> 00:59:27.440 maybe they just didn't want people you know 00:59:25.839 --> 00:59:32.079 running threadrippers and epic sockets or vice 00:59:29.359 --> 00:59:38.240 versa maybe they wanted to uh separate their consumer slash prosumer from their 00:59:35.200 --> 00:59:40.000 server i don't know i don't know but i'm 00:59:38.240 --> 00:59:43.520 i guess i'm over it i just don't understand why they wouldn't be 00:59:41.280 --> 00:59:46.480 straightforward about this because they have nothing to gain 00:59:45.440 --> 00:59:52.079 and their credibility to lose there 00:59:49.680 --> 00:59:55.680 and there's a lot of times when you run into stuff like this in the industry 00:59:53.839 --> 00:59:59.839 where it just kind of goes why would you deceive us about this no one could 00:59:58.000 --> 01:00:04.960 possibly care that you were doing it this way like the same way that everyone 01:00:02.480 --> 01:00:08.000 has made cpus since basically the dawn time and by that i mean the last few 01:00:06.640 --> 01:00:11.440 decades because that's as long as we've had cpus 01:00:10.160 --> 01:00:15.359 why not just say yeah we're doing it that way same as use usual unless you 01:00:13.760 --> 01:00:19.200 count the brain what 01:00:17.200 --> 01:00:22.960 bluetooth has been hacked again oh there's more interesting ones 01:00:21.440 --> 01:00:26.400 more interesting ones all right some attack vector Linux 01:00:24.880 --> 01:00:30.799 it's a scary hack though because your bluetooth just has to be on and you can 01:00:28.079 --> 01:00:33.920 get hacked iOS has been immune since 10. google provided device manufacturers 01:00:32.400 --> 01:00:38.160 with a patch last month but it's up to them to push it 01:00:36.240 --> 01:00:42.480 up to like the likes of samsung yeah apparently there are literally billions 01:00:39.839 --> 01:00:46.319 of devices that are compromised yeah but they when 01:00:43.680 --> 01:00:50.799 this has been patched since july so well on Windows okay we're not talking 01:00:48.480 --> 01:00:54.319 about it all right fine what else do you got for 01:00:52.160 --> 01:00:58.000 me you want to talk about hyperloop no it's 01:00:56.160 --> 01:01:02.079 boring ah google offers free repairs to pixel 01:01:00.240 --> 01:01:05.200 owners affected by hurricane harvey now this is the opposite of what we were 01:01:03.280 --> 01:01:08.559 just talking i see this being abused this is an opportunity this is 01:01:07.040 --> 01:01:14.400 low-hanging fruit this is an opportunity for a company at google to get some kick-ass pr during a very hard time for 01:01:12.559 --> 01:01:18.960 lots of americans to say you know what guys free repairs if your phone that's 01:01:17.440 --> 01:01:22.160 not as waterproof as some phones on the market gets damaged in this hurricane 01:01:20.559 --> 01:01:26.480 crisis how many people are gonna take them up 01:01:23.599 --> 01:01:30.319 on that not that many so that is some cheap good pr 01:01:28.240 --> 01:01:32.960 yeah we're talking about it okay 01:01:31.440 --> 01:01:36.000 all right cheap good pr 01:01:34.559 --> 01:01:43.440 um i don't know that this is gonna be entirely good pr but let's have a look 01:01:40.319 --> 01:01:43.440 at the element six 01:01:45.520 --> 01:01:50.720 this is i'm open i'm willing to be convinced the craziest 01:01:49.760 --> 01:01:55.119 case that i've ever seen so this is an 01:01:52.960 --> 01:01:59.920 appearance prototype non-functional prototype that looks like the final 01:01:57.280 --> 01:02:05.920 product uh let's go ahead and skip back over here check this thing out 01:02:04.319 --> 01:02:10.640 i guess i don't like that it looks like a car but that's the idea it doesn't 01:02:08.960 --> 01:02:15.359 look enough like a car though it looks like an abstraction of a car no no no no 01:02:13.359 --> 01:02:17.839 because the finished one will be more like this 01:02:18.000 --> 01:02:24.640 like it has a little grill on it well no it's also got like cutouts for the 01:02:22.720 --> 01:02:31.760 Windows and the windshield like basically this is supposed to be 01:02:28.000 --> 01:02:34.400 like the case that's unlike any other 01:02:31.760 --> 01:02:38.319 case they're trying to merge art and technology yes they're making a case 01:02:36.079 --> 01:02:44.480 that's carbon fiber yes that belongs on the desk of like the ceo 01:02:41.680 --> 01:02:49.119 all of that is awesome i just disagree with the form factor they chose being 01:02:47.119 --> 01:02:53.119 this particular car shape why does it want to look like why it look like a car 01:02:51.680 --> 01:02:58.000 it should just look like some kind of weird form 01:02:55.119 --> 01:03:01.680 if anything you think so like a little carbon fiber blob or something so 01:03:00.160 --> 01:03:06.720 there's kind of the best look that we have at what the finished finish will 01:03:03.920 --> 01:03:11.440 look like what the girls will look like this is done by the singularity 01:03:08.720 --> 01:03:14.319 computers guys if it was anyone else then i'd be like 01:03:12.880 --> 01:03:20.319 yeah that's dumb forget it are they in australia uh yeah 01:03:17.680 --> 01:03:23.680 but these guys know gorgeous 01:03:21.920 --> 01:03:28.880 gorgeous work and these guys if there was anyone 01:03:26.960 --> 01:03:32.799 that i think would actually be able to build something like this 01:03:30.559 --> 01:03:37.039 and make it incredible these guys would be it why is that 01:03:34.960 --> 01:03:42.240 just because they have they have a long history of just building amazing art 01:03:40.079 --> 01:03:46.160 pieces they've only got two backers though so it seems like most people 01:03:43.839 --> 01:03:51.039 agree with you or at least most people with um 01:03:47.920 --> 01:03:52.480 6 000 us dollars that's what the pledge 01:03:51.039 --> 01:03:58.400 is that the minimum pledge that's not the minimum pledge but that's the minimum pledge to get a case 01:03:56.480 --> 01:04:01.760 i did the math they're looking for 148 000 us dollars 01:04:00.000 --> 01:04:06.640 yep i want to sell two that will allow them to to build 24 units so that's like 01:04:04.079 --> 01:04:09.599 6 100 bucks each i mean obviously 01:04:08.319 --> 01:04:14.400 they had to get the expertise they had to build the facility like there's people hours involved 01:04:13.200 --> 01:04:18.640 but they already have it's not like they're gonna retail for six grand eventually they just want to become a 01:04:17.440 --> 01:04:23.119 case manufacturer this will never be retail they're gonna sell them on their site 01:04:21.440 --> 01:04:27.280 oh are they didn't you read my comprehensive show notes 01:04:24.839 --> 01:04:29.440 no i'ma let you in on a little secret you're allowed to give me [ __ ] about 01:04:28.640 --> 01:04:33.680 them poo okay 01:04:32.400 --> 01:04:36.240 poo emoji about them 01:04:37.680 --> 01:04:43.680 so i don't know i uh i i think it's cool 01:04:42.240 --> 01:04:48.720 i don't i okay you know what i actually don't have much of a defense for it 01:04:46.720 --> 01:04:52.880 so this was originally posted by northstorm on the forum 01:04:50.720 --> 01:04:55.760 i think it's cool i think it's different i think it's something different 01:04:54.559 --> 01:05:00.160 definitely and i think that it's good for the industry to see things that are 01:04:58.559 --> 01:05:04.960 different and i hope it succeeds i hope he succeeds too there i do 01:05:02.960 --> 01:05:09.440 all right this one i'm not really sure what i want this puppy on my desk 01:05:06.839 --> 01:05:15.680 tonight this thing's sweet this is another thing i want to watch 01:05:11.599 --> 01:05:19.440 you want to watch i like to watch oh ah 01:05:15.680 --> 01:05:22.640 phillips readies the curved ultra wide 01:05:19.440 --> 01:05:24.720 492 p8 display 01:05:22.640 --> 01:05:28.799 a 49 inch 32 by nine so to be clear this is two of 01:05:27.280 --> 01:05:32.960 them stacked one on top of the other stacked one on top of the other because 01:05:31.200 --> 01:05:38.720 for some reason you would you would want to 01:05:34.839 --> 01:05:42.160 spend twenty two hundred dollars to have 01:05:38.720 --> 01:05:43.599 one bezel rather than a cross of bezels 01:05:42.160 --> 01:05:46.559 um when you could have done it for a fraction of the cost i'd if i were to 01:05:45.359 --> 01:05:50.960 have i just having four displays i'd rather put them side by side and i have to kick it 01:05:49.359 --> 01:05:54.720 no okay as someone who's actually done 01:05:52.960 --> 01:05:57.280 ultra wide eyefinity i can tell you the experience is not as good as you might 01:05:56.160 --> 01:06:00.240 think it's like looking unpleasant looking up 01:05:59.280 --> 01:06:05.680 high although that's probably only the same height as that last tall monitor we 01:06:03.359 --> 01:06:08.960 looked at yeah probably but i don't like it 01:06:07.200 --> 01:06:14.480 this thing is just bizarre um so the original article is 01:06:12.640 --> 01:06:18.799 from a non-tech there it's not quantum dot there's no freesync 01:06:16.640 --> 01:06:25.760 to the refresh rate is unknown it's about a grand and the resolution is uh 01:06:22.480 --> 01:06:28.079 oh of course you oh no there it is 3840 01:06:25.760 --> 01:06:32.079 by 1080. what were you about to say i was about to say that of course the same 01:06:30.240 --> 01:06:36.079 guy who didn't put any any of the specs of the new iphones wouldn't put the 01:06:34.160 --> 01:06:40.079 resolution of a monitor but you did 600 bits brightness is pretty high 5 000 01:06:38.480 --> 01:06:45.760 to 1 contrast i find kind of hard to believe unless this is the that's what they always say our tests never have 01:06:43.119 --> 01:06:50.160 anything close to that maybe a va panel um set to launch in q2 of 2018. we have 01:06:48.240 --> 01:06:54.319 already confirmed we are getting one well all this is to say you missed a 01:06:51.760 --> 01:06:58.400 crucial piece here so we've seen a super ultra ad already from samsung that got 01:06:56.720 --> 01:07:02.559 announced this is actually the same panel samsung is supplying the panel to 01:07:00.240 --> 01:07:06.559 philips okay it's just samsung's is more gamery samsung's is 01:07:04.400 --> 01:07:09.359 144 hertz we don't know the refresh rate of this one yet samsung's quantum 01:07:08.160 --> 01:07:13.039 quantum dot and all these other expensive features this is the value one 01:07:11.359 --> 01:07:16.160 exactly so if you're not a gamer if you just want to look at the stock for 01:07:14.640 --> 01:07:21.680 working shmo who needs 49 inches of display yeah for your 01:07:19.920 --> 01:07:25.599 average joe who still has a thousand bucks but not 1500 bucks 01:07:24.480 --> 01:07:29.440 this is it all right fair enough 01:07:27.599 --> 01:07:33.280 all right so i think that pretty much does it for uh the WAN Show for this 01:07:31.440 --> 01:07:36.880 week thanks guys for tuning in thanks james for coming on for the last time 01:07:35.200 --> 01:07:41.440 and uh we will see you guys again next week same bat time same bat channel 01:07:41.599 --> 01:07:47.599 can you at least go the rest of the show without dropping any f-bombs 01:07:45.119 --> 01:07:51.599 frank fairly fern gully fire truck oh by the way the calendar 01:07:49.680 --> 01:07:56.359 we're making the calendar sexy time men of tech calendar no come on 01:07:57.359 --> 01:08:03.039 you camera crazy guy that monitor's not 01:08:00.640 --> 01:08:07.680 coming out until next summer by the way next summer yeah no this is q2 2018. oh 01:08:05.440 --> 01:08:10.720 i know but we're getting one apparently the WAN Show twitch chat is 01:08:09.520 --> 01:08:14.640 terrible i really don't know what does that mean what do 01:08:13.039 --> 01:08:18.239 you mean by that what this person was expecting oh just someone posted on the 01:08:16.159 --> 01:08:21.120 forum the lan show twitch chat is terrible but in what way i don't know 01:08:19.920 --> 01:08:25.920 everyone thinks they're hilarious like it's a spammy yeah i guess it 01:08:23.440 --> 01:08:25.920 no