1 00:00:01,599 --> 00:00:07,160 okay wow time again so I've got a 2 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:11,200 terrific story for you guys if you're not tired of my excuses for why this 3 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:17,560 show is always late 25 minutes my favorite thing ever 4 00:00:15,799 --> 00:00:24,119 is that like every time you're gone we're always 5 minutes 5 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:26,599 early well I was fixing a problem that 6 00:00:24,119 --> 00:00:31,439 maybe had you been more on the ball and proactive we wouldn't have had so you're 7 00:00:29,199 --> 00:00:34,800 the one that on having the computer streaming that had a zap strap around 8 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:39,520 the heat sink so that it could keep running that zap strap was in is 9 00:00:37,160 --> 00:00:45,480 incredibly reliable technology plastic never fails plastic holds together 10 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:50,280 plastic never fails unless UV then plastic then plastic fails very quickly 11 00:00:48,160 --> 00:00:55,320 um so so guys basically what happened is last week we had Paul and Kyle formerly 12 00:00:52,359 --> 00:01:01,079 of New Egg TV on and we were dropping frames like mad it was no good it was 13 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:05,640 terrible during the stream so I realized about half an hour before today's stream 14 00:01:03,519 --> 00:01:10,400 was supposed to start that we had a guest Skyping in this week and built the 15 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:15,280 computer yet we hadn't actually swapped out the CPU we had we had done nothing 16 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:18,960 to make the the computer actually work and not drop frames all over the 17 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:24,600 freaking place so I actually did a motherboard CPU RAM swap reinstalled all 18 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:27,560 the capture cards reconfigured xsplit because all the capture settings are 19 00:01:25,799 --> 00:01:32,360 messed up cuz they're all in different slots they've got different IDs now cuz 20 00:01:30,119 --> 00:01:36,520 you have multiple capture cards they're just it'll arbitrarily well this is 21 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:39,840 number one and this is two and this is so if that changes xplit doesn't 22 00:01:38,159 --> 00:01:44,759 remember anything we had to redo the color we've actually this room has 23 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:48,960 someone's chair in it and desk now because we've added another body here at 24 00:01:46,320 --> 00:01:52,920 lonus Media Group so we had to move the entire thing it's a miracle we're live 25 00:01:50,719 --> 00:01:57,719 at all but of course what I really meant to say is so I'm 26 00:01:54,880 --> 00:02:00,640 sorry and thank you for tuning in and uh we're going to get on with the show now 27 00:01:59,119 --> 00:02:06,960 so we've got a lot of to Windows excuse me 10 10 Windows 10 28 00:02:05,399 --> 00:02:10,679 there's a technical preview you can go ahead and download it uh we'll talk a 29 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:17,120 little bit about what's new in Windows 10 or more specifically what is old and 30 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:22,440 not the new thing that we hated anymore also Tesla is pretty sure that when they 31 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:27,160 show you the D they are you are going to want it I do I want the d from what I 32 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:32,360 can see so far just like the the head peeking out I want the d wow 33 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:36,319 I can't that's the picture they've launched okay why don't you just go 34 00:02:34,239 --> 00:02:39,959 ahead and talk about other topics Scott Watson will be live with us very soon so 35 00:02:38,239 --> 00:02:45,000 we'll have him on the show from the tech report yeah man Samsung will be on the 36 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:48,760 te 14 nmet chips for AMD Which Scott Watson will probably talk about yeah I 37 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:52,080 would think so in fact tech report that's going to be a great topic for us 38 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:56,360 to uh to pick his brain about yep Project Ara will have hot swap modules 39 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:59,480 with a Google Play like store where you'll be able to buy all their stuff 40 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:03,360 super easily and you'll even be able to probably swap out their battery without 41 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:07,840 fully turning off your phone think of Project Ara kind of like a multi-bit 42 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:11,959 screwdriver you see I could have kept using the screwdriver while I swapped 43 00:03:10,319 --> 00:03:16,879 component well okay not quite okay Project Ara better than a screwdriver better 44 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:22,959 than a multi-bit screwdriver except when you need a 45 00:03:18,599 --> 00:03:22,959 screwdriver let's roll the stupid intro 46 00:03:45,159 --> 00:03:51,760 all right so we had no audio for the first part of this and I'm supposed to 47 00:03:48,799 --> 00:03:57,840 be introducing our sponsors for today so no intro audio at all no intro a oh what 48 00:03:54,040 --> 00:04:00,599 no I had it apparently they 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around oh 58 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:45,960 my God I can dance all day I can dance all day look at my sponsors sponsors 59 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:51,039 anyway let's go back to uh apparently they did have audio and people are just being 60 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:55,440 trolls twitch chat horrible all right so guys we're 61 00:04:53,680 --> 00:05:01,520 not going to waste too much time because we told Scott he was going to be joining 62 00:04:57,199 --> 00:05:02,840 us at around 5:00 and and it is now 5:00 63 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:10,360 That was supposed to be half an hour into the show but the show just started 64 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:12,840 so Scott you're live welcome to the show 65 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:16,880 want to do a quick introduction to who exactly this Scott guy is and why he's 66 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:21,160 on their screens so am I giving the introduction 67 00:05:19,280 --> 00:05:28,800 or you giving the introduction I will introduce you okay so Scott is basically 68 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:31,600 a like a gray hair of the industry you know yeah 69 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:37,479 I would I would have called him a Gray beard but I don't think he can grow a beard any more than I can so it's not 70 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:43,560 good yeah so guys Scott is one of the most 71 00:05:41,039 --> 00:05:47,840 respected Tech reviewers Tech writers in the industry he's been doing it a long 72 00:05:45,840 --> 00:05:51,800 time like a really long time sorry Scott I'll stop with the old stuff but he's 73 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:56,800 been doing it a long time he's you're not 74 00:05:53,639 --> 00:05:59,160 wrong he's extremely experienced and 75 00:05:56,800 --> 00:06:02,800 basically if you wanted to get on you know a video video call with someone and 76 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:06,599 kind of you know hey can you talk technical to me you know that kind of 77 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:11,280 thing you would want you would want Scott on your Skype so we're going to 78 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:13,759 hit some pretty hard tech topics and you 79 00:06:11,280 --> 00:06:19,720 guys can find him over at the techreport tocom they have lots of great articles 80 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:19,720 about um I think 81 00:06:20,199 --> 00:06:25,919 fures see right when you said did fur I thought you were going with like for me 82 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:31,120 and I was like that's a little old so I thought you were going in with the old jokes again I was like that's not that 83 00:06:28,479 --> 00:06:38,000 old though yeah it's like it's like I don't know nope Furby 3dfx SLI coverage 84 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:43,599 gForce 4 review if you want to read it there you go there you go see GeForce 4 85 00:06:41,639 --> 00:06:50,400 to give you some idea so back in the GeForce 4 days I was still looking at 86 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:55,599 like the local computer paper Y and trying to figure out what an AGP 87 00:06:55,960 --> 00:07:02,919 was and you were reviewing graphics cards so Scott why don't we kick things 88 00:07:00,599 --> 00:07:06,919 off with actually something that we that we didn't really put in your guest 89 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:11,560 section as far as I know have you heard the rumor have you heard the news sort 90 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:17,120 of news we're not sure rumor right now about AMD potentially partnering with 91 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:20,440 Samsung to produce 14 nanometer chips 92 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:21,919 yes yeah and and you know I don't we 93 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:28,160 wrote a story about this and we asked AMD to comment and I don't think they got back to us um so I'm not sure it's 94 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:33,919 confirmed but it makes sense for a couple reasons um you know AMD gets a 95 00:07:30,919 --> 00:07:36,680 lot of it chips made at its own former 96 00:07:33,919 --> 00:07:41,479 Fabs by a company called run now by a company called Global foundaries yeah 97 00:07:38,879 --> 00:07:45,680 and glofo as I like to call them and they don't like that 98 00:07:43,039 --> 00:07:50,960 but they've had some trouble getting to the next process node shrinking their 99 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:52,639 chips down and um they are part of a 100 00:07:50,960 --> 00:08:00,080 common platform Alliance they Share technology with IBM and Samsung and so 101 00:07:57,319 --> 00:08:06,400 these guys kind of work together to make things go and an unusual thing happened 102 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:10,319 earlier this year um glofo licensed 103 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:12,599 Samsung's uh 14 nmet process from them 104 00:08:10,319 --> 00:08:17,400 and we think that probably I think probably AMD was kind of behind that 105 00:08:14,879 --> 00:08:24,400 they didn't like glo's Pro progress toward getting to that node and Samsung 106 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:26,039 had made it or gotten close um and so 107 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:29,800 there was a sort of a technology transfer but now it sounds like maybe 108 00:08:27,879 --> 00:08:34,640 Samsung's going to just make chips irly for AMD so here's uh here's kind of an 109 00:08:33,279 --> 00:08:40,440 interesting thing this would be the first time in even as long as you've 110 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:43,519 been covering Tech that that someone 111 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:46,000 that someone might potentially be at the 112 00:08:43,519 --> 00:08:51,399 same level as Intel for an extended period of time I mean Intel's they're 113 00:08:48,519 --> 00:08:57,279 not that close to or wait excuse me so they're on 14 now but they're not that 114 00:08:55,399 --> 00:09:03,480 close to 10 are they like we just heard about them announcing a 10 nanometer Fab 115 00:09:00,519 --> 00:09:08,600 that they're building yeah in Israel but this that means that AMD Apple Samsung 116 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:14,279 could all be on the same process node as Intel for a little while here well it's 117 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:18,000 yeah the hard part about that is that the other guys are still talking about 118 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:24,360 14 and Intel has been shipping 14 in volume for a couple months um and so 119 00:09:21,959 --> 00:09:27,760 that the talking about it and getting there are different things I think 120 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:30,959 Samsung has done some test chips and things like that I'm not completely up 121 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:36,480 on this status of that but my sense is they're not yet shipping 14 nmet stuff 122 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:42,360 in volume um at least not the types of chips that we're talking about them 123 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:43,920 building for AMD so yeah it would be 124 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:49,760 nice to think that everybody could catch up with Intel but uh I don't know it 125 00:09:47,399 --> 00:09:54,920 hasn't happened for a long time and everybody's road map always says they're 126 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:57,120 going to and then they never do it when 127 00:09:54,920 --> 00:10:01,680 was when was the last time you might you might remember this 128 00:09:59,519 --> 00:10:07,680 wow I don't know like somewhere around 90 nmet maybe um right so that was back 129 00:10:04,959 --> 00:10:13,240 in what pre Prescott days yeah I mean you remember the Intel's penum 4 stuff 130 00:10:10,279 --> 00:10:17,720 wasn't great and uh their 90 nanometer process was somewhat leaky so it 131 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:21,120 consumed a lot of power they had a chip architecture problem too but they had a 132 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:25,720 lot of problems at the same time and and Manufacturing was one of them AMD had 133 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:31,160 some goodness going on with copper interconnects and a silicon on insulator 134 00:10:28,279 --> 00:10:37,279 and things like that and so they there was there there was a time there when it 135 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:40,160 wasn't entirely clear like it has been for the past four or five years that 136 00:10:38,680 --> 00:10:45,639 Intel was in the league compared to everybody else right so speaking of the 137 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:51,360 kinds of chips that AMD would want someone like Samsung to build it 14 138 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:55,600 nanometer uh there's rumors a foot of a 139 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:57,959 new FX replacement finally a legitimate 140 00:10:55,600 --> 00:11:05,639 high performance chip from AMD to replace the a in FX lineup so is that 141 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:07,720 what we're looking at here and if so any 142 00:11:05,639 --> 00:11:14,240 idea when what do you think well I think the rumors are about apus or S so's and 143 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:22,720 if you look at the time frame involved um it's got to be 2015 right so if it's 144 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:26,560 2015 I'm not sure if that's soon enough for AMD to have a new core out but we 145 00:11:25,079 --> 00:11:32,839 know they have one in development the the ARM version of it is called the k12 146 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:35,639 and C6 is I think called Zen and that's 147 00:11:32,839 --> 00:11:41,000 a new big core that I my sense is that AMD is going to try to build something 148 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:45,880 that will compete with the hells and skylakes and whatever Intel has out by 149 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:51,600 the time it it's uh you know it ships a product I think we may be looking at 150 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:54,279 2016 for that core but I expect that 151 00:11:51,600 --> 00:12:00,120 when that core is ready it will go into apus and S so's and so if Samsung's 152 00:11:57,079 --> 00:12:01,800 making them then you could have assuming 153 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:06,480 that Samsung does a good job at 14 anomers you could have a nice 154 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:11,600 convergence of Samsung's process Tech with the new CPU architecture from AMD 155 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:16,000 so tell me something I mean we've seen so just a just a brief explanation for 156 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:22,760 the viewers of how the cost structure of a CPU actually works it's all about how 157 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:27,440 much how how many dieses you're going to get out of a wafer so Wafers are pretty 158 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:32,120 much an industry standard size and if you build a CPU that maybe you put 159 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:36,920 Mountain loads of cash on and you put a ton of cores in it and you make one 160 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:42,720 that's really big ultimately you have to buy a lot of these wafers in order to 161 00:12:39,279 --> 00:12:44,880 end up with X number of dyes out of that 162 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:48,320 wafer out of which some of them will be good and some of them will be corrupted 163 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:51,920 and won't be usable some of them will be partially usable so maybe they'll have 164 00:12:50,279 --> 00:12:56,199 less cash or they'll be clocked lower or whatever else the case may be exuse out 165 00:12:53,519 --> 00:13:02,600 of those so the way that processor manufacturers optimize for cost is they 166 00:12:59,199 --> 00:13:05,839 try to shrink all aspects of the chip so 167 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:10,560 that they can fit more chips onto a 168 00:13:05,839 --> 00:13:13,199 wafer so AMD by being a process node or 169 00:13:10,560 --> 00:13:18,320 even two behind Intel is at a huge disadvantage because they get far fewer 170 00:13:15,560 --> 00:13:24,000 chips out of these Wafers so their costs are inherently much higher if they 171 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:29,120 reached processed node parody and AMD was willing to take the kinds of margins 172 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:33,920 that they've been taking on their CPUs for quite some time Scott do you think 173 00:13:31,199 --> 00:13:38,839 they could build a CPU let's say not an APU let's say an fx CPU cuz we've seen 174 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:44,120 Intel spending so much of their die space on Graphics if AMD built a CPU at 175 00:13:42,079 --> 00:13:48,240 the same process node as Intel and crammed that much more logic into it 176 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:53,279 could we see a legitimate Leap Forward in CPU performance the likes of which we 177 00:13:50,079 --> 00:13:54,959 haven't seen in four or five years uh 178 00:13:53,279 --> 00:14:00,279 that would be nice it'd be nice if there were more value delivered byd right 179 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:03,639 question you know I think the reality is that if you look at the way that the the 180 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:06,759 chip manufacturing stuff works none of what you said is wrong but if you look 181 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:13,600 at like Intel's margins on their financial reports it's like 62% or some 182 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:15,560 crazy number um AMD's cost structure 183 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:19,839 doesn't have to be as awesome as intels for them to be very profitable they can 184 00:14:17,680 --> 00:14:24,240 be a node or two behind and they can have a a relatively larger chip that 185 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:29,120 they're manufacturing but if if it costs them $60 to make a chip and they sell it 186 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:34,480 for $200 and it costs Intel $40 to make the same chip they sell for 200 it's 187 00:14:31,519 --> 00:14:38,120 still not bad business to be in yeah and the thing is that the and and that goes 188 00:14:36,199 --> 00:14:41,040 up too right with optons and things like that it can be thousands of dollars 189 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:47,399 right and I remember one time I was talking with quizzing a guy with AMD about this about you know oh but you're 190 00:14:45,199 --> 00:14:51,240 behind on process node and you know those are really big chips and and one 191 00:14:49,839 --> 00:14:56,600 time they're taking two optons and putting them in the same socket um on a 192 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:58,120 on a one substrate you know and I said 193 00:14:56,600 --> 00:15:04,399 that's you know that's really costly isn't and he said yes maybe but every 194 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:10,040 one of those opter Rons that we sell for $1,200 is good business for AMD yeah and 195 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:14,839 so I think the key for AMD is to be able to offer a product that is a credible 196 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:22,480 alternative to Intel that has attractive performance and power consumption um and 197 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:24,759 they don't have to win to be uh winning 198 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:32,680 people's business and making money hasn't been doing exactly the new 199 00:15:30,759 --> 00:15:36,959 go ahead AMD hasn't been doing exactly amazing with those profit margins there 200 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:40,160 not even that long ago they were doing seriously not great and then with the 201 00:15:38,519 --> 00:15:44,639 new console launch things have been turning up a little bit so I I do agree 202 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:48,040 with you that is probably true but it it couldn't help getting onto a lower node 203 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:53,000 and having more you mean it couldn't hurt couldn't couldn't hurt there we go 204 00:15:50,639 --> 00:15:57,160 couldn't possibly help them right oh it's always good if you can get to a new 205 00:15:54,759 --> 00:16:00,959 process node and one thing that thatd kind of had to take a hit when they made 206 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:06,440 their last transition because they went to from a 32 nanometer process node 207 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:07,720 designed for CPUs on on the the the last 208 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:11,399 generation so when they brought out cavar they went to a 28 nanometer 209 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:15,800 process node it's really more tuned for low power high density GPU type 210 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:20,480 applications and as a result they got less clock speed on the CPU portion of 211 00:16:18,279 --> 00:16:26,959 their Apu than they had in the prior generation and really what you want is 212 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:32,160 you want a processed Tech that will give you all the benefits uh that you can get 213 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:37,240 out of better process Tech including faster switching speed so you can get to 214 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:40,440 higher clocks and I think with Samsung 215 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:42,639 going to 14 nmet and going to finfets or 216 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:46,079 uh you know Intel calls them trigate transistors that there's a good 217 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:51,720 possibility that that there could be a nice increase in switching speed uh at 218 00:16:48,759 --> 00:16:57,079 higher power levels um which could translate into performance as well but 219 00:16:54,639 --> 00:17:01,319 honestly I think architecture is their biggest need right now I don't think 220 00:16:59,079 --> 00:17:05,199 it's process Tech uh process Tech is always something you have to be on top 221 00:17:02,639 --> 00:17:08,480 of but there are multiple options different foundaries they can go to and 222 00:17:07,039 --> 00:17:13,559 they're they're exercising that by going to Samsung but what they need is is a 223 00:17:11,360 --> 00:17:18,319 good architecture to go along with it well I hope we see that I would I 224 00:17:16,120 --> 00:17:26,199 would love to see someone build a balls to thewall CPU 225 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:30,840 again the 5960x isn't enough for you or 226 00:17:26,199 --> 00:17:30,840 okay the 5960x is pretty cool 227 00:17:30,919 --> 00:17:38,679 okay yes the 596x is pretty see two of them fighting it out though right I mean 228 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:44,480 yes I'd like to see it not $1,000 there yeah yeah right right You' like to see 229 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:48,320 that on like the consumer platform and have something even more badass on the 230 00:17:45,919 --> 00:17:54,880 Enthusiast platform as well right well like Intel did its uh the the Ed RAM 231 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:56,600 external cache L4 cash on some chips 232 00:17:54,880 --> 00:18:01,480 that it sells and it uses it's faster for graphics that way but you can't buy 233 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:05,720 that in a desktop chip that's socketed you know that's the type of thing that 234 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:10,880 that it's not a huge performance win on the desktop but it's really cool and 235 00:18:09,120 --> 00:18:13,799 Intel doesn't bring it to the desktop because they don't have any competition 236 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:18,480 there that's the type of thing that gets pulled into the desktop because it's 237 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:22,240 cool technology and and if they're fighting it out with the strong 238 00:18:20,120 --> 00:18:27,080 competitor yeah and I mean I love Intel and NVIDIA as much as anyone but I think 239 00:18:24,360 --> 00:18:30,919 that we've seen enough times throughout history even as long as I've paying 240 00:18:29,120 --> 00:18:35,640 attention to this stuff they're pretty content to sit and wait for AMD to make 241 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:39,760 a move before they drop price or before they release something more competitive 242 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:44,200 or whatever the case may be yeah yeah well like like Sandy Bridge Ivy Bridge 243 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:48,400 has well you know they for like a year after they were released they kept they 244 00:18:46,159 --> 00:18:53,559 kept the exact same price and it used to be like every three months you got a 245 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:55,679 price cut yep yeah that was cool there 246 00:18:53,559 --> 00:19:00,080 was always something to talk about you know yeah it's it's a lot more exciting 247 00:18:58,159 --> 00:19:05,520 when there's two competitors instead of one pricing has been a little bit nuts 248 00:19:01,919 --> 00:19:08,679 since uh Maxwell dropped I've seen 780 249 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:10,159 Ti like 100 or $200 below 980s just 250 00:19:08,679 --> 00:19:14,840 because so many people are glomming on 980s stuff like that speaking of people 251 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:21,080 glomming on to 980s I had a chat with someone at a at an un 252 00:19:17,559 --> 00:19:24,360 undisclosed uh retailer and they they 253 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:25,960 let me know that the gtx970 stricks the 254 00:19:24,360 --> 00:19:35,880 ASUS card you reviewed that one right Scott yeah yeah they um so they have 300 255 00:19:31,159 --> 00:19:37,440 back orders on that one skew wow yeah 256 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:43,919 they were telling me they've never seen anything like this since 8800 GT 257 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:47,840 wow I believe it I mean it makes sense we haven't had this type of combination 258 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:52,200 of there's a lot more performance at a really nice price for a long time yeah 259 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:56,840 you know what's funny is again undisclosed not going to say who it was 260 00:19:54,039 --> 00:20:01,240 but I talked to someone at NVIDIA prior to the launch when I was when I was 261 00:19:58,799 --> 00:20:05,679 having the prices given to me so that I could so I could make my video um very 262 00:20:03,919 --> 00:20:09,640 last minute that whole thing but it that's neither here nor there so they 263 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:15,360 they told me the prices and I kind of went wow well gtx970 is the disruptive 264 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:19,120 one and he's kind of like what do you mean the 980 is going to have the 265 00:20:17,120 --> 00:20:24,679 performance crown and I kind of went well yeah but the 970 is only cut down 266 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:27,000 by what 20% and it's going to overclock 267 00:20:24,679 --> 00:20:32,080 like a bat out of hell yeah and it's like almost $200 cheaper what a 268 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:35,880 fantastic card and he kind of goes oh yeah that makes a lot of sense I guess 269 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:40,240 you mean disruptive in that way oh my goodness yeah it's amazing 270 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:45,000 they focus on the performance CR at these companies a lot and that's not 271 00:20:42,360 --> 00:20:50,960 always what people want to buy you know that because you can get certain 272 00:20:48,159 --> 00:20:55,000 cars that are better than 980 but 980 is at a really good price for what it is so 273 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:59,320 people are buying it and then 970s at an even better price for what it is so more 274 00:20:57,159 --> 00:21:06,240 people are buying that it's pretty interesting yeah so go 275 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:07,159 ahead everyone's way too polite I know 276 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:13,400 okay I'm just going to talk over everyone from now on okay so 980 and 970 277 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:18,640 um you had uncovered a little while ago we thought that the only real difference 278 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:22,640 between 980 and 970 was how many how 279 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:24,559 many SMS that they had but you had found 280 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:29,919 a bit of a disparity in their performance that you couldn't really 281 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:32,600 explain up till now so can you maybe 282 00:21:29,919 --> 00:21:37,000 talk about what people should choose for 4K gaming because I've gotten a lot of 283 00:21:34,919 --> 00:21:41,640 questions about this in the comments on our 980 performance overview in PMS on 284 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:47,799 the Forum in Threads I've seen posted on the Forum is 970 okay for 285 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:54,520 4K you know that's a tough question because um is 980 okay for 4K I was even 286 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:57,240 gonna say is is is is it okay for 4K is kind of an interesting question right 287 00:21:55,600 --> 00:22:01,120 now in general I mean I kind of think you want to 288 00:21:59,120 --> 00:22:06,159 it for for running everything like the the high-end games that we use for 289 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:08,120 testing at high quality settings one of 290 00:22:06,159 --> 00:22:13,480 anything that's out there right now isn't entirely adequate um you can play 291 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:20,440 some games and you can tweak things to where a 970 or a 980 will run in 4k but 292 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:23,120 it's not always a great experience um so 293 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:26,760 that's it's weird because there is this this architectural difference that we 294 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:32,440 didn't understand before between the 970 and the 980 in that uh the 980 has both 295 00:22:30,039 --> 00:22:37,360 of them have the same number of RS which determines pixel throughput and that's 296 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:41,279 really important for 4K because you've 297 00:22:37,360 --> 00:22:43,360 got a lot of pixels but uh it turns out 298 00:22:41,279 --> 00:22:47,600 that when you cut the number of SMS like they do on the 970 you actually lower 299 00:22:46,159 --> 00:22:51,919 the pixel throughput of the card effectively because the SMS help 300 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:56,919 determine the the the pixel throughput in a way that we didn't understand until 301 00:22:54,760 --> 00:23:01,039 after our 980 review when a fellow reviewer Damian at hardware. frr 302 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:05,480 sent me a little note and said hey see that Benchmark you result you got where 303 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:08,279 it was a lot lower fill rate on the 970 yeah here's the explanation I did a 304 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:13,960 little post about it but it's totally his work he figured out uh by asking 305 00:23:10,919 --> 00:23:17,039 very specific questions of NVIDIA you 306 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:20,720 know did why there was actually less 307 00:23:17,039 --> 00:23:22,799 capacity for Pixel throughput on the 970 308 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:28,120 um that said you I've been playing around with overclocking 980s and 970s a 309 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:33,919 little bit and you know you can get back a lot of what you lose by taking SMS 310 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:36,200 Away by turning up clock speeds and what 311 00:23:33,919 --> 00:23:43,960 else I've got right over here is a 4K monitor from Acer that is gsync capable 312 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:45,679 and I'm finding out that even though in 313 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:51,000 a lot of cases frame ratees seem a little bit marginal on a 970 or a 980 314 00:23:49,120 --> 00:23:55,679 with a single card that when you have gsync and you're in those situations 315 00:23:53,120 --> 00:24:00,159 where it's like you know 40 some FPS sometimes that's good enough when 316 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:06,919 the monitor is updating right when a frame was ready so I'll tell you this I 317 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:10,880 actually did my I my Acer 4K 318 00:24:06,919 --> 00:24:13,640 gsync video really differently from how 319 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:18,720 I've typically looked at either monitors or video cards from a performance 320 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:20,760 perspective before I did it no numbers 321 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:25,840 because we lacked the high-speed camera equipment that we would need to properly 322 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:33,000 quantify g-sync in a way that would be meaningful to viewers and fcats not 323 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:34,520 working for it and basically the the 324 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:38,399 thing about g-sync is it's more of a it's more of a feel than a number yeah 325 00:24:36,799 --> 00:24:44,440 right now in terms of the equipment that we have to test it on our side anyway so 326 00:24:41,279 --> 00:24:47,200 the way I did it was instead of having 327 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:52,399 fraps on and tuning my game settings so that it was running at solid FPS and I 328 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:58,799 knew that I sat down and I cranked the detail on my games without any FPS 329 00:24:55,279 --> 00:25:01,480 counter and then I reduced it until felt 330 00:24:58,799 --> 00:25:05,440 like I was playing at 60fps smooth then I all tabbed out fired up fraps and had 331 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:10,679 to look at my frame rates and I discovered the exact same thing that you 332 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:14,000 did I was getting dips down to 42 43 and 333 00:25:10,679 --> 00:25:17,360 that felt butter smooth to me yeah now 334 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:19,520 and gsync is great for that so I I don't 335 00:25:17,360 --> 00:25:23,600 know that's that's kind of a tough decision in terms of pricing because 336 00:25:21,279 --> 00:25:27,600 those 4K gsync monitors are not cheap right yeah there's well there's one 337 00:25:25,360 --> 00:25:31,279 model So speaking of two competitors being uh better better for excitement 338 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:37,200 and pricing yeah yeah Acer's the only show in town 339 00:25:35,279 --> 00:25:41,480 yeah I think ASUS is supposed to have a 4k g-sync monitor out before the end of 340 00:25:39,120 --> 00:25:47,520 the year though okay so sometime in the next three months so we'll see but even 341 00:25:45,360 --> 00:25:51,279 even not 4K gsync monitors can be extremely expensive still yep we do need 342 00:25:49,559 --> 00:25:55,679 to see a little bit more Market flooding until it's going to be consumable for a 343 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:59,200 lot of different people okay so Scott sorry go ahead well GNC's awesome 344 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:05,640 technology but it's not a good deal right now so speaking of not a good deal 345 00:26:02,919 --> 00:26:10,919 right now it's it's kind of it's there's so much confusion right now about AMD's 346 00:26:08,360 --> 00:26:15,039 project free sync yeah maybe you can clarify this because honestly I've even 347 00:26:13,039 --> 00:26:19,320 found myself getting a little bit lost in the misinformation about it so 348 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:23,480 there's a lot of people saying okay it's built into DisplayPort now we're just 349 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:27,600 going to see it built into the Next Generation scalers and we're going to 350 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:30,840 have support for freyn across the board then there's other information out there 351 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:34,799 some of which is coming from AMD themselves saying well actually hold on 352 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:39,080 a second it's only a small subset of our graphics cards that are actually going 353 00:26:36,159 --> 00:26:43,279 to support the tech and it's not necessarily just going to be part of 354 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:46,840 DisplayPort and NVIDIA is coming out saying yeah we're not going to support 355 00:26:44,799 --> 00:26:52,760 it it's not just part of DisplayPort what the hell is free 356 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:55,279 sync well freesync is AMD's Project to 357 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:58,760 create a variable refresh Monitor and there's a vasis spec called adaptive 358 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:04,120 sync adaptive Dash sync I think that is 359 00:27:02,159 --> 00:27:10,000 something that AMD kind of shephered through as an extension to DisplayPort 360 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:11,720 in order to enable project free sync um 361 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:17,880 it's not I don't think it's a mandatory part of the spec but it's an extension 362 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:19,399 it may be mandatory eventually but but 363 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:24,440 that doesn't mean that a monitor needs to have all of the capabilities to 364 00:27:21,159 --> 00:27:27,399 support variable refresh andd is working 365 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:34,480 with monitor makers and with the scaler manufacturer 366 00:27:29,039 --> 00:27:36,760 to enable a variable refresh capable set 367 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:43,919 of Hardware set of displays multiple products um from different companies and 368 00:27:40,919 --> 00:27:47,120 what we really haven't seen yet is a 369 00:27:43,919 --> 00:27:50,840 functioning prototype or anything like 370 00:27:47,120 --> 00:27:52,640 that so if you remember gsync was demoed 371 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:59,840 in like September 2013 we I think we met and talked at 372 00:27:55,679 --> 00:28:02,039 that uh event right yeah and then NVIDIA 373 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:06,880 said oh it'll be out in like March and then summer then fall and it didn't come 374 00:28:04,679 --> 00:28:12,240 out till really the the end of summer or fall yeah I mean I had plans with NVIDIA 375 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:19,000 to potentially do like uh like a wine tasting style event in q1 where they 376 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:22,320 wanted monitors to be available and we were going to have members of our 377 00:28:20,360 --> 00:28:25,120 community come and do like a blind taste test type thing that was going to be 378 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:31,799 cool and that was going to be like a super cool idea and then 379 00:28:29,159 --> 00:28:36,840 just didn't really work yeah nothing ever happened because there was 380 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:39,120 nothing yeah so I think I think the 381 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:44,320 first step or probably the next step I hope is that we get to see a working 382 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:48,799 prototype um but AMD is saying that those are on the way and then they're 383 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:54,039 saying early next year for the first 384 00:28:48,799 --> 00:28:56,679 products and you know these are product 385 00:28:54,039 --> 00:29:00,360 schedules that's that's the best case I think when you hear that but could 386 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:05,320 happen right and you know the other question is how much cost will it add to 387 00:29:03,159 --> 00:29:09,679 a monitor to support this feature and do it correctly yeah and you know the path 388 00:29:07,799 --> 00:29:13,880 that NVIDIA has taken they developed their own scaler completely from scratch 389 00:29:12,279 --> 00:29:20,440 as far as I can tell instead of working with the scaler manufacturer AMD is much 390 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:22,200 more collaborative here um so presumably 391 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:26,000 you know those scaler guys already have built all the things that you find in a 392 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:31,120 normal monitor scaler and they only have to add variable refresh capability 393 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:35,600 right presumably they might be able to do things uh you know reasonably well 394 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:39,440 reasonably quickly without too much trouble the other thing is NVIDIA's 395 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:45,399 Hardware is built off of What's called the fpga field programmable Gat array 396 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:48,559 which is uh an expensive chip that you can program to do almost anything and 397 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:54,519 that's usually what you use in development but then you make a custom 398 00:29:50,559 --> 00:29:57,679 chip or an Asic that actually like does 399 00:29:54,519 --> 00:30:00,240 this function and it's much lower cost 400 00:29:57,679 --> 00:30:04,720 and I think that probably the products that come to Market from the scaler 401 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:09,080 manufacturers uh are I don't know for sure but I'd expect them to be A6 and if 402 00:30:07,039 --> 00:30:13,120 they're not in in the first generation eventually they should be because I 403 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:19,559 think what everybody wants is for the cost premium to go down happen because 404 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:23,919 of more competition it needs to happen because they use cheaper hardware and it 405 00:30:21,559 --> 00:30:29,960 needs to happen because there are more suppliers 50 bucks is is in my mind for 406 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,960 a 24 407 00:30:36,039 --> 00:30:41,840 to buy a monitor without some kind of adaptive refresh rate and I think people 408 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:45,480 aren't going to mind waiting for free sync to come in because it's not 50 409 00:30:43,559 --> 00:30:48,000 bucks right now so it is a very hard decision to make and a lot of people are 410 00:30:46,559 --> 00:30:51,760 going to keep monitors for a very long time so making a monitor decision 411 00:30:49,679 --> 00:30:55,799 sometimes isn't that oh sweet a new graphic card came out let me upgrade 412 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:58,919 it's more of a okay it's been 6 years seven years maybe I should reset all my 413 00:30:57,519 --> 00:31:04,639 monitors yes and you know I think what you want 414 00:31:01,279 --> 00:31:05,679 to see is for AMD to succeed and for 415 00:31:04,639 --> 00:31:10,799 their stuff to get out there in the market and then at some point for this 416 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:14,720 to become ubiquitous and what I mean by that is NVIDIA has to cave and say okay 417 00:31:12,919 --> 00:31:19,279 we're going to support it if you buy this monitor you can you can do adaptive 418 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:23,840 refresh with the radon only GeForce but I don't think NVIDIA has any interest in 419 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:27,960 making that easy for AMD so they're going to wait and and take advantage of 420 00:31:26,159 --> 00:31:32,159 the fact that they're first uh because because they they built gsync and they 421 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:35,080 they did it first and they invested and they're going to wait and see and the 422 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:40,159 other thing that that I'm not really clear on is uh if you look at that 423 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:45,600 g-sync module that the NVIDIA built it has a bunch of RAM on it as well as an 424 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:48,320 fpga yeah it has a and I think it's a 425 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:53,240 like a lookaside buffer and they need it every once in a while when they don't 426 00:31:49,639 --> 00:31:54,880 get another frame from the uh the GPU in 427 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:58,639 time they they've got to refresh the display because it's time um so they 428 00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:03,240 have to store a frame in the buffer and I don't know 429 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:07,279 whether AMD will be able to come up with an approach where that memory is not 430 00:32:05,279 --> 00:32:12,480 required but the same functionality is available right um it might be because 431 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:17,600 they did they did show variable Refresh on a laptop display which is a little 432 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:20,279 bit of a different type of of setup um 433 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:25,159 at CES in the little demo they showed me but um whether or not they can pull that 434 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:29,840 off is going to determine the cost too and and I I'm still waiting to hear 435 00:32:27,159 --> 00:32:29,840 details 436 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:34,440 so do you think NVIDIA went with such an expensive solution just because they 437 00:32:33,519 --> 00:32:39,760 were in a hurry yeah definitely and and in fact if 438 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:44,200 I would talk to Tom Peterson who's the engineer in NVIDIA who sort of 439 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:48,600 spearheaded gsync and he said something interesting to me between the the time 440 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:52,159 in in March or so when they were supposed to launch g-sync and and the 441 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:56,519 time in the summer when it was really imminent I I spoke with him and he said 442 00:32:54,840 --> 00:33:00,679 um you know we really had some problems we had to work out which is why we had 443 00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:05,159 had the delay and thank goodness it was an fpga because they had to change the 444 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:11,919 way that it worked fundamentally and if it had been a custom chip they would have had to build another spin on the 445 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:13,039 chip right I think it also like of 446 00:33:11,919 --> 00:33:19,760 course they wanted to hurry but I think it also comes into NVIDIA seems to like doing things by themselves in a fairly 447 00:33:17,279 --> 00:33:25,039 lock down ecosystem and AMD is that whole let's all come together and help 448 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:29,080 everyone and we'll do it as one big unit and those are two extremely different 449 00:33:26,639 --> 00:33:33,240 styles and I I ful understand the style that NVIDIA went with because it's their 450 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:37,679 style makes sense yeah they do tend to do that don't they I was 451 00:33:35,639 --> 00:33:42,360 actually they also tend to make money every quarter 452 00:33:39,639 --> 00:33:47,080 yeah you know it's hard to it's hard to I I want openness I prefer openness and 453 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:50,240 I like sometimes like AMD's approach of we're a hardware maker and we're not a 454 00:33:48,639 --> 00:33:56,000 software maker and we're going to be open but they're not invest they didn't 455 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:58,480 come up with gsync they didn't they're they're just sort of doing the me too 456 00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:03,159 thing with free Nidia give them credit they invested in 457 00:34:01,039 --> 00:34:07,039 this and they want to get money back for it and and I I understand that I'm 458 00:34:04,919 --> 00:34:11,280 sympathetic to to that even though I think ultimately I hope everybody in 459 00:34:09,159 --> 00:34:14,960 Industry wants the final destination for this to be that you can plug any monitor 460 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:19,599 into any graphics card and get variable refresh that is exactly what we want I 461 00:34:17,679 --> 00:34:24,399 mean um actually I should clarify something last week on the show speaking 462 00:34:21,879 --> 00:34:28,280 of NVIDIA being closed I did a super pissed off rant for about 5 minutes 463 00:34:26,879 --> 00:34:33,839 about how the controller only works on GeForce PCS 464 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:40,359 right now did you know about this Scott yeah you know I iix saw that they're 465 00:34:36,599 --> 00:34:43,040 fixing it I I got I got an email at the 466 00:34:40,359 --> 00:34:49,320 end of the show last week yeah yo dog sorry I was I was driving I couldn't 467 00:34:46,079 --> 00:34:52,599 reply we're fixing it it's coming it'll 468 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:55,639 work on any PC please stop talking about 469 00:34:52,599 --> 00:34:55,639 please stop 470 00:34:55,960 --> 00:35:01,440 talking but you know you got to call them out on stuff like that because you 471 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:05,920 don't want the standard to become that we're all just kind of in our different 472 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:11,160 silos and GeForce is its own thing and Radeon is its own thing can you imagine 473 00:35:08,119 --> 00:35:12,880 a controller that only worked on PCS 474 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:17,680 with a certain brand of graphics cards I mean we' we' we'd be we'd be never mind 475 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:21,880 consoles going away and converging with PCS PCS would be converging into 476 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:29,200 consoles at that point new Intel compatible keyboards oh no oh no that 477 00:35:27,240 --> 00:35:33,560 would bead that's terrifying yeah but you know if 478 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:41,280 it happened to one thing it would leak into all the things I know it's 479 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:43,040 horrible with the Samsung plant sorry 480 00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:46,320 the Sam well not Samsung plant but Samsung starting AMD development I guess 481 00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:50,319 we did yeah we kind of talked about that already why don't we just um hey Scott 482 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:56,119 which of our topics under the guest topics are you are you most down to talk 483 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:59,319 about do you remember did you leave look I am I am easy whatever you guys guys 484 00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:03,200 want to talk about if you want to talk more Graphics if you want to talk any of 485 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:08,319 the other stuff out there then I'm happy to do it I want to talk about that 486 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:10,560 17,000 Mac botnet that got 487 00:36:08,319 --> 00:36:16,040 discovered oh wait that's impossible Macs don't get viruses no no no surely 488 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:20,400 Steve Jobs said they don't get viruses so therefore this isn't a virus they're 489 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:24,839 just all trying to be friends right Max are more it's a more friendly operating 490 00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:28,520 system this is the new Social Network it's joining a botn net you're being 491 00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:33,839 social with other computers and trying to help everyone to one goal just might 492 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:37,380 not necessarily be your goal or really anyone who's not sort of the one dude 493 00:36:36,599 --> 00:36:42,880 who set it up don't worry about it it's cool it's 494 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:47,000 not a virus so okay do you want to do a quick 495 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:52,000 want to do a quick rundown of what the heck happened here so this was a post from gizmodo.com I'm just going to check 496 00:36:50,079 --> 00:36:55,280 this up on my screen while Luke gives us a rundown and then we'll we'll move into 497 00:36:53,880 --> 00:37:00,440 the topic so the the back door is called mac. backd door. iorm because it has to 498 00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:06,280 be stealthy and use back door in the name awesome um essentially they have 499 00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:09,839 gained access to Max and they use Reddit to connect them all together so 500 00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:14,400 basically when the Mac calls out it goes onto Reddit and finds a post which links 501 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:19,599 it to a server on under a Minecraft subreddit which is hilarious and then 502 00:37:16,720 --> 00:37:24,000 they all link together through that so this guy used a worm to grab all these 503 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:27,520 botnet computers and have them link all together through reddit's Minecraft 504 00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:31,200 Community okay so maybe you can explain exp what's the problem with a botn net 505 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:36,480 what exactly is a botn net and what does it mean to use botn nets for a lot of 506 00:37:33,240 --> 00:37:38,319 different things um a lot of the laws 507 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:42,119 around like you can't sue someone for their computer necessarily doing 508 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:45,200 something happens because of botn Nets so you can use a botn net to essentially 509 00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:49,560 a lot of a lot of people refer them to them as zombies as well you can utilize 510 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:53,359 all these computers to do things for you it's like having a gigantic external 511 00:37:51,160 --> 00:38:00,920 cluster so you can use these to like dos a Target or just do do other things uh 512 00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:04,920 like essentially look like users so if you want to get a whole bunch of hits on 513 00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:10,520 something that's a less aggressive way to use a botet um do we actually have 514 00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:16,800 4,400 viewers who knows maybe we have one who 515 00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:20,880 owns a lot of iMac or doesn't own a lot of IM and 516 00:38:18,720 --> 00:38:24,880 Scott no he's not viewing he's just looking through our video conferencing 517 00:38:22,599 --> 00:38:28,520 software right so he wouldn't even count yeah sorry Scott you don't count as a 518 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:32,760 viewer you can use them for large variants of things but a lot of times 519 00:38:30,319 --> 00:38:36,720 it's just Doss dos that kind of stuff bringing down websites being a 520 00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:41,160 jerk in this case though I wonder if he's actually using it to look like 521 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:45,800 users on Minecraft servers I haven't read into it into that much but it would 522 00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:48,520 be pretty funny actually because if you can make your Minecraft server look 523 00:38:47,079 --> 00:38:52,440 popular and then get people to come to it and then actually do real 524 00:38:50,880 --> 00:39:00,760 microtransactions then you might make some money so Scott is Apple 525 00:38:56,040 --> 00:39:03,920 imploding uh there's a lot of bad PR a 526 00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:06,760 lot yeah you know it is weird like the 527 00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:10,480 the bingate stuff that just was one of those Tech stories that you could see it 528 00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:17,720 taking on a life of its own like yeah the iPhone 6 had happened it was a big 529 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:19,200 deal and then there wasn't another story 530 00:39:17,720 --> 00:39:22,839 and so that one kind of came out on the weekend and it was like the news it hit 531 00:39:20,839 --> 00:39:27,079 the news cycle perfectly everyone wanted more iPhone news and that was the more 532 00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:31,800 iPhone news I don't know did you watch the the Bin videos because I got up that 533 00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:35,640 morning and I went and I watched one of those and I watched this guy's thumbs 534 00:39:33,599 --> 00:39:40,960 just strain against this phone to bend it and I thought that I'm not worried 535 00:39:37,720 --> 00:39:43,280 about that at all like it just it's way 536 00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:47,000 too much force for me to ever care you know I'm not gonna do that accidentally 537 00:39:45,359 --> 00:39:52,480 well you need to gain about a 100 pounds then come on go to the 538 00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:54,560 gym crank up those pecs or something but 539 00:39:52,480 --> 00:40:00,400 but I but it didn't matter because that story filled a void right and and it was 540 00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:05,079 like it was everybody who's like a a Samsung fan like loved it it didn't 541 00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:08,920 matter that it was true it just was there right but honestly I don't think 542 00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:13,920 that that story happens and gets that big if it isn't for the fact that 543 00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:18,640 everybody in the media who was reporting on that making it a big deal knows that 544 00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:23,560 when they report on Apple there's a lot of response yeah right negative or 545 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:27,599 positive a lot of people will chime in no matter what it is Apple's in trouble 546 00:40:26,079 --> 00:40:31,960 when people don't care about what they do and they're a long way from that 547 00:40:29,240 --> 00:40:35,839 place right now yeah fair enough I mean there's been other bad news too so there 548 00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:40,520 was the report that came out that Apple reportedly punished a German magazine 549 00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:46,040 for doing an iPhone 6 Ben test saying they would no longer be invited to any 550 00:40:42,359 --> 00:40:49,240 of their events and they were basically 551 00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:52,920 cut off I mean how do you how do you 552 00:40:49,240 --> 00:40:55,800 feel as an objective journalist in the 553 00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:59,680 IT industry about that kind of behavior from a manufacturer because 554 00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:05,160 well I want the d which we'll talk about later but um I so so I don't necessarily 555 00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:11,720 care about like a like a paper style screen um or not but I do want the round 556 00:41:09,319 --> 00:41:15,680 shape of a watch and that being said Pebble prices are dropping so they're 557 00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:20,440 reducing their price on the standard Pebble which is not what lonus has anymore you have the Pebble Steel I 558 00:41:18,599 --> 00:41:24,240 believe that's right um they're reducing the price on the standard Pebble to 559 00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:28,960 around 90 USD this is only in the states as far as I know um to 90 USD and 560 00:41:27,720 --> 00:41:33,359 they're bringing the prices down on their steel to 199 USD it's a pretty big 561 00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:39,720 difference do you think it's worth it from the standard to the steel you know 562 00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:41,119 what I I it depends on it depends on 563 00:41:39,720 --> 00:41:45,720 what you want out of your watch if you just want the functionality the 564 00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:51,359 functionality of them is literally exactly the same they actually have the 565 00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:56,280 same Hardware in them I mean they didn't even bother to upgrade the battery on 566 00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:59,240 the steel which in my mind is is a little bit frustrating 567 00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:11,640 functionality the steel is all about the look so if you wear your watch as a 568 00:42:09,720 --> 00:42:14,560 purely functional piece because you would like to know what time it is and 569 00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:20,720 read text messages and all those other cool Pebble apps get a regular Pebble 570 00:42:17,319 --> 00:42:22,200 right 99 bucks if your watch is part of 571 00:42:20,720 --> 00:42:27,240 Amazon extension hopefully they sell on Amazon if your watch is part of the look 572 00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:30,960 of you that that you're trying to achieve if it's a fashion statement then 573 00:42:28,839 --> 00:42:37,400 maybe the steel in my opinion the steel is a great value I mean you can easily 574 00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:39,480 spend $200 on a watch spend 5 10 15 575 00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:42,640 times that on a watch on watches are insane that doesn't have that 576 00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:48,839 functionality there I think that's what the steal is is it's a great marriage of 577 00:42:45,599 --> 00:42:50,400 functionality and a least a little bit 578 00:42:48,839 --> 00:42:54,880 of 2000 M underwater sorry what some of those 579 00:42:53,119 --> 00:42:58,559 super high-end watches are like oh yeah but it'll work 2,000 M underwater and 580 00:42:56,720 --> 00:43:04,079 I'm like wow cool for when I'm in a submarine next what for when I'm 581 00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:06,680 completely underwater and dead and out of 582 00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:12,000 oxygen awesome so Swift Tech launches their 583 00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:14,040 240x H 240x I believe this was fairly 584 00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:18,680 stealthy um I saw a bunch of the comments on the Forum Thread about this 585 00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:23,000 posted by Whirlwind oh I should jump up so the new patch from Moto 360 was 586 00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:26,119 posted on the Forum by Ren the pebble price drops was posted on the Forum by 587 00:43:24,839 --> 00:43:30,359 Raph benan there's two A's there I don't know 588 00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:37,400 how to properly do that other than a so he wins the literally entire world 589 00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:39,119 yeah win the world the whole thing 590 00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:42,839 everything that you can possibly win is won by him anyways uh I believe it was 591 00:43:41,599 --> 00:43:47,160 fairly stealthy because a whole bunch of posters on the Forum were talking about 592 00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:51,960 how they were actually looking to buy a 240x and then just randomly saw on 593 00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:55,200 swiftex website that there was a uh sorry they were looking to buy a 220x 594 00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:59,960 and then they saw on the website that there was a 240x uh there I don't think 595 00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:04,400 there's any like massive changes other than the fact that is a dual 140 mm 596 00:44:02,720 --> 00:44:09,760 copper radiator other than that I believe it's the same type of idea so 597 00:44:06,559 --> 00:44:11,319 they have a full pump a full radiator uh 598 00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:16,400 Reservoir attached to the radiator and then a full standard water block so I 599 00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:22,200 think this is essentially as close as you can get to standard water cooling 600 00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:26,720 with an AO style unit out of anything would you agree with that probably yeah 601 00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:31,079 pretty much I think it's cool how they hide the pump up behind the flow rate 602 00:44:29,119 --> 00:44:35,200 monitor in the top which makes it look extremely compact but then still uses 603 00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:39,040 fulls siize components which is awesome something that I appreciate a lot I 604 00:44:36,599 --> 00:44:42,599 don't see a lot of aios failing but it's still nice to know that I have this 605 00:44:40,599 --> 00:44:50,520 full-size pump which I could honestly swap out if I really needed to um I like 606 00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:54,400 I like aios that are after the concept 607 00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:56,680 of being more like an actual liquid 608 00:44:54,400 --> 00:45:01,559 cooling setup I think that's I think that's a great direction for them to go 609 00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:04,640 Swift Tech's done an okay job of making 610 00:45:01,559 --> 00:45:06,880 their aios drop in I think that their 611 00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:11,200 last generation one actually did a better job of this of making it drop in 612 00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:15,599 because it did have the pump integrated with the CPU block so you could Mount 613 00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:20,319 the radiator in different places much more easily whereas these ones really 614 00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:25,559 have to go on the top of your case but the newer ones so the h220x and the H2 615 00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:30,040 40x the fact that they are mounted in the top of the case but they're much 616 00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:35,920 more expandable and much more reliable from what Swift Tech saying about them 617 00:45:32,079 --> 00:45:38,280 is also great too so I mean maybe 618 00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:43,200 there's room for swifttech to have both options a less powerful Central CPU 619 00:45:41,359 --> 00:45:49,000 block based pump unit where you have more radiator flexibility and then these 620 00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:50,960 H these X Series ones to take care of 621 00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:54,880 people who are okay having it in the top only the top and that is it that is 622 00:45:53,319 --> 00:45:58,119 going to be very applicable in a couple days yeah I won't be doing that accent 623 00:45:56,400 --> 00:46:02,280 when we're so much probably not a terrible idea yeah so uh for those of 624 00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:08,240 you who don't know this already Luke and I are doing a German road trip Excursion 625 00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:12,599 yeah we're going to be touring the senheiser factory which is going to be pretty cool 626 00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:17,640 that's going to be sweet we're going to meet like the dude who designs like the 627 00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:23,359 headphones that's awesome which is going to be cool I'm actually so stoked but 628 00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:25,640 more stoked for Cherry MX so we're going 629 00:46:23,359 --> 00:46:30,400 to see Cherry corpse manufacturing facility as well so 630 00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:36,119 next week is going to be all about Z German engineering and Z German 631 00:46:33,720 --> 00:46:41,280 manufacturing um so both for keyboard switches and for headphones both Luke 632 00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:46,240 and I I guess if you were going to pick like you know half a dozen companies 633 00:46:44,240 --> 00:46:49,800 that we think are pretty cool and we tend to really like what they do I think 634 00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:54,240 Cherry would be on the list and Sennheiser would be on the list as well 635 00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:59,119 yep so we're we're pretty pretty stoked to check that out definitely stoked on 636 00:46:56,079 --> 00:47:01,440 that change oh no you go that was posted 637 00:46:59,119 --> 00:47:07,880 no that was not posted by him yeah right Whirlwind speaking of things that are we 638 00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:09,920 should probably check out Windows 10 not 639 00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:17,280 Windows 9 it's funny CU we made that joke Windows 9 Windows Windows 640 00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:19,240 no and we were right yep actually that 641 00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:25,599 is kind of true and the reason they did it was because they wanted to separate 642 00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:31,559 the next Windows from Windows 8.1 as much as possible basically they 643 00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:37,200 didn't want people to feel like it was an iterative improvement on Windows 8 644 00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:41,440 which honestly I don't think Windows 9 would have sounded like if they called 645 00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:45,079 it Windows 8.2 that probably would have sounded like an iteration super drunk to 646 00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:48,440 be completely honest that's all I really have to say about that that's super dumb 647 00:47:46,599 --> 00:47:53,640 I me it's funny because they made the joke about we're going to call it 648 00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:56,240 Windows one yeah yeah yeah and they 649 00:47:53,640 --> 00:48:00,640 weren't even self-aware enough as far as I can tell to realize that just because 650 00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:05,920 they didn't call it one doesn't mean that what they did was any less 651 00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:07,160 stupid it's still not how you count 652 00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:13,119 Vista 7810 come on they they can't even hold 653 00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:16,599 it together for three releases in a row 654 00:48:13,119 --> 00:48:18,599 actually yes they can 95 98 2000 there 655 00:48:16,599 --> 00:48:24,440 you go okay so they they can't even hold it together for four releases in a row 656 00:48:21,359 --> 00:48:27,350 yeah oh wait well hold on a second me 657 00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:28,599 came first but it's 658 00:48:28,599 --> 00:48:33,559 oh but Emy is Millen H he's still 659 00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:37,960 referencing a year oh come come on now no I know I 660 00:48:36,559 --> 00:48:43,720 agree with you but they like sort of tried at least 661 00:48:42,119 --> 00:48:50,079 they didn't just completely skip a number they weren't like 2014 but it's 662 00:48:47,720 --> 00:48:54,280 2000 but we're going to release 2014 because it sounds much better one of my 663 00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:59,240 favorite quotes was I don't remember exactly what he said but essentially it was along the lines of once you once you 664 00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:04,480 fire up Windows 10 and you see how awesome it is you won't question why we 665 00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:07,000 jumped a number it's like actually that 666 00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:12,000 has nothing to do with anything ever at any point in time that makes no sense at 667 00:49:09,240 --> 00:49:19,040 all because even if it was a massive change like XP to Vista it wasn't like 668 00:49:15,559 --> 00:49:21,799 you didn't go like XP to 669 00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:25,960 XP3 because what that didn't make any sense anyways uh I've seen quite a few 670 00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:31,559 people that have tried it so far and it seems kind of generally broken to be 671 00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:33,480 completely honest uh the GUI is 672 00:49:31,559 --> 00:49:36,680 apparently far from complete there's a lot of problems this seems very 673 00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:40,280 unpolished there's a tons of missing animations all that kind of stuff and 674 00:49:39,119 --> 00:49:46,200 their biggest feature that they're toting is the return of the start menu 675 00:49:42,359 --> 00:49:47,640 which is fantastic but but also a little 676 00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:53,680 frustrating because when they first showed off this hybrid uh start menu 677 00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:55,200 start screen thing it was being pitched 678 00:49:53,680 --> 00:50:00,160 as a feature that we were going to see in the next update to Windows 8 .1 yes 679 00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:03,680 and who hold on we're not doing that okay hold on a second um hold off for a 680 00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:08,559 couple months now we're going to throw you guys this Windows 10 preview which 681 00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:14,799 isn't going to come into out until late 2015 yeah we're we're months away we're 682 00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:18,359 almost a year away from Windows 10 actually being something you can install 683 00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:22,200 on your system and run as a production OS production OS yeah okay because you 684 00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:26,280 can get the technical preview right now but it is totally broken balls and it 685 00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:30,280 has some cool stuff like now instead of just being able to snap Windows to the 686 00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:34,359 sides for side by side reading you can snap to Corners so you can actually have 687 00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:38,680 four things on screen something folks with large monitors are going to be 688 00:50:36,240 --> 00:50:42,400 pretty impressed with and then another really cool thing about it is you can 689 00:50:40,119 --> 00:50:49,599 actually have virtual desktops it's funny because I've seen virtual desktops 690 00:50:45,319 --> 00:50:52,440 working as far back as uh third-party uh 691 00:50:49,599 --> 00:50:56,720 UI modifiers for Windows XP I was yeah I was going to say like as far back as 692 00:50:54,440 --> 00:51:02,200 super far back and yesterday because they can work now yes they're not new so 693 00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:07,280 so it's not a new idea but basically a virtual desktop would be different um 694 00:51:05,599 --> 00:51:10,960 different different desktops depending on what you want to do so you could have 695 00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:14,720 a different set of applications open and have them spread out a different way 696 00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:23,520 depending on what kind of thing you want to do so for example you could uh have 697 00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:25,040 like Steam and you play and origin and 698 00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:30,920 you said Warner Brothers is maybe that Warner Brothers one that they're working on oh what a nightmare anyway you could 699 00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:34,240 have one virtual desktop that has all those popups so all your game libraries 700 00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:39,480 are right there in front of you you could have another one that has you know 701 00:51:36,720 --> 00:51:43,119 Chrome up here and then you know word over here and something else like a 702 00:51:41,559 --> 00:51:48,200 video over here so you can sit and watch streams while you research and do homework for example and then you are 703 00:51:46,799 --> 00:51:51,480 supposed to it's a little glitchy right now especially for multim monitor users 704 00:51:50,240 --> 00:51:57,319 you're supposed to be able to switch between them that's pretty freaking cool 705 00:51:54,760 --> 00:52:01,599 yes it is but it's also been a previous feature of Windows kind of been a 706 00:51:59,599 --> 00:52:05,200 feature of Linux for an extremely long time yes and is able to be done by 707 00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:08,520 thirdparty applications already one thing that I not that's definitely going 708 00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:13,799 to come up with a whole bunch of search results I just hope they at least divide it in a very good way and they don't put 709 00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:16,599 web search results at the top or it's extremely configurable either one I'll 710 00:52:15,319 --> 00:52:21,599 be happy about one thing that we were talking about was uh we were questioning 711 00:52:19,839 --> 00:52:25,000 whether or not those tiles were going to be extremely configurable because I 712 00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:29,640 talked about how it could be pretty cool if you wanted to put like certaines that 713 00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:33,160 you go to a lot and then a whole of games and St but I didn't want it to 714 00:52:31,559 --> 00:52:37,640 like just be Auto population or something like that it is a configurable 715 00:52:35,079 --> 00:52:41,160 space right and one thing that could be really interesting actually is if they 716 00:52:39,319 --> 00:52:44,680 made it so that those switching desktops were able to have their own unique start 717 00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:50,319 menus MH so maybe you could have a production production uh desktop where 718 00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:55,400 you have like Excel word all that junk and like work websites in the nice kind 719 00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:58,880 of like I'm going to say Metro that's not the right word modern UI style tiles 720 00:52:57,319 --> 00:53:02,799 on the right hand side and then you switch to like your gaming one and it's 721 00:53:00,559 --> 00:53:06,599 like gaming websites L detectives.com steam all that crap yeah I'd love that 722 00:53:05,720 --> 00:53:12,920 that would be pretty cool I don't know if that's a thing but that would be cool yeah we'll have to look into it I mean 723 00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:15,599 honestly I've been gearing up for the trip to Germany making sure that we're 724 00:53:14,319 --> 00:53:19,119 going to have some videos while we're gone we've actually got some great 725 00:53:17,839 --> 00:53:25,599 videos queued up we're going to be taking a look at the 5820k so that's 726 00:53:22,319 --> 00:53:28,880 Intel's lower cost six core on LGA 2011 727 00:53:25,599 --> 00:53:30,680 versus the 5 30k and because the main 728 00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:36,400 difference between these chips is like a 6% difference in clock 729 00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:39,480 speed and that's it except that the 730 00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:42,480 5820k has quite a few fewer it's 731 00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:45,400 actually got 12 fewer PCI Express Lanes 732 00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:49,599 so multi-GPU support is limited in terms of how much bandwidth it can deliver to 733 00:53:47,119 --> 00:53:54,200 each card so we take a really close look at how that affects performance then 734 00:53:52,720 --> 00:54:00,280 we've got another really great one where we're going to be looking at SLI scaling 735 00:53:56,079 --> 00:54:03,160 with GT gtx980 from 1 GPU to 2 to 3 to 4 736 00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:06,720 at 4K how it scales and how the gameplay experience is affected by adding more 737 00:54:05,079 --> 00:54:09,839 graphics cards so I'm I'm pretty I'm pretty stoked on it those will be pretty 738 00:54:08,079 --> 00:54:14,040 cool videos and then I even have my ultimate keycap replacement guide yes 739 00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:18,720 I've been working on a lot lately I think that's scheduled for next Tuesday 740 00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:23,400 night it's an ultimate guide so remember guys our ultimate guides are the best 741 00:54:20,720 --> 00:54:27,400 videos we can make so our build guides things like that uh graphics card water 742 00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:31,720 block install guide although that's a bit of an older Ultimate Guide we're 743 00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:34,119 better now but uh luk is looking like 744 00:54:31,720 --> 00:54:37,960 it's shaping up to be pretty darn cool the only thing I'm worried about is 745 00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:43,880 while it's being edited I will not be in the country yes and it's very long so I 746 00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:48,160 don't know I hope that works out quite well but we're not entirely sure and 747 00:54:46,319 --> 00:54:54,440 then one of the most exciting things of my week because anytime any news comes 748 00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:56,440 from Mr Elon Musk at all ever I get 749 00:54:54,440 --> 00:55:00,960 super excited um there's more information about the Tesla Model D so 750 00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:04,400 all he released was a picture of like a garage door that was partially open and 751 00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:11,640 you could just kind of see like the headlights and a little bit of the front of the car um but people are not 752 00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:16,839 entirely sure what it is it could be that cheap uh well cheap quote unquote 753 00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:20,079 car that Tesla has been talking about for a little while or that might not be 754 00:55:18,799 --> 00:55:24,240 the reveal it could be something else completely different because they've already been talking about that a little 755 00:55:22,240 --> 00:55:26,960 bit people are unsure I personally think it's probably going to be the cheap one 756 00:55:25,799 --> 00:55:32,400 that they've been talking talking about especially because the front of the car looked like a car and not a different 757 00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:37,760 type of thing like an SUV yeah I saw some speculation oh maybe they'll unveil 758 00:55:34,359 --> 00:55:39,559 a truck but it looked too low it didn't 759 00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:45,000 look like a truck so yeah it looked like a car so it's probably the uh cheaper 760 00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:50,280 version of a Tesla that they've been talking about for a little while and they've also said that there's other 761 00:55:48,039 --> 00:55:56,480 information coming soon which is probably talking about by the way that 762 00:55:52,039 --> 00:56:00,280 was posted on the Forum by heisen blur 763 00:55:56,480 --> 00:56:02,200 blg thank you heisen blurg and then this 764 00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:06,799 next topic which is Elon mus saying that Teslas will be able to self-drive 90% of 765 00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:11,280 the time was posted on the Forum by Sherman tanker that's incredible that is 766 00:56:09,599 --> 00:56:18,720 incredible sorry he hasn't said the date yet that's the incredible part uh what 767 00:56:14,559 --> 00:56:20,720 is it 2015 2015 comly oh wait no model X 768 00:56:18,720 --> 00:56:25,680 is coming early 2015 so yeah sometime next year which is pretty insane and I 769 00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:28,960 love how smug he is about everything and then he just manages to do it that's my 770 00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:33,880 favorite part what we're a Silicon Valley company so if you know we're not 771 00:56:30,720 --> 00:56:36,720 leading the way then all is not right in 772 00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:41,119 the universe basically cuz I mean it's not like other car manufacturers aren't 773 00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:46,680 talking about self-driving or excuse me as musk calls it autopilot yeah which I 774 00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:49,960 personally think is way cooler oh yeah 775 00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:52,520 like 100 self-driving car or car with 776 00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:55,760 autopilot badass yeah I want car with autopilot it's not like other guys 777 00:56:53,799 --> 00:57:01,440 aren't talking about it GM's promised a handsfree mode for some 2017 models and 778 00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:06,039 most are speculating 2020 as a reasonable year for the release of 779 00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:09,079 self-driving cars I want autopilot cars 780 00:57:06,039 --> 00:57:12,440 musk claims it's months away from retail 781 00:57:09,079 --> 00:57:13,440 for his 90% autopilot and some of the 782 00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:20,599 things that he's talking about that would be in the 10% are stuff like uh 783 00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:23,200 difficult to manage uh like terrain 784 00:57:20,599 --> 00:57:27,119 right and like debris on the road it's not like they can't they can't just kind 785 00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:30,880 of cruise around right now it's it's the bad situations that you want your car to 786 00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:34,480 be able to handle can't necessarily handle yet and you know the funny thing 787 00:57:32,359 --> 00:57:42,240 about it is these things that self-driving or autopilot cars have to 788 00:57:37,359 --> 00:57:44,480 overcome now are mostly to do with other 789 00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:49,000 drivers being hazards so they have to overcome 790 00:57:45,839 --> 00:57:51,400 this just to gain enough acceptance to 791 00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:55,119 eventually make it to a future where it doesn't matter because every other car 792 00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:59,680 on the road will behave in a predictable manner yeah but then there is other that 793 00:57:57,720 --> 00:58:02,559 bizarre and that is bizarre and you are completely correct but there is other 794 00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:07,640 reasons why they might have to be careful too if if a house Falls over and 795 00:58:05,559 --> 00:58:11,920 there's debris in the road or if there's if there's some sort of rock fall 796 00:58:09,599 --> 00:58:15,839 adverse weather effects that are somehow unpredictable in some way all these 797 00:58:14,359 --> 00:58:20,559 kinds of things telephone po that gets knocked over but those are much less 798 00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:24,799 frequent than some drunk dude crashing into a wall and making debris go all 799 00:58:22,799 --> 00:58:29,240 over the road so that is more what they have to take care of uh I know Elon Musk 800 00:58:27,359 --> 00:58:33,640 I I tweeted him a hilarious thing about wanting the D and I think half of the 801 00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:37,000 entire internet did as well and he replied the next day saying like oh the 802 00:58:35,599 --> 00:58:41,319 internet is hilarious that wasn't my intention I don't believe you at all 803 00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:50,319 that is yeah no no no because okay he wanted 804 00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:52,359 to release cars in the order of um SE 805 00:58:50,319 --> 00:58:56,280 and X because he thought that would be funny and then announcing like asking 806 00:58:54,880 --> 00:59:01,920 people if they want to know more about the D are you kidding 807 00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:03,839 me so much inuendo there's no way that's 808 00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:08,440 not that's not intentional so intentional oh my goodness I love it and 809 00:59:06,119 --> 00:59:12,760 that's hilarious and it's cool to see someone running one of these massive 810 00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:16,680 very important companies being able to like have a joke about these kind have a 811 00:59:14,839 --> 00:59:22,640 sense of humor about this stuff I mean why does product naming have to be so 812 00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:27,160 stuffy yeah you know have some fun with it I mean I'm sure that at least a 813 00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:32,079 handful of you have noticed that our secondary channel is called Techquickie 814 00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:35,760 and that our primary format is called fast as 815 00:59:33,359 --> 00:59:40,559 possible come on now more people have noticed you know the number of people 816 00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:44,160 who have pointed that out to me as if I 817 00:59:40,559 --> 00:59:47,280 didn't know by the way your channel is 818 00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:49,599 very like innuendo not sure if you knew 819 00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:53,440 yeah silly jokes on the W show sometimes I thought perhaps you didn't notice that 820 00:59:51,720 --> 01:00:00,280 did you know that fast as possible is an acronym for something else 821 00:59:56,599 --> 01:00:02,039 no wa really you know how long it came 822 01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:06,440 us to it took us to come up with that name and eventually we found one that 823 01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:11,240 fit was like wow that's awesome and went with that yeah even Techquickie even 824 01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:15,000 Techquickie we uh we we couldn't even find the channel name that was available 825 01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:22,720 that we were happy with we actually bought Techquickie for a GTX 670 and a 826 01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:25,200 3 terabyte hard drive I shipped it to 827 01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:28,280 some guy in Singapore and he transferred the channel to me 828 01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:31,440 that's hilarious yeah it actually had a bunch of videos on it so he transferred 829 01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:37,440 the channel to me I nuked them all we started over nice he wasn't going to do 830 01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:40,200 the deal with me until he um until he 831 01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:44,599 saw our primary Channel and he was like oh yeah you guys are like you guys are 832 01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:49,319 pretty cool you guys do cool stuff you need this more than I do oh but I would 833 01:00:47,119 --> 01:00:53,960 definitely like some hardware for it I was like okay man sure dude here you go 834 01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:56,880 we got this that's kind of cool I didn't actually know that story I knew we 835 01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:59,839 acquired it through some way and I know we traded Hardware but I didn't know 836 01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:05,359 like the whole yeah no he didn't even want to do it cuz it was actually tied 837 01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:07,280 to an email address that he used oh so 838 01:01:05,359 --> 01:01:12,280 he was like yeah I'm not using the YouTube channel but I'd really rather 839 01:01:09,559 --> 01:01:17,119 keep this and I kind of went dude please we've got big plans we've got stuff we 840 01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:20,359 want to do this is important and he went yeah okay okay I wonder if every once in 841 01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:23,760 a while he like he CHS back and was like oh cool I don't know maybe have you 842 01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:28,119 heard from him at all or no not at all that's interesting yeah funny hey anyway 843 01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:32,680 anyways I guess we can move on to like real show yeah I want to thank Scott for 844 01:01:30,079 --> 01:01:37,920 coming on the show yeah great guest lots of great information I know that some of 845 01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:42,880 it might have been a little bit sort of higher level than some of the stuff that 846 01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:45,480 we normally talk about but uh guys Scott 847 01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:51,680 knows a ton and everything he said there was really great information he's one of 848 01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:54,839 the most trustworthy voices in the 849 01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:57,559 entire tech industry okay he's a true 850 01:01:54,839 --> 01:02:00,960 journalist he so much about the truth and the real information so you guys 851 01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:05,160 should definitely check out the tech report definitely pay attention to what 852 01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:09,520 Scott's doing especially if you were captivated by his presence here on our 853 01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:13,200 show he does have a podcast so you guys should check that out as well normally I 854 01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:17,000 would like for him to be able to outro himself but unfortunately our Skype 855 01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:21,640 connection was lost and we can't bring him back on so uh there you go guys big 856 01:02:20,039 --> 01:02:26,599 thanks to Scott for coming on the show today and we thought that was great yep 857 01:02:24,599 --> 01:02:31,920 that was actually absolutely fantastic was the PCI Express 4.0 conversation on 858 01:02:30,039 --> 01:02:36,200 the mainstream no it wasn't on the mainstream yeah that was actually like 859 01:02:33,599 --> 01:02:40,760 my favorite part of the whole thing just knowledge bombs in the middle of nowhere 860 01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:44,440 I know I wanted to bring him back I wanted to come back to that while we 861 01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:51,200 were actually live on the show so Scott was talking about PCI Express 4.0 which 862 01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:54,680 is basically we've reached the limit of 863 01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:57,039 of what can be achieved by connecting 864 01:02:54,680 --> 01:03:02,279 graphics cards to other things and in the system via copper and PCI Express 865 01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:06,720 4.0 is going to be probably serveron technology at least for quite some time 866 01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:11,799 because of how expensive it's going to be to implement with like 867 01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:14,599 repeaters signal repeaters built into a 868 01:03:11,799 --> 01:03:18,200 motherboard just to get the signal far enough yeah because they have to make it 869 01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:22,480 so ridiculously tight because to get baned with that fast over copper it has 870 01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:25,160 to be pretty short really really cool so he was talking about how they're going 871 01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:29,119 to have to get into other Technologies outside of oper and apparently they're 872 01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:32,440 already working on this and it's kind of maybe working it's kind of working yeah 873 01:03:31,359 --> 01:03:36,880 oh man that was actually a really interesting conversation that was my yeah my favorite part about him having 874 01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:41,400 him on the show was that and that's not on the main show unfortunate yeah don't 875 01:03:39,279 --> 01:03:46,440 worry we'll uh we'll we'll have him back at some point um Nexus six specs have 876 01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:49,960 been leaked so the original article here is from Android police and this was 877 01:03:48,039 --> 01:03:53,240 posted on the Forum by top war gamer thank you top war gamer for posting that 878 01:03:51,440 --> 01:04:00,079 let's go ahead and pop this up on the screen this is the Motorola Nexus 6 a 879 01:03:56,520 --> 01:04:02,799 5.9 in Quad HD display with a 3200 880 01:04:00,079 --> 01:04:11,559 milliamp Plus Battery dual front facing speakers and more and I hate it why it's 881 01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:16,559 a fablet oh yeah okay it's almost 6 in 882 01:04:11,559 --> 01:04:18,000 yeah I mean I understand that no I don't 883 01:04:16,559 --> 01:04:24,079 understand this well how big is it I know it's not but how is a uh I 884 01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:31,799 understand having a fablet in your product lineup y i get that but Google's 885 01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:34,640 Nexus line is the one phone that pardon 886 01:04:31,799 --> 01:04:40,680 the pun is supposed to be one size fits all and a fablet does not fit all like 887 01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:43,480 the D period oh no there's lots of 888 01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:49,039 different sizes of D's that are needed um I was just yeah anyways uh it's yeah 889 01:04:46,799 --> 01:04:55,200 so the the Note 4 is kind of a huge phone and this is2 larger because the 890 01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:57,279 Note 4 is 5.7 in this is 5.9 so this is 891 01:04:55,200 --> 01:05:02,520 extremely frustrating to me because I already find a 5 in phone to be pretty 892 01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:05,720 much the limit for me okay and and I always used to play Devil's Advocate and 893 01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:09,559 say that I liked bigger phones like I have bigger hands or whatever but I 894 01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:13,319 actually really like this phone you've been using the Moto X my Moto X and 895 01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:19,160 whenever I use bigger phones now I'm like you know what I can reach the other corner I don't want to have to reach for 896 01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:22,880 the other corner it's easier when I can just click on it and I know some people 897 01:05:20,799 --> 01:05:26,480 are going to like destroy me for that but like it doesn't it doesn't matter I 898 01:05:24,359 --> 01:05:31,720 use my phone more for like production style stuff so like like 899 01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:36,640 emails utility stuff yeah I'm not watching videos on it really I'll listen 900 01:05:34,119 --> 01:05:41,319 to music doesn't matter having a huge screen for music because it just sits in 901 01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:46,720 my pocket so like I I listen to music I read emails I read documents I type 902 01:05:44,079 --> 01:05:50,119 things up I reply to emails text messages phone calls that kind of stuff 903 01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:53,119 so I don't actually necessarily care about a huge screen anymore I used to 904 01:05:52,079 --> 01:05:58,400 because I used to game on my phone a little bit right but I haven't seen so 905 01:05:56,000 --> 01:06:01,839 over gaming on my phone yeah and like especially with Smash Bros which is 906 01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:05,200 awesome I can actually talk about it now because it released this morning oh yeah 907 01:06:03,839 --> 01:06:10,160 you've been playing it for how long like two weeks ni so good the only 908 01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:13,400 unfortunate part was now that I actually had to go get my own copy because they 909 01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:18,440 get the review copy back it's all saved on the card oh so I lost all my progress 910 01:06:16,559 --> 01:06:26,760 go Nintendo um but the 911 01:06:23,279 --> 01:06:28,720 um sup weird noise um the Hyrule 912 01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:31,680 Warriors one it saves locally to your Wii U oh nice so I had to get another 913 01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:36,520 copy of that but then I still have my save so I went further in that game and 914 01:06:34,279 --> 01:06:40,400 smash is more about just fighting so it's not that big of a deal um but yeah 915 01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:44,799 tons of fun and I would way rather play that than something on my phone right so 916 01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:48,960 I just haul my 2DS with me and then everyone knows what a shield lover I am 917 01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:52,240 yeah so then you have the shield and like if if if I didn't have a 2DS I 918 01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:57,480 would go with the shield I would not go with a phone with Shield at 200 bucks 919 01:06:55,000 --> 01:07:01,359 that's a brainer for me yeah for a proper 920 01:06:58,440 --> 01:07:05,200 controller um yeah no I don't know I I'm not really into phone gaming so I don't 921 01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:09,359 see the point I don't know I was happy when I first saw this before I saw the 922 01:07:07,319 --> 01:07:13,119 size because I was looking at stuff like oh okay so they brought forward facing 923 01:07:11,119 --> 01:07:16,160 speakers that's cool they fix the battery problem that's cool and then 924 01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:20,839 they have a lot of the other features that that the other Moto X would have 925 01:07:19,039 --> 01:07:24,440 which is that's also cool yeah it's very similar to the new Moto X so it's got 926 01:07:22,839 --> 01:07:28,920 the same aluminum frame around the outside looks very very similar other 927 01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:32,240 than being larger but ring flash a lot of the a lot of the Innovations here 928 01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:38,119 aren't really that meaningful to me especially things like a Quad HD display 929 01:07:35,279 --> 01:07:44,119 I reviewed the G3 there's a lot more to a display than resolution so much more 930 01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:46,440 there's a whole world of contrast and 931 01:07:44,119 --> 01:07:49,520 color reproduction out there that has nothing to do with how many pixels you 932 01:07:48,079 --> 01:07:53,400 can cram into a space and that's one thing I brought up in my Note 4 video 933 01:07:51,119 --> 01:07:57,680 from CTI was that they had an extremely high resolution display on the Note 4 934 01:07:55,640 --> 01:08:03,880 but they didn't sacrifice what it looked like right so the the color still looks 935 01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:07,720 really good which was not a thing on the G3 well that and because Samsung's going 936 01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:14,559 to be using AMOLED they're not going to lose contrast the way that the way that 937 01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:17,719 a typical LCD will like the um the HTC1 938 01:08:14,559 --> 01:08:19,560 M8 is an LCD screen but it's got great 939 01:08:17,719 --> 01:08:24,120 contrast which makes it easier to use outside than the G3 in spite of all the 940 01:08:21,759 --> 01:08:28,839 pixels because it's contrast ratio so the difference between the darkest darks 941 01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:32,480 and the whitest whites is not as high whereas AMOLED is able to turn the 942 01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:37,400 pixels right off when they're not being used so you'll typically have excellent 943 01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:40,920 contrast so that's why something like that is going to work a little bit better and while you might not 944 01:08:39,759 --> 01:08:43,799 necessarily care about the higher resolution on a Note 4 because you're 945 01:08:42,759 --> 01:08:48,239 probably not going to be able to know the difference if you get something like a gear VR you'll be able to tell the 946 01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:53,239 difference when it's right there in front of your face kind curious to try 947 01:08:50,239 --> 01:08:54,799 gear VR it's surprisingly good but there 948 01:08:53,239 --> 01:08:58,080 is also drawbacks have we talked about on the show before we have yeah okay so 949 01:08:56,359 --> 01:09:01,080 I'm not going to dive into it much but I think it's going to be retail available 950 01:08:59,640 --> 01:09:04,319 and not way too long so we might be able to try one out if we get a note 4 it's 951 01:09:02,719 --> 01:09:07,560 one phone compatible right now right they're hoping to open it up at some 952 01:09:05,880 --> 01:09:11,480 point but as of right now it's one phone compatible right all right so let's move 953 01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:16,560 into our sponsor spots here really quickly Squarespace is 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01:13:16,040 --> 01:13:21,920 on to talk about it I haven't checked with him so obviously no promises but he 1012 01:13:20,280 --> 01:13:27,120 did say he'd come on the show again at some point but the coolest thing about 1013 01:13:24,320 --> 01:13:34,040 this besides besides being able to swap you know cameras let's say for example 1014 01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:36,840 you can swap the battery while it's 1015 01:13:34,040 --> 01:13:39,920 running whoa It's like what what are they 1016 01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:43,080 Tesla okay you can't do it while it's running but you can do it very quickly 1017 01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:47,560 on a Tesla yes faster than you can fill up your card with gas but how cool is 1018 01:13:45,440 --> 01:13:52,480 that okay that's actually pretty awesome so Project Ara I've gone from being 1019 01:13:49,639 --> 01:13:56,360 extremely skeptical to being extremely hopeful to being extremely not 1020 01:13:54,639 --> 01:14:01,960 interested because I was sure it was going to be very very lowend stuff to 1021 01:13:59,080 --> 01:14:06,560 being pretty interested again all of a sudden it's got It's got a little bit of 1022 01:14:04,719 --> 01:14:12,120 onboard uh it's got a little bit of onboard power so you will actually be 1023 01:14:08,679 --> 01:14:15,040 able to potentially mid call swap 1024 01:14:12,120 --> 01:14:18,800 battery packs for True continuous use and like I've had people that I work 1025 01:14:16,199 --> 01:14:22,239 with in the past carry around multiple batteries with them with their phone 1026 01:14:20,440 --> 01:14:25,159 they never actually plugged this was this was one specific guy that I worked 1027 01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:28,440 with he would always have two spare batteries with him at all points in time 1028 01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:31,920 and the battery in his phone and he would never plug in his phone to charge 1029 01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:35,560 if it was getting low he'd turn it off swap the battery out turn it back on and 1030 01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:39,120 keep going just like that eh and he would just always charge his batteries 1031 01:14:37,080 --> 01:14:42,880 so this phone will be perfect for him I know he won't get it because he works 1032 01:14:40,480 --> 01:14:47,239 for his very specific company but this phone would have been perfect for 1033 01:14:44,840 --> 01:14:51,920 him and I do know people that would like doing that as well because like when 1034 01:14:49,320 --> 01:14:55,320 when uh there's there's that what is it commercial yeah there's a commercial 1035 01:14:53,199 --> 01:14:58,719 going on right now where the the guy his boss calls him and he's on a golf course 1036 01:14:57,440 --> 01:15:02,719 and his boss is yelling at him for something and the phone only has 4% battery left and it just dies during the 1037 01:15:01,560 --> 01:15:06,920 call and he's like now I don't have a job anymore you had one of these it's 1038 01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:12,159 not the battery up yeah I'm sure that's going to be the the ad for 1039 01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:13,440 it no no no there is an ad right now oh 1040 01:15:12,159 --> 01:15:17,960 where the guy loses his job while he's on a golf course because his phone dies no I just mean I'm sure that's going to 1041 01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:22,920 be the ad for Project R I'm sure that's going to be like exactly what they're 1042 01:15:21,120 --> 01:15:27,480 going for I I think it's probably going to be it's going to be more about the 1043 01:15:24,679 --> 01:15:33,159 Google Play Type store that they currently Envision for parts where 1044 01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:35,480 you'll be able to shop lenses or shop 1045 01:15:33,159 --> 01:15:39,920 processors or whatever else and just quickly and easily order new swappable 1046 01:15:38,199 --> 01:15:43,800 parts for your project rphone I I think it's incredibly cool and I'm now getting 1047 01:15:42,440 --> 01:15:51,000 pretty excited about that would be cool because one thing I'm worried about is taking my Moto X with me to 1048 01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:53,000 Germany sorry um and not being it's not 1049 01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:58,480 your mom is it no new employees leaving oh okay 1050 01:15:55,080 --> 01:16:02,120 bye thank you thank you bye um it is my 1051 01:15:58,480 --> 01:16:04,400 pictures going to suck right freaking 1052 01:16:02,120 --> 01:16:09,960 camera's terrible right like it's it's not good it's specifically not good and 1053 01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:13,239 like I don't have a here you can borrow mine you going to be using this I don't 1054 01:16:12,080 --> 01:16:18,400 know if you look at the lens you might know why I was going to lend it to you oh yeah that's not good yeah I crack 1055 01:16:16,159 --> 01:16:22,520 cracked the lens on my one I contacted HTC support so maybe I'll maybe I'll 1056 01:16:20,520 --> 01:16:25,880 tweet my results but I'm contacting them just as a regular guy through the 1057 01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:32,080 regular support channels and I'm going to see how they treat me um so 1058 01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:34,320 far I had I had one lady tell me that 1059 01:16:32,080 --> 01:16:37,560 for sure it was going to be covered and then she wanted me to check with my 1060 01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:41,080 carrier to see if they would deal with the RMA for me first before calling them 1061 01:16:39,520 --> 01:16:45,760 back and they'd escalate me and I kind of went well I didn't get the phone through my carrier so probably not my 1062 01:16:43,960 --> 01:16:50,000 carrier wasn't interested so I called back and the second lady said we can't 1063 01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:52,679 guarantee that it's going to be covered and you're going to have to pay to send 1064 01:16:51,320 --> 01:16:58,400 the phone and I'm okay with paying to send the phone to their RMA Center that's pretty standard in the tech 1065 01:16:55,800 --> 01:17:03,760 industry um but if they don't cover this cracked lens I'm going to be pretty not 1066 01:17:01,080 --> 01:17:07,320 impressed because the only way that that lens could be cracked is if there's 1067 01:17:05,560 --> 01:17:13,280 something bloody well wrong with it cuz the rest of it all around it absolutely 1068 01:17:10,520 --> 01:17:18,120 perfect Immaculate and this lens is fine it's a bit of a known issue that that 1069 01:17:14,840 --> 01:17:20,400 main camera lens cover is uh is not that 1070 01:17:18,120 --> 01:17:24,679 great there are things you can do if you use a very mild abrasive like toothpaste 1071 01:17:22,920 --> 01:17:29,320 you can get the coating off of it that has been causing it to appear kind of 1072 01:17:26,239 --> 01:17:31,560 scratchy and then it's fine and uh but 1073 01:17:29,320 --> 01:17:36,520 but with it cracked obviously that ain't going to help me much so let's see I 1074 01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:39,199 it's kind of fun being a normal customer every once in a while for me and just 1075 01:17:37,719 --> 01:17:44,000 seeing how people treat me um but yeah I was even thinking about 1076 01:17:42,360 --> 01:17:49,360 possibly maybe getting that camera that Austin will never stop talking about at 1077 01:17:46,440 --> 01:17:53,159 21 but I'm not going to because I don't want to spend that much money how much 1078 01:17:50,800 --> 01:17:56,360 is it 800 bucks oh wow yeah you don't seem like the kind of person who I don't 1079 01:17:54,560 --> 01:18:02,199 think you've spent $800 on anything since I met you other than your 1080 01:17:59,400 --> 01:18:07,719 car no definitely not um yeah so I don't 1081 01:18:06,239 --> 01:18:10,320 know he wants new computer hardware he just steals 1082 01:18:10,360 --> 01:18:21,719 it people ask me if I get stuff from work and I'm like no I take stuff from 1083 01:18:21,719 --> 01:18:32,639 work anyways um yeah oh well all right 1084 01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:35,239 uh Facebook is doing an about face book 1085 01:18:32,639 --> 01:18:40,120 on their real name policy so the this was posted by by Mega zero on the Forum 1086 01:18:38,159 --> 01:18:45,520 and the original source is the Wall Street Journal okay so let's go ahead 1087 01:18:42,719 --> 01:18:49,199 and pop that on there there we go hopefully that'll load at some point 1088 01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:53,360 which like okay I I find this slightly hilarious because while I feel bad for 1089 01:18:51,800 --> 01:18:58,080 the people that had their names forcibly revealed 1090 01:18:55,320 --> 01:19:02,960 I may or may not and people that I know may or may not have Facebook accounts 1091 01:19:00,760 --> 01:19:07,400 under their gamertags that have existed for a very long time that have never 1092 01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:13,560 been changed which last names with like first 1093 01:19:10,320 --> 01:19:16,679 and last names that are definitely not 1094 01:19:13,560 --> 01:19:18,600 real right but like not even real names 1095 01:19:16,679 --> 01:19:26,719 well the issue here was that it seemed to be a um a person or group of people 1096 01:19:22,639 --> 01:19:26,719 targeting drag queens and 1097 01:19:27,440 --> 01:19:34,920 so Facebook because the tools are mostly automated just kind of went through and 1098 01:19:32,920 --> 01:19:39,679 and forced all these people to submit library cards or gym memberships or 1099 01:19:36,880 --> 01:19:44,600 whatever else to to validate their names and of course they couldn't because they 1100 01:19:41,960 --> 01:19:49,719 go by let's say for example a stage name that is not their real name legally and 1101 01:19:48,199 --> 01:19:55,400 and so basically it was a targeted attack on these people forcing them to 1102 01:19:51,560 --> 01:19:57,679 reveal their legal names and um that is 1103 01:19:55,400 --> 01:20:00,520 why Facebook is kind of going well hold on a second that's not really what we 1104 01:19:58,960 --> 01:20:04,280 meant to do here and they're re-evaluating the policy saying well 1105 01:20:02,880 --> 01:20:10,120 hold on a second what we were really trying to achieve is to have people use 1106 01:20:07,280 --> 01:20:15,719 a name that they use in real life not necessarily that we wanted everyone to 1107 01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:16,960 force forcibly reveal their legal name 1108 01:20:15,719 --> 01:20:22,440 because honestly they want they want a name that they can Target advertisements at yes that's what they want yeah that's 1109 01:20:21,000 --> 01:20:26,880 all they care about yeah so they don't care about getting your real like government issued name but they want the 1110 01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:29,320 name that you're using online so they can Target ads to you that's right so 1111 01:20:28,360 --> 01:20:36,800 they're not really trying to be oppressive in that way they just want to be it just happened yeah cuz automated 1112 01:20:34,800 --> 01:20:41,960 tools yeah yeah reasons why people are scared about 1113 01:20:39,520 --> 01:20:45,920 automated driving speaking of automated in Facebook and scary uh Facebook's 1114 01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:50,000 developing giant unmanned planes that are designed to fly for months at a time 1115 01:20:48,040 --> 01:20:54,719 this was posted by ethod on the Forum thank you for that and the original 1116 01:20:51,679 --> 01:20:56,239 article here is from the BBC so they're 1117 01:20:54,719 --> 01:21:00,960 planning to have them fly above the weather which I believe is yeah 60,000 1118 01:20:58,120 --> 01:21:05,480 to 990,000 Ft which is huge it's supposed to be about 6 or seven Priuses 1119 01:21:03,880 --> 01:21:10,280 in length I love how they're using this as a unit of measurement six or seven 1120 01:21:08,679 --> 01:21:16,840 Priuses in length which I believe is about two luses so we're looking at 1121 01:21:12,239 --> 01:21:20,560 about 12 to 14 lus 14 luses and then and 1122 01:21:16,840 --> 01:21:24,320 then or like about or about two school 1123 01:21:20,560 --> 01:21:27,040 buses yeah there you go and uh where is 1124 01:21:24,320 --> 01:21:32,679 it about the weight of four tires of a Prius so weighs basically nothing wow 1125 01:21:30,679 --> 01:21:37,679 that's incredible I think that's why like they're supposed to be solar 1126 01:21:33,840 --> 01:21:39,080 powered for one which is insane that's 1127 01:21:37,679 --> 01:21:44,800 that's incredible that's that is kind of incredible so I'm assuming if they're solar power they're going to have to be 1128 01:21:41,560 --> 01:21:46,280 some type of uh propeller base cuz 1129 01:21:44,800 --> 01:21:50,520 you're going to have to move something instead of having a 1130 01:21:48,080 --> 01:21:53,360 jet so that's interesting not entirely sure how they're going to do that I 1131 01:21:51,920 --> 01:21:55,960 don't think there's a ton of information about that yet not yet could be 1132 01:21:54,960 --> 01:22:01,360 interesting they're planning on getting Wi-Fi to a whole bunch of different places in the world with the intent of 1133 01:21:59,400 --> 01:22:05,800 totally not just advertising to even more people but getting more people 1134 01:22:03,360 --> 01:22:09,440 online to help with uh just spread of information so you can get people out of 1135 01:22:07,800 --> 01:22:15,000 poverty and help with child mortality and stuff like that yeah all all the 1136 01:22:12,000 --> 01:22:16,719 stuff all a lot of the stuff that's 1137 01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:20,639 going to be achieved thanks to this initiative is going to be extremely 1138 01:22:18,199 --> 01:22:24,520 positive oh yeah definitely not I was just kind of poking fun but I mean I 1139 01:22:22,719 --> 01:22:28,960 think you know if we look at why Facebook invests in anything are they 1140 01:22:26,360 --> 01:22:33,360 ultimately after themselves and their own interests of course 1141 01:22:31,040 --> 01:22:36,800 yes they're going to do that a publicly traded company Lo no less they have to 1142 01:22:35,360 --> 01:22:40,080 justify everything they do to shareholders so so wait till the 1143 01:22:38,960 --> 01:22:44,719 shareholders meeting and then you'll figure out why they're actually doing it yeah exactly but it will be 1144 01:22:43,159 --> 01:22:48,000 overwhelmingly positive for a lot of people unless the internet access is 1145 01:22:46,480 --> 01:22:53,440 only to Facebook but I doubt that'll be a thing all right do28 posted this on 1146 01:22:50,159 --> 01:22:57,400 the Forum and Kano has evidently shipped 1147 01:22:53,440 --> 01:22:59,880 their build learn to code computer kits 1148 01:22:57,400 --> 01:23:04,639 to the first batch of backers we actually got one yeah so we did back it 1149 01:23:02,400 --> 01:23:08,000 and um I'm actually going to have Luke probably do the review on this when he 1150 01:23:06,120 --> 01:23:11,880 gets back but do you want to tell people a little bit about the Kano either way 1151 01:23:10,040 --> 01:23:16,400 before I get people into it I'm going to have you as part of the video because 1152 01:23:14,320 --> 01:23:20,760 part of the idea is that it's supposed to take uh hacking round with code and 1153 01:23:18,560 --> 01:23:24,920 learning uh computational thinking Child's Play not that's that's just kind 1154 01:23:23,320 --> 01:23:27,880 of no it's supposed to make it easier and 1155 01:23:26,440 --> 01:23:33,920 it's supposed to make it easier to understand and just having instead of just having it be raw code all over the 1156 01:23:30,679 --> 01:23:36,040 place there'll be examples and it'll 1157 01:23:33,920 --> 01:23:40,040 Build You Up you'll learn as you as you play with it and I want you to try it as 1158 01:23:38,239 --> 01:23:45,199 someone who hasn't programmed just to see how the how the like barrier of 1159 01:23:43,199 --> 01:23:49,159 Entry is so we'll get both perspectives yeah because the barrier of Entry to 1160 01:23:46,520 --> 01:23:52,400 coding can be brutal for a lot of people and then once you start rolling it's a 1161 01:23:50,440 --> 01:23:57,000 lot easier but the barri of Entry sucks and a big part of this project is is to 1162 01:23:55,080 --> 01:24:00,760 lower or lessen that barrier of Entry so it should be pretty interesting but it's 1163 01:23:58,560 --> 01:24:04,920 essentially a little Raspberry Pi single board Linux based computer that has some 1164 01:24:03,400 --> 01:24:08,800 of their software on it which helps teach you how to code it's not the most 1165 01:24:06,560 --> 01:24:13,080 super complicated thing but it is a very cheap way to get into programming and it 1166 01:24:11,480 --> 01:24:18,360 can essentially build you up a whole computer you just have to add like a screen and stuff yep they're going to 1167 01:24:16,080 --> 01:24:21,920 get into modular components at some point in the future here screens battery 1168 01:24:20,040 --> 01:24:26,080 sensors lights Robotics and all kinds of stuff like that so the future looks 1169 01:24:24,520 --> 01:24:29,920 pretty bright for these guys they actually just brought in uh the former 1170 01:24:27,880 --> 01:24:32,920 CEO of match.com as their Chief Operating Officer yeah I think right now 1171 01:24:31,960 --> 01:24:37,280 it comes with the keyboard right keyboard with a little touchpad on it I think so all you need to do is hook it 1172 01:24:36,040 --> 01:24:41,520 up to a screen so if you walk around with this thing you could have the the 1173 01:24:39,040 --> 01:24:44,159 power brick and the little keyboard and the mini raspberry power unit you just 1174 01:24:43,040 --> 01:24:50,000 have to hook it up to a screen you're good to go anywhere which is actually pretty 1175 01:24:46,600 --> 01:24:52,840 cool all right so I think we've got uh 1176 01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:57,280 probably a couple more couple more topics here and then we might just have 1177 01:24:54,520 --> 01:25:01,920 to wrap things up sure what do you think is next EA finally fixed Battlefield 4 1178 01:25:00,480 --> 01:25:06,119 and apparently they're releasing some stuff to Sims like pools which probably 1179 01:25:04,920 --> 01:25:11,560 should have been there in the in the beginning but they're not charging people for it which a lot of people were 1180 01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:16,560 expecting so you're getting uh swimming pools ghosts and Star Wars theme content 1181 01:25:14,280 --> 01:25:21,080 along with some new careers paths and all of that should be free cool which I 1182 01:25:19,480 --> 01:25:24,920 don't necessarily care about but we did Hammer them for that so we should have 1183 01:25:22,679 --> 01:25:30,159 that positive so we should we should be nice when they do good things we should 1184 01:25:27,800 --> 01:25:34,639 all right EA we'll be nice but Ubisoft we're still mad at 1185 01:25:31,600 --> 01:25:37,119 you yeah you didn't make Shadows of 1186 01:25:34,639 --> 01:25:41,239 Mordor yeah I know right I'm really excited to play it the I've seen some 1187 01:25:39,040 --> 01:25:45,239 complaints about the combat still being kind of simplistic but I want to I want 1188 01:25:43,440 --> 01:25:48,880 to really play it for myself before I before I judge it here uh there's a good 1189 01:25:47,199 --> 01:25:54,400 post on the Forum comparing it to the Batman series um especially the combat 1190 01:25:51,360 --> 01:25:57,320 saying it's just not as deep and it's 1191 01:25:54,400 --> 01:26:02,360 very frustrating to play without uh Telegraph attack indicators because the 1192 01:25:59,800 --> 01:26:06,719 the telegraphs are not as clear and it ends up a lot of the time just being a 1193 01:26:04,080 --> 01:26:13,280 cluster hump of of Bad Dudes around you and it's kind of hard to manage and then 1194 01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:15,280 playing with telegrass on pretty easy so 1195 01:26:13,280 --> 01:26:18,800 yeah that makes sense I I you played The Batman Batman series a lot more 1196 01:26:16,639 --> 01:26:23,600 thoroughly than I did mhm so you'll probably have more input on that side I 1197 01:26:21,560 --> 01:26:27,880 barely touched the Batman series so I won't really even know um I know when I 1198 01:26:26,159 --> 01:26:32,520 play I'm going to try and play with the little Telegraph things but I'm probably 1199 01:26:30,480 --> 01:26:36,760 going to get murdered but I don't necessarily mind dying in games right as 1200 01:26:35,199 --> 01:26:42,920 long as it's possible for me to keep progressing yeah I'm okay as long as it's fair yeah yeah make it fair I mean 1201 01:26:40,400 --> 01:26:47,199 not like Warcraft 2 where you would play a One V one against a computer on an 1202 01:26:45,000 --> 01:26:51,880 eight player map and then if you watch the replay or just turn off fog of war 1203 01:26:49,679 --> 01:26:58,760 with a cheat you could watch their first Soldier or grunt walk straight to your 1204 01:26:54,880 --> 01:27:00,520 base it's like come on at least search 1205 01:26:58,760 --> 01:27:06,080 like at least try to search at least pretend to like hardcoded in so they 1206 01:27:03,360 --> 01:27:11,000 look in one place that you're not before so so you always knew you had to build 1207 01:27:07,840 --> 01:27:12,679 one guard Tower before anything else so 1208 01:27:11,000 --> 01:27:17,119 that you could deal with that stupid first and second 1209 01:27:14,440 --> 01:27:20,480 attack kind of brutal yeah so I don't know I'll probably try it the hard way 1210 01:27:18,920 --> 01:27:23,840 just cuz it sounds kind of fun and the combat does seem pretty simplistic so 1211 01:27:22,119 --> 01:27:28,320 far and removing that will make the combat not simplistic at all so I don't 1212 01:27:26,760 --> 01:27:32,719 know we'll see all right well I think that's pretty much it for the show here 1213 01:27:29,920 --> 01:27:36,960 today guys um thank you for watching again big thanks to Scott for being our 1214 01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:41,880 guest big thanks to Squarespace for being our sponsor and Dollar Shave Club 1215 01:27:38,960 --> 01:27:47,000 for being our other sponsor and uh we'll see you guys again next week um don't 1216 01:27:44,760 --> 01:27:51,679 worry we know what's causing the con connectivity problems and we will get 1217 01:27:48,960 --> 01:27:55,239 that resolved before the show next week so stay tuned for that thanks for 1218 01:27:53,440 --> 01:28:01,639 watching and uh if you missed any of the show today the whole thing uninterrupted 1219 01:27:57,639 --> 01:28:01,639 will be up in the archive on YouTube 1220 01:28:04,159 --> 01:28:09,639 y oh whoops dang it 1221 01:28:31,360 --> 01:28:37,719 oh there's a lot of people asking about the 1 million subscriber giveaway that's 1222 01:28:36,040 --> 01:28:43,239 already been announced and the winners are linked under last week's man show 1223 01:28:39,840 --> 01:28:45,360 that's that's done I've actually got the 1224 01:28:43,239 --> 01:28:50,880 uh the the the gaming notebook sitting at NC ready to ship out to the winner so 1225 01:28:48,080 --> 01:28:53,560 yeah good stuff hooray all right see you guys