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some reason you guys like to watch because you're weird like that
i like to watch yeah who doesn't
what are you doing we've got a lot of great topics for you guys today
but rather than tell you about them i'm gonna pick all the most boring ones so
that i can razz james about it in person
i don't make the news man okay this headline
weird case from kickstarter that Linus
likes okay first and foremost
just because i like something that doesn't make it weird
i like to watch i like to watch for example you like to watch too is it
weird that if we both like it well no
i don't like this case that's why it's weird it's weird that you like it
i didn't i didn't get it maybe you can walk us through you can show everyone the case you can tell us why all right i
don't think it's that weird i think some of you guys are okay i don't think all
of you guys are going to want to pay for it because
that's a whole other matter but i do think you guys will think it's pretty
cool uh what else we've got have we got for boring news this week scroll to the
bottom i usually put the boring stuff on the bottom i don't know this is pretty boring bluetooth hacked again it's scary
it's scary but in like a boring way like bluetooth has to be the most mundane
boring thing on the face of the earth the the boringness to cool name ratio is
high though okay bluetooth is a pretty good name oh facebook to open a new ai
lab in montreal oh oh you like the canadian stuff oh
man oh google chrome lets you mute okay
that's pretty cool okay that that's pretty cool that one's at the very
bottom you don't even know what good news is best for last that's that's not
what you said prove it this is live
there's an archive all right fine you picked two new topics
cool ones okay this is probably one that you
normally wouldn't even read but it's possible that in the near future you
might be able to charge your electric car in five minutes
i can charge my electric car in five minutes now you have one life it's a
little one like this what else you got hit me again that was
terrible there's gonna be a new gtx 1070. okay you know what i think
my attempts to read boring news are still more interesting than your
attempts to read what you think is the best news this is where we have a
disconnect james every week Linus puts in
to the document before i get to it his picks of things that pop up out to him
during the week they pop out he puts them to make sure they're in the show the top one this week
the fact that the that the video card guy left AMD
that is sort of a big deal he just went he's taking one quarter off
he's taking a long christmas break he's back in january he's gonna be out for
three months okay okay this is so over let me put let me put it this way
you know what fine we'll come back to this after the break first the intro
yes the answer that questions yes
no there's music right now no they can hear us still they can it's just
annoying don't do that you're too new to the show
to be annoying see luke gets away with it ah
i like to test the boundaries
do you like to watch other people test their boundaries
are we allowed to talk about stuff like this while we put the sponsor logos on
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all right okay
you pick no we're going we're going right into the Radeon technologies group
thing okay so i'm gonna open up with i completely
disagree with you and then i'm gonna let you go ahead and make your argument
actually no i'm gonna open up with what the actual news is so the original
article here was um actually from
uh yong yong kang posted it on the forum here
we'll go ahead and pull that up and basically just said well that's odd
raja so you might remember him as the tiger in aladdin the uh
no you might remember him as the gentleman
who dropped the rx 480 back when it
launched that wasn't me i was just present he was the one who dropped it
that's where you caught it from um and he came back to AMD
right around the time that they launched their hawaii gpus so that was the 290x
and the 290. and vega has basically been his baby
since then and he is going on a break
until the end of q4 so the start of 2018
and dr lisa sue ceo of AMD so she's so
he's been running Radeon technologies group which was split off from AMD
proper so they're going okay this is a CPU side this is the GPU side in an
attempt to make it easier for the CPU side of things to work with folks like
NVIDIA and the GPU side of things to work with folks like Intel okay i'm
starting to get this so dr sue
is basically stepping in as now
the boss and i don't i'll just say boss because i don't technically she was
already the ceo of it so you can't get more boss than that but she'll be more
directly overseeing Radeon technologies group
blurring the line between these two companies in my mind anyway in a way
and also um what's it called when you go like this
telegraphing sort of a telegraphing an attack you know oh got
it yeah so telegraphing sort of uh um in my
mind potential shift in at least her
thoughts for how important
raja is to rtg see i think you're reaching there okay all right make your
make your argument so he don't let me stop you from making
your argument but uh yeah okay
all right so he worked really hard during vega needless to say the guy was
probably burning the midnight oil for months literally a couple years
so he sent an internal email to the staff
thanking everyone for their hard work um
highlighting how kick-ass the launch has been for epic and
well not epic but Threadripper and ryzen and all of it
and vega since that's his his baby so
he thanked everyone for their hard work and then said quote vega was personally hard on me as
well and i used up a lot of family credits during this journey i decided to
take a time off now they can see it they can see it i'm sharing them but they
like when i read stuff so it was tough on him
he's taking some time off i don't think that's hard to understand so he
asked sue when he should take when he should take
time off and she suggested this last quarter i think he originally
wanted to go off like in january but there's more product launches then so
they chose now so i think your theory about how her influence or presence is
going to muddy the water i don't think that really applies because i think it's a quiet time she's
not going to have to make that many big decisions i don't think okay it's coasting i don't
think there's ever a quiet time in the tech industry for one thing and here's
my counter argument to that
if i told you that it was in any way
acceptable for you to be off work for three months
um unless there was i mean
and here's the thing you know we don't know about his health
or his family's health or you know there may be personal
factors at play so that may be part of why people are
reading too much into this because they don't have all the information but all i
can go based on is what i see in front of me and what i
see in front of me is if i told you james that barring any kind of health
issues or any kind of family emergency or the birth of a child
it was cool for you to just not be at work for a few months
how essential would you feel
and how essential would i have to feel like you are to
just be like yeah that's cool you know actually you
know what would be great is if maybe for the next few months maybe we just didn't
pay you and you just didn't come to work and then maybe after that you'll come
back and you know like to me
this feels more like a slow like like a
a way to to quietly phase out
then it feels like a sabbatical
i could be totally wrong i could be so far off the mark
that it's not even funny because a lot of what's in here on the
face of it looks fairly credible
um you know he's been working real hard
and his family probably wants to see him and this has been a very long couple to
few years of his life but
so why no successor then
because i don't think raja is that simple
to introduce a success or two and i
think this few months gives them time to find somebody
okay that's my tinfoil hat conspiracy theory
and i would be singing a totally different
song right now if vega had absolutely kicked ass
is that bixby talking to me
no not bixby it might have been it's bixby but it's for me it might have been
siri activating yeah they were talking to each other it
was neither yeah yeah that would be a great video
bixby would be all eloquent siri just like
oh wow that would be an amazing video
like getting them getting them going like seeing if they could start
activating each other like like that i'm sorry i don't understand could you repeat that like
that like that prank call when you get one erotic hotline to talk to the other erotic hotline
and then it takes them like 10 minutes to figure out like no you called me
you never no i've never heard of that oh that
sounds great though if for someone who likes to watch i assume you like to
listen you should look it up
peter pan versus pizza man that kind of thing that does sound pretty good
um okay so then
tin foil hat how many tin foil hats out of ten am i we're doing it now are we
doing a straw poll is that what you're saying no no i want to hear from you i actually do care what you think uh
he'll be back he'll be back i'm giving you a credible
six a six okay like it's not
that far-fetched okay could be true but i'm just erring on the side of not true
okay all right all right i can accept that because i lied i don't care what
you think anyway i think good thoughts
you only think good i don't i don't think good don't think good thoughts
all right let's get into our next topic here my uh
you know i got really next door is this i'm gonna have to oh oh doesn't everyone
want to know all right we can talk about the iphones
iphones wait
is this seriously all the okay so there's a couple issues here number one
is i'm working on my review of the 4k blade and i'm going to screen share you
guys on something that i've never seen before this is just
this is just my chrome right now um
this is not very usable um it's white privilege
that's uh manifested that's
not this is not very helpful um
and and this this is the other issue this is all the notes i get
you watch the event i don't you know i
don't you know what you're gonna say i don't memorize every stupid thing
oh i need a summary i have things to say you want to say them
this is new information no i don't remember how many megapixels every every
camera or all 12 phones oh they're still 12. that hasn't even
changed okay well i didn't remember that so that's why you
got me well knew luke i wasn't going to host
the show with you i was gonna host it with someone cool
but then we ran out of time saying
are you implying that i'm hot what oh you're making me very
uncomfortable right now okay oh okay so this is interesting
um are you familiar with this senator in particular you recognize that name al
franken yes he's the coolest senator i think
he's the guy that rakes people over the coals questions them hard questions
and he's got some more oh this is this actually looks pretty
good okay so it's to do with um their face id but anyway let's let's talk
about see i know i don't have a summary i don't have like a okay next time i do
need the summary for stuff like this just because i watch the live stream
doesn't mean i don't need the suffering no i'm
i'm flying blind here okay so let's talk general impressions um i don't know how
many of you did tune into the live stream that we did during apple's event
but ed and i actually streamed live the
whole time to give you guys sort of a pc
slash apple fanboy perspective on all of the
news that they announced the watch looks
moderately interesting they are taking another step towards the direction that
i didn't really want to see them go with the apple watch you mean independence
popular that kind of thing i like okay
see it's not that i don't like it it's that i think it's a lower priority
then then always on display
so every generation they're cramming in more sensors this
time they're cramming in a sim cardless
sim so you can have a cellular connection without needing to actually
put a sim card in it which is really cool and i would be floored if we don't
see the same technology in every phone moving forward at some point here and
the thing that's messed about that is that's two devices running off the same
sim card what is that never happens like you can
make calls from the phone and then you've got yours no you still you so it's an independent
activation with the carrier so it has a sim card it's just built
into the pcb but it's the same phone number
oh wait you know okay that i hadn't thought about that that's really cool um
anyway so love the tech
love the idea of not having to take your phone with you or like even take it out
all day if you don't do a ton of texting if you just need to like set yourself a
reminder uh take a call when people call you
um actually you can place calls from it you can do a lot of stuff
i just i hate that we aren't making it a watch
first before it's a computer on your wrist and i feel like every time they
have an opportunity to throw a marginally bigger battery in it or to to
not put something extra in it throw a slightly more power efficient processor
in it and turn on always on display they
don't they just make it why do you want that more advanced because i don't want
to have to go like this every time i want to know the time i
want to be able to like just see what time it is you want to just look down
without even having to turn the watch yeah i mean you're you wear a watch
right now yeah people can't see it but like so let's say i'm like this jesus
you want to just be able to look at it you don't even want to have to tweak it
no even that why should i have what is that what's just the littlest tweak
that's stupid what if i'm okay you know okay here's something yeah but the other
side of that coin is having it on all the time for no reason stupid
no it's not stupid what if it was dimly on and then if they tweaked it
it would shine tell you what let's say i didn't have a computer in front of me right now i'm sitting having a
conversation with someone at a table i want to know what time it is
this phone with it's always on display
is a timepiece right there boom convenient
so convenient i don't have to pick it up and go like this because really
here's the issue it does time
almost no better than a phone okay i have to do the exact same stupid
routine to check the time on my phone as i do on my watch and they're so
concerned about making it call phones and browse the internet and
track all of my running and walking and swimming and
jumping and breathing and heart rate that it they can't
like that's so reasonable for them to do that though
because the biggest criticism with the watch is that it doesn't do anything
so they want to put more things in it for it to do
is that even the biggest criticism of a watch like it is for me who is well yeah
but you wear an analog watch you i would
have created your own biggest complaint why don't you get a casio calculator
watch then if you want it to do something but it's just small you could
take boobies on it and be like this noob
probably you could probably write noob list too i don't think you could know that
there's no n yeah no n all right do i know numbers
i'd actually the secret so i don't even know how to tell time on this thing
what's the secret watches i don't know what this means
it's two lines down two lines down o'clock i get to go home
digital age two lines down o'clock
you know okay i'll confess that reading analog time is not my forte either i'm
really slow at it like you're counting by five something i'm super slow at it
like obviously i can do it but it it takes me a minute it's a form of muscle
memory it's uh it's and you know what it's funny because i think i'm probably
not the only one like you remember it wasn't that long ago Windows
had an analog clock when you click the oh that's funny we're in the way there
we go had an analog clock when you clicked the uh time in the bottom right
corner no thank you whereas now
they went digital with it because i think this is just a a skill like
driving manual that's fading from our
collective um well it's
you could you could learn as a toddler to read that way earlier than a analog
watch there's no secret to it if you know what the number looks like then you
know how to say just say it out loud yes and no i agree too okay no time is a
little bit complicated for little kids as someone who has a little kid um and
has so many so here you man explain me i
used to be a little kid i know how it goes dad's playing okay
i'm just joking go ahead please the word mansplaining is banned from the lan show
as of this moment because there's two men talking so it's
no that's not why it's banned it's banned because it's ridiculous um okay
so see how you explain to me that it's ridiculous okay dad's planning dad's
playing is allowed no it's not come on we're not all dads
so so i was going through this with my son
and he goes um i said okay we've got to be at school or
somewhere i forget where i was talking about but we've got to be there at at 8
50. and he goes oh okay
so but we have the half of the rest of the hour until nine or so 10 days versus
12 days yeah he figured we were using like a base 10 system
uh for time and i kind of went uh uh no okay actually not so so there are things
about time that are complicated even if you're looking at the numbers but i'm
just talking about the reading of it i feel like we've gotten off topic a
little bit here so bezel-less displays the apple watch
we want to talk about the i'm not excited about
because it doesn't have an always on display and
apple can sell me another watch like you know sos with just your watch it's
pretty cool um not needing to be able to get at your phone or even have it with you all cool
stuff but i'm not buying another one until
they give me and always on display okay all right what's the next what's
the next product that they had um what did i mean did they update safari or
something let's just get them eaten potatoes um
no no no hold on uh what what oh right apple's new headquarters
the design the design looks great i thought the
keynote from the steve jobs theater was absolutely gorgeous also have you seen
their new stores the town center center or town hall or
what was it town town center okay center it's just we're not you know what forget
it let's let's just not talk about it we're not going to talk about it from the west we're not going to talk about
the iphone at all let's talk about the new concept for apple's retail store and
sorry i almost called it a store it's not a store
it's a town center because this is going to be a place where people go
to gather and teach each other and learn
from each other and interact with each other that's right where where they're
actually apple is bringing it full circle okay they took us an interaction
they took us from talking to each other like this to talking to each other
like this when we're in the same room that's not how you use a phone and now
they're bringing us back to talking like this about this are you sure they are
yeah that's what it's all about it doesn't
matter you know how many bezels are on it
we just want to connect with each other and that
that is what apple's enabling that's malarkey for the uninitiated
this is what's happening they are at least internally calling their stores the apple store is
now called oh man twitch twitch chat it's like Linus stop the apple stop
center no stop or town square town square sorry
whatever it's called question question the first do they expect
the public to refer to them that way
i would say keep dreaming but uh apple people apple people man i mean they'll
do it they're gonna do it you can get them to call it a magic mouse if you can
get them to call something a magic mouse then i think you can get them i want to
see someone who has a bad experience i'll be mad about it and still call it
that way so i went to the apple town square today and the geniuses there
totally sucked so they have to call the mayor because he's the only one that knows what's going on there
i assume it goes all the way and the manager is called the mayor now
maybe uh an everyday zombie
says can you stop wandsplaining right now
what a whanner okay i like that i like that that's pretty good appletown mayor
mayor yes um
okay okay fine so that was your first question the answer honestly i'm i'm
actually gonna go with no i don't think anyone is gonna start
calling it like you can get people to call it apple
store because that's what it is yep it's
a store where you buy apples no wait it's not
they can do anything second question are they gonna change
the sign
okay so i actually didn't look that closely at the
designs for these
but if i had to guess like i don't even think here hold on a second apple town
town square here we go uh let's let's get some images up here because if i had
to guess i would say they probably would just have an apple logo
that would be my guess yeah so look yeah i think i think that's where that's a
rectangle okay no no
oh shut up um i'm not it's not even if
you stand on the corner can you call it the house this this town square here
just has like an apple logo this is clearly an exceptional example that's
outdoor it's literally a plaza no that's like the idea though but most apple
stores are in malls that's true but i think the idea behind
some of these town squares is that they're actually like acquiring
um like what was this building that they said i think they said they bought like
some historic building in like italy or some crap like this thing
they're gonna have their flagship stores
yeah see but but here it doesn't say apple store it's just an apple logo
but they are changing the design of the retail space to facilitate some kind of
human interaction yeah and they're planning to bring in actual experts on things
although they were saying that this new position they've created like creative
something will be to creatives what the genius is to whatever and i'm kind of
like well if it's a genius then like if if we're creating an analog for
geniuses then my expectations are fairly low
um ouch apparently it was in france
europe somewhere why don't we go with that um okay so
what was your second question i don't remember talking about the sign yeah
are they actually expecting people to talk to each other in there because you don't you go in there and you look at
the apple stuff that you want to look at and you still don't talk to other humans
who are just shopping in there well here's here's a question though you're explaining
you're apple shopper explaining right now because i don't think you've ever
actually walked into an apple store and bought something oh except for that time
that you wanted to get a red iphone to make a video and i went to the mall and
i was the one who bought that red iphone and brought it back to the office
yeah but you didn't buy it okay i didn't go through like the
shopping you handed over company money to walk out of the store with something
for company use in and out in two minutes yes um so
as someone who is not cult of apple can
you really cult of apple splain to people who are apple shoppers
so like normal cult of apple people they go in there they rub shoulders
like a collective boner or giddiness about how sweet apple is and they kind
of like they experience the products they look up at each other eyes mean
they're like are you seeing this this is so sick is that the idea here i don't
know actually i'm not i'm much of an apple shopper either
so you don't need someone apples okay all right let's let's let's stop with
the let's stop with the blue balls we'll talk about the phone iphone 8
shockingly iterative um to me 7s you can
tell i don't understand why they called it eight
the only reason that i can think of is that this is a gradual phase out of
having because right now they've got what they've got the essie which isn't
numbered at all right then they've got the iphone number
then they've got the iphone we skipped a number and it's 10 now for some reason
because 10th anniversary and it's not a numeral so if i had to guess well they
called it 10 no yeah yeah but it's a roman numeral 10. yeah it's not like a a
one zero so it's clearly separate so if i had to guess what they're doing is
they are changing the lineup so that the regular
numbers um are just going to be the replacement
for what an se would have been and we're going to get no 8s we're just
going gonna get a nine and we're going to be using that same
body design that we've had since the six we're going to be using that like kind
of for a bit on the value option yeah okay
and then that gives them one more generation to kind of get people used to
this idea and it buys them then two full
years for OLED panels to get more reasonable so that they can bring the
x x i and 12 like like this this more premium
design so they can bring that
into the kinds of price points that they want for their step down so the whole
lineup is going to look like x i
and then last gen x so that'll be your top of the line and
then your step down and then you're going to have the
kind of the the cheapo line is going to be the nine
and like the se or something like that i'll call it nine
i i i think maybe give it a new name just like s u yeah or they might do away
with numbers entirely and so they might have like an se and then like something
else entirely and basically i think they're starting over at x
or that line extension's huge though or
get this before we go into our sponsor spots for
the day i have one more theory bomb to drop on you oh what am i gonna do you
know how os 10 has just been os 10 forever yeah what if
this is just iphone 10 forever
because apple is responsible for this naming bs that
seems to have taken over the technology industry where they just call the
product the same thing they did last year
and the fact that it is so confusing for consumers don't worry about it we're
just gonna do it
what if it's just iphone x i don't think that's gonna be the case because on the
iphone they still haven't done it they still haven't gone no this is just the
new mac they are the masters of making you want the newest thing every year you
don't need an x right now if you have a seven but
you [ __ ] want one don't you do we drop f bombs in one no we don't
sorry everyone you want one though
you want one okay but but then why would they do that on the macbook
why would they do it on the macbook pro why do they just call it macbook pro
every time see apple tv i don't know but
then but then they went and they broke the system they called it the apple tv
4k see i don't know what they're doing i
think they should just do years we should all just do years i like it i
like that no because what if you launch two products in a year 16 q2 16 2. oh
16 and a half that's worse do that with car model years
don't stare blink give them a blink come on
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sponsor no i'm not that old
29. okay i got it all right i got to give
you props for holding up that well to the reproduction it's worse now it's
worse now than it's been i'm suffering now it gets you oh let me
tell you the suffering hasn't just begun i'm aware
i have diarrhea every day anyway can we talk about the NVIDIA
uh the rumor that they're working on no no i'm not done with the iphone 8 yet oh
we haven't even talked about the x or 10 rather i want to talk about it's better
okay so the 8 is super iterative whatever it's got slightly better kind
of everything um the 10.
i hate the speaker and face
face detection face id cutout what's the speaker
that's that cutout at the top oh that thing i don't mind that
when you're watching videos on that though come on
have you seen have you seen what it looks like when you're watching a video on it yeah it's
got like a little cut out yeah i don't mind it it's horrible
i mean i might get used to it really fast in my review i might be like you
know what this is fine it's totally cool forget it
um but i love touch id
i'm actually super the opposite of stoked that we're getting rid of touch
id agreed um
i think that getting into uh getting into where's the um
where's that article that you brought up um thanks bixby bixby is activated right
now uh i think she's trying to help where the there's where's that article
that you brought up thanks bixby bixby's activated right now
that we're getting into where there's where's that article that you brought up thanks bixby bixby's active change
products we're getting into where there's worse that article that you brought up a
reminder to give james a raise
it working that you brought up time to give james rays
actually we need to unlock the phone fixed views on my phone
all right bixby's with you um okay so where's that uh
okay so aside from okay
so they claim face id is more secure but senator al franken has actually
questioned apple about the security of
their face id and has raised some fairly interesting
points here namely so apple has stated that all face
print data will be stored locally on an individual's device as opposed to being
sent to the cloud so is it currently
possible either remotely or through physical access to the device for either
apple or a third party to extract and obtain usable face print data from the
iphone 10. is there any foreseeable reason why
apple would decide to begin storing such data remotely apple has stated it used
more than one billion images in developing the face id algorithm where
did these one billion face images come from that's less relevant to me
really you don't think that's interesting
it could be but the answer could be very mundane it
could be shutter stock it could be just public images of
facebook where would you get a billion images of faces the internet
well yeah the whole internet yeah but then how would you guarantee
that you have the rights to use it because the whole terms of service where
you can collect non-personally identifying information the thing that
people like usually agree to is that it's not supposed to be personally
identifying your face is by definition personally identifying
what steps did apple take to ensure its system was trained on a diverse set of
faces in terms of race gender and age how are they protecting against racial
gender or age bias in face id
in the unveiling of the iphone 10 apple made numerous assurances about the
accuracy and sophistication please describe again all the steps that happen
it didn't work to ensure that face id can distinguish an individual's face
from a photograph or mask for example i would love
to do that maybe like a death mask
and then like i don't know exactly how we do it i
would love to have a Linus mask
can i uh if we make one for the video okay no you
can't have it no you're never gonna use it yet that is so weird
strawball if we made it while you watch
you can't drop f-bombs you could say that okay if we had one in the merch
store we have to draw the line somewhere how many people will be honest for
halloween we all know i wasn't gonna stop saying weird sexual stuff so
okay at least that can go over somebody's head whereas f-bombs are just half-bombs yeah see
um the answer is yes yes i would it would enhance the experience can apple confirm
that it has no plans to use face print data for any purpose other than the
operation of face id these are all good questions um the biggest one for me is
is face id really going to be more convenient
than touch id and that's one that i'm having some trouble with because they
did show they did show it operating not directly staring at the phone which
is the biggest issue i have right now with iris id by the time i like go like
this and i i swear probably a good 40 to 50 percent of the time i use it i'm like
that's cash you don't want playing around with it um
a lot of the time it would be faster for me to just key in a pin cause
fingerprint unlock on the back of your device which your iphone people aren't
used to you can unlock that sucker while it's still in your pocket and you bring
it to your face it's already there so you're saying that they demonstrated
this thing ended up two singles it can already be unlocking before it's even
right they had it sitting on the desk like they were simulating the you know
i'm being a rude jackass at dinner
experience where it was sitting on the desk right there you got to be a spicy
one no no this is the this is the lamo stuff
i've done the spicy one on stream before i've had enough um not to not today
today's been a long week i'll do it again but you know
i i just don't feel like it today so
iphone 10 what is there to say really
i think one last comment is that the bezel-lessness
of this samsung galaxy s8 is way better
what do you think having not held a 10. having not held a
10 it's not bezel-less it's just as thin
bezels i agree
um with that said there are times when the infinity edge does interfere with me
reaching across the screen i do have pretty small hands but on the s8 in
particular it's not nearly as bad as it is for me on the note 8
and i can pretty much work with it i love the idea of the s8 i haven't
touched an iphone 10 yet but i really like this phone you can imagine a screen
that looks like that and is curved and bezel-less like that yeah but the curved
edge actually doesn't register touch at all yeah like what if there was
a not visible but haptic bezel a haptic bezel a haptic thing you know what i
mean probably a matter of time i mean as soon as apple sees someone else build
some stupid weird squeeze engine they're probably thinking wow that's like almost
smart except if they'd done it with uh force touch or 3d touch then it would be
way better yoink booyah yeah i'm really surprised i thought the
10 was gonna be a knock off of the edge but maybe that was too far for apple for
even apple what do you think um
no i wouldn't have expected that i i
i honestly nothing about it really surprised me the only thing that
surprised and or disappointed me was that we didn't end up
with a touch id sensor under the screen because if it had face id and touch id
through the screen but is it because they failed to do it properly that's the rumor yeah here's
another question for you samsung is a bottleneck on their
kick OLED displays samsung is making their displays i'm
sure apple claims to i'm sure in the keynote they said that this is the best
display you can get on a phone is it the case that samsung also has
those exact displays or is there like an exclusivity
clause that apple has the rights to that display even though samsung's one making
it funny you bring that up the issue with samsung's displays the thing that
makes them not as good as apples is that samsung intentionally
craps all over them that's the issue you mean to get other gains
like they sacrifice something for something else well they they go bad they go full best buy
uh crank the vividness um
mode on it and it's something that i i
just i don't think there's any way they're going to stop doing it is that
an asian sensibility versus american sensibility
i don't know it's a it's a hard thing to
it's a hard thing to say because especially given how much research all of these
multinationals do on the localization of a product for a
given region i would have to think that if it was something that
you know americans liked to have color accurate
displays i would have to imagine that other phone makers would also tune the
displays differently for different regions um okay so this is interesting
apparently craig for uh uh sorry
apparently craig federighi uh did
go on the record with techcrunch uh answering some burning questions about
face id so i don't have time to read the whole thing but
basically apple does not even have a way to give your your face id to law
enforcement they never take possession of the data anonymized or otherwise
uh it's all in the secure enclave uh et cetera et cetera et cetera local um
yep um
they've discussed a two-factor authentication so that you could
actually force the phone to require both
face id and a pin you know when you be pretty like a taste from earlier i just
basically had fire in my mouth for a second like like lava just dragon dragon
style just like just lava
magma do you need me for something two minutes to take a picture wow so
this is only your second time on lan show and you're gonna have to tackle a
topic all on your own technically it's my third can you handle not screwing
this up probably not probably not okay you wanna do the 1070 ti
i'm pretty loose right now all right let's do it all right hit it uh let's
see where's the original article from
dang it james damn it bobby
oh well okay yeah attack power up dang it james
dale
i don't know if you guys could hear that but nick just did an awesome impression of the theme song to king of the hill
yeah i don't know if we're allowed to play that so it's just as well head over to youtube and watch a 24-hour live
stream of king of the hill episodes worth it okay we shouldn't be promoting yeah
we're not promoting piracy okay you are crossing so many lines james i am
kicking you off the land show no actually i need you to cover for me on the way
so here's the original uh thank you Linus original article there on tech
power up okay i'll be right back so the basic deal is
the rumor has it that NVIDIA is working on a new release of
probably my favorite graphics card the gtx 1070.
it really hits a price performance sweet spot and there's gonna be a new one
coming out we're not sure if they're gonna call it 1070 tie or ti
or if it's just gonna be an unnamed refresh because that's what they've done in the past
for example they did a
let me look at my notes there's a refresh in the past where
instead of changing the name they just put on the branding on the box
what the new specs are
so the 1080 and the 1060 both refresh
without name changes um the gtx 1060 six Gigabyte for example is
refreshed so the reason that NVIDIA i'm talking to
nobody here and it just feels awkward the reason that they're gonna do this
refresh is because you come sit with me
is because of vega because the new rx vega cards sit right in
between gtx 1070s and 1080s and so
since NVIDIA can they might as well just release a card that just sits right
beside that vega now we're so close i feel like we should ks
ah Linus please things are getting weird on the lan show oh man that's like
that's saying but i go away for like literally two minutes yeah when garth
stallone is out of wayne's world falls apart the WAN Show may not know that
Linus hasn't really even seen wayne's i've seen lane's world but you don't care about it i've seen it once you
can't quote it a long time ago then you haven't seen it i know something about
party time excellent um a lot of the time when we're writing
scripts references that are shared between us are like the body like the
essence of the humor like the fact that we're both south park fans comes up a
lot and i'm always going for wayne's world references and he doesn't get them and
it's just like i just every time just melt
it's not that funny it's basically an
snl skit stretched out for way too long like if i
recall correctly the plot is just a name please go
you're gonna tell me you're gonna tell me you also like the cable guy i bet uh
that one i haven't watched since childhood okay as a child when it came out
i literally walked out of that movie
your parents said where are you going well i was watching it with my grandma actually she was sleeping you're just
peace go to the arcade grandma see ya it was it was
that bad and i know that i'm probably taking some flack
in twitch chat right now but cable guy was an
awful awful movie
um okay what about the scene where they're at that medieval times restaurant and they're fighting he's
doing that star trek theme song
that's classic
no next time it was not funny not funny at all next um
why is everybody talking about rick and morty because it's probably saying it's
better than south park it's not better than south park i mean
rick and morty has a couple episodes
where i feel like they've made some sort of like
some sort of social commentary approaching the depth of an average
south park episode but maybe social commentary is not the forte but maybe
it's not but i mean how do you so you're saying it's apples oranges i'm saying
it's totally apples to oranges i think they're compared because they have an
overlapping fan base like types of people who like southwark are the types
of people who like rico yeah but i would say there's a lot of the types of people
who like both of them that probably don't really get either of them ah word
so um are you ransplaining right now
no i don't think so i don't think i'm not insulting rick and morty i i i
really like like lick and morty rick and rorty
um no i i really like rick and morty i just i don't think it's comparable to
south park at all i mean the other thing too is it's
basically in its infancy i mean if you go back and look at season one of south
park season one of rick and morty kind of stomps all over it season one of
south park is mostly toilet humor
whereas by the time they hit sort of season three to season six is golden age
for sure yep six seven i mean
that stuff started to get really really good um i mean rick and morty's only on
their third season right now so and i thought honestly i thought the last
episode was probably the best one of the
series so far in terms of actually having a meaning that's deeper than um
you know i'm i'm a silly scientist and i burp
when i talk and you know scary stuff happens or whatever
i thought the the episode with the
citadel i thought the episode sort of looking at life on the citadel was
really interesting it kind of
you can kind of see that they weren't necessarily really expecting much in the
way of continuity that's also something that i think the show
both embraces and suffers from that they don't really care that much about the
citadel being explicitly described as
the effort of a few thousand ricks the first time that were introduced to it
and then being expanded a couple seasons later to basically being an entire
society of ricks and mortys that's you
know had all these struggles for so long
oh um oops and have you realized or do you care
then okay no i don't i don't think anything i said is a spoiler i i won't
and i won't give you guys any spoilers i mean nothing that i've said will not be obvious within about the first 30
seconds of the episode so you guys you guys are all good um but
in my opinion it's the best episode of the show so far
um anyway carry on it's not pickle rick pickle rick is just kind of goofy like
if you're if you're into kind of silly humor then pickle rick's a
great episode but it's one of my least favorite so why don't you tell us why NVIDIA is refreshing the 1070. why
didn't you just tell people why they're refreshing the 1070.
yeah pretty much just as a response to vega do you think though that they're going to call it thai or not
um i wouldn't be surprised if they don't
if they don't yeah yeah i i just it might just be like because they yeah
because in the past they've done they they've done it so many other refreshes
it's something i really don't like it's something that i wish they wouldn't do
um but again we have apple to blame for all of this crap
it all comes back to apple just calling their product the same thing over and
over damn it so
yeah i don't know i think the idea here is it's gonna
smash or at least be the same performance as vega but just
with a lower TDP at a similar price point so why wouldn't
you get it yep i think that uh i think that NVIDIA could have easily just sat
on their butts and done nothing about the vega launch because at this point
they're pretty much just printing money um
the r d for pascal is so paid for
um but if they do something then i mean i guess great i mean that's that's what we
want right we want competition to mean better graphics cards for all
all right let's talk about some more AMD news der bauer the d-lidding king is
back he's back with more news i got a little carried
away there sec i don't get so this was posted on the forum by swatson and the
original uh the original article is actually a video so let's go ahead and
fire that up hey roman there you are bud
so he comes out and he's like hey AMD
said that the two extra dies on threadripper were
specifically dummies
and it turns out that they are not just silicon spacers
but they are disabled or at least non-functional zeppelin dies that do
contain transistors why would they lie about this
this is what i don't get well okay so some people are speculating
that it could mean that in the future there may be a 32 core Threadripper
maybe they wanted to just delay that little
rumor from coming out but it's taken until someone delidded it
for us to speculate on that i could have speculated no no
because as puzzled as you are like i've heard speculation about that going back
to computex before threadripper even launched okay and this is from people in
the industry which always leaks so it always becomes something that's
speculated outside the world did they explicitly say that there was no transistors in there yeah they just have
a different definition of dummy than you do why wouldn't they just no they
specifically said they were spacers well they are and that they weren't
failed dyes but if we can see that they contain transistors
then okay what we don't necessarily know
what we don't necessarily know is that they are
exactly so they they did say no working
transistors so that could
no you know what no there's no i don't really think there's any way around this
as far as i can tell
these are i don't i don't know i don't know what i
don't know what they are i just what i don't understand is why
they would come out and say something like that when they could have just said
yeah they're failed ones
or they're the f word in your product launch
yeah but everyone everyone talks like everyone talks about the process of
binning i think it's fairly well understood within the kind of enthusiast community
that well Intel already slapped this happens
Intel already got to be smarmy by saying
frederick is glued together so they could have said it's just a bunch of
failed chips glued together yeah but Intel does the same thing i mean this is
not dab yeah but like it would it would come across really insincere completely
meaningless because everybody does it so are you confused or are you actually
just kind of upset okay so i'm just confused did they break your chin
because here we've got people saying warboy x says if the cores were enabled
the CPU would have six or eight channel memory also no it wouldn't because the
socket and the motherboards wouldn't be wired up for it now
it's possible that AMD was hoped that what they were hoping to achieve was
that nobody would run out and try to unlock cores
but then they couldn't possibly have thought that no one at any
point was going to rip apart one of the dyes once a threadripper failed they
couldn't possibly have thought that because it is really easy to tell like
you can see it's visible to the naked eye if you uh okay if you look at the
video of the 7700k that we or 6700k
whatever the chip that fell out of the vice when burkle dropped it
it broke apart you can clearly see
like the the the cash and the course
like to it's visible to the naked eye that that's that that's a CPU die
once the top breaks off you're looking at me but all i can think of right now
is that my stomach is a cauldron they couldn't have possibly expected people
to not look at it at some point so
i don't know this just seems super dumb
and it's up to us to get answers yeah i mean
maybe they just didn't want this is a good theory from also from warboy x uh
maybe they just didn't want people you know
running threadrippers and epic sockets or vice
versa maybe they wanted to uh separate their consumer slash prosumer from their
server i don't know i don't know but i'm
i guess i'm over it i just don't understand why they wouldn't be
straightforward about this because they have nothing to gain
and their credibility to lose there
and there's a lot of times when you run into stuff like this in the industry
where it just kind of goes why would you deceive us about this no one could
possibly care that you were doing it this way like the same way that everyone
has made cpus since basically the dawn time and by that i mean the last few
decades because that's as long as we've had cpus
why not just say yeah we're doing it that way same as use usual unless you
count the brain what
bluetooth has been hacked again oh there's more interesting ones
more interesting ones all right some attack vector Linux
it's a scary hack though because your bluetooth just has to be on and you can
get hacked iOS has been immune since 10. google provided device manufacturers
with a patch last month but it's up to them to push it
up to like the likes of samsung yeah apparently there are literally billions
of devices that are compromised yeah but they when
this has been patched since july so well on Windows okay we're not talking
about it all right fine what else do you got for
me you want to talk about hyperloop no it's
boring ah google offers free repairs to pixel
owners affected by hurricane harvey now this is the opposite of what we were
just talking i see this being abused this is an opportunity this is
low-hanging fruit this is an opportunity for a company at google to get some kick-ass pr during a very hard time for
lots of americans to say you know what guys free repairs if your phone that's
not as waterproof as some phones on the market gets damaged in this hurricane
crisis how many people are gonna take them up
on that not that many so that is some cheap good pr
yeah we're talking about it okay
all right cheap good pr
um i don't know that this is gonna be entirely good pr but let's have a look
at the element six
this is i'm open i'm willing to be convinced the craziest
case that i've ever seen so this is an
appearance prototype non-functional prototype that looks like the final
product uh let's go ahead and skip back over here check this thing out
i guess i don't like that it looks like a car but that's the idea it doesn't
look enough like a car though it looks like an abstraction of a car no no no no
because the finished one will be more like this
like it has a little grill on it well no it's also got like cutouts for the
Windows and the windshield like basically this is supposed to be
like the case that's unlike any other
case they're trying to merge art and technology yes they're making a case
that's carbon fiber yes that belongs on the desk of like the ceo
all of that is awesome i just disagree with the form factor they chose being
this particular car shape why does it want to look like why it look like a car
it should just look like some kind of weird form
if anything you think so like a little carbon fiber blob or something so
there's kind of the best look that we have at what the finished finish will
look like what the girls will look like this is done by the singularity
computers guys if it was anyone else then i'd be like
yeah that's dumb forget it are they in australia uh yeah
but these guys know gorgeous
gorgeous work and these guys if there was anyone
that i think would actually be able to build something like this
and make it incredible these guys would be it why is that
just because they have they have a long history of just building amazing art
pieces they've only got two backers though so it seems like most people
agree with you or at least most people with um
6 000 us dollars that's what the pledge
is that the minimum pledge that's not the minimum pledge but that's the minimum pledge to get a case
i did the math they're looking for 148 000 us dollars
yep i want to sell two that will allow them to to build 24 units so that's like
6 100 bucks each i mean obviously
they had to get the expertise they had to build the facility like there's people hours involved
but they already have it's not like they're gonna retail for six grand eventually they just want to become a
case manufacturer this will never be retail they're gonna sell them on their site
oh are they didn't you read my comprehensive show notes
no i'ma let you in on a little secret you're allowed to give me [ __ ] about
them poo okay
poo emoji about them
so i don't know i uh i i think it's cool
i don't i okay you know what i actually don't have much of a defense for it
so this was originally posted by northstorm on the forum
i think it's cool i think it's different i think it's something different
definitely and i think that it's good for the industry to see things that are
different and i hope it succeeds i hope he succeeds too there i do
all right this one i'm not really sure what i want this puppy on my desk
tonight this thing's sweet this is another thing i want to watch
you want to watch i like to watch oh ah
phillips readies the curved ultra wide
492 p8 display
a 49 inch 32 by nine so to be clear this is two of
them stacked one on top of the other stacked one on top of the other because
for some reason you would you would want to
spend twenty two hundred dollars to have
one bezel rather than a cross of bezels
um when you could have done it for a fraction of the cost i'd if i were to
have i just having four displays i'd rather put them side by side and i have to kick it
no okay as someone who's actually done
ultra wide eyefinity i can tell you the experience is not as good as you might
think it's like looking unpleasant looking up
high although that's probably only the same height as that last tall monitor we
looked at yeah probably but i don't like it
this thing is just bizarre um so the original article is
from a non-tech there it's not quantum dot there's no freesync
to the refresh rate is unknown it's about a grand and the resolution is uh
oh of course you oh no there it is 3840
by 1080. what were you about to say i was about to say that of course the same
guy who didn't put any any of the specs of the new iphones wouldn't put the
resolution of a monitor but you did 600 bits brightness is pretty high 5 000
to 1 contrast i find kind of hard to believe unless this is the that's what they always say our tests never have
anything close to that maybe a va panel um set to launch in q2 of 2018. we have
already confirmed we are getting one well all this is to say you missed a
crucial piece here so we've seen a super ultra ad already from samsung that got
announced this is actually the same panel samsung is supplying the panel to
philips okay it's just samsung's is more gamery samsung's is
144 hertz we don't know the refresh rate of this one yet samsung's quantum
quantum dot and all these other expensive features this is the value one
exactly so if you're not a gamer if you just want to look at the stock for
working shmo who needs 49 inches of display yeah for your
average joe who still has a thousand bucks but not 1500 bucks
this is it all right fair enough
all right so i think that pretty much does it for uh the WAN Show for this
week thanks guys for tuning in thanks james for coming on for the last time
and uh we will see you guys again next week same bat time same bat channel
can you at least go the rest of the show without dropping any f-bombs
frank fairly fern gully fire truck oh by the way the calendar
we're making the calendar sexy time men of tech calendar no come on
you camera crazy guy that monitor's not
coming out until next summer by the way next summer yeah no this is q2 2018. oh
i know but we're getting one apparently the WAN Show twitch chat is
terrible i really don't know what does that mean what do
you mean by that what this person was expecting oh just someone posted on the
forum the lan show twitch chat is terrible but in what way i don't know
everyone thinks they're hilarious like it's a spammy yeah i guess it
no