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Livestream VOD – November 15, 2025 @ 01:22 – The Hardest Secrets I’ve Ever Kept - WAN Show November 14, 2025 (Chat is broken this week we are sorry)

Linus Tech Tips ·Linus Tech Tips ·2025-11-15 · 50,579 words · ~252 min read
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0:00 Oh, okay, so I guess we're only live on Twitch?
1:39 OK, cool.
21:06 What is up, L's and G's?
24:37 Speaking of not wanting to meet or something.
83:23 Speaking of not agreeing with it, I looked up images and references and stuff like that and the USB-C port does line ...
84:56 No, no.
95:57 You just got to dump it on Philippine, speaking of which, question from the now working Philippine chat.
125:47 Oh, no.
130:07 So the way it's.
132:27 Hey, I mean, it's the start of a thing.
140:10 I thought we were moving on from that merge message.
143:19 Moving on.
158:59 Sure.
163:29 Oh, yeah.
166:22 Okay.
187:05 You want your teeth to be yellow for a year, dude?
190:14 Very good.
212:48 What else we got?
216:35 Neat.
234:54 Sorry, dude.
237:15 The point is, we have a literal button on the show.
243:21 AI.
249:29 Yeah, it's going to be a rough and frankly, all of this, I mean, we got to keep in mind all of this is coming from th...
254:28 I don't know what it says, but this is the meme.
256:20 Anyone at harm had it coming.
272:50 Let's move on.
275:45 Oh, yeah, I don't.
277:47 It's fine.
279:11 See, I was going to say something like if you went sort of beyond the call of duty, but he really does.
284:43 The hardest to keep secret?
290:52 I feel like an after dark hoodie might actually be really sick.

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0:00 Oh, okay, so I guess we're only live on Twitch?
0:08 We're so back. What? No, it just takes a second.
0:11 I thought you said floatplume was down. No, no, no, no, the chat service was down.
0:15 Oh, the chat service. And the chat service is back up.
0:18 Well, the chat service is the only thing that matters, as we all know.
0:23 Good to know. This will inform future development.
0:27 No. We could just delete the entire site, except for the chat service.
0:30 My life would be so much money on bandwidth. Oh, God, so I don't know.
0:36 You'd be amazed how quickly they can spam emotes. Yeah, but emotes are heavily cashed, like so heavily cashed.
0:43 Yeah, cashed money. No, that's the whole point.
0:48 Anti-cached money. Also, I think it's back down.
0:54 That's a peak dad joke. Spelling?
0:57 Hominems? Let's go. It's about Emilia Bedelia up in the way on show.
1:05 Now that's a quality reference. Thank you.
1:10 I learned language from a book, hopefully not that book.
1:15 I mean, this is one of the reasons I can't spell.
1:21 Oh, man.
1:39 OK, cool. No major controversies for the moment.
1:46 We are live right now, right? Yes. Well, we've got a great show lined up.
1:50 I can't interact with you people because I don't have a working chat.
1:54 I'll just, my CTO is on it, though, our best people.
1:59 Our best people are on it. Our best people? Yeah.
2:02 Our best people. No, no, no, no.
2:06 Then people will know that our company is actually like super small.
2:10 We say our best people. So whenever I'm talking to important people, I'll be like, have your people talk to my
2:15 people. You know. Bands.
2:18 Like, stop naming the people.
2:24 Yeah. Talk to Vance sounds way less cool.
2:27 Staying videos, just like, yeah, we'll just get, like, I don't know, Janice from the other
2:34 department. She'll send you the GPU.
2:38 It's like how, like, Canada's entire passport and, like, government ID control system is
2:44 just like Bob and Eunice in Newfoundland.
2:47 Oh, my God, it's so is, though.
2:51 It's like half a joke, but, like, I am, I'm going through getting some regulatory crap
2:56 dealt with right now, and it is, God, it's painful, whether it's taxes or whether it's
3:01 permits or just everything. Oh, my God, like.
3:05 You've got to talk to Janice. I, I. They're a little swamped right now.
3:09 Fishing season is just getting started. I am so confused by what's going on in the States, particularly because it's like smaller
3:19 government is like this kind of neat idea in theory of, like, you know, staying out
3:23 of my biz, but then also, like, I can tell you as a Canadian that when there's just nobody
3:31 to talk to you at the Canada Revenue Agency, it's actually a pretty big problem.
3:36 Big government, small people. Are your things for your braces yellow?
3:42 Why would you do that?
3:47 Because what they actually are is white, and what I actually did was order way too much
3:53 curry by accident and eat nothing but butter chicken and korma for three days.
3:59 So now they're yellow.
4:06 They're turmeric colored.
4:09 Deal with it. I mean, I can deal with it, but it looks so bad.
4:14 It looks horrible.
4:17 I think I got some white out here if you want to like paint it on.
4:20 I was just like, whoa, it's like, is he, so you having a hard time over there?
4:26 I got some, I got some spray paint in from there.
4:29 It's not that bad. Right. Yeah, I could, I could color correct you.
4:33 Hey, they're straighter though. It's good.
4:37 Like it was getting to the point where it's kind of hard to clean the bottom ones.
4:42 And now other than the one twisted one. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, they're, they're actually pretty straight now.
4:50 My nickname for this one is twisties.
4:54 Nice. Um, man, I've had, I don't know, I've had them on for, well, okay, no, no.
5:05 We all know we can all look it up because the day that I got them on with the lossless
5:10 scaling video, man, that is forever one of the greatest cuts where it just pushes so
5:19 far into your face. Okay, so I've had them for about four months.
5:28 It feels like a lot longer. It really does.
5:32 Doesn't it? Really, really, truly does been here too long.
5:35 Yeah, I am so ready for them to be off.
5:38 We might not have a chat today.
5:44 Oh, really? Yeah, actually.
5:47 Am I going to do it? Do what? Read Twitch.
5:50 Am I going to, am I going to open up? You could Twitch.tv.
5:55 Am I going to? You could watch YouTube chat. You could watch YouTube chat.
5:58 Am I going to go to TikTok? You don't have to go this far. Am I going to do that?
6:01 Am I going to? You don't have to go this far. Oh my God, I'm doing it.
6:05 I don't even remember how to pop it out anymore. Here we go.
6:08 It must be here. There it is. Holy actual ball sack.
6:12 It just happened. No way. Dude, they're going to lose their chat privileges so fast though.
6:20 I got my mod icons open. I'm ready to start banning when you say.
6:23 Like you know it's going to happen. They're going to lose their privileges.
6:27 Pull a, what's that? I've got a macro for this and everything. Don't wait.
6:31 Just flat. Pull a flat. Just ban like everybody.
6:34 Yeah. I'm going to do that. I mean, I hate them.
6:37 You can script banning people in chat. Really? Yeah.
6:41 He just did like a banner snap. He did like. He just like got rid of half his viewers.
6:44 Oh, I like it. Wasn't it? Maybe he's done it more than once.
6:47 I thought it was anyone that had a Minecraft reference in their name. He's done a bunch where he's done like certain references.
6:51 If you say a certain letter, you're going to be banned like the letter E.
6:55 Nice. You're gone. Nice.
6:58 Quality. Quality. This does not need to have audio.
7:04 I forget if I, how does it work on Twitch?
7:08 If I close the window, can the chat stay open? Yeah.
7:11 Yeah. I don't think so. Yeah.
7:14 Nice. Quality. I haven't used Twitch chat in years.
7:19 I still read them.
7:22 That explains so much. I have to read all of them. See this man?
7:28 This is a man who has read Twitch chat far too much.
7:32 Look, everyone's so happy in Twitch chat. You started a hype train. Which means people are giving you money right now.
7:37 Look, it's a hype train. It sounds stupid. They're giving you money.
7:40 That sounds stupid. They know how much money I have, right?
7:43 Yo, guys, can we get to a level three hype train?
7:47 So dumb. They're going to do it.
7:54 You shouldn't give Linus some substitute on channel. You know the mean where there's the person with no cookies on their plate and the person
7:57 with a few cookies on their plate? I want the person with all of the cookies talking to the other ones to be like, can
8:03 we hit a level three hype train, please?
8:06 I love that. Can we boost my Discord server?
8:09 I'm not even going to be here for it. I'm going to go get a snack that I bought with my money that I already have.
8:17 But now that money is gone, so if we can get to a level three hype train, we're at 80%.
8:22 Let's go. Oh my God, I've got three minutes and 40 seconds left.
8:27 Chat. I might be able to unlock a new...
8:30 Linus, can I give you a gift sub to the LTT channel?
8:35 He probably already has one. Linus said that if I get all the revenue from this hype train...
8:40 Where? I'm trying. Woo!
8:43 I love your review. You say that and it jumps. Let's go!
8:46 Let's go! Yes! You're going to have the $12 or whatever we get after Twitch takes all their...
8:51 We've got a good cut. Let's do this. Oh my God.
8:54 Let's go. I'll actually try.
8:57 Oh yeah, we're just about it.
9:00 We just hit a level four hype train. Mr. Knowledge about Twitch stuff, what does it even mean?
9:05 So a hype train is also named a scam train.
9:09 It's literally just designed to be like be part of the hype train.
9:12 By spending money. By spending money. Or a level five now.
9:15 If you hit level five like we did or whatever. There are certain things.
9:18 You unlock certain emotes for like limited time that you can use.
9:22 They also have different types of hype trains. So like one of the hype trains is called a golden capital hype train.
9:28 Where it's very... Yeah, one of the different hype trains is a golden capital hype train.
9:31 Where if you get it, you get like a rare emote for 24 hours.
9:34 And it's like actually really hard to get. Level seven!
9:37 And then the other type of hype train is called a treasure train.
9:40 Where if you get to a certain level, the gifted subs actually become cheaper.
9:46 So it incentivizes people to gift even more to try to break certain records.
9:51 So it's like, oh dude, now five gifted subs are 35% off.
9:56 Because a measure of success on Twitch is how many subscribers you have.
10:00 Yeah, yeah. So you're trying to push that, right? For sure.
10:03 That makes sense. But like, okay, we are level seven. Now I understand there's scaling benefits, whatever.
10:07 But like can you... Level eight!
10:10 You have enough information with us apparently being level eight now.
10:13 To know like how many came through. Like is it measured or does it like ramp based on speed?
10:18 It ramps based on two factors. Okay.
10:21 Size of channel. Size of channel.
10:24 And average history with subscriptions.
10:27 So like if you're... If you have a low history and then you're starting to...
10:31 It'll okay. We have 662,839 followers currently.
10:36 But 102 subscribers. Yeah, so us getting to a level seven hype train is going to be much easier than Kaesnat
10:45 number one Twitch streamer to get to a level eight hype train because we don't normally
10:49 achieve that. Yeah, we only need eight subs.
10:52 Like I know some channels where to get to a level eight, it's like, hey, it'll be 25
10:57 subs this time. Right. Right.
11:00 Got it. So. That makes sense.
11:05 I do love how historically when something goes wrong with one of my departments we get
11:09 rewarded as a company. Well, this is just to fund the development time to fix the Floatplane chat, right?
11:15 It's the hype train. It's 2.30 in the morning for them.
11:18 I don't think it's going to happen. Oh my God.
11:22 I was gone for five minutes because I assumed by then you guys would have gotten bored of
11:26 this and stopped. Now we're at a level eight. Every time a level goes up resets the timer to five minutes, baby.
11:31 I feel like just for the meme that I want to embrace it and just start screaming like
11:35 hype train. No. All throughout the show.
11:38 No. What if it doesn't stop the whole show? Can we add a topic?
11:41 I'm changing the subject. Can we add a topic? The bell has been co-opted to Twitch now.
11:49 You guys know that we're going to launch every week just about.
11:55 We launch LTT Store products.
11:59 Elijah, this is Poggers AF, whatever that means.
12:02 If you must spend money, you can get real actual, what the fuck is wrong with you?
12:09 Luke is hitting the gritty so hard right now.
12:12 Guys, thank you so much. We can finally buy another multi-million dollar warehouse.
12:17 Let's go. If we can get to level 10, you're getting that under feet camp.
12:21 Feet camp. Feet camp. Feet camp.
12:24 This is very, just Dan being the shelf or hype train is so funny to me.
12:31 I learned from a zyge. Dan with the average. Don't say that.
12:34 Don't. Don't say that.
12:37 This is actually like I said, I can tell.
12:42 Learn from a luxury.
12:45 Listen, as someone of a hype train expert, I just want to say I'm helping the company
12:50 make money today, boys. Your thing stopped going. I don't know if you wanted that to happen or not.
12:55 Oh, you guys should actually like stop.
12:58 I think we're level 10 now, baby. Oh my God.
13:02 Yeah, level nine complete.
13:06 Dan, do you want to somehow indicate on the flow plane and the chat isn't going to be
13:10 working this week? Going to have brackets in the back of the title or something.
13:15 I think title would probably be the best way to do it.
13:19 Yeah. Unfortunate.
13:23 Pitch is truly a reputable platform.
13:30 One of the video platforms of all time. Well regarded.
13:33 Yeah. Which is the best?
13:40 Oh my God. 95% they like you a level 11 amount.
13:46 The level that which loves you is measurable and it's 11.
13:51 How does that make you feel? It might go up. It historically has been going up.
13:56 Number go up.
13:59 I'm going to be honest with you. The amount that they love you is almost a level 12.
14:03 It's quantifiable. I don't know what it's out of.
14:06 I do not actually understand what hype train is. See, we, yeah, we had an educational lesson.
14:10 I can do another explanation. I don't care. Okay.
14:13 I'm actually happier not knowing. I know that it involves throwing money away.
14:17 No. It involves supporting creator.
14:20 No, it involves throwing money away. And yachts?
14:23 Valve? What a great segue.
14:27 That's pretty good. That is pretty good.
14:32 What I know is that the people who have large enough channels to get momentum on something
14:39 like this are probably the people who need it least.
14:42 Apparently it's no, it's scales based on your size channel. So you guys actually can get a hype train easier than someone.
14:48 Yeah. Then someone else on like Twitch.
14:53 Because you only need like three subs a level.
14:56 I do hope everyone subscribing understands that full plane chat is going to work next week.
15:00 So. I mean, this is also their way they get ad free on Twitch.
15:04 Like it does. For a day? Well, no.
15:07 Well, for the whole month. It works for the, yeah. A subs, they get ad free on your channel for a whole month when you subscribe to a channel.
15:15 Right. So for the next four weeks on Wancho, there'll be no ads for Twitch.
15:20 Sure. Every one of these people could have subscribed on Floatplane.
15:23 Yeah. Yeah, for roughly the same price.
15:27 Twitch Prime, a lot of them seem to be Amazon Prime.
15:30 That's true. If you use Prime, they couldn't. There's a lot of Prime.
15:33 Yeah. Because Primes are just whatever they're free. Prime.
15:36 There's a Prime. Yeah. Well, quote free.
15:43 Diversified revenue streams.
15:46 Synchronized. I'm single-handedly making this on a percentile tonight.
15:50 There's almost a double to our subscriber count.
15:54 We only had a hundred. This is why we don't pay attention to them.
15:58 We're like top 1% streamers with nearly 700,000 followers.
16:04 That is actually a mind-bogglingly terrible follower to subscriber ratio.
16:08 It's probably one of the worst. The amount of money that we've got.
16:12 That's actually terrible. There's about 13.
16:15 Okay, we've got to stop incurring. This is going to happen the whole show.
16:19 No, it isn't. No, it isn't. No, it isn't.
16:22 Okay. Stopping immediately. Okay.
16:25 I'll let you guys do it. All right. Let's go ahead and start the show.
16:28 Shall we? Oh, I changed colors. It's purple now.
16:31 Wow. You should donate more money to LTDstore.com instead of this.
16:34 It probably means you're getting close. Please. It means you're probably getting close to your previous record.
16:38 They're all just Prime subs. Yeah. You're about to beat your previous record hype train, which is why it's like a loading
16:44 bar now. Why did we ever have a hype train before?
16:47 Because it just happens naturally.
16:51 If it's a Prime sub, I mean, why not?
16:55 If it's not a Prime sub, why?
16:58 I wonder if this is the most subs we've ever had.
17:03 No, I think that we used to pay attention to Twitch.
17:06 Yeah. It used to be like our main, it was our main platform for years.
17:11 Yeah, they were our YouTube MCN.
17:14 Yeah. That was why, dude.
17:17 What? Twitch was our YouTube MCN.
17:21 I didn't even know that was like a thing back in the day. It basically wasn't.
17:24 Pretty much wasn't. Oh, wow. Okay.
17:27 Cool. Yeah. It was wild.
17:30 We had, as far as I'm aware, the very first Twitch multi-stream agreement.
17:35 Like multi-platform streaming carve out. When was that?
17:38 Like 2013? Thousand years ago. Yeah.
17:41 Okay. Probably then. Not 13, but not a long time after that.
17:44 Okay. Yeah.
17:48 Yeah. Super weird. I think we were the first with explicit permission to stream non-gaming content to the platform, too.
17:55 I remember that. I remember you guys talking about that. Yeah.
17:58 That's pretty cool. Co-figure. Who would have known you guys were the one that started the downfall of what Twitch is?
18:04 Yeah, I know, right? We were one step away from like hot tubs and titties.
18:10 To be fair, that is basically off the platform. Did you know my personal channel?
18:14 I got a special carve out during that, too.
18:17 Really? Yeah. Because of this show, I didn't actually really register how much not just playing games on
18:26 Twitch was a problem. So I would just do other stuff all the time.
18:30 It's like I worked on a car once. I would 3D, the worst, I got emailed about this and they're like, you're good.
18:36 But I just want to let you know that this isn't supposed to be good.
18:41 It was a message from that guy that I knew at the time.
18:44 Yeah, the one with the giant dong. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
18:47 Yeah, yeah. Because I would do 3D printing streams where I just have like a camera in the corner looking
18:52 at the print for 24 hours.
18:56 No host, no one there. Yeah, a lot of those aren't allowed.
19:00 So what became, I guess, like sleeping streams, question mark?
19:03 Yeah, but sleeping streams are allowed because there's a person on content.
19:07 It's weird. I don't think you can do just idle 3D printing streams anymore.
19:11 Yeah, I did that for a long time. That's crazy.
19:14 Yeah.
19:19 One sec, I'm just logging into the thing.
19:23 You guys ready to resume the selected?
19:27 I guess. Did you update the title, Dan?
19:30 Cool. If you're watching right now and have not refreshed your page and thus do not have
19:35 the updated title. If your chat is broken on Flow Plane, sorry.
19:39 There's not a realistic way it's going to be fixed for this week.
19:42 So, so far we are monitoring Twitch chat until they lose their privileges.
19:46 Yeah. Which is very, very, very likely to happen.
19:52 God, what's our fallback going to be?
19:55 What do you mean from Twitch? YouTube. Oh, how quickly are they going to lose their chat privileges?
20:01 Facebook. Facebook? Okay, Facebook.
20:04 That'll be our fallback.
20:07 Bring back mixer. We could go back to Periscope.
20:10 We could stream a fake AI stream to Facebook and they'd probably be like,
20:14 yay. Why didn't they use ours?
20:18 Yeah. Someone said we needed to be more slow.
20:25 Well, you could be lengthened influencers after you find.
20:28 Talk about it already. Okay. All right, we're doing this thing?
20:31 Yep. Okay, I'm resuming the selected now.
20:36 Okay.
21:06 What is up, L's and G's?
21:09 Welcome to the WAN Show. We've got, oh my God.
21:12 Such a good show. Yeah, it's actually true. Actually such a good show.
21:16 God! I have so much stuff that I'm excited to talk to you guys about.
21:21 Yes. The two big ones are, of course.
21:24 Valve opened the spigot, which is a type of Valve.
21:28 Yeah. And unleashed upon the world with a truly earth-shattering
21:37 bit of news for poor Mr. Luke Lafrenier,
21:41 who just bought a VR headset that is not the Steam Frame.
21:46 We'll talk about that. Also, the Steam Machine, the Steam Controller,
21:51 which we need to talk about the name of.
21:55 Okay, we need to talk about the name of the Steam Controller.
21:58 In other news, Linus was here.
22:02 Holy actual shit. And, and Luke got fucked over on that too.
22:08 So hard. Literally. Actually.
22:11 On Luke Lafrenier's birthday. Yeah.
22:14 Linus came to our studio and Luke couldn't be here for it.
22:18 And there was a way for it to have been avoided.
22:21 I don't know anything about that. And it was not.
22:24 It was not your fault. I don't know anything about that. I wasn't looking at you.
22:27 I don't know anything about that. I'm just saying. I don't know about it.
22:30 We'll talk about it. We'll talk about it.
22:33 Microsoft. Wait, wait, wait. Hold on.
22:36 It's the shopping season. And so I'm just going to, I'm going to jump out ahead of
22:41 things a little bit. All right. We'll get you more topics.
22:44 But first, lttstore.com, major focus for us this week.
22:48 We've got our Buy More, Save More combo going right now.
22:52 If you buy it, the more apparel you buy, the more discount you get up to 25% off.
22:57 We have a holiday loot drop going on right now,
23:01 where if you spend $100 or more, you can win a pair of Sennheiser HD.
23:05 Does that, that says 550. I thought it was 560S, whatever.
23:08 A pair of Sennheiser headphones, or if you're really lucky,
23:11 an ASUS ROG Xbox Ally X. And, hey, we've got new products.
23:19 I really like this one. Including the RGB sweater.
23:22 Oh my God. We're going to need a closer look at this. There you go.
23:25 You can see the little flex of RGB. It's 100% cotton knit with tiny, multi-nep yarn flex.
23:30 Clean, polished look. Great for the office. While the colorful specs keep it fun for holiday hangouts.
23:35 And we have, yes, that's right. We finally have beanies again.
23:39 RGB beanies in black and gray in both regular and Linus lengths.
23:44 There you go. See? So if you have a deeper head or if you have a shallower head,
23:48 we got you. Warm, cozy, and ties right in with the rest of the RGB lineup.
23:52 LMG.GG slash RGB. Okay, Luke, you got a couple topics.
23:56 I do. First off, Taryn wore that RGB sweater to an event
24:00 that we both went to. And I thought it looked really sharp
24:03 and didn't actually realize it was ours until, like,
24:07 a day or two ago. Anyways, Microsoft exec says Windows is evolving
24:11 into an agentic operating system.
24:14 You picked that? And gets cooked in the replay.
24:17 No, the reason why I want to talk about this is because
24:21 Windows is getting disunct right now.
24:24 That's what all of the intro topics are about.
24:27 It's Valve doing Linux stuff and Linux guy.
24:30 You can't call him Linux guy. That is why he didn't want to meet you.
24:34 Oh, wow.
24:37 Speaking of not wanting to meet or something.
24:40 I don't know. Another company that can't stop digging is Ubisoft.
24:45 If I can find the topic about it. They have delayed their half-year earnings report
24:49 and requested halted trading until its release,
24:53 which is generally a bad sign.
25:01 Oh, man. The Linux guy.
25:07 You can't hang in there.
25:10 How dare you?
25:15 The show is brought to you today by Vessi.
25:19 Oh, dude. Corsair and Odd Pieces.
25:22 Alongside, of course, our RAP partner, D-Brand, our laptop partner,
25:25 Della and our chair partner. Don't you dare. Secret.
25:30 It's upside down, right? Nice.
25:33 What do we want to do for? I mean, it's got to be Valve.
25:37 It's got to be Valve. Dude, this guy was like dying
25:42 because I saw him the day after the Valve event
25:46 because we were both attending a thing that was farther down the West Coast.
25:50 But for the first 10 hours,
25:54 we were in mixed company. And I knew where he was.
25:59 And I knew the potential level of importance of that.
26:03 But we didn't even have a private moment
26:06 for me to tell him what was launched. Basically, all I was able to tell him was
26:10 things we expected, also something we didn't expect.
26:14 Yeah, which got me most of the way there, but not the whole way there.
26:17 Yeah. So when we were finally able to sit down at dinner
26:22 and I was able to talk him through it, he's like,
26:25 dude, this was the hardware launch of...
26:34 I feel like this was our Apple Vision Pro.
26:37 No, Apple Vision Pro was like the normie people's like,
26:40 whoa, interesting. This is our, whoa, interesting.
26:43 Yeah, in the VR space. But I would actually go back even farther than that.
26:47 This for your IT, computer, gamer,
26:52 someone who watches the WAN Show, that demographic right there.
26:56 Sure. This is the most exciting launch since what?
27:00 Maybe 30 series? RTX 30 series?
27:03 And when I say 30 series, I'm not talking the bullshit like pricing that happened
27:08 afterward with the COVID, silicon, all that stuff.
27:12 I'm talking like when it launched. You probably remember where you were when you found out
27:17 that the RTX 3080 was like 500 bucks or 600 bucks or whatever.
27:21 And it was like the performance was huge over the
27:24 uninspiring 20 series. Too bad, not real.
27:29 Yeah. But we're talking, we're talking the initial news, right?
27:32 Yeah. The initial news. Like can you, what else?
27:36 What else would qualify here? Steam Deck was hype.
27:39 That was four years ago now. Like it's been a desert dude.
27:43 To me, this is more interesting than the initial
27:46 Steam Deck announcement. And that might even sound a little bit surprising.
27:50 But my reason for that is that this actually came with
27:53 Steam Deck news kind of as a sidebar thing.
27:56 And this to me, you know, we got the indication that this
27:59 might have been a plan back when they first talked about
28:02 Steam Machines forever ago. But this really shows that they're embracing like Valve
28:07 hardware as an ecosystem, which is really cool.
28:11 Very exciting. It's also super exciting that Steam Machine is coming
28:14 Linux based with Steam OS.
28:17 And it's just like the normalization of people using
28:20 Linux all the time for things was already pretty big with
28:24 the Steam Deck. But now it also being a Steam Machine for people that just
28:28 want a console like experience because a bunch of people aren't going to care about handhelds.
28:31 And that's cool. And a bunch of handheld people won't care about a console
28:34 experience. And that's cool too. And that's also cool.
28:37 So now that we have both, it's just awesome. It's very exciting. Why don't we run through the news for anyone that the
28:42 handful of you that might have missed those somewhat
28:45 large events this week. On a random Wednesday, Valve announced the Steam
28:51 Machine, the Steam Frame and the Steam Controller.
28:55 Let's start with the frame. This is their new standalone VR headset that's powered by
29:00 a 4nm Snapdragon ARM CPU. It has 16 gigs of unified memory, Wi-Fi 7 2x2.
29:06 And this is dual Wi-Fi 5 gigahertz and 6 gigahertz for
29:10 streaming the VR video feed and for normal Wi-Fi.
29:13 So you can like download games and stuff. Now hold on a second.
29:16 I don't actually know that it is dual 6 gigahertz. That is in my notes.
29:19 I don't remember them telling me that, but the way that
29:22 they held the briefing made it not just possible, but
29:31 likely for some media outlets to get information that
29:35 either through just forgetfulness or not asking all the
29:40 right probing questions others might not have.
29:43 So yeah.
29:46 Anyway, that may be true. It's in my notes. I don't remember them telling me that.
29:50 Up to a terabyte of storage on board.
29:53 The displays are 2160 by 2160 LCDs and range from 72 to 120
29:58 hertz refresh rate with an experimental mode of 144 hertz
30:02 just like the index. But in spite of it having onboard compute, you know, like a
30:08 like a quest for instance from meta, it's so light.
30:14 It's so wearable. It's so well balanced with the battery with the battery pack
30:20 at the back. It's nice and tight to the face.
30:23 Thanks to its pancake lenses. That's actually valves justification for using LCDs so
30:29 that they can juice the brightness of the displays enough
30:32 to overcome the losses from the pancake lenses.
30:35 I'm I've only used it for a few minutes at this point because
30:40 I was really busy like writing videos and shooting them and stuff while I was in there.
30:43 So I'm going to really need to compare them side by side.
30:46 But if I had to guess because yeah.
30:50 So dual radios enable concurrent five gigahertz Wi-Fi and
30:54 six gigahertz VR streaming. That's what I understood. Not what I said from my notes.
30:58 Thank you for looking that up. No problem.
31:01 What was I talking about just now? Something right LCDs.
31:05 So I need to try it. I need to try this side by side with the big screen beyond
31:08 two because that's got OLEDs, but it also has a tether.
31:13 So a big part of what Valve is trying to do here is maintain
31:17 power efficiency for this bloody thing, right?
31:20 So I've seen a lot of people push back on Valve's justification
31:25 for using LCD saying, well, other VR headsets use pancake
31:30 lenses and OLED displays. And it's like, right, but how much power budget are they using
31:34 to juice these OLED displays? It's also a cost factor to overcome it.
31:38 There's a cost factor too. And that was a major concern that I had for the frame because
31:44 as soon as I hear it's got a computer on it, I go, great, a
31:49 computer I don't care about that now I have to buy.
31:53 But man, is this thing ever cool? I might actually care about the computer.
31:57 And that is because of the effects compatibility layer that
32:01 Valve has been contributing to in order to speed up the
32:05 development. And that effects allows you to run x86 games on the local
32:11 ARM CPU, which is also running SteamOS.
32:14 These guys have been absolutely cooking over there.
32:19 Of course, the most mind blowing part to me was when I heard
32:25 about foveated streaming.
32:28 So a big concern for me as soon as I heard that project
32:31 Deckard was going to be a standalone VR headset.
32:34 I was like, fuck, because Valve was the only one that was left
32:38 that was doing outside in proper freaking tracking that is
32:44 accurate and just fuck, right?
32:50 With a tether and high visual fidelity, everything else.
32:54 Apple Vision Pro was going to using wireless streaming and the
32:58 Quest. You can use a wire. It's flaky.
33:01 You can stream wirelessly. But it's imperfect at best.
33:05 And so as soon as I found out it was standalone, I was like,
33:08 great. There goes the ecosystem for us people who care about accuracy
33:15 and well, yeah, accuracy low latency.
33:19 I originally fully agreed with you and had the exact same
33:22 reaction when I heard about Deckard. But these days with big screen, I'm less concerned because I
33:27 feel like they can be the champions of that. Well, we'll get to that.
33:30 Maybe not. But when Valve did the demo showing me their wireless streaming
33:39 with foveated streaming. So if you didn't watch the video, what it basically means is
33:45 that they are dynamically adjusting their use of the bit
33:51 rate that you have. Because your connection, your link speed is only whatever it
33:56 is, right? And so by focusing their use of their limited bit rate that
34:03 they have, because it's not a wired HDMI or DisplayPort
34:06 connection on the areas that your eyes are actually looking
34:11 at, actually focused on, they achieve a level of fidelity
34:14 that admittedly I wasn't looking at it side by side, but
34:18 that I could not discern from a wired connection.
34:23 And I couldn't see the, like I couldn't move my eyes fast
34:29 enough. We used a shot in the video of me looking around like this,
34:34 which is not how you would try to beat it, like you would try
34:39 to flick your eyes. The time it takes for my eyes to move to a new spot and
34:44 refocus is slower than the time it takes for them to track my
34:48 pupils and reallocate their streaming bit rate budget and
34:52 have that be the highest fidelity part of the scene.
34:55 I couldn't see it, Luke. Crazy.
34:58 We'll see. The proof's going to be in the longer term use.
35:01 I was only able to play Half-Life Alyx, which admittedly I
35:04 didn't enjoy that much. I didn't really get through it. I didn't mention that to them.
35:08 The other big one that I was concerned about as someone who
35:12 has enjoyed full body tracking in the past was Beat Saber.
35:18 So I've streamed Beat Saber with ankle and waist trackers in
35:22 addition to my hand and head trackers. And I was really concerned about both the ability to move
35:28 my hands fast enough without losing tracking, using
35:31 camera-based tracking. So far, it looks like they have invested heavily enough in
35:37 the onboard processing on the controllers, as well as in
35:41 quality, quality inside out tracking cameras.
35:44 And the positioning is such that you can get pretty far back
35:47 before you actually lose tracking that it looks like that won't be an issue.
35:50 As for whether you can use base stations with your older
35:53 tracker devices, I've seen quite a few people ask about that.
35:57 I don't know yet, but that is going to be one of the first things that I'm going to try once I have a frame in hand.
36:04 So like, this thing is wild. It's so, it's the versatility.
36:08 The fact that I can get as far as I can tell, I wouldn't say
36:13 zero compromises because it isn't an OLED.
36:16 But a low compromise PC VR experience now with no tether.
36:23 Wow. The fact that I can run games locally on this thing, right?
36:30 Lighter games, obviously. VR titles and play those is wow.
36:35 And then the fact that I can play everything from like,
36:39 literal like PC games to media on just a giant screen like I
36:45 might do with something like an Apple vision pro is triple.
36:50 Wow. Like it's, it's, it's awesome.
36:53 And literally every criticism that I've seen of it so far, I
36:57 either fully understand why Valve made the choice that they
37:01 did and I can, and I can, I can, I can agree with their
37:06 justification, even if I might have done it differently.
37:09 Or I think the criticism is just frankly stupid.
37:13 Um, like man, I don't understand how in the year,
37:18 and I'm about to offend some people, I think, but I don't
37:21 understand how in the year 2025, you can somehow not be aware
37:25 of nickel metal hydride AA cells.
37:28 Oh, I can definitely imagine how.
37:33 How? How would most people outside of this, this group that's
37:40 watching this or other similar content have ran into that?
37:43 Because disposable batteries are so f***ing expensive.
37:48 You'd think they'd look for an alternative. I don't think a lot of people run into disposable batteries in
37:54 their day to day. Dude, you've been to a Costco lately?
37:58 You see how big the pallets of disposable batteries are? People are buying the crap out of these things and all they had
38:03 to do is go buy like eight N loops and a charger and then never
38:07 buy one again. Grabbing the ones at Costco or grabbing the pack from like Ikea
38:13 and just not thinking about it ever because they throw it in
38:16 their TV remote and then it lasts for like two years or longer.
38:19 But double A is going all kinds of things.
38:25 Kids toys, Xbox controllers, adult toys.
38:30 Yeah, exactly.
38:35 Maybe people just aren't being super economical about their adult toys.
38:38 Use them less. Dude, it's wild to me.
38:42 Like you can, yeah. Okay. So one person here says, yeah, the disposables last longer in
38:46 the device. Like my God, who cares?
38:49 Yes, it's a little bit longer. But literally if you factor in the time to walk down the aisle
38:55 and go get the stupid batteries you've already accounted for,
38:58 the extra time that you'll use changing the batteries slightly
39:01 more often, like it really is not that big of a deal, especially
39:05 in low usage devices.
39:08 But they're so expensive. Buy one.
39:11 Dude, I have enolubes in my house that I've had for 10 years.
39:14 Oh yeah. That have been through probably 50 recharge cycles.
39:19 They still work. Like can people just not throw literally throw away money?
39:25 Like this is for your own good.
39:28 Go buy some nickel metal hydride batteries.
39:32 What? Why is this funny?
39:36 It's just that whole sentence. Go buy some nickel batteries.
39:40 It's just such a funny sentence. We don't even offer them.
39:43 Not for months. Just buy it from someone. This is really funny.
39:46 I'm sorry. Fluff.
39:49 I don't disagree with you. Twitch is going to lose their chat privileges pretty quickly.
39:53 DRSL will never sponsor us again. I don't even disagree with you.
39:56 Linus, do you know what's expensive rechargeable batteries? Yeah, one time.
40:00 One time. Buy ones, cry ones.
40:03 Yes. You can recharge it like 50 times.
40:07 100 times. Do they cost 50 times as much?
40:11 I'll let you do that. Actually, no, I'm not going to let you do the math because you're a f***ing idiot.
40:16 No, they don't cost 50 times as much.
40:20 Go buy rechargeable batteries. You can thank me later.
40:24 We're losing all our time.
40:28 That's so mad.
40:31 First time. Dying here.
40:34 I mean, I generally pretty much agree with all of that. The only thing I don't agree with is like how do people not realize it?
40:39 It's like, I mean, it's pretty obvious.
40:43 Consumers, man. At the stores they're shopping at, in a lot of cases, they're just not there.
40:49 Linus just forgets that he's the smartest person in the room at all times.
40:52 He's just so overwhelmingly intelligent. That's the problem.
40:55 I'm not that smart.
40:58 I hate being the smartest person in a room. There's a really hard time buying helmets.
41:02 Have you tried huffing paint more often? Sounds like a good hobby for someone like you.
41:07 Good Friday night. I know what I'm doing after the show to deal with Twitch chat.
41:12 I'm dying. Now, to be clear, to be clear, to be clear, there are situations where an alkaline makes more sense.
41:20 So, like, I keep alkalines in my house as well.
41:23 So, for instance...
41:26 For instance...
41:30 Oh, my God, this is going all over Reddit. Low-end kids toys.
41:34 I will tip... Can I talk?
41:38 I feel like you. Can I just talk without being interrupted?
41:43 I'm not even saying anything!
41:46 Your judgment speaks very loudly.
41:50 I can't believe you would give a horrible experience to your children.
41:54 Ruin the next generation. So, for low-end kids toys, where I think it's very likely that we're going to end up donating it
42:01 before we even run through an entire battery cycle,
42:04 I don't want to risk losing my expensive rechargeable batteries.
42:07 So, there are situations where I'll throw an alkaline into something,
42:11 because I'm just like, yeah, this is very likely to be lost.
42:15 Because, like, for certain toys, it literally will double the value of that thing
42:20 and put a couple rechargeable batteries in it. Like, I'd not forget to throw alkalines in there.
42:25 And there are devices, particularly super high-draw ones,
42:29 that actually don't run properly on rechargeables.
42:32 There are devices that don't respond well to the lower voltage range of rechargeable batteries.
42:39 Sorry, not you.
42:43 You're going to lose your chat privileges. You're going to lose your chat privileges.
42:48 You're going to lose your chat privileges, all of you.
42:51 I have to moderate. I have to read them.
42:56 Now, you're stuck with them, too. This is what it's like every Friday.
43:00 So, the cards are really funny. There's also a lot of names from Flo-Plain that are hanging out.
43:04 Yeah. Sorry about the chat. I reduced slow mode as well, just to make it worse on everyone.
43:09 Okay, look. The point is...
43:12 Oh, Flo-Plain China is back. That one of the biggest criticisms...
43:15 By Twitch. I'm coming back on topic here.
43:18 One of the... Twitch is back. Oh, cool.
43:21 You know what? Twitch chat hasn't lost their privileges yet.
43:25 They can keep it from now.
43:28 The problem is... Sorry, the biggest complaint that I've seen about the frame
43:32 is the AA battery in the controllers.
43:35 And that was pretty wild to me, especially as someone who has Knuckles controllers and an index
43:41 and has experienced forgetting to charge the integrated lithium battery
43:45 and then had to charge for 10 minutes, play for 15 minutes,
43:49 charge for 10 minutes, play for 15 minutes. That is not a better experience than just having a little quad-cell charger
43:56 somewhere near your VR headset, and then just popping your dead battery into it,
44:01 grabbing a freshly charged one, popping it into the controller, and then being ready to go for another full charge cycle.
44:06 It is actually objectively faster to get back up and running,
44:13 and the weight of a AA cell, yeah, I can see people not being that into it,
44:18 because they have to have a big metal housing around them
44:21 compared to just a pack-style lithium battery...
44:27 Excuse me, pouch-style was the word I was looking for.
44:30 Yeah, I don't love having the extra weight, but for the convenience of being able to quickly swap a battery,
44:35 I think it is well worth it, and it is...
44:38 I mean, let's face it, this thing is not going to be cheap.
44:41 Is there a price out there? No.
44:44 Is there a price out there on any of this? No. But Valve did...
44:48 Make some nudges, some indications? Yeah, they did indicate sort of what they were targeting,
44:55 and I think the goal was for it to be not more expensive than index.
45:00 So the headset itself is loaded up to the gills with expensive tech,
45:06 but you don't need base stations, so that helps, I guess,
45:10 and then we'll see where the chips fall in terms of pricing,
45:13 but I wouldn't be surprised to see $9.99.
45:16 I wouldn't be surprised to see the same price as an index.
45:20 Or rather... Shoot, what's the index?
45:23 What's the index go for in the States? Index price in USD.
45:27 Oh, shoot. Yeah, you have to say valve index,
45:30 otherwise you just end up with all kinds of other things. $9.99.
45:33 $9.99, okay. For the kit. I did get that right.
45:36 Okay. But I mean, essentially... Just the headset is $6.59?
45:39 But you're not going to be able to buy this without the kit, so...
45:42 The headset and controllers is... Oh, wait, what?
45:48 Oh! What's up? If you want the whole thing,
45:52 so headset controllers, base stations, all that,
45:56 it's $13.19. Oh, Canadian.
45:59 Yeah, Canadian. So that's a grand. Yeah.
46:02 Okay. All right.
46:05 What are we even... Oh, yeah. Wow, we're still talking about the valve announcements.
46:09 Sure are. Yeah, Elijah's never going home. He's actually here to talk about the other big news from this week.
46:14 Sure is. Linus X, Linus.
46:19 But I mean, we can't move on from the frame without talking about
46:22 how much buyer's remorse you must be feeling right now.
46:25 I don't know. So he just... I don't know.
46:28 Like two months ago, bought a big screen beyond two.
46:31 Well, I bought it before then. I just received it somewhere around there.
46:34 Have you fired it up yet? No, I still don't have a functional dwelling.
46:39 So by the time you actually get to use your big screen beyond two...
46:43 It might be halfway through 2026.
46:46 We'll see. The frame... What?
46:49 I'm kidding. Oh, okay. The frame could literally be like imminently available.
46:54 Oh, yeah. How do you feel about that, sir?
46:57 I don't know. That is such a...
47:00 This is a podcast. The big screen beyond is still really cool.
47:03 You can't just say, I don't know. The big screen beyond is still really cool.
47:06 I don't know how much regret I'm going to feel.
47:09 I feel like I actually might end up with both of them, which might sound insane.
47:14 Oh, I was about to make a joke about how the regret could be kind of
47:18 tugging on you a little bit.
47:21 Because honestly, I think that's the biggest downside.
47:24 There are still advantages to the beyond two.
47:28 OLED displays. Yes. It is smaller and lighter.
47:32 Better light seal because it's bespoke.
47:35 The light seal is incredible. Literally perfect.
47:38 Yeah. Literally perfect. Very comfortable as well.
47:43 Yeah, I don't know if it's as good as the frame.
47:46 Yeah, tough. It depends on how long you're wearing it.
47:49 Have you actually worn it for doing anything physical?
47:52 No. So the beyond because it has a rubbery type of material, like a silicone...
47:57 It's still literally here. It's in a box on my desk.
48:01 I'm so sorry. Because it uses that material, you end up with what I call swamp eye a little bit.
48:06 Because it's not breathable. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
48:09 Whereas the deck uses a more breathable style material and it has gaps.
48:14 You can kind of look down and see where you're going with the deck.
48:19 Not that you should. You should just use the pass-through cameras, obviously.
48:22 Yeah. But you can't. With a hot take, black and white, totally fine.
48:26 Oh, I don't even care. Who cares? Dude, oh man, I had someone come at me in the comments because I criticized it for not being
48:34 able to walk around with the camera pass-through. I was like, bro, I'm joking.
48:39 Yeah. I was taking a shot at Apple Vision Pro people who were walking around with their stupid
48:44 headsets on for the first couple of weeks. Oh, your comment like...
48:47 Yeah. I was like, oh yeah, I don't know. I don't even know if it was a couple of weeks.
48:50 Yeah, a week. It was the first few days when that stopped pretty quick.
48:54 Yeah. Yeah, I don't really care about the black and white cameras.
48:58 This, to me, feels like I have a seated or near computer experience, which is like really
49:07 dialed, but might take some setup time, move things out of the way, do stuff like that,
49:16 and then really settle into this nice dialed, tethered experience.
49:20 Then the frame, the frame's interesting for a bunch of reasons to me.
49:25 I almost want a travel box for it.
49:28 I would use the crap out of the frame on the road.
49:31 Yeah. Being able to play some Beat Saber.
49:34 Oh yeah. Anywhere. Because I actually...
49:37 On the plane. I'm looking forward to trying this so much.
49:42 I have a Strix Halo laptop. Yeah.
49:45 Oh yeah. Is this enough for me to load up all my mods?
49:50 Probably. Play VR games? Probably.
49:53 I mean, it's got a USB port, so theoretically I've got my six gigahertz wireless.
50:00 Dude, the frame packs... I didn't actually talk about that in the...
50:03 I should start adding some stuff from my notes for the stuff to talk about for the full review,
50:08 but I didn't actually really talk about how tightly it packs up.
50:15 Yeah. That's something I was genuinely wondering about, because the ability to be portable with
50:21 this thing is actually very interesting to me.
50:24 I'm excited about this in regards to...
50:27 I don't know, people are going to be like, oh, you've been able to do this the whole time
50:31 with the Quest 3. I didn't love the Quest 3 experience.
50:34 Don't love who the Quest 3 comes from. I think that's the...
50:37 The second one is the bigger one for me, because apparently the software's gotten a lot better
50:41 since we reviewed it. Sure it has. They've like...
50:44 Apparently. I'm just going based on comments on the frame video, but apparently it's improved a shocking
50:51 amount for software updates.
50:54 It might be worth me checking it out again as part of this.
50:58 Actually, I'm going to add that.
51:03 Cool. Now that's on there.
51:06 Cool. Yeah. I don't know.
51:09 I think my... I feel like this is it.
51:12 I don't feel like there's another experience that is going to be this good.
51:16 I might not feel as strong as it did in the past, but I think they're going to be different.
51:23 I think they're going to be quite different. I don't necessarily think I'm actually going to have the much regret right now, having never
51:30 actually tried the one that I bought and clearly never tried the one that's coming.
51:34 But that's my hunch right now.
51:38 Yeah. You want to talk Steam Machine? Are you done with Frame?
51:41 I think we can talk Steam Machine. Yeah.
51:45 I'm the wireless streaming dude.
51:49 It blew me away. I get to have PC VR wirelessly.
51:54 Wow. Oh no, there was the last thing.
51:57 What's going to happen to the ecosystem?
52:00 Could big screen carry on manufacturing base stations, for instance?
52:05 At this time, Valve does not appear to have any partnerships in place for anyone to continue
52:10 to produce base stations or knuckles controllers.
52:13 I did say they were open to it. With that said, I have direct contact information for multiple people at Valve.
52:22 They are not always the easiest to work with.
52:27 So just because they're open to it does not necessarily mean that anything will happen.
52:32 I'm not going to have my hopes up until I see concrete action on it.
52:38 It's not a shot. It's not a shot at them.
52:41 That you got to understand, Valve is a very small company.
52:46 I mean, head count-wise is actually somewhat true.
52:49 Yes. Which I only mentioned because that excuse was made for some stuff.
52:56 I was like, okay. Sure.
52:59 Sure. To be clear, I'm very grateful that they were able to bring us out to check out the new hardware.
53:08 I'm very excited about the new hardware and I am extremely excited to learn more as I
53:16 get to explore it. I'm hoping that we're going to have access prior to the actual launch date so that when launch
53:24 day comes, we can bring you guys really detailed, okay, but no, answering all the questions,
53:31 like thick reviews of all of this stuff.
53:34 Because it's basically game-changing across the board, which I guess brings us perfectly
53:38 to the Steam Machine. It's a new mini PC that's boasting roughly six times the performance of the Steam Deck
53:44 powered by an AMD 6-core Zen 4 CPU, a GPU that is a semi-custom design, but as far as
53:52 I can tell, this pretty much comes down more to power profile tuning and firmware and drivers,
54:00 right? The actual silicon appears to be more customized in the sense that AMD is going, okay, so you
54:09 want to fuse off this and not that and tune your power profile.
54:15 It's not brand new silicon. 16 gigs of Sodium DDR5 memory, 8 gigs of GDDR6 VRAM, and either 512 gig or 2 terabyte SSDs,
54:27 but the SSD is upgradable to a 2280, so you could throw up to an 8 terabyte drive with
54:33 current NAND densities.
54:36 The big deal is, of course, that it runs SteamOS.
54:40 Yeah. Linux out of the box and comes with the new Steam Controller.
54:45 It uses TMR analog sticks, has an Xbox-style layout with a PlayStation analog stick layout
54:51 to make room for the two haptic track pads on the bottom, similar to the Steam Deck.
54:56 How did it feel to hold? It looks a little wild.
54:59 In my smaller hands, I would say not the most ergonomic controller I've ever held.
55:05 It did give me, obviously, not the same, but it did give me like Duke vibes a little bit.
55:10 Not quite. Yeah, okay. It's, she's not so thick like the Duke.
55:16 But like tall? She's, she's just, she's just, you know, she's girthy, but not thick, you know?
55:23 Like she's, like she's, she's wide, you know?
55:27 Oh, this way. You know, she's just, well, no, she's just, she's ample.
55:32 Okay. I'd say she's ample.
55:35 Was that not a characteristic of the Duke? Yeah, but, you know, well, the Duke was fat.
55:40 Okay. The Steam Controller's ample.
55:43 Okay. Yeah. Sure.
55:46 Yeah. Sure. I don't mean like pH fat.
55:49 The Duke was FAT. I think I'm just going to wait till I try it myself.
55:52 When I was looking at it, I thought that's probably going to be fine for me to be honest.
55:56 I'm actually pretty excited about it. Yeah.
55:59 I thought the original Steam Controller was really cool. This one seems more versatile, which is neat, although to be completely honest, if you can
56:06 afford it, I feel like the, the play is going to be to have a normal controller and then
56:12 just maybe also your Steam Controller. Yeah.
56:15 Because the touch pads on Steam Controller will be nice sometimes. Yeah.
56:18 And super cool. Yeah. And they are going to just daily the crap out of the touch pads.
56:24 Which is great. Yeah. Obviously there will be certain games that will play a lot better that way.
56:28 Particularly for old dogs that don't want to learn new tricks, a more traditional controller
56:32 and man, there's, there's so many great, super cool, innovative controllers out there.
56:38 Yeah. Like after doing that controller tier list video with David where we did the whole like
56:43 playoff, man, I don't, I don't think you can get away with having a top of the line controller
56:49 anymore that doesn't have adjustable tension on the analog sticks.
56:52 Like it's just, it was so game changing.
56:55 Yeah. For me anyway, that I was just like, well, everything else is basic now.
57:01 And that doesn't mean that I necessarily, you know, want to go and replace every controller
57:05 in my house with those, in some cases, quite expensive aftermarket controllers.
57:10 But little brother controllers are the big brother controller now.
57:15 It's, it's not the way that it used to be where first party was king.
57:18 What is cool about the steam controller though is each of their puck wireless dongles supports
57:24 up to four of them and steam will support up to four pucks, meaning 16 controllers to
57:30 one machine making for hassle free 10 player tape to tape, which is all that I really care
57:35 about as far as that goes. There's a lot more to break down once we actually, you know, finish reviewing these devices.
57:44 And there's actually more details in the two main channel LTT videos that we have up on
57:48 these devices. You guys can go check those out. But in the meantime, I want to talk about pricing for the steam machine.
57:55 Actually, no, what I want you guys to do chat is let me know what you would pay for it.
58:03 So basically it's a, it's a 7600 CPU and a 7600 GPU.
58:08 This is not a super powerful machine.
58:11 Valve is upfront saying that they are going to be relying on FSR in order to achieve 4k.
58:19 And even then, man, like eight gigs VRAM, anyone else would be taking a ton of flak for
58:27 shipping a game console today with eight gigs of VRAM.
58:30 Yeah. So we've got a lot of people talking pricing in here.
58:34 I'm going to, I'm going to read these. 600, 600, 600, 600, 600, 350, 800, maybe 600, a thousand.
58:42 You're crazy. Uh, 500 tops or DOA to 50 PS5.
58:47 So like 500 to 600, uh, 599, 699, 500.
58:53 Okay.
58:56 A lot of 500 to 600. I don't think so.
58:59 I can't tell you what the price will be because I literally don't know.
59:04 But when I said, you know, I'm disappointed that it isn't going to follow a console pricing model
59:13 where it's subsidized by the fact that, you know,
59:16 the manufacturer is going to be taking 30% of every game sold on it over the lifespan of this thing.
59:22 Um, because I feel that would be a more meaningful product.
59:27 Um, and they kind of asked what I meant by, well, what do you mean by console price?
59:33 And I said, well, $500.
59:36 Nobody said anything, but the energy of the room wasn't great.
59:43 So... Oh, a console isn't 500 bucks.
59:46 Maybe that's why. I mean...
59:51 PS5 Pro is 700. Yeah. The PS5 Pro.
59:54 But we're talking the Pro. PS5 Pro is markedly more powerful than the Steam Machine.
60:00 So PS5 Pro, Radeon equivalent.
60:03 I think it's more equivalent to like a 7700.
60:07 I don't follow consoles enough. Let me have a look. Let me have a look.
60:10 So that is more equivalent to a 7700 XT.
60:15 And then the base PS5 is about an RX 6700.
60:20 So the base PS5 is closer to the Steam Machine in terms of performance.
60:24 With that said, you know, it's not like the Steam Machine, even if it's at $600 or $700,
60:29 isn't going to have any justification for it.
60:32 The disk drive PS5 non-Pro is $550.
60:35 Does the Steam Machine have a disk drive? No.
60:38 Okay, then. Well, I don't think so.
60:41 It has a lot of other stuff going on though. Yeah, I mean, compared to a PlayStation.
60:46 Yeah, you can use it as a computer, but I think a lot of people won't.
60:50 And the fact that Valve is shipping this thing with a controller tells me that this is...
60:55 A controller with touch pads on it. And all but one demo.
60:59 All but one demo that they had in their big like demo room was it hooked up to a TV.
61:05 Like it wasn't... They had the one where it was hooked up to a monitor.
61:08 I expect people to hook up to TVs, for sure. Right. I still just think it's not completely equivalent.
61:14 I mean... I'm not surprised it would be more expensive.
61:19 I think it honestly makes sense that it would probably be more expensive.
61:22 There's not... Which one would be more expensive?
61:26 The Steam Machine. What is it adding?
61:31 It's a computer. Sure. How much are you going to compute from your couch?
61:39 I can definitely see people using it in that way.
61:42 And I can see that being a value add for people and it being more expensive because of that.
61:46 Sure. I'm not saying I understand why the pricing might work that way.
61:49 I'm not saying it's good. When you were saying there's more to it, I thought you meant there's like more hardware
61:53 that I'm not accounting for that would make it like the cost higher.
61:56 It's a different device. Sure.
61:59 Yeah. Yeah. It's a different device.
62:02 But you know, for me the question is like from a performance standpoint, the biggest
62:05 justification for what I'm going to hook up to my TV.
62:08 I'm not computing. I'm gaming. I'm gaming from my couch.
62:12 So the biggest justification to me is that I can take advantage of Steam Sales.
62:15 I don't have to buy things in the PlayStation Store.
62:18 If it's going to be more expensive, that's the more meaningful.
62:21 There are benefits to it being a compute device on your TV for sure.
62:25 Sure. I think saying no to that is crazy. I mean, hit me.
62:28 Like what? You can pirate things. Okay.
62:31 But I can't watch like proper HDR Netflix because it's Linux.
62:35 I mean, you could. It would be annoying, but you could.
62:39 You can. Is that supported now? Because I'm not aware of it.
62:42 You could virtual machine over if you cared.
62:45 HDR? Because you have a... With what streaming platform?
62:48 Sorry. What? Like watching HDR?
62:52 Like, like DRM protected HDR Netflix?
62:56 No. You can't do that through Windows? Not...
62:59 If you boot Windows through anyways? Sure.
63:02 But then now you're buying a Windows license. Oh, sure. You're pirating things, so you can't pirate the easiest thing to pirate?
63:08 I mean, at this point, you're basically making the argument of like just going in...
63:12 Like you're taking this... We're talking about a console right now.
63:16 I mean, at the point of what you... We're not.
63:19 That's my point. At the point of what you're talking about, go build a PC and then just hide it behind
63:22 your media console. I mean, in a lot of ways, yeah.
63:25 Well, right, but that's not what we're talking about. Except that's what they're selling.
63:29 Sort of. Actually. Were you there?
63:32 No. Okay. So that's not really the messaging.
63:35 Okay. It's part of it. So it projects that it's not a console.
63:39 It's specifically not a console. It's not a console, but what it is, is it is designed for a very console-like experience.
63:45 Totally. It will do that and more stuff, which is my point.
63:48 I don't really... I'm actually having a hard time kind of following along here.
63:53 But basically where we started was I went, hey, I don't really think that there's a lot
63:59 here that would justify four years later why this thing would be priced like a four-year-old
64:05 PlayStation 5, and if you kind of go, yeah, there's more utility and it being open, it's
64:12 like, yeah, but at that point, yeah, you could just build a PC and flash a Steam OS image
64:18 on it. Yeah, and they said it will be very competitively priced with PCs.
64:22 So you could do that, or you could buy this thing, you could do either one.
64:26 Yeah, there's a value to a very significant portion of the population to a more seamless
64:37 console experience, and what you're describing is not that.
64:42 Sure. That's like the DIY PC thing.
64:45 But if I can do both, then if I have that level of knowledge, I don't actually need
64:53 Valve to bring this to me. I could have done that already.
64:57 I could do that today. So that's kind of where I'm getting a little bit confused here.
65:01 Is the boot with your home theater system thing, something that's easily done by end
65:05 users? On a DIY PC?
65:10 So this is cool. Someone flagged for me, apparently there's a USB dongle that can add CEC to any off-the-shelf
65:18 computer. I have not validated this, but that's on my list of stuff.
65:22 I've never heard of that personally. I've never heard of that. It's on my list.
65:25 It's got a few upvotes. So that's on my list of stuff to validate for the full review of the Steam machine,
65:31 because that's a really important sort of... That sounds cool.
65:34 Yeah. That's a really important element of if you were trying to build the exact same functionality
65:40 on your own, what would you have to do? This should be a video.
65:45 You should try to beat. You should try to beat. You should install Steam OS on it.
65:50 Cool. Sounds good.
65:53 Yes, of course.
65:57 But that has to be part of the calculation, right? And you got to go buy a good controller.
66:03 Like you can't just buy the cheapest controller and say, oh, well, I have a controller, therefore
66:07 I am feature equivalent. You could just buy a Steam controller.
66:13 You mean the old one? Can you not buy the new one? Well, not yet.
66:17 We're going to do this. We're going to do it first. Got it.
66:20 So basically the title's going to be I Couldn't Wait, So I Built My Own Steam Machine. I'm going to use the old chassis.
66:24 Do you wait until the pricing comes out and then try to match the pricing?
66:29 Or are you just going to look at the specs and see what price you can make it for and
66:32 then kind of beat them to the pricing conversation? That would be really interesting.
66:36 I don't know because I think there's multiple ways that we can tackle it.
66:39 The one that I built for myself is actually going to be more powerful.
66:42 I'm a little disappointed in the specs to be just completely black.
66:47 I mean, I think that's pretty fair. A PlayStation 5 today for more than like $500, $600, I'm not excited.
66:57 It's okay, but it's not exciting to me.
67:01 To me, the exciting part is just SteamOS on more pieces of hardware that are being sold
67:08 to people. Yeah. And that's cool.
67:11 And, you know, I'm still, you know, four years later, very excited for SteamOS to become
67:16 a more mainstream thing that's easier to install on a wide range of hardware and all
67:20 that stuff. But in terms of like what I need in my life, if it doesn't come with aggressive pricing,
67:28 and it was a little surprising to me that it wasn't going to be priced like a console
67:32 because the Steam Deck pretty much was and still is.
67:36 You look at it compared to, you know, the Ionios and the ROG allies of the world and
67:43 they are undercutting them significantly.
67:47 But Valve made the strategic decision in this case not to do custom silicon that would yield
67:52 them a large savings over a very large volume product, which tells me, you know, a couple
67:57 of things. One is that they don't necessarily know if this is going to be a high volume product.
68:03 This or it tells me that they don't even want to interfere with the ecosystem, which,
68:09 you know, was part of the conversation that we had, even though they couldn't give me like firm reasons around everything.
68:14 Interesting. Yeah. I mean, they've had much stronger partnerships with especially PlayStation, but also Xbox
68:21 recently. So maybe they're like kind of semi-joining the space, but trying to do it in a fairly
68:27 friendly way. And that would be true to the original vision for Steam Machine.
68:32 Like if you recall, Steam Machine, the one that I have, the like prototype, like one,
68:38 that was not a real product. They launched with partners like Alienware.
68:42 You could make it in that box. Of course I am.
68:45 Come on, man. Come on. By the way, I just looked this up.
68:50 I don't know if it's the same one that got linked to you. There's a few threads that I found talking about it and somebody already said that it
68:57 like works with Steam Deck. Oh, interesting.
69:02 And apparently it advertises somewhere that it's like compatible with macOS.
69:07 Oh, now they say Linux. Okay. Point O is a disappointment.
69:11 So I'll have to look around. There might also be other ones. I don't know.
69:15 I'll have to see what's out there, but that's definitely something that we'd have to factor
69:19 in. Yeah. Someone in Twitch chat just said, Dark Horse said, Pulse 8, yeah, these guys are legit.
69:26 And I've seen a few threads talking about them. Maybe they have a different one that's not, you know, 2.0a anymore.
69:33 I don't know, man. I'm excited for the idea of the year of the Linux desktop.
69:39 What I'm not excited about is it not having a console like price.
69:43 And the other thing that's great about consoles is the way that they tend to plummet in value.
69:48 Yeah, this will have that problem, I suspect.
69:51 Well, no, no, no, I don't think it will. Really?
69:55 Because it's a PC. I just, the reason why I think so is just because it's like already slow and old.
69:59 You think so? Okay. That'll be.
70:02 People don't like people calling it slow and old. Hubs sort of under fire for calling it, I think, slow and old or something like that.
70:09 Really? Yeah. As a new, as a device that's coming out next year, that feels based on what we expect the
70:18 price will be, that feels true to me. Mr. Faray, USB 2, did I say USB 2 was a disappointment?
70:25 I meant HDMI 2 was a disappointment. I'd like it to be 2.1 at this point, that dongle.
70:32 The USB doesn't matter. All right.
70:35 No, okay. So to be clear, that 2,500K system that I mentioned on, I think last Wanshow is playing
70:43 Arc Raiders right now. So being old doesn't necessarily even mean that big of a deal.
70:48 I just think. Well, it's not the CPU I'm worried about. Exactly.
70:52 It's that 7,600 8-gig GPU, and the fact that Valve is even talking about 4K on it.
70:59 In fairness to them. They attach that to upscaling. They are being very upfront that they mean with FSR, which basically means not 4K.
71:09 Not actually, yeah. But we are probably, what, two years now from PlayStation 6, which means we're probably
71:18 three to four years from games that are actually going to leverage PlayStation 6 hardware,
71:25 meaning that Valve has kind of like a half a console generation before they can't, with
71:30 a straight face, say, yeah, it'll run basically high-end games on Steam at 4K 60 FPS with
71:37 FSR, because all the FSR in the world is not going to make a PlayStation 6 game run.
71:41 It just sucks that that's going to be true for such a short period of time, like you're saying.
71:45 Yeah, exactly. But Mr. Nick88 in Twitch chat did also say, quote from Valve engineer, Yazan Alda Hayat,
71:53 I think. I hope. Sure.
71:56 The Steam machine is equal to or better than what 70% of people have at home.
71:59 And that's an interesting comment, because it's not...
72:05 It's so open that it will, like if I think about the types of games that I'm usually going
72:12 to want to be playing on my TV, it will probably be fine for a significantly longer period
72:20 of time. The crap out of Castle Crashers on your Steam machine.
72:24 Exactly. Most like couch co-op things. What's that RV game?
72:28 Moving out. Oh no. That's the different one.
72:31 RV there yet. Yeah. That game, I'm sure, it'll run completely fine.
72:35 But also moving out, you know, overcooked, like...
72:38 Yeah. All those games will be no problem for basically like ever.
72:42 What's that Mario Party clone, but like more violent? You know the one I'm talking about, right?
72:47 He would know. Pummel Party. Yeah, Pummel Party.
72:50 That's going to run on it. No problem, right?
72:53 So to be clear, I'm not saying it's like bad. No.
72:57 I'm just saying that compared to a PlayStation 5, which I can literally get on Facebook
73:03 Marketplace for like, what did I pay for the one in Scrapyard Wars?
73:07 Like less than 400 Canadian dollars? Yeah.
73:10 Yeah. That's tough. That's tough.
73:13 That's tough. And there are benefits to a device like that over this.
73:18 Like for instance, being able to stream protected content, which, and I get it.
73:22 I know our audience, there's a lot of piracy. There's a lot of sailing the high seas, but that's not everybody, right?
73:29 And so we do have to acknowledge that for a lot of people, the steam machine is not
73:34 just going to be a no-brainer, like obviously anything else is stupid.
73:39 I think another thing that'll hurt it, and I didn't articulate this earlier, but I did
73:42 mean to earlier, I just forgot, is that I don't think this is going to have a almost
73:52 unique-less value. It is cool. It's the first steam machine that's actually publicly available.
73:57 It has steam OS, all that kind of stuff. No, it's not.
74:00 For sale? Well, I mean, there were the old ones. They were for sale.
74:04 Oh, I didn't even know they actually went for sale. Yeah, nobody bought them. Okay.
74:07 Yeah. I didn't know they actually went for sale. I thought, anyways, whatever.
74:11 The only thing about old consoles that keeps their value is the like, there are probably
74:16 games that only work on this, or it had a very unique experience for some particular
74:22 reason. Yeah. So the way that they drop, because there's so many of them, but then they hold.
74:27 And then they'll go up. And then they'll eventually... I don't think that's going to happen here.
74:30 I don't. Exactly. It's just going to be an old computer.
74:33 Yes. Which... Yeah.
74:36 We'll see how it goes. Old computers will, again, they'll drop and they'll hold for a long time, but then they
74:42 just plummet. They'll hit a wall where it's like, this just kind of sucks now.
74:47 It's not getting driver updates anymore. These various things are happening.
74:50 I mean, Linux, though. And then get ditched. Linux, though.
74:53 The fact that it runs Linux and you don't have to worry about Microsoft just like rug-pulling
74:58 your ability to boot the latest OS that's getting security updates, like...
75:01 That might help it be more legit for longer. Yeah. I think there's going to be a lot at play in its ability to hold value, for sure.
75:07 Of course, baby. Yeah. Okay.
75:10 The last thing before we bring Elijah on and talk about Linus X Linus is the Steam Controller.
75:14 Yes. Specifically the name. So I took a bit of a shot at Valve for calling the Steam Controller, Steam Controller, when
75:23 they already have a product called Steam Controller.
75:27 They sure do.
75:32 They sure do. Like if you Google Steam Controller, says Steam Controller on Steam, the picture is
75:36 the old one. You click on it and it's right there.
75:39 They did add 2015 now. Yeah.
75:42 So I did take a little bit of flack for this in the comments as well.
75:47 It's a stupid critique, Linus. That one has been long discontinued.
75:52 There's no way that anyone would get confused about it when the new one is like, you know,
75:57 obviously the new one. I Googled Steam Controller.
76:01 And my response to that is, no, this is unconscionable.
76:08 This is not okay. Nothing can ever be named the same thing exactly as another product because it serves literally
76:16 no purpose other than to be confusing.
76:19 So counterpoint, you're right.
76:22 In the near future, there won't be a ton of confusion because all the SEO will be towards
76:27 the new one. Yeah. Okay.
76:30 What if you have an old one and you're trying to do a battery swap or something like that
76:35 on it? Well, I guess go fuck yourself. Cool.
76:38 Also, what about 10 years from now when they are both old and obsolete and you are trying
76:44 to find information, you're trying to find a how to guide or you're trying to, well,
76:50 I mean, yeah, that's the biggest one is it pretty much my objection to this comes down
76:54 to ease of finding information and right to repair, calling something the exact same thing
76:59 is completely unnecessary, completely unnecessary and can lead to nothing but confusion.
77:08 And when I asked valve point blank, why did you do this?
77:12 They said it was because it would reduce confusion.
77:19 That was actually the fucking reason, which to me, I don't, I don't accept in the plate
77:29 devil's advocate. Sure. Apple's done this forever.
77:33 Yeah, which is exactly what I brought up and they acknowledged what a problem it is.
77:38 And I do think considering the amount of steam controllers out there, especially that are
77:42 still in use, this might actually reduce confusion because the amount of people, the amount of
77:48 people that will have the new one and just not even know the old one existed.
77:53 But tell me this, if they called it steam controller two, it would have been fine.
77:58 How would that confuse anybody? I don't necessarily think it would.
78:02 I have a fun thing though that's going to hurt some people's brains. Is this actually how it works?
78:06 Does the USB-C port not line up with the little LED thing? Don't worry about it.
78:12 Get this, get this. What?
78:15 No, you can't move on from that. We're not done yet.
78:18 Bring that back. We're not done yet. No, we're not going back to that.
78:22 So when I talked to them, I was like, look guys, do you want to be Microsoft?
78:28 Do you want to have stupid naming schemes that don't make any sense?
78:34 Or look at one of the other players in the console space.
78:38 Sony hasn't run into fucking confusion by calling the PlayStation 2, PlayStation 2.
78:44 Here's a question for you. I'm not done yet. No, I'm not done.
78:50 So they didn't run into confusion calling it PlayStation 3.
78:54 That's not confusing in spite of the fact that far more people bought a PlayStation
78:57 2 than a PlayStation 1. Consoles went way more mainstream, especially in the West around PlayStation 2.
79:04 Like way more. It moved so many units. That's not confusing.
79:08 And the same thing, I said the same thing, DualShock, DualShock 2. That's not confusing.
79:12 Nobody's confused. And they went, well, yeah, but what about DualSense?
79:16 I'm like, yeah, what about DualSense?
79:20 It's got a completely new ergonomic design. It has their Sense haptic triggers.
79:25 It has a clearly differentiating feature. And also it's not called the fucking same thing.
79:31 It's called DualSense. It has a new name. What about Steam Machine?
79:34 So Steam Machine's stupid too. Steam Machine, I don't mind as much though because literally not a single one still exists.
79:42 Everyone who bought those put Windows on it. You literally can't, that ancient original SteamOS that ran on it, they used NVIDIA GPUs
79:51 back then. You literally can't even install new SteamOS on it.
79:57 Steam Machine is more of a concept, or was more of a concept at the beginning.
80:02 You didn't buy a Steam Machine. You bought an Alienware, whatever part number, and it was listed on Steam as a Steam Machine.
80:10 So this is the first first party Steam Machine.
80:14 So I can at least kind of get behind that. I remember it was through the OEMs, I thought they had a first party one as well.
80:21 The first party one just went out to press to try out SteamOS and experience the ecosystem.
80:27 But it was all third party.
80:30 That's not that bad. So this is one of those things where the only reason to call something the same thing is
80:39 to unnecessarily screw up search results, which Luke managed to demonstrate far more
80:45 succinctly and easily than I had even thought to do it. Dude, it was, I was actually stunned that it came up that way.
80:51 I'm not, because this is a serious f***ing problem.
80:56 Any time you try to fix- And just to prove the first result is the old one.
81:02 The second, and it says you visit often, I've only visited today, the second result is the
81:07 new one. There is no reason to do this.
81:10 Like if you've ever tried to find what version of iOS is supported on an iPad, if you don't
81:16 pay super close attention and you know like, oh, this is the late 2017 one, or there's
81:23 like little tiny letters on the back that you can like pull out a magnifying glass and
81:27 like search for that specific model, and it's just called iPad, it's like f***ing worthless.
81:33 If you're trying to replace a screen or a battery or a home button or whatever the case
81:38 may be and just find information about the bloody thing, that is the only purpose that
81:43 it serves and the really infuriating part of it is that Apple knows better.
81:47 For their cash cow, for the iPhone, they all have a clear, a clear name that is different
81:54 from the one before and different from the one after. They're all clearly named.
81:58 It's, it's, it still fits under clearly named, but in my opinion, they faltered for a second
82:03 with the X, but then they came back, they came, they fixed it.
82:06 And at least it had a name that was not the same as any other iPhone.
82:09 I totally agree. It just wasn't as good and then they went back to being good again.
82:14 And to be clear, Apple doesn't do everything perfectly in this regard either.
82:17 The new SE is called 16E instead of just calling it the, and the SEs were actually kind of
82:23 dumb because they had like SE and then SE second generation, like they have made mistakes.
82:27 I didn't even know that. But those are mistakes. Those are not okay.
82:32 It's never okay. And no, it was, because I could, I could make the exact same statement.
82:37 We called it steam controller so that it wouldn't be confusing.
82:41 I could see the exact same thing. We called it steam controller too, so it wouldn't be confusing.
82:46 Which of those actually made more sense to you? Of course.
82:50 Yeah. Yeah. I just, I can't, whenever someone gives you a reason, and I use the word reason very
82:57 loosely here because reason implies logic and logic is math.
83:01 Whenever somebody gives you a reason for their actions that does not logic, then what it
83:06 means is either they're stupid or they're lying.
83:09 Those are the only answers. And I don't know what Valve's game is here.
83:13 I don't understand this, but I don't agree with it and I will never agree with it.
83:19 No two products should ever be called exactly the same thing, ever.
83:23 Speaking of not agreeing with it, I looked up images and references and stuff like that
83:28 and the USB-C port does line up with the middle of the controller.
83:31 I think that animation that they have is just not correct.
83:36 Or maybe the magnet is off-centered. Oh yeah, it's not plugging into USB port.
83:42 No, it looks like the magnet's centered. It's probably just the graphic.
83:45 I wouldn't worry about that. That is like the least. Oh, it will bother the...
83:49 Engagement fate. ...out of people. It will bother people so much.
83:53 I don't actually remember where it was. I'm sure it's fine. It all looks centered.
83:57 Yeah. Yeah. A full-plane chat seems to be back.
84:02 Oh, really? For now, maybe. For now, maybe.
84:05 Oh, we'll see how it goes. That's fine. Should we talk about Linus X Linus?
84:09 Yeah. Dude. It was the best thing ever.
84:18 I mean... It was weird hearing him say that he was glad that Luke wasn't here.
84:24 I've been joined. I don't even.
84:29 Is this Micon? It will be in a second. Just wait for him to get settled.
84:34 Do you want to give it a quick tap for me?
84:37 Okay, wait. I actually do think Chad is actually properly back now. Thank you, AJ.
84:41 I've got headphones and everything. Yeah, you're mad. Nice.
84:44 Can you hear okay? Yeah, we... We...
84:47 We sprained for the headphones. Give me a... Give me a tippy tap.
84:50 Just on the... Perfect. Okay.
84:53 All right. Hopefully this isn't too loud. Let's do this thing.
84:56 No, no. Speaking of having two things named the same.
84:59 There we go. Yeah. How confusing was that?
85:02 I... I've never really gone through that. It was quite funny every single time being like, hey Linus, and then both would turn
85:09 every single time for the whole day.
85:13 Did you guys get really hardcore about Linus and Linus?
85:17 No. Oh. He actually doesn't agree with that.
85:21 Oh. Probably Linus if you are speaking Swedish to him.
85:26 That totally makes sense to me. Otherwise he goes by Linus. I called him Linus just because it kind of broke my brain to call anyone else Linus,
85:35 except sometimes I think I called him Linus a couple of times. Well you had asked him about it and then you tried Linus for a while.
85:41 Then you said Linus, then you said Linus.
85:45 You honestly bounced back and forth quite a bit between all three.
85:48 It's a hard name. Debatable. It's a hard name.
85:51 It's very debatable. Strong name. Can you say the word line?
85:54 Can you say the word us? I mean you'd be surprised how few people can handle it, especially in other languages.
86:00 It's very difficult. It's very difficult. So I mean, dude, I don't even know, I don't even really know where to start with this.
86:07 If you weren't paying attention or you're just joining the show now, we had the one
86:11 and only Linus Torvalds, the creator of the Linux kernel here to shoot a collaborative
86:17 video this week. We reached out to him saying, hey, what do you think?
86:22 Would you like to do a video together? Got back the weirdest response ever.
86:27 Oh dude, it was very strange.
86:30 Awesome. You should stop bringing that up and down because it's a lot of mic movement.
86:33 You might just have to kind of hold it. Okay. Sorry, sir.
86:36 I could handle noises. My bad, sir. No, you're great.
86:39 Cut a lot of it out. So you probably hear more than they do. Oh, cool.
86:42 We go Linus. Linus. It's Linus.
86:45 Yeah. So he basically said, without accepting or declining, well, the only way for this to work
86:54 would be for it to something, something, there can be only one like the hit 80s movie
87:02 Highlander or two men enter one man leaves like Mad Max.
87:07 And so I basically responded with, I don't know what to make of these.
87:11 I'm going to give myself the homework of watching these old movies I've never seen and I will
87:15 get back to you, which it took me a very long time because I don't find a ton of time to
87:20 watch movies. And then eventually I did and it turns out that he had meant yes.
87:26 We actually found out while he was here that he has a very interesting approach to email.
87:32 Oh, yeah. I suspect he has an interesting approach to a lot of things.
87:36 Feel free to participate. Well, I don't want to interrupt you. Well, no, I mean, yeah, you're hanging around late at work to participate.
87:42 Why don't you tell the email? He's very different than our Linus, where our Linus might take anywhere between four
87:48 minutes and four business months to respond to an email.
87:52 Mr. Linus Torvalds has says, if I don't respond in 15 minutes, probably wasn't important anyways.
87:58 And then you're not going to get a response and he archives it and he's like, if it's
88:02 important enough, they'll follow up again and then I'll respond then based.
88:06 So he almost responded like with it was definitely within 15 minutes of your original email,
88:10 which I was floored by. And then what he said was like, yeah, well, it was either that or not.
88:16 And I was like, oh, well, I'm glad it was important enough to that.
88:20 I think that's based. And then you guys set up a call and did some talking and here we are.
88:28 Okay. Out of 10. How cool was it?
88:31 Like a 17. Dude, like we have some footage on your phone of us in the lobby because he gave me the
88:37 access to his Uber to see like whereabouts he was. We could just keep track.
88:41 And I was like watching it like a hawk. Well, first, so nervous. First, we were freaking out because he was what, half an hour early, an hour early.
88:48 Oh yeah. He's like super early. So we're sitting there like, that's not ready.
88:52 We're not ready to shoot this. Linus is still in the middle of a meeting right now. What are we going to do this?
88:57 So finally, about five minutes before he's showing up, Linus and I walked down to the
89:02 front lobby and we're just kind of like pacing back and forth, like waiting or like, what
89:07 do we do? How do we open this? Because we were standing on the set and I was like, dude, what is the point of us trying
89:13 to play this cool? We might as well just wait for him on the doorstep because we want to.
89:21 Yep. And so maybe that footage will make it onto Floatplane at some point of us just in the
89:25 lobby. I think there's, I do think there's stuff coming. Yeah.
89:28 Oh, yeah. No, there's actually, Sammy already has, there's already something behind the scenes up on
89:35 Floatplane right now. Let me have a look.
89:39 There's actually two already.
89:42 Behind the scenes, shooting the intro for the collab.
89:45 So we ended up, here's a bit of a spoiler. We went with Highlander.
89:49 There can be only one. So we do like kind of a goofy sword fight thing.
89:56 Here's some pictures. Except I can only get samurai swords. I unfortunately couldn't get broad swords like the movie.
90:03 So we'll have all that, we have all that up on Floatplane right now.
90:08 Then how can you be that much of a Chad and still genuinely that humble, but also know
90:15 how important you are? Oh, yeah. Because he definitely knows how important he is or how important his contribution has
90:21 been. But he's just, I don't know, it was like kind of hanging out with like someone's dad.
90:28 Like he's just very down to earth. Yeah. It got really comfortable really quickly.
90:33 Except me. I asked you, I was like, was Valon or this, like more, what were you more nervous for?
90:39 Oh, this. Yeah. Not even close.
90:42 Like Valon's a celebrity. But Torvalds.
90:46 In our space is a dramatically bigger deal.
90:50 Like we were talking about it, Elijah and I both were like, okay, well, this is it then.
90:54 I actually can't see any other peak of like having a guest do a type of video.
91:00 Have him back. The first thing that other people will say is, okay, well, what about Bill Gates?
91:05 And it's like, no, you got to be kidding me. That was exact response.
91:08 Yeah. Exactly. Not even close.
91:11 It's like, why not some, why not some other billionaire? Yeah.
91:14 Like actually. Actually though. No.
91:17 Like this is. This is. It was unbelievably cool.
91:20 I think that gay men would be, would be close for me.
91:24 Oh, for sure. Torvalds gay men.
91:28 You got to go. I haven't talked about this topic yet, but you got to go meet gay men on his yacht, 364
91:34 foot. Please. Wozniak would be very cool, but less meaningful to me.
91:43 I wasn't into Apple like then when he was with the company.
91:47 Wozniak has a lot to do with the introduction of the personal computer.
91:50 He does. Wozniak would be super cool. That would be super cool.
91:54 But like there's not, man, there's not. You just got to email.
91:58 Many. That's all you did for this one. And we got the collab.
92:01 We've talked about this after now. It's like, dude, how many cold emails should we just start sending?
92:05 Yeah. I actually. I asked him to though.
92:08 I was like, I don't remember exactly what I said, but I was like, I can't, I basically
92:13 told him. I was like, I can't believe it was this easy.
92:16 All I, I, I spent my entire career obviously knowing who he was.
92:22 How spammed he's going to get now. He brought that up.
92:26 He'll just ignore it. Yeah. He was like, yeah, basically he talked about how, as far as I can tell, ignoring things
92:32 is his superpower. Same as how I can't see ads.
92:35 He just can't see an email he doesn't care about and he'll just.
92:38 Does he archive himself or does it just auto archive past a certain period of time?
92:42 He says he'll archive it. I don't know what that means. Yeah.
92:45 I'm not sure what that means. I mean, all in the column archive it later. I'm sure that someone like that could come up with a script.
92:53 This is archiving assistant if you really wanted to.
92:57 Like the, I basically couldn't wrap my brain around the fact that, because obviously I've
93:04 always been aware of the other, you know, you know, the actual tech, tech Linus, right?
93:09 Yeah. And the fact that just me being too shy to ask was the only reason it took this long.
93:17 That was the barrier of entry. That was the barrier.
93:20 It was genuinely so much fun and so cool and like just even walking around the studio
93:25 with him, kind of giving him an example of like, this is what we do because he didn't
93:28 necessarily even fully grasp it until he was here. Like what a YouTube media company was like, right?
93:35 It is weird. It's very, yeah. Like in the history of media.
93:38 It is very strange. And as we kept walking, he was like, wow, this place just keeps going.
93:41 Like that was like. It was cool that he was, he seemed, and I don't think he'd bother to pretend, but he seemed
93:49 genuinely interested. Did you bring him to the lab?
93:52 I didn't. We only had a limited amount of time with him. I know.
93:56 I know. We only had a limited. We did invite lab people over to come meet him though.
93:59 Okay. Yeah. No, I knew about that, but I was.
94:02 I know. Which that will be a separate Floatplane video as well.
94:06 There's kind of like a 15 minute kind of staff asked him questions.
94:10 It was very, because it was after the shoot and I was just like, guys, just like, go up
94:15 and say hi. Oh, dude, people were like hovering. Well, yeah.
94:18 Like, I was like. Honestly, he's probably quite used to that.
94:23 Yeah. He wasn't awkward though.
94:26 It's funny because as part of my prep for this, I read his autobiography and I, he
94:34 didn't believe me until like the fourth time I referenced it, I think.
94:37 Yeah. You had asked some questions from it or some guiding questions and he was like, oh, you
94:42 actually did read the book. It was quite funny.
94:47 So yeah, in prepping for it. So he wrote it over 20 years ago though.
94:52 And he talks a lot about like how much trouble he has with public speaking and how awkward
94:56 he is or whatever. And I was like, well, either a lot has done a ton since then.
95:00 A lot has changed in 20 years, or you weren't as awkward as you thought you were.
95:05 Or you hide it well or whatever. Every time he opened his mouth, he was very eloquent and it was super interesting.
95:11 Like he's one of those people that's just like, well, there's no way that I'm the smartest
95:17 person in this room because it's that guy.
95:22 And it was, it was just super cool. Everything he said just seemed so well considered, even if we were kind of trying to blindside
95:30 him with something. He still took the time to process it and then like give an actually good response.
95:35 And we were like, wow, okay. Like we mean, we mean them with like Xbox versus PlayStation.
95:42 And he like gave us a thoughtful response and it's like, all right.
95:46 Yeah. It was very great. The hardest part about this video, I think, is going to be cutting it into a video.
95:53 And not because there's not enough content. There's too much.
95:57 You just got to dump it on Philippine, speaking of which, question from the now working
96:01 Philippine chat. Archangel of Death said, did he know about LTT before your email?
96:06 So this is funny. I specifically asked him if he had seen the video that we did a number of years ago where
96:14 we followed the guide from ZD net or parts list really from ZD net and we built Linus
96:21 Torvalds computer. Like we built the same spec and we were like, if you build this, you'll have the same PC
96:26 as Linus Torvalds. And I was like, have you seen it?
96:30 He's like drew a complete blank.
96:34 But the two other flipping YouTubers that I happened to mention.
96:42 Okay. I mentioned Mehdi, Electro Boom.
96:46 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
96:49 Immediately. He's like, oh yeah, Electro Boom. Awesome.
96:52 Yeah. He's local. I'm like, okay.
96:55 Ego destroyed. Did you call Mehdi up? And then, I should have actually.
96:58 No, I didn't. And then just because I was just kind of, I was kind of talking about how it kind of
97:03 blew his mind that we were more of a physical goods company than we are a media company
97:09 these days. And I was like, I was just kind of chatting with him and I kind of brought up that that's
97:13 not even that unique anymore. Like this creator economy is incredibly cool.
97:18 And so I pulled out, I pulled out this.
97:22 This is my new box cutter from Evan and Caitlin.
97:26 And they showed it to me at VidCon.
97:30 And I was just like, that is too cool for you to give it to me.
97:33 I will buy one. It's super expensive, but it's like extremely satisfying.
97:39 You just can't handle it, can you?
97:43 Up, up. There we go. So you slide it forward and then let it go.
97:47 Yep. And then slide it back. Oh.
97:50 To retract it. Okay. Yeah.
97:53 I thought you slid it forward again to pull it back. No. Yeah.
97:56 It's super cool. So I showed it to him and he's like, oh yeah, those guys, they make the, like, like.
98:00 The resin pumpkin. Well, you asked him about one of our videos.
98:03 Did you ask him about our channel? He then acknowledged that he had heard of those.
98:08 Okay, okay. I didn't completely destroy my ego, but it's just like, I pull two sort of not random because
98:15 obviously they're, they're tech adjacent and big creators, but he like immediately
98:21 was like, oh yeah, those guys. It was very funny.
98:24 Yeah. I have to ask you if you can say it without spoiling.
98:29 What was the highlight? Like, if you can pinpoint one specific moment.
98:38 It's really tough. I have one. It's so hard because there's like kind of what's a, what's a personal highlight.
98:46 Like the fact that he genuinely thought what we're doing is cool.
98:49 Yeah. That's pretty sweet. That was amazing because if he thinks it's cool, then it's cool.
98:56 As far as I'm concerned. That's pretty huge. That's a respectable favorite point.
99:01 But like, I mean, I just thought how cool he was was also cool.
99:07 Like the fact that he's so, no, I'm serious. No, I hear you.
99:11 Like the fact that without a moment of hesitation, you know, I was like, it's totally fine to
99:16 say no, would it be okay? You have a, you have some pretty big fans here to hang around longer and just chat.
99:24 And he was so generous with his time during that he didn't have to talk to anybody.
99:31 He waited until like the kind of energy died down before being like, okay, I guess I can
99:36 head out now. He read the room like super hard.
99:40 They say never meet your heroes, right? Meet this one.
99:43 But meet this one because he's so cool.
99:47 And there was, I literally just from the second like he introduced himself, it was just,
99:56 I don't know. It was great vibes. Yeah.
99:59 Yeah. And so that was a super huge highlight.
100:04 I, I mean, this will be kind of a weird one, but getting him to cringe at my dad jokes.
100:12 Oh, that was so funny. Was so fun. Yeah.
100:15 You cracking dad jokes and then either they're not immediately realizing it or realizing
100:20 it immediately and going like actually deep sigh.
100:24 He called out your segues a couple of times, which was really funny.
100:27 He's like, oh, he does know the channel. Yeah. He was like, oh, that was cool.
100:30 Yeah. That was cool. Yeah.
100:33 Very cool. Like, is that enough? Is that enough like peak tier highlights for you?
100:38 Like it goes on and on. I have one that I think was my highlight.
100:42 It was after the shoot, after the meet and greet, we went and said goodbye to you.
100:46 Yeah. I candidly was just like, I'd be happy to give you a ride back to your hotel, which was
100:52 about a 25 minute drive from the office pretty much in completely the opposite direction
100:57 of where my home was, but I got a 25 minute one on one conversation with him.
101:03 And like that's something that is going to be forever ingrained.
101:07 Even if I have another concussion, I can't possibly forget that because it's just so
101:10 cool. And that's what I mean even to about being generous with his time because he could have
101:16 just been like, you know what, I'm socialed out today.
101:20 I've done it. I've done it. I've been like, you know what?
101:23 It would be fair. And that would be totally fine to do that.
101:27 But instead he's like, no, I'm going to hang around on set and talk to randoms that I've
101:31 never met, you know, or whatever. I'm going to, I'll accept the ride because you never know when you accept a ride from
101:39 someone like, you know, maybe they try and corner you with a business pitch or something
101:42 like that. Oh, totally. Yeah.
101:45 It happens. It happens. And I could see having your guard up about something like that.
101:50 But whether it's just not giving in Fox or whether it's like just being at a point in
101:55 your career where you're just, he was very open to new experiences, which was, yeah,
102:03 try anything once. He said that a lot of times.
102:08 And as far as I can tell, the try anything once is basically the reason he did it.
102:14 He's like, I've never, I've never done a YouTube video before.
102:18 I've never seen this before and he talked about how being the Linux guy has unlocked
102:24 experiences for him. He talked about going to a pre-Oscar party.
102:29 He talked about like riding on a fighter jet and just like, I kept kind of ribbing
102:34 him. I was like, right. So that's what you're comparing.
102:37 Yeah. That's what you're comparing to this, right? Like we're up, we're being in a YouTube video, right?
102:44 And I don't know, dude, it's just I was more tired after the end of that day than I have
102:53 been after work in a long time. Not because I was like down about anything we were doing, but just because being that
103:03 excited and having that much fun for an entire day is honestly pretty tiring.
103:09 Yeah. I slept for about four minutes before that like night because I was so nervous.
103:14 I was in and out of like a dream of like replaying the shoot in my head over and over, like wanting
103:19 to make sure everything was going right because obviously I have my name tied to it.
103:23 So I'm like, if this is bad, I'm bad.
103:27 So when I got home, I also just, I was done.
103:33 It's over. I have to post the other Valve video. If you got home from dropping offline is Torvald.
103:38 Yeah. Oh, I have no idea how I'm ever going to peak that.
103:42 Like maybe I can give Obama or like someone else a ride. I wouldn't peak it.
103:46 I know. He flashes his phone to me and he's like, how many people have this, this profile picture
103:53 in their recent message history? There's quite a common podcast flex question of like, who's the most famous person in your
103:58 phone? I now have the most famous person in my opinion.
104:04 In my phone. That's fantastic. That's really cool.
104:07 I'm never, ever going to text it because I'm like way too like, never going to cross
104:10 that line. But you got to like frame it. Oh, dude.
104:13 It's so cool. I should have texted you right beside him so I could get a screenshot.
104:18 Even if someone else that someone had in their phone was more famous, I think that, I think
104:23 consequential is the word that I would sort of apply most to Linus Torvalds.
104:30 Because I mean, he'll be the first to tell you that the Linux kernel these days is like
104:35 a fraction of a percent code that he actually wrote.
104:38 He's mostly the guy that makes sure that everyone else's contributions are meaningful
104:46 and are correct and are moving Linux in the right direction, moving the kernel in the
104:52 right direction. Because he's the kernel guy. He's like, yeah, at some point I had to.
104:58 Which is almost certainly an extremely good thing because as with us all unfortunately
105:05 somehow he's still mortal. So he's going to pass at some point and we're going to need a good example of the types
105:13 of things that he would want to happen.
105:17 But consequential. Absolutely.
105:20 I mean, think of a celebrity, Dwayne The Rock Johnson, probably more famous than Linus
105:28 Torvalds. Oh, yeah. More consequential?
105:31 No. Yeah. Yeah.
105:34 I mean, it's like actually funny. Like I can smell what he's cooking, but it ain't as important as Linux.
105:39 It's very, very cool.
105:42 Yeah. I mean, no one watching this is going to have a problem with that.
105:46 But I was going to say like if you had a problem with that, like please look up the amount of things around the world that move because of Linux.
105:52 Yeah. Oh dude. The phone, the Android phone in your pocket.
105:57 Your Mac. Prime example. Mac, less so.
106:00 Sort of. Less so though. Heavily inspired by.
106:05 You're talking about consequence. Yes. Absolutely underpins Android, like heavily.
106:10 For sure. But you're talking about consequence. Would it exist in the form it is now without it?
106:17 Because consequence can be indirect and direct. Okay.
106:21 Okay. Equival, equivocal says no mention of Git either.
106:25 We did actually talk about Git. We asked him which was his, his favorite child, that one I'm not going to spoil.
106:31 So make sure you guys watch this video because building the computer, that's the title of
106:37 the video, but it is the least important part of the video.
106:41 And whether it ends up being a 25 minute long video or whether it ends up being an hour
106:46 and a half video, we don't know yet. Whatever doesn't make it into the YouTube cut is going to end up on Floatplane.
106:53 But right now, Elijah and I are leaning towards a super long YouTube cut with there will still
106:59 be some stuff that's just not going to make the YouTube cut. So that'll be over on Floatplane.
107:05 But we're leaning towards just a long ass video because it was awesome.
107:10 And it's interesting to try to, to see if there's an appetite for like, you know, these
107:14 kind of long or unfiltered podcast, the almost style videos of just having a genuine conversation.
107:21 I don't know if it's going to prove a point though, because like, yeah, what does that
107:25 tell us? If we have literally one of the most consequential great point contributors to the tech world,
107:34 could we do an hour and a half long interview with them? Okay.
107:37 Yeah. Find me another one. All right.
107:40 I'll go get Bill Gates. No, I told you. I know.
107:43 That's the thing. Right? Like, yeah.
107:46 Okay. I told you. Gabe in.
107:49 Okay. Was. And was.
107:52 I'll send him an email. There's some other ones for sure. We could do a show from his yacht.
107:55 Right? Oh, yeah. Apparently, Gabe and took delivery of his new $500 million yacht today.
108:01 Yep. You guys see that? Yeah.
108:04 It has a live in nurse. I guess at his age, that kind of makes sense. And also, it's not just for leisure, it's for like scientific exploration too.
108:11 It has a diving thing and a submarine to do marine life science.
108:16 So having, I mean, Steve Irwin wouldn't have minded if he'd been working off of a yacht
108:21 that had onboard medical staff, but it's not a joke.
108:26 Yep. Why is everything a joke with your generation? That one's rough.
108:29 Whoa, whoa. That one's rough. Please don't.
108:32 Okay. Well. I don't know if that one will ever not be too soon.
108:37 Steve Irwin? Oh. He was taken too soon.
108:40 That's the thing. That's the thing. It's not that whether the joke is too soon or not too soon, it's that he was taken too
108:45 soon. Yeah. So it's always too soon.
108:48 Forever. But I'm sure he wouldn't have minded if there was a medical professional closer.
108:54 So I can see why Gabe N would have done that. It apparently has 15 gaming PCs, which is a weird number.
108:59 It was a little odd. I noticed that too. 15?
109:03 That's got to be a typo. There's no way it's not eight or 16. Three teams of five.
109:07 One at the head of the table. So what we're playing nights, Vikings, Pirates, like what are we even talking about here?
109:12 What are you even talking about? I don't even think that supports teams of five.
109:15 Yeah. I got nothing. Yeah.
109:18 Give me a 5v5 game. A bunch of people are speculating 14 crew members.
109:21 That would be kind of interesting. Could you imagine just Gabe playing with his 14, he's like, all right, guys, you're off
109:27 shift. We're all going to boot up some. Honestly, if you live there completely, I wouldn't be too surprised.
109:32 It's pretty cool. Yeah. Now he's talked about how he plays like Dota and just gets trolled by people and stuff.
109:37 People tell him to uninstall the game stuff.
109:41 That's crazy. Amazing. Only lost because my Starlink latency was too bad.
109:47 Going back to the Linus Torvold thing, I want to make sure that people know that we had
109:51 a Reddit thread where we asked you guys for your questions. We did go through about 10 to 15 ish of them.
109:58 Again, don't know if all of them will make it, but some were really interesting.
110:02 Cool. Some were not. Yeah.
110:05 Some after like you should just go read his autobiography and then you'll know the answer to a lot of the questions you guys asked.
110:08 I'm really glad I read it. We changed the questions about an hour before he showed up because it was like, oh yeah,
110:16 this would have been really stupid to ask, even though it's weird because people might
110:20 not have read the autobiography. For them, it's really interesting to just have this question, but it's also really obvious.
110:26 I wanted our contribution to the two ...
110:31 Totally. That was the right way to go. Yeah.
110:34 I wanted us to be bringing something new to the table. Even if you're a Die Hard Linus Torvolds fan, you watch every interview you can find
110:39 of him, I want you to find something new in ours. He's not just a man to be milked for content.
110:46 You want it to be decently more interesting for him as well.
110:49 He's just rehashing things that he wrote down in his autobiography.
110:52 It's like, I don't know. I wanted him to enjoy the experience.
110:57 Exactly. He said it was fine.
111:01 Which means we might get him back up here.
111:07 The fact that he came to us still blows my mind.
111:11 It was so funny that conversation because he's like, well, it makes so much more sense.
111:15 It'd be more effort for me to clean up my place and get you guys down here.
111:19 It'd be so much work for you guys to bring all your equipment. I want to ...
111:23 I'm just like, dude, your time and my time are not of equal worth.
111:31 If it takes you an hour, then I should be spending hours before we draw a parallel and
111:39 decide what makes sense. I think with his do everything once thing though, it was probably cool to see the operation.
111:49 Yeah, I guess. Maybe next time you'll have to go to him.
111:54 Me standing in a room with him, I have a hard time thinking there's anything cool for him
111:58 to experience. We're pretty cool.
112:03 It's all relative.
112:07 We're not a fighter jet. No.
112:10 We are not a fighter jet.
112:13 Gamer fighter jet? Stop. Let's go.
112:17 Flight sim in a flight? The person in the back, if they're not actively shooting missiles, could play like Stardew
112:22 Valley. Wow. The opposite ends of the spectrum of what you're doing, dogfight to Stardew Valley.
112:31 This is going to be a bit of a niche reference, but play Spec Ops the line in the back of
112:34 a fighter jet would be ... No one's going to get that. The four people that get it, it'll smash with ...
112:41 Amazing. Amazing. Yeah, I think that is ...
112:47 A few people got it, nice.
112:51 There's definitely been points in my career that were more consequential, ego-wise, like
112:57 the first time we did a million views in less than 24 hours on a video.
113:02 I'll remember that forever. It was seven gamers, one CPU.
113:06 I'll remember staring at this view graph going, this is unbelievable.
113:11 This is the closest thing to a viral video we've ever done. It's always been slow and steady.
113:15 This is it. This is breakthrough moment. I'll remember stuff like that.
113:19 I'll remember pacing the family room of the old house, talking to Steve on the phone and
113:26 finding out we're going to get the channel. There's moments like that in my career that are core memories.
113:35 But in terms of importance of a video we've made, I don't know if it's that important.
113:43 Like highlight? Yeah, highlight reel, career highlight reel.
113:47 This is very high.
113:50 I'm afraid to call it number one because maybe there's ... But then if something's number
113:54 one, I shouldn't forget it. Yeah. And it's possible that something could take it.
113:58 I think that's okay to look at it from that perspective.
114:01 When I'm talking career, obviously there's personal life highlights that are bigger than
114:07 meeting Linus Torvill. What? My wife ranks above Linus Torvill.
114:10 Debatable. You don't have kids. It's debatable.
114:13 Not debatable. What are you talking about? Not debatable.
114:16 You know, birth of my children, wedding day, these are ...
114:21 Those are maybe close second and third, you know? Yeah.
114:24 Fourth. I know I told my wife, I was like, sorry, honey.
114:28 Then she was like, yeah, you can sleep on the couch and I was like, understand.
114:35 Yeah. Fair enough. Sorry, but I just drove Linus Torvill home, so ...
114:40 I'm taking my Linus body pillow to the couch now.
114:44 Cool. Yeah. Anything else to ... Oh, right.
114:48 There's something that we wanted to present to Luke, so he couldn't be here.
114:52 Unfortunately. You were going to elaborate on this.
114:56 Yeah. Why was that? Planner of this video.
114:59 Sorry, what? Nowhere of things I might be interested in, but why ... I think there's ...
115:04 I texted you the Friday before the shoot, I think, or the Thursday before the shoot.
115:09 Right. That was when he told me the date of the shoot, so I had just the weekend too, because I'd
115:14 been putting it off to read the autobiography, which I got signed by the way.
115:18 And the shoot was on Wednesday. I told you, I said, hey, I've done script review.
115:22 That means this is like 100% locked in now, even though it was already potentially locked
115:27 in before. I said, hey, it's going to be on Wednesday, just so you know.
115:31 You just responded with a sad face, and then a very angry word that I won't repeat, because
115:36 I don't have a flee button. Here, we can try and time it.
115:39 All right, three, two, fuck. I don't know if we got it. That was late for sure.
115:42 That was for sure. I'm so sorry. And then he just said, I won't be there, and then another sad face.
115:52 And I was like, oh, I'm sorry, buddy.
115:55 Today we were talking, and I was like, well, technically his flight and everything was
116:00 booked like three or four weeks ago. Which if the flight is booked, you could be pretty sure about when the shoot would be.
116:07 To be fair, we weren't because of current, at the time, how some airports were struggling
116:14 with delays. It was a case of we don't actually know, but I probably could have tried to give you
116:23 a heads up. Because right about that time is when I locked in the flights for the other thing.
116:29 So if I knew, I could have. No, if you were already locking it in, then.
116:33 No, I could have just not, though, at that time, if I knew there was an extremely major
116:38 conflict. Sorry. I don't know.
116:41 Blame Vance. He actually booked the flights. Oh, wow.
116:44 You did not just throw Vance under the bus. Well, that's his job.
116:47 I can't believe it. The executive assistant. I'm sorry.
116:50 Vance, you're very... Wow. Vance, you're very important.
116:53 That's crazy. Assisting ruining your birthday. That's crazy.
116:56 He's just not going to book any of my meetings with you now, and I'm just...
117:07 I mean, that could happen. He has that power. I'm just going to walk into your office.
117:12 He can throw you out. He has that power, too.
117:15 Good luck trying. I'm pretty heavy. I'm sorry.
117:19 Oh, wow. No comment.
117:22 Thanks, man. I have never... Vance would call you that.
117:26 Don't... You can't... You can't say this.
117:29 Let the record show... Let the record show that I have never explicitly commented.
117:35 So instead... It's on video. Instead of...
117:38 What's on video? You commenting on my size.
117:41 All... Wrong platform. Height.
117:44 It was the height that I was concerned about. No, but it was definitely not.
117:50 You looked at a go-kart and you said, hey, do you fit?
117:53 Right. Because... Because it was made by a Chinese company that, while they did design it for adults,
118:02 they had designed it for... Is this the one I've sat in? They designed it for adults of a shorter...
118:08 A shorter... My bones do not fit inside of it.
118:11 Altitudinal stature. You have also said on video, dang, I know you're not playing any connect games.
118:19 Because you are quite young. Implying because it wasn't hooked up.
118:24 No. Oh man. Because...
118:27 The Wii U just says oof.
118:31 Because you're quite young, you might not have as much nostalgia for it.
118:34 I also want you to cut some jokes from videos because I know if they ever get the platform,
118:39 it would be over. Oh man.
118:43 Anyways, we got your flip-lane sign signed. Yeah, so, consolation prize.
118:48 Luke asked us to get his float-plane sign signed.
118:51 Is that plugged in? No. Oh, well, we should plug it in.
118:54 I mean, it has a... I mean, it has a... It's proprietary.
118:57 I'm assuming they left it at my desk. Oh, yeah. Okay, that makes sense.
119:00 So, Luke has a little light-up float-plane sign and it is now officially signed...
119:03 It's made by the same person. It's exactly the same as the signs that they have at NASA, Mission Control.
119:09 It's made by the same person with the same materials. That's so cool.
119:12 It's a very cool artifact. And it is now signed by not only...
119:16 Linus Torvalds, but also... For some reason.
119:20 For some reason. For some reason. Linus is fast.
119:23 That's okay, Luke. We can remove that. You have to see if I can wash it off.
119:26 We can remove that. I think he's always just been too shy to ask, so...
119:29 I have been waiting 15 years... Do you not sign his checks?
119:33 No. No. Easy.
119:36 There has been no way for me to get his signature until now. So when...
119:39 So when Linus signed it, I was like, you know what?
119:44 I'll sign it to you. It was so awkward and weird.
119:47 Of course it was. To be fair, when I saw you doing this, I was like, should I stop him?
119:52 Because I was like... And then didn't. So it didn't let me know on time so I could make travel arrangements to actually be here
119:59 and then doesn't stop the wrong Linus from signing the sign.
120:03 I didn't want to make a scene. I was like, we can remove it.
120:08 Paint over it. You're that guy with the trolley problem that just doesn't pull the lever to make the obviously
120:13 better thing happen? No. I make sure I split the rail.
120:16 Multi-track drifting. Yeah. This is going to kill one person or seven million.
120:23 So instead of being here for the coolest shoot we've ever done to meet Linus Torvalds, I
120:29 was... You have my autograph. I have Linus's autograph on my thing.
120:34 I was getting trolled by Nick Harris from the lab the entire time.
120:37 He told the Qualcomm people it was my birthday and at dinner they sang Happy Birthday to
120:43 me. You just want to die.
120:47 You want to know something crazy? I have made it 39 years of my life never being sung to in a restaurant.
120:57 That was a stupid thing to say. We got to change that. No, I will walk out.
121:01 We'll follow you. I will. We can definitely hold him in place.
121:05 Oh yeah, both of us. Easily.
121:08 Especially how he comments on my stuff. So we can hold him in place. You're going to remember this anyway.
121:12 Dude. There's only $10,000.
121:17 We're not you. We remember things. If you see him in public on his birthday.
121:21 I have to get you back for the sign. No. Yeah.
121:25 That's funny. No. I signed his car.
121:28 It should be very funny. It's the same level of funny. Sorry, Nick Harris is trolling you.
121:32 Okay, yeah. So it's a very long work day. Nick Harris is trolling me the whole time as per usual, but he just keeps threatening
121:39 that he's going to tell them. But it's obviously like a you wouldn't do that.
121:43 And then he actually did it.
121:46 So at the end of the night, two Qualcomm people, very nice people come up and walk up
121:51 just to my side and are just like staring at me for a second. And I'm thoroughly confused.
121:56 I'm like, like, can I help you? We're out at dinner.
122:00 And then I hear the like and I look to my right and there's sparklers and it's just
122:05 the worst.
122:09 Okay, so that was also like day started at eight in the morning.
122:13 We're going actually, no, my day started.
122:17 No, they started about eight in the morning.
122:20 Working, working, working. We get on to the bus while we're moving.
122:23 I'm taking a call. We go do stuff while we're on the bus.
122:26 Again, I'm taking another call for most of the dinner. I have an air pod in because I'm in a call the whole time.
122:32 Like this is a very heavy work day. And then right when I get off the call, it's happy birthday singing the whole
122:39 time I'm getting messaged about how cool the line is. Torvald shoot that I can't be at is well, I get back to hotel crash because I'm
122:47 super tired, get a call at like four in the morning that the forum is down.
122:51 So I can't even sleep. It was like worst birthday ever potentially, which, you know, all things considered.
123:00 Not that it could have been. Yeah, it could have been worse. Could have been worse.
123:03 That is probably my worst birthday. Yeah, you could have. We could have had both Linus Torvald's and Gabe in here at the studio at the same
123:09 time, you could have missed that. That would have been worse.
123:12 I'm going to plan the game and shoot when you're gone. I will.
123:19 No, do it. Do it with just Luke. Yeah.
123:23 With Linus gone. Yeah, I think I would lose my job.
123:28 Worth it. Worth it. His body language since Dan said that is amazing.
123:33 Sometimes I clip, please. I should.
123:37 The light coming off of Linus was so strong.
123:40 I would lose my job. Not acceptable. Not acceptable.
123:45 That was amazing. We flew to Gabe's yacht for a Floatplane exclusive.
123:51 Sammy Elijah Luke.
123:54 We were Linus's like boats. You might be on a boat, but then still dangerous waters boys.
124:04 Didn't Luke miss the last guess? Yeah, he missed all of them. As far as I can tell Linus purposely plans them.
124:09 Dude, I had nothing to do with the dates. Apparently it's Vance.
124:13 I found out. How did you hurt him? So what I've learned today is that Vance hates me.
124:17 No, yeah, I agree. Well, it's official. I'm posting in general about it.
124:21 Pings the whole company. Vance hates Luke. Yeah, Zastaba in Twitch chat.
124:28 Linus doesn't pull rank off him, but when he does, it's to not miss a Gabe and
124:32 meet and greet. You better believe it. What do you mean not often?
124:36 I don't think I pull rank that much. Just trying to start.
124:40 I would over this, though. Oh, yeah, I hundred percent.
124:43 I'd be like, no, unacceptable.
124:46 It'd be really funny though. No, I'm debating if it's worth losing the job.
124:51 But you've got to be kidding me right now and try to send it to Dan.
124:56 But Nick got the frame that I turned from the people singing to him.
125:02 He has the frame of the video. The look of betrayal.
125:08 Top ten anime betrayals right because it's a weird moment because I don't want
125:12 to like obviously I don't want this to happen, but I also don't want to like.
125:18 Be a jerk to these people that I just met there. I sent it to you, Dan.
125:22 Do you want that on screen? Sure, yeah.
125:26 So I'm trying to like sorry spoilers. Yeah, are you ready?
125:30 Yeah, sure.
125:33 So I'm trying to like smile and be happy because I don't want to be a big jerk.
125:37 But then I'm also like, what the hell, Nick?
125:47 Oh, no. Oh, no.
125:51 That's way too funny. I'm kind of crying a little bit.
125:56 Oh, man. Oh, no.
126:00 So I just got trolled by like the whole world.
126:05 I'm sorry. I really did wish you could be there.
126:10 I really wanted to bail, but like it's it's the Friday or Thursday or whatever
126:15 before this thing that's been planned for like a month. It's our first like thing of this style with them and yada, yada, yada.
126:22 So it's like Luke's schmoozing and and and for for our Labs team to get us,
126:28 you know, connected with all the right technical people to make sure
126:32 that we can invest in it was a great trip stuff. And oh, yeah, no, for sure.
126:36 It was actually legitimately a great trip. So.
126:39 So it's like what I have rather been here to hang over like, you know,
126:44 yeah, 20 minute drive with him was pretty great trip.
126:48 Alrighty. Yeah, even I'm a little jealous. That might have been that was that's very cool.
126:53 To me, that is like actually what top one or two moments in my life.
126:57 Yeah, obviously, I was joking. That's extremely cool. Yeah, yeah, like that's like I didn't even I didn't even have one on there.
127:05 Good job. Good job. I didn't even have one on one time with them.
127:08 Like we went for coffee. I had a cookie. There's also something about car drives.
127:11 I don't know what it is. We talked about like YouTube and like how the creator economy works a little bit.
127:17 He talked about like working with his team and what that's like. Yeah, that's probably fascinating.
127:24 He honestly asked like more questions than I got to ask back.
127:27 I felt was like, man, this man's asking me about YouTube. I was like, again, I think this is part of the try everything once thing.
127:33 And that's very cool to be the potential facilitator of that.
127:36 That's still extremely cool. Yeah, one thing we talked about was the recent ad block change
127:41 that ended up impacting views and how that impact the creator economy
127:45 from a sponsorship side or how that impact just channel momentum.
127:50 And it was it seemed very interested in like, oh, that's a change
127:54 that I could see how ad blockers are just like to. But like it really impacted millions of people and I think to a certain degree
128:01 it's still happening and that's a whole other thing.
128:05 Yeah, very cool.
128:08 All right. I don't want to overstay my welcome. Thank you for letting me hang out.
128:11 So thanks for nothing. Yeah, I do my best.
128:16 All right. See you later, everyone. Have a good weekend. I do my best.
128:19 Have a good I got it. I can take it. Yeah, you're getting no fist bump from him.
128:23 Not after what happened. Yeah, it was still it was resentful.
128:28 I could tell. I could tell. There's not a lot of room back here.
128:32 By the way, that LTX 19 shirt, though. Yeah, damn, it's been a little worse for wear.
128:38 But for some reason, it's one of my favorite shirts. All right.
128:41 We have a couple of Floatplane things that we're supposed to do.
128:45 I owe Sammy a shout out for Floatplane.
128:49 But we finally filmed it special behind the scenes.
128:54 OK, so here, hold on. I'm supposed to click these things.
128:58 Oh, OK. So here's a behind the scenes of the intro. Am I supposed to play the whole thing?
129:02 Are these those like wooden ones that we've had forever? No, they got sharp ones for reasons that escape me.
129:09 They're actually sharp? Yeah. What? I don't know what we were thinking.
129:14 Is this the total? Is this the timestamp I'm supposed to go from? Let me just check what does Sammy want?
129:19 I don't know. OK. There's an. Oh, this is an unlisted short clip to watch on when.
129:24 Can we get an audio again? Yeah. Yeah.
129:28 This is great. I love that he's got a sword out and has his glasses right here.
129:35 The guy's so genuine, man. Ready?
129:39 One second. The flourish, dude.
129:42 This is awesome. There could be only one.
129:47 That was actually pretty good.
129:57 Oh, I'm so pissed, dude. Oh, my God.
130:07 So the way it's. Oh, he's salty. The way it's going to cut together
130:11 is I'm going to start the video like a perfectly normal video.
130:17 OK. Sure, Dan did that. I'm going to start the video like a perfectly normal video.
130:22 You guys may remember the time that we built Linus Torvald's computer.
130:26 Well, guess what? We're going to do it today with the man himself.
130:29 And then it cuts to him like the doors like open
130:33 and will have like the highlander style, like the electricity and get some rock music or whatever.
130:38 And he comes in and he does the flourish. There can be only one. We'll get the like and then it's going to cut to me.
130:45 And I'm going to be like and then it's going to go in.
130:49 And it's like and then it's going to go to the wide. And I'm going to have my sword out just like randomly.
130:53 It'll be like and then we'll cut to a shot where we're both
130:57 like right close to each other, the one that you guys saw. Right. Kind of like the last thing where we're like we're
131:02 like eye contact and it'll be like and then it'll cut to Elijah
131:06 just sitting on his chair being like or you could just build the PC together.
131:10 And we're like, Oh, yeah, yeah, that could work.
131:16 It's going to be fun. It's going to be great. I am I'm so excited for you guys to see this video.
131:22 And that gives you some idea of what a good sport he was.
131:25 Yeah. About the whole thing. Yeah.
131:29 Public clip of Luke getting his Floatplane signed signed
131:32 for his birthday. Oh, OK.
131:36 Screenshotting my DMS. Oh, it's at the end.
131:40 Someone on this account already watched it. Oh, that's hilarious. OK, hold on.
131:44 Oh, so this is like one second going to get it. OK, this is great.
131:48 This is great. So the plane is our is our video platform and Luke.
131:54 Dude, I was so nervous. Like anyway, so I feel bad because my signature is the
132:01 obvious thing ever.
132:05 Anyway, you guys will have to subscribe to Floatplane. You can get the whole thing, but I can show you the part
132:10 where I sign it. Hold on. Is that in here? Let's see.
132:13 Sure, but I'm going to sign it too. That's wild.
132:17 Ask him to guess which one is which.
132:20 Yeah, I mean.
132:27 Hey, I mean, it's the start of a thing. You could collect all the tech linuses.
132:31 Yeah, I think I already did. Yeah, nice.
132:34 Good job. You like one hundred percenting things.
132:41 You can check out the full videos at LMG.GG.
132:44 There's going to be another video where staff ask him
132:47 questions after the shoot. That'll be coming on Monday and there will probably be more.
132:52 Also, if you are subscribed to Floatplane, it ensures you
132:55 won't miss any of our Black Friday, Cyber Monday deals
132:58 because they are coming early for subscribers.
133:02 Okay.
133:05 Yeah, cool. I think that's it. Should we?
133:08 Oh my God. How long have we been live? Two hours.
133:13 We've only done two topics. Nice.
133:16 Yeah, I think it's merge messages time.
133:19 We're just about in one after dark.
133:23 No, we have a lot of topics left though. I know.
133:26 Oh my God. There's so many topics. Let's do maybe some CW stuff.
133:31 Merch massages. Let's not bother with the merge messages.
133:36 No, we have product launches and it is November.
133:40 We had a pretty slow September, October because that is not
133:45 the holiday shopping season and now it is the holiday
133:48 shopping season. We've got some announcements. If you guys missed the very beginning of the show, we are
133:55 adding a couple of big products to the RGB collection.
134:00 I like this one. We have this freaking sick navy sweater that is 100% cotton
134:07 knit with little multi-nep yarn flex.
134:10 So we'll probably get a better shot of it on this. Actually, Luke, can you fire up the site and then we can show
134:15 people what it looks like. It's got a clean, polished look.
134:18 It's great for the office, but colorful specs keep it fun
134:21 for holiday hangouts. And we also have, Luke, do you have that up already?
134:25 It's loading. Yeah, it's fine. I get it.
134:28 We also have the RGB beanie.
134:32 Yeah, there you go. There's the sweater. Wow, it really doesn't capture the color of that.
134:36 It's darker than that. It's darker than that. It's tough.
134:39 Get me a close-up of the multi-nep though. Please tell me that's on there.
134:42 There we go. Yes. So it's just a little touch of fun.
134:47 Little touch of fun, just like our RGB shirts have been in
134:50 the past. Then I'm going to go back to...
134:53 There we go. We also have our beanies in both black and gray and both
135:01 regular and short depths.
135:04 There you go. We've got the two different sizes. We've got the two different beanies.
135:08 And then Luke, if you want to fire up the product page there,
135:11 boom. Warm, cozy, and ties right in with the rest of the RGB lineup
135:15 or looks great on its own. Shop the RGB collection at LMG.GG slash RGB.
135:22 And while you're on the site, don't forget...
135:25 Actually, if you want to fire up the $100, blah, blah, thing at the top.
135:28 No, I'm on it. It's just going to take me a second. Cool.
135:31 Don't forget we have our holiday loot drop happening right now. Spend $100 or more and you could win a pair of Sennheiser
135:37 headphones or if you're really lucky, an ASUS ROG Xbox
135:41 Ally X.
135:44 And, but wait, there's more. We have our buy more, save more apparel deal running until
135:50 November 26th. You can save up to 25% when you stack apparel items.
135:57 Oh yeah, go ahead and click that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's good.
136:00 That one right there. So if you buy two items, I think it's...
136:03 Shoot, what is it? 10%? It shows, I think, if I click on one of the things.
136:06 There you go. You can see right here for your own reference. So mix and match two or more clothing items and save.
136:11 Two items is 10% off. Three is 15. Four is 20 and five plus items is 25.
136:16 So load it up. The cart to be clear. We've got printed t-shirts back in stock.
136:20 We've got these great new RGB products. You can find everything that's eligible at...
136:26 Oh, shoot. I don't actually see the link to everything that's eligible.
136:30 Well, you can go to the main site and then you can click this banner.
136:33 And then you want to scroll down real quick. The WAN hoodie is on fire.
136:37 People are loving the new WAN hoodie. Makes a lot of sense.
136:40 It's very cool. Well, it's everything with the Buy More Save More tag, I guess.
136:45 Yep. So there's actually a lot of stuff.
136:48 The underwear is actually flying off the shelves as well. I forgot how long we were out of stock.
136:53 Dude, it was a real... I'm restocking. It's been a long time.
136:57 Yeah, I know. So there's some pent-up demand.
137:00 Anyway, since we're live, I didn't mean to do that.
137:05 It was unintentionally quite good.
137:08 Nice. Quality Linus.
137:14 What was I going to say? Oh, yeah, right. And since we're live, now's a great time to place your order on LTT Store
137:19 because you can send a merge message. All you got to do is add something to your cart.
137:23 And then whenever we're live, there'll be a box where you can send a merge message.
137:27 This makes much more sense than Streaks.
137:30 Is that what it's called? That's... I don't know.
137:33 Hype Train. Hype Train. They did a Hype Train in Twitch chat because...
137:37 Watch this! Because we acknowledged them for the first time in years.
137:42 And I told them that's dumb. And what you should do if you want to throw money at your screen...
137:47 I mean, by all means, use your Prime membership or subscription or whatever they're called on Twitch.
137:52 Use that one. I don't care. But don't spend money on that.
137:55 Spend money on LTTStore.com where...
137:58 Whether we acknowledge your message by having Dan reply to it.
138:02 There he is. Or he forwards it to someone who can get you a better answer.
138:07 Or he throws it up on the screen like that one that's a bit up there.
138:11 Or he curates it for me and Luke to answer. You will still get high quality merchandise in the mail.
138:15 You can type a message. You can be anonymous or have your name show.
138:18 You can change the color of your merge message.
138:23 You will have to opt into email communication about your message if you have a question that Dan can't answer.
138:27 So that is sort of worth knowing. And then you go ahead and place your order.
138:31 Alright Dan, do you want to show us how merge messages works? Hit us with a couple.
138:34 Oh sure, we got lots today. Things are selling quite quickly.
138:37 Yep, it's that season. It is.
138:40 That time of year. Hello LLD. I finished my engineering degree.
138:43 Next year I'll do my master's degree. And I've been working for a month on my thesis about outside in tracking with RF.
138:51 What features are relevant here?
138:56 What? Features.
139:00 Are relevant here? This feels truncated.
139:04 Potentially, maybe.
139:07 I know that the new one uses cameras where some of the other ones use other forms.
139:14 Like the Oculus uses a different type.
139:17 And outside in with the original Oculus, I guess CV1 was camera.
139:23 Yes, that was cameras. And then lighthouses are laser if I remember correctly.
139:27 Yes. Man, but then technically light is RF.
139:33 Technically, isn't it?
139:36 So like...
139:39 Strange. Yeah, I'm sorry. I think this is truncated and I don't know if we're going to be able to answer that in any meaningful way.
139:50 Darn. Up next.
139:53 Okay. Yes. Let's do that.
139:57 Sorry. Favorite Taylor Swift song.
140:00 Okay. You're not going to give them anything good? Oh, do you just want to get through this quickly so we can do more topics and you can go home eventually?
140:06 Is that what this is about? What do you mean?
140:10 I thought we were moving on from that merge message. Did I miss something?
140:13 Favorite Taylor Swift song. I just mean, this is the most...
140:17 It's the most important week of LMG basically in years at this point because we have Linus Torvalds here
140:23 and we have the huge Steam announcement.
140:26 And you ask me what Taylor Swift song I like?
140:29 I mean, that's why they hid their name. It is anonymous because they don't know how to answer good questions.
140:34 You mean ask good questions? Yeah, sorry.
140:37 You're the one who doesn't know how to select good questions for us to answer.
140:40 I don't know. I thought you were a Swifty.
140:43 I mean, you're the dump truck. You share that?
140:46 Yeah. You're both blonde? I have never talked about...
140:49 I would never talk about Taylor Swift's butt, okay?
140:53 Sorry, thighs. Yes, we both have thighs.
140:56 We have that in common. Damn right you do. Yes.
140:59 That's something we both have in common. That goes crazy.
141:02 That's something we both have in common. That goes crazy.
141:05 That's something we both have in common. That's something we both have in common.
141:09 What I'm saying is factual.
141:14 They both have legs. You know what?
141:18 I'm going to go with one of her songs that speaks very strongly to me.
141:24 You need to calm down. I'm going to go with you need to calm down.
141:28 You like hearing that? It helps you? It speaks very strongly to you?
141:31 No, no, no, no, no. Linus Sebastian needs to calm down?
141:34 What? You just have no idea what you're talking about.
141:37 Dude, if this was a to everyone question, I literally don't know a single one of her songs.
141:43 I guarantee you do. No, I'm sure I know the song.
141:46 Romeo and Juliet. Sure. Yeah.
141:49 Or what's it called? I'm not going to know the names of them. Love Story, whatever.
141:52 I guarantee you I've heard her songs. I just don't know the names of them.
141:55 I see, I see. Apparently I don't either. I just called it Romeo and Juliet, some Swiftie I am.
142:00 Yeah, thigh reduction just happened.
142:03 Yeah. No, no, they're still there.
142:06 I have been losing weight though. I think I haven't been eating enough to keep up with how active I've been lately.
142:12 That's a thing. Yeah. I think I need to eat more.
142:15 I don't have time during the day though. I'm back on that.
142:18 On what? Not eating enough on purpose.
142:21 Oh, really? I'm back on the reduction train. You're cutting?
142:24 Yeah. Well, my wrist is so messed up I can't work out properly.
142:27 So it's like, well, time to do the other thing. Okay, fair enough.
142:30 Yeah. I was trying to think, it was very frustrating for a while and then I was just like, you know,
142:35 I'll just cut then. Yeah, make lemonade.
142:38 Yeah, exactly. It's fine. Beyonce style.
142:41 It's fine. I'll make it work. Yeah.
142:44 And I'll just get back to it when things are better. That's fine.
142:47 That was more like, was that a P Diddy thing?
142:51 I get it. Hold on, hold on. I'll be right back one second.
142:54 Ah, he's going to go do it.
143:01 I feel like giving someone else a ding just gave him a significant amount of dopamine.
143:05 Does he need his own bell? I was concerned for my dry sweater for a second there.
143:13 Oh, no. Gross.
143:16 Gross. How about another one?
143:19 Moving on. Okay, let's do one more. Hi, DLL.
143:22 How do you deal with issues of sibling rivalry, both in your kids for Linus and with your
143:27 siblings growing up? We have some more underwear. Stock win.
143:31 Are we out of stock? Did we sell them all? We sell them so quickly.
143:34 Did we really? Oh, people love them.
143:37 That sucks. I wanted some of those. I'm going to start submitting my dog requests for you.
143:45 Would you prefer that? No, I feel like we should use the like, is Luke going to buy it metric?
143:52 Because every time I want to buy something on the store, she's gone.
143:56 I think I'm going to cost you after the show and we will sit down and just put stuff in
144:02 there for you. Maybe. Damn it.
144:05 Okay. Anyway. Crap.
144:08 Yeah. Medium, large, and XL are all gone.
144:16 Which store are you on? Hold on. I'm on the USA Store.
144:19 There's still some more in stock on the USA Store. I'm on global.
144:22 Yeah. Medium, large, and XL, by the way.
144:26 It's not even just like one of them. It's both designs.
144:29 Yeah. Meanwhile, on the USA Store, it's medium, large, or out for the solid.
144:33 And it's just large out for the prism and confetti design.
144:38 Small is also sold out on the solid.
144:41 Okay. Well, anyway.
144:44 Of all the problems to have. Yeah.
144:47 No, no, no, no. Yeah. It's not the worst problem.
144:50 I know. Well, it's not a good problem. No, no.
144:53 It's not good, but it's...
144:58 It would be worse if no one wanted those. It's really hard to find the right balance when you're stocking.
145:03 Yes. And now that we have multiple distribution centers, it's even more challenging.
145:07 For sure. And it's only going to get more challenging in the future as, like, obviously, you know,
145:12 it's not like it's not occurred to us that it would get to have a European DC, for instance.
145:16 Oh, my... I'm getting roasted by Flipway Chat.
145:19 Oh. Seth Hyland asks, what percentage of LTT sales are during WAN Show?
145:24 Less than you'd probably think. A fair bit.
145:27 Like, WAN Show is a big driver. We often launch products on WAN Show, so that inflates the numbers a little bit.
145:33 But when we don't, it's not like we don't have other mechanisms for promoting new products
145:38 and stuff like that, and they'll still be quite strong.
145:42 No, it's a very serious business for us.
145:46 I mean, I think I meant... did I mention earlier on the show today that...
145:50 They got to meet Linus Torvalds with Homie? That we're finally doing How Does LMG Spend Money?
145:55 Oh, I don't know if you did or not. Did I talk about it last week?
145:58 Do you guys know about this already? Okay, yeah.
146:01 So basically, I've had more exposure to, you know, expense reports in the last week than
146:06 I probably have in the last five years, because I just don't really look that closely at that
146:10 stuff as part of my daily work. Sure.
146:13 And the merch business is huge.
146:17 On inventory, we spend millions and millions and millions of dollars a year.
146:22 It's crazy.
146:25 And it's so hard to get it right, to not overbuy, but not underbuy.
146:34 Especially when... I mean, you go on the store, and almost every product is a bespoke, created product.
146:42 Yeah, we really have no idea.
146:45 I was talking to someone about this recently. We really have no idea how to chill with things, like ever.
146:53 Why would we chill? Like ever, even when it would be totally fine.
146:58 We're like, nah. Yeah, nah. Why would we chill?
147:01 Let's make a pen, but instead of it being a normal pen.
147:07 Okay, this one is relatively low effort.
147:10 By the way, that was very cool. We can't really talk about where we were.
147:15 No, we can't at all. Or who we were talking to.
147:18 But Luke and I got on very, like, strong authority that PTM7950 is goaded.
147:28 Yes. Like, extremely strong. Pretty much.
147:31 Like, I can't tell you who it is, but the highest...
147:35 Pretty maximum strong. Authority. It was God.
147:38 And then there's this individual in terms of their authority on this subject.
147:44 It was pretty, it was pretty validating. I don't know if I disagree.
147:48 Yeah. Yeah. So that was, that was pretty cool.
147:55 Oh. Oh my God.
147:58 I won't leave me alone, dude. What?
148:01 What is this? Oh, charged nuclei said, and you let Luke meet them?
148:09 Just every time, every time you bring up anything.
148:14 It wasn't my fault, Luke. I didn't know. No, I know.
148:17 It was the person who recently left. I know.
148:20 I really, I would have fought for you if there was anything that could have been done.
148:23 You know I would have paid for you to get a flight back. I knew it was upcoming, but legitimately until that I think Thursday I had no idea it was
148:29 like the next week. I know, I'm sorry. It was way too late.
148:32 I mean, it is what it is. But at least you have that sign sign.
148:37 That is actually really cool. From both of us.
148:43 That sign is like one of my favorite things.
148:46 And then, yeah. I'm surprised you don't like the one for the Walmart.
148:50 No, that's super cool. Oh, I thought you like gave it back to me or something, didn't you?
148:54 I think, no, you asked me to store it. Yeah.
148:57 Because you didn't have anywhere to put it. Yes. Yeah, okay, never mind.
149:00 And I still have the plane too. I'm still like holding on to that for you.
149:04 That's yours. That's not mine. I don't like want it forever.
149:07 Luke, do you ever... It's not even a cool way though. Do you ever display the one of one thing that you have that I gave you from the place with
149:15 the people? No, that's secret. Good.
149:18 Okay. Do I know about that? You've seen it.
149:21 It unravels like that.
149:25 Oh, that, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you should never show anyone that.
149:29 That is private. Yeah, cool. Very private.
149:32 All right. What are we supposed to...
149:35 What was the word for message? Very behind. Right.
149:38 Sibling rivalry. Sibling rivalry, yeah. How do I put this...
149:42 How do I put this lightly? I don't really feel any rivalry with my siblings.
149:47 We've... You gotta not put the... How do I put this lightly first?
149:50 Well, no, I just... If you don't put the... How do I put this lightly first, then that statement is totally fine.
149:54 I think people could take it the wrong way though. I think by putting how do I put this lightly before it, people will now take it the wrong
150:00 way. And if you just didn't say that, it would have been...
150:03 No offense, but I actually have a pretty healthy relationship with my family.
150:07 Yeah. No, my point is that none of us have tried to achieve even remotely the same things.
150:13 Like, my siblings have zero interest in being an online influencer across the board.
150:19 Zero. So, like, how do you measure that kind of...
150:25 Yeah. Like, there's no rivalry there.
150:29 Yeah. And like... It's also...
150:32 Yeah, like wildly different types of success.
150:35 Yeah. And I mean, it's...
150:39 If I'm looking at my sibling rivalry, I think my brother has achieved very immense levels
150:46 of success. In very different things. He got the exact career that he wanted.
150:51 Yep. In the exact way that he wanted it and is excelling with it.
150:54 Seems to be nailing it on the family side. Nailing on the family side.
150:57 Pun intended. He's got a couple kids. He's got...
151:00 Yeah. Yeah. And that's all going pretty well.
151:03 Sorry, Rich. Little graphic, but... You won't mind.
151:06 I know. So, like, yeah, I don't see any...
151:10 I hear what you're saying. It's completely different realms. Yep.
151:14 Yeah. Yeah. Luke informed me you're good at it.
151:18 In ways that make sense to him and to you, but not to the audience right now, so...
151:23 No further elaborate... I'm just going to be taken... What?
151:26 Extremely weirdly. I almost feel like I need to explain that now. No, I'm uncunkable.
151:30 I don't think you can. I don't think you can. I don't think you should.
151:33 We've got Linus' thighs and now this. What's going on?
151:37 I don't think you can. The success rate was high. It's like the chicken.
151:41 No, it's not like the chicken. Our family's just... It's not like the chicken.
151:45 It's nothing like chicken.
151:51 Chicken is chicken, not...
151:56 Chicken pregnant. I mean, you could check on.
151:59 I think that's allowed.
152:02 And we're cooked.
152:08 Why did Linus Torvult ever agree to work with us?
152:15 Because he never heard of our channel. Never seen the WAN Show.
152:19 There's no way. There's no way he's ever seen the WAN Show. I actually specifically asked him if he looked into any controversies around us and he said
152:27 he explicitly doesn't, which used to be my policy.
152:32 I'm happy that hasn't bit him in the butt. And then I collabed with Hassan and collabed with Tumad and I was on a bit of a streak
152:42 there for a bit. You were, yeah. I do really hate where if there's literally any level of contact, people assume that you've
152:52 done deep dives on everyone around. That's insane and needs to stop.
152:56 Or that you agree with them on everything? Yeah. Now, literally every single thing they've ever said, you now fullheartedly agree with.
153:03 There's people I know and am friends with where I can name a multitude of things that
153:07 I don't agree with them on. I feel like that should be fairly normal.
153:11 But anyways, that's a whole other topic. Let's go.
153:14 Oh yeah. XCC. There you go.
153:17 Nice. And to be clear, I'm not saying that I like hate those people or whatever.
153:24 I'm just saying that. They just have been controversial figures. I didn't research them at all and I didn't realize that they were quite polarizing.
153:32 Yeah. That's all I'll say. Yeah.
153:35 Because that's all that needs to be said. I think we came out of those fairly unscathed.
153:38 Yeah. I think so. I think so.
153:41 Yeah. I think the one that there was the most concern about was Tumad.
153:45 Yes. And I was just like, yeah, what? He bombed some Zoom calls at that point.
153:50 I think he got more controversial later. I think that's true.
153:54 We also kind of, I think, I think all of those figures.
153:57 I think every single, every single collab in that collab streak has become more controversial
154:04 over time. I think that's true. But I think they were people who that was to a certain degree their shtick.
154:11 So it was somewhat inevitable. And I think, yeah, I'm actually ex, I can't tell.
154:20 Oh my God, AJ, did you make it admin only?
154:30 Don't add more admin only emotes. Did he seriously add the you being upset about the birthday song?
154:36 I absolutely did not send it to him on teams so that he could do that.
154:41 Oh my God, this is amazing. Oh, you probably, oh, you probably need that new command.
154:49 What's the, you're going to need a new command.
154:53 What is the, what is the command for it? Cash clear cash with a capital C, how do I, how do I type this?
155:01 Oh yeah, the spam has begun.
155:06 Cash cleared. No, no, no, no, no, for the first C is lowercase, the second key is C is capital.
155:13 Oh, everybody's doing it wrong. My bad. I said it.
155:16 I said it poorly. It's, it's clear all lowercase and then capital C.
155:21 Cash. All right, C-A-S-H.
155:26 As for sibling rivalry with my kids, I think we, why would you do this?
155:32 People are actually doing it. Why would you do that? It's great.
155:35 That's, that's how I get all their money from LTT Store. They type clear cash, it all comes to me, they clear their cash.
155:41 It reups their subscription every single time. Yeah.
155:45 This is the real life train. As for, as for kids, same thing.
155:49 My kids don't aspire to the same things. Like they're, they're very, very different.
155:54 I'd say that with the daughters, it's, it's something that we're going to be paying more
155:59 and more close attention to as they like hit puberty and stuff.
156:02 And they start to, you know, think about body image and stuff like that.
156:06 But so far it hasn't really been a major issue.
156:09 Like it's not like, it's not like my daughter's care that my son's team went 36 and 0 for
156:15 volleyball this year. Based.
156:18 The, the gym coach who's been there long enough to, long enough that, oh, how do I say
156:27 this? No, she doesn't help you. Oh, basically she's been there a very long time and she said to her knowledge, no team
156:34 at the school has ever had an undefeated season in any grade in any sport, which was
156:40 pretty cool. So they, they went completely undefeated this year.
156:44 That's epic. Just swept everything. Unfortunately, there were no provincials for his grade volleyball this year.
156:50 Oh, but there will be at higher grades, but there will be at higher grades. So he's, um, so he's, he's getting pretty, he's getting pretty into it.
156:59 I told him, I told him, don't forget about badminton. Don't forget to play with me. Sometimes people are typing slash.
157:06 Yeah, that'll just unlock everything. That makes sense.
157:11 And I don't know when more underwear stock is coming. I'm sorry. Okay. We should move on to a new topic.
157:16 Microsoft exact says Windows is evolving into an agentic OS and gets cooked in the
157:24 replies, although in fairness, Windows 11 start menu does seem like it's getting a
157:31 pretty good redesign. How's that in fairness? I mean, they're doing something, something positive.
157:37 I think it's, but also. Sure. Microsoft's current head of Windows, Pavan Daveluri posted on X to say that the future
157:44 of the platform is one that is evolving into an agentic OS. The tweet has seen pushback with various opinions, pretty much all stating the same
157:52 thing. Nobody wants to use Windows primarily through an AI middleman.
157:57 The Windows start menu is receiving its first significant makeover since 2021 and
158:01 will be delivered to all users as part of the November 11th update.
158:05 I do like it more. The menu is now scrollable. Uh, here, do you want it?
158:09 Sure. So you can move through your apps in one place and the interface is now larger with
158:13 a responsive layout that adapts to the screen size automatically.
158:16 However, you cannot resize it manually for comparison.
158:21 Yeah. The start settings page is being updated and will no longer feature the layout option.
158:27 If you disable all the recommended settings, you'll also have the ability to hide the recommended section of the start menu, which honestly is probably good.
158:33 I don't need recommendations for what it was that I was hoping to open right now
158:38 because you have no way of knowing that.
158:41 Um, I'm going to kill our discussion question here.
158:44 And we're just going to kind of move on because yeah, that's all I think I really
158:49 feel the need to say about that. Oh, this one doesn't have a header so I can't collapse it.
158:55 Downer. Um, Luke, do you want to pick one?
158:59 Sure. Uh, let's talk about Ubisoft.
159:03 Oh, no. Okay.
159:06 Okay, like it would do in a throwback to the old house.
159:10 Keep on digging. Yeah, we had this thing on WAN Show.
159:14 It's been a very long time where there was just, it felt like every week.
159:18 Yeah. Six months, like I don't know how long it was a long time is every, every week,
159:25 every other week at least there was some terrible news out of Ubisoft or they
159:30 were doing something awful, which was insane because that was also at like a
159:34 pretty fairly peak time for Ubisoft. That was like Assassin's Creed four and like, like all these like really big,
159:40 like their games are doing well, but they were just doing really horrible
159:44 things. Yeah. Or like the launch would be super buggy and they'd fix it later, but it was
159:48 just like unnecessary floating eyeballs and stuff that was like slightly later
159:53 than what I was talking about, but definitely still during keep on digging. Yeah. So we even made a shirt.
159:57 It had a shovel on it. Nick Van Burkle designed it. That was back when just like we didn't have designers.
160:03 We just had our video editors who had some familiarity with like talented people.
160:07 Yeah. The Adobe suite. So anyway, all right. What's up with Ubisoft right now?
160:11 Ubisoft delayed its half year earnings report, which is a really big deal for
160:15 public companies and requested halted trading until its release on Thursday,
160:21 November 13th, the day Ubisoft was to release its half year.
160:27 Yeah. The day of crazy was to release its half year 2025, 2026 earnings report.
160:33 The company instead announced a delay and requested a halt to the trading of
160:38 its shares and bonds on Euro next.
160:43 All right. Engach, it says delays to earning reports may happen due to accounting issues,
160:49 but speculates halting trading of the company's shares could portend major news
160:55 such as a sale or Ubisoft becoming a private entity again.
160:59 Oh, interesting. Tencent recently took a 25% stake of new Ubisoft subsidiary Vantage Studios,
161:08 which now manages the company's major titles like Assassin's Creed, Far Cry and Rainbows.
161:12 Why would they do that? That's weird because they want to own gaming.
161:18 No. Why would why would Ubisoft split off their major titles into a subbrand?
161:24 Because Ubisoft is f***ed.
161:27 Oh, so sync the bad ship.
161:31 Move everything else off and do a OK.
161:34 All right, makes sense. There was talk of Tencent taking Ubisoft private last year.
161:39 Yikes. This follows contract buyouts for some employees of the company just last month.
161:46 This is the kind of like financial
161:49 finangling that means that no matter how poorly managed a company is,
161:53 once it's big enough, it almost feels like there's no consequences for the
161:56 leadership because they can just make moves and then.
162:02 Yeah, keep shoveling money into the sacks of money that they sleep on, presumably.
162:07 Like, yeah, the individual developers will suffer in all of this,
162:11 like sort of reorg acquisition nonsense. But the actual the leadership that put them in a position
162:17 where they weren't profitable enough to just keep doing what they were doing
162:20 in the first place, if anything, will probably benefit.
162:25 I, I, yeah, I, I saw a comment go by about this,
162:30 but I also had the thought and I lost the comment. So I can't see the person's name, so sorry.
162:34 But the new game industry, Canada.
162:39 Yikes. Oh, yeah. EA is now purchased.
162:42 Yep. Ubisoft is. Well, let's see. But something clearly something funky something.
162:48 Yeah. Yeah. Star Eye says China, Ubisoft and Saudi EA crazy times pretty much.
162:54 Yikes. We should probably do sponsor spots at some point here.
162:59 This is or not carry on. Not you can go for it.
163:03 I was going to have a conversation about like the industries that you can get into in Canada and how that's like.
163:08 I had a conversation on a recent trip about.
163:12 OK, I didn't realize Adreno.
163:18 Radeon.
163:23 Oh.
163:29 Oh, yeah. Wasn't it a magic on? Didn't they like acquire that IP or something from AMD?
163:34 And hold on. There was some speculation that they might have acquired some part of ATI.
163:41 Imagine on previously. ATI. Imagine on was a series of media co-processors.
163:45 Hold on. Hold on. Produced by ATI later AMD.
163:49 AMD later sold it to Qualcomm in 2009. Yeah.
163:52 So that's where Adreno comes from. I actually didn't realize that was where Adreno came from.
163:57 Had no idea. I thought Imagine on was a cooler name personally.
164:01 Imagine on is pretty cool. Yeah. But anyways, Adreno comes from there.
164:06 But ATI was Canadian for people that don't know.
164:10 Yeah. We also had Nortel.
164:13 Blackberry. A lot of our. But yeah, sure.
164:17 A lot of our used to be able to get a rim job in Canada. No problem.
164:20 And now there are no rim jobs. We even exported rim jobs.
164:26 But yeah, a lot of our tech has been bought and moved away.
164:30 Yep. Now our gaming industry is being bought and moved away.
164:34 Undo P. And it's like, what do you go to school for to get into industry for in Canada now?
164:42 There is still a lot of stuff. You get into medical care and then you move.
164:45 That is a space that is getting worse over time.
164:50 And that's not good. And I hope we start doing things to start.
164:55 Flow plain chat. You got to get your mind out of the gunner. Okay.
164:58 It's a research in motion job. Yeah. What are you talking about?
165:03 Grow up. What are they even talking about? Grow up.
165:06 What is it though? I'm not going to tell you. Your virgin mind cannot.
165:15 Virgin tongue. Anyways, I'm sad about this. There have been, oh, wow.
165:21 There are a lot of Ubisoft games that I've really loved over the years.
165:26 Anno is fantastic. I've been a huge fan of the Assassin's Creed line.
165:31 A bunch of the especially. I don't know how much credit Ubisoft can take for Anno.
165:36 Yeah, sure. Fair enough. Yeah. Like that team's been around killing it since like the 90s.
165:43 And as far as I know, they're like kind of isolated.
165:46 Yeah, Ubisoft just publishes for them as far as I can tell. Oh, I didn't actually realize it was that separated.
165:52 My bad. Anno game. I thought they were a thing within, but I don't, I've not like looked this up.
166:00 Oh, apparently some Anno games have been developed by Ubisoft Bluebyte.
166:07 German video game holding company owned by Ubisoft was founded in blah, blah, blah.
166:10 So I thought they were just all max design.
166:14 I didn't realize there was even two. So I don't know.
166:19 Oh, no defunct 2004. Okay. Yeah. It shows you what I know. Actually.
166:22 Okay. Nope. Nope. Wait. By sunflowers and collaboration with related to the next thing again.
166:29 Based in Schladming.
166:33 But company is best known for creating the Anno series. The company was closed down in 2004.
166:37 Okay. Yep. It shows you what I know. It's been a while. But anyways, they've made a lot of games that I have really loved.
166:44 But the way the company has been run has always been highly questionable.
166:47 Hence the old keep on digging memes.
166:50 The creation of Ubisoft Connect or whatever the heck it's even called now.
166:54 You play was pretty whack.
167:00 There's been a lot of things that have just been like
167:05 not great. So I'm not surprised they're in a tough spot,
167:09 but it sucks to lose even more Canadian industry.
167:13 And I understand like it's not like EA just like deleted their offices in Canada or anything, but
167:20 I wouldn't be surprised if the focus shifted. Yeah. I know it's about as Ubisoft as it gets.
167:25 It looks like.
167:28 Developer for Anno 1800 is Ubisoft Bluebyte.
167:31 Yep. So it's it's first party. Yep. Sorry about that. Max Design only did the first two back in 1998 and 2002.
167:38 Make sure I get that right for you guys. I didn't play those ones.
167:44 So yeah, I was honestly mostly sad.
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172:39 All right, there you go, Dan. Yeah, no, it's not about going home.
172:43 We're just two and a half hours in. Is that the problem?
172:46 It's two and a half hours in. You want to go home? You know that we like doing seven hour WAN shows.
172:50 The audience, you know, I really, yeah.
172:54 You really, yeah. One time. Thank you, Luke. Wow. I want us to start relatively close to on time and go past midnight.
173:03 One time. Why? I'm not saying it has to be now.
173:07 That's too long. Do you need a why? You need to listen to WAN Show for that long. It's not about that.
173:10 It's literally nobody. Somebody's going to want to. Literally nobody. Look how many people have tuned out already.
173:14 See the graph? It's gone down. They're bored. They're tired of us.
173:18 And I don't blame them. That's okay. Look at us. That's okay.
173:21 It's another podcast with a bunch of white dudes.
173:25 A lot of the same flavor of ice cream.
173:28 Vanilla, baby. Just a lot of vanilla. Vanilla. It's just the color of the hair in your vanilla ice cream.
173:33 Would you like darker hair in your vanilla ice cream? End of lot.
173:37 Yeah, there's so much.
173:41 Why is there so much hair in this ice cream?
173:47 It's entirely too much. It's mostly hair with some vanilla.
173:51 I mean, none of them are balding and they all have beards. What's happening right now?
173:57 My question is where should the hair come from?
174:00 Is it time to get an office cat? Yeah.
174:04 I went to grab a granola bar from the cupboard before the WAN Show today
174:10 and my first two attempts, the package had been opened
174:14 by what appeared to be rodent teeth. Yeah. Did I tell you about the one time I took a meeting on the WAN set?
174:20 No. I had to get a meeting. A meeting with Taryn went a little bit long.
174:24 So I couldn't make it over the lab. I needed somewhere to sit.
174:28 I checked the conference room, conference room taken. I don't have time to just keep checking all the different areas.
174:32 So I just ran out of the WAN set because I knew it would be free. I had a meeting here.
174:36 I had to take a picture really quick for the WAN hoodie
174:39 and I picked up that sign, your A plus sign and held it in front of me.
174:44 And there was, I think, three spiders on the back and they just left me alone.
174:48 So I just held it with them there, put it back. Then while I was taking the meeting, sitting on the set,
174:52 I saw not one but two different mice running around the set.
174:58 We could use a cat. We could maybe use two cats, one for each building.
175:02 Of each major building? So we used to have an employee that not only was quite allergic to cats,
175:09 but not willing to overcome it, like not into cats.
175:13 Got it. I think we would have to, maybe this could be a subject for the All Hands on Monday.
175:18 Maybe we could, maybe we could just basically go.
175:22 Is anyone going to Health Reasons Veto a Cat?
175:25 Well, we can't do that in public. We would have to allow them to do it privately.
175:29 Give us, let us know. Yeah, let us know.
175:32 Yeah. But otherwise, we think we should, we think we need some cats.
175:37 We could use something. The lab is infested by flies.
175:42 It's been the solution for thousands of years. Yeah, literally.
175:45 At this point, you know, little houses that they go into or whatever,
175:49 we're reinventing the wheel. The wheel is a cat. Yeah.
175:53 So, okay. All right. I, at this point, I'm looking at it going, okay, and if someone does object to it,
176:04 I think I would want to kind of talk to them and go, okay, well, like, here's the issue.
176:08 Like, are the allergies worse than, because we clearly can't get the rodents under control?
176:14 Maybe. And maybe. And maybe the answer is yes. So, the answer could absolutely be yes.
176:18 And that would be fine. Yeah. It depends on the severity. Yeah. But are the allergies worse than the risk of, like, rodent infestation being a health hazard?
176:26 Because we've tried. We've got traps fricking everywhere. That's pretty bad.
176:30 They are. But it's a huge space. They literally ran past one.
176:33 So much clutter. I was trying to get a video to prove that I saw two separate mice on the WAN Show set.
176:39 And while trying to film them, which I failed to do because they were quick,
176:44 I didn't think of it fast enough. I saw one of the traps that they've just very clearly ran past.
176:49 Yeah. All right.
176:53 I think it's, I think it might be time.
176:56 Arrakis says ferrets are better mousers and are rarely an allergy concern.
177:00 Yeah, but they stink. Stinky. Yeah. Stinky litter box.
177:04 Whereas cats are, we could get a couple of robot litter boxes.
177:08 There's a few people that have said that would be a bad idea, but I haven't seen a single person say why I do have cat allergies.
177:13 And it can cause massive long-term issues.
177:17 Massive long-term issues. I've never heard of a cat allergy. Causing long-term issues.
177:21 Yeah. Neither of us know what's going on. So this might just, you know, not be able to be a thing.
177:26 Yeah. And if it's not able to be a thing, then it won't be a thing. Keep having mice or we'll put out more traps or maybe both.
177:32 Yeah. Can you get one of those hairless ones?
177:36 Oh, I'd be so down. It's the hair that- I'd be so down. We could get a Peterbald. Isn't it the like dandruff or whatever that's usually the issue?
177:41 The dander. But they, they apparently have like way less.
177:46 Yeah. Peterbald. Let's go. Hyproallergenic.
177:50 Apparently you can also give them food, which reduces it. So maybe you get one of these and the food.
177:55 Peterbald. Good. Look at them.
178:00 It's the saliva, not the hair. Wouldn't that make it easier to deal with it?
178:04 Yeah. Because they don't have to lick themselves as much, I think. The, the hairless ones.
178:10 Peterbald. I don't know what's going on.
178:13 They're not truly hypoallergenic because the blah, blah, blah.
178:17 Well, their lack of fur can mean less shedding. And therefore fewer airborne allergens.
178:20 A person with a cat allergy can still have a reaction to the proteins in their saliva.
178:23 This is all AI though. So who knows. There are breeds that are supposed to have less.
178:31 I like Elijah's plan. Can we give everyone a gun to shoot the mice? This isn't Texas.
178:35 That's a-
178:38 Airgun? It's Canada. Well, because of the marifles. Yeah. As long as it's under 495 feet per second, sure.
178:44 No problem. They're gonna test it. Is it 495? I can't remember.
178:47 I don't know. Paintball guns. Carrette said, I'm omega allergic to cats.
178:52 We'll break out in hives. I imagine other people are as well.
178:55 It's possible. Surprising to me how common that is.
178:59 Interesting. Apparently allergies kind of had like a peak when we were kids.
179:04 And apparently some of them are actually declining now. Like peanut allergies are on the decline now.
179:11 Because parents are being encouraged to expose their kids earlier or something.
179:16 I was reading about that the other day. Pretty wild. Yeah, dude. This is such a crazy fact.
179:21 Try Lumen in full plane chat said there's no rats in Alberta. Have you seen the rat population map of the world?
179:26 Yeah, it's pretty funny. It's nuts. I actually brought that up with Linus Torvalds.
179:30 His comeback was, oh, even rats don't want to live there.
179:34 I was like, wow, damn. Shots fired.
179:37 He seems funny. I've seen some of his stuff. Oh yeah, he's super funny.
179:40 Oh, there we go. There's just an Alberta sized hole.
179:50 Incredible. Oh yeah. Wow. I did have it right. 495 FPS is the below maximum until it's considered a firearm in Canada.
180:00 Neat. I love this website that I found.
180:05 Cities without rodents in the world. Alberta, Canada.
180:12 Not a city, but OK.
180:16 Good try. Yeah. Solid effort. Yeah. Oh, man.
180:21 Google will allow experienced users to install Android apps that were made by
180:27 unverified developers. Google is walking back their plan to lock down sideloading on Android.
180:32 It's good news. In August, the company announced that starting next year,
180:36 Android users would only be able to install apps made by verified developers.
180:40 Now Google is saying that experienced users will still be able to install apps from wherever
180:45 they want, although it will take a few extra steps and a handful of warnings.
180:50 Google claims that the idea here is to curb malware without completely shutting the door
180:54 on Android's openness. The change appears to be a response to heavy pushback from developers, industry groups,
181:01 and everyday users who just didn't love Google deciding what trusted means.
181:06 For good reason. The discussion question here is, how do you combat companies just arbitrarily determining
181:13 what an experienced user is or a trusted app?
181:17 Because that's the one thing where I said, what does it mean? What are experienced users?
181:21 Experienced user means that you can navigate some prompts.
181:27 Basically what I'm imagining, because they've already got warnings.
181:30 So I'm imagining that maybe you have to do something that's kind of hidden,
181:34 like the tap five times to become a developer or whatever thing.
181:37 That's, I'm imagining right now. Overall, I see this as a positive step and I'm going to try not to be pessimistic about it.
181:44 You gotta get those braces fixed, man.
181:48 When can you, when can you get it done? How long is it going to be?
181:51 What am I supposed to do? What would you have me do? Get the, is it just the rubbers?
181:56 Is it even that? What is going on? What, what is the effect?
182:00 What is discovered? I do not put rubbers in my mouth. What is it?
182:05 At least not unaccompanied. Wow.
182:09 Wow.
182:12 Who is it? So right now. I don't wear those. It's dentist.
182:19 So who cares who? You have one that isn't miscolored in the middle of two that are discolored.
182:24 So I can explain that. I can explain that.
182:28 So right now they are, I have a stronger bar in the top than I did a week ago.
182:35 They put like a thicker one in and in order to keep my teeth from separating,
182:42 like shifting apart, they put what's called a power chain on it and basically,
182:47 I know, right? Instead of individual elastics, it's a chain of elastics that holds the bar in place
182:53 and also keeps the teeth together. So that's across the front.
182:58 The power chain is not available in all the like fun colors that you can put on
183:01 if you get the individual ones. As far as I know, anyway, I actually didn't ask.
183:05 I've just been putting on the clear or the white ones up until now.
183:08 But what's actually causing the discoloration problem. Oh yeah. So the white ones will discolor, especially with very colorful food.
183:16 So the issue is that I had nothing but curry for three days.
183:19 So. Which is wild. Well, we asked, we ordered too much and my kids didn't want it.
183:24 So what I'm going to do, throw it away, waste it. Would you have me waste chicken?
183:27 No. Oh, no. That's what I'm talking about. Especially not now.
183:32 And I ate all the chicken. Good. So the chicken was consumed.
183:36 Exactly. 100% success eating the chicken.
183:43 In addition to that, I have this, I have this like semi permanent wax,
183:50 like glue kind of thing that they paint on top of these brackets.
183:56 And then they cure with a UV light. It seems to be pretty susceptible to curry stain.
184:02 And that's why this one fell off. Oh wait. So it's not the power thing.
184:08 So that will turn color as well, but I've only had that for a week.
184:12 So it's actually the glue that's on top. And if I don't wear it, these ceramic brackets, they sit super proud off the tooth.
184:23 And I don't think, yeah, I don't, I don't think you'll be able to tell, but you can go for it.
184:33 Oh, that's rough. Oh, that's really rough. They are ludicrously sharp.
184:38 That's rough. Like I've had braces before.
184:42 Yeah. The metal ones. Those are, you've mentioned that they're proud off the tooth.
184:45 Those are crazy. And so they sit prouder off the tooth and they are ridiculously sharp.
184:52 And they're sharp. They have sharp corners and they're ceramic.
184:55 They're not smooth. They have a kind of a texture.
184:59 It feels like they should have been able to solve the sharpness. You would think so.
185:03 That's nuts. I'm surprised this isn't like a more widely known issue because I can't imagine how that wouldn't irritate the inside of me.
185:10 So as far as I can tell, the company that makes these helps there be positive media about it.
185:21 But you can find people complaining about how sharp they are.
185:25 But I didn't Google it. I just was like, oh yeah, I don't know, 3D printed ceramic and it's faster.
185:30 Yeah, let's do that one. I strongly regret the choice that I made.
185:35 The inside of my mouth is always shredded and these glue things they'll stay on.
185:40 I can't imagine how it wouldn't be. Anywhere from a week to like a month.
185:46 And then I, but like my ortho has been pretty good about it. I can go in.
185:49 I can just drop in. I don't have to make an appointment. I can go in anytime and get them to reapply them.
185:55 But literally, if it meant that my teeth could not look yellow,
186:00 I don't even care because I'm going to have that glue on my teeth.
186:04 And I'm going to keep eating butter chicken. So go fuck yourself.
186:08 Is there some, can you discolor it with something else?
186:12 Because yellow is particularly rough. Would I look better purple?
186:16 Like what are you even getting at here? I think I should eat beets.
186:19 I think so. Because like in your peripheral view, it's just like a glow of yellow.
186:26 Yeah, I saw some comments. So, so there were, there were some new, some new folks watching the, uh,
186:32 the steam frame and steam machine videos. Those were far and away out performers for our channel.
186:37 So there's been some kind of new viewers coming in or people who haven't been around for a while.
186:41 And so there was more than, you know, with the core audience that watches all the time,
186:46 comments on the braces or some that I apparently don't brush my teeth.
186:50 It's like, no, no, I brushed my teeth. I, in fact, I have to work very hard to brush my teeth
186:54 because of my stupid orthodontics that are all over them. But it's okay.
186:59 It'll only be another year.
187:05 You want your teeth to be yellow for a year, dude? No.
187:08 Yeah. I don't want it. I wonder like someone's, someone's suggested Kool-Aid.
187:14 Kool-Aid. To color them a different color?
187:18 Why would I do that? I'm not going to do that.
187:21 I'm not going to do that. The green, would that be better?
187:24 Red? What would you prefer? Pink. You pick a pink.
187:28 Pink teeth would look better. No, that would follow your style. That would look diseased.
187:33 Yeah. There's no proper color for teeth except white or a little bit yellow.
187:38 Those are the only natural colors for teeth. I'm sorry. That's not a little bit yellow, dude.
187:43 The curry was worth it. It was delicious.
187:47 It's like the yellow in the mountain on your Starry Night shirt.
187:52 It's like that yellow. It's, it's not slightly yellow.
187:58 Actually, I have a bar of yellow. Hold on. It's like, it's like in here.
188:05 You start G76. Okay.
188:09 Outstanding. They use different recipes at some of the locations,
188:12 so I can't really speak to any of the ones other than-
188:15 I love that he just takes a photo standing in front of it, and it's mostly of him.
188:19 Other than Suri's store. Yep. That's incredible.
188:23 This guy, I- That's so good. I asked the staff if he's like this in person,
188:27 and they were like, yep. He's just wearing a Gucci jacket in one of them.
188:31 He is apparently- Wait, he's not in these. He is apparently exactly like this.
188:36 That sucks. He's exactly like you would imagine.
188:39 And this is the kind of like decor they have. I don't know if they have any pictures of the insides of the restaurants,
188:43 but like they always have Mr. Bean playing in this one on the,
188:47 on the TV. That's awesome. Like the animated Mr. Bean. It's, I don't know.
188:50 It's super weird, but it's good, good curry. There's one showing up in Langley City.
188:54 Nice. I'm excited about that. Solid. Solid.
188:57 You start G76. Quality. My favorite Indian food place is gone.
189:02 Oh, really? Which one? Masala Indian Bistro. Oh, bummer.
189:05 Yeah. Yeah. My, my old favorite was actually taken over by Ustad G,
189:10 and I got lucky because it's even better. It used to be called taste of Punjab, that one.
189:14 And then Ustad G came in and put some artificial turf up on the walls.
189:19 Okay. So literally every single time the full plane team visits,
189:22 we go to Masala. Yeah. AJ is pointing out our tradition.
189:26 We go to Masala every time because it's like a few of their favorite restaurants,
189:29 but like especially Jonathan, but like a few of people's favorite restaurants.
189:32 And I don't think any of them knew it was permanently closed yet. But yeah. Give me out Ustad G76.
189:38 Maybe. Yeah, we'll have to, we'll have to do something because Masala,
189:42 I call it Masala, but there's a bunch of, he is a G.
189:46 It does kind of fit. It does really fit.
189:49 Like how dye does that facial hair?
189:53 Yeah.
189:56 But yeah, it's gone. AJ, if you, if you, if you Google it, it's gone.
190:00 And it was really highly rated and I honestly don't know why it's gone.
190:06 So I hope it's for some good reason. Yeah, probably not.
190:10 Probably not. They had a lot of people there. It was really good.
190:14 Very good. Speaking of good reasons, Jack Dorsey felt he had a good reason to fund Devine,
190:22 a Vine reboot that includes Vine's video archive and band's AI content.
190:27 However, they're going to enforce that. Jack Dorsey is backing Devine, a reboot of Vine through his nonprofit
190:34 and other stuff, which is interesting because Twitter owned the old Vine before shutting
190:39 it down in January of 2017. The app was created by current and other stuff and former Twitter employee,
190:47 Evan Henshaw Plath, aka Rabble, using data previously stored by archive team,
190:54 which is also not the same as the archive.org team. Rabble was able to restore 150 to 200,000 original Vines from 60,000 creators who can
191:02 contact him if they want to take control of their reconstructed accounts.
191:07 Devine breaks from its short-form video brethren by banning AI-generated content.
191:12 It'll use tech from the human rights nonprofit, The Guardian Project,
191:15 to confirm that a clip was truly captured on a smartphone.
191:19 I mean, okay, I wish them, does that work really good?
191:23 Anyone? No idea. Plus, because it's built on Noster, a decentralized protocol favored by Dorsey,
191:29 and is open source. Okay, I'm actually starting to think it might be cool. Developers can set up and create their own apps and run their own hosts,
191:34 relays, and media servers. You know what? You know what? How did that suddenly get really cooler at the end?
191:39 That started pretty sh**t, and now I'm open to it.
191:44 That was really fast. I think that's about the fastest I've had my mind changed on something in recent times.
191:52 Okay, all right, Dorsey, I'll bite.
191:55 Not everything you've done has been super-duper amazing across the board.
192:01 If we want another weird update that's like sort of related to this,
192:07 this page got an update. Dig?
192:10 Dig got an update. We talked about this a while ago, that they were launching Dig again,
192:14 but now there's like a tagline for it. Humanity at the Core Technology at the Edges.
192:18 We're building a human-first community platform that places authentic community and connection
192:22 at the forefront from day one. I got an invite. I've been too busy to actually sign up for it, but I got an invite for this,
192:28 so maybe I'll be able to check it out and we can talk about it later.
192:32 But it's interesting.
192:36 Man, Reddit has so much inertia. Oh, yeah.
192:41 Wouldn't even describe it as momentum. It's more like inertia.
192:44 It just has this like mass that is just, it's impossible to replicate for a new platform.
192:53 Yeah. Our discussion question for the Vine thing, D-Vine, is how a short form video evolved
193:00 since Vine's departure? I mean, honestly, is it? It's pretty similar.
193:03 Yeah, I think it's pretty similar. It's less meme-y and funny, and it's a little bit more.
193:10 Definitely more addictive. Yeah. Like the masters of it have had a lot more time to master it.
193:17 Dude, it's still fascinating that Vine, sorry, ever shut down.
193:22 Fascinating. Gotta be one of the craziest fumbles ever.
193:26 Periscope, sure. What was its value add?
193:30 Vine, though, was wild. I mean, I didn't care about Vine.
193:34 But so many people did. Some of the most popular videos on YouTube when Vine was around was Vine compilation.
193:42 Yeah, like TikTok now. It's a part of my personality. Yeah, like, yeah.
193:47 Yeah, I don't know. Like, I have to confess, I didn't really get it. I didn't really care, didn't care about short form video.
193:53 But it's clear that a lot of people did. I mean, I guess the idea was just to migrate those users to Twitter.
194:00 But then it was never quite the same.
194:05 It's just it really captured, like when we're talking Silicon Valley and capturing eyeballs,
194:09 it like really captured eyeballs.
194:12 I don't know if capping people at six seconds is still going to be interesting.
194:18 I don't know if that's going to work. That was sort of some of its downfall.
194:22 It did improve some of the quality because you actually had to construct a narrative in six seconds.
194:29 A lot of people I've heard recently complain about TikTok because you'll, it'll be like a one minute video and they just kind of never get to the point.
194:35 You have to construct something in six seconds. But yeah, how do you monetize it?
194:39 CatOS points out they did get rid of that in the near the end.
194:43 And then what's the point? It's just TikTok. But yeah, but TikTok wasn't around too slow, which is my point, which is like Vine was
194:52 freaking huge. I mean, if you look at the people that just because Vine died,
194:57 moved over to YouTube and then became massive YouTubers.
195:00 Absolutely. They had just smash hit as much as I might not like all of them.
195:05 They had smash hit creators on Vine. It was like a cultural phenomenon and they just shut it down.
195:11 Wild. I mean, no one ever said Twitter was a well run company.
195:19 At any point. At any point. I mean, that's been, your stance has been pretty, pretty clear on Twitter being a dumpster fire
195:27 then and now. So is this really that surprising? The only thing about Twitter is that practically everyone has an account and you can DM people.
195:37 I'm thinking about just deleting mine though. I think I just might be done.
195:40 I still use the DM portion often enough that I don't want to get rid of it.
195:46 It is still the easiest way for me to reach out to someone that I don't know and get a response.
195:51 Unless that changes, I don't see myself deleting my account.
195:54 I use Discord more than Twitter. Yeah, but how do you find the person?
195:59 If I don't know the person yet. Yeah. Well, I guess I still, okay.
196:02 So I have the luxury of still having the corporate Twitter if I really need to.
196:06 So I could make a connection with that, which is, you know, it's verified, whatever that means
196:10 these days and it's got a big follower account. So it should, you know.
196:14 Yeah. And to be clear, I like really don't use it that often. But if I'm like, hmm, this one person that I know of would be like really useful to talk to
196:21 about this one topic, but I've never actually had a contact with them.
196:28 Yeah, that's totally valid. Jump on Twitter, find them.
196:31 It's the same reason I have Facebook, except that's for getting in touch with people in your life.
196:36 Yeah. That. Exactly. I see no value to Facebook anymore, except.
196:41 Marketplace. Well, yeah. Marketplace is very enshrined now, but for only you, all the rest of us get boring marketplace
196:49 and you get all the fun ones. No, I ruined mine. No, I actually bought some stuff and now it's ruined.
196:54 There was someone on Reddit talking about how they were Linus training there.
196:58 I saw that. Dude, really funny. Crazy that it worked. Immediate results.
197:02 So sick. So sick.
197:07 Training my market place. Just shoot an email next time that you might meet Torvalds.
197:12 Here, here it is. One week update on my marketplace training.
197:16 Taco Bell, nine feet tall. So good. Potential uranium glass leg.
197:21 Question mark. Spirit S1 LSA, shiny plane.
197:27 BMW 5 ton 6x6. Oh, BMW Y, excuse me.
197:32 Full tank of gas for a TI-84 CE plus calculator.
197:38 Vertical machining centers. Sure.
197:41 Full size traffic light retired. Plastic jersey barriers.
197:47 Dude, there's so much crazy stuff on Facebook marketplace.
197:50 It's so cool. You just have to be brave enough to click it.
197:54 I love, my favorite one was the potential uranium glass question mark.
197:58 Yeah. I loved that one. Who knows what it is? Not me. So good.
198:02 Pay me. Pay me, bitch. Like, what even is this?
198:05 AI artist tops country music charts.
198:11 Kind of. Kind of. I hate this title. AI generated music has routinely been charting over the past month or so,
198:17 but the track, Walk My Walk by Breakin' Rust,
198:21 has landed at the top of Billboard's country digital song sales chart
198:25 with over three million streams on Spotify.
198:29 Which is a ton, but not why it's up there.
198:33 It should be noted, however, that the digital song sales chart is not a mainstream chart
198:38 and only required 3,000 sales in order to be topped.
198:41 Sales are either 150 streams or a purchase from iTunes.
198:45 This means you can easily top the chart with an iTunes gift card and some bots.
198:49 And this is what I was going to add to this topic that I don't see in the comments,
198:54 but a lot of the comments on it are clearly bought.
198:59 Botted. Definitely. Clearly. And if you're going to bot comments,
199:02 why not bot streams?
199:05 Yeah. As an example, Disturbs Cover of the Sound of Silence,
199:10 which is an awful cover, says Adam Sondergaard. I'm not taking a position on this,
199:14 has been at the top of the Alternative Digital Song Sales Chart for 400 weeks.
199:18 That's a few. That's wild. That is a few. Casual eight years.
199:22 Another AI artist, Zania Monet, has been making headlines after signing a $3 million record deal.
199:28 And her gospel track, Let's Go, Let's Go, garnering millions of views across platforms.
199:33 That's not it.
199:37 That's not the title of the song. What is it?
199:40 Oh, Let Go Let God. Sorry.
199:44 Yeah, that makes more sense. That doesn't actually make a lot more sense.
199:47 Or wait, I guess it kind of does. Let go.
199:52 So it's Jesus take the wheel.
199:55 Which is why, as far as my understanding is, not the lessons you're supposed to take.
199:58 But I mean, it's been a while.
200:02 So I could be wrong. You could be. I wouldn't presume to.
200:08 To me, it's fascinating having a AI artist do religious songs.
200:14 There's got it. There's something in there somewhere. Something in there somewhere.
200:18 Yep. Yep. Discussion questions.
200:23 Would you go to the concert of a virtual artist?
200:27 I mean. No. No.
200:30 Okay, cool. Next question. How is this different from bands like Gorillas?
200:34 What about Hatsune Miku, which performs songs written by a community?
200:37 Well, it's different because humans crafted that.
200:42 Whereas this didn't. Next question. Can there be true artistic intent behind AI music?
200:48 Artistic intent. Okay, well, hold on a second. I could see a poet making an argument
200:53 that if they human crafted lyrics and then an AI like generated song, something to them,
200:59 there was at least some, there was less than, there was more than zero.
201:03 Dirt Dragon raises a very interesting point.
201:07 All right, hit me. We should make, we should need,
201:10 we probably won't even need to make it happen. It'll just happen. But if it doesn't just happen,
201:14 we should make the Riley. I'm taking a bathroom break.
201:17 Top the charts. What, by botting it? Yeah.
201:21 You want to improve AI adoption? Yeah. Might as well use it for evil.
201:25 I mean, good. Yeah. Sometimes they might be the same.
201:29 Yeah. He just left. Should we do something?
201:37 There's some topics in here that are not fully planned out. So I won't do those.
201:42 What do we do? It's not normal to have him just leave randomly.
201:48 I mean, does he not want to talk about this?
201:52 Interesting. I can talk about this other topic.
201:55 Sony announced a cheaper Japanese language only PS5 exclusive to Japan.
202:01 And they also revealed a PlayStation monitor.
202:04 The PlayStation monitor is wild. We'll talk about that in a second.
202:08 Sony announced a cheaper Japanese blah blah blah, all that kind of stuff.
202:11 It's the first time they've region locked a console since the PS2 back in the year 2000.
202:18 Like Nintendo's Japan only Switch 2 model, this special PS5 is Sony's attempt
202:22 at making the console more affordable domestically.
202:26 Sony also announced a PlayStation branded gaming monitor. The 2560 by 1440 monitor has an IPS panel
202:32 and a 240 Hertz refresh rate. But the 240 Hertz refresh is only available
202:37 when hooked up to a PC. Which is...
202:41 What? Very interesting. What does that mean?
202:44 It just runs at 120 Hertz when connected to PlayStation consoles.
202:50 Huh. And it has a DualSense charging hook.
202:53 They are publishing their games on Steam and PC now.
202:57 This is maybe not that weird. The whole industry is getting very strange.
203:01 What is happening? Xbox is being the weirdest out of all of it.
203:05 We're going to hit Xbox on the GameCube. It's like...
203:10 It's a weird one. I don't know what's happening.
203:13 Sony hasn't priced the monitor. They don't quote response times or brightness.
203:17 And even Sony's quoted HDR capability is vague at best.
203:21 With PC gamers saying that the monitor doesn't seem like a hugely compelling proposition for PC gaming.
203:32 Interesting. But we don't even know the price. That's interesting.
203:37 Discussion question. Do you have any memorable experiences with region locked products?
203:41 If yes, tell us your tales. If you don't have any anecdotes.
203:44 What are your opinions on region locking in general?
203:48 I don't like region locking. I am conflicted on the it's cheaper domestically thing.
203:54 I think it's kind of based. Even though I'm not going to benefit from it.
203:59 And then how do you do that? While actually making it so that it's cheaper for everyone
204:05 because they just order the the ones in Japan.
204:09 So I don't know. But in general, I think region locking is kind of bad
204:14 because it promotes e-waste problems.
204:17 What do you think? Yeah, I think so.
204:20 I mean, these days it's just kind of strange to region lock anything.
204:25 It seems extremely unnecessary. The whole world is super global now.
204:28 Yeah, power and NTSC is no longer a thing.
204:31 No, no. I mean, my thought would be taxes, export, that sort of stuff.
204:41 You know, I know Japan is a little strange in some regards.
204:45 I mean, there's talk of flying to Japan to get things cheaper
204:50 than you could just importing them, which is which is very odd.
204:54 I wonder if that has to do with it. Sorry, I thought you were done talking about something. Go for it.
204:57 Binky draws. I can't see you. I was about to say it's really hard.
205:01 Binky draws says, is it actually region locked or is it only sold in one region?
205:05 And I don't technically know. But it says in here region locked,
205:09 which would make me think it's not just only sold there.
205:16 Another discussion, discussion question. What comes to mind is your favorite unexpected console
205:19 branded product or peripherals, the, you know, PlayStation,
205:23 3D TV, Gamecube or Dreamcast, keyboard, et cetera.
205:27 And I don't think I have one.
205:34 That's very boring. But I think it's true.
205:38 Very few come to mind. Because it specifically says unexpected.
205:41 So I would traditionally say just like Xbox controllers because I like them so much more than PlayStation.
205:45 What about that KFC thing? Was that real?
205:49 That's also. Or is that no, that's the opposite.
205:53 Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Darn, I'm trying to think of anything.
205:57 Full-plane chat, do you have anything? I don't think I have an example. I don't have an example at all.
206:01 Oops. Oh, well. But yeah, that's kind of funky and weird.
206:05 What is your thought on them making it cheaper in Japan?
206:09 What do you think about that? Well, that's kind of cool. That makes me think that is definitely
206:13 some sort of like, you know, export thing.
206:16 Yeah, I feel like if there was a Canadian company and they made it cheaper for Canadians,
206:20 I would think that was cool. I'm fine with that.
206:23 I think if they're basically sacrificing their like margins
206:31 locally and putting it up elsewhere, that's fine.
206:35 Sacrifice, is that when you pretend to kill someone?
206:38 To appease the gods? Yeah, it sounds like it. Or do you actually kill someone to appease a fake god?
206:43 Sacrifice.
206:47 I think it could be either. Maybe it's one of those words with two definitions. Did I interrupt?
206:51 Only slightly. PlayStation 5 exclusive version in Japan,
206:55 it's region locked, but it's cheaper. Also, they released a monitor.
206:59 Region locks are anti-consumer and should always be objected to.
207:03 Yeah, it's cheaper for them. Just like naming it the same thing
207:06 when it's actually a different product, we should always object to that.
207:09 It's cheaper for them. So I think this is their way of making it cheaper for Japanese people.
207:14 Why is it cheaper for them?
207:18 This is fairly normal in Japan. If it's only sold in Japan and it's cheaper?
207:22 No, I mean, what do you mean it's cheaper for them? Like for Sony?
207:26 This region, no, for Japanese people. People in Japan.
207:30 Okay. But you can only use it in Japan or with Japanese games or other stuff.
207:34 If we're interpreting the region lock thing correctly, which I think we are. No, it's still anti-consumer.
207:39 Yeah. They should just sell it for like more cheaper in Japan if they really want to.
207:44 But then that's going to get abused immediately, obviously.
207:48 But then like if they can afford to sell it for that much, then they should just do that.
207:53 That's obviously not how that works. You know that. I mean, even shipping something out of Japan,
207:57 like it would have to be markedly cheaper for it to not make more sense to just.
208:01 That's fair. Buy it somewhere else when it's been shipped in bulk. I don't know how much the discount is.
208:05 5,500, 55,000 yen.
208:09 Let's convert that.
208:13 USD. Wow, that's really cheap. 355 compared to the normal one was, is this a pro or is it normal?
208:22 I think it's normal. Digital edition. So it's the non-disk normal one.
208:26 Yeah, it's still 350 bucks. Okay. Yeah. I think that's normally 500.
208:29 People would buy them in bulk and ship them overseas.
208:33 All right, I'm thinking.
208:41 How else could you do this? I don't think you can.
208:46 I don't like that there's region locking. I agree. I think it's anti-consumer as well.
208:49 I don't like it. I think it's a bad contributor to things like e-waste and just not good things in general.
208:55 Yeah. But I also think it's kind of cool that they're offering a domestic discount.
208:59 I'd be okay with it. If they committed to unlock it, like when it's a lot of years down the line.
209:06 Yeah. That's cool. I like that. I think that would be a good compromise.
209:13 If the PS6 launches, you unlock all them.
209:20 Thinking. Or like a year into the PS6 being around.
209:23 Okay. How would you feel about a device that rather than being region locked was cheaper up front
209:31 but the games were more expensive?
209:35 What about a global unlock code?
209:38 If you have it in Japan, it's region locked. I'm just chit-chatting now.
209:42 Oh, so this has nothing to do with- What if they had a $300 PlayStation 5 but every game cost like $20 more?
209:49 Knowing that most people will buy like between five and a dozen games or whatever.
209:52 So they make their money in the longer term. But it's basically, it's choose your own adventure on whether you want one that's priced
209:58 profitably in the first place with cheaper games or whether you want one that's priced
210:02 cheaper but you know you're going to pay more for the games.
210:07 If you still had the option to buy the full price one, would you object to them having like a cheaper subsidized game one?
210:14 I don't think so if you still had the option. There's definitely people that will buy a console for two games.
210:20 Yeah. Even one game in certain cases. So-
210:23 That was fascinating to me when I first found out that there was like people who would play StarCraft and not video games.
210:29 They would just play StarCraft. There was no other video games that they ever played.
210:35 It was like, oh wow. And then I started realizing that that was true for a bunch of different games.
210:39 I just first discovered it was StarCraft.
210:43 My life for hire. See, I thought they were mercenaries.
210:48 My life for hire? For the longest time. Did you actually? Yeah.
210:53 That's fairly reasonable.
210:56 I never really thought about that, but yeah, it does kind of sound like hire.
211:01 I didn't know what zealot meant. So I just, yeah, I just thought-
211:05 Zealot, I'm pretty sure is the right way to say it. I'm fairly certain I said zealot.
211:09 Oh, 100% did. Yeah. So many years. 100%.
211:12 So many years.
211:18 Anyways, I don't think there's much more unpacking of that. I really like the idea of the region lock just being timed though.
211:24 I think that's really cool. I like that a lot.
211:27 It's pretty funny that the monitor only runs at its maximum capabilities hooked up to a PC.
211:33 All right. Cool. Well, did you guys already talk through this? Yeah. Okay.
211:36 All right. Cool. I'm looking to close that then. What else we got?
211:42 There's lots. Yeah, there is. There's so much.
211:46 We can do here a couple rapid fire topics. A group of US lawyers has documented 509 cases of AI misuse in court filings.
211:54 No notes. That's terrible. That's rough. The UK is probing whether Chinese made Yutong electric buses on British roads can be remotely
212:03 disabled.
212:07 Yeah. So this is bad because Norway discovered that its Chinese made buses can be remotely turned off
212:14 by the manufacturer.
212:18 This needs to not be a thing and not specifically because these buses are made in China.
212:23 But again, because like calling a product the same thing or region locking, it's just bad.
212:30 When you buy something, you bought it. From anywhere. And you should have easy access to find information about it.
212:36 And you should have the right to use it in whatever the country you want.
212:40 That's it. I object your honor.
212:48 What else we got? Hackers. Speaking of right to repair and right to use things you bought.
212:55 Hackers are reviving Google's discontinued Nest thermostats with an open source project
212:59 called No Longer Evil. Yes. Amazing name.
213:03 Hard to believe. Incredible name. Google recently abandoned their Nest thermostats, making them no longer smart because Google
213:10 moved them to end of life and ripped functionality out of them.
213:14 They were launched between 2011 and 2014.
213:17 Cody Kosiemba? Has personal incentive to revive these thermostats due to prior clashes with Google,
213:25 but also a possible $15,000 financial incentive from Fulu to bring bricked devices back to life.
213:33 This is cool. The thermostat believes that it is communicating with the official Nest infrastructure,
213:38 but instead connects to the no longer evil platform.
213:42 This approach ensures full compatibility with the device's existing software
213:46 while breaking free from Google's cloud dependency.
213:49 The firmware images and back in API server code will be open sourced soon,
213:53 allowing the community to audit, improve, and self-host their own infrastructure.
213:57 How cool is this? The firmware upgrade from GitHub is still in the development stage, so the usual precautions apply,
214:04 but it can be easily integrated into Home Assistant using MQTT or REST APIs.
214:09 After applying the firmware, the user will be met with a new greeting, now made with 100% less evil.
214:14 Freaking love it. And our discussion question is, should right to repair regulations be updated
214:19 to include rules that provide immortality for evil devices?
214:23 The answer is yes, it needs to be done yesterday.
214:26 This needs to be dealt with instead of whatever the crap it is that legislators are doing right now.
214:34 Oh, there's more bad news though. Memory prices are set to skyrocket due to demand from AI data centers.
214:41 This was prepared by Mr. Pankratz. Sandisk has reportedly raised its NAND flash price contracts by 50% for November.
214:52 Numerous module makers have paused shipments to re-evaluate their quotes.
214:56 Transcend has suspended quoting and deliveries starting November 7th,
215:00 anticipating, this is a quote, favorable market conditions.
215:05 This comes as the memory market is being dominated by demand from AI data centers
215:09 and constrained wafer supply. So this is a really important point for folks that are looking at this going,
215:15 well, why is DDR4 RAM affected? That's older. Why is gamer memory affected?
215:20 It's because you still make RAM out of the same wafer,
215:25 whether it's going into a server or a phone or a laptop or a gaming computer
215:31 or whatever the case may be. Okay, that's not quite true. Like DDR4 RAM might actually not necessarily be made on the latest nodes.
215:37 But still, in general, you are constrained by how much fab time there is.
215:44 So in response to constrained wafer supply, oh, it's the wafer supply specifically.
215:48 Okay, so it would be constrained by supply of the actual wafer,
215:52 so that would affect any manufacturing process. So in response, manufacturers have shifted their production focus away
215:58 from products like consumer SSDs and DDR4 to more profitable DDR5 and HBM.
216:03 This is causing a Ryzen pricing across all memory related products.
216:07 Here's an interesting memory price trend page from PC Part Picker.
216:12 Whoopsie doodles. Here's the last 18 months.
216:15 Stable, stable, stable, stable, stable. Oh, no!
216:20 DDR4 3600. Stable, stable, down, down, down.
216:23 Up, up, stable, stable, stable.
216:27 Yeah, so this blows.
216:35 Neat. While customers are left scrambling to adapt, transcend,
216:42 InnoDisk and A-Pacer are reporting revenue increases exceeding 60% year over year for Q3.
216:47 So bully for them, I suppose. Discussion question is,
216:51 if you're looking to purchase FlashTorger RAM, would you aim to buy now or try to wait it out?
216:55 You could be waiting it out a very long time.
217:00 AI data center demand won't collapse until the bubble pops.
217:04 And what does it, what does it they say?
217:07 The market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent.
217:10 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Fun times. In other news, AI-powered Russian humanoid robot walks on stage and falls on its face.
217:20 Sounds about right. All the non-Russian ones are held up by chains and cables.
217:26 So I don't know who's doing better. I don't think that's true. Unitry looks pretty impressive at this point.
217:32 Here's a video over on... Unitry. Yeah. Unitry's dope.
217:37 Here's a video from Blue Sky.
217:42 Wow, this is very far behind. Oh boy.
217:46 And... Oh wow.
217:50 Oh wow. And there it goes.
217:53 Oh! Oh!
217:56 It's funny, you could tell they knew it was screwed. Yeah, you could tell that it's Russian
218:01 because it had some vodka before it went out on stage. Wow.
218:05 Wow. Wow.
218:09 The creators accompanying the robot and some crew immediately try to pull the robot off stage
218:14 and hide broken leftover pieces with a large black cloth.
218:17 After Aldal, that's the name of the robot, threw itself off a building.
218:22 Sorry, I mean fell over on the stage.
218:28 Oh, here's another fun one. This is another kind of rapid fire one.
218:31 We sponsored a smaller creator.
218:35 Rude. You might have heard of them. Oh my god.
218:40 Ads. Love it. Hey, but this is also a much smaller sponsorship watching their ad.
218:50 Hold on, I gotta find it.
218:55 I actually don't know where the... Wow, there it is. Hey, you might know this guy.
219:00 I think I've seen him before. I've seen some very interesting speculation that we are like on terrible terms or something
219:07 with people who leave the team or, you know, whatever.
219:10 It is our earnest goal to be on good terms with anyone who departs here.
219:18 And it is our genuine wish that they continue to be successful outside of LMG.
219:27 I mean, look at it this way.
219:31 Let's assume that I was entirely driven by my own narcissistic ego.
219:37 Assume. Let's assume that.
219:40 We don't know that, but let's assume it.
219:44 Would I want someone to have a five-year career or 10-year career here
219:50 and not come out with useful skills such that they could be a success?
219:56 Right. It would just speak more well to you if they did.
220:00 How would that reflect on me and this organization?
220:04 The company, yeah. I mean, I'm always talking about it.
220:07 World-class team, you know?
220:12 Let's assume the worst possible set of assumptions about me.
220:18 Even then, would I have an interest in people flying free and then falling flat on their faces?
220:25 If it's worst possible assumptions, then sure, but I'm extrapolating this a little bit too far.
220:31 I mean, okay. I mean, the worst possible reasonable assumptions about my character.
220:36 Oh, you added reasonable, though.
220:39 Okay. What assumptions could you make about my character such that I would want Alex and Andy to fail?
220:45 If it's worst possible assumptions that I could make anything,
220:49 you just hate people and everyone and you want...
220:53 It's like that quote of my success means nothing if others do not also fail.
220:59 Have you heard that before?
221:02 But my success can also be measured by the success of people that I...
221:05 No, I agree. I agree. You said worst possible assumptions. I guess.
221:10 That would be terrible. There's people like that.
221:14 Okay. I mean, that's really stupid.
221:19 Anyway, yeah. So the point is I'm very excited.
221:24 This is actually not the only move that you guys will see.
221:35 We've got some pretty cool... I don't want to spoil anything because I don't want to take any of the wind out of the sales of the people who are going to be...
221:44 doing their own... Because that's the thing, right?
221:47 Is they're on their own. They're doing their own thing, which I'm very pro-entrepreneurship.
221:51 I've always been pro-small creators. I've always been pro-consumer.
221:56 I've always been pro-entrepreneurship. So I want to see people spread their wings and fly and I want to let them kind of
222:03 talk about the partnership in their own authentic voice before I go and put any words in their mouth.
222:08 But this will not be the last.
222:11 This will not be the last sort of collaboration slash partnership with people who used to be on payroll and no longer are.
222:22 It might not be hard to stretch that far, considering you did personally go out of your way to make us
222:30 that I couldn't meet Linus Torvalds. You know that even if only 0.1% of people are stupid enough to believe you right now,
222:43 that is still 10 people.
222:47 So you fucked me. Right now. Way to go. But there's also the VOD.
222:50 You fucked me 10 times. Plus the VOD. That's not enough.
222:55 I gotta pump those numbers up. The rookie numbers.
223:02 Oh man. That's cool. I think that's awesome.
223:09 Very cool. People have any questions?
223:15 Mu asks, is LMG becoming a creator university you get paid to be at?
223:20 I don't know. I mean we've talked about this. Is that the worst thing? We've talked about this a fair bit lately, right?
223:24 Like what is my legacy? Yeah.
223:27 If that happens, but we get, you know, if company hat firmly on, if we get good value out of them
223:33 while they're here, and then. If they fly free, why shouldn't we be happy about that?
223:39 People do leave companies. We have existed for so long at this point.
223:44 Yeah, 13 years. And like if we want to keep existing for say that amount of time longer,
223:50 people are going to continue to leave. That's what it is a fact of having companies basically.
223:57 There are some people as well that like they just have it in their veins that they're going to be
224:02 running their own thing. They're going to be an entrepreneur at some point. Yeah, they're just born to be an entrepreneur.
224:06 That's fine. That's good. We want them here. Sure. If they want to be here. If they want to hang out for a while, have some drive grow.
224:12 They tend to be motivated people. You're probably going to be here for at least a few years.
224:16 They tend to be innovators. We will have definitely gained things as a company from you in that time.
224:23 And then you can fly free if you want. And look, I'm not necessarily looking for suggestions for people for us to work with.
224:34 We make a good faith effort to part on good terms with everybody.
224:37 That doesn't necessarily mean that we succeed every time.
224:41 And Adora is never completely shut, almost never completely shut.
224:52 But we're definitely going to make the call in terms of who we are interested in partnering with.
224:58 Because you look at the way that we choose our sponsors,
225:02 it's going to be the same kind of thing. We're going to just like we partner with sponsors who we believe have strong character
225:08 and we hold them accountable in the same way the people that we're going to partner with
225:12 in terms of sponsorships, we're going to be selective.
225:17 And that applies across the board, whether someone's a former employee or whether someone isn't.
225:22 You can expect to see in general a lot more creator sponsorships coming from us in the coming
225:28 months. And I'm actually super stoked about it. It's pretty cool to kind of go full circle
225:35 from being the the sponsor to the sponsor.
225:38 It's weird. It's super weird. It's very weird.
225:42 It's weird looking at a video from the other end, if that makes sense.
225:47 Yeah. And like, and like, I don't have to do the negotiations on this stuff myself, right?
225:52 But like obviously, you know, for me to kind of just throw the money out there
225:59 and hope that the end product, you know, and my team is, you know,
226:02 making sure that everything goes smoothly and their link is correct.
226:06 Yeah, exactly. Like always like little stupid things that we know we have to deal with on our side and
226:10 just kind of seeing it from the, from the brand side. It's really weird.
226:14 Yeah. I was trying to scroll through his video to find the sponsorship on my own laptop and I,
226:19 and I found it and I want to watch this with sound because his intro into it looks funny.
226:23 But this is extremely unrelated, but he talks about Assetto Corsa.
226:32 Assetto Corsa, yeah. They have a new game that's in early access right now
226:39 called Assetto Corsa Rally that I'm like really hyped for.
226:45 Have you played it at all? I haven't. I got to get my Simrig set up.
226:48 You have to tell me how this is. Yeah. Because I used to love the dirt games, but when's the last dirt that came out?
226:56 Well, I mean, I'm a dirt one stand. Second one was kind of not as good in my eyes, but having it in an Assetto Corsa engine is
227:05 going to be amazing. I am very, very excited.
227:10 There's, I read the reviews. There was some comments on it, like, you know, they don't have the physics dialed yet and
227:14 stuff like that. So I'm interested in hearing what you have to say. And this is what I use VR for all the time.
227:21 That's why I kind of like that high end tethered experience. Like, dude, this is what I meant when I was like, I don't know that I'm really going to
227:26 regret buying the big screen beyond because if I can wear the big screen beyond to play this.
227:31 That's what I wanted for, you know, the heavy index does get kind of like
227:38 irritating when you're rapidly shoulder checking.
227:42 Right. Yeah. Right. Because I do some eye racing on the side too.
227:45 And like, you're basically like sitting there whipping your head about for three,
227:50 four hours straight sometimes and it gets exhausting.
227:53 Yeah. Sorry. I know that was quite the gear shift.
227:59 But I'm very, I'm very hyped for that game. I was going to steam to look for the official page for the new hardware they're launching
228:07 and that came up first for me. And I was like, oh, nice.
228:11 Anyways, yeah, it's exciting. I like the idea. I got to check that out.
228:15 Yes. Yes. I haven't had a functional computer in a, well, desktop in a very long time.
228:19 So who knows, but it's, it's cool.
228:23 I like the idea of working with creators that have worked here in the past.
228:27 I like the idea of fostering those relationships. I like this concept that like if we last for a long time, we might end up building our own kind
228:34 of like ecosystem of creators around here. I don't know if our own is fair enough to say, but like we could end up contributing towards
228:42 an ecosystem of creators around here because, you know, like there's many,
228:46 but there aren't like a ton in our space, at least creators in the tech technology,
228:53 DC area. So just like effectively kind of contributing towards that being more of a thing would be
229:01 pretty cool. Canada Tech Creator Valley. Sure.
229:05 Sweet. It sounds awesome to me.
229:08 Yeah. I don't need a new computer. It's my, my apartment is effectively non functional, meaning my computer is like
229:16 put away right now. All right. I think it's time for land show after dark.
229:22 Are we done all the topics? Did we do it? We're done. We did it. All right.
229:36 Heck yeah. Let's go.
229:39 What? Oh, I just thought you might read a merch message.
229:43 I was making it. He's getting purple. He's doing work.
229:47 Oh, I thought I curated this one.
229:50 The one thing I couldn't get out of Linus T was I couldn't get him to say,
229:55 I'd like to interject for a moment.
230:01 He didn't like, he didn't think it was funny. And I was like, okay.
230:05 Well, actually I wasn't like, okay, I tried really hard.
230:08 I think I overheard some of that. I was getting more and more upset for you.
230:13 No, no. Yes, it was Stallman, but that's exactly what's funny about it.
230:17 It's Stallman was, the point is, I tried to get him to do, I was going to refer to him.
230:23 I was going to refer to myself as Linus and I wanted him to say,
230:27 I'd like to interject for a moment what you're referring to as Linus is in fact, Linus, or as I've taken to calling it.
230:33 But like, he was just like, I don't think it's funny. I'm like, okay.
230:37 I see what you're going for. I can understand him not thinking that's funny.
230:40 Yeah. I thought it was very funny though. Yeah.
230:44 So I tried. I tried. I almost died on that hill. Sure.
230:47 Fortunately, he didn't just pack his bags and leave. Yeah.
230:50 It was not worth actually dying on, but I can definitely appreciate an effort.
230:55 Sammy fucked me by like not getting the reference. And I was like, no, no, people will get the reference.
230:59 It'll be really funny. And I was like, Sammy, Sammy, you're dying to like internet.
231:05 But he like didn't know I'd like to interject for a moment.
231:08 Sammy's dialed into brain rot. It's not the same thing.
231:12 Terrible. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
231:15 It completely fucked me on that one. Okay.
231:19 Buying the computer, the commuter bag for my wife.
231:22 A soon to be doctor of physical therapy. Nice.
231:26 A good professional backpack. Nice. Do either of you have any funny or interesting stories about physical therapists?
231:33 Physical therapy humor, Dan. What are you even trying to do right now?
231:37 I don't know. Do you curate this? You have elbow? I, when I was having crazy knee problems.
231:42 Sure. Okay. Funny. I tried to solve it through physical therapy.
231:46 I ended up solving it with YouTube videos, which is strange.
231:49 But I went to multiple physiotherapists at first. One of them wanted to do needles, but it was like little ones.
231:58 Yeah. Needles are dead. He always corrects me on because there's like big ones and little ones and people,
232:03 I say acupuncture or whatever the other one is and they correct me, whatever.
232:06 It was little needles. They're putting them in my quad. And she ended up like sending me away as a client.
232:12 Like I will not do this with you anymore. I can maybe do other things with you, but we will not do this
232:17 because she'd put them in my quad and then my quad we go and bend them all.
232:21 Right. So you were breaking all her needles.
232:24 Nice. Okay. That's pretty funny.
232:27 That's the best I got. Didn't they also tell you that you were weird as all hell, like very strange client
232:34 because you actually did the exercises as you were assigned? Yeah.
232:37 Yeah. My current physiotherapist said that basically I had a, I don't know what it was.
232:42 I'd pros with my thumbs. I screwed up both of my thumbs, which was kind of weird.
232:46 And he gave me a bunch of like a little hand pushups and like all these other weird things.
232:50 And then I came back to him and was like, we're good.
232:55 Let's work on something else. But like the thumbs are good. And he was like, what?
233:00 Which was great. That's cool. All right. Well, I have nothing for funny physical therapy stories,
233:05 but I do have some validation of that merge message that the commuter bag is awesome.
233:13 I got this from the head robot at D brand a few minutes ago.
233:18 Got the CW holiday care package genuinely so good. Thanks team loved it.
233:24 I'm going to out him here. I'm going to do it. Kept the commuter bag for myself.
233:29 Tossing my peak design. Oh, usually companies don't need my other companies.
233:39 Leaked the DM. Sammy did it to me today.
233:42 Seems fair. Yep. Seems fair. Seems fair. You know what?
233:46 That is actually like a killer endorsement because you know,
233:51 you know what the head robot is like in terms of attention to detail and quality.
233:57 And appearance, I'm sure. And you've seen how expensive the head robots stickers are.
234:02 So surely the head robot could afford any backpack that he or she desired.
234:08 So with all of that in mind.
234:13 Okay. What's next? Pretty good. Q for Luke.
234:16 If you had a nickel for every time you missed out on a gigantic Linux
234:20 related event, you'd have two nickels. Which one hurts more?
234:24 This one. What was the first one?
234:28 I don't even know. What could even compare to this? That's, yeah. This is the one to end all ones.
234:33 I'm sure I could search my brain vault and find it.
234:38 I vaguely have a memory of that being a thing. But there's too much recency damage that I can't, I can't even.
234:46 I think the term is recency bias. No, just damage.
234:54 Sorry, dude. Vance is nothing if he's not efficient.
234:59 Up next. High overly charismatic man, Dan, and chicken in sauce pan.
235:08 These are, again, very creative. You've heard of price to performance.
235:12 Now you're hearing of size to annoyance.
235:16 What is the smallest thing Linus excluded that bothers you most?
235:28 All right, I like it.
235:33 That's a good question. That's a quality merge message. Because it's Linus excluded?
235:38 I'm going to go, no, I mean, if I was the smallest thing that annoyed you the most,
235:42 it would be good for me to know.
235:47 I'm going to go with eating sounds.
235:50 That is actually my barometer for if I'm in a bad mood.
235:54 Because sometimes I can't tell. But if someone is chewing a little bit next to me,
236:02 and they don't have their mouth open or anything, but I can just hear eating noises,
236:07 I get a bit of misophonia. I don't love eating noises at the best of times.
236:13 Like my stepdad used to drive me nuts because he would eat cereal with his mouth open.
236:18 And to be clear, my stepdad is the best stepdad that ever walked the face of the earth.
236:24 He's pretty great. I was never treated any differently from his own blood children.
236:29 And that is something that is maybe not completely unique,
236:35 but it is pretty darn special for a stepparent to have, for me to go through,
236:44 I don't know how many, like I don't know how many years I lived with them,
236:47 or even before I lived with them. Like the second he married my mom, I was his kid.
236:54 I was his son. And I called him dad.
236:57 Call my dad dad too, but whatever. Dad dad, two dads.
237:01 Turns out it doesn't f**k you up that much.
237:05 Obviously different context.
237:15 The point is, we have a literal button on the show.
237:26 The point is he wasn't much of a quiet eater.
237:30 And so it's, I've always known that it's something that kind of like bothered me,
237:34 but I've, I've outgrown it. I've like mostly gotten over it, except when I'm low blood sugar or I haven't had enough sleep,
237:41 or usually both, I'll be like, I'll realize I'm like holding something kind of tight.
237:49 And Yvonne's just like sitting there, like eating something.
237:53 I'll be like, okay, I need to deal with this because I am about to like slap the food out
238:01 of her hand if I don't deal with my mood right now.
238:05 So that I'd say that's mine. I've had the, the eating noises thing as well, but I think a more recent, so like current one.
238:13 And I, it feels almost irrational.
238:17 Well, that's the thing. But I mean, that's basically what we're being asked, right?
238:20 It drives me insane when someone is,
238:26 there are forms of it that are okay, but it's like when it's quiet enough that you're doing this
238:31 or yeah, this, but if you, if you're playing stuff on your phone on speakers in public,
238:38 oh, I mean, that's, that's not even a small thing. But this has been confusing to me.
238:41 That's a big thing. It's been confusing me because like I was waiting at a train station recently
238:46 and someone was playing music out of a Bluetooth speaker attached to their backpack,
238:51 just walking around. Yeah. And it drove me nuts. No, that person's just a f***ing ass.
238:56 But then somebody drove by a f***ing thing whole. Somebody drove by in a car that had fairly loud music.
239:02 That didn't bother me. That's interesting.
239:06 Because that I thought was weird. They both bother me equally.
239:10 They don't bother me equally. Okay. Let's go in between. What about someone with their Bluetooth speaker hanging off of their cycle,
239:16 their bike, their bicycle? That's the word I was looking for. I feel like that would bother me because I feel like I was trying to unpack this.
239:22 Yeah. I don't know for the cycle. It'd be interesting to like have it happen and then try to evaluate.
239:26 But yeah, okay. The car one to me is it's like, it's theoretically their space
239:31 and it's leaking out of their space. Yeah. But they very clearly don't need it to be that loud in their space.
239:37 They're literally damaging their hearing and they're making it your problem.
239:41 That's true. I also wonder like if their window was open, would that change for me or not?
239:45 I'm not sure. I don't know. Okay. What if they were in their own house, but their music was so loud
239:52 that you could hear it inside your own house? This is an interesting one as a condo dweller.
239:57 This is the thing that happens. And I generally try to respect it because I'm like, you know what?
240:06 We're all stuck in this big thing together. What if it was detached homes and you could still,
240:13 you could hear their music clearly? I feel like if it was a event or a movie.
240:18 Nope. It's just always like every day.
240:22 That's pretty annoying. Yeah. But then it might change if this is a garage band.
240:29 Nope. We had to go confront this whole back when we were,
240:34 when Brian the electrician and I were filming the installing AC in my attic thing,
240:39 because it was so loud we couldn't film from a house away.
240:46 And I actually, I probably still have audio of the interaction somewhere.
240:49 But basically like this guy was the biggest piece of garbage ever.
240:54 Like as we walked up to the door, the like two year old, two to three year old
241:00 was about to come bolting out. And I like, like there's a road and I like stopped him.
241:05 And the first thing he says to me is don't touch my son. And I'm like, bro, I wouldn't need to.
241:11 If you weren't an utter delinquent, what a way to start a conversation.
241:17 I'm not saying what you said is that I just the whole scenario and dude,
241:22 this house was so loud. Like when the door was opened, we're talking hearing damage for that kid.
241:28 Like crazy. And he's like, I have to have it like this.
241:32 I'm a DJ. I'm like, what? So you're the world's first DJ that hasn't heard of a pair of headphones.
241:37 You got to be kidding me right now. They literally have headphones. Does that mean this guy's a piece of work.
241:42 These actually like do it. You can turn the cup wild.
241:47 Wow. Wild. I don't, I don't think I've had much of a dumber conversation with any,
241:53 like otherwise seemingly coherent functional human being.
241:58 Also like, man. You are not recreating the speaker setup at the club with your home thing.
242:05 If you can get, if you, I actually don't know this because I'm, I don't partake,
242:10 but if you can get high from secondhand marijuana smoke, that kid was probably high.
242:15 Like it was intense. You can.
242:19 Oh, okay. There you go. Man, brutal, brutal neighbor.
242:25 I think it has a, I think it's called contact high.
242:28 I'm sure someone in full point chat will correct.
242:35 Nope. Okay. Yes. Something like that.
242:38 Yeah. And I feel really bad for the kid too. Like, I can't feel bad for an adult that is just like an idiot and harms themselves.
242:47 I just don't really care. They're an adult and they have agency.
242:52 Contact high is psycho. Psycho somatic.
242:55 Oh, apparently it's fake. You just think you're high.
242:59 Nevermind then. I don't know. Then Rick says we used to call it hot boxing.
243:04 Yes. It's a contact high. Well, apparently there is some disagreement about that.
243:14 I'm going to consult the sands.
243:17 The sands say yes. What's the sands?
243:21 AI. AI. You got to be kidding me. Okay. Let's move on.
243:24 This guy. I was doing it as a joke.
243:27 I know, I know. They said washroom.
243:30 I was looking for this and I tried bathroom, restroom, all that sort of stuff.
243:34 Question for Luke while Linus is in the washroom probably. Gen AI is being compared to the industrial revolution,
243:40 short-term disruption with long-term benefits. How much carnage until the good part?
243:46 So tell me something.
243:49 The industrial revolution.
243:53 Benefit yes, but to everyone?
243:58 No. Or was the benefit
244:03 massively unequal and is it in fact worse for people who are on the lower rungs of the social ladder
244:14 than things were before?
244:18 I'm talking like you're sifting through, you know, the shipped off,
244:24 you know, cadmium infested remains of technology in
244:32 some place where they're literally just like burning this stuff to get
244:36 to the precious metals that are in it.
244:41 The industrial revolution was highly beneficial to the owner class in the developed world.
244:47 I'm not convinced that it was necessarily beneficial to every human being on earth.
244:52 It's interesting because like you could argue a lot of medicines and stuff wouldn't have been
244:58 possible really without more advanced technologies that came from things like the industrial
245:03 revolution. And those benefited people, but they sure as heck didn't benefit anyone who's not
245:09 getting access to what you described. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
245:13 Interesting. Uh, to more directly address. Oh no, I wasn't done.
245:17 Okay, keep going. Gen AI, same thing.
245:21 I think that's what we're going to see. I think we're going to see short-term disruption to
245:26 unequally to people. And I think we're going to see long-term benefits very unequally to.
245:36 I'd even wager even more unequally. Possibly.
245:39 I also think it has an interesting effect.
245:43 Wendell, Wendell shared me a meme recently that I couldn't agree with more.
245:47 Um, not, not directly, you know, whatever.
245:51 It's still a meme, but, um, if it would load, what, discord?
245:56 Hello. Uh, anyways, it was something along the lines of like, if, if the world realized how fast,
246:04 um, like local AI is getting extremely good.
246:08 Here it is. Yeah. It's a tweet, apparently.
246:12 If people understood how good local LLMs are getting, the stock market would crash tomorrow.
246:16 Um, and it was a response to a tweet that said, anthropic doesn't want you to know,
246:20 but you can self-host LLM like Quinn and use it in cloud code for free.
246:24 Um, there is an interesting side effect of this where the beneficial part for some people
246:32 is happening now. It's less applicable to some and it's highly applicable to other others.
246:36 Locally hosting this stuff is expensive and not the easiest thing for everyone to do.
246:43 Um, but you can also gain gain access non locally hosted.
246:47 That was just kind of an aside for actually quite cheap and in a lot of cases completely
246:51 free and it's enabling this like, I don't remember who was talking about it, but it's
246:57 there are some comparisons you can make to renaissance knowledge, education, speed of
247:05 learning and ability to jump into something from nowhere and get to a fairly, uh, competent point
247:11 has like never really been easier flip side, speed of misinformation and disinformation
247:16 for sure. Like there are, I'm not, I'm not trying to hide that there are extreme negatives.
247:21 Right. I'm saying that in some cases there are, there are the ability for one person to leverage themselves
247:28 very highly. I don't think has ever quite been at this level before, which is interesting, which is very,
247:35 very interesting. And some people are already turning that into like highly positive beneficial situations
247:41 overall. What we're doing is enabling the surveillance of extreme garbage and slop massive amounts
247:51 of surveillance state because self hosting is so expensive that you're probably doing it
247:55 through some other system, which is harvesting every single thing you've ever typed into it,
247:59 building profiles on you. Like we've never seen before, like only wet dreams of early Google.
248:05 Like there is, there is so much bad, but in almost everything, especially this complicated,
248:13 there is diamonds in the rough. And there are people that are utilizing this stuff to extremely beneficial personal.
248:21 And I mean small, small person degrees.
248:24 Social mobility is I guess what you're trying to say. Massive amounts of it for specific people who can think of a way to leverage it.
248:32 Yep. For themselves positively. But that doesn't change what I said about the benefit being highly unequal.
248:37 And all knowing socks says even homeless people have supercomputers in their pockets.
248:41 The industrial revolution came with new problems, but was overall beneficial.
248:45 But I think you're missing part of what I was saying. And yeah, a homeless person in the USA is probably in a better position than that same
248:55 homeless person in Southeast Asia or India. Oh, well, yeah.
248:58 Yeah. And like the USA is actually a very small portion of the global population.
249:09 Like I don't know that I don't know that.
249:13 He literally did divide it up by like countries. Yeah, people in Western countries, I don't think necessarily always remember
249:20 how in the minority we are in general.
249:29 Yeah, it's going to be a rough and frankly, all of this, I mean, we got to keep in mind
249:36 all of this is coming from the perspective of someone who is
249:40 much less likely to be harmed by any of this.
249:44 Oh, yeah. Yeah.
249:47 Like we're going to be fine. We're in a position to leverage AI, leverage this revolution,
249:56 invest capital and benefit from it.
250:04 Like when I say this is bad, I don't mean bad for me. I just, I mean bad like generally.
250:10 It's the yikes. Moolajin, which I hope I said correctly, said,
250:14 dude, the, did I just lose audio? Did you just unplug?
250:18 I'm sorry. I'm just fidgeting. Said, dude, the people in Chile that sort or is in chemical baths for like 20 cents a day.
250:24 It's absolutely crazy. Yeah, they are not better off than they would have been in like a more agricultural society
250:31 200 years ago. I pretty much promise you that.
250:35 Yeah. It's weird. But yeah, there are, man.
250:40 I'm sorry. Is it worry?
250:43 There we go. And like the uncontacted people in South America that are getting like mercury poison
250:49 from illegal gold mines, they're not better off.
250:52 That makes sense. Yeah. But I mean, it's, I think it's important to see both ends of it at the same time and hold
251:00 both sides of it in your mind. I think you need to, to like have a more accurate perspective on it, I guess.
251:07 I think you need to recognize the good sides and recognize the bad sides.
251:12 There are absolutely ways that it has helped. I think the modern Renaissance version of it is something that shouldn't be ignored
251:20 even while you can hold and understand the concepts of the negatives that it is also creating.
251:26 And I mean, bots makes a good point. You know, scholarly papers I've seen on global food security show it's way better globally
251:32 than before the industrial revolution as is medicine. And that's fine.
251:35 But that doesn't change that a generally good thing can still be worse for some people.
251:46 And that was the entire point was that this is not a universal benefit.
251:52 Like the industrial revolution, this is not going to universally elevate people.
251:57 There are people's lives who will be worse for it. There are also people's lives who will be better for it.
252:01 And some who, where it will be much better.
252:05 But it does seem like this one, this one steers even farther toward benefiting the haves
252:14 at the expense of the have nots. And the surveillance one is a huge one that we didn't touch on too much,
252:19 but is a major element of this. I don't know that in another 30, 40, 50 years with autonomous tools for population management
252:32 and cameras everywhere, I don't know that peasant uprisings will still be possible.
252:44 I don't know that you'll still be able to overthrow a corrupt dictator.
252:52 I don't know that it will be possible anymore. Something makes you want to push forward the indomitable human spirit.
252:58 I feel like we'd find a way, but I understand what you're saying.
253:02 I hope so. I still have that hope. There's a lot of, you know, the Gen Z uprisings and stuff.
253:08 There's a lot of crazy stuff going on right now and big in a lot of ways.
253:13 But there's no army of impervious robot dogs with AI controlled turrets on them.
253:21 Hacker bros, dude. Hacker bros. Let's hope for the best.
253:28 The hacker bros are goaded. But like how are the North Koreans doing even now?
253:33 But that has nothing to do with...
253:38 I mean, they're definitely using population management tools.
253:42 Guarantee you they're using AI. Yeah.
253:48 100% the wealthy pitting us lessers against each other. Yeah, I mean, for sure.
253:51 Well, it's the cookie thing. There are a few truer memes than the cookie meme.
253:58 Big time. How is that not the first cookie meme?
254:04 Google, are you trying to hide this from me? I could, I could see cookie monster stuff being shared.
254:12 Oh, wow. Yeah, but still, how far do I have to go for this surprise?
254:16 It hasn't shown up yet.
254:21 There we go. Top top left.
254:28 I don't know what it says, but this is the meme. Yeah, it's basically this.
254:33 Yeah.
254:36 Yeah. Yeah.
254:44 But anyways, yeah, it's, you know, if you can afford... I'm, once I get my stupid condo to liveable again,
254:53 I'm planning on trying to figure out local hosting in a big way
254:56 for a wide variety of things, but including local LLM and AI services.
255:04 I don't really want to use public ones much moving forward.
255:10 I want to shift to that largely inspired by Wendell.
255:16 I was already planning on it, but largely inspired by Wendell.
255:20 And I would highly encourage all of you to explore it.
255:24 I understand it can be expensive. There are also much cheaper ways to approach it.
255:29 Used hardware is obviously a good way to go. The Mac stuff is very, very interesting.
255:36 And if you can't jump in now, there's always the possibility
255:40 that these big data centers will be updating cards eventually.
255:45 And what you can run now on that level of hardware
255:49 will be runnable in the future on that level of hardware.
255:53 So you might be behind, but you'd have at least what we currently have today
255:58 at your usage.
256:03 There was a pretty good little chat message here.
256:06 Coordinated Carrie asks, can you name one change with truly universal benefit?
256:12 I'm going to go with open source.
256:20 Anyone at harm had it coming. I've got Mr. Torvalds on the mind.
256:28 I can counter that. Okay, counter that. Hit me. Because there's been malware distributed through open source stuff.
256:34 There has been ways that- I don't think that was open source.
256:38 But it enabled it. But Net, did it make the life of that person who was infected with malware worse?
256:48 Because overall, it contributed so much positive to their life too.
256:52 I have to look through some of the cases of- Open source is a pretty good one.
257:00 Open source or source available?
257:04 That is a good question. Walker161, penicillin. Yeah, penicillin was pretty dope.
257:08 Oh, where's that exclusive open source? Never said it was. Not even a little bit.
257:13 Didn't even sort of say that. I do indeed like both hot dogs and hamburgers.
257:19 Insulin. Insulin was pretty sick. That was a pretty good argument.
257:22 That was us, wasn't it? Yeah, Canadian innovation. Let's go. You're welcome.
257:26 Base, base, base, base. Did he sell it for a dollar?
257:30 Something like that, yeah. Base. Absolutely base. Base.
257:33 And yet somehow it still costs a lot of money in some places, ridiculous.
257:38 Yeah. In spite of our industrial medicine.
257:42 Okay, carry on, Dan. Hey, big L. Remember when the internet tried spotting your face in computer case reflections back
257:50 when slick PC kept things secret?
257:53 Was it all fun or did it ever feel like stocking or doxing?
257:57 It's kind of hard to even remember about that. I thought it was pretty fun. I think I thought it was fun.
258:01 Yeah, I'm pretty sure we both thought it was pretty fun. I think so.
258:04 It's genuinely been, I was talking about this the other day, it's been almost half my life.
258:10 Because the whole thing was stupid and didn't matter. Like the only reason for the secrecy was because the original NCIX cameraman didn't
258:17 and still doesn't want his name out there.
258:22 And so it started with calling him the cameraman because he didn't want his name used.
258:28 And then I was like, well, this has become kind of a shtick for the channel. So now it's just a thing.
258:31 So you need a nickname because it's Linus and nickname person who's off camera.
258:36 And then, but it didn't, it never mattered. It wasn't like Luke asking, it wasn't like the cameraman or Luke cared.
258:43 So it was just for the memes. I also didn't care that I was being hidden either.
258:49 Like I just didn't care. It got kind of dumb eventually, but eventually then we changed it.
258:55 Yeah. And then it was fine. It just didn't really matter that much in either direction until it got dumb.
259:02 Hey, thanks for your purchase.
259:06 Hi, DLM. Hi, DLM. In retrospect, do you have components of Flowplain Labs or other development projects?
259:13 You wish you had gone with a commercial product rather than developing on your own.
259:18 Thanks for the merch. I can point at a bunch of stuff on Flowplain and be like, yeah,
259:24 but one of the problems was a lot of them didn't exist at the time. Or they might have existed, but their continued existence was very questionable
259:33 to the point where we even picked something that we went with that
259:39 still technically exists, but like not really and we're somewhat locked into it.
259:43 Or the existence seemed solid, but it was very expensive.
259:47 Or that. Like there was always a reason for doing things the way that we did.
259:51 Yeah. It didn't stay reasonable always.
259:56 And there's some stuff that we will still probably pivot off eventually.
260:00 There's some stuff that we already have. And that'll keep changing over time.
260:05 But like, I think the initial decisions made along the path were very reasonable
260:10 considering the knowledge we had at the time. I understand that's not the question that you're asking.
260:15 You're saying in retrospect, but yeah, at the time the decisions were made,
260:18 there was usually not an option that made more sense.
260:23 If we could have snapped our fingers and known that certain systems were going to remain
260:26 or that certain systems would have had very effective price decreases or whatever,
260:31 there's a couple of changes. It would be pretty sick to actually, I mean, it's been pretty good for a while now.
260:37 But we went through a lot of trials and tribulations with transcoding.
260:42 Our current system is pretty dope transcoding all the backlogs for the
260:48 sauce plus stuff while also transcoding like Jeff Gehrling's backlog upload
260:55 all at kind of like the same time. And no one noticed that it was like really fast and very parallelized was sick.
261:03 It was very cool to like do that sort of on our own.
261:06 We talked about this, I think last week, but we have auto-generated AI-generated
261:13 closed captions on automatic ones on Floatplane now.
261:18 We're doing the compute on that. That is whisper. Sorry, yes.
261:22 Yeah, but we're not, we are doing the, it's running like on our stuff.
261:26 Yeah. And like, that's cool. Yes. I like, I like to, it's, yeah.
261:31 Anyways, so yeah, I don't know. For the lab, what exactly was the question?
261:38 Was there something? Well, you weren't involved in a lot of the early decisions.
261:42 Yeah, so I wouldn't. So I'm sure he'd do it differently, but that doesn't necessarily mean that
261:48 Luke sort of made a mistake or whatever, or even that it was a mistake.
261:52 It's just everyone has a different philosophy. Yeah. All right, Dan, hit me.
261:58 Hi, LLD. I got to go to IBM's future of tape event.
262:02 And future of tape. Wow. Wow.
262:05 And see their development. Future of eight track.
262:09 But no tape is. We're doing nine. The tape is legit. I know.
262:12 Don't make fun of tape, man. And see their development lab for physical and virtual tape.
262:19 Virtual tape. Hard drives. Insanely cool. Oh, it's virtual tape.
262:23 Would enterprise tape be interesting enough for an LLD video?
262:27 I have a guy. We've done some videos on tape.
262:31 I don't know what more there would be to say other than, yep,
262:34 here's the new generation tape. And it's more denser.
262:41 So we did, we did this a number. Oh my God, that was seven years ago.
262:46 We got a $5,500 tape drive and.
262:51 You look so baby. I know, right? And this is it.
262:55 It's Thunderbolt. Go figure. And I think we still have it somewhere.
263:02 I don't know that it's changed enough that I would have anything new to say about it
263:08 in the last seven years. It's faster and more denser. But if I'm missing something here, please let me know.
263:14 Okay. Virtual tape is interesting, actually.
263:17 Oh, I'm sure. IBM TS7700 virtual tape library.
263:21 4.2 petabytes for high performance workloads.
263:24 Looks like that, which is sick. The new IBM TS7780 virtual tape library, the latest in the generation,
263:32 operates at disc or SSD speeds while maintaining,
263:36 and this is the part what made it make sense, compatibility with existing tape operations.
263:41 Okay. So it's just not tape. But it like acts like it.
263:46 So if you have systems that are expecting tape type operations, it will work.
263:53 Okay. 46 petabytes of capacity delivered in an easy to use, easy to service,
264:01 IBM Diamondback tape library. That thing.
264:05 No, no, that's the tape one. Huh?
264:08 Is that not what this is talking about? That's the actual tape.
264:11 As well as IBM storage deep archive. Ah, okay.
264:14 Yeah. Uh, all right. Yeah.
264:18 Neat. Cool. I've never once used tape stuff.
264:21 I've always thought it's very fascinating. It's very cool. Yeah. And I've said everything I have to say about it, I think.
264:26 Nice. At some point, I wonder if we should just wipe the channel and start over.
264:33 No, why not? But I think you should effectively do that in regards to video creation.
264:40 Like just remake videos. I don't think there's a reason to delete your evergreen.
264:45 But I do think it is sometimes ridiculous to be like,
264:49 we can't make a video on that. We've made it before nine years ago as if like that really matters.
264:56 I don't, I don't think that makes sense. My, and I do think we should recreate videos if they're beyond like a certain time threshold
265:04 because it's all about the notification and stuff.
265:07 Right. Like for, for a lot of people, they're not going to search up a lot of these things.
265:12 They're looking for you to tell them. And if you don't release a video on it now, you have not told them.
265:19 I think it's totally reasonable. I'll think about it.
265:22 Hit me, Dan. L and L.
265:26 All the Steam news resurfaced the old WAN Show episode with the legendary Total Biscuit as
265:32 guest headline topic was OG Steam Controller.
265:36 That Brit is still missed. What was it like having him on? That was fun.
265:40 Yeah. I, I didn't really know him before that and we didn't really interact much after that.
265:45 And that's no longer an option, unfortunately.
265:51 But yeah, he was definitely, definitely, I'd say one of our more outstanding guests.
265:57 What was it like having him? Oh, it's sorry. I just like said on to out.
266:01 And I was like, he didn't come up here. My bad. Also, we're, um, it looks like 25 videos away from 7,000.
266:10 That's dumb. That's a good time to quit, I think. It's big.
266:14 No, that's too many. It's becoming a funky thing where Dan's trying to figure out, uh, API calls and analytics.
266:20 And we want to like call analytics from all our videos.
266:24 That's a lot of API calls. So we're like smashing into the quota cap and we're talking to YouTube.
266:30 Like, we have across our channels, 13,216 videos today.
266:36 Just pull analytics on that all the time. It's too many time to quit.
266:39 I, I pull every two hours.
266:42 So that's 160,000 API calls a day.
266:46 It's a little. Am I allowed to quit once I get to over 9,000 on the LTT channel?
266:53 I saw 9,001 delete channel. Then is my, is my power level high enough?
267:00 I feel like you can take a sabbatical. I could take a sabbatical.
267:04 I've earned that at that point. Okay. I'll keep that in mind.
267:11 Hi, LGS, LL and DB. How important is digital hygiene for you?
267:17 Starting with deleting old items from download folders and continuing with removing unnecessary
267:22 test policies as IT admins.
267:26 If it's something I use frequently, very important to me, like my desktop is clean.
267:34 I think, hold on, let me check. You probably just don't show it, right?
267:38 Desktop hide. No, you do show it.
267:42 Oh, no, it's nasty. It's not clean. Okay. That's not nasty.
267:45 I've seen a lot worse. Yeah. I have, look at that. I have like icons there and they're not even like.
267:51 It is less than what I would have expected from you.
267:54 You know what? I haven't been using this laptop for that long. My desktop at home though, like my desktop is immaculate.
268:03 And like, I don't care about my downloads folder because sometimes it can be convenient
268:07 to grab something that I downloaded before. Also don't care about my downloads folder.
268:10 But it's like one of the only spots. My media folders.
268:14 Very clean. Adhere to standard naming conventions.
268:17 I use file bot, I think is what it's called to like make sure that it's all right and stuff.
268:23 So yeah, it just depends. It depends how often I use it.
268:26 If I don't use it very often, like, oh my God, like I still had my UB key active as a 2FA,
268:33 even though I hadn't used it in like nine years or something like that,
268:37 until Vance finally removed it like two weeks ago, after I was like talking about how ridiculous it was on land show.
268:43 UB key bio is really cool. Someone like that to me.
268:47 UB key bio? Yeah. You want to look at it?
268:54 I didn't know they did this. I think it's pretty sick. Oh, it's expensive.
268:58 It's cool though. Sure is. Jeez.
269:01 It's like 130 bucks each.
269:04 Yep. Well, whatever. Sure. Fine.
269:09 But yeah, bio authenticated. Cool. Pretty sick.
269:13 Makes sense. Not surprised they went that route. Yeah. Kind of makes more sense than the other one.
269:18 Yeah. Here's the thing I have and I'm me.
269:21 Boom. Yeah, I like that. All right. What's up?
269:26 Linus last week you said no is lame.
269:30 Yes and but is gulag. What's the best no you've given out?
269:36 I don't know.
269:40 I would have said Christmas album, but I finally caved last week.
269:44 No, you caved to a new Christmas album.
269:48 You still said no to the old Christmas album. Oh, yeah. That's true. No, no, it didn't.
269:51 So it doesn't count. No, it didn't. He said yes and only if Riley does a cooler one
269:57 and only if that one is only a digital download. Yeah.
270:01 Okay. So yeah, I tried to find a way eventually. Yeah.
270:04 Because what have I said no about? I mean, what am I in no one?
270:14 Oh, yeah, you yes, ended me on that one, but I didn't like it.
270:18 I want to make a Labs channel, but I have been told no,
270:23 because I need a content schedule for it, and I'm currently refusing to do that.
270:28 Okay. I think those are both reasonable things.
270:32 I actually didn't say no. I actually don't know if a content schedule for the Labs channel is reasonable.
270:37 I don't know if it makes sense.
270:41 I understand that makes it difficult to sell for.
270:44 I totally understand. And if we don't sell for it, it will not make money.
270:48 My thing is right now,
270:51 we're just making articles, which are awesome, but we could just turn the articles into videos.
270:55 And no, they're not. Not every article is like LTT quality,
270:58 which is fine and never been the goal. And to be clear, we're not saying it's not quality.
271:02 I mean, depth is more. Or clickability or whatever.
271:06 However you want to call it. Just I thought quality was not the right word. I think they're really good quality.
271:10 No, totally. Okay. Quality is incorrect word,
271:13 but we're not going to get a million views on the 40 watt dynamic power adapter
271:18 and iPhone 17 charging article.
271:21 I think it's sick though. And I actually think a lot more people should know about it
271:25 because it's a cool, it's a cool, it's very cool article. The conclusion taught me things.
271:29 I liked it. I don't think I'm actually the one who said no anyway.
271:33 Or yes, and You might be right.
271:37 I think, I think I
271:41 I think I So if you're trying to do an end around right now, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not getting involved.
271:47 No, no, no, I'm not. Okay.
271:50 Linestown. It's been a while since I asked. I think I have asked. Linestown.
271:54 I'm not saying no, I'm saying it's stupid. Okay, so what's the end?
271:59 The end is I don't have the f***ing money for it yet.
272:02 I don't actually have unlimited money. This may surprise you. Sounds like we're going to get there.
272:06 Given the way that I behave. Loans are a thing. Buying fire trucks.
272:10 Like how many kidneys do you have? You have children. We just got to get you to that beyond 9,000 videos
272:18 and we'll get there. I mean, I wouldn't even want to live in the town.
272:22 That's the real problem. I don't think it's necessary.
272:25 That's stupid. Nope. How can I run a cult if I'm not actually there?
272:29 You just need a really, really, really tall tower outside of the town.
272:32 How does Gaben run steam? From a yacht.
272:35 Valve. Sorry. From a yacht. He gets it.
272:38 See? Yeah, there's the yes and we get him a yacht. Yeah, but why are we not doing it?
272:42 You're not giving a proper and. You're not playing by your own rules.
272:46 Well, we just discovered that he would do it if there was a yacht, so now we have the and.
272:50 Let's move on. Okay, cultists. If you will be responsible for raising the money to purchase the town
272:59 and I will do nothing but reap benefits from it,
273:02 then yes, Linus Town approved. Now he's thinking like a cult leader.
273:06 I like this good job.
273:09 Okay, we're up next. Before we move to Taiwan.
273:13 Ah, that wasn't no. That was I don't want to and therefore no.
273:19 That sounds like a pretty cool no, though. Abroot your entire life.
273:25 No, I know. It's a good idea, but no. I think I think I understand what you're trying to do with this whole don't say no,
273:32 say yes and thing, but it's also like extremely toxic at certain times.
273:36 I heard back from the head robot leaked the DM well earned.
273:41 So we've got I've got approval. That's so cool. They're so cool.
273:45 I know. How are they so cool? In general, you want to be an enabler who enables the people around you.
273:52 That's all I'm trying to get across. I know. It's not a blanket.
273:56 I understand your point. I understand your point. Thank you. But just like when people say everyone,
274:03 you jump after them because you're like not actually everyone.
274:06 It's the same thing. In general, you want to be an enabler.
274:11 Not like Megan Kelly.
274:14 Who's don't enable that? All right. Well, there's a fairly recent controversy.
274:20 I don't know who don't worry about it. Do worry about it, actually.
274:25 Do worry about this. Okay, Dan, hit me.
274:28 Sure. Hey, LD Linus or slick.
274:33 If enough floaters that wanted a VR version of Floatplane, would you do it?
274:38 What would a VR version of Floatplane be? Wouldn't it just be watching videos in a browser in your VR headset?
274:45 I think you have it already. I mean, I played Floatplane in the Apple Vision Pro,
274:50 but I think what they're meaning is like 360 video where you can turn your head.
274:57 It's a dead meme. It is for sure a dead meme.
275:01 Definitely not enough people want it. Hey, we're doing what we can to give people what they do want right now.
275:08 Okay. We're focused on that. All right.
275:14 Yeah. Yeah, that's a no, actually. That's a no.
275:18 And here's the reasons. The reasons are that you care and no one else.
275:22 And I'm sorry that it has to be like that. But the question was if enough did.
275:27 You're not being very yes and right now, Linus. If enough did, we'd do it, of course.
275:32 There you go. Yeah. They definitely don't though and never will. So there's that caveat.
275:45 Oh, yeah, I don't. Who do you think will be in the NHL Play A Calgary Flames fan ATP2?
275:50 I don't know what any of that means.
275:54 Me neither. Is that a gambling thing? Maybe. Play A?
275:57 No idea. Is that a thing? Do they need playoffs?
276:00 No idea. Oh, okay. Well, up next.
276:05 Play Alberta. Play A. It sounds like it's gambling, maybe.
276:10 Disney, Lucasfilm, and Moomoo. Linus, did you ever see the live action How to Train Your Dragon?
276:18 Will you visit the theme park in Florida? I proposed to girlfriend in front of Toothless there a few weeks ago.
276:26 She counterproposed. I'll go to the theme park. I made it about 30% of the way through the live action How to Train Your Dragon.
276:33 The original animated film is perfect and the live action one is like a weird
276:40 Funhouse mirror reflection of perfect.
276:44 They did stay very true to it. And if it brings a new generation of people into, you know, thinking how to train your
276:51 dragon and the sort of general message behind it of seeing past our differences,
276:57 even though we're enemies and all of that kind of cool stuff. I think it's a really cool story.
277:02 You know, if it does that, then that's great. I am a fan, but I didn't personally have any use for it because the original was already
277:10 a perfect film. I forgot to do your award.
277:16 My award? Yeah. What is this exactly?
277:19 Received an award. I've received an award. He's talking, but he's not talking into a mic.
277:25 Is it another Billy Billy plaque? That's my guess.
277:29 I'm throwing a guess out there. That's my guess. You're throwing a guess, a Billy Billy plaque?
277:32 No, you already have a silver and a gold.
277:37 I'm getting an award. Well, I mean, Luke doesn't need to be here for this, then.
277:47 It's fine. It's fine. No, if you go in your camera, they might be able to see it better.
277:50 No, just me, man. Okay. They can see it after.
277:54 What is this?
277:57 Actually, what is it? It's a Linus Media Group.
278:03 What is this? What? Yeah, what?
278:06 Linus Media Group Brand Impact Award for, hold on.
278:12 What is it? For Outstanding Influence Amplifying GLI Nets Worldwide Presence.
278:21 Oh, no, I did know about this.
278:24 They invited us to an event and to present it.
278:29 To make cool stuff. I said, regrettably, we can't make it.
278:32 We did that sponsored video with them recently. I mean, to make cool stuff, I don't know.
278:37 Upgrading Natalie's house. Cool. I didn't know that I'd get an award for doing a sponsored video.
278:43 You know, they know they already paid me, right? For the sponsored video.
278:47 I mean, getting an award is also cool. I mean, I don't mind awards.
278:50 Honestly, I think you should give me an award every time you pay me. You want me to give you an award every time?
278:55 No, no. Every time? Wait, every time I pay you. Yeah, I'd also have to give you an award.
279:00 No? Wait, yes, and if you hold on, I'm thinking.
279:11 See, I was going to say something like if you went sort of beyond the call of duty,
279:14 but he really does. Yeah, get rekt. He's great.
279:17 How can I justify not giving him an award every time I pay him?
279:23 Huh. Maybe I should. I'll tell you what, here's what it'll be.
279:28 It'll be in the form of a monthly, no, a monthly budget on LTTstore.com
279:34 and occasional random LTTstore.com things. That's how we'll do it.
279:38 Nice. Yeah. Conveniently, we already do that, so.
279:41 Isn't it yearly budget? Yeah, but it could be broken up by 12.
279:46 Being on WAN Show, you also end up with a lot of extras. I do. I have no complaints.
279:51 You know, there is a company that you and I both visited recently
279:56 that I figured out what their merch budget is.
279:59 Is it good? It's definitely lower than ours. Oh, really?
280:03 Oh, oh, is this company, how do we not name them?
280:10 Yeah, and like, I don't think we would ever name this one. No, I don't think we should name them.
280:14 Yeah, but you know. We actually have a pretty generous merch budget.
280:18 I realize that. Like, we actually do try to not be a shitty place to work.
280:23 I told them ours while we were having that conversation, and they were like, whoa.
280:26 And I didn't tell them the host one, because the host one's higher. It has to be because you're going to need stuff
280:31 that you have when you're on camera. Like, it has to be higher.
280:34 It makes sense. I told them the normal one.
280:39 Yeah, anyways. We had this as a bit of a topic earlier.
280:42 Hello, LLD. With the current RAM prices rising due to AI demand,
280:46 do you think now is a good time to upgrade? What are the long-term effects of AI infrastructure
280:51 on consumer-grade hardware prices? Long-term will be OK.
280:55 If anything, it'll drive it down because they're going to build up massive capacity
280:59 and the bubble will, at the very least, deflate, probably burst.
281:02 And the used market traditionally has actually benefited from large infrastructure expenditure.
281:08 As for now being a good time to upgrade, probably, I think it's going to get worse before it gets better.
281:13 But that's not financial advice. Hey, Luke.
281:16 Sharing the love of all things NASA, have you ever seen a launch in person?
281:21 Ooh. I also, for a short time, got to work with NASA Huntsville
281:26 via a vendor-customer relationship.
281:29 When did you get to see a launch in person? One time. I thought you missed it, unlike a thing recently.
281:34 I thought this was like another sore point. There was a really cool one that I missed.
281:37 Oh, that's what I was thinking of. This was a really random one.
281:41 But when AJ and I were down there for the Threat Locker Conference.
281:46 Oh, so this was recent then. Yeah, we took off to go check out NASA.
281:52 And as we were pulling up, there was one,
281:56 I was like checking my news the whole time because there would only be specific times that we could go.
282:02 And we thought we had missed it because we thought it had gone like the night before, I think.
282:07 But there was some delay and it made it happen that day. And then we couldn't go right away because we were doing stuff.
282:12 But by the time we could go, we were like rolling up into the parking lot,
282:16 like when it was happening. And we ran to this like corner where we could see it.
282:20 So we hadn't even entered yet. Nice. And we technically walked into the employee parking lot.
282:26 Wow. Just confidently and got to a corner.
282:31 Sorry, got to a corner where we could see better. Quality NASA security, yeah.
282:35 And we actually got a pretty decent vantage point.
282:39 We ended up seeing where a lot of people would watch it
282:42 from the actual park thing that they have. And our spot was actually pretty solid.
282:49 I'm really hoping to see one of the Artemis launches eventually.
282:54 Starship would be really cool sometime. This was just more of a fairly small,
283:00 somewhat routine thing that just happened to be going off the day. The amount of rockets they're launching like all the time now
283:05 is pretty wild. So yeah.
283:10 But then we promptly exited the, I believe employee only parking area
283:15 and entered the park properly and then had a good time.
283:18 That's great. Hi, LLD. Never knew I needed a hackable,
283:23 arch-based VR headset until Valve announced one.
283:26 Any cool ideas considering you could almost certainly do anything with it?
283:29 Also, did it have a desktop mode? I don't believe anything would prevent you
283:34 from running desktop mode on it on a giant screen.
283:37 For me, I think the biggest,
283:41 the biggest use case this unlocks for me for VR
283:44 is travel with my laptop. I am like stoked to play full-fat PC VR games
283:51 with a laptop with like an eGPU and my VR headset that all packs into like my commuter bag.
283:57 That's crazy. Absolutely wild. I really enjoy the idea of this thing being portable.
284:03 That's, yeah. I'm for sure getting one basically.
284:08 Kind of depends on price, I guess. And we both know the quest lineup exists,
284:12 but I don't think either of us has ever felt particularly compelled to go meta for our VR needs.
284:18 I have been fairly strongly turned off from that.
284:24 Yeah. What was the product your own or third party
284:27 that you knew about early that you found the hardest to keep secret?
284:32 Oh, oh man, there's, oh man.
284:43 The hardest to keep secret?
284:49 I don't actually find out about third party stuff that early.
284:54 And I don't keep secrets very well for our own developments.
285:00 I think that's part of the marketing strategy at this point.
285:05 Probably the one that I struggled the most on was our battery bank, which we have alluded to,
285:12 but not really talked about much yet, but it's been in development for I think over two years now.
285:18 And for a long time, I really didn't talk about it
285:21 because the product itself was not particularly well defined.
285:25 Like we had an idea of what we wanted to try to achieve
285:29 and we've achieved a lot of that, but not all of it.
285:32 And so we wanted to make sure that we weren't setting people's expectations too high.
285:38 It's getting pretty close to the point where I can start talking about it in more detail,
285:42 but yeah, I'd say holding back a ton of that has been really challenging.
285:47 Yes, we're getting triple C.
285:52 You mentioned on last WAN Show that Google killed the nest and a project was started.
285:58 I created it and open sourced it. Appreciate the shout-out.
286:02 Also, Google was still sending logs from those devices.
286:06 Shout-out Kody Kay. Absolutely sick, assuming you are actually the person who did it
286:11 and you're not just taking credit, but probably you're honest, but super cool.
286:17 And yeah, why does that not surprise me at all?
286:24 Yeah, shocked, I say. Well, actually not that shocked.
286:28 It's just, you shut off my functionality,
286:31 but yeah, still want my data. Really?
286:36 That's so cool if this person is the person who did that. That's so sick.
286:40 Enjoy your RGB sweater. Yeah, hell yeah.
286:44 For both hosts, for your main gaming rig, are you Team Red or Team Blue for Proc and Wine?
286:50 Red. Yeah, obviously.
286:55 And Red for a while. Yep.
286:58 Better Red than Dead. Better Dead than Red?
287:02 I don't know. It's rough over there right now, man.
287:06 I hope they figure it out. I hope so too. A strong Intel is good for the industry.
287:11 Yeah. Last one I got for you tonight.
287:14 Sup, LLD? I love your zipper hoodies, so I'd never pass up the Red WAN hoodie.
287:19 Sick. But I was a big fan of orange. Hope to see that again one day.
287:24 Also, what happened to the pajama pants? They were great.
287:27 They didn't sell that well. I love them too. I love my LTT pajama pants.
287:31 I only got one pair and I wish I had more.
287:34 I don't know that we'll do an orange. The Red is selling really well.
287:38 And after many long, sometimes surprisingly,
287:43 intense conversations. We have passionate people here.
287:46 And they can be passionate about everything. Design, color, fit materials.
287:52 The reason our products are good is because people care. But when people care, you can have strong opinions
287:57 and you can have clashes. And it's not like we have the kind of culture
288:01 where people would yell at each other or be mean to each other or whatever.
288:04 But I've had some very opinionated conversations
288:09 with particularly Bridget, who's head of fashion.
288:12 And she felt very strongly that having some red
288:18 and some orange WAN products was really confusing. And so we debated whether we should even be able
288:26 to launch a red WAN hoodie when we still have
288:29 an orange WAN backpack, for instance. And she made very good points about how that kind of
288:36 confuses what WAN branding means.
288:39 And I made very good points about how, oh my god, we can't hope to sell out all of the desk pads
288:45 and all of the backpacks and all of the everything
288:48 before we can launch one product. We want to get it out there and find out
288:52 if people are going to even receive this red thing at all
288:56 or if we're going to have to go back to orange anyway and then we wiped out all of inventory for nothing
289:00 and then made a big bet on red everything for nothing.
289:03 So everyone had really good points.
289:06 And what we settled on was okay.
289:11 I agree with you that it needs to not be confusing. You're 100% right.
289:16 But the business needs us to test this before we can commit full hog.
289:21 And I think at this point, she's one that red works
289:26 and it's time to go full hog. And once we do that, then I think she's right
289:31 that WAN can't just be random colors. It has to mean something.
289:35 And now I think it's going to mean red and gray and black.
289:40 What? Chat has a very interesting point.
289:43 A lot of people in chat have a very interesting point. Does WAN have an after dark sub brand?
289:50 No, I think our monochrome brand is still stealth. We haven't used it much lately.
289:54 Oh, interesting. I could be open to that.
289:59 It's a genuinely really interesting idea. The after dark hoodie, I could get behind that.
290:06 It's just interesting that we can throw purple into the brand mix very logically.
290:11 ShortCircuit has it too. ShortCircuit is predominantly purple, isn't it?
290:18 It's a mix, right? Yeah, it's got a variety of ShortCircuit.
290:26 I like that Dan just said ShortCircuit.
290:30 Nothing else. I mean, they're purple. They are so their main color is purple.
290:34 They're like a bunch of stuff, though. Mm-hmm.
290:40 Orange, pink, purple, white, yellow, dark blue, yellow.
290:46 All right, after dark hoodie.
290:52 I feel like an after dark hoodie might actually be really sick.
290:56 Just saying.
290:59 After dark pants too? Aslis chaps.
291:07 What pants do we have right now that could be after dark?
291:14 All right. Scheduled for Monday morning. And excuse me, sorry, with that, I think it's time to say good night
291:23 and have a wonderful weekend. We'll see you again next week. Same bad time, same bad channel.
291:27 Almost five hours. Bye. That's crazy.
291:31 That was not.