YouTube THUMBNAILS Disappearing! - WAN Show June 29 2018
Linus Tech Tips
·Linus Tech Tips
·2019-05-06
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11,789 words · ~58 min read
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about no well we're live now so if you want to
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ask me if we're talking about it then i guess we're pretty much talking about it
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no we're not no no we're not oh what what what is it well i can't what no you
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can't we're live now you can't tease me like that you can't be like hey are we
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gonna talk about and then just they're here it's embarrassing
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oh like that yeah i actually have no idea what you're talking about
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we have a great show this week yeah um
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it might not be the WAN Show but like somewhere someone will have a
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great
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show i'm looking at the show on my laptop and it looks
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so over saturated
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the problem is that we're using a gaming monitor oh our color calibration
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that's our issue that's where we're running into trouble
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here so we've been so first of all
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first of all our camera people came in and cranked a black magic cinema camera
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to 1600 iso so it basically properly lit
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room my shirt just looked like it looked like a bunch of like little
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bugs crawling around on my shirt um because of all the noise
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so much noise and then we tried to fix it ourselves
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which resulted in the visual feast in front of you today
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it's a very saturated feast so that's that that's where we're at on this all
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right what do we got for topics is there anything worth listening to or should
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people just tune out now uh no they should definitely stay tuned there's
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there's a couple things that i think will be relatively interesting uh the
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first topic i don't think is that interesting um there's there's an lg
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giveaway that we can talk about yeah you can get some lg stuff that's cool
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actually you can get a whole gaming slash workstation machine should we just do that now sure okay um so last chance
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to enter the hive mind pc giveaway sponsored by lg the winner gets a pc
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with an estimated value of about two thousand dollars depending on which
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parts the audience chose as a whole oh so it's like a
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voting thing okay you also get an lg 38wk95c monitor so it's a 38 inch
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3840x1600 ultra wide so we're looking for ideas on how to
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spice up the build and the stream so i will be streaming the build of it live
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that's fun and then one lucky winner will get exactly
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that machine so uh it's worldwide with
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no age restriction how the heck are they doing that that doesn't what that
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doesn't sound uh like something that big companies with legal departments
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normally do so here's a link in the twitch chat to where you guys can uh go
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check out the gleam io information about it including quebec i guess
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which never happens entries close at midnight pacific
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tonight june 29th so don't miss it
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um what else we got uh g-sync HDR modules at 500 to the
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monitor price g-sync is expensive this and more breaking news yeah i think we
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already knew g-sync normal modules were 300 bucks so the fact that the price
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went up should not be super surprising um great news great news uh youtube
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experiments with custom thumbnails just coming in saving the day thank you
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again youtube appreciate it thank you youtube that was
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great i actually had a call with youtube today
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and like out of respect for my partner manager i won't discuss any of the
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specifics of my call because i am very
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appreciative that youtube talks to me yeah because they are not always that
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communicative you'd be surprised if that's a relatively new thing yeah it's
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it's it's it's amazeballs um but i will say that the tone of the call
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on my side was very grateful i'm grateful to youtube
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and our google overlords for making
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our job at float play media easier so much easier
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um there's also rumors because you all know i love rumors of an i9
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9900k i almost wish they went just for
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full full gold and when i nine ninety nine ninety nine k well it'll be over
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nine that's fair um NVIDIA's new nda
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requirement to get access to early hardware is this a giant scandal or is
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it a mountain being made out of a molehill not even a molehill more on
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this at 11. it's like one speck of dirt no no at 11. okay
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uh no that's it i'm rolling the intro 11.
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did you see this i haven't actually it's actually like exactly what i wanted to make remember i
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was telling you oh really it's literally it okay well we'll have to check that
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out then
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how do i get into the dashboard i use twitch so little
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and their settings menus are garbage where's the chat i love you twitch but your settings menus are i just want a
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chat oh right oh i forgot to whoops
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hey so luke doesn't technically work here but you're going to be at ltx right yeah
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luke will be at ltx because luke also technically does do things here
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sometimes yeah so you have a video coming soon i do
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like actually soon now and not just like me hosting a video and like pulling luke
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into it for like color commentary like lucas is hosting uh the nintendo labo
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video the latest possible no one cares anymore about it
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but these are the reasons why people should have cared nintendo labo video
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that's quite a sales pitch all right so basically the whole
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internet is wrong about labo and nintendo
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now you're getting back into the clickbait spirit i knew you had it in you yeah um so let's jump into our first
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topic this was posted by wanatology
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um the study of people named juan
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yes wanatology over on the forum uh the
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original article here is from tech powerup
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NVIDIA's g-sync HDR module is
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this was just working
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you saw me test this i actually didn't but i believe you no i t
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no you've got it on luke's no but that's the one okay that was
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there we go all right okay so did you try unplugging it and plugging it back
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in yes yes i have oh no never mind yeah okay you're right thanks bye
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okay like half of my calls to tech support ever
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really uh it's happened maybe not half i don't
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call tech support that much that's fair um but if we're going back to like when i
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would call tech support as a teenager if we're talking about ever
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i have definitely made my fair share of
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have you tried i must have told you my evga call story
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right okay you know what we're going to get back to this g-sync HDR module have i
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told you that one before with the mineral computer
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i'm not actually sure i don't think so we'll get through part way and i'm sure
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there's people here that haven't heard it you'll probably remember because i must have told you at some point the
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only time i've ever contacted customer support from any computer
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hardware company ever was evga and one
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time i've never had to outside of that everything's always worked or it's been
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like clearly my fault because my hand was covered in oil and i dropped a hard
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drive that is not mac store that was the brand of the hard drive's fault because
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i it hit the ground it's my fault anyway took it and threw it on yeah okay pretty
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much i know where that's going i was everyone knows about my mineral computer if you don't uh there's there's videos
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of it on the channel you should check it out it's it's actually a really funny video in the end but yeah
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when i was building it uh i'm like 12 hours into this build and it's taking me
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forever it's the first time i've ever built a mineral computer i'm doing a lot of things for the first time it's
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actually only it's probably like the low double digits of times i've built the
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computer at all at this point right and i'm trying to build a mineral oil one um
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i go through a lot of hardships including realizing that due to the fish
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rocks that i put in the bottom of the fish tank my power supply would no
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longer fit because i did all the sizing based on no fish rocks being there
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and it was like really hard to clear a spot for it blah blah blah blah so i
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unscrewed the casing on the power supply figured out that
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it was like a wrapped setup so it was screwed on one side but it wasn't like
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two completely separate metal panels so i had to like tear off the metal that
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was there and i ended up only having like little
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like wire cutters so i i was able to just get a tiny
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little snippet and then i had to literally rip the metal in half i think you might be the king of wrong tools
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yeah anyways i got it it it that's why there's like a jagged edge on one part
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of that part luke needs a condom which you know
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goes to the dollar store finds a balloon
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and it's like oh this end looks big enough
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surely the other one will stretch
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oh my god um
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but i get the power supply ripped and it fits now and that power supply still
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works actually i've used it recently which is hilarious um it's actually
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pretty old i'm really surprised it still works yeah uh everything fits i get all
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the oil in and i've i've turned i turned it on i did the old thing you turn the
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computer on before you put it in the case which is good yeah we did that and
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it worked fine then i submerged it press the power button nothing happened
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and i just freaked out because i'm a kid i don't have enough money to buy these
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components again right no one's going to give me a return on oil soaked
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components oh they sure why it's not going to happen so i'm like try that sometime but i'm sorry carry on i
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i have no idea what's going on i'm freaking out it's really early in the
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morning for whatever i have an evga motherboard
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for whatever reason i was like i'm going to call evga tech support
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i don't know why i picked that component yeah because it could have been anything
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that was i have no idea yeah i just was like i need to call someone and the dude
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on the phone was like really calm and really patient
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i felt like i was calling 911. um
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hello computer enthusiast please state your emergency
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and i start trying to explain what's going on and like he he finally eventually i don't know if
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he's heard of mineral cooling before at this point or not but uh
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he's like you know what what i'm gonna do i'm gonna add a note to your account
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saying that like if we get any components in that have a little oil on
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it it's okay that was nuts he did that he actually
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did that and then he's like okay i want you to go through
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like taking it out and like reseeding some of the components
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for me and he stayed on the freaking line the whole time and i i put him on speaker and i
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reseated a whole bunch of components and i put everything back in and it turned
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on and worked that was like the greatest customer
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support call i've ever had in my entire life and it was basically did you try
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unplugging it and plugging it back in yeah that was where we were going with this thank you that only took about 10
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minutes
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but anyway that was just amazing that's that's i i almost never have customer
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support calls but that was that was really fantastic no one's come close
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since then all right so let's jump over to this
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g-sync news um basically
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uh pc per disassembled their rg swift pg27uq because those guys have balls of
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steel it's a two thousand dollar monitor and they found that the g-sync module is
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a newer version than the first generation g-sync monitors which
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i think we've known for like two years
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that new g-sync like faster g-sync was
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going to require a new module anyway the
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exact model of fpga is an area
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area anyway 10gx480
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which is a high performance 20 nanometer soc that provides enough bandwidth and
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lvds pins in order to process this huge
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4k 144 hertz data stream
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it is sold in low quantities for 2
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000 for the fpga alone at digikey and mouser
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but assuming that NVIDIA buys thousands pc per is suggesting that the price of
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this chip alone will add 500
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to the monitor's bom cost it is further increased by the three gigabytes of ddr4
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memory on the module and the added licensing fees for g-sync
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so if even just the three gigs like that stuff's expensive right now that stuff's
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really expensive right now so here's the bizarre thing
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about g-sync is that from the consumer standpoint i
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know a lot of people feel very strongly that NVIDIA should just adopt adaptive
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sync or freesync and just kind of
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get on board with the rest of the industry i mean
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they are now up against more than just AMD like it used to be NVIDIA versus AMD
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g-sync freesync and AMD had a handful of partners that were that were rushing
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freesync monitors to market um but now NVIDIA is up against a much
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larger tide in the industry as a whole samsung
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is going to be supporting freesync on upcoming tvs
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that to me is huge you combine that with
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the freesync support on the xbox and now it's like whoa whoa now hold
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hold on just a gosh darn minute whether you have a pc or whether you have a
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console yeah if you want a game on a monitor or on a tv if you want all of
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those things and the ability to interconnect all of them
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freesync is the only solution on the market today
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it's probably going to stay that way and a lot of people are assuming that the
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only reason that NVIDIA would not adopt
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the industry standard solution is in order to make more money on their
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licensing but i'm kind of looking at this going
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like hold on a minute if there wasn't more to it than that
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why would NVIDIA pay somewhere in the neighborhood of 500
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for these modules why would they why would they hurt the
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competitiveness of g-sync monitors
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available on the market if they didn't have to
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and then you go you go back again and you go now okay well hold on a second
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here g-sync on notebooks doesn't have
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this fpga
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so they found a way to do it with the embedded displayport connection
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but not with the standard i you know i think
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we haven't really done a guest in a long time i think this news merits
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asking tom peterson from NVIDIA boy to come on
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the show and explain why the actual ball sack
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they would spend all this money and lock variable refresh rate down to
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this proprietary solution
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if there is hurt the competitors of their own products yeah
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because because imagine imagine that you're NVIDIA talking to
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lg or tcl or samsung you're talking to a
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major like panel and television manufacturer
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and you're going have i got a deal for you
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we're going to have you take your existing scaler
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i know it's cheap but you know you're gonna throw that away okay you're
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gonna take our scaler which doesn't have all these fancy component inputs that
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people might need for their legacy devices it doesn't take six hdmis in it's pretty
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basic we want you to spend 500 on it
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sound good why would they do that if they don't
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have to and then why would they go and put a bunch of RAM on it if they don't
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have to is there see okay so
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i've used freesync and aside from some of the limitations
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of the early monitors where the freesync range was not very helpful like it
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didn't go down low enough i don't personally notice a huge
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difference like is this the kind of thing where i have to pull out a phantom camera in
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order to see the the difference in the way the monitors are refreshing is that
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something we should do we should we should talk to tom though okay if that's
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something we should do then sure but we could get what we should do from
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him okay all right
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all right i think giving tom a chance
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i'm gonna email him right now uh no no i'm emailing him right now
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can you guys come on our show and
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explain g-sync this is all in the subject line
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got a lot of our viewers i mean really this is me asking you guys
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don't seem that concerned got a lot of our viewers wondering
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why it needs a 2 000 fpga
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and three gigs of RAM he's legitimately doing this right now Linus you know chad
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seems to be asking for it right now thanks Linus
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um okay so formal
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yeah you know what i'll throw in the thanks every once in a while
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i'll throw in the things it was still basically a one-liner yeah but it's kind
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of thanks you know tom tom's i respect tom a lot by the way tom's sounds great
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super cool so was the other person included in the email yeah yeah so if
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anyone can explain this to me i think our pr contact gets upset when i go
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straight to tom because tom is not technically pr or marketing or anything
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he's not technically like an outward facing he's really good at it yeah he's
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like awesome yeah so it's you know i really want to talk to tom about it because he can put something like
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we are spending 500 for lols into a
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perspective that might make sense yeah because if there's anything i know about
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NVIDIA it's that they don't spend money unnecessarily
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all right let's jump into our next topic here
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uh this was posted by rubber puppy on the forum
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and i'd like to open this with a statement from the uh current coo of
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Floatplane media does Floatplane media now or intend in
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the future to alter or um disfigure in any way
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the thumbnail that a creator would upload to the platform
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for their viewers no uh not only does that seem
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uh i'm trying to be pr happy right here not
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only does that seem stupid just drop the pr happiness uh that's not pr but that
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that literally just sounds like unnecessary work and we have a lot of
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other stuff to do
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so let's just let's jump over to my not only do i not
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get the point but it sounds like a bunch of work here's a post from rayo
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a larson garasia oh wow i'm not even you
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know forget forget that i ever tried um hello team youtube
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i would like to know why are not the thumbnails of the videos on my channel
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what happens is that all my videos had thumbnails and now they are no longer
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seen what a tremendous tremendous concern to have
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um this is good so to youtube's credit now
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going back to going back to being appreciative of youtube for a minute
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here to youtube's credit they replied yeah thank you team youtube that's
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absolutely surprising good job i'm not a super huge
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fan of their reply we are running a small experiment where 0.3 of viewers
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will see an auto-generated thumbnail instead of your custom thumbnail
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okay we're not removing the ability to create your custom thumbnail we're just not
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going to show it to some people we're doing this to gain insight on
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auto-generated thumbnails for the future something to consider too is point three
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percent sounds automatically like oh absolutely tiny amount of people but
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it's freaking youtube so 0.3 is actually
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i have no idea but i'm assuming in the millions of people this is actually a
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lot of people it's not a lot in comparison to the
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entire whole of people that use youtube but it's a lot of people
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there's someone with like a research degree that's going after them super ham
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for for not doing this properly there's the comments on this twitter thread are
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glorious i heard back from NVIDIA already they're saying it doesn't cost
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two thousand dollars so that's good we've we've confirmed now that they are indeed
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getting a volume discount which we assumed before um
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but uh i don't have any information other than that yeah we knew that so i'm
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just i just i've replied uh saying well okay yes but uh we like we still want to
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know yeah so just come talk to us about g-sync dude yeah they don't even
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necessarily have to be that they should be happy anytime tom gets in front of people they
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like love NVIDIA more so they shouldn't yeah they shouldn't be afraid to push
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just come come flex your tech and we can that can be like part of it but we can
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talk about more things all right so there's so there's a couple things here
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number one i personally am of the mind that point
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three percent is not that big of a deal even in the context of a channel that
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gets two million views a day which is where we're kind of sitting these days
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we're a little low right now so hold on per channel yeah but i mean usually
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times point and that's not i don't i don't
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actually think views is the right way to do it
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okay they could be whale users but if it's no no no it's a random distribution
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not even that because you're looking at people who it's going to come down to a
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choice decision and with how youtube's algorithm works right now if they don't
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click on your video it might not come back so you could
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be getting cut 0.3 of your users because
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now they're not clicking on it because it looks weird so the impact could be
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could be hurt yeah okay so that would be 60 000 views a day it could potentially
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hit us for us assuming that it's just a one-time a one-time thing which is
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honestly not the end of the world but 60 000 people a day that might not see your
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video in sub boxes anymore i'm over it
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but i have deeper concerns i have other
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concerns my other concerns are to do with
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why are they doing research into auto generated thumbnails if there isn't some
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kind of purpose to the experiment and the only purpose that i can think of
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to say an experiment that goes hey what would happen if we just used
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auto-generated thumbnails instead of user-created thumbnails is that they are
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considering using them yeah
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that's the only reason to run this experiment that makes sense to my non-ai
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algorithmic brain and question for you i'm going to almost flip sides a little
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bit here yep would that be that bad right now we have click bait cancer all
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of our thumbnails i'm leaving that up to the audience so i've actually brought up
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our dashboard here and i'm gonna screen share with you guys let's go ahead and
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pop up my screen here all right so this video right here went up today
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high school for gamers uh actually this is not our original thumbnail design for
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it it originally had me holding up a legitimate esports textbook which was
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hilarious by the way esports textbook amazing
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so we've got a few different options here we've got actually do you want to
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do you want a straw poll cursed and we just need a couple options do you
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prefer our custom one or do you prefer one of the auto-generated thumbnails so
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this is high school for gamers we've got me standing holding a book in front of a
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plant we've got me standing in sort of a dark room it's hard to see my face and
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then we've got me standing outside of a building and then we've got sort of
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bigger me with people gaming behind me okay so there's example number one we're
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gonna we're gonna do a few we're gonna do a few here uh here let's try this one
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this laptop does everything sort of we've got me holding up laptops we've
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got some people sitting around eating what is presumably cake
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we've got some people sitting at a table and we've got actually me holding
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laptops okay all right but i'm not gonna i'm not
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gonna lead you guys too much i want you guys to to conclude for me
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uh let's try do dual CPU sockets matter
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this video didn't perform very well so maybe we would have been better off
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you know i actually don't mind this one hmm
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okay this one's do you think do you think the top one
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that does suck that's like yeah that does suck uh do you think the top one is
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the one that it would pick though i don't know it might just be one of it
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might be like random um okay let's try why do we need so many
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servers
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okay this one wow we would have thought it was a tech
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linked episode with riley with that one so that would have been terrible that's
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not great uh this is just me and kind of a dark mess hard to tell anything
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this is just me in the editing den it's hard to tell
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like having a picture of the server does seem pretty helpful for this one
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is there any other examples you want to you want to see some people in chat are
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saying that they pick the middle thumbnail and other people are just keep on saying
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that it picks the second one or the second one is the best blah blah blah
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interesting okay all right why is everyone buying this monitor okay let's
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try this one sorry you guys i know this is taking a little while but this is
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this is live research okay so it managed to grab our end card so that's not
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helpful for sure it managed to grab me standing in the
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kitchen i am looking at a monitor though again the second one's okay though but
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the second one is okay it's me sitting there with a monitor in front of me
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uh do you have those straw poll results yeah um where will i how will i get them
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spamming them in chat so if you just go to chat okay cool i'm gonna go i'm gonna
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go check out chat i'm gonna go grab that and bring it up bam oh i missed all right click dick
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dang it i found actually one of the better ways to do it is to put your mouse where it
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will be and then wait for chat to bump it and then click there i've actually
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i've actually found that that works bad solutions for stupid problems
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okay so even though we did see some pretty good examples in there of
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thumbnails that actually looked not bad
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80 percent of you are saying that you would prefer the custom creator
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thumbnails at least in our case and i know that there are some creators out
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there that are not doing a good job super amusing of of
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uh in good faith creating a thumbnail that is representative of the content
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yeah um but still an 80 to 20
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vote here is is a pretty overwhelming majority that looks pretty clear to me
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that you guys have you guys have spoken someone in chat 80 of chat has bad taste
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well moving on there
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actually we should get our we should get our sponsors out of the way yeah um i
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believe one of them is ltx 2018
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ltx is the oh that's weird
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ltx is the interactive meetup and oops
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meetup and interactive tech event it'll be on july 14th at the richmond olympic
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oval here in richmond british columbia canada current booths include a blind
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cable management competition brought to you by cablemod i want to do that i will
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take you online that's actually way more interesting a delidding workshop so
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bring your cpus we will show you how to delid them case toss 2.0 now with
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more safety multi-headed vr
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alan 10k ultra wide gaming which by the way
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is curved i thought it was 12k it was
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gonna be 12k but then we settled on um
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uh 3440 by uh 1440 ultra wides instead
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of the 4k ones and i will say that it is
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a better experience doing it this way the extra pixels were
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not contributing much and the extra size probably would have been unnecessary
28:33
because it already uh takes up a ginormous significant port have you seen
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it no it's actually built oh it will be there like it's confirmed now before we
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were just kind of hoping Corsair ASUS vertigo cable mod bs mods free geek
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alpha cool and i buy power will all be at the event with a ton of more brands
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sending swag and to give you guys some idea of the swag NVIDIA has sent six
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titan x's six 1080 ti's and a whole bunch of other
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stuff so we are actually thinking they won't sponsor us but they'll give us
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stuff to give away that's actually that's pretty cool sure i mean they make ltx pretty sweet
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yeah so far two years in a row so what we were thinking is instead of just doing a bunch of draws on the stage
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because that kind of took forever and was kind of tedious it did we're going to make so many things there like
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competitions cool so like the blind cable management thing you might win a
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titan so we want to drive participation yeah
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come hang out tickets start at 35 canadian and you can check them out at
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the link below or ltxexpo.com
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there's also going to be custom merch that you can't get other places oh
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there's also going to be custom merch apparently that you won't be able to get
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other than at ltx i want so wow that's kind of a dick move well like so the
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customers that you actually can't get anywhere else is ltx merch oh it's an
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ltx but also oh we have lanyards too right yeah we have
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lanyards cool and then there's also one design that our
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guy has created that is going to be on sale later but
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you can't get it anywhere else and it's really cool and it's going to be cheaper
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oh it'll be cheaper at ltx okay cool and like more color varieties and stuff all
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tips with dashes not possible all right so that won't be
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a thing maybe we should just create our own like genius link or something we could do
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yeah i guess we could do that all right getting back into the news we actually
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have a lot of topics oh what what oh no i already did that we did it right
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at the beginning yeah bye bye all right
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so we've got some rumors to talk about this was posted by numlock21 on the
31:09
forum the original article is from wccf tech and i won't say that i know
31:15
anything about this because i don't which is great because it means that i
31:18
can just talk about the rumors that i've heard this is probably accurate
31:24
yeah there's a rumored core i9 coming to z390 um it's rumored to be an eight core
31:30
processor with 16 threads which is
31:34
absolutely killer because for me there's a fly by the way eight core was really
31:38
the threshold that i bumped into um when video encoding mind you this was a while
31:42
ago it might have improved since then when video encoding with uh GPU
31:46
assistance in adobe premiere and adobe media encoder okay
31:50
so if i had a really high speed 8 core
31:54
that also had an Intel integrated GPU so i could use quick sync yeah
31:59
that had the potential to be the best of all
32:02
worlds and six cores wasn't quite enough
32:06
so i am really hoping that this will be uh apparently they're
32:11
oh branding at core i9 that's wow why are they muddying the waters why didn't
32:16
they just make high-end desktop core i9 and mainstream core i7 to i3 like what
32:20
are they doing um i'm excited for mainstream to be
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eight core i think that'll be a really big deal yeah once mainstream has been
32:29
eight core for like three years that'll be really good for software
32:33
development and game development and stuff that'd be very nice
32:37
i just my only thing with this is like
32:41
of course i don't know
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well i i don't know they could have stuck with six cores i mean their six cores are actually reasonably
32:49
competitive even with ryzen two oh i don't necessarily mean about the 9900k
32:53
to be fair oh i see what you mean yeah yeah like uh Intel is making more processors
32:59
oh i see yeah the the individual details if they're true that is interesting but
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it's a rumor so the rumor is that a core
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i7 9700k would be six core 12 thread
33:10
direct replacement for the 8700k and the 9600k would be six core six thread so
33:15
direct replacement for the 8600k what i would expect and this won't be
33:20
popular is that because they are creating a new model number and they're
33:24
giving it a core i9 designation i would expect this to be positioned as a more
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expensive option what we've seen over the last four or five generations now
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going from 2600k to 3770k to 4770k
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to 4790k to 5775c
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that was short-lived to 6700k
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to 7700k is every generation Intel has
33:49
bumped the performance by five to ten percent and they've uh
33:53
put a few bucks on the price how much do you think it will cost but basically not
33:57
much more than adjusting for inflation i think this time we are going to see
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the top tier sku on the mainstream platform cost a significant amount more
34:05
i wouldn't be surprised if even with ryzen
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oh yeah barking at their tails i think so i don't think that from
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Intel's perspective verizon challenges
34:14
the mainstream k-chips because their positioning of these chips
34:18
is that they're forgiving an i9 because those are crazy expensive yes and no the cheapest
34:23
i9s uh core i9 let's see well that would be what like
34:28
an it's oh um
34:32
70 is there a 78 something k
34:36
i can't remember oh man this is a laptop chip why why do
34:41
i even why do i even bother going to Intel's website when there's wikipedia
34:45
oh no okay yeah you're right core i9s start at a thousand dollars that's
34:49
that's like not really this one won't be like that though i think this one will
34:53
be like a hundred dollars more okay so so from because that's a pretty big
34:57
shift for them yes it kind of actually makes sense but it's
35:01
a big shift yep so i think this will be like a hundred dollars more and i think
35:04
the justification will be that this is the fastest gaming chip and it's also a
35:08
really versatile uh sort of cheapo workstation chip
35:12
because you will get to use the cheaper consumer chipset which does save you
35:17
some money yeah all right
35:21
NVIDIA's new nda requirements for early hardware
35:26
this was posted by athen immortal on the forum and the original article here was
35:30
from tech powerup um so basically i'm glad we used the
35:35
tech power up article yeah um yeah
35:38
because they are pretty much they went full editorial yeah we don't basically
35:43
think that that is that big of a deal
35:47
um it was a so this whole situation is very awkward yeah so german tech
35:52
application de i don't know if i said that right
35:55
probably not um
35:58
they felt that this latest update suggested to them
36:02
that NVIDIA was mandating positive reviews
36:06
in order to get access to hardware they weren't tech power up disagrees i
36:10
disagree i actually hadn't gotten a copy because
36:13
our video contact sent it to luke who sat on it for weeks instead of pointing
36:17
it too okay no i gotta follow up a week after the
36:21
deadline hey Linus is anyone from your organization gonna sign this i never saw
36:25
and then i got your forward after i had sent the signed one back to him already
36:29
i know did you if you noticed from the forward it was not a reply to the original email oh okay i don't think i
36:34
got the two week old email okay and that email was like a day or two old at that
36:38
point so anyway it wasn't that bad i read through it actually as far as ndas
36:43
go it was pretty plain jane it was like two pages
36:47
didn't have anything terrifying in it like there's some ndas out there
36:51
that are scary like we're working on getting this really unique graphics card
36:56
that actually outputs over Ethernet uh yeah it's super cool they're nda
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really cool
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much bigger much bigger much bigger um NVIDIA's was actually for a company
37:09
that size in particular like we've worked with some big multinationals in
37:13
the past especially on like sponsored projects and there's you should explain
37:16
more why it's not that big of a deal because a lot of people read it and still thought it was really bad probably
37:20
because they're just not used to reading legalese or ndas well it's because the
37:24
the wording that says the recipient shall use
37:28
confidential information solely for the benefit of NVIDIA
37:32
means that while the product is nda'ed
37:36
you are not supposed to be uh say for example taking this this unreleased
37:42
graphics card and lending it to your buddy over at AMD so that they can run
37:47
benchmarks on it so that they'll know ahead of time what the performance will
37:50
be when the nda means when the nda lifts
37:54
the solely for the benefit of NVIDIA thing
37:57
also lifts and besides the interpretation of solely
38:02
for the benefit of NVIDIA could be very
38:05
broadly interpreted like you could say that constructive criticism
38:10
is for the benefit of NVIDIA that would be that would be that would be a fairly
38:14
easy legal defense like it's not nearly as
38:19
restrictive as as it might be made out to be and like we
38:23
you know when NVIDIA does something wrong um like for example their uh GeForce
38:28
partner program and uh i don't feel like we pulled any punches on that
38:32
uh luke has made his feelings on GeForce experience very abundantly clear over
38:37
the years um which okay i actually i will take
38:40
this opportunity to add for them they've done a huge improvement oh i know when
38:45
you when you no no i don't use it either but this is that's the point i'm talking
38:48
about you know how before if you did express install
38:52
it would install i actually did notice that yeah that's actually super cool
38:56
yeah so it doesn't make you install it anymore yeah thank you that's actually
38:59
awesome i've hammered on them so much about GeForce experience so i have to
39:03
give them the positive kudos at the same time about making it so that there's now
39:07
when you go to the express stall it's like express with GeForce experience or
39:11
express without i did notice that that's a absolutely totally acceptable good
39:15
enough option we've got how about NVIDIA releasing 1030s with ddr4 memory that's
39:20
what you get for buying a 1030.
39:23
you don't buy low-end graphics cards we've made multiple videos about that
39:27
here let's let's just low end graphics card gamersnexus made a recent one about
39:31
it too all you have to do all you have to do is google it let me google that
39:36
for you technically youtube is google low-end video cards rant are they still
39:40
terrible spoiler yes low end video card rant and Radeon r7 240 unboxing and
39:44
review spoiler yes um where's gamer's nexus's video
39:50
i think it's pretty new
39:53
it's about the 10 30 or whatever dang it which is probably picture get your
39:58
get your freaking seo okay there you go gamer's next
40:02
system the disgrace of a graphics card gt 1030 tdr4 is probably that video is
40:06
probably why that person said that thing in twitch chat that is my assumption right
40:10
but that's what you get for buying a 1030 instead of a last generation 900
40:15
series decent card as far as i know 1030s are for like
40:20
the the person that walks into best buy needs to plug in more monitors and
40:24
doesn't know any better because the cold hard truth and i've got i've had people
40:28
just completely not listen so many times
40:32
to mine and yours for that matter criticisms of low-end graphics cards
40:36
saying well some people just don't have that much money to spend on a
40:41
better one then buy used
40:44
it's like the whole point of scrapyard wars
40:48
a lot of people like we have had very good experiences with this if you bring
40:52
your rig we'll let you test it just test it a lot of honestly a lot of the hardware
40:57
community these these dudes will even like let you into their house to where
41:01
their computer is to test it there i'm not being some kind of you know elitist
41:08
you know oh well then you should just spend more on your graphics card that's
41:12
not the point no the point is that brand new garbage is still garbage whereas
41:18
used diamonds are still diamonds this
41:22
might be a little slightly scratched up or something i'm i'm getting all mad and
41:26
i shouldn't let myself get this stressed out about it
41:30
it's just stupid uh someone asked when is scrapyard where's coming oh
41:35
two weeks to Floatplane to Floatplane
41:38
so it'll be a week after that um we had
41:41
talked about Floatplane being more ready for prime time by the time
41:45
scrapyard wars comes where are we at on that um
41:49
there uh can i do a big push go sign up
41:52
for Floatplane it's gonna be amazing scrap yard worse i'm hoping are you guys
41:56
ready we have some cool things coming there's obviously been some uh minor
42:00
shake up as you've heard of recently yeah so we'll have to see how we react to that but there is some cool things
42:04
coming notifications are going to be working soon um some parts of it are
42:09
already working oh we're not like launching that part yet until all of
42:12
it's working uh discord integrations and stuff we're going to be working soon
42:16
there's there's some really cool things coming down the pipe uh
42:19
if we can get it done fast enough all right cool i'm excited you know what i
42:23
should just i should just do it we are gonna we are gonna
42:28
pimp at the look on his face so much
42:31
concern it's frozen did it freeze why is it frozen why is it frozen there's the
42:35
stream stopped we're back ready all right yeah um okay now i was just
42:40
messing with you kevski 802. i was like oh god dedicated video on the ltd
42:45
channel 20 000 new users overnight
42:51
no uh the original article here is from
42:55
techcrunch uh and this looks pretty cool vr gloves okay luke go yes okay i've
43:01
wanted this so bad Linus has been playing this game what what is the game
43:05
box vr box vr i train boxing in real
43:08
life two times a week and i have wanted to do this box vr thing but my biggest
43:12
problem with it is that i don't want to hold the controllers yep because i think
43:16
that would be really weird i'm i've gotten very used to to boxing with my
43:20
boxing gloves on and uh i've been talking to haven't had the time but i've
43:24
been talking to him about how i want to get another pair of boxing gloves and mod the vive controller into the boxing
43:29
glove and now these guys have more or less done it for me i'm sure i can take their
43:34
design and attach it to a boxing glove super easy
43:37
very so that's awesome so uh in a nutshell um they're launching
43:42
out of y combinator's latest class of startups with ambitions to bring a
43:45
low-cost flexible glove into users hands or onto them as it were the plexus glove
43:50
relies on the existing tracking systems of the htc and oculus headsets so the
43:54
tracking sensors grab the position of where the hands are in space via the magnetically attached tracker ooh
43:59
magnetic that sounds bad uh yep i would just super glue it to the magnet i think
44:03
yeah or better glue uh after calibrating a resting state of the user's fingers
44:07
individual sensors communicate their position to the game engine very cool
44:11
very cool velcro straps secure the glove at your palm and the individual finger
44:15
controls hook onto the end of your fingertips with motors that offer
44:18
tactile feedback see this creates a problem for modding into a boxing glove
44:22
but i'll probably just ignore that part and just having gloves on and not having
44:25
to wear or not having to hold the controllers will be good enough
44:29
plexus is shipping the gloves with tool kits for unity and unreal game engines
44:33
developer kits are 249 per pair ouch shipping in august
44:38
yeah that's not cheap this is something that i've wanted for a long time believe it
44:43
or not i didn't know that i wanted it to be a battle royale and in fact i
44:46
probably didn't want it to be a battle royale but something that i have wanted
44:50
for a long time is much much greater
44:53
scale multiplayer experiences uh something that i had sort of envisioned
44:58
uh a number of years ago uh what's that uh what's that gamer savage no so savage
45:04
was uh let me let me make sure this is even the right name savage game
45:11
savage battle for new earth was this it
45:18
i think this was it so did i ever tell you about those lands i
45:22
used to run at uvic yeah with like the huge amounts of computers across
45:26
multiple computer Labs on multiple floors all this kind of stuff we would
45:29
play savage because this game supported some crazy amount of players
45:33
i don't remember the exact amount of players that it supported but we could
45:37
have doesn't say Labs versus Labs going
45:40
on oh the other one to 127
45:44
players on the team are field players yeah okay i actually didn't know this
45:49
was an actual thing this is exactly what i wanted yeah so this is an old game but
45:53
it's a very good like land pack you've got a huge amount of people for
45:57
some reason you want to get everyone into the game and like it was always really fun
46:02
because if i remember correctly this was like redstone like redstone was in this
46:06
game so i had redstone in my head i think it was called redstone
46:10
pre-minecraft and uh you'd have a whole lab you'd have
46:15
like the the leader of that team or the leader of that lab go like we need
46:19
redstone and then the whole lab is just like roadstone you see everyone in the
46:23
game just run over to go get it it's so much fun
46:26
and you have to fight each other and you like level up and you spawn in his
46:29
different things and it's like this whole combat rts mix like one person on each
46:34
team is playing an rts game right all the other players are playing like the minions
46:38
it's it's it's old it's very old yeah
46:42
interesting but it's it's fun so imagine that
46:46
with like a thousand people yeah and
46:50
yeah super cool so uh if anyone i i was really into supreme commander that's one
46:54
of the games that i was most into out of
46:57
any game like i think i was top 500 at one point which it wasn't a huge
47:01
community but i was pretty good at it um
47:06
imagine for a moment did you ever play sup com
47:10
i did a little bit okay so it has large vehicles like i forget what they were
47:14
called but they were like tier four tier four vehicles um that were like these
47:18
huge things where you could potentially man something like that with like 20 or
47:22
30 people so imagine a 1 000 player version of something like
47:28
savage with just like kind of and the way that
47:31
um subcom had a lot of really cheap swarmy type units yeah so imagine a game
47:36
like that with 500 b 500 with like all
47:41
these different roles so you could potentially run around as a marine or
47:44
you could be like a gunner on like this
47:48
you know big land crawler tank thing or being a heli with three dudes
47:52
would be cool if it was like local voice and you like had to engage in local
47:56
voice so if you're in that giant mammoth tank with 20 people you've got like the
48:01
the driver like telling what's coming up telling people
48:05
to like reload different sides all this kind of stuff you actually have to use
48:09
like your comm system to talk to anyone that isn't nearby like this sounds like
48:14
a gaming experience that would probably be too hardcore for the fortnite kids
48:18
oh i'd love it though but i think it's the kind of thing that
48:22
could be a completely different level of fun one
48:26
thing i really really enjoyed and i know you haven't played this game but it's called it's called black wake um and i
48:31
was really hoping this was what uh microsoft's pirate game was gonna be
48:35
like but it wasn't really but i don't even remember what microsoft's power
48:38
game is called at this point um but in black wake you drop into a new game and
48:44
you're on a you're on a pirate ship you're sailing in the ocean and you have to fight other people's pirate ships but
48:50
your your captain like it's you're in first person view
48:53
and you really can't see all that much if you're if you're the one doing things on deck right and you have to like get
48:58
the gunpowder and get the the cannonball
49:01
and you have to shove the gunpowder in the thing and shove the cannonball in the thing and then load the cannon and
49:05
then you can aim it and fire it so like you can't look where the boat's going so
49:09
the captain has to sail the boat and then like bark out like i'm lining up
49:13
for this side like port side port side and everyone's trying to reload the
49:16
cannons on port side the captain has to yell like there's there's a hole below
49:20
deck someone has to run below deck and try to patch it and bail the water out and all that is so planet side too free
49:25
to play massively multiplayer first person shooter um that has uh the
49:31
guinness world record for the biggest first-person shooter battle with 1158
49:35
players being recorded in a single battle i don't
49:38
but this doesn't have the rts element yeah i don't personally think it captures the same
49:42
the same idea um but it is i i've played a bit of
49:47
planetside 2 it it is sort of like that but yeah i don't think it quite captures
49:51
the same idea right part of the reason for me is i believe planetside 2 is a
49:55
persistent battle like foreversies it's not a match right
50:00
i think you can win and lose everything it's an mmo yeah you can win and lose
50:05
areas and like there will be a an individual battle for an individual
50:09
place and if one person wins or loses then it probably ends and whatnot but
50:12
it's not it's not the same type of type of thing
50:16
all right let's see what else we've got for our topics here oh right we didn't
50:20
even talk about mavericks so mavericks promises right posted by crunchy dragon
50:24
on the forum original article from pedestrian tv
50:27
earlier this year automation games revealed mavericks claiming its battle royale mode can support up to 400
50:31
players crazier yet some game modes the studio says will facilitate up to a
50:34
thousand concurrent players
50:37
okay a persistent environment means players will leave tracks wherever they
50:41
go and you'll be able to drop in and out at any time the world will continue to
50:45
exist and evolve whether you're there or not neat
50:49
and it'll be able to host up to a thousand players in any given server
50:52
google's game streaming service may have a hardware component this was originally
50:56
posted by master disaster on the forum the original article is from kotaku
51:03
so basically game developers conference in march google representatives met with
51:06
several big game companies to gauge interest in its streaming platform
51:09
codenamed yeti and this is yet another indication that whether you like it or
51:14
not cloud gaming is going to be a thing a
51:18
lot of people were so mad when i did that video on what's in videos called
51:22
again i know you mean but yeah i don't remember my head shield
51:27
something what's it called no no it's not called grid anymore
51:32
uh NVIDIA oh crap
51:36
it's it's not called gate game no uh
51:40
cloud gaming i can't remember what it's called GeForce now no um so a lot of
51:44
people were mad they were like they're gonna have to pry my hardware from my
51:48
cool dead fingers and you might be right but what's going to happen
51:51
is cloud gaming is going to happen whether you like it
51:55
or not and there's going to be much like um you know the xbox has gaming
52:01
experiences that are simply not available on the pc there's going to be
52:05
gaming experiences that are available on cloud gaming that will not be available
52:09
to those of you with graphics cards in your cold dead fingers
52:13
and graphics cards in pcs are also not
52:16
going away anytime soon just to be very clear but
52:20
i can imagine a scenario
52:23
where if every player was running off of
52:26
the same data center effectively you could actually enable massively
52:31
multiplayer experiences more easily
52:34
so the latency instead of being between the persistent environment and every
52:38
individual player because you'd have effectively like zero latency within the
52:43
data center would be between every player and their own connection to the
52:47
persistent world i actually foresee a way to create gaming experiences that
52:53
otherwise wouldn't be possible yeah that's why it will exist and i hadn't
52:58
actually thought of that until i said it just now but
53:02
there's nothing you can do this is happening
53:05
and it also helps that massive companies like google are jumping into the fray
53:09
it's not just going to be NVIDIA playing by themselves with some smaller startups
53:13
yeah uh i don't necessarily know if i like it or not but i i do think it's
53:17
gonna happen it might be i i feel like it would be cool if there was like
53:23
some games you know how like wow has a subscription some mmos have
53:26
subscriptions you're gonna pay for a subscription anyways
53:30
whatever if it's a game that makes sense to have a subscription for
53:33
whatever but i see it coming to the point where it's like downloading games
53:37
instead of buying physical copies where like people are like oh yeah it's
53:40
just easier so i'm just gonna do it anyways and then it bites people in the butt later when now they have download
53:45
caps and games are 100 gigs um and other things start happening yeah
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not to mention that multiplayer just goes away once the game dev doesn't feel
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like it anymore yeah like that kind of stuff uh so google took meetings at e3
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in los angeles a few weeks ago apparently the company is looking not just to woo game developers to the yeti
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service but to buy development studios entirely oh that's interesting oh boy
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whispers have been quieter around google's hardware whatever that might
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look like but the rumors suggest it will link up with the streaming service in
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some way it's not clear if they want to compete with the technical specs of like
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a new gen playstation or xbox or whether it'll be cheaper and low end relying on
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the streaming server servers to pull their weight
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google has apparently been on a massive hiring spree bringing in experienced
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video game developers and marketers from ea playstation and other top companies
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interesting uh this was posted by friendly non-murdering sort on the forum
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thank you for that this is super cool Android messages for web now available
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for everyone the original article is from google.com you can use your
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computer to chat with your friends through messages for web which shows
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what's on your messages mobile app it's about time messages got some attention
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hey like it didn't even have cloud sync until like
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it just started working for me very recently i was like oh holy crap my
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messages are still there when i switch phones how did this take so long and
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just so you guys know to get it yourself oh no this isn't even the right link
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where is it messages for web sends sms messages
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using a connection from your computer to your phone so carrier fees will apply
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just like on the mobile app this is not like um imessage okay it's not databased
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still but once wow i keep forgetting what they're
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calling it once the new uh check once chat rolls out i see no reason why i
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wouldn't be able to use data so if you go to messages.Android.com
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it will give you the super super easy instructions on how to sync it you just
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click on the triple dot thing in messages it'll bring up a
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like a qr code reader scan it you're done
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and i've used it a fair amount already because i've been coordinating a stag
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and people that aren't on some other messaging system to be able to write out
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a massive message with my keyboard and then just copy paste blah blah blah
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way easier you can pair it on multiple devices but only one will be active at a
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time um Corsair is acquiring elgato gaming this
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was posted by kuikolka on the forum i'm hoping that this situation is amazing
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because i've had a super intense frustration with them for a long time
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which is where they only support Windows 10 on their devices right so you want Corsair to go and
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invest heavier into wider i doubt it
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but good luck what about new devices though because of course if they make
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like stream deck 2 or like some new capture card so my hope
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is actually less to do with capture and more to do with
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taking stream deck technology and putting it into keyboards
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so Corsair's gaming keyboards are already pretty cool but elgato has
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clearly done a lot of work on remember the um the art lebadev optimus keyboard
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from back in the day if you guys don't know what that is look it up yeah it's pretty cool individual display on
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everything or something um so so i would love to
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see Corsair take that technology and
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make it actually useful and Corsair is pretty good make the keys more durable so that if
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you press on them they don't like ruin the screen below it and stuff like that
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stuff like that yeah that'd be really cool um even if they just did it as like
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a g key area yep i wouldn't even i wouldn't get your
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hopes up though i know what you want i don't know why
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you want it so Windows 7 is like it's done man it's done that's not even that
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i usually don't want but Windows 7 is what i have to use for my sword for my
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argument because that's where the majority of users are but someone found
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i should have been able to find this but i didn't but someone found that there is
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the like history log of versions and on one of the versions the only
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thing stopping at work from on Windows 7 8 and 8.1 is a flag that checks if you
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have the right operating system so someone made a wrapper that just ignores
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that flag and you can just install it on whatever
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operating system you want and it works completely fine it doesn't have like if
58:04
i remember correctly it doesn't have like twitter video integration or something
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and i'm like wow i don't care right so yeah i'm just gonna do that and it'll
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work on my computer just fine but last topic of the day you'll probably be
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excited or uh apprehensive this is off news.xbox.com and it was
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posted by master disaster on the forum which is actually a great great username
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uh halo tv series set to begin filming in 2019.
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is it live action showtime president and ceo david nevins has announced the
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network has ordered a 10-episode season based on the halo game franchise
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kyle killen awake will serve as executive producer writer and showrunner
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rupert wyatt rise of the planet of the apes will direct multiple episodes and
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also executive produce the hour-long series which enters production in early
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2019. okay
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so it is not clear to me if it is live
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action or animated uh it's possible that some people know
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that i think that a massive massive mistake was making the
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warcraft movie live action did you ever see it uh based on how terrible you told
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me it was i didn't bother okay yeah but you played warcraft you saw the amazing
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cinematics i played warcraft
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like not two yeah and not three did you not play two and three oh i did play two
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in it yeah okay i just mean i was just feeling kind of old because
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you were like you played warcraft and i was like yes
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yeah i did i i played it too to be fair i played it
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many many many years later just to see what it was about uh it's not very good
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no it's actually pretty like kind of bad yeah and the ai is like super super
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brutal so bad but uh the cinematics in warcraft have
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always been amazing yeah and yeah uh world of warcraft cinematics
59:56
same idea absolutely amazing cinematics and then we get the movie and it's live
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action like they they have in my opinion
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possibly the best cinematics in gaming there's some argument there with square
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enix yeah square enix has some really amazing stuff too in my opinion it's it's
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closer or better but and it's hard to make that argument because
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you have to go back very far and kind of compare era by era because
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they've both done in my opinion it's been them they've both done arguably a
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better job of cinematics than games at multiple points in their histories yeah
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sometimes it's not even arguably it's just like clearly that's way better um
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and so there probably kind of depends on which one going together the whole time
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blizzard has been incredible at cinematics and then they make a live
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action movie and i just every single time that i see a warcraft or starcraft
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or whatever the overwatch cinematic from blizzard
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i'm like holy crap this is gold everything about this is perfect and
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then you see live action it's just what are you doing so i i hope halo is
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not live there's nothing here about whether it's live action or
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rendered on the xbox.com article anyway maybe people are telling us in twitch
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chat yeah i haven't seen any in twitch chat all right
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so that's pretty much it oh mickey555 says i love the movie and that you are a
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hater no you probably just don't know things about warcraft
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wow um and on that note uh thank you for tuning
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in to the WAN Show we will see you again next week same bat time same bat channel
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wow
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dang it's live action a whole bunch of people are saying it's live it's live
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action all right and no i didn't find my cat thank you for asking
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you are a straight up savage
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someone else replied warcraft made me want to couch my eyes out wow
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that's a little aggressive