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about no well we're live now so if you want to

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ask me if we're talking about it then i guess we're pretty much talking about it

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no we're not no no we're not oh what what what is it well i can't what no you

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can't we're live now you can't tease me like that you can't be like hey are we

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gonna talk about and then just they're here it's embarrassing

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oh like that yeah i actually have no idea what you're talking about

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we have a great show this week yeah um

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it might not be the WAN Show but like somewhere someone will have a

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great

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show i'm looking at the show on my laptop and it looks

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so over saturated

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the problem is that we're using a gaming monitor oh our color calibration

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that's our issue that's where we're running into trouble

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here so we've been so first of all

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first of all our camera people came in and cranked a black magic cinema camera

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to 1600 iso so it basically properly lit

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room my shirt just looked like it looked like a bunch of like little

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bugs crawling around on my shirt um because of all the noise

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so much noise and then we tried to fix it ourselves

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which resulted in the visual feast in front of you today

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it's a very saturated feast so that's that that's where we're at on this all

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right what do we got for topics is there anything worth listening to or should

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people just tune out now uh no they should definitely stay tuned there's

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there's a couple things that i think will be relatively interesting uh the

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first topic i don't think is that interesting um there's there's an lg

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giveaway that we can talk about yeah you can get some lg stuff that's cool

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actually you can get a whole gaming slash workstation machine should we just do that now sure okay um so last chance

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to enter the hive mind pc giveaway sponsored by lg the winner gets a pc

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with an estimated value of about two thousand dollars depending on which

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parts the audience chose as a whole oh so it's like a

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voting thing okay you also get an lg 38wk95c monitor so it's a 38 inch

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3840x1600 ultra wide so we're looking for ideas on how to

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spice up the build and the stream so i will be streaming the build of it live

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that's fun and then one lucky winner will get exactly

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that machine so uh it's worldwide with

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no age restriction how the heck are they doing that that doesn't what that

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doesn't sound uh like something that big companies with legal departments

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normally do so here's a link in the twitch chat to where you guys can uh go

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check out the gleam io information about it including quebec i guess

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which never happens entries close at midnight pacific

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tonight june 29th so don't miss it

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um what else we got uh g-sync HDR modules at 500 to the

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monitor price g-sync is expensive this and more breaking news yeah i think we

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already knew g-sync normal modules were 300 bucks so the fact that the price

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went up should not be super surprising um great news great news uh youtube

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experiments with custom thumbnails just coming in saving the day thank you

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again youtube appreciate it thank you youtube that was

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great i actually had a call with youtube today

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and like out of respect for my partner manager i won't discuss any of the

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specifics of my call because i am very

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appreciative that youtube talks to me yeah because they are not always that

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communicative you'd be surprised if that's a relatively new thing yeah it's

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it's it's it's amazeballs um but i will say that the tone of the call

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on my side was very grateful i'm grateful to youtube

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and our google overlords for making

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our job at float play media easier so much easier

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um there's also rumors because you all know i love rumors of an i9

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9900k i almost wish they went just for

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full full gold and when i nine ninety nine ninety nine k well it'll be over

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nine that's fair um NVIDIA's new nda

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requirement to get access to early hardware is this a giant scandal or is

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it a mountain being made out of a molehill not even a molehill more on

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this at 11. it's like one speck of dirt no no at 11. okay

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uh no that's it i'm rolling the intro 11.

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did you see this i haven't actually it's actually like exactly what i wanted to make remember i

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was telling you oh really it's literally it okay well we'll have to check that

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out then

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how do i get into the dashboard i use twitch so little

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and their settings menus are garbage where's the chat i love you twitch but your settings menus are i just want a

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chat oh right oh i forgot to whoops

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hey so luke doesn't technically work here but you're going to be at ltx right yeah

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luke will be at ltx because luke also technically does do things here

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sometimes yeah so you have a video coming soon i do

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like actually soon now and not just like me hosting a video and like pulling luke

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into it for like color commentary like lucas is hosting uh the nintendo labo

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video the latest possible no one cares anymore about it

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but these are the reasons why people should have cared nintendo labo video

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that's quite a sales pitch all right so basically the whole

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internet is wrong about labo and nintendo

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now you're getting back into the clickbait spirit i knew you had it in you yeah um so let's jump into our first

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topic this was posted by wanatology

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um the study of people named juan

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yes wanatology over on the forum uh the

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original article here is from tech powerup

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NVIDIA's g-sync HDR module is

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this was just working

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you saw me test this i actually didn't but i believe you no i t

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no you've got it on luke's no but that's the one okay that was

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there we go all right okay so did you try unplugging it and plugging it back

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in yes yes i have oh no never mind yeah okay you're right thanks bye

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okay like half of my calls to tech support ever

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really uh it's happened maybe not half i don't

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call tech support that much that's fair um but if we're going back to like when i

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would call tech support as a teenager if we're talking about ever

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i have definitely made my fair share of

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have you tried i must have told you my evga call story

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right okay you know what we're going to get back to this g-sync HDR module have i

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told you that one before with the mineral computer

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i'm not actually sure i don't think so we'll get through part way and i'm sure

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there's people here that haven't heard it you'll probably remember because i must have told you at some point the

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only time i've ever contacted customer support from any computer

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hardware company ever was evga and one

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time i've never had to outside of that everything's always worked or it's been

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like clearly my fault because my hand was covered in oil and i dropped a hard

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drive that is not mac store that was the brand of the hard drive's fault because

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i it hit the ground it's my fault anyway took it and threw it on yeah okay pretty

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much i know where that's going i was everyone knows about my mineral computer if you don't uh there's there's videos

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of it on the channel you should check it out it's it's actually a really funny video in the end but yeah

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when i was building it uh i'm like 12 hours into this build and it's taking me

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forever it's the first time i've ever built a mineral computer i'm doing a lot of things for the first time it's

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actually only it's probably like the low double digits of times i've built the

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computer at all at this point right and i'm trying to build a mineral oil one um

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i go through a lot of hardships including realizing that due to the fish

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rocks that i put in the bottom of the fish tank my power supply would no

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longer fit because i did all the sizing based on no fish rocks being there

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and it was like really hard to clear a spot for it blah blah blah blah so i

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unscrewed the casing on the power supply figured out that

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it was like a wrapped setup so it was screwed on one side but it wasn't like

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two completely separate metal panels so i had to like tear off the metal that

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was there and i ended up only having like little

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like wire cutters so i i was able to just get a tiny

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little snippet and then i had to literally rip the metal in half i think you might be the king of wrong tools

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yeah anyways i got it it it that's why there's like a jagged edge on one part

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of that part luke needs a condom which you know

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goes to the dollar store finds a balloon

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and it's like oh this end looks big enough

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surely the other one will stretch

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oh my god um

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but i get the power supply ripped and it fits now and that power supply still

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works actually i've used it recently which is hilarious um it's actually

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pretty old i'm really surprised it still works yeah uh everything fits i get all

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the oil in and i've i've turned i turned it on i did the old thing you turn the

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computer on before you put it in the case which is good yeah we did that and

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it worked fine then i submerged it press the power button nothing happened

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and i just freaked out because i'm a kid i don't have enough money to buy these

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components again right no one's going to give me a return on oil soaked

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components oh they sure why it's not going to happen so i'm like try that sometime but i'm sorry carry on i

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i have no idea what's going on i'm freaking out it's really early in the

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morning for whatever i have an evga motherboard

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for whatever reason i was like i'm going to call evga tech support

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i don't know why i picked that component yeah because it could have been anything

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that was i have no idea yeah i just was like i need to call someone and the dude

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on the phone was like really calm and really patient

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i felt like i was calling 911. um

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hello computer enthusiast please state your emergency

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and i start trying to explain what's going on and like he he finally eventually i don't know if

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he's heard of mineral cooling before at this point or not but uh

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he's like you know what what i'm gonna do i'm gonna add a note to your account

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saying that like if we get any components in that have a little oil on

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it it's okay that was nuts he did that he actually

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did that and then he's like okay i want you to go through

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like taking it out and like reseeding some of the components

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for me and he stayed on the freaking line the whole time and i i put him on speaker and i

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reseated a whole bunch of components and i put everything back in and it turned

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on and worked that was like the greatest customer

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support call i've ever had in my entire life and it was basically did you try

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unplugging it and plugging it back in yeah that was where we were going with this thank you that only took about 10

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minutes

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but anyway that was just amazing that's that's i i almost never have customer

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support calls but that was that was really fantastic no one's come close

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since then all right so let's jump over to this

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g-sync news um basically

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uh pc per disassembled their rg swift pg27uq because those guys have balls of

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steel it's a two thousand dollar monitor and they found that the g-sync module is

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a newer version than the first generation g-sync monitors which

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i think we've known for like two years

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that new g-sync like faster g-sync was

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going to require a new module anyway the

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exact model of fpga is an area

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area anyway 10gx480

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which is a high performance 20 nanometer soc that provides enough bandwidth and

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lvds pins in order to process this huge

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4k 144 hertz data stream

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it is sold in low quantities for 2

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000 for the fpga alone at digikey and mouser

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but assuming that NVIDIA buys thousands pc per is suggesting that the price of

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this chip alone will add 500

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to the monitor's bom cost it is further increased by the three gigabytes of ddr4

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memory on the module and the added licensing fees for g-sync

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so if even just the three gigs like that stuff's expensive right now that stuff's

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really expensive right now so here's the bizarre thing

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about g-sync is that from the consumer standpoint i

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know a lot of people feel very strongly that NVIDIA should just adopt adaptive

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sync or freesync and just kind of

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get on board with the rest of the industry i mean

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they are now up against more than just AMD like it used to be NVIDIA versus AMD

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g-sync freesync and AMD had a handful of partners that were that were rushing

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freesync monitors to market um but now NVIDIA is up against a much

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larger tide in the industry as a whole samsung

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is going to be supporting freesync on upcoming tvs

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that to me is huge you combine that with

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the freesync support on the xbox and now it's like whoa whoa now hold

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hold on just a gosh darn minute whether you have a pc or whether you have a

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console yeah if you want a game on a monitor or on a tv if you want all of

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those things and the ability to interconnect all of them

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freesync is the only solution on the market today

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it's probably going to stay that way and a lot of people are assuming that the

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only reason that NVIDIA would not adopt

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the industry standard solution is in order to make more money on their

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licensing but i'm kind of looking at this going

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like hold on a minute if there wasn't more to it than that

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why would NVIDIA pay somewhere in the neighborhood of 500

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for these modules why would they why would they hurt the

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competitiveness of g-sync monitors

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available on the market if they didn't have to

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and then you go you go back again and you go now okay well hold on a second

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here g-sync on notebooks doesn't have

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this fpga

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so they found a way to do it with the embedded displayport connection

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but not with the standard i you know i think

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we haven't really done a guest in a long time i think this news merits

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asking tom peterson from NVIDIA boy to come on

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the show and explain why the actual ball sack

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they would spend all this money and lock variable refresh rate down to

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this proprietary solution

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if there is hurt the competitors of their own products yeah

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because because imagine imagine that you're NVIDIA talking to

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lg or tcl or samsung you're talking to a

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major like panel and television manufacturer

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and you're going have i got a deal for you

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we're going to have you take your existing scaler

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i know it's cheap but you know you're gonna throw that away okay you're

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gonna take our scaler which doesn't have all these fancy component inputs that

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people might need for their legacy devices it doesn't take six hdmis in it's pretty

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basic we want you to spend 500 on it

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sound good why would they do that if they don't

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have to and then why would they go and put a bunch of RAM on it if they don't

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have to is there see okay so

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i've used freesync and aside from some of the limitations

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of the early monitors where the freesync range was not very helpful like it

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didn't go down low enough i don't personally notice a huge

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difference like is this the kind of thing where i have to pull out a phantom camera in

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order to see the the difference in the way the monitors are refreshing is that

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something we should do we should we should talk to tom though okay if that's

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something we should do then sure but we could get what we should do from

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him okay all right

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all right i think giving tom a chance

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i'm gonna email him right now uh no no i'm emailing him right now

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can you guys come on our show and

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explain g-sync this is all in the subject line

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got a lot of our viewers i mean really this is me asking you guys

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don't seem that concerned got a lot of our viewers wondering

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why it needs a 2 000 fpga

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and three gigs of RAM he's legitimately doing this right now Linus you know chad

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seems to be asking for it right now thanks Linus

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um okay so formal

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yeah you know what i'll throw in the thanks every once in a while

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i'll throw in the things it was still basically a one-liner yeah but it's kind

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of thanks you know tom tom's i respect tom a lot by the way tom's sounds great

00:17:36.799 --> 00:17:42.960
super cool so was the other person included in the email yeah yeah so if

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anyone can explain this to me i think our pr contact gets upset when i go

00:17:45.039 --> 00:17:51.200
straight to tom because tom is not technically pr or marketing or anything

00:17:49.120 --> 00:17:54.640
he's not technically like an outward facing he's really good at it yeah he's

00:17:53.039 --> 00:18:03.120
like awesome yeah so it's you know i really want to talk to tom about it because he can put something like

00:17:58.880 --> 00:18:05.200
we are spending 500 for lols into a

00:18:03.120 --> 00:18:08.320
perspective that might make sense yeah because if there's anything i know about

00:18:06.400 --> 00:18:11.200
NVIDIA it's that they don't spend money unnecessarily

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all right let's jump into our next topic here

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uh this was posted by rubber puppy on the forum

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and i'd like to open this with a statement from the uh current coo of

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Floatplane media does Floatplane media now or intend in

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the future to alter or um disfigure in any way

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the thumbnail that a creator would upload to the platform

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for their viewers no uh not only does that seem

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uh i'm trying to be pr happy right here not

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only does that seem stupid just drop the pr happiness uh that's not pr but that

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that literally just sounds like unnecessary work and we have a lot of

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other stuff to do

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so let's just let's jump over to my not only do i not

00:19:06.000 --> 00:19:15.280
get the point but it sounds like a bunch of work here's a post from rayo

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a larson garasia oh wow i'm not even you

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know forget forget that i ever tried um hello team youtube

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i would like to know why are not the thumbnails of the videos on my channel

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what happens is that all my videos had thumbnails and now they are no longer

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seen what a tremendous tremendous concern to have

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um this is good so to youtube's credit now

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going back to going back to being appreciative of youtube for a minute

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here to youtube's credit they replied yeah thank you team youtube that's

00:19:46.240 --> 00:19:51.440
absolutely surprising good job i'm not a super huge

00:19:49.280 --> 00:19:56.640
fan of their reply we are running a small experiment where 0.3 of viewers

00:19:54.559 --> 00:20:00.640
will see an auto-generated thumbnail instead of your custom thumbnail

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okay we're not removing the ability to create your custom thumbnail we're just not

00:20:04.240 --> 00:20:11.520
going to show it to some people we're doing this to gain insight on

00:20:08.880 --> 00:20:16.240
auto-generated thumbnails for the future something to consider too is point three

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percent sounds automatically like oh absolutely tiny amount of people but

00:20:17.760 --> 00:20:22.880
it's freaking youtube so 0.3 is actually

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i have no idea but i'm assuming in the millions of people this is actually a

00:20:25.280 --> 00:20:31.200
lot of people it's not a lot in comparison to the

00:20:28.720 --> 00:20:34.919
entire whole of people that use youtube but it's a lot of people

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there's someone with like a research degree that's going after them super ham

00:20:41.200 --> 00:20:47.200
for for not doing this properly there's the comments on this twitter thread are

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glorious i heard back from NVIDIA already they're saying it doesn't cost

00:20:48.799 --> 00:20:54.240
two thousand dollars so that's good we've we've confirmed now that they are indeed

00:20:52.799 --> 00:20:59.280
getting a volume discount which we assumed before um

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but uh i don't have any information other than that yeah we knew that so i'm

00:21:01.520 --> 00:21:09.360
just i just i've replied uh saying well okay yes but uh we like we still want to

00:21:06.640 --> 00:21:12.720
know yeah so just come talk to us about g-sync dude yeah they don't even

00:21:11.200 --> 00:21:17.440
necessarily have to be that they should be happy anytime tom gets in front of people they

00:21:15.679 --> 00:21:20.960
like love NVIDIA more so they shouldn't yeah they shouldn't be afraid to push

00:21:18.720 --> 00:21:23.919
just come come flex your tech and we can that can be like part of it but we can

00:21:22.320 --> 00:21:26.720
talk about more things all right so there's so there's a couple things here

00:21:25.360 --> 00:21:32.400
number one i personally am of the mind that point

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three percent is not that big of a deal even in the context of a channel that

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gets two million views a day which is where we're kind of sitting these days

00:21:37.360 --> 00:21:43.440
we're a little low right now so hold on per channel yeah but i mean usually

00:21:41.280 --> 00:21:47.679
times point and that's not i don't i don't

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actually think views is the right way to do it

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okay they could be whale users but if it's no no no it's a random distribution

00:21:52.799 --> 00:21:58.159
not even that because you're looking at people who it's going to come down to a

00:21:56.480 --> 00:22:01.360
choice decision and with how youtube's algorithm works right now if they don't

00:22:00.000 --> 00:22:07.280
click on your video it might not come back so you could

00:22:04.240 --> 00:22:08.320
be getting cut 0.3 of your users because

00:22:07.280 --> 00:22:12.640
now they're not clicking on it because it looks weird so the impact could be

00:22:10.559 --> 00:22:17.280
could be hurt yeah okay so that would be 60 000 views a day it could potentially

00:22:15.039 --> 00:22:21.919
hit us for us assuming that it's just a one-time a one-time thing which is

00:22:19.200 --> 00:22:26.480
honestly not the end of the world but 60 000 people a day that might not see your

00:22:24.080 --> 00:22:31.520
video in sub boxes anymore i'm over it

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but i have deeper concerns i have other

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concerns my other concerns are to do with

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why are they doing research into auto generated thumbnails if there isn't some

00:22:41.520 --> 00:22:48.240
kind of purpose to the experiment and the only purpose that i can think of

00:22:46.240 --> 00:22:52.320
to say an experiment that goes hey what would happen if we just used

00:22:50.559 --> 00:22:57.919
auto-generated thumbnails instead of user-created thumbnails is that they are

00:22:54.640 --> 00:22:59.440
considering using them yeah

00:22:57.919 --> 00:23:05.200
that's the only reason to run this experiment that makes sense to my non-ai

00:23:02.480 --> 00:23:09.280
algorithmic brain and question for you i'm going to almost flip sides a little

00:23:06.480 --> 00:23:12.720
bit here yep would that be that bad right now we have click bait cancer all

00:23:11.120 --> 00:23:16.880
of our thumbnails i'm leaving that up to the audience so i've actually brought up

00:23:14.960 --> 00:23:20.480
our dashboard here and i'm gonna screen share with you guys let's go ahead and

00:23:18.480 --> 00:23:27.600
pop up my screen here all right so this video right here went up today

00:23:25.440 --> 00:23:31.200
high school for gamers uh actually this is not our original thumbnail design for

00:23:29.520 --> 00:23:34.559
it it originally had me holding up a legitimate esports textbook which was

00:23:32.960 --> 00:23:38.240
hilarious by the way esports textbook amazing

00:23:36.799 --> 00:23:42.080
so we've got a few different options here we've got actually do you want to

00:23:40.240 --> 00:23:46.080
do you want a straw poll cursed and we just need a couple options do you

00:23:43.840 --> 00:23:51.039
prefer our custom one or do you prefer one of the auto-generated thumbnails so

00:23:48.320 --> 00:23:55.600
this is high school for gamers we've got me standing holding a book in front of a

00:23:53.120 --> 00:23:58.799
plant we've got me standing in sort of a dark room it's hard to see my face and

00:23:57.280 --> 00:24:03.600
then we've got me standing outside of a building and then we've got sort of

00:24:00.960 --> 00:24:06.480
bigger me with people gaming behind me okay so there's example number one we're

00:24:05.280 --> 00:24:11.840
gonna we're gonna do a few we're gonna do a few here uh here let's try this one

00:24:13.760 --> 00:24:20.320
this laptop does everything sort of we've got me holding up laptops we've

00:24:18.400 --> 00:24:24.799
got some people sitting around eating what is presumably cake

00:24:22.240 --> 00:24:28.159
we've got some people sitting at a table and we've got actually me holding

00:24:26.559 --> 00:24:32.320
laptops okay all right but i'm not gonna i'm not

00:24:30.799 --> 00:24:39.520
gonna lead you guys too much i want you guys to to conclude for me

00:24:34.960 --> 00:24:39.520
uh let's try do dual CPU sockets matter

00:24:39.919 --> 00:24:45.679
this video didn't perform very well so maybe we would have been better off

00:24:43.360 --> 00:24:48.000
you know i actually don't mind this one hmm

00:24:48.400 --> 00:24:54.159
okay this one's do you think do you think the top one

00:24:52.400 --> 00:24:57.760
that does suck that's like yeah that does suck uh do you think the top one is

00:24:56.000 --> 00:25:01.760
the one that it would pick though i don't know it might just be one of it

00:24:59.760 --> 00:25:06.400
might be like random um okay let's try why do we need so many

00:25:03.919 --> 00:25:06.400
servers

00:25:07.440 --> 00:25:13.200
okay this one wow we would have thought it was a tech

00:25:10.640 --> 00:25:17.120
linked episode with riley with that one so that would have been terrible that's

00:25:14.720 --> 00:25:21.440
not great uh this is just me and kind of a dark mess hard to tell anything

00:25:19.840 --> 00:25:25.200
this is just me in the editing den it's hard to tell

00:25:22.880 --> 00:25:29.039
like having a picture of the server does seem pretty helpful for this one

00:25:27.520 --> 00:25:32.559
is there any other examples you want to you want to see some people in chat are

00:25:30.799 --> 00:25:36.880
saying that they pick the middle thumbnail and other people are just keep on saying

00:25:35.279 --> 00:25:41.360
that it picks the second one or the second one is the best blah blah blah

00:25:38.799 --> 00:25:44.880
interesting okay all right why is everyone buying this monitor okay let's

00:25:42.799 --> 00:25:49.440
try this one sorry you guys i know this is taking a little while but this is

00:25:46.559 --> 00:25:53.600
this is live research okay so it managed to grab our end card so that's not

00:25:52.000 --> 00:25:57.200
helpful for sure it managed to grab me standing in the

00:25:55.039 --> 00:26:01.039
kitchen i am looking at a monitor though again the second one's okay though but

00:25:58.880 --> 00:26:04.960
the second one is okay it's me sitting there with a monitor in front of me

00:26:03.200 --> 00:26:09.440
uh do you have those straw poll results yeah um where will i how will i get them

00:26:07.760 --> 00:26:13.039
spamming them in chat so if you just go to chat okay cool i'm gonna go i'm gonna

00:26:11.440 --> 00:26:17.760
go check out chat i'm gonna go grab that and bring it up bam oh i missed all right click dick

00:26:16.559 --> 00:26:22.960
dang it i found actually one of the better ways to do it is to put your mouse where it

00:26:21.200 --> 00:26:26.880
will be and then wait for chat to bump it and then click there i've actually

00:26:25.039 --> 00:26:32.720
i've actually found that that works bad solutions for stupid problems

00:26:29.840 --> 00:26:36.720
okay so even though we did see some pretty good examples in there of

00:26:34.799 --> 00:26:40.799
thumbnails that actually looked not bad

00:26:38.880 --> 00:26:44.799
80 percent of you are saying that you would prefer the custom creator

00:26:42.640 --> 00:26:48.799
thumbnails at least in our case and i know that there are some creators out

00:26:46.640 --> 00:26:53.120
there that are not doing a good job super amusing of of

00:26:51.279 --> 00:26:56.400
uh in good faith creating a thumbnail that is representative of the content

00:26:54.880 --> 00:27:01.520
yeah um but still an 80 to 20

00:26:59.600 --> 00:27:05.360
vote here is is a pretty overwhelming majority that looks pretty clear to me

00:27:02.960 --> 00:27:11.600
that you guys have you guys have spoken someone in chat 80 of chat has bad taste

00:27:11.600 --> 00:27:16.559
well moving on there

00:27:16.960 --> 00:27:26.600
actually we should get our we should get our sponsors out of the way yeah um i

00:27:20.960 --> 00:27:26.600
believe one of them is ltx 2018

00:27:26.799 --> 00:27:31.120
ltx is the oh that's weird

00:27:31.760 --> 00:27:37.919
ltx is the interactive meetup and oops

00:27:35.760 --> 00:27:42.159
meetup and interactive tech event it'll be on july 14th at the richmond olympic

00:27:40.080 --> 00:27:46.720
oval here in richmond british columbia canada current booths include a blind

00:27:44.960 --> 00:27:51.279
cable management competition brought to you by cablemod i want to do that i will

00:27:49.360 --> 00:27:55.440
take you online that's actually way more interesting a delidding workshop so

00:27:53.360 --> 00:28:01.440
bring your cpus we will show you how to delid them case toss 2.0 now with

00:27:59.200 --> 00:28:05.039
more safety multi-headed vr

00:28:03.679 --> 00:28:11.440
alan 10k ultra wide gaming which by the way

00:28:08.240 --> 00:28:15.039
is curved i thought it was 12k it was

00:28:11.440 --> 00:28:20.000
gonna be 12k but then we settled on um

00:28:15.039 --> 00:28:24.480
uh 3440 by uh 1440 ultra wides instead

00:28:20.000 --> 00:28:26.799
of the 4k ones and i will say that it is

00:28:24.480 --> 00:28:31.679
a better experience doing it this way the extra pixels were

00:28:29.120 --> 00:28:35.360
not contributing much and the extra size probably would have been unnecessary

00:28:33.039 --> 00:28:40.399
because it already uh takes up a ginormous significant port have you seen

00:28:37.600 --> 00:28:44.320
it no it's actually built oh it will be there like it's confirmed now before we

00:28:42.080 --> 00:28:48.159
were just kind of hoping Corsair ASUS vertigo cable mod bs mods free geek

00:28:46.240 --> 00:28:51.760
alpha cool and i buy power will all be at the event with a ton of more brands

00:28:49.760 --> 00:28:55.840
sending swag and to give you guys some idea of the swag NVIDIA has sent six

00:28:54.399 --> 00:29:00.480
titan x's six 1080 ti's and a whole bunch of other

00:28:58.480 --> 00:29:03.840
stuff so we are actually thinking they won't sponsor us but they'll give us

00:29:02.240 --> 00:29:09.279
stuff to give away that's actually that's pretty cool sure i mean they make ltx pretty sweet

00:29:07.679 --> 00:29:14.080
yeah so far two years in a row so what we were thinking is instead of just doing a bunch of draws on the stage

00:29:12.960 --> 00:29:20.320
because that kind of took forever and was kind of tedious it did we're going to make so many things there like

00:29:18.240 --> 00:29:23.279
competitions cool so like the blind cable management thing you might win a

00:29:22.080 --> 00:29:27.600
titan so we want to drive participation yeah

00:29:25.600 --> 00:29:32.640
come hang out tickets start at 35 canadian and you can check them out at

00:29:28.880 --> 00:29:34.399
the link below or ltxexpo.com

00:29:32.640 --> 00:29:37.679
there's also going to be custom merch that you can't get other places oh

00:29:36.240 --> 00:29:42.000
there's also going to be custom merch apparently that you won't be able to get

00:29:39.600 --> 00:29:46.159
other than at ltx i want so wow that's kind of a dick move well like so the

00:29:44.559 --> 00:29:50.720
customers that you actually can't get anywhere else is ltx merch oh it's an

00:29:48.240 --> 00:29:54.880
ltx but also oh we have lanyards too right yeah we have

00:29:52.880 --> 00:29:58.240
lanyards cool and then there's also one design that our

00:29:56.559 --> 00:30:01.360
guy has created that is going to be on sale later but

00:29:59.919 --> 00:30:05.760
you can't get it anywhere else and it's really cool and it's going to be cheaper

00:30:03.760 --> 00:30:08.559
oh it'll be cheaper at ltx okay cool and like more color varieties and stuff all

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yeah i guess we could do that all right getting back into the news we actually

00:30:57.039 --> 00:31:03.279
have a lot of topics oh what what oh no i already did that we did it right

00:31:00.799 --> 00:31:07.520
at the beginning yeah bye bye all right

00:31:04.960 --> 00:31:12.480
so we've got some rumors to talk about this was posted by numlock21 on the

00:31:09.679 --> 00:31:16.720
forum the original article is from wccf tech and i won't say that i know

00:31:15.039 --> 00:31:19.840
anything about this because i don't which is great because it means that i

00:31:18.320 --> 00:31:24.000
can just talk about the rumors that i've heard this is probably accurate

00:31:24.399 --> 00:31:34.000
yeah there's a rumored core i9 coming to z390 um it's rumored to be an eight core

00:31:30.799 --> 00:31:36.159
processor with 16 threads which is

00:31:34.000 --> 00:31:41.200
absolutely killer because for me there's a fly by the way eight core was really

00:31:38.320 --> 00:31:44.320
the threshold that i bumped into um when video encoding mind you this was a while

00:31:42.880 --> 00:31:48.799
ago it might have improved since then when video encoding with uh GPU

00:31:46.640 --> 00:31:54.480
assistance in adobe premiere and adobe media encoder okay

00:31:50.559 --> 00:31:57.360
so if i had a really high speed 8 core

00:31:54.480 --> 00:32:00.399
that also had an Intel integrated GPU so i could use quick sync yeah

00:31:59.679 --> 00:32:04.159
that had the potential to be the best of all

00:32:02.880 --> 00:32:08.880
worlds and six cores wasn't quite enough

00:32:06.720 --> 00:32:14.399
so i am really hoping that this will be uh apparently they're

00:32:11.840 --> 00:32:18.480
oh branding at core i9 that's wow why are they muddying the waters why didn't

00:32:16.159 --> 00:32:22.480
they just make high-end desktop core i9 and mainstream core i7 to i3 like what

00:32:20.720 --> 00:32:27.120
are they doing um i'm excited for mainstream to be

00:32:25.519 --> 00:32:31.840
eight core i think that'll be a really big deal yeah once mainstream has been

00:32:29.120 --> 00:32:34.399
eight core for like three years that'll be really good for software

00:32:33.360 --> 00:32:41.120
development and game development and stuff that'd be very nice

00:32:37.519 --> 00:32:43.600
i just my only thing with this is like

00:32:41.120 --> 00:32:46.320
of course i don't know

00:32:44.880 --> 00:32:51.440
well i i don't know they could have stuck with six cores i mean their six cores are actually reasonably

00:32:49.360 --> 00:32:55.679
competitive even with ryzen two oh i don't necessarily mean about the 9900k

00:32:53.440 --> 00:33:02.159
to be fair oh i see what you mean yeah yeah like uh Intel is making more processors

00:32:59.279 --> 00:33:07.120
oh i see yeah the the individual details if they're true that is interesting but

00:33:04.080 --> 00:33:10.240
it's a rumor so the rumor is that a core

00:33:07.120 --> 00:33:12.720
i7 9700k would be six core 12 thread

00:33:10.240 --> 00:33:18.159
direct replacement for the 8700k and the 9600k would be six core six thread so

00:33:15.279 --> 00:33:22.399
direct replacement for the 8600k what i would expect and this won't be

00:33:20.240 --> 00:33:26.240
popular is that because they are creating a new model number and they're

00:33:24.080 --> 00:33:30.480
giving it a core i9 designation i would expect this to be positioned as a more

00:33:28.720 --> 00:33:37.279
expensive option what we've seen over the last four or five generations now

00:33:32.640 --> 00:33:42.120
going from 2600k to 3770k to 4770k

00:33:37.279 --> 00:33:42.120
to 4790k to 5775c

00:33:42.480 --> 00:33:49.200
that was short-lived to 6700k

00:33:45.679 --> 00:33:50.559
to 7700k is every generation Intel has

00:33:49.200 --> 00:33:55.679
bumped the performance by five to ten percent and they've uh

00:33:53.039 --> 00:33:59.840
put a few bucks on the price how much do you think it will cost but basically not

00:33:57.600 --> 00:34:03.600
much more than adjusting for inflation i think this time we are going to see

00:34:02.000 --> 00:34:07.279
the top tier sku on the mainstream platform cost a significant amount more

00:34:05.200 --> 00:34:09.839
i wouldn't be surprised if even with ryzen

00:34:08.240 --> 00:34:14.960
oh yeah barking at their tails i think so i don't think that from

00:34:11.839 --> 00:34:17.119
Intel's perspective verizon challenges

00:34:14.960 --> 00:34:20.560
the mainstream k-chips because their positioning of these chips

00:34:18.879 --> 00:34:26.720
is that they're forgiving an i9 because those are crazy expensive yes and no the cheapest

00:34:23.919 --> 00:34:29.520
i9s uh core i9 let's see well that would be what like

00:34:28.240 --> 00:34:34.639
an it's oh um

00:34:32.720 --> 00:34:38.639
70 is there a 78 something k

00:34:36.960 --> 00:34:42.960
i can't remember oh man this is a laptop chip why why do

00:34:41.040 --> 00:34:47.520
i even why do i even bother going to Intel's website when there's wikipedia

00:34:45.760 --> 00:34:51.359
oh no okay yeah you're right core i9s start at a thousand dollars that's

00:34:49.280 --> 00:34:55.919
that's like not really this one won't be like that though i think this one will

00:34:53.040 --> 00:34:58.560
be like a hundred dollars more okay so so from because that's a pretty big

00:34:57.359 --> 00:35:02.640
shift for them yes it kind of actually makes sense but it's

00:35:01.040 --> 00:35:07.040
a big shift yep so i think this will be like a hundred dollars more and i think

00:35:04.800 --> 00:35:11.280
the justification will be that this is the fastest gaming chip and it's also a

00:35:08.880 --> 00:35:15.839
really versatile uh sort of cheapo workstation chip

00:35:12.880 --> 00:35:19.760
because you will get to use the cheaper consumer chipset which does save you

00:35:17.839 --> 00:35:22.720
some money yeah all right

00:35:21.119 --> 00:35:28.720
NVIDIA's new nda requirements for early hardware

00:35:26.000 --> 00:35:33.040
this was posted by athen immortal on the forum and the original article here was

00:35:30.800 --> 00:35:38.400
from tech powerup um so basically i'm glad we used the

00:35:35.280 --> 00:35:40.960
tech power up article yeah um yeah

00:35:38.400 --> 00:35:45.280
because they are pretty much they went full editorial yeah we don't basically

00:35:43.920 --> 00:35:49.920
think that that is that big of a deal

00:35:47.680 --> 00:35:53.839
um it was a so this whole situation is very awkward yeah so german tech

00:35:52.240 --> 00:35:57.440
application de i don't know if i said that right

00:35:55.599 --> 00:36:00.800
probably not um

00:35:58.800 --> 00:36:05.040
they felt that this latest update suggested to them

00:36:02.960 --> 00:36:08.560
that NVIDIA was mandating positive reviews

00:36:06.400 --> 00:36:12.880
in order to get access to hardware they weren't tech power up disagrees i

00:36:10.800 --> 00:36:16.079
disagree i actually hadn't gotten a copy because

00:36:13.920 --> 00:36:19.200
our video contact sent it to luke who sat on it for weeks instead of pointing

00:36:17.839 --> 00:36:23.839
it too okay no i gotta follow up a week after the

00:36:21.680 --> 00:36:27.760
deadline hey Linus is anyone from your organization gonna sign this i never saw

00:36:25.920 --> 00:36:30.880
and then i got your forward after i had sent the signed one back to him already

00:36:29.440 --> 00:36:36.480
i know did you if you noticed from the forward it was not a reply to the original email oh okay i don't think i

00:36:34.160 --> 00:36:40.640
got the two week old email okay and that email was like a day or two old at that

00:36:38.400 --> 00:36:46.400
point so anyway it wasn't that bad i read through it actually as far as ndas

00:36:43.520 --> 00:36:49.839
go it was pretty plain jane it was like two pages

00:36:47.680 --> 00:36:53.680
didn't have anything terrifying in it like there's some ndas out there

00:36:51.920 --> 00:36:58.960
that are scary like we're working on getting this really unique graphics card

00:36:56.079 --> 00:37:04.160
that actually outputs over Ethernet uh yeah it's super cool they're nda

00:37:01.520 --> 00:37:04.160
really cool

00:37:04.800 --> 00:37:11.359
much bigger much bigger much bigger um NVIDIA's was actually for a company

00:37:09.839 --> 00:37:14.640
that size in particular like we've worked with some big multinationals in

00:37:13.040 --> 00:37:17.839
the past especially on like sponsored projects and there's you should explain

00:37:16.480 --> 00:37:21.680
more why it's not that big of a deal because a lot of people read it and still thought it was really bad probably

00:37:20.320 --> 00:37:26.400
because they're just not used to reading legalese or ndas well it's because the

00:37:24.800 --> 00:37:30.240
the wording that says the recipient shall use

00:37:28.400 --> 00:37:33.359
confidential information solely for the benefit of NVIDIA

00:37:32.000 --> 00:37:39.599
means that while the product is nda'ed

00:37:36.880 --> 00:37:44.960
you are not supposed to be uh say for example taking this this unreleased

00:37:42.160 --> 00:37:48.960
graphics card and lending it to your buddy over at AMD so that they can run

00:37:47.200 --> 00:37:52.000
benchmarks on it so that they'll know ahead of time what the performance will

00:37:50.400 --> 00:37:55.520
be when the nda means when the nda lifts

00:37:54.160 --> 00:37:59.760
the solely for the benefit of NVIDIA thing

00:37:57.520 --> 00:38:05.440
also lifts and besides the interpretation of solely

00:38:02.000 --> 00:38:08.400
for the benefit of NVIDIA could be very

00:38:05.440 --> 00:38:12.880
broadly interpreted like you could say that constructive criticism

00:38:10.800 --> 00:38:17.599
is for the benefit of NVIDIA that would be that would be that would be a fairly

00:38:14.720 --> 00:38:21.119
easy legal defense like it's not nearly as

00:38:19.200 --> 00:38:25.119
restrictive as as it might be made out to be and like we

00:38:23.760 --> 00:38:30.800
you know when NVIDIA does something wrong um like for example their uh GeForce

00:38:28.400 --> 00:38:33.280
partner program and uh i don't feel like we pulled any punches on that

00:38:32.560 --> 00:38:38.000
uh luke has made his feelings on GeForce experience very abundantly clear over

00:38:37.119 --> 00:38:42.320
the years um which okay i actually i will take

00:38:40.400 --> 00:38:46.960
this opportunity to add for them they've done a huge improvement oh i know when

00:38:45.040 --> 00:38:50.320
you when you no no i don't use it either but this is that's the point i'm talking

00:38:48.560 --> 00:38:54.000
about you know how before if you did express install

00:38:52.000 --> 00:38:57.440
it would install i actually did notice that yeah that's actually super cool

00:38:56.000 --> 00:39:00.880
yeah so it doesn't make you install it anymore yeah thank you that's actually

00:38:59.119 --> 00:39:05.359
awesome i've hammered on them so much about GeForce experience so i have to

00:39:03.280 --> 00:39:08.720
give them the positive kudos at the same time about making it so that there's now

00:39:07.520 --> 00:39:12.960
when you go to the express stall it's like express with GeForce experience or

00:39:11.040 --> 00:39:17.440
express without i did notice that that's a absolutely totally acceptable good

00:39:15.520 --> 00:39:23.680
enough option we've got how about NVIDIA releasing 1030s with ddr4 memory that's

00:39:20.480 --> 00:39:25.680
what you get for buying a 1030.

00:39:23.680 --> 00:39:29.920
you don't buy low-end graphics cards we've made multiple videos about that

00:39:27.280 --> 00:39:33.920
here let's let's just low end graphics card gamersnexus made a recent one about

00:39:31.760 --> 00:39:38.640
it too all you have to do all you have to do is google it let me google that

00:39:36.079 --> 00:39:42.880
for you technically youtube is google low-end video cards rant are they still

00:39:40.480 --> 00:39:46.320
terrible spoiler yes low end video card rant and Radeon r7 240 unboxing and

00:39:44.960 --> 00:39:53.520
review spoiler yes um where's gamer's nexus's video

00:39:50.480 --> 00:39:55.920
i think it's pretty new

00:39:53.520 --> 00:40:00.160
it's about the 10 30 or whatever dang it which is probably picture get your

00:39:58.079 --> 00:40:04.160
get your freaking seo okay there you go gamer's next

00:40:02.320 --> 00:40:08.000
system the disgrace of a graphics card gt 1030 tdr4 is probably that video is

00:40:06.720 --> 00:40:12.720
probably why that person said that thing in twitch chat that is my assumption right

00:40:10.880 --> 00:40:18.560
but that's what you get for buying a 1030 instead of a last generation 900

00:40:15.920 --> 00:40:22.880
series decent card as far as i know 1030s are for like

00:40:20.400 --> 00:40:26.400
the the person that walks into best buy needs to plug in more monitors and

00:40:24.320 --> 00:40:32.720
doesn't know any better because the cold hard truth and i've got i've had people

00:40:28.880 --> 00:40:34.640
just completely not listen so many times

00:40:32.720 --> 00:40:39.119
to mine and yours for that matter criticisms of low-end graphics cards

00:40:36.720 --> 00:40:43.440
saying well some people just don't have that much money to spend on a

00:40:41.040 --> 00:40:46.400
better one then buy used

00:40:44.880 --> 00:40:51.040
it's like the whole point of scrapyard wars

00:40:48.320 --> 00:40:55.200
a lot of people like we have had very good experiences with this if you bring

00:40:52.880 --> 00:41:00.000
your rig we'll let you test it just test it a lot of honestly a lot of the hardware

00:40:57.520 --> 00:41:04.319
community these these dudes will even like let you into their house to where

00:41:01.839 --> 00:41:09.920
their computer is to test it there i'm not being some kind of you know elitist

00:41:08.560 --> 00:41:14.880
you know oh well then you should just spend more on your graphics card that's

00:41:12.079 --> 00:41:22.480
not the point no the point is that brand new garbage is still garbage whereas

00:41:18.319 --> 00:41:24.240
used diamonds are still diamonds this

00:41:22.480 --> 00:41:29.200
might be a little slightly scratched up or something i'm i'm getting all mad and

00:41:26.800 --> 00:41:32.880
i shouldn't let myself get this stressed out about it

00:41:30.880 --> 00:41:36.319
it's just stupid uh someone asked when is scrapyard where's coming oh

00:41:35.200 --> 00:41:41.440
two weeks to Floatplane to Floatplane

00:41:38.400 --> 00:41:43.920
so it'll be a week after that um we had

00:41:41.440 --> 00:41:47.040
talked about Floatplane being more ready for prime time by the time

00:41:45.280 --> 00:41:52.960
scrapyard wars comes where are we at on that um

00:41:49.599 --> 00:41:54.400
there uh can i do a big push go sign up

00:41:52.960 --> 00:41:58.319
for Floatplane it's gonna be amazing scrap yard worse i'm hoping are you guys

00:41:56.480 --> 00:42:02.160
ready we have some cool things coming there's obviously been some uh minor

00:42:00.800 --> 00:42:06.240
shake up as you've heard of recently yeah so we'll have to see how we react to that but there is some cool things

00:42:04.960 --> 00:42:10.880
coming notifications are going to be working soon um some parts of it are

00:42:09.119 --> 00:42:14.800
already working oh we're not like launching that part yet until all of

00:42:12.240 --> 00:42:17.920
it's working uh discord integrations and stuff we're going to be working soon

00:42:16.720 --> 00:42:21.680
there's there's some really cool things coming down the pipe uh

00:42:19.920 --> 00:42:25.760
if we can get it done fast enough all right cool i'm excited you know what i

00:42:23.440 --> 00:42:31.920
should just i should just do it we are gonna we are gonna

00:42:28.839 --> 00:42:34.079
pimp at the look on his face so much

00:42:31.920 --> 00:42:37.359
concern it's frozen did it freeze why is it frozen why is it frozen there's the

00:42:35.680 --> 00:42:42.720
stream stopped we're back ready all right yeah um okay now i was just

00:42:40.000 --> 00:42:49.520
messing with you kevski 802. i was like oh god dedicated video on the ltd

00:42:45.200 --> 00:42:49.520
channel 20 000 new users overnight

00:42:51.359 --> 00:42:57.920
no uh the original article here is from

00:42:55.359 --> 00:43:03.359
techcrunch uh and this looks pretty cool vr gloves okay luke go yes okay i've

00:43:01.520 --> 00:43:08.640
wanted this so bad Linus has been playing this game what what is the game

00:43:05.119 --> 00:43:10.800
box vr box vr i train boxing in real

00:43:08.640 --> 00:43:14.400
life two times a week and i have wanted to do this box vr thing but my biggest

00:43:12.960 --> 00:43:18.480
problem with it is that i don't want to hold the controllers yep because i think

00:43:16.640 --> 00:43:23.200
that would be really weird i'm i've gotten very used to to boxing with my

00:43:20.720 --> 00:43:25.359
boxing gloves on and uh i've been talking to haven't had the time but i've

00:43:24.319 --> 00:43:30.880
been talking to him about how i want to get another pair of boxing gloves and mod the vive controller into the boxing

00:43:29.839 --> 00:43:36.000
glove and now these guys have more or less done it for me i'm sure i can take their

00:43:34.240 --> 00:43:39.520
design and attach it to a boxing glove super easy

00:43:37.359 --> 00:43:44.319
very so that's awesome so uh in a nutshell um they're launching

00:43:42.480 --> 00:43:48.640
out of y combinator's latest class of startups with ambitions to bring a

00:43:45.760 --> 00:43:52.640
low-cost flexible glove into users hands or onto them as it were the plexus glove

00:43:50.800 --> 00:43:56.079
relies on the existing tracking systems of the htc and oculus headsets so the

00:43:54.720 --> 00:44:01.440
tracking sensors grab the position of where the hands are in space via the magnetically attached tracker ooh

00:43:59.119 --> 00:44:06.000
magnetic that sounds bad uh yep i would just super glue it to the magnet i think

00:44:03.200 --> 00:44:09.280
yeah or better glue uh after calibrating a resting state of the user's fingers

00:44:07.520 --> 00:44:13.599
individual sensors communicate their position to the game engine very cool

00:44:11.280 --> 00:44:16.560
very cool velcro straps secure the glove at your palm and the individual finger

00:44:15.359 --> 00:44:20.720
controls hook onto the end of your fingertips with motors that offer

00:44:18.480 --> 00:44:23.760
tactile feedback see this creates a problem for modding into a boxing glove

00:44:22.319 --> 00:44:27.839
but i'll probably just ignore that part and just having gloves on and not having

00:44:25.839 --> 00:44:31.200
to wear or not having to hold the controllers will be good enough

00:44:29.599 --> 00:44:36.000
plexus is shipping the gloves with tool kits for unity and unreal game engines

00:44:33.040 --> 00:44:38.720
developer kits are 249 per pair ouch shipping in august

00:44:38.800 --> 00:44:45.359
yeah that's not cheap this is something that i've wanted for a long time believe it

00:44:43.839 --> 00:44:48.240
or not i didn't know that i wanted it to be a battle royale and in fact i

00:44:46.880 --> 00:44:53.680
probably didn't want it to be a battle royale but something that i have wanted

00:44:50.240 --> 00:44:56.400
for a long time is much much greater

00:44:53.680 --> 00:45:00.640
scale multiplayer experiences uh something that i had sort of envisioned

00:44:58.160 --> 00:45:07.280
uh a number of years ago uh what's that uh what's that gamer savage no so savage

00:45:04.800 --> 00:45:11.599
was uh let me let me make sure this is even the right name savage game

00:45:11.839 --> 00:45:16.599
savage battle for new earth was this it

00:45:18.640 --> 00:45:24.800
i think this was it so did i ever tell you about those lands i

00:45:22.000 --> 00:45:27.520
used to run at uvic yeah with like the huge amounts of computers across

00:45:26.079 --> 00:45:31.599
multiple computer Labs on multiple floors all this kind of stuff we would

00:45:29.119 --> 00:45:35.680
play savage because this game supported some crazy amount of players

00:45:33.520 --> 00:45:40.960
i don't remember the exact amount of players that it supported but we could

00:45:37.760 --> 00:45:44.640
have doesn't say Labs versus Labs going

00:45:40.960 --> 00:45:46.560
on oh the other one to 127

00:45:44.640 --> 00:45:50.880
players on the team are field players yeah okay i actually didn't know this

00:45:49.200 --> 00:45:55.920
was an actual thing this is exactly what i wanted yeah so this is an old game but

00:45:53.359 --> 00:45:59.280
it's a very good like land pack you've got a huge amount of people for

00:45:57.839 --> 00:46:04.000
some reason you want to get everyone into the game and like it was always really fun

00:46:02.079 --> 00:46:08.480
because if i remember correctly this was like redstone like redstone was in this

00:46:06.240 --> 00:46:12.480
game so i had redstone in my head i think it was called redstone

00:46:10.839 --> 00:46:17.920
pre-minecraft and uh you'd have a whole lab you'd have

00:46:15.760 --> 00:46:21.440
like the the leader of that team or the leader of that lab go like we need

00:46:19.760 --> 00:46:25.280
redstone and then the whole lab is just like roadstone you see everyone in the

00:46:23.520 --> 00:46:28.160
game just run over to go get it it's so much fun

00:46:26.640 --> 00:46:30.960
and you have to fight each other and you like level up and you spawn in his

00:46:29.680 --> 00:46:36.560
different things and it's like this whole combat rts mix like one person on each

00:46:34.800 --> 00:46:42.480
team is playing an rts game right all the other players are playing like the minions

00:46:38.880 --> 00:46:44.800
it's it's it's old it's very old yeah

00:46:42.480 --> 00:46:50.160
interesting but it's it's fun so imagine that

00:46:46.720 --> 00:46:52.880
with like a thousand people yeah and

00:46:50.160 --> 00:46:57.680
yeah super cool so uh if anyone i i was really into supreme commander that's one

00:46:54.480 --> 00:46:59.760
of the games that i was most into out of

00:46:57.680 --> 00:47:06.000
any game like i think i was top 500 at one point which it wasn't a huge

00:47:01.680 --> 00:47:08.640
community but i was pretty good at it um

00:47:06.000 --> 00:47:13.040
imagine for a moment did you ever play sup com

00:47:10.319 --> 00:47:16.640
i did a little bit okay so it has large vehicles like i forget what they were

00:47:14.560 --> 00:47:20.720
called but they were like tier four tier four vehicles um that were like these

00:47:18.640 --> 00:47:25.119
huge things where you could potentially man something like that with like 20 or

00:47:22.319 --> 00:47:29.359
30 people so imagine a 1 000 player version of something like

00:47:28.319 --> 00:47:33.280
savage with just like kind of and the way that

00:47:31.359 --> 00:47:41.280
um subcom had a lot of really cheap swarmy type units yeah so imagine a game

00:47:36.319 --> 00:47:42.640
like that with 500 b 500 with like all

00:47:41.280 --> 00:47:48.000
these different roles so you could potentially run around as a marine or

00:47:44.960 --> 00:47:50.640
you could be like a gunner on like this

00:47:48.000 --> 00:47:54.880
you know big land crawler tank thing or being a heli with three dudes

00:47:52.480 --> 00:47:58.560
would be cool if it was like local voice and you like had to engage in local

00:47:56.400 --> 00:48:03.119
voice so if you're in that giant mammoth tank with 20 people you've got like the

00:48:01.359 --> 00:48:06.800
the driver like telling what's coming up telling people

00:48:05.040 --> 00:48:11.760
to like reload different sides all this kind of stuff you actually have to use

00:48:09.440 --> 00:48:15.920
like your comm system to talk to anyone that isn't nearby like this sounds like

00:48:14.319 --> 00:48:20.720
a gaming experience that would probably be too hardcore for the fortnite kids

00:48:18.640 --> 00:48:24.079
oh i'd love it though but i think it's the kind of thing that

00:48:22.800 --> 00:48:27.839
could be a completely different level of fun one

00:48:26.240 --> 00:48:33.280
thing i really really enjoyed and i know you haven't played this game but it's called it's called black wake um and i

00:48:31.200 --> 00:48:37.839
was really hoping this was what uh microsoft's pirate game was gonna be

00:48:35.760 --> 00:48:41.680
like but it wasn't really but i don't even remember what microsoft's power

00:48:38.960 --> 00:48:45.680
game is called at this point um but in black wake you drop into a new game and

00:48:44.079 --> 00:48:51.920
you're on a you're on a pirate ship you're sailing in the ocean and you have to fight other people's pirate ships but

00:48:50.160 --> 00:48:55.040
your your captain like it's you're in first person view

00:48:53.599 --> 00:49:01.599
and you really can't see all that much if you're if you're the one doing things on deck right and you have to like get

00:48:58.160 --> 00:49:03.119
the gunpowder and get the the cannonball

00:49:01.599 --> 00:49:07.520
and you have to shove the gunpowder in the thing and shove the cannonball in the thing and then load the cannon and

00:49:05.839 --> 00:49:11.280
then you can aim it and fire it so like you can't look where the boat's going so

00:49:09.280 --> 00:49:15.359
the captain has to sail the boat and then like bark out like i'm lining up

00:49:13.200 --> 00:49:18.319
for this side like port side port side and everyone's trying to reload the

00:49:16.480 --> 00:49:21.440
cannons on port side the captain has to yell like there's there's a hole below

00:49:20.160 --> 00:49:27.280
deck someone has to run below deck and try to patch it and bail the water out and all that is so planet side too free

00:49:25.599 --> 00:49:32.640
to play massively multiplayer first person shooter um that has uh the

00:49:31.040 --> 00:49:37.119
guinness world record for the biggest first-person shooter battle with 1158

00:49:35.359 --> 00:49:40.319
players being recorded in a single battle i don't

00:49:38.400 --> 00:49:45.680
but this doesn't have the rts element yeah i don't personally think it captures the same

00:49:42.880 --> 00:49:49.440
the same idea um but it is i i've played a bit of

00:49:47.119 --> 00:49:53.359
planetside 2 it it is sort of like that but yeah i don't think it quite captures

00:49:51.119 --> 00:49:57.520
the same idea right part of the reason for me is i believe planetside 2 is a

00:49:55.200 --> 00:50:03.119
persistent battle like foreversies it's not a match right

00:50:00.960 --> 00:50:07.440
i think you can win and lose everything it's an mmo yeah you can win and lose

00:50:05.200 --> 00:50:10.880
areas and like there will be a an individual battle for an individual

00:50:09.119 --> 00:50:14.720
place and if one person wins or loses then it probably ends and whatnot but

00:50:12.559 --> 00:50:18.319
it's not it's not the same type of type of thing

00:50:16.319 --> 00:50:21.920
all right let's see what else we've got for our topics here oh right we didn't

00:50:20.000 --> 00:50:25.200
even talk about mavericks so mavericks promises right posted by crunchy dragon

00:50:24.000 --> 00:50:28.400
on the forum original article from pedestrian tv

00:50:27.040 --> 00:50:33.200
earlier this year automation games revealed mavericks claiming its battle royale mode can support up to 400

00:50:31.280 --> 00:50:37.839
players crazier yet some game modes the studio says will facilitate up to a

00:50:34.800 --> 00:50:39.839
thousand concurrent players

00:50:37.839 --> 00:50:43.680
okay a persistent environment means players will leave tracks wherever they

00:50:41.760 --> 00:50:46.880
go and you'll be able to drop in and out at any time the world will continue to

00:50:45.200 --> 00:50:50.160
exist and evolve whether you're there or not neat

00:50:49.040 --> 00:50:54.960
and it'll be able to host up to a thousand players in any given server

00:50:52.800 --> 00:50:59.200
google's game streaming service may have a hardware component this was originally

00:50:56.960 --> 00:51:04.960
posted by master disaster on the forum the original article is from kotaku

00:51:03.040 --> 00:51:08.240
so basically game developers conference in march google representatives met with

00:51:06.400 --> 00:51:12.400
several big game companies to gauge interest in its streaming platform

00:51:09.520 --> 00:51:15.599
codenamed yeti and this is yet another indication that whether you like it or

00:51:14.480 --> 00:51:20.720
not cloud gaming is going to be a thing a

00:51:18.480 --> 00:51:23.520
lot of people were so mad when i did that video on what's in videos called

00:51:22.480 --> 00:51:29.520
again i know you mean but yeah i don't remember my head shield

00:51:27.359 --> 00:51:33.440
something what's it called no no it's not called grid anymore

00:51:32.240 --> 00:51:40.000
uh NVIDIA oh crap

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it's it's not called gate game no uh

00:51:40.000 --> 00:51:46.079
cloud gaming i can't remember what it's called GeForce now no um so a lot of

00:51:44.880 --> 00:51:50.240
people were mad they were like they're gonna have to pry my hardware from my

00:51:48.000 --> 00:51:54.000
cool dead fingers and you might be right but what's going to happen

00:51:51.920 --> 00:51:58.240
is cloud gaming is going to happen whether you like it

00:51:55.680 --> 00:52:02.720
or not and there's going to be much like um you know the xbox has gaming

00:52:01.280 --> 00:52:07.440
experiences that are simply not available on the pc there's going to be

00:52:05.119 --> 00:52:11.520
gaming experiences that are available on cloud gaming that will not be available

00:52:09.760 --> 00:52:16.800
to those of you with graphics cards in your cold dead fingers

00:52:13.599 --> 00:52:18.640
and graphics cards in pcs are also not

00:52:16.800 --> 00:52:22.240
going away anytime soon just to be very clear but

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i can imagine a scenario

00:52:23.680 --> 00:52:29.359
where if every player was running off of

00:52:26.880 --> 00:52:34.480
the same data center effectively you could actually enable massively

00:52:31.280 --> 00:52:36.800
multiplayer experiences more easily

00:52:34.480 --> 00:52:40.559
so the latency instead of being between the persistent environment and every

00:52:38.720 --> 00:52:45.200
individual player because you'd have effectively like zero latency within the

00:52:43.200 --> 00:52:50.240
data center would be between every player and their own connection to the

00:52:47.280 --> 00:52:55.599
persistent world i actually foresee a way to create gaming experiences that

00:52:53.119 --> 00:52:59.680
otherwise wouldn't be possible yeah that's why it will exist and i hadn't

00:52:58.079 --> 00:53:03.760
actually thought of that until i said it just now but

00:53:02.000 --> 00:53:07.839
there's nothing you can do this is happening

00:53:05.359 --> 00:53:10.960
and it also helps that massive companies like google are jumping into the fray

00:53:09.440 --> 00:53:15.599
it's not just going to be NVIDIA playing by themselves with some smaller startups

00:53:13.599 --> 00:53:19.839
yeah uh i don't necessarily know if i like it or not but i i do think it's

00:53:17.520 --> 00:53:25.359
gonna happen it might be i i feel like it would be cool if there was like

00:53:23.200 --> 00:53:28.240
some games you know how like wow has a subscription some mmos have

00:53:26.800 --> 00:53:31.680
subscriptions you're gonna pay for a subscription anyways

00:53:30.000 --> 00:53:35.359
whatever if it's a game that makes sense to have a subscription for

00:53:33.200 --> 00:53:39.119
whatever but i see it coming to the point where it's like downloading games

00:53:37.119 --> 00:53:42.000
instead of buying physical copies where like people are like oh yeah it's

00:53:40.559 --> 00:53:47.119
just easier so i'm just gonna do it anyways and then it bites people in the butt later when now they have download

00:53:45.040 --> 00:53:50.880
caps and games are 100 gigs um and other things start happening yeah

00:53:49.119 --> 00:53:54.400
not to mention that multiplayer just goes away once the game dev doesn't feel

00:53:52.800 --> 00:53:57.760
like it anymore yeah like that kind of stuff uh so google took meetings at e3

00:53:56.480 --> 00:54:03.040
in los angeles a few weeks ago apparently the company is looking not just to woo game developers to the yeti

00:54:01.119 --> 00:54:07.280
service but to buy development studios entirely oh that's interesting oh boy

00:54:05.119 --> 00:54:10.319
whispers have been quieter around google's hardware whatever that might

00:54:08.800 --> 00:54:13.839
look like but the rumors suggest it will link up with the streaming service in

00:54:12.240 --> 00:54:16.240
some way it's not clear if they want to compete with the technical specs of like

00:54:15.599 --> 00:54:21.760
a new gen playstation or xbox or whether it'll be cheaper and low end relying on

00:54:20.160 --> 00:54:25.839
the streaming server servers to pull their weight

00:54:26.960 --> 00:54:32.400
google has apparently been on a massive hiring spree bringing in experienced

00:54:30.319 --> 00:54:35.680
video game developers and marketers from ea playstation and other top companies

00:54:34.559 --> 00:54:41.440
interesting uh this was posted by friendly non-murdering sort on the forum

00:54:41.680 --> 00:54:47.680
thank you for that this is super cool Android messages for web now available

00:54:45.520 --> 00:54:50.640
for everyone the original article is from google.com you can use your

00:54:49.200 --> 00:54:54.480
computer to chat with your friends through messages for web which shows

00:54:52.720 --> 00:54:58.559
what's on your messages mobile app it's about time messages got some attention

00:54:56.240 --> 00:55:01.119
hey like it didn't even have cloud sync until like

00:54:59.599 --> 00:55:03.920
it just started working for me very recently i was like oh holy crap my

00:55:02.640 --> 00:55:08.960
messages are still there when i switch phones how did this take so long and

00:55:06.079 --> 00:55:13.359
just so you guys know to get it yourself oh no this isn't even the right link

00:55:13.359 --> 00:55:18.880
where is it messages for web sends sms messages

00:55:16.960 --> 00:55:23.520
using a connection from your computer to your phone so carrier fees will apply

00:55:20.800 --> 00:55:27.760
just like on the mobile app this is not like um imessage okay it's not databased

00:55:26.400 --> 00:55:32.160
still but once wow i keep forgetting what they're

00:55:29.440 --> 00:55:36.319
calling it once the new uh check once chat rolls out i see no reason why i

00:55:34.079 --> 00:55:40.960
wouldn't be able to use data so if you go to messages.Android.com

00:55:38.960 --> 00:55:45.040
it will give you the super super easy instructions on how to sync it you just

00:55:43.200 --> 00:55:47.839
click on the triple dot thing in messages it'll bring up a

00:55:46.839 --> 00:55:51.839
like a qr code reader scan it you're done

00:55:52.240 --> 00:55:58.240
and i've used it a fair amount already because i've been coordinating a stag

00:55:56.319 --> 00:56:01.760
and people that aren't on some other messaging system to be able to write out

00:56:00.079 --> 00:56:06.079
a massive message with my keyboard and then just copy paste blah blah blah

00:56:04.400 --> 00:56:10.160
way easier you can pair it on multiple devices but only one will be active at a

00:56:08.480 --> 00:56:16.079
time um Corsair is acquiring elgato gaming this

00:56:13.119 --> 00:56:21.280
was posted by kuikolka on the forum i'm hoping that this situation is amazing

00:56:19.200 --> 00:56:24.400
because i've had a super intense frustration with them for a long time

00:56:22.880 --> 00:56:31.440
which is where they only support Windows 10 on their devices right so you want Corsair to go and

00:56:27.359 --> 00:56:33.440
invest heavier into wider i doubt it

00:56:31.440 --> 00:56:37.599
but good luck what about new devices though because of course if they make

00:56:35.280 --> 00:56:43.119
like stream deck 2 or like some new capture card so my hope

00:56:40.960 --> 00:56:46.960
is actually less to do with capture and more to do with

00:56:44.559 --> 00:56:51.680
taking stream deck technology and putting it into keyboards

00:56:50.240 --> 00:56:55.440
so Corsair's gaming keyboards are already pretty cool but elgato has

00:56:53.520 --> 00:56:59.760
clearly done a lot of work on remember the um the art lebadev optimus keyboard

00:56:58.079 --> 00:57:03.839
from back in the day if you guys don't know what that is look it up yeah it's pretty cool individual display on

00:57:02.400 --> 00:57:08.640
everything or something um so so i would love to

00:57:06.160 --> 00:57:11.839
see Corsair take that technology and

00:57:09.760 --> 00:57:16.480
make it actually useful and Corsair is pretty good make the keys more durable so that if

00:57:15.040 --> 00:57:19.920
you press on them they don't like ruin the screen below it and stuff like that

00:57:18.240 --> 00:57:24.319
stuff like that yeah that'd be really cool um even if they just did it as like

00:57:22.720 --> 00:57:28.480
a g key area yep i wouldn't even i wouldn't get your

00:57:26.880 --> 00:57:31.920
hopes up though i know what you want i don't know why

00:57:30.000 --> 00:57:35.200
you want it so Windows 7 is like it's done man it's done that's not even that

00:57:33.280 --> 00:57:38.000
i usually don't want but Windows 7 is what i have to use for my sword for my

00:57:36.880 --> 00:57:42.160
argument because that's where the majority of users are but someone found

00:57:40.880 --> 00:57:47.119
i should have been able to find this but i didn't but someone found that there is

00:57:44.160 --> 00:57:51.440
the like history log of versions and on one of the versions the only

00:57:49.200 --> 00:57:55.359
thing stopping at work from on Windows 7 8 and 8.1 is a flag that checks if you

00:57:53.760 --> 00:57:58.880
have the right operating system so someone made a wrapper that just ignores

00:57:57.520 --> 00:58:01.920
that flag and you can just install it on whatever

00:58:00.640 --> 00:58:05.359
operating system you want and it works completely fine it doesn't have like if

00:58:04.160 --> 00:58:10.880
i remember correctly it doesn't have like twitter video integration or something

00:58:08.400 --> 00:58:13.760
and i'm like wow i don't care right so yeah i'm just gonna do that and it'll

00:58:11.920 --> 00:58:18.000
work on my computer just fine but last topic of the day you'll probably be

00:58:15.520 --> 00:58:22.160
excited or uh apprehensive this is off news.xbox.com and it was

00:58:20.079 --> 00:58:27.440
posted by master disaster on the forum which is actually a great great username

00:58:24.799 --> 00:58:33.280
uh halo tv series set to begin filming in 2019.

00:58:31.040 --> 00:58:36.640
is it live action showtime president and ceo david nevins has announced the

00:58:34.960 --> 00:58:41.280
network has ordered a 10-episode season based on the halo game franchise

00:58:39.040 --> 00:58:45.520
kyle killen awake will serve as executive producer writer and showrunner

00:58:43.599 --> 00:58:48.960
rupert wyatt rise of the planet of the apes will direct multiple episodes and

00:58:47.119 --> 00:58:53.280
also executive produce the hour-long series which enters production in early

00:58:51.040 --> 00:58:56.240
2019. okay

00:58:55.119 --> 00:59:00.960
so it is not clear to me if it is live

00:58:58.640 --> 00:59:05.440
action or animated uh it's possible that some people know

00:59:02.960 --> 00:59:10.319
that i think that a massive massive mistake was making the

00:59:08.079 --> 00:59:15.440
warcraft movie live action did you ever see it uh based on how terrible you told

00:59:12.960 --> 00:59:20.799
me it was i didn't bother okay yeah but you played warcraft you saw the amazing

00:59:17.520 --> 00:59:23.200
cinematics i played warcraft

00:59:20.799 --> 00:59:26.400
like not two yeah and not three did you not play two and three oh i did play two

00:59:24.720 --> 00:59:30.400
in it yeah okay i just mean i was just feeling kind of old because

00:59:28.000 --> 00:59:34.880
you were like you played warcraft and i was like yes

00:59:33.680 --> 00:59:39.280
yeah i did i i played it too to be fair i played it

00:59:37.599 --> 00:59:44.240
many many many years later just to see what it was about uh it's not very good

00:59:41.839 --> 00:59:49.119
no it's actually pretty like kind of bad yeah and the ai is like super super

00:59:46.160 --> 00:59:54.160
brutal so bad but uh the cinematics in warcraft have

00:59:51.440 --> 00:59:59.280
always been amazing yeah and yeah uh world of warcraft cinematics

00:59:56.480 --> 01:00:04.400
same idea absolutely amazing cinematics and then we get the movie and it's live

01:00:01.200 --> 01:00:06.720
action like they they have in my opinion

01:00:04.400 --> 01:00:09.359
possibly the best cinematics in gaming there's some argument there with square

01:00:08.559 --> 01:00:16.240
enix yeah square enix has some really amazing stuff too in my opinion it's it's

01:00:14.480 --> 01:00:19.680
closer or better but and it's hard to make that argument because

01:00:17.839 --> 01:00:24.079
you have to go back very far and kind of compare era by era because

01:00:22.000 --> 01:00:29.119
they've both done in my opinion it's been them they've both done arguably a

01:00:26.559 --> 01:00:32.480
better job of cinematics than games at multiple points in their histories yeah

01:00:31.119 --> 01:00:37.920
sometimes it's not even arguably it's just like clearly that's way better um

01:00:35.119 --> 01:00:42.319
and so there probably kind of depends on which one going together the whole time

01:00:40.319 --> 01:00:47.040
blizzard has been incredible at cinematics and then they make a live

01:00:44.559 --> 01:00:50.640
action movie and i just every single time that i see a warcraft or starcraft

01:00:49.520 --> 01:00:56.640
or whatever the overwatch cinematic from blizzard

01:00:54.160 --> 01:00:59.680
i'm like holy crap this is gold everything about this is perfect and

01:00:57.920 --> 01:01:02.880
then you see live action it's just what are you doing so i i hope halo is

01:01:01.440 --> 01:01:07.599
not live there's nothing here about whether it's live action or

01:01:05.040 --> 01:01:11.599
rendered on the xbox.com article anyway maybe people are telling us in twitch

01:01:09.119 --> 01:01:16.079
chat yeah i haven't seen any in twitch chat all right

01:01:13.119 --> 01:01:19.920
so that's pretty much it oh mickey555 says i love the movie and that you are a

01:01:18.160 --> 01:01:23.920
hater no you probably just don't know things about warcraft

01:01:22.240 --> 01:01:28.960
wow um and on that note uh thank you for tuning

01:01:27.200 --> 01:01:34.640
in to the WAN Show we will see you again next week same bat time same bat channel

01:01:32.240 --> 01:01:34.640
wow

01:01:36.480 --> 01:01:41.280
dang it's live action a whole bunch of people are saying it's live it's live

01:01:39.599 --> 01:01:45.760
action all right and no i didn't find my cat thank you for asking

01:01:45.760 --> 01:01:49.200
you are a straight up savage

01:01:51.200 --> 01:01:58.839
someone else replied warcraft made me want to couch my eyes out wow

01:01:55.280 --> 01:01:58.839
that's a little aggressive
