we go
we're live it's rancho time luke is at
pax in boston thank you for asking
james is here james is here yeah
hey new luke discount luke discount luke said
everyone uh sorry we're late you guys i
have to confess that it was not entirely my fault
james was at least partially to blame
go on um well james distracted me with
his marvelous beard i spent
25 minutes just staring at it today
rather than working which happens to be exactly the amount of time that i'm late
Yvonne looks confused and worried
she shouldn't be confused but she can be a little worried if she'd like
so she knows by now
um in all seriousness guys we have got
uh oh apparently the left ear is um
not getting the right amount of attention oh crap
i i legitimately don't know how to fix that
um put your headphones in mono um yeah that
that may actually be the solution because i don't remember which dial does
what uh uh um uh
uh yeah okay
so yup nope no i don't actually know how that stuff
works so there you go uh apparently left and why do people
change these things why would anyone change that
once again we didn't touch it all week and once again it's different gremlins i
swear there are gremlins living in it so what's actually going on is i have been
in a mad sprint to get a bunch of stuff done because i am going to china
i will be gone all next week but there will still be videos because this week
instead of being on time for WAN Show i was shooting two videos uh one's
actually pretty cool the other one's garbage yeah the other
one the other one's kind of lame um yeah no
one of them uh Intel released an entire lineup of called xeon w that as far as
we can could tell as far as we could tell is basically
their core series high-end desktop processors
with a xeon sticker over top of core i9
and some ecc support kind of ticked on in
the microcode or with a non-lasered connection somewhere in the chip or
something along those lines at least that's what we thought
and that turned out to be very true so
that that's going to be interesting so you can see what you're paying an extra
uh as much as like five six hundred bucks for depending on what kind of a currency you
use and i'm just mad that that was like a spoiler
yeah i guess it's kind of a spoiler i mean
people who watch the wen show we want to spoil them they're nice people they're good people
you the best um
second one is actually on the lenovo x1 carbon really nice machine yeah
but like everything this year it is not quite
perfect which will drive me to madness at some point
because you got either 1080p with touch
or 1440p with HDR
but no touchy is there any
technical reason for that um actually i remember talking to them back at ces and
i managed to get not a marketing person which is always awesome
when you manage to find like the engineering guy that's kind of like
kind of like back at the back of the booth or like kind of
sipping a coffee they don't let me talk to people like yeah i'm just i'm here
but like realistically i'm not really supposed to say anything
um you know whatever so you go find that
guy and he'll be like
you know yeah i wanted that too but
yeah there was there was some issue with this and i don't remember what the
reason was it seemed to be a fairly
fairly good one um and anyway we actually had a great
chat but you remember a technical reason it wasn't just they were trying to hit a particular price point there was a
business reason okay there was there was a compelling enough reason because i
remember we had a long chat where we were discussing sort of the stagnation
of display technology in the pc space
no one does anything until apple does it
because you think about it a pc up till the very high end would be like
1366 by 768 you remember that horrible
sort of hd resolution that they were pushing for a while
freaking awful and that was like the norm until apple came out
and was like okay no retina retina is a thing now and then everyone
everyone raced to retina but it's all it
all feels kind of like like it's driven by just responsiveness
rather than trying to uh trying to
innovate in a way that's meaningful to the consumer so i would look at notebook
displays and i would go why are we trying to sell 4k
why aren't we just running a sensible resolution like 2560 by 1440 and doing
it at a higher refresh rate that's what i'd like to see i don't mind
seeing features like HDR for example but
i don't necessarily want to compromise on them so
um yeah to be clear we are trying to we are
trying to fix the audio but for now what i would recommend
is that you use the i'm watching a podcast but my kids are
in the next room and i need to hear if they're crying technique i i can't do
one headphone really i can't do it i don't know it's psychology it falls out
no no no no it's just the sound of it i think i'm i think
i'm like focusing on the fact that one of my your ears is getting worn out
faster than the other i need them to be balanced
what that's insane
i all can see it it could be insane it just bugs me
so and okay let's say that i let's say that i do subscribe to oh wait it's too
loud Anthony just scream at him out there
yeah i i'm between a rock and a hard place no no it's fine i'll message him um
technology let's see him walk me away um
so let's say that i do subscribe to your theory that listening to headphones is
going to wear out my ears wouldn't i want
to wear them out less
uh okay no it's it's not the fact
so i would use just one for a bit right right here here i'll show you i'll show
you the technique i came up with i call it the i call it the james is crazy but
maybe just crazy enough for it to work technique
i'm gonna listen for a little while here i'm gonna listen for a little while here
i actually miss very little of my program
but you're saving on 50 your erosion so
your erosion okay here's the thing it's not hold on just a second i hate you so
much it's not that they're getting used or worn out like your brakes on the
car that's fine it's that they're getting used unequally
okay all right all right but this is all this was just like the
seed that that resulted in me just hating the
feeling of it now right this is like when i was like 12 or something right
uh oh man luke even he knew i wouldn't
check so he went out of his way to message me
and tell me make sure that you change the title of the WAN Show because i'm
changing it for the thing that i'm doing at pax
fridays uh 17.
can we talk about news while you do that what you want to talk about news you you
want the work that you do on this show to actually
like be for something yeah that's madness um yeah fine okay what do you
want okay well there's a a thread on our forum uh posted by
aluminum tech also known as aluminium tech
and this thread is about the facebook messenger app and how zuckerberg the ceo
of facebook this week uh confirmed that facebook does indeed
scan your messages whether they're pictures or text or whatever
make sure make sure that they conform with community guidelines
before actually sending it to the to the recipient so
if you send something that's against their guidelines like hate speech or inciting genocide or something like that
they may not actually deliver that message to whoever you're talking to
which uh definitely has some benefits
but the thread on our forum kind of erroneously implies that the
that we're not just talking about facebook messenger's normal messaging
when we're talking about this uh this surveillance it implies that we're
talking about facebook's secret function which is more akin to apps like signal
or telegram and that's actually not the case facebook does have a function
facebook messenger has a function where you can make your your chats
encrypted end to end and like the interface turns black and there's a
little lock and you can even make exploding messages like snapchat style
facebook is not scanning those messages
at all or maybe they are and we have no evidence of it but the the news or the
whatever zuckerberg confirmed has nothing to do with the secret messages
it has to do with the normal messages and so we really shouldn't be surprised
that they're looking at those so tell me then
okay do you use facebook messenger yeah actually it's one of my primary messaging apps okay how do you feel
about them scanning your messages with an automated system
for community guidelines standards adherence
as opposed to like a human well i guess i wanna i'm asking two questions first
so um do you like or dislike it
i believe okay first of all i think we should clarify i believe that they're
scanned with an automated system and once they're flagged it requires a human
to then say this message is not getting sent through i believe that's how it
works sure i am fine with my messages being scanned
okay and are you surprised by this no no you
should also mention that they do not use the data that
any of the information that they scan that information is not used to sell ads
which is what gmail used to do prior to last year
right
so i gotta tell you um i
so okay okay story time so
the only reason that i use facebook is
that facebook does not permit you
to manage a facebook page
um so the first page that i had to manage and the reason that i had to
create a facebook account was the one for ncix pc back when i worked there so
we were trying to get into this whole newfangled social media thing
and so i needed an account so that the page
could invite me to manage it um and make
posts on it and stuff i have probably posted of my own
volition a grand total of i don't know between five and ten things on facebook
ever um i only use facebook messenger as sort
of a um as a digital phone book because
the the good thing about facebook is that
whether um you know
whether you're happy about it or whether you kind of just do it because you have
to pretty much everyone has it and and yes
thank you whoever's in the twitch chat declaring that they do not have facebook
because they're taking some stand
good for you we're all jealous we all want to be in your shoes but but but the
truth of the matter is that facebook is a great way to get in touch with people
and aside from people changing their names
um like yeah
i i okay like having your first name and middle name as your facebook name no no
i mean i mean people getting married oh okay so there's a this is kind of
embarrassing but i was going through my friends on facebook and i was like who
are these people
and the shut up the people i was confused about
were mostly women from my high school class that are
now married and i was like that kind of looks oh oh
okay that that makes sense
um and then like a kid that i went to elementary school with he changed his
name from like his his stepdad's name which was his
last name for some reason i'm not quite sure how that worked to his birth
father's name oh so i was like oh your
whatever your name is barry now um
that's cool wouldn't have known that if i had from barry to barry happy e to be
a um that would be tough but anyway so what's
good about facebook is that it's it's a digital phone book it's because
the real phone books aren't a thing anymore um but the bad thing about it
and the thing that has always made me both a little bit uncomfortable and just
feel like it's a little bit unnecessary is that while i am technically a millennial um i i share
sort of updates about my life as a job i
have never done it for leisure not once um when i created a facebook account it
was because i needed to for work when i created a twitter account it was because
i had to for work and when i created a youtube account it was because i had to
for work same with twitch for that matter um
so i just straight up like don't really get it and i've never really felt it's
never been because i feel super comfortable with it that i've shared a lot of detail about my life um like some
of you have probably noticed that i now
that especially now that the Linus tech twitter account is managed by the entire
team i post almost nothing really personal on
it and i only post to my personal account like once every couple weeks
at most um and i've had a lot of people ask me like why don't you do more videos on
your Linus cat tips channel or why don't you vlog or why don't you do this or do
that and the truth of the matter is like i actually i like
not having to talk to anybody yeah no kidding like it's related i
found that i watched started watching our videos a lot less once
i worked here for a while and it's like not a surprise like what
do you want to do when you go home do you want to watch Linus tech tips like no you just did Linus tech tips all day
i i just had to look at him for the last eight hours
the last thing i want to do is to see him again because he's annoying well
it's not you see how i'm almost see i'm only wearing out one here right now
it's not you it's me it's weird today someone someone made a
thread about uh an item that they thought would be awesome for us to review so i send it to
Anthony i was like oh have you seen this yet and he's like yeah alex just made a
video about that today like it's done already like oh
so okay so back to back to messenger so for
me honestly it doesn't affect me much because even though i do have a facebook
account this is actually the okay you know i'm gonna i'm gonna go off on another thing here
then use your words if i had a if i had a
dollar for every time we've run a giveaway or a promotion or something
and it has required you to to tweet something
for every time someone's been like yeah well you've got you guys suck
because i don't have twitter if i had a dollar for every time i saw
that i would still be mad
because it's phenomenally stupid
twitter is free facebook is free
and the only information they have is
what you give them creating a twitter account
that's sole purpose is to enter giveaways
really doesn't give them a lot on you and get this it's free you could create
a new one every time hey but you need to have an
email address which is freedom also free
so if you don't if you don't
want it that bad to create a free anonymous email and a free anonymous
twitter account people are like uh cookies
walk in once post the thing
log back out
um it's pet peeve show next pet peeve topic how about that so so i do so so
anyway so i do have a facebook account but they actually probably know very
very little about me personally other than that i'm a tech head and i post a
lot of techy stuff for work
um
so i guess i'm trying to say that i just i'm not bothered that much you know what
sucks more about facebook messenger than that feature is them putting
ads in your inbox you probably haven't even seen this but
on on mobile like you'll open your messages it'll be like
your partner your best friend your acquaintance
oculus blah blah with a picture and everything really and then another
acquaintance straight up like right in there and i
don't know if these are in whatsapp yet but i wouldn't be surprised if that
happens soon since they've been wanting to monetize whatsapp for a while and
they own it um i would like to show you something
super super cool and funny um i think there's a way to see your page f as
though you are like oh man no you might
not your personal page yeah view as a page visitor no no no the line of the
line is tech tips one right um
oh wow is it gone oh that's pretty annoying um well anyway
up until sometime hopefully fairly recently
the the Linus tech tips page actually had as like like the top
post like somewhere near the top um please don't send messages to this
account nobody checks them
and right now see i don't even know where to find them
which is super terrible uh see the feed do you know where you
find messages maybe you disabled it maybe that's why that uh warning isn't
even there anymore i don't know we had something horrendous
like uh i don't remember how many tens of
thousands of messages that people sent and i was just like
i don't know i don't know what i can do for you to help make it more clear that
you shouldn't send messages through here um and it just said something like yeah
you need to go on the you need to go on the twitter page if you want to or the
twitter account if you need to send a message um
and wow i just i have no i should honestly i should be screen
sharing right now because you guys would find this pretty funny i have no idea
how to use facebook how do i facebook
you maybe you used to then as soon as you had a kid it just left you now
you're old people i just never did i just actually never cared like at all
um yeah i don't know but anyway so the
point is i do use messenger but it's usually just to be like oh yeah that
person that i met at like badminton at the rec center a couple weeks ago
uh what was their name again oh right maybe i'll see if i can get in touch
with them yeah one facebook messenger feature i like is
that you can make it your default sms app on Android anyway so you could type
in someone's name and then choose to message them via facebook or through
like regular texting which is sweet because then you only have one app for
both purposes but it also kind of sucks so i eventually switched back to not
doing that all right so why don't we jump into the
next thing that i'm super mad about um
the original article here is from anontech and this was posted by aluminium tech on the forum
once again all right
this is really dumb and really frustrating and it's not the first time
that this has been done by either AMD or NVIDIA and so right to be clear even
though it's NVIDIA doing it this time
AMD's done it in the past neither of them is getting a free pass
here and this behavior is absolutely 100
unacceptable it's right in the headline
NVIDIA quietly rolls out slower
lower TDP GeForce gt 1030
with ddr4 vram
now to be clear the gt 1030 is not some kind
of pillar of gaming cards
or anything like that and you wouldn't expect to be running the latest games at
the highest settings at the highest resolutions with them
but you would expect that if you bought a gt
1030 that what you got out of the box would
be similar to someone else's gt 1030 and
i would make the argument that if you look a little bit closer at these specs
here look at this
memory that is running at one third of the speed
oh man not to mention
at lower base and boost clocks
with a completely different memory technology so we're talking ddr4 versus
gddr5
i would make the assumption that that is not what you would expect
and that that is going to make some difference to the gaming experience and
that if you are buying a dedicated graphics card you probably care at least
somewhat about the gaming experience is it true that these systems the systems
that will be running these low end cards discrete as they may be
won't actually be able to really reap the benefits of ddr5 anyway
so it's not a huge loss okay
so you could make the argument that the way that um a review site like us or an
on tech or whoever else would typically benchmark a card like this
is not necessarily a very real world
because what we'll do and we've taken a lot of flack for this over the years
presumably from people who don't understand why we do it this way but
what we'll typically do is we'll take the highest end processor in the on the
market and we'll throw a gt 1030 on it
and then we'll report our results with the gt 1030 compared to
some other graphics cards you know whatever suite of cards we decide to test and the the fatal flaw that people
feel like they're pointing out for us is that no one would install a gt 1030 on a
2 000 7980 xc18 car extreme edition
um but the problem is that if we use anything else
we lose track of the difference between
these graphics cards because what might happen is the higher end ones might end
up bottlenecked so it doesn't give you a clear idea of the value per dollar
prospect of each card you're trying to remove the
CPU as a variable altogether yes so it's as fast as possible
now with that said it is possible that in the kind of system
someone might install one of these in you might not see
as much of a difference but i think you would probably see a difference
especially because GPU memory has an impact on the GPU's ability to load in
textures for example so it might affect the detail level that you can run at
now this is a complete this might be completely not even ignorant but
does the type of memory impact the TDP
of the graphics card so it depends it depends on the clock speed it's running
at it depends on the um
i think it yeah it depends how many chips you're running it depends on um
yeah mainly that depends on the yeah it depends on the tech that's being used
so you could also make an argument that it's better to have a lower TDP
GPU like and if you're looking to get a 1030 and the kind of system that's going
to run it you might actually want that lower TDP more than you want the extra
memory so that is possible
but in that case what i'd like to see is a separate sku i ended up arguing with
sapphire um on the phone about
how old was i supposed to be about 16 years ago but i'm still mad
i ended up arguing with sapphire on the phone and AMD for that matter about a
Radeon 9600 that i bought
so that should give you guys some idea well i told you how long ago it was
anyway the point is it was a radio 9600 and
it came with a 64 bit i still remember to this day it came with a 64-bit memory
bus instead of a 128-bit bus and back
then that was a big deal and compared to a 1030 um
a 960 was still sort of a somewhat
respectable card like if you wanted to play i don't remember if this is sort of era
appropriate but i think like sims would have been the kind of thing that my sister might have wanted to run on it
that would have made a significant difference and the reason i was mad was
that not only was it not marked clearly anywhere on the box
what the difference in spec was between this card and the other one the only
place anywhere that i could find this information was on sapphire's website
but not their north american one it was on their european one
wow so i had to go all the way out of my own territory online
in order to find out that this card was not the same thing and it was like
hidden like way down somewhere and this was at a time when manufacturers were
often doing like sc editions of cards
special edition or second edition but what the community nicknamed these
things was slow edition because a lot of the time they were cut down because of
yields so like they had a bunch of scrap chips that they had to do something with
so they'd like you know cut down the memory bus or they'd just do something else like that
um and that's the point that people are bringing up this this time you know what's the difference between this and
like 1080 ti it's just but the thing is they don't put the
these other letters these qualifiers front and center on the box in this case
this is way down the line in the product description it's a it's a description of
the memory it's not up front right beside the 1030. yeah they do put d4 in
the description but it's not a 1030 d4 it's way way way way down there
so i find it really frustrating but NVIDIA seems to be
rather than having taken our feedback and a lot of other members of the press
feedback to heart about the 1063 gig
which is more than just a 1060 with three gigs of
RAM or i should say less it's actually slower as well they seem to have taken
all the feedback that we gave them and
crumpled it up and thrown it in a fire because here they are doing it again and
it's only been a few months so what i worry about is that if we don't call
them out on this it's going to be something that we're going to continue to see happen
and that's not what we need you don't want to have to walk like
remember guys this is the same company that brought you green light
that brought you a program that restricted their partner's abilities to
pre-overclock their cards to differentiate them
supposedly to reduce confusion like that's why they have all these branding initiatives and stuff like that
oh oh not to mention GeForce partner program we want to reduce confusion do
you want to reduce confusion or do you just want the right type of control
right so it's good for their business interests so it doesn't matter
a lot of people won't notice anyway i won't know so just let it kind of slip
by uh this is great sparky sparkle man 55
says rip i got the notification a half hour late no no we were just a half hour
late unless you just got it now
yeah where the ones ripped so i guess i don't really have
a ton more to add i mean this this is really frustrating
you've got you've got a note in here some of the listed documentation does show two different core names gp 108 300
versus gp 108 310 um
but the whole thing is very confusing and the oh this oh this was what i ended
up yelling at AMD about 16 years ago AMD
on their website because remember this was not an AMD card technically it was a
sapphire card as if AMD didn't send them the friggin chips
AMD's own website had no mention whatsoever of a 64-bit memory bus
variant of this card so in this case once again just washing
their hands of it the official NVIDIA GeForce gt 1030 product page mentions
nothing about this change
so how can you how can you how can you advocate for less consumer
confusion when you're running around enabling your
partners to release products even if you technically not your product or whatever
the defense would be how can you be running around enabling partners to
create products based on your products that you don't even list on your website
especially going forward when those partners are part of the
GeForce partner program
very very frustrating all right do you also feel passionately
about this spectre business um
i can't imagine that you feel as passionate about it
what i really feel passionate about is
eating savage jerky i know
in my head i was like he wouldn't
he couldn't god damn it she did
savage jerky is a tasty snack that's not bad for you
it's made with the best ingredients without nitrates or preservatives and
their goal was to well create a snack that's full of flavor and not bad for
you which i think i already said i got my talking points mixed up here they've
got 13 different flavors of jerky uh some of the fan favorites are the
sriracha bacon um my personal favorite is the maple buffalo bacon i gave it to
someone else to try like two weeks ago and they were like eh but whatever i
like it i don't care more for you man more for me there's probably john he's
not canadian not that i don't understand maple not that i was gonna share it with
anybody anyway so so whatever uh these
uh cracked pepper and sea salt is really good the traditional is really good the
uh anything moho is really good
you're a vegetarian i want to check out the label and stuff oh okay
and why not show off a different flavor fine you can show off whatever flavor
you want you can have the whole box so they not only make beer jerky they've
got hot sauces barbecue sauce as a spice rub
jacked i never get anything you're not supposed to get any
well this bag is fine take it this bag's been open for over a week but you don't
get to complain when i take your m ms anymore i don't well it's just that you
do it all the time okay actually i don't eat eminence anymore i eat trail mix you
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i think you just owned the ears of uh the viewers
thank you for that i don't have a choice
all right what topic do you want to do next
oh my oh can we do this one
okay i'm sorry okay but the thing is only part of this is news
all right fine we'll do your stupid ps5 thing no this is good i didn't want to talk about this no i'm already i'm
already screen sharing the original article here from express.co.uk ps5
rumors are it might come out this christmas a lot of people think those rumors are dumb so this started on a
website uh called what is it called the
situation or we're gonna have to stop calling you lazy semi accurate we're gonna have to
go with we're gonna have to go with savage james
here have some savage jerky that was savage uh okay so i actually
this this website has a great name in this context semiaccurate.com
behind a one thousand dollar per year paywall or 100 a year for students this
website published an article with allegedly legit information claiming
that the playstation 5 was going to come out this holiday season which is a lot
sooner than people would think considering that the ps4 pro came out
only two years ago and the ps4 itself only came out five years ago and when
traditionally the launch cycles of these things have been
about seven years between the three and four
uh so people think that you can
sony can make a lot more money off the ps4 pro still
the like that can become the de facto like normal default playstation for
people and they can start to push the price down to like 250 bucks they don't
need to release the new playstation just yet
ps4 pro was two years ago
yeah bro see the older you get the faster time
goes what because each year of your life is a
smaller proportion of your life no it was a year and a half
huh okay oh okay i should have written the months in
oh okay no no but by the time this launched in the at christmas it would be
two years oh i see your point okay okay okay
so here's okay do you want to go through the
rumored specs first sure it's gonna be AMD again the
platform like the architecture is navi it's gonna be eight cores and i actually
have a question about that if we get to it yeah it's gonna have a strong emphasis on vr support
that some discussion there you know they have to make certain considerations and
decisions uh to include that and maybe no one
cares but maybe no one cares if there's no good vr yet and this is a chicken and
egg thing they did recently drop the price of the psvr
but i i don't know what my understanding is that the psvr is the best-selling
gaming uh vr headset but i also don't
know if that's meeting sony's expectations in terms of how many they
have to sell in order to support it it's uh i think at this point it's a
rising tide lifts all boats thing with vr
it's a setup for future profits uh what else do we know about this thing we know
that the CPU would be rumored to be zen based although
we could pretty much take for granted that any future custom soc that AMD would
produce for whether it's microsoft or sony would hopefully be zen based at
this point so here's my question and again noob question maybe
on the pc in the realm of pc gaming
prior to ryzen and coffee lake for sure single threaded all the games and
engines and all that apis are optimized for single threaded right
so depends mostly
strongly it strongly depends so some of them
basically since we started getting dual cores which
was actually uh a really long time ago now
which is sort of terrible at least 10 years more than that yeah you're in
laptops 10 years ago q6600 i remember buying
our q 6600 engineering sample
which technically you're neither supposed to buy nor sell
um from my old boss at ncix
back in 2007. so yes
quad core and that was a like 600 700
CPU so that was like the first non-extreme edition quad core
but certainly not mainstream yet dennis just walked by with an eggplant so we've
got
that so we've had quad cores on the desktop
for 10 years and that chip later dropped in price i think probably about
eight months to eight to 12 months later and became far more accessible
so ever since then we have seen an
onward march towards supporting more cores now in the early days the support
was fairly rudimentary like you would have one core dedicated to like
mostly the entire game and then you'd have another one that handled
like maybe enemy ai like like like one
thing okay it'd be offloaded but over time they got
to supporting more and more and more threads natively and i believe crisis
three supports something like four
well the why is it then when ryzen came out and it had all these cores
everyone was stoked on it and in theory the performance should
be a lot of these Intel skus it didn't and it was because we had to
wait for the game developers to optimize their games and the apis for quality
core okay so there were a couple of things that happened um first of all
a lot of the things that people were excited about with ryzen and about
multi-core on ryzen well actually i think it's mainly two things one is that
AMD depending on how you look at it
and it's complicated but AMD wasn't that
far behind Intel for gaming in a from a certain point of view as
obi-wan might put it um because at the
resolutions that you would be likely to run games at so higher resolution with
higher details you'd be more likely to hit a GPU bottleneck than a CPU one
so in that sense AMD cpus weren't that
far off unless you did want to turn down your
details to get higher frame rates because you were a competitive player
or unless you were um
you cared about your power consumption because they did consume a lot more
power before zen or if you wanted more up-to-date
features on the platform because by the end of it like those boards were looking
pretty dated in terms of their feature sets so there were lots of other things
let me fully actually finish the question the final clause of
the question is given that in the pc side
it's so weird that in the comp console side you've got these
multi-core AMD chips like ruling the roost on like all
the consoles so are game developers taking different
approaches on console and pc so okay
so
back to your question the things people were excited about AMD having better
single threaded performance for gaming and AMD having multi-threaded
performance for other workloads and also to put pressure
on Intel because that's what Intel did right they
launched quad core on the desktop back in like 2006
and it was quad core on the desktop up until
2000 and in one six
that was pretty much it unless you wanted to sprint there were six there were six core AMD
cpus and like two no but i mean on the Intel side yeah yeah okay the thing about those six core AMD processors
though is that they didn't threaten Intel even with six cores they weren't
competitive with Intel's own quad cores that they could turn out so it didn't so
it wasn't really relevant and they sucked more power they didn't overclock there was there was a bunch of things so
people were excited because zen would bring more competition to the
market now getting back to AMD's previous course not necessarily being
that underpowered for gaming well that's what you're seeing on the game consoles
so because the game developers know exactly what hardware they're optimizing
for they can go okay we're gonna have exactly this oh right
the other issue with zen performance on the desktop in games was actually more
software and firmware related there were scheduler issues with Windows um and
there were i mean any new CPU it's kind of like why i put um
uh what was the what was the not set of the
6950xs in the editing machines like three weeks before the new 18 core
flagship came out the reason is that anytime you have a new CPU launch
whether it's AMD or Intel and particularly on this last round where
both amt and Intel were guilty of pulling up their launches
just to like just to have something out there and them being not quite 100
polished anytime you have a new CPU you're gonna
have some some issues and um that was a big part of what affected
gaming performance on the desktop and sometimes game developers did have to
optimize because even though it's x86
it's it's not like a new CPU is just
the old CPU but like with a trogdor
like it's actually different
and so if you gave even a let's say you gave a professional driver
um and i don't i don't know cars but so
you'll have to forgive me but let's say you gave them a bugatti and a
lamborghini a some model x and y and you
were like okay get the best track time on this track
it would take them a little while if they switched from this one to that one
to learn the best way to do it even if this one was more powerful like they are
they're div they're different machines so
coming back to consoles this has been a very sort of winding topic here um
they know exactly what they're optimizing for they don't have to make any guesses
and they are going to run the game in such a way and they're
going to optimize the game in such a way that you aren't going to run out of CPU resources also by the end of AMD's
non-zen course while the performance wasn't great their power efficiency was
getting a lot better so they take this good power efficiency
and they've got four kind of like good enough cores and they've got developers
who know that they can split it up exactly in this way because it's going
to run on four course there's not going to be some yahoo out there running a
dual core because Intel still has dual cores for some reason
um and they can and they can split it up that way to make the best possible use
of the quad core and then the GPU well they can push the game's visual effects
to the max so that they can run into a GPU bottleneck rather than a CPU one also
it's a console it's gonna run on a tv it doesn't have to run higher than 60fps
anyway cool i get it there's the long the very very long answer hopefully that
was finished you're bacon you've been well so good talking with your hands way
too much to still be holding that
bacon so please and now to circle all the way back to the beginning
in your opinion is the ps5 coming out in 2018
even if it's december 31st
okay consider that when the ps4 i think was it pro
came out which it was it was either the pro or the ps4 it came out in november and we
knew about it february of that year if this is going to come out on the
holiday april yep yeah we're two months beyond that this now it probably would
be launching in november if they're trying to make the holiday yeah
so that's a short media window to get the media hype running so do you think
it's coming out this year so normally i would say absolutely not and the reason
is that up until now every playstation
whether it was emotion or whether it was cell or whether it was a move to jaguar
every playstation has been architecturally dramatically different
totally different so if you told me in april there's a
playstation coming in november i'd tell you to go take a long walk off a short
pier because you're an idiot because there's no way that in what what does
that work out to seven months there's no way that in seven months
anyone is going to have launch titles ready because they're going to have to
completely re like recode aspects of
these games in order to run on this new machine the developer things are already
out there okay that is known okay so that we know but
even then like i'm saying there's still no way that seven months would be even
close like a modern triple a game remember you can't launch a console
without uh unless you're nintendo
at least a couple triple a tier games
and those take literally years to develop and it's not going to be
it's not going to be good enough to just take some existing titles and go now at
you know 4k with better details or whatever else if if people were really
into that they'd go buy a pc however because a playstation 5 would be
just playstation 4 on steroids
with zen course which is going to make a big difference that's going to be like
really nice and then presumably and it
says navi based graphics which would be again very nice remember this is not
vega this is a new architecture past vega
um because it would be just like that on steroids new architectures but much more
powerful ones but still fundamentally x86 and uh
crap what does AMD call their thing again so what you're saying is a gcn it's kind
of like psccn anymore
anyway you're saying it's kind of like ps4 pro pro
yeah like but way more pro because the ps4 pro relied on crossfire which was a
bad approach um i think actually your theory we might
have some credence given that one of the other leaked bullet points here is that
the ps5 would be backwards compatible with ps4 pro titles why not
yeah it might as well be right because it's
fundamentally pretty similar in terms of the hardware
and so you've got you go you go
this site semi-accurate um you haven't heard of it apparently but
i've been following charlie i don't remember how to pronounce dimerajin jim
murray jane whatever charlie i've been following charlie since about
2002 back when he used to work at the inquirer
um not the national enquirer the enquirer and back then the inquirer was
the bomb for industry leaks they they do have a track record of of being
prescient and accurately leaking specifically console related
leaks in the past now i've been wrong a couple times with something i can suggest why that might be
um see okay
and it makes me a little uncomfortable because i've never really talked to
charlie much so i don't want to like talk about him when i don't actually
know him that well but what i can say is that i do know that i've never seen him
at an industry event that isn't an AMD one
okay so what i can
extrapolate from that particular data point
is that if AMD talks to him and no one else does
and he gets industry information somehow
okay that maybe he's getting his information from
that's pretty interesting contacts at AMD and if he would be if he has a track
record of leaking console news
which AMD has their hardware in up until the
switch had their hardware in all three
um that would align with my guesses as to
where his sources might be from
so that to me adds some credibility because over the
years charlie has taken a lot of flack for saying a lot of stuff that didn't
turn out to be true but
as a reader of his over the years who
you know takes rumors with the grain of salt you pay the thousand dollars a year
no okay no i i i i read before
i read before he put up the paywall so but as someone who's kind of paid
attention to his career he's been right enough that if you read with the
grain of salt that you should take rumors with in the first place and he
called the site semi accurate i mean what more do you want um
he's offered a lot of insight over the years
that's what all that's what i'll say so all right i'm not saying yeah there's
gonna be a ps5 but i would suggest that
this might be why um sony hasn't had a
response to the xbox one x yet and
this might have been a good move for them to let microsoft launch the one x a few
months ago and then say okay you know what we're gonna miss out on having the
crown for like a year but realistically microsoft can't run out
and release a new xbox again
so we're giving up this year now of console
you know thrown them but we should have a year or maybe more than that afterward
while microsoft responds yeah they want to wait until the ps4 pro sales have
peaked and are starting to taper off but also enough time
so people through some people who bought a ps4 pro
will also buy a ps5 at launch
obviously not everyone's gonna do that another major factor is that they're
they're at AMD's mercy here they can't release a faster console until AMD
releases a faster freaking piece of hardware
so that custom soc design process takes
time and you can't start that process until
the individual components of it so both the CPU and GPU are at least somewhat
finalized so this that looks i mean that timeline sounds not that you know what
the more we talk about this i'm going with it
ps5 this q4 it's on put your balls on the
table there you go bet something um so the bet would be either it's coming
out holiday season or it's being announced at e3
next june um or i guess this june yeah i don't
know i'm gonna say i'm gonna say it's coming holiday season i don't know exactly how
they're gonna handle the hype leading up to the release but you know what i'm in
when are they gonna announce it they can't wait till e3 at june that's could
they yeah they could yeah that gives them like a few months do they need to announce it at a conference or or an
event or can they just launch it more and more companies excuse
me i mean announce it microsoft did this for the xbox one
more and more companies are just doing an apple style
uh like conference they're just doing you know what
forget it we're not going to announce things at ces or computex or e3 or
whatever we'll do our world of our own party but they do it apple does it at their own conference every year exactly
but does sony have one of those um i don't know if sony's done that but more
and more companies are trying to do this so yeah let's find out
maybe they maybe they'll just do their own thing
i'm seeing ces 73
you never know wc speaking of things you never know you never know when big
brother is watching the original article here is from cnet sorry for the abrupt
change in topics but i really want to cover this and it's like 20 after six
already and i really want to talk about this
i am going to shenzhen on monday
so an ai company that works with shenzhen police is creating a system
that will use cctv cameras to identify
jaywalkers and send them a fine via a messaging app
okay so full disclosure here that's cnet articles from july 2017
because this is the fact that people's uh are getting
in trouble like their faces are being projected onto a giant billboard in real
time because these facial recognition equipped cameras are watching them
jaywalk that's old news that that's been since last summer the new
update now is that if that happens to
you you might just get an sms that's like here's your fine bud click through
and pay it could be sms could be in wechat which is
i guess guess compared to chinese whatsapp
so over 10 months ending in february of this year these boards that they created
displayed thirteen thousand nine hundred and thirty jaywalker faces
it's like a like a public shaming thing yeah well apparently jaywalking is a
bigger deal in china than it is over here i can kind of see that there's more
people they have a different attitude both the pedestrians have a different
attitude to the law according to chinese
political party opinion anyway and drivers have a different standpoint to
pedestrian right of way apparently
i saw there's studies where in germany you might only wait 60 seconds to cross
the road but in china it might be 90 seconds and that's longer than people
who need to wait and even when it's their turn the drivers might still just
drop like not respect their right-of-way anyway so there's a lot of jaywalking
and presumably because of the number of people there there's it causes a lot of
traffic and bottlenecks so there's a high incentive for for the government to
try to work this out so one of the ways they'll de-incentivize people to jaywalk
is by socially shaming them putting their face and their family name by the
way up on a giant billboard that you can see um and now i guess they're attaching
a monetary incentive or de-incentive on
that as well i mean this is just so apparently only about 10 of the
population can be identified by the city or by the system in the city of shenzhen
but if you consider that they're already working with
third parties like these chat applications to deliver fines presumably
they could work with third parties like um
crap what's their uh what's their amazon alibaba like they could work with
alibaba aliexpress is is part is like yeah but
alibaba is like to contact manufacturers not to just buy stuff right you're right
um so they could work with um wait hold on a second
oh where's he going
alibaba group chinese multinational yeah no alibaba
group not like alibaba.com necessarily okay um anyway so the point is that they
could work with companies like that that have or they could work with um
chinese phone manufacturers for example that
i'm not going to say who or what they're doing now but have been known in the
past to put you know back doors on phones and or share information with the
chinese government so they could work with these groups
to make the facial recognition just one part of how they identify you so they
could monitor where you go what you buy uh who you spend your time with and they
could use all of these things to augment their facial recognition technology so
that they could actually make a very very good guess
as to who you are even if they don't get a
perfect look at your face and where you are they can track you while you're driving your car exactly there are
apparently 600 million cctv cameras in china
it's like it's getting to full-on surveillance state
and some of these things are positive like there's there's benefits from it um
you can go to certain airports in china and be and not have a boarding pass it's
all facial recognition your hands are full of your bags you just walk by the
fl the attendant as you go into the plane like that's pretty sweet wow
maybe they'll get to do that if you're in an airport that has that you should make a video
there's no way i would be able to do it because oh yeah yeah that doesn't make any sense in fact the reason why only 10
of the population of shenzhen uh gets their faces recognized is because
i presumably it's like the database of all the different provinces isn't
integrated so if you live in shenzhen but you're from a different province then they just don't have your record
available so that's why they think that the number
of people who will be susceptible to this tech should
go up dramatically once they do get a more broadly based system
in the future all right last topic for the day because
we are not going to stop harping on this at least until you guys get bored of it
more GeForce partner program news
ASUS to ares
is it just me or does that sound like kind of like a spanish i'm actually
trying to figure out if it's supposed to be like aries
well aries used to be they had aries before with an s on the end what they
called their rog AMD based cards so it
was at the at the very high end they had mars on the NVIDIA well maybe that's
intentional because they're not allowed to say rog anymore they're still saying strix
so maybe people will remember that aries was rog because
losing rog hurts man like people consumers know what rog is and they want
to buy it which is still bizarre to me because i still remember being just like
baffled and angered by the original
implementation of that branding i was just like this is so stupid what does
republic of gamers even mean what is this like a place where all the gamers
live you've never been it smells weird but it's pretty dope
there
that's what we need as a new sponsor like a deodorant product people's
republic the sales pitch writes itself it's like too busy gaming to shower
just use this spray no problem
at least for a little while eventually you'll have a problem um
so heuristics ASUS rog strix turns into
ares or ares strix ASUS dual tunes into
rs dual ASUS expedition which i've never even
heard of before turns into rs expedition it's way out there so not only
do we appear to be losing
rog branding it looks like they aren't even putting a seuss branding on the
cards that that weirds me out a little bit
isn't that a maybe like at what point is somebody going to leak this freaking
agreement so that we can have a look at it because i'll tell you usually 99 of the time
when like you know some controversial document gets leaked or
whatever i'll like read a bunch of articles kind of figure out what the
consensus is and go okay yeah or i might i might read a couple of paragraphs of
the thing if if the GeForce partner program leaked i would read the whole
thing like multiple times i i want i want to understand i don't just want to
see what's in there i want to understand what's in there because this sounds like
a scary freaking document well in the original uh
what's the site that leaked it hard ocp right in that original blog post
or article he uh
wondered if it was actually legal
i don't know man me too
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