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Oh, okay, so I guess we're only live on Twitch?

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We're so back. What? No, it just takes a second.

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I thought you said floatplume was down. No, no, no, no, the chat service was down.

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Oh, the chat service. And the chat service is back up.

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Well, the chat service is the only thing that matters, as we all know.

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Good to know. This will inform future development.

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No. We could just delete the entire site, except for the chat service.

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My life would be so much money on bandwidth. Oh, God, so I don't know.

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You'd be amazed how quickly they can spam emotes. Yeah, but emotes are heavily cashed, like so heavily cashed.

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Yeah, cashed money. No, that's the whole point.

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Anti-cached money. Also, I think it's back down.

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That's a peak dad joke. Spelling?

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Hominems? Let's go. It's about Emilia Bedelia up in the way on show.

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Now that's a quality reference. Thank you.

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I learned language from a book, hopefully not that book.

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I mean, this is one of the reasons I can't spell.

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Oh, man.

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OK, cool. No major controversies for the moment.

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We are live right now, right? Yes. Well, we've got a great show lined up.

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I can't interact with you people because I don't have a working chat.

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I'll just, my CTO is on it, though, our best people.

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Our best people are on it. Our best people? Yeah.

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Our best people. No, no, no, no.

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Then people will know that our company is actually like super small.

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We say our best people. So whenever I'm talking to important people, I'll be like, have your people talk to my

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people. You know. Bands.

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Like, stop naming the people.

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Yeah. Talk to Vance sounds way less cool.

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Staying videos, just like, yeah, we'll just get, like, I don't know, Janice from the other

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department. She'll send you the GPU.

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It's like how, like, Canada's entire passport and, like, government ID control system is

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just like Bob and Eunice in Newfoundland.

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Oh, my God, it's so is, though.

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It's like half a joke, but, like, I am, I'm going through getting some regulatory crap

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dealt with right now, and it is, God, it's painful, whether it's taxes or whether it's

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permits or just everything. Oh, my God, like.

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You've got to talk to Janice. I, I. They're a little swamped right now.

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Fishing season is just getting started. I am so confused by what's going on in the States, particularly because it's like smaller

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government is like this kind of neat idea in theory of, like, you know, staying out

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of my biz, but then also, like, I can tell you as a Canadian that when there's just nobody

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to talk to you at the Canada Revenue Agency, it's actually a pretty big problem.

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Big government, small people. Are your things for your braces yellow?

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Why would you do that?

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Because what they actually are is white, and what I actually did was order way too much

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curry by accident and eat nothing but butter chicken and korma for three days.

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So now they're yellow.

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They're turmeric colored.

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Deal with it. I mean, I can deal with it, but it looks so bad.

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It looks horrible.

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I think I got some white out here if you want to like paint it on.

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I was just like, whoa, it's like, is he, so you having a hard time over there?

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I got some, I got some spray paint in from there.

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It's not that bad. Right. Yeah, I could, I could color correct you.

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Hey, they're straighter though. It's good.

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Like it was getting to the point where it's kind of hard to clean the bottom ones.

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And now other than the one twisted one. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, they're, they're actually pretty straight now.

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My nickname for this one is twisties.

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Nice. Um, man, I've had, I don't know, I've had them on for, well, okay, no, no.

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We all know we can all look it up because the day that I got them on with the lossless

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scaling video, man, that is forever one of the greatest cuts where it just pushes so

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far into your face. Okay, so I've had them for about four months.

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It feels like a lot longer. It really does.

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Doesn't it? Really, really, truly does been here too long.

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Yeah, I am so ready for them to be off.

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We might not have a chat today.

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Oh, really? Yeah, actually.

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Am I going to do it? Do what? Read Twitch.

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Am I going to, am I going to open up? You could Twitch.tv.

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Am I going to? You could watch YouTube chat. You could watch YouTube chat.

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Am I going to go to TikTok? You don't have to go this far. Am I going to do that?

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Am I going to? You don't have to go this far. Oh my God, I'm doing it.

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I don't even remember how to pop it out anymore. Here we go.

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It must be here. There it is. Holy actual ball sack.

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It just happened. No way. Dude, they're going to lose their chat privileges so fast though.

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I got my mod icons open. I'm ready to start banning when you say.

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Like you know it's going to happen. They're going to lose their privileges.

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Pull a, what's that? I've got a macro for this and everything. Don't wait.

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Just flat. Pull a flat. Just ban like everybody.

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Yeah. I'm going to do that. I mean, I hate them.

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You can script banning people in chat. Really? Yeah.

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He just did like a banner snap. He did like. He just like got rid of half his viewers.

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Oh, I like it. Wasn't it? Maybe he's done it more than once.

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I thought it was anyone that had a Minecraft reference in their name. He's done a bunch where he's done like certain references.

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If you say a certain letter, you're going to be banned like the letter E.

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Nice. You're gone. Nice.

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Quality. Quality. This does not need to have audio.

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I forget if I, how does it work on Twitch?

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If I close the window, can the chat stay open? Yeah.

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Yeah. I don't think so. Yeah.

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Nice. Quality. I haven't used Twitch chat in years.

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I still read them.

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That explains so much. I have to read all of them. See this man?

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This is a man who has read Twitch chat far too much.

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Look, everyone's so happy in Twitch chat. You started a hype train. Which means people are giving you money right now.

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Look, it's a hype train. It sounds stupid. They're giving you money.

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That sounds stupid. They know how much money I have, right?

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Yo, guys, can we get to a level three hype train?

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So dumb. They're going to do it.

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You shouldn't give Linus some substitute on channel. You know the mean where there's the person with no cookies on their plate and the person

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with a few cookies on their plate? I want the person with all of the cookies talking to the other ones to be like, can

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we hit a level three hype train, please?

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I love that. Can we boost my Discord server?

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I'm not even going to be here for it. I'm going to go get a snack that I bought with my money that I already have.

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But now that money is gone, so if we can get to a level three hype train, we're at 80%.

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Let's go. Oh my God, I've got three minutes and 40 seconds left.

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Chat. I might be able to unlock a new...

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Linus, can I give you a gift sub to the LTT channel?

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He probably already has one. Linus said that if I get all the revenue from this hype train...

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Where? I'm trying. Woo!

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I love your review. You say that and it jumps. Let's go!

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Let's go! Yes! You're going to have the $12 or whatever we get after Twitch takes all their...

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We've got a good cut. Let's do this. Oh my God.

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Let's go. I'll actually try.

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Oh yeah, we're just about it.

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We just hit a level four hype train. Mr. Knowledge about Twitch stuff, what does it even mean?

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So a hype train is also named a scam train.

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It's literally just designed to be like be part of the hype train.

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By spending money. By spending money. Or a level five now.

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If you hit level five like we did or whatever. There are certain things.

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You unlock certain emotes for like limited time that you can use.

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They also have different types of hype trains. So like one of the hype trains is called a golden capital hype train.

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Where it's very... Yeah, one of the different hype trains is a golden capital hype train.

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Where if you get it, you get like a rare emote for 24 hours.

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And it's like actually really hard to get. Level seven!

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And then the other type of hype train is called a treasure train.

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Where if you get to a certain level, the gifted subs actually become cheaper.

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So it incentivizes people to gift even more to try to break certain records.

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So it's like, oh dude, now five gifted subs are 35% off.

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Because a measure of success on Twitch is how many subscribers you have.

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Yeah, yeah. So you're trying to push that, right? For sure.

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That makes sense. But like, okay, we are level seven. Now I understand there's scaling benefits, whatever.

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But like can you... Level eight!

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You have enough information with us apparently being level eight now.

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To know like how many came through. Like is it measured or does it like ramp based on speed?

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It ramps based on two factors. Okay.

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Size of channel. Size of channel.

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And average history with subscriptions.

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So like if you're... If you have a low history and then you're starting to...

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It'll okay. We have 662,839 followers currently.

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But 102 subscribers. Yeah, so us getting to a level seven hype train is going to be much easier than Kaesnat

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number one Twitch streamer to get to a level eight hype train because we don't normally

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achieve that. Yeah, we only need eight subs.

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Like I know some channels where to get to a level eight, it's like, hey, it'll be 25

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subs this time. Right. Right.

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Got it. So. That makes sense.

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I do love how historically when something goes wrong with one of my departments we get

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rewarded as a company. Well, this is just to fund the development time to fix the Floatplane chat, right?

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It's the hype train. It's 2.30 in the morning for them.

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I don't think it's going to happen. Oh my God.

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I was gone for five minutes because I assumed by then you guys would have gotten bored of

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this and stopped. Now we're at a level eight. Every time a level goes up resets the timer to five minutes, baby.

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I feel like just for the meme that I want to embrace it and just start screaming like

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hype train. No. All throughout the show.

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No. What if it doesn't stop the whole show? Can we add a topic?

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I'm changing the subject. Can we add a topic? The bell has been co-opted to Twitch now.

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You guys know that we're going to launch every week just about.

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We launch LTT Store products.

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Elijah, this is Poggers AF, whatever that means.

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If you must spend money, you can get real actual, what the fuck is wrong with you?

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Luke is hitting the gritty so hard right now.

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Guys, thank you so much. We can finally buy another multi-million dollar warehouse.

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Let's go. If we can get to level 10, you're getting that under feet camp.

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Feet camp. Feet camp. Feet camp.

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This is very, just Dan being the shelf or hype train is so funny to me.

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I learned from a zyge. Dan with the average. Don't say that.

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Don't. Don't say that.

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This is actually like I said, I can tell.

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Learn from a luxury.

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Listen, as someone of a hype train expert, I just want to say I'm helping the company

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make money today, boys. Your thing stopped going. I don't know if you wanted that to happen or not.

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Oh, you guys should actually like stop.

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I think we're level 10 now, baby. Oh my God.

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Yeah, level nine complete.

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Dan, do you want to somehow indicate on the flow plane and the chat isn't going to be

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working this week? Going to have brackets in the back of the title or something.

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I think title would probably be the best way to do it.

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Yeah. Unfortunate.

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Pitch is truly a reputable platform.

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One of the video platforms of all time. Well regarded.

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Yeah. Which is the best?

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Oh my God. 95% they like you a level 11 amount.

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The level that which loves you is measurable and it's 11.

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How does that make you feel? It might go up. It historically has been going up.

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Number go up.

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I'm going to be honest with you. The amount that they love you is almost a level 12.

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It's quantifiable. I don't know what it's out of.

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I do not actually understand what hype train is. See, we, yeah, we had an educational lesson.

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I can do another explanation. I don't care. Okay.

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I'm actually happier not knowing. I know that it involves throwing money away.

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No. It involves supporting creator.

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No, it involves throwing money away. And yachts?

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Valve? What a great segue.

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That's pretty good. That is pretty good.

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What I know is that the people who have large enough channels to get momentum on something

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like this are probably the people who need it least.

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Apparently it's no, it's scales based on your size channel. So you guys actually can get a hype train easier than someone.

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Yeah. Then someone else on like Twitch.

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Because you only need like three subs a level.

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I do hope everyone subscribing understands that full plane chat is going to work next week.

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So. I mean, this is also their way they get ad free on Twitch.

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Like it does. For a day? Well, no.

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Well, for the whole month. It works for the, yeah. A subs, they get ad free on your channel for a whole month when you subscribe to a channel.

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Right. So for the next four weeks on Wancho, there'll be no ads for Twitch.

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Sure. Every one of these people could have subscribed on Floatplane.

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Yeah. Yeah, for roughly the same price.

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Twitch Prime, a lot of them seem to be Amazon Prime.

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That's true. If you use Prime, they couldn't. There's a lot of Prime.

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Yeah. Because Primes are just whatever they're free. Prime.

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There's a Prime. Yeah. Well, quote free.

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Diversified revenue streams.

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Synchronized. I'm single-handedly making this on a percentile tonight.

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There's almost a double to our subscriber count.

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We only had a hundred. This is why we don't pay attention to them.

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We're like top 1% streamers with nearly 700,000 followers.

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That is actually a mind-bogglingly terrible follower to subscriber ratio.

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It's probably one of the worst. The amount of money that we've got.

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That's actually terrible. There's about 13.

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Okay, we've got to stop incurring. This is going to happen the whole show.

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No, it isn't. No, it isn't. No, it isn't.

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Okay. Stopping immediately. Okay.

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I'll let you guys do it. All right. Let's go ahead and start the show.

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Shall we? Oh, I changed colors. It's purple now.

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Wow. You should donate more money to LTDstore.com instead of this.

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It probably means you're getting close. Please. It means you're probably getting close to your previous record.

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They're all just Prime subs. Yeah. You're about to beat your previous record hype train, which is why it's like a loading

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bar now. Why did we ever have a hype train before?

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Because it just happens naturally.

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If it's a Prime sub, I mean, why not?

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If it's not a Prime sub, why?

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I wonder if this is the most subs we've ever had.

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No, I think that we used to pay attention to Twitch.

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Yeah. It used to be like our main, it was our main platform for years.

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Yeah, they were our YouTube MCN.

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Yeah. That was why, dude.

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What? Twitch was our YouTube MCN.

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I didn't even know that was like a thing back in the day. It basically wasn't.

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Pretty much wasn't. Oh, wow. Okay.

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Cool. Yeah. It was wild.

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We had, as far as I'm aware, the very first Twitch multi-stream agreement.

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Like multi-platform streaming carve out. When was that?

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Like 2013? Thousand years ago. Yeah.

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Okay. Probably then. Not 13, but not a long time after that.

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Okay. Yeah.

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Yeah. Super weird. I think we were the first with explicit permission to stream non-gaming content to the platform, too.

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I remember that. I remember you guys talking about that. Yeah.

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That's pretty cool. Co-figure. Who would have known you guys were the one that started the downfall of what Twitch is?

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Yeah, I know, right? We were one step away from like hot tubs and titties.

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To be fair, that is basically off the platform. Did you know my personal channel?

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I got a special carve out during that, too.

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Really? Yeah. Because of this show, I didn't actually really register how much not just playing games on

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Twitch was a problem. So I would just do other stuff all the time.

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It's like I worked on a car once. I would 3D, the worst, I got emailed about this and they're like, you're good.

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But I just want to let you know that this isn't supposed to be good.

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It was a message from that guy that I knew at the time.

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Yeah, the one with the giant dong. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, yeah. Because I would do 3D printing streams where I just have like a camera in the corner looking

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at the print for 24 hours.

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No host, no one there. Yeah, a lot of those aren't allowed.

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So what became, I guess, like sleeping streams, question mark?

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Yeah, but sleeping streams are allowed because there's a person on content.

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It's weird. I don't think you can do just idle 3D printing streams anymore.

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Yeah, I did that for a long time. That's crazy.

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Yeah.

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One sec, I'm just logging into the thing.

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You guys ready to resume the selected?

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I guess. Did you update the title, Dan?

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Cool. If you're watching right now and have not refreshed your page and thus do not have

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the updated title. If your chat is broken on Flow Plane, sorry.

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There's not a realistic way it's going to be fixed for this week.

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So, so far we are monitoring Twitch chat until they lose their privileges.

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Yeah. Which is very, very, very likely to happen.

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God, what's our fallback going to be?

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What do you mean from Twitch? YouTube. Oh, how quickly are they going to lose their chat privileges?

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Facebook. Facebook? Okay, Facebook.

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That'll be our fallback.

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Bring back mixer. We could go back to Periscope.

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We could stream a fake AI stream to Facebook and they'd probably be like,

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yay. Why didn't they use ours?

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Yeah. Someone said we needed to be more slow.

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Well, you could be lengthened influencers after you find.

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Talk about it already. Okay. All right, we're doing this thing?

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Yep. Okay, I'm resuming the selected now.

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Okay.

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What is up, L's and G's?

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Welcome to the WAN Show. We've got, oh my God.

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Such a good show. Yeah, it's actually true. Actually such a good show.

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God! I have so much stuff that I'm excited to talk to you guys about.

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Yes. The two big ones are, of course.

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Valve opened the spigot, which is a type of Valve.

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Yeah. And unleashed upon the world with a truly earth-shattering

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bit of news for poor Mr. Luke Lafrenier,

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who just bought a VR headset that is not the Steam Frame.

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We'll talk about that. Also, the Steam Machine, the Steam Controller,

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which we need to talk about the name of.

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Okay, we need to talk about the name of the Steam Controller.

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In other news, Linus was here.

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Holy actual shit. And, and Luke got fucked over on that too.

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So hard. Literally. Actually.

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On Luke Lafrenier's birthday. Yeah.

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Linus came to our studio and Luke couldn't be here for it.

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And there was a way for it to have been avoided.

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I don't know anything about that. And it was not.

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It was not your fault. I don't know anything about that. I wasn't looking at you.

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I don't know anything about that. I'm just saying. I don't know about it.

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We'll talk about it. We'll talk about it.

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Microsoft. Wait, wait, wait. Hold on.

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It's the shopping season. And so I'm just going to, I'm going to jump out ahead of

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things a little bit. All right. We'll get you more topics.

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But first, lttstore.com, major focus for us this week.

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We've got our Buy More, Save More combo going right now.

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If you buy it, the more apparel you buy, the more discount you get up to 25% off.

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We have a holiday loot drop going on right now,

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where if you spend $100 or more, you can win a pair of Sennheiser HD.

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Does that, that says 550. I thought it was 560S, whatever.

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A pair of Sennheiser headphones, or if you're really lucky,

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an ASUS ROG Xbox Ally X. And, hey, we've got new products.

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I really like this one. Including the RGB sweater.

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Oh my God. We're going to need a closer look at this. There you go.

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You can see the little flex of RGB. It's 100% cotton knit with tiny, multi-nep yarn flex.

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Clean, polished look. Great for the office. While the colorful specs keep it fun for holiday hangouts.

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And we have, yes, that's right. We finally have beanies again.

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RGB beanies in black and gray in both regular and Linus lengths.

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There you go. See? So if you have a deeper head or if you have a shallower head,

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we got you. Warm, cozy, and ties right in with the rest of the RGB lineup.

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LMG.GG slash RGB. Okay, Luke, you got a couple topics.

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I do. First off, Taryn wore that RGB sweater to an event

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that we both went to. And I thought it looked really sharp

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and didn't actually realize it was ours until, like,

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a day or two ago. Anyways, Microsoft exec says Windows is evolving

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into an agentic operating system.

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You picked that? And gets cooked in the replay.

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No, the reason why I want to talk about this is because

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Windows is getting disunct right now.

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That's what all of the intro topics are about.

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It's Valve doing Linux stuff and Linux guy.

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You can't call him Linux guy. That is why he didn't want to meet you.

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Oh, wow.

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Speaking of not wanting to meet or something.

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I don't know. Another company that can't stop digging is Ubisoft.

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If I can find the topic about it. They have delayed their half-year earnings report

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and requested halted trading until its release,

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which is generally a bad sign.

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Oh, man. The Linux guy.

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You can't hang in there.

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How dare you?

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The show is brought to you today by Vessi.

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Oh, dude. Corsair and Odd Pieces.

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Alongside, of course, our RAP partner, D-Brand, our laptop partner,

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Della and our chair partner. Don't you dare. Secret.

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It's upside down, right? Nice.

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What do we want to do for? I mean, it's got to be Valve.

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It's got to be Valve. Dude, this guy was like dying

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because I saw him the day after the Valve event

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because we were both attending a thing that was farther down the West Coast.

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But for the first 10 hours,

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we were in mixed company. And I knew where he was.

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And I knew the potential level of importance of that.

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But we didn't even have a private moment

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for me to tell him what was launched. Basically, all I was able to tell him was

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things we expected, also something we didn't expect.

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Yeah, which got me most of the way there, but not the whole way there.

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Yeah. So when we were finally able to sit down at dinner

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and I was able to talk him through it, he's like,

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dude, this was the hardware launch of...

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I feel like this was our Apple Vision Pro.

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No, Apple Vision Pro was like the normie people's like,

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whoa, interesting. This is our, whoa, interesting.

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Yeah, in the VR space. But I would actually go back even farther than that.

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This for your IT, computer, gamer,

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someone who watches the WAN Show, that demographic right there.

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Sure. This is the most exciting launch since what?

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Maybe 30 series? RTX 30 series?

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And when I say 30 series, I'm not talking the bullshit like pricing that happened

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afterward with the COVID, silicon, all that stuff.

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I'm talking like when it launched. You probably remember where you were when you found out

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that the RTX 3080 was like 500 bucks or 600 bucks or whatever.

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And it was like the performance was huge over the

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uninspiring 20 series. Too bad, not real.

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Yeah. But we're talking, we're talking the initial news, right?

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Yeah. The initial news. Like can you, what else?

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What else would qualify here? Steam Deck was hype.

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That was four years ago now. Like it's been a desert dude.

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To me, this is more interesting than the initial

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Steam Deck announcement. And that might even sound a little bit surprising.

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But my reason for that is that this actually came with

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Steam Deck news kind of as a sidebar thing.

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And this to me, you know, we got the indication that this

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might have been a plan back when they first talked about

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Steam Machines forever ago. But this really shows that they're embracing like Valve

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hardware as an ecosystem, which is really cool.

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Very exciting. It's also super exciting that Steam Machine is coming

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Linux based with Steam OS.

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And it's just like the normalization of people using

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Linux all the time for things was already pretty big with

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the Steam Deck. But now it also being a Steam Machine for people that just

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want a console like experience because a bunch of people aren't going to care about handhelds.

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And that's cool. And a bunch of handheld people won't care about a console

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experience. And that's cool too. And that's also cool.

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So now that we have both, it's just awesome. It's very exciting. Why don't we run through the news for anyone that the

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handful of you that might have missed those somewhat

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large events this week. On a random Wednesday, Valve announced the Steam

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Machine, the Steam Frame and the Steam Controller.

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Let's start with the frame. This is their new standalone VR headset that's powered by

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a 4nm Snapdragon ARM CPU. It has 16 gigs of unified memory, Wi-Fi 7 2x2.

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And this is dual Wi-Fi 5 gigahertz and 6 gigahertz for

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streaming the VR video feed and for normal Wi-Fi.

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So you can like download games and stuff. Now hold on a second.

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I don't actually know that it is dual 6 gigahertz. That is in my notes.

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I don't remember them telling me that, but the way that

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they held the briefing made it not just possible, but

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likely for some media outlets to get information that

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either through just forgetfulness or not asking all the

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right probing questions others might not have.

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So yeah.

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Anyway, that may be true. It's in my notes. I don't remember them telling me that.

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Up to a terabyte of storage on board.

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The displays are 2160 by 2160 LCDs and range from 72 to 120

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hertz refresh rate with an experimental mode of 144 hertz

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just like the index. But in spite of it having onboard compute, you know, like a

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like a quest for instance from meta, it's so light.

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It's so wearable. It's so well balanced with the battery with the battery pack

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at the back. It's nice and tight to the face.

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Thanks to its pancake lenses. That's actually valves justification for using LCDs so

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that they can juice the brightness of the displays enough

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to overcome the losses from the pancake lenses.

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I'm I've only used it for a few minutes at this point because

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I was really busy like writing videos and shooting them and stuff while I was in there.

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So I'm going to really need to compare them side by side.

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But if I had to guess because yeah.

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So dual radios enable concurrent five gigahertz Wi-Fi and

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six gigahertz VR streaming. That's what I understood. Not what I said from my notes.

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Thank you for looking that up. No problem.

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What was I talking about just now? Something right LCDs.

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So I need to try it. I need to try this side by side with the big screen beyond

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two because that's got OLEDs, but it also has a tether.

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So a big part of what Valve is trying to do here is maintain

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power efficiency for this bloody thing, right?

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So I've seen a lot of people push back on Valve's justification

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for using LCD saying, well, other VR headsets use pancake

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lenses and OLED displays. And it's like, right, but how much power budget are they using

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to juice these OLED displays? It's also a cost factor to overcome it.

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There's a cost factor too. And that was a major concern that I had for the frame because

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as soon as I hear it's got a computer on it, I go, great, a

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computer I don't care about that now I have to buy.

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But man, is this thing ever cool? I might actually care about the computer.

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And that is because of the effects compatibility layer that

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Valve has been contributing to in order to speed up the

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development. And that effects allows you to run x86 games on the local

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ARM CPU, which is also running SteamOS.

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These guys have been absolutely cooking over there.

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Of course, the most mind blowing part to me was when I heard

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about foveated streaming.

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So a big concern for me as soon as I heard that project

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Deckard was going to be a standalone VR headset.

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I was like, fuck, because Valve was the only one that was left

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that was doing outside in proper freaking tracking that is

00:32:44.520 --> 00:32:50.520
accurate and just fuck, right?

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With a tether and high visual fidelity, everything else.

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Apple Vision Pro was going to using wireless streaming and the

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Quest. You can use a wire. It's flaky.

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You can stream wirelessly. But it's imperfect at best.

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And so as soon as I found out it was standalone, I was like,

00:33:08.520 --> 00:33:15.520
great. There goes the ecosystem for us people who care about accuracy

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and well, yeah, accuracy low latency.

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I originally fully agreed with you and had the exact same

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reaction when I heard about Deckard. But these days with big screen, I'm less concerned because I

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feel like they can be the champions of that. Well, we'll get to that.

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Maybe not. But when Valve did the demo showing me their wireless streaming

00:33:39.520 --> 00:33:45.520
with foveated streaming. So if you didn't watch the video, what it basically means is

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that they are dynamically adjusting their use of the bit

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rate that you have. Because your connection, your link speed is only whatever it

00:33:56.520 --> 00:34:03.520
is, right? And so by focusing their use of their limited bit rate that

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they have, because it's not a wired HDMI or DisplayPort

00:34:06.520 --> 00:34:11.520
connection on the areas that your eyes are actually looking

00:34:11.520 --> 00:34:14.520
at, actually focused on, they achieve a level of fidelity

00:34:14.520 --> 00:34:18.520
that admittedly I wasn't looking at it side by side, but

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that I could not discern from a wired connection.

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And I couldn't see the, like I couldn't move my eyes fast

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enough. We used a shot in the video of me looking around like this,

00:34:34.520 --> 00:34:39.520
which is not how you would try to beat it, like you would try

00:34:39.520 --> 00:34:44.520
to flick your eyes. The time it takes for my eyes to move to a new spot and

00:34:44.520 --> 00:34:48.520
refocus is slower than the time it takes for them to track my

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pupils and reallocate their streaming bit rate budget and

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have that be the highest fidelity part of the scene.

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I couldn't see it, Luke. Crazy.

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We'll see. The proof's going to be in the longer term use.

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I was only able to play Half-Life Alyx, which admittedly I

00:35:04.520 --> 00:35:08.520
didn't enjoy that much. I didn't really get through it. I didn't mention that to them.

00:35:08.520 --> 00:35:12.520
The other big one that I was concerned about as someone who

00:35:12.520 --> 00:35:18.520
has enjoyed full body tracking in the past was Beat Saber.

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So I've streamed Beat Saber with ankle and waist trackers in

00:35:22.520 --> 00:35:28.520
addition to my hand and head trackers. And I was really concerned about both the ability to move

00:35:28.520 --> 00:35:31.520
my hands fast enough without losing tracking, using

00:35:31.520 --> 00:35:37.520
camera-based tracking. So far, it looks like they have invested heavily enough in

00:35:37.520 --> 00:35:41.520
the onboard processing on the controllers, as well as in

00:35:41.520 --> 00:35:44.520
quality, quality inside out tracking cameras.

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And the positioning is such that you can get pretty far back

00:35:47.520 --> 00:35:50.520
before you actually lose tracking that it looks like that won't be an issue.

00:35:50.520 --> 00:35:53.520
As for whether you can use base stations with your older

00:35:53.520 --> 00:35:57.520
tracker devices, I've seen quite a few people ask about that.

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I don't know yet, but that is going to be one of the first things that I'm going to try once I have a frame in hand.

00:36:04.520 --> 00:36:08.520
So like, this thing is wild. It's so, it's the versatility.

00:36:08.520 --> 00:36:13.520
The fact that I can get as far as I can tell, I wouldn't say

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zero compromises because it isn't an OLED.

00:36:16.520 --> 00:36:23.520
But a low compromise PC VR experience now with no tether.

00:36:23.520 --> 00:36:30.520
Wow. The fact that I can run games locally on this thing, right?

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Lighter games, obviously. VR titles and play those is wow.

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And then the fact that I can play everything from like,

00:36:39.520 --> 00:36:45.520
literal like PC games to media on just a giant screen like I

00:36:45.520 --> 00:36:50.520
might do with something like an Apple vision pro is triple.

00:36:50.520 --> 00:36:53.520
Wow. Like it's, it's, it's awesome.

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And literally every criticism that I've seen of it so far, I

00:36:57.520 --> 00:37:01.520
either fully understand why Valve made the choice that they

00:37:01.520 --> 00:37:06.520
did and I can, and I can, I can, I can agree with their

00:37:06.520 --> 00:37:09.520
justification, even if I might have done it differently.

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Or I think the criticism is just frankly stupid.

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Um, like man, I don't understand how in the year,

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and I'm about to offend some people, I think, but I don't

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understand how in the year 2025, you can somehow not be aware

00:37:25.520 --> 00:37:28.520
of nickel metal hydride AA cells.

00:37:28.520 --> 00:37:33.520
Oh, I can definitely imagine how.

00:37:33.520 --> 00:37:40.520
How? How would most people outside of this, this group that's

00:37:40.520 --> 00:37:43.520
watching this or other similar content have ran into that?

00:37:43.520 --> 00:37:48.520
Because disposable batteries are so f***ing expensive.

00:37:48.520 --> 00:37:54.520
You'd think they'd look for an alternative. I don't think a lot of people run into disposable batteries in

00:37:54.520 --> 00:37:58.520
their day to day. Dude, you've been to a Costco lately?

00:37:58.520 --> 00:38:03.520
You see how big the pallets of disposable batteries are? People are buying the crap out of these things and all they had

00:38:03.520 --> 00:38:07.520
to do is go buy like eight N loops and a charger and then never

00:38:07.520 --> 00:38:13.520
buy one again. Grabbing the ones at Costco or grabbing the pack from like Ikea

00:38:13.520 --> 00:38:16.520
and just not thinking about it ever because they throw it in

00:38:16.520 --> 00:38:19.520
their TV remote and then it lasts for like two years or longer.

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But double A is going all kinds of things.

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Kids toys, Xbox controllers, adult toys.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Maybe people just aren't being super economical about their adult toys.

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Use them less. Dude, it's wild to me.

00:38:42.520 --> 00:38:46.520
Like you can, yeah. Okay. So one person here says, yeah, the disposables last longer in

00:38:46.520 --> 00:38:49.520
the device. Like my God, who cares?

00:38:49.520 --> 00:38:55.520
Yes, it's a little bit longer. But literally if you factor in the time to walk down the aisle

00:38:55.520 --> 00:38:58.520
and go get the stupid batteries you've already accounted for,

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the extra time that you'll use changing the batteries slightly

00:39:01.520 --> 00:39:05.520
more often, like it really is not that big of a deal, especially

00:39:05.520 --> 00:39:08.520
in low usage devices.

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But they're so expensive. Buy one.

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Dude, I have enolubes in my house that I've had for 10 years.

00:39:14.520 --> 00:39:19.520
Oh yeah. That have been through probably 50 recharge cycles.

00:39:19.520 --> 00:39:25.520
They still work. Like can people just not throw literally throw away money?

00:39:25.520 --> 00:39:28.520
Like this is for your own good.

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Go buy some nickel metal hydride batteries.

00:39:32.520 --> 00:39:36.520
What? Why is this funny?

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It's just that whole sentence. Go buy some nickel batteries.

00:39:40.520 --> 00:39:43.520
It's just such a funny sentence. We don't even offer them.

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Not for months. Just buy it from someone. This is really funny.

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I'm sorry. Fluff.

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I don't disagree with you. Twitch is going to lose their chat privileges pretty quickly.

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DRSL will never sponsor us again. I don't even disagree with you.

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Linus, do you know what's expensive rechargeable batteries? Yeah, one time.

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One time. Buy ones, cry ones.

00:40:03.520 --> 00:40:07.520
Yes. You can recharge it like 50 times.

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100 times. Do they cost 50 times as much?

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I'll let you do that. Actually, no, I'm not going to let you do the math because you're a f***ing idiot.

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No, they don't cost 50 times as much.

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Go buy rechargeable batteries. You can thank me later.

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We're losing all our time.

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That's so mad.

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First time. Dying here.

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I mean, I generally pretty much agree with all of that. The only thing I don't agree with is like how do people not realize it?

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It's like, I mean, it's pretty obvious.

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Consumers, man. At the stores they're shopping at, in a lot of cases, they're just not there.

00:40:49.520 --> 00:40:52.520
Linus just forgets that he's the smartest person in the room at all times.

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He's just so overwhelmingly intelligent. That's the problem.

00:40:55.520 --> 00:40:58.520
I'm not that smart.

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I hate being the smartest person in a room. There's a really hard time buying helmets.

00:41:02.520 --> 00:41:07.520
Have you tried huffing paint more often? Sounds like a good hobby for someone like you.

00:41:07.520 --> 00:41:12.520
Good Friday night. I know what I'm doing after the show to deal with Twitch chat.

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I'm dying. Now, to be clear, to be clear, to be clear, there are situations where an alkaline makes more sense.

00:41:20.520 --> 00:41:23.520
So, like, I keep alkalines in my house as well.

00:41:23.520 --> 00:41:25.520
So, for instance...

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For instance...

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Oh, my God, this is going all over Reddit. Low-end kids toys.

00:41:34.520 --> 00:41:38.520
I will tip... Can I talk?

00:41:38.520 --> 00:41:43.520
I feel like you. Can I just talk without being interrupted?

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I'm not even saying anything!

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Your judgment speaks very loudly.

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I can't believe you would give a horrible experience to your children.

00:41:54.520 --> 00:42:01.520
Ruin the next generation. So, for low-end kids toys, where I think it's very likely that we're going to end up donating it

00:42:01.520 --> 00:42:04.520
before we even run through an entire battery cycle,

00:42:04.520 --> 00:42:07.520
I don't want to risk losing my expensive rechargeable batteries.

00:42:07.520 --> 00:42:11.520
So, there are situations where I'll throw an alkaline into something,

00:42:11.520 --> 00:42:15.520
because I'm just like, yeah, this is very likely to be lost.

00:42:15.520 --> 00:42:20.520
Because, like, for certain toys, it literally will double the value of that thing

00:42:20.520 --> 00:42:25.520
and put a couple rechargeable batteries in it. Like, I'd not forget to throw alkalines in there.

00:42:25.520 --> 00:42:29.520
And there are devices, particularly super high-draw ones,

00:42:29.520 --> 00:42:32.520
that actually don't run properly on rechargeables.

00:42:32.520 --> 00:42:39.520
There are devices that don't respond well to the lower voltage range of rechargeable batteries.

00:42:39.520 --> 00:42:41.520
Sorry, not you.

00:42:43.520 --> 00:42:48.520
You're going to lose your chat privileges. You're going to lose your chat privileges.

00:42:48.520 --> 00:42:51.520
You're going to lose your chat privileges, all of you.

00:42:51.520 --> 00:42:56.520
I have to moderate. I have to read them.

00:42:56.520 --> 00:43:00.520
Now, you're stuck with them, too. This is what it's like every Friday.

00:43:00.520 --> 00:43:04.520
So, the cards are really funny. There's also a lot of names from Flo-Plain that are hanging out.

00:43:04.520 --> 00:43:09.520
Yeah. Sorry about the chat. I reduced slow mode as well, just to make it worse on everyone.

00:43:09.520 --> 00:43:12.520
Okay, look. The point is...

00:43:12.520 --> 00:43:15.520
Oh, Flo-Plain China is back. That one of the biggest criticisms...

00:43:15.520 --> 00:43:18.520
By Twitch. I'm coming back on topic here.

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One of the... Twitch is back. Oh, cool.

00:43:21.520 --> 00:43:25.520
You know what? Twitch chat hasn't lost their privileges yet.

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They can keep it from now.

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The problem is... Sorry, the biggest complaint that I've seen about the frame

00:43:32.520 --> 00:43:35.520
is the AA battery in the controllers.

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And that was pretty wild to me, especially as someone who has Knuckles controllers and an index

00:43:41.520 --> 00:43:45.520
and has experienced forgetting to charge the integrated lithium battery

00:43:45.520 --> 00:43:49.520
and then had to charge for 10 minutes, play for 15 minutes,

00:43:49.520 --> 00:43:56.520
charge for 10 minutes, play for 15 minutes. That is not a better experience than just having a little quad-cell charger

00:43:56.520 --> 00:44:01.520
somewhere near your VR headset, and then just popping your dead battery into it,

00:44:01.520 --> 00:44:06.520
grabbing a freshly charged one, popping it into the controller, and then being ready to go for another full charge cycle.

00:44:06.520 --> 00:44:13.520
It is actually objectively faster to get back up and running,

00:44:13.520 --> 00:44:18.520
and the weight of a AA cell, yeah, I can see people not being that into it,

00:44:18.520 --> 00:44:21.520
because they have to have a big metal housing around them

00:44:21.520 --> 00:44:27.520
compared to just a pack-style lithium battery...

00:44:27.520 --> 00:44:30.520
Excuse me, pouch-style was the word I was looking for.

00:44:30.520 --> 00:44:35.520
Yeah, I don't love having the extra weight, but for the convenience of being able to quickly swap a battery,

00:44:35.520 --> 00:44:38.520
I think it is well worth it, and it is...

00:44:38.520 --> 00:44:41.520
I mean, let's face it, this thing is not going to be cheap.

00:44:41.520 --> 00:44:44.520
Is there a price out there? No.

00:44:44.520 --> 00:44:48.520
Is there a price out there on any of this? No. But Valve did...

00:44:48.520 --> 00:44:55.520
Make some nudges, some indications? Yeah, they did indicate sort of what they were targeting,

00:44:55.520 --> 00:45:00.520
and I think the goal was for it to be not more expensive than index.

00:45:00.520 --> 00:45:06.520
So the headset itself is loaded up to the gills with expensive tech,

00:45:06.520 --> 00:45:10.520
but you don't need base stations, so that helps, I guess,

00:45:10.520 --> 00:45:13.520
and then we'll see where the chips fall in terms of pricing,

00:45:13.520 --> 00:45:16.520
but I wouldn't be surprised to see $9.99.

00:45:16.520 --> 00:45:20.520
I wouldn't be surprised to see the same price as an index.

00:45:20.520 --> 00:45:23.520
Or rather... Shoot, what's the index?

00:45:23.520 --> 00:45:27.520
What's the index go for in the States? Index price in USD.

00:45:27.520 --> 00:45:30.520
Oh, shoot. Yeah, you have to say valve index,

00:45:30.520 --> 00:45:33.520
otherwise you just end up with all kinds of other things. $9.99.

00:45:33.520 --> 00:45:36.520
$9.99, okay. For the kit. I did get that right.

00:45:36.520 --> 00:45:39.520
Okay. But I mean, essentially... Just the headset is $6.59?

00:45:39.520 --> 00:45:42.520
But you're not going to be able to buy this without the kit, so...

00:45:42.520 --> 00:45:48.520
The headset and controllers is... Oh, wait, what?

00:45:48.520 --> 00:45:52.520
Oh! What's up? If you want the whole thing,

00:45:52.520 --> 00:45:56.520
so headset controllers, base stations, all that,

00:45:56.520 --> 00:45:59.520
it's $13.19. Oh, Canadian.

00:45:59.520 --> 00:46:02.520
Yeah, Canadian. So that's a grand. Yeah.

00:46:02.520 --> 00:46:05.520
Okay. All right.

00:46:05.520 --> 00:46:09.520
What are we even... Oh, yeah. Wow, we're still talking about the valve announcements.

00:46:09.520 --> 00:46:14.520
Sure are. Yeah, Elijah's never going home. He's actually here to talk about the other big news from this week.

00:46:14.520 --> 00:46:19.520
Sure is. Linus X, Linus.

00:46:19.520 --> 00:46:22.520
But I mean, we can't move on from the frame without talking about

00:46:22.520 --> 00:46:25.520
how much buyer's remorse you must be feeling right now.

00:46:25.520 --> 00:46:28.520
I don't know. So he just... I don't know.

00:46:28.520 --> 00:46:31.520
Like two months ago, bought a big screen beyond two.

00:46:31.520 --> 00:46:34.520
Well, I bought it before then. I just received it somewhere around there.

00:46:34.520 --> 00:46:39.520
Have you fired it up yet? No, I still don't have a functional dwelling.

00:46:39.520 --> 00:46:43.520
So by the time you actually get to use your big screen beyond two...

00:46:43.520 --> 00:46:46.520
It might be halfway through 2026.

00:46:46.520 --> 00:46:49.520
We'll see. The frame... What?

00:46:49.520 --> 00:46:54.520
I'm kidding. Oh, okay. The frame could literally be like imminently available.

00:46:54.520 --> 00:46:57.520
Oh, yeah. How do you feel about that, sir?

00:46:57.520 --> 00:47:00.520
I don't know. That is such a...

00:47:00.520 --> 00:47:03.520
This is a podcast. The big screen beyond is still really cool.

00:47:03.520 --> 00:47:06.520
You can't just say, I don't know. The big screen beyond is still really cool.

00:47:06.520 --> 00:47:09.520
I don't know how much regret I'm going to feel.

00:47:09.520 --> 00:47:14.520
I feel like I actually might end up with both of them, which might sound insane.

00:47:14.520 --> 00:47:18.520
Oh, I was about to make a joke about how the regret could be kind of

00:47:18.520 --> 00:47:20.520
tugging on you a little bit.

00:47:21.520 --> 00:47:24.520
Because honestly, I think that's the biggest downside.

00:47:24.520 --> 00:47:28.520
There are still advantages to the beyond two.

00:47:28.520 --> 00:47:32.520
OLED displays. Yes. It is smaller and lighter.

00:47:32.520 --> 00:47:35.520
Better light seal because it's bespoke.

00:47:35.520 --> 00:47:38.520
The light seal is incredible. Literally perfect.

00:47:38.520 --> 00:47:43.520
Yeah. Literally perfect. Very comfortable as well.

00:47:43.520 --> 00:47:46.520
Yeah, I don't know if it's as good as the frame.

00:47:46.520 --> 00:47:49.520
Yeah, tough. It depends on how long you're wearing it.

00:47:49.520 --> 00:47:52.520
Have you actually worn it for doing anything physical?

00:47:52.520 --> 00:47:57.520
No. So the beyond because it has a rubbery type of material, like a silicone...

00:47:57.520 --> 00:48:01.520
It's still literally here. It's in a box on my desk.

00:48:01.520 --> 00:48:06.520
I'm so sorry. Because it uses that material, you end up with what I call swamp eye a little bit.

00:48:06.520 --> 00:48:09.520
Because it's not breathable. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:48:09.520 --> 00:48:14.520
Whereas the deck uses a more breathable style material and it has gaps.

00:48:14.520 --> 00:48:19.520
You can kind of look down and see where you're going with the deck.

00:48:19.520 --> 00:48:22.520
Not that you should. You should just use the pass-through cameras, obviously.

00:48:22.520 --> 00:48:26.520
Yeah. But you can't. With a hot take, black and white, totally fine.

00:48:26.520 --> 00:48:34.520
Oh, I don't even care. Who cares? Dude, oh man, I had someone come at me in the comments because I criticized it for not being

00:48:34.520 --> 00:48:39.520
able to walk around with the camera pass-through. I was like, bro, I'm joking.

00:48:39.520 --> 00:48:44.520
Yeah. I was taking a shot at Apple Vision Pro people who were walking around with their stupid

00:48:44.520 --> 00:48:47.520
headsets on for the first couple of weeks. Oh, your comment like...

00:48:47.520 --> 00:48:50.520
Yeah. I was like, oh yeah, I don't know. I don't even know if it was a couple of weeks.

00:48:50.520 --> 00:48:54.520
Yeah, a week. It was the first few days when that stopped pretty quick.

00:48:54.520 --> 00:48:58.520
Yeah. Yeah, I don't really care about the black and white cameras.

00:48:58.520 --> 00:49:06.520
This, to me, feels like I have a seated or near computer experience, which is like really

00:49:07.520 --> 00:49:16.520
dialed, but might take some setup time, move things out of the way, do stuff like that,

00:49:16.520 --> 00:49:20.520
and then really settle into this nice dialed, tethered experience.

00:49:20.520 --> 00:49:25.520
Then the frame, the frame's interesting for a bunch of reasons to me.

00:49:25.520 --> 00:49:28.520
I almost want a travel box for it.

00:49:28.520 --> 00:49:31.520
I would use the crap out of the frame on the road.

00:49:31.520 --> 00:49:34.520
Yeah. Being able to play some Beat Saber.

00:49:34.520 --> 00:49:37.520
Oh yeah. Anywhere. Because I actually...

00:49:37.520 --> 00:49:42.520
On the plane. I'm looking forward to trying this so much.

00:49:42.520 --> 00:49:45.520
I have a Strix Halo laptop. Yeah.

00:49:45.520 --> 00:49:50.520
Oh yeah. Is this enough for me to load up all my mods?

00:49:50.520 --> 00:49:53.520
Probably. Play VR games? Probably.

00:49:53.520 --> 00:49:59.520
I mean, it's got a USB port, so theoretically I've got my six gigahertz wireless.

00:50:00.520 --> 00:50:03.520
Dude, the frame packs... I didn't actually talk about that in the...

00:50:03.520 --> 00:50:08.520
I should start adding some stuff from my notes for the stuff to talk about for the full review,

00:50:08.520 --> 00:50:13.520
but I didn't actually really talk about how tightly it packs up.

00:50:15.520 --> 00:50:21.520
Yeah. That's something I was genuinely wondering about, because the ability to be portable with

00:50:21.520 --> 00:50:24.520
this thing is actually very interesting to me.

00:50:24.520 --> 00:50:27.520
I'm excited about this in regards to...

00:50:27.520 --> 00:50:31.520
I don't know, people are going to be like, oh, you've been able to do this the whole time

00:50:31.520 --> 00:50:34.520
with the Quest 3. I didn't love the Quest 3 experience.

00:50:34.520 --> 00:50:37.520
Don't love who the Quest 3 comes from. I think that's the...

00:50:37.520 --> 00:50:41.520
The second one is the bigger one for me, because apparently the software's gotten a lot better

00:50:41.520 --> 00:50:44.520
since we reviewed it. Sure it has. They've like...

00:50:44.520 --> 00:50:51.520
Apparently. I'm just going based on comments on the frame video, but apparently it's improved a shocking

00:50:51.520 --> 00:50:54.520
amount for software updates.

00:50:54.520 --> 00:50:58.520
It might be worth me checking it out again as part of this.

00:50:58.520 --> 00:51:00.520
Actually, I'm going to add that.

00:51:03.520 --> 00:51:06.520
Cool. Now that's on there.

00:51:06.520 --> 00:51:09.520
Cool. Yeah. I don't know.

00:51:09.520 --> 00:51:12.520
I think my... I feel like this is it.

00:51:12.520 --> 00:51:16.520
I don't feel like there's another experience that is going to be this good.

00:51:16.520 --> 00:51:23.520
I might not feel as strong as it did in the past, but I think they're going to be different.

00:51:23.520 --> 00:51:30.520
I think they're going to be quite different. I don't necessarily think I'm actually going to have the much regret right now, having never

00:51:30.520 --> 00:51:34.520
actually tried the one that I bought and clearly never tried the one that's coming.

00:51:34.520 --> 00:51:36.520
But that's my hunch right now.

00:51:38.520 --> 00:51:41.520
Yeah. You want to talk Steam Machine? Are you done with Frame?

00:51:41.520 --> 00:51:44.520
I think we can talk Steam Machine. Yeah.

00:51:45.520 --> 00:51:49.520
I'm the wireless streaming dude.

00:51:49.520 --> 00:51:54.520
It blew me away. I get to have PC VR wirelessly.

00:51:54.520 --> 00:51:57.520
Wow. Oh no, there was the last thing.

00:51:57.520 --> 00:52:00.520
What's going to happen to the ecosystem?

00:52:00.520 --> 00:52:05.520
Could big screen carry on manufacturing base stations, for instance?

00:52:05.520 --> 00:52:10.520
At this time, Valve does not appear to have any partnerships in place for anyone to continue

00:52:10.520 --> 00:52:13.520
to produce base stations or knuckles controllers.

00:52:13.520 --> 00:52:22.520
I did say they were open to it. With that said, I have direct contact information for multiple people at Valve.

00:52:22.520 --> 00:52:27.520
They are not always the easiest to work with.

00:52:27.520 --> 00:52:32.520
So just because they're open to it does not necessarily mean that anything will happen.

00:52:32.520 --> 00:52:38.520
I'm not going to have my hopes up until I see concrete action on it.

00:52:38.520 --> 00:52:41.520
It's not a shot. It's not a shot at them.

00:52:41.520 --> 00:52:46.520
That you got to understand, Valve is a very small company.

00:52:46.520 --> 00:52:49.520
I mean, head count-wise is actually somewhat true.

00:52:49.520 --> 00:52:56.520
Yes. Which I only mentioned because that excuse was made for some stuff.

00:52:56.520 --> 00:52:59.520
I was like, okay. Sure.

00:52:59.520 --> 00:53:08.520
Sure. To be clear, I'm very grateful that they were able to bring us out to check out the new hardware.

00:53:08.520 --> 00:53:16.520
I'm very excited about the new hardware and I am extremely excited to learn more as I

00:53:16.520 --> 00:53:24.520
get to explore it. I'm hoping that we're going to have access prior to the actual launch date so that when launch

00:53:24.520 --> 00:53:31.520
day comes, we can bring you guys really detailed, okay, but no, answering all the questions,

00:53:31.520 --> 00:53:34.520
like thick reviews of all of this stuff.

00:53:34.520 --> 00:53:38.520
Because it's basically game-changing across the board, which I guess brings us perfectly

00:53:38.520 --> 00:53:44.520
to the Steam Machine. It's a new mini PC that's boasting roughly six times the performance of the Steam Deck

00:53:44.520 --> 00:53:52.520
powered by an AMD 6-core Zen 4 CPU, a GPU that is a semi-custom design, but as far as

00:53:52.520 --> 00:54:00.520
I can tell, this pretty much comes down more to power profile tuning and firmware and drivers,

00:54:00.520 --> 00:54:09.520
right? The actual silicon appears to be more customized in the sense that AMD is going, okay, so you

00:54:09.520 --> 00:54:15.520
want to fuse off this and not that and tune your power profile.

00:54:15.520 --> 00:54:27.520
It's not brand new silicon. 16 gigs of Sodium DDR5 memory, 8 gigs of GDDR6 VRAM, and either 512 gig or 2 terabyte SSDs,

00:54:27.520 --> 00:54:33.520
but the SSD is upgradable to a 2280, so you could throw up to an 8 terabyte drive with

00:54:33.520 --> 00:54:36.520
current NAND densities.

00:54:36.520 --> 00:54:40.520
The big deal is, of course, that it runs SteamOS.

00:54:40.520 --> 00:54:45.520
Yeah. Linux out of the box and comes with the new Steam Controller.

00:54:45.520 --> 00:54:51.520
It uses TMR analog sticks, has an Xbox-style layout with a PlayStation analog stick layout

00:54:51.520 --> 00:54:56.520
to make room for the two haptic track pads on the bottom, similar to the Steam Deck.

00:54:56.520 --> 00:54:59.520
How did it feel to hold? It looks a little wild.

00:54:59.520 --> 00:55:05.520
In my smaller hands, I would say not the most ergonomic controller I've ever held.

00:55:05.520 --> 00:55:10.520
It did give me, obviously, not the same, but it did give me like Duke vibes a little bit.

00:55:10.520 --> 00:55:16.520
Not quite. Yeah, okay. It's, she's not so thick like the Duke.

00:55:16.520 --> 00:55:23.520
But like tall? She's, she's just, she's just, you know, she's girthy, but not thick, you know?

00:55:23.520 --> 00:55:27.520
Like she's, like she's, she's wide, you know?

00:55:27.520 --> 00:55:32.520
Oh, this way. You know, she's just, well, no, she's just, she's ample.

00:55:32.520 --> 00:55:35.520
Okay. I'd say she's ample.

00:55:35.520 --> 00:55:40.520
Was that not a characteristic of the Duke? Yeah, but, you know, well, the Duke was fat.

00:55:40.520 --> 00:55:43.520
Okay. The Steam Controller's ample.

00:55:43.520 --> 00:55:46.520
Okay. Yeah. Sure.

00:55:46.520 --> 00:55:49.520
Yeah. Sure. I don't mean like pH fat.

00:55:49.520 --> 00:55:52.520
The Duke was FAT. I think I'm just going to wait till I try it myself.

00:55:52.520 --> 00:55:56.520
When I was looking at it, I thought that's probably going to be fine for me to be honest.

00:55:56.520 --> 00:55:59.520
I'm actually pretty excited about it. Yeah.

00:55:59.520 --> 00:56:06.520
I thought the original Steam Controller was really cool. This one seems more versatile, which is neat, although to be completely honest, if you can

00:56:06.520 --> 00:56:12.520
afford it, I feel like the, the play is going to be to have a normal controller and then

00:56:12.520 --> 00:56:15.520
just maybe also your Steam Controller. Yeah.

00:56:15.520 --> 00:56:18.520
Because the touch pads on Steam Controller will be nice sometimes. Yeah.

00:56:18.520 --> 00:56:24.520
And super cool. Yeah. And they are going to just daily the crap out of the touch pads.

00:56:24.520 --> 00:56:28.520
Which is great. Yeah. Obviously there will be certain games that will play a lot better that way.

00:56:28.520 --> 00:56:32.520
Particularly for old dogs that don't want to learn new tricks, a more traditional controller

00:56:32.520 --> 00:56:38.520
and man, there's, there's so many great, super cool, innovative controllers out there.

00:56:38.520 --> 00:56:43.520
Yeah. Like after doing that controller tier list video with David where we did the whole like

00:56:43.520 --> 00:56:49.520
playoff, man, I don't, I don't think you can get away with having a top of the line controller

00:56:49.520 --> 00:56:52.520
anymore that doesn't have adjustable tension on the analog sticks.

00:56:52.520 --> 00:56:55.520
Like it's just, it was so game changing.

00:56:55.520 --> 00:57:01.520
Yeah. For me anyway, that I was just like, well, everything else is basic now.

00:57:01.520 --> 00:57:05.520
And that doesn't mean that I necessarily, you know, want to go and replace every controller

00:57:05.520 --> 00:57:10.520
in my house with those, in some cases, quite expensive aftermarket controllers.

00:57:10.520 --> 00:57:15.520
But little brother controllers are the big brother controller now.

00:57:15.520 --> 00:57:18.520
It's, it's not the way that it used to be where first party was king.

00:57:18.520 --> 00:57:24.520
What is cool about the steam controller though is each of their puck wireless dongles supports

00:57:24.520 --> 00:57:30.520
up to four of them and steam will support up to four pucks, meaning 16 controllers to

00:57:30.520 --> 00:57:35.520
one machine making for hassle free 10 player tape to tape, which is all that I really care

00:57:35.520 --> 00:57:44.520
about as far as that goes. There's a lot more to break down once we actually, you know, finish reviewing these devices.

00:57:44.520 --> 00:57:48.520
And there's actually more details in the two main channel LTT videos that we have up on

00:57:48.520 --> 00:57:55.520
these devices. You guys can go check those out. But in the meantime, I want to talk about pricing for the steam machine.

00:57:55.520 --> 00:58:03.520
Actually, no, what I want you guys to do chat is let me know what you would pay for it.

00:58:03.520 --> 00:58:08.520
So basically it's a, it's a 7600 CPU and a 7600 GPU.

00:58:08.520 --> 00:58:11.520
This is not a super powerful machine.

00:58:11.520 --> 00:58:19.520
Valve is upfront saying that they are going to be relying on FSR in order to achieve 4k.

00:58:19.520 --> 00:58:27.520
And even then, man, like eight gigs VRAM, anyone else would be taking a ton of flak for

00:58:27.520 --> 00:58:30.520
shipping a game console today with eight gigs of VRAM.

00:58:30.520 --> 00:58:34.520
Yeah. So we've got a lot of people talking pricing in here.

00:58:34.520 --> 00:58:42.520
I'm going to, I'm going to read these. 600, 600, 600, 600, 600, 350, 800, maybe 600, a thousand.

00:58:42.520 --> 00:58:47.520
You're crazy. Uh, 500 tops or DOA to 50 PS5.

00:58:47.520 --> 00:58:53.520
So like 500 to 600, uh, 599, 699, 500.

00:58:53.520 --> 00:58:56.520
Okay.

00:58:56.520 --> 00:58:59.520
A lot of 500 to 600. I don't think so.

00:58:59.520 --> 00:59:04.520
I can't tell you what the price will be because I literally don't know.

00:59:04.520 --> 00:59:13.520
But when I said, you know, I'm disappointed that it isn't going to follow a console pricing model

00:59:13.520 --> 00:59:16.520
where it's subsidized by the fact that, you know,

00:59:16.520 --> 00:59:22.520
the manufacturer is going to be taking 30% of every game sold on it over the lifespan of this thing.

00:59:22.520 --> 00:59:27.520
Um, because I feel that would be a more meaningful product.

00:59:27.520 --> 00:59:33.520
Um, and they kind of asked what I meant by, well, what do you mean by console price?

00:59:33.520 --> 00:59:36.520
And I said, well, $500.

00:59:36.520 --> 00:59:43.520
Nobody said anything, but the energy of the room wasn't great.

00:59:43.520 --> 00:59:46.520
So... Oh, a console isn't 500 bucks.

00:59:46.520 --> 00:59:51.520
Maybe that's why. I mean...

00:59:51.520 --> 00:59:54.520
PS5 Pro is 700. Yeah. The PS5 Pro.

00:59:54.520 --> 00:59:59.520
But we're talking the Pro. PS5 Pro is markedly more powerful than the Steam Machine.

01:00:00.520 --> 01:00:03.520
So PS5 Pro, Radeon equivalent.

01:00:03.520 --> 01:00:07.520
I think it's more equivalent to like a 7700.

01:00:07.520 --> 01:00:10.520
I don't follow consoles enough. Let me have a look. Let me have a look.

01:00:10.520 --> 01:00:15.520
So that is more equivalent to a 7700 XT.

01:00:15.520 --> 01:00:20.520
And then the base PS5 is about an RX 6700.

01:00:20.520 --> 01:00:24.520
So the base PS5 is closer to the Steam Machine in terms of performance.

01:00:24.520 --> 01:00:29.520
With that said, you know, it's not like the Steam Machine, even if it's at $600 or $700,

01:00:29.520 --> 01:00:32.520
isn't going to have any justification for it.

01:00:32.520 --> 01:00:35.520
The disk drive PS5 non-Pro is $550.

01:00:35.520 --> 01:00:38.520
Does the Steam Machine have a disk drive? No.

01:00:38.520 --> 01:00:41.520
Okay, then. Well, I don't think so.

01:00:41.520 --> 01:00:46.520
It has a lot of other stuff going on though. Yeah, I mean, compared to a PlayStation.

01:00:46.520 --> 01:00:50.520
Yeah, you can use it as a computer, but I think a lot of people won't.

01:00:50.520 --> 01:00:55.520
And the fact that Valve is shipping this thing with a controller tells me that this is...

01:00:55.520 --> 01:00:59.520
A controller with touch pads on it. And all but one demo.

01:00:59.520 --> 01:01:05.520
All but one demo that they had in their big like demo room was it hooked up to a TV.

01:01:05.520 --> 01:01:08.520
Like it wasn't... They had the one where it was hooked up to a monitor.

01:01:08.520 --> 01:01:14.520
I expect people to hook up to TVs, for sure. Right. I still just think it's not completely equivalent.

01:01:14.520 --> 01:01:19.520
I mean... I'm not surprised it would be more expensive.

01:01:19.520 --> 01:01:22.520
I think it honestly makes sense that it would probably be more expensive.

01:01:22.520 --> 01:01:26.520
There's not... Which one would be more expensive?

01:01:26.520 --> 01:01:31.520
The Steam Machine. What is it adding?

01:01:31.520 --> 01:01:39.520
It's a computer. Sure. How much are you going to compute from your couch?

01:01:39.520 --> 01:01:42.520
I can definitely see people using it in that way.

01:01:42.520 --> 01:01:46.520
And I can see that being a value add for people and it being more expensive because of that.

01:01:46.520 --> 01:01:49.520
Sure. I'm not saying I understand why the pricing might work that way.

01:01:49.520 --> 01:01:53.520
I'm not saying it's good. When you were saying there's more to it, I thought you meant there's like more hardware

01:01:53.520 --> 01:01:56.520
that I'm not accounting for that would make it like the cost higher.

01:01:56.520 --> 01:01:59.520
It's a different device. Sure.

01:01:59.520 --> 01:02:02.520
Yeah. Yeah. It's a different device.

01:02:02.520 --> 01:02:05.520
But you know, for me the question is like from a performance standpoint, the biggest

01:02:05.520 --> 01:02:08.520
justification for what I'm going to hook up to my TV.

01:02:08.520 --> 01:02:12.520
I'm not computing. I'm gaming. I'm gaming from my couch.

01:02:12.520 --> 01:02:15.520
So the biggest justification to me is that I can take advantage of Steam Sales.

01:02:15.520 --> 01:02:18.520
I don't have to buy things in the PlayStation Store.

01:02:18.520 --> 01:02:21.520
If it's going to be more expensive, that's the more meaningful.

01:02:21.520 --> 01:02:25.520
There are benefits to it being a compute device on your TV for sure.

01:02:25.520 --> 01:02:28.520
Sure. I think saying no to that is crazy. I mean, hit me.

01:02:28.520 --> 01:02:31.520
Like what? You can pirate things. Okay.

01:02:31.520 --> 01:02:35.520
But I can't watch like proper HDR Netflix because it's Linux.

01:02:35.520 --> 01:02:39.520
I mean, you could. It would be annoying, but you could.

01:02:39.520 --> 01:02:42.520
You can. Is that supported now? Because I'm not aware of it.

01:02:42.520 --> 01:02:45.520
You could virtual machine over if you cared.

01:02:45.520 --> 01:02:48.520
HDR? Because you have a... With what streaming platform?

01:02:48.520 --> 01:02:52.520
Sorry. What? Like watching HDR?

01:02:52.520 --> 01:02:56.520
Like, like DRM protected HDR Netflix?

01:02:56.520 --> 01:02:59.520
No. You can't do that through Windows? Not...

01:02:59.520 --> 01:03:02.520
If you boot Windows through anyways? Sure.

01:03:02.520 --> 01:03:08.520
But then now you're buying a Windows license. Oh, sure. You're pirating things, so you can't pirate the easiest thing to pirate?

01:03:08.520 --> 01:03:12.520
I mean, at this point, you're basically making the argument of like just going in...

01:03:12.520 --> 01:03:16.520
Like you're taking this... We're talking about a console right now.

01:03:16.520 --> 01:03:19.520
I mean, at the point of what you... We're not.

01:03:19.520 --> 01:03:22.520
That's my point. At the point of what you're talking about, go build a PC and then just hide it behind

01:03:22.520 --> 01:03:25.520
your media console. I mean, in a lot of ways, yeah.

01:03:25.520 --> 01:03:29.520
Well, right, but that's not what we're talking about. Except that's what they're selling.

01:03:29.520 --> 01:03:32.520
Sort of. Actually. Were you there?

01:03:32.520 --> 01:03:35.520
No. Okay. So that's not really the messaging.

01:03:35.520 --> 01:03:39.520
Okay. It's part of it. So it projects that it's not a console.

01:03:39.520 --> 01:03:45.520
It's specifically not a console. It's not a console, but what it is, is it is designed for a very console-like experience.

01:03:45.520 --> 01:03:48.880
Totally. It will do that and more stuff, which is my point.

01:03:48.880 --> 01:03:53.240
I don't really... I'm actually having a hard time kind of following along here.

01:03:53.240 --> 01:03:59.040
But basically where we started was I went, hey, I don't really think that there's a lot

01:03:59.040 --> 01:04:05.720
here that would justify four years later why this thing would be priced like a four-year-old

01:04:05.720 --> 01:04:12.640
PlayStation 5, and if you kind of go, yeah, there's more utility and it being open, it's

01:04:12.640 --> 01:04:18.600
like, yeah, but at that point, yeah, you could just build a PC and flash a Steam OS image

01:04:18.600 --> 01:04:22.920
on it. Yeah, and they said it will be very competitively priced with PCs.

01:04:22.920 --> 01:04:26.720
So you could do that, or you could buy this thing, you could do either one.

01:04:26.720 --> 01:04:37.360
Yeah, there's a value to a very significant portion of the population to a more seamless

01:04:37.360 --> 01:04:42.200
console experience, and what you're describing is not that.

01:04:42.200 --> 01:04:45.720
Sure. That's like the DIY PC thing.

01:04:45.720 --> 01:04:53.840
But if I can do both, then if I have that level of knowledge, I don't actually need

01:04:53.840 --> 01:04:57.200
Valve to bring this to me. I could have done that already.

01:04:57.200 --> 01:05:01.120
I could do that today. So that's kind of where I'm getting a little bit confused here.

01:05:01.120 --> 01:05:05.880
Is the boot with your home theater system thing, something that's easily done by end

01:05:05.880 --> 01:05:10.200
users? On a DIY PC?

01:05:10.200 --> 01:05:18.440
So this is cool. Someone flagged for me, apparently there's a USB dongle that can add CEC to any off-the-shelf

01:05:18.440 --> 01:05:22.360
computer. I have not validated this, but that's on my list of stuff.

01:05:22.360 --> 01:05:25.800
I've never heard of that personally. I've never heard of that. It's on my list.

01:05:25.800 --> 01:05:31.000
It's got a few upvotes. So that's on my list of stuff to validate for the full review of the Steam machine,

01:05:31.000 --> 01:05:34.760
because that's a really important sort of... That sounds cool.

01:05:34.760 --> 01:05:40.700
Yeah. That's a really important element of if you were trying to build the exact same functionality

01:05:40.700 --> 01:05:45.040
on your own, what would you have to do? This should be a video.

01:05:45.040 --> 01:05:50.520
You should try to beat. You should try to beat. You should install Steam OS on it.

01:05:50.520 --> 01:05:53.520
Cool. Sounds good.

01:05:53.800 --> 01:05:57.400
Yes, of course.

01:05:57.400 --> 01:06:03.080
But that has to be part of the calculation, right? And you got to go buy a good controller.

01:06:03.080 --> 01:06:07.960
Like you can't just buy the cheapest controller and say, oh, well, I have a controller, therefore

01:06:07.960 --> 01:06:13.600
I am feature equivalent. You could just buy a Steam controller.

01:06:13.600 --> 01:06:17.520
You mean the old one? Can you not buy the new one? Well, not yet.

01:06:17.520 --> 01:06:20.520
We're going to do this. We're going to do it first. Got it.

01:06:20.520 --> 01:06:24.560
So basically the title's going to be I Couldn't Wait, So I Built My Own Steam Machine. I'm going to use the old chassis.

01:06:24.560 --> 01:06:29.360
Do you wait until the pricing comes out and then try to match the pricing?

01:06:29.360 --> 01:06:32.800
Or are you just going to look at the specs and see what price you can make it for and

01:06:32.800 --> 01:06:36.280
then kind of beat them to the pricing conversation? That would be really interesting.

01:06:36.280 --> 01:06:39.760
I don't know because I think there's multiple ways that we can tackle it.

01:06:39.760 --> 01:06:42.920
The one that I built for myself is actually going to be more powerful.

01:06:42.920 --> 01:06:47.080
I'm a little disappointed in the specs to be just completely black.

01:06:47.080 --> 01:06:57.720
I mean, I think that's pretty fair. A PlayStation 5 today for more than like $500, $600, I'm not excited.

01:06:57.720 --> 01:07:01.000
It's okay, but it's not exciting to me.

01:07:01.000 --> 01:07:08.000
To me, the exciting part is just SteamOS on more pieces of hardware that are being sold

01:07:08.000 --> 01:07:11.000
to people. Yeah. And that's cool.

01:07:11.000 --> 01:07:16.760
And, you know, I'm still, you know, four years later, very excited for SteamOS to become

01:07:16.760 --> 01:07:20.520
a more mainstream thing that's easier to install on a wide range of hardware and all

01:07:20.520 --> 01:07:28.280
that stuff. But in terms of like what I need in my life, if it doesn't come with aggressive pricing,

01:07:28.280 --> 01:07:32.200
and it was a little surprising to me that it wasn't going to be priced like a console

01:07:32.200 --> 01:07:36.960
because the Steam Deck pretty much was and still is.

01:07:36.960 --> 01:07:43.800
You look at it compared to, you know, the Ionios and the ROG allies of the world and

01:07:43.800 --> 01:07:47.200
they are undercutting them significantly.

01:07:47.200 --> 01:07:52.680
But Valve made the strategic decision in this case not to do custom silicon that would yield

01:07:52.680 --> 01:07:57.880
them a large savings over a very large volume product, which tells me, you know, a couple

01:07:57.880 --> 01:08:03.600
of things. One is that they don't necessarily know if this is going to be a high volume product.

01:08:03.600 --> 01:08:09.320
This or it tells me that they don't even want to interfere with the ecosystem, which,

01:08:09.320 --> 01:08:14.880
you know, was part of the conversation that we had, even though they couldn't give me like firm reasons around everything.

01:08:14.880 --> 01:08:21.080
Interesting. Yeah. I mean, they've had much stronger partnerships with especially PlayStation, but also Xbox

01:08:21.080 --> 01:08:27.320
recently. So maybe they're like kind of semi-joining the space, but trying to do it in a fairly

01:08:27.320 --> 01:08:32.120
friendly way. And that would be true to the original vision for Steam Machine.

01:08:32.120 --> 01:08:38.520
Like if you recall, Steam Machine, the one that I have, the like prototype, like one,

01:08:38.520 --> 01:08:42.280
that was not a real product. They launched with partners like Alienware.

01:08:42.280 --> 01:08:45.880
You could make it in that box. Of course I am.

01:08:45.880 --> 01:08:50.080
Come on, man. Come on. By the way, I just looked this up.

01:08:50.080 --> 01:08:57.960
I don't know if it's the same one that got linked to you. There's a few threads that I found talking about it and somebody already said that it

01:08:57.960 --> 01:09:02.160
like works with Steam Deck. Oh, interesting.

01:09:02.160 --> 01:09:07.240
And apparently it advertises somewhere that it's like compatible with macOS.

01:09:07.240 --> 01:09:11.960
Oh, now they say Linux. Okay. Point O is a disappointment.

01:09:11.960 --> 01:09:15.600
So I'll have to look around. There might also be other ones. I don't know.

01:09:15.600 --> 01:09:19.880
I'll have to see what's out there, but that's definitely something that we'd have to factor

01:09:19.880 --> 01:09:26.920
in. Yeah. Someone in Twitch chat just said, Dark Horse said, Pulse 8, yeah, these guys are legit.

01:09:26.920 --> 01:09:33.360
And I've seen a few threads talking about them. Maybe they have a different one that's not, you know, 2.0a anymore.

01:09:33.360 --> 01:09:39.400
I don't know, man. I'm excited for the idea of the year of the Linux desktop.

01:09:39.400 --> 01:09:43.360
What I'm not excited about is it not having a console like price.

01:09:43.360 --> 01:09:48.760
And the other thing that's great about consoles is the way that they tend to plummet in value.

01:09:48.760 --> 01:09:51.920
Yeah, this will have that problem, I suspect.

01:09:51.920 --> 01:09:55.160
Well, no, no, no, I don't think it will. Really?

01:09:55.160 --> 01:09:59.880
Because it's a PC. I just, the reason why I think so is just because it's like already slow and old.

01:09:59.880 --> 01:10:02.880
You think so? Okay. That'll be.

01:10:02.920 --> 01:10:09.960
People don't like people calling it slow and old. Hubs sort of under fire for calling it, I think, slow and old or something like that.

01:10:09.960 --> 01:10:18.560
Really? Yeah. As a new, as a device that's coming out next year, that feels based on what we expect the

01:10:18.560 --> 01:10:25.000
price will be, that feels true to me. Mr. Faray, USB 2, did I say USB 2 was a disappointment?

01:10:25.000 --> 01:10:32.280
I meant HDMI 2 was a disappointment. I'd like it to be 2.1 at this point, that dongle.

01:10:32.320 --> 01:10:35.800
The USB doesn't matter. All right.

01:10:35.800 --> 01:10:43.400
No, okay. So to be clear, that 2,500K system that I mentioned on, I think last Wanshow is playing

01:10:43.400 --> 01:10:48.880
Arc Raiders right now. So being old doesn't necessarily even mean that big of a deal.

01:10:48.880 --> 01:10:52.720
I just think. Well, it's not the CPU I'm worried about. Exactly.

01:10:52.720 --> 01:10:59.760
It's that 7,600 8-gig GPU, and the fact that Valve is even talking about 4K on it.

01:10:59.760 --> 01:11:09.120
In fairness to them. They attach that to upscaling. They are being very upfront that they mean with FSR, which basically means not 4K.

01:11:09.120 --> 01:11:18.560
Not actually, yeah. But we are probably, what, two years now from PlayStation 6, which means we're probably

01:11:18.560 --> 01:11:25.320
three to four years from games that are actually going to leverage PlayStation 6 hardware,

01:11:25.320 --> 01:11:30.880
meaning that Valve has kind of like a half a console generation before they can't, with

01:11:30.880 --> 01:11:37.600
a straight face, say, yeah, it'll run basically high-end games on Steam at 4K 60 FPS with

01:11:37.600 --> 01:11:41.760
FSR, because all the FSR in the world is not going to make a PlayStation 6 game run.

01:11:41.760 --> 01:11:45.720
It just sucks that that's going to be true for such a short period of time, like you're saying.

01:11:45.720 --> 01:11:53.480
Yeah, exactly. But Mr. Nick88 in Twitch chat did also say, quote from Valve engineer, Yazan Alda Hayat,

01:11:53.480 --> 01:11:56.480
I think. I hope. Sure.

01:11:56.480 --> 01:11:59.720
The Steam machine is equal to or better than what 70% of people have at home.

01:11:59.720 --> 01:12:05.520
And that's an interesting comment, because it's not...

01:12:05.520 --> 01:12:12.880
It's so open that it will, like if I think about the types of games that I'm usually going

01:12:12.880 --> 01:12:20.120
to want to be playing on my TV, it will probably be fine for a significantly longer period

01:12:20.120 --> 01:12:24.200
of time. The crap out of Castle Crashers on your Steam machine.

01:12:24.200 --> 01:12:28.320
Exactly. Most like couch co-op things. What's that RV game?

01:12:28.320 --> 01:12:31.320
Moving out. Oh no. That's the different one.

01:12:31.320 --> 01:12:35.360
RV there yet. Yeah. That game, I'm sure, it'll run completely fine.

01:12:35.360 --> 01:12:38.600
But also moving out, you know, overcooked, like...

01:12:38.600 --> 01:12:42.040
Yeah. All those games will be no problem for basically like ever.

01:12:42.040 --> 01:12:47.080
What's that Mario Party clone, but like more violent? You know the one I'm talking about, right?

01:12:47.080 --> 01:12:50.080
He would know. Pummel Party. Yeah, Pummel Party.

01:12:50.120 --> 01:12:53.680
That's going to run on it. No problem, right?

01:12:53.680 --> 01:12:57.520
So to be clear, I'm not saying it's like bad. No.

01:12:57.520 --> 01:13:03.720
I'm just saying that compared to a PlayStation 5, which I can literally get on Facebook

01:13:03.720 --> 01:13:07.120
Marketplace for like, what did I pay for the one in Scrapyard Wars?

01:13:07.120 --> 01:13:10.360
Like less than 400 Canadian dollars? Yeah.

01:13:10.360 --> 01:13:13.360
Yeah. That's tough. That's tough.

01:13:13.360 --> 01:13:18.200
That's tough. And there are benefits to a device like that over this.

01:13:18.240 --> 01:13:22.160
Like for instance, being able to stream protected content, which, and I get it.

01:13:22.160 --> 01:13:29.920
I know our audience, there's a lot of piracy. There's a lot of sailing the high seas, but that's not everybody, right?

01:13:29.920 --> 01:13:34.160
And so we do have to acknowledge that for a lot of people, the steam machine is not

01:13:34.160 --> 01:13:39.120
just going to be a no-brainer, like obviously anything else is stupid.

01:13:39.120 --> 01:13:42.800
I think another thing that'll hurt it, and I didn't articulate this earlier, but I did

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mean to earlier, I just forgot, is that I don't think this is going to have a almost

01:13:52.440 --> 01:13:57.720
unique-less value. It is cool. It's the first steam machine that's actually publicly available.

01:13:57.720 --> 01:14:00.720
It has steam OS, all that kind of stuff. No, it's not.

01:14:00.720 --> 01:14:04.440
For sale? Well, I mean, there were the old ones. They were for sale.

01:14:04.440 --> 01:14:07.440
Oh, I didn't even know they actually went for sale. Yeah, nobody bought them. Okay.

01:14:07.440 --> 01:14:11.360
Yeah. I didn't know they actually went for sale. I thought, anyways, whatever.

01:14:11.360 --> 01:14:16.760
The only thing about old consoles that keeps their value is the like, there are probably

01:14:16.760 --> 01:14:22.120
games that only work on this, or it had a very unique experience for some particular

01:14:22.120 --> 01:14:27.280
reason. Yeah. So the way that they drop, because there's so many of them, but then they hold.

01:14:27.280 --> 01:14:30.280
And then they'll go up. And then they'll eventually... I don't think that's going to happen here.

01:14:30.280 --> 01:14:33.280
I don't. Exactly. It's just going to be an old computer.

01:14:33.280 --> 01:14:36.280
Yes. Which... Yeah.

01:14:36.280 --> 01:14:42.600
We'll see how it goes. Old computers will, again, they'll drop and they'll hold for a long time, but then they

01:14:42.600 --> 01:14:47.800
just plummet. They'll hit a wall where it's like, this just kind of sucks now.

01:14:47.800 --> 01:14:50.960
It's not getting driver updates anymore. These various things are happening.

01:14:50.960 --> 01:14:53.960
I mean, Linux, though. And then get ditched. Linux, though.

01:14:53.960 --> 01:14:58.080
The fact that it runs Linux and you don't have to worry about Microsoft just like rug-pulling

01:14:58.080 --> 01:15:01.960
your ability to boot the latest OS that's getting security updates, like...

01:15:01.960 --> 01:15:07.080
That might help it be more legit for longer. Yeah. I think there's going to be a lot at play in its ability to hold value, for sure.

01:15:07.080 --> 01:15:10.080
Of course, baby. Yeah. Okay.

01:15:10.080 --> 01:15:14.720
The last thing before we bring Elijah on and talk about Linus X Linus is the Steam Controller.

01:15:14.720 --> 01:15:23.800
Yes. Specifically the name. So I took a bit of a shot at Valve for calling the Steam Controller, Steam Controller, when

01:15:23.800 --> 01:15:27.800
they already have a product called Steam Controller.

01:15:27.800 --> 01:15:32.600
They sure do.

01:15:32.600 --> 01:15:36.520
They sure do. Like if you Google Steam Controller, says Steam Controller on Steam, the picture is

01:15:36.560 --> 01:15:39.880
the old one. You click on it and it's right there.

01:15:39.880 --> 01:15:42.880
They did add 2015 now. Yeah.

01:15:42.880 --> 01:15:47.200
So I did take a little bit of flack for this in the comments as well.

01:15:47.200 --> 01:15:52.680
It's a stupid critique, Linus. That one has been long discontinued.

01:15:52.680 --> 01:15:57.320
There's no way that anyone would get confused about it when the new one is like, you know,

01:15:57.320 --> 01:16:01.480
obviously the new one. I Googled Steam Controller.

01:16:01.480 --> 01:16:08.720
And my response to that is, no, this is unconscionable.

01:16:08.720 --> 01:16:16.760
This is not okay. Nothing can ever be named the same thing exactly as another product because it serves literally

01:16:16.760 --> 01:16:19.800
no purpose other than to be confusing.

01:16:19.800 --> 01:16:22.920
So counterpoint, you're right.

01:16:22.920 --> 01:16:27.720
In the near future, there won't be a ton of confusion because all the SEO will be towards

01:16:27.720 --> 01:16:30.720
the new one. Yeah. Okay.

01:16:30.920 --> 01:16:35.320
What if you have an old one and you're trying to do a battery swap or something like that

01:16:35.320 --> 01:16:38.800
on it? Well, I guess go fuck yourself. Cool.

01:16:38.800 --> 01:16:44.400
Also, what about 10 years from now when they are both old and obsolete and you are trying

01:16:44.400 --> 01:16:50.080
to find information, you're trying to find a how to guide or you're trying to, well,

01:16:50.080 --> 01:16:54.000
I mean, yeah, that's the biggest one is it pretty much my objection to this comes down

01:16:54.000 --> 01:16:59.120
to ease of finding information and right to repair, calling something the exact same thing

01:16:59.120 --> 01:17:08.080
is completely unnecessary, completely unnecessary and can lead to nothing but confusion.

01:17:08.080 --> 01:17:12.320
And when I asked valve point blank, why did you do this?

01:17:12.320 --> 01:17:19.720
They said it was because it would reduce confusion.

01:17:19.720 --> 01:17:29.240
That was actually the fucking reason, which to me, I don't, I don't accept in the plate

01:17:29.240 --> 01:17:33.080
devil's advocate. Sure. Apple's done this forever.

01:17:33.080 --> 01:17:38.880
Yeah, which is exactly what I brought up and they acknowledged what a problem it is.

01:17:38.880 --> 01:17:42.560
And I do think considering the amount of steam controllers out there, especially that are

01:17:42.560 --> 01:17:47.960
still in use, this might actually reduce confusion because the amount of people, the amount of

01:17:48.320 --> 01:17:53.120
people that will have the new one and just not even know the old one existed.

01:17:53.120 --> 01:17:58.320
But tell me this, if they called it steam controller two, it would have been fine.

01:17:58.320 --> 01:18:02.880
How would that confuse anybody? I don't necessarily think it would.

01:18:02.880 --> 01:18:06.600
I have a fun thing though that's going to hurt some people's brains. Is this actually how it works?

01:18:06.600 --> 01:18:12.440
Does the USB-C port not line up with the little LED thing? Don't worry about it.

01:18:12.440 --> 01:18:15.440
Get this, get this. What?

01:18:15.440 --> 01:18:18.960
No, you can't move on from that. We're not done yet.

01:18:18.960 --> 01:18:22.960
Bring that back. We're not done yet. No, we're not going back to that.

01:18:22.960 --> 01:18:28.760
So when I talked to them, I was like, look guys, do you want to be Microsoft?

01:18:28.760 --> 01:18:34.560
Do you want to have stupid naming schemes that don't make any sense?

01:18:34.560 --> 01:18:38.720
Or look at one of the other players in the console space.

01:18:38.720 --> 01:18:44.880
Sony hasn't run into fucking confusion by calling the PlayStation 2, PlayStation 2.

01:18:44.880 --> 01:18:50.080
Here's a question for you. I'm not done yet. No, I'm not done.

01:18:50.080 --> 01:18:54.360
So they didn't run into confusion calling it PlayStation 3.

01:18:54.360 --> 01:18:57.960
That's not confusing in spite of the fact that far more people bought a PlayStation

01:18:57.960 --> 01:19:04.200
2 than a PlayStation 1. Consoles went way more mainstream, especially in the West around PlayStation 2.

01:19:04.200 --> 01:19:08.200
Like way more. It moved so many units. That's not confusing.

01:19:08.200 --> 01:19:12.240
And the same thing, I said the same thing, DualShock, DualShock 2. That's not confusing.

01:19:12.240 --> 01:19:16.600
Nobody's confused. And they went, well, yeah, but what about DualSense?

01:19:16.600 --> 01:19:20.360
I'm like, yeah, what about DualSense?

01:19:20.360 --> 01:19:25.680
It's got a completely new ergonomic design. It has their Sense haptic triggers.

01:19:25.680 --> 01:19:31.200
It has a clearly differentiating feature. And also it's not called the fucking same thing.

01:19:31.200 --> 01:19:34.520
It's called DualSense. It has a new name. What about Steam Machine?

01:19:34.520 --> 01:19:42.360
So Steam Machine's stupid too. Steam Machine, I don't mind as much though because literally not a single one still exists.

01:19:42.920 --> 01:19:51.280
Everyone who bought those put Windows on it. You literally can't, that ancient original SteamOS that ran on it, they used NVIDIA GPUs

01:19:51.280 --> 01:19:57.320
back then. You literally can't even install new SteamOS on it.

01:19:57.320 --> 01:20:02.280
Steam Machine is more of a concept, or was more of a concept at the beginning.

01:20:02.280 --> 01:20:10.480
You didn't buy a Steam Machine. You bought an Alienware, whatever part number, and it was listed on Steam as a Steam Machine.

01:20:10.480 --> 01:20:14.040
So this is the first first party Steam Machine.

01:20:14.040 --> 01:20:21.120
So I can at least kind of get behind that. I remember it was through the OEMs, I thought they had a first party one as well.

01:20:21.120 --> 01:20:27.960
The first party one just went out to press to try out SteamOS and experience the ecosystem.

01:20:27.960 --> 01:20:30.960
But it was all third party.

01:20:30.960 --> 01:20:39.160
That's not that bad. So this is one of those things where the only reason to call something the same thing is

01:20:39.160 --> 01:20:45.720
to unnecessarily screw up search results, which Luke managed to demonstrate far more

01:20:45.720 --> 01:20:51.440
succinctly and easily than I had even thought to do it. Dude, it was, I was actually stunned that it came up that way.

01:20:51.440 --> 01:20:56.000
I'm not, because this is a serious f***ing problem.

01:20:56.000 --> 01:21:02.680
Any time you try to fix- And just to prove the first result is the old one.

01:21:02.680 --> 01:21:07.120
The second, and it says you visit often, I've only visited today, the second result is the

01:21:07.120 --> 01:21:10.840
new one. There is no reason to do this.

01:21:10.840 --> 01:21:16.480
Like if you've ever tried to find what version of iOS is supported on an iPad, if you don't

01:21:16.480 --> 01:21:23.120
pay super close attention and you know like, oh, this is the late 2017 one, or there's

01:21:23.120 --> 01:21:27.760
like little tiny letters on the back that you can like pull out a magnifying glass and

01:21:27.760 --> 01:21:33.880
like search for that specific model, and it's just called iPad, it's like f***ing worthless.

01:21:33.880 --> 01:21:38.000
If you're trying to replace a screen or a battery or a home button or whatever the case

01:21:38.000 --> 01:21:43.400
may be and just find information about the bloody thing, that is the only purpose that

01:21:43.400 --> 01:21:47.960
it serves and the really infuriating part of it is that Apple knows better.

01:21:47.960 --> 01:21:54.040
For their cash cow, for the iPhone, they all have a clear, a clear name that is different

01:21:54.040 --> 01:21:58.360
from the one before and different from the one after. They're all clearly named.

01:21:58.360 --> 01:22:03.160
It's, it's, it still fits under clearly named, but in my opinion, they faltered for a second

01:22:03.160 --> 01:22:06.520
with the X, but then they came back, they came, they fixed it.

01:22:06.520 --> 01:22:09.520
And at least it had a name that was not the same as any other iPhone.

01:22:09.520 --> 01:22:14.200
I totally agree. It just wasn't as good and then they went back to being good again.

01:22:14.200 --> 01:22:17.720
And to be clear, Apple doesn't do everything perfectly in this regard either.

01:22:17.720 --> 01:22:23.000
The new SE is called 16E instead of just calling it the, and the SEs were actually kind of

01:22:23.000 --> 01:22:27.680
dumb because they had like SE and then SE second generation, like they have made mistakes.

01:22:27.680 --> 01:22:32.360
I didn't even know that. But those are mistakes. Those are not okay.

01:22:32.360 --> 01:22:37.160
It's never okay. And no, it was, because I could, I could make the exact same statement.

01:22:37.160 --> 01:22:41.640
We called it steam controller so that it wouldn't be confusing.

01:22:41.640 --> 01:22:46.800
I could see the exact same thing. We called it steam controller too, so it wouldn't be confusing.

01:22:46.800 --> 01:22:50.120
Which of those actually made more sense to you? Of course.

01:22:50.120 --> 01:22:57.320
Yeah. Yeah. I just, I can't, whenever someone gives you a reason, and I use the word reason very

01:22:57.320 --> 01:23:01.280
loosely here because reason implies logic and logic is math.

01:23:01.280 --> 01:23:06.720
Whenever somebody gives you a reason for their actions that does not logic, then what it

01:23:06.720 --> 01:23:09.880
means is either they're stupid or they're lying.

01:23:09.880 --> 01:23:13.480
Those are the only answers. And I don't know what Valve's game is here.

01:23:13.480 --> 01:23:19.800
I don't understand this, but I don't agree with it and I will never agree with it.

01:23:19.800 --> 01:23:23.400
No two products should ever be called exactly the same thing, ever.

01:23:23.400 --> 01:23:28.040
Speaking of not agreeing with it, I looked up images and references and stuff like that

01:23:28.040 --> 01:23:31.640
and the USB-C port does line up with the middle of the controller.

01:23:31.640 --> 01:23:36.960
I think that animation that they have is just not correct.

01:23:36.960 --> 01:23:42.160
Or maybe the magnet is off-centered. Oh yeah, it's not plugging into USB port.

01:23:42.160 --> 01:23:45.680
No, it looks like the magnet's centered. It's probably just the graphic.

01:23:45.680 --> 01:23:49.640
I wouldn't worry about that. That is like the least. Oh, it will bother the...

01:23:49.640 --> 01:23:53.560
Engagement fate. ...out of people. It will bother people so much.

01:23:53.560 --> 01:23:57.480
I don't actually remember where it was. I'm sure it's fine. It all looks centered.

01:23:57.480 --> 01:24:02.080
Yeah. Yeah. A full-plane chat seems to be back.

01:24:02.080 --> 01:24:05.080
Oh, really? For now, maybe. For now, maybe.

01:24:05.080 --> 01:24:09.880
Oh, we'll see how it goes. That's fine. Should we talk about Linus X Linus?

01:24:09.880 --> 01:24:18.800
Yeah. Dude. It was the best thing ever.

01:24:18.800 --> 01:24:24.280
I mean... It was weird hearing him say that he was glad that Luke wasn't here.

01:24:24.280 --> 01:24:29.600
I've been joined. I don't even.

01:24:29.600 --> 01:24:34.280
Is this Micon? It will be in a second. Just wait for him to get settled.

01:24:34.280 --> 01:24:37.280
Do you want to give it a quick tap for me?

01:24:37.280 --> 01:24:41.000
Okay, wait. I actually do think Chad is actually properly back now. Thank you, AJ.

01:24:41.000 --> 01:24:44.000
I've got headphones and everything. Yeah, you're mad. Nice.

01:24:44.000 --> 01:24:47.000
Can you hear okay? Yeah, we... We...

01:24:47.000 --> 01:24:50.000
We sprained for the headphones. Give me a... Give me a tippy tap.

01:24:50.000 --> 01:24:53.000
Just on the... Perfect. Okay.

01:24:53.000 --> 01:24:56.000
All right. Hopefully this isn't too loud. Let's do this thing.

01:24:56.000 --> 01:24:59.520
No, no. Speaking of having two things named the same.

01:24:59.520 --> 01:25:02.520
There we go. Yeah. How confusing was that?

01:25:02.520 --> 01:25:09.840
I... I've never really gone through that. It was quite funny every single time being like, hey Linus, and then both would turn

01:25:09.840 --> 01:25:13.120
every single time for the whole day.

01:25:13.120 --> 01:25:17.000
Did you guys get really hardcore about Linus and Linus?

01:25:17.000 --> 01:25:21.360
No. Oh. He actually doesn't agree with that.

01:25:21.360 --> 01:25:26.200
Oh. Probably Linus if you are speaking Swedish to him.

01:25:26.200 --> 01:25:35.200
That totally makes sense to me. Otherwise he goes by Linus. I called him Linus just because it kind of broke my brain to call anyone else Linus,

01:25:35.200 --> 01:25:41.480
except sometimes I think I called him Linus a couple of times. Well you had asked him about it and then you tried Linus for a while.

01:25:41.480 --> 01:25:45.280
Then you said Linus, then you said Linus.

01:25:45.280 --> 01:25:48.480
You honestly bounced back and forth quite a bit between all three.

01:25:48.480 --> 01:25:51.960
It's a hard name. Debatable. It's a hard name.

01:25:51.960 --> 01:25:54.960
It's very debatable. Strong name. Can you say the word line?

01:25:54.960 --> 01:26:00.840
Can you say the word us? I mean you'd be surprised how few people can handle it, especially in other languages.

01:26:00.840 --> 01:26:07.920
It's very difficult. It's very difficult. So I mean, dude, I don't even know, I don't even really know where to start with this.

01:26:07.920 --> 01:26:11.680
If you weren't paying attention or you're just joining the show now, we had the one

01:26:11.680 --> 01:26:17.680
and only Linus Torvalds, the creator of the Linux kernel here to shoot a collaborative

01:26:17.680 --> 01:26:22.680
video this week. We reached out to him saying, hey, what do you think?

01:26:22.680 --> 01:26:27.200
Would you like to do a video together? Got back the weirdest response ever.

01:26:27.200 --> 01:26:30.200
Oh dude, it was very strange.

01:26:30.200 --> 01:26:33.520
Awesome. You should stop bringing that up and down because it's a lot of mic movement.

01:26:33.520 --> 01:26:36.840
You might just have to kind of hold it. Okay. Sorry, sir.

01:26:36.840 --> 01:26:39.840
I could handle noises. My bad, sir. No, you're great.

01:26:39.840 --> 01:26:42.840
Cut a lot of it out. So you probably hear more than they do. Oh, cool.

01:26:42.840 --> 01:26:45.840
We go Linus. Linus. It's Linus.

01:26:45.840 --> 01:26:54.320
Yeah. So he basically said, without accepting or declining, well, the only way for this to work

01:26:54.320 --> 01:27:02.080
would be for it to something, something, there can be only one like the hit 80s movie

01:27:02.080 --> 01:27:07.400
Highlander or two men enter one man leaves like Mad Max.

01:27:07.400 --> 01:27:11.520
And so I basically responded with, I don't know what to make of these.

01:27:11.520 --> 01:27:15.560
I'm going to give myself the homework of watching these old movies I've never seen and I will

01:27:15.560 --> 01:27:20.280
get back to you, which it took me a very long time because I don't find a ton of time to

01:27:20.280 --> 01:27:26.720
watch movies. And then eventually I did and it turns out that he had meant yes.

01:27:26.720 --> 01:27:32.240
We actually found out while he was here that he has a very interesting approach to email.

01:27:32.240 --> 01:27:36.680
Oh, yeah. I suspect he has an interesting approach to a lot of things.

01:27:36.680 --> 01:27:42.240
Feel free to participate. Well, I don't want to interrupt you. Well, no, I mean, yeah, you're hanging around late at work to participate.

01:27:42.240 --> 01:27:48.120
Why don't you tell the email? He's very different than our Linus, where our Linus might take anywhere between four

01:27:48.120 --> 01:27:52.520
minutes and four business months to respond to an email.

01:27:52.520 --> 01:27:58.120
Mr. Linus Torvalds has says, if I don't respond in 15 minutes, probably wasn't important anyways.

01:27:58.120 --> 01:28:02.320
And then you're not going to get a response and he archives it and he's like, if it's

01:28:02.320 --> 01:28:06.280
important enough, they'll follow up again and then I'll respond then based.

01:28:06.280 --> 01:28:10.640
So he almost responded like with it was definitely within 15 minutes of your original email,

01:28:10.640 --> 01:28:16.240
which I was floored by. And then what he said was like, yeah, well, it was either that or not.

01:28:16.240 --> 01:28:20.920
And I was like, oh, well, I'm glad it was important enough to that.

01:28:20.920 --> 01:28:28.000
I think that's based. And then you guys set up a call and did some talking and here we are.

01:28:28.000 --> 01:28:31.000
Okay. Out of 10. How cool was it?

01:28:31.000 --> 01:28:37.920
Like a 17. Dude, like we have some footage on your phone of us in the lobby because he gave me the

01:28:37.920 --> 01:28:41.720
access to his Uber to see like whereabouts he was. We could just keep track.

01:28:41.720 --> 01:28:48.280
And I was like watching it like a hawk. Well, first, so nervous. First, we were freaking out because he was what, half an hour early, an hour early.

01:28:48.280 --> 01:28:52.560
Oh yeah. He's like super early. So we're sitting there like, that's not ready.

01:28:52.560 --> 01:28:57.680
We're not ready to shoot this. Linus is still in the middle of a meeting right now. What are we going to do this?

01:28:57.680 --> 01:29:02.920
So finally, about five minutes before he's showing up, Linus and I walked down to the

01:29:02.920 --> 01:29:07.480
front lobby and we're just kind of like pacing back and forth, like waiting or like, what

01:29:07.520 --> 01:29:13.640
do we do? How do we open this? Because we were standing on the set and I was like, dude, what is the point of us trying

01:29:13.640 --> 01:29:21.040
to play this cool? We might as well just wait for him on the doorstep because we want to.

01:29:21.040 --> 01:29:25.880
Yep. And so maybe that footage will make it onto Floatplane at some point of us just in the

01:29:25.880 --> 01:29:28.880
lobby. I think there's, I do think there's stuff coming. Yeah.

01:29:28.880 --> 01:29:35.400
Oh, yeah. No, there's actually, Sammy already has, there's already something behind the scenes up on

01:29:35.400 --> 01:29:39.000
Floatplane right now. Let me have a look.

01:29:39.000 --> 01:29:42.560
There's actually two already.

01:29:42.560 --> 01:29:45.920
Behind the scenes, shooting the intro for the collab.

01:29:45.920 --> 01:29:49.200
So we ended up, here's a bit of a spoiler. We went with Highlander.

01:29:49.200 --> 01:29:56.400
There can be only one. So we do like kind of a goofy sword fight thing.

01:29:56.400 --> 01:30:03.720
Here's some pictures. Except I can only get samurai swords. I unfortunately couldn't get broad swords like the movie.

01:30:03.720 --> 01:30:08.480
So we'll have all that, we have all that up on Floatplane right now.

01:30:08.480 --> 01:30:15.120
Then how can you be that much of a Chad and still genuinely that humble, but also know

01:30:15.120 --> 01:30:21.920
how important you are? Oh, yeah. Because he definitely knows how important he is or how important his contribution has

01:30:21.920 --> 01:30:28.280
been. But he's just, I don't know, it was like kind of hanging out with like someone's dad.

01:30:28.280 --> 01:30:33.080
Like he's just very down to earth. Yeah. It got really comfortable really quickly.

01:30:33.640 --> 01:30:39.920
Except me. I asked you, I was like, was Valon or this, like more, what were you more nervous for?

01:30:39.920 --> 01:30:42.920
Oh, this. Yeah. Not even close.

01:30:42.920 --> 01:30:46.920
Like Valon's a celebrity. But Torvalds.

01:30:46.920 --> 01:30:50.000
In our space is a dramatically bigger deal.

01:30:50.000 --> 01:30:54.840
Like we were talking about it, Elijah and I both were like, okay, well, this is it then.

01:30:54.840 --> 01:31:00.200
I actually can't see any other peak of like having a guest do a type of video.

01:31:00.200 --> 01:31:05.320
Have him back. The first thing that other people will say is, okay, well, what about Bill Gates?

01:31:05.320 --> 01:31:08.920
And it's like, no, you got to be kidding me. That was exact response.

01:31:08.920 --> 01:31:11.920
Yeah. Exactly. Not even close.

01:31:11.920 --> 01:31:14.920
It's like, why not some, why not some other billionaire? Yeah.

01:31:14.920 --> 01:31:17.920
Like actually. Actually though. No.

01:31:17.920 --> 01:31:20.920
Like this is. This is. It was unbelievably cool.

01:31:20.920 --> 01:31:24.080
I think that gay men would be, would be close for me.

01:31:24.080 --> 01:31:28.440
Oh, for sure. Torvalds gay men.

01:31:28.440 --> 01:31:34.800
You got to go. I haven't talked about this topic yet, but you got to go meet gay men on his yacht, 364

01:31:34.800 --> 01:31:43.600
foot. Please. Wozniak would be very cool, but less meaningful to me.

01:31:43.600 --> 01:31:47.240
I wasn't into Apple like then when he was with the company.

01:31:47.240 --> 01:31:50.840
Wozniak has a lot to do with the introduction of the personal computer.

01:31:50.840 --> 01:31:54.840
He does. Wozniak would be super cool. That would be super cool.

01:31:54.840 --> 01:31:58.000
But like there's not, man, there's not. You just got to email.

01:31:58.000 --> 01:32:01.680
Many. That's all you did for this one. And we got the collab.

01:32:01.680 --> 01:32:05.520
We've talked about this after now. It's like, dude, how many cold emails should we just start sending?

01:32:05.520 --> 01:32:08.520
Yeah. I actually. I asked him to though.

01:32:08.520 --> 01:32:13.280
I was like, I don't remember exactly what I said, but I was like, I can't, I basically

01:32:13.280 --> 01:32:16.760
told him. I was like, I can't believe it was this easy.

01:32:16.760 --> 01:32:22.720
All I, I, I spent my entire career obviously knowing who he was.

01:32:22.720 --> 01:32:26.160
How spammed he's going to get now. He brought that up.

01:32:26.160 --> 01:32:32.480
He'll just ignore it. Yeah. He was like, yeah, basically he talked about how, as far as I can tell, ignoring things

01:32:32.480 --> 01:32:35.520
is his superpower. Same as how I can't see ads.

01:32:35.520 --> 01:32:38.640
He just can't see an email he doesn't care about and he'll just.

01:32:38.640 --> 01:32:42.640
Does he archive himself or does it just auto archive past a certain period of time?

01:32:42.640 --> 01:32:45.640
He says he'll archive it. I don't know what that means. Yeah.

01:32:45.640 --> 01:32:53.240
I'm not sure what that means. I mean, all in the column archive it later. I'm sure that someone like that could come up with a script.

01:32:53.240 --> 01:32:57.120
This is archiving assistant if you really wanted to.

01:32:57.120 --> 01:33:04.280
Like the, I basically couldn't wrap my brain around the fact that, because obviously I've

01:33:04.280 --> 01:33:09.880
always been aware of the other, you know, you know, the actual tech, tech Linus, right?

01:33:09.880 --> 01:33:17.600
Yeah. And the fact that just me being too shy to ask was the only reason it took this long.

01:33:17.600 --> 01:33:20.640
That was the barrier of entry. That was the barrier.

01:33:20.640 --> 01:33:25.240
It was genuinely so much fun and so cool and like just even walking around the studio

01:33:25.240 --> 01:33:28.840
with him, kind of giving him an example of like, this is what we do because he didn't

01:33:28.840 --> 01:33:35.000
necessarily even fully grasp it until he was here. Like what a YouTube media company was like, right?

01:33:35.000 --> 01:33:38.000
It is weird. It's very, yeah. Like in the history of media.

01:33:38.000 --> 01:33:41.440
It is very strange. And as we kept walking, he was like, wow, this place just keeps going.

01:33:41.440 --> 01:33:49.120
Like that was like. It was cool that he was, he seemed, and I don't think he'd bother to pretend, but he seemed

01:33:49.120 --> 01:33:52.520
genuinely interested. Did you bring him to the lab?

01:33:52.520 --> 01:33:56.000
I didn't. We only had a limited amount of time with him. I know.

01:33:56.000 --> 01:33:59.400
I know. We only had a limited. We did invite lab people over to come meet him though.

01:33:59.400 --> 01:34:02.400
Okay. Yeah. No, I knew about that, but I was.

01:34:02.400 --> 01:34:06.000
I know. Which that will be a separate Floatplane video as well.

01:34:06.000 --> 01:34:10.360
There's kind of like a 15 minute kind of staff asked him questions.

01:34:10.360 --> 01:34:15.320
It was very, because it was after the shoot and I was just like, guys, just like, go up

01:34:15.320 --> 01:34:18.840
and say hi. Oh, dude, people were like hovering. Well, yeah.

01:34:18.840 --> 01:34:23.280
Like, I was like. Honestly, he's probably quite used to that.

01:34:23.280 --> 01:34:26.720
Yeah. He wasn't awkward though.

01:34:26.720 --> 01:34:34.360
It's funny because as part of my prep for this, I read his autobiography and I, he

01:34:34.360 --> 01:34:37.720
didn't believe me until like the fourth time I referenced it, I think.

01:34:37.720 --> 01:34:42.920
Yeah. You had asked some questions from it or some guiding questions and he was like, oh, you

01:34:42.920 --> 01:34:47.480
actually did read the book. It was quite funny.

01:34:47.480 --> 01:34:52.320
So yeah, in prepping for it. So he wrote it over 20 years ago though.

01:34:52.320 --> 01:34:56.680
And he talks a lot about like how much trouble he has with public speaking and how awkward

01:34:56.680 --> 01:35:00.360
he is or whatever. And I was like, well, either a lot has done a ton since then.

01:35:00.360 --> 01:35:05.160
A lot has changed in 20 years, or you weren't as awkward as you thought you were.

01:35:05.160 --> 01:35:11.560
Or you hide it well or whatever. Every time he opened his mouth, he was very eloquent and it was super interesting.

01:35:11.560 --> 01:35:17.920
Like he's one of those people that's just like, well, there's no way that I'm the smartest

01:35:17.920 --> 01:35:22.440
person in this room because it's that guy.

01:35:22.440 --> 01:35:30.680
And it was, it was just super cool. Everything he said just seemed so well considered, even if we were kind of trying to blindside

01:35:30.680 --> 01:35:35.680
him with something. He still took the time to process it and then like give an actually good response.

01:35:35.680 --> 01:35:42.560
And we were like, wow, okay. Like we mean, we mean them with like Xbox versus PlayStation.

01:35:42.560 --> 01:35:46.000
And he like gave us a thoughtful response and it's like, all right.

01:35:46.000 --> 01:35:53.320
Yeah. It was very great. The hardest part about this video, I think, is going to be cutting it into a video.

01:35:53.320 --> 01:35:57.040
And not because there's not enough content. There's too much.

01:35:57.040 --> 01:36:01.000
You just got to dump it on Philippine, speaking of which, question from the now working

01:36:01.000 --> 01:36:06.560
Philippine chat. Archangel of Death said, did he know about LTT before your email?

01:36:06.560 --> 01:36:14.600
So this is funny. I specifically asked him if he had seen the video that we did a number of years ago where

01:36:14.600 --> 01:36:21.280
we followed the guide from ZD net or parts list really from ZD net and we built Linus

01:36:21.280 --> 01:36:26.920
Torvalds computer. Like we built the same spec and we were like, if you build this, you'll have the same PC

01:36:26.920 --> 01:36:30.280
as Linus Torvalds. And I was like, have you seen it?

01:36:30.280 --> 01:36:34.680
He's like drew a complete blank.

01:36:34.680 --> 01:36:42.280
But the two other flipping YouTubers that I happened to mention.

01:36:42.280 --> 01:36:46.160
Okay. I mentioned Mehdi, Electro Boom.

01:36:46.160 --> 01:36:49.160
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

01:36:49.160 --> 01:36:52.160
Immediately. He's like, oh yeah, Electro Boom. Awesome.

01:36:52.160 --> 01:36:55.160
Yeah. He's local. I'm like, okay.

01:36:55.160 --> 01:36:58.160
Ego destroyed. Did you call Mehdi up? And then, I should have actually.

01:36:58.160 --> 01:37:03.960
No, I didn't. And then just because I was just kind of, I was kind of talking about how it kind of

01:37:03.960 --> 01:37:09.120
blew his mind that we were more of a physical goods company than we are a media company

01:37:09.120 --> 01:37:13.680
these days. And I was like, I was just kind of chatting with him and I kind of brought up that that's

01:37:13.680 --> 01:37:18.720
not even that unique anymore. Like this creator economy is incredibly cool.

01:37:18.720 --> 01:37:22.160
And so I pulled out, I pulled out this.

01:37:22.160 --> 01:37:26.040
This is my new box cutter from Evan and Caitlin.

01:37:26.040 --> 01:37:30.440
And they showed it to me at VidCon.

01:37:30.440 --> 01:37:33.720
And I was just like, that is too cool for you to give it to me.

01:37:33.720 --> 01:37:39.920
I will buy one. It's super expensive, but it's like extremely satisfying.

01:37:39.920 --> 01:37:43.280
You just can't handle it, can you?

01:37:43.280 --> 01:37:47.840
Up, up. There we go. So you slide it forward and then let it go.

01:37:47.840 --> 01:37:50.840
Yep. And then slide it back. Oh.

01:37:50.840 --> 01:37:53.840
To retract it. Okay. Yeah.

01:37:53.840 --> 01:37:56.840
I thought you slid it forward again to pull it back. No. Yeah.

01:37:56.840 --> 01:38:00.240
It's super cool. So I showed it to him and he's like, oh yeah, those guys, they make the, like, like.

01:38:00.240 --> 01:38:03.640
The resin pumpkin. Well, you asked him about one of our videos.

01:38:03.640 --> 01:38:08.080
Did you ask him about our channel? He then acknowledged that he had heard of those.

01:38:08.080 --> 01:38:15.960
Okay, okay. I didn't completely destroy my ego, but it's just like, I pull two sort of not random because

01:38:15.960 --> 01:38:21.160
obviously they're, they're tech adjacent and big creators, but he like immediately

01:38:21.160 --> 01:38:24.640
was like, oh yeah, those guys. It was very funny.

01:38:24.640 --> 01:38:29.080
Yeah. I have to ask you if you can say it without spoiling.

01:38:29.080 --> 01:38:38.320
What was the highlight? Like, if you can pinpoint one specific moment.

01:38:38.320 --> 01:38:46.320
It's really tough. I have one. It's so hard because there's like kind of what's a, what's a personal highlight.

01:38:46.320 --> 01:38:49.920
Like the fact that he genuinely thought what we're doing is cool.

01:38:49.920 --> 01:38:56.160
Yeah. That's pretty sweet. That was amazing because if he thinks it's cool, then it's cool.

01:38:56.160 --> 01:39:01.120
As far as I'm concerned. That's pretty huge. That's a respectable favorite point.

01:39:01.120 --> 01:39:07.520
But like, I mean, I just thought how cool he was was also cool.

01:39:07.520 --> 01:39:11.480
Like the fact that he's so, no, I'm serious. No, I hear you.

01:39:11.480 --> 01:39:16.960
Like the fact that without a moment of hesitation, you know, I was like, it's totally fine to

01:39:16.960 --> 01:39:24.960
say no, would it be okay? You have a, you have some pretty big fans here to hang around longer and just chat.

01:39:24.960 --> 01:39:31.600
And he was so generous with his time during that he didn't have to talk to anybody.

01:39:31.600 --> 01:39:36.200
He waited until like the kind of energy died down before being like, okay, I guess I can

01:39:36.200 --> 01:39:40.120
head out now. He read the room like super hard.

01:39:40.120 --> 01:39:43.840
They say never meet your heroes, right? Meet this one.

01:39:43.840 --> 01:39:47.760
But meet this one because he's so cool.

01:39:47.760 --> 01:39:56.080
And there was, I literally just from the second like he introduced himself, it was just,

01:39:56.080 --> 01:39:59.080
I don't know. It was great vibes. Yeah.

01:39:59.080 --> 01:40:04.200
Yeah. And so that was a super huge highlight.

01:40:04.200 --> 01:40:12.200
I, I mean, this will be kind of a weird one, but getting him to cringe at my dad jokes.

01:40:12.200 --> 01:40:15.800
Oh, that was so funny. Was so fun. Yeah.

01:40:15.800 --> 01:40:20.320
You cracking dad jokes and then either they're not immediately realizing it or realizing

01:40:20.320 --> 01:40:24.200
it immediately and going like actually deep sigh.

01:40:24.200 --> 01:40:27.240
He called out your segues a couple of times, which was really funny.

01:40:27.240 --> 01:40:30.840
He's like, oh, he does know the channel. Yeah. He was like, oh, that was cool.

01:40:30.840 --> 01:40:33.840
Yeah. That was cool. Yeah.

01:40:33.840 --> 01:40:38.520
Very cool. Like, is that enough? Is that enough like peak tier highlights for you?

01:40:38.520 --> 01:40:42.400
Like it goes on and on. I have one that I think was my highlight.

01:40:42.400 --> 01:40:46.760
It was after the shoot, after the meet and greet, we went and said goodbye to you.

01:40:46.760 --> 01:40:52.600
Yeah. I candidly was just like, I'd be happy to give you a ride back to your hotel, which was

01:40:52.600 --> 01:40:57.480
about a 25 minute drive from the office pretty much in completely the opposite direction

01:40:57.480 --> 01:41:02.800
of where my home was, but I got a 25 minute one on one conversation with him.

01:41:03.760 --> 01:41:07.080
And like that's something that is going to be forever ingrained.

01:41:07.080 --> 01:41:10.920
Even if I have another concussion, I can't possibly forget that because it's just so

01:41:10.920 --> 01:41:16.880
cool. And that's what I mean even to about being generous with his time because he could have

01:41:16.880 --> 01:41:20.120
just been like, you know what, I'm socialed out today.

01:41:20.120 --> 01:41:23.120
I've done it. I've done it. I've been like, you know what?

01:41:23.120 --> 01:41:27.080
It would be fair. And that would be totally fine to do that.

01:41:27.080 --> 01:41:31.840
But instead he's like, no, I'm going to hang around on set and talk to randoms that I've

01:41:31.840 --> 01:41:39.040
never met, you know, or whatever. I'm going to, I'll accept the ride because you never know when you accept a ride from

01:41:39.040 --> 01:41:42.480
someone like, you know, maybe they try and corner you with a business pitch or something

01:41:42.480 --> 01:41:45.480
like that. Oh, totally. Yeah.

01:41:45.480 --> 01:41:50.280
It happens. It happens. And I could see having your guard up about something like that.

01:41:50.280 --> 01:41:55.960
But whether it's just not giving in Fox or whether it's like just being at a point in

01:41:55.960 --> 01:42:03.720
your career where you're just, he was very open to new experiences, which was, yeah,

01:42:03.720 --> 01:42:08.200
try anything once. He said that a lot of times.

01:42:08.200 --> 01:42:14.120
And as far as I can tell, the try anything once is basically the reason he did it.

01:42:14.120 --> 01:42:18.720
He's like, I've never, I've never done a YouTube video before.

01:42:18.720 --> 01:42:24.080
I've never seen this before and he talked about how being the Linux guy has unlocked

01:42:24.120 --> 01:42:29.080
experiences for him. He talked about going to a pre-Oscar party.

01:42:29.080 --> 01:42:34.840
He talked about like riding on a fighter jet and just like, I kept kind of ribbing

01:42:34.840 --> 01:42:37.840
him. I was like, right. So that's what you're comparing.

01:42:37.840 --> 01:42:44.200
Yeah. That's what you're comparing to this, right? Like we're up, we're being in a YouTube video, right?

01:42:44.200 --> 01:42:53.760
And I don't know, dude, it's just I was more tired after the end of that day than I have

01:42:53.760 --> 01:43:03.280
been after work in a long time. Not because I was like down about anything we were doing, but just because being that

01:43:03.280 --> 01:43:09.400
excited and having that much fun for an entire day is honestly pretty tiring.

01:43:09.400 --> 01:43:14.760
Yeah. I slept for about four minutes before that like night because I was so nervous.

01:43:14.760 --> 01:43:19.940
I was in and out of like a dream of like replaying the shoot in my head over and over, like wanting

01:43:19.940 --> 01:43:23.940
to make sure everything was going right because obviously I have my name tied to it.

01:43:23.940 --> 01:43:27.340
So I'm like, if this is bad, I'm bad.

01:43:27.340 --> 01:43:33.140
So when I got home, I also just, I was done.

01:43:33.140 --> 01:43:38.340
It's over. I have to post the other Valve video. If you got home from dropping offline is Torvald.

01:43:38.340 --> 01:43:42.860
Yeah. Oh, I have no idea how I'm ever going to peak that.

01:43:42.860 --> 01:43:46.380
Like maybe I can give Obama or like someone else a ride. I wouldn't peak it.

01:43:46.380 --> 01:43:53.620
I know. He flashes his phone to me and he's like, how many people have this, this profile picture

01:43:53.620 --> 01:43:58.820
in their recent message history? There's quite a common podcast flex question of like, who's the most famous person in your

01:43:58.820 --> 01:44:04.020
phone? I now have the most famous person in my opinion.

01:44:04.020 --> 01:44:07.020
In my phone. That's fantastic. That's really cool.

01:44:07.020 --> 01:44:10.140
I'm never, ever going to text it because I'm like way too like, never going to cross

01:44:10.140 --> 01:44:13.140
that line. But you got to like frame it. Oh, dude.

01:44:13.140 --> 01:44:18.140
It's so cool. I should have texted you right beside him so I could get a screenshot.

01:44:18.140 --> 01:44:23.020
Even if someone else that someone had in their phone was more famous, I think that, I think

01:44:23.020 --> 01:44:30.100
consequential is the word that I would sort of apply most to Linus Torvalds.

01:44:30.100 --> 01:44:35.220
Because I mean, he'll be the first to tell you that the Linux kernel these days is like

01:44:35.220 --> 01:44:38.620
a fraction of a percent code that he actually wrote.

01:44:38.620 --> 01:44:46.340
He's mostly the guy that makes sure that everyone else's contributions are meaningful

01:44:46.340 --> 01:44:52.180
and are correct and are moving Linux in the right direction, moving the kernel in the

01:44:52.180 --> 01:44:58.420
right direction. Because he's the kernel guy. He's like, yeah, at some point I had to.

01:44:58.420 --> 01:45:05.580
Which is almost certainly an extremely good thing because as with us all unfortunately

01:45:05.580 --> 01:45:13.460
somehow he's still mortal. So he's going to pass at some point and we're going to need a good example of the types

01:45:13.460 --> 01:45:17.220
of things that he would want to happen.

01:45:17.220 --> 01:45:20.220
But consequential. Absolutely.

01:45:20.220 --> 01:45:28.020
I mean, think of a celebrity, Dwayne The Rock Johnson, probably more famous than Linus

01:45:28.020 --> 01:45:31.020
Torvalds. Oh, yeah. More consequential?

01:45:31.020 --> 01:45:34.020
No. Yeah. Yeah.

01:45:34.020 --> 01:45:39.060
I mean, it's like actually funny. Like I can smell what he's cooking, but it ain't as important as Linux.

01:45:39.060 --> 01:45:42.060
It's very, very cool.

01:45:42.060 --> 01:45:46.100
Yeah. I mean, no one watching this is going to have a problem with that.

01:45:46.100 --> 01:45:52.060
But I was going to say like if you had a problem with that, like please look up the amount of things around the world that move because of Linux.

01:45:52.060 --> 01:45:57.860
Yeah. Oh dude. The phone, the Android phone in your pocket.

01:45:57.860 --> 01:46:00.860
Your Mac. Prime example. Mac, less so.

01:46:00.860 --> 01:46:05.300
Sort of. Less so though. Heavily inspired by.

01:46:05.620 --> 01:46:10.820
You're talking about consequence. Yes. Absolutely underpins Android, like heavily.

01:46:10.820 --> 01:46:17.180
For sure. But you're talking about consequence. Would it exist in the form it is now without it?

01:46:17.180 --> 01:46:21.140
Because consequence can be indirect and direct. Okay.

01:46:21.140 --> 01:46:25.380
Okay. Equival, equivocal says no mention of Git either.

01:46:25.380 --> 01:46:31.340
We did actually talk about Git. We asked him which was his, his favorite child, that one I'm not going to spoil.

01:46:31.380 --> 01:46:37.140
So make sure you guys watch this video because building the computer, that's the title of

01:46:37.140 --> 01:46:41.420
the video, but it is the least important part of the video.

01:46:41.420 --> 01:46:46.700
And whether it ends up being a 25 minute long video or whether it ends up being an hour

01:46:46.700 --> 01:46:53.260
and a half video, we don't know yet. Whatever doesn't make it into the YouTube cut is going to end up on Floatplane.

01:46:53.260 --> 01:46:59.940
But right now, Elijah and I are leaning towards a super long YouTube cut with there will still

01:46:59.940 --> 01:47:05.020
be some stuff that's just not going to make the YouTube cut. So that'll be over on Floatplane.

01:47:05.020 --> 01:47:10.620
But we're leaning towards just a long ass video because it was awesome.

01:47:10.620 --> 01:47:14.820
And it's interesting to try to, to see if there's an appetite for like, you know, these

01:47:14.820 --> 01:47:21.420
kind of long or unfiltered podcast, the almost style videos of just having a genuine conversation.

01:47:21.420 --> 01:47:25.980
I don't know if it's going to prove a point though, because like, yeah, what does that

01:47:25.980 --> 01:47:34.700
tell us? If we have literally one of the most consequential great point contributors to the tech world,

01:47:34.700 --> 01:47:37.940
could we do an hour and a half long interview with them? Okay.

01:47:37.940 --> 01:47:40.940
Yeah. Find me another one. All right.

01:47:40.940 --> 01:47:43.940
I'll go get Bill Gates. No, I told you. I know.

01:47:43.940 --> 01:47:46.940
That's the thing. Right? Like, yeah.

01:47:46.940 --> 01:47:49.940
Okay. I told you. Gabe in.

01:47:49.940 --> 01:47:52.940
Okay. Was. And was.

01:47:52.940 --> 01:47:55.940
I'll send him an email. There's some other ones for sure. We could do a show from his yacht.

01:47:55.980 --> 01:48:01.900
Right? Oh, yeah. Apparently, Gabe and took delivery of his new $500 million yacht today.

01:48:01.900 --> 01:48:04.900
Yep. You guys see that? Yeah.

01:48:04.900 --> 01:48:11.860
It has a live in nurse. I guess at his age, that kind of makes sense. And also, it's not just for leisure, it's for like scientific exploration too.

01:48:11.860 --> 01:48:16.900
It has a diving thing and a submarine to do marine life science.

01:48:16.900 --> 01:48:21.140
So having, I mean, Steve Irwin wouldn't have minded if he'd been working off of a yacht

01:48:21.140 --> 01:48:25.780
that had onboard medical staff, but it's not a joke.

01:48:26.620 --> 01:48:29.620
Yep. Why is everything a joke with your generation? That one's rough.

01:48:29.620 --> 01:48:32.620
Whoa, whoa. That one's rough. Please don't.

01:48:32.620 --> 01:48:37.980
Okay. Well. I don't know if that one will ever not be too soon.

01:48:37.980 --> 01:48:40.980
Steve Irwin? Oh. He was taken too soon.

01:48:40.980 --> 01:48:45.100
That's the thing. That's the thing. It's not that whether the joke is too soon or not too soon, it's that he was taken too

01:48:45.100 --> 01:48:48.100
soon. Yeah. So it's always too soon.

01:48:48.100 --> 01:48:54.980
Forever. But I'm sure he wouldn't have minded if there was a medical professional closer.

01:48:54.980 --> 01:48:59.420
So I can see why Gabe N would have done that. It apparently has 15 gaming PCs, which is a weird number.

01:48:59.420 --> 01:49:03.180
It was a little odd. I noticed that too. 15?

01:49:03.180 --> 01:49:07.940
That's got to be a typo. There's no way it's not eight or 16. Three teams of five.

01:49:07.940 --> 01:49:12.700
One at the head of the table. So what we're playing nights, Vikings, Pirates, like what are we even talking about here?

01:49:12.700 --> 01:49:15.700
What are you even talking about? I don't even think that supports teams of five.

01:49:15.700 --> 01:49:18.700
Yeah. I got nothing. Yeah.

01:49:18.700 --> 01:49:21.700
Give me a 5v5 game. A bunch of people are speculating 14 crew members.

01:49:21.700 --> 01:49:27.980
That would be kind of interesting. Could you imagine just Gabe playing with his 14, he's like, all right, guys, you're off

01:49:27.980 --> 01:49:32.100
shift. We're all going to boot up some. Honestly, if you live there completely, I wouldn't be too surprised.

01:49:32.100 --> 01:49:37.660
It's pretty cool. Yeah. Now he's talked about how he plays like Dota and just gets trolled by people and stuff.

01:49:37.660 --> 01:49:41.100
People tell him to uninstall the game stuff.

01:49:41.100 --> 01:49:47.660
That's crazy. Amazing. Only lost because my Starlink latency was too bad.

01:49:47.660 --> 01:49:51.540
Going back to the Linus Torvold thing, I want to make sure that people know that we had

01:49:51.540 --> 01:49:58.900
a Reddit thread where we asked you guys for your questions. We did go through about 10 to 15 ish of them.

01:49:58.900 --> 01:50:02.500
Again, don't know if all of them will make it, but some were really interesting.

01:50:02.500 --> 01:50:05.500
Cool. Some were not. Yeah.

01:50:05.500 --> 01:50:08.860
Some after like you should just go read his autobiography and then you'll know the answer to a lot of the questions you guys asked.

01:50:08.860 --> 01:50:16.380
I'm really glad I read it. We changed the questions about an hour before he showed up because it was like, oh yeah,

01:50:16.380 --> 01:50:20.500
this would have been really stupid to ask, even though it's weird because people might

01:50:20.540 --> 01:50:26.780
not have read the autobiography. For them, it's really interesting to just have this question, but it's also really obvious.

01:50:26.780 --> 01:50:31.660
I wanted our contribution to the two ...

01:50:31.660 --> 01:50:34.660
Totally. That was the right way to go. Yeah.

01:50:34.660 --> 01:50:39.820
I wanted us to be bringing something new to the table. Even if you're a Die Hard Linus Torvolds fan, you watch every interview you can find

01:50:39.820 --> 01:50:46.100
of him, I want you to find something new in ours. He's not just a man to be milked for content.

01:50:46.100 --> 01:50:49.060
You want it to be decently more interesting for him as well.

01:50:49.100 --> 01:50:52.380
He's just rehashing things that he wrote down in his autobiography.

01:50:52.380 --> 01:50:57.220
It's like, I don't know. I wanted him to enjoy the experience.

01:50:57.220 --> 01:51:01.540
Exactly. He said it was fine.

01:51:01.540 --> 01:51:07.220
Which means we might get him back up here.

01:51:07.220 --> 01:51:11.460
The fact that he came to us still blows my mind.

01:51:11.460 --> 01:51:15.620
It was so funny that conversation because he's like, well, it makes so much more sense.

01:51:15.620 --> 01:51:19.380
It'd be more effort for me to clean up my place and get you guys down here.

01:51:19.380 --> 01:51:23.180
It'd be so much work for you guys to bring all your equipment. I want to ...

01:51:23.180 --> 01:51:31.220
I'm just like, dude, your time and my time are not of equal worth.

01:51:31.220 --> 01:51:39.860
If it takes you an hour, then I should be spending hours before we draw a parallel and

01:51:39.860 --> 01:51:49.820
decide what makes sense. I think with his do everything once thing though, it was probably cool to see the operation.

01:51:49.820 --> 01:51:54.100
Yeah, I guess. Maybe next time you'll have to go to him.

01:51:54.100 --> 01:51:58.180
Me standing in a room with him, I have a hard time thinking there's anything cool for him

01:51:58.180 --> 01:52:03.940
to experience. We're pretty cool.

01:52:03.940 --> 01:52:07.180
It's all relative.

01:52:07.180 --> 01:52:10.820
We're not a fighter jet. No.

01:52:10.820 --> 01:52:13.820
We are not a fighter jet.

01:52:13.820 --> 01:52:17.500
Gamer fighter jet? Stop. Let's go.

01:52:17.500 --> 01:52:22.700
Flight sim in a flight? The person in the back, if they're not actively shooting missiles, could play like Stardew

01:52:22.700 --> 01:52:31.260
Valley. Wow. The opposite ends of the spectrum of what you're doing, dogfight to Stardew Valley.

01:52:31.260 --> 01:52:34.860
This is going to be a bit of a niche reference, but play Spec Ops the line in the back of

01:52:34.860 --> 01:52:41.060
a fighter jet would be ... No one's going to get that. The four people that get it, it'll smash with ...

01:52:41.060 --> 01:52:47.060
Amazing. Amazing. Yeah, I think that is ...

01:52:47.060 --> 01:52:51.740
A few people got it, nice.

01:52:51.740 --> 01:52:57.900
There's definitely been points in my career that were more consequential, ego-wise, like

01:52:57.900 --> 01:53:02.900
the first time we did a million views in less than 24 hours on a video.

01:53:02.900 --> 01:53:06.060
I'll remember that forever. It was seven gamers, one CPU.

01:53:06.100 --> 01:53:11.900
I'll remember staring at this view graph going, this is unbelievable.

01:53:11.900 --> 01:53:15.540
This is the closest thing to a viral video we've ever done. It's always been slow and steady.

01:53:15.540 --> 01:53:19.020
This is it. This is breakthrough moment. I'll remember stuff like that.

01:53:19.020 --> 01:53:26.860
I'll remember pacing the family room of the old house, talking to Steve on the phone and

01:53:26.860 --> 01:53:35.420
finding out we're going to get the channel. There's moments like that in my career that are core memories.

01:53:35.420 --> 01:53:43.780
But in terms of importance of a video we've made, I don't know if it's that important.

01:53:43.780 --> 01:53:47.100
Like highlight? Yeah, highlight reel, career highlight reel.

01:53:47.100 --> 01:53:50.500
This is very high.

01:53:50.500 --> 01:53:54.820
I'm afraid to call it number one because maybe there's ... But then if something's number

01:53:54.820 --> 01:53:58.940
one, I shouldn't forget it. Yeah. And it's possible that something could take it.

01:53:58.940 --> 01:54:01.980
I think that's okay to look at it from that perspective.

01:54:01.980 --> 01:54:07.220
When I'm talking career, obviously there's personal life highlights that are bigger than

01:54:07.220 --> 01:54:10.220
meeting Linus Torvill. What? My wife ranks above Linus Torvill.

01:54:10.220 --> 01:54:13.220
Debatable. You don't have kids. It's debatable.

01:54:13.220 --> 01:54:16.220
Not debatable. What are you talking about? Not debatable.

01:54:16.220 --> 01:54:21.620
You know, birth of my children, wedding day, these are ...

01:54:21.620 --> 01:54:24.780
Those are maybe close second and third, you know? Yeah.

01:54:24.780 --> 01:54:28.780
Fourth. I know I told my wife, I was like, sorry, honey.

01:54:28.780 --> 01:54:35.580
Then she was like, yeah, you can sleep on the couch and I was like, understand.

01:54:35.580 --> 01:54:40.180
Yeah. Fair enough. Sorry, but I just drove Linus Torvill home, so ...

01:54:40.180 --> 01:54:44.580
I'm taking my Linus body pillow to the couch now.

01:54:44.580 --> 01:54:48.540
Cool. Yeah. Anything else to ... Oh, right.

01:54:48.540 --> 01:54:52.380
There's something that we wanted to present to Luke, so he couldn't be here.

01:54:52.380 --> 01:54:56.460
Unfortunately. You were going to elaborate on this.

01:54:56.460 --> 01:54:59.660
Yeah. Why was that? Planner of this video.

01:54:59.660 --> 01:55:04.700
Sorry, what? Nowhere of things I might be interested in, but why ... I think there's ...

01:55:04.700 --> 01:55:09.780
I texted you the Friday before the shoot, I think, or the Thursday before the shoot.

01:55:09.780 --> 01:55:14.100
Right. That was when he told me the date of the shoot, so I had just the weekend too, because I'd

01:55:14.100 --> 01:55:18.300
been putting it off to read the autobiography, which I got signed by the way.

01:55:18.300 --> 01:55:22.900
And the shoot was on Wednesday. I told you, I said, hey, I've done script review.

01:55:22.900 --> 01:55:27.380
That means this is like 100% locked in now, even though it was already potentially locked

01:55:27.380 --> 01:55:31.060
in before. I said, hey, it's going to be on Wednesday, just so you know.

01:55:31.060 --> 01:55:36.420
You just responded with a sad face, and then a very angry word that I won't repeat, because

01:55:36.420 --> 01:55:39.940
I don't have a flee button. Here, we can try and time it.

01:55:39.940 --> 01:55:42.940
All right, three, two, fuck. I don't know if we got it. That was late for sure.

01:55:42.940 --> 01:55:52.060
That was for sure. I'm so sorry. And then he just said, I won't be there, and then another sad face.

01:55:52.060 --> 01:55:55.780
And I was like, oh, I'm sorry, buddy.

01:55:55.780 --> 01:56:00.780
Today we were talking, and I was like, well, technically his flight and everything was

01:56:00.780 --> 01:56:07.220
booked like three or four weeks ago. Which if the flight is booked, you could be pretty sure about when the shoot would be.

01:56:07.220 --> 01:56:14.140
To be fair, we weren't because of current, at the time, how some airports were struggling

01:56:14.140 --> 01:56:23.140
with delays. It was a case of we don't actually know, but I probably could have tried to give you

01:56:23.140 --> 01:56:29.740
a heads up. Because right about that time is when I locked in the flights for the other thing.

01:56:29.740 --> 01:56:33.420
So if I knew, I could have. No, if you were already locking it in, then.

01:56:33.420 --> 01:56:38.020
No, I could have just not, though, at that time, if I knew there was an extremely major

01:56:38.020 --> 01:56:41.020
conflict. Sorry. I don't know.

01:56:41.020 --> 01:56:44.260
Blame Vance. He actually booked the flights. Oh, wow.

01:56:44.260 --> 01:56:47.860
You did not just throw Vance under the bus. Well, that's his job.

01:56:47.860 --> 01:56:50.860
I can't believe it. The executive assistant. I'm sorry.

01:56:50.860 --> 01:56:53.860
Vance, you're very... Wow. Vance, you're very important.

01:56:53.860 --> 01:56:56.860
That's crazy. Assisting ruining your birthday. That's crazy.

01:56:56.860 --> 01:57:07.860
He's just not going to book any of my meetings with you now, and I'm just...

01:57:07.860 --> 01:57:12.700
I mean, that could happen. He has that power. I'm just going to walk into your office.

01:57:12.700 --> 01:57:15.900
He can throw you out. He has that power, too.

01:57:15.900 --> 01:57:19.380
Good luck trying. I'm pretty heavy. I'm sorry.

01:57:19.380 --> 01:57:21.380
Oh, wow. No comment.

01:57:22.380 --> 01:57:26.100
Thanks, man. I have never... Vance would call you that.

01:57:26.100 --> 01:57:29.100
Don't... You can't... You can't say this.

01:57:29.100 --> 01:57:35.260
Let the record show... Let the record show that I have never explicitly commented.

01:57:35.260 --> 01:57:38.260
So instead... It's on video. Instead of...

01:57:38.260 --> 01:57:41.660
What's on video? You commenting on my size.

01:57:41.660 --> 01:57:44.660
All... Wrong platform. Height.

01:57:44.660 --> 01:57:50.020
It was the height that I was concerned about. No, but it was definitely not.

01:57:50.020 --> 01:57:53.700
You looked at a go-kart and you said, hey, do you fit?

01:57:53.700 --> 01:58:02.220
Right. Because... Because it was made by a Chinese company that, while they did design it for adults,

01:58:02.220 --> 01:58:08.060
they had designed it for... Is this the one I've sat in? They designed it for adults of a shorter...

01:58:08.060 --> 01:58:11.100
A shorter... My bones do not fit inside of it.

01:58:11.100 --> 01:58:18.100
Altitudinal stature. You have also said on video, dang, I know you're not playing any connect games.

01:58:19.060 --> 01:58:24.460
Because you are quite young. Implying because it wasn't hooked up.

01:58:24.460 --> 01:58:27.460
No. Oh man. Because...

01:58:27.460 --> 01:58:31.340
The Wii U just says oof.

01:58:31.340 --> 01:58:34.940
Because you're quite young, you might not have as much nostalgia for it.

01:58:34.940 --> 01:58:39.620
I also want you to cut some jokes from videos because I know if they ever get the platform,

01:58:39.620 --> 01:58:43.620
it would be over. Oh man.

01:58:43.620 --> 01:58:47.620
Anyways, we got your flip-lane sign signed. Yeah, so, consolation prize.

01:58:48.340 --> 01:58:51.340
Luke asked us to get his float-plane sign signed.

01:58:51.340 --> 01:58:54.340
Is that plugged in? No. Oh, well, we should plug it in.

01:58:54.340 --> 01:58:57.340
I mean, it has a... I mean, it has a... It's proprietary.

01:58:57.340 --> 01:59:00.340
I'm assuming they left it at my desk. Oh, yeah. Okay, that makes sense.

01:59:00.340 --> 01:59:03.340
So, Luke has a little light-up float-plane sign and it is now officially signed...

01:59:03.340 --> 01:59:09.140
It's made by the same person. It's exactly the same as the signs that they have at NASA, Mission Control.

01:59:09.140 --> 01:59:12.140
It's made by the same person with the same materials. That's so cool.

01:59:12.140 --> 01:59:16.140
It's a very cool artifact. And it is now signed by not only...

01:59:16.900 --> 01:59:20.500
Linus Torvalds, but also... For some reason.

01:59:20.500 --> 01:59:23.500
For some reason. For some reason. Linus is fast.

01:59:23.500 --> 01:59:26.500
That's okay, Luke. We can remove that. You have to see if I can wash it off.

01:59:26.500 --> 01:59:29.780
We can remove that. I think he's always just been too shy to ask, so...

01:59:29.780 --> 01:59:33.780
I have been waiting 15 years... Do you not sign his checks?

01:59:33.780 --> 01:59:36.780
No. No. Easy.

01:59:36.780 --> 01:59:39.900
There has been no way for me to get his signature until now. So when...

01:59:39.900 --> 01:59:44.260
So when Linus signed it, I was like, you know what?

01:59:44.260 --> 01:59:47.860
I'll sign it to you. It was so awkward and weird.

01:59:47.860 --> 01:59:52.340
Of course it was. To be fair, when I saw you doing this, I was like, should I stop him?

01:59:52.340 --> 01:59:59.460
Because I was like... And then didn't. So it didn't let me know on time so I could make travel arrangements to actually be here

01:59:59.460 --> 02:00:03.700
and then doesn't stop the wrong Linus from signing the sign.

02:00:03.700 --> 02:00:08.300
I didn't want to make a scene. I was like, we can remove it.

02:00:08.300 --> 02:00:13.540
Paint over it. You're that guy with the trolley problem that just doesn't pull the lever to make the obviously

02:00:13.540 --> 02:00:16.540
better thing happen? No. I make sure I split the rail.

02:00:16.540 --> 02:00:23.340
Multi-track drifting. Yeah. This is going to kill one person or seven million.

02:00:23.340 --> 02:00:29.940
So instead of being here for the coolest shoot we've ever done to meet Linus Torvalds, I

02:00:29.940 --> 02:00:34.660
was... You have my autograph. I have Linus's autograph on my thing.

02:00:34.660 --> 02:00:37.820
I was getting trolled by Nick Harris from the lab the entire time.

02:00:37.820 --> 02:00:43.100
He told the Qualcomm people it was my birthday and at dinner they sang Happy Birthday to

02:00:43.100 --> 02:00:47.100
me. You just want to die.

02:00:47.100 --> 02:00:57.300
You want to know something crazy? I have made it 39 years of my life never being sung to in a restaurant.

02:00:57.300 --> 02:01:01.220
That was a stupid thing to say. We got to change that. No, I will walk out.

02:01:01.220 --> 02:01:05.620
We'll follow you. I will. We can definitely hold him in place.

02:01:05.620 --> 02:01:08.620
Oh yeah, both of us. Easily.

02:01:08.620 --> 02:01:12.620
Especially how he comments on my stuff. So we can hold him in place. You're going to remember this anyway.

02:01:12.620 --> 02:01:17.140
Dude. There's only $10,000.

02:01:17.140 --> 02:01:21.860
We're not you. We remember things. If you see him in public on his birthday.

02:01:21.860 --> 02:01:25.780
I have to get you back for the sign. No. Yeah.

02:01:25.780 --> 02:01:28.780
That's funny. No. I signed his car.

02:01:28.780 --> 02:01:32.580
It should be very funny. It's the same level of funny. Sorry, Nick Harris is trolling you.

02:01:32.580 --> 02:01:39.540
Okay, yeah. So it's a very long work day. Nick Harris is trolling me the whole time as per usual, but he just keeps threatening

02:01:39.580 --> 02:01:43.580
that he's going to tell them. But it's obviously like a you wouldn't do that.

02:01:43.580 --> 02:01:46.580
And then he actually did it.

02:01:46.580 --> 02:01:51.380
So at the end of the night, two Qualcomm people, very nice people come up and walk up

02:01:51.380 --> 02:01:56.340
just to my side and are just like staring at me for a second. And I'm thoroughly confused.

02:01:56.340 --> 02:02:00.220
I'm like, like, can I help you? We're out at dinner.

02:02:00.220 --> 02:02:05.860
And then I hear the like and I look to my right and there's sparklers and it's just

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the worst.

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Okay, so that was also like day started at eight in the morning.

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We're going actually, no, my day started.

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No, they started about eight in the morning.

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Working, working, working. We get on to the bus while we're moving.

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I'm taking a call. We go do stuff while we're on the bus.

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Again, I'm taking another call for most of the dinner. I have an air pod in because I'm in a call the whole time.

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Like this is a very heavy work day. And then right when I get off the call, it's happy birthday singing the whole

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time I'm getting messaged about how cool the line is. Torvald shoot that I can't be at is well, I get back to hotel crash because I'm

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super tired, get a call at like four in the morning that the forum is down.

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So I can't even sleep. It was like worst birthday ever potentially, which, you know, all things considered.

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Not that it could have been. Yeah, it could have been worse. Could have been worse.

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That is probably my worst birthday. Yeah, you could have. We could have had both Linus Torvald's and Gabe in here at the studio at the same

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time, you could have missed that. That would have been worse.

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I'm going to plan the game and shoot when you're gone. I will.

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No, do it. Do it with just Luke. Yeah.

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With Linus gone. Yeah, I think I would lose my job.

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Worth it. Worth it. His body language since Dan said that is amazing.

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Sometimes I clip, please. I should.

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The light coming off of Linus was so strong.

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I would lose my job. Not acceptable. Not acceptable.

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That was amazing. We flew to Gabe's yacht for a Floatplane exclusive.

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Sammy Elijah Luke.

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We were Linus's like boats. You might be on a boat, but then still dangerous waters boys.

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Didn't Luke miss the last guess? Yeah, he missed all of them. As far as I can tell Linus purposely plans them.

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Dude, I had nothing to do with the dates. Apparently it's Vance.

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I found out. How did you hurt him? So what I've learned today is that Vance hates me.

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No, yeah, I agree. Well, it's official. I'm posting in general about it.

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Pings the whole company. Vance hates Luke. Yeah, Zastaba in Twitch chat.

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Linus doesn't pull rank off him, but when he does, it's to not miss a Gabe and

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meet and greet. You better believe it. What do you mean not often?

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I don't think I pull rank that much. Just trying to start.

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I would over this, though. Oh, yeah, I hundred percent.

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I'd be like, no, unacceptable.

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It'd be really funny though. No, I'm debating if it's worth losing the job.

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But you've got to be kidding me right now and try to send it to Dan.

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But Nick got the frame that I turned from the people singing to him.

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He has the frame of the video. The look of betrayal.

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Top ten anime betrayals right because it's a weird moment because I don't want

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to like obviously I don't want this to happen, but I also don't want to like.

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Be a jerk to these people that I just met there. I sent it to you, Dan.

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Do you want that on screen? Sure, yeah.

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So I'm trying to like sorry spoilers. Yeah, are you ready?

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Yeah, sure.

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So I'm trying to like smile and be happy because I don't want to be a big jerk.

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But then I'm also like, what the hell, Nick?

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Oh, no. Oh, no.

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That's way too funny. I'm kind of crying a little bit.

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Oh, man. Oh, no.

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So I just got trolled by like the whole world.

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I'm sorry. I really did wish you could be there.

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I really wanted to bail, but like it's it's the Friday or Thursday or whatever

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before this thing that's been planned for like a month. It's our first like thing of this style with them and yada, yada, yada.

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So it's like Luke's schmoozing and and and for for our Labs team to get us,

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you know, connected with all the right technical people to make sure

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that we can invest in it was a great trip stuff. And oh, yeah, no, for sure.

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It was actually legitimately a great trip. So.

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So it's like what I have rather been here to hang over like, you know,

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yeah, 20 minute drive with him was pretty great trip.

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Alrighty. Yeah, even I'm a little jealous. That might have been that was that's very cool.

02:06:53.740 --> 02:06:57.740
To me, that is like actually what top one or two moments in my life.

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Yeah, obviously, I was joking. That's extremely cool. Yeah, yeah, like that's like I didn't even I didn't even have one on there.

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Good job. Good job. I didn't even have one on one time with them.

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Like we went for coffee. I had a cookie. There's also something about car drives.

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I don't know what it is. We talked about like YouTube and like how the creator economy works a little bit.

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He talked about like working with his team and what that's like. Yeah, that's probably fascinating.

02:07:24.100 --> 02:07:26.860
He honestly asked like more questions than I got to ask back.

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I felt was like, man, this man's asking me about YouTube. I was like, again, I think this is part of the try everything once thing.

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And that's very cool to be the potential facilitator of that.

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That's still extremely cool. Yeah, one thing we talked about was the recent ad block change

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that ended up impacting views and how that impact the creator economy

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from a sponsorship side or how that impact just channel momentum.

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And it was it seemed very interested in like, oh, that's a change

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that I could see how ad blockers are just like to. But like it really impacted millions of people and I think to a certain degree

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it's still happening and that's a whole other thing.

02:08:05.260 --> 02:08:07.260
Yeah, very cool.

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All right. I don't want to overstay my welcome. Thank you for letting me hang out.

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So thanks for nothing. Yeah, I do my best.

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All right. See you later, everyone. Have a good weekend. I do my best.

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Have a good I got it. I can take it. Yeah, you're getting no fist bump from him.

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Not after what happened. Yeah, it was still it was resentful.

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I could tell. I could tell. There's not a lot of room back here.

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By the way, that LTX 19 shirt, though. Yeah, damn, it's been a little worse for wear.

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But for some reason, it's one of my favorite shirts. All right.

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We have a couple of Floatplane things that we're supposed to do.

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I owe Sammy a shout out for Floatplane.

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But we finally filmed it special behind the scenes.

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OK, so here, hold on. I'm supposed to click these things.

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Oh, OK. So here's a behind the scenes of the intro. Am I supposed to play the whole thing?

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Are these those like wooden ones that we've had forever? No, they got sharp ones for reasons that escape me.

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They're actually sharp? Yeah. What? I don't know what we were thinking.

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Is this the total? Is this the timestamp I'm supposed to go from? Let me just check what does Sammy want?

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I don't know. OK. There's an. Oh, this is an unlisted short clip to watch on when.

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Can we get an audio again? Yeah. Yeah.

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This is great. I love that he's got a sword out and has his glasses right here.

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The guy's so genuine, man. Ready?

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One second. The flourish, dude.

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This is awesome. There could be only one.

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That was actually pretty good.

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Oh, I'm so pissed, dude. Oh, my God.

02:10:07.380 --> 02:10:11.620
So the way it's. Oh, he's salty. The way it's going to cut together

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is I'm going to start the video like a perfectly normal video.

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OK. Sure, Dan did that. I'm going to start the video like a perfectly normal video.

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You guys may remember the time that we built Linus Torvald's computer.

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Well, guess what? We're going to do it today with the man himself.

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And then it cuts to him like the doors like open

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and will have like the highlander style, like the electricity and get some rock music or whatever.

02:10:38.860 --> 02:10:45.940
And he comes in and he does the flourish. There can be only one. We'll get the like and then it's going to cut to me.

02:10:45.940 --> 02:10:49.140
And I'm going to be like and then it's going to go in.

02:10:49.140 --> 02:10:53.900
And it's like and then it's going to go to the wide. And I'm going to have my sword out just like randomly.

02:10:53.900 --> 02:10:57.540
It'll be like and then we'll cut to a shot where we're both

02:10:57.540 --> 02:11:02.620
like right close to each other, the one that you guys saw. Right. Kind of like the last thing where we're like we're

02:11:02.620 --> 02:11:06.900
like eye contact and it'll be like and then it'll cut to Elijah

02:11:06.900 --> 02:11:10.900
just sitting on his chair being like or you could just build the PC together.

02:11:10.940 --> 02:11:14.220
And we're like, Oh, yeah, yeah, that could work.

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It's going to be fun. It's going to be great. I am I'm so excited for you guys to see this video.

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And that gives you some idea of what a good sport he was.

02:11:25.900 --> 02:11:27.780
Yeah. About the whole thing. Yeah.

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Public clip of Luke getting his Floatplane signed signed

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for his birthday. Oh, OK.

02:11:36.900 --> 02:11:40.900
Screenshotting my DMS. Oh, it's at the end.

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Someone on this account already watched it. Oh, that's hilarious. OK, hold on.

02:11:44.380 --> 02:11:48.380
Oh, so this is like one second going to get it. OK, this is great.

02:11:48.380 --> 02:11:54.380
This is great. So the plane is our is our video platform and Luke.

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Dude, I was so nervous. Like anyway, so I feel bad because my signature is the

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obvious thing ever.

02:12:05.460 --> 02:12:10.620
Anyway, you guys will have to subscribe to Floatplane. You can get the whole thing, but I can show you the part

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where I sign it. Hold on. Is that in here? Let's see.

02:12:13.820 --> 02:12:17.340
Sure, but I'm going to sign it too. That's wild.

02:12:17.340 --> 02:12:20.340
Ask him to guess which one is which.

02:12:20.340 --> 02:12:21.340
Yeah, I mean.

02:12:27.340 --> 02:12:31.340
Hey, I mean, it's the start of a thing. You could collect all the tech linuses.

02:12:31.340 --> 02:12:34.340
Yeah, I think I already did. Yeah, nice.

02:12:34.340 --> 02:12:38.340
Good job. You like one hundred percenting things.

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You can check out the full videos at LMG.GG.

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There's going to be another video where staff ask him

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questions after the shoot. That'll be coming on Monday and there will probably be more.

02:12:52.340 --> 02:12:55.340
Also, if you are subscribed to Floatplane, it ensures you

02:12:55.340 --> 02:12:58.340
won't miss any of our Black Friday, Cyber Monday deals

02:12:58.340 --> 02:13:01.340
because they are coming early for subscribers.

02:13:02.340 --> 02:13:03.340
Okay.

02:13:05.340 --> 02:13:08.340
Yeah, cool. I think that's it. Should we?

02:13:08.340 --> 02:13:11.340
Oh my God. How long have we been live? Two hours.

02:13:13.340 --> 02:13:16.340
We've only done two topics. Nice.

02:13:16.340 --> 02:13:19.340
Yeah, I think it's merge messages time.

02:13:19.340 --> 02:13:21.340
We're just about in one after dark.

02:13:23.340 --> 02:13:26.340
No, we have a lot of topics left though. I know.

02:13:26.340 --> 02:13:31.340
Oh my God. There's so many topics. Let's do maybe some CW stuff.

02:13:31.340 --> 02:13:34.340
Merch massages. Let's not bother with the merge messages.

02:13:36.340 --> 02:13:40.340
No, we have product launches and it is November.

02:13:40.340 --> 02:13:45.340
We had a pretty slow September, October because that is not

02:13:45.340 --> 02:13:48.340
the holiday shopping season and now it is the holiday

02:13:48.340 --> 02:13:55.340
shopping season. We've got some announcements. If you guys missed the very beginning of the show, we are

02:13:55.340 --> 02:14:00.340
adding a couple of big products to the RGB collection.

02:14:00.340 --> 02:14:07.340
I like this one. We have this freaking sick navy sweater that is 100% cotton

02:14:07.340 --> 02:14:10.340
knit with little multi-nep yarn flex.

02:14:10.340 --> 02:14:15.340
So we'll probably get a better shot of it on this. Actually, Luke, can you fire up the site and then we can show

02:14:15.340 --> 02:14:18.340
people what it looks like. It's got a clean, polished look.

02:14:18.340 --> 02:14:21.340
It's great for the office, but colorful specs keep it fun

02:14:21.340 --> 02:14:25.340
for holiday hangouts. And we also have, Luke, do you have that up already?

02:14:25.340 --> 02:14:28.340
It's loading. Yeah, it's fine. I get it.

02:14:28.340 --> 02:14:32.340
We also have the RGB beanie.

02:14:32.340 --> 02:14:36.340
Yeah, there you go. There's the sweater. Wow, it really doesn't capture the color of that.

02:14:36.340 --> 02:14:39.340
It's darker than that. It's darker than that. It's tough.

02:14:39.340 --> 02:14:42.340
Get me a close-up of the multi-nep though. Please tell me that's on there.

02:14:42.340 --> 02:14:47.340
There we go. Yes. So it's just a little touch of fun.

02:14:47.340 --> 02:14:50.340
Little touch of fun, just like our RGB shirts have been in

02:14:50.340 --> 02:14:53.340
the past. Then I'm going to go back to...

02:14:53.340 --> 02:15:01.340
There we go. We also have our beanies in both black and gray and both

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regular and short depths.

02:15:04.340 --> 02:15:08.340
There you go. We've got the two different sizes. We've got the two different beanies.

02:15:08.340 --> 02:15:11.340
And then Luke, if you want to fire up the product page there,

02:15:11.340 --> 02:15:15.340
boom. Warm, cozy, and ties right in with the rest of the RGB lineup

02:15:15.340 --> 02:15:22.340
or looks great on its own. Shop the RGB collection at LMG.GG slash RGB.

02:15:22.340 --> 02:15:25.340
And while you're on the site, don't forget...

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Actually, if you want to fire up the $100, blah, blah, thing at the top.

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No, I'm on it. It's just going to take me a second. Cool.

02:15:31.340 --> 02:15:37.340
Don't forget we have our holiday loot drop happening right now. Spend $100 or more and you could win a pair of Sennheiser

02:15:37.340 --> 02:15:41.340
headphones or if you're really lucky, an ASUS ROG Xbox

02:15:41.340 --> 02:15:44.340
Ally X.

02:15:44.340 --> 02:15:50.340
And, but wait, there's more. We have our buy more, save more apparel deal running until

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November 26th. You can save up to 25% when you stack apparel items.

02:15:57.340 --> 02:16:00.340
Oh yeah, go ahead and click that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's good.

02:16:00.340 --> 02:16:03.340
That one right there. So if you buy two items, I think it's...

02:16:03.340 --> 02:16:06.340
Shoot, what is it? 10%? It shows, I think, if I click on one of the things.

02:16:06.340 --> 02:16:11.340
There you go. You can see right here for your own reference. So mix and match two or more clothing items and save.

02:16:11.340 --> 02:16:15.340
Two items is 10% off. Three is 15. Four is 20 and five plus items is 25.

02:16:16.340 --> 02:16:20.340
So load it up. The cart to be clear. We've got printed t-shirts back in stock.

02:16:20.340 --> 02:16:26.340
We've got these great new RGB products. You can find everything that's eligible at...

02:16:26.340 --> 02:16:30.340
Oh, shoot. I don't actually see the link to everything that's eligible.

02:16:30.340 --> 02:16:33.340
Well, you can go to the main site and then you can click this banner.

02:16:33.340 --> 02:16:37.340
And then you want to scroll down real quick. The WAN hoodie is on fire.

02:16:37.340 --> 02:16:40.340
People are loving the new WAN hoodie. Makes a lot of sense.

02:16:40.340 --> 02:16:45.340
It's very cool. Well, it's everything with the Buy More Save More tag, I guess.

02:16:45.340 --> 02:16:48.340
Yep. So there's actually a lot of stuff.

02:16:48.340 --> 02:16:53.340
The underwear is actually flying off the shelves as well. I forgot how long we were out of stock.

02:16:53.340 --> 02:16:57.340
Dude, it was a real... I'm restocking. It's been a long time.

02:16:57.340 --> 02:17:00.340
Yeah, I know. So there's some pent-up demand.

02:17:00.340 --> 02:17:05.340
Anyway, since we're live, I didn't mean to do that.

02:17:05.340 --> 02:17:08.340
It was unintentionally quite good.

02:17:08.340 --> 02:17:12.340
Nice. Quality Linus.

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What was I going to say? Oh, yeah, right. And since we're live, now's a great time to place your order on LTT Store

02:17:19.340 --> 02:17:23.340
because you can send a merge message. All you got to do is add something to your cart.

02:17:23.340 --> 02:17:27.340
And then whenever we're live, there'll be a box where you can send a merge message.

02:17:27.340 --> 02:17:30.340
This makes much more sense than Streaks.

02:17:30.340 --> 02:17:33.340
Is that what it's called? That's... I don't know.

02:17:33.340 --> 02:17:37.340
Hype Train. Hype Train. They did a Hype Train in Twitch chat because...

02:17:37.340 --> 02:17:42.340
Watch this! Because we acknowledged them for the first time in years.

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And I told them that's dumb. And what you should do if you want to throw money at your screen...

02:17:47.340 --> 02:17:52.340
I mean, by all means, use your Prime membership or subscription or whatever they're called on Twitch.

02:17:52.340 --> 02:17:55.340
Use that one. I don't care. But don't spend money on that.

02:17:55.340 --> 02:17:58.340
Spend money on LTTStore.com where...

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Whether we acknowledge your message by having Dan reply to it.

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There he is. Or he forwards it to someone who can get you a better answer.

02:18:07.340 --> 02:18:11.340
Or he throws it up on the screen like that one that's a bit up there.

02:18:11.340 --> 02:18:15.340
Or he curates it for me and Luke to answer. You will still get high quality merchandise in the mail.

02:18:15.340 --> 02:18:18.340
You can type a message. You can be anonymous or have your name show.

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You can change the color of your merge message.

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You will have to opt into email communication about your message if you have a question that Dan can't answer.

02:18:27.340 --> 02:18:31.340
So that is sort of worth knowing. And then you go ahead and place your order.

02:18:31.340 --> 02:18:34.340
Alright Dan, do you want to show us how merge messages works? Hit us with a couple.

02:18:34.340 --> 02:18:37.340
Oh sure, we got lots today. Things are selling quite quickly.

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Yep, it's that season. It is.

02:18:40.340 --> 02:18:43.340
That time of year. Hello LLD. I finished my engineering degree.

02:18:43.340 --> 02:18:51.340
Next year I'll do my master's degree. And I've been working for a month on my thesis about outside in tracking with RF.

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What features are relevant here?

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What? Features.

02:19:00.340 --> 02:19:03.340
Are relevant here? This feels truncated.

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Potentially, maybe.

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I know that the new one uses cameras where some of the other ones use other forms.

02:19:14.340 --> 02:19:16.340
Like the Oculus uses a different type.

02:19:17.340 --> 02:19:23.340
And outside in with the original Oculus, I guess CV1 was camera.

02:19:23.340 --> 02:19:27.340
Yes, that was cameras. And then lighthouses are laser if I remember correctly.

02:19:27.340 --> 02:19:33.340
Yes. Man, but then technically light is RF.

02:19:33.340 --> 02:19:35.340
Technically, isn't it?

02:19:36.340 --> 02:19:37.340
So like...

02:19:39.340 --> 02:19:48.340
Strange. Yeah, I'm sorry. I think this is truncated and I don't know if we're going to be able to answer that in any meaningful way.

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Darn. Up next.

02:19:53.340 --> 02:19:56.340
Okay. Yes. Let's do that.

02:19:57.340 --> 02:20:00.340
Sorry. Favorite Taylor Swift song.

02:20:00.340 --> 02:20:06.340
Okay. You're not going to give them anything good? Oh, do you just want to get through this quickly so we can do more topics and you can go home eventually?

02:20:06.340 --> 02:20:08.340
Is that what this is about? What do you mean?

02:20:10.340 --> 02:20:13.340
I thought we were moving on from that merge message. Did I miss something?

02:20:13.340 --> 02:20:17.340
Favorite Taylor Swift song. I just mean, this is the most...

02:20:17.340 --> 02:20:23.340
It's the most important week of LMG basically in years at this point because we have Linus Torvalds here

02:20:23.340 --> 02:20:26.340
and we have the huge Steam announcement.

02:20:26.340 --> 02:20:29.340
And you ask me what Taylor Swift song I like?

02:20:29.340 --> 02:20:34.340
I mean, that's why they hid their name. It is anonymous because they don't know how to answer good questions.

02:20:34.340 --> 02:20:37.340
You mean ask good questions? Yeah, sorry.

02:20:37.340 --> 02:20:40.340
You're the one who doesn't know how to select good questions for us to answer.

02:20:40.340 --> 02:20:43.340
I don't know. I thought you were a Swifty.

02:20:43.340 --> 02:20:46.340
I mean, you're the dump truck. You share that?

02:20:46.340 --> 02:20:49.340
Yeah. You're both blonde? I have never talked about...

02:20:49.340 --> 02:20:53.340
I would never talk about Taylor Swift's butt, okay?

02:20:53.340 --> 02:20:56.340
Sorry, thighs. Yes, we both have thighs.

02:20:56.340 --> 02:20:59.340
We have that in common. Damn right you do. Yes.

02:20:59.340 --> 02:21:02.340
That's something we both have in common. That goes crazy.

02:21:02.340 --> 02:21:05.340
That's something we both have in common. That goes crazy.

02:21:05.340 --> 02:21:09.340
That's something we both have in common. That's something we both have in common.

02:21:09.340 --> 02:21:14.340
What I'm saying is factual.

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They both have legs. You know what?

02:21:18.340 --> 02:21:24.340
I'm going to go with one of her songs that speaks very strongly to me.

02:21:24.340 --> 02:21:28.340
You need to calm down. I'm going to go with you need to calm down.

02:21:28.340 --> 02:21:31.340
You like hearing that? It helps you? It speaks very strongly to you?

02:21:31.340 --> 02:21:34.340
No, no, no, no, no. Linus Sebastian needs to calm down?

02:21:34.340 --> 02:21:37.340
What? You just have no idea what you're talking about.

02:21:37.340 --> 02:21:43.340
Dude, if this was a to everyone question, I literally don't know a single one of her songs.

02:21:43.340 --> 02:21:46.340
I guarantee you do. No, I'm sure I know the song.

02:21:46.340 --> 02:21:49.340
Romeo and Juliet. Sure. Yeah.

02:21:49.340 --> 02:21:52.340
Or what's it called? I'm not going to know the names of them. Love Story, whatever.

02:21:52.340 --> 02:21:55.340
I guarantee you I've heard her songs. I just don't know the names of them.

02:21:55.340 --> 02:22:00.340
I see, I see. Apparently I don't either. I just called it Romeo and Juliet, some Swiftie I am.

02:22:00.340 --> 02:22:03.340
Yeah, thigh reduction just happened.

02:22:03.340 --> 02:22:06.340
Yeah. No, no, they're still there.

02:22:06.340 --> 02:22:12.340
I have been losing weight though. I think I haven't been eating enough to keep up with how active I've been lately.

02:22:12.340 --> 02:22:15.340
That's a thing. Yeah. I think I need to eat more.

02:22:15.340 --> 02:22:18.340
I don't have time during the day though. I'm back on that.

02:22:18.340 --> 02:22:21.340
On what? Not eating enough on purpose.

02:22:21.340 --> 02:22:24.340
Oh, really? I'm back on the reduction train. You're cutting?

02:22:24.340 --> 02:22:27.340
Yeah. Well, my wrist is so messed up I can't work out properly.

02:22:27.340 --> 02:22:30.340
So it's like, well, time to do the other thing. Okay, fair enough.

02:22:30.340 --> 02:22:35.340
Yeah. I was trying to think, it was very frustrating for a while and then I was just like, you know,

02:22:35.340 --> 02:22:38.340
I'll just cut then. Yeah, make lemonade.

02:22:38.340 --> 02:22:41.340
Yeah, exactly. It's fine. Beyonce style.

02:22:41.340 --> 02:22:44.340
It's fine. I'll make it work. Yeah.

02:22:44.340 --> 02:22:47.340
And I'll just get back to it when things are better. That's fine.

02:22:47.340 --> 02:22:51.340
That was more like, was that a P Diddy thing?

02:22:51.340 --> 02:22:54.340
I get it. Hold on, hold on. I'll be right back one second.

02:22:54.340 --> 02:23:01.340
Ah, he's going to go do it.

02:23:01.340 --> 02:23:05.340
I feel like giving someone else a ding just gave him a significant amount of dopamine.

02:23:05.340 --> 02:23:13.340
Does he need his own bell? I was concerned for my dry sweater for a second there.

02:23:13.340 --> 02:23:16.340
Oh, no. Gross.

02:23:16.340 --> 02:23:19.340
Gross. How about another one?

02:23:19.340 --> 02:23:22.340
Moving on. Okay, let's do one more. Hi, DLL.

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How do you deal with issues of sibling rivalry, both in your kids for Linus and with your

02:23:27.540 --> 02:23:31.340
siblings growing up? We have some more underwear. Stock win.

02:23:31.340 --> 02:23:34.340
Are we out of stock? Did we sell them all? We sell them so quickly.

02:23:34.340 --> 02:23:37.340
Did we really? Oh, people love them.

02:23:37.340 --> 02:23:45.340
That sucks. I wanted some of those. I'm going to start submitting my dog requests for you.

02:23:45.340 --> 02:23:52.340
Would you prefer that? No, I feel like we should use the like, is Luke going to buy it metric?

02:23:52.340 --> 02:23:56.340
Because every time I want to buy something on the store, she's gone.

02:23:56.340 --> 02:24:02.340
I think I'm going to cost you after the show and we will sit down and just put stuff in

02:24:02.340 --> 02:24:05.340
there for you. Maybe. Damn it.

02:24:05.340 --> 02:24:08.340
Okay. Anyway. Crap.

02:24:08.340 --> 02:24:16.340
Yeah. Medium, large, and XL are all gone.

02:24:16.340 --> 02:24:19.340
Which store are you on? Hold on. I'm on the USA Store.

02:24:19.340 --> 02:24:22.340
There's still some more in stock on the USA Store. I'm on global.

02:24:22.340 --> 02:24:26.340
Yeah. Medium, large, and XL, by the way.

02:24:26.340 --> 02:24:29.340
It's not even just like one of them. It's both designs.

02:24:29.340 --> 02:24:33.340
Yeah. Meanwhile, on the USA Store, it's medium, large, or out for the solid.

02:24:33.340 --> 02:24:38.340
And it's just large out for the prism and confetti design.

02:24:38.340 --> 02:24:41.340
Small is also sold out on the solid.

02:24:41.340 --> 02:24:44.340
Okay. Well, anyway.

02:24:44.340 --> 02:24:47.340
Of all the problems to have. Yeah.

02:24:47.340 --> 02:24:50.340
No, no, no, no. Yeah. It's not the worst problem.

02:24:50.340 --> 02:24:53.340
I know. Well, it's not a good problem. No, no.

02:24:53.340 --> 02:24:58.340
It's not good, but it's...

02:24:58.340 --> 02:25:03.340
It would be worse if no one wanted those. It's really hard to find the right balance when you're stocking.

02:25:03.340 --> 02:25:07.340
Yes. And now that we have multiple distribution centers, it's even more challenging.

02:25:07.340 --> 02:25:12.340
For sure. And it's only going to get more challenging in the future as, like, obviously, you know,

02:25:12.340 --> 02:25:16.340
it's not like it's not occurred to us that it would get to have a European DC, for instance.

02:25:16.340 --> 02:25:19.340
Oh, my... I'm getting roasted by Flipway Chat.

02:25:19.340 --> 02:25:24.340
Oh. Seth Hyland asks, what percentage of LTT sales are during WAN Show?

02:25:24.340 --> 02:25:27.340
Less than you'd probably think. A fair bit.

02:25:27.340 --> 02:25:33.340
Like, WAN Show is a big driver. We often launch products on WAN Show, so that inflates the numbers a little bit.

02:25:33.340 --> 02:25:38.340
But when we don't, it's not like we don't have other mechanisms for promoting new products

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and stuff like that, and they'll still be quite strong.

02:25:42.340 --> 02:25:46.340
No, it's a very serious business for us.

02:25:46.340 --> 02:25:50.340
I mean, I think I meant... did I mention earlier on the show today that...

02:25:50.340 --> 02:25:55.340
They got to meet Linus Torvalds with Homie? That we're finally doing How Does LMG Spend Money?

02:25:55.340 --> 02:25:58.340
Oh, I don't know if you did or not. Did I talk about it last week?

02:25:58.340 --> 02:26:01.340
Do you guys know about this already? Okay, yeah.

02:26:01.340 --> 02:26:06.340
So basically, I've had more exposure to, you know, expense reports in the last week than

02:26:06.340 --> 02:26:10.340
I probably have in the last five years, because I just don't really look that closely at that

02:26:10.340 --> 02:26:13.340
stuff as part of my daily work. Sure.

02:26:13.340 --> 02:26:17.340
And the merch business is huge.

02:26:17.340 --> 02:26:22.340
On inventory, we spend millions and millions and millions of dollars a year.

02:26:22.340 --> 02:26:25.340
It's crazy.

02:26:25.340 --> 02:26:34.340
And it's so hard to get it right, to not overbuy, but not underbuy.

02:26:34.340 --> 02:26:42.340
Especially when... I mean, you go on the store, and almost every product is a bespoke, created product.

02:26:42.340 --> 02:26:45.340
Yeah, we really have no idea.

02:26:45.340 --> 02:26:53.340
I was talking to someone about this recently. We really have no idea how to chill with things, like ever.

02:26:53.340 --> 02:26:58.340
Why would we chill? Like ever, even when it would be totally fine.

02:26:58.340 --> 02:27:01.340
We're like, nah. Yeah, nah. Why would we chill?

02:27:01.340 --> 02:27:07.340
Let's make a pen, but instead of it being a normal pen.

02:27:07.340 --> 02:27:10.340
Okay, this one is relatively low effort.

02:27:10.340 --> 02:27:15.340
By the way, that was very cool. We can't really talk about where we were.

02:27:15.340 --> 02:27:18.340
No, we can't at all. Or who we were talking to.

02:27:18.340 --> 02:27:28.340
But Luke and I got on very, like, strong authority that PTM7950 is goaded.

02:27:28.340 --> 02:27:31.340
Yes. Like, extremely strong. Pretty much.

02:27:31.340 --> 02:27:35.340
Like, I can't tell you who it is, but the highest...

02:27:35.340 --> 02:27:38.340
Pretty maximum strong. Authority. It was God.

02:27:38.340 --> 02:27:44.340
And then there's this individual in terms of their authority on this subject.

02:27:44.340 --> 02:27:48.340
It was pretty, it was pretty validating. I don't know if I disagree.

02:27:48.340 --> 02:27:55.340
Yeah. Yeah. So that was, that was pretty cool.

02:27:55.340 --> 02:27:58.340
Oh. Oh my God.

02:27:58.340 --> 02:28:01.340
I won't leave me alone, dude. What?

02:28:01.340 --> 02:28:09.340
What is this? Oh, charged nuclei said, and you let Luke meet them?

02:28:09.340 --> 02:28:14.340
Just every time, every time you bring up anything.

02:28:14.340 --> 02:28:17.340
It wasn't my fault, Luke. I didn't know. No, I know.

02:28:17.340 --> 02:28:20.340
It was the person who recently left. I know.

02:28:20.340 --> 02:28:23.340
I really, I would have fought for you if there was anything that could have been done.

02:28:23.340 --> 02:28:29.340
You know I would have paid for you to get a flight back. I knew it was upcoming, but legitimately until that I think Thursday I had no idea it was

02:28:29.340 --> 02:28:32.340
like the next week. I know, I'm sorry. It was way too late.

02:28:32.340 --> 02:28:37.340
I mean, it is what it is. But at least you have that sign sign.

02:28:37.340 --> 02:28:43.340
That is actually really cool. From both of us.

02:28:43.340 --> 02:28:46.340
That sign is like one of my favorite things.

02:28:46.340 --> 02:28:50.340
And then, yeah. I'm surprised you don't like the one for the Walmart.

02:28:50.340 --> 02:28:54.340
No, that's super cool. Oh, I thought you like gave it back to me or something, didn't you?

02:28:54.340 --> 02:28:57.340
I think, no, you asked me to store it. Yeah.

02:28:57.340 --> 02:29:00.340
Because you didn't have anywhere to put it. Yes. Yeah, okay, never mind.

02:29:00.340 --> 02:29:04.340
And I still have the plane too. I'm still like holding on to that for you.

02:29:04.340 --> 02:29:07.340
That's yours. That's not mine. I don't like want it forever.

02:29:07.340 --> 02:29:15.340
Luke, do you ever... It's not even a cool way though. Do you ever display the one of one thing that you have that I gave you from the place with

02:29:15.340 --> 02:29:18.340
the people? No, that's secret. Good.

02:29:18.340 --> 02:29:21.340
Okay. Do I know about that? You've seen it.

02:29:21.340 --> 02:29:25.340
It unravels like that.

02:29:25.340 --> 02:29:29.340
Oh, that, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you should never show anyone that.

02:29:29.340 --> 02:29:32.340
That is private. Yeah, cool. Very private.

02:29:32.340 --> 02:29:35.340
All right. What are we supposed to...

02:29:35.340 --> 02:29:38.340
What was the word for message? Very behind. Right.

02:29:38.340 --> 02:29:42.340
Sibling rivalry. Sibling rivalry, yeah. How do I put this...

02:29:42.340 --> 02:29:47.340
How do I put this lightly? I don't really feel any rivalry with my siblings.

02:29:47.340 --> 02:29:50.340
We've... You gotta not put the... How do I put this lightly first?

02:29:50.340 --> 02:29:54.340
Well, no, I just... If you don't put the... How do I put this lightly first, then that statement is totally fine.

02:29:54.340 --> 02:30:00.340
I think people could take it the wrong way though. I think by putting how do I put this lightly before it, people will now take it the wrong

02:30:00.340 --> 02:30:03.340
way. And if you just didn't say that, it would have been...

02:30:03.340 --> 02:30:07.340
No offense, but I actually have a pretty healthy relationship with my family.

02:30:07.340 --> 02:30:13.340
Yeah. No, my point is that none of us have tried to achieve even remotely the same things.

02:30:13.340 --> 02:30:19.340
Like, my siblings have zero interest in being an online influencer across the board.

02:30:19.340 --> 02:30:25.340
Zero. So, like, how do you measure that kind of...

02:30:25.340 --> 02:30:29.340
Yeah. Like, there's no rivalry there.

02:30:29.340 --> 02:30:32.340
Yeah. And like... It's also...

02:30:32.340 --> 02:30:35.340
Yeah, like wildly different types of success.

02:30:35.340 --> 02:30:39.340
Yeah. And I mean, it's...

02:30:39.340 --> 02:30:46.100
If I'm looking at my sibling rivalry, I think my brother has achieved very immense levels

02:30:46.100 --> 02:30:51.340
of success. In very different things. He got the exact career that he wanted.

02:30:51.340 --> 02:30:54.540
Yep. In the exact way that he wanted it and is excelling with it.

02:30:54.540 --> 02:30:57.740
Seems to be nailing it on the family side. Nailing on the family side.

02:30:57.740 --> 02:31:00.740
Pun intended. He's got a couple kids. He's got...

02:31:00.740 --> 02:31:03.740
Yeah. Yeah. And that's all going pretty well.

02:31:03.740 --> 02:31:06.740
Sorry, Rich. Little graphic, but... You won't mind.

02:31:06.740 --> 02:31:10.580
I know. So, like, yeah, I don't see any...

02:31:10.580 --> 02:31:14.260
I hear what you're saying. It's completely different realms. Yep.

02:31:14.260 --> 02:31:18.260
Yeah. Yeah. Luke informed me you're good at it.

02:31:18.260 --> 02:31:23.260
In ways that make sense to him and to you, but not to the audience right now, so...

02:31:23.980 --> 02:31:26.980
No further elaborate... I'm just going to be taken... What?

02:31:26.980 --> 02:31:30.480
Extremely weirdly. I almost feel like I need to explain that now. No, I'm uncunkable.

02:31:30.480 --> 02:31:33.480
I don't think you can. I don't think you can. I don't think you should.

02:31:33.480 --> 02:31:37.980
We've got Linus' thighs and now this. What's going on?

02:31:37.980 --> 02:31:41.980
I don't think you can. The success rate was high. It's like the chicken.

02:31:41.980 --> 02:31:45.660
No, it's not like the chicken. Our family's just... It's not like the chicken.

02:31:45.660 --> 02:31:51.740
It's nothing like chicken.

02:31:51.740 --> 02:31:56.620
Chicken is chicken, not...

02:31:56.620 --> 02:31:59.620
Chicken pregnant. I mean, you could check on.

02:31:59.620 --> 02:32:02.620
I think that's allowed.

02:32:02.620 --> 02:32:08.620
And we're cooked.

02:32:08.620 --> 02:32:15.620
Why did Linus Torvult ever agree to work with us?

02:32:15.620 --> 02:32:19.120
Because he never heard of our channel. Never seen the WAN Show.

02:32:19.120 --> 02:32:27.200
There's no way. There's no way he's ever seen the WAN Show. I actually specifically asked him if he looked into any controversies around us and he said

02:32:27.200 --> 02:32:32.520
he explicitly doesn't, which used to be my policy.

02:32:32.520 --> 02:32:42.360
I'm happy that hasn't bit him in the butt. And then I collabed with Hassan and collabed with Tumad and I was on a bit of a streak

02:32:42.360 --> 02:32:52.080
there for a bit. You were, yeah. I do really hate where if there's literally any level of contact, people assume that you've

02:32:52.080 --> 02:32:56.880
done deep dives on everyone around. That's insane and needs to stop.

02:32:56.880 --> 02:33:03.800
Or that you agree with them on everything? Yeah. Now, literally every single thing they've ever said, you now fullheartedly agree with.

02:33:03.800 --> 02:33:07.640
There's people I know and am friends with where I can name a multitude of things that

02:33:07.640 --> 02:33:11.520
I don't agree with them on. I feel like that should be fairly normal.

02:33:11.520 --> 02:33:14.760
But anyways, that's a whole other topic. Let's go.

02:33:14.760 --> 02:33:17.760
Oh yeah. XCC. There you go.

02:33:17.760 --> 02:33:24.840
Nice. And to be clear, I'm not saying that I like hate those people or whatever.

02:33:24.840 --> 02:33:32.160
I'm just saying that. They just have been controversial figures. I didn't research them at all and I didn't realize that they were quite polarizing.

02:33:32.160 --> 02:33:35.680
Yeah. That's all I'll say. Yeah.

02:33:35.680 --> 02:33:38.680
Because that's all that needs to be said. I think we came out of those fairly unscathed.

02:33:38.680 --> 02:33:41.800
Yeah. I think so. I think so.

02:33:41.800 --> 02:33:45.800
Yeah. I think the one that there was the most concern about was Tumad.

02:33:45.800 --> 02:33:50.120
Yes. And I was just like, yeah, what? He bombed some Zoom calls at that point.

02:33:50.120 --> 02:33:54.280
I think he got more controversial later. I think that's true.

02:33:54.280 --> 02:33:57.360
We also kind of, I think, I think all of those figures.

02:33:57.360 --> 02:34:04.200
I think every single, every single collab in that collab streak has become more controversial

02:34:04.200 --> 02:34:11.440
over time. I think that's true. But I think they were people who that was to a certain degree their shtick.

02:34:11.440 --> 02:34:20.200
So it was somewhat inevitable. And I think, yeah, I'm actually ex, I can't tell.

02:34:20.200 --> 02:34:30.280
Oh my God, AJ, did you make it admin only?

02:34:30.280 --> 02:34:36.400
Don't add more admin only emotes. Did he seriously add the you being upset about the birthday song?

02:34:36.400 --> 02:34:41.960
I absolutely did not send it to him on teams so that he could do that.

02:34:41.960 --> 02:34:49.920
Oh my God, this is amazing. Oh, you probably, oh, you probably need that new command.

02:34:49.920 --> 02:34:53.600
What's the, you're going to need a new command.

02:34:53.600 --> 02:35:01.760
What is the, what is the command for it? Cash clear cash with a capital C, how do I, how do I type this?

02:35:01.760 --> 02:35:06.880
Oh yeah, the spam has begun.

02:35:06.880 --> 02:35:13.120
Cash cleared. No, no, no, no, no, for the first C is lowercase, the second key is C is capital.

02:35:13.120 --> 02:35:16.440
Oh, everybody's doing it wrong. My bad. I said it.

02:35:16.440 --> 02:35:21.480
I said it poorly. It's, it's clear all lowercase and then capital C.

02:35:21.480 --> 02:35:26.760
Cash. All right, C-A-S-H.

02:35:26.760 --> 02:35:32.200
As for sibling rivalry with my kids, I think we, why would you do this?

02:35:32.200 --> 02:35:35.200
People are actually doing it. Why would you do that? It's great.

02:35:35.200 --> 02:35:41.880
That's, that's how I get all their money from LTT Store. They type clear cash, it all comes to me, they clear their cash.

02:35:41.880 --> 02:35:45.640
It reups their subscription every single time. Yeah.

02:35:45.640 --> 02:35:49.320
This is the real life train. As for, as for kids, same thing.

02:35:49.320 --> 02:35:54.880
My kids don't aspire to the same things. Like they're, they're very, very different.

02:35:54.880 --> 02:35:59.880
I'd say that with the daughters, it's, it's something that we're going to be paying more

02:35:59.880 --> 02:36:02.920
and more close attention to as they like hit puberty and stuff.

02:36:02.920 --> 02:36:06.800
And they start to, you know, think about body image and stuff like that.

02:36:06.800 --> 02:36:09.960
But so far it hasn't really been a major issue.

02:36:09.960 --> 02:36:15.360
Like it's not like, it's not like my daughter's care that my son's team went 36 and 0 for

02:36:15.360 --> 02:36:18.080
volleyball this year. Based.

02:36:18.560 --> 02:36:27.200
The, the gym coach who's been there long enough to, long enough that, oh, how do I say

02:36:27.200 --> 02:36:34.480
this? No, she doesn't help you. Oh, basically she's been there a very long time and she said to her knowledge, no team

02:36:34.480 --> 02:36:40.720
at the school has ever had an undefeated season in any grade in any sport, which was

02:36:40.720 --> 02:36:44.320
pretty cool. So they, they went completely undefeated this year.

02:36:44.320 --> 02:36:50.640
That's epic. Just swept everything. Unfortunately, there were no provincials for his grade volleyball this year.

02:36:50.640 --> 02:36:56.720
Oh, but there will be at higher grades, but there will be at higher grades. So he's, um, so he's, he's getting pretty, he's getting pretty into it.

02:36:59.280 --> 02:37:03.080
I told him, I told him, don't forget about badminton. Don't forget to play with me. Sometimes people are typing slash.

02:37:06.440 --> 02:37:09.760
Yeah, that'll just unlock everything. That makes sense.

02:37:11.440 --> 02:37:15.200
And I don't know when more underwear stock is coming. I'm sorry. Okay. We should move on to a new topic.

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Microsoft exact says Windows is evolving into an agentic OS and gets cooked in the

02:37:24.600 --> 02:37:31.840
replies, although in fairness, Windows 11 start menu does seem like it's getting a

02:37:31.840 --> 02:37:37.160
pretty good redesign. How's that in fairness? I mean, they're doing something, something positive.

02:37:37.200 --> 02:37:44.280
I think it's, but also. Sure. Microsoft's current head of Windows, Pavan Daveluri posted on X to say that the future

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of the platform is one that is evolving into an agentic OS. The tweet has seen pushback with various opinions, pretty much all stating the same

02:37:52.880 --> 02:37:56.880
thing. Nobody wants to use Windows primarily through an AI middleman.

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The Windows start menu is receiving its first significant makeover since 2021 and

02:38:01.880 --> 02:38:05.480
will be delivered to all users as part of the November 11th update.

02:38:05.680 --> 02:38:09.280
I do like it more. The menu is now scrollable. Uh, here, do you want it?

02:38:09.520 --> 02:38:13.080
Sure. So you can move through your apps in one place and the interface is now larger with

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a responsive layout that adapts to the screen size automatically.

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However, you cannot resize it manually for comparison.

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Yeah. The start settings page is being updated and will no longer feature the layout option.

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If you disable all the recommended settings, you'll also have the ability to hide the recommended section of the start menu, which honestly is probably good.

02:38:33.920 --> 02:38:38.160
I don't need recommendations for what it was that I was hoping to open right now

02:38:38.160 --> 02:38:40.640
because you have no way of knowing that.

02:38:41.480 --> 02:38:44.480
Um, I'm going to kill our discussion question here.

02:38:44.480 --> 02:38:49.920
And we're just going to kind of move on because yeah, that's all I think I really

02:38:49.920 --> 02:38:53.520
feel the need to say about that. Oh, this one doesn't have a header so I can't collapse it.

02:38:55.160 --> 02:38:58.640
Downer. Um, Luke, do you want to pick one?

02:38:59.560 --> 02:39:02.840
Sure. Uh, let's talk about Ubisoft.

02:39:03.080 --> 02:39:06.000
Oh, no. Okay.

02:39:06.760 --> 02:39:10.000
Okay, like it would do in a throwback to the old house.

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Keep on digging. Yeah, we had this thing on WAN Show.

02:39:14.400 --> 02:39:18.760
It's been a very long time where there was just, it felt like every week.

02:39:18.840 --> 02:39:25.320
Yeah. Six months, like I don't know how long it was a long time is every, every week,

02:39:25.360 --> 02:39:30.600
every other week at least there was some terrible news out of Ubisoft or they

02:39:30.600 --> 02:39:34.400
were doing something awful, which was insane because that was also at like a

02:39:34.440 --> 02:39:40.760
pretty fairly peak time for Ubisoft. That was like Assassin's Creed four and like, like all these like really big,

02:39:40.760 --> 02:39:44.720
like their games are doing well, but they were just doing really horrible

02:39:44.720 --> 02:39:48.760
things. Yeah. Or like the launch would be super buggy and they'd fix it later, but it was

02:39:48.760 --> 02:39:53.760
just like unnecessary floating eyeballs and stuff that was like slightly later

02:39:53.760 --> 02:39:57.920
than what I was talking about, but definitely still during keep on digging. Yeah. So we even made a shirt.

02:39:57.920 --> 02:40:03.680
It had a shovel on it. Nick Van Burkle designed it. That was back when just like we didn't have designers.

02:40:03.680 --> 02:40:07.320
We just had our video editors who had some familiarity with like talented people.

02:40:07.320 --> 02:40:11.640
Yeah. The Adobe suite. So anyway, all right. What's up with Ubisoft right now?

02:40:11.680 --> 02:40:15.400
Ubisoft delayed its half year earnings report, which is a really big deal for

02:40:15.400 --> 02:40:21.000
public companies and requested halted trading until its release on Thursday,

02:40:21.000 --> 02:40:27.960
November 13th, the day Ubisoft was to release its half year.

02:40:27.960 --> 02:40:33.640
Yeah. The day of crazy was to release its half year 2025, 2026 earnings report.

02:40:33.880 --> 02:40:38.680
The company instead announced a delay and requested a halt to the trading of

02:40:38.680 --> 02:40:42.320
its shares and bonds on Euro next.

02:40:43.480 --> 02:40:49.360
All right. Engach, it says delays to earning reports may happen due to accounting issues,

02:40:49.520 --> 02:40:55.360
but speculates halting trading of the company's shares could portend major news

02:40:55.520 --> 02:40:59.720
such as a sale or Ubisoft becoming a private entity again.

02:40:59.720 --> 02:41:07.880
Oh, interesting. Tencent recently took a 25% stake of new Ubisoft subsidiary Vantage Studios,

02:41:08.600 --> 02:41:12.400
which now manages the company's major titles like Assassin's Creed, Far Cry and Rainbows.

02:41:12.400 --> 02:41:18.040
Why would they do that? That's weird because they want to own gaming.

02:41:18.520 --> 02:41:23.720
No. Why would why would Ubisoft split off their major titles into a subbrand?

02:41:24.200 --> 02:41:25.960
Because Ubisoft is f***ed.

02:41:27.280 --> 02:41:30.760
Oh, so sync the bad ship.

02:41:31.320 --> 02:41:33.720
Move everything else off and do a OK.

02:41:34.360 --> 02:41:39.320
All right, makes sense. There was talk of Tencent taking Ubisoft private last year.

02:41:39.320 --> 02:41:45.320
Yikes. This follows contract buyouts for some employees of the company just last month.

02:41:46.120 --> 02:41:49.120
This is the kind of like financial

02:41:49.120 --> 02:41:53.440
finangling that means that no matter how poorly managed a company is,

02:41:53.440 --> 02:41:56.600
once it's big enough, it almost feels like there's no consequences for the

02:41:56.600 --> 02:42:01.120
leadership because they can just make moves and then.

02:42:02.520 --> 02:42:07.800
Yeah, keep shoveling money into the sacks of money that they sleep on, presumably.

02:42:07.800 --> 02:42:11.760
Like, yeah, the individual developers will suffer in all of this,

02:42:11.760 --> 02:42:17.560
like sort of reorg acquisition nonsense. But the actual the leadership that put them in a position

02:42:17.560 --> 02:42:20.640
where they weren't profitable enough to just keep doing what they were doing

02:42:20.640 --> 02:42:24.960
in the first place, if anything, will probably benefit.

02:42:25.240 --> 02:42:30.400
I, I, yeah, I, I saw a comment go by about this,

02:42:30.400 --> 02:42:34.400
but I also had the thought and I lost the comment. So I can't see the person's name, so sorry.

02:42:34.400 --> 02:42:38.560
But the new game industry, Canada.

02:42:39.280 --> 02:42:42.360
Yikes. Oh, yeah. EA is now purchased.

02:42:42.360 --> 02:42:47.040
Yep. Ubisoft is. Well, let's see. But something clearly something funky something.

02:42:48.080 --> 02:42:53.040
Yeah. Yeah. Star Eye says China, Ubisoft and Saudi EA crazy times pretty much.

02:42:54.040 --> 02:42:59.680
Yikes. We should probably do sponsor spots at some point here.

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This is or not carry on. Not you can go for it.

02:43:03.520 --> 02:43:07.760
I was going to have a conversation about like the industries that you can get into in Canada and how that's like.

02:43:08.640 --> 02:43:10.640
I had a conversation on a recent trip about.

02:43:12.880 --> 02:43:15.200
OK, I didn't realize Adreno.

02:43:18.160 --> 02:43:18.720
Radeon.

02:43:23.200 --> 02:43:23.600
Oh.

02:43:29.200 --> 02:43:34.080
Oh, yeah. Wasn't it a magic on? Didn't they like acquire that IP or something from AMD?

02:43:34.080 --> 02:43:40.160
And hold on. There was some speculation that they might have acquired some part of ATI.

02:43:41.120 --> 02:43:45.600
Imagine on previously. ATI. Imagine on was a series of media co-processors.

02:43:45.600 --> 02:43:49.360
Hold on. Hold on. Produced by ATI later AMD.

02:43:49.360 --> 02:43:52.320
AMD later sold it to Qualcomm in 2009. Yeah.

02:43:52.400 --> 02:43:57.760
So that's where Adreno comes from. I actually didn't realize that was where Adreno came from.

02:43:57.760 --> 02:44:01.120
Had no idea. I thought Imagine on was a cooler name personally.

02:44:01.120 --> 02:44:06.000
Imagine on is pretty cool. Yeah. But anyways, Adreno comes from there.

02:44:06.560 --> 02:44:10.000
But ATI was Canadian for people that don't know.

02:44:10.000 --> 02:44:12.880
Yeah. We also had Nortel.

02:44:13.840 --> 02:44:17.200
Blackberry. A lot of our. But yeah, sure.

02:44:17.200 --> 02:44:20.320
A lot of our used to be able to get a rim job in Canada. No problem.

02:44:20.320 --> 02:44:23.280
And now there are no rim jobs. We even exported rim jobs.

02:44:26.720 --> 02:44:30.800
But yeah, a lot of our tech has been bought and moved away.

02:44:30.800 --> 02:44:34.800
Yep. Now our gaming industry is being bought and moved away.

02:44:34.800 --> 02:44:40.400
Undo P. And it's like, what do you go to school for to get into industry for in Canada now?

02:44:42.000 --> 02:44:45.360
There is still a lot of stuff. You get into medical care and then you move.

02:44:45.360 --> 02:44:49.520
That is a space that is getting worse over time.

02:44:50.480 --> 02:44:54.000
And that's not good. And I hope we start doing things to start.

02:44:55.600 --> 02:44:58.400
Flow plain chat. You got to get your mind out of the gunner. Okay.

02:44:58.960 --> 02:45:03.200
It's a research in motion job. Yeah. What are you talking about?

02:45:03.200 --> 02:45:05.200
Grow up. What are they even talking about? Grow up.

02:45:06.480 --> 02:45:12.960
What is it though? I'm not going to tell you. Your virgin mind cannot.

02:45:15.680 --> 02:45:19.520
Virgin tongue. Anyways, I'm sad about this. There have been, oh, wow.

02:45:21.520 --> 02:45:25.040
There are a lot of Ubisoft games that I've really loved over the years.

02:45:26.880 --> 02:45:30.720
Anno is fantastic. I've been a huge fan of the Assassin's Creed line.

02:45:31.760 --> 02:45:35.120
A bunch of the especially. I don't know how much credit Ubisoft can take for Anno.

02:45:36.880 --> 02:45:43.280
Yeah, sure. Fair enough. Yeah. Like that team's been around killing it since like the 90s.

02:45:43.280 --> 02:45:46.320
And as far as I know, they're like kind of isolated.

02:45:46.480 --> 02:45:52.000
Yeah, Ubisoft just publishes for them as far as I can tell. Oh, I didn't actually realize it was that separated.

02:45:52.000 --> 02:45:59.680
My bad. Anno game. I thought they were a thing within, but I don't, I've not like looked this up.

02:46:00.960 --> 02:46:06.240
Oh, apparently some Anno games have been developed by Ubisoft Bluebyte.

02:46:07.040 --> 02:46:10.960
German video game holding company owned by Ubisoft was founded in blah, blah, blah.

02:46:10.960 --> 02:46:13.360
So I thought they were just all max design.

02:46:14.480 --> 02:46:17.520
I didn't realize there was even two. So I don't know.

02:46:19.280 --> 02:46:22.800
Oh, no defunct 2004. Okay. Yeah. It shows you what I know. Actually.

02:46:22.800 --> 02:46:29.040
Okay. Nope. Nope. Wait. By sunflowers and collaboration with related to the next thing again.

02:46:29.840 --> 02:46:31.760
Based in Schladming.

02:46:33.680 --> 02:46:37.520
But company is best known for creating the Anno series. The company was closed down in 2004.

02:46:37.520 --> 02:46:43.520
Okay. Yep. It shows you what I know. It's been a while. But anyways, they've made a lot of games that I have really loved.

02:46:44.160 --> 02:46:47.440
But the way the company has been run has always been highly questionable.

02:46:47.440 --> 02:46:49.360
Hence the old keep on digging memes.

02:46:50.480 --> 02:46:54.480
The creation of Ubisoft Connect or whatever the heck it's even called now.

02:46:54.480 --> 02:46:58.720
You play was pretty whack.

02:47:00.400 --> 02:47:02.400
There's been a lot of things that have just been like

02:47:05.840 --> 02:47:09.920
not great. So I'm not surprised they're in a tough spot,

02:47:09.920 --> 02:47:13.440
but it sucks to lose even more Canadian industry.

02:47:13.440 --> 02:47:18.160
And I understand like it's not like EA just like deleted their offices in Canada or anything, but

02:47:20.080 --> 02:47:25.040
I wouldn't be surprised if the focus shifted. Yeah. I know it's about as Ubisoft as it gets.

02:47:25.040 --> 02:47:25.600
It looks like.

02:47:28.160 --> 02:47:31.280
Developer for Anno 1800 is Ubisoft Bluebyte.

02:47:31.280 --> 02:47:38.080
Yep. So it's it's first party. Yep. Sorry about that. Max Design only did the first two back in 1998 and 2002.

02:47:38.080 --> 02:47:40.800
Make sure I get that right for you guys. I didn't play those ones.

02:47:44.400 --> 02:47:47.360
So yeah, I was honestly mostly sad.

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All right, there you go, Dan. Yeah, no, it's not about going home.

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We're just two and a half hours in. Is that the problem?

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It's two and a half hours in. You want to go home? You know that we like doing seven hour WAN shows.

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The audience, you know, I really, yeah.

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You really, yeah. One time. Thank you, Luke. Wow. I want us to start relatively close to on time and go past midnight.

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One time. Why? I'm not saying it has to be now.

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That's too long. Do you need a why? You need to listen to WAN Show for that long. It's not about that.

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It's literally nobody. Somebody's going to want to. Literally nobody. Look how many people have tuned out already.

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See the graph? It's gone down. They're bored. They're tired of us.

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And I don't blame them. That's okay. Look at us. That's okay.

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It's another podcast with a bunch of white dudes.

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A lot of the same flavor of ice cream.

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Would you like darker hair in your vanilla ice cream? End of lot.

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Yeah, there's so much.

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Why is there so much hair in this ice cream?

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It's entirely too much. It's mostly hair with some vanilla.

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I mean, none of them are balding and they all have beards. What's happening right now?

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My question is where should the hair come from?

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Is it time to get an office cat? Yeah.

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and my first two attempts, the package had been opened

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by what appeared to be rodent teeth. Yeah. Did I tell you about the one time I took a meeting on the WAN set?

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No. I had to get a meeting. A meeting with Taryn went a little bit long.

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So I couldn't make it over the lab. I needed somewhere to sit.

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I checked the conference room, conference room taken. I don't have time to just keep checking all the different areas.

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So I just ran out of the WAN set because I knew it would be free. I had a meeting here.

02:54:36.400 --> 02:54:38.880
I had to take a picture really quick for the WAN hoodie

02:54:39.680 --> 02:54:44.000
and I picked up that sign, your A plus sign and held it in front of me.

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And there was, I think, three spiders on the back and they just left me alone.

02:54:48.080 --> 02:54:52.240
So I just held it with them there, put it back. Then while I was taking the meeting, sitting on the set,

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I saw not one but two different mice running around the set.

02:54:58.640 --> 02:55:01.920
We could use a cat. We could maybe use two cats, one for each building.

02:55:02.720 --> 02:55:09.440
Of each major building? So we used to have an employee that not only was quite allergic to cats,

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but not willing to overcome it, like not into cats.

02:55:13.200 --> 02:55:17.920
Got it. I think we would have to, maybe this could be a subject for the All Hands on Monday.

02:55:18.720 --> 02:55:21.200
Maybe we could, maybe we could just basically go.

02:55:22.160 --> 02:55:24.720
Is anyone going to Health Reasons Veto a Cat?

02:55:25.440 --> 02:55:29.600
Well, we can't do that in public. We would have to allow them to do it privately.

02:55:29.600 --> 02:55:32.720
Give us, let us know. Yeah, let us know.

02:55:32.720 --> 02:55:37.200
Yeah. But otherwise, we think we should, we think we need some cats.

02:55:37.200 --> 02:55:42.800
We could use something. The lab is infested by flies.

02:55:42.800 --> 02:55:45.840
It's been the solution for thousands of years. Yeah, literally.

02:55:45.840 --> 02:55:49.760
At this point, you know, little houses that they go into or whatever,

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we're reinventing the wheel. The wheel is a cat. Yeah.

02:55:53.040 --> 02:56:04.640
So, okay. All right. I, at this point, I'm looking at it going, okay, and if someone does object to it,

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I think I would want to kind of talk to them and go, okay, well, like, here's the issue.

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Like, are the allergies worse than, because we clearly can't get the rodents under control?

02:56:14.080 --> 02:56:18.240
Maybe. And maybe. And maybe the answer is yes. So, the answer could absolutely be yes.

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And that would be fine. Yeah. It depends on the severity. Yeah. But are the allergies worse than the risk of, like, rodent infestation being a health hazard?

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Because we've tried. We've got traps fricking everywhere. That's pretty bad.

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They are. But it's a huge space. They literally ran past one.

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So much clutter. I was trying to get a video to prove that I saw two separate mice on the WAN Show set.

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And while trying to film them, which I failed to do because they were quick,

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I didn't think of it fast enough. I saw one of the traps that they've just very clearly ran past.

02:56:49.520 --> 02:56:53.040
Yeah. All right.

02:56:53.040 --> 02:56:55.120
I think it's, I think it might be time.

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Arrakis says ferrets are better mousers and are rarely an allergy concern.

02:57:00.080 --> 02:57:03.840
Yeah, but they stink. Stinky. Yeah. Stinky litter box.

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Whereas cats are, we could get a couple of robot litter boxes.

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There's a few people that have said that would be a bad idea, but I haven't seen a single person say why I do have cat allergies.

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And it can cause massive long-term issues.

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Massive long-term issues. I've never heard of a cat allergy. Causing long-term issues.

02:57:21.600 --> 02:57:26.080
Yeah. Neither of us know what's going on. So this might just, you know, not be able to be a thing.

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Yeah. And if it's not able to be a thing, then it won't be a thing. Keep having mice or we'll put out more traps or maybe both.

02:57:32.320 --> 02:57:36.240
Yeah. Can you get one of those hairless ones?

02:57:36.240 --> 02:57:41.440
Oh, I'd be so down. It's the hair that- I'd be so down. We could get a Peterbald. Isn't it the like dandruff or whatever that's usually the issue?

02:57:41.440 --> 02:57:44.560
The dander. But they, they apparently have like way less.

02:57:46.320 --> 02:57:49.600
Yeah. Peterbald. Let's go. Hyproallergenic.

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Apparently you can also give them food, which reduces it. So maybe you get one of these and the food.

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Peterbald. Good. Look at them.

02:58:00.480 --> 02:58:04.320
It's the saliva, not the hair. Wouldn't that make it easier to deal with it?

02:58:04.320 --> 02:58:07.440
Yeah. Because they don't have to lick themselves as much, I think. The, the hairless ones.

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Peterbald. I don't know what's going on.

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They're not truly hypoallergenic because the blah, blah, blah.

02:58:17.200 --> 02:58:20.560
Well, their lack of fur can mean less shedding. And therefore fewer airborne allergens.

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A person with a cat allergy can still have a reaction to the proteins in their saliva.

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This is all AI though. So who knows. There are breeds that are supposed to have less.

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I like Elijah's plan. Can we give everyone a gun to shoot the mice? This isn't Texas.

02:58:35.040 --> 02:58:35.440
That's a-

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Airgun? It's Canada. Well, because of the marifles. Yeah. As long as it's under 495 feet per second, sure.

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No problem. They're gonna test it. Is it 495? I can't remember.

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I don't know. Paintball guns. Carrette said, I'm omega allergic to cats.

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We'll break out in hives. I imagine other people are as well.

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It's possible. Surprising to me how common that is.

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Interesting. Apparently allergies kind of had like a peak when we were kids.

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And apparently some of them are actually declining now. Like peanut allergies are on the decline now.

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Because parents are being encouraged to expose their kids earlier or something.

02:59:16.800 --> 02:59:21.120
I was reading about that the other day. Pretty wild. Yeah, dude. This is such a crazy fact.

02:59:21.760 --> 02:59:26.240
Try Lumen in full plane chat said there's no rats in Alberta. Have you seen the rat population map of the world?

02:59:26.240 --> 02:59:29.840
Yeah, it's pretty funny. It's nuts. I actually brought that up with Linus Torvalds.

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His comeback was, oh, even rats don't want to live there.

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I was like, wow, damn. Shots fired.

02:59:37.360 --> 02:59:40.400
He seems funny. I've seen some of his stuff. Oh yeah, he's super funny.

02:59:40.400 --> 02:59:46.480
Oh, there we go. There's just an Alberta sized hole.

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Incredible. Oh yeah. Wow. I did have it right. 495 FPS is the below maximum until it's considered a firearm in Canada.

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Neat. I love this website that I found.

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Cities without rodents in the world. Alberta, Canada.

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Not a city, but OK.

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Good try. Yeah. Solid effort. Yeah. Oh, man.

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Google will allow experienced users to install Android apps that were made by

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unverified developers. Google is walking back their plan to lock down sideloading on Android.

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It's good news. In August, the company announced that starting next year,

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Android users would only be able to install apps made by verified developers.

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Now Google is saying that experienced users will still be able to install apps from wherever

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they want, although it will take a few extra steps and a handful of warnings.

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Google claims that the idea here is to curb malware without completely shutting the door

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on Android's openness. The change appears to be a response to heavy pushback from developers, industry groups,

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and everyday users who just didn't love Google deciding what trusted means.

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For good reason. The discussion question here is, how do you combat companies just arbitrarily determining

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what an experienced user is or a trusted app?

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Because that's the one thing where I said, what does it mean? What are experienced users?

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Experienced user means that you can navigate some prompts.

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Basically what I'm imagining, because they've already got warnings.

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So I'm imagining that maybe you have to do something that's kind of hidden,

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like the tap five times to become a developer or whatever thing.

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That's, I'm imagining right now. Overall, I see this as a positive step and I'm going to try not to be pessimistic about it.

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You gotta get those braces fixed, man.

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When can you, when can you get it done? How long is it going to be?

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What am I supposed to do? What would you have me do? Get the, is it just the rubbers?

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Is it even that? What is going on? What, what is the effect?

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What is discovered? I do not put rubbers in my mouth. What is it?

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At least not unaccompanied. Wow.

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Wow.

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Who is it? So right now. I don't wear those. It's dentist.

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So who cares who? You have one that isn't miscolored in the middle of two that are discolored.

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So I can explain that. I can explain that.

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So right now they are, I have a stronger bar in the top than I did a week ago.

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They put like a thicker one in and in order to keep my teeth from separating,

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like shifting apart, they put what's called a power chain on it and basically,

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I know, right? Instead of individual elastics, it's a chain of elastics that holds the bar in place

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and also keeps the teeth together. So that's across the front.

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The power chain is not available in all the like fun colors that you can put on

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if you get the individual ones. As far as I know, anyway, I actually didn't ask.

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I've just been putting on the clear or the white ones up until now.

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But what's actually causing the discoloration problem. Oh yeah. So the white ones will discolor, especially with very colorful food.

03:03:16.640 --> 03:03:19.760
So the issue is that I had nothing but curry for three days.

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So. Which is wild. Well, we asked, we ordered too much and my kids didn't want it.

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So what I'm going to do, throw it away, waste it. Would you have me waste chicken?

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No. Oh, no. That's what I'm talking about. Especially not now.

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And I ate all the chicken. Good. So the chicken was consumed.

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Exactly. 100% success eating the chicken.

03:03:43.760 --> 03:03:50.960
In addition to that, I have this, I have this like semi permanent wax,

03:03:50.960 --> 03:03:56.720
like glue kind of thing that they paint on top of these brackets.

03:03:56.720 --> 03:04:01.920
And then they cure with a UV light. It seems to be pretty susceptible to curry stain.

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And that's why this one fell off. Oh wait. So it's not the power thing.

03:04:08.320 --> 03:04:12.240
So that will turn color as well, but I've only had that for a week.

03:04:12.240 --> 03:04:23.360
So it's actually the glue that's on top. And if I don't wear it, these ceramic brackets, they sit super proud off the tooth.

03:04:23.360 --> 03:04:29.680
And I don't think, yeah, I don't, I don't think you'll be able to tell, but you can go for it.

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Oh, that's rough. Oh, that's really rough. They are ludicrously sharp.

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That's rough. Like I've had braces before.

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Yeah. The metal ones. Those are, you've mentioned that they're proud off the tooth.

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Those are crazy. And so they sit prouder off the tooth and they are ridiculously sharp.

03:04:52.240 --> 03:04:55.680
And they're sharp. They have sharp corners and they're ceramic.

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They're not smooth. They have a kind of a texture.

03:04:59.360 --> 03:05:03.200
It feels like they should have been able to solve the sharpness. You would think so.

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That's nuts. I'm surprised this isn't like a more widely known issue because I can't imagine how that wouldn't irritate the inside of me.

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So as far as I can tell, the company that makes these helps there be positive media about it.

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But you can find people complaining about how sharp they are.

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But I didn't Google it. I just was like, oh yeah, I don't know, 3D printed ceramic and it's faster.

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Yeah, let's do that one. I strongly regret the choice that I made.

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The inside of my mouth is always shredded and these glue things they'll stay on.

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I can't imagine how it wouldn't be. Anywhere from a week to like a month.

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And then I, but like my ortho has been pretty good about it. I can go in.

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I can just drop in. I don't have to make an appointment. I can go in anytime and get them to reapply them.

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But literally, if it meant that my teeth could not look yellow,

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I don't even care because I'm going to have that glue on my teeth.

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And I'm going to keep eating butter chicken. So go fuck yourself.

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Is there some, can you discolor it with something else?

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Because yellow is particularly rough. Would I look better purple?

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Like what are you even getting at here? I think I should eat beets.

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I think so. Because like in your peripheral view, it's just like a glow of yellow.

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Yeah, I saw some comments. So, so there were, there were some new, some new folks watching the, uh,

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the steam frame and steam machine videos. Those were far and away out performers for our channel.

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So there's been some kind of new viewers coming in or people who haven't been around for a while.

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And so there was more than, you know, with the core audience that watches all the time,

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comments on the braces or some that I apparently don't brush my teeth.

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It's like, no, no, I brushed my teeth. I, in fact, I have to work very hard to brush my teeth

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because of my stupid orthodontics that are all over them. But it's okay.

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It'll only be another year.

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You want your teeth to be yellow for a year, dude? No.

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Yeah. I don't want it. I wonder like someone's, someone's suggested Kool-Aid.

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Kool-Aid. To color them a different color?

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Why would I do that? I'm not going to do that.

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I'm not going to do that. The green, would that be better?

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Red? What would you prefer? Pink. You pick a pink.

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Pink teeth would look better. No, that would follow your style. That would look diseased.

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Yeah. There's no proper color for teeth except white or a little bit yellow.

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Those are the only natural colors for teeth. I'm sorry. That's not a little bit yellow, dude.

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The curry was worth it. It was delicious.

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It's like the yellow in the mountain on your Starry Night shirt.

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It's like that yellow. It's, it's not slightly yellow.

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Actually, I have a bar of yellow. Hold on. It's like, it's like in here.

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You start G76. Okay.

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Outstanding. They use different recipes at some of the locations,

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so I can't really speak to any of the ones other than-

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I love that he just takes a photo standing in front of it, and it's mostly of him.

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Other than Suri's store. Yep. That's incredible.

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This guy, I- That's so good. I asked the staff if he's like this in person,

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and they were like, yep. He's just wearing a Gucci jacket in one of them.

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He is apparently- Wait, he's not in these. He is apparently exactly like this.

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That sucks. He's exactly like you would imagine.

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And this is the kind of like decor they have. I don't know if they have any pictures of the insides of the restaurants,

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but like they always have Mr. Bean playing in this one on the,

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on the TV. That's awesome. Like the animated Mr. Bean. It's, I don't know.

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It's super weird, but it's good, good curry. There's one showing up in Langley City.

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Nice. I'm excited about that. Solid. Solid.

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You start G76. Quality. My favorite Indian food place is gone.

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Oh, really? Which one? Masala Indian Bistro. Oh, bummer.

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Yeah. Yeah. My, my old favorite was actually taken over by Ustad G,

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and I got lucky because it's even better. It used to be called taste of Punjab, that one.

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And then Ustad G came in and put some artificial turf up on the walls.

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Okay. So literally every single time the full plane team visits,

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we go to Masala. Yeah. AJ is pointing out our tradition.

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We go to Masala every time because it's like a few of their favorite restaurants,

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but like especially Jonathan, but like a few of people's favorite restaurants.

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And I don't think any of them knew it was permanently closed yet. But yeah. Give me out Ustad G76.

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Maybe. Yeah, we'll have to, we'll have to do something because Masala,

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I call it Masala, but there's a bunch of, he is a G.

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It does kind of fit. It does really fit.

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Like how dye does that facial hair?

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Yeah.

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But yeah, it's gone. AJ, if you, if you, if you Google it, it's gone.

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And it was really highly rated and I honestly don't know why it's gone.

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So I hope it's for some good reason. Yeah, probably not.

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Probably not. They had a lot of people there. It was really good.

03:10:14.640 --> 03:10:21.360
Very good. Speaking of good reasons, Jack Dorsey felt he had a good reason to fund Devine,

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a Vine reboot that includes Vine's video archive and band's AI content.

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However, they're going to enforce that. Jack Dorsey is backing Devine, a reboot of Vine through his nonprofit

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and other stuff, which is interesting because Twitter owned the old Vine before shutting

03:10:39.120 --> 03:10:47.520
it down in January of 2017. The app was created by current and other stuff and former Twitter employee,

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Evan Henshaw Plath, aka Rabble, using data previously stored by archive team,

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which is also not the same as the archive.org team. Rabble was able to restore 150 to 200,000 original Vines from 60,000 creators who can

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contact him if they want to take control of their reconstructed accounts.

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Devine breaks from its short-form video brethren by banning AI-generated content.

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It'll use tech from the human rights nonprofit, The Guardian Project,

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to confirm that a clip was truly captured on a smartphone.

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I mean, okay, I wish them, does that work really good?

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Anyone? No idea. Plus, because it's built on Noster, a decentralized protocol favored by Dorsey,

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and is open source. Okay, I'm actually starting to think it might be cool. Developers can set up and create their own apps and run their own hosts,

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relays, and media servers. You know what? You know what? How did that suddenly get really cooler at the end?

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That started pretty sh**t, and now I'm open to it.

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That was really fast. I think that's about the fastest I've had my mind changed on something in recent times.

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Okay, all right, Dorsey, I'll bite.

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Not everything you've done has been super-duper amazing across the board.

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If we want another weird update that's like sort of related to this,

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this page got an update. Dig?

03:12:10.800 --> 03:12:14.880
Dig got an update. We talked about this a while ago, that they were launching Dig again,

03:12:14.880 --> 03:12:18.560
but now there's like a tagline for it. Humanity at the Core Technology at the Edges.

03:12:18.560 --> 03:12:22.880
We're building a human-first community platform that places authentic community and connection

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at the forefront from day one. I got an invite. I've been too busy to actually sign up for it, but I got an invite for this,

03:12:28.640 --> 03:12:30.800
so maybe I'll be able to check it out and we can talk about it later.

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But it's interesting.

03:12:36.640 --> 03:12:39.760
Man, Reddit has so much inertia. Oh, yeah.

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Wouldn't even describe it as momentum. It's more like inertia.

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It just has this like mass that is just, it's impossible to replicate for a new platform.

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Yeah. Our discussion question for the Vine thing, D-Vine, is how a short form video evolved

03:13:00.320 --> 03:13:03.920
since Vine's departure? I mean, honestly, is it? It's pretty similar.

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Yeah, I think it's pretty similar. It's less meme-y and funny, and it's a little bit more.

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Definitely more addictive. Yeah. Like the masters of it have had a lot more time to master it.

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Dude, it's still fascinating that Vine, sorry, ever shut down.

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Fascinating. Gotta be one of the craziest fumbles ever.

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Periscope, sure. What was its value add?

03:13:30.400 --> 03:13:34.000
Vine, though, was wild. I mean, I didn't care about Vine.

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But so many people did. Some of the most popular videos on YouTube when Vine was around was Vine compilation.

03:13:42.320 --> 03:13:46.400
Yeah, like TikTok now. It's a part of my personality. Yeah, like, yeah.

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Yeah, I don't know. Like, I have to confess, I didn't really get it. I didn't really care, didn't care about short form video.

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But it's clear that a lot of people did. I mean, I guess the idea was just to migrate those users to Twitter.

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But then it was never quite the same.

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It's just it really captured, like when we're talking Silicon Valley and capturing eyeballs,

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it like really captured eyeballs.

03:14:12.800 --> 03:14:18.000
I don't know if capping people at six seconds is still going to be interesting.

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I don't know if that's going to work. That was sort of some of its downfall.

03:14:22.160 --> 03:14:27.920
It did improve some of the quality because you actually had to construct a narrative in six seconds.

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A lot of people I've heard recently complain about TikTok because you'll, it'll be like a one minute video and they just kind of never get to the point.

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You have to construct something in six seconds. But yeah, how do you monetize it?

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CatOS points out they did get rid of that in the near the end.

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And then what's the point? It's just TikTok. But yeah, but TikTok wasn't around too slow, which is my point, which is like Vine was

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freaking huge. I mean, if you look at the people that just because Vine died,

03:14:57.440 --> 03:15:00.720
moved over to YouTube and then became massive YouTubers.

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Absolutely. They had just smash hit as much as I might not like all of them.

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They had smash hit creators on Vine. It was like a cultural phenomenon and they just shut it down.

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Wild. I mean, no one ever said Twitter was a well run company.

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At any point. At any point. I mean, that's been, your stance has been pretty, pretty clear on Twitter being a dumpster fire

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then and now. So is this really that surprising? The only thing about Twitter is that practically everyone has an account and you can DM people.

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I'm thinking about just deleting mine though. I think I just might be done.

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I still use the DM portion often enough that I don't want to get rid of it.

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It is still the easiest way for me to reach out to someone that I don't know and get a response.

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Unless that changes, I don't see myself deleting my account.

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I use Discord more than Twitter. Yeah, but how do you find the person?

03:15:59.040 --> 03:16:02.560
If I don't know the person yet. Yeah. Well, I guess I still, okay.

03:16:02.560 --> 03:16:05.280
So I have the luxury of still having the corporate Twitter if I really need to.

03:16:06.240 --> 03:16:10.160
So I could make a connection with that, which is, you know, it's verified, whatever that means

03:16:10.160 --> 03:16:13.520
these days and it's got a big follower account. So it should, you know.

03:16:14.080 --> 03:16:21.600
Yeah. And to be clear, I like really don't use it that often. But if I'm like, hmm, this one person that I know of would be like really useful to talk to

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about this one topic, but I've never actually had a contact with them.

03:16:28.240 --> 03:16:30.960
Yeah, that's totally valid. Jump on Twitter, find them.

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It's the same reason I have Facebook, except that's for getting in touch with people in your life.

03:16:36.320 --> 03:16:41.040
Yeah. That. Exactly. I see no value to Facebook anymore, except.

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Marketplace. Well, yeah. Marketplace is very enshrined now, but for only you, all the rest of us get boring marketplace

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and you get all the fun ones. No, I ruined mine. No, I actually bought some stuff and now it's ruined.

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There was someone on Reddit talking about how they were Linus training there.

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I saw that. Dude, really funny. Crazy that it worked. Immediate results.

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So sick. So sick.

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Training my market place. Just shoot an email next time that you might meet Torvalds.

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Here, here it is. One week update on my marketplace training.

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Taco Bell, nine feet tall. So good. Potential uranium glass leg.

03:17:21.440 --> 03:17:26.480
Question mark. Spirit S1 LSA, shiny plane.

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BMW 5 ton 6x6. Oh, BMW Y, excuse me.

03:17:32.320 --> 03:17:35.840
Full tank of gas for a TI-84 CE plus calculator.

03:17:38.080 --> 03:17:40.400
Vertical machining centers. Sure.

03:17:41.440 --> 03:17:46.240
Full size traffic light retired. Plastic jersey barriers.

03:17:47.120 --> 03:17:50.160
Dude, there's so much crazy stuff on Facebook marketplace.

03:17:50.160 --> 03:17:52.640
It's so cool. You just have to be brave enough to click it.

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I love, my favorite one was the potential uranium glass question mark.

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Yeah. I loved that one. Who knows what it is? Not me. So good.

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Pay me. Pay me, bitch. Like, what even is this?

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AI artist tops country music charts.

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Kind of. Kind of. I hate this title. AI generated music has routinely been charting over the past month or so,

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but the track, Walk My Walk by Breakin' Rust,

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has landed at the top of Billboard's country digital song sales chart

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with over three million streams on Spotify.

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Which is a ton, but not why it's up there.

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It should be noted, however, that the digital song sales chart is not a mainstream chart

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and only required 3,000 sales in order to be topped.

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Sales are either 150 streams or a purchase from iTunes.

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This means you can easily top the chart with an iTunes gift card and some bots.

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And this is what I was going to add to this topic that I don't see in the comments,

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but a lot of the comments on it are clearly bought.

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Botted. Definitely. Clearly. And if you're going to bot comments,

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why not bot streams?

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Yeah. As an example, Disturbs Cover of the Sound of Silence,

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which is an awful cover, says Adam Sondergaard. I'm not taking a position on this,

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has been at the top of the Alternative Digital Song Sales Chart for 400 weeks.

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That's a few. That's wild. That is a few. Casual eight years.

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Another AI artist, Zania Monet, has been making headlines after signing a $3 million record deal.

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And her gospel track, Let's Go, Let's Go, garnering millions of views across platforms.

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That's not it.

03:19:37.680 --> 03:19:40.720
That's not the title of the song. What is it?

03:19:40.720 --> 03:19:42.800
Oh, Let Go Let God. Sorry.

03:19:44.400 --> 03:19:47.680
Yeah, that makes more sense. That doesn't actually make a lot more sense.

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Or wait, I guess it kind of does. Let go.

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So it's Jesus take the wheel.

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Which is why, as far as my understanding is, not the lessons you're supposed to take.

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But I mean, it's been a while.

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So I could be wrong. You could be. I wouldn't presume to.

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To me, it's fascinating having a AI artist do religious songs.

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There's got it. There's something in there somewhere. Something in there somewhere.

03:20:18.640 --> 03:20:22.400
Yep. Yep. Discussion questions.

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Would you go to the concert of a virtual artist?

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I mean. No. No.

03:20:30.240 --> 03:20:34.080
Okay, cool. Next question. How is this different from bands like Gorillas?

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What about Hatsune Miku, which performs songs written by a community?

03:20:37.360 --> 03:20:42.080
Well, it's different because humans crafted that.

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Whereas this didn't. Next question. Can there be true artistic intent behind AI music?

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Artistic intent. Okay, well, hold on a second. I could see a poet making an argument

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that if they human crafted lyrics and then an AI like generated song, something to them,

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there was at least some, there was less than, there was more than zero.

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Dirt Dragon raises a very interesting point.

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All right, hit me. We should make, we should need,

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we probably won't even need to make it happen. It'll just happen. But if it doesn't just happen,

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we should make the Riley. I'm taking a bathroom break.

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Top the charts. What, by botting it? Yeah.

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You want to improve AI adoption? Yeah. Might as well use it for evil.

03:21:25.040 --> 03:21:28.720
I mean, good. Yeah. Sometimes they might be the same.

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Yeah. He just left. Should we do something?

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There's some topics in here that are not fully planned out. So I won't do those.

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What do we do? It's not normal to have him just leave randomly.

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I mean, does he not want to talk about this?

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Interesting. I can talk about this other topic.

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Sony announced a cheaper Japanese language only PS5 exclusive to Japan.

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And they also revealed a PlayStation monitor.

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The PlayStation monitor is wild. We'll talk about that in a second.

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Sony announced a cheaper Japanese blah blah blah, all that kind of stuff.

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It's the first time they've region locked a console since the PS2 back in the year 2000.

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Like Nintendo's Japan only Switch 2 model, this special PS5 is Sony's attempt

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at making the console more affordable domestically.

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Sony also announced a PlayStation branded gaming monitor. The 2560 by 1440 monitor has an IPS panel

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and a 240 Hertz refresh rate. But the 240 Hertz refresh is only available

03:22:37.760 --> 03:22:41.040
when hooked up to a PC. Which is...

03:22:41.840 --> 03:22:44.880
What? Very interesting. What does that mean?

03:22:44.880 --> 03:22:48.560
It just runs at 120 Hertz when connected to PlayStation consoles.

03:22:50.400 --> 03:22:53.200
Huh. And it has a DualSense charging hook.

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They are publishing their games on Steam and PC now.

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This is maybe not that weird. The whole industry is getting very strange.

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What is happening? Xbox is being the weirdest out of all of it.

03:23:05.120 --> 03:23:08.720
We're going to hit Xbox on the GameCube. It's like...

03:23:10.000 --> 03:23:12.720
It's a weird one. I don't know what's happening.

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Sony hasn't priced the monitor. They don't quote response times or brightness.

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And even Sony's quoted HDR capability is vague at best.

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With PC gamers saying that the monitor doesn't seem like a hugely compelling proposition for PC gaming.

03:23:32.880 --> 03:23:36.800
Interesting. But we don't even know the price. That's interesting.

03:23:37.760 --> 03:23:41.280
Discussion question. Do you have any memorable experiences with region locked products?

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If yes, tell us your tales. If you don't have any anecdotes.

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What are your opinions on region locking in general?

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I don't like region locking. I am conflicted on the it's cheaper domestically thing.

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I think it's kind of based. Even though I'm not going to benefit from it.

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And then how do you do that? While actually making it so that it's cheaper for everyone

03:24:05.680 --> 03:24:08.400
because they just order the the ones in Japan.

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So I don't know. But in general, I think region locking is kind of bad

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because it promotes e-waste problems.

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What do you think? Yeah, I think so.

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I mean, these days it's just kind of strange to region lock anything.

03:24:25.040 --> 03:24:28.480
It seems extremely unnecessary. The whole world is super global now.

03:24:28.480 --> 03:24:30.960
Yeah, power and NTSC is no longer a thing.

03:24:31.600 --> 03:24:38.880
No, no. I mean, my thought would be taxes, export, that sort of stuff.

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You know, I know Japan is a little strange in some regards.

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I mean, there's talk of flying to Japan to get things cheaper

03:24:50.000 --> 03:24:54.400
than you could just importing them, which is which is very odd.

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I wonder if that has to do with it. Sorry, I thought you were done talking about something. Go for it.

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Binky draws. I can't see you. I was about to say it's really hard.

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Binky draws says, is it actually region locked or is it only sold in one region?

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And I don't technically know. But it says in here region locked,

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which would make me think it's not just only sold there.

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Another discussion, discussion question. What comes to mind is your favorite unexpected console

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branded product or peripherals, the, you know, PlayStation,

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3D TV, Gamecube or Dreamcast, keyboard, et cetera.

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And I don't think I have one.

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That's very boring. But I think it's true.

03:25:38.240 --> 03:25:41.440
Very few come to mind. Because it specifically says unexpected.

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So I would traditionally say just like Xbox controllers because I like them so much more than PlayStation.

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What about that KFC thing? Was that real?

03:25:49.440 --> 03:25:53.840
That's also. Or is that no, that's the opposite.

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Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Darn, I'm trying to think of anything.

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Full-plane chat, do you have anything? I don't think I have an example. I don't have an example at all.

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Oops. Oh, well. But yeah, that's kind of funky and weird.

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What is your thought on them making it cheaper in Japan?

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What do you think about that? Well, that's kind of cool. That makes me think that is definitely

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some sort of like, you know, export thing.

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Yeah, I feel like if there was a Canadian company and they made it cheaper for Canadians,

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I would think that was cool. I'm fine with that.

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I think if they're basically sacrificing their like margins

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locally and putting it up elsewhere, that's fine.

03:26:35.200 --> 03:26:37.280
Sacrifice, is that when you pretend to kill someone?

03:26:38.240 --> 03:26:42.720
To appease the gods? Yeah, it sounds like it. Or do you actually kill someone to appease a fake god?

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Sacrifice.

03:26:47.280 --> 03:26:50.480
I think it could be either. Maybe it's one of those words with two definitions. Did I interrupt?

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Only slightly. PlayStation 5 exclusive version in Japan,

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it's region locked, but it's cheaper. Also, they released a monitor.

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Region locks are anti-consumer and should always be objected to.

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Yeah, it's cheaper for them. Just like naming it the same thing

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when it's actually a different product, we should always object to that.

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It's cheaper for them. So I think this is their way of making it cheaper for Japanese people.

03:27:14.560 --> 03:27:15.520
Why is it cheaper for them?

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This is fairly normal in Japan. If it's only sold in Japan and it's cheaper?

03:27:22.320 --> 03:27:26.080
No, I mean, what do you mean it's cheaper for them? Like for Sony?

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This region, no, for Japanese people. People in Japan.

03:27:30.080 --> 03:27:34.880
Okay. But you can only use it in Japan or with Japanese games or other stuff.

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If we're interpreting the region lock thing correctly, which I think we are. No, it's still anti-consumer.

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Yeah. They should just sell it for like more cheaper in Japan if they really want to.

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But then that's going to get abused immediately, obviously.

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But then like if they can afford to sell it for that much, then they should just do that.

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That's obviously not how that works. You know that. I mean, even shipping something out of Japan,

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like it would have to be markedly cheaper for it to not make more sense to just.

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That's fair. Buy it somewhere else when it's been shipped in bulk. I don't know how much the discount is.

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5,500, 55,000 yen.

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Let's convert that.

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USD. Wow, that's really cheap. 355 compared to the normal one was, is this a pro or is it normal?

03:28:22.240 --> 03:28:25.840
I think it's normal. Digital edition. So it's the non-disk normal one.

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Yeah, it's still 350 bucks. Okay. Yeah. I think that's normally 500.

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People would buy them in bulk and ship them overseas.

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All right, I'm thinking.

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How else could you do this? I don't think you can.

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I don't like that there's region locking. I agree. I think it's anti-consumer as well.

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I don't like it. I think it's a bad contributor to things like e-waste and just not good things in general.

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Yeah. But I also think it's kind of cool that they're offering a domestic discount.

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I'd be okay with it. If they committed to unlock it, like when it's a lot of years down the line.

03:29:06.400 --> 03:29:09.360
Yeah. That's cool. I like that. I think that would be a good compromise.

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If the PS6 launches, you unlock all them.

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Thinking. Or like a year into the PS6 being around.

03:29:23.760 --> 03:29:30.800
Okay. How would you feel about a device that rather than being region locked was cheaper up front

03:29:31.680 --> 03:29:33.360
but the games were more expensive?

03:29:35.120 --> 03:29:37.600
What about a global unlock code?

03:29:38.320 --> 03:29:41.520
If you have it in Japan, it's region locked. I'm just chit-chatting now.

03:29:42.240 --> 03:29:48.000
Oh, so this has nothing to do with- What if they had a $300 PlayStation 5 but every game cost like $20 more?

03:29:49.200 --> 03:29:52.720
Knowing that most people will buy like between five and a dozen games or whatever.

03:29:52.720 --> 03:29:58.320
So they make their money in the longer term. But it's basically, it's choose your own adventure on whether you want one that's priced

03:29:58.320 --> 03:30:02.160
profitably in the first place with cheaper games or whether you want one that's priced

03:30:02.160 --> 03:30:04.640
cheaper but you know you're going to pay more for the games.

03:30:07.520 --> 03:30:14.320
If you still had the option to buy the full price one, would you object to them having like a cheaper subsidized game one?

03:30:14.320 --> 03:30:19.040
I don't think so if you still had the option. There's definitely people that will buy a console for two games.

03:30:20.160 --> 03:30:23.520
Yeah. Even one game in certain cases. So-

03:30:23.520 --> 03:30:29.680
That was fascinating to me when I first found out that there was like people who would play StarCraft and not video games.

03:30:29.680 --> 03:30:34.880
They would just play StarCraft. There was no other video games that they ever played.

03:30:35.520 --> 03:30:39.840
It was like, oh wow. And then I started realizing that that was true for a bunch of different games.

03:30:39.840 --> 03:30:41.360
I just first discovered it was StarCraft.

03:30:43.200 --> 03:30:48.400
My life for hire. See, I thought they were mercenaries.

03:30:48.400 --> 03:30:50.800
My life for hire? For the longest time. Did you actually? Yeah.

03:30:53.280 --> 03:30:54.640
That's fairly reasonable.

03:30:56.400 --> 03:31:01.120
I never really thought about that, but yeah, it does kind of sound like hire.

03:31:01.120 --> 03:31:05.680
I didn't know what zealot meant. So I just, yeah, I just thought-

03:31:05.680 --> 03:31:09.200
Zealot, I'm pretty sure is the right way to say it. I'm fairly certain I said zealot.

03:31:09.200 --> 03:31:12.880
Oh, 100% did. Yeah. So many years. 100%.

03:31:12.880 --> 03:31:13.760
So many years.

03:31:18.320 --> 03:31:24.320
Anyways, I don't think there's much more unpacking of that. I really like the idea of the region lock just being timed though.

03:31:24.320 --> 03:31:27.600
I think that's really cool. I like that a lot.

03:31:27.600 --> 03:31:32.640
It's pretty funny that the monitor only runs at its maximum capabilities hooked up to a PC.

03:31:33.440 --> 03:31:36.720
All right. Cool. Well, did you guys already talk through this? Yeah. Okay.

03:31:36.720 --> 03:31:39.120
All right. Cool. I'm looking to close that then. What else we got?

03:31:42.800 --> 03:31:45.600
There's lots. Yeah, there is. There's so much.

03:31:46.560 --> 03:31:54.480
We can do here a couple rapid fire topics. A group of US lawyers has documented 509 cases of AI misuse in court filings.

03:31:54.480 --> 03:32:02.800
No notes. That's terrible. That's rough. The UK is probing whether Chinese made Yutong electric buses on British roads can be remotely

03:32:03.360 --> 03:32:04.000
disabled.

03:32:07.920 --> 03:32:14.560
Yeah. So this is bad because Norway discovered that its Chinese made buses can be remotely turned off

03:32:14.560 --> 03:32:15.760
by the manufacturer.

03:32:18.160 --> 03:32:22.960
This needs to not be a thing and not specifically because these buses are made in China.

03:32:23.520 --> 03:32:29.680
But again, because like calling a product the same thing or region locking, it's just bad.

03:32:30.480 --> 03:32:36.640
When you buy something, you bought it. From anywhere. And you should have easy access to find information about it.

03:32:36.640 --> 03:32:39.680
And you should have the right to use it in whatever the country you want.

03:32:40.960 --> 03:32:44.800
That's it. I object your honor.

03:32:48.720 --> 03:32:55.440
What else we got? Hackers. Speaking of right to repair and right to use things you bought.

03:32:55.440 --> 03:32:59.840
Hackers are reviving Google's discontinued Nest thermostats with an open source project

03:32:59.840 --> 03:33:03.440
called No Longer Evil. Yes. Amazing name.

03:33:03.440 --> 03:33:10.880
Hard to believe. Incredible name. Google recently abandoned their Nest thermostats, making them no longer smart because Google

03:33:10.880 --> 03:33:14.080
moved them to end of life and ripped functionality out of them.

03:33:14.080 --> 03:33:16.240
They were launched between 2011 and 2014.

03:33:17.200 --> 03:33:25.200
Cody Kosiemba? Has personal incentive to revive these thermostats due to prior clashes with Google,

03:33:25.200 --> 03:33:32.320
but also a possible $15,000 financial incentive from Fulu to bring bricked devices back to life.

03:33:33.680 --> 03:33:38.800
This is cool. The thermostat believes that it is communicating with the official Nest infrastructure,

03:33:38.800 --> 03:33:42.480
but instead connects to the no longer evil platform.

03:33:42.480 --> 03:33:46.160
This approach ensures full compatibility with the device's existing software

03:33:46.160 --> 03:33:49.200
while breaking free from Google's cloud dependency.

03:33:49.680 --> 03:33:53.520
The firmware images and back in API server code will be open sourced soon,

03:33:53.520 --> 03:33:57.600
allowing the community to audit, improve, and self-host their own infrastructure.

03:33:57.600 --> 03:34:04.160
How cool is this? The firmware upgrade from GitHub is still in the development stage, so the usual precautions apply,

03:34:04.160 --> 03:34:09.440
but it can be easily integrated into Home Assistant using MQTT or REST APIs.

03:34:09.440 --> 03:34:14.240
After applying the firmware, the user will be met with a new greeting, now made with 100% less evil.

03:34:14.800 --> 03:34:19.760
Freaking love it. And our discussion question is, should right to repair regulations be updated

03:34:19.760 --> 03:34:23.040
to include rules that provide immortality for evil devices?

03:34:23.040 --> 03:34:26.880
The answer is yes, it needs to be done yesterday.

03:34:26.880 --> 03:34:32.320
This needs to be dealt with instead of whatever the crap it is that legislators are doing right now.

03:34:34.720 --> 03:34:41.840
Oh, there's more bad news though. Memory prices are set to skyrocket due to demand from AI data centers.

03:34:41.840 --> 03:34:50.880
This was prepared by Mr. Pankratz. Sandisk has reportedly raised its NAND flash price contracts by 50% for November.

03:34:52.000 --> 03:34:56.320
Numerous module makers have paused shipments to re-evaluate their quotes.

03:34:56.880 --> 03:35:00.880
Transcend has suspended quoting and deliveries starting November 7th,

03:35:00.880 --> 03:35:04.960
anticipating, this is a quote, favorable market conditions.

03:35:05.680 --> 03:35:09.760
This comes as the memory market is being dominated by demand from AI data centers

03:35:09.760 --> 03:35:15.360
and constrained wafer supply. So this is a really important point for folks that are looking at this going,

03:35:15.360 --> 03:35:20.000
well, why is DDR4 RAM affected? That's older. Why is gamer memory affected?

03:35:20.000 --> 03:35:25.360
It's because you still make RAM out of the same wafer,

03:35:25.360 --> 03:35:31.040
whether it's going into a server or a phone or a laptop or a gaming computer

03:35:31.040 --> 03:35:37.520
or whatever the case may be. Okay, that's not quite true. Like DDR4 RAM might actually not necessarily be made on the latest nodes.

03:35:37.520 --> 03:35:42.720
But still, in general, you are constrained by how much fab time there is.

03:35:44.880 --> 03:35:48.560
So in response to constrained wafer supply, oh, it's the wafer supply specifically.

03:35:48.560 --> 03:35:52.240
Okay, so it would be constrained by supply of the actual wafer,

03:35:52.240 --> 03:35:58.560
so that would affect any manufacturing process. So in response, manufacturers have shifted their production focus away

03:35:58.560 --> 03:36:03.040
from products like consumer SSDs and DDR4 to more profitable DDR5 and HBM.

03:36:03.040 --> 03:36:07.200
This is causing a Ryzen pricing across all memory related products.

03:36:07.840 --> 03:36:11.600
Here's an interesting memory price trend page from PC Part Picker.

03:36:12.560 --> 03:36:15.280
Whoopsie doodles. Here's the last 18 months.

03:36:15.920 --> 03:36:18.560
Stable, stable, stable, stable, stable. Oh, no!

03:36:20.080 --> 03:36:23.280
DDR4 3600. Stable, stable, down, down, down.

03:36:23.280 --> 03:36:24.560
Up, up, stable, stable, stable.

03:36:27.600 --> 03:36:28.960
Yeah, so this blows.

03:36:35.760 --> 03:36:42.480
Neat. While customers are left scrambling to adapt, transcend,

03:36:42.480 --> 03:36:46.960
InnoDisk and A-Pacer are reporting revenue increases exceeding 60% year over year for Q3.

03:36:47.840 --> 03:36:51.360
So bully for them, I suppose. Discussion question is,

03:36:51.360 --> 03:36:55.760
if you're looking to purchase FlashTorger RAM, would you aim to buy now or try to wait it out?

03:36:55.760 --> 03:36:57.920
You could be waiting it out a very long time.

03:37:00.400 --> 03:37:04.160
AI data center demand won't collapse until the bubble pops.

03:37:04.160 --> 03:37:06.640
And what does it, what does it they say?

03:37:07.280 --> 03:37:10.800
The market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent.

03:37:10.800 --> 03:37:19.440
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Fun times. In other news, AI-powered Russian humanoid robot walks on stage and falls on its face.

03:37:20.240 --> 03:37:26.000
Sounds about right. All the non-Russian ones are held up by chains and cables.

03:37:26.000 --> 03:37:31.760
So I don't know who's doing better. I don't think that's true. Unitry looks pretty impressive at this point.

03:37:32.640 --> 03:37:36.320
Here's a video over on... Unitry. Yeah. Unitry's dope.

03:37:37.040 --> 03:37:39.040
Here's a video from Blue Sky.

03:37:42.000 --> 03:37:44.800
Wow, this is very far behind. Oh boy.

03:37:46.640 --> 03:37:50.080
And... Oh wow.

03:37:50.080 --> 03:37:53.360
Oh wow. And there it goes.

03:37:53.360 --> 03:37:55.760
Oh! Oh!

03:37:56.800 --> 03:38:01.360
It's funny, you could tell they knew it was screwed. Yeah, you could tell that it's Russian

03:38:01.360 --> 03:38:03.920
because it had some vodka before it went out on stage. Wow.

03:38:05.600 --> 03:38:08.240
Wow. Wow.

03:38:09.280 --> 03:38:14.000
The creators accompanying the robot and some crew immediately try to pull the robot off stage

03:38:14.000 --> 03:38:17.120
and hide broken leftover pieces with a large black cloth.

03:38:17.120 --> 03:38:22.400
After Aldal, that's the name of the robot, threw itself off a building.

03:38:22.400 --> 03:38:24.160
Sorry, I mean fell over on the stage.

03:38:28.400 --> 03:38:31.760
Oh, here's another fun one. This is another kind of rapid fire one.

03:38:31.760 --> 03:38:33.680
We sponsored a smaller creator.

03:38:35.760 --> 03:38:38.960
Rude. You might have heard of them. Oh my god.

03:38:40.400 --> 03:38:45.760
Ads. Love it. Hey, but this is also a much smaller sponsorship watching their ad.

03:38:50.000 --> 03:38:50.960
Hold on, I gotta find it.

03:38:55.440 --> 03:38:59.440
I actually don't know where the... Wow, there it is. Hey, you might know this guy.

03:39:00.720 --> 03:39:07.120
I think I've seen him before. I've seen some very interesting speculation that we are like on terrible terms or something

03:39:07.120 --> 03:39:10.800
with people who leave the team or, you know, whatever.

03:39:10.800 --> 03:39:18.480
It is our earnest goal to be on good terms with anyone who departs here.

03:39:18.480 --> 03:39:26.560
And it is our genuine wish that they continue to be successful outside of LMG.

03:39:27.440 --> 03:39:29.360
I mean, look at it this way.

03:39:31.280 --> 03:39:36.000
Let's assume that I was entirely driven by my own narcissistic ego.

03:39:37.040 --> 03:39:38.560
Assume. Let's assume that.

03:39:40.400 --> 03:39:43.360
We don't know that, but let's assume it.

03:39:44.880 --> 03:39:50.000
Would I want someone to have a five-year career or 10-year career here

03:39:50.400 --> 03:39:56.400
and not come out with useful skills such that they could be a success?

03:39:56.400 --> 03:40:00.720
Right. It would just speak more well to you if they did.

03:40:00.720 --> 03:40:04.880
How would that reflect on me and this organization?

03:40:04.880 --> 03:40:07.920
The company, yeah. I mean, I'm always talking about it.

03:40:07.920 --> 03:40:10.720
World-class team, you know?

03:40:12.720 --> 03:40:17.440
Let's assume the worst possible set of assumptions about me.

03:40:18.160 --> 03:40:25.360
Even then, would I have an interest in people flying free and then falling flat on their faces?

03:40:25.360 --> 03:40:30.320
If it's worst possible assumptions, then sure, but I'm extrapolating this a little bit too far.

03:40:31.360 --> 03:40:36.400
I mean, okay. I mean, the worst possible reasonable assumptions about my character.

03:40:36.400 --> 03:40:37.680
Oh, you added reasonable, though.

03:40:39.680 --> 03:40:44.320
Okay. What assumptions could you make about my character such that I would want Alex and Andy to fail?

03:40:45.280 --> 03:40:48.400
If it's worst possible assumptions that I could make anything,

03:40:49.920 --> 03:40:53.440
you just hate people and everyone and you want...

03:40:53.440 --> 03:40:58.160
It's like that quote of my success means nothing if others do not also fail.

03:40:59.040 --> 03:41:00.000
Have you heard that before?

03:41:02.240 --> 03:41:05.920
But my success can also be measured by the success of people that I...

03:41:05.920 --> 03:41:09.440
No, I agree. I agree. You said worst possible assumptions. I guess.

03:41:10.160 --> 03:41:12.720
That would be terrible. There's people like that.

03:41:14.480 --> 03:41:16.640
Okay. I mean, that's really stupid.

03:41:19.280 --> 03:41:24.320
Anyway, yeah. So the point is I'm very excited.

03:41:24.320 --> 03:41:35.040
This is actually not the only move that you guys will see.

03:41:35.040 --> 03:41:43.360
We've got some pretty cool... I don't want to spoil anything because I don't want to take any of the wind out of the sales of the people who are going to be...

03:41:44.240 --> 03:41:47.280
doing their own... Because that's the thing, right?

03:41:47.280 --> 03:41:51.680
Is they're on their own. They're doing their own thing, which I'm very pro-entrepreneurship.

03:41:51.680 --> 03:41:56.080
I've always been pro-small creators. I've always been pro-consumer.

03:41:56.080 --> 03:42:03.040
I've always been pro-entrepreneurship. So I want to see people spread their wings and fly and I want to let them kind of

03:42:03.040 --> 03:42:08.000
talk about the partnership in their own authentic voice before I go and put any words in their mouth.

03:42:08.000 --> 03:42:10.800
But this will not be the last.

03:42:11.040 --> 03:42:22.240
This will not be the last sort of collaboration slash partnership with people who used to be on payroll and no longer are.

03:42:22.240 --> 03:42:30.160
It might not be hard to stretch that far, considering you did personally go out of your way to make us

03:42:30.160 --> 03:42:42.320
that I couldn't meet Linus Torvalds. You know that even if only 0.1% of people are stupid enough to believe you right now,

03:42:43.920 --> 03:42:45.840
that is still 10 people.

03:42:47.520 --> 03:42:50.800
So you fucked me. Right now. Way to go. But there's also the VOD.

03:42:50.800 --> 03:42:54.400
You fucked me 10 times. Plus the VOD. That's not enough.

03:42:55.600 --> 03:42:58.480
I gotta pump those numbers up. The rookie numbers.

03:43:02.480 --> 03:43:05.280
Oh man. That's cool. I think that's awesome.

03:43:09.920 --> 03:43:11.920
Very cool. People have any questions?

03:43:15.120 --> 03:43:19.200
Mu asks, is LMG becoming a creator university you get paid to be at?

03:43:20.240 --> 03:43:24.320
I don't know. I mean we've talked about this. Is that the worst thing? We've talked about this a fair bit lately, right?

03:43:24.320 --> 03:43:26.240
Like what is my legacy? Yeah.

03:43:27.440 --> 03:43:33.200
If that happens, but we get, you know, if company hat firmly on, if we get good value out of them

03:43:33.200 --> 03:43:39.200
while they're here, and then. If they fly free, why shouldn't we be happy about that?

03:43:39.200 --> 03:43:44.320
People do leave companies. We have existed for so long at this point.

03:43:44.320 --> 03:43:49.680
Yeah, 13 years. And like if we want to keep existing for say that amount of time longer,

03:43:50.480 --> 03:43:57.200
people are going to continue to leave. That's what it is a fact of having companies basically.

03:43:57.200 --> 03:44:02.480
There are some people as well that like they just have it in their veins that they're going to be

03:44:02.480 --> 03:44:06.160
running their own thing. They're going to be an entrepreneur at some point. Yeah, they're just born to be an entrepreneur.

03:44:06.160 --> 03:44:12.000
That's fine. That's good. We want them here. Sure. If they want to be here. If they want to hang out for a while, have some drive grow.

03:44:12.000 --> 03:44:16.080
They tend to be motivated people. You're probably going to be here for at least a few years.

03:44:16.080 --> 03:44:22.480
They tend to be innovators. We will have definitely gained things as a company from you in that time.

03:44:23.920 --> 03:44:33.600
And then you can fly free if you want. And look, I'm not necessarily looking for suggestions for people for us to work with.

03:44:34.480 --> 03:44:37.760
We make a good faith effort to part on good terms with everybody.

03:44:37.760 --> 03:44:40.960
That doesn't necessarily mean that we succeed every time.

03:44:41.920 --> 03:44:48.000
And Adora is never completely shut, almost never completely shut.

03:44:52.320 --> 03:44:57.920
But we're definitely going to make the call in terms of who we are interested in partnering with.

03:44:58.720 --> 03:45:01.920
Because you look at the way that we choose our sponsors,

03:45:02.640 --> 03:45:08.880
it's going to be the same kind of thing. We're going to just like we partner with sponsors who we believe have strong character

03:45:08.880 --> 03:45:12.960
and we hold them accountable in the same way the people that we're going to partner with

03:45:12.960 --> 03:45:17.040
in terms of sponsorships, we're going to be selective.

03:45:17.040 --> 03:45:22.240
And that applies across the board, whether someone's a former employee or whether someone isn't.

03:45:22.960 --> 03:45:28.080
You can expect to see in general a lot more creator sponsorships coming from us in the coming

03:45:28.080 --> 03:45:34.560
months. And I'm actually super stoked about it. It's pretty cool to kind of go full circle

03:45:35.280 --> 03:45:38.000
from being the the sponsor to the sponsor.

03:45:38.720 --> 03:45:42.160
It's weird. It's super weird. It's very weird.

03:45:42.160 --> 03:45:47.200
It's weird looking at a video from the other end, if that makes sense.

03:45:47.200 --> 03:45:52.960
Yeah. And like, and like, I don't have to do the negotiations on this stuff myself, right?

03:45:52.960 --> 03:45:59.120
But like obviously, you know, for me to kind of just throw the money out there

03:45:59.680 --> 03:46:02.720
and hope that the end product, you know, and my team is, you know,

03:46:02.720 --> 03:46:06.800
making sure that everything goes smoothly and their link is correct.

03:46:06.800 --> 03:46:10.000
Yeah, exactly. Like always like little stupid things that we know we have to deal with on our side and

03:46:10.000 --> 03:46:14.960
just kind of seeing it from the, from the brand side. It's really weird.

03:46:14.960 --> 03:46:19.040
Yeah. I was trying to scroll through his video to find the sponsorship on my own laptop and I,

03:46:19.040 --> 03:46:23.760
and I found it and I want to watch this with sound because his intro into it looks funny.

03:46:23.760 --> 03:46:29.600
But this is extremely unrelated, but he talks about Assetto Corsa.

03:46:32.480 --> 03:46:38.320
Assetto Corsa, yeah. They have a new game that's in early access right now

03:46:39.760 --> 03:46:43.680
called Assetto Corsa Rally that I'm like really hyped for.

03:46:45.280 --> 03:46:48.880
Have you played it at all? I haven't. I got to get my Simrig set up.

03:46:48.880 --> 03:46:56.480
You have to tell me how this is. Yeah. Because I used to love the dirt games, but when's the last dirt that came out?

03:46:56.480 --> 03:47:05.040
Well, I mean, I'm a dirt one stand. Second one was kind of not as good in my eyes, but having it in an Assetto Corsa engine is

03:47:05.040 --> 03:47:08.640
going to be amazing. I am very, very excited.

03:47:10.000 --> 03:47:14.880
There's, I read the reviews. There was some comments on it, like, you know, they don't have the physics dialed yet and

03:47:14.880 --> 03:47:21.040
stuff like that. So I'm interested in hearing what you have to say. And this is what I use VR for all the time.

03:47:21.280 --> 03:47:26.880
That's why I kind of like that high end tethered experience. Like, dude, this is what I meant when I was like, I don't know that I'm really going to

03:47:26.880 --> 03:47:31.440
regret buying the big screen beyond because if I can wear the big screen beyond to play this.

03:47:31.440 --> 03:47:37.840
That's what I wanted for, you know, the heavy index does get kind of like

03:47:38.400 --> 03:47:40.880
irritating when you're rapidly shoulder checking.

03:47:42.240 --> 03:47:45.760
Right. Yeah. Right. Because I do some eye racing on the side too.

03:47:45.760 --> 03:47:50.080
And like, you're basically like sitting there whipping your head about for three,

03:47:50.080 --> 03:47:52.480
four hours straight sometimes and it gets exhausting.

03:47:53.120 --> 03:47:56.800
Yeah. Sorry. I know that was quite the gear shift.

03:47:59.680 --> 03:48:07.680
But I'm very, I'm very hyped for that game. I was going to steam to look for the official page for the new hardware they're launching

03:48:07.680 --> 03:48:10.560
and that came up first for me. And I was like, oh, nice.

03:48:11.680 --> 03:48:15.200
Anyways, yeah, it's exciting. I like the idea. I got to check that out.

03:48:15.200 --> 03:48:19.920
Yes. Yes. I haven't had a functional computer in a, well, desktop in a very long time.

03:48:19.920 --> 03:48:23.440
So who knows, but it's, it's cool.

03:48:23.440 --> 03:48:27.840
I like the idea of working with creators that have worked here in the past.

03:48:27.840 --> 03:48:34.800
I like the idea of fostering those relationships. I like this concept that like if we last for a long time, we might end up building our own kind

03:48:34.800 --> 03:48:42.400
of like ecosystem of creators around here. I don't know if our own is fair enough to say, but like we could end up contributing towards

03:48:42.960 --> 03:48:46.240
an ecosystem of creators around here because, you know, like there's many,

03:48:46.880 --> 03:48:53.040
but there aren't like a ton in our space, at least creators in the tech technology,

03:48:53.040 --> 03:49:01.280
DC area. So just like effectively kind of contributing towards that being more of a thing would be

03:49:01.280 --> 03:49:04.400
pretty cool. Canada Tech Creator Valley. Sure.

03:49:05.120 --> 03:49:07.280
Sweet. It sounds awesome to me.

03:49:08.960 --> 03:49:16.000
Yeah. I don't need a new computer. It's my, my apartment is effectively non functional, meaning my computer is like

03:49:16.480 --> 03:49:22.160
put away right now. All right. I think it's time for land show after dark.

03:49:22.160 --> 03:49:32.160
Are we done all the topics? Did we do it? We're done. We did it. All right.

03:49:36.560 --> 03:49:38.560
Heck yeah. Let's go.

03:49:39.600 --> 03:49:43.520
What? Oh, I just thought you might read a merch message.

03:49:43.520 --> 03:49:47.440
I was making it. He's getting purple. He's doing work.

03:49:47.440 --> 03:49:48.880
Oh, I thought I curated this one.

03:49:50.720 --> 03:49:54.880
The one thing I couldn't get out of Linus T was I couldn't get him to say,

03:49:55.440 --> 03:49:57.120
I'd like to interject for a moment.

03:50:01.120 --> 03:50:04.320
He didn't like, he didn't think it was funny. And I was like, okay.

03:50:05.360 --> 03:50:07.520
Well, actually I wasn't like, okay, I tried really hard.

03:50:08.960 --> 03:50:12.560
I think I overheard some of that. I was getting more and more upset for you.

03:50:13.520 --> 03:50:17.520
No, no. Yes, it was Stallman, but that's exactly what's funny about it.

03:50:17.520 --> 03:50:23.840
It's Stallman was, the point is, I tried to get him to do, I was going to refer to him.

03:50:23.840 --> 03:50:27.280
I was going to refer to myself as Linus and I wanted him to say,

03:50:27.280 --> 03:50:33.040
I'd like to interject for a moment what you're referring to as Linus is in fact, Linus, or as I've taken to calling it.

03:50:33.680 --> 03:50:36.800
But like, he was just like, I don't think it's funny. I'm like, okay.

03:50:37.840 --> 03:50:40.960
I see what you're going for. I can understand him not thinking that's funny.

03:50:40.960 --> 03:50:44.080
Yeah. I thought it was very funny though. Yeah.

03:50:44.080 --> 03:50:47.280
So I tried. I tried. I almost died on that hill. Sure.

03:50:47.280 --> 03:50:50.640
Fortunately, he didn't just pack his bags and leave. Yeah.

03:50:50.640 --> 03:50:55.360
It was not worth actually dying on, but I can definitely appreciate an effort.

03:50:55.360 --> 03:50:59.760
Sammy fucked me by like not getting the reference. And I was like, no, no, people will get the reference.

03:50:59.760 --> 03:51:05.120
It'll be really funny. And I was like, Sammy, Sammy, you're dying to like internet.

03:51:05.120 --> 03:51:08.640
But he like didn't know I'd like to interject for a moment.

03:51:08.640 --> 03:51:12.080
Sammy's dialed into brain rot. It's not the same thing.

03:51:12.080 --> 03:51:15.440
Terrible. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

03:51:15.440 --> 03:51:18.000
It completely fucked me on that one. Okay.

03:51:19.120 --> 03:51:22.960
Buying the computer, the commuter bag for my wife.

03:51:22.960 --> 03:51:26.320
A soon to be doctor of physical therapy. Nice.

03:51:26.320 --> 03:51:33.520
A good professional backpack. Nice. Do either of you have any funny or interesting stories about physical therapists?

03:51:33.520 --> 03:51:36.480
Physical therapy humor, Dan. What are you even trying to do right now?

03:51:37.040 --> 03:51:42.960
I don't know. Do you curate this? You have elbow? I, when I was having crazy knee problems.

03:51:42.960 --> 03:51:46.480
Sure. Okay. Funny. I tried to solve it through physical therapy.

03:51:46.480 --> 03:51:49.840
I ended up solving it with YouTube videos, which is strange.

03:51:49.840 --> 03:51:57.520
But I went to multiple physiotherapists at first. One of them wanted to do needles, but it was like little ones.

03:51:58.800 --> 03:52:03.040
Yeah. Needles are dead. He always corrects me on because there's like big ones and little ones and people,

03:52:03.040 --> 03:52:06.880
I say acupuncture or whatever the other one is and they correct me, whatever.

03:52:06.880 --> 03:52:12.480
It was little needles. They're putting them in my quad. And she ended up like sending me away as a client.

03:52:12.480 --> 03:52:17.040
Like I will not do this with you anymore. I can maybe do other things with you, but we will not do this

03:52:17.040 --> 03:52:20.640
because she'd put them in my quad and then my quad we go and bend them all.

03:52:21.280 --> 03:52:23.040
Right. So you were breaking all her needles.

03:52:24.320 --> 03:52:26.560
Nice. Okay. That's pretty funny.

03:52:27.360 --> 03:52:34.000
That's the best I got. Didn't they also tell you that you were weird as all hell, like very strange client

03:52:34.000 --> 03:52:36.880
because you actually did the exercises as you were assigned? Yeah.

03:52:37.520 --> 03:52:42.960
Yeah. My current physiotherapist said that basically I had a, I don't know what it was.

03:52:42.960 --> 03:52:46.640
I'd pros with my thumbs. I screwed up both of my thumbs, which was kind of weird.

03:52:46.640 --> 03:52:50.560
And he gave me a bunch of like a little hand pushups and like all these other weird things.

03:52:50.560 --> 03:52:55.200
And then I came back to him and was like, we're good.

03:52:55.200 --> 03:52:59.440
Let's work on something else. But like the thumbs are good. And he was like, what?

03:53:00.880 --> 03:53:05.680
Which was great. That's cool. All right. Well, I have nothing for funny physical therapy stories,

03:53:05.680 --> 03:53:13.120
but I do have some validation of that merge message that the commuter bag is awesome.

03:53:13.120 --> 03:53:16.080
I got this from the head robot at D brand a few minutes ago.

03:53:18.320 --> 03:53:21.840
Got the CW holiday care package genuinely so good. Thanks team loved it.

03:53:24.400 --> 03:53:28.480
I'm going to out him here. I'm going to do it. Kept the commuter bag for myself.

03:53:29.520 --> 03:53:37.120
Tossing my peak design. Oh, usually companies don't need my other companies.

03:53:39.200 --> 03:53:42.960
Leaked the DM. Sammy did it to me today.

03:53:42.960 --> 03:53:46.160
Seems fair. Yep. Seems fair. Seems fair. You know what?

03:53:46.800 --> 03:53:50.400
That is actually like a killer endorsement because you know,

03:53:51.200 --> 03:53:57.200
you know what the head robot is like in terms of attention to detail and quality.

03:53:57.200 --> 03:54:02.080
And appearance, I'm sure. And you've seen how expensive the head robots stickers are.

03:54:02.080 --> 03:54:07.040
So surely the head robot could afford any backpack that he or she desired.

03:54:08.080 --> 03:54:09.440
So with all of that in mind.

03:54:13.520 --> 03:54:15.920
Okay. What's next? Pretty good. Q for Luke.

03:54:16.560 --> 03:54:19.360
If you had a nickel for every time you missed out on a gigantic Linux

03:54:20.000 --> 03:54:23.840
related event, you'd have two nickels. Which one hurts more?

03:54:24.560 --> 03:54:26.880
This one. What was the first one?

03:54:28.960 --> 03:54:33.360
I don't even know. What could even compare to this? That's, yeah. This is the one to end all ones.

03:54:33.360 --> 03:54:36.880
I'm sure I could search my brain vault and find it.

03:54:38.080 --> 03:54:46.320
I vaguely have a memory of that being a thing. But there's too much recency damage that I can't, I can't even.

03:54:46.320 --> 03:54:49.520
I think the term is recency bias. No, just damage.

03:54:54.960 --> 03:54:57.760
Sorry, dude. Vance is nothing if he's not efficient.

03:54:59.360 --> 03:55:06.000
Up next. High overly charismatic man, Dan, and chicken in sauce pan.

03:55:08.400 --> 03:55:12.880
These are, again, very creative. You've heard of price to performance.

03:55:12.880 --> 03:55:15.440
Now you're hearing of size to annoyance.

03:55:16.080 --> 03:55:28.160
What is the smallest thing Linus excluded that bothers you most?

03:55:28.880 --> 03:55:33.920
All right, I like it.

03:55:33.920 --> 03:55:37.840
That's a good question. That's a quality merge message. Because it's Linus excluded?

03:55:38.720 --> 03:55:42.800
I'm going to go, no, I mean, if I was the smallest thing that annoyed you the most,

03:55:42.800 --> 03:55:44.080
it would be good for me to know.

03:55:47.120 --> 03:55:49.360
I'm going to go with eating sounds.

03:55:50.240 --> 03:55:54.400
That is actually my barometer for if I'm in a bad mood.

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Because sometimes I can't tell. But if someone is chewing a little bit next to me,

03:56:02.080 --> 03:56:07.280
and they don't have their mouth open or anything, but I can just hear eating noises,

03:56:07.840 --> 03:56:11.920
I get a bit of misophonia. I don't love eating noises at the best of times.

03:56:13.120 --> 03:56:18.960
Like my stepdad used to drive me nuts because he would eat cereal with his mouth open.

03:56:18.960 --> 03:56:24.800
And to be clear, my stepdad is the best stepdad that ever walked the face of the earth.

03:56:24.800 --> 03:56:29.680
He's pretty great. I was never treated any differently from his own blood children.

03:56:29.680 --> 03:56:34.160
And that is something that is maybe not completely unique,

03:56:35.120 --> 03:56:42.320
but it is pretty darn special for a stepparent to have, for me to go through,

03:56:44.000 --> 03:56:47.600
I don't know how many, like I don't know how many years I lived with them,

03:56:47.600 --> 03:56:54.880
or even before I lived with them. Like the second he married my mom, I was his kid.

03:56:54.880 --> 03:56:57.920
I was his son. And I called him dad.

03:56:57.920 --> 03:57:00.560
Call my dad dad too, but whatever. Dad dad, two dads.

03:57:01.120 --> 03:57:02.640
Turns out it doesn't f**k you up that much.

03:57:05.520 --> 03:57:06.800
Obviously different context.

03:57:15.120 --> 03:57:22.800
The point is, we have a literal button on the show.

03:57:26.560 --> 03:57:29.440
The point is he wasn't much of a quiet eater.

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And so it's, I've always known that it's something that kind of like bothered me,

03:57:34.880 --> 03:57:41.760
but I've, I've outgrown it. I've like mostly gotten over it, except when I'm low blood sugar or I haven't had enough sleep,

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or usually both, I'll be like, I'll realize I'm like holding something kind of tight.

03:57:49.600 --> 03:57:53.040
And Yvonne's just like sitting there, like eating something.

03:57:53.680 --> 03:58:01.360
I'll be like, okay, I need to deal with this because I am about to like slap the food out

03:58:01.360 --> 03:58:05.600
of her hand if I don't deal with my mood right now.

03:58:05.600 --> 03:58:13.200
So that I'd say that's mine. I've had the, the eating noises thing as well, but I think a more recent, so like current one.

03:58:13.200 --> 03:58:17.040
And I, it feels almost irrational.

03:58:17.040 --> 03:58:20.560
Well, that's the thing. But I mean, that's basically what we're being asked, right?

03:58:20.560 --> 03:58:23.120
It drives me insane when someone is,

03:58:26.400 --> 03:58:31.440
there are forms of it that are okay, but it's like when it's quiet enough that you're doing this

03:58:31.440 --> 03:58:37.040
or yeah, this, but if you, if you're playing stuff on your phone on speakers in public,

03:58:38.080 --> 03:58:41.680
oh, I mean, that's, that's not even a small thing. But this has been confusing to me.

03:58:41.680 --> 03:58:46.160
That's a big thing. It's been confusing me because like I was waiting at a train station recently

03:58:46.800 --> 03:58:51.440
and someone was playing music out of a Bluetooth speaker attached to their backpack,

03:58:51.440 --> 03:58:56.160
just walking around. Yeah. And it drove me nuts. No, that person's just a f***ing ass.

03:58:56.160 --> 03:59:02.000
But then somebody drove by a f***ing thing whole. Somebody drove by in a car that had fairly loud music.

03:59:02.560 --> 03:59:06.400
That didn't bother me. That's interesting.

03:59:06.400 --> 03:59:09.440
Because that I thought was weird. They both bother me equally.

03:59:10.080 --> 03:59:16.160
They don't bother me equally. Okay. Let's go in between. What about someone with their Bluetooth speaker hanging off of their cycle,

03:59:16.160 --> 03:59:22.160
their bike, their bicycle? That's the word I was looking for. I feel like that would bother me because I feel like I was trying to unpack this.

03:59:22.160 --> 03:59:26.080
Yeah. I don't know for the cycle. It'd be interesting to like have it happen and then try to evaluate.

03:59:26.080 --> 03:59:31.040
But yeah, okay. The car one to me is it's like, it's theoretically their space

03:59:31.840 --> 03:59:37.680
and it's leaking out of their space. Yeah. But they very clearly don't need it to be that loud in their space.

03:59:37.680 --> 03:59:40.560
They're literally damaging their hearing and they're making it your problem.

03:59:41.200 --> 03:59:45.600
That's true. I also wonder like if their window was open, would that change for me or not?

03:59:45.600 --> 03:59:52.480
I'm not sure. I don't know. Okay. What if they were in their own house, but their music was so loud

03:59:52.480 --> 03:59:57.200
that you could hear it inside your own house? This is an interesting one as a condo dweller.

03:59:57.200 --> 04:00:06.160
This is the thing that happens. And I generally try to respect it because I'm like, you know what?

04:00:06.160 --> 04:00:13.040
We're all stuck in this big thing together. What if it was detached homes and you could still,

04:00:13.040 --> 04:00:18.640
you could hear their music clearly? I feel like if it was a event or a movie.

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Nope. It's just always like every day.

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That's pretty annoying. Yeah. But then it might change if this is a garage band.

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Nope. We had to go confront this whole back when we were,

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when Brian the electrician and I were filming the installing AC in my attic thing,

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because it was so loud we couldn't film from a house away.

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And I actually, I probably still have audio of the interaction somewhere.

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But basically like this guy was the biggest piece of garbage ever.

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Like as we walked up to the door, the like two year old, two to three year old

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was about to come bolting out. And I like, like there's a road and I like stopped him.

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And the first thing he says to me is don't touch my son. And I'm like, bro, I wouldn't need to.

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If you weren't an utter delinquent, what a way to start a conversation.

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I'm not saying what you said is that I just the whole scenario and dude,

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this house was so loud. Like when the door was opened, we're talking hearing damage for that kid.

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Like crazy. And he's like, I have to have it like this.

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I'm a DJ. I'm like, what? So you're the world's first DJ that hasn't heard of a pair of headphones.

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You got to be kidding me right now. They literally have headphones. Does that mean this guy's a piece of work.

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These actually like do it. You can turn the cup wild.

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Wow. Wild. I don't, I don't think I've had much of a dumber conversation with any,

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like otherwise seemingly coherent functional human being.

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Also like, man. You are not recreating the speaker setup at the club with your home thing.

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If you can get, if you, I actually don't know this because I'm, I don't partake,

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but if you can get high from secondhand marijuana smoke, that kid was probably high.

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Like it was intense. You can.

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Oh, okay. There you go. Man, brutal, brutal neighbor.

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I think it has a, I think it's called contact high.

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I'm sure someone in full point chat will correct.

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Nope. Okay. Yes. Something like that.

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Yeah. And I feel really bad for the kid too. Like, I can't feel bad for an adult that is just like an idiot and harms themselves.

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I just don't really care. They're an adult and they have agency.

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Contact high is psycho. Psycho somatic.

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Oh, apparently it's fake. You just think you're high.

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Nevermind then. I don't know. Then Rick says we used to call it hot boxing.

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Yes. It's a contact high. Well, apparently there is some disagreement about that.

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I'm going to consult the sands.

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The sands say yes. What's the sands?

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AI. AI. You got to be kidding me. Okay. Let's move on.

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This guy. I was doing it as a joke.

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I know, I know. They said washroom.

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I was looking for this and I tried bathroom, restroom, all that sort of stuff.

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Question for Luke while Linus is in the washroom probably. Gen AI is being compared to the industrial revolution,

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short-term disruption with long-term benefits. How much carnage until the good part?

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So tell me something.

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The industrial revolution.

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Benefit yes, but to everyone?

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No. Or was the benefit

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massively unequal and is it in fact worse for people who are on the lower rungs of the social ladder

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than things were before?

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I'm talking like you're sifting through, you know, the shipped off,

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you know, cadmium infested remains of technology in

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some place where they're literally just like burning this stuff to get

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to the precious metals that are in it.

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The industrial revolution was highly beneficial to the owner class in the developed world.

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I'm not convinced that it was necessarily beneficial to every human being on earth.

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It's interesting because like you could argue a lot of medicines and stuff wouldn't have been

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possible really without more advanced technologies that came from things like the industrial

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revolution. And those benefited people, but they sure as heck didn't benefit anyone who's not

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getting access to what you described. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Interesting. Uh, to more directly address. Oh no, I wasn't done.

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Okay, keep going. Gen AI, same thing.

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I think that's what we're going to see. I think we're going to see short-term disruption to

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unequally to people. And I think we're going to see long-term benefits very unequally to.

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I'd even wager even more unequally. Possibly.

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I also think it has an interesting effect.

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Wendell, Wendell shared me a meme recently that I couldn't agree with more.

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Um, not, not directly, you know, whatever.

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It's still a meme, but, um, if it would load, what, discord?

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Hello. Uh, anyways, it was something along the lines of like, if, if the world realized how fast,

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um, like local AI is getting extremely good.

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Here it is. Yeah. It's a tweet, apparently.

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If people understood how good local LLMs are getting, the stock market would crash tomorrow.

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Um, and it was a response to a tweet that said, anthropic doesn't want you to know,

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but you can self-host LLM like Quinn and use it in cloud code for free.

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Um, there is an interesting side effect of this where the beneficial part for some people

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is happening now. It's less applicable to some and it's highly applicable to other others.

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Locally hosting this stuff is expensive and not the easiest thing for everyone to do.

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Um, but you can also gain gain access non locally hosted.

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That was just kind of an aside for actually quite cheap and in a lot of cases completely

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free and it's enabling this like, I don't remember who was talking about it, but it's

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there are some comparisons you can make to renaissance knowledge, education, speed of

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learning and ability to jump into something from nowhere and get to a fairly, uh, competent point

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has like never really been easier flip side, speed of misinformation and disinformation

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for sure. Like there are, I'm not, I'm not trying to hide that there are extreme negatives.

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Right. I'm saying that in some cases there are, there are the ability for one person to leverage themselves

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very highly. I don't think has ever quite been at this level before, which is interesting, which is very,

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very interesting. And some people are already turning that into like highly positive beneficial situations

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overall. What we're doing is enabling the surveillance of extreme garbage and slop massive amounts

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of surveillance state because self hosting is so expensive that you're probably doing it

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through some other system, which is harvesting every single thing you've ever typed into it,

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building profiles on you. Like we've never seen before, like only wet dreams of early Google.

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Like there is, there is so much bad, but in almost everything, especially this complicated,

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there is diamonds in the rough. And there are people that are utilizing this stuff to extremely beneficial personal.

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And I mean small, small person degrees.

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Social mobility is I guess what you're trying to say. Massive amounts of it for specific people who can think of a way to leverage it.

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Yep. For themselves positively. But that doesn't change what I said about the benefit being highly unequal.

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And all knowing socks says even homeless people have supercomputers in their pockets.

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The industrial revolution came with new problems, but was overall beneficial.

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But I think you're missing part of what I was saying. And yeah, a homeless person in the USA is probably in a better position than that same

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homeless person in Southeast Asia or India. Oh, well, yeah.

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Yeah. And like the USA is actually a very small portion of the global population.

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Like I don't know that I don't know that.

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He literally did divide it up by like countries. Yeah, people in Western countries, I don't think necessarily always remember

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how in the minority we are in general.

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Yeah, it's going to be a rough and frankly, all of this, I mean, we got to keep in mind

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all of this is coming from the perspective of someone who is

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much less likely to be harmed by any of this.

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Oh, yeah. Yeah.

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Like we're going to be fine. We're in a position to leverage AI, leverage this revolution,

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invest capital and benefit from it.

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Like when I say this is bad, I don't mean bad for me. I just, I mean bad like generally.

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It's the yikes. Moolajin, which I hope I said correctly, said,

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dude, the, did I just lose audio? Did you just unplug?

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I'm sorry. I'm just fidgeting. Said, dude, the people in Chile that sort or is in chemical baths for like 20 cents a day.

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It's absolutely crazy. Yeah, they are not better off than they would have been in like a more agricultural society

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200 years ago. I pretty much promise you that.

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Yeah. It's weird. But yeah, there are, man.

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I'm sorry. Is it worry?

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There we go. And like the uncontacted people in South America that are getting like mercury poison

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from illegal gold mines, they're not better off.

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That makes sense. Yeah. But I mean, it's, I think it's important to see both ends of it at the same time and hold

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both sides of it in your mind. I think you need to, to like have a more accurate perspective on it, I guess.

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I think you need to recognize the good sides and recognize the bad sides.

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There are absolutely ways that it has helped. I think the modern Renaissance version of it is something that shouldn't be ignored

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even while you can hold and understand the concepts of the negatives that it is also creating.

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And I mean, bots makes a good point. You know, scholarly papers I've seen on global food security show it's way better globally

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than before the industrial revolution as is medicine. And that's fine.

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But that doesn't change that a generally good thing can still be worse for some people.

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And that was the entire point was that this is not a universal benefit.

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Like the industrial revolution, this is not going to universally elevate people.

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There are people's lives who will be worse for it. There are also people's lives who will be better for it.

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And some who, where it will be much better.

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But it does seem like this one, this one steers even farther toward benefiting the haves

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at the expense of the have nots. And the surveillance one is a huge one that we didn't touch on too much,

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but is a major element of this. I don't know that in another 30, 40, 50 years with autonomous tools for population management

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and cameras everywhere, I don't know that peasant uprisings will still be possible.

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I don't know that you'll still be able to overthrow a corrupt dictator.

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I don't know that it will be possible anymore. Something makes you want to push forward the indomitable human spirit.

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I feel like we'd find a way, but I understand what you're saying.

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I hope so. I still have that hope. There's a lot of, you know, the Gen Z uprisings and stuff.

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There's a lot of crazy stuff going on right now and big in a lot of ways.

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But there's no army of impervious robot dogs with AI controlled turrets on them.

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Hacker bros, dude. Hacker bros. Let's hope for the best.

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The hacker bros are goaded. But like how are the North Koreans doing even now?

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But that has nothing to do with...

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I mean, they're definitely using population management tools.

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Guarantee you they're using AI. Yeah.

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100% the wealthy pitting us lessers against each other. Yeah, I mean, for sure.

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Well, it's the cookie thing. There are a few truer memes than the cookie meme.

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Big time. How is that not the first cookie meme?

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Google, are you trying to hide this from me? I could, I could see cookie monster stuff being shared.

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Oh, wow. Yeah, but still, how far do I have to go for this surprise?

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It hasn't shown up yet.

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There we go. Top top left.

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I don't know what it says, but this is the meme. Yeah, it's basically this.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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But anyways, yeah, it's, you know, if you can afford... I'm, once I get my stupid condo to liveable again,

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I'm planning on trying to figure out local hosting in a big way

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for a wide variety of things, but including local LLM and AI services.

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I don't really want to use public ones much moving forward.

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I want to shift to that largely inspired by Wendell.

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I was already planning on it, but largely inspired by Wendell.

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And I would highly encourage all of you to explore it.

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I understand it can be expensive. There are also much cheaper ways to approach it.

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Used hardware is obviously a good way to go. The Mac stuff is very, very interesting.

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And if you can't jump in now, there's always the possibility

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that these big data centers will be updating cards eventually.

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And what you can run now on that level of hardware

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will be runnable in the future on that level of hardware.

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So you might be behind, but you'd have at least what we currently have today

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at your usage.

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There was a pretty good little chat message here.

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Coordinated Carrie asks, can you name one change with truly universal benefit?

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I'm going to go with open source.

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Anyone at harm had it coming. I've got Mr. Torvalds on the mind.

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I can counter that. Okay, counter that. Hit me. Because there's been malware distributed through open source stuff.

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There has been ways that- I don't think that was open source.

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But it enabled it. But Net, did it make the life of that person who was infected with malware worse?

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Because overall, it contributed so much positive to their life too.

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I have to look through some of the cases of- Open source is a pretty good one.

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Open source or source available?

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That is a good question. Walker161, penicillin. Yeah, penicillin was pretty dope.

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Oh, where's that exclusive open source? Never said it was. Not even a little bit.

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Didn't even sort of say that. I do indeed like both hot dogs and hamburgers.

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Insulin. Insulin was pretty sick. That was a pretty good argument.

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That was us, wasn't it? Yeah, Canadian innovation. Let's go. You're welcome.

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Base, base, base, base. Did he sell it for a dollar?

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Something like that, yeah. Base. Absolutely base. Base.

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And yet somehow it still costs a lot of money in some places, ridiculous.

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Yeah. In spite of our industrial medicine.

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Okay, carry on, Dan. Hey, big L. Remember when the internet tried spotting your face in computer case reflections back

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when slick PC kept things secret?

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Was it all fun or did it ever feel like stocking or doxing?

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It's kind of hard to even remember about that. I thought it was pretty fun. I think I thought it was fun.

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Yeah, I'm pretty sure we both thought it was pretty fun. I think so.

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It's genuinely been, I was talking about this the other day, it's been almost half my life.

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Because the whole thing was stupid and didn't matter. Like the only reason for the secrecy was because the original NCIX cameraman didn't

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and still doesn't want his name out there.

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And so it started with calling him the cameraman because he didn't want his name used.

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And then I was like, well, this has become kind of a shtick for the channel. So now it's just a thing.

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So you need a nickname because it's Linus and nickname person who's off camera.

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And then, but it didn't, it never mattered. It wasn't like Luke asking, it wasn't like the cameraman or Luke cared.

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So it was just for the memes. I also didn't care that I was being hidden either.

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Like I just didn't care. It got kind of dumb eventually, but eventually then we changed it.

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Yeah. And then it was fine. It just didn't really matter that much in either direction until it got dumb.

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Hey, thanks for your purchase.

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Hi, DLM. Hi, DLM. In retrospect, do you have components of Flowplain Labs or other development projects?

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You wish you had gone with a commercial product rather than developing on your own.

04:19:18.400 --> 04:19:24.480
Thanks for the merch. I can point at a bunch of stuff on Flowplain and be like, yeah,

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but one of the problems was a lot of them didn't exist at the time. Or they might have existed, but their continued existence was very questionable

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to the point where we even picked something that we went with that

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still technically exists, but like not really and we're somewhat locked into it.

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Or the existence seemed solid, but it was very expensive.

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Or that. Like there was always a reason for doing things the way that we did.

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Yeah. It didn't stay reasonable always.

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And there's some stuff that we will still probably pivot off eventually.

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There's some stuff that we already have. And that'll keep changing over time.

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But like, I think the initial decisions made along the path were very reasonable

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considering the knowledge we had at the time. I understand that's not the question that you're asking.

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You're saying in retrospect, but yeah, at the time the decisions were made,

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there was usually not an option that made more sense.

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If we could have snapped our fingers and known that certain systems were going to remain

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or that certain systems would have had very effective price decreases or whatever,

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there's a couple of changes. It would be pretty sick to actually, I mean, it's been pretty good for a while now.

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But we went through a lot of trials and tribulations with transcoding.

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Our current system is pretty dope transcoding all the backlogs for the

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sauce plus stuff while also transcoding like Jeff Gehrling's backlog upload

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all at kind of like the same time. And no one noticed that it was like really fast and very parallelized was sick.

04:21:03.200 --> 04:21:06.880
It was very cool to like do that sort of on our own.

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We talked about this, I think last week, but we have auto-generated AI-generated

04:21:13.120 --> 04:21:18.560
closed captions on automatic ones on Floatplane now.

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We're doing the compute on that. That is whisper. Sorry, yes.

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Yeah, but we're not, we are doing the, it's running like on our stuff.

04:21:26.000 --> 04:21:31.440
Yeah. And like, that's cool. Yes. I like, I like to, it's, yeah.

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Anyways, so yeah, I don't know. For the lab, what exactly was the question?

04:21:38.960 --> 04:21:42.000
Was there something? Well, you weren't involved in a lot of the early decisions.

04:21:42.000 --> 04:21:46.480
Yeah, so I wouldn't. So I'm sure he'd do it differently, but that doesn't necessarily mean that

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Luke sort of made a mistake or whatever, or even that it was a mistake.

04:21:52.480 --> 04:21:56.000
It's just everyone has a different philosophy. Yeah. All right, Dan, hit me.

04:21:58.000 --> 04:22:02.160
Hi, LLD. I got to go to IBM's future of tape event.

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And future of tape. Wow. Wow.

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And see their development. Future of eight track.

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But no tape is. We're doing nine. The tape is legit. I know.

04:22:12.880 --> 04:22:19.200
Don't make fun of tape, man. And see their development lab for physical and virtual tape.

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Virtual tape. Hard drives. Insanely cool. Oh, it's virtual tape.

04:22:23.760 --> 04:22:27.520
Would enterprise tape be interesting enough for an LLD video?

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I have a guy. We've done some videos on tape.

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I don't know what more there would be to say other than, yep,

04:22:34.800 --> 04:22:41.840
here's the new generation tape. And it's more denser.

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So we did, we did this a number. Oh my God, that was seven years ago.

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We got a $5,500 tape drive and.

04:22:51.520 --> 04:22:55.200
You look so baby. I know, right? And this is it.

04:22:55.200 --> 04:22:59.840
It's Thunderbolt. Go figure. And I think we still have it somewhere.

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I don't know that it's changed enough that I would have anything new to say about it

04:23:08.080 --> 04:23:14.320
in the last seven years. It's faster and more denser. But if I'm missing something here, please let me know.

04:23:14.320 --> 04:23:16.640
Okay. Virtual tape is interesting, actually.

04:23:17.440 --> 04:23:21.040
Oh, I'm sure. IBM TS7700 virtual tape library.

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4.2 petabytes for high performance workloads.

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Looks like that, which is sick. The new IBM TS7780 virtual tape library, the latest in the generation,

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operates at disc or SSD speeds while maintaining,

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and this is the part what made it make sense, compatibility with existing tape operations.

04:23:41.360 --> 04:23:46.720
Okay. So it's just not tape. But it like acts like it.

04:23:46.720 --> 04:23:52.480
So if you have systems that are expecting tape type operations, it will work.

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Okay. 46 petabytes of capacity delivered in an easy to use, easy to service,

04:24:01.200 --> 04:24:04.240
IBM Diamondback tape library. That thing.

04:24:05.360 --> 04:24:08.480
No, no, that's the tape one. Huh?

04:24:08.480 --> 04:24:11.120
Is that not what this is talking about? That's the actual tape.

04:24:11.680 --> 04:24:14.960
As well as IBM storage deep archive. Ah, okay.

04:24:14.960 --> 04:24:18.160
Yeah. Uh, all right. Yeah.

04:24:18.880 --> 04:24:21.920
Neat. Cool. I've never once used tape stuff.

04:24:21.920 --> 04:24:26.480
I've always thought it's very fascinating. It's very cool. Yeah. And I've said everything I have to say about it, I think.

04:24:26.480 --> 04:24:30.480
Nice. At some point, I wonder if we should just wipe the channel and start over.

04:24:33.520 --> 04:24:38.960
No, why not? But I think you should effectively do that in regards to video creation.

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Like just remake videos. I don't think there's a reason to delete your evergreen.

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But I do think it is sometimes ridiculous to be like,

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we can't make a video on that. We've made it before nine years ago as if like that really matters.

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I don't, I don't think that makes sense. My, and I do think we should recreate videos if they're beyond like a certain time threshold

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because it's all about the notification and stuff.

04:25:07.520 --> 04:25:12.480
Right. Like for, for a lot of people, they're not going to search up a lot of these things.

04:25:12.480 --> 04:25:18.080
They're looking for you to tell them. And if you don't release a video on it now, you have not told them.

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I think it's totally reasonable. I'll think about it.

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Hit me, Dan. L and L.

04:25:26.400 --> 04:25:32.320
All the Steam news resurfaced the old WAN Show episode with the legendary Total Biscuit as

04:25:32.320 --> 04:25:36.080
guest headline topic was OG Steam Controller.

04:25:36.080 --> 04:25:39.360
That Brit is still missed. What was it like having him on? That was fun.

04:25:40.000 --> 04:25:45.120
Yeah. I, I didn't really know him before that and we didn't really interact much after that.

04:25:45.120 --> 04:25:49.040
And that's no longer an option, unfortunately.

04:25:51.920 --> 04:25:56.880
But yeah, he was definitely, definitely, I'd say one of our more outstanding guests.

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What was it like having him? Oh, it's sorry. I just like said on to out.

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And I was like, he didn't come up here. My bad. Also, we're, um, it looks like 25 videos away from 7,000.

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That's dumb. That's a good time to quit, I think. It's big.

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No, that's too many. It's becoming a funky thing where Dan's trying to figure out, uh, API calls and analytics.

04:26:20.240 --> 04:26:24.080
And we want to like call analytics from all our videos.

04:26:24.640 --> 04:26:30.400
That's a lot of API calls. So we're like smashing into the quota cap and we're talking to YouTube.

04:26:30.640 --> 04:26:36.640
Like, we have across our channels, 13,216 videos today.

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Just pull analytics on that all the time. It's too many time to quit.

04:26:39.680 --> 04:26:42.720
I, I pull every two hours.

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So that's 160,000 API calls a day.

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It's a little. Am I allowed to quit once I get to over 9,000 on the LTT channel?

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I saw 9,001 delete channel. Then is my, is my power level high enough?

04:27:00.880 --> 04:27:04.480
I feel like you can take a sabbatical. I could take a sabbatical.

04:27:04.480 --> 04:27:07.280
I've earned that at that point. Okay. I'll keep that in mind.

04:27:11.600 --> 04:27:17.840
Hi, LGS, LL and DB. How important is digital hygiene for you?

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Starting with deleting old items from download folders and continuing with removing unnecessary

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test policies as IT admins.

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If it's something I use frequently, very important to me, like my desktop is clean.

04:27:34.480 --> 04:27:38.400
I think, hold on, let me check. You probably just don't show it, right?

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Desktop hide. No, you do show it.

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Oh, no, it's nasty. It's not clean. Okay. That's not nasty.

04:27:45.840 --> 04:27:51.120
I've seen a lot worse. Yeah. I have, look at that. I have like icons there and they're not even like.

04:27:51.120 --> 04:27:53.520
It is less than what I would have expected from you.

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You know what? I haven't been using this laptop for that long. My desktop at home though, like my desktop is immaculate.

04:28:03.040 --> 04:28:07.600
And like, I don't care about my downloads folder because sometimes it can be convenient

04:28:07.600 --> 04:28:10.960
to grab something that I downloaded before. Also don't care about my downloads folder.

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But it's like one of the only spots. My media folders.

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Very clean. Adhere to standard naming conventions.

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I use file bot, I think is what it's called to like make sure that it's all right and stuff.

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So yeah, it just depends. It depends how often I use it.

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If I don't use it very often, like, oh my God, like I still had my UB key active as a 2FA,

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even though I hadn't used it in like nine years or something like that,

04:28:37.600 --> 04:28:43.840
until Vance finally removed it like two weeks ago, after I was like talking about how ridiculous it was on land show.

04:28:43.840 --> 04:28:46.640
UB key bio is really cool. Someone like that to me.

04:28:47.360 --> 04:28:50.240
UB key bio? Yeah. You want to look at it?

04:28:54.080 --> 04:28:56.880
I didn't know they did this. I think it's pretty sick. Oh, it's expensive.

04:28:58.400 --> 04:29:00.720
It's cool though. Sure is. Jeez.

04:29:01.520 --> 04:29:03.680
It's like 130 bucks each.

04:29:04.560 --> 04:29:07.760
Yep. Well, whatever. Sure. Fine.

04:29:09.440 --> 04:29:12.720
But yeah, bio authenticated. Cool. Pretty sick.

04:29:13.840 --> 04:29:17.680
Makes sense. Not surprised they went that route. Yeah. Kind of makes more sense than the other one.

04:29:18.320 --> 04:29:21.760
Yeah. Here's the thing I have and I'm me.

04:29:21.760 --> 04:29:25.040
Boom. Yeah, I like that. All right. What's up?

04:29:26.320 --> 04:29:29.840
Linus last week you said no is lame.

04:29:30.960 --> 04:29:35.120
Yes and but is gulag. What's the best no you've given out?

04:29:36.800 --> 04:29:37.600
I don't know.

04:29:40.800 --> 04:29:43.680
I would have said Christmas album, but I finally caved last week.

04:29:44.400 --> 04:29:47.440
No, you caved to a new Christmas album.

04:29:48.000 --> 04:29:51.440
You still said no to the old Christmas album. Oh, yeah. That's true. No, no, it didn't.

04:29:51.440 --> 04:29:57.920
So it doesn't count. No, it didn't. He said yes and only if Riley does a cooler one

04:29:57.920 --> 04:30:01.040
and only if that one is only a digital download. Yeah.

04:30:01.040 --> 04:30:04.160
Okay. So yeah, I tried to find a way eventually. Yeah.

04:30:04.160 --> 04:30:10.400
Because what have I said no about? I mean, what am I in no one?

04:30:14.960 --> 04:30:17.920
Oh, yeah, you yes, ended me on that one, but I didn't like it.

04:30:18.720 --> 04:30:23.600
I want to make a Labs channel, but I have been told no,

04:30:23.600 --> 04:30:27.920
because I need a content schedule for it, and I'm currently refusing to do that.

04:30:28.880 --> 04:30:31.600
Okay. I think those are both reasonable things.

04:30:32.720 --> 04:30:37.440
I actually didn't say no. I actually don't know if a content schedule for the Labs channel is reasonable.

04:30:37.440 --> 04:30:38.480
I don't know if it makes sense.

04:30:41.200 --> 04:30:43.360
I understand that makes it difficult to sell for.

04:30:44.320 --> 04:30:48.000
I totally understand. And if we don't sell for it, it will not make money.

04:30:48.160 --> 04:30:51.360
My thing is right now,

04:30:51.360 --> 04:30:55.040
we're just making articles, which are awesome, but we could just turn the articles into videos.

04:30:55.040 --> 04:30:58.800
And no, they're not. Not every article is like LTT quality,

04:30:58.800 --> 04:31:02.560
which is fine and never been the goal. And to be clear, we're not saying it's not quality.

04:31:02.560 --> 04:31:06.640
I mean, depth is more. Or clickability or whatever.

04:31:06.640 --> 04:31:10.240
However you want to call it. Just I thought quality was not the right word. I think they're really good quality.

04:31:10.240 --> 04:31:13.280
No, totally. Okay. Quality is incorrect word,

04:31:13.280 --> 04:31:18.160
but we're not going to get a million views on the 40 watt dynamic power adapter

04:31:18.160 --> 04:31:20.240
and iPhone 17 charging article.

04:31:21.440 --> 04:31:25.120
I think it's sick though. And I actually think a lot more people should know about it

04:31:25.120 --> 04:31:29.840
because it's a cool, it's a cool, it's very cool article. The conclusion taught me things.

04:31:29.840 --> 04:31:32.640
I liked it. I don't think I'm actually the one who said no anyway.

04:31:33.680 --> 04:31:37.200
Or yes, and You might be right.

04:31:37.840 --> 04:31:38.960
I think, I think I

04:31:41.600 --> 04:31:47.600
I think I So if you're trying to do an end around right now, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not getting involved.

04:31:47.600 --> 04:31:48.880
No, no, no, I'm not. Okay.

04:31:50.720 --> 04:31:54.400
Linestown. It's been a while since I asked. I think I have asked. Linestown.

04:31:54.400 --> 04:31:59.040
I'm not saying no, I'm saying it's stupid. Okay, so what's the end?

04:31:59.040 --> 04:32:02.400
The end is I don't have the f***ing money for it yet.

04:32:02.400 --> 04:32:06.640
I don't actually have unlimited money. This may surprise you. Sounds like we're going to get there.

04:32:06.640 --> 04:32:10.240
Given the way that I behave. Loans are a thing. Buying fire trucks.

04:32:10.880 --> 04:32:17.360
Like how many kidneys do you have? You have children. We just got to get you to that beyond 9,000 videos

04:32:18.480 --> 04:32:22.160
and we'll get there. I mean, I wouldn't even want to live in the town.

04:32:22.160 --> 04:32:24.320
That's the real problem. I don't think it's necessary.

04:32:25.280 --> 04:32:29.120
That's stupid. Nope. How can I run a cult if I'm not actually there?

04:32:29.120 --> 04:32:32.480
You just need a really, really, really tall tower outside of the town.

04:32:32.480 --> 04:32:35.520
How does Gaben run steam? From a yacht.

04:32:35.520 --> 04:32:38.880
Valve. Sorry. From a yacht. He gets it.

04:32:38.880 --> 04:32:42.800
See? Yeah, there's the yes and we get him a yacht. Yeah, but why are we not doing it?

04:32:42.800 --> 04:32:46.560
You're not giving a proper and. You're not playing by your own rules.

04:32:46.560 --> 04:32:50.320
Well, we just discovered that he would do it if there was a yacht, so now we have the and.

04:32:50.320 --> 04:32:59.120
Let's move on. Okay, cultists. If you will be responsible for raising the money to purchase the town

04:32:59.120 --> 04:33:01.840
and I will do nothing but reap benefits from it,

04:33:02.480 --> 04:33:06.320
then yes, Linus Town approved. Now he's thinking like a cult leader.

04:33:06.320 --> 04:33:08.400
I like this good job.

04:33:09.520 --> 04:33:11.920
Okay, we're up next. Before we move to Taiwan.

04:33:13.680 --> 04:33:17.920
Ah, that wasn't no. That was I don't want to and therefore no.

04:33:19.520 --> 04:33:23.920
That sounds like a pretty cool no, though. Abroot your entire life.

04:33:25.920 --> 04:33:32.320
No, I know. It's a good idea, but no. I think I think I understand what you're trying to do with this whole don't say no,

04:33:32.320 --> 04:33:36.000
say yes and thing, but it's also like extremely toxic at certain times.

04:33:36.000 --> 04:33:40.960
I heard back from the head robot leaked the DM well earned.

04:33:41.040 --> 04:33:45.200
So we've got I've got approval. That's so cool. They're so cool.

04:33:45.200 --> 04:33:52.960
I know. How are they so cool? In general, you want to be an enabler who enables the people around you.

04:33:52.960 --> 04:33:56.000
That's all I'm trying to get across. I know. It's not a blanket.

04:33:56.000 --> 04:34:01.360
I understand your point. I understand your point. Thank you. But just like when people say everyone,

04:34:03.200 --> 04:34:06.480
you jump after them because you're like not actually everyone.

04:34:06.480 --> 04:34:09.920
It's the same thing. In general, you want to be an enabler.

04:34:11.120 --> 04:34:12.320
Not like Megan Kelly.

04:34:14.720 --> 04:34:20.560
Who's don't enable that? All right. Well, there's a fairly recent controversy.

04:34:20.560 --> 04:34:24.800
I don't know who don't worry about it. Do worry about it, actually.

04:34:25.440 --> 04:34:28.800
Do worry about this. Okay, Dan, hit me.

04:34:28.800 --> 04:34:33.200
Sure. Hey, LD Linus or slick.

04:34:33.200 --> 04:34:38.000
If enough floaters that wanted a VR version of Floatplane, would you do it?

04:34:38.880 --> 04:34:45.280
What would a VR version of Floatplane be? Wouldn't it just be watching videos in a browser in your VR headset?

04:34:45.280 --> 04:34:50.480
I think you have it already. I mean, I played Floatplane in the Apple Vision Pro,

04:34:50.480 --> 04:34:55.520
but I think what they're meaning is like 360 video where you can turn your head.

04:34:57.600 --> 04:35:00.880
It's a dead meme. It is for sure a dead meme.

04:35:01.600 --> 04:35:08.560
Definitely not enough people want it. Hey, we're doing what we can to give people what they do want right now.

04:35:08.560 --> 04:35:10.720
Okay. We're focused on that. All right.

04:35:14.160 --> 04:35:18.320
Yeah. Yeah, that's a no, actually. That's a no.

04:35:18.320 --> 04:35:22.720
And here's the reasons. The reasons are that you care and no one else.

04:35:22.720 --> 04:35:26.720
And I'm sorry that it has to be like that. But the question was if enough did.

04:35:27.600 --> 04:35:31.680
You're not being very yes and right now, Linus. If enough did, we'd do it, of course.

04:35:32.480 --> 04:35:39.440
There you go. Yeah. They definitely don't though and never will. So there's that caveat.

04:35:45.200 --> 04:35:50.800
Oh, yeah, I don't. Who do you think will be in the NHL Play A Calgary Flames fan ATP2?

04:35:50.800 --> 04:35:51.920
I don't know what any of that means.

04:35:54.400 --> 04:35:57.760
Me neither. Is that a gambling thing? Maybe. Play A?

04:35:57.760 --> 04:35:59.760
No idea. Is that a thing? Do they need playoffs?

04:36:00.800 --> 04:36:04.480
No idea. Oh, okay. Well, up next.

04:36:05.840 --> 04:36:10.000
Play Alberta. Play A. It sounds like it's gambling, maybe.

04:36:10.800 --> 04:36:18.640
Disney, Lucasfilm, and Moomoo. Linus, did you ever see the live action How to Train Your Dragon?

04:36:18.640 --> 04:36:26.560
Will you visit the theme park in Florida? I proposed to girlfriend in front of Toothless there a few weeks ago.

04:36:26.560 --> 04:36:33.680
She counterproposed. I'll go to the theme park. I made it about 30% of the way through the live action How to Train Your Dragon.

04:36:33.680 --> 04:36:40.480
The original animated film is perfect and the live action one is like a weird

04:36:40.480 --> 04:36:42.480
Funhouse mirror reflection of perfect.

04:36:44.000 --> 04:36:51.200
They did stay very true to it. And if it brings a new generation of people into, you know, thinking how to train your

04:36:51.200 --> 04:36:57.280
dragon and the sort of general message behind it of seeing past our differences,

04:36:57.280 --> 04:37:00.880
even though we're enemies and all of that kind of cool stuff. I think it's a really cool story.

04:37:02.720 --> 04:37:10.160
You know, if it does that, then that's great. I am a fan, but I didn't personally have any use for it because the original was already

04:37:10.160 --> 04:37:16.000
a perfect film. I forgot to do your award.

04:37:16.000 --> 04:37:18.800
My award? Yeah. What is this exactly?

04:37:19.920 --> 04:37:25.200
Received an award. I've received an award. He's talking, but he's not talking into a mic.

04:37:25.200 --> 04:37:29.600
Is it another Billy Billy plaque? That's my guess.

04:37:29.600 --> 04:37:32.720
I'm throwing a guess out there. That's my guess. You're throwing a guess, a Billy Billy plaque?

04:37:32.720 --> 04:37:34.240
No, you already have a silver and a gold.

04:37:37.120 --> 04:37:42.400
I'm getting an award. Well, I mean, Luke doesn't need to be here for this, then.

04:37:47.600 --> 04:37:50.720
It's fine. It's fine. No, if you go in your camera, they might be able to see it better.

04:37:50.720 --> 04:37:52.800
No, just me, man. Okay. They can see it after.

04:37:54.480 --> 04:37:54.960
What is this?

04:37:57.680 --> 04:38:01.760
Actually, what is it? It's a Linus Media Group.

04:38:03.120 --> 04:38:04.800
What is this? What? Yeah, what?

04:38:06.320 --> 04:38:12.000
Linus Media Group Brand Impact Award for, hold on.

04:38:12.000 --> 04:38:18.560
What is it? For Outstanding Influence Amplifying GLI Nets Worldwide Presence.

04:38:21.520 --> 04:38:24.800
Oh, no, I did know about this.

04:38:24.800 --> 04:38:29.840
They invited us to an event and to present it.

04:38:29.840 --> 04:38:32.880
To make cool stuff. I said, regrettably, we can't make it.

04:38:32.880 --> 04:38:37.680
We did that sponsored video with them recently. I mean, to make cool stuff, I don't know.

04:38:37.680 --> 04:38:43.440
Upgrading Natalie's house. Cool. I didn't know that I'd get an award for doing a sponsored video.

04:38:43.440 --> 04:38:47.360
You know, they know they already paid me, right? For the sponsored video.

04:38:47.360 --> 04:38:50.560
I mean, getting an award is also cool. I mean, I don't mind awards.

04:38:50.560 --> 04:38:55.120
Honestly, I think you should give me an award every time you pay me. You want me to give you an award every time?

04:38:55.120 --> 04:38:58.320
No, no. Every time? Wait, every time I pay you. Yeah, I'd also have to give you an award.

04:39:00.160 --> 04:39:04.400
No? Wait, yes, and if you hold on, I'm thinking.

04:39:11.280 --> 04:39:14.400
See, I was going to say something like if you went sort of beyond the call of duty,

04:39:14.400 --> 04:39:16.160
but he really does. Yeah, get rekt. He's great.

04:39:17.680 --> 04:39:22.480
How can I justify not giving him an award every time I pay him?

04:39:23.680 --> 04:39:28.240
Huh. Maybe I should. I'll tell you what, here's what it'll be.

04:39:28.880 --> 04:39:34.320
It'll be in the form of a monthly, no, a monthly budget on LTTstore.com

04:39:34.320 --> 04:39:38.240
and occasional random LTTstore.com things. That's how we'll do it.

04:39:38.240 --> 04:39:41.280
Nice. Yeah. Conveniently, we already do that, so.

04:39:41.280 --> 04:39:44.400
Isn't it yearly budget? Yeah, but it could be broken up by 12.

04:39:46.880 --> 04:39:51.120
Being on WAN Show, you also end up with a lot of extras. I do. I have no complaints.

04:39:51.120 --> 04:39:56.000
You know, there is a company that you and I both visited recently

04:39:56.560 --> 04:39:58.560
that I figured out what their merch budget is.

04:39:59.680 --> 04:40:03.120
Is it good? It's definitely lower than ours. Oh, really?

04:40:03.760 --> 04:40:10.000
Oh, oh, is this company, how do we not name them?

04:40:10.000 --> 04:40:14.240
Yeah, and like, I don't think we would ever name this one. No, I don't think we should name them.

04:40:14.240 --> 04:40:18.560
Yeah, but you know. We actually have a pretty generous merch budget.

04:40:18.560 --> 04:40:23.120
I realize that. Like, we actually do try to not be a shitty place to work.

04:40:23.120 --> 04:40:26.880
I told them ours while we were having that conversation, and they were like, whoa.

04:40:26.880 --> 04:40:31.440
And I didn't tell them the host one, because the host one's higher. It has to be because you're going to need stuff

04:40:31.440 --> 04:40:34.960
that you have when you're on camera. Like, it has to be higher.

04:40:34.960 --> 04:40:37.680
It makes sense. I told them the normal one.

04:40:39.600 --> 04:40:42.800
Yeah, anyways. We had this as a bit of a topic earlier.

04:40:42.800 --> 04:40:46.720
Hello, LLD. With the current RAM prices rising due to AI demand,

04:40:46.720 --> 04:40:51.680
do you think now is a good time to upgrade? What are the long-term effects of AI infrastructure

04:40:51.680 --> 04:40:55.360
on consumer-grade hardware prices? Long-term will be OK.

04:40:55.360 --> 04:40:59.120
If anything, it'll drive it down because they're going to build up massive capacity

04:40:59.120 --> 04:41:02.960
and the bubble will, at the very least, deflate, probably burst.

04:41:02.960 --> 04:41:08.160
And the used market traditionally has actually benefited from large infrastructure expenditure.

04:41:08.160 --> 04:41:13.360
As for now being a good time to upgrade, probably, I think it's going to get worse before it gets better.

04:41:13.360 --> 04:41:16.960
But that's not financial advice. Hey, Luke.

04:41:16.960 --> 04:41:21.840
Sharing the love of all things NASA, have you ever seen a launch in person?

04:41:21.840 --> 04:41:26.160
Ooh. I also, for a short time, got to work with NASA Huntsville

04:41:26.160 --> 04:41:29.360
via a vendor-customer relationship.

04:41:29.360 --> 04:41:34.320
When did you get to see a launch in person? One time. I thought you missed it, unlike a thing recently.

04:41:34.320 --> 04:41:37.840
I thought this was like another sore point. There was a really cool one that I missed.

04:41:37.840 --> 04:41:40.240
Oh, that's what I was thinking of. This was a really random one.

04:41:41.200 --> 04:41:46.320
But when AJ and I were down there for the Threat Locker Conference.

04:41:46.880 --> 04:41:52.400
Oh, so this was recent then. Yeah, we took off to go check out NASA.

04:41:52.400 --> 04:41:56.240
And as we were pulling up, there was one,

04:41:56.240 --> 04:42:01.600
I was like checking my news the whole time because there would only be specific times that we could go.

04:42:02.480 --> 04:42:06.160
And we thought we had missed it because we thought it had gone like the night before, I think.

04:42:07.040 --> 04:42:12.880
But there was some delay and it made it happen that day. And then we couldn't go right away because we were doing stuff.

04:42:12.880 --> 04:42:16.000
But by the time we could go, we were like rolling up into the parking lot,

04:42:16.000 --> 04:42:20.320
like when it was happening. And we ran to this like corner where we could see it.

04:42:20.320 --> 04:42:26.800
So we hadn't even entered yet. Nice. And we technically walked into the employee parking lot.

04:42:26.800 --> 04:42:31.760
Wow. Just confidently and got to a corner.

04:42:31.760 --> 04:42:35.440
Sorry, got to a corner where we could see better. Quality NASA security, yeah.

04:42:35.440 --> 04:42:39.680
And we actually got a pretty decent vantage point.

04:42:39.680 --> 04:42:42.720
We ended up seeing where a lot of people would watch it

04:42:42.720 --> 04:42:47.520
from the actual park thing that they have. And our spot was actually pretty solid.

04:42:49.360 --> 04:42:53.120
I'm really hoping to see one of the Artemis launches eventually.

04:42:54.960 --> 04:43:00.080
Starship would be really cool sometime. This was just more of a fairly small,

04:43:00.080 --> 04:43:05.520
somewhat routine thing that just happened to be going off the day. The amount of rockets they're launching like all the time now

04:43:05.520 --> 04:43:09.440
is pretty wild. So yeah.

04:43:10.480 --> 04:43:15.040
But then we promptly exited the, I believe employee only parking area

04:43:15.040 --> 04:43:17.760
and entered the park properly and then had a good time.

04:43:18.720 --> 04:43:23.200
That's great. Hi, LLD. Never knew I needed a hackable,

04:43:23.200 --> 04:43:26.480
arch-based VR headset until Valve announced one.

04:43:26.480 --> 04:43:29.680
Any cool ideas considering you could almost certainly do anything with it?

04:43:29.680 --> 04:43:34.080
Also, did it have a desktop mode? I don't believe anything would prevent you

04:43:34.080 --> 04:43:36.880
from running desktop mode on it on a giant screen.

04:43:37.920 --> 04:43:39.440
For me, I think the biggest,

04:43:41.440 --> 04:43:44.640
the biggest use case this unlocks for me for VR

04:43:44.640 --> 04:43:51.280
is travel with my laptop. I am like stoked to play full-fat PC VR games

04:43:51.280 --> 04:43:57.760
with a laptop with like an eGPU and my VR headset that all packs into like my commuter bag.

04:43:57.760 --> 04:44:03.600
That's crazy. Absolutely wild. I really enjoy the idea of this thing being portable.

04:44:03.600 --> 04:44:07.520
That's, yeah. I'm for sure getting one basically.

04:44:08.240 --> 04:44:12.960
Kind of depends on price, I guess. And we both know the quest lineup exists,

04:44:12.960 --> 04:44:18.720
but I don't think either of us has ever felt particularly compelled to go meta for our VR needs.

04:44:18.720 --> 04:44:21.760
I have been fairly strongly turned off from that.

04:44:24.320 --> 04:44:27.760
Yeah. What was the product your own or third party

04:44:27.760 --> 04:44:30.640
that you knew about early that you found the hardest to keep secret?

04:44:32.560 --> 04:44:36.080
Oh, oh man, there's, oh man.

04:44:43.680 --> 04:44:45.920
The hardest to keep secret?

04:44:49.360 --> 04:44:52.880
I don't actually find out about third party stuff that early.

04:44:54.800 --> 04:44:58.240
And I don't keep secrets very well for our own developments.

04:45:00.160 --> 04:45:03.360
I think that's part of the marketing strategy at this point.

04:45:05.040 --> 04:45:12.640
Probably the one that I struggled the most on was our battery bank, which we have alluded to,

04:45:12.640 --> 04:45:18.080
but not really talked about much yet, but it's been in development for I think over two years now.

04:45:18.080 --> 04:45:21.120
And for a long time, I really didn't talk about it

04:45:21.120 --> 04:45:25.680
because the product itself was not particularly well defined.

04:45:25.680 --> 04:45:29.760
Like we had an idea of what we wanted to try to achieve

04:45:29.760 --> 04:45:32.880
and we've achieved a lot of that, but not all of it.

04:45:32.880 --> 04:45:38.480
And so we wanted to make sure that we weren't setting people's expectations too high.

04:45:38.480 --> 04:45:42.480
It's getting pretty close to the point where I can start talking about it in more detail,

04:45:42.480 --> 04:45:46.080
but yeah, I'd say holding back a ton of that has been really challenging.

04:45:47.840 --> 04:45:49.120
Yes, we're getting triple C.

04:45:52.320 --> 04:45:58.400
You mentioned on last WAN Show that Google killed the nest and a project was started.

04:45:58.480 --> 04:46:02.480
I created it and open sourced it. Appreciate the shout-out.

04:46:02.480 --> 04:46:05.120
Also, Google was still sending logs from those devices.

04:46:06.560 --> 04:46:11.840
Shout-out Kody Kay. Absolutely sick, assuming you are actually the person who did it

04:46:11.840 --> 04:46:17.600
and you're not just taking credit, but probably you're honest, but super cool.

04:46:17.600 --> 04:46:20.320
And yeah, why does that not surprise me at all?

04:46:24.320 --> 04:46:27.520
Yeah, shocked, I say. Well, actually not that shocked.

04:46:28.000 --> 04:46:31.680
It's just, you shut off my functionality,

04:46:31.680 --> 04:46:33.840
but yeah, still want my data. Really?

04:46:36.160 --> 04:46:39.680
That's so cool if this person is the person who did that. That's so sick.

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Enjoy your RGB sweater. Yeah, hell yeah.

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For both hosts, for your main gaming rig, are you Team Red or Team Blue for Proc and Wine?

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Red. Yeah, obviously.

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And Red for a while. Yep.

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Better Red than Dead. Better Dead than Red?

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I don't know. It's rough over there right now, man.

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I hope they figure it out. I hope so too. A strong Intel is good for the industry.

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Yeah. Last one I got for you tonight.

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Sup, LLD? I love your zipper hoodies, so I'd never pass up the Red WAN hoodie.

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Sick. But I was a big fan of orange. Hope to see that again one day.

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Also, what happened to the pajama pants? They were great.

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They didn't sell that well. I love them too. I love my LTT pajama pants.

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I only got one pair and I wish I had more.

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I don't know that we'll do an orange. The Red is selling really well.

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And after many long, sometimes surprisingly,

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intense conversations. We have passionate people here.

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And they can be passionate about everything. Design, color, fit materials.

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The reason our products are good is because people care. But when people care, you can have strong opinions

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and you can have clashes. And it's not like we have the kind of culture

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where people would yell at each other or be mean to each other or whatever.

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But I've had some very opinionated conversations

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with particularly Bridget, who's head of fashion.

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And she felt very strongly that having some red

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and some orange WAN products was really confusing. And so we debated whether we should even be able

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to launch a red WAN hoodie when we still have

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an orange WAN backpack, for instance. And she made very good points about how that kind of

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confuses what WAN branding means.

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And I made very good points about how, oh my god, we can't hope to sell out all of the desk pads

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and all of the backpacks and all of the everything

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before we can launch one product. We want to get it out there and find out

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if people are going to even receive this red thing at all

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or if we're going to have to go back to orange anyway and then we wiped out all of inventory for nothing

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and then made a big bet on red everything for nothing.

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So everyone had really good points.

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And what we settled on was okay.

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I agree with you that it needs to not be confusing. You're 100% right.

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But the business needs us to test this before we can commit full hog.

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And I think at this point, she's one that red works

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and it's time to go full hog. And once we do that, then I think she's right

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that WAN can't just be random colors. It has to mean something.

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And now I think it's going to mean red and gray and black.

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What? Chat has a very interesting point.

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A lot of people in chat have a very interesting point. Does WAN have an after dark sub brand?

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No, I think our monochrome brand is still stealth. We haven't used it much lately.

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Oh, interesting. I could be open to that.

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It's a genuinely really interesting idea. The after dark hoodie, I could get behind that.

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It's just interesting that we can throw purple into the brand mix very logically.

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ShortCircuit has it too. ShortCircuit is predominantly purple, isn't it?

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It's a mix, right? Yeah, it's got a variety of ShortCircuit.

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I like that Dan just said ShortCircuit.

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Nothing else. I mean, they're purple. They are so their main color is purple.

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They're like a bunch of stuff, though. Mm-hmm.

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Orange, pink, purple, white, yellow, dark blue, yellow.

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All right, after dark hoodie.

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I feel like an after dark hoodie might actually be really sick.

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Just saying.

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After dark pants too? Aslis chaps.

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What pants do we have right now that could be after dark?

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All right. Scheduled for Monday morning. And excuse me, sorry, with that, I think it's time to say good night

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and have a wonderful weekend. We'll see you again next week. Same bad time, same bad channel.

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Almost five hours. Bye. That's crazy.

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That was not.