The WAN Show - Windows ni... er TEN! Samsung to Make CPUs for AMD? - October 3, 2014
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okay wow time again so I've got a
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terrific story for you guys if you're not tired of my excuses for why this
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show is always late 25 minutes my favorite thing ever
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is that like every time you're gone we're always 5 minutes
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early well I was fixing a problem that
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maybe had you been more on the ball and proactive we wouldn't have had so you're
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the one that on having the computer streaming that had a zap strap around
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the heat sink so that it could keep running that zap strap was in is
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incredibly reliable technology plastic never fails plastic holds together
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plastic never fails unless UV then plastic then plastic fails very quickly
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um so so guys basically what happened is last week we had Paul and Kyle formerly
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of New Egg TV on and we were dropping frames like mad it was no good it was
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terrible during the stream so I realized about half an hour before today's stream
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was supposed to start that we had a guest Skyping in this week and built the
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computer yet we hadn't actually swapped out the CPU we had we had done nothing
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to make the the computer actually work and not drop frames all over the
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freaking place so I actually did a motherboard CPU RAM swap reinstalled all
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the capture cards reconfigured xsplit because all the capture settings are
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messed up cuz they're all in different slots they've got different IDs now cuz
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you have multiple capture cards they're just it'll arbitrarily well this is
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number one and this is two and this is so if that changes xplit doesn't
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remember anything we had to redo the color we've actually this room has
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someone's chair in it and desk now because we've added another body here at
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lonus Media Group so we had to move the entire thing it's a miracle we're live
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at all but of course what I really meant to say is so I'm
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sorry and thank you for tuning in and uh we're going to get on with the show now
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so we've got a lot of to Windows excuse me 10 10 Windows 10
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there's a technical preview you can go ahead and download it uh we'll talk a
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little bit about what's new in Windows 10 or more specifically what is old and
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not the new thing that we hated anymore also Tesla is pretty sure that when they
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show you the D they are you are going to want it I do I want the d from what I
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can see so far just like the the head peeking out I want the d wow
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I can't that's the picture they've launched okay why don't you just go
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ahead and talk about other topics Scott Watson will be live with us very soon so
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we'll have him on the show from the tech report yeah man Samsung will be on the
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te 14 nmet chips for AMD Which Scott Watson will probably talk about yeah I
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would think so in fact tech report that's going to be a great topic for us
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to uh to pick his brain about yep Project Ara will have hot swap modules
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with a Google Play like store where you'll be able to buy all their stuff
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super easily and you'll even be able to probably swap out their battery without
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fully turning off your phone think of Project Ara kind of like a multi-bit
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screwdriver you see I could have kept using the screwdriver while I swapped
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component well okay not quite okay Project Ara better than a screwdriver better
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than a multi-bit screwdriver except when you need a
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screwdriver let's roll the stupid intro
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all right so we had no audio for the first part of this and I'm supposed to
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trolls twitch chat horrible all right so guys we're
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not going to waste too much time because we told Scott he was going to be joining
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us at around 5:00 and and it is now 5:00
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That was supposed to be half an hour into the show but the show just started
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so Scott you're live welcome to the show
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want to do a quick introduction to who exactly this Scott guy is and why he's
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on their screens so am I giving the introduction
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or you giving the introduction I will introduce you okay so Scott is basically
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a like a gray hair of the industry you know yeah
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I would I would have called him a Gray beard but I don't think he can grow a beard any more than I can so it's not
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good yeah so guys Scott is one of the most
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respected Tech reviewers Tech writers in the industry he's been doing it a long
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time like a really long time sorry Scott I'll stop with the old stuff but he's
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been doing it a long time he's you're not
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wrong he's extremely experienced and
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basically if you wanted to get on you know a video video call with someone and
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kind of you know hey can you talk technical to me you know that kind of
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thing you would want you would want Scott on your Skype so we're going to
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hit some pretty hard tech topics and you
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guys can find him over at the techreport tocom they have lots of great articles
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about um I think
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fures see right when you said did fur I thought you were going with like for me
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and I was like that's a little old so I thought you were going in with the old jokes again I was like that's not that
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old though yeah it's like it's like I don't know nope Furby 3dfx SLI coverage
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gForce 4 review if you want to read it there you go there you go see GeForce 4
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to give you some idea so back in the GeForce 4 days I was still looking at
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like the local computer paper Y and trying to figure out what an AGP
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was and you were reviewing graphics cards so Scott why don't we kick things
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off with actually something that we that we didn't really put in your guest
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section as far as I know have you heard the rumor have you heard the news sort
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of news we're not sure rumor right now about AMD potentially partnering with
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Samsung to produce 14 nanometer chips
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yes yeah and and you know I don't we
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wrote a story about this and we asked AMD to comment and I don't think they got back to us um so I'm not sure it's
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confirmed but it makes sense for a couple reasons um you know AMD gets a
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lot of it chips made at its own former
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Fabs by a company called run now by a company called Global foundaries yeah
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and glofo as I like to call them and they don't like that
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but they've had some trouble getting to the next process node shrinking their
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chips down and um they are part of a
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common platform Alliance they Share technology with IBM and Samsung and so
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these guys kind of work together to make things go and an unusual thing happened
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earlier this year um glofo licensed
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Samsung's uh 14 nmet process from them
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and we think that probably I think probably AMD was kind of behind that
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they didn't like glo's Pro progress toward getting to that node and Samsung
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had made it or gotten close um and so
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there was a sort of a technology transfer but now it sounds like maybe
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Samsung's going to just make chips irly for AMD so here's uh here's kind of an
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interesting thing this would be the first time in even as long as you've
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been covering Tech that that someone
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that someone might potentially be at the
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same level as Intel for an extended period of time I mean Intel's they're
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not that close to or wait excuse me so they're on 14 now but they're not that
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close to 10 are they like we just heard about them announcing a 10 nanometer Fab
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that they're building yeah in Israel but this that means that AMD Apple Samsung
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could all be on the same process node as Intel for a little while here well it's
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yeah the hard part about that is that the other guys are still talking about
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14 and Intel has been shipping 14 in volume for a couple months um and so
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that the talking about it and getting there are different things I think
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Samsung has done some test chips and things like that I'm not completely up
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on this status of that but my sense is they're not yet shipping 14 nmet stuff
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in volume um at least not the types of chips that we're talking about them
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building for AMD so yeah it would be
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nice to think that everybody could catch up with Intel but uh I don't know it
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hasn't happened for a long time and everybody's road map always says they're
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going to and then they never do it when
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was when was the last time you might you might remember this
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wow I don't know like somewhere around 90 nmet maybe um right so that was back
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in what pre Prescott days yeah I mean you remember the Intel's penum 4 stuff
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wasn't great and uh their 90 nanometer process was somewhat leaky so it
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consumed a lot of power they had a chip architecture problem too but they had a
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lot of problems at the same time and and Manufacturing was one of them AMD had
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some goodness going on with copper interconnects and a silicon on insulator
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and things like that and so they there was there there was a time there when it
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wasn't entirely clear like it has been for the past four or five years that
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Intel was in the league compared to everybody else right so speaking of the
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kinds of chips that AMD would want someone like Samsung to build it 14
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nanometer uh there's rumors a foot of a
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new FX replacement finally a legitimate
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high performance chip from AMD to replace the a in FX lineup so is that
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what we're looking at here and if so any
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idea when what do you think well I think the rumors are about apus or S so's and
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if you look at the time frame involved um it's got to be 2015 right so if it's
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2015 I'm not sure if that's soon enough for AMD to have a new core out but we
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know they have one in development the the ARM version of it is called the k12
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and C6 is I think called Zen and that's
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a new big core that I my sense is that AMD is going to try to build something
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that will compete with the hells and skylakes and whatever Intel has out by
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the time it it's uh you know it ships a product I think we may be looking at
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2016 for that core but I expect that
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when that core is ready it will go into apus and S so's and so if Samsung's
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making them then you could have assuming
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that Samsung does a good job at 14 anomers you could have a nice
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convergence of Samsung's process Tech with the new CPU architecture from AMD
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so tell me something I mean we've seen so just a just a brief explanation for
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the viewers of how the cost structure of a CPU actually works it's all about how
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much how how many dieses you're going to get out of a wafer so Wafers are pretty
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much an industry standard size and if you build a CPU that maybe you put
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Mountain loads of cash on and you put a ton of cores in it and you make one
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that's really big ultimately you have to buy a lot of these wafers in order to
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end up with X number of dyes out of that
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wafer out of which some of them will be good and some of them will be corrupted
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and won't be usable some of them will be partially usable so maybe they'll have
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less cash or they'll be clocked lower or whatever else the case may be exuse out
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of those so the way that processor manufacturers optimize for cost is they
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try to shrink all aspects of the chip so
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that they can fit more chips onto a
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wafer so AMD by being a process node or
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even two behind Intel is at a huge disadvantage because they get far fewer
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chips out of these Wafers so their costs are inherently much higher if they
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reached processed node parody and AMD was willing to take the kinds of margins
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that they've been taking on their CPUs for quite some time Scott do you think
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they could build a CPU let's say not an APU let's say an fx CPU cuz we've seen
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Intel spending so much of their die space on Graphics if AMD built a CPU at
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the same process node as Intel and crammed that much more logic into it
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could we see a legitimate Leap Forward in CPU performance the likes of which we
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haven't seen in four or five years uh
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that would be nice it'd be nice if there were more value delivered byd right
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question you know I think the reality is that if you look at the way that the the
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chip manufacturing stuff works none of what you said is wrong but if you look
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at like Intel's margins on their financial reports it's like 62% or some
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crazy number um AMD's cost structure
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doesn't have to be as awesome as intels for them to be very profitable they can
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be a node or two behind and they can have a a relatively larger chip that
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they're manufacturing but if if it costs them $60 to make a chip and they sell it
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for $200 and it costs Intel $40 to make the same chip they sell for 200 it's
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still not bad business to be in yeah and the thing is that the and and that goes
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up too right with optons and things like that it can be thousands of dollars
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right and I remember one time I was talking with quizzing a guy with AMD about this about you know oh but you're
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behind on process node and you know those are really big chips and and one
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time they're taking two optons and putting them in the same socket um on a
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on a one substrate you know and I said
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that's you know that's really costly isn't and he said yes maybe but every
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one of those opter Rons that we sell for $1,200 is good business for AMD yeah and
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so I think the key for AMD is to be able to offer a product that is a credible
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alternative to Intel that has attractive performance and power consumption um and
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they don't have to win to be uh winning
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people's business and making money hasn't been doing exactly the new
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go ahead AMD hasn't been doing exactly amazing with those profit margins there
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not even that long ago they were doing seriously not great and then with the
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new console launch things have been turning up a little bit so I I do agree
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with you that is probably true but it it couldn't help getting onto a lower node
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and having more you mean it couldn't hurt couldn't couldn't hurt there we go
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couldn't possibly help them right oh it's always good if you can get to a new
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process node and one thing that thatd kind of had to take a hit when they made
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their last transition because they went to from a 32 nanometer process node
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designed for CPUs on on the the the last
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generation so when they brought out cavar they went to a 28 nanometer
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process node it's really more tuned for low power high density GPU type
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applications and as a result they got less clock speed on the CPU portion of
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their Apu than they had in the prior generation and really what you want is
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you want a processed Tech that will give you all the benefits uh that you can get
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out of better process Tech including faster switching speed so you can get to
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higher clocks and I think with Samsung
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going to 14 nmet and going to finfets or
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uh you know Intel calls them trigate transistors that there's a good
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possibility that that there could be a nice increase in switching speed uh at
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higher power levels um which could translate into performance as well but
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honestly I think architecture is their biggest need right now I don't think
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it's process Tech uh process Tech is always something you have to be on top
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of but there are multiple options different foundaries they can go to and
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they're they're exercising that by going to Samsung but what they need is is a
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good architecture to go along with it well I hope we see that I would I
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would love to see someone build a balls to thewall CPU
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again the 5960x isn't enough for you or
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okay the 5960x is pretty cool
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okay yes the 596x is pretty see two of them fighting it out though right I mean
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yes I'd like to see it not $1,000 there yeah yeah right right You' like to see
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that on like the consumer platform and have something even more badass on the
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Enthusiast platform as well right well like Intel did its uh the the Ed RAM
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external cache L4 cash on some chips
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that it sells and it uses it's faster for graphics that way but you can't buy
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that in a desktop chip that's socketed you know that's the type of thing that
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that it's not a huge performance win on the desktop but it's really cool and
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Intel doesn't bring it to the desktop because they don't have any competition
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there that's the type of thing that gets pulled into the desktop because it's
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cool technology and and if they're fighting it out with the strong
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competitor yeah and I mean I love Intel and NVIDIA as much as anyone but I think
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that we've seen enough times throughout history even as long as I've paying
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attention to this stuff they're pretty content to sit and wait for AMD to make
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a move before they drop price or before they release something more competitive
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or whatever the case may be yeah yeah well like like Sandy Bridge Ivy Bridge
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has well you know they for like a year after they were released they kept they
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kept the exact same price and it used to be like every three months you got a
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price cut yep yeah that was cool there
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was always something to talk about you know yeah it's it's a lot more exciting
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when there's two competitors instead of one pricing has been a little bit nuts
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since uh Maxwell dropped I've seen 780
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Ti like 100 or $200 below 980s just
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because so many people are glomming on 980s stuff like that speaking of people
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glomming on to 980s I had a chat with someone at a at an un
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undisclosed uh retailer and they they
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let me know that the gtx970 stricks the
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ASUS card you reviewed that one right Scott yeah yeah they um so they have 300
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back orders on that one skew wow yeah
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they were telling me they've never seen anything like this since 8800 GT
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wow I believe it I mean it makes sense we haven't had this type of combination
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of there's a lot more performance at a really nice price for a long time yeah
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you know what's funny is again undisclosed not going to say who it was
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but I talked to someone at NVIDIA prior to the launch when I was when I was
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having the prices given to me so that I could so I could make my video um very
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last minute that whole thing but it that's neither here nor there so they
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they told me the prices and I kind of went wow well gtx970 is the disruptive
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one and he's kind of like what do you mean the 980 is going to have the
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performance crown and I kind of went well yeah but the 970 is only cut down
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by what 20% and it's going to overclock
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like a bat out of hell yeah and it's like almost $200 cheaper what a
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fantastic card and he kind of goes oh yeah that makes a lot of sense I guess
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you mean disruptive in that way oh my goodness yeah it's amazing
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they focus on the performance CR at these companies a lot and that's not
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always what people want to buy you know that because you can get certain
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cars that are better than 980 but 980 is at a really good price for what it is so
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people are buying it and then 970s at an even better price for what it is so more
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people are buying that it's pretty interesting yeah so go
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ahead everyone's way too polite I know
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okay I'm just going to talk over everyone from now on okay so 980 and 970
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um you had uncovered a little while ago we thought that the only real difference
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between 980 and 970 was how many how
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many SMS that they had but you had found
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a bit of a disparity in their performance that you couldn't really
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explain up till now so can you maybe
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talk about what people should choose for 4K gaming because I've gotten a lot of
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questions about this in the comments on our 980 performance overview in PMS on
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the Forum in Threads I've seen posted on the Forum is 970 okay for
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4K you know that's a tough question because um is 980 okay for 4K I was even
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gonna say is is is is it okay for 4K is kind of an interesting question right
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now in general I mean I kind of think you want to
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it for for running everything like the the high-end games that we use for
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testing at high quality settings one of
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anything that's out there right now isn't entirely adequate um you can play
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some games and you can tweak things to where a 970 or a 980 will run in 4k but
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it's not always a great experience um so
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that's it's weird because there is this this architectural difference that we
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didn't understand before between the 970 and the 980 in that uh the 980 has both
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of them have the same number of RS which determines pixel throughput and that's
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really important for 4K because you've
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got a lot of pixels but uh it turns out
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that when you cut the number of SMS like they do on the 970 you actually lower
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the pixel throughput of the card effectively because the SMS help
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determine the the the pixel throughput in a way that we didn't understand until
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after our 980 review when a fellow reviewer Damian at hardware. frr
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sent me a little note and said hey see that Benchmark you result you got where
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it was a lot lower fill rate on the 970 yeah here's the explanation I did a
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little post about it but it's totally his work he figured out uh by asking
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very specific questions of NVIDIA you
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know did why there was actually less
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capacity for Pixel throughput on the 970
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um that said you I've been playing around with overclocking 980s and 970s a
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little bit and you know you can get back a lot of what you lose by taking SMS
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Away by turning up clock speeds and what
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else I've got right over here is a 4K monitor from Acer that is gsync capable
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and I'm finding out that even though in
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a lot of cases frame ratees seem a little bit marginal on a 970 or a 980
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with a single card that when you have gsync and you're in those situations
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where it's like you know 40 some FPS sometimes that's good enough when
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the monitor is updating right when a frame was ready so I'll tell you this I
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actually did my I my Acer 4K
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gsync video really differently from how
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I've typically looked at either monitors or video cards from a performance
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perspective before I did it no numbers
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because we lacked the high-speed camera equipment that we would need to properly
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quantify g-sync in a way that would be meaningful to viewers and fcats not
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working for it and basically the the
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thing about g-sync is it's more of a it's more of a feel than a number yeah
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right now in terms of the equipment that we have to test it on our side anyway so
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the way I did it was instead of having
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fraps on and tuning my game settings so that it was running at solid FPS and I
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knew that I sat down and I cranked the detail on my games without any FPS
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counter and then I reduced it until felt
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like I was playing at 60fps smooth then I all tabbed out fired up fraps and had
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to look at my frame rates and I discovered the exact same thing that you
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did I was getting dips down to 42 43 and
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that felt butter smooth to me yeah now
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and gsync is great for that so I I don't
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know that's that's kind of a tough decision in terms of pricing because
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those 4K gsync monitors are not cheap right yeah there's well there's one
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model So speaking of two competitors being uh better better for excitement
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and pricing yeah yeah Acer's the only show in town
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yeah I think ASUS is supposed to have a 4k g-sync monitor out before the end of
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the year though okay so sometime in the next three months so we'll see but even
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even not 4K gsync monitors can be extremely expensive still yep we do need
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to see a little bit more Market flooding until it's going to be consumable for a
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lot of different people okay so Scott sorry go ahead well GNC's awesome
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technology but it's not a good deal right now so speaking of not a good deal
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right now it's it's kind of it's there's so much confusion right now about AMD's
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project free sync yeah maybe you can clarify this because honestly I've even
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found myself getting a little bit lost in the misinformation about it so
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there's a lot of people saying okay it's built into DisplayPort now we're just
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going to see it built into the Next Generation scalers and we're going to
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have support for freyn across the board then there's other information out there
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some of which is coming from AMD themselves saying well actually hold on
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a second it's only a small subset of our graphics cards that are actually going
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to support the tech and it's not necessarily just going to be part of
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DisplayPort and NVIDIA is coming out saying yeah we're not going to support
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it it's not just part of DisplayPort what the hell is free
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sync well freesync is AMD's Project to
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create a variable refresh Monitor and there's a vasis spec called adaptive
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sync adaptive Dash sync I think that is
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something that AMD kind of shephered through as an extension to DisplayPort
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in order to enable project free sync um
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it's not I don't think it's a mandatory part of the spec but it's an extension
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it may be mandatory eventually but but
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that doesn't mean that a monitor needs to have all of the capabilities to
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support variable refresh andd is working
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with monitor makers and with the scaler manufacturer
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to enable a variable refresh capable set
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of Hardware set of displays multiple products um from different companies and
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what we really haven't seen yet is a
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functioning prototype or anything like
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that so if you remember gsync was demoed
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in like September 2013 we I think we met and talked at
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that uh event right yeah and then NVIDIA
27:59
said oh it'll be out in like March and then summer then fall and it didn't come
28:04
out till really the the end of summer or fall yeah I mean I had plans with NVIDIA
28:09
to potentially do like uh like a wine tasting style event in q1 where they
28:16
wanted monitors to be available and we were going to have members of our
28:20
community come and do like a blind taste test type thing that was going to be
28:23
cool and that was going to be like a super cool idea and then
28:29
just didn't really work yeah nothing ever happened because there was
28:33
nothing yeah so I think I think the
28:36
first step or probably the next step I hope is that we get to see a working
28:41
prototype um but AMD is saying that those are on the way and then they're
28:45
saying early next year for the first
28:48
products and you know these are product
28:54
schedules that's that's the best case I think when you hear that but could
28:58
happen right and you know the other question is how much cost will it add to
29:03
a monitor to support this feature and do it correctly yeah and you know the path
29:07
that NVIDIA has taken they developed their own scaler completely from scratch
29:12
as far as I can tell instead of working with the scaler manufacturer AMD is much
29:17
more collaborative here um so presumably
29:20
you know those scaler guys already have built all the things that you find in a
29:24
normal monitor scaler and they only have to add variable refresh capability
29:28
right presumably they might be able to do things uh you know reasonably well
29:34
reasonably quickly without too much trouble the other thing is NVIDIA's
29:37
Hardware is built off of What's called the fpga field programmable Gat array
29:42
which is uh an expensive chip that you can program to do almost anything and
29:47
that's usually what you use in development but then you make a custom
29:50
chip or an Asic that actually like does
29:54
this function and it's much lower cost
29:57
and I think that probably the products that come to Market from the scaler
30:02
manufacturers uh are I don't know for sure but I'd expect them to be A6 and if
30:07
they're not in in the first generation eventually they should be because I
30:11
think what everybody wants is for the cost premium to go down happen because
30:17
of more competition it needs to happen because they use cheaper hardware and it
30:21
needs to happen because there are more suppliers 50 bucks is is in my mind for
30:27
a 24
30:36
to buy a monitor without some kind of adaptive refresh rate and I think people
30:39
aren't going to mind waiting for free sync to come in because it's not 50
30:43
bucks right now so it is a very hard decision to make and a lot of people are
30:46
going to keep monitors for a very long time so making a monitor decision
30:49
sometimes isn't that oh sweet a new graphic card came out let me upgrade
30:53
it's more of a okay it's been 6 years seven years maybe I should reset all my
30:57
monitors yes and you know I think what you want
31:01
to see is for AMD to succeed and for
31:04
their stuff to get out there in the market and then at some point for this
31:09
to become ubiquitous and what I mean by that is NVIDIA has to cave and say okay
31:12
we're going to support it if you buy this monitor you can you can do adaptive
31:16
refresh with the radon only GeForce but I don't think NVIDIA has any interest in
31:21
making that easy for AMD so they're going to wait and and take advantage of
31:26
the fact that they're first uh because because they they built gsync and they
31:30
they did it first and they invested and they're going to wait and see and the
31:33
other thing that that I'm not really clear on is uh if you look at that
31:37
g-sync module that the NVIDIA built it has a bunch of RAM on it as well as an
31:41
fpga yeah it has a and I think it's a
31:45
like a lookaside buffer and they need it every once in a while when they don't
31:49
get another frame from the uh the GPU in
31:53
time they they've got to refresh the display because it's time um so they
31:57
have to store a frame in the buffer and I don't know
32:01
whether AMD will be able to come up with an approach where that memory is not
32:05
required but the same functionality is available right um it might be because
32:10
they did they did show variable Refresh on a laptop display which is a little
32:14
bit of a different type of of setup um
32:17
at CES in the little demo they showed me but um whether or not they can pull that
32:22
off is going to determine the cost too and and I I'm still waiting to hear
32:27
details
32:30
so do you think NVIDIA went with such an expensive solution just because they
32:33
were in a hurry yeah definitely and and in fact if
32:38
I would talk to Tom Peterson who's the engineer in NVIDIA who sort of
32:41
spearheaded gsync and he said something interesting to me between the the time
32:46
in in March or so when they were supposed to launch g-sync and and the
32:50
time in the summer when it was really imminent I I spoke with him and he said
32:54
um you know we really had some problems we had to work out which is why we had
32:57
had the delay and thank goodness it was an fpga because they had to change the
33:03
way that it worked fundamentally and if it had been a custom chip they would have had to build another spin on the
33:08
chip right I think it also like of
33:11
course they wanted to hurry but I think it also comes into NVIDIA seems to like doing things by themselves in a fairly
33:17
lock down ecosystem and AMD is that whole let's all come together and help
33:22
everyone and we'll do it as one big unit and those are two extremely different
33:26
styles and I I ful understand the style that NVIDIA went with because it's their
33:30
style makes sense yeah they do tend to do that don't they I was
33:35
actually they also tend to make money every quarter
33:39
yeah you know it's hard to it's hard to I I want openness I prefer openness and
33:45
I like sometimes like AMD's approach of we're a hardware maker and we're not a
33:48
software maker and we're going to be open but they're not invest they didn't
33:53
come up with gsync they didn't they're they're just sort of doing the me too
33:57
thing with free Nidia give them credit they invested in
34:01
this and they want to get money back for it and and I I understand that I'm
34:04
sympathetic to to that even though I think ultimately I hope everybody in
34:09
Industry wants the final destination for this to be that you can plug any monitor
34:13
into any graphics card and get variable refresh that is exactly what we want I
34:17
mean um actually I should clarify something last week on the show speaking
34:21
of NVIDIA being closed I did a super pissed off rant for about 5 minutes
34:26
about how the controller only works on GeForce PCS
34:31
right now did you know about this Scott yeah you know I iix saw that they're
34:36
fixing it I I got I got an email at the
34:40
end of the show last week yeah yo dog sorry I was I was driving I couldn't
34:46
reply we're fixing it it's coming it'll
34:49
work on any PC please stop talking about
34:52
please stop
34:55
talking but you know you got to call them out on stuff like that because you
34:59
don't want the standard to become that we're all just kind of in our different
35:03
silos and GeForce is its own thing and Radeon is its own thing can you imagine
35:08
a controller that only worked on PCS
35:11
with a certain brand of graphics cards I mean we' we' we'd be we'd be never mind
35:15
consoles going away and converging with PCS PCS would be converging into
35:19
consoles at that point new Intel compatible keyboards oh no oh no that
35:27
would bead that's terrifying yeah but you know if
35:31
it happened to one thing it would leak into all the things I know it's
35:37
horrible with the Samsung plant sorry
35:41
the Sam well not Samsung plant but Samsung starting AMD development I guess
35:45
we did yeah we kind of talked about that already why don't we just um hey Scott
35:48
which of our topics under the guest topics are you are you most down to talk
35:53
about do you remember did you leave look I am I am easy whatever you guys guys
35:57
want to talk about if you want to talk more Graphics if you want to talk any of
36:01
the other stuff out there then I'm happy to do it I want to talk about that
36:05
17,000 Mac botnet that got
36:08
discovered oh wait that's impossible Macs don't get viruses no no no surely
36:13
Steve Jobs said they don't get viruses so therefore this isn't a virus they're
36:18
just all trying to be friends right Max are more it's a more friendly operating
36:22
system this is the new Social Network it's joining a botn net you're being
36:26
social with other computers and trying to help everyone to one goal just might
36:31
not necessarily be your goal or really anyone who's not sort of the one dude
36:36
who set it up don't worry about it it's cool it's
36:41
not a virus so okay do you want to do a quick
36:45
want to do a quick rundown of what the heck happened here so this was a post from gizmodo.com I'm just going to check
36:50
this up on my screen while Luke gives us a rundown and then we'll we'll move into
36:53
the topic so the the back door is called mac. backd door. iorm because it has to
36:58
be stealthy and use back door in the name awesome um essentially they have
37:03
gained access to Max and they use Reddit to connect them all together so
37:07
basically when the Mac calls out it goes onto Reddit and finds a post which links
37:12
it to a server on under a Minecraft subreddit which is hilarious and then
37:16
they all link together through that so this guy used a worm to grab all these
37:22
botnet computers and have them link all together through reddit's Minecraft
37:25
Community okay so maybe you can explain exp what's the problem with a botn net
37:29
what exactly is a botn net and what does it mean to use botn nets for a lot of
37:33
different things um a lot of the laws
37:36
around like you can't sue someone for their computer necessarily doing
37:40
something happens because of botn Nets so you can use a botn net to essentially
37:43
a lot of a lot of people refer them to them as zombies as well you can utilize
37:47
all these computers to do things for you it's like having a gigantic external
37:51
cluster so you can use these to like dos a Target or just do do other things uh
37:58
like essentially look like users so if you want to get a whole bunch of hits on
38:02
something that's a less aggressive way to use a botet um do we actually have
38:08
4,400 viewers who knows maybe we have one who
38:14
owns a lot of iMac or doesn't own a lot of IM and
38:18
Scott no he's not viewing he's just looking through our video conferencing
38:22
software right so he wouldn't even count yeah sorry Scott you don't count as a
38:26
viewer you can use them for large variants of things but a lot of times
38:30
it's just Doss dos that kind of stuff bringing down websites being a
38:34
jerk in this case though I wonder if he's actually using it to look like
38:39
users on Minecraft servers I haven't read into it into that much but it would
38:43
be pretty funny actually because if you can make your Minecraft server look
38:47
popular and then get people to come to it and then actually do real
38:50
microtransactions then you might make some money so Scott is Apple
38:56
imploding uh there's a lot of bad PR a
39:00
lot yeah you know it is weird like the
39:03
the bingate stuff that just was one of those Tech stories that you could see it
39:08
taking on a life of its own like yeah the iPhone 6 had happened it was a big
39:13
deal and then there wasn't another story
39:17
and so that one kind of came out on the weekend and it was like the news it hit
39:20
the news cycle perfectly everyone wanted more iPhone news and that was the more
39:25
iPhone news I don't know did you watch the the Bin videos because I got up that
39:30
morning and I went and I watched one of those and I watched this guy's thumbs
39:33
just strain against this phone to bend it and I thought that I'm not worried
39:37
about that at all like it just it's way
39:40
too much force for me to ever care you know I'm not gonna do that accidentally
39:45
well you need to gain about a 100 pounds then come on go to the
39:48
gym crank up those pecs or something but
39:52
but I but it didn't matter because that story filled a void right and and it was
39:57
like it was everybody who's like a a Samsung fan like loved it it didn't
40:02
matter that it was true it just was there right but honestly I don't think
40:07
that that story happens and gets that big if it isn't for the fact that
40:12
everybody in the media who was reporting on that making it a big deal knows that
40:16
when they report on Apple there's a lot of response yeah right negative or
40:22
positive a lot of people will chime in no matter what it is Apple's in trouble
40:26
when people don't care about what they do and they're a long way from that
40:29
place right now yeah fair enough I mean there's been other bad news too so there
40:33
was the report that came out that Apple reportedly punished a German magazine
40:37
for doing an iPhone 6 Ben test saying they would no longer be invited to any
40:42
of their events and they were basically
40:46
cut off I mean how do you how do you
40:49
feel as an objective journalist in the
40:52
IT industry about that kind of behavior from a manufacturer because
40:58
well I want the d which we'll talk about later but um I so so I don't necessarily
41:03
care about like a like a paper style screen um or not but I do want the round
41:09
shape of a watch and that being said Pebble prices are dropping so they're
41:14
reducing their price on the standard Pebble which is not what lonus has anymore you have the Pebble Steel I
41:18
believe that's right um they're reducing the price on the standard Pebble to
41:21
around 90 USD this is only in the states as far as I know um to 90 USD and
41:27
they're bringing the prices down on their steel to 199 USD it's a pretty big
41:32
difference do you think it's worth it from the standard to the steel you know
41:35
what I I it depends on it depends on
41:39
what you want out of your watch if you just want the functionality the
41:42
functionality of them is literally exactly the same they actually have the
41:48
same Hardware in them I mean they didn't even bother to upgrade the battery on
41:53
the steel which in my mind is is a little bit frustrating
42:05
functionality the steel is all about the look so if you wear your watch as a
42:09
purely functional piece because you would like to know what time it is and
42:12
read text messages and all those other cool Pebble apps get a regular Pebble
42:17
right 99 bucks if your watch is part of
42:20
Amazon extension hopefully they sell on Amazon if your watch is part of the look
42:25
of you that that you're trying to achieve if it's a fashion statement then
42:28
maybe the steel in my opinion the steel is a great value I mean you can easily
42:33
spend $200 on a watch spend 5 10 15
42:37
times that on a watch on watches are insane that doesn't have that
42:41
functionality there I think that's what the steal is is it's a great marriage of
42:45
functionality and a least a little bit
42:48
of 2000 M underwater sorry what some of those
42:53
super high-end watches are like oh yeah but it'll work 2,000 M underwater and
42:56
I'm like wow cool for when I'm in a submarine next what for when I'm
43:01
completely underwater and dead and out of
43:05
oxygen awesome so Swift Tech launches their
43:08
240x H 240x I believe this was fairly
43:12
stealthy um I saw a bunch of the comments on the Forum Thread about this
43:16
posted by Whirlwind oh I should jump up so the new patch from Moto 360 was
43:20
posted on the Forum by Ren the pebble price drops was posted on the Forum by
43:24
Raph benan there's two A's there I don't know
43:28
how to properly do that other than a so he wins the literally entire world
43:34
yeah win the world the whole thing
43:37
everything that you can possibly win is won by him anyways uh I believe it was
43:41
fairly stealthy because a whole bunch of posters on the Forum were talking about
43:45
how they were actually looking to buy a 240x and then just randomly saw on
43:49
swiftex website that there was a uh sorry they were looking to buy a 220x
43:54
and then they saw on the website that there was a 240x uh there I don't think
43:57
there's any like massive changes other than the fact that is a dual 140 mm
44:02
copper radiator other than that I believe it's the same type of idea so
44:06
they have a full pump a full radiator uh
44:09
Reservoir attached to the radiator and then a full standard water block so I
44:15
think this is essentially as close as you can get to standard water cooling
44:19
with an AO style unit out of anything would you agree with that probably yeah
44:24
pretty much I think it's cool how they hide the pump up behind the flow rate
44:29
monitor in the top which makes it look extremely compact but then still uses
44:33
fulls siize components which is awesome something that I appreciate a lot I
44:36
don't see a lot of aios failing but it's still nice to know that I have this
44:40
full-size pump which I could honestly swap out if I really needed to um I like
44:46
I like aios that are after the concept
44:50
of being more like an actual liquid
44:54
cooling setup I think that's I think that's a great direction for them to go
44:58
Swift Tech's done an okay job of making
45:01
their aios drop in I think that their
45:04
last generation one actually did a better job of this of making it drop in
45:09
because it did have the pump integrated with the CPU block so you could Mount
45:13
the radiator in different places much more easily whereas these ones really
45:17
have to go on the top of your case but the newer ones so the h220x and the H2
45:23
40x the fact that they are mounted in the top of the case but they're much
45:27
more expandable and much more reliable from what Swift Tech saying about them
45:32
is also great too so I mean maybe
45:35
there's room for swifttech to have both options a less powerful Central CPU
45:41
block based pump unit where you have more radiator flexibility and then these
45:45
H these X Series ones to take care of
45:49
people who are okay having it in the top only the top and that is it that is
45:53
going to be very applicable in a couple days yeah I won't be doing that accent
45:56
when we're so much probably not a terrible idea yeah so uh for those of
46:00
you who don't know this already Luke and I are doing a German road trip Excursion
46:06
yeah we're going to be touring the senheiser factory which is going to be pretty cool
46:11
that's going to be sweet we're going to meet like the dude who designs like the
46:15
headphones that's awesome which is going to be cool I'm actually so stoked but
46:19
more stoked for Cherry MX so we're going
46:23
to see Cherry corpse manufacturing facility as well so
46:27
next week is going to be all about Z German engineering and Z German
46:33
manufacturing um so both for keyboard switches and for headphones both Luke
46:38
and I I guess if you were going to pick like you know half a dozen companies
46:44
that we think are pretty cool and we tend to really like what they do I think
46:48
Cherry would be on the list and Sennheiser would be on the list as well
46:51
yep so we're we're pretty pretty stoked to check that out definitely stoked on
46:56
that change oh no you go that was posted
46:59
no that was not posted by him yeah right Whirlwind speaking of things that are we
47:04
should probably check out Windows 10 not
47:07
Windows 9 it's funny CU we made that joke Windows 9 Windows Windows
47:14
no and we were right yep actually that
47:17
is kind of true and the reason they did it was because they wanted to separate
47:22
the next Windows from Windows 8.1 as much as possible basically they
47:29
didn't want people to feel like it was an iterative improvement on Windows 8
47:34
which honestly I don't think Windows 9 would have sounded like if they called
47:39
it Windows 8.2 that probably would have sounded like an iteration super drunk to
47:43
be completely honest that's all I really have to say about that that's super dumb
47:46
I me it's funny because they made the joke about we're going to call it
47:50
Windows one yeah yeah yeah and they
47:53
weren't even self-aware enough as far as I can tell to realize that just because
47:58
they didn't call it one doesn't mean that what they did was any less
48:02
stupid it's still not how you count
48:05
Vista 7810 come on they they can't even hold
48:09
it together for three releases in a row
48:13
actually yes they can 95 98 2000 there
48:16
you go okay so they they can't even hold it together for four releases in a row
48:21
yeah oh wait well hold on a second me
48:24
came first but it's
48:28
oh but Emy is Millen H he's still
48:32
referencing a year oh come come on now no I know I
48:36
agree with you but they like sort of tried at least
48:42
they didn't just completely skip a number they weren't like 2014 but it's
48:47
2000 but we're going to release 2014 because it sounds much better one of my
48:52
favorite quotes was I don't remember exactly what he said but essentially it was along the lines of once you once you
48:57
fire up Windows 10 and you see how awesome it is you won't question why we
49:01
jumped a number it's like actually that
49:04
has nothing to do with anything ever at any point in time that makes no sense at
49:09
all because even if it was a massive change like XP to Vista it wasn't like
49:15
you didn't go like XP to
49:19
XP3 because what that didn't make any sense anyways uh I've seen quite a few
49:24
people that have tried it so far and it seems kind of generally broken to be
49:28
completely honest uh the GUI is
49:31
apparently far from complete there's a lot of problems this seems very
49:34
unpolished there's a tons of missing animations all that kind of stuff and
49:39
their biggest feature that they're toting is the return of the start menu
49:42
which is fantastic but but also a little
49:46
frustrating because when they first showed off this hybrid uh start menu
49:50
start screen thing it was being pitched
49:53
as a feature that we were going to see in the next update to Windows 8 .1 yes
49:58
and who hold on we're not doing that okay hold on a second um hold off for a
50:02
couple months now we're going to throw you guys this Windows 10 preview which
50:06
isn't going to come into out until late 2015 yeah we're we're months away we're
50:11
almost a year away from Windows 10 actually being something you can install
50:16
on your system and run as a production OS production OS yeah okay because you
50:20
can get the technical preview right now but it is totally broken balls and it
50:24
has some cool stuff like now instead of just being able to snap Windows to the
50:28
sides for side by side reading you can snap to Corners so you can actually have
50:32
four things on screen something folks with large monitors are going to be
50:36
pretty impressed with and then another really cool thing about it is you can
50:40
actually have virtual desktops it's funny because I've seen virtual desktops
50:45
working as far back as uh third-party uh
50:49
UI modifiers for Windows XP I was yeah I was going to say like as far back as
50:54
super far back and yesterday because they can work now yes they're not new so
50:59
so it's not a new idea but basically a virtual desktop would be different um
51:05
different different desktops depending on what you want to do so you could have
51:08
a different set of applications open and have them spread out a different way
51:12
depending on what kind of thing you want to do so for example you could uh have
51:19
like Steam and you play and origin and
51:23
you said Warner Brothers is maybe that Warner Brothers one that they're working on oh what a nightmare anyway you could
51:29
have one virtual desktop that has all those popups so all your game libraries
51:32
are right there in front of you you could have another one that has you know
51:36
Chrome up here and then you know word over here and something else like a
51:41
video over here so you can sit and watch streams while you research and do homework for example and then you are
51:46
supposed to it's a little glitchy right now especially for multim monitor users
51:50
you're supposed to be able to switch between them that's pretty freaking cool
51:54
yes it is but it's also been a previous feature of Windows kind of been a
51:59
feature of Linux for an extremely long time yes and is able to be done by
52:03
thirdparty applications already one thing that I not that's definitely going
52:07
to come up with a whole bunch of search results I just hope they at least divide it in a very good way and they don't put
52:12
web search results at the top or it's extremely configurable either one I'll
52:15
be happy about one thing that we were talking about was uh we were questioning
52:19
whether or not those tiles were going to be extremely configurable because I
52:23
talked about how it could be pretty cool if you wanted to put like certaines that
52:27
you go to a lot and then a whole of games and St but I didn't want it to
52:31
like just be Auto population or something like that it is a configurable
52:35
space right and one thing that could be really interesting actually is if they
52:39
made it so that those switching desktops were able to have their own unique start
52:42
menus MH so maybe you could have a production production uh desktop where
52:47
you have like Excel word all that junk and like work websites in the nice kind
52:53
of like I'm going to say Metro that's not the right word modern UI style tiles
52:57
on the right hand side and then you switch to like your gaming one and it's
53:00
like gaming websites L detectives.com steam all that crap yeah I'd love that
53:05
that would be pretty cool I don't know if that's a thing but that would be cool yeah we'll have to look into it I mean
53:10
honestly I've been gearing up for the trip to Germany making sure that we're
53:14
going to have some videos while we're gone we've actually got some great
53:17
videos queued up we're going to be taking a look at the 5820k so that's
53:22
Intel's lower cost six core on LGA 2011
53:25
versus the 5 30k and because the main
53:28
difference between these chips is like a 6% difference in clock
53:33
speed and that's it except that the
53:36
5820k has quite a few fewer it's
53:39
actually got 12 fewer PCI Express Lanes
53:42
so multi-GPU support is limited in terms of how much bandwidth it can deliver to
53:47
each card so we take a really close look at how that affects performance then
53:52
we've got another really great one where we're going to be looking at SLI scaling
53:56
with GT gtx980 from 1 GPU to 2 to 3 to 4
54:00
at 4K how it scales and how the gameplay experience is affected by adding more
54:05
graphics cards so I'm I'm pretty I'm pretty stoked on it those will be pretty
54:08
cool videos and then I even have my ultimate keycap replacement guide yes
54:12
I've been working on a lot lately I think that's scheduled for next Tuesday
54:15
night it's an ultimate guide so remember guys our ultimate guides are the best
54:20
videos we can make so our build guides things like that uh graphics card water
54:25
block install guide although that's a bit of an older Ultimate Guide we're
54:28
better now but uh luk is looking like
54:31
it's shaping up to be pretty darn cool the only thing I'm worried about is
54:35
while it's being edited I will not be in the country yes and it's very long so I
54:42
don't know I hope that works out quite well but we're not entirely sure and
54:46
then one of the most exciting things of my week because anytime any news comes
54:51
from Mr Elon Musk at all ever I get
54:54
super excited um there's more information about the Tesla Model D so
54:58
all he released was a picture of like a garage door that was partially open and
55:02
you could just kind of see like the headlights and a little bit of the front of the car um but people are not
55:09
entirely sure what it is it could be that cheap uh well cheap quote unquote
55:15
car that Tesla has been talking about for a little while or that might not be
55:18
the reveal it could be something else completely different because they've already been talking about that a little
55:22
bit people are unsure I personally think it's probably going to be the cheap one
55:25
that they've been talking talking about especially because the front of the car looked like a car and not a different
55:30
type of thing like an SUV yeah I saw some speculation oh maybe they'll unveil
55:34
a truck but it looked too low it didn't
55:37
look like a truck so yeah it looked like a car so it's probably the uh cheaper
55:43
version of a Tesla that they've been talking about for a little while and they've also said that there's other
55:48
information coming soon which is probably talking about by the way that
55:52
was posted on the Forum by heisen blur
55:56
blg thank you heisen blurg and then this
56:00
next topic which is Elon mus saying that Teslas will be able to self-drive 90% of
56:04
the time was posted on the Forum by Sherman tanker that's incredible that is
56:09
incredible sorry he hasn't said the date yet that's the incredible part uh what
56:14
is it 2015 2015 comly oh wait no model X
56:18
is coming early 2015 so yeah sometime next year which is pretty insane and I
56:23
love how smug he is about everything and then he just manages to do it that's my
56:27
favorite part what we're a Silicon Valley company so if you know we're not
56:30
leading the way then all is not right in
56:33
the universe basically cuz I mean it's not like other car manufacturers aren't
56:38
talking about self-driving or excuse me as musk calls it autopilot yeah which I
56:43
personally think is way cooler oh yeah
56:46
like 100 self-driving car or car with
56:49
autopilot badass yeah I want car with autopilot it's not like other guys
56:53
aren't talking about it GM's promised a handsfree mode for some 2017 models and
56:59
most are speculating 2020 as a reasonable year for the release of
57:02
self-driving cars I want autopilot cars
57:06
musk claims it's months away from retail
57:09
for his 90% autopilot and some of the
57:12
things that he's talking about that would be in the 10% are stuff like uh
57:17
difficult to manage uh like terrain
57:20
right and like debris on the road it's not like they can't they can't just kind
57:24
of cruise around right now it's it's the bad situations that you want your car to
57:28
be able to handle can't necessarily handle yet and you know the funny thing
57:32
about it is these things that self-driving or autopilot cars have to
57:37
overcome now are mostly to do with other
57:42
drivers being hazards so they have to overcome
57:45
this just to gain enough acceptance to
57:49
eventually make it to a future where it doesn't matter because every other car
57:53
on the road will behave in a predictable manner yeah but then there is other that
57:57
bizarre and that is bizarre and you are completely correct but there is other
58:01
reasons why they might have to be careful too if if a house Falls over and
58:05
there's debris in the road or if there's if there's some sort of rock fall
58:09
adverse weather effects that are somehow unpredictable in some way all these
58:14
kinds of things telephone po that gets knocked over but those are much less
58:18
frequent than some drunk dude crashing into a wall and making debris go all
58:22
over the road so that is more what they have to take care of uh I know Elon Musk
58:27
I I tweeted him a hilarious thing about wanting the D and I think half of the
58:31
entire internet did as well and he replied the next day saying like oh the
58:35
internet is hilarious that wasn't my intention I don't believe you at all
58:40
that is yeah no no no because okay he wanted
58:47
to release cars in the order of um SE
58:50
and X because he thought that would be funny and then announcing like asking
58:54
people if they want to know more about the D are you kidding
58:58
me so much inuendo there's no way that's
59:01
not that's not intentional so intentional oh my goodness I love it and
59:06
that's hilarious and it's cool to see someone running one of these massive
59:10
very important companies being able to like have a joke about these kind have a
59:14
sense of humor about this stuff I mean why does product naming have to be so
59:19
stuffy yeah you know have some fun with it I mean I'm sure that at least a
59:25
handful of you have noticed that our secondary channel is called Techquickie
59:29
and that our primary format is called fast as
59:33
possible come on now more people have noticed you know the number of people
59:37
who have pointed that out to me as if I
59:40
didn't know by the way your channel is
59:44
very like innuendo not sure if you knew
59:47
yeah silly jokes on the W show sometimes I thought perhaps you didn't notice that
59:51
did you know that fast as possible is an acronym for something else
59:56
no wa really you know how long it came
60:00
us to it took us to come up with that name and eventually we found one that
60:04
fit was like wow that's awesome and went with that yeah even Techquickie even
60:08
Techquickie we uh we we couldn't even find the channel name that was available
60:13
that we were happy with we actually bought Techquickie for a GTX 670 and a
60:19
3 terabyte hard drive I shipped it to
60:22
some guy in Singapore and he transferred the channel to me
60:26
that's hilarious yeah it actually had a bunch of videos on it so he transferred
60:30
the channel to me I nuked them all we started over nice he wasn't going to do
60:34
the deal with me until he um until he
60:37
saw our primary Channel and he was like oh yeah you guys are like you guys are
60:42
pretty cool you guys do cool stuff you need this more than I do oh but I would
60:47
definitely like some hardware for it I was like okay man sure dude here you go
60:51
we got this that's kind of cool I didn't actually know that story I knew we
60:55
acquired it through some way and I know we traded Hardware but I didn't know
60:58
like the whole yeah no he didn't even want to do it cuz it was actually tied
61:02
to an email address that he used oh so
61:05
he was like yeah I'm not using the YouTube channel but I'd really rather
61:09
keep this and I kind of went dude please we've got big plans we've got stuff we
61:14
want to do this is important and he went yeah okay okay I wonder if every once in
61:18
a while he like he CHS back and was like oh cool I don't know maybe have you
61:21
heard from him at all or no not at all that's interesting yeah funny hey anyway
61:25
anyways I guess we can move on to like real show yeah I want to thank Scott for
61:30
coming on the show yeah great guest lots of great information I know that some of
61:35
it might have been a little bit sort of higher level than some of the stuff that
61:39
we normally talk about but uh guys Scott
61:42
knows a ton and everything he said there was really great information he's one of
61:48
the most trustworthy voices in the
61:51
entire tech industry okay he's a true
61:54
journalist he so much about the truth and the real information so you guys
61:59
should definitely check out the tech report definitely pay attention to what
62:03
Scott's doing especially if you were captivated by his presence here on our
62:07
show he does have a podcast so you guys should check that out as well normally I
62:11
would like for him to be able to outro himself but unfortunately our Skype
62:14
connection was lost and we can't bring him back on so uh there you go guys big
62:20
thanks to Scott for coming on the show today and we thought that was great yep
62:24
that was actually absolutely fantastic was the PCI Express 4.0 conversation on
62:30
the mainstream no it wasn't on the mainstream yeah that was actually like
62:33
my favorite part of the whole thing just knowledge bombs in the middle of nowhere
62:38
I know I wanted to bring him back I wanted to come back to that while we
62:42
were actually live on the show so Scott was talking about PCI Express 4.0 which
62:47
is basically we've reached the limit of
62:51
of what can be achieved by connecting
62:54
graphics cards to other things and in the system via copper and PCI Express
62:59
4.0 is going to be probably serveron technology at least for quite some time
63:04
because of how expensive it's going to be to implement with like
63:08
repeaters signal repeaters built into a
63:11
motherboard just to get the signal far enough yeah because they have to make it
63:16
so ridiculously tight because to get baned with that fast over copper it has
63:19
to be pretty short really really cool so he was talking about how they're going
63:23
to have to get into other Technologies outside of oper and apparently they're
63:26
already working on this and it's kind of maybe working it's kind of working yeah
63:31
oh man that was actually a really interesting conversation that was my yeah my favorite part about him having
63:35
him on the show was that and that's not on the main show unfortunate yeah don't
63:39
worry we'll uh we'll we'll have him back at some point um Nexus six specs have
63:44
been leaked so the original article here is from Android police and this was
63:48
posted on the Forum by top war gamer thank you top war gamer for posting that
63:51
let's go ahead and pop this up on the screen this is the Motorola Nexus 6 a
63:56
5.9 in Quad HD display with a 3200
64:00
milliamp Plus Battery dual front facing speakers and more and I hate it why it's
64:07
a fablet oh yeah okay it's almost 6 in
64:11
yeah I mean I understand that no I don't
64:16
understand this well how big is it I know it's not but how is a uh I
64:21
understand having a fablet in your product lineup y i get that but Google's
64:27
Nexus line is the one phone that pardon
64:31
the pun is supposed to be one size fits all and a fablet does not fit all like
64:37
the D period oh no there's lots of
64:40
different sizes of D's that are needed um I was just yeah anyways uh it's yeah
64:46
so the the Note 4 is kind of a huge phone and this is2 larger because the
64:51
Note 4 is 5.7 in this is 5.9 so this is
64:55
extremely frustrating to me because I already find a 5 in phone to be pretty
65:00
much the limit for me okay and and I always used to play Devil's Advocate and
65:03
say that I liked bigger phones like I have bigger hands or whatever but I
65:07
actually really like this phone you've been using the Moto X my Moto X and
65:12
whenever I use bigger phones now I'm like you know what I can reach the other corner I don't want to have to reach for
65:16
the other corner it's easier when I can just click on it and I know some people
65:20
are going to like destroy me for that but like it doesn't it doesn't matter I
65:24
use my phone more for like production style stuff so like like
65:29
emails utility stuff yeah I'm not watching videos on it really I'll listen
65:34
to music doesn't matter having a huge screen for music because it just sits in
65:38
my pocket so like I I listen to music I read emails I read documents I type
65:44
things up I reply to emails text messages phone calls that kind of stuff
65:48
so I don't actually necessarily care about a huge screen anymore I used to
65:52
because I used to game on my phone a little bit right but I haven't seen so
65:56
over gaming on my phone yeah and like especially with Smash Bros which is
66:00
awesome I can actually talk about it now because it released this morning oh yeah
66:03
you've been playing it for how long like two weeks ni so good the only
66:08
unfortunate part was now that I actually had to go get my own copy because they
66:11
get the review copy back it's all saved on the card oh so I lost all my progress
66:16
go Nintendo um but the
66:23
um sup weird noise um the Hyrule
66:26
Warriors one it saves locally to your Wii U oh nice so I had to get another
66:30
copy of that but then I still have my save so I went further in that game and
66:34
smash is more about just fighting so it's not that big of a deal um but yeah
66:38
tons of fun and I would way rather play that than something on my phone right so
66:43
I just haul my 2DS with me and then everyone knows what a shield lover I am
66:47
yeah so then you have the shield and like if if if I didn't have a 2DS I
66:50
would go with the shield I would not go with a phone with Shield at 200 bucks
66:55
that's a brainer for me yeah for a proper
66:58
controller um yeah no I don't know I I'm not really into phone gaming so I don't
67:03
see the point I don't know I was happy when I first saw this before I saw the
67:07
size because I was looking at stuff like oh okay so they brought forward facing
67:11
speakers that's cool they fix the battery problem that's cool and then
67:14
they have a lot of the other features that that the other Moto X would have
67:19
which is that's also cool yeah it's very similar to the new Moto X so it's got
67:22
the same aluminum frame around the outside looks very very similar other
67:26
than being larger but ring flash a lot of the a lot of the Innovations here
67:30
aren't really that meaningful to me especially things like a Quad HD display
67:35
I reviewed the G3 there's a lot more to a display than resolution so much more
67:40
there's a whole world of contrast and
67:44
color reproduction out there that has nothing to do with how many pixels you
67:48
can cram into a space and that's one thing I brought up in my Note 4 video
67:51
from CTI was that they had an extremely high resolution display on the Note 4
67:55
but they didn't sacrifice what it looked like right so the the color still looks
68:00
really good which was not a thing on the G3 well that and because Samsung's going
68:05
to be using AMOLED they're not going to lose contrast the way that the way that
68:10
a typical LCD will like the um the HTC1
68:14
M8 is an LCD screen but it's got great
68:17
contrast which makes it easier to use outside than the G3 in spite of all the
68:21
pixels because it's contrast ratio so the difference between the darkest darks
68:25
and the whitest whites is not as high whereas AMOLED is able to turn the
68:30
pixels right off when they're not being used so you'll typically have excellent
68:35
contrast so that's why something like that is going to work a little bit better and while you might not
68:39
necessarily care about the higher resolution on a Note 4 because you're
68:42
probably not going to be able to know the difference if you get something like a gear VR you'll be able to tell the
68:46
difference when it's right there in front of your face kind curious to try
68:50
gear VR it's surprisingly good but there
68:53
is also drawbacks have we talked about on the show before we have yeah okay so
68:56
I'm not going to dive into it much but I think it's going to be retail available
68:59
and not way too long so we might be able to try one out if we get a note 4 it's
69:02
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69:05
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72:54
R modes will be hot swappable thanks to modified Android L this was posted on
73:00
TechnoBuffalo we should have joh back
73:04
his baby must be quite a bit older now yeah John John ringer from TechnoBuffalo
73:08
he was one of the best guests we've ever had we got a we got to bring him back
73:12
maybe when uh maybe when Nexus 6 drops or something like that we'll bring him
73:16
on to talk about it I haven't checked with him so obviously no promises but he
73:20
did say he'd come on the show again at some point but the coolest thing about
73:24
this besides besides being able to swap you know cameras let's say for example
73:29
you can swap the battery while it's
73:34
running whoa It's like what what are they
73:38
Tesla okay you can't do it while it's running but you can do it very quickly
73:41
on a Tesla yes faster than you can fill up your card with gas but how cool is
73:45
that okay that's actually pretty awesome so Project Ara I've gone from being
73:49
extremely skeptical to being extremely hopeful to being extremely not
73:54
interested because I was sure it was going to be very very lowend stuff to
73:59
being pretty interested again all of a sudden it's got It's got a little bit of
74:04
onboard uh it's got a little bit of onboard power so you will actually be
74:08
able to potentially mid call swap
74:12
battery packs for True continuous use and like I've had people that I work
74:16
with in the past carry around multiple batteries with them with their phone
74:20
they never actually plugged this was this was one specific guy that I worked
74:23
with he would always have two spare batteries with him at all points in time
74:27
and the battery in his phone and he would never plug in his phone to charge
74:30
if it was getting low he'd turn it off swap the battery out turn it back on and
74:33
keep going just like that eh and he would just always charge his batteries
74:37
so this phone will be perfect for him I know he won't get it because he works
74:40
for his very specific company but this phone would have been perfect for
74:44
him and I do know people that would like doing that as well because like when
74:49
when uh there's there's that what is it commercial yeah there's a commercial
74:53
going on right now where the the guy his boss calls him and he's on a golf course
74:57
and his boss is yelling at him for something and the phone only has 4% battery left and it just dies during the
75:01
call and he's like now I don't have a job anymore you had one of these it's
75:05
not the battery up yeah I'm sure that's going to be the the ad for
75:08
it no no no there is an ad right now oh
75:12
where the guy loses his job while he's on a golf course because his phone dies no I just mean I'm sure that's going to
75:16
be the ad for Project R I'm sure that's going to be like exactly what they're
75:21
going for I I think it's probably going to be it's going to be more about the
75:24
Google Play Type store that they currently Envision for parts where
75:29
you'll be able to shop lenses or shop
75:33
processors or whatever else and just quickly and easily order new swappable
75:38
parts for your project rphone I I think it's incredibly cool and I'm now getting
75:42
pretty excited about that would be cool because one thing I'm worried about is taking my Moto X with me to
75:47
Germany sorry um and not being it's not
75:51
your mom is it no new employees leaving oh okay
75:55
bye thank you thank you bye um it is my
75:58
pictures going to suck right freaking
76:02
camera's terrible right like it's it's not good it's specifically not good and
76:07
like I don't have a here you can borrow mine you going to be using this I don't
76:12
know if you look at the lens you might know why I was going to lend it to you oh yeah that's not good yeah I crack
76:16
cracked the lens on my one I contacted HTC support so maybe I'll maybe I'll
76:20
tweet my results but I'm contacting them just as a regular guy through the
76:24
regular support channels and I'm going to see how they treat me um so
76:29
far I had I had one lady tell me that
76:32
for sure it was going to be covered and then she wanted me to check with my
76:36
carrier to see if they would deal with the RMA for me first before calling them
76:39
back and they'd escalate me and I kind of went well I didn't get the phone through my carrier so probably not my
76:43
carrier wasn't interested so I called back and the second lady said we can't
76:47
guarantee that it's going to be covered and you're going to have to pay to send
76:51
the phone and I'm okay with paying to send the phone to their RMA Center that's pretty standard in the tech
76:55
industry um but if they don't cover this cracked lens I'm going to be pretty not
77:01
impressed because the only way that that lens could be cracked is if there's
77:05
something bloody well wrong with it cuz the rest of it all around it absolutely
77:10
perfect Immaculate and this lens is fine it's a bit of a known issue that that
77:14
main camera lens cover is uh is not that
77:18
great there are things you can do if you use a very mild abrasive like toothpaste
77:22
you can get the coating off of it that has been causing it to appear kind of
77:26
scratchy and then it's fine and uh but
77:29
but with it cracked obviously that ain't going to help me much so let's see I
77:34
it's kind of fun being a normal customer every once in a while for me and just
77:37
seeing how people treat me um but yeah I was even thinking about
77:42
possibly maybe getting that camera that Austin will never stop talking about at
77:46
21 but I'm not going to because I don't want to spend that much money how much
77:50
is it 800 bucks oh wow yeah you don't seem like the kind of person who I don't
77:54
think you've spent $800 on anything since I met you other than your
77:59
car no definitely not um yeah so I don't
78:06
know he wants new computer hardware he just steals
78:10
it people ask me if I get stuff from work and I'm like no I take stuff from
78:21
work anyways um yeah oh well all right
78:27
uh Facebook is doing an about face book
78:32
on their real name policy so the this was posted by by Mega zero on the Forum
78:38
and the original source is the Wall Street Journal okay so let's go ahead
78:42
and pop that on there there we go hopefully that'll load at some point
78:47
which like okay I I find this slightly hilarious because while I feel bad for
78:51
the people that had their names forcibly revealed
78:55
I may or may not and people that I know may or may not have Facebook accounts
79:00
under their gamertags that have existed for a very long time that have never
79:06
been changed which last names with like first
79:10
and last names that are definitely not
79:13
real right but like not even real names
79:16
well the issue here was that it seemed to be a um a person or group of people
79:22
targeting drag queens and
79:27
so Facebook because the tools are mostly automated just kind of went through and
79:32
and forced all these people to submit library cards or gym memberships or
79:36
whatever else to to validate their names and of course they couldn't because they
79:41
go by let's say for example a stage name that is not their real name legally and
79:48
and so basically it was a targeted attack on these people forcing them to
79:51
reveal their legal names and um that is
79:55
why Facebook is kind of going well hold on a second that's not really what we
79:58
meant to do here and they're re-evaluating the policy saying well
80:02
hold on a second what we were really trying to achieve is to have people use
80:07
a name that they use in real life not necessarily that we wanted everyone to
80:12
force forcibly reveal their legal name
80:15
because honestly they want they want a name that they can Target advertisements at yes that's what they want yeah that's
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all they care about yeah so they don't care about getting your real like government issued name but they want the
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name that you're using online so they can Target ads to you that's right so
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they're not really trying to be oppressive in that way they just want to be it just happened yeah cuz automated
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tools yeah yeah reasons why people are scared about
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automated driving speaking of automated in Facebook and scary uh Facebook's
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developing giant unmanned planes that are designed to fly for months at a time
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this was posted by ethod on the Forum thank you for that and the original
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article here is from the BBC so they're
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planning to have them fly above the weather which I believe is yeah 60,000
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to 990,000 Ft which is huge it's supposed to be about 6 or seven Priuses
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in length I love how they're using this as a unit of measurement six or seven
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Priuses in length which I believe is about two luses so we're looking at
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about 12 to 14 lus 14 luses and then and
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then or like about or about two school
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buses yeah there you go and uh where is
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it about the weight of four tires of a Prius so weighs basically nothing wow
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that's incredible I think that's why like they're supposed to be solar
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powered for one which is insane that's
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that's incredible that's that is kind of incredible so I'm assuming if they're solar power they're going to have to be
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some type of uh propeller base cuz
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you're going to have to move something instead of having a
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jet so that's interesting not entirely sure how they're going to do that I
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don't think there's a ton of information about that yet not yet could be
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interesting they're planning on getting Wi-Fi to a whole bunch of different places in the world with the intent of
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totally not just advertising to even more people but getting more people
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online to help with uh just spread of information so you can get people out of
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poverty and help with child mortality and stuff like that yeah all all the
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stuff all a lot of the stuff that's
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going to be achieved thanks to this initiative is going to be extremely
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positive oh yeah definitely not I was just kind of poking fun but I mean I
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think you know if we look at why Facebook invests in anything are they
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ultimately after themselves and their own interests of course
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yes they're going to do that a publicly traded company Lo no less they have to
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justify everything they do to shareholders so so wait till the
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shareholders meeting and then you'll figure out why they're actually doing it yeah exactly but it will be
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overwhelmingly positive for a lot of people unless the internet access is
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only to Facebook but I doubt that'll be a thing all right do28 posted this on
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the Forum and Kano has evidently shipped
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their build learn to code computer kits
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to the first batch of backers we actually got one yeah so we did back it
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and um I'm actually going to have Luke probably do the review on this when he
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gets back but do you want to tell people a little bit about the Kano either way
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before I get people into it I'm going to have you as part of the video because
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part of the idea is that it's supposed to take uh hacking round with code and
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learning uh computational thinking Child's Play not that's that's just kind
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of no it's supposed to make it easier and
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it's supposed to make it easier to understand and just having instead of just having it be raw code all over the
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place there'll be examples and it'll
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Build You Up you'll learn as you as you play with it and I want you to try it as
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someone who hasn't programmed just to see how the how the like barrier of
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Entry is so we'll get both perspectives yeah because the barrier of Entry to
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coding can be brutal for a lot of people and then once you start rolling it's a
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lot easier but the barri of Entry sucks and a big part of this project is is to
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lower or lessen that barrier of Entry so it should be pretty interesting but it's
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essentially a little Raspberry Pi single board Linux based computer that has some
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of their software on it which helps teach you how to code it's not the most
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super complicated thing but it is a very cheap way to get into programming and it
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can essentially build you up a whole computer you just have to add like a screen and stuff yep they're going to
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get into modular components at some point in the future here screens battery
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sensors lights Robotics and all kinds of stuff like that so the future looks
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pretty bright for these guys they actually just brought in uh the former
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CEO of match.com as their Chief Operating Officer yeah I think right now
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it comes with the keyboard right keyboard with a little touchpad on it I think so all you need to do is hook it
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up to a screen so if you walk around with this thing you could have the the
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power brick and the little keyboard and the mini raspberry power unit you just
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have to hook it up to a screen you're good to go anywhere which is actually pretty
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cool all right so I think we've got uh
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probably a couple more couple more topics here and then we might just have
84:54
to wrap things up sure what do you think is next EA finally fixed Battlefield 4
85:00
and apparently they're releasing some stuff to Sims like pools which probably
85:04
should have been there in the in the beginning but they're not charging people for it which a lot of people were
85:08
expecting so you're getting uh swimming pools ghosts and Star Wars theme content
85:14
along with some new careers paths and all of that should be free cool which I
85:19
don't necessarily care about but we did Hammer them for that so we should have
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that positive so we should we should be nice when they do good things we should
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all right EA we'll be nice but Ubisoft we're still mad at
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you yeah you didn't make Shadows of
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Mordor yeah I know right I'm really excited to play it the I've seen some
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complaints about the combat still being kind of simplistic but I want to I want
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to really play it for myself before I before I judge it here uh there's a good
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post on the Forum comparing it to the Batman series um especially the combat
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saying it's just not as deep and it's
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very frustrating to play without uh Telegraph attack indicators because the
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the telegraphs are not as clear and it ends up a lot of the time just being a
86:04
cluster hump of of Bad Dudes around you and it's kind of hard to manage and then
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playing with telegrass on pretty easy so
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yeah that makes sense I I you played The Batman Batman series a lot more
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thoroughly than I did mhm so you'll probably have more input on that side I
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barely touched the Batman series so I won't really even know um I know when I
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play I'm going to try and play with the little Telegraph things but I'm probably
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going to get murdered but I don't necessarily mind dying in games right as
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long as it's possible for me to keep progressing yeah I'm okay as long as it's fair yeah yeah make it fair I mean
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not like Warcraft 2 where you would play a One V one against a computer on an
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eight player map and then if you watch the replay or just turn off fog of war
86:49
with a cheat you could watch their first Soldier or grunt walk straight to your
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base it's like come on at least search
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like at least try to search at least pretend to like hardcoded in so they
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look in one place that you're not before so so you always knew you had to build
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one guard Tower before anything else so
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that you could deal with that stupid first and second
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attack kind of brutal yeah so I don't know I'll probably try it the hard way
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just cuz it sounds kind of fun and the combat does seem pretty simplistic so
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far and removing that will make the combat not simplistic at all so I don't
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know we'll see all right well I think that's pretty much it for the show here
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y oh whoops dang it
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oh there's a lot of people asking about the 1 million subscriber giveaway that's
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already been announced and the winners are linked under last week's man show
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that's that's done I've actually got the
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uh the the the gaming notebook sitting at NC ready to ship out to the winner so
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yeah good stuff hooray all right see you guys