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okay wow time again so I've got a

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terrific story for you guys if you're not tired of my excuses for why this

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show is always late 25 minutes my favorite thing ever

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is that like every time you're gone we're always 5 minutes

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early well I was fixing a problem that

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maybe had you been more on the ball and proactive we wouldn't have had so you're

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the one that on having the computer streaming that had a zap strap around

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the heat sink so that it could keep running that zap strap was in is

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incredibly reliable technology plastic never fails plastic holds together

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plastic never fails unless UV then plastic then plastic fails very quickly

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um so so guys basically what happened is last week we had Paul and Kyle formerly

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of New Egg TV on and we were dropping frames like mad it was no good it was

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terrible during the stream so I realized about half an hour before today's stream

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was supposed to start that we had a guest Skyping in this week and built the

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computer yet we hadn't actually swapped out the CPU we had we had done nothing

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to make the the computer actually work and not drop frames all over the

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freaking place so I actually did a motherboard CPU RAM swap reinstalled all

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the capture cards reconfigured xsplit because all the capture settings are

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messed up cuz they're all in different slots they've got different IDs now cuz

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you have multiple capture cards they're just it'll arbitrarily well this is

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number one and this is two and this is so if that changes xplit doesn't

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remember anything we had to redo the color we've actually this room has

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someone's chair in it and desk now because we've added another body here at

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lonus Media Group so we had to move the entire thing it's a miracle we're live

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at all but of course what I really meant to say is so I'm

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sorry and thank you for tuning in and uh we're going to get on with the show now

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so we've got a lot of to Windows excuse me 10 10 Windows 10

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there's a technical preview you can go ahead and download it uh we'll talk a

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little bit about what's new in Windows 10 or more specifically what is old and

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not the new thing that we hated anymore also Tesla is pretty sure that when they

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show you the D they are you are going to want it I do I want the d from what I

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can see so far just like the the head peeking out I want the d wow

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I can't that's the picture they've launched okay why don't you just go

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ahead and talk about other topics Scott Watson will be live with us very soon so

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we'll have him on the show from the tech report yeah man Samsung will be on the

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te 14 nmet chips for AMD Which Scott Watson will probably talk about yeah I

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would think so in fact tech report that's going to be a great topic for us

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to uh to pick his brain about yep Project Ara will have hot swap modules

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with a Google Play like store where you'll be able to buy all their stuff

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super easily and you'll even be able to probably swap out their battery without

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fully turning off your phone think of Project Ara kind of like a multi-bit

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screwdriver you see I could have kept using the screwdriver while I swapped

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component well okay not quite okay Project Ara better than a screwdriver better

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than a multi-bit screwdriver except when you need a

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screwdriver let's roll the stupid intro

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all right so we had no audio for the first part of this and I'm supposed to

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be introducing our sponsors for today so no intro audio at all no intro a oh what

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no I had it apparently they didn't oh I

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anyway let's go back to uh apparently they did have audio and people are just being

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trolls twitch chat horrible all right so guys we're

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not going to waste too much time because we told Scott he was going to be joining

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us at around 5:00 and and it is now 5:00

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That was supposed to be half an hour into the show but the show just started

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so Scott you're live welcome to the show

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want to do a quick introduction to who exactly this Scott guy is and why he's

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on their screens so am I giving the introduction

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or you giving the introduction I will introduce you okay so Scott is basically

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a like a gray hair of the industry you know yeah

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I would I would have called him a Gray beard but I don't think he can grow a beard any more than I can so it's not

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good yeah so guys Scott is one of the most

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respected Tech reviewers Tech writers in the industry he's been doing it a long

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time like a really long time sorry Scott I'll stop with the old stuff but he's

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been doing it a long time he's you're not

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wrong he's extremely experienced and

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basically if you wanted to get on you know a video video call with someone and

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kind of you know hey can you talk technical to me you know that kind of

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thing you would want you would want Scott on your Skype so we're going to

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hit some pretty hard tech topics and you

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guys can find him over at the techreport tocom they have lots of great articles

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about um I think

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fures see right when you said did fur I thought you were going with like for me

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and I was like that's a little old so I thought you were going in with the old jokes again I was like that's not that

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old though yeah it's like it's like I don't know nope Furby 3dfx SLI coverage

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gForce 4 review if you want to read it there you go there you go see GeForce 4

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to give you some idea so back in the GeForce 4 days I was still looking at

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like the local computer paper Y and trying to figure out what an AGP

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was and you were reviewing graphics cards so Scott why don't we kick things

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off with actually something that we that we didn't really put in your guest

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section as far as I know have you heard the rumor have you heard the news sort

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of news we're not sure rumor right now about AMD potentially partnering with

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Samsung to produce 14 nanometer chips

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yes yeah and and you know I don't we

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wrote a story about this and we asked AMD to comment and I don't think they got back to us um so I'm not sure it's

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confirmed but it makes sense for a couple reasons um you know AMD gets a

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lot of it chips made at its own former

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Fabs by a company called run now by a company called Global foundaries yeah

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and glofo as I like to call them and they don't like that

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but they've had some trouble getting to the next process node shrinking their

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chips down and um they are part of a

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common platform Alliance they Share technology with IBM and Samsung and so

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these guys kind of work together to make things go and an unusual thing happened

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earlier this year um glofo licensed

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Samsung's uh 14 nmet process from them

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and we think that probably I think probably AMD was kind of behind that

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they didn't like glo's Pro progress toward getting to that node and Samsung

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had made it or gotten close um and so

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there was a sort of a technology transfer but now it sounds like maybe

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Samsung's going to just make chips irly for AMD so here's uh here's kind of an

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interesting thing this would be the first time in even as long as you've

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been covering Tech that that someone

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that someone might potentially be at the

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same level as Intel for an extended period of time I mean Intel's they're

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not that close to or wait excuse me so they're on 14 now but they're not that

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close to 10 are they like we just heard about them announcing a 10 nanometer Fab

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that they're building yeah in Israel but this that means that AMD Apple Samsung

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could all be on the same process node as Intel for a little while here well it's

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yeah the hard part about that is that the other guys are still talking about

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14 and Intel has been shipping 14 in volume for a couple months um and so

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that the talking about it and getting there are different things I think

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Samsung has done some test chips and things like that I'm not completely up

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on this status of that but my sense is they're not yet shipping 14 nmet stuff

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in volume um at least not the types of chips that we're talking about them

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building for AMD so yeah it would be

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nice to think that everybody could catch up with Intel but uh I don't know it

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hasn't happened for a long time and everybody's road map always says they're

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going to and then they never do it when

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was when was the last time you might you might remember this

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wow I don't know like somewhere around 90 nmet maybe um right so that was back

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in what pre Prescott days yeah I mean you remember the Intel's penum 4 stuff

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wasn't great and uh their 90 nanometer process was somewhat leaky so it

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consumed a lot of power they had a chip architecture problem too but they had a

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lot of problems at the same time and and Manufacturing was one of them AMD had

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some goodness going on with copper interconnects and a silicon on insulator

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and things like that and so they there was there there was a time there when it

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wasn't entirely clear like it has been for the past four or five years that

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Intel was in the league compared to everybody else right so speaking of the

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kinds of chips that AMD would want someone like Samsung to build it 14

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nanometer uh there's rumors a foot of a

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new FX replacement finally a legitimate

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high performance chip from AMD to replace the a in FX lineup so is that

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what we're looking at here and if so any

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idea when what do you think well I think the rumors are about apus or S so's and

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if you look at the time frame involved um it's got to be 2015 right so if it's

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2015 I'm not sure if that's soon enough for AMD to have a new core out but we

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know they have one in development the the ARM version of it is called the k12

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and C6 is I think called Zen and that's

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a new big core that I my sense is that AMD is going to try to build something

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that will compete with the hells and skylakes and whatever Intel has out by

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the time it it's uh you know it ships a product I think we may be looking at

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2016 for that core but I expect that

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when that core is ready it will go into apus and S so's and so if Samsung's

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making them then you could have assuming

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that Samsung does a good job at 14 anomers you could have a nice

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convergence of Samsung's process Tech with the new CPU architecture from AMD

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so tell me something I mean we've seen so just a just a brief explanation for

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the viewers of how the cost structure of a CPU actually works it's all about how

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much how how many dieses you're going to get out of a wafer so Wafers are pretty

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much an industry standard size and if you build a CPU that maybe you put

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Mountain loads of cash on and you put a ton of cores in it and you make one

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that's really big ultimately you have to buy a lot of these wafers in order to

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end up with X number of dyes out of that

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wafer out of which some of them will be good and some of them will be corrupted

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and won't be usable some of them will be partially usable so maybe they'll have

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less cash or they'll be clocked lower or whatever else the case may be exuse out

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of those so the way that processor manufacturers optimize for cost is they

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try to shrink all aspects of the chip so

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that they can fit more chips onto a

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wafer so AMD by being a process node or

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even two behind Intel is at a huge disadvantage because they get far fewer

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chips out of these Wafers so their costs are inherently much higher if they

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reached processed node parody and AMD was willing to take the kinds of margins

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that they've been taking on their CPUs for quite some time Scott do you think

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they could build a CPU let's say not an APU let's say an fx CPU cuz we've seen

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Intel spending so much of their die space on Graphics if AMD built a CPU at

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the same process node as Intel and crammed that much more logic into it

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could we see a legitimate Leap Forward in CPU performance the likes of which we

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haven't seen in four or five years uh

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that would be nice it'd be nice if there were more value delivered byd right

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question you know I think the reality is that if you look at the way that the the

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chip manufacturing stuff works none of what you said is wrong but if you look

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at like Intel's margins on their financial reports it's like 62% or some

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crazy number um AMD's cost structure

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doesn't have to be as awesome as intels for them to be very profitable they can

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be a node or two behind and they can have a a relatively larger chip that

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they're manufacturing but if if it costs them $60 to make a chip and they sell it

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for $200 and it costs Intel $40 to make the same chip they sell for 200 it's

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still not bad business to be in yeah and the thing is that the and and that goes

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up too right with optons and things like that it can be thousands of dollars

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right and I remember one time I was talking with quizzing a guy with AMD about this about you know oh but you're

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behind on process node and you know those are really big chips and and one

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time they're taking two optons and putting them in the same socket um on a

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on a one substrate you know and I said

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that's you know that's really costly isn't and he said yes maybe but every

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one of those opter Rons that we sell for $1,200 is good business for AMD yeah and

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so I think the key for AMD is to be able to offer a product that is a credible

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alternative to Intel that has attractive performance and power consumption um and

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they don't have to win to be uh winning

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people's business and making money hasn't been doing exactly the new

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go ahead AMD hasn't been doing exactly amazing with those profit margins there

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not even that long ago they were doing seriously not great and then with the

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new console launch things have been turning up a little bit so I I do agree

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with you that is probably true but it it couldn't help getting onto a lower node

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and having more you mean it couldn't hurt couldn't couldn't hurt there we go

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couldn't possibly help them right oh it's always good if you can get to a new

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process node and one thing that thatd kind of had to take a hit when they made

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their last transition because they went to from a 32 nanometer process node

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designed for CPUs on on the the the last

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generation so when they brought out cavar they went to a 28 nanometer

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process node it's really more tuned for low power high density GPU type

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applications and as a result they got less clock speed on the CPU portion of

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their Apu than they had in the prior generation and really what you want is

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you want a processed Tech that will give you all the benefits uh that you can get

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out of better process Tech including faster switching speed so you can get to

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higher clocks and I think with Samsung

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going to 14 nmet and going to finfets or

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uh you know Intel calls them trigate transistors that there's a good

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possibility that that there could be a nice increase in switching speed uh at

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higher power levels um which could translate into performance as well but

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honestly I think architecture is their biggest need right now I don't think

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it's process Tech uh process Tech is always something you have to be on top

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of but there are multiple options different foundaries they can go to and

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they're they're exercising that by going to Samsung but what they need is is a

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good architecture to go along with it well I hope we see that I would I

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would love to see someone build a balls to thewall CPU

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again the 5960x isn't enough for you or

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okay the 5960x is pretty cool

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okay yes the 596x is pretty see two of them fighting it out though right I mean

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yes I'd like to see it not $1,000 there yeah yeah right right You' like to see

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that on like the consumer platform and have something even more badass on the

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Enthusiast platform as well right well like Intel did its uh the the Ed RAM

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external cache L4 cash on some chips

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that it sells and it uses it's faster for graphics that way but you can't buy

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that in a desktop chip that's socketed you know that's the type of thing that

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that it's not a huge performance win on the desktop but it's really cool and

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Intel doesn't bring it to the desktop because they don't have any competition

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there that's the type of thing that gets pulled into the desktop because it's

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cool technology and and if they're fighting it out with the strong

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competitor yeah and I mean I love Intel and NVIDIA as much as anyone but I think

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that we've seen enough times throughout history even as long as I've paying

00:18:29.120 --> 00:18:35.640
attention to this stuff they're pretty content to sit and wait for AMD to make

00:18:33.000 --> 00:18:39.760
a move before they drop price or before they release something more competitive

00:18:37.280 --> 00:18:44.200
or whatever the case may be yeah yeah well like like Sandy Bridge Ivy Bridge

00:18:41.960 --> 00:18:48.400
has well you know they for like a year after they were released they kept they

00:18:46.159 --> 00:18:53.559
kept the exact same price and it used to be like every three months you got a

00:18:50.200 --> 00:18:55.679
price cut yep yeah that was cool there

00:18:53.559 --> 00:19:00.080
was always something to talk about you know yeah it's it's a lot more exciting

00:18:58.159 --> 00:19:05.520
when there's two competitors instead of one pricing has been a little bit nuts

00:19:01.919 --> 00:19:08.679
since uh Maxwell dropped I've seen 780

00:19:05.520 --> 00:19:10.159
Ti like 100 or $200 below 980s just

00:19:08.679 --> 00:19:14.840
because so many people are glomming on 980s stuff like that speaking of people

00:19:12.400 --> 00:19:21.080
glomming on to 980s I had a chat with someone at a at an un

00:19:17.559 --> 00:19:24.360
undisclosed uh retailer and they they

00:19:21.080 --> 00:19:25.960
let me know that the gtx970 stricks the

00:19:24.360 --> 00:19:35.880
ASUS card you reviewed that one right Scott yeah yeah they um so they have 300

00:19:31.159 --> 00:19:37.440
back orders on that one skew wow yeah

00:19:35.880 --> 00:19:43.919
they were telling me they've never seen anything like this since 8800 GT

00:19:41.000 --> 00:19:47.840
wow I believe it I mean it makes sense we haven't had this type of combination

00:19:45.840 --> 00:19:52.200
of there's a lot more performance at a really nice price for a long time yeah

00:19:50.200 --> 00:19:56.840
you know what's funny is again undisclosed not going to say who it was

00:19:54.039 --> 00:20:01.240
but I talked to someone at NVIDIA prior to the launch when I was when I was

00:19:58.799 --> 00:20:05.679
having the prices given to me so that I could so I could make my video um very

00:20:03.919 --> 00:20:09.640
last minute that whole thing but it that's neither here nor there so they

00:20:07.480 --> 00:20:15.360
they told me the prices and I kind of went wow well gtx970 is the disruptive

00:20:12.840 --> 00:20:19.120
one and he's kind of like what do you mean the 980 is going to have the

00:20:17.120 --> 00:20:24.679
performance crown and I kind of went well yeah but the 970 is only cut down

00:20:21.480 --> 00:20:27.000
by what 20% and it's going to overclock

00:20:24.679 --> 00:20:32.080
like a bat out of hell yeah and it's like almost $200 cheaper what a

00:20:29.720 --> 00:20:35.880
fantastic card and he kind of goes oh yeah that makes a lot of sense I guess

00:20:33.280 --> 00:20:40.240
you mean disruptive in that way oh my goodness yeah it's amazing

00:20:38.600 --> 00:20:45.000
they focus on the performance CR at these companies a lot and that's not

00:20:42.360 --> 00:20:50.960
always what people want to buy you know that because you can get certain

00:20:48.159 --> 00:20:55.000
cars that are better than 980 but 980 is at a really good price for what it is so

00:20:53.200 --> 00:20:59.320
people are buying it and then 970s at an even better price for what it is so more

00:20:57.159 --> 00:21:06.240
people are buying that it's pretty interesting yeah so go

00:21:03.240 --> 00:21:07.159
ahead everyone's way too polite I know

00:21:06.240 --> 00:21:13.400
okay I'm just going to talk over everyone from now on okay so 980 and 970

00:21:11.000 --> 00:21:18.640
um you had uncovered a little while ago we thought that the only real difference

00:21:15.200 --> 00:21:22.640
between 980 and 970 was how many how

00:21:18.640 --> 00:21:24.559
many SMS that they had but you had found

00:21:22.640 --> 00:21:29.919
a bit of a disparity in their performance that you couldn't really

00:21:25.760 --> 00:21:32.600
explain up till now so can you maybe

00:21:29.919 --> 00:21:37.000
talk about what people should choose for 4K gaming because I've gotten a lot of

00:21:34.919 --> 00:21:41.640
questions about this in the comments on our 980 performance overview in PMS on

00:21:39.840 --> 00:21:47.799
the Forum in Threads I've seen posted on the Forum is 970 okay for

00:21:45.200 --> 00:21:54.520
4K you know that's a tough question because um is 980 okay for 4K I was even

00:21:51.720 --> 00:21:57.240
gonna say is is is is it okay for 4K is kind of an interesting question right

00:21:55.600 --> 00:22:01.120
now in general I mean I kind of think you want to

00:21:59.120 --> 00:22:06.159
it for for running everything like the the high-end games that we use for

00:22:02.600 --> 00:22:08.120
testing at high quality settings one of

00:22:06.159 --> 00:22:13.480
anything that's out there right now isn't entirely adequate um you can play

00:22:11.960 --> 00:22:20.440
some games and you can tweak things to where a 970 or a 980 will run in 4k but

00:22:16.880 --> 00:22:23.120
it's not always a great experience um so

00:22:20.440 --> 00:22:26.760
that's it's weird because there is this this architectural difference that we

00:22:25.000 --> 00:22:32.440
didn't understand before between the 970 and the 980 in that uh the 980 has both

00:22:30.039 --> 00:22:37.360
of them have the same number of RS which determines pixel throughput and that's

00:22:34.320 --> 00:22:41.279
really important for 4K because you've

00:22:37.360 --> 00:22:43.360
got a lot of pixels but uh it turns out

00:22:41.279 --> 00:22:47.600
that when you cut the number of SMS like they do on the 970 you actually lower

00:22:46.159 --> 00:22:51.919
the pixel throughput of the card effectively because the SMS help

00:22:49.640 --> 00:22:56.919
determine the the the pixel throughput in a way that we didn't understand until

00:22:54.760 --> 00:23:01.039
after our 980 review when a fellow reviewer Damian at hardware. frr

00:22:59.000 --> 00:23:05.480
sent me a little note and said hey see that Benchmark you result you got where

00:23:02.640 --> 00:23:08.279
it was a lot lower fill rate on the 970 yeah here's the explanation I did a

00:23:06.960 --> 00:23:13.960
little post about it but it's totally his work he figured out uh by asking

00:23:10.919 --> 00:23:17.039
very specific questions of NVIDIA you

00:23:13.960 --> 00:23:20.720
know did why there was actually less

00:23:17.039 --> 00:23:22.799
capacity for Pixel throughput on the 970

00:23:20.720 --> 00:23:28.120
um that said you I've been playing around with overclocking 980s and 970s a

00:23:25.440 --> 00:23:33.919
little bit and you know you can get back a lot of what you lose by taking SMS

00:23:30.640 --> 00:23:36.200
Away by turning up clock speeds and what

00:23:33.919 --> 00:23:43.960
else I've got right over here is a 4K monitor from Acer that is gsync capable

00:23:40.520 --> 00:23:45.679
and I'm finding out that even though in

00:23:43.960 --> 00:23:51.000
a lot of cases frame ratees seem a little bit marginal on a 970 or a 980

00:23:49.120 --> 00:23:55.679
with a single card that when you have gsync and you're in those situations

00:23:53.120 --> 00:24:00.159
where it's like you know 40 some FPS sometimes that's good enough when

00:23:58.600 --> 00:24:06.919
the monitor is updating right when a frame was ready so I'll tell you this I

00:24:02.960 --> 00:24:10.880
actually did my I my Acer 4K

00:24:06.919 --> 00:24:13.640
gsync video really differently from how

00:24:10.880 --> 00:24:18.720
I've typically looked at either monitors or video cards from a performance

00:24:15.720 --> 00:24:20.760
perspective before I did it no numbers

00:24:18.720 --> 00:24:25.840
because we lacked the high-speed camera equipment that we would need to properly

00:24:23.720 --> 00:24:33.000
quantify g-sync in a way that would be meaningful to viewers and fcats not

00:24:29.840 --> 00:24:34.520
working for it and basically the the

00:24:33.000 --> 00:24:38.399
thing about g-sync is it's more of a it's more of a feel than a number yeah

00:24:36.799 --> 00:24:44.440
right now in terms of the equipment that we have to test it on our side anyway so

00:24:41.279 --> 00:24:47.200
the way I did it was instead of having

00:24:44.440 --> 00:24:52.399
fraps on and tuning my game settings so that it was running at solid FPS and I

00:24:49.960 --> 00:24:58.799
knew that I sat down and I cranked the detail on my games without any FPS

00:24:55.279 --> 00:25:01.480
counter and then I reduced it until felt

00:24:58.799 --> 00:25:05.440
like I was playing at 60fps smooth then I all tabbed out fired up fraps and had

00:25:03.760 --> 00:25:10.679
to look at my frame rates and I discovered the exact same thing that you

00:25:06.960 --> 00:25:14.000
did I was getting dips down to 42 43 and

00:25:10.679 --> 00:25:17.360
that felt butter smooth to me yeah now

00:25:14.000 --> 00:25:19.520
and gsync is great for that so I I don't

00:25:17.360 --> 00:25:23.600
know that's that's kind of a tough decision in terms of pricing because

00:25:21.279 --> 00:25:27.600
those 4K gsync monitors are not cheap right yeah there's well there's one

00:25:25.360 --> 00:25:31.279
model So speaking of two competitors being uh better better for excitement

00:25:29.480 --> 00:25:37.200
and pricing yeah yeah Acer's the only show in town

00:25:35.279 --> 00:25:41.480
yeah I think ASUS is supposed to have a 4k g-sync monitor out before the end of

00:25:39.120 --> 00:25:47.520
the year though okay so sometime in the next three months so we'll see but even

00:25:45.360 --> 00:25:51.279
even not 4K gsync monitors can be extremely expensive still yep we do need

00:25:49.559 --> 00:25:55.679
to see a little bit more Market flooding until it's going to be consumable for a

00:25:53.600 --> 00:25:59.200
lot of different people okay so Scott sorry go ahead well GNC's awesome

00:25:57.520 --> 00:26:05.640
technology but it's not a good deal right now so speaking of not a good deal

00:26:02.919 --> 00:26:10.919
right now it's it's kind of it's there's so much confusion right now about AMD's

00:26:08.360 --> 00:26:15.039
project free sync yeah maybe you can clarify this because honestly I've even

00:26:13.039 --> 00:26:19.320
found myself getting a little bit lost in the misinformation about it so

00:26:17.000 --> 00:26:23.480
there's a lot of people saying okay it's built into DisplayPort now we're just

00:26:21.760 --> 00:26:27.600
going to see it built into the Next Generation scalers and we're going to

00:26:25.480 --> 00:26:30.840
have support for freyn across the board then there's other information out there

00:26:29.240 --> 00:26:34.799
some of which is coming from AMD themselves saying well actually hold on

00:26:32.320 --> 00:26:39.080
a second it's only a small subset of our graphics cards that are actually going

00:26:36.159 --> 00:26:43.279
to support the tech and it's not necessarily just going to be part of

00:26:40.600 --> 00:26:46.840
DisplayPort and NVIDIA is coming out saying yeah we're not going to support

00:26:44.799 --> 00:26:52.760
it it's not just part of DisplayPort what the hell is free

00:26:48.960 --> 00:26:55.279
sync well freesync is AMD's Project to

00:26:52.760 --> 00:26:58.760
create a variable refresh Monitor and there's a vasis spec called adaptive

00:26:57.720 --> 00:27:04.120
sync adaptive Dash sync I think that is

00:27:02.159 --> 00:27:10.000
something that AMD kind of shephered through as an extension to DisplayPort

00:27:06.640 --> 00:27:11.720
in order to enable project free sync um

00:27:10.000 --> 00:27:17.880
it's not I don't think it's a mandatory part of the spec but it's an extension

00:27:14.760 --> 00:27:19.399
it may be mandatory eventually but but

00:27:17.880 --> 00:27:24.440
that doesn't mean that a monitor needs to have all of the capabilities to

00:27:21.159 --> 00:27:27.399
support variable refresh andd is working

00:27:24.440 --> 00:27:34.480
with monitor makers and with the scaler manufacturer

00:27:29.039 --> 00:27:36.760
to enable a variable refresh capable set

00:27:34.480 --> 00:27:43.919
of Hardware set of displays multiple products um from different companies and

00:27:40.919 --> 00:27:47.120
what we really haven't seen yet is a

00:27:43.919 --> 00:27:50.840
functioning prototype or anything like

00:27:47.120 --> 00:27:52.640
that so if you remember gsync was demoed

00:27:50.840 --> 00:27:59.840
in like September 2013 we I think we met and talked at

00:27:55.679 --> 00:28:02.039
that uh event right yeah and then NVIDIA

00:27:59.840 --> 00:28:06.880
said oh it'll be out in like March and then summer then fall and it didn't come

00:28:04.679 --> 00:28:12.240
out till really the the end of summer or fall yeah I mean I had plans with NVIDIA

00:28:09.720 --> 00:28:19.000
to potentially do like uh like a wine tasting style event in q1 where they

00:28:16.720 --> 00:28:22.320
wanted monitors to be available and we were going to have members of our

00:28:20.360 --> 00:28:25.120
community come and do like a blind taste test type thing that was going to be

00:28:23.840 --> 00:28:31.799
cool and that was going to be like a super cool idea and then

00:28:29.159 --> 00:28:36.840
just didn't really work yeah nothing ever happened because there was

00:28:33.640 --> 00:28:39.120
nothing yeah so I think I think the

00:28:36.840 --> 00:28:44.320
first step or probably the next step I hope is that we get to see a working

00:28:41.600 --> 00:28:48.799
prototype um but AMD is saying that those are on the way and then they're

00:28:45.720 --> 00:28:54.039
saying early next year for the first

00:28:48.799 --> 00:28:56.679
products and you know these are product

00:28:54.039 --> 00:29:00.360
schedules that's that's the best case I think when you hear that but could

00:28:58.360 --> 00:29:05.320
happen right and you know the other question is how much cost will it add to

00:29:03.159 --> 00:29:09.679
a monitor to support this feature and do it correctly yeah and you know the path

00:29:07.799 --> 00:29:13.880
that NVIDIA has taken they developed their own scaler completely from scratch

00:29:12.279 --> 00:29:20.440
as far as I can tell instead of working with the scaler manufacturer AMD is much

00:29:17.240 --> 00:29:22.200
more collaborative here um so presumably

00:29:20.440 --> 00:29:26.000
you know those scaler guys already have built all the things that you find in a

00:29:24.080 --> 00:29:31.120
normal monitor scaler and they only have to add variable refresh capability

00:29:28.600 --> 00:29:35.600
right presumably they might be able to do things uh you know reasonably well

00:29:34.080 --> 00:29:39.440
reasonably quickly without too much trouble the other thing is NVIDIA's

00:29:37.640 --> 00:29:45.399
Hardware is built off of What's called the fpga field programmable Gat array

00:29:42.640 --> 00:29:48.559
which is uh an expensive chip that you can program to do almost anything and

00:29:47.440 --> 00:29:54.519
that's usually what you use in development but then you make a custom

00:29:50.559 --> 00:29:57.679
chip or an Asic that actually like does

00:29:54.519 --> 00:30:00.240
this function and it's much lower cost

00:29:57.679 --> 00:30:04.720
and I think that probably the products that come to Market from the scaler

00:30:02.120 --> 00:30:09.080
manufacturers uh are I don't know for sure but I'd expect them to be A6 and if

00:30:07.039 --> 00:30:13.120
they're not in in the first generation eventually they should be because I

00:30:11.000 --> 00:30:19.559
think what everybody wants is for the cost premium to go down happen because

00:30:17.840 --> 00:30:23.919
of more competition it needs to happen because they use cheaper hardware and it

00:30:21.559 --> 00:30:29.960
needs to happen because there are more suppliers 50 bucks is is in my mind for

00:30:27.360 --> 00:30:29.960
a 24

00:30:36.039 --> 00:30:41.840
to buy a monitor without some kind of adaptive refresh rate and I think people

00:30:39.880 --> 00:30:45.480
aren't going to mind waiting for free sync to come in because it's not 50

00:30:43.559 --> 00:30:48.000
bucks right now so it is a very hard decision to make and a lot of people are

00:30:46.559 --> 00:30:51.760
going to keep monitors for a very long time so making a monitor decision

00:30:49.679 --> 00:30:55.799
sometimes isn't that oh sweet a new graphic card came out let me upgrade

00:30:53.600 --> 00:30:58.919
it's more of a okay it's been 6 years seven years maybe I should reset all my

00:30:57.519 --> 00:31:04.639
monitors yes and you know I think what you want

00:31:01.279 --> 00:31:05.679
to see is for AMD to succeed and for

00:31:04.639 --> 00:31:10.799
their stuff to get out there in the market and then at some point for this

00:31:09.000 --> 00:31:14.720
to become ubiquitous and what I mean by that is NVIDIA has to cave and say okay

00:31:12.919 --> 00:31:19.279
we're going to support it if you buy this monitor you can you can do adaptive

00:31:16.960 --> 00:31:23.840
refresh with the radon only GeForce but I don't think NVIDIA has any interest in

00:31:21.440 --> 00:31:27.960
making that easy for AMD so they're going to wait and and take advantage of

00:31:26.159 --> 00:31:32.159
the fact that they're first uh because because they they built gsync and they

00:31:30.440 --> 00:31:35.080
they did it first and they invested and they're going to wait and see and the

00:31:33.440 --> 00:31:40.159
other thing that that I'm not really clear on is uh if you look at that

00:31:37.200 --> 00:31:45.600
g-sync module that the NVIDIA built it has a bunch of RAM on it as well as an

00:31:41.880 --> 00:31:48.320
fpga yeah it has a and I think it's a

00:31:45.600 --> 00:31:53.240
like a lookaside buffer and they need it every once in a while when they don't

00:31:49.639 --> 00:31:54.880
get another frame from the uh the GPU in

00:31:53.240 --> 00:31:58.639
time they they've got to refresh the display because it's time um so they

00:31:57.320 --> 00:32:03.240
have to store a frame in the buffer and I don't know

00:32:01.600 --> 00:32:07.279
whether AMD will be able to come up with an approach where that memory is not

00:32:05.279 --> 00:32:12.480
required but the same functionality is available right um it might be because

00:32:10.880 --> 00:32:17.600
they did they did show variable Refresh on a laptop display which is a little

00:32:14.000 --> 00:32:20.279
bit of a different type of of setup um

00:32:17.600 --> 00:32:25.159
at CES in the little demo they showed me but um whether or not they can pull that

00:32:22.960 --> 00:32:29.840
off is going to determine the cost too and and I I'm still waiting to hear

00:32:27.159 --> 00:32:29.840
details

00:32:30.360 --> 00:32:34.440
so do you think NVIDIA went with such an expensive solution just because they

00:32:33.519 --> 00:32:39.760
were in a hurry yeah definitely and and in fact if

00:32:38.200 --> 00:32:44.200
I would talk to Tom Peterson who's the engineer in NVIDIA who sort of

00:32:41.600 --> 00:32:48.600
spearheaded gsync and he said something interesting to me between the the time

00:32:46.840 --> 00:32:52.159
in in March or so when they were supposed to launch g-sync and and the

00:32:50.840 --> 00:32:56.519
time in the summer when it was really imminent I I spoke with him and he said

00:32:54.840 --> 00:33:00.679
um you know we really had some problems we had to work out which is why we had

00:32:57.840 --> 00:33:05.159
had the delay and thank goodness it was an fpga because they had to change the

00:33:03.840 --> 00:33:11.919
way that it worked fundamentally and if it had been a custom chip they would have had to build another spin on the

00:33:08.480 --> 00:33:13.039
chip right I think it also like of

00:33:11.919 --> 00:33:19.760
course they wanted to hurry but I think it also comes into NVIDIA seems to like doing things by themselves in a fairly

00:33:17.279 --> 00:33:25.039
lock down ecosystem and AMD is that whole let's all come together and help

00:33:22.320 --> 00:33:29.080
everyone and we'll do it as one big unit and those are two extremely different

00:33:26.639 --> 00:33:33.240
styles and I I ful understand the style that NVIDIA went with because it's their

00:33:30.960 --> 00:33:37.679
style makes sense yeah they do tend to do that don't they I was

00:33:35.639 --> 00:33:42.360
actually they also tend to make money every quarter

00:33:39.639 --> 00:33:47.080
yeah you know it's hard to it's hard to I I want openness I prefer openness and

00:33:45.120 --> 00:33:50.240
I like sometimes like AMD's approach of we're a hardware maker and we're not a

00:33:48.639 --> 00:33:56.000
software maker and we're going to be open but they're not invest they didn't

00:33:53.360 --> 00:33:58.480
come up with gsync they didn't they're they're just sort of doing the me too

00:33:57.240 --> 00:34:03.159
thing with free Nidia give them credit they invested in

00:34:01.039 --> 00:34:07.039
this and they want to get money back for it and and I I understand that I'm

00:34:04.919 --> 00:34:11.280
sympathetic to to that even though I think ultimately I hope everybody in

00:34:09.159 --> 00:34:14.960
Industry wants the final destination for this to be that you can plug any monitor

00:34:13.280 --> 00:34:19.599
into any graphics card and get variable refresh that is exactly what we want I

00:34:17.679 --> 00:34:24.399
mean um actually I should clarify something last week on the show speaking

00:34:21.879 --> 00:34:28.280
of NVIDIA being closed I did a super pissed off rant for about 5 minutes

00:34:26.879 --> 00:34:33.839
about how the controller only works on GeForce PCS

00:34:31.800 --> 00:34:40.359
right now did you know about this Scott yeah you know I iix saw that they're

00:34:36.599 --> 00:34:43.040
fixing it I I got I got an email at the

00:34:40.359 --> 00:34:49.320
end of the show last week yeah yo dog sorry I was I was driving I couldn't

00:34:46.079 --> 00:34:52.599
reply we're fixing it it's coming it'll

00:34:49.320 --> 00:34:55.639
work on any PC please stop talking about

00:34:52.599 --> 00:34:55.639
please stop

00:34:55.960 --> 00:35:01.440
talking but you know you got to call them out on stuff like that because you

00:34:59.680 --> 00:35:05.920
don't want the standard to become that we're all just kind of in our different

00:35:03.440 --> 00:35:11.160
silos and GeForce is its own thing and Radeon is its own thing can you imagine

00:35:08.119 --> 00:35:12.880
a controller that only worked on PCS

00:35:11.160 --> 00:35:17.680
with a certain brand of graphics cards I mean we' we' we'd be we'd be never mind

00:35:15.680 --> 00:35:21.880
consoles going away and converging with PCS PCS would be converging into

00:35:19.800 --> 00:35:29.200
consoles at that point new Intel compatible keyboards oh no oh no that

00:35:27.240 --> 00:35:33.560
would bead that's terrifying yeah but you know if

00:35:31.920 --> 00:35:41.280
it happened to one thing it would leak into all the things I know it's

00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:43.040
horrible with the Samsung plant sorry

00:35:41.280 --> 00:35:46.320
the Sam well not Samsung plant but Samsung starting AMD development I guess

00:35:45.040 --> 00:35:50.319
we did yeah we kind of talked about that already why don't we just um hey Scott

00:35:48.440 --> 00:35:56.119
which of our topics under the guest topics are you are you most down to talk

00:35:53.400 --> 00:35:59.319
about do you remember did you leave look I am I am easy whatever you guys guys

00:35:57.800 --> 00:36:03.200
want to talk about if you want to talk more Graphics if you want to talk any of

00:36:01.280 --> 00:36:08.319
the other stuff out there then I'm happy to do it I want to talk about that

00:36:05.000 --> 00:36:10.560
17,000 Mac botnet that got

00:36:08.319 --> 00:36:16.040
discovered oh wait that's impossible Macs don't get viruses no no no surely

00:36:13.920 --> 00:36:20.400
Steve Jobs said they don't get viruses so therefore this isn't a virus they're

00:36:18.160 --> 00:36:24.839
just all trying to be friends right Max are more it's a more friendly operating

00:36:22.160 --> 00:36:28.520
system this is the new Social Network it's joining a botn net you're being

00:36:26.960 --> 00:36:33.839
social with other computers and trying to help everyone to one goal just might

00:36:31.000 --> 00:36:37.380
not necessarily be your goal or really anyone who's not sort of the one dude

00:36:36.599 --> 00:36:42.880
who set it up don't worry about it it's cool it's

00:36:41.480 --> 00:36:47.000
not a virus so okay do you want to do a quick

00:36:45.680 --> 00:36:52.000
want to do a quick rundown of what the heck happened here so this was a post from gizmodo.com I'm just going to check

00:36:50.079 --> 00:36:55.280
this up on my screen while Luke gives us a rundown and then we'll we'll move into

00:36:53.880 --> 00:37:00.440
the topic so the the back door is called mac. backd door. iorm because it has to

00:36:58.280 --> 00:37:06.280
be stealthy and use back door in the name awesome um essentially they have

00:37:03.480 --> 00:37:09.839
gained access to Max and they use Reddit to connect them all together so

00:37:07.680 --> 00:37:14.400
basically when the Mac calls out it goes onto Reddit and finds a post which links

00:37:12.000 --> 00:37:19.599
it to a server on under a Minecraft subreddit which is hilarious and then

00:37:16.720 --> 00:37:24.000
they all link together through that so this guy used a worm to grab all these

00:37:22.440 --> 00:37:27.520
botnet computers and have them link all together through reddit's Minecraft

00:37:25.920 --> 00:37:31.200
Community okay so maybe you can explain exp what's the problem with a botn net

00:37:29.760 --> 00:37:36.480
what exactly is a botn net and what does it mean to use botn nets for a lot of

00:37:33.240 --> 00:37:38.319
different things um a lot of the laws

00:37:36.480 --> 00:37:42.119
around like you can't sue someone for their computer necessarily doing

00:37:40.040 --> 00:37:45.200
something happens because of botn Nets so you can use a botn net to essentially

00:37:43.800 --> 00:37:49.560
a lot of a lot of people refer them to them as zombies as well you can utilize

00:37:47.440 --> 00:37:53.359
all these computers to do things for you it's like having a gigantic external

00:37:51.160 --> 00:38:00.920
cluster so you can use these to like dos a Target or just do do other things uh

00:37:58.760 --> 00:38:04.920
like essentially look like users so if you want to get a whole bunch of hits on

00:38:02.200 --> 00:38:10.520
something that's a less aggressive way to use a botet um do we actually have

00:38:08.560 --> 00:38:16.800
4,400 viewers who knows maybe we have one who

00:38:14.640 --> 00:38:20.880
owns a lot of iMac or doesn't own a lot of IM and

00:38:18.720 --> 00:38:24.880
Scott no he's not viewing he's just looking through our video conferencing

00:38:22.599 --> 00:38:28.520
software right so he wouldn't even count yeah sorry Scott you don't count as a

00:38:26.400 --> 00:38:32.760
viewer you can use them for large variants of things but a lot of times

00:38:30.319 --> 00:38:36.720
it's just Doss dos that kind of stuff bringing down websites being a

00:38:34.680 --> 00:38:41.160
jerk in this case though I wonder if he's actually using it to look like

00:38:39.000 --> 00:38:45.800
users on Minecraft servers I haven't read into it into that much but it would

00:38:43.520 --> 00:38:48.520
be pretty funny actually because if you can make your Minecraft server look

00:38:47.079 --> 00:38:52.440
popular and then get people to come to it and then actually do real

00:38:50.880 --> 00:39:00.760
microtransactions then you might make some money so Scott is Apple

00:38:56.040 --> 00:39:03.920
imploding uh there's a lot of bad PR a

00:39:00.760 --> 00:39:06.760
lot yeah you know it is weird like the

00:39:03.920 --> 00:39:10.480
the bingate stuff that just was one of those Tech stories that you could see it

00:39:08.440 --> 00:39:17.720
taking on a life of its own like yeah the iPhone 6 had happened it was a big

00:39:13.440 --> 00:39:19.200
deal and then there wasn't another story

00:39:17.720 --> 00:39:22.839
and so that one kind of came out on the weekend and it was like the news it hit

00:39:20.839 --> 00:39:27.079
the news cycle perfectly everyone wanted more iPhone news and that was the more

00:39:25.040 --> 00:39:31.800
iPhone news I don't know did you watch the the Bin videos because I got up that

00:39:30.200 --> 00:39:35.640
morning and I went and I watched one of those and I watched this guy's thumbs

00:39:33.599 --> 00:39:40.960
just strain against this phone to bend it and I thought that I'm not worried

00:39:37.720 --> 00:39:43.280
about that at all like it just it's way

00:39:40.960 --> 00:39:47.000
too much force for me to ever care you know I'm not gonna do that accidentally

00:39:45.359 --> 00:39:52.480
well you need to gain about a 100 pounds then come on go to the

00:39:48.520 --> 00:39:54.560
gym crank up those pecs or something but

00:39:52.480 --> 00:40:00.400
but I but it didn't matter because that story filled a void right and and it was

00:39:57.800 --> 00:40:05.079
like it was everybody who's like a a Samsung fan like loved it it didn't

00:40:02.640 --> 00:40:08.920
matter that it was true it just was there right but honestly I don't think

00:40:07.160 --> 00:40:13.920
that that story happens and gets that big if it isn't for the fact that

00:40:12.040 --> 00:40:18.640
everybody in the media who was reporting on that making it a big deal knows that

00:40:16.640 --> 00:40:23.560
when they report on Apple there's a lot of response yeah right negative or

00:40:22.000 --> 00:40:27.599
positive a lot of people will chime in no matter what it is Apple's in trouble

00:40:26.079 --> 00:40:31.960
when people don't care about what they do and they're a long way from that

00:40:29.240 --> 00:40:35.839
place right now yeah fair enough I mean there's been other bad news too so there

00:40:33.880 --> 00:40:40.520
was the report that came out that Apple reportedly punished a German magazine

00:40:37.960 --> 00:40:46.040
for doing an iPhone 6 Ben test saying they would no longer be invited to any

00:40:42.359 --> 00:40:49.240
of their events and they were basically

00:40:46.040 --> 00:40:52.920
cut off I mean how do you how do you

00:40:49.240 --> 00:40:55.800
feel as an objective journalist in the

00:40:52.920 --> 00:40:59.680
IT industry about that kind of behavior from a manufacturer because

00:40:58.200 --> 00:41:05.160
well I want the d which we'll talk about later but um I so so I don't necessarily

00:41:03.200 --> 00:41:11.720
care about like a like a paper style screen um or not but I do want the round

00:41:09.319 --> 00:41:15.680
shape of a watch and that being said Pebble prices are dropping so they're

00:41:14.400 --> 00:41:20.440
reducing their price on the standard Pebble which is not what lonus has anymore you have the Pebble Steel I

00:41:18.599 --> 00:41:24.240
believe that's right um they're reducing the price on the standard Pebble to

00:41:21.800 --> 00:41:28.960
around 90 USD this is only in the states as far as I know um to 90 USD and

00:41:27.720 --> 00:41:33.359
they're bringing the prices down on their steel to 199 USD it's a pretty big

00:41:32.040 --> 00:41:39.720
difference do you think it's worth it from the standard to the steel you know

00:41:35.640 --> 00:41:41.119
what I I it depends on it depends on

00:41:39.720 --> 00:41:45.720
what you want out of your watch if you just want the functionality the

00:41:42.880 --> 00:41:51.359
functionality of them is literally exactly the same they actually have the

00:41:48.880 --> 00:41:56.280
same Hardware in them I mean they didn't even bother to upgrade the battery on

00:41:53.880 --> 00:41:59.240
the steel which in my mind is is a little bit frustrating

00:42:05.040 --> 00:42:11.640
functionality the steel is all about the look so if you wear your watch as a

00:42:09.720 --> 00:42:14.560
purely functional piece because you would like to know what time it is and

00:42:12.960 --> 00:42:20.720
read text messages and all those other cool Pebble apps get a regular Pebble

00:42:17.319 --> 00:42:22.200
right 99 bucks if your watch is part of

00:42:20.720 --> 00:42:27.240
Amazon extension hopefully they sell on Amazon if your watch is part of the look

00:42:25.440 --> 00:42:30.960
of you that that you're trying to achieve if it's a fashion statement then

00:42:28.839 --> 00:42:37.400
maybe the steel in my opinion the steel is a great value I mean you can easily

00:42:33.800 --> 00:42:39.480
spend $200 on a watch spend 5 10 15

00:42:37.400 --> 00:42:42.640
times that on a watch on watches are insane that doesn't have that

00:42:41.200 --> 00:42:48.839
functionality there I think that's what the steal is is it's a great marriage of

00:42:45.599 --> 00:42:50.400
functionality and a least a little bit

00:42:48.839 --> 00:42:54.880
of 2000 M underwater sorry what some of those

00:42:53.119 --> 00:42:58.559
super high-end watches are like oh yeah but it'll work 2,000 M underwater and

00:42:56.720 --> 00:43:04.079
I'm like wow cool for when I'm in a submarine next what for when I'm

00:43:01.480 --> 00:43:06.680
completely underwater and dead and out of

00:43:05.000 --> 00:43:12.000
oxygen awesome so Swift Tech launches their

00:43:08.920 --> 00:43:14.040
240x H 240x I believe this was fairly

00:43:12.000 --> 00:43:18.680
stealthy um I saw a bunch of the comments on the Forum Thread about this

00:43:16.000 --> 00:43:23.000
posted by Whirlwind oh I should jump up so the new patch from Moto 360 was

00:43:20.920 --> 00:43:26.119
posted on the Forum by Ren the pebble price drops was posted on the Forum by

00:43:24.839 --> 00:43:30.359
Raph benan there's two A's there I don't know

00:43:28.480 --> 00:43:37.400
how to properly do that other than a so he wins the literally entire world

00:43:34.280 --> 00:43:39.119
yeah win the world the whole thing

00:43:37.400 --> 00:43:42.839
everything that you can possibly win is won by him anyways uh I believe it was

00:43:41.599 --> 00:43:47.160
fairly stealthy because a whole bunch of posters on the Forum were talking about

00:43:45.280 --> 00:43:51.960
how they were actually looking to buy a 240x and then just randomly saw on

00:43:49.520 --> 00:43:55.200
swiftex website that there was a uh sorry they were looking to buy a 220x

00:43:54.040 --> 00:43:59.960
and then they saw on the website that there was a 240x uh there I don't think

00:43:57.640 --> 00:44:04.400
there's any like massive changes other than the fact that is a dual 140 mm

00:44:02.720 --> 00:44:09.760
copper radiator other than that I believe it's the same type of idea so

00:44:06.559 --> 00:44:11.319
they have a full pump a full radiator uh

00:44:09.760 --> 00:44:16.400
Reservoir attached to the radiator and then a full standard water block so I

00:44:15.040 --> 00:44:22.200
think this is essentially as close as you can get to standard water cooling

00:44:19.440 --> 00:44:26.720
with an AO style unit out of anything would you agree with that probably yeah

00:44:24.920 --> 00:44:31.079
pretty much I think it's cool how they hide the pump up behind the flow rate

00:44:29.119 --> 00:44:35.200
monitor in the top which makes it look extremely compact but then still uses

00:44:33.000 --> 00:44:39.040
fulls siize components which is awesome something that I appreciate a lot I

00:44:36.599 --> 00:44:42.599
don't see a lot of aios failing but it's still nice to know that I have this

00:44:40.599 --> 00:44:50.520
full-size pump which I could honestly swap out if I really needed to um I like

00:44:46.280 --> 00:44:54.400
I like aios that are after the concept

00:44:50.520 --> 00:44:56.680
of being more like an actual liquid

00:44:54.400 --> 00:45:01.559
cooling setup I think that's I think that's a great direction for them to go

00:44:58.480 --> 00:45:04.640
Swift Tech's done an okay job of making

00:45:01.559 --> 00:45:06.880
their aios drop in I think that their

00:45:04.640 --> 00:45:11.200
last generation one actually did a better job of this of making it drop in

00:45:09.480 --> 00:45:15.599
because it did have the pump integrated with the CPU block so you could Mount

00:45:13.640 --> 00:45:20.319
the radiator in different places much more easily whereas these ones really

00:45:17.440 --> 00:45:25.559
have to go on the top of your case but the newer ones so the h220x and the H2

00:45:23.000 --> 00:45:30.040
40x the fact that they are mounted in the top of the case but they're much

00:45:27.160 --> 00:45:35.920
more expandable and much more reliable from what Swift Tech saying about them

00:45:32.079 --> 00:45:38.280
is also great too so I mean maybe

00:45:35.920 --> 00:45:43.200
there's room for swifttech to have both options a less powerful Central CPU

00:45:41.359 --> 00:45:49.000
block based pump unit where you have more radiator flexibility and then these

00:45:45.800 --> 00:45:50.960
H these X Series ones to take care of

00:45:49.000 --> 00:45:54.880
people who are okay having it in the top only the top and that is it that is

00:45:53.319 --> 00:45:58.119
going to be very applicable in a couple days yeah I won't be doing that accent

00:45:56.400 --> 00:46:02.280
when we're so much probably not a terrible idea yeah so uh for those of

00:46:00.520 --> 00:46:08.240
you who don't know this already Luke and I are doing a German road trip Excursion

00:46:06.680 --> 00:46:12.599
yeah we're going to be touring the senheiser factory which is going to be pretty cool

00:46:11.640 --> 00:46:17.640
that's going to be sweet we're going to meet like the dude who designs like the

00:46:15.400 --> 00:46:23.359
headphones that's awesome which is going to be cool I'm actually so stoked but

00:46:19.520 --> 00:46:25.640
more stoked for Cherry MX so we're going

00:46:23.359 --> 00:46:30.400
to see Cherry corpse manufacturing facility as well so

00:46:27.520 --> 00:46:36.119
next week is going to be all about Z German engineering and Z German

00:46:33.720 --> 00:46:41.280
manufacturing um so both for keyboard switches and for headphones both Luke

00:46:38.880 --> 00:46:46.240
and I I guess if you were going to pick like you know half a dozen companies

00:46:44.240 --> 00:46:49.800
that we think are pretty cool and we tend to really like what they do I think

00:46:48.400 --> 00:46:54.240
Cherry would be on the list and Sennheiser would be on the list as well

00:46:51.760 --> 00:46:59.119
yep so we're we're pretty pretty stoked to check that out definitely stoked on

00:46:56.079 --> 00:47:01.440
that change oh no you go that was posted

00:46:59.119 --> 00:47:07.880
no that was not posted by him yeah right Whirlwind speaking of things that are we

00:47:04.440 --> 00:47:09.920
should probably check out Windows 10 not

00:47:07.880 --> 00:47:17.280
Windows 9 it's funny CU we made that joke Windows 9 Windows Windows

00:47:14.040 --> 00:47:19.240
no and we were right yep actually that

00:47:17.280 --> 00:47:25.599
is kind of true and the reason they did it was because they wanted to separate

00:47:22.800 --> 00:47:31.559
the next Windows from Windows 8.1 as much as possible basically they

00:47:29.520 --> 00:47:37.200
didn't want people to feel like it was an iterative improvement on Windows 8

00:47:34.880 --> 00:47:41.440
which honestly I don't think Windows 9 would have sounded like if they called

00:47:39.000 --> 00:47:45.079
it Windows 8.2 that probably would have sounded like an iteration super drunk to

00:47:43.400 --> 00:47:48.440
be completely honest that's all I really have to say about that that's super dumb

00:47:46.599 --> 00:47:53.640
I me it's funny because they made the joke about we're going to call it

00:47:50.640 --> 00:47:56.240
Windows one yeah yeah yeah and they

00:47:53.640 --> 00:48:00.640
weren't even self-aware enough as far as I can tell to realize that just because

00:47:58.400 --> 00:48:05.920
they didn't call it one doesn't mean that what they did was any less

00:48:02.640 --> 00:48:07.160
stupid it's still not how you count

00:48:05.920 --> 00:48:13.119
Vista 7810 come on they they can't even hold

00:48:09.880 --> 00:48:16.599
it together for three releases in a row

00:48:13.119 --> 00:48:18.599
actually yes they can 95 98 2000 there

00:48:16.599 --> 00:48:24.440
you go okay so they they can't even hold it together for four releases in a row

00:48:21.359 --> 00:48:27.350
yeah oh wait well hold on a second me

00:48:24.440 --> 00:48:28.599
came first but it's

00:48:28.599 --> 00:48:33.559
oh but Emy is Millen H he's still

00:48:32.200 --> 00:48:37.960
referencing a year oh come come on now no I know I

00:48:36.559 --> 00:48:43.720
agree with you but they like sort of tried at least

00:48:42.119 --> 00:48:50.079
they didn't just completely skip a number they weren't like 2014 but it's

00:48:47.720 --> 00:48:54.280
2000 but we're going to release 2014 because it sounds much better one of my

00:48:52.880 --> 00:48:59.240
favorite quotes was I don't remember exactly what he said but essentially it was along the lines of once you once you

00:48:57.480 --> 00:49:04.480
fire up Windows 10 and you see how awesome it is you won't question why we

00:49:01.440 --> 00:49:07.000
jumped a number it's like actually that

00:49:04.480 --> 00:49:12.000
has nothing to do with anything ever at any point in time that makes no sense at

00:49:09.240 --> 00:49:19.040
all because even if it was a massive change like XP to Vista it wasn't like

00:49:15.559 --> 00:49:21.799
you didn't go like XP to

00:49:19.040 --> 00:49:25.960
XP3 because what that didn't make any sense anyways uh I've seen quite a few

00:49:24.680 --> 00:49:31.559
people that have tried it so far and it seems kind of generally broken to be

00:49:28.480 --> 00:49:33.480
completely honest uh the GUI is

00:49:31.559 --> 00:49:36.680
apparently far from complete there's a lot of problems this seems very

00:49:34.920 --> 00:49:40.280
unpolished there's a tons of missing animations all that kind of stuff and

00:49:39.119 --> 00:49:46.200
their biggest feature that they're toting is the return of the start menu

00:49:42.359 --> 00:49:47.640
which is fantastic but but also a little

00:49:46.200 --> 00:49:53.680
frustrating because when they first showed off this hybrid uh start menu

00:49:50.440 --> 00:49:55.200
start screen thing it was being pitched

00:49:53.680 --> 00:50:00.160
as a feature that we were going to see in the next update to Windows 8 .1 yes

00:49:58.160 --> 00:50:03.680
and who hold on we're not doing that okay hold on a second um hold off for a

00:50:02.480 --> 00:50:08.559
couple months now we're going to throw you guys this Windows 10 preview which

00:50:06.280 --> 00:50:14.799
isn't going to come into out until late 2015 yeah we're we're months away we're

00:50:11.880 --> 00:50:18.359
almost a year away from Windows 10 actually being something you can install

00:50:16.520 --> 00:50:22.200
on your system and run as a production OS production OS yeah okay because you

00:50:20.440 --> 00:50:26.280
can get the technical preview right now but it is totally broken balls and it

00:50:24.440 --> 00:50:30.280
has some cool stuff like now instead of just being able to snap Windows to the

00:50:28.200 --> 00:50:34.359
sides for side by side reading you can snap to Corners so you can actually have

00:50:32.520 --> 00:50:38.680
four things on screen something folks with large monitors are going to be

00:50:36.240 --> 00:50:42.400
pretty impressed with and then another really cool thing about it is you can

00:50:40.119 --> 00:50:49.599
actually have virtual desktops it's funny because I've seen virtual desktops

00:50:45.319 --> 00:50:52.440
working as far back as uh third-party uh

00:50:49.599 --> 00:50:56.720
UI modifiers for Windows XP I was yeah I was going to say like as far back as

00:50:54.440 --> 00:51:02.200
super far back and yesterday because they can work now yes they're not new so

00:50:59.880 --> 00:51:07.280
so it's not a new idea but basically a virtual desktop would be different um

00:51:05.599 --> 00:51:10.960
different different desktops depending on what you want to do so you could have

00:51:08.640 --> 00:51:14.720
a different set of applications open and have them spread out a different way

00:51:12.760 --> 00:51:23.520
depending on what kind of thing you want to do so for example you could uh have

00:51:19.160 --> 00:51:25.040
like Steam and you play and origin and

00:51:23.520 --> 00:51:30.920
you said Warner Brothers is maybe that Warner Brothers one that they're working on oh what a nightmare anyway you could

00:51:29.000 --> 00:51:34.240
have one virtual desktop that has all those popups so all your game libraries

00:51:32.880 --> 00:51:39.480
are right there in front of you you could have another one that has you know

00:51:36.720 --> 00:51:43.119
Chrome up here and then you know word over here and something else like a

00:51:41.559 --> 00:51:48.200
video over here so you can sit and watch streams while you research and do homework for example and then you are

00:51:46.799 --> 00:51:51.480
supposed to it's a little glitchy right now especially for multim monitor users

00:51:50.240 --> 00:51:57.319
you're supposed to be able to switch between them that's pretty freaking cool

00:51:54.760 --> 00:52:01.599
yes it is but it's also been a previous feature of Windows kind of been a

00:51:59.599 --> 00:52:05.200
feature of Linux for an extremely long time yes and is able to be done by

00:52:03.640 --> 00:52:08.520
thirdparty applications already one thing that I not that's definitely going

00:52:07.480 --> 00:52:13.799
to come up with a whole bunch of search results I just hope they at least divide it in a very good way and they don't put

00:52:12.040 --> 00:52:16.599
web search results at the top or it's extremely configurable either one I'll

00:52:15.319 --> 00:52:21.599
be happy about one thing that we were talking about was uh we were questioning

00:52:19.839 --> 00:52:25.000
whether or not those tiles were going to be extremely configurable because I

00:52:23.160 --> 00:52:29.640
talked about how it could be pretty cool if you wanted to put like certaines that

00:52:27.880 --> 00:52:33.160
you go to a lot and then a whole of games and St but I didn't want it to

00:52:31.559 --> 00:52:37.640
like just be Auto population or something like that it is a configurable

00:52:35.079 --> 00:52:41.160
space right and one thing that could be really interesting actually is if they

00:52:39.319 --> 00:52:44.680
made it so that those switching desktops were able to have their own unique start

00:52:42.760 --> 00:52:50.319
menus MH so maybe you could have a production production uh desktop where

00:52:47.400 --> 00:52:55.400
you have like Excel word all that junk and like work websites in the nice kind

00:52:53.640 --> 00:52:58.880
of like I'm going to say Metro that's not the right word modern UI style tiles

00:52:57.319 --> 00:53:02.799
on the right hand side and then you switch to like your gaming one and it's

00:53:00.559 --> 00:53:06.599
like gaming websites L detectives.com steam all that crap yeah I'd love that

00:53:05.720 --> 00:53:12.920
that would be pretty cool I don't know if that's a thing but that would be cool yeah we'll have to look into it I mean

00:53:10.760 --> 00:53:15.599
honestly I've been gearing up for the trip to Germany making sure that we're

00:53:14.319 --> 00:53:19.119
going to have some videos while we're gone we've actually got some great

00:53:17.839 --> 00:53:25.599
videos queued up we're going to be taking a look at the 5820k so that's

00:53:22.319 --> 00:53:28.880
Intel's lower cost six core on LGA 2011

00:53:25.599 --> 00:53:30.680
versus the 5 30k and because the main

00:53:28.880 --> 00:53:36.400
difference between these chips is like a 6% difference in clock

00:53:33.200 --> 00:53:39.480
speed and that's it except that the

00:53:36.400 --> 00:53:42.480
5820k has quite a few fewer it's

00:53:39.480 --> 00:53:45.400
actually got 12 fewer PCI Express Lanes

00:53:42.480 --> 00:53:49.599
so multi-GPU support is limited in terms of how much bandwidth it can deliver to

00:53:47.119 --> 00:53:54.200
each card so we take a really close look at how that affects performance then

00:53:52.720 --> 00:54:00.280
we've got another really great one where we're going to be looking at SLI scaling

00:53:56.079 --> 00:54:03.160
with GT gtx980 from 1 GPU to 2 to 3 to 4

00:54:00.280 --> 00:54:06.720
at 4K how it scales and how the gameplay experience is affected by adding more

00:54:05.079 --> 00:54:09.839
graphics cards so I'm I'm pretty I'm pretty stoked on it those will be pretty

00:54:08.079 --> 00:54:14.040
cool videos and then I even have my ultimate keycap replacement guide yes

00:54:12.200 --> 00:54:18.720
I've been working on a lot lately I think that's scheduled for next Tuesday

00:54:15.960 --> 00:54:23.400
night it's an ultimate guide so remember guys our ultimate guides are the best

00:54:20.720 --> 00:54:27.400
videos we can make so our build guides things like that uh graphics card water

00:54:25.280 --> 00:54:31.720
block install guide although that's a bit of an older Ultimate Guide we're

00:54:28.640 --> 00:54:34.119
better now but uh luk is looking like

00:54:31.720 --> 00:54:37.960
it's shaping up to be pretty darn cool the only thing I'm worried about is

00:54:35.880 --> 00:54:43.880
while it's being edited I will not be in the country yes and it's very long so I

00:54:42.200 --> 00:54:48.160
don't know I hope that works out quite well but we're not entirely sure and

00:54:46.319 --> 00:54:54.440
then one of the most exciting things of my week because anytime any news comes

00:54:51.200 --> 00:54:56.440
from Mr Elon Musk at all ever I get

00:54:54.440 --> 00:55:00.960
super excited um there's more information about the Tesla Model D so

00:54:58.280 --> 00:55:04.400
all he released was a picture of like a garage door that was partially open and

00:55:02.960 --> 00:55:11.640
you could just kind of see like the headlights and a little bit of the front of the car um but people are not

00:55:09.480 --> 00:55:16.839
entirely sure what it is it could be that cheap uh well cheap quote unquote

00:55:15.480 --> 00:55:20.079
car that Tesla has been talking about for a little while or that might not be

00:55:18.799 --> 00:55:24.240
the reveal it could be something else completely different because they've already been talking about that a little

00:55:22.240 --> 00:55:26.960
bit people are unsure I personally think it's probably going to be the cheap one

00:55:25.799 --> 00:55:32.400
that they've been talking talking about especially because the front of the car looked like a car and not a different

00:55:30.640 --> 00:55:37.760
type of thing like an SUV yeah I saw some speculation oh maybe they'll unveil

00:55:34.359 --> 00:55:39.559
a truck but it looked too low it didn't

00:55:37.760 --> 00:55:45.000
look like a truck so yeah it looked like a car so it's probably the uh cheaper

00:55:43.680 --> 00:55:50.280
version of a Tesla that they've been talking about for a little while and they've also said that there's other

00:55:48.039 --> 00:55:56.480
information coming soon which is probably talking about by the way that

00:55:52.039 --> 00:56:00.280
was posted on the Forum by heisen blur

00:55:56.480 --> 00:56:02.200
blg thank you heisen blurg and then this

00:56:00.280 --> 00:56:06.799
next topic which is Elon mus saying that Teslas will be able to self-drive 90% of

00:56:04.920 --> 00:56:11.280
the time was posted on the Forum by Sherman tanker that's incredible that is

00:56:09.599 --> 00:56:18.720
incredible sorry he hasn't said the date yet that's the incredible part uh what

00:56:14.559 --> 00:56:20.720
is it 2015 2015 comly oh wait no model X

00:56:18.720 --> 00:56:25.680
is coming early 2015 so yeah sometime next year which is pretty insane and I

00:56:23.760 --> 00:56:28.960
love how smug he is about everything and then he just manages to do it that's my

00:56:27.440 --> 00:56:33.880
favorite part what we're a Silicon Valley company so if you know we're not

00:56:30.720 --> 00:56:36.720
leading the way then all is not right in

00:56:33.880 --> 00:56:41.119
the universe basically cuz I mean it's not like other car manufacturers aren't

00:56:38.960 --> 00:56:46.680
talking about self-driving or excuse me as musk calls it autopilot yeah which I

00:56:43.520 --> 00:56:49.960
personally think is way cooler oh yeah

00:56:46.680 --> 00:56:52.520
like 100 self-driving car or car with

00:56:49.960 --> 00:56:55.760
autopilot badass yeah I want car with autopilot it's not like other guys

00:56:53.799 --> 00:57:01.440
aren't talking about it GM's promised a handsfree mode for some 2017 models and

00:56:59.480 --> 00:57:06.039
most are speculating 2020 as a reasonable year for the release of

00:57:02.760 --> 00:57:09.079
self-driving cars I want autopilot cars

00:57:06.039 --> 00:57:12.440
musk claims it's months away from retail

00:57:09.079 --> 00:57:13.440
for his 90% autopilot and some of the

00:57:12.440 --> 00:57:20.599
things that he's talking about that would be in the 10% are stuff like uh

00:57:17.240 --> 00:57:23.200
difficult to manage uh like terrain

00:57:20.599 --> 00:57:27.119
right and like debris on the road it's not like they can't they can't just kind

00:57:24.880 --> 00:57:30.880
of cruise around right now it's it's the bad situations that you want your car to

00:57:28.960 --> 00:57:34.480
be able to handle can't necessarily handle yet and you know the funny thing

00:57:32.359 --> 00:57:42.240
about it is these things that self-driving or autopilot cars have to

00:57:37.359 --> 00:57:44.480
overcome now are mostly to do with other

00:57:42.240 --> 00:57:49.000
drivers being hazards so they have to overcome

00:57:45.839 --> 00:57:51.400
this just to gain enough acceptance to

00:57:49.000 --> 00:57:55.119
eventually make it to a future where it doesn't matter because every other car

00:57:53.480 --> 00:57:59.680
on the road will behave in a predictable manner yeah but then there is other that

00:57:57.720 --> 00:58:02.559
bizarre and that is bizarre and you are completely correct but there is other

00:58:01.400 --> 00:58:07.640
reasons why they might have to be careful too if if a house Falls over and

00:58:05.559 --> 00:58:11.920
there's debris in the road or if there's if there's some sort of rock fall

00:58:09.599 --> 00:58:15.839
adverse weather effects that are somehow unpredictable in some way all these

00:58:14.359 --> 00:58:20.559
kinds of things telephone po that gets knocked over but those are much less

00:58:18.400 --> 00:58:24.799
frequent than some drunk dude crashing into a wall and making debris go all

00:58:22.799 --> 00:58:29.240
over the road so that is more what they have to take care of uh I know Elon Musk

00:58:27.359 --> 00:58:33.640
I I tweeted him a hilarious thing about wanting the D and I think half of the

00:58:31.440 --> 00:58:37.000
entire internet did as well and he replied the next day saying like oh the

00:58:35.599 --> 00:58:41.319
internet is hilarious that wasn't my intention I don't believe you at all

00:58:40.200 --> 00:58:50.319
that is yeah no no no because okay he wanted

00:58:47.280 --> 00:58:52.359
to release cars in the order of um SE

00:58:50.319 --> 00:58:56.280
and X because he thought that would be funny and then announcing like asking

00:58:54.880 --> 00:59:01.920
people if they want to know more about the D are you kidding

00:58:58.480 --> 00:59:03.839
me so much inuendo there's no way that's

00:59:01.920 --> 00:59:08.440
not that's not intentional so intentional oh my goodness I love it and

00:59:06.119 --> 00:59:12.760
that's hilarious and it's cool to see someone running one of these massive

00:59:10.520 --> 00:59:16.680
very important companies being able to like have a joke about these kind have a

00:59:14.839 --> 00:59:22.640
sense of humor about this stuff I mean why does product naming have to be so

00:59:19.880 --> 00:59:27.160
stuffy yeah you know have some fun with it I mean I'm sure that at least a

00:59:25.200 --> 00:59:32.079
handful of you have noticed that our secondary channel is called Techquickie

00:59:29.920 --> 00:59:35.760
and that our primary format is called fast as

00:59:33.359 --> 00:59:40.559
possible come on now more people have noticed you know the number of people

00:59:37.160 --> 00:59:44.160
who have pointed that out to me as if I

00:59:40.559 --> 00:59:47.280
didn't know by the way your channel is

00:59:44.160 --> 00:59:49.599
very like innuendo not sure if you knew

00:59:47.280 --> 00:59:53.440
yeah silly jokes on the W show sometimes I thought perhaps you didn't notice that

00:59:51.720 --> 01:00:00.280
did you know that fast as possible is an acronym for something else

00:59:56.599 --> 01:00:02.039
no wa really you know how long it came

01:00:00.280 --> 01:00:06.440
us to it took us to come up with that name and eventually we found one that

01:00:04.240 --> 01:00:11.240
fit was like wow that's awesome and went with that yeah even Techquickie even

01:00:08.680 --> 01:00:15.000
Techquickie we uh we we couldn't even find the channel name that was available

01:00:13.160 --> 01:00:22.720
that we were happy with we actually bought Techquickie for a GTX 670 and a

01:00:19.640 --> 01:00:25.200
3 terabyte hard drive I shipped it to

01:00:22.720 --> 01:00:28.280
some guy in Singapore and he transferred the channel to me

01:00:26.960 --> 01:00:31.440
that's hilarious yeah it actually had a bunch of videos on it so he transferred

01:00:30.200 --> 01:00:37.440
the channel to me I nuked them all we started over nice he wasn't going to do

01:00:34.280 --> 01:00:40.200
the deal with me until he um until he

01:00:37.440 --> 01:00:44.599
saw our primary Channel and he was like oh yeah you guys are like you guys are

01:00:42.640 --> 01:00:49.319
pretty cool you guys do cool stuff you need this more than I do oh but I would

01:00:47.119 --> 01:00:53.960
definitely like some hardware for it I was like okay man sure dude here you go

01:00:51.480 --> 01:00:56.880
we got this that's kind of cool I didn't actually know that story I knew we

01:00:55.160 --> 01:00:59.839
acquired it through some way and I know we traded Hardware but I didn't know

01:00:58.160 --> 01:01:05.359
like the whole yeah no he didn't even want to do it cuz it was actually tied

01:01:02.000 --> 01:01:07.280
to an email address that he used oh so

01:01:05.359 --> 01:01:12.280
he was like yeah I'm not using the YouTube channel but I'd really rather

01:01:09.559 --> 01:01:17.119
keep this and I kind of went dude please we've got big plans we've got stuff we

01:01:14.520 --> 01:01:20.359
want to do this is important and he went yeah okay okay I wonder if every once in

01:01:18.680 --> 01:01:23.760
a while he like he CHS back and was like oh cool I don't know maybe have you

01:01:21.680 --> 01:01:28.119
heard from him at all or no not at all that's interesting yeah funny hey anyway

01:01:25.920 --> 01:01:32.680
anyways I guess we can move on to like real show yeah I want to thank Scott for

01:01:30.079 --> 01:01:37.920
coming on the show yeah great guest lots of great information I know that some of

01:01:35.240 --> 01:01:42.880
it might have been a little bit sort of higher level than some of the stuff that

01:01:39.720 --> 01:01:45.480
we normally talk about but uh guys Scott

01:01:42.880 --> 01:01:51.680
knows a ton and everything he said there was really great information he's one of

01:01:48.640 --> 01:01:54.839
the most trustworthy voices in the

01:01:51.680 --> 01:01:57.559
entire tech industry okay he's a true

01:01:54.839 --> 01:02:00.960
journalist he so much about the truth and the real information so you guys

01:01:59.520 --> 01:02:05.160
should definitely check out the tech report definitely pay attention to what

01:02:03.000 --> 01:02:09.520
Scott's doing especially if you were captivated by his presence here on our

01:02:07.400 --> 01:02:13.200
show he does have a podcast so you guys should check that out as well normally I

01:02:11.440 --> 01:02:17.000
would like for him to be able to outro himself but unfortunately our Skype

01:02:14.960 --> 01:02:21.640
connection was lost and we can't bring him back on so uh there you go guys big

01:02:20.039 --> 01:02:26.599
thanks to Scott for coming on the show today and we thought that was great yep

01:02:24.599 --> 01:02:31.920
that was actually absolutely fantastic was the PCI Express 4.0 conversation on

01:02:30.039 --> 01:02:36.200
the mainstream no it wasn't on the mainstream yeah that was actually like

01:02:33.599 --> 01:02:40.760
my favorite part of the whole thing just knowledge bombs in the middle of nowhere

01:02:38.480 --> 01:02:44.440
I know I wanted to bring him back I wanted to come back to that while we

01:02:42.640 --> 01:02:51.200
were actually live on the show so Scott was talking about PCI Express 4.0 which

01:02:47.640 --> 01:02:54.680
is basically we've reached the limit of

01:02:51.200 --> 01:02:57.039
of what can be achieved by connecting

01:02:54.680 --> 01:03:02.279
graphics cards to other things and in the system via copper and PCI Express

01:02:59.720 --> 01:03:06.720
4.0 is going to be probably serveron technology at least for quite some time

01:03:04.440 --> 01:03:11.799
because of how expensive it's going to be to implement with like

01:03:08.760 --> 01:03:14.599
repeaters signal repeaters built into a

01:03:11.799 --> 01:03:18.200
motherboard just to get the signal far enough yeah because they have to make it

01:03:16.520 --> 01:03:22.480
so ridiculously tight because to get baned with that fast over copper it has

01:03:19.960 --> 01:03:25.160
to be pretty short really really cool so he was talking about how they're going

01:03:23.520 --> 01:03:29.119
to have to get into other Technologies outside of oper and apparently they're

01:03:26.960 --> 01:03:32.440
already working on this and it's kind of maybe working it's kind of working yeah

01:03:31.359 --> 01:03:36.880
oh man that was actually a really interesting conversation that was my yeah my favorite part about him having

01:03:35.400 --> 01:03:41.400
him on the show was that and that's not on the main show unfortunate yeah don't

01:03:39.279 --> 01:03:46.440
worry we'll uh we'll we'll have him back at some point um Nexus six specs have

01:03:44.440 --> 01:03:49.960
been leaked so the original article here is from Android police and this was

01:03:48.039 --> 01:03:53.240
posted on the Forum by top war gamer thank you top war gamer for posting that

01:03:51.440 --> 01:04:00.079
let's go ahead and pop this up on the screen this is the Motorola Nexus 6 a

01:03:56.520 --> 01:04:02.799
5.9 in Quad HD display with a 3200

01:04:00.079 --> 01:04:11.559
milliamp Plus Battery dual front facing speakers and more and I hate it why it's

01:04:07.400 --> 01:04:16.559
a fablet oh yeah okay it's almost 6 in

01:04:11.559 --> 01:04:18.000
yeah I mean I understand that no I don't

01:04:16.559 --> 01:04:24.079
understand this well how big is it I know it's not but how is a uh I

01:04:21.720 --> 01:04:31.799
understand having a fablet in your product lineup y i get that but Google's

01:04:27.680 --> 01:04:34.640
Nexus line is the one phone that pardon

01:04:31.799 --> 01:04:40.680
the pun is supposed to be one size fits all and a fablet does not fit all like

01:04:37.680 --> 01:04:43.480
the D period oh no there's lots of

01:04:40.680 --> 01:04:49.039
different sizes of D's that are needed um I was just yeah anyways uh it's yeah

01:04:46.799 --> 01:04:55.200
so the the Note 4 is kind of a huge phone and this is2 larger because the

01:04:51.680 --> 01:04:57.279
Note 4 is 5.7 in this is 5.9 so this is

01:04:55.200 --> 01:05:02.520
extremely frustrating to me because I already find a 5 in phone to be pretty

01:05:00.440 --> 01:05:05.720
much the limit for me okay and and I always used to play Devil's Advocate and

01:05:03.960 --> 01:05:09.559
say that I liked bigger phones like I have bigger hands or whatever but I

01:05:07.960 --> 01:05:13.319
actually really like this phone you've been using the Moto X my Moto X and

01:05:12.000 --> 01:05:19.160
whenever I use bigger phones now I'm like you know what I can reach the other corner I don't want to have to reach for

01:05:16.960 --> 01:05:22.880
the other corner it's easier when I can just click on it and I know some people

01:05:20.799 --> 01:05:26.480
are going to like destroy me for that but like it doesn't it doesn't matter I

01:05:24.359 --> 01:05:31.720
use my phone more for like production style stuff so like like

01:05:29.240 --> 01:05:36.640
emails utility stuff yeah I'm not watching videos on it really I'll listen

01:05:34.119 --> 01:05:41.319
to music doesn't matter having a huge screen for music because it just sits in

01:05:38.440 --> 01:05:46.720
my pocket so like I I listen to music I read emails I read documents I type

01:05:44.079 --> 01:05:50.119
things up I reply to emails text messages phone calls that kind of stuff

01:05:48.760 --> 01:05:53.119
so I don't actually necessarily care about a huge screen anymore I used to

01:05:52.079 --> 01:05:58.400
because I used to game on my phone a little bit right but I haven't seen so

01:05:56.000 --> 01:06:01.839
over gaming on my phone yeah and like especially with Smash Bros which is

01:06:00.200 --> 01:06:05.200
awesome I can actually talk about it now because it released this morning oh yeah

01:06:03.839 --> 01:06:10.160
you've been playing it for how long like two weeks ni so good the only

01:06:08.200 --> 01:06:13.400
unfortunate part was now that I actually had to go get my own copy because they

01:06:11.640 --> 01:06:18.440
get the review copy back it's all saved on the card oh so I lost all my progress

01:06:16.559 --> 01:06:26.760
go Nintendo um but the

01:06:23.279 --> 01:06:28.720
um sup weird noise um the Hyrule

01:06:26.760 --> 01:06:31.680
Warriors one it saves locally to your Wii U oh nice so I had to get another

01:06:30.440 --> 01:06:36.520
copy of that but then I still have my save so I went further in that game and

01:06:34.279 --> 01:06:40.400
smash is more about just fighting so it's not that big of a deal um but yeah

01:06:38.200 --> 01:06:44.799
tons of fun and I would way rather play that than something on my phone right so

01:06:43.240 --> 01:06:48.960
I just haul my 2DS with me and then everyone knows what a shield lover I am

01:06:47.400 --> 01:06:52.240
yeah so then you have the shield and like if if if I didn't have a 2DS I

01:06:50.880 --> 01:06:57.480
would go with the shield I would not go with a phone with Shield at 200 bucks

01:06:55.000 --> 01:07:01.359
that's a brainer for me yeah for a proper

01:06:58.440 --> 01:07:05.200
controller um yeah no I don't know I I'm not really into phone gaming so I don't

01:07:03.240 --> 01:07:09.359
see the point I don't know I was happy when I first saw this before I saw the

01:07:07.319 --> 01:07:13.119
size because I was looking at stuff like oh okay so they brought forward facing

01:07:11.119 --> 01:07:16.160
speakers that's cool they fix the battery problem that's cool and then

01:07:14.920 --> 01:07:20.839
they have a lot of the other features that that the other Moto X would have

01:07:19.039 --> 01:07:24.440
which is that's also cool yeah it's very similar to the new Moto X so it's got

01:07:22.839 --> 01:07:28.920
the same aluminum frame around the outside looks very very similar other

01:07:26.400 --> 01:07:32.240
than being larger but ring flash a lot of the a lot of the Innovations here

01:07:30.440 --> 01:07:38.119
aren't really that meaningful to me especially things like a Quad HD display

01:07:35.279 --> 01:07:44.119
I reviewed the G3 there's a lot more to a display than resolution so much more

01:07:40.880 --> 01:07:46.440
there's a whole world of contrast and

01:07:44.119 --> 01:07:49.520
color reproduction out there that has nothing to do with how many pixels you

01:07:48.079 --> 01:07:53.400
can cram into a space and that's one thing I brought up in my Note 4 video

01:07:51.119 --> 01:07:57.680
from CTI was that they had an extremely high resolution display on the Note 4

01:07:55.640 --> 01:08:03.880
but they didn't sacrifice what it looked like right so the the color still looks

01:08:00.960 --> 01:08:07.720
really good which was not a thing on the G3 well that and because Samsung's going

01:08:05.920 --> 01:08:14.559
to be using AMOLED they're not going to lose contrast the way that the way that

01:08:10.960 --> 01:08:17.719
a typical LCD will like the um the HTC1

01:08:14.559 --> 01:08:19.560
M8 is an LCD screen but it's got great

01:08:17.719 --> 01:08:24.120
contrast which makes it easier to use outside than the G3 in spite of all the

01:08:21.759 --> 01:08:28.839
pixels because it's contrast ratio so the difference between the darkest darks

01:08:25.880 --> 01:08:32.480
and the whitest whites is not as high whereas AMOLED is able to turn the

01:08:30.560 --> 01:08:37.400
pixels right off when they're not being used so you'll typically have excellent

01:08:35.640 --> 01:08:40.920
contrast so that's why something like that is going to work a little bit better and while you might not

01:08:39.759 --> 01:08:43.799
necessarily care about the higher resolution on a Note 4 because you're

01:08:42.759 --> 01:08:48.239
probably not going to be able to know the difference if you get something like a gear VR you'll be able to tell the

01:08:46.960 --> 01:08:53.239
difference when it's right there in front of your face kind curious to try

01:08:50.239 --> 01:08:54.799
gear VR it's surprisingly good but there

01:08:53.239 --> 01:08:58.080
is also drawbacks have we talked about on the show before we have yeah okay so

01:08:56.359 --> 01:09:01.080
I'm not going to dive into it much but I think it's going to be retail available

01:08:59.640 --> 01:09:04.319
and not way too long so we might be able to try one out if we get a note 4 it's

01:09:02.719 --> 01:09:07.560
one phone compatible right now right they're hoping to open it up at some

01:09:05.880 --> 01:09:11.480
point but as of right now it's one phone compatible right all right so let's move

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01:12:51.400 --> 01:12:57.719
so this is really cool news most Project

01:12:54.800 --> 01:13:04.040
R modes will be hot swappable thanks to modified Android L this was posted on

01:13:00.520 --> 01:13:06.719
TechnoBuffalo we should have joh back

01:13:04.040 --> 01:13:10.440
his baby must be quite a bit older now yeah John John ringer from TechnoBuffalo

01:13:08.639 --> 01:13:14.840
he was one of the best guests we've ever had we got a we got to bring him back

01:13:12.520 --> 01:13:17.719
maybe when uh maybe when Nexus 6 drops or something like that we'll bring him

01:13:16.040 --> 01:13:21.920
on to talk about it I haven't checked with him so obviously no promises but he

01:13:20.280 --> 01:13:27.120
did say he'd come on the show again at some point but the coolest thing about

01:13:24.320 --> 01:13:34.040
this besides besides being able to swap you know cameras let's say for example

01:13:29.520 --> 01:13:36.840
you can swap the battery while it's

01:13:34.040 --> 01:13:39.920
running whoa It's like what what are they

01:13:38.000 --> 01:13:43.080
Tesla okay you can't do it while it's running but you can do it very quickly

01:13:41.280 --> 01:13:47.560
on a Tesla yes faster than you can fill up your card with gas but how cool is

01:13:45.440 --> 01:13:52.480
that okay that's actually pretty awesome so Project Ara I've gone from being

01:13:49.639 --> 01:13:56.360
extremely skeptical to being extremely hopeful to being extremely not

01:13:54.639 --> 01:14:01.960
interested because I was sure it was going to be very very lowend stuff to

01:13:59.080 --> 01:14:06.560
being pretty interested again all of a sudden it's got It's got a little bit of

01:14:04.719 --> 01:14:12.120
onboard uh it's got a little bit of onboard power so you will actually be

01:14:08.679 --> 01:14:15.040
able to potentially mid call swap

01:14:12.120 --> 01:14:18.800
battery packs for True continuous use and like I've had people that I work

01:14:16.199 --> 01:14:22.239
with in the past carry around multiple batteries with them with their phone

01:14:20.440 --> 01:14:25.159
they never actually plugged this was this was one specific guy that I worked

01:14:23.600 --> 01:14:28.440
with he would always have two spare batteries with him at all points in time

01:14:27.000 --> 01:14:31.920
and the battery in his phone and he would never plug in his phone to charge

01:14:30.400 --> 01:14:35.560
if it was getting low he'd turn it off swap the battery out turn it back on and

01:14:33.400 --> 01:14:39.120
keep going just like that eh and he would just always charge his batteries

01:14:37.080 --> 01:14:42.880
so this phone will be perfect for him I know he won't get it because he works

01:14:40.480 --> 01:14:47.239
for his very specific company but this phone would have been perfect for

01:14:44.840 --> 01:14:51.920
him and I do know people that would like doing that as well because like when

01:14:49.320 --> 01:14:55.320
when uh there's there's that what is it commercial yeah there's a commercial

01:14:53.199 --> 01:14:58.719
going on right now where the the guy his boss calls him and he's on a golf course

01:14:57.440 --> 01:15:02.719
and his boss is yelling at him for something and the phone only has 4% battery left and it just dies during the

01:15:01.560 --> 01:15:06.920
call and he's like now I don't have a job anymore you had one of these it's

01:15:05.120 --> 01:15:12.159
not the battery up yeah I'm sure that's going to be the the ad for

01:15:08.960 --> 01:15:13.440
it no no no there is an ad right now oh

01:15:12.159 --> 01:15:17.960
where the guy loses his job while he's on a golf course because his phone dies no I just mean I'm sure that's going to

01:15:16.080 --> 01:15:22.920
be the ad for Project R I'm sure that's going to be like exactly what they're

01:15:21.120 --> 01:15:27.480
going for I I think it's probably going to be it's going to be more about the

01:15:24.679 --> 01:15:33.159
Google Play Type store that they currently Envision for parts where

01:15:29.760 --> 01:15:35.480
you'll be able to shop lenses or shop

01:15:33.159 --> 01:15:39.920
processors or whatever else and just quickly and easily order new swappable

01:15:38.199 --> 01:15:43.800
parts for your project rphone I I think it's incredibly cool and I'm now getting

01:15:42.440 --> 01:15:51.000
pretty excited about that would be cool because one thing I'm worried about is taking my Moto X with me to

01:15:47.520 --> 01:15:53.000
Germany sorry um and not being it's not

01:15:51.000 --> 01:15:58.480
your mom is it no new employees leaving oh okay

01:15:55.080 --> 01:16:02.120
bye thank you thank you bye um it is my

01:15:58.480 --> 01:16:04.400
pictures going to suck right freaking

01:16:02.120 --> 01:16:09.960
camera's terrible right like it's it's not good it's specifically not good and

01:16:07.760 --> 01:16:13.239
like I don't have a here you can borrow mine you going to be using this I don't

01:16:12.080 --> 01:16:18.400
know if you look at the lens you might know why I was going to lend it to you oh yeah that's not good yeah I crack

01:16:16.159 --> 01:16:22.520
cracked the lens on my one I contacted HTC support so maybe I'll maybe I'll

01:16:20.520 --> 01:16:25.880
tweet my results but I'm contacting them just as a regular guy through the

01:16:24.400 --> 01:16:32.080
regular support channels and I'm going to see how they treat me um so

01:16:29.000 --> 01:16:34.320
far I had I had one lady tell me that

01:16:32.080 --> 01:16:37.560
for sure it was going to be covered and then she wanted me to check with my

01:16:36.000 --> 01:16:41.080
carrier to see if they would deal with the RMA for me first before calling them

01:16:39.520 --> 01:16:45.760
back and they'd escalate me and I kind of went well I didn't get the phone through my carrier so probably not my

01:16:43.960 --> 01:16:50.000
carrier wasn't interested so I called back and the second lady said we can't

01:16:47.520 --> 01:16:52.679
guarantee that it's going to be covered and you're going to have to pay to send

01:16:51.320 --> 01:16:58.400
the phone and I'm okay with paying to send the phone to their RMA Center that's pretty standard in the tech

01:16:55.800 --> 01:17:03.760
industry um but if they don't cover this cracked lens I'm going to be pretty not

01:17:01.080 --> 01:17:07.320
impressed because the only way that that lens could be cracked is if there's

01:17:05.560 --> 01:17:13.280
something bloody well wrong with it cuz the rest of it all around it absolutely

01:17:10.520 --> 01:17:18.120
perfect Immaculate and this lens is fine it's a bit of a known issue that that

01:17:14.840 --> 01:17:20.400
main camera lens cover is uh is not that

01:17:18.120 --> 01:17:24.679
great there are things you can do if you use a very mild abrasive like toothpaste

01:17:22.920 --> 01:17:29.320
you can get the coating off of it that has been causing it to appear kind of

01:17:26.239 --> 01:17:31.560
scratchy and then it's fine and uh but

01:17:29.320 --> 01:17:36.520
but with it cracked obviously that ain't going to help me much so let's see I

01:17:34.560 --> 01:17:39.199
it's kind of fun being a normal customer every once in a while for me and just

01:17:37.719 --> 01:17:44.000
seeing how people treat me um but yeah I was even thinking about

01:17:42.360 --> 01:17:49.360
possibly maybe getting that camera that Austin will never stop talking about at

01:17:46.440 --> 01:17:53.159
21 but I'm not going to because I don't want to spend that much money how much

01:17:50.800 --> 01:17:56.360
is it 800 bucks oh wow yeah you don't seem like the kind of person who I don't

01:17:54.560 --> 01:18:02.199
think you've spent $800 on anything since I met you other than your

01:17:59.400 --> 01:18:07.719
car no definitely not um yeah so I don't

01:18:06.239 --> 01:18:10.320
know he wants new computer hardware he just steals

01:18:10.360 --> 01:18:21.719
it people ask me if I get stuff from work and I'm like no I take stuff from

01:18:21.719 --> 01:18:32.639
work anyways um yeah oh well all right

01:18:27.920 --> 01:18:35.239
uh Facebook is doing an about face book

01:18:32.639 --> 01:18:40.120
on their real name policy so the this was posted by by Mega zero on the Forum

01:18:38.159 --> 01:18:45.520
and the original source is the Wall Street Journal okay so let's go ahead

01:18:42.719 --> 01:18:49.199
and pop that on there there we go hopefully that'll load at some point

01:18:47.000 --> 01:18:53.360
which like okay I I find this slightly hilarious because while I feel bad for

01:18:51.800 --> 01:18:58.080
the people that had their names forcibly revealed

01:18:55.320 --> 01:19:02.960
I may or may not and people that I know may or may not have Facebook accounts

01:19:00.760 --> 01:19:07.400
under their gamertags that have existed for a very long time that have never

01:19:06.400 --> 01:19:13.560
been changed which last names with like first

01:19:10.320 --> 01:19:16.679
and last names that are definitely not

01:19:13.560 --> 01:19:18.600
real right but like not even real names

01:19:16.679 --> 01:19:26.719
well the issue here was that it seemed to be a um a person or group of people

01:19:22.639 --> 01:19:26.719
targeting drag queens and

01:19:27.440 --> 01:19:34.920
so Facebook because the tools are mostly automated just kind of went through and

01:19:32.920 --> 01:19:39.679
and forced all these people to submit library cards or gym memberships or

01:19:36.880 --> 01:19:44.600
whatever else to to validate their names and of course they couldn't because they

01:19:41.960 --> 01:19:49.719
go by let's say for example a stage name that is not their real name legally and

01:19:48.199 --> 01:19:55.400
and so basically it was a targeted attack on these people forcing them to

01:19:51.560 --> 01:19:57.679
reveal their legal names and um that is

01:19:55.400 --> 01:20:00.520
why Facebook is kind of going well hold on a second that's not really what we

01:19:58.960 --> 01:20:04.280
meant to do here and they're re-evaluating the policy saying well

01:20:02.880 --> 01:20:10.120
hold on a second what we were really trying to achieve is to have people use

01:20:07.280 --> 01:20:15.719
a name that they use in real life not necessarily that we wanted everyone to

01:20:12.600 --> 01:20:16.960
force forcibly reveal their legal name

01:20:15.719 --> 01:20:22.440
because honestly they want they want a name that they can Target advertisements at yes that's what they want yeah that's

01:20:21.000 --> 01:20:26.880
all they care about yeah so they don't care about getting your real like government issued name but they want the

01:20:25.360 --> 01:20:29.320
name that you're using online so they can Target ads to you that's right so

01:20:28.360 --> 01:20:36.800
they're not really trying to be oppressive in that way they just want to be it just happened yeah cuz automated

01:20:34.800 --> 01:20:41.960
tools yeah yeah reasons why people are scared about

01:20:39.520 --> 01:20:45.920
automated driving speaking of automated in Facebook and scary uh Facebook's

01:20:43.840 --> 01:20:50.000
developing giant unmanned planes that are designed to fly for months at a time

01:20:48.040 --> 01:20:54.719
this was posted by ethod on the Forum thank you for that and the original

01:20:51.679 --> 01:20:56.239
article here is from the BBC so they're

01:20:54.719 --> 01:21:00.960
planning to have them fly above the weather which I believe is yeah 60,000

01:20:58.120 --> 01:21:05.480
to 990,000 Ft which is huge it's supposed to be about 6 or seven Priuses

01:21:03.880 --> 01:21:10.280
in length I love how they're using this as a unit of measurement six or seven

01:21:08.679 --> 01:21:16.840
Priuses in length which I believe is about two luses so we're looking at

01:21:12.239 --> 01:21:20.560
about 12 to 14 lus 14 luses and then and

01:21:16.840 --> 01:21:24.320
then or like about or about two school

01:21:20.560 --> 01:21:27.040
buses yeah there you go and uh where is

01:21:24.320 --> 01:21:32.679
it about the weight of four tires of a Prius so weighs basically nothing wow

01:21:30.679 --> 01:21:37.679
that's incredible I think that's why like they're supposed to be solar

01:21:33.840 --> 01:21:39.080
powered for one which is insane that's

01:21:37.679 --> 01:21:44.800
that's incredible that's that is kind of incredible so I'm assuming if they're solar power they're going to have to be

01:21:41.560 --> 01:21:46.280
some type of uh propeller base cuz

01:21:44.800 --> 01:21:50.520
you're going to have to move something instead of having a

01:21:48.080 --> 01:21:53.360
jet so that's interesting not entirely sure how they're going to do that I

01:21:51.920 --> 01:21:55.960
don't think there's a ton of information about that yet not yet could be

01:21:54.960 --> 01:22:01.360
interesting they're planning on getting Wi-Fi to a whole bunch of different places in the world with the intent of

01:21:59.400 --> 01:22:05.800
totally not just advertising to even more people but getting more people

01:22:03.360 --> 01:22:09.440
online to help with uh just spread of information so you can get people out of

01:22:07.800 --> 01:22:15.000
poverty and help with child mortality and stuff like that yeah all all the

01:22:12.000 --> 01:22:16.719
stuff all a lot of the stuff that's

01:22:15.000 --> 01:22:20.639
going to be achieved thanks to this initiative is going to be extremely

01:22:18.199 --> 01:22:24.520
positive oh yeah definitely not I was just kind of poking fun but I mean I

01:22:22.719 --> 01:22:28.960
think you know if we look at why Facebook invests in anything are they

01:22:26.360 --> 01:22:33.360
ultimately after themselves and their own interests of course

01:22:31.040 --> 01:22:36.800
yes they're going to do that a publicly traded company Lo no less they have to

01:22:35.360 --> 01:22:40.080
justify everything they do to shareholders so so wait till the

01:22:38.960 --> 01:22:44.719
shareholders meeting and then you'll figure out why they're actually doing it yeah exactly but it will be

01:22:43.159 --> 01:22:48.000
overwhelmingly positive for a lot of people unless the internet access is

01:22:46.480 --> 01:22:53.440
only to Facebook but I doubt that'll be a thing all right do28 posted this on

01:22:50.159 --> 01:22:57.400
the Forum and Kano has evidently shipped

01:22:53.440 --> 01:22:59.880
their build learn to code computer kits

01:22:57.400 --> 01:23:04.639
to the first batch of backers we actually got one yeah so we did back it

01:23:02.400 --> 01:23:08.000
and um I'm actually going to have Luke probably do the review on this when he

01:23:06.120 --> 01:23:11.880
gets back but do you want to tell people a little bit about the Kano either way

01:23:10.040 --> 01:23:16.400
before I get people into it I'm going to have you as part of the video because

01:23:14.320 --> 01:23:20.760
part of the idea is that it's supposed to take uh hacking round with code and

01:23:18.560 --> 01:23:24.920
learning uh computational thinking Child's Play not that's that's just kind

01:23:23.320 --> 01:23:27.880
of no it's supposed to make it easier and

01:23:26.440 --> 01:23:33.920
it's supposed to make it easier to understand and just having instead of just having it be raw code all over the

01:23:30.679 --> 01:23:36.040
place there'll be examples and it'll

01:23:33.920 --> 01:23:40.040
Build You Up you'll learn as you as you play with it and I want you to try it as

01:23:38.239 --> 01:23:45.199
someone who hasn't programmed just to see how the how the like barrier of

01:23:43.199 --> 01:23:49.159
Entry is so we'll get both perspectives yeah because the barrier of Entry to

01:23:46.520 --> 01:23:52.400
coding can be brutal for a lot of people and then once you start rolling it's a

01:23:50.440 --> 01:23:57.000
lot easier but the barri of Entry sucks and a big part of this project is is to

01:23:55.080 --> 01:24:00.760
lower or lessen that barrier of Entry so it should be pretty interesting but it's

01:23:58.560 --> 01:24:04.920
essentially a little Raspberry Pi single board Linux based computer that has some

01:24:03.400 --> 01:24:08.800
of their software on it which helps teach you how to code it's not the most

01:24:06.560 --> 01:24:13.080
super complicated thing but it is a very cheap way to get into programming and it

01:24:11.480 --> 01:24:18.360
can essentially build you up a whole computer you just have to add like a screen and stuff yep they're going to

01:24:16.080 --> 01:24:21.920
get into modular components at some point in the future here screens battery

01:24:20.040 --> 01:24:26.080
sensors lights Robotics and all kinds of stuff like that so the future looks

01:24:24.520 --> 01:24:29.920
pretty bright for these guys they actually just brought in uh the former

01:24:27.880 --> 01:24:32.920
CEO of match.com as their Chief Operating Officer yeah I think right now

01:24:31.960 --> 01:24:37.280
it comes with the keyboard right keyboard with a little touchpad on it I think so all you need to do is hook it

01:24:36.040 --> 01:24:41.520
up to a screen so if you walk around with this thing you could have the the

01:24:39.040 --> 01:24:44.159
power brick and the little keyboard and the mini raspberry power unit you just

01:24:43.040 --> 01:24:50.000
have to hook it up to a screen you're good to go anywhere which is actually pretty

01:24:46.600 --> 01:24:52.840
cool all right so I think we've got uh

01:24:50.000 --> 01:24:57.280
probably a couple more couple more topics here and then we might just have

01:24:54.520 --> 01:25:01.920
to wrap things up sure what do you think is next EA finally fixed Battlefield 4

01:25:00.480 --> 01:25:06.119
and apparently they're releasing some stuff to Sims like pools which probably

01:25:04.920 --> 01:25:11.560
should have been there in the in the beginning but they're not charging people for it which a lot of people were

01:25:08.880 --> 01:25:16.560
expecting so you're getting uh swimming pools ghosts and Star Wars theme content

01:25:14.280 --> 01:25:21.080
along with some new careers paths and all of that should be free cool which I

01:25:19.480 --> 01:25:24.920
don't necessarily care about but we did Hammer them for that so we should have

01:25:22.679 --> 01:25:30.159
that positive so we should we should be nice when they do good things we should

01:25:27.800 --> 01:25:34.639
all right EA we'll be nice but Ubisoft we're still mad at

01:25:31.600 --> 01:25:37.119
you yeah you didn't make Shadows of

01:25:34.639 --> 01:25:41.239
Mordor yeah I know right I'm really excited to play it the I've seen some

01:25:39.040 --> 01:25:45.239
complaints about the combat still being kind of simplistic but I want to I want

01:25:43.440 --> 01:25:48.880
to really play it for myself before I before I judge it here uh there's a good

01:25:47.199 --> 01:25:54.400
post on the Forum comparing it to the Batman series um especially the combat

01:25:51.360 --> 01:25:57.320
saying it's just not as deep and it's

01:25:54.400 --> 01:26:02.360
very frustrating to play without uh Telegraph attack indicators because the

01:25:59.800 --> 01:26:06.719
the telegraphs are not as clear and it ends up a lot of the time just being a

01:26:04.080 --> 01:26:13.280
cluster hump of of Bad Dudes around you and it's kind of hard to manage and then

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playing with telegrass on pretty easy so

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yeah that makes sense I I you played The Batman Batman series a lot more

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thoroughly than I did mhm so you'll probably have more input on that side I

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barely touched the Batman series so I won't really even know um I know when I

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play I'm going to try and play with the little Telegraph things but I'm probably

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going to get murdered but I don't necessarily mind dying in games right as

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long as it's possible for me to keep progressing yeah I'm okay as long as it's fair yeah yeah make it fair I mean

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not like Warcraft 2 where you would play a One V one against a computer on an

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eight player map and then if you watch the replay or just turn off fog of war

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with a cheat you could watch their first Soldier or grunt walk straight to your

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base it's like come on at least search

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like at least try to search at least pretend to like hardcoded in so they

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look in one place that you're not before so so you always knew you had to build

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one guard Tower before anything else so

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that you could deal with that stupid first and second

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attack kind of brutal yeah so I don't know I'll probably try it the hard way

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just cuz it sounds kind of fun and the combat does seem pretty simplistic so

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far and removing that will make the combat not simplistic at all so I don't

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know we'll see all right well I think that's pretty much it for the show here

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today guys um thank you for watching again big thanks to Scott for being our

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worry we know what's causing the con connectivity problems and we will get

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that resolved before the show next week so stay tuned for that thanks for

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watching and uh if you missed any of the show today the whole thing uninterrupted

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will be up in the archive on YouTube

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y oh whoops dang it

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oh there's a lot of people asking about the 1 million subscriber giveaway that's

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already been announced and the winners are linked under last week's man show

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that's that's done I've actually got the

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uh the the the gaming notebook sitting at NC ready to ship out to the winner so

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yeah good stuff hooray all right see you guys