WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.240 we go 00:00:04.400 --> 00:00:11.920 we're live it's rancho time luke is at 00:00:08.639 --> 00:00:13.920 pax in boston thank you for asking 00:00:11.920 --> 00:00:17.440 james is here james is here yeah 00:00:14.920 --> 00:00:21.439 hey new luke discount luke discount luke said 00:00:20.080 --> 00:00:26.960 everyone uh sorry we're late you guys i 00:00:24.160 --> 00:00:32.960 have to confess that it was not entirely my fault 00:00:29.359 --> 00:00:37.200 james was at least partially to blame 00:00:32.960 --> 00:00:40.320 go on um well james distracted me with 00:00:37.200 --> 00:00:43.520 his marvelous beard i spent 00:00:40.320 --> 00:00:46.000 25 minutes just staring at it today 00:00:43.520 --> 00:00:52.079 rather than working which happens to be exactly the amount of time that i'm late 00:00:48.239 --> 00:00:52.079 Yvonne looks confused and worried 00:00:52.640 --> 00:00:58.079 she shouldn't be confused but she can be a little worried if she'd like 00:00:57.199 --> 00:01:00.960 so she knows by now 00:01:01.520 --> 00:01:08.799 um in all seriousness guys we have got 00:01:05.040 --> 00:01:10.159 uh oh apparently the left ear is um 00:01:08.799 --> 00:01:15.680 not getting the right amount of attention oh crap 00:01:13.439 --> 00:01:18.000 i i legitimately don't know how to fix that 00:01:16.720 --> 00:01:23.759 um put your headphones in mono um yeah that 00:01:21.040 --> 00:01:27.119 that may actually be the solution because i don't remember which dial does 00:01:26.080 --> 00:01:31.439 what uh uh um uh 00:01:29.600 --> 00:01:34.720 uh yeah okay 00:01:32.720 --> 00:01:38.799 so yup nope no i don't actually know how that stuff 00:01:36.400 --> 00:01:43.439 works so there you go uh apparently left and why do people 00:01:41.439 --> 00:01:47.759 change these things why would anyone change that 00:01:45.280 --> 00:01:52.399 once again we didn't touch it all week and once again it's different gremlins i 00:01:50.320 --> 00:01:57.280 swear there are gremlins living in it so what's actually going on is i have been 00:01:54.960 --> 00:02:03.680 in a mad sprint to get a bunch of stuff done because i am going to china 00:02:01.520 --> 00:02:08.239 i will be gone all next week but there will still be videos because this week 00:02:06.240 --> 00:02:12.720 instead of being on time for WAN Show i was shooting two videos uh one's 00:02:10.640 --> 00:02:15.360 actually pretty cool the other one's garbage yeah the other 00:02:14.160 --> 00:02:20.480 one the other one's kind of lame um yeah no 00:02:17.840 --> 00:02:26.720 one of them uh Intel released an entire lineup of called xeon w that as far as 00:02:24.800 --> 00:02:30.480 we can could tell as far as we could tell is basically 00:02:29.599 --> 00:02:38.160 their core series high-end desktop processors 00:02:33.440 --> 00:02:39.200 with a xeon sticker over top of core i9 00:02:38.160 --> 00:02:45.200 and some ecc support kind of ticked on in 00:02:42.319 --> 00:02:48.560 the microcode or with a non-lasered connection somewhere in the chip or 00:02:46.720 --> 00:02:55.120 something along those lines at least that's what we thought 00:02:52.000 --> 00:02:56.959 and that turned out to be very true so 00:02:55.120 --> 00:03:00.720 that that's going to be interesting so you can see what you're paying an extra 00:02:58.959 --> 00:03:05.120 uh as much as like five six hundred bucks for depending on what kind of a currency you 00:03:03.200 --> 00:03:08.720 use and i'm just mad that that was like a spoiler 00:03:06.560 --> 00:03:11.840 yeah i guess it's kind of a spoiler i mean 00:03:10.239 --> 00:03:18.159 people who watch the wen show we want to spoil them they're nice people they're good people 00:03:14.319 --> 00:03:20.239 you the best um 00:03:18.159 --> 00:03:24.560 second one is actually on the lenovo x1 carbon really nice machine yeah 00:03:23.280 --> 00:03:28.720 but like everything this year it is not quite 00:03:27.200 --> 00:03:31.680 perfect which will drive me to madness at some point 00:03:30.560 --> 00:03:36.519 because you got either 1080p with touch 00:03:35.599 --> 00:03:42.319 or 1440p with HDR 00:03:39.840 --> 00:03:46.400 but no touchy is there any 00:03:43.840 --> 00:03:51.519 technical reason for that um actually i remember talking to them back at ces and 00:03:49.360 --> 00:03:55.760 i managed to get not a marketing person which is always awesome 00:03:53.760 --> 00:04:01.200 when you manage to find like the engineering guy that's kind of like 00:03:58.720 --> 00:04:05.280 kind of like back at the back of the booth or like kind of 00:04:03.439 --> 00:04:09.680 sipping a coffee they don't let me talk to people like yeah i'm just i'm here 00:04:07.599 --> 00:04:13.599 but like realistically i'm not really supposed to say anything 00:04:11.599 --> 00:04:18.720 um you know whatever so you go find that 00:04:15.519 --> 00:04:22.560 guy and he'll be like 00:04:18.720 --> 00:04:24.800 you know yeah i wanted that too but 00:04:22.560 --> 00:04:29.600 yeah there was there was some issue with this and i don't remember what the 00:04:26.560 --> 00:04:30.960 reason was it seemed to be a fairly 00:04:29.600 --> 00:04:35.280 fairly good one um and anyway we actually had a great 00:04:33.520 --> 00:04:39.919 chat but you remember a technical reason it wasn't just they were trying to hit a particular price point there was a 00:04:37.840 --> 00:04:43.919 business reason okay there was there was a compelling enough reason because i 00:04:41.600 --> 00:04:50.639 remember we had a long chat where we were discussing sort of the stagnation 00:04:47.120 --> 00:04:54.160 of display technology in the pc space 00:04:50.639 --> 00:04:55.600 no one does anything until apple does it 00:04:54.160 --> 00:05:04.160 because you think about it a pc up till the very high end would be like 00:04:59.800 --> 00:05:06.400 1366 by 768 you remember that horrible 00:05:04.160 --> 00:05:11.440 sort of hd resolution that they were pushing for a while 00:05:08.639 --> 00:05:16.479 freaking awful and that was like the norm until apple came out 00:05:14.240 --> 00:05:21.600 and was like okay no retina retina is a thing now and then everyone 00:05:18.240 --> 00:05:23.759 everyone raced to retina but it's all it 00:05:21.600 --> 00:05:30.000 all feels kind of like like it's driven by just responsiveness 00:05:26.960 --> 00:05:31.360 rather than trying to uh trying to 00:05:30.000 --> 00:05:36.160 innovate in a way that's meaningful to the consumer so i would look at notebook 00:05:34.000 --> 00:05:41.280 displays and i would go why are we trying to sell 4k 00:05:39.520 --> 00:05:46.479 why aren't we just running a sensible resolution like 2560 by 1440 and doing 00:05:44.320 --> 00:05:52.960 it at a higher refresh rate that's what i'd like to see i don't mind 00:05:48.400 --> 00:05:55.039 seeing features like HDR for example but 00:05:52.960 --> 00:05:58.000 i don't necessarily want to compromise on them so 00:05:58.479 --> 00:06:05.280 um yeah to be clear we are trying to we are 00:06:02.639 --> 00:06:10.080 trying to fix the audio but for now what i would recommend 00:06:07.199 --> 00:06:14.080 is that you use the i'm watching a podcast but my kids are 00:06:12.639 --> 00:06:19.199 in the next room and i need to hear if they're crying technique i i can't do 00:06:16.880 --> 00:06:23.919 one headphone really i can't do it i don't know it's psychology it falls out 00:06:21.120 --> 00:06:27.360 no no no no it's just the sound of it i think i'm i think 00:06:25.520 --> 00:06:31.520 i'm like focusing on the fact that one of my your ears is getting worn out 00:06:29.520 --> 00:06:35.600 faster than the other i need them to be balanced 00:06:33.520 --> 00:06:41.039 what that's insane 00:06:38.639 --> 00:06:45.039 i all can see it it could be insane it just bugs me 00:06:42.319 --> 00:06:49.759 so and okay let's say that i let's say that i do subscribe to oh wait it's too 00:06:47.600 --> 00:06:53.039 loud Anthony just scream at him out there 00:06:51.919 --> 00:06:58.639 yeah i i'm between a rock and a hard place no no it's fine i'll message him um 00:06:56.880 --> 00:07:03.360 technology let's see him walk me away um 00:07:01.360 --> 00:07:07.280 so let's say that i do subscribe to your theory that listening to headphones is 00:07:05.280 --> 00:07:12.479 going to wear out my ears wouldn't i want 00:07:09.280 --> 00:07:15.520 to wear them out less 00:07:12.479 --> 00:07:17.599 uh okay no it's it's not the fact 00:07:15.520 --> 00:07:21.120 so i would use just one for a bit right right here here i'll show you i'll show 00:07:18.960 --> 00:07:25.199 you the technique i came up with i call it the i call it the james is crazy but 00:07:23.280 --> 00:07:29.440 maybe just crazy enough for it to work technique 00:07:26.479 --> 00:07:32.560 i'm gonna listen for a little while here i'm gonna listen for a little while here 00:07:30.639 --> 00:07:36.560 i actually miss very little of my program 00:07:33.840 --> 00:07:39.919 but you're saving on 50 your erosion so 00:07:37.680 --> 00:07:44.720 your erosion okay here's the thing it's not hold on just a second i hate you so 00:07:42.080 --> 00:07:47.599 much it's not that they're getting used or worn out like your brakes on the 00:07:46.400 --> 00:07:51.039 car that's fine it's that they're getting used unequally 00:07:51.199 --> 00:07:56.639 okay all right all right but this is all this was just like the 00:07:55.520 --> 00:08:00.160 seed that that resulted in me just hating the 00:07:58.560 --> 00:08:03.840 feeling of it now right this is like when i was like 12 or something right 00:08:04.800 --> 00:08:09.199 uh oh man luke even he knew i wouldn't 00:08:08.319 --> 00:08:13.599 check so he went out of his way to message me 00:08:11.919 --> 00:08:16.639 and tell me make sure that you change the title of the WAN Show because i'm 00:08:15.280 --> 00:08:19.199 changing it for the thing that i'm doing at pax 00:08:22.240 --> 00:08:27.240 fridays uh 17. 00:08:27.840 --> 00:08:33.599 can we talk about news while you do that what you want to talk about news you you 00:08:31.680 --> 00:08:37.440 want the work that you do on this show to actually 00:08:34.959 --> 00:08:42.240 like be for something yeah that's madness um yeah fine okay what do you 00:08:40.159 --> 00:08:48.240 want okay well there's a a thread on our forum uh posted by 00:08:45.839 --> 00:08:51.200 aluminum tech also known as aluminium tech 00:08:49.440 --> 00:08:56.720 and this thread is about the facebook messenger app and how zuckerberg the ceo 00:08:54.320 --> 00:08:59.519 of facebook this week uh confirmed that facebook does indeed 00:08:58.240 --> 00:09:04.160 scan your messages whether they're pictures or text or whatever 00:09:02.399 --> 00:09:08.560 make sure make sure that they conform with community guidelines 00:09:06.160 --> 00:09:12.399 before actually sending it to the to the recipient so 00:09:10.959 --> 00:09:17.360 if you send something that's against their guidelines like hate speech or inciting genocide or something like that 00:09:15.920 --> 00:09:22.399 they may not actually deliver that message to whoever you're talking to 00:09:19.200 --> 00:09:24.959 which uh definitely has some benefits 00:09:22.399 --> 00:09:30.080 but the thread on our forum kind of erroneously implies that the 00:09:28.959 --> 00:09:34.160 that we're not just talking about facebook messenger's normal messaging 00:09:32.160 --> 00:09:37.760 when we're talking about this uh this surveillance it implies that we're 00:09:35.920 --> 00:09:41.360 talking about facebook's secret function which is more akin to apps like signal 00:09:40.399 --> 00:09:46.399 or telegram and that's actually not the case facebook does have a function 00:09:44.959 --> 00:09:51.040 facebook messenger has a function where you can make your your chats 00:09:49.120 --> 00:09:53.920 encrypted end to end and like the interface turns black and there's a 00:09:52.320 --> 00:10:00.640 little lock and you can even make exploding messages like snapchat style 00:09:57.120 --> 00:10:02.800 facebook is not scanning those messages 00:10:00.640 --> 00:10:06.880 at all or maybe they are and we have no evidence of it but the the news or the 00:10:04.720 --> 00:10:11.120 whatever zuckerberg confirmed has nothing to do with the secret messages 00:10:08.320 --> 00:10:16.160 it has to do with the normal messages and so we really shouldn't be surprised 00:10:13.200 --> 00:10:20.720 that they're looking at those so tell me then 00:10:18.959 --> 00:10:26.640 okay do you use facebook messenger yeah actually it's one of my primary messaging apps okay how do you feel 00:10:24.079 --> 00:10:30.839 about them scanning your messages with an automated system 00:10:29.200 --> 00:10:35.200 for community guidelines standards adherence 00:10:35.360 --> 00:10:40.720 as opposed to like a human well i guess i wanna i'm asking two questions first 00:10:39.200 --> 00:10:45.200 so um do you like or dislike it 00:10:43.519 --> 00:10:48.480 i believe okay first of all i think we should clarify i believe that they're 00:10:46.720 --> 00:10:53.120 scanned with an automated system and once they're flagged it requires a human 00:10:50.959 --> 00:10:56.640 to then say this message is not getting sent through i believe that's how it 00:10:54.640 --> 00:11:00.399 works sure i am fine with my messages being scanned 00:10:59.279 --> 00:11:05.839 okay and are you surprised by this no no you 00:11:03.760 --> 00:11:09.519 should also mention that they do not use the data that 00:11:06.959 --> 00:11:14.399 any of the information that they scan that information is not used to sell ads 00:11:12.000 --> 00:11:18.000 which is what gmail used to do prior to last year 00:11:15.760 --> 00:11:18.000 right 00:11:20.000 --> 00:11:24.800 so i gotta tell you um i 00:11:23.279 --> 00:11:30.399 so okay okay story time so 00:11:27.040 --> 00:11:34.079 the only reason that i use facebook is 00:11:30.399 --> 00:11:37.600 that facebook does not permit you 00:11:34.079 --> 00:11:40.079 to manage a facebook page 00:11:37.600 --> 00:11:43.440 um so the first page that i had to manage and the reason that i had to 00:11:41.360 --> 00:11:48.240 create a facebook account was the one for ncix pc back when i worked there so 00:11:46.320 --> 00:11:52.160 we were trying to get into this whole newfangled social media thing 00:11:50.959 --> 00:11:57.040 and so i needed an account so that the page 00:11:54.000 --> 00:11:58.640 could invite me to manage it um and make 00:11:57.040 --> 00:12:03.360 posts on it and stuff i have probably posted of my own 00:12:00.880 --> 00:12:06.160 volition a grand total of i don't know between five and ten things on facebook 00:12:05.200 --> 00:12:12.800 ever um i only use facebook messenger as sort 00:12:08.880 --> 00:12:15.120 of a um as a digital phone book because 00:12:12.800 --> 00:12:17.120 the the good thing about facebook is that 00:12:16.160 --> 00:12:21.760 whether um you know 00:12:19.760 --> 00:12:24.800 whether you're happy about it or whether you kind of just do it because you have 00:12:23.440 --> 00:12:29.440 to pretty much everyone has it and and yes 00:12:27.519 --> 00:12:33.680 thank you whoever's in the twitch chat declaring that they do not have facebook 00:12:31.680 --> 00:12:36.880 because they're taking some stand 00:12:35.360 --> 00:12:40.880 good for you we're all jealous we all want to be in your shoes but but but the 00:12:39.279 --> 00:12:45.680 truth of the matter is that facebook is a great way to get in touch with people 00:12:43.120 --> 00:12:47.839 and aside from people changing their names 00:12:46.720 --> 00:12:51.120 um like yeah 00:12:51.279 --> 00:12:57.120 i i okay like having your first name and middle name as your facebook name no no 00:12:55.200 --> 00:13:01.279 i mean i mean people getting married oh okay so there's a this is kind of 00:12:58.800 --> 00:13:06.639 embarrassing but i was going through my friends on facebook and i was like who 00:13:03.519 --> 00:13:07.839 are these people 00:13:06.639 --> 00:13:13.040 and the shut up the people i was confused about 00:13:11.360 --> 00:13:16.560 were mostly women from my high school class that are 00:13:15.360 --> 00:13:22.399 now married and i was like that kind of looks oh oh 00:13:20.959 --> 00:13:26.399 okay that that makes sense 00:13:24.480 --> 00:13:30.720 um and then like a kid that i went to elementary school with he changed his 00:13:28.480 --> 00:13:35.839 name from like his his stepdad's name which was his 00:13:33.920 --> 00:13:41.200 last name for some reason i'm not quite sure how that worked to his birth 00:13:37.920 --> 00:13:43.680 father's name oh so i was like oh your 00:13:41.200 --> 00:13:46.560 whatever your name is barry now um 00:13:44.800 --> 00:13:50.720 that's cool wouldn't have known that if i had from barry to barry happy e to be 00:13:48.560 --> 00:13:54.880 a um that would be tough but anyway so what's 00:13:52.240 --> 00:13:57.760 good about facebook is that it's it's a digital phone book it's because 00:13:56.560 --> 00:14:02.079 the real phone books aren't a thing anymore um but the bad thing about it 00:14:00.240 --> 00:14:06.160 and the thing that has always made me both a little bit uncomfortable and just 00:14:04.639 --> 00:14:14.880 feel like it's a little bit unnecessary is that while i am technically a millennial um i i share 00:14:11.199 --> 00:14:17.440 sort of updates about my life as a job i 00:14:14.880 --> 00:14:21.040 have never done it for leisure not once um when i created a facebook account it 00:14:19.360 --> 00:14:24.480 was because i needed to for work when i created a twitter account it was because 00:14:22.560 --> 00:14:28.160 i had to for work and when i created a youtube account it was because i had to 00:14:26.720 --> 00:14:32.959 for work same with twitch for that matter um 00:14:30.639 --> 00:14:37.199 so i just straight up like don't really get it and i've never really felt it's 00:14:35.760 --> 00:14:44.320 never been because i feel super comfortable with it that i've shared a lot of detail about my life um like some 00:14:40.800 --> 00:14:46.720 of you have probably noticed that i now 00:14:44.320 --> 00:14:50.160 that especially now that the Linus tech twitter account is managed by the entire 00:14:48.880 --> 00:14:55.040 team i post almost nothing really personal on 00:14:52.880 --> 00:14:58.720 it and i only post to my personal account like once every couple weeks 00:14:57.519 --> 00:15:02.800 at most um and i've had a lot of people ask me like why don't you do more videos on 00:15:01.199 --> 00:15:05.920 your Linus cat tips channel or why don't you vlog or why don't you do this or do 00:15:04.240 --> 00:15:10.959 that and the truth of the matter is like i actually i like 00:15:08.639 --> 00:15:15.600 not having to talk to anybody yeah no kidding like it's related i 00:15:13.600 --> 00:15:20.480 found that i watched started watching our videos a lot less once 00:15:17.839 --> 00:15:23.440 i worked here for a while and it's like not a surprise like what 00:15:22.399 --> 00:15:28.320 do you want to do when you go home do you want to watch Linus tech tips like no you just did Linus tech tips all day 00:15:27.360 --> 00:15:34.240 i i just had to look at him for the last eight hours 00:15:32.160 --> 00:15:39.040 the last thing i want to do is to see him again because he's annoying well 00:15:37.279 --> 00:15:43.279 it's not you see how i'm almost see i'm only wearing out one here right now 00:15:40.880 --> 00:15:46.320 it's not you it's me it's weird today someone someone made a 00:15:44.880 --> 00:15:50.320 thread about uh an item that they thought would be awesome for us to review so i send it to 00:15:49.120 --> 00:15:54.000 Anthony i was like oh have you seen this yet and he's like yeah alex just made a 00:15:52.240 --> 00:15:57.839 video about that today like it's done already like oh 00:15:58.320 --> 00:16:02.079 so okay so back to back to messenger so for 00:16:01.360 --> 00:16:06.560 me honestly it doesn't affect me much because even though i do have a facebook 00:16:05.040 --> 00:16:12.320 account this is actually the okay you know i'm gonna i'm gonna go off on another thing here 00:16:10.320 --> 00:16:17.040 then use your words if i had a if i had a 00:16:15.120 --> 00:16:22.720 dollar for every time we've run a giveaway or a promotion or something 00:16:20.000 --> 00:16:26.480 and it has required you to to tweet something 00:16:23.839 --> 00:16:31.759 for every time someone's been like yeah well you've got you guys suck 00:16:28.959 --> 00:16:35.680 because i don't have twitter if i had a dollar for every time i saw 00:16:34.320 --> 00:16:40.560 that i would still be mad 00:16:37.440 --> 00:16:42.320 because it's phenomenally stupid 00:16:40.560 --> 00:16:46.959 twitter is free facebook is free 00:16:43.920 --> 00:16:48.880 and the only information they have is 00:16:46.959 --> 00:16:53.519 what you give them creating a twitter account 00:16:50.800 --> 00:16:57.759 that's sole purpose is to enter giveaways 00:16:54.959 --> 00:17:02.399 really doesn't give them a lot on you and get this it's free you could create 00:17:01.279 --> 00:17:08.959 a new one every time hey but you need to have an 00:17:05.199 --> 00:17:10.400 email address which is freedom also free 00:17:08.959 --> 00:17:16.160 so if you don't if you don't 00:17:13.280 --> 00:17:20.880 want it that bad to create a free anonymous email and a free anonymous 00:17:19.039 --> 00:17:24.319 twitter account people are like uh cookies 00:17:22.559 --> 00:17:28.799 walk in once post the thing 00:17:26.000 --> 00:17:28.799 log back out 00:17:29.520 --> 00:17:36.640 um it's pet peeve show next pet peeve topic how about that so so i do so so 00:17:34.640 --> 00:17:40.240 anyway so i do have a facebook account but they actually probably know very 00:17:38.720 --> 00:17:45.200 very little about me personally other than that i'm a tech head and i post a 00:17:42.160 --> 00:17:47.840 lot of techy stuff for work 00:17:45.200 --> 00:17:47.840 um 00:17:48.400 --> 00:17:53.200 so i guess i'm trying to say that i just i'm not bothered that much you know what 00:17:51.600 --> 00:17:58.000 sucks more about facebook messenger than that feature is them putting 00:17:55.679 --> 00:18:01.280 ads in your inbox you probably haven't even seen this but 00:17:59.280 --> 00:18:05.440 on on mobile like you'll open your messages it'll be like 00:18:03.360 --> 00:18:09.280 your partner your best friend your acquaintance 00:18:07.120 --> 00:18:12.559 oculus blah blah with a picture and everything really and then another 00:18:10.880 --> 00:18:15.520 acquaintance straight up like right in there and i 00:18:14.000 --> 00:18:19.039 don't know if these are in whatsapp yet but i wouldn't be surprised if that 00:18:17.039 --> 00:18:22.640 happens soon since they've been wanting to monetize whatsapp for a while and 00:18:20.960 --> 00:18:28.000 they own it um i would like to show you something 00:18:25.039 --> 00:18:35.360 super super cool and funny um i think there's a way to see your page f as 00:18:32.160 --> 00:18:36.880 though you are like oh man no you might 00:18:35.360 --> 00:18:40.840 not your personal page yeah view as a page visitor no no no the line of the 00:18:38.720 --> 00:18:44.960 line is tech tips one right um 00:18:42.480 --> 00:18:50.080 oh wow is it gone oh that's pretty annoying um well anyway 00:18:47.520 --> 00:18:54.400 up until sometime hopefully fairly recently 00:18:52.080 --> 00:18:58.960 the the Linus tech tips page actually had as like like the top 00:18:56.400 --> 00:19:01.679 post like somewhere near the top um please don't send messages to this 00:19:00.720 --> 00:19:05.600 account nobody checks them 00:19:04.000 --> 00:19:10.480 and right now see i don't even know where to find them 00:19:08.480 --> 00:19:14.640 which is super terrible uh see the feed do you know where you 00:19:12.559 --> 00:19:18.240 find messages maybe you disabled it maybe that's why that uh warning isn't 00:19:16.240 --> 00:19:21.679 even there anymore i don't know we had something horrendous 00:19:20.640 --> 00:19:26.640 like uh i don't remember how many tens of 00:19:24.480 --> 00:19:30.240 thousands of messages that people sent and i was just like 00:19:28.080 --> 00:19:34.799 i don't know i don't know what i can do for you to help make it more clear that 00:19:32.559 --> 00:19:38.080 you shouldn't send messages through here um and it just said something like yeah 00:19:36.400 --> 00:19:40.960 you need to go on the you need to go on the twitter page if you want to or the 00:19:39.840 --> 00:19:46.080 twitter account if you need to send a message um 00:19:43.200 --> 00:19:49.200 and wow i just i have no i should honestly i should be screen 00:19:47.600 --> 00:19:54.720 sharing right now because you guys would find this pretty funny i have no idea 00:19:51.600 --> 00:19:56.480 how to use facebook how do i facebook 00:19:54.720 --> 00:20:00.080 you maybe you used to then as soon as you had a kid it just left you now 00:19:58.799 --> 00:20:04.640 you're old people i just never did i just actually never cared like at all 00:20:02.880 --> 00:20:08.080 um yeah i don't know but anyway so the 00:20:06.240 --> 00:20:11.760 point is i do use messenger but it's usually just to be like oh yeah that 00:20:09.760 --> 00:20:15.600 person that i met at like badminton at the rec center a couple weeks ago 00:20:13.600 --> 00:20:17.600 uh what was their name again oh right maybe i'll see if i can get in touch 00:20:16.720 --> 00:20:22.880 with them yeah one facebook messenger feature i like is 00:20:20.720 --> 00:20:26.640 that you can make it your default sms app on Android anyway so you could type 00:20:25.120 --> 00:20:30.159 in someone's name and then choose to message them via facebook or through 00:20:28.799 --> 00:20:35.280 like regular texting which is sweet because then you only have one app for 00:20:32.400 --> 00:20:38.159 both purposes but it also kind of sucks so i eventually switched back to not 00:20:36.640 --> 00:20:43.600 doing that all right so why don't we jump into the 00:20:40.559 --> 00:20:44.880 next thing that i'm super mad about um 00:20:43.600 --> 00:20:51.200 the original article here is from anontech and this was posted by aluminium tech on the forum 00:20:48.720 --> 00:20:53.600 once again all right 00:20:54.080 --> 00:21:00.400 this is really dumb and really frustrating and it's not the first time 00:20:58.159 --> 00:21:06.320 that this has been done by either AMD or NVIDIA and so right to be clear even 00:21:03.280 --> 00:21:08.320 though it's NVIDIA doing it this time 00:21:06.320 --> 00:21:13.679 AMD's done it in the past neither of them is getting a free pass 00:21:09.919 --> 00:21:16.799 here and this behavior is absolutely 100 00:21:13.679 --> 00:21:20.080 unacceptable it's right in the headline 00:21:16.799 --> 00:21:23.679 NVIDIA quietly rolls out slower 00:21:20.080 --> 00:21:27.600 lower TDP GeForce gt 1030 00:21:23.679 --> 00:21:28.640 with ddr4 vram 00:21:27.600 --> 00:21:33.360 now to be clear the gt 1030 is not some kind 00:21:32.480 --> 00:21:38.000 of pillar of gaming cards 00:21:36.080 --> 00:21:42.000 or anything like that and you wouldn't expect to be running the latest games at 00:21:40.000 --> 00:21:45.520 the highest settings at the highest resolutions with them 00:21:44.480 --> 00:21:51.120 but you would expect that if you bought a gt 00:21:49.760 --> 00:21:56.799 1030 that what you got out of the box would 00:21:53.200 --> 00:21:58.480 be similar to someone else's gt 1030 and 00:21:56.799 --> 00:22:03.280 i would make the argument that if you look a little bit closer at these specs 00:22:00.159 --> 00:22:06.080 here look at this 00:22:03.280 --> 00:22:09.919 memory that is running at one third of the speed 00:22:10.480 --> 00:22:17.679 oh man not to mention 00:22:13.919 --> 00:22:19.840 at lower base and boost clocks 00:22:17.679 --> 00:22:26.039 with a completely different memory technology so we're talking ddr4 versus 00:22:23.039 --> 00:22:26.039 gddr5 00:22:26.559 --> 00:22:33.520 i would make the assumption that that is not what you would expect 00:22:30.960 --> 00:22:37.360 and that that is going to make some difference to the gaming experience and 00:22:35.600 --> 00:22:42.799 that if you are buying a dedicated graphics card you probably care at least 00:22:40.159 --> 00:22:47.679 somewhat about the gaming experience is it true that these systems the systems 00:22:44.799 --> 00:22:51.200 that will be running these low end cards discrete as they may be 00:22:49.360 --> 00:22:58.159 won't actually be able to really reap the benefits of ddr5 anyway 00:22:55.120 --> 00:23:00.880 so it's not a huge loss okay 00:22:58.159 --> 00:23:06.720 so you could make the argument that the way that um a review site like us or an 00:23:04.400 --> 00:23:12.559 on tech or whoever else would typically benchmark a card like this 00:23:08.880 --> 00:23:14.799 is not necessarily a very real world 00:23:12.559 --> 00:23:17.919 because what we'll do and we've taken a lot of flack for this over the years 00:23:16.640 --> 00:23:21.120 presumably from people who don't understand why we do it this way but 00:23:19.760 --> 00:23:24.000 what we'll typically do is we'll take the highest end processor in the on the 00:23:22.960 --> 00:23:29.840 market and we'll throw a gt 1030 on it 00:23:28.159 --> 00:23:33.600 and then we'll report our results with the gt 1030 compared to 00:23:32.159 --> 00:23:40.080 some other graphics cards you know whatever suite of cards we decide to test and the the fatal flaw that people 00:23:38.480 --> 00:23:47.039 feel like they're pointing out for us is that no one would install a gt 1030 on a 00:23:42.480 --> 00:23:49.760 2 000 7980 xc18 car extreme edition 00:23:47.039 --> 00:23:56.000 um but the problem is that if we use anything else 00:23:52.799 --> 00:23:58.320 we lose track of the difference between 00:23:56.000 --> 00:24:02.159 these graphics cards because what might happen is the higher end ones might end 00:24:00.320 --> 00:24:07.039 up bottlenecked so it doesn't give you a clear idea of the value per dollar 00:24:05.679 --> 00:24:11.679 prospect of each card you're trying to remove the 00:24:08.880 --> 00:24:15.600 CPU as a variable altogether yes so it's as fast as possible 00:24:17.200 --> 00:24:24.320 now with that said it is possible that in the kind of system 00:24:21.919 --> 00:24:28.320 someone might install one of these in you might not see 00:24:26.080 --> 00:24:32.480 as much of a difference but i think you would probably see a difference 00:24:29.760 --> 00:24:37.440 especially because GPU memory has an impact on the GPU's ability to load in 00:24:34.880 --> 00:24:41.679 textures for example so it might affect the detail level that you can run at 00:24:39.840 --> 00:24:47.120 now this is a complete this might be completely not even ignorant but 00:24:43.760 --> 00:24:50.080 does the type of memory impact the TDP 00:24:47.120 --> 00:24:55.679 of the graphics card so it depends it depends on the clock speed it's running 00:24:51.520 --> 00:24:57.039 at it depends on the um 00:24:55.679 --> 00:25:02.080 i think it yeah it depends how many chips you're running it depends on um 00:25:00.640 --> 00:25:05.919 yeah mainly that depends on the yeah it depends on the tech that's being used 00:25:04.240 --> 00:25:10.960 so you could also make an argument that it's better to have a lower TDP 00:25:08.240 --> 00:25:14.400 GPU like and if you're looking to get a 1030 and the kind of system that's going 00:25:12.480 --> 00:25:18.320 to run it you might actually want that lower TDP more than you want the extra 00:25:17.039 --> 00:25:21.840 memory so that is possible 00:25:21.919 --> 00:25:31.279 but in that case what i'd like to see is a separate sku i ended up arguing with 00:25:27.360 --> 00:25:33.279 sapphire um on the phone about 00:25:31.279 --> 00:25:37.039 how old was i supposed to be about 16 years ago but i'm still mad 00:25:35.039 --> 00:25:41.559 i ended up arguing with sapphire on the phone and AMD for that matter about a 00:25:40.400 --> 00:25:46.000 Radeon 9600 that i bought 00:25:44.080 --> 00:25:48.799 so that should give you guys some idea well i told you how long ago it was 00:25:47.360 --> 00:25:54.480 anyway the point is it was a radio 9600 and 00:25:51.760 --> 00:26:01.200 it came with a 64 bit i still remember to this day it came with a 64-bit memory 00:25:56.880 --> 00:26:02.480 bus instead of a 128-bit bus and back 00:26:01.200 --> 00:26:10.240 then that was a big deal and compared to a 1030 um 00:26:07.200 --> 00:26:12.240 a 960 was still sort of a somewhat 00:26:10.240 --> 00:26:17.120 respectable card like if you wanted to play i don't remember if this is sort of era 00:26:15.520 --> 00:26:21.840 appropriate but i think like sims would have been the kind of thing that my sister might have wanted to run on it 00:26:20.000 --> 00:26:27.039 that would have made a significant difference and the reason i was mad was 00:26:24.480 --> 00:26:31.039 that not only was it not marked clearly anywhere on the box 00:26:28.960 --> 00:26:35.440 what the difference in spec was between this card and the other one the only 00:26:33.279 --> 00:26:40.080 place anywhere that i could find this information was on sapphire's website 00:26:38.159 --> 00:26:44.640 but not their north american one it was on their european one 00:26:41.919 --> 00:26:49.600 wow so i had to go all the way out of my own territory online 00:26:47.279 --> 00:26:53.760 in order to find out that this card was not the same thing and it was like 00:26:51.279 --> 00:27:00.159 hidden like way down somewhere and this was at a time when manufacturers were 00:26:56.320 --> 00:27:02.559 often doing like sc editions of cards 00:27:00.159 --> 00:27:05.360 special edition or second edition but what the community nicknamed these 00:27:03.760 --> 00:27:09.279 things was slow edition because a lot of the time they were cut down because of 00:27:07.120 --> 00:27:11.760 yields so like they had a bunch of scrap chips that they had to do something with 00:27:10.559 --> 00:27:16.640 so they'd like you know cut down the memory bus or they'd just do something else like that 00:27:15.200 --> 00:27:21.760 um and that's the point that people are bringing up this this time you know what's the difference between this and 00:27:20.000 --> 00:27:26.880 like 1080 ti it's just but the thing is they don't put the 00:27:25.120 --> 00:27:30.640 these other letters these qualifiers front and center on the box in this case 00:27:29.039 --> 00:27:34.559 this is way down the line in the product description it's a it's a description of 00:27:32.880 --> 00:27:40.480 the memory it's not up front right beside the 1030. yeah they do put d4 in 00:27:37.520 --> 00:27:45.120 the description but it's not a 1030 d4 it's way way way way down there 00:27:42.960 --> 00:27:50.400 so i find it really frustrating but NVIDIA seems to be 00:27:47.840 --> 00:27:55.039 rather than having taken our feedback and a lot of other members of the press 00:27:51.919 --> 00:27:56.000 feedback to heart about the 1063 gig 00:27:55.039 --> 00:28:00.720 which is more than just a 1060 with three gigs of 00:27:58.640 --> 00:28:06.399 RAM or i should say less it's actually slower as well they seem to have taken 00:28:03.200 --> 00:28:08.000 all the feedback that we gave them and 00:28:06.399 --> 00:28:11.679 crumpled it up and thrown it in a fire because here they are doing it again and 00:28:09.679 --> 00:28:15.520 it's only been a few months so what i worry about is that if we don't call 00:28:14.159 --> 00:28:20.960 them out on this it's going to be something that we're going to continue to see happen 00:28:18.320 --> 00:28:24.240 and that's not what we need you don't want to have to walk like 00:28:24.320 --> 00:28:30.720 remember guys this is the same company that brought you green light 00:28:28.960 --> 00:28:34.480 that brought you a program that restricted their partner's abilities to 00:28:32.960 --> 00:28:38.799 pre-overclock their cards to differentiate them 00:28:37.039 --> 00:28:44.000 supposedly to reduce confusion like that's why they have all these branding initiatives and stuff like that 00:28:42.080 --> 00:28:48.399 oh oh not to mention GeForce partner program we want to reduce confusion do 00:28:46.240 --> 00:28:52.240 you want to reduce confusion or do you just want the right type of control 00:28:50.000 --> 00:28:55.600 right so it's good for their business interests so it doesn't matter 00:28:54.080 --> 00:29:00.399 a lot of people won't notice anyway i won't know so just let it kind of slip 00:28:58.399 --> 00:29:04.880 by uh this is great sparky sparkle man 55 00:29:03.039 --> 00:29:08.559 says rip i got the notification a half hour late no no we were just a half hour 00:29:06.960 --> 00:29:13.440 late unless you just got it now 00:29:11.279 --> 00:29:17.600 yeah where the ones ripped so i guess i don't really have 00:29:15.840 --> 00:29:20.480 a ton more to add i mean this this is really frustrating 00:29:19.360 --> 00:29:27.120 you've got you've got a note in here some of the listed documentation does show two different core names gp 108 300 00:29:24.799 --> 00:29:30.159 versus gp 108 310 um 00:29:28.159 --> 00:29:36.159 but the whole thing is very confusing and the oh this oh this was what i ended 00:29:32.559 --> 00:29:38.640 up yelling at AMD about 16 years ago AMD 00:29:36.159 --> 00:29:43.520 on their website because remember this was not an AMD card technically it was a 00:29:40.799 --> 00:29:47.120 sapphire card as if AMD didn't send them the friggin chips 00:29:44.880 --> 00:29:51.440 AMD's own website had no mention whatsoever of a 64-bit memory bus 00:29:49.600 --> 00:29:55.840 variant of this card so in this case once again just washing 00:29:53.679 --> 00:30:02.159 their hands of it the official NVIDIA GeForce gt 1030 product page mentions 00:29:58.960 --> 00:30:02.159 nothing about this change 00:30:02.480 --> 00:30:09.120 so how can you how can you how can you advocate for less consumer 00:30:07.200 --> 00:30:13.760 confusion when you're running around enabling your 00:30:11.440 --> 00:30:16.799 partners to release products even if you technically not your product or whatever 00:30:15.200 --> 00:30:20.399 the defense would be how can you be running around enabling partners to 00:30:18.240 --> 00:30:23.520 create products based on your products that you don't even list on your website 00:30:22.000 --> 00:30:28.640 especially going forward when those partners are part of the 00:30:25.440 --> 00:30:28.640 GeForce partner program 00:30:31.279 --> 00:30:37.840 very very frustrating all right do you also feel passionately 00:30:35.679 --> 00:30:40.159 about this spectre business um 00:30:38.799 --> 00:30:42.880 i can't imagine that you feel as passionate about it 00:30:43.279 --> 00:30:51.840 what i really feel passionate about is 00:30:47.760 --> 00:30:51.840 eating savage jerky i know 00:30:52.159 --> 00:30:56.720 in my head i was like he wouldn't 00:30:55.360 --> 00:31:01.919 he couldn't god damn it she did 00:30:59.520 --> 00:31:06.080 savage jerky is a tasty snack that's not bad for you 00:31:04.880 --> 00:31:10.880 it's made with the best ingredients without nitrates or preservatives and 00:31:08.240 --> 00:31:14.559 their goal was to well create a snack that's full of flavor and not bad for 00:31:12.399 --> 00:31:18.720 you which i think i already said i got my talking points mixed up here they've 00:31:16.320 --> 00:31:23.039 got 13 different flavors of jerky uh some of the fan favorites are the 00:31:20.320 --> 00:31:26.720 sriracha bacon um my personal favorite is the maple buffalo bacon i gave it to 00:31:24.880 --> 00:31:30.320 someone else to try like two weeks ago and they were like eh but whatever i 00:31:28.720 --> 00:31:34.000 like it i don't care more for you man more for me there's probably john he's 00:31:32.159 --> 00:31:38.480 not canadian not that i don't understand maple not that i was gonna share it with 00:31:35.440 --> 00:31:40.320 anybody anyway so so whatever uh these 00:31:38.480 --> 00:31:46.399 uh cracked pepper and sea salt is really good the traditional is really good the 00:31:42.000 --> 00:31:48.000 uh anything moho is really good 00:31:46.399 --> 00:31:52.000 you're a vegetarian i want to check out the label and stuff oh okay 00:31:50.240 --> 00:31:55.200 and why not show off a different flavor fine you can show off whatever flavor 00:31:53.360 --> 00:32:00.159 you want you can have the whole box so they not only make beer jerky they've 00:31:57.600 --> 00:32:03.360 got hot sauces barbecue sauce as a spice rub 00:32:01.039 --> 00:32:08.240 jacked i never get anything you're not supposed to get any 00:32:06.320 --> 00:32:11.600 well this bag is fine take it this bag's been open for over a week but you don't 00:32:10.000 --> 00:32:16.080 get to complain when i take your m ms anymore i don't well it's just that you 00:32:14.000 --> 00:32:19.279 do it all the time okay actually i don't eat eminence anymore i eat trail mix you 00:32:17.760 --> 00:32:22.559 take that all the time yeah but you don't get to complain when i pick the m 00:32:20.799 --> 00:32:26.799 m's out of your trail mix i think he's pretty generous he's giving 00:32:24.240 --> 00:32:32.720 me m m's without me even asking before so use offer code LTT to save 10 00:32:29.200 --> 00:32:32.720 on savage jerky products 00:32:34.399 --> 00:32:39.840 next up we've got honey 00:32:38.399 --> 00:32:43.360 so when you shop online are you the kind of 00:32:41.600 --> 00:32:49.200 person who suddenly turns into a tab hoarder yeah it turns into sure um 00:32:47.440 --> 00:32:53.600 loading dozens and dozens of new tabs middle click really is like the bomb 00:32:51.600 --> 00:32:57.440 what is that you middle click to open in a new tab you mean like click the mouse 00:32:55.279 --> 00:33:02.240 wheel yeah doesn't that just make it like the continuous scrolling thing no 00:33:00.240 --> 00:33:05.519 what not when you click a link oh you middle click the link yeah you 00:33:04.000 --> 00:33:09.840 don't know this no i don't know that it's the best that's how i end up with like a hundred 00:33:08.159 --> 00:33:14.480 tabs oh i really like that you know what i use a lot ctrl shift t you know what 00:33:12.480 --> 00:33:19.519 that is reopen close tab oh no i just never 00:33:17.279 --> 00:33:22.799 closed them it's far better so anyway 00:33:21.440 --> 00:33:26.880 one of the reasons you might end up with a bunch of tabs is searching for promo 00:33:25.840 --> 00:33:30.159 codes hopefully at least one that actually 00:33:29.200 --> 00:33:36.080 works and 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Linus i 00:34:50.720 --> 00:34:56.240 didn't pick up what you're throwing down anyway the point is you'll know that they saw it and if you have questions 00:34:54.879 --> 00:35:01.040 you can reach out to their support staff where you will speak to a real human no 00:34:58.800 --> 00:35:04.880 escalations no return calls just answers visit freshbook.com 00:35:02.800 --> 00:35:10.800 when and enter when in the how did you hear about us section when you sign up 00:35:06.560 --> 00:35:10.800 for a free trial that's freshbooks.com 00:35:12.079 --> 00:35:18.240 i think you just owned the ears of uh the viewers 00:35:16.480 --> 00:35:21.040 thank you for that i don't have a choice 00:35:21.200 --> 00:35:26.800 all right what topic do you want to do next 00:35:24.400 --> 00:35:29.520 oh my oh can we do this one 00:35:28.320 --> 00:35:34.720 okay i'm sorry okay but the thing is only part of this is news 00:35:33.280 --> 00:35:38.640 all right fine we'll do your stupid ps5 thing no this is good i didn't want to talk about this no i'm already i'm 00:35:37.200 --> 00:35:42.720 already screen sharing the original article here from express.co.uk ps5 00:35:41.440 --> 00:35:48.079 rumors are it might come out this christmas a lot of people think those rumors are dumb so this started on a 00:35:46.880 --> 00:35:52.640 website uh called what is it called the 00:35:50.720 --> 00:35:56.800 situation or we're gonna have to stop calling you lazy semi accurate we're gonna have to 00:35:55.359 --> 00:36:00.800 go with we're gonna have to go with savage james 00:35:58.480 --> 00:36:05.839 here have some savage jerky that was savage uh okay so i actually 00:36:03.359 --> 00:36:10.480 this this website has a great name in this context semiaccurate.com 00:36:08.000 --> 00:36:15.839 behind a one thousand dollar per year paywall or 100 a year for students this 00:36:13.280 --> 00:36:19.680 website published an article with allegedly legit information claiming 00:36:18.160 --> 00:36:23.440 that the playstation 5 was going to come out this holiday season which is a lot 00:36:21.359 --> 00:36:27.599 sooner than people would think considering that the ps4 pro came out 00:36:25.200 --> 00:36:31.200 only two years ago and the ps4 itself only came out five years ago and when 00:36:29.520 --> 00:36:34.880 traditionally the launch cycles of these things have been 00:36:33.040 --> 00:36:37.680 about seven years between the three and four 00:36:36.160 --> 00:36:40.880 uh so people think that you can 00:36:39.359 --> 00:36:45.119 sony can make a lot more money off the ps4 pro still 00:36:43.280 --> 00:36:47.920 the like that can become the de facto like normal default playstation for 00:36:46.800 --> 00:36:52.560 people and they can start to push the price down to like 250 bucks they don't 00:36:49.920 --> 00:36:57.839 need to release the new playstation just yet 00:36:53.440 --> 00:36:59.359 ps4 pro was two years ago 00:36:57.839 --> 00:37:03.520 yeah bro see the older you get the faster time 00:37:01.200 --> 00:37:07.040 goes what because each year of your life is a 00:37:05.119 --> 00:37:12.079 smaller proportion of your life no it was a year and a half 00:37:09.520 --> 00:37:16.720 huh okay oh okay i should have written the months in 00:37:14.160 --> 00:37:20.720 oh okay no no but by the time this launched in the at christmas it would be 00:37:18.400 --> 00:37:24.000 two years oh i see your point okay okay okay 00:37:21.520 --> 00:37:27.920 so here's okay do you want to go through the 00:37:25.680 --> 00:37:31.680 rumored specs first sure it's gonna be AMD again the 00:37:29.680 --> 00:37:34.560 platform like the architecture is navi it's gonna be eight cores and i actually 00:37:33.040 --> 00:37:40.880 have a question about that if we get to it yeah it's gonna have a strong emphasis on vr support 00:37:38.480 --> 00:37:43.760 that some discussion there you know they have to make certain considerations and 00:37:42.640 --> 00:37:48.320 decisions uh to include that and maybe no one 00:37:46.560 --> 00:37:52.320 cares but maybe no one cares if there's no good vr yet and this is a chicken and 00:37:50.800 --> 00:37:57.040 egg thing they did recently drop the price of the psvr 00:37:54.240 --> 00:38:02.720 but i i don't know what my understanding is that the psvr is the best-selling 00:37:59.680 --> 00:38:04.240 gaming uh vr headset but i also don't 00:38:02.720 --> 00:38:09.440 know if that's meeting sony's expectations in terms of how many they 00:38:06.480 --> 00:38:12.720 have to sell in order to support it it's uh i think at this point it's a 00:38:10.960 --> 00:38:16.880 rising tide lifts all boats thing with vr 00:38:14.240 --> 00:38:20.079 it's a setup for future profits uh what else do we know about this thing we know 00:38:18.400 --> 00:38:23.119 that the CPU would be rumored to be zen based although 00:38:21.599 --> 00:38:28.560 we could pretty much take for granted that any future custom soc that AMD would 00:38:26.800 --> 00:38:32.960 produce for whether it's microsoft or sony would hopefully be zen based at 00:38:31.280 --> 00:38:39.520 this point so here's my question and again noob question maybe 00:38:36.160 --> 00:38:42.240 on the pc in the realm of pc gaming 00:38:39.520 --> 00:38:46.640 prior to ryzen and coffee lake for sure single threaded all the games and 00:38:44.320 --> 00:38:50.880 engines and all that apis are optimized for single threaded right 00:38:49.280 --> 00:38:56.240 so depends mostly 00:38:54.320 --> 00:38:59.119 strongly it strongly depends so some of them 00:38:59.280 --> 00:39:04.560 basically since we started getting dual cores which 00:39:02.640 --> 00:39:09.440 was actually uh a really long time ago now 00:39:07.440 --> 00:39:14.400 which is sort of terrible at least 10 years more than that yeah you're in 00:39:11.440 --> 00:39:17.119 laptops 10 years ago q6600 i remember buying 00:39:15.359 --> 00:39:21.040 our q 6600 engineering sample 00:39:19.839 --> 00:39:23.839 which technically you're neither supposed to buy nor sell 00:39:23.040 --> 00:39:29.359 um from my old boss at ncix 00:39:26.320 --> 00:39:32.560 back in 2007. so yes 00:39:29.359 --> 00:39:34.560 quad core and that was a like 600 700 00:39:32.560 --> 00:39:40.560 CPU so that was like the first non-extreme edition quad core 00:39:38.240 --> 00:39:44.960 but certainly not mainstream yet dennis just walked by with an eggplant so we've 00:39:42.720 --> 00:39:44.960 got 00:39:45.760 --> 00:39:53.839 that so we've had quad cores on the desktop 00:39:51.119 --> 00:39:58.880 for 10 years and that chip later dropped in price i think probably about 00:39:56.720 --> 00:40:05.520 eight months to eight to 12 months later and became far more accessible 00:40:02.320 --> 00:40:07.359 so ever since then we have seen an 00:40:05.520 --> 00:40:11.520 onward march towards supporting more cores now in the early days the support 00:40:09.359 --> 00:40:16.960 was fairly rudimentary like you would have one core dedicated to like 00:40:14.880 --> 00:40:22.079 mostly the entire game and then you'd have another one that handled 00:40:19.040 --> 00:40:24.960 like maybe enemy ai like like like one 00:40:22.079 --> 00:40:28.079 thing okay it'd be offloaded but over time they got 00:40:26.560 --> 00:40:33.839 to supporting more and more and more threads natively and i believe crisis 00:40:30.400 --> 00:40:36.160 three supports something like four 00:40:33.839 --> 00:40:40.800 well the why is it then when ryzen came out and it had all these cores 00:40:38.560 --> 00:40:44.640 everyone was stoked on it and in theory the performance should 00:40:42.560 --> 00:40:48.320 be a lot of these Intel skus it didn't and it was because we had to 00:40:46.079 --> 00:40:52.320 wait for the game developers to optimize their games and the apis for quality 00:40:50.880 --> 00:40:56.160 core okay so there were a couple of things that happened um first of all 00:40:54.720 --> 00:40:59.760 a lot of the things that people were excited about with ryzen and about 00:40:57.839 --> 00:41:04.560 multi-core on ryzen well actually i think it's mainly two things one is that 00:41:02.480 --> 00:41:10.240 AMD depending on how you look at it 00:41:06.880 --> 00:41:13.200 and it's complicated but AMD wasn't that 00:41:10.240 --> 00:41:18.960 far behind Intel for gaming in a from a certain point of view as 00:41:15.440 --> 00:41:20.880 obi-wan might put it um because at the 00:41:18.960 --> 00:41:24.960 resolutions that you would be likely to run games at so higher resolution with 00:41:22.800 --> 00:41:30.960 higher details you'd be more likely to hit a GPU bottleneck than a CPU one 00:41:27.760 --> 00:41:32.319 so in that sense AMD cpus weren't that 00:41:30.960 --> 00:41:35.920 far off unless you did want to turn down your 00:41:34.319 --> 00:41:40.400 details to get higher frame rates because you were a competitive player 00:41:37.920 --> 00:41:43.599 or unless you were um 00:41:41.599 --> 00:41:47.520 you cared about your power consumption because they did consume a lot more 00:41:45.200 --> 00:41:51.359 power before zen or if you wanted more up-to-date 00:41:49.359 --> 00:41:55.440 features on the platform because by the end of it like those boards were looking 00:41:53.920 --> 00:41:58.560 pretty dated in terms of their feature sets so there were lots of other things 00:41:56.960 --> 00:42:01.760 let me fully actually finish the question the final clause of 00:42:00.400 --> 00:42:06.880 the question is given that in the pc side 00:42:04.960 --> 00:42:11.520 it's so weird that in the comp console side you've got these 00:42:08.960 --> 00:42:15.040 multi-core AMD chips like ruling the roost on like all 00:42:13.760 --> 00:42:20.800 the consoles so are game developers taking different 00:42:18.000 --> 00:42:24.160 approaches on console and pc so okay 00:42:21.920 --> 00:42:24.160 so 00:42:25.280 --> 00:42:30.880 back to your question the things people were excited about AMD having better 00:42:28.880 --> 00:42:34.720 single threaded performance for gaming and AMD having multi-threaded 00:42:33.200 --> 00:42:38.160 performance for other workloads and also to put pressure 00:42:37.040 --> 00:42:42.319 on Intel because that's what Intel did right they 00:42:40.079 --> 00:42:46.720 launched quad core on the desktop back in like 2006 00:42:44.640 --> 00:42:51.119 and it was quad core on the desktop up until 00:42:47.760 --> 00:42:52.240 2000 and in one six 00:42:51.119 --> 00:42:57.839 that was pretty much it unless you wanted to sprint there were six there were six core AMD 00:42:56.079 --> 00:43:01.920 cpus and like two no but i mean on the Intel side yeah yeah okay the thing about those six core AMD processors 00:43:00.880 --> 00:43:06.000 though is that they didn't threaten Intel even with six cores they weren't 00:43:04.160 --> 00:43:08.480 competitive with Intel's own quad cores that they could turn out so it didn't so 00:43:07.440 --> 00:43:14.800 it wasn't really relevant and they sucked more power they didn't overclock there was there was a bunch of things so 00:43:12.960 --> 00:43:19.760 people were excited because zen would bring more competition to the 00:43:17.040 --> 00:43:24.880 market now getting back to AMD's previous course not necessarily being 00:43:22.720 --> 00:43:29.440 that underpowered for gaming well that's what you're seeing on the game consoles 00:43:27.440 --> 00:43:33.040 so because the game developers know exactly what hardware they're optimizing 00:43:31.119 --> 00:43:36.800 for they can go okay we're gonna have exactly this oh right 00:43:35.200 --> 00:43:40.720 the other issue with zen performance on the desktop in games was actually more 00:43:39.200 --> 00:43:46.000 software and firmware related there were scheduler issues with Windows um and 00:43:43.440 --> 00:43:52.000 there were i mean any new CPU it's kind of like why i put um 00:43:49.599 --> 00:43:55.520 uh what was the what was the not set of the 00:43:52.839 --> 00:43:59.839 6950xs in the editing machines like three weeks before the new 18 core 00:43:57.680 --> 00:44:02.640 flagship came out the reason is that anytime you have a new CPU launch 00:44:01.200 --> 00:44:07.119 whether it's AMD or Intel and particularly on this last round where 00:44:04.720 --> 00:44:10.960 both amt and Intel were guilty of pulling up their launches 00:44:09.280 --> 00:44:15.119 just to like just to have something out there and them being not quite 100 00:44:13.359 --> 00:44:18.480 polished anytime you have a new CPU you're gonna 00:44:16.720 --> 00:44:23.280 have some some issues and um that was a big part of what affected 00:44:21.760 --> 00:44:28.160 gaming performance on the desktop and sometimes game developers did have to 00:44:25.040 --> 00:44:31.839 optimize because even though it's x86 00:44:28.160 --> 00:44:33.760 it's it's not like a new CPU is just 00:44:31.839 --> 00:44:36.720 the old CPU but like with a trogdor 00:44:38.319 --> 00:44:43.839 like it's actually different 00:44:41.839 --> 00:44:47.119 and so if you gave even a let's say you gave a professional driver 00:44:46.160 --> 00:44:50.560 um and i don't i don't know cars but so 00:44:49.200 --> 00:44:56.880 you'll have to forgive me but let's say you gave them a bugatti and a 00:44:53.200 --> 00:44:59.599 lamborghini a some model x and y and you 00:44:56.880 --> 00:45:03.040 were like okay get the best track time on this track 00:45:01.520 --> 00:45:06.319 it would take them a little while if they switched from this one to that one 00:45:04.800 --> 00:45:11.520 to learn the best way to do it even if this one was more powerful like they are 00:45:08.960 --> 00:45:13.839 they're div they're different machines so 00:45:12.400 --> 00:45:17.599 coming back to consoles this has been a very sort of winding topic here um 00:45:16.720 --> 00:45:22.960 they know exactly what they're optimizing for they don't have to make any guesses 00:45:20.720 --> 00:45:26.079 and they are going to run the game in such a way and they're 00:45:24.720 --> 00:45:31.599 going to optimize the game in such a way that you aren't going to run out of CPU resources also by the end of AMD's 00:45:29.920 --> 00:45:35.760 non-zen course while the performance wasn't great their power efficiency was 00:45:34.079 --> 00:45:39.359 getting a lot better so they take this good power efficiency 00:45:37.599 --> 00:45:43.520 and they've got four kind of like good enough cores and they've got developers 00:45:41.839 --> 00:45:46.880 who know that they can split it up exactly in this way because it's going 00:45:45.040 --> 00:45:50.880 to run on four course there's not going to be some yahoo out there running a 00:45:48.480 --> 00:45:55.119 dual core because Intel still has dual cores for some reason 00:45:54.240 --> 00:46:00.480 um and they can and they can split it up that way to make the best possible use 00:45:58.160 --> 00:46:03.520 of the quad core and then the GPU well they can push the game's visual effects 00:46:02.319 --> 00:46:08.720 to the max so that they can run into a GPU bottleneck rather than a CPU one also 00:46:06.960 --> 00:46:13.119 it's a console it's gonna run on a tv it doesn't have to run higher than 60fps 00:46:10.800 --> 00:46:16.880 anyway cool i get it there's the long the very very long answer hopefully that 00:46:14.880 --> 00:46:22.319 was finished you're bacon you've been well so good talking with your hands way 00:46:19.119 --> 00:46:24.640 too much to still be holding that 00:46:22.319 --> 00:46:28.880 bacon so please and now to circle all the way back to the beginning 00:46:26.960 --> 00:46:34.960 in your opinion is the ps5 coming out in 2018 00:46:31.680 --> 00:46:36.720 even if it's december 31st 00:46:34.960 --> 00:46:41.599 okay consider that when the ps4 i think was it pro 00:46:40.400 --> 00:46:47.599 came out which it was it was either the pro or the ps4 it came out in november and we 00:46:45.119 --> 00:46:50.640 knew about it february of that year if this is going to come out on the 00:46:48.560 --> 00:46:53.920 holiday april yep yeah we're two months beyond that this now it probably would 00:46:52.640 --> 00:46:58.720 be launching in november if they're trying to make the holiday yeah 00:46:56.640 --> 00:47:02.640 so that's a short media window to get the media hype running so do you think 00:47:00.720 --> 00:47:06.400 it's coming out this year so normally i would say absolutely not and the reason 00:47:05.200 --> 00:47:11.440 is that up until now every playstation 00:47:08.960 --> 00:47:17.040 whether it was emotion or whether it was cell or whether it was a move to jaguar 00:47:15.280 --> 00:47:22.960 every playstation has been architecturally dramatically different 00:47:20.240 --> 00:47:27.200 totally different so if you told me in april there's a 00:47:25.520 --> 00:47:30.720 playstation coming in november i'd tell you to go take a long walk off a short 00:47:28.960 --> 00:47:35.920 pier because you're an idiot because there's no way that in what what does 00:47:33.440 --> 00:47:39.760 that work out to seven months there's no way that in seven months 00:47:38.400 --> 00:47:44.800 anyone is going to have launch titles ready because they're going to have to 00:47:41.760 --> 00:47:46.079 completely re like recode aspects of 00:47:44.800 --> 00:47:49.200 these games in order to run on this new machine the developer things are already 00:47:48.240 --> 00:47:54.400 out there okay that is known okay so that we know but 00:47:52.240 --> 00:47:57.359 even then like i'm saying there's still no way that seven months would be even 00:47:55.920 --> 00:48:00.319 close like a modern triple a game remember you can't launch a console 00:47:59.280 --> 00:48:03.760 without uh unless you're nintendo 00:48:04.000 --> 00:48:10.319 at least a couple triple a tier games 00:48:07.760 --> 00:48:14.560 and those take literally years to develop and it's not going to be 00:48:12.640 --> 00:48:19.359 it's not going to be good enough to just take some existing titles and go now at 00:48:17.680 --> 00:48:23.839 you know 4k with better details or whatever else if if people were really 00:48:21.359 --> 00:48:28.800 into that they'd go buy a pc however because a playstation 5 would be 00:48:27.839 --> 00:48:34.079 just playstation 4 on steroids 00:48:32.400 --> 00:48:39.359 with zen course which is going to make a big difference that's going to be like 00:48:36.240 --> 00:48:42.000 really nice and then presumably and it 00:48:39.359 --> 00:48:46.079 says navi based graphics which would be again very nice remember this is not 00:48:43.680 --> 00:48:48.480 vega this is a new architecture past vega 00:48:47.040 --> 00:48:54.800 um because it would be just like that on steroids new architectures but much more 00:48:52.000 --> 00:48:58.880 powerful ones but still fundamentally x86 and uh 00:48:57.599 --> 00:49:05.359 crap what does AMD call their thing again so what you're saying is a gcn it's kind 00:49:01.920 --> 00:49:07.359 of like psccn anymore 00:49:05.359 --> 00:49:11.599 anyway you're saying it's kind of like ps4 pro pro 00:49:09.520 --> 00:49:15.040 yeah like but way more pro because the ps4 pro relied on crossfire which was a 00:49:13.920 --> 00:49:18.880 bad approach um i think actually your theory we might 00:49:17.520 --> 00:49:24.000 have some credence given that one of the other leaked bullet points here is that 00:49:21.839 --> 00:49:29.040 the ps5 would be backwards compatible with ps4 pro titles why not 00:49:27.119 --> 00:49:32.880 yeah it might as well be right because it's 00:49:30.480 --> 00:49:35.440 fundamentally pretty similar in terms of the hardware 00:49:34.400 --> 00:49:40.800 and so you've got you go you go 00:49:38.240 --> 00:49:44.960 this site semi-accurate um you haven't heard of it apparently but 00:49:42.559 --> 00:49:49.040 i've been following charlie i don't remember how to pronounce dimerajin jim 00:49:46.720 --> 00:49:54.640 murray jane whatever charlie i've been following charlie since about 00:49:52.240 --> 00:49:58.480 2002 back when he used to work at the inquirer 00:49:55.760 --> 00:50:06.160 um not the national enquirer the enquirer and back then the inquirer was 00:50:03.200 --> 00:50:10.839 the bomb for industry leaks they they do have a track record of of being 00:50:08.079 --> 00:50:15.760 prescient and accurately leaking specifically console related 00:50:14.319 --> 00:50:21.359 leaks in the past now i've been wrong a couple times with something i can suggest why that might be 00:50:19.040 --> 00:50:24.559 um see okay 00:50:22.960 --> 00:50:28.800 and it makes me a little uncomfortable because i've never really talked to 00:50:26.800 --> 00:50:32.960 charlie much so i don't want to like talk about him when i don't actually 00:50:30.400 --> 00:50:38.480 know him that well but what i can say is that i do know that i've never seen him 00:50:36.000 --> 00:50:41.599 at an industry event that isn't an AMD one 00:50:40.800 --> 00:50:46.880 okay so what i can 00:50:44.400 --> 00:50:50.240 extrapolate from that particular data point 00:50:47.760 --> 00:50:57.440 is that if AMD talks to him and no one else does 00:50:53.839 --> 00:50:58.960 and he gets industry information somehow 00:50:57.440 --> 00:51:02.720 okay that maybe he's getting his information from 00:51:01.200 --> 00:51:10.000 that's pretty interesting contacts at AMD and if he would be if he has a track 00:51:06.079 --> 00:51:10.960 record of leaking console news 00:51:10.000 --> 00:51:17.440 which AMD has their hardware in up until the 00:51:14.240 --> 00:51:18.480 switch had their hardware in all three 00:51:17.440 --> 00:51:23.280 um that would align with my guesses as to 00:51:21.200 --> 00:51:26.880 where his sources might be from 00:51:24.720 --> 00:51:31.119 so that to me adds some credibility because over the 00:51:28.720 --> 00:51:34.839 years charlie has taken a lot of flack for saying a lot of stuff that didn't 00:51:32.880 --> 00:51:40.400 turn out to be true but 00:51:36.720 --> 00:51:42.480 as a reader of his over the years who 00:51:40.400 --> 00:51:48.079 you know takes rumors with the grain of salt you pay the thousand dollars a year 00:51:44.079 --> 00:51:50.480 no okay no i i i i read before 00:51:48.079 --> 00:51:54.079 i read before he put up the paywall so but as someone who's kind of paid 00:51:52.000 --> 00:51:58.160 attention to his career he's been right enough that if you read with the 00:51:56.960 --> 00:52:02.079 grain of salt that you should take rumors with in the first place and he 00:52:00.559 --> 00:52:06.800 called the site semi accurate i mean what more do you want um 00:52:04.640 --> 00:52:09.760 he's offered a lot of insight over the years 00:52:08.079 --> 00:52:14.960 that's what all that's what i'll say so all right i'm not saying yeah there's 00:52:11.920 --> 00:52:19.040 gonna be a ps5 but i would suggest that 00:52:14.960 --> 00:52:21.440 this might be why um sony hasn't had a 00:52:19.040 --> 00:52:24.319 response to the xbox one x yet and 00:52:23.040 --> 00:52:30.000 this might have been a good move for them to let microsoft launch the one x a few 00:52:27.839 --> 00:52:34.480 months ago and then say okay you know what we're gonna miss out on having the 00:52:31.680 --> 00:52:39.359 crown for like a year but realistically microsoft can't run out 00:52:36.720 --> 00:52:41.599 and release a new xbox again 00:52:40.720 --> 00:52:47.280 so we're giving up this year now of console 00:52:44.640 --> 00:52:51.440 you know thrown them but we should have a year or maybe more than that afterward 00:52:49.359 --> 00:52:56.000 while microsoft responds yeah they want to wait until the ps4 pro sales have 00:52:53.520 --> 00:52:59.920 peaked and are starting to taper off but also enough time 00:52:58.079 --> 00:53:05.440 so people through some people who bought a ps4 pro 00:53:01.839 --> 00:53:06.880 will also buy a ps5 at launch 00:53:05.440 --> 00:53:10.960 obviously not everyone's gonna do that another major factor is that they're 00:53:08.800 --> 00:53:14.720 they're at AMD's mercy here they can't release a faster console until AMD 00:53:12.880 --> 00:53:17.520 releases a faster freaking piece of hardware 00:53:16.079 --> 00:53:22.559 so that custom soc design process takes 00:53:20.000 --> 00:53:26.319 time and you can't start that process until 00:53:24.160 --> 00:53:31.839 the individual components of it so both the CPU and GPU are at least somewhat 00:53:29.200 --> 00:53:36.800 finalized so this that looks i mean that timeline sounds not that you know what 00:53:34.000 --> 00:53:39.760 the more we talk about this i'm going with it 00:53:38.400 --> 00:53:44.800 ps5 this q4 it's on put your balls on the 00:53:41.920 --> 00:53:48.960 table there you go bet something um so the bet would be either it's coming 00:53:46.720 --> 00:53:52.480 out holiday season or it's being announced at e3 00:53:50.880 --> 00:53:57.359 next june um or i guess this june yeah i don't 00:53:55.680 --> 00:54:01.280 know i'm gonna say i'm gonna say it's coming holiday season i don't know exactly how 00:54:00.160 --> 00:54:04.640 they're gonna handle the hype leading up to the release but you know what i'm in 00:54:03.280 --> 00:54:08.160 when are they gonna announce it they can't wait till e3 at june that's could 00:54:06.960 --> 00:54:12.960 they yeah they could yeah that gives them like a few months do they need to announce it at a conference or or an 00:54:11.200 --> 00:54:16.559 event or can they just launch it more and more companies excuse 00:54:14.800 --> 00:54:19.760 me i mean announce it microsoft did this for the xbox one 00:54:18.400 --> 00:54:23.119 more and more companies are just doing an apple style 00:54:21.440 --> 00:54:25.760 uh like conference they're just doing you know what 00:54:24.720 --> 00:54:28.880 forget it we're not going to announce things at ces or computex or e3 or 00:54:27.760 --> 00:54:34.240 whatever we'll do our world of our own party but they do it apple does it at their own conference every year exactly 00:54:31.920 --> 00:54:37.119 but does sony have one of those um i don't know if sony's done that but more 00:54:35.760 --> 00:54:40.160 and more companies are trying to do this so yeah let's find out 00:54:38.880 --> 00:54:45.599 maybe they maybe they'll just do their own thing 00:54:41.920 --> 00:54:48.000 i'm seeing ces 73 00:54:45.599 --> 00:54:52.559 you never know wc speaking of things you never know you never know when big 00:54:50.319 --> 00:54:56.000 brother is watching the original article here is from cnet sorry for the abrupt 00:54:54.720 --> 00:54:59.440 change in topics but i really want to cover this and it's like 20 after six 00:54:57.920 --> 00:55:02.640 already and i really want to talk about this 00:55:00.960 --> 00:55:08.559 i am going to shenzhen on monday 00:55:06.559 --> 00:55:14.960 so an ai company that works with shenzhen police is creating a system 00:55:11.200 --> 00:55:17.440 that will use cctv cameras to identify 00:55:14.960 --> 00:55:20.720 jaywalkers and send them a fine via a messaging app 00:55:19.520 --> 00:55:27.680 okay so full disclosure here that's cnet articles from july 2017 00:55:24.800 --> 00:55:30.480 because this is the fact that people's uh are getting 00:55:29.040 --> 00:55:34.720 in trouble like their faces are being projected onto a giant billboard in real 00:55:32.800 --> 00:55:39.200 time because these facial recognition equipped cameras are watching them 00:55:36.720 --> 00:55:44.559 jaywalk that's old news that that's been since last summer the new 00:55:41.520 --> 00:55:46.640 update now is that if that happens to 00:55:44.559 --> 00:55:50.880 you you might just get an sms that's like here's your fine bud click through 00:55:48.319 --> 00:55:55.040 and pay it could be sms could be in wechat which is 00:55:53.200 --> 00:55:58.880 i guess guess compared to chinese whatsapp 00:55:56.640 --> 00:56:03.599 so over 10 months ending in february of this year these boards that they created 00:56:01.280 --> 00:56:08.720 displayed thirteen thousand nine hundred and thirty jaywalker faces 00:56:06.480 --> 00:56:12.400 it's like a like a public shaming thing yeah well apparently jaywalking is a 00:56:10.160 --> 00:56:16.240 bigger deal in china than it is over here i can kind of see that there's more 00:56:14.000 --> 00:56:21.359 people they have a different attitude both the pedestrians have a different 00:56:17.760 --> 00:56:23.359 attitude to the law according to chinese 00:56:21.359 --> 00:56:28.720 political party opinion anyway and drivers have a different standpoint to 00:56:25.599 --> 00:56:30.880 pedestrian right of way apparently 00:56:28.720 --> 00:56:34.799 i saw there's studies where in germany you might only wait 60 seconds to cross 00:56:32.640 --> 00:56:37.440 the road but in china it might be 90 seconds and that's longer than people 00:56:36.000 --> 00:56:42.160 who need to wait and even when it's their turn the drivers might still just 00:56:39.839 --> 00:56:46.960 drop like not respect their right-of-way anyway so there's a lot of jaywalking 00:56:45.040 --> 00:56:50.960 and presumably because of the number of people there there's it causes a lot of 00:56:49.280 --> 00:56:54.480 traffic and bottlenecks so there's a high incentive for for the government to 00:56:52.880 --> 00:56:58.480 try to work this out so one of the ways they'll de-incentivize people to jaywalk 00:56:56.799 --> 00:57:02.400 is by socially shaming them putting their face and their family name by the 00:57:00.240 --> 00:57:08.960 way up on a giant billboard that you can see um and now i guess they're attaching 00:57:05.839 --> 00:57:10.480 a monetary incentive or de-incentive on 00:57:08.960 --> 00:57:14.480 that as well i mean this is just so apparently only about 10 of the 00:57:12.240 --> 00:57:18.960 population can be identified by the city or by the system in the city of shenzhen 00:57:18.079 --> 00:57:24.880 but if you consider that they're already working with 00:57:22.640 --> 00:57:29.839 third parties like these chat applications to deliver fines presumably 00:57:28.400 --> 00:57:35.119 they could work with third parties like um 00:57:32.960 --> 00:57:38.720 crap what's their uh what's their amazon alibaba like they could work with 00:57:36.640 --> 00:57:43.760 alibaba aliexpress is is part is like yeah but 00:57:41.200 --> 00:57:46.319 alibaba is like to contact manufacturers not to just buy stuff right you're right 00:57:45.520 --> 00:57:54.440 um so they could work with um wait hold on a second 00:57:50.799 --> 00:57:54.440 oh where's he going 00:57:55.440 --> 00:58:01.359 alibaba group chinese multinational yeah no alibaba 00:57:59.200 --> 00:58:06.559 group not like alibaba.com necessarily okay um anyway so the point is that they 00:58:04.480 --> 00:58:10.960 could work with companies like that that have or they could work with um 00:58:08.720 --> 00:58:14.640 chinese phone manufacturers for example that 00:58:12.559 --> 00:58:19.520 i'm not going to say who or what they're doing now but have been known in the 00:58:17.200 --> 00:58:23.440 past to put you know back doors on phones and or share information with the 00:58:21.520 --> 00:58:27.119 chinese government so they could work with these groups 00:58:24.960 --> 00:58:32.160 to make the facial recognition just one part of how they identify you so they 00:58:29.760 --> 00:58:36.880 could monitor where you go what you buy uh who you spend your time with and they 00:58:34.400 --> 00:58:40.960 could use all of these things to augment their facial recognition technology so 00:58:38.960 --> 00:58:44.880 that they could actually make a very very good guess 00:58:43.520 --> 00:58:48.880 as to who you are even if they don't get a 00:58:47.359 --> 00:58:54.559 perfect look at your face and where you are they can track you while you're driving your car exactly there are 00:58:51.680 --> 00:58:56.880 apparently 600 million cctv cameras in china 00:58:55.599 --> 00:59:00.960 it's like it's getting to full-on surveillance state 00:58:59.520 --> 00:59:05.680 and some of these things are positive like there's there's benefits from it um 00:59:03.599 --> 00:59:09.359 you can go to certain airports in china and be and not have a boarding pass it's 00:59:07.680 --> 00:59:14.000 all facial recognition your hands are full of your bags you just walk by the 00:59:12.559 --> 00:59:19.200 fl the attendant as you go into the plane like that's pretty sweet wow 00:59:17.599 --> 00:59:23.280 maybe they'll get to do that if you're in an airport that has that you should make a video 00:59:22.160 --> 00:59:29.040 there's no way i would be able to do it because oh yeah yeah that doesn't make any sense in fact the reason why only 10 00:59:26.720 --> 00:59:34.559 of the population of shenzhen uh gets their faces recognized is because 00:59:32.160 --> 00:59:37.599 i presumably it's like the database of all the different provinces isn't 00:59:35.920 --> 00:59:42.799 integrated so if you live in shenzhen but you're from a different province then they just don't have your record 00:59:40.880 --> 00:59:45.520 available so that's why they think that the number 00:59:44.240 --> 00:59:50.240 of people who will be susceptible to this tech should 00:59:47.760 --> 00:59:54.000 go up dramatically once they do get a more broadly based system 00:59:52.319 --> 00:59:58.880 in the future all right last topic for the day because 00:59:56.400 --> 01:00:02.640 we are not going to stop harping on this at least until you guys get bored of it 01:00:03.359 --> 01:00:08.720 more GeForce partner program news 01:00:07.040 --> 01:00:12.079 ASUS to ares 01:00:10.799 --> 01:00:15.440 is it just me or does that sound like kind of like a spanish i'm actually 01:00:14.079 --> 01:00:19.280 trying to figure out if it's supposed to be like aries 01:00:17.280 --> 01:00:24.400 well aries used to be they had aries before with an s on the end what they 01:00:21.200 --> 01:00:26.240 called their rog AMD based cards so it 01:00:24.400 --> 01:00:29.040 was at the at the very high end they had mars on the NVIDIA well maybe that's 01:00:27.920 --> 01:00:36.000 intentional because they're not allowed to say rog anymore they're still saying strix 01:00:33.520 --> 01:00:40.480 so maybe people will remember that aries was rog because 01:00:38.160 --> 01:00:44.319 losing rog hurts man like people consumers know what rog is and they want 01:00:42.559 --> 01:00:49.520 to buy it which is still bizarre to me because i still remember being just like 01:00:46.319 --> 01:00:51.359 baffled and angered by the original 01:00:49.520 --> 01:00:54.720 implementation of that branding i was just like this is so stupid what does 01:00:53.200 --> 01:00:59.280 republic of gamers even mean what is this like a place where all the gamers 01:00:56.480 --> 01:01:01.040 live you've never been it smells weird but it's pretty dope 01:01:00.720 --> 01:01:04.799 there 01:01:04.799 --> 01:01:10.720 that's what we need as a new sponsor like a deodorant product people's 01:01:08.480 --> 01:01:15.280 republic the sales pitch writes itself it's like too busy gaming to shower 01:01:13.359 --> 01:01:18.160 just use this spray no problem 01:01:16.480 --> 01:01:25.119 at least for a little while eventually you'll have a problem um 01:01:21.359 --> 01:01:28.000 so heuristics ASUS rog strix turns into 01:01:25.119 --> 01:01:32.640 ares or ares strix ASUS dual tunes into 01:01:30.720 --> 01:01:36.720 rs dual ASUS expedition which i've never even 01:01:34.400 --> 01:01:41.200 heard of before turns into rs expedition it's way out there so not only 01:01:39.119 --> 01:01:46.240 do we appear to be losing 01:01:43.440 --> 01:01:50.799 rog branding it looks like they aren't even putting a seuss branding on the 01:01:48.400 --> 01:01:56.400 cards that that weirds me out a little bit 01:01:54.079 --> 01:02:00.160 isn't that a maybe like at what point is somebody going to leak this freaking 01:01:58.559 --> 01:02:05.119 agreement so that we can have a look at it because i'll tell you usually 99 of the time 01:02:03.920 --> 01:02:10.559 when like you know some controversial document gets leaked or 01:02:08.559 --> 01:02:14.240 whatever i'll like read a bunch of articles kind of figure out what the 01:02:11.599 --> 01:02:17.760 consensus is and go okay yeah or i might i might read a couple of paragraphs of 01:02:15.920 --> 01:02:21.920 the thing if if the GeForce partner program leaked i would read the whole 01:02:19.280 --> 01:02:25.599 thing like multiple times i i want i want to understand i don't just want to 01:02:23.599 --> 01:02:29.839 see what's in there i want to understand what's in there because this sounds like 01:02:27.040 --> 01:02:33.680 a scary freaking document well in the original uh 01:02:31.440 --> 01:02:38.000 what's the site that leaked it hard ocp right in that original blog post 01:02:36.480 --> 01:02:44.000 or article he uh 01:02:40.079 --> 01:02:44.000 wondered if it was actually legal 01:02:44.480 --> 01:02:50.079 i don't know man me too 01:02:48.240 --> 01:02:52.960 so thanks for watching guys uh see you again next week same bad time same bad 01:02:52.000 --> 01:02:56.720 channel so much bacon maybe different co-hosts 01:02:57.200 --> 01:03:02.640 no no no no hold on no hold on no hold 01:03:00.240 --> 01:03:06.880 up hold on a minute that time variable co-host well i meant were you looking at 01:03:04.799 --> 01:03:09.359 the dates of packs no no no we're gonna we're gonna straw pull this we're gonna 01:03:08.079 --> 01:03:13.040 drop all this james okay 01:03:11.839 --> 01:03:16.319 good job 01:03:15.200 --> 01:03:21.200 all right let's go let's get some options in here yes 01:03:18.960 --> 01:03:25.280 no donkey balls oh 01:03:23.599 --> 01:03:29.839 i'm gonna log in and vote donkey ball create this pole here come on you guys 01:03:28.000 --> 01:03:34.799 you gotta let us know do you really want a new co-host next week 01:03:32.240 --> 01:03:39.599 i guess i ignored the possibility that the new co-host being replaced would be 01:03:37.039 --> 01:03:42.160 me because i'm traveling next week so oh yeah 01:03:40.480 --> 01:03:46.080 some people have said that luke james is their favorite combo 01:03:44.480 --> 01:03:49.119 well it was my mom 01:03:49.119 --> 01:03:54.720 she's biased oh 01:03:52.319 --> 01:03:58.319 terrible hey more donkey balls than nose come on donkey balls let's get it let's 01:03:56.240 --> 01:04:03.440 get our act together here that's a win i want to see some more donkey ball 01:04:01.599 --> 01:04:07.359 that's what the poster on your office door is about 01:04:05.599 --> 01:04:13.839 donkey balls inside well i don't need the whole donkey for that wait 01:04:09.359 --> 01:04:13.839 Linus likes donkey balls james donkey 01:04:14.319 --> 01:04:17.599 and we'll see you again next week 01:04:18.640 --> 01:04:26.520 good show most people said good job cool 51 so it's like a very narrow mouse 01:04:28.799 --> 01:04:35.440 that was a good show that was fun it felt uh smooth 01:04:32.400 --> 01:04:37.920 no we're still live right that's good 01:04:35.440 --> 01:04:45.359 i felt smooth buttery savage jerky smooth like honey 01:04:41.440 --> 01:04:45.359 three xbox number four 01:04:47.839 --> 01:04:50.240 sriracha