NVIDIA Pulling MORE BS! - WAN Show April 6 2018
Linus Tech Tips
·Linus Tech Tips
·2018-05-06
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11,520 words · ~57 min read
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we go
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we're live it's rancho time luke is at
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pax in boston thank you for asking
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james is here james is here yeah
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hey new luke discount luke discount luke said
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everyone uh sorry we're late you guys i
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have to confess that it was not entirely my fault
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james was at least partially to blame
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go on um well james distracted me with
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his marvelous beard i spent
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25 minutes just staring at it today
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rather than working which happens to be exactly the amount of time that i'm late
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Yvonne looks confused and worried
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she shouldn't be confused but she can be a little worried if she'd like
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so she knows by now
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um in all seriousness guys we have got
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uh oh apparently the left ear is um
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not getting the right amount of attention oh crap
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i i legitimately don't know how to fix that
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um put your headphones in mono um yeah that
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that may actually be the solution because i don't remember which dial does
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what uh uh um uh
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uh yeah okay
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so yup nope no i don't actually know how that stuff
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works so there you go uh apparently left and why do people
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change these things why would anyone change that
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once again we didn't touch it all week and once again it's different gremlins i
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swear there are gremlins living in it so what's actually going on is i have been
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in a mad sprint to get a bunch of stuff done because i am going to china
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i will be gone all next week but there will still be videos because this week
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instead of being on time for WAN Show i was shooting two videos uh one's
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actually pretty cool the other one's garbage yeah the other
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one the other one's kind of lame um yeah no
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one of them uh Intel released an entire lineup of called xeon w that as far as
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we can could tell as far as we could tell is basically
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their core series high-end desktop processors
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with a xeon sticker over top of core i9
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and some ecc support kind of ticked on in
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the microcode or with a non-lasered connection somewhere in the chip or
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something along those lines at least that's what we thought
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and that turned out to be very true so
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that that's going to be interesting so you can see what you're paying an extra
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uh as much as like five six hundred bucks for depending on what kind of a currency you
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use and i'm just mad that that was like a spoiler
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yeah i guess it's kind of a spoiler i mean
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people who watch the wen show we want to spoil them they're nice people they're good people
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you the best um
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second one is actually on the lenovo x1 carbon really nice machine yeah
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but like everything this year it is not quite
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perfect which will drive me to madness at some point
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because you got either 1080p with touch
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or 1440p with HDR
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but no touchy is there any
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technical reason for that um actually i remember talking to them back at ces and
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i managed to get not a marketing person which is always awesome
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when you manage to find like the engineering guy that's kind of like
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kind of like back at the back of the booth or like kind of
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sipping a coffee they don't let me talk to people like yeah i'm just i'm here
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but like realistically i'm not really supposed to say anything
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um you know whatever so you go find that
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guy and he'll be like
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you know yeah i wanted that too but
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yeah there was there was some issue with this and i don't remember what the
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reason was it seemed to be a fairly
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fairly good one um and anyway we actually had a great
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chat but you remember a technical reason it wasn't just they were trying to hit a particular price point there was a
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business reason okay there was there was a compelling enough reason because i
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remember we had a long chat where we were discussing sort of the stagnation
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of display technology in the pc space
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no one does anything until apple does it
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because you think about it a pc up till the very high end would be like
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1366 by 768 you remember that horrible
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sort of hd resolution that they were pushing for a while
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freaking awful and that was like the norm until apple came out
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and was like okay no retina retina is a thing now and then everyone
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everyone raced to retina but it's all it
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all feels kind of like like it's driven by just responsiveness
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rather than trying to uh trying to
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innovate in a way that's meaningful to the consumer so i would look at notebook
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displays and i would go why are we trying to sell 4k
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why aren't we just running a sensible resolution like 2560 by 1440 and doing
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it at a higher refresh rate that's what i'd like to see i don't mind
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seeing features like HDR for example but
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i don't necessarily want to compromise on them so
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um yeah to be clear we are trying to we are
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trying to fix the audio but for now what i would recommend
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is that you use the i'm watching a podcast but my kids are
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in the next room and i need to hear if they're crying technique i i can't do
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one headphone really i can't do it i don't know it's psychology it falls out
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no no no no it's just the sound of it i think i'm i think
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i'm like focusing on the fact that one of my your ears is getting worn out
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faster than the other i need them to be balanced
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what that's insane
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i all can see it it could be insane it just bugs me
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so and okay let's say that i let's say that i do subscribe to oh wait it's too
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loud Anthony just scream at him out there
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yeah i i'm between a rock and a hard place no no it's fine i'll message him um
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technology let's see him walk me away um
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so let's say that i do subscribe to your theory that listening to headphones is
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going to wear out my ears wouldn't i want
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to wear them out less
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uh okay no it's it's not the fact
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so i would use just one for a bit right right here here i'll show you i'll show
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you the technique i came up with i call it the i call it the james is crazy but
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maybe just crazy enough for it to work technique
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i'm gonna listen for a little while here i'm gonna listen for a little while here
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i actually miss very little of my program
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but you're saving on 50 your erosion so
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your erosion okay here's the thing it's not hold on just a second i hate you so
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much it's not that they're getting used or worn out like your brakes on the
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car that's fine it's that they're getting used unequally
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okay all right all right but this is all this was just like the
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seed that that resulted in me just hating the
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feeling of it now right this is like when i was like 12 or something right
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uh oh man luke even he knew i wouldn't
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check so he went out of his way to message me
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and tell me make sure that you change the title of the WAN Show because i'm
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changing it for the thing that i'm doing at pax
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fridays uh 17.
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can we talk about news while you do that what you want to talk about news you you
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want the work that you do on this show to actually
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like be for something yeah that's madness um yeah fine okay what do you
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want okay well there's a a thread on our forum uh posted by
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aluminum tech also known as aluminium tech
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and this thread is about the facebook messenger app and how zuckerberg the ceo
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of facebook this week uh confirmed that facebook does indeed
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scan your messages whether they're pictures or text or whatever
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make sure make sure that they conform with community guidelines
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before actually sending it to the to the recipient so
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if you send something that's against their guidelines like hate speech or inciting genocide or something like that
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they may not actually deliver that message to whoever you're talking to
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which uh definitely has some benefits
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but the thread on our forum kind of erroneously implies that the
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that we're not just talking about facebook messenger's normal messaging
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when we're talking about this uh this surveillance it implies that we're
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talking about facebook's secret function which is more akin to apps like signal
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or telegram and that's actually not the case facebook does have a function
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facebook messenger has a function where you can make your your chats
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encrypted end to end and like the interface turns black and there's a
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little lock and you can even make exploding messages like snapchat style
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facebook is not scanning those messages
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at all or maybe they are and we have no evidence of it but the the news or the
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whatever zuckerberg confirmed has nothing to do with the secret messages
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it has to do with the normal messages and so we really shouldn't be surprised
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that they're looking at those so tell me then
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okay do you use facebook messenger yeah actually it's one of my primary messaging apps okay how do you feel
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about them scanning your messages with an automated system
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for community guidelines standards adherence
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as opposed to like a human well i guess i wanna i'm asking two questions first
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so um do you like or dislike it
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i believe okay first of all i think we should clarify i believe that they're
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scanned with an automated system and once they're flagged it requires a human
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to then say this message is not getting sent through i believe that's how it
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works sure i am fine with my messages being scanned
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okay and are you surprised by this no no you
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should also mention that they do not use the data that
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any of the information that they scan that information is not used to sell ads
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which is what gmail used to do prior to last year
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right
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so i gotta tell you um i
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so okay okay story time so
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the only reason that i use facebook is
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that facebook does not permit you
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to manage a facebook page
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um so the first page that i had to manage and the reason that i had to
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create a facebook account was the one for ncix pc back when i worked there so
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we were trying to get into this whole newfangled social media thing
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and so i needed an account so that the page
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could invite me to manage it um and make
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posts on it and stuff i have probably posted of my own
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volition a grand total of i don't know between five and ten things on facebook
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ever um i only use facebook messenger as sort
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of a um as a digital phone book because
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the the good thing about facebook is that
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whether um you know
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whether you're happy about it or whether you kind of just do it because you have
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to pretty much everyone has it and and yes
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thank you whoever's in the twitch chat declaring that they do not have facebook
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because they're taking some stand
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good for you we're all jealous we all want to be in your shoes but but but the
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truth of the matter is that facebook is a great way to get in touch with people
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and aside from people changing their names
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um like yeah
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i i okay like having your first name and middle name as your facebook name no no
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i mean i mean people getting married oh okay so there's a this is kind of
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embarrassing but i was going through my friends on facebook and i was like who
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are these people
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and the shut up the people i was confused about
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were mostly women from my high school class that are
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now married and i was like that kind of looks oh oh
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okay that that makes sense
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um and then like a kid that i went to elementary school with he changed his
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name from like his his stepdad's name which was his
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last name for some reason i'm not quite sure how that worked to his birth
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father's name oh so i was like oh your
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whatever your name is barry now um
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that's cool wouldn't have known that if i had from barry to barry happy e to be
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a um that would be tough but anyway so what's
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good about facebook is that it's it's a digital phone book it's because
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the real phone books aren't a thing anymore um but the bad thing about it
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and the thing that has always made me both a little bit uncomfortable and just
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feel like it's a little bit unnecessary is that while i am technically a millennial um i i share
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sort of updates about my life as a job i
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have never done it for leisure not once um when i created a facebook account it
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was because i needed to for work when i created a twitter account it was because
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i had to for work and when i created a youtube account it was because i had to
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for work same with twitch for that matter um
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so i just straight up like don't really get it and i've never really felt it's
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never been because i feel super comfortable with it that i've shared a lot of detail about my life um like some
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of you have probably noticed that i now
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that especially now that the Linus tech twitter account is managed by the entire
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team i post almost nothing really personal on
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it and i only post to my personal account like once every couple weeks
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at most um and i've had a lot of people ask me like why don't you do more videos on
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your Linus cat tips channel or why don't you vlog or why don't you do this or do
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that and the truth of the matter is like i actually i like
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not having to talk to anybody yeah no kidding like it's related i
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found that i watched started watching our videos a lot less once
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i worked here for a while and it's like not a surprise like what
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do you want to do when you go home do you want to watch Linus tech tips like no you just did Linus tech tips all day
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i i just had to look at him for the last eight hours
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the last thing i want to do is to see him again because he's annoying well
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it's not you see how i'm almost see i'm only wearing out one here right now
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it's not you it's me it's weird today someone someone made a
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thread about uh an item that they thought would be awesome for us to review so i send it to
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Anthony i was like oh have you seen this yet and he's like yeah alex just made a
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video about that today like it's done already like oh
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so okay so back to back to messenger so for
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me honestly it doesn't affect me much because even though i do have a facebook
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account this is actually the okay you know i'm gonna i'm gonna go off on another thing here
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then use your words if i had a if i had a
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dollar for every time we've run a giveaway or a promotion or something
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and it has required you to to tweet something
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for every time someone's been like yeah well you've got you guys suck
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because i don't have twitter if i had a dollar for every time i saw
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that i would still be mad
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because it's phenomenally stupid
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twitter is free facebook is free
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and the only information they have is
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what you give them creating a twitter account
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that's sole purpose is to enter giveaways
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really doesn't give them a lot on you and get this it's free you could create
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a new one every time hey but you need to have an
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email address which is freedom also free
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so if you don't if you don't
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want it that bad to create a free anonymous email and a free anonymous
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twitter account people are like uh cookies
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walk in once post the thing
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log back out
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um it's pet peeve show next pet peeve topic how about that so so i do so so
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anyway so i do have a facebook account but they actually probably know very
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very little about me personally other than that i'm a tech head and i post a
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lot of techy stuff for work
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um
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so i guess i'm trying to say that i just i'm not bothered that much you know what
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sucks more about facebook messenger than that feature is them putting
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ads in your inbox you probably haven't even seen this but
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on on mobile like you'll open your messages it'll be like
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your partner your best friend your acquaintance
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oculus blah blah with a picture and everything really and then another
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acquaintance straight up like right in there and i
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don't know if these are in whatsapp yet but i wouldn't be surprised if that
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happens soon since they've been wanting to monetize whatsapp for a while and
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they own it um i would like to show you something
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super super cool and funny um i think there's a way to see your page f as
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though you are like oh man no you might
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not your personal page yeah view as a page visitor no no no the line of the
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line is tech tips one right um
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oh wow is it gone oh that's pretty annoying um well anyway
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up until sometime hopefully fairly recently
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the the Linus tech tips page actually had as like like the top
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post like somewhere near the top um please don't send messages to this
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account nobody checks them
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and right now see i don't even know where to find them
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which is super terrible uh see the feed do you know where you
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find messages maybe you disabled it maybe that's why that uh warning isn't
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even there anymore i don't know we had something horrendous
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like uh i don't remember how many tens of
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thousands of messages that people sent and i was just like
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i don't know i don't know what i can do for you to help make it more clear that
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you shouldn't send messages through here um and it just said something like yeah
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you need to go on the you need to go on the twitter page if you want to or the
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twitter account if you need to send a message um
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and wow i just i have no i should honestly i should be screen
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sharing right now because you guys would find this pretty funny i have no idea
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how to use facebook how do i facebook
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you maybe you used to then as soon as you had a kid it just left you now
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you're old people i just never did i just actually never cared like at all
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um yeah i don't know but anyway so the
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point is i do use messenger but it's usually just to be like oh yeah that
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person that i met at like badminton at the rec center a couple weeks ago
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uh what was their name again oh right maybe i'll see if i can get in touch
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with them yeah one facebook messenger feature i like is
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that you can make it your default sms app on Android anyway so you could type
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in someone's name and then choose to message them via facebook or through
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like regular texting which is sweet because then you only have one app for
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both purposes but it also kind of sucks so i eventually switched back to not
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doing that all right so why don't we jump into the
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next thing that i'm super mad about um
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the original article here is from anontech and this was posted by aluminium tech on the forum
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once again all right
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this is really dumb and really frustrating and it's not the first time
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that this has been done by either AMD or NVIDIA and so right to be clear even
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though it's NVIDIA doing it this time
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AMD's done it in the past neither of them is getting a free pass
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here and this behavior is absolutely 100
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unacceptable it's right in the headline
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NVIDIA quietly rolls out slower
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lower TDP GeForce gt 1030
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with ddr4 vram
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now to be clear the gt 1030 is not some kind
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of pillar of gaming cards
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or anything like that and you wouldn't expect to be running the latest games at
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the highest settings at the highest resolutions with them
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but you would expect that if you bought a gt
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1030 that what you got out of the box would
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be similar to someone else's gt 1030 and
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i would make the argument that if you look a little bit closer at these specs
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here look at this
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memory that is running at one third of the speed
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oh man not to mention
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at lower base and boost clocks
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with a completely different memory technology so we're talking ddr4 versus
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gddr5
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i would make the assumption that that is not what you would expect
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and that that is going to make some difference to the gaming experience and
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that if you are buying a dedicated graphics card you probably care at least
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somewhat about the gaming experience is it true that these systems the systems
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that will be running these low end cards discrete as they may be
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won't actually be able to really reap the benefits of ddr5 anyway
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so it's not a huge loss okay
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so you could make the argument that the way that um a review site like us or an
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on tech or whoever else would typically benchmark a card like this
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is not necessarily a very real world
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because what we'll do and we've taken a lot of flack for this over the years
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presumably from people who don't understand why we do it this way but
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what we'll typically do is we'll take the highest end processor in the on the
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market and we'll throw a gt 1030 on it
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and then we'll report our results with the gt 1030 compared to
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some other graphics cards you know whatever suite of cards we decide to test and the the fatal flaw that people
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feel like they're pointing out for us is that no one would install a gt 1030 on a
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2 000 7980 xc18 car extreme edition
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um but the problem is that if we use anything else
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we lose track of the difference between
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these graphics cards because what might happen is the higher end ones might end
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up bottlenecked so it doesn't give you a clear idea of the value per dollar
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prospect of each card you're trying to remove the
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CPU as a variable altogether yes so it's as fast as possible
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now with that said it is possible that in the kind of system
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someone might install one of these in you might not see
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as much of a difference but i think you would probably see a difference
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especially because GPU memory has an impact on the GPU's ability to load in
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textures for example so it might affect the detail level that you can run at
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now this is a complete this might be completely not even ignorant but
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does the type of memory impact the TDP
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of the graphics card so it depends it depends on the clock speed it's running
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at it depends on the um
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i think it yeah it depends how many chips you're running it depends on um
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yeah mainly that depends on the yeah it depends on the tech that's being used
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so you could also make an argument that it's better to have a lower TDP
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GPU like and if you're looking to get a 1030 and the kind of system that's going
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to run it you might actually want that lower TDP more than you want the extra
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memory so that is possible
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but in that case what i'd like to see is a separate sku i ended up arguing with
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sapphire um on the phone about
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how old was i supposed to be about 16 years ago but i'm still mad
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i ended up arguing with sapphire on the phone and AMD for that matter about a
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Radeon 9600 that i bought
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so that should give you guys some idea well i told you how long ago it was
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anyway the point is it was a radio 9600 and
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it came with a 64 bit i still remember to this day it came with a 64-bit memory
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bus instead of a 128-bit bus and back
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then that was a big deal and compared to a 1030 um
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a 960 was still sort of a somewhat
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respectable card like if you wanted to play i don't remember if this is sort of era
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appropriate but i think like sims would have been the kind of thing that my sister might have wanted to run on it
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that would have made a significant difference and the reason i was mad was
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that not only was it not marked clearly anywhere on the box
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what the difference in spec was between this card and the other one the only
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place anywhere that i could find this information was on sapphire's website
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but not their north american one it was on their european one
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wow so i had to go all the way out of my own territory online
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in order to find out that this card was not the same thing and it was like
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hidden like way down somewhere and this was at a time when manufacturers were
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often doing like sc editions of cards
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special edition or second edition but what the community nicknamed these
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things was slow edition because a lot of the time they were cut down because of
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yields so like they had a bunch of scrap chips that they had to do something with
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so they'd like you know cut down the memory bus or they'd just do something else like that
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um and that's the point that people are bringing up this this time you know what's the difference between this and
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like 1080 ti it's just but the thing is they don't put the
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these other letters these qualifiers front and center on the box in this case
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this is way down the line in the product description it's a it's a description of
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the memory it's not up front right beside the 1030. yeah they do put d4 in
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the description but it's not a 1030 d4 it's way way way way down there
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so i find it really frustrating but NVIDIA seems to be
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rather than having taken our feedback and a lot of other members of the press
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feedback to heart about the 1063 gig
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which is more than just a 1060 with three gigs of
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RAM or i should say less it's actually slower as well they seem to have taken
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all the feedback that we gave them and
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crumpled it up and thrown it in a fire because here they are doing it again and
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it's only been a few months so what i worry about is that if we don't call
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them out on this it's going to be something that we're going to continue to see happen
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and that's not what we need you don't want to have to walk like
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remember guys this is the same company that brought you green light
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that brought you a program that restricted their partner's abilities to
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pre-overclock their cards to differentiate them
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supposedly to reduce confusion like that's why they have all these branding initiatives and stuff like that
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oh oh not to mention GeForce partner program we want to reduce confusion do
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you want to reduce confusion or do you just want the right type of control
28:50
right so it's good for their business interests so it doesn't matter
28:54
a lot of people won't notice anyway i won't know so just let it kind of slip
28:58
by uh this is great sparky sparkle man 55
29:03
says rip i got the notification a half hour late no no we were just a half hour
29:06
late unless you just got it now
29:11
yeah where the ones ripped so i guess i don't really have
29:15
a ton more to add i mean this this is really frustrating
29:19
you've got you've got a note in here some of the listed documentation does show two different core names gp 108 300
29:24
versus gp 108 310 um
29:28
but the whole thing is very confusing and the oh this oh this was what i ended
29:32
up yelling at AMD about 16 years ago AMD
29:36
on their website because remember this was not an AMD card technically it was a
29:40
sapphire card as if AMD didn't send them the friggin chips
29:44
AMD's own website had no mention whatsoever of a 64-bit memory bus
29:49
variant of this card so in this case once again just washing
29:53
their hands of it the official NVIDIA GeForce gt 1030 product page mentions
29:58
nothing about this change
30:02
so how can you how can you how can you advocate for less consumer
30:07
confusion when you're running around enabling your
30:11
partners to release products even if you technically not your product or whatever
30:15
the defense would be how can you be running around enabling partners to
30:18
create products based on your products that you don't even list on your website
30:22
especially going forward when those partners are part of the
30:25
GeForce partner program
30:31
very very frustrating all right do you also feel passionately
30:35
about this spectre business um
30:38
i can't imagine that you feel as passionate about it
30:43
what i really feel passionate about is
30:47
eating savage jerky i know
30:52
in my head i was like he wouldn't
30:55
he couldn't god damn it she did
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savage jerky is a tasty snack that's not bad for you
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it's made with the best ingredients without nitrates or preservatives and
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their goal was to well create a snack that's full of flavor and not bad for
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you which i think i already said i got my talking points mixed up here they've
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got 13 different flavors of jerky uh some of the fan favorites are the
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sriracha bacon um my personal favorite is the maple buffalo bacon i gave it to
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someone else to try like two weeks ago and they were like eh but whatever i
31:28
like it i don't care more for you man more for me there's probably john he's
31:32
not canadian not that i don't understand maple not that i was gonna share it with
31:35
anybody anyway so so whatever uh these
31:38
uh cracked pepper and sea salt is really good the traditional is really good the
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uh anything moho is really good
31:46
you're a vegetarian i want to check out the label and stuff oh okay
31:50
and why not show off a different flavor fine you can show off whatever flavor
31:53
you want you can have the whole box so they not only make beer jerky they've
31:57
got hot sauces barbecue sauce as a spice rub
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jacked i never get anything you're not supposed to get any
32:06
well this bag is fine take it this bag's been open for over a week but you don't
32:10
get to complain when i take your m ms anymore i don't well it's just that you
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do it all the time okay actually i don't eat eminence anymore i eat trail mix you
32:17
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32:20
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32:24
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oh my oh can we do this one
35:28
okay i'm sorry okay but the thing is only part of this is news
35:33
all right fine we'll do your stupid ps5 thing no this is good i didn't want to talk about this no i'm already i'm
35:37
already screen sharing the original article here from express.co.uk ps5
35:41
rumors are it might come out this christmas a lot of people think those rumors are dumb so this started on a
35:46
website uh called what is it called the
35:50
situation or we're gonna have to stop calling you lazy semi accurate we're gonna have to
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go with we're gonna have to go with savage james
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here have some savage jerky that was savage uh okay so i actually
36:03
this this website has a great name in this context semiaccurate.com
36:08
behind a one thousand dollar per year paywall or 100 a year for students this
36:13
website published an article with allegedly legit information claiming
36:18
that the playstation 5 was going to come out this holiday season which is a lot
36:21
sooner than people would think considering that the ps4 pro came out
36:25
only two years ago and the ps4 itself only came out five years ago and when
36:29
traditionally the launch cycles of these things have been
36:33
about seven years between the three and four
36:36
uh so people think that you can
36:39
sony can make a lot more money off the ps4 pro still
36:43
the like that can become the de facto like normal default playstation for
36:46
people and they can start to push the price down to like 250 bucks they don't
36:49
need to release the new playstation just yet
36:53
ps4 pro was two years ago
36:57
yeah bro see the older you get the faster time
37:01
goes what because each year of your life is a
37:05
smaller proportion of your life no it was a year and a half
37:09
huh okay oh okay i should have written the months in
37:14
oh okay no no but by the time this launched in the at christmas it would be
37:18
two years oh i see your point okay okay okay
37:21
so here's okay do you want to go through the
37:25
rumored specs first sure it's gonna be AMD again the
37:29
platform like the architecture is navi it's gonna be eight cores and i actually
37:33
have a question about that if we get to it yeah it's gonna have a strong emphasis on vr support
37:38
that some discussion there you know they have to make certain considerations and
37:42
decisions uh to include that and maybe no one
37:46
cares but maybe no one cares if there's no good vr yet and this is a chicken and
37:50
egg thing they did recently drop the price of the psvr
37:54
but i i don't know what my understanding is that the psvr is the best-selling
37:59
gaming uh vr headset but i also don't
38:02
know if that's meeting sony's expectations in terms of how many they
38:06
have to sell in order to support it it's uh i think at this point it's a
38:10
rising tide lifts all boats thing with vr
38:14
it's a setup for future profits uh what else do we know about this thing we know
38:18
that the CPU would be rumored to be zen based although
38:21
we could pretty much take for granted that any future custom soc that AMD would
38:26
produce for whether it's microsoft or sony would hopefully be zen based at
38:31
this point so here's my question and again noob question maybe
38:36
on the pc in the realm of pc gaming
38:39
prior to ryzen and coffee lake for sure single threaded all the games and
38:44
engines and all that apis are optimized for single threaded right
38:49
so depends mostly
38:54
strongly it strongly depends so some of them
38:59
basically since we started getting dual cores which
39:02
was actually uh a really long time ago now
39:07
which is sort of terrible at least 10 years more than that yeah you're in
39:11
laptops 10 years ago q6600 i remember buying
39:15
our q 6600 engineering sample
39:19
which technically you're neither supposed to buy nor sell
39:23
um from my old boss at ncix
39:26
back in 2007. so yes
39:29
quad core and that was a like 600 700
39:32
CPU so that was like the first non-extreme edition quad core
39:38
but certainly not mainstream yet dennis just walked by with an eggplant so we've
39:42
got
39:45
that so we've had quad cores on the desktop
39:51
for 10 years and that chip later dropped in price i think probably about
39:56
eight months to eight to 12 months later and became far more accessible
40:02
so ever since then we have seen an
40:05
onward march towards supporting more cores now in the early days the support
40:09
was fairly rudimentary like you would have one core dedicated to like
40:14
mostly the entire game and then you'd have another one that handled
40:19
like maybe enemy ai like like like one
40:22
thing okay it'd be offloaded but over time they got
40:26
to supporting more and more and more threads natively and i believe crisis
40:30
three supports something like four
40:33
well the why is it then when ryzen came out and it had all these cores
40:38
everyone was stoked on it and in theory the performance should
40:42
be a lot of these Intel skus it didn't and it was because we had to
40:46
wait for the game developers to optimize their games and the apis for quality
40:50
core okay so there were a couple of things that happened um first of all
40:54
a lot of the things that people were excited about with ryzen and about
40:57
multi-core on ryzen well actually i think it's mainly two things one is that
41:02
AMD depending on how you look at it
41:06
and it's complicated but AMD wasn't that
41:10
far behind Intel for gaming in a from a certain point of view as
41:15
obi-wan might put it um because at the
41:18
resolutions that you would be likely to run games at so higher resolution with
41:22
higher details you'd be more likely to hit a GPU bottleneck than a CPU one
41:27
so in that sense AMD cpus weren't that
41:30
far off unless you did want to turn down your
41:34
details to get higher frame rates because you were a competitive player
41:37
or unless you were um
41:41
you cared about your power consumption because they did consume a lot more
41:45
power before zen or if you wanted more up-to-date
41:49
features on the platform because by the end of it like those boards were looking
41:53
pretty dated in terms of their feature sets so there were lots of other things
41:56
let me fully actually finish the question the final clause of
42:00
the question is given that in the pc side
42:04
it's so weird that in the comp console side you've got these
42:08
multi-core AMD chips like ruling the roost on like all
42:13
the consoles so are game developers taking different
42:18
approaches on console and pc so okay
42:21
so
42:25
back to your question the things people were excited about AMD having better
42:28
single threaded performance for gaming and AMD having multi-threaded
42:33
performance for other workloads and also to put pressure
42:37
on Intel because that's what Intel did right they
42:40
launched quad core on the desktop back in like 2006
42:44
and it was quad core on the desktop up until
42:47
2000 and in one six
42:51
that was pretty much it unless you wanted to sprint there were six there were six core AMD
42:56
cpus and like two no but i mean on the Intel side yeah yeah okay the thing about those six core AMD processors
43:00
though is that they didn't threaten Intel even with six cores they weren't
43:04
competitive with Intel's own quad cores that they could turn out so it didn't so
43:07
it wasn't really relevant and they sucked more power they didn't overclock there was there was a bunch of things so
43:12
people were excited because zen would bring more competition to the
43:17
market now getting back to AMD's previous course not necessarily being
43:22
that underpowered for gaming well that's what you're seeing on the game consoles
43:27
so because the game developers know exactly what hardware they're optimizing
43:31
for they can go okay we're gonna have exactly this oh right
43:35
the other issue with zen performance on the desktop in games was actually more
43:39
software and firmware related there were scheduler issues with Windows um and
43:43
there were i mean any new CPU it's kind of like why i put um
43:49
uh what was the what was the not set of the
43:52
6950xs in the editing machines like three weeks before the new 18 core
43:57
flagship came out the reason is that anytime you have a new CPU launch
44:01
whether it's AMD or Intel and particularly on this last round where
44:04
both amt and Intel were guilty of pulling up their launches
44:09
just to like just to have something out there and them being not quite 100
44:13
polished anytime you have a new CPU you're gonna
44:16
have some some issues and um that was a big part of what affected
44:21
gaming performance on the desktop and sometimes game developers did have to
44:25
optimize because even though it's x86
44:28
it's it's not like a new CPU is just
44:31
the old CPU but like with a trogdor
44:38
like it's actually different
44:41
and so if you gave even a let's say you gave a professional driver
44:46
um and i don't i don't know cars but so
44:49
you'll have to forgive me but let's say you gave them a bugatti and a
44:53
lamborghini a some model x and y and you
44:56
were like okay get the best track time on this track
45:01
it would take them a little while if they switched from this one to that one
45:04
to learn the best way to do it even if this one was more powerful like they are
45:08
they're div they're different machines so
45:12
coming back to consoles this has been a very sort of winding topic here um
45:16
they know exactly what they're optimizing for they don't have to make any guesses
45:20
and they are going to run the game in such a way and they're
45:24
going to optimize the game in such a way that you aren't going to run out of CPU resources also by the end of AMD's
45:29
non-zen course while the performance wasn't great their power efficiency was
45:34
getting a lot better so they take this good power efficiency
45:37
and they've got four kind of like good enough cores and they've got developers
45:41
who know that they can split it up exactly in this way because it's going
45:45
to run on four course there's not going to be some yahoo out there running a
45:48
dual core because Intel still has dual cores for some reason
45:54
um and they can and they can split it up that way to make the best possible use
45:58
of the quad core and then the GPU well they can push the game's visual effects
46:02
to the max so that they can run into a GPU bottleneck rather than a CPU one also
46:06
it's a console it's gonna run on a tv it doesn't have to run higher than 60fps
46:10
anyway cool i get it there's the long the very very long answer hopefully that
46:14
was finished you're bacon you've been well so good talking with your hands way
46:19
too much to still be holding that
46:22
bacon so please and now to circle all the way back to the beginning
46:26
in your opinion is the ps5 coming out in 2018
46:31
even if it's december 31st
46:34
okay consider that when the ps4 i think was it pro
46:40
came out which it was it was either the pro or the ps4 it came out in november and we
46:45
knew about it february of that year if this is going to come out on the
46:48
holiday april yep yeah we're two months beyond that this now it probably would
46:52
be launching in november if they're trying to make the holiday yeah
46:56
so that's a short media window to get the media hype running so do you think
47:00
it's coming out this year so normally i would say absolutely not and the reason
47:05
is that up until now every playstation
47:08
whether it was emotion or whether it was cell or whether it was a move to jaguar
47:15
every playstation has been architecturally dramatically different
47:20
totally different so if you told me in april there's a
47:25
playstation coming in november i'd tell you to go take a long walk off a short
47:28
pier because you're an idiot because there's no way that in what what does
47:33
that work out to seven months there's no way that in seven months
47:38
anyone is going to have launch titles ready because they're going to have to
47:41
completely re like recode aspects of
47:44
these games in order to run on this new machine the developer things are already
47:48
out there okay that is known okay so that we know but
47:52
even then like i'm saying there's still no way that seven months would be even
47:55
close like a modern triple a game remember you can't launch a console
47:59
without uh unless you're nintendo
48:04
at least a couple triple a tier games
48:07
and those take literally years to develop and it's not going to be
48:12
it's not going to be good enough to just take some existing titles and go now at
48:17
you know 4k with better details or whatever else if if people were really
48:21
into that they'd go buy a pc however because a playstation 5 would be
48:27
just playstation 4 on steroids
48:32
with zen course which is going to make a big difference that's going to be like
48:36
really nice and then presumably and it
48:39
says navi based graphics which would be again very nice remember this is not
48:43
vega this is a new architecture past vega
48:47
um because it would be just like that on steroids new architectures but much more
48:52
powerful ones but still fundamentally x86 and uh
48:57
crap what does AMD call their thing again so what you're saying is a gcn it's kind
49:01
of like psccn anymore
49:05
anyway you're saying it's kind of like ps4 pro pro
49:09
yeah like but way more pro because the ps4 pro relied on crossfire which was a
49:13
bad approach um i think actually your theory we might
49:17
have some credence given that one of the other leaked bullet points here is that
49:21
the ps5 would be backwards compatible with ps4 pro titles why not
49:27
yeah it might as well be right because it's
49:30
fundamentally pretty similar in terms of the hardware
49:34
and so you've got you go you go
49:38
this site semi-accurate um you haven't heard of it apparently but
49:42
i've been following charlie i don't remember how to pronounce dimerajin jim
49:46
murray jane whatever charlie i've been following charlie since about
49:52
2002 back when he used to work at the inquirer
49:55
um not the national enquirer the enquirer and back then the inquirer was
50:03
the bomb for industry leaks they they do have a track record of of being
50:08
prescient and accurately leaking specifically console related
50:14
leaks in the past now i've been wrong a couple times with something i can suggest why that might be
50:19
um see okay
50:22
and it makes me a little uncomfortable because i've never really talked to
50:26
charlie much so i don't want to like talk about him when i don't actually
50:30
know him that well but what i can say is that i do know that i've never seen him
50:36
at an industry event that isn't an AMD one
50:40
okay so what i can
50:44
extrapolate from that particular data point
50:47
is that if AMD talks to him and no one else does
50:53
and he gets industry information somehow
50:57
okay that maybe he's getting his information from
51:01
that's pretty interesting contacts at AMD and if he would be if he has a track
51:06
record of leaking console news
51:10
which AMD has their hardware in up until the
51:14
switch had their hardware in all three
51:17
um that would align with my guesses as to
51:21
where his sources might be from
51:24
so that to me adds some credibility because over the
51:28
years charlie has taken a lot of flack for saying a lot of stuff that didn't
51:32
turn out to be true but
51:36
as a reader of his over the years who
51:40
you know takes rumors with the grain of salt you pay the thousand dollars a year
51:44
no okay no i i i i read before
51:48
i read before he put up the paywall so but as someone who's kind of paid
51:52
attention to his career he's been right enough that if you read with the
51:56
grain of salt that you should take rumors with in the first place and he
52:00
called the site semi accurate i mean what more do you want um
52:04
he's offered a lot of insight over the years
52:08
that's what all that's what i'll say so all right i'm not saying yeah there's
52:11
gonna be a ps5 but i would suggest that
52:14
this might be why um sony hasn't had a
52:19
response to the xbox one x yet and
52:23
this might have been a good move for them to let microsoft launch the one x a few
52:27
months ago and then say okay you know what we're gonna miss out on having the
52:31
crown for like a year but realistically microsoft can't run out
52:36
and release a new xbox again
52:40
so we're giving up this year now of console
52:44
you know thrown them but we should have a year or maybe more than that afterward
52:49
while microsoft responds yeah they want to wait until the ps4 pro sales have
52:53
peaked and are starting to taper off but also enough time
52:58
so people through some people who bought a ps4 pro
53:01
will also buy a ps5 at launch
53:05
obviously not everyone's gonna do that another major factor is that they're
53:08
they're at AMD's mercy here they can't release a faster console until AMD
53:12
releases a faster freaking piece of hardware
53:16
so that custom soc design process takes
53:20
time and you can't start that process until
53:24
the individual components of it so both the CPU and GPU are at least somewhat
53:29
finalized so this that looks i mean that timeline sounds not that you know what
53:34
the more we talk about this i'm going with it
53:38
ps5 this q4 it's on put your balls on the
53:41
table there you go bet something um so the bet would be either it's coming
53:46
out holiday season or it's being announced at e3
53:50
next june um or i guess this june yeah i don't
53:55
know i'm gonna say i'm gonna say it's coming holiday season i don't know exactly how
54:00
they're gonna handle the hype leading up to the release but you know what i'm in
54:03
when are they gonna announce it they can't wait till e3 at june that's could
54:06
they yeah they could yeah that gives them like a few months do they need to announce it at a conference or or an
54:11
event or can they just launch it more and more companies excuse
54:14
me i mean announce it microsoft did this for the xbox one
54:18
more and more companies are just doing an apple style
54:21
uh like conference they're just doing you know what
54:24
forget it we're not going to announce things at ces or computex or e3 or
54:27
whatever we'll do our world of our own party but they do it apple does it at their own conference every year exactly
54:31
but does sony have one of those um i don't know if sony's done that but more
54:35
and more companies are trying to do this so yeah let's find out
54:38
maybe they maybe they'll just do their own thing
54:41
i'm seeing ces 73
54:45
you never know wc speaking of things you never know you never know when big
54:50
brother is watching the original article here is from cnet sorry for the abrupt
54:54
change in topics but i really want to cover this and it's like 20 after six
54:57
already and i really want to talk about this
55:00
i am going to shenzhen on monday
55:06
so an ai company that works with shenzhen police is creating a system
55:11
that will use cctv cameras to identify
55:14
jaywalkers and send them a fine via a messaging app
55:19
okay so full disclosure here that's cnet articles from july 2017
55:24
because this is the fact that people's uh are getting
55:29
in trouble like their faces are being projected onto a giant billboard in real
55:32
time because these facial recognition equipped cameras are watching them
55:36
jaywalk that's old news that that's been since last summer the new
55:41
update now is that if that happens to
55:44
you you might just get an sms that's like here's your fine bud click through
55:48
and pay it could be sms could be in wechat which is
55:53
i guess guess compared to chinese whatsapp
55:56
so over 10 months ending in february of this year these boards that they created
56:01
displayed thirteen thousand nine hundred and thirty jaywalker faces
56:06
it's like a like a public shaming thing yeah well apparently jaywalking is a
56:10
bigger deal in china than it is over here i can kind of see that there's more
56:14
people they have a different attitude both the pedestrians have a different
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attitude to the law according to chinese
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political party opinion anyway and drivers have a different standpoint to
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pedestrian right of way apparently
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i saw there's studies where in germany you might only wait 60 seconds to cross
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the road but in china it might be 90 seconds and that's longer than people
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who need to wait and even when it's their turn the drivers might still just
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drop like not respect their right-of-way anyway so there's a lot of jaywalking
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and presumably because of the number of people there there's it causes a lot of
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traffic and bottlenecks so there's a high incentive for for the government to
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try to work this out so one of the ways they'll de-incentivize people to jaywalk
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is by socially shaming them putting their face and their family name by the
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way up on a giant billboard that you can see um and now i guess they're attaching
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a monetary incentive or de-incentive on
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that as well i mean this is just so apparently only about 10 of the
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population can be identified by the city or by the system in the city of shenzhen
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but if you consider that they're already working with
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third parties like these chat applications to deliver fines presumably
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they could work with third parties like um
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crap what's their uh what's their amazon alibaba like they could work with
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alibaba aliexpress is is part is like yeah but
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alibaba is like to contact manufacturers not to just buy stuff right you're right
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um so they could work with um wait hold on a second
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oh where's he going
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alibaba group chinese multinational yeah no alibaba
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group not like alibaba.com necessarily okay um anyway so the point is that they
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could work with companies like that that have or they could work with um
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chinese phone manufacturers for example that
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i'm not going to say who or what they're doing now but have been known in the
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past to put you know back doors on phones and or share information with the
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chinese government so they could work with these groups
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to make the facial recognition just one part of how they identify you so they
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could monitor where you go what you buy uh who you spend your time with and they
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could use all of these things to augment their facial recognition technology so
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that they could actually make a very very good guess
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as to who you are even if they don't get a
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perfect look at your face and where you are they can track you while you're driving your car exactly there are
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apparently 600 million cctv cameras in china
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it's like it's getting to full-on surveillance state
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and some of these things are positive like there's there's benefits from it um
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you can go to certain airports in china and be and not have a boarding pass it's
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all facial recognition your hands are full of your bags you just walk by the
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fl the attendant as you go into the plane like that's pretty sweet wow
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maybe they'll get to do that if you're in an airport that has that you should make a video
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there's no way i would be able to do it because oh yeah yeah that doesn't make any sense in fact the reason why only 10
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of the population of shenzhen uh gets their faces recognized is because
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i presumably it's like the database of all the different provinces isn't
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integrated so if you live in shenzhen but you're from a different province then they just don't have your record
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available so that's why they think that the number
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of people who will be susceptible to this tech should
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go up dramatically once they do get a more broadly based system
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in the future all right last topic for the day because
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we are not going to stop harping on this at least until you guys get bored of it
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more GeForce partner program news
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ASUS to ares
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is it just me or does that sound like kind of like a spanish i'm actually
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trying to figure out if it's supposed to be like aries
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well aries used to be they had aries before with an s on the end what they
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called their rog AMD based cards so it
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was at the at the very high end they had mars on the NVIDIA well maybe that's
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intentional because they're not allowed to say rog anymore they're still saying strix
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so maybe people will remember that aries was rog because
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losing rog hurts man like people consumers know what rog is and they want
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to buy it which is still bizarre to me because i still remember being just like
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baffled and angered by the original
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implementation of that branding i was just like this is so stupid what does
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republic of gamers even mean what is this like a place where all the gamers
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live you've never been it smells weird but it's pretty dope
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there
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that's what we need as a new sponsor like a deodorant product people's
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republic the sales pitch writes itself it's like too busy gaming to shower
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just use this spray no problem
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at least for a little while eventually you'll have a problem um
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so heuristics ASUS rog strix turns into
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ares or ares strix ASUS dual tunes into
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rs dual ASUS expedition which i've never even
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heard of before turns into rs expedition it's way out there so not only
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do we appear to be losing
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rog branding it looks like they aren't even putting a seuss branding on the
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cards that that weirds me out a little bit
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isn't that a maybe like at what point is somebody going to leak this freaking
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agreement so that we can have a look at it because i'll tell you usually 99 of the time
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when like you know some controversial document gets leaked or
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whatever i'll like read a bunch of articles kind of figure out what the
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consensus is and go okay yeah or i might i might read a couple of paragraphs of
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the thing if if the GeForce partner program leaked i would read the whole
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thing like multiple times i i want i want to understand i don't just want to
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see what's in there i want to understand what's in there because this sounds like
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a scary freaking document well in the original uh
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what's the site that leaked it hard ocp right in that original blog post
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or article he uh
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wondered if it was actually legal
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i don't know man me too
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so thanks for watching guys uh see you again next week same bad time same bad
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channel so much bacon maybe different co-hosts
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no no no no hold on no hold on no hold
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up hold on a minute that time variable co-host well i meant were you looking at
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the dates of packs no no no we're gonna we're gonna straw pull this we're gonna
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drop all this james okay
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good job
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all right let's go let's get some options in here yes
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no donkey balls oh
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i'm gonna log in and vote donkey ball create this pole here come on you guys
63:28
you gotta let us know do you really want a new co-host next week
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i guess i ignored the possibility that the new co-host being replaced would be
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me because i'm traveling next week so oh yeah
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some people have said that luke james is their favorite combo
63:44
well it was my mom
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she's biased oh
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terrible hey more donkey balls than nose come on donkey balls let's get it let's
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get our act together here that's a win i want to see some more donkey ball
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that's what the poster on your office door is about
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donkey balls inside well i don't need the whole donkey for that wait
64:09
Linus likes donkey balls james donkey
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and we'll see you again next week
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good show most people said good job cool 51 so it's like a very narrow mouse
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that was a good show that was fun it felt uh smooth
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no we're still live right that's good
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i felt smooth buttery savage jerky smooth like honey
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three xbox number four
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