okay wow time again so I've got a
terrific story for you guys if you're not tired of my excuses for why this
show is always late 25 minutes my favorite thing ever
is that like every time you're gone we're always 5 minutes
early well I was fixing a problem that
maybe had you been more on the ball and proactive we wouldn't have had so you're
the one that on having the computer streaming that had a zap strap around
the heat sink so that it could keep running that zap strap was in is
incredibly reliable technology plastic never fails plastic holds together
plastic never fails unless UV then plastic then plastic fails very quickly
um so so guys basically what happened is last week we had Paul and Kyle formerly
of New Egg TV on and we were dropping frames like mad it was no good it was
terrible during the stream so I realized about half an hour before today's stream
was supposed to start that we had a guest Skyping in this week and built the
computer yet we hadn't actually swapped out the CPU we had we had done nothing
to make the the computer actually work and not drop frames all over the
freaking place so I actually did a motherboard CPU RAM swap reinstalled all
the capture cards reconfigured xsplit because all the capture settings are
messed up cuz they're all in different slots they've got different IDs now cuz
you have multiple capture cards they're just it'll arbitrarily well this is
number one and this is two and this is so if that changes xplit doesn't
remember anything we had to redo the color we've actually this room has
someone's chair in it and desk now because we've added another body here at
lonus Media Group so we had to move the entire thing it's a miracle we're live
at all but of course what I really meant to say is so I'm
sorry and thank you for tuning in and uh we're going to get on with the show now
so we've got a lot of to Windows excuse me 10 10 Windows 10
there's a technical preview you can go ahead and download it uh we'll talk a
little bit about what's new in Windows 10 or more specifically what is old and
not the new thing that we hated anymore also Tesla is pretty sure that when they
show you the D they are you are going to want it I do I want the d from what I
can see so far just like the the head peeking out I want the d wow
I can't that's the picture they've launched okay why don't you just go
ahead and talk about other topics Scott Watson will be live with us very soon so
we'll have him on the show from the tech report yeah man Samsung will be on the
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not going to waste too much time because we told Scott he was going to be joining
us at around 5:00 and and it is now 5:00
That was supposed to be half an hour into the show but the show just started
so Scott you're live welcome to the show
want to do a quick introduction to who exactly this Scott guy is and why he's
on their screens so am I giving the introduction
or you giving the introduction I will introduce you okay so Scott is basically
a like a gray hair of the industry you know yeah
I would I would have called him a Gray beard but I don't think he can grow a beard any more than I can so it's not
good yeah so guys Scott is one of the most
respected Tech reviewers Tech writers in the industry he's been doing it a long
time like a really long time sorry Scott I'll stop with the old stuff but he's
been doing it a long time he's you're not
wrong he's extremely experienced and
basically if you wanted to get on you know a video video call with someone and
kind of you know hey can you talk technical to me you know that kind of
thing you would want you would want Scott on your Skype so we're going to
hit some pretty hard tech topics and you
guys can find him over at the techreport tocom they have lots of great articles
about um I think
fures see right when you said did fur I thought you were going with like for me
and I was like that's a little old so I thought you were going in with the old jokes again I was like that's not that
old though yeah it's like it's like I don't know nope Furby 3dfx SLI coverage
gForce 4 review if you want to read it there you go there you go see GeForce 4
to give you some idea so back in the GeForce 4 days I was still looking at
like the local computer paper Y and trying to figure out what an AGP
was and you were reviewing graphics cards so Scott why don't we kick things
off with actually something that we that we didn't really put in your guest
section as far as I know have you heard the rumor have you heard the news sort
of news we're not sure rumor right now about AMD potentially partnering with
Samsung to produce 14 nanometer chips
yes yeah and and you know I don't we
wrote a story about this and we asked AMD to comment and I don't think they got back to us um so I'm not sure it's
confirmed but it makes sense for a couple reasons um you know AMD gets a
lot of it chips made at its own former
Fabs by a company called run now by a company called Global foundaries yeah
and glofo as I like to call them and they don't like that
but they've had some trouble getting to the next process node shrinking their
chips down and um they are part of a
common platform Alliance they Share technology with IBM and Samsung and so
these guys kind of work together to make things go and an unusual thing happened
earlier this year um glofo licensed
Samsung's uh 14 nmet process from them
and we think that probably I think probably AMD was kind of behind that
they didn't like glo's Pro progress toward getting to that node and Samsung
had made it or gotten close um and so
there was a sort of a technology transfer but now it sounds like maybe
Samsung's going to just make chips irly for AMD so here's uh here's kind of an
interesting thing this would be the first time in even as long as you've
been covering Tech that that someone
that someone might potentially be at the
same level as Intel for an extended period of time I mean Intel's they're
not that close to or wait excuse me so they're on 14 now but they're not that
close to 10 are they like we just heard about them announcing a 10 nanometer Fab
that they're building yeah in Israel but this that means that AMD Apple Samsung
could all be on the same process node as Intel for a little while here well it's
yeah the hard part about that is that the other guys are still talking about
14 and Intel has been shipping 14 in volume for a couple months um and so
that the talking about it and getting there are different things I think
Samsung has done some test chips and things like that I'm not completely up
on this status of that but my sense is they're not yet shipping 14 nmet stuff
in volume um at least not the types of chips that we're talking about them
building for AMD so yeah it would be
nice to think that everybody could catch up with Intel but uh I don't know it
hasn't happened for a long time and everybody's road map always says they're
going to and then they never do it when
was when was the last time you might you might remember this
wow I don't know like somewhere around 90 nmet maybe um right so that was back
in what pre Prescott days yeah I mean you remember the Intel's penum 4 stuff
wasn't great and uh their 90 nanometer process was somewhat leaky so it
consumed a lot of power they had a chip architecture problem too but they had a
lot of problems at the same time and and Manufacturing was one of them AMD had
some goodness going on with copper interconnects and a silicon on insulator
and things like that and so they there was there there was a time there when it
wasn't entirely clear like it has been for the past four or five years that
Intel was in the league compared to everybody else right so speaking of the
kinds of chips that AMD would want someone like Samsung to build it 14
nanometer uh there's rumors a foot of a
new FX replacement finally a legitimate
high performance chip from AMD to replace the a in FX lineup so is that
what we're looking at here and if so any
idea when what do you think well I think the rumors are about apus or S so's and
if you look at the time frame involved um it's got to be 2015 right so if it's
2015 I'm not sure if that's soon enough for AMD to have a new core out but we
know they have one in development the the ARM version of it is called the k12
and C6 is I think called Zen and that's
a new big core that I my sense is that AMD is going to try to build something
that will compete with the hells and skylakes and whatever Intel has out by
the time it it's uh you know it ships a product I think we may be looking at
2016 for that core but I expect that
when that core is ready it will go into apus and S so's and so if Samsung's
making them then you could have assuming
that Samsung does a good job at 14 anomers you could have a nice
convergence of Samsung's process Tech with the new CPU architecture from AMD
so tell me something I mean we've seen so just a just a brief explanation for
the viewers of how the cost structure of a CPU actually works it's all about how
much how how many dieses you're going to get out of a wafer so Wafers are pretty
much an industry standard size and if you build a CPU that maybe you put
Mountain loads of cash on and you put a ton of cores in it and you make one
that's really big ultimately you have to buy a lot of these wafers in order to
end up with X number of dyes out of that
wafer out of which some of them will be good and some of them will be corrupted
and won't be usable some of them will be partially usable so maybe they'll have
less cash or they'll be clocked lower or whatever else the case may be exuse out
of those so the way that processor manufacturers optimize for cost is they
try to shrink all aspects of the chip so
that they can fit more chips onto a
wafer so AMD by being a process node or
even two behind Intel is at a huge disadvantage because they get far fewer
chips out of these Wafers so their costs are inherently much higher if they
reached processed node parody and AMD was willing to take the kinds of margins
that they've been taking on their CPUs for quite some time Scott do you think
they could build a CPU let's say not an APU let's say an fx CPU cuz we've seen
Intel spending so much of their die space on Graphics if AMD built a CPU at
the same process node as Intel and crammed that much more logic into it
could we see a legitimate Leap Forward in CPU performance the likes of which we
haven't seen in four or five years uh
that would be nice it'd be nice if there were more value delivered byd right
question you know I think the reality is that if you look at the way that the the
chip manufacturing stuff works none of what you said is wrong but if you look
at like Intel's margins on their financial reports it's like 62% or some
crazy number um AMD's cost structure
doesn't have to be as awesome as intels for them to be very profitable they can
be a node or two behind and they can have a a relatively larger chip that
they're manufacturing but if if it costs them $60 to make a chip and they sell it
for $200 and it costs Intel $40 to make the same chip they sell for 200 it's
still not bad business to be in yeah and the thing is that the and and that goes
up too right with optons and things like that it can be thousands of dollars
right and I remember one time I was talking with quizzing a guy with AMD about this about you know oh but you're
behind on process node and you know those are really big chips and and one
time they're taking two optons and putting them in the same socket um on a
on a one substrate you know and I said
that's you know that's really costly isn't and he said yes maybe but every
one of those opter Rons that we sell for $1,200 is good business for AMD yeah and
so I think the key for AMD is to be able to offer a product that is a credible
alternative to Intel that has attractive performance and power consumption um and
they don't have to win to be uh winning
people's business and making money hasn't been doing exactly the new
go ahead AMD hasn't been doing exactly amazing with those profit margins there
not even that long ago they were doing seriously not great and then with the
new console launch things have been turning up a little bit so I I do agree
with you that is probably true but it it couldn't help getting onto a lower node
and having more you mean it couldn't hurt couldn't couldn't hurt there we go
couldn't possibly help them right oh it's always good if you can get to a new
process node and one thing that thatd kind of had to take a hit when they made
their last transition because they went to from a 32 nanometer process node
designed for CPUs on on the the the last
generation so when they brought out cavar they went to a 28 nanometer
process node it's really more tuned for low power high density GPU type
applications and as a result they got less clock speed on the CPU portion of
their Apu than they had in the prior generation and really what you want is
you want a processed Tech that will give you all the benefits uh that you can get
out of better process Tech including faster switching speed so you can get to
higher clocks and I think with Samsung
going to 14 nmet and going to finfets or
uh you know Intel calls them trigate transistors that there's a good
possibility that that there could be a nice increase in switching speed uh at
higher power levels um which could translate into performance as well but
honestly I think architecture is their biggest need right now I don't think
it's process Tech uh process Tech is always something you have to be on top
of but there are multiple options different foundaries they can go to and
they're they're exercising that by going to Samsung but what they need is is a
good architecture to go along with it well I hope we see that I would I
would love to see someone build a balls to thewall CPU
again the 5960x isn't enough for you or
okay the 5960x is pretty cool
okay yes the 596x is pretty see two of them fighting it out though right I mean
yes I'd like to see it not $1,000 there yeah yeah right right You' like to see
that on like the consumer platform and have something even more badass on the
Enthusiast platform as well right well like Intel did its uh the the Ed RAM
external cache L4 cash on some chips
that it sells and it uses it's faster for graphics that way but you can't buy
that in a desktop chip that's socketed you know that's the type of thing that
that it's not a huge performance win on the desktop but it's really cool and
Intel doesn't bring it to the desktop because they don't have any competition
there that's the type of thing that gets pulled into the desktop because it's
cool technology and and if they're fighting it out with the strong
competitor yeah and I mean I love Intel and NVIDIA as much as anyone but I think
that we've seen enough times throughout history even as long as I've paying
attention to this stuff they're pretty content to sit and wait for AMD to make
a move before they drop price or before they release something more competitive
or whatever the case may be yeah yeah well like like Sandy Bridge Ivy Bridge
has well you know they for like a year after they were released they kept they
kept the exact same price and it used to be like every three months you got a
price cut yep yeah that was cool there
was always something to talk about you know yeah it's it's a lot more exciting
when there's two competitors instead of one pricing has been a little bit nuts
since uh Maxwell dropped I've seen 780
Ti like 100 or $200 below 980s just
because so many people are glomming on 980s stuff like that speaking of people
glomming on to 980s I had a chat with someone at a at an un
undisclosed uh retailer and they they
let me know that the gtx970 stricks the
ASUS card you reviewed that one right Scott yeah yeah they um so they have 300
back orders on that one skew wow yeah
they were telling me they've never seen anything like this since 8800 GT
wow I believe it I mean it makes sense we haven't had this type of combination
of there's a lot more performance at a really nice price for a long time yeah
you know what's funny is again undisclosed not going to say who it was
but I talked to someone at NVIDIA prior to the launch when I was when I was
having the prices given to me so that I could so I could make my video um very
last minute that whole thing but it that's neither here nor there so they
they told me the prices and I kind of went wow well gtx970 is the disruptive
one and he's kind of like what do you mean the 980 is going to have the
performance crown and I kind of went well yeah but the 970 is only cut down
by what 20% and it's going to overclock
like a bat out of hell yeah and it's like almost $200 cheaper what a
fantastic card and he kind of goes oh yeah that makes a lot of sense I guess
you mean disruptive in that way oh my goodness yeah it's amazing
they focus on the performance CR at these companies a lot and that's not
always what people want to buy you know that because you can get certain
cars that are better than 980 but 980 is at a really good price for what it is so
people are buying it and then 970s at an even better price for what it is so more
people are buying that it's pretty interesting yeah so go
ahead everyone's way too polite I know
okay I'm just going to talk over everyone from now on okay so 980 and 970
um you had uncovered a little while ago we thought that the only real difference
between 980 and 970 was how many how
many SMS that they had but you had found
a bit of a disparity in their performance that you couldn't really
explain up till now so can you maybe
talk about what people should choose for 4K gaming because I've gotten a lot of
questions about this in the comments on our 980 performance overview in PMS on
the Forum in Threads I've seen posted on the Forum is 970 okay for
4K you know that's a tough question because um is 980 okay for 4K I was even
gonna say is is is is it okay for 4K is kind of an interesting question right
now in general I mean I kind of think you want to
it for for running everything like the the high-end games that we use for
testing at high quality settings one of
anything that's out there right now isn't entirely adequate um you can play
some games and you can tweak things to where a 970 or a 980 will run in 4k but
it's not always a great experience um so
that's it's weird because there is this this architectural difference that we
didn't understand before between the 970 and the 980 in that uh the 980 has both
of them have the same number of RS which determines pixel throughput and that's
really important for 4K because you've
got a lot of pixels but uh it turns out
that when you cut the number of SMS like they do on the 970 you actually lower
the pixel throughput of the card effectively because the SMS help
determine the the the pixel throughput in a way that we didn't understand until
after our 980 review when a fellow reviewer Damian at hardware. frr
sent me a little note and said hey see that Benchmark you result you got where
it was a lot lower fill rate on the 970 yeah here's the explanation I did a
little post about it but it's totally his work he figured out uh by asking
very specific questions of NVIDIA you
know did why there was actually less
capacity for Pixel throughput on the 970
um that said you I've been playing around with overclocking 980s and 970s a
little bit and you know you can get back a lot of what you lose by taking SMS
Away by turning up clock speeds and what
else I've got right over here is a 4K monitor from Acer that is gsync capable
and I'm finding out that even though in
a lot of cases frame ratees seem a little bit marginal on a 970 or a 980
with a single card that when you have gsync and you're in those situations
where it's like you know 40 some FPS sometimes that's good enough when
the monitor is updating right when a frame was ready so I'll tell you this I
actually did my I my Acer 4K
gsync video really differently from how
I've typically looked at either monitors or video cards from a performance
perspective before I did it no numbers
because we lacked the high-speed camera equipment that we would need to properly
quantify g-sync in a way that would be meaningful to viewers and fcats not
working for it and basically the the
thing about g-sync is it's more of a it's more of a feel than a number yeah
right now in terms of the equipment that we have to test it on our side anyway so
the way I did it was instead of having
fraps on and tuning my game settings so that it was running at solid FPS and I
knew that I sat down and I cranked the detail on my games without any FPS
counter and then I reduced it until felt
like I was playing at 60fps smooth then I all tabbed out fired up fraps and had
to look at my frame rates and I discovered the exact same thing that you
did I was getting dips down to 42 43 and
that felt butter smooth to me yeah now
and gsync is great for that so I I don't
know that's that's kind of a tough decision in terms of pricing because
those 4K gsync monitors are not cheap right yeah there's well there's one
model So speaking of two competitors being uh better better for excitement
and pricing yeah yeah Acer's the only show in town
yeah I think ASUS is supposed to have a 4k g-sync monitor out before the end of
the year though okay so sometime in the next three months so we'll see but even
even not 4K gsync monitors can be extremely expensive still yep we do need
to see a little bit more Market flooding until it's going to be consumable for a
lot of different people okay so Scott sorry go ahead well GNC's awesome
technology but it's not a good deal right now so speaking of not a good deal
right now it's it's kind of it's there's so much confusion right now about AMD's
project free sync yeah maybe you can clarify this because honestly I've even
found myself getting a little bit lost in the misinformation about it so
there's a lot of people saying okay it's built into DisplayPort now we're just
going to see it built into the Next Generation scalers and we're going to
have support for freyn across the board then there's other information out there
some of which is coming from AMD themselves saying well actually hold on
a second it's only a small subset of our graphics cards that are actually going
to support the tech and it's not necessarily just going to be part of
DisplayPort and NVIDIA is coming out saying yeah we're not going to support
it it's not just part of DisplayPort what the hell is free
sync well freesync is AMD's Project to
create a variable refresh Monitor and there's a vasis spec called adaptive
sync adaptive Dash sync I think that is
something that AMD kind of shephered through as an extension to DisplayPort
in order to enable project free sync um
it's not I don't think it's a mandatory part of the spec but it's an extension
it may be mandatory eventually but but
that doesn't mean that a monitor needs to have all of the capabilities to
support variable refresh andd is working
with monitor makers and with the scaler manufacturer
to enable a variable refresh capable set
of Hardware set of displays multiple products um from different companies and
what we really haven't seen yet is a
functioning prototype or anything like
that so if you remember gsync was demoed
in like September 2013 we I think we met and talked at
that uh event right yeah and then NVIDIA
said oh it'll be out in like March and then summer then fall and it didn't come
out till really the the end of summer or fall yeah I mean I had plans with NVIDIA
to potentially do like uh like a wine tasting style event in q1 where they
wanted monitors to be available and we were going to have members of our
community come and do like a blind taste test type thing that was going to be
cool and that was going to be like a super cool idea and then
just didn't really work yeah nothing ever happened because there was
nothing yeah so I think I think the
first step or probably the next step I hope is that we get to see a working
prototype um but AMD is saying that those are on the way and then they're
saying early next year for the first
products and you know these are product
schedules that's that's the best case I think when you hear that but could
happen right and you know the other question is how much cost will it add to
a monitor to support this feature and do it correctly yeah and you know the path
that NVIDIA has taken they developed their own scaler completely from scratch
as far as I can tell instead of working with the scaler manufacturer AMD is much
more collaborative here um so presumably
you know those scaler guys already have built all the things that you find in a
normal monitor scaler and they only have to add variable refresh capability
right presumably they might be able to do things uh you know reasonably well
reasonably quickly without too much trouble the other thing is NVIDIA's
Hardware is built off of What's called the fpga field programmable Gat array
which is uh an expensive chip that you can program to do almost anything and
that's usually what you use in development but then you make a custom
chip or an Asic that actually like does
this function and it's much lower cost
and I think that probably the products that come to Market from the scaler
manufacturers uh are I don't know for sure but I'd expect them to be A6 and if
they're not in in the first generation eventually they should be because I
think what everybody wants is for the cost premium to go down happen because
of more competition it needs to happen because they use cheaper hardware and it
needs to happen because there are more suppliers 50 bucks is is in my mind for
a 24
to buy a monitor without some kind of adaptive refresh rate and I think people
aren't going to mind waiting for free sync to come in because it's not 50
bucks right now so it is a very hard decision to make and a lot of people are
going to keep monitors for a very long time so making a monitor decision
sometimes isn't that oh sweet a new graphic card came out let me upgrade
it's more of a okay it's been 6 years seven years maybe I should reset all my
monitors yes and you know I think what you want
to see is for AMD to succeed and for
their stuff to get out there in the market and then at some point for this
to become ubiquitous and what I mean by that is NVIDIA has to cave and say okay
we're going to support it if you buy this monitor you can you can do adaptive
refresh with the radon only GeForce but I don't think NVIDIA has any interest in
making that easy for AMD so they're going to wait and and take advantage of
the fact that they're first uh because because they they built gsync and they
they did it first and they invested and they're going to wait and see and the
other thing that that I'm not really clear on is uh if you look at that
g-sync module that the NVIDIA built it has a bunch of RAM on it as well as an
fpga yeah it has a and I think it's a
like a lookaside buffer and they need it every once in a while when they don't
get another frame from the uh the GPU in
time they they've got to refresh the display because it's time um so they
have to store a frame in the buffer and I don't know
whether AMD will be able to come up with an approach where that memory is not
required but the same functionality is available right um it might be because
they did they did show variable Refresh on a laptop display which is a little
bit of a different type of of setup um
at CES in the little demo they showed me but um whether or not they can pull that
off is going to determine the cost too and and I I'm still waiting to hear
details
so do you think NVIDIA went with such an expensive solution just because they
were in a hurry yeah definitely and and in fact if
I would talk to Tom Peterson who's the engineer in NVIDIA who sort of
spearheaded gsync and he said something interesting to me between the the time
in in March or so when they were supposed to launch g-sync and and the
time in the summer when it was really imminent I I spoke with him and he said
um you know we really had some problems we had to work out which is why we had
had the delay and thank goodness it was an fpga because they had to change the
way that it worked fundamentally and if it had been a custom chip they would have had to build another spin on the
chip right I think it also like of
course they wanted to hurry but I think it also comes into NVIDIA seems to like doing things by themselves in a fairly
lock down ecosystem and AMD is that whole let's all come together and help
everyone and we'll do it as one big unit and those are two extremely different
styles and I I ful understand the style that NVIDIA went with because it's their
style makes sense yeah they do tend to do that don't they I was
actually they also tend to make money every quarter
yeah you know it's hard to it's hard to I I want openness I prefer openness and
I like sometimes like AMD's approach of we're a hardware maker and we're not a
software maker and we're going to be open but they're not invest they didn't
come up with gsync they didn't they're they're just sort of doing the me too
thing with free Nidia give them credit they invested in
this and they want to get money back for it and and I I understand that I'm
sympathetic to to that even though I think ultimately I hope everybody in
Industry wants the final destination for this to be that you can plug any monitor
into any graphics card and get variable refresh that is exactly what we want I
mean um actually I should clarify something last week on the show speaking
of NVIDIA being closed I did a super pissed off rant for about 5 minutes
about how the controller only works on GeForce PCS
right now did you know about this Scott yeah you know I iix saw that they're
fixing it I I got I got an email at the
end of the show last week yeah yo dog sorry I was I was driving I couldn't
reply we're fixing it it's coming it'll
work on any PC please stop talking about
please stop
talking but you know you got to call them out on stuff like that because you
don't want the standard to become that we're all just kind of in our different
silos and GeForce is its own thing and Radeon is its own thing can you imagine
a controller that only worked on PCS
with a certain brand of graphics cards I mean we' we' we'd be we'd be never mind
consoles going away and converging with PCS PCS would be converging into
consoles at that point new Intel compatible keyboards oh no oh no that
would bead that's terrifying yeah but you know if
it happened to one thing it would leak into all the things I know it's
horrible with the Samsung plant sorry
the Sam well not Samsung plant but Samsung starting AMD development I guess
we did yeah we kind of talked about that already why don't we just um hey Scott
which of our topics under the guest topics are you are you most down to talk
about do you remember did you leave look I am I am easy whatever you guys guys
want to talk about if you want to talk more Graphics if you want to talk any of
the other stuff out there then I'm happy to do it I want to talk about that
17,000 Mac botnet that got
discovered oh wait that's impossible Macs don't get viruses no no no surely
Steve Jobs said they don't get viruses so therefore this isn't a virus they're
just all trying to be friends right Max are more it's a more friendly operating
system this is the new Social Network it's joining a botn net you're being
social with other computers and trying to help everyone to one goal just might
not necessarily be your goal or really anyone who's not sort of the one dude
who set it up don't worry about it it's cool it's
not a virus so okay do you want to do a quick
want to do a quick rundown of what the heck happened here so this was a post from gizmodo.com I'm just going to check
this up on my screen while Luke gives us a rundown and then we'll we'll move into
the topic so the the back door is called mac. backd door. iorm because it has to
be stealthy and use back door in the name awesome um essentially they have
gained access to Max and they use Reddit to connect them all together so
basically when the Mac calls out it goes onto Reddit and finds a post which links
it to a server on under a Minecraft subreddit which is hilarious and then
they all link together through that so this guy used a worm to grab all these
botnet computers and have them link all together through reddit's Minecraft
Community okay so maybe you can explain exp what's the problem with a botn net
what exactly is a botn net and what does it mean to use botn nets for a lot of
different things um a lot of the laws
around like you can't sue someone for their computer necessarily doing
something happens because of botn Nets so you can use a botn net to essentially
a lot of a lot of people refer them to them as zombies as well you can utilize
all these computers to do things for you it's like having a gigantic external
cluster so you can use these to like dos a Target or just do do other things uh
like essentially look like users so if you want to get a whole bunch of hits on
something that's a less aggressive way to use a botet um do we actually have
4,400 viewers who knows maybe we have one who
owns a lot of iMac or doesn't own a lot of IM and
Scott no he's not viewing he's just looking through our video conferencing
software right so he wouldn't even count yeah sorry Scott you don't count as a
viewer you can use them for large variants of things but a lot of times
it's just Doss dos that kind of stuff bringing down websites being a
jerk in this case though I wonder if he's actually using it to look like
users on Minecraft servers I haven't read into it into that much but it would
be pretty funny actually because if you can make your Minecraft server look
popular and then get people to come to it and then actually do real
microtransactions then you might make some money so Scott is Apple
imploding uh there's a lot of bad PR a
lot yeah you know it is weird like the
the bingate stuff that just was one of those Tech stories that you could see it
taking on a life of its own like yeah the iPhone 6 had happened it was a big
deal and then there wasn't another story
and so that one kind of came out on the weekend and it was like the news it hit
the news cycle perfectly everyone wanted more iPhone news and that was the more
iPhone news I don't know did you watch the the Bin videos because I got up that
morning and I went and I watched one of those and I watched this guy's thumbs
just strain against this phone to bend it and I thought that I'm not worried
about that at all like it just it's way
too much force for me to ever care you know I'm not gonna do that accidentally
well you need to gain about a 100 pounds then come on go to the
gym crank up those pecs or something but
but I but it didn't matter because that story filled a void right and and it was
like it was everybody who's like a a Samsung fan like loved it it didn't
matter that it was true it just was there right but honestly I don't think
that that story happens and gets that big if it isn't for the fact that
everybody in the media who was reporting on that making it a big deal knows that
when they report on Apple there's a lot of response yeah right negative or
positive a lot of people will chime in no matter what it is Apple's in trouble
when people don't care about what they do and they're a long way from that
place right now yeah fair enough I mean there's been other bad news too so there
was the report that came out that Apple reportedly punished a German magazine
for doing an iPhone 6 Ben test saying they would no longer be invited to any
of their events and they were basically
cut off I mean how do you how do you
feel as an objective journalist in the
IT industry about that kind of behavior from a manufacturer because
well I want the d which we'll talk about later but um I so so I don't necessarily
care about like a like a paper style screen um or not but I do want the round
shape of a watch and that being said Pebble prices are dropping so they're
reducing their price on the standard Pebble which is not what lonus has anymore you have the Pebble Steel I
believe that's right um they're reducing the price on the standard Pebble to
around 90 USD this is only in the states as far as I know um to 90 USD and
they're bringing the prices down on their steel to 199 USD it's a pretty big
difference do you think it's worth it from the standard to the steel you know
what I I it depends on it depends on
what you want out of your watch if you just want the functionality the
functionality of them is literally exactly the same they actually have the
same Hardware in them I mean they didn't even bother to upgrade the battery on
the steel which in my mind is is a little bit frustrating
functionality the steel is all about the look so if you wear your watch as a
purely functional piece because you would like to know what time it is and
read text messages and all those other cool Pebble apps get a regular Pebble
right 99 bucks if your watch is part of
Amazon extension hopefully they sell on Amazon if your watch is part of the look
of you that that you're trying to achieve if it's a fashion statement then
maybe the steel in my opinion the steel is a great value I mean you can easily
spend $200 on a watch spend 5 10 15
times that on a watch on watches are insane that doesn't have that
functionality there I think that's what the steal is is it's a great marriage of
functionality and a least a little bit
of 2000 M underwater sorry what some of those
super high-end watches are like oh yeah but it'll work 2,000 M underwater and
I'm like wow cool for when I'm in a submarine next what for when I'm
completely underwater and dead and out of
oxygen awesome so Swift Tech launches their
240x H 240x I believe this was fairly
stealthy um I saw a bunch of the comments on the Forum Thread about this
posted by Whirlwind oh I should jump up so the new patch from Moto 360 was
posted on the Forum by Ren the pebble price drops was posted on the Forum by
Raph benan there's two A's there I don't know
how to properly do that other than a so he wins the literally entire world
yeah win the world the whole thing
everything that you can possibly win is won by him anyways uh I believe it was
fairly stealthy because a whole bunch of posters on the Forum were talking about
how they were actually looking to buy a 240x and then just randomly saw on
swiftex website that there was a uh sorry they were looking to buy a 220x
and then they saw on the website that there was a 240x uh there I don't think
there's any like massive changes other than the fact that is a dual 140 mm
copper radiator other than that I believe it's the same type of idea so
they have a full pump a full radiator uh
Reservoir attached to the radiator and then a full standard water block so I
think this is essentially as close as you can get to standard water cooling
with an AO style unit out of anything would you agree with that probably yeah
pretty much I think it's cool how they hide the pump up behind the flow rate
monitor in the top which makes it look extremely compact but then still uses
fulls siize components which is awesome something that I appreciate a lot I
don't see a lot of aios failing but it's still nice to know that I have this
full-size pump which I could honestly swap out if I really needed to um I like
I like aios that are after the concept
of being more like an actual liquid
cooling setup I think that's I think that's a great direction for them to go
Swift Tech's done an okay job of making
their aios drop in I think that their
last generation one actually did a better job of this of making it drop in
because it did have the pump integrated with the CPU block so you could Mount
the radiator in different places much more easily whereas these ones really
have to go on the top of your case but the newer ones so the h220x and the H2
40x the fact that they are mounted in the top of the case but they're much
more expandable and much more reliable from what Swift Tech saying about them
is also great too so I mean maybe
there's room for swifttech to have both options a less powerful Central CPU
block based pump unit where you have more radiator flexibility and then these
H these X Series ones to take care of
people who are okay having it in the top only the top and that is it that is
going to be very applicable in a couple days yeah I won't be doing that accent
when we're so much probably not a terrible idea yeah so uh for those of
you who don't know this already Luke and I are doing a German road trip Excursion
yeah we're going to be touring the senheiser factory which is going to be pretty cool
that's going to be sweet we're going to meet like the dude who designs like the
headphones that's awesome which is going to be cool I'm actually so stoked but
more stoked for Cherry MX so we're going
to see Cherry corpse manufacturing facility as well so
next week is going to be all about Z German engineering and Z German
manufacturing um so both for keyboard switches and for headphones both Luke
and I I guess if you were going to pick like you know half a dozen companies
that we think are pretty cool and we tend to really like what they do I think
Cherry would be on the list and Sennheiser would be on the list as well
yep so we're we're pretty pretty stoked to check that out definitely stoked on
that change oh no you go that was posted
no that was not posted by him yeah right Whirlwind speaking of things that are we
should probably check out Windows 10 not
Windows 9 it's funny CU we made that joke Windows 9 Windows Windows
no and we were right yep actually that
is kind of true and the reason they did it was because they wanted to separate
the next Windows from Windows 8.1 as much as possible basically they
didn't want people to feel like it was an iterative improvement on Windows 8
which honestly I don't think Windows 9 would have sounded like if they called
it Windows 8.2 that probably would have sounded like an iteration super drunk to
be completely honest that's all I really have to say about that that's super dumb
I me it's funny because they made the joke about we're going to call it
Windows one yeah yeah yeah and they
weren't even self-aware enough as far as I can tell to realize that just because
they didn't call it one doesn't mean that what they did was any less
stupid it's still not how you count
Vista 7810 come on they they can't even hold
it together for three releases in a row
actually yes they can 95 98 2000 there
you go okay so they they can't even hold it together for four releases in a row
yeah oh wait well hold on a second me
came first but it's
oh but Emy is Millen H he's still
referencing a year oh come come on now no I know I
agree with you but they like sort of tried at least
they didn't just completely skip a number they weren't like 2014 but it's
2000 but we're going to release 2014 because it sounds much better one of my
favorite quotes was I don't remember exactly what he said but essentially it was along the lines of once you once you
fire up Windows 10 and you see how awesome it is you won't question why we
jumped a number it's like actually that
has nothing to do with anything ever at any point in time that makes no sense at
all because even if it was a massive change like XP to Vista it wasn't like
you didn't go like XP to
XP3 because what that didn't make any sense anyways uh I've seen quite a few
people that have tried it so far and it seems kind of generally broken to be
completely honest uh the GUI is
apparently far from complete there's a lot of problems this seems very
unpolished there's a tons of missing animations all that kind of stuff and
their biggest feature that they're toting is the return of the start menu
which is fantastic but but also a little
frustrating because when they first showed off this hybrid uh start menu
start screen thing it was being pitched
as a feature that we were going to see in the next update to Windows 8 .1 yes
and who hold on we're not doing that okay hold on a second um hold off for a
couple months now we're going to throw you guys this Windows 10 preview which
isn't going to come into out until late 2015 yeah we're we're months away we're
almost a year away from Windows 10 actually being something you can install
on your system and run as a production OS production OS yeah okay because you
can get the technical preview right now but it is totally broken balls and it
has some cool stuff like now instead of just being able to snap Windows to the
sides for side by side reading you can snap to Corners so you can actually have
four things on screen something folks with large monitors are going to be
pretty impressed with and then another really cool thing about it is you can
actually have virtual desktops it's funny because I've seen virtual desktops
working as far back as uh third-party uh
UI modifiers for Windows XP I was yeah I was going to say like as far back as
super far back and yesterday because they can work now yes they're not new so
so it's not a new idea but basically a virtual desktop would be different um
different different desktops depending on what you want to do so you could have
a different set of applications open and have them spread out a different way
depending on what kind of thing you want to do so for example you could uh have
like Steam and you play and origin and
you said Warner Brothers is maybe that Warner Brothers one that they're working on oh what a nightmare anyway you could
have one virtual desktop that has all those popups so all your game libraries
are right there in front of you you could have another one that has you know
Chrome up here and then you know word over here and something else like a
video over here so you can sit and watch streams while you research and do homework for example and then you are
supposed to it's a little glitchy right now especially for multim monitor users
you're supposed to be able to switch between them that's pretty freaking cool
yes it is but it's also been a previous feature of Windows kind of been a
feature of Linux for an extremely long time yes and is able to be done by
thirdparty applications already one thing that I not that's definitely going
to come up with a whole bunch of search results I just hope they at least divide it in a very good way and they don't put
web search results at the top or it's extremely configurable either one I'll
be happy about one thing that we were talking about was uh we were questioning
whether or not those tiles were going to be extremely configurable because I
talked about how it could be pretty cool if you wanted to put like certaines that
you go to a lot and then a whole of games and St but I didn't want it to
like just be Auto population or something like that it is a configurable
space right and one thing that could be really interesting actually is if they
made it so that those switching desktops were able to have their own unique start
menus MH so maybe you could have a production production uh desktop where
you have like Excel word all that junk and like work websites in the nice kind
of like I'm going to say Metro that's not the right word modern UI style tiles
on the right hand side and then you switch to like your gaming one and it's
like gaming websites L detectives.com steam all that crap yeah I'd love that
that would be pretty cool I don't know if that's a thing but that would be cool yeah we'll have to look into it I mean
honestly I've been gearing up for the trip to Germany making sure that we're
going to have some videos while we're gone we've actually got some great
videos queued up we're going to be taking a look at the 5820k so that's
Intel's lower cost six core on LGA 2011
versus the 5 30k and because the main
difference between these chips is like a 6% difference in clock
speed and that's it except that the
5820k has quite a few fewer it's
actually got 12 fewer PCI Express Lanes
so multi-GPU support is limited in terms of how much bandwidth it can deliver to
each card so we take a really close look at how that affects performance then
we've got another really great one where we're going to be looking at SLI scaling
with GT gtx980 from 1 GPU to 2 to 3 to 4
at 4K how it scales and how the gameplay experience is affected by adding more
graphics cards so I'm I'm pretty I'm pretty stoked on it those will be pretty
cool videos and then I even have my ultimate keycap replacement guide yes
I've been working on a lot lately I think that's scheduled for next Tuesday
night it's an ultimate guide so remember guys our ultimate guides are the best
videos we can make so our build guides things like that uh graphics card water
block install guide although that's a bit of an older Ultimate Guide we're
better now but uh luk is looking like
it's shaping up to be pretty darn cool the only thing I'm worried about is
while it's being edited I will not be in the country yes and it's very long so I
don't know I hope that works out quite well but we're not entirely sure and
then one of the most exciting things of my week because anytime any news comes
from Mr Elon Musk at all ever I get
super excited um there's more information about the Tesla Model D so
all he released was a picture of like a garage door that was partially open and
you could just kind of see like the headlights and a little bit of the front of the car um but people are not
entirely sure what it is it could be that cheap uh well cheap quote unquote
car that Tesla has been talking about for a little while or that might not be
the reveal it could be something else completely different because they've already been talking about that a little
bit people are unsure I personally think it's probably going to be the cheap one
that they've been talking talking about especially because the front of the car looked like a car and not a different
type of thing like an SUV yeah I saw some speculation oh maybe they'll unveil
a truck but it looked too low it didn't
look like a truck so yeah it looked like a car so it's probably the uh cheaper
version of a Tesla that they've been talking about for a little while and they've also said that there's other
information coming soon which is probably talking about by the way that
was posted on the Forum by heisen blur
blg thank you heisen blurg and then this
next topic which is Elon mus saying that Teslas will be able to self-drive 90% of
the time was posted on the Forum by Sherman tanker that's incredible that is
incredible sorry he hasn't said the date yet that's the incredible part uh what
is it 2015 2015 comly oh wait no model X
is coming early 2015 so yeah sometime next year which is pretty insane and I
love how smug he is about everything and then he just manages to do it that's my
favorite part what we're a Silicon Valley company so if you know we're not
leading the way then all is not right in
the universe basically cuz I mean it's not like other car manufacturers aren't
talking about self-driving or excuse me as musk calls it autopilot yeah which I
personally think is way cooler oh yeah
like 100 self-driving car or car with
autopilot badass yeah I want car with autopilot it's not like other guys
aren't talking about it GM's promised a handsfree mode for some 2017 models and
most are speculating 2020 as a reasonable year for the release of
self-driving cars I want autopilot cars
musk claims it's months away from retail
for his 90% autopilot and some of the
things that he's talking about that would be in the 10% are stuff like uh
difficult to manage uh like terrain
right and like debris on the road it's not like they can't they can't just kind
of cruise around right now it's it's the bad situations that you want your car to
be able to handle can't necessarily handle yet and you know the funny thing
about it is these things that self-driving or autopilot cars have to
overcome now are mostly to do with other
drivers being hazards so they have to overcome
this just to gain enough acceptance to
eventually make it to a future where it doesn't matter because every other car
on the road will behave in a predictable manner yeah but then there is other that
bizarre and that is bizarre and you are completely correct but there is other
reasons why they might have to be careful too if if a house Falls over and
there's debris in the road or if there's if there's some sort of rock fall
adverse weather effects that are somehow unpredictable in some way all these
kinds of things telephone po that gets knocked over but those are much less
frequent than some drunk dude crashing into a wall and making debris go all
over the road so that is more what they have to take care of uh I know Elon Musk
I I tweeted him a hilarious thing about wanting the D and I think half of the
entire internet did as well and he replied the next day saying like oh the
internet is hilarious that wasn't my intention I don't believe you at all
that is yeah no no no because okay he wanted
to release cars in the order of um SE
and X because he thought that would be funny and then announcing like asking
people if they want to know more about the D are you kidding
me so much inuendo there's no way that's
not that's not intentional so intentional oh my goodness I love it and
that's hilarious and it's cool to see someone running one of these massive
very important companies being able to like have a joke about these kind have a
sense of humor about this stuff I mean why does product naming have to be so
stuffy yeah you know have some fun with it I mean I'm sure that at least a
handful of you have noticed that our secondary channel is called Techquickie
and that our primary format is called fast as
possible come on now more people have noticed you know the number of people
who have pointed that out to me as if I
didn't know by the way your channel is
very like innuendo not sure if you knew
yeah silly jokes on the W show sometimes I thought perhaps you didn't notice that
did you know that fast as possible is an acronym for something else
no wa really you know how long it came
us to it took us to come up with that name and eventually we found one that
fit was like wow that's awesome and went with that yeah even Techquickie even
Techquickie we uh we we couldn't even find the channel name that was available
that we were happy with we actually bought Techquickie for a GTX 670 and a
3 terabyte hard drive I shipped it to
some guy in Singapore and he transferred the channel to me
that's hilarious yeah it actually had a bunch of videos on it so he transferred
the channel to me I nuked them all we started over nice he wasn't going to do
the deal with me until he um until he
saw our primary Channel and he was like oh yeah you guys are like you guys are
pretty cool you guys do cool stuff you need this more than I do oh but I would
definitely like some hardware for it I was like okay man sure dude here you go
we got this that's kind of cool I didn't actually know that story I knew we
acquired it through some way and I know we traded Hardware but I didn't know
like the whole yeah no he didn't even want to do it cuz it was actually tied
to an email address that he used oh so
he was like yeah I'm not using the YouTube channel but I'd really rather
keep this and I kind of went dude please we've got big plans we've got stuff we
want to do this is important and he went yeah okay okay I wonder if every once in
a while he like he CHS back and was like oh cool I don't know maybe have you
heard from him at all or no not at all that's interesting yeah funny hey anyway
anyways I guess we can move on to like real show yeah I want to thank Scott for
coming on the show yeah great guest lots of great information I know that some of
it might have been a little bit sort of higher level than some of the stuff that
we normally talk about but uh guys Scott
knows a ton and everything he said there was really great information he's one of
the most trustworthy voices in the
entire tech industry okay he's a true
journalist he so much about the truth and the real information so you guys
should definitely check out the tech report definitely pay attention to what
Scott's doing especially if you were captivated by his presence here on our
show he does have a podcast so you guys should check that out as well normally I
would like for him to be able to outro himself but unfortunately our Skype
connection was lost and we can't bring him back on so uh there you go guys big
thanks to Scott for coming on the show today and we thought that was great yep
that was actually absolutely fantastic was the PCI Express 4.0 conversation on
the mainstream no it wasn't on the mainstream yeah that was actually like
my favorite part of the whole thing just knowledge bombs in the middle of nowhere
I know I wanted to bring him back I wanted to come back to that while we
were actually live on the show so Scott was talking about PCI Express 4.0 which
is basically we've reached the limit of
of what can be achieved by connecting
graphics cards to other things and in the system via copper and PCI Express
4.0 is going to be probably serveron technology at least for quite some time
because of how expensive it's going to be to implement with like
repeaters signal repeaters built into a
motherboard just to get the signal far enough yeah because they have to make it
so ridiculously tight because to get baned with that fast over copper it has
to be pretty short really really cool so he was talking about how they're going
to have to get into other Technologies outside of oper and apparently they're
already working on this and it's kind of maybe working it's kind of working yeah
oh man that was actually a really interesting conversation that was my yeah my favorite part about him having
him on the show was that and that's not on the main show unfortunate yeah don't
worry we'll uh we'll we'll have him back at some point um Nexus six specs have
been leaked so the original article here is from Android police and this was
posted on the Forum by top war gamer thank you top war gamer for posting that
let's go ahead and pop this up on the screen this is the Motorola Nexus 6 a
5.9 in Quad HD display with a 3200
milliamp Plus Battery dual front facing speakers and more and I hate it why it's
a fablet oh yeah okay it's almost 6 in
yeah I mean I understand that no I don't
understand this well how big is it I know it's not but how is a uh I
understand having a fablet in your product lineup y i get that but Google's
Nexus line is the one phone that pardon
the pun is supposed to be one size fits all and a fablet does not fit all like
the D period oh no there's lots of
different sizes of D's that are needed um I was just yeah anyways uh it's yeah
so the the Note 4 is kind of a huge phone and this is2 larger because the
Note 4 is 5.7 in this is 5.9 so this is
extremely frustrating to me because I already find a 5 in phone to be pretty
much the limit for me okay and and I always used to play Devil's Advocate and
say that I liked bigger phones like I have bigger hands or whatever but I
actually really like this phone you've been using the Moto X my Moto X and
whenever I use bigger phones now I'm like you know what I can reach the other corner I don't want to have to reach for
the other corner it's easier when I can just click on it and I know some people
are going to like destroy me for that but like it doesn't it doesn't matter I
use my phone more for like production style stuff so like like
emails utility stuff yeah I'm not watching videos on it really I'll listen
to music doesn't matter having a huge screen for music because it just sits in
my pocket so like I I listen to music I read emails I read documents I type
things up I reply to emails text messages phone calls that kind of stuff
so I don't actually necessarily care about a huge screen anymore I used to
because I used to game on my phone a little bit right but I haven't seen so
over gaming on my phone yeah and like especially with Smash Bros which is
awesome I can actually talk about it now because it released this morning oh yeah
you've been playing it for how long like two weeks ni so good the only
unfortunate part was now that I actually had to go get my own copy because they
get the review copy back it's all saved on the card oh so I lost all my progress
go Nintendo um but the
um sup weird noise um the Hyrule
Warriors one it saves locally to your Wii U oh nice so I had to get another
copy of that but then I still have my save so I went further in that game and
smash is more about just fighting so it's not that big of a deal um but yeah
tons of fun and I would way rather play that than something on my phone right so
I just haul my 2DS with me and then everyone knows what a shield lover I am
yeah so then you have the shield and like if if if I didn't have a 2DS I
would go with the shield I would not go with a phone with Shield at 200 bucks
that's a brainer for me yeah for a proper
controller um yeah no I don't know I I'm not really into phone gaming so I don't
see the point I don't know I was happy when I first saw this before I saw the
size because I was looking at stuff like oh okay so they brought forward facing
speakers that's cool they fix the battery problem that's cool and then
they have a lot of the other features that that the other Moto X would have
which is that's also cool yeah it's very similar to the new Moto X so it's got
the same aluminum frame around the outside looks very very similar other
than being larger but ring flash a lot of the a lot of the Innovations here
aren't really that meaningful to me especially things like a Quad HD display
I reviewed the G3 there's a lot more to a display than resolution so much more
there's a whole world of contrast and
color reproduction out there that has nothing to do with how many pixels you
can cram into a space and that's one thing I brought up in my Note 4 video
from CTI was that they had an extremely high resolution display on the Note 4
but they didn't sacrifice what it looked like right so the the color still looks
really good which was not a thing on the G3 well that and because Samsung's going
to be using AMOLED they're not going to lose contrast the way that the way that
a typical LCD will like the um the HTC1
M8 is an LCD screen but it's got great
contrast which makes it easier to use outside than the G3 in spite of all the
pixels because it's contrast ratio so the difference between the darkest darks
and the whitest whites is not as high whereas AMOLED is able to turn the
pixels right off when they're not being used so you'll typically have excellent
contrast so that's why something like that is going to work a little bit better and while you might not
necessarily care about the higher resolution on a Note 4 because you're
probably not going to be able to know the difference if you get something like a gear VR you'll be able to tell the
difference when it's right there in front of your face kind curious to try
gear VR it's surprisingly good but there
is also drawbacks have we talked about on the show before we have yeah okay so
I'm not going to dive into it much but I think it's going to be retail available
and not way too long so we might be able to try one out if we get a note 4 it's
one phone compatible right now right they're hoping to open it up at some
point but as of right now it's one phone compatible right all right so let's move
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so this is really cool news most Project
R modes will be hot swappable thanks to modified Android L this was posted on
TechnoBuffalo we should have joh back
his baby must be quite a bit older now yeah John John ringer from TechnoBuffalo
he was one of the best guests we've ever had we got a we got to bring him back
maybe when uh maybe when Nexus 6 drops or something like that we'll bring him
on to talk about it I haven't checked with him so obviously no promises but he
did say he'd come on the show again at some point but the coolest thing about
this besides besides being able to swap you know cameras let's say for example
you can swap the battery while it's
running whoa It's like what what are they
Tesla okay you can't do it while it's running but you can do it very quickly
on a Tesla yes faster than you can fill up your card with gas but how cool is
that okay that's actually pretty awesome so Project Ara I've gone from being
extremely skeptical to being extremely hopeful to being extremely not
interested because I was sure it was going to be very very lowend stuff to
being pretty interested again all of a sudden it's got It's got a little bit of
onboard uh it's got a little bit of onboard power so you will actually be
able to potentially mid call swap
battery packs for True continuous use and like I've had people that I work
with in the past carry around multiple batteries with them with their phone
they never actually plugged this was this was one specific guy that I worked
with he would always have two spare batteries with him at all points in time
and the battery in his phone and he would never plug in his phone to charge
if it was getting low he'd turn it off swap the battery out turn it back on and
keep going just like that eh and he would just always charge his batteries
so this phone will be perfect for him I know he won't get it because he works
for his very specific company but this phone would have been perfect for
him and I do know people that would like doing that as well because like when
when uh there's there's that what is it commercial yeah there's a commercial
going on right now where the the guy his boss calls him and he's on a golf course
and his boss is yelling at him for something and the phone only has 4% battery left and it just dies during the
call and he's like now I don't have a job anymore you had one of these it's
not the battery up yeah I'm sure that's going to be the the ad for
it no no no there is an ad right now oh
where the guy loses his job while he's on a golf course because his phone dies no I just mean I'm sure that's going to
be the ad for Project R I'm sure that's going to be like exactly what they're
going for I I think it's probably going to be it's going to be more about the
Google Play Type store that they currently Envision for parts where
you'll be able to shop lenses or shop
processors or whatever else and just quickly and easily order new swappable
parts for your project rphone I I think it's incredibly cool and I'm now getting
pretty excited about that would be cool because one thing I'm worried about is taking my Moto X with me to
Germany sorry um and not being it's not
your mom is it no new employees leaving oh okay
bye thank you thank you bye um it is my
pictures going to suck right freaking
camera's terrible right like it's it's not good it's specifically not good and
like I don't have a here you can borrow mine you going to be using this I don't
know if you look at the lens you might know why I was going to lend it to you oh yeah that's not good yeah I crack
cracked the lens on my one I contacted HTC support so maybe I'll maybe I'll
tweet my results but I'm contacting them just as a regular guy through the
regular support channels and I'm going to see how they treat me um so
far I had I had one lady tell me that
for sure it was going to be covered and then she wanted me to check with my
carrier to see if they would deal with the RMA for me first before calling them
back and they'd escalate me and I kind of went well I didn't get the phone through my carrier so probably not my
carrier wasn't interested so I called back and the second lady said we can't
guarantee that it's going to be covered and you're going to have to pay to send
the phone and I'm okay with paying to send the phone to their RMA Center that's pretty standard in the tech
industry um but if they don't cover this cracked lens I'm going to be pretty not
impressed because the only way that that lens could be cracked is if there's
something bloody well wrong with it cuz the rest of it all around it absolutely
perfect Immaculate and this lens is fine it's a bit of a known issue that that
main camera lens cover is uh is not that
great there are things you can do if you use a very mild abrasive like toothpaste
you can get the coating off of it that has been causing it to appear kind of
scratchy and then it's fine and uh but
but with it cracked obviously that ain't going to help me much so let's see I
it's kind of fun being a normal customer every once in a while for me and just
seeing how people treat me um but yeah I was even thinking about
possibly maybe getting that camera that Austin will never stop talking about at
21 but I'm not going to because I don't want to spend that much money how much
is it 800 bucks oh wow yeah you don't seem like the kind of person who I don't
think you've spent $800 on anything since I met you other than your
car no definitely not um yeah so I don't
know he wants new computer hardware he just steals
it people ask me if I get stuff from work and I'm like no I take stuff from
work anyways um yeah oh well all right
uh Facebook is doing an about face book
on their real name policy so the this was posted by by Mega zero on the Forum
and the original source is the Wall Street Journal okay so let's go ahead
and pop that on there there we go hopefully that'll load at some point
which like okay I I find this slightly hilarious because while I feel bad for
the people that had their names forcibly revealed
I may or may not and people that I know may or may not have Facebook accounts
under their gamertags that have existed for a very long time that have never
been changed which last names with like first
and last names that are definitely not
real right but like not even real names
well the issue here was that it seemed to be a um a person or group of people
targeting drag queens and
so Facebook because the tools are mostly automated just kind of went through and
and forced all these people to submit library cards or gym memberships or
whatever else to to validate their names and of course they couldn't because they
go by let's say for example a stage name that is not their real name legally and
and so basically it was a targeted attack on these people forcing them to
reveal their legal names and um that is
why Facebook is kind of going well hold on a second that's not really what we
meant to do here and they're re-evaluating the policy saying well
hold on a second what we were really trying to achieve is to have people use
a name that they use in real life not necessarily that we wanted everyone to
force forcibly reveal their legal name
because honestly they want they want a name that they can Target advertisements at yes that's what they want yeah that's
all they care about yeah so they don't care about getting your real like government issued name but they want the
name that you're using online so they can Target ads to you that's right so
they're not really trying to be oppressive in that way they just want to be it just happened yeah cuz automated
tools yeah yeah reasons why people are scared about
automated driving speaking of automated in Facebook and scary uh Facebook's
developing giant unmanned planes that are designed to fly for months at a time
this was posted by ethod on the Forum thank you for that and the original
article here is from the BBC so they're
planning to have them fly above the weather which I believe is yeah 60,000
to 990,000 Ft which is huge it's supposed to be about 6 or seven Priuses
in length I love how they're using this as a unit of measurement six or seven
Priuses in length which I believe is about two luses so we're looking at
about 12 to 14 lus 14 luses and then and
then or like about or about two school
buses yeah there you go and uh where is
it about the weight of four tires of a Prius so weighs basically nothing wow
that's incredible I think that's why like they're supposed to be solar
powered for one which is insane that's
that's incredible that's that is kind of incredible so I'm assuming if they're solar power they're going to have to be
some type of uh propeller base cuz
you're going to have to move something instead of having a
jet so that's interesting not entirely sure how they're going to do that I
don't think there's a ton of information about that yet not yet could be
interesting they're planning on getting Wi-Fi to a whole bunch of different places in the world with the intent of
totally not just advertising to even more people but getting more people
online to help with uh just spread of information so you can get people out of
poverty and help with child mortality and stuff like that yeah all all the
stuff all a lot of the stuff that's
going to be achieved thanks to this initiative is going to be extremely
positive oh yeah definitely not I was just kind of poking fun but I mean I
think you know if we look at why Facebook invests in anything are they
ultimately after themselves and their own interests of course
yes they're going to do that a publicly traded company Lo no less they have to
justify everything they do to shareholders so so wait till the
shareholders meeting and then you'll figure out why they're actually doing it yeah exactly but it will be
overwhelmingly positive for a lot of people unless the internet access is
only to Facebook but I doubt that'll be a thing all right do28 posted this on
the Forum and Kano has evidently shipped
their build learn to code computer kits
to the first batch of backers we actually got one yeah so we did back it
and um I'm actually going to have Luke probably do the review on this when he
gets back but do you want to tell people a little bit about the Kano either way
before I get people into it I'm going to have you as part of the video because
part of the idea is that it's supposed to take uh hacking round with code and
learning uh computational thinking Child's Play not that's that's just kind
of no it's supposed to make it easier and
it's supposed to make it easier to understand and just having instead of just having it be raw code all over the
place there'll be examples and it'll
Build You Up you'll learn as you as you play with it and I want you to try it as
someone who hasn't programmed just to see how the how the like barrier of
Entry is so we'll get both perspectives yeah because the barrier of Entry to
coding can be brutal for a lot of people and then once you start rolling it's a
lot easier but the barri of Entry sucks and a big part of this project is is to
lower or lessen that barrier of Entry so it should be pretty interesting but it's
essentially a little Raspberry Pi single board Linux based computer that has some
of their software on it which helps teach you how to code it's not the most
super complicated thing but it is a very cheap way to get into programming and it
can essentially build you up a whole computer you just have to add like a screen and stuff yep they're going to
get into modular components at some point in the future here screens battery
sensors lights Robotics and all kinds of stuff like that so the future looks
pretty bright for these guys they actually just brought in uh the former
CEO of match.com as their Chief Operating Officer yeah I think right now
it comes with the keyboard right keyboard with a little touchpad on it I think so all you need to do is hook it
up to a screen so if you walk around with this thing you could have the the
power brick and the little keyboard and the mini raspberry power unit you just
have to hook it up to a screen you're good to go anywhere which is actually pretty
cool all right so I think we've got uh
probably a couple more couple more topics here and then we might just have
to wrap things up sure what do you think is next EA finally fixed Battlefield 4
and apparently they're releasing some stuff to Sims like pools which probably
should have been there in the in the beginning but they're not charging people for it which a lot of people were
expecting so you're getting uh swimming pools ghosts and Star Wars theme content
along with some new careers paths and all of that should be free cool which I
don't necessarily care about but we did Hammer them for that so we should have
that positive so we should we should be nice when they do good things we should
all right EA we'll be nice but Ubisoft we're still mad at
you yeah you didn't make Shadows of
Mordor yeah I know right I'm really excited to play it the I've seen some
complaints about the combat still being kind of simplistic but I want to I want
to really play it for myself before I before I judge it here uh there's a good
post on the Forum comparing it to the Batman series um especially the combat
saying it's just not as deep and it's
very frustrating to play without uh Telegraph attack indicators because the
the telegraphs are not as clear and it ends up a lot of the time just being a
cluster hump of of Bad Dudes around you and it's kind of hard to manage and then
playing with telegrass on pretty easy so
yeah that makes sense I I you played The Batman Batman series a lot more
thoroughly than I did mhm so you'll probably have more input on that side I
barely touched the Batman series so I won't really even know um I know when I
play I'm going to try and play with the little Telegraph things but I'm probably
going to get murdered but I don't necessarily mind dying in games right as
long as it's possible for me to keep progressing yeah I'm okay as long as it's fair yeah yeah make it fair I mean
not like Warcraft 2 where you would play a One V one against a computer on an
eight player map and then if you watch the replay or just turn off fog of war
with a cheat you could watch their first Soldier or grunt walk straight to your
base it's like come on at least search
like at least try to search at least pretend to like hardcoded in so they
look in one place that you're not before so so you always knew you had to build
one guard Tower before anything else so
that you could deal with that stupid first and second
attack kind of brutal yeah so I don't know I'll probably try it the hard way
just cuz it sounds kind of fun and the combat does seem pretty simplistic so
far and removing that will make the combat not simplistic at all so I don't
know we'll see all right well I think that's pretty much it for the show here
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