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Livestream VOD – December 26, 2025 @ 17:14 – We’re At The Breaking Point - WAN Show December 26, 2025
Linus Tech Tips
·Linus Tech Tips
·2025-12-26
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30,320 words · ~151 min read
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Heck yeah, heck yeah, oh we're gonna have to talk a little louder to get it adjusted.
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Yeah I can't remember what like sparked it.
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of course you are a filthy pirate which no judgment you might be.
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sorry I just I tried to go through the flow and was just like yeah cool no work
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Stone Monarch says I only pirate music because even if I pay for it it gets remo
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if I yeah yeah there's a website where I can find listings for it in CD vinyl an
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but what is very clear to me is that view that doesn't necessarily have a set de
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yeah people are saying yes you can yeah alright so then it could happen or ruin
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speaking of perverse incentives, youtube titling and thumbnails we wouldn't do i
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let's talk about the flow plane team we're going to do an early release of a ver
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yeah hey speaking of deal still being alive and the deal may be changing this is
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yeah okay okay speaking of family and uh do you want to just call me to do the t
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oh speaking of which we haven't done our weekly b580 check guys seriously GPU's
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so yeah nitpicks and issues no i think if anything it comes down to that it's my
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Heck yeah, heck yeah, oh we're gonna have to talk a little louder to get it
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adjusted. Hello hello hello hello hello hello yes the compressor has kicked in
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now that's why it's cold outside. Oh my goodness this is an interesting strat
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you're sitting that far from a power outlet but you've chosen to charge your
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laptop off of the battery. Where's the USB plug on the power outlet? Thank you
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for coming to my TED talk. I don't know why why don't you have a charger for
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your laptop. No I know I'm charging the battery bank. Off of your laptop oh this
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is even dumber than I thought. Well where's the where's the other plug? Right
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What do you mean? That's the charger for the battery. What? Run your laptop off of
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battery. Why? Because it'll charge this faster. I have the whole show. The whole
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show for your incredible the WAN Show with our laptop partner Dell to just
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last for a long time and then this would be charged. You know what you do you. I
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can do it it's fine. This way I'll never have to worry about it's all it's
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completely. Yeah you've created a perpetual motion machine you've done a good job. What do you mean? The laptop so the wall charges the laptop which
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charges the battery bank which charges the laptop everything is charged. It's
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it's going one direction right now it's just it's just charging the battery bank.
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It's got that one thing. Yeah yeah that's what makes it beautiful. I do find it
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very annoying. My Lenovo laptop literally no matter what the state of the
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laptop is and no matter what the state of the battery bank is it will only flow
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battery bank to laptop. This is no we're not live this has nothing to do with
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Dell versus Lenovo whatever. It's probably like like Lenovo's like utility. Probably
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something there might be a way I can configure it to change it whatever but
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like the whole handshake thing that everyone was told it does not do that
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on that laptop for whatever reason. It does charge the laptop though which is
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cool. Nice. That is sweet. That is also like why I did buy this as well even
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though it's your green friendly sponsor bros I bought it all right. Should we do
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this thing? Let's do this thing. Let's get the show started. First exclusive to
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the pre-show stop floaties. Oh no Christmas is done. No longer Christmas. Oh no. That's
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right. That's how you know that he died because the tree goes away. No his mass
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is over but he lives on in spirit and also came back to life with new mass.
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Also Christmas is like the birth one not the death one but also he wasn't born
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at Christmas time so I'd love to listen to Linus religious tips. Not going to happen.
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I was trying to explain religious concepts to someone a few days ago using
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Warhammer 40k references to try to make them make sense. I was like you see. The
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Holy Ghost is like the war. I was literally doing something. I was like you need to
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understand. The Geller drive is like the communion wafers. The amazing part was
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it was working. It actually helps to make it make sense. The tech priests are like real priests.
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Mars' influence on the politics of Terra are important to understand. I'm going to
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grab a snack because it's a little bit early to be this crazy without a snack.
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Oh man.
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Yeah I can't remember what like sparked it. I think they were trying to say that
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like oh man I don't know if I want to get to religious stuff but I don't think
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this is anti any particular religion. They were trying to say that they find
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it interesting how you're supposed to interpret things that were done or may
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have been done based on writings largely from other people about a certain
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person and I was talking about how Warhammer 40k has that problem. Leave it
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at that. Are we canceled now? No I think I tried carefully enough. Or was it the
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other way around? They were talking about that in Warhammer and I related that to it anyways. It's something. It was a bit of a go.
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What are we waiting for at this current moment? Just snack time? Okay. Perfect.
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Who's here? My life for Iyer. My life for Iyer. I miss when StarCraft was like
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cool and relevant. They could have done so much with that IP. So much dude. Where's
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Ghost? Look at what happened to Space Marine dude. Don't say his name. StarCraft
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Ghost man. Oh no. Look there's even like I don't know if this stuff is fake or not
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but man and you may be like whoa looks bad. It's so old dude. I don't know if
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this is real. I don't know if the time frame makes sense for it to have like Halo
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2 graphics. Another one graphics maybe. It's Fortnite? No. I don't think so. No. 2005. Wow
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it is that old. Multiplayer plot. I had so much going for it dude. Base around a beloved
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character who is super hyped up in multiple games. Everything. Any hope for that? No.
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There's no hope for ghosts. Not currently at least. We'll see what I guess a Microsoft
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decides to do because that's a thing now I guess. Strangely enough. Four minutes of StarCraft
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Ghost gameplay with commentary. I forgot this was like a thing. Look at me spore flashbacks.
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Look at this dude. Spore flashbacks. Spore actually came out though. Yeah but it was
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nothing like it was supposed to be. Well yeah because it was Star Citizen. It looks like
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it would be fun. Yeah. I can't believe they had this much of a game and it never became
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a thing. Wild. All right. Should we do this thing? Nice sweater dude. You've got things
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going on. I don't know if you want that or not. Sure. Sounds good. Adds to the stoyle.
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Resuming the selected now. Dan you might have to let me know when it's live. Heard. Heard.
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Peter Mullen you. That's a name I haven't heard. What's up everybody and welcome to the
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WAN Show. We have a great show lined up for you guys this week because people weren't in
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office much this week so Luke and I will be making up a lot of things as we go. Yeah.
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That's right. The RAM shortage is in full swing and there's been even further negative developments.
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That's right. It has gotten worse. No. I'm serious. Over Christmas. Yes. How could they.
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It got worse. There's actually system integrators that have come up with the innovation of selling
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computers without RAM. Bring your own RAM PCs. That is end times right there. I will say
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end times. No we're not talking about it yet. Also we're going to be talking about how Spotify
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managed to be entirely scraped. That's right. You can download the entirety of Spotify if
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of course you are a filthy pirate which no judgment you might be. Speaking of scraping
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Google sues another company for scraping Google in an act that is very interesting. Okay.
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Thank you. That does sound interesting. Also Valve continues the cheapest steam deck. Did
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you say continues or discontinues. I might have said continues. I meant discontinues.
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Right. Nice. A bit of a bit of an important clarity. Discontinued. Yes. They continued to
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discontinue.
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The show is brought to you by. Oh crap. I.
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My brain does not turn on this early in the morning. And it's brought to you by Squarespace
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laptop partner Dell and of course our rap partner D brand. Our D brand partner rap.
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let it be a crap top. Oh my God. Watch me go flip flap top. Oh yeah. Flap top. Yeah but
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you just rhymed top with top. You did laptop and flap top. I've heard far more egregious
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non rhymes in actual professional music sir. Fair enough. It has happened I guess. Yo.
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No. Okay sure. Yo let's go straight into Yo ho ho Spotify has been scraped and is being
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loaded on torrents and as archives scraped and downloaded 256 million rows of metadata
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actually wait no I lied I have something more important to talk about first and that is
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that these are out now and you have a very very limited amount of time to get them for
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20% off courtesy of oh God courtesy of YouTube the priz magic screwdrivers are here they're
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out non infringing purple non infringing teal non infringing orange and legally distinct
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gray they're all here delicious we're calling them plasma purple molten orange cryo teal and
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carbon black fun nostalgic Y2K clear tech colors it's the priz magic series of screwdrivers
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and we are teaming up with YouTube shop to offer 20% off from December 26th to the 30th
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20% off and this is not the kind of thing that's just like oh well you know LTT will just sell
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it for 20% off no we're teaming up with YouTube shop for the 20% off discount it is only
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eligible during this period so go to YouTube click on the video every LTT Store item that
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didn't happen Dan is going to link that because I believe it's actually unlisted right now
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but once when show goes live that video will go up add the priz magic screwdriver through
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YouTube shopping that's all you have to do the discount applies automatically but it is
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only for five days get it while you can we'll talk about other LTT Store stuff later but
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that is the most important one one quick sec while we talk about YouTube shopping adding it
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with YouTube shopping does that mean grabbing it down here how do they do that like if I'm on
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I'm on the the website if I'm on the website I see this banner so if you video on YouTube add
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product and cart through YouTube shopping discounts automatically applied I click view on
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YouTube you've got to be kidding me hold on Sammy says we're having issues right now trying
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to resolve oh hey everyone we're having some issues with YouTube shopping promo we're working
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on it as fast as we can what
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sorry I just I tried to go through the flow and was just like yeah cool no work and
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as archive the scraped and downloaded 256 million rows of metadata and 86 million
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auto audio files from Spotify totaling around 300 terabytes of data and as archive typically
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aggregates print media links for books and papers and provides searchable results in its
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mission of preserving humanity's knowledge and culture and as archive has been blocked in many
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countries and has had hundreds of millions of URL takedown requests filed with Google the
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86 million audio tracks that's me are composed of 160 kilobit per second quality for popular
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songs and it drops down to 75 kilobits per second for less listened tracks I am muted
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now these tracks represent 99.6% of listens on Spotify that's crazy they state this Spotify
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scrape is our humble attempt to start such a preservation archive for music of course Spotify
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doesn't have all the music in the world but it's a great start they will be releasing the data on
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their torrents page in different stages with the metadata already released then the music files
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will be dropped in order of popularity followed by additional file metadata and album art they also
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state on their blog for now this is a torrents only archive aimed at preservation but if there is
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enough interest we could add downloading of individual files to Anna's archive please let us know
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if you would like this Spotify later responded saying they have identified and disabled the
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accounts that were scraping the data they state since day one we have stood with the artist
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community against piracy and we are actively working with our industry partners to protect
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creators and defend their rights all right so this seems you know what let's have the
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conversation we were having pre-show oh boy Luke has a theory that that I think is an
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interesting theory and let's not get too deep into the granularity necessarily of it okay but
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Luke basically presented that he wasn't sure that people would be as yo ho ho are you know about
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this and I don't think they have been I would put that out there as they necessarily have been
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about other things and I just want to do like kind of a vibe check with the community basically
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I'll lay out sort of the bones of Luke's theory and then we can shiver me them timbers bury them
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six feet under or we can or we can keep talking about it but basically what he said was like
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there seems to be a sliding scale of acceptance like yeah like a pecking order of what's very
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okay to pirate versus what's not very okay to pirate TV shows seem to be very okay to pirate
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among sort of like you know the internet community sure books seem to be surprisingly okay
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thoughtlessly no one cares pirated with with no cares given you know websites with paywalls seem
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to get treated as just like like that was just an obstacle that was in the way of my God
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given right to view the website so they seem to be like on the highest level of acceptance for
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for that but then audio over and this is a funny thing because in the early torrenting days
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when it was when we called it Napster audio was like most of it audio was most of it yeah and
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that was mostly because just the internet wasn't really fast enough to meaningfully pirate movies
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and and TV shows and also streaming sites didn't really exist encoding technology wasn't as as awesome
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like you couldn't get great quality at an amount of you know bandwidth that was reasonable for you to
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actually download like it just you know video media just wasn't really feasible at that time but
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like what are what are your guys's what are your guys's take on this oh right so where I was going
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with that was but audio ever since I mean realistically ever since the all you can eat
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subscription model came to music I would say that music piracy while maybe maybe it's not deemed
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more acceptable than before it's certainly fallen out of vogue yeah and I will say that to counter
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my theory being more correct I suspect one of the reasons why there hasn't been as big of an explosion
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about this and his archive music thing as maybe there could have been is because a lot of people
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are subscribed to something YouTube premium which gives them YouTube music or Spotify or I don't
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know I'm assuming there's an Apple thing or title or whatever so they already have a subscription
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service that has practically everything so they just don't really like care that this archive is out
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there as much lion cat also brings up trying to buy TV shows and movies is really hard in digital
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formats that I don't have restrictions on whereas buying music with zero DRM is easy and fairly cheap
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so that sort of is it I believe so I mean I have I have mp3's that I bought on iTunes like 15 years
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ago that I could totally that's still a thing because that's the only way I don't know I don't know
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a couple artists that I've wanted to directly support so I've literally just like bought their thing
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and like I don't even know if it ever showed up it was like never the point right I just yeah but in a
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lot of cases if you're not an iTunes person band camp is that they do
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sort of has an interesting take here and to be clear I'm not I'm not backing any of these comments
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from float plain chat that I'm reading I'm just kind of reading them out because they're
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different from each other sort of says AI companies can scrape everything in existence
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I accept that everything is okay to pirate until AI companies with pirated data are gone after
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essentially that's interesting willing spy says if I cross the line I'm gonna cross the line
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I won't have any reservations so okay that's that's interesting doesn't feel like band camp is truly
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a solution in my view I'm looking up a few different things Dan vibes in float plain chat
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not to be confused with producer Dan says I'm a DJ I am also subscribed to official DJ libraries
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but for personal use I use certain YouTube downloaders so they so Dan vibes draws the line between
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commercial use and personal use that's an interesting line that is I think it's a semi common line
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yeah yeah no I can I can see that
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Savas I have no problem paying a certain amount of money for a single movie or TV show
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but all of them want subscriptions that drives me crazy I watch like one movie a month
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Stone Monarch says I only pirate music because even if I pay for it it gets removed
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I mean I think that's a bit of a rationalization Stone Monarch there's a there's a lot of music
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that doesn't get removed from subscription services I don't I don't think there's been like a mass
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removing event there certainly have been things that have been removed and that certainly is
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is a major downer I am I am like actively trying to buy a digital version of a particular album
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and I am not succeeding seriously I blink 182 album this I tried to make it a low-hanging
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that can't be that hard a digital version yeah it doesn't seem to be the easiest thing
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ever is this physical or digital audio CD nice solid literally literally solid it's solid
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the one on their actual store is an LP I looked up blink when I to on bandcamp right and they
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only have one album and it's Buddha which is like I don't think most people know that
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that album exists this is this is not like the easiest thing ever
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if I yeah yeah there's a website where I can find listings for it in CD vinyl and cassette
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forms but I can't find a digital version people are saying a couple random websites I'll try
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this one if this website is legit I'd really hope that it would come up in a search this is
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music streaming yeah okay download store okay I'll check I'll check so is the issue a service
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issue again oh wow float wow Floatplane chat is is is super active right now about this
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definitely a lot of opinions Ben 34 says I feel a lot less guilty pirating something if I support
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the person actively on social media I feel this is fine what do you think what does that mean
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well depends what you mean by supporting if like you press thumbs up once in a while on one of
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their tweets I would say that that does not count well listen my whole thing with piracy
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right is I've always said here's the impact you're gonna draw your own line what I can say
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is that the amount of money they would have made from you not pirating their stuff is substantially
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maybe even infinitely higher than what they're gonna make from you pressing thumbs up once
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in a while so you know if you're trying to if you're trying to find like a like a monetary
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support rationale then that's definitely not equivalent however you know if you're if you're
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drawing the line some other way then you know that's that's your line to draw but I would say
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they're not the same thing minor skills says I mean half the movies and shows I want to watch
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are not available anymore at all not in my country etc that's a that's a major one is like the
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whole regional licensing massive I think that's a huge driver for piracy there's a lot of this
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is one of the reasons why I basically refuse to subscribe to any of those services is somewhat
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somewhat in line with the person who said oh I might subscribe for a certain thing of music
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and then it's gone that's much more real in my opinion on the movies and TV show side of things
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yeah where you subscribe to a service and then I don't know the show some of the shows that you
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might have wanted might just disappear that's happened many times with things like Netflix
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clapped k-24 accord says I'll gladly buy a concert shirt when I'm seeing artists perform live
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if you aren't good enough for me to see live I don't feel the need to directly support you
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and then goes on to completely obliterate their own argument saying only exception is the
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tragically hip and other bands where members have died and disbanded right exactly or members
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where live performances are not practical because you know they they do a lot of post-processing
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on their music and that's you know is not conducive to performing live or maybe they have a health
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condition that makes it so that they can't perform live or you know there's a I think that's a
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I think that again not taking a stance on your stance but you took a stance on your stance
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you said this is my line by the way here's a giant hole in the line that I that I drew
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and that that was on you who did that not me
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music's good on shuffle videos and more yeah wow this is really really interesting
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okay the outlier says I pirate music music videos and movies however videos I have a
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Spotify account for actually listening to music and an offline backup in case it gets taken down
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so yeah like on a personal level I kind of like that I buy blue rays vinyls of content I love
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and I go and see many live shows and go to the theaters regularly so you are the outlier
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aren't you it's literally the username the outlier oh yeah okay I mean yeah it's it is very
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interesting to see how easy it was for any time I've ever talked about piracy for it to
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tick off a large percentage of the audience because reading through these comments and the
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conversations like this is about the fastest I think I can remember seeing Floatplane chat
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moving move yeah everybody has drawn not just like a line on a linear scale for like how much
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piracy is okay because there's all the different ways of piracy piracy aing there's all the
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different mediums that you can pirate there's all the different definitions of piracy I mean
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there's a lot of folks myself included who feel that piracy is circumvention of the of the
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of the payment of a media good like to me that was always kind of what it fundamentally boiled
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down to there are clearly folks who do not agree to them piracy requires it to be illegal
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explicitly that was and and I believe that is actually like dictionary definition yeah correct
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I think that's the reason why you switched to calling it privateering yes so it's like this
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whole it becomes like a whole spirit versus letter of the law sort of argument at that point
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which again to me has always been you know sort of sort of arbitrary but to a lot of people
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is a very important line that they draw for their own personal morality so that they don't
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have to wear a tricorn hat or something but yeah it's clear it's clear that y'all are okay
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man I keep getting new takes here ick see your face goes I'd never pirate fiction but non-fictional
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educational pretty much always I think that's also a pretty common line to be honest also really
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yeah I think so I mean explain it to me when you're on dude when you're on university
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campuses the the hats are on yeah sure the hats are firmly positioned I just a little bit
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on the older side because digital textbooks was not as much of a thing when I was in my
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first couple years barely creaking into being a thing when I was going to school I bought
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all my textbooks used people were that was a thing just about it and then I resold them
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in in some cases I definitely honestly do agree there are a lot of documented documented
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counts where people are bumping revisions of books for practically nothing where the
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author of the book is the teacher of the class and then bumping revisions to make you buy
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new ones and like all this yeah there is a lot of very obviously unfair play in the
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educational space and you know it's still not legal for that whole line thing that
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we're talking about right I can definitely understand why someone's line could be placed
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in a position where they're like I'm cool the pirate this I'm going to be okay with
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that because it's like you know you're you're spending a mind shattering amount on getting
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North American education and yeah 2024 study showed a huge number of student
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students pirate books and also share them around totally makes that zero zero says
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there's even some university lecturers who will send an email out saying don't use these
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websites yeah these ones this is a thing that has actually also happened many times
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make it easier for them to find them yeah like it's it's it's tough because think
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think of how many scenarios you are required to buy a book
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clapped k-24 Accord says I proudly pirated the Canadian electrical code if safety is
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that important I ain't paying $300 on it get wrecked yeah people have their own line right
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I could see there being certain educational books that I would feel really bad about
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pirating yeah and I could see there being certain educational books where I'd be like
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download like I don't know I think it really depends on the the one specifically for me
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yeah and I can be the biggest takeaway here is that literally no two people sitting next
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to each other in a room could possibly agree a hundred percent on what's okay and what's
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not okay to pirate yeah unless they were absolutists unless they were literally sith
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yeah yeah only a sith speaks in absolutes literally nothing is okay or literally everything
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which there are people in both camps yeah there there are there are people I do wonder
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as many of them in this conversation right now in this chat but there are people I do
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wonder if eventually you could poke a hole in most of those people's belief system though
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simply by bringing it back around to something that that they work on because it's amazing
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how quickly you can do that where you kind of go okay but what if what if they pirated
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you know this thing that you create you know what if some but what if somebody didn't pay
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you for your work and they'll be like well obviously you know that's an exception because
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there's I know there's a oh I hope I don't misrepresent their argument but I know there's
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a group of people where it's all information should be free at all times and it just that's
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their line and they don't care if they make it or not make it yeah if they're creating
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information whatever that might be oh I do believe that for there are a significant number
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of people that at the actually walk that walk oh yeah but also most of the people who say
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they do I have not found that they actually do I know I've met people that do but I think
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I would agree with you on that one where a lot of people hear that and be like oh that sounds
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cool and then not actually like really think about the consequences while there are definitely
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people that have thought about the consequences and are just like yep totally I'm going to
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contribute to open source stuff we're going to do all these other things yeah I'm going to
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absolutely walk this walk and it just it is it is what it is is there a man oh how do we
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because like for software yeah you know open source is like the you know the solution like
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but I don't I don't think there's like an open source you know music open source movies
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solution you kind of get where I'm where I'm going with this like if you were if you're
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someone who believes fundamentally that software should all be free then there's like there's
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a path so they're just to all software being free it's kind of it's been kind of laid out
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we just have to we have to do it whereas like movies I don't I don't think there's a path
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to movies being free I don't know there's people that have started putting things up I know this
35:05
this is a line that's going to get really interesting really fast but there's people that
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have been putting up people saying oh yeah public libraries it's a good one Creative Commons
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but how do you distribute well I think who's going to make them that that's more the issue
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like with with open source I think we've kind of solved the who's going to make it issue
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and we've solved how they're going to get paid it's going to be through support contracts
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major companies all right so that's how we're doing this and then but on the movie side
35:34
who will make them and how will they be paid I don't I don't see yeah this is some people
35:39
in chat are already saying the thing that I've been thinking about and this is going to
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become an interesting conversation fast like I just said previously but YouTube there's
35:48
I don't remember it but there's a YouTube documentary that went up and did really well
35:53
and they got approached by a few different larger companies including Netflix and some
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other ones to take that documentary make it exclusive to their paid subscription platform
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and they said no the reason why they said no was because they thought they would have
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better flexibility and potentially financials by staying on YouTube because of I think it
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was a great feature on interesting so it was crowdfunding what are we going to do how do
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you how do you start you have to you have to start in that realm by by design like from
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the yeah and it's tough and it's and I do man there was a people stay subscribed for
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the three years it takes you to make your next documentary that's I think that's tough
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it's very tough and and we'll you will YouTube continue to inchify to the point where it's
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it's it's going to become a major problem like like I I came across a really interesting
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thread on the LTT subreddit this week just about how crap YouTube's getting and we actually
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we did this last week but I think it bears doing again this is my YouTube homepage there
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is yeah an ad live stream live stream two live streams five shorts a row of shorts which
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like don't if they don't even autoplay the whole thing they just stop you have to click
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them you have it's it's by design you know it's by design then we get what another live stream
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an ad a vaude the first vaude oh my god YouTube playables these ai slop garbage games so out
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of my first two pages so I'm below the fold already one vaude it is I will say it is
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kind of somewhat based YouTube that the one vaude that you got is like a really small
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video because part of YouTube is discoverability and all that kind of stuff but it's it's one
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why is it why is it one okay let's keep going I mean I haven't I haven't prepped this right
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below the fold again okay here we go a Boston Dynamics video that's pretty popular Jurassic
38:14
Park but with a cat a ShortCircuit video okay we got three vots another row of shorts
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another live stream another live stream another ad a 10 year old video from what 13 years
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old but yeah sure who's counting we got electro boom in here okay so we get a few vots another
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live stream another fireplace please tell me that's not the same fireplace no it's a different
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fireplace sorry one second can we look at that video real quick Virginia traffic attorney
38:40
Luke J. Nichols dot MOV from 13 years ago I mean it's got four and a half million views
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oh it's an ad it must have been used as an ad this is he's just talking about his practice
38:51
totally it must have so it's just an ad and it like it probably was an ad at some point
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it probably isn't an ad anymore because there's no way yeah this is clearly not parody though
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this is an actual ad for Virginia traffic attorney Luke J. Nichols dynamo v am I missing
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something here okay now I'm clicking it I must be missing something here I don't know
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how I found this video but I didn't expect to see outdoor boys your new job is way cooler
39:20
than a traffic attorney wait that's outdoor boys okay that makes sense why they got so
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many views that is totally him what the heck okay got it I didn't recognize the name immediately
39:32
that is incredibly random hilarious so what happens if I call this number you know let's
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not do that yeah that's not necessary we're not that kind of show but so how much farther
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and then this was sort of the conversation that some people were we're trying to have
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in the reddit thread but like how much more in verification is there for YouTube to go
39:57
through I mean I do feel like this whole AI slop game thing might be the jump the shark
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moment it feels like it to me I think I rented about this last week but yeah YouTube really
40:10
had to find their way I'm I am genuinely rather terrified because that was the answer right
40:18
like that was the communities and your answer to how we're going to not have everything
40:23
be major studio funded and we're going to have like indie be possible the answer is
40:27
YouTube has been the bastion yes they've been the way for for small projects to survive
40:35
and and fund themselves you know off platform on Patreon or even through YouTube directly
40:40
but how is Vaude supposed to survive on YouTube when literally AI slop games are given better
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billing in the first two pages of the site then significantly better than Vaude videos
40:56
yeah and when I say Vaude I don't mean that you know a lot of this other stuff isn't also
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technically video on demand but that's the way that YouTube refers to it is there's shorts
41:07
there's Vaude's there's live so so Vaude that's like your traditional you know 16 by 9
41:14
YouTube upload that's meant to be watched on a on a screen that isn't vertical and isn't
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meant to be like you know played a game on AI slop junk and I don't know and obviously
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this you know affects me personally right because that's the majority of Linus media
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groups work is is Vaude and even though we do dabble in shorts I can tell you now that
41:43
unless you're selling something through your shorts there's not there's not a sustainable
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amount of money to be made not at any kind of scale like I think as an individual person
41:52
you could survive on shorts just kind of filming yourself or maybe even a couple people a few
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people small team but beyond that you're going to need to start to seek sponsorships you're
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going to need to start to sell something ran into a really cool shorts creator who became
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a shorts creator because of his like frozen dessert business as opposed to yeah there's
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a bunch of that around it's weird but yeah yeah we're like the ads we've the ads have
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become the content which is sort of wild that part's very interesting hey I think people
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I think there's some people out there who would make the same argument about us yeah it's
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it's that's again where your line is because some people see certain types of content as
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ads it also depends on their necessarily perception right like there is stuff that we do that I
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would say classified it could be classified as as advertisement like fully like we did
42:51
a fully sponsored short on these like wave generator things we just put them in my hot tub
42:55
and turned it into a whirlpool yeah no I mean we do actually really fair amount of things
42:59
that are that are effectively ads we try to make them entertaining but they're effectively
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ads but there's a lot of people who consider like you know anything that we do building
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a computer to be an ad simply because those are things you can buy and it's like well
43:11
no that's not actually how that works either line gets funky all right but my like I'm
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terrified for what's happening to YouTube thing actually has nothing to do with like
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my job or this place it's entirely just that like I don't know there's comments in
43:33
in full plane chat of like oh YouTube YouTube can definitely I can't remember where it was
43:37
I'm not going to find it sorry but YouTube can definitely get worse they've proven that
43:41
before it's like yeah man I don't know I'm definitely on the like let's dog on YouTube
43:46
chain I guess yeah but like I mean it's also pretty amazing and yeah there really isn't
43:53
anything else there out there like it and I really don't think it's going to happen
43:57
if YouTube goes down we're not going to get this back again you look at the incumbents
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what are they doing yeah just worse things than what YouTube's doing yeah and that's
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and that was with YouTube to be there as a guiding star and show them how to create a
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creator economy company like Twitter talked a good game for a while about you know more
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revenue sharing with creators and and this and that and then I think eventually their
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leadership figured out or that that's not happening or got distracted by something
44:33
tick-tock I don't think bite dance has any intention of ever having a revenue sharing
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model like YouTube introduced I don't which has revenue sharing like pretty pretty decent
44:48
revenue sharing I'd say that's like the other platform where creators can realistically
44:53
like make enough money to sustain teams to build companies like come on are we talking
45:00
about which being better than YouTube in 2026 oh no but this is my point though like and
45:05
they've abandoned Vaude so Vaude is pretty functionally completely abandoned on Twitch
45:10
I've had people who don't understand what Floatplane is say oh this is float planes
45:18
opportunity no it is not we're not doing that it's not happening that will literally never
45:25
happen it will never ever happen the only reason that YouTube works is because it operates
45:31
at such a colossal scale that no amount of you know what Floatplane team super talented
45:39
amazing leadership great job thanks man Peters and Peters in full plane chat right now
45:45
saying yeah please no yeah we're good we're not doing that but a project of that scale
45:52
no matter how I will say it right now and I don't mean this to be offensive to the float
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plane team in any way no no amount of venture capital money would make that viable but that
46:03
has been proven already like if anyone was gonna do it it was basically gonna be Amazon
46:09
yeah with adding Vaude to Twitch and then yeah they don't work there anymore it's probably
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fine I'm not gonna name them but I have talked to Twitch people who during that segment of
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time were like we are going to lose we were never going to win this is a failed idea their
46:27
moat is astronomically bigger than everyone thinks and no one will ever touch YouTube
46:32
and that like almost it's been too many years to say that verbatim but like it's close like
46:38
they there was there's no chance and that's still kind of true unless they remove the
46:44
moat themselves the only real rocket on it they're cooking inside the building and my
46:52
my concern is that threat inside the building is too much you sound scared I am kind of
46:56
scared the like the future of online knowledge sharing with YouTube brought into its core
47:04
is dark like I you look at like so many different ways and there's some there's people talking
47:11
about how they're there stopping using social media and all these different things are
47:16
happening and like there's there's goodness in that but the sad part of that is that
47:21
YouTube was often take that dear God the call is coming from inside the house because
47:34
YouTube threat from yeah it's pretty good that's pretty good I was so confused looking
47:38
at my phone is like did you get spoofed or something yeah it's okay all right gravity
47:49
cube asks it's just concerning but why is it not feasible I understand money but what is
47:56
the part that is so expensive okay so uploading for free is fucking insane for one thing that's
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that's the start like the whole uploading for free only made sense at the beginning because
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investment funding burning money user acquisition period it was it was the mid 2000s slash sort
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of late 2000s and I mean even well into the 2010s that was the Silicon Valley model you
48:30
just burned investor money and then you acquired many many many many users and then usually
48:37
you exited to a much larger company who figured out how to make money off of it eventually
48:43
or just kind of didn't and continued to burn money and just acquire users see twitch as
48:51
an example that was just the model but what happened to the vast majority of other you
48:59
know free to use free to upload free to download services like you know let's let's look at
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Dropbox as an example Dropbox you know made no sense how much they were giving away for
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free in the early days eventually they had to look at it and go oh my god this doesn't
49:17
make any sense and they had to build like a viable business model yeah and now Dropbox
49:23
is popularity is they were like dude they were like basically everywhere yeah cloud storage
49:31
yeah at the time you know in the early days and now it's like yeah Dropbox I don't know
49:36
what did you did you fail to pay do you know did you get cut off by let's see you know Google
49:43
one it is one drive interesting that they're I cloud their tagline is registered users
49:51
I believe it so like that whole that whole model never made any sense except YouTube
50:03
YouTube has somehow has somehow made it work so we would have to find and the somehow right
50:09
is they got bought by Google who continued to throw money into the money furnace until
50:16
such point as they were able to extract enough data that they were able to leverage it to
50:23
make enough on that data that they were able to turn it into a self-sustaining machine
50:29
without the deep deep deep ad business that Google has without the way that they leverage user data
50:47
to make money in their advertising business I just don't see how it could be done and you can look
50:54
at other examples of of strong advertising companies I'd say Facebook would probably be
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the closest thing at this point Meta Meta tried and I don't think Vaude has ever really taken
51:10
off on Meta short form they have a lot form for sure but Meta's model is also so different
51:17
like you I know like literally one creator that does well on Facebook Vaude and and I know there
51:24
are some other creators that do they have some demographics but it's really it's not YouTube
51:29
and it's very very very far from being YouTube and then the other side of it so Google figured out
51:34
how to bring in enough revenue to make it make sense but then they also had to figure out how to scale
51:40
up their infrastructure to make it affordable and I don't know if you guys have noticed this
51:45
but Moore's law and like the way that storage you know costs per terabyte are going like it
51:54
you can't just count on your next data center to be twice as fast have twice as much storage
52:01
and cost half as much as the last one you built anymore the the large scale corporate entities
52:09
are up against the exact same challenges that we are when we go to build a new gaming PC
52:16
and realize oh my god this thing like costs the same or more is not that much faster than my old one
52:25
you know what maybe I'll just keep my five-year-old gaming PC because realistically a five-year-old
52:29
gaming PC today is still going to play anything you'd want to play and you have it already
52:36
you don't have to you don't have to buy a new one I mean they have oh man they have when when you're
52:41
operating at that scale your power and your cooling become major concerns and you might have to upgrade
52:46
just from like an efficiency standpoint but in terms of like performance and especially storage
52:51
we did a video a while back that was I forget exactly what we called it but it basically laid out the case
52:58
for why oh what was it YouTube made a made a controversial move it was something to do with
53:06
YouTube premium is this the skip ad thing no I think it was like resolution I think it was the
53:13
resolution thing like why 4k should be a premium feature something like that yeah thank you
53:18
in Floatplane chat where we basically showed how how the cost per gig of storage used to go down
53:27
very rapidly very rapidly god rapidly and then just like stopped yeah and meanwhile more and more
53:36
people are carrying around 4k video cameras in their pockets all while the storage doesn't get cheaper
53:43
the way that it used to so the only way to make it affordable is to just what I don't know there's
53:50
no magic it's not like Google gets magic hard drives that don't cost money yeah so apparently
53:58
the answer is this
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all right oh my god now that I've watched one video yeah now now all wow this is
54:18
crazy amazing huh YouTube playables wow I'm sure glad this exists 48 million plays with that said I
54:34
don't know you know no one has ever known what does number means yeah we all kind of trust YouTube to
54:41
be somewhat consistent in their application of that number whether it's views or streams or plays
54:49
but I actually sent them an email to my to my rep the other day that I you know I was really
54:59
confused by let me see if I can find it yeah here it is so let me let me fire this let me fire this
55:06
over to you Dan share nice noise oh my god where's teams in my share menu why is it not here
55:19
oh they changed the icon recently that's right there it is just once why would I want to always share to
55:24
the same app just stupid interface thing I am finally daily in the fold seven just in time for the
55:32
triple to come out and I absolutely love it so far that it definitely has some issues but it's pretty awesome
55:42
this is terrible what's up maybe it's better on a phone I'm trying to play one of these I'm trying to play
55:49
that game that had 48 million plays oh here sure oh it's like so all of your movement it's interesting
55:57
this works on YouTube but all of your movement is I see my mouse there's this like touch pad
56:02
spot which is it means you know it's almost certainly just made for a mobile phone so that's
56:07
probably a big part of the problem but I am a unhearable ninja as far as I can tell I get cash
56:15
immediately this probably counts as another play clicking next level yeah yeah probably I can get
56:24
firearms I don't have enough money for any of this cool good game design they can't hear me so I just
56:32
walk near them and they get shanked even if they see me for a second doesn't really matter I could probably
56:37
just speedrun all this by just running into them wow I did it this is the game why has this been played
56:44
48 million times I do suspect it's because every single time you load a level it's probably counts as the
56:48
game being played again well that's the thing is like how how do things count do do do do do do do do do
56:56
no all right sweet okay I think that's probably enough of that sure so I so I sent this screenshot
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yep go ahead down over to my YouTube rep and I was basically like okay I'm trying to understand what's
57:11
going on here it seems like this brand is buying views against this video so you can actually see it
57:19
on the left there that's my my left circle I hadn't switched to a fold phone yet so this was
57:25
the interface I was dealing with and I wanted to send just one screenshot because I don't know
57:30
whatever I did so on the left you can see the stair step of where the brand like ran an advertising
57:37
campaign to buy views for this video right yeah so it got a lot of views but you can see the watch time
57:49
is relatively tanked basically negligible like not just not just doesn't track in lockstep with the
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views because I would fully expect that a purchased view a viewer might not stick around for as long
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right as someone who they might stick around for five seconds comes across the content organically right
58:12
oh okay well she should message me then I didn't get a message from her
58:22
sorry to interrupt yeah yeah no all good okay
58:29
well okay no right right right right right no I know how that one works I can just send that to her
58:36
okay fine I'm doing it I'm doing it I'm doing it now yeah no she did she did not message me
58:46
so I don't know there I sent it so basically my my so my question to the YouTube rep was like look
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I understand that how a view is counted is sort of the secret sauce YouTube doesn't share the criteria
59:01
but is it maybe possible for me to at least understand how something like this can happen
59:07
curiously there's been a small uptick in subscribers that seems to correspond to the the campaign
59:16
that's being run really how do you get new views new subscribers but functionally zero new watch time
59:27
hi Linus just getting back to you
59:34
yep since they're running it as an ad it's not surprising people will be watching for far shorter than usual
59:40
and I said yeah I get that I'm just wondering why that quality you can take it away done why that quality
59:48
is as a view it would seem like you know organically if people were finding this organically
60:04
but what is very clear to me is that view that doesn't necessarily have a set definition
60:14
because I cannot I don't think I've ever in my 18 years of uploading to YouTube ever seen a video
60:22
it's very strange that tracked that far off for watch time and for views
60:27
which is clearly just people clicking skip ad clearly yeah like very clearly yeah but at the end of the day
60:35
right I noticed this as well by the way I was trying to talk to somebody about how viewership on YouTube is
60:41
like it like mind-blowingly spiky these days and how sometimes it's kind of surprising because I thought that video
60:47
was pretty good and I went to bring up that video as an example and I was like whoa okay I was trying to point out
60:53
that it had lower than views and I would expect and I was like what the heck so I went on this huge tangent
60:58
where I was like bring up the dashboard trying to figure out what the heck was going on and then I saw those charts
61:01
and was just like okay well it's pretty obvious what happened yeah but nobody actually watched it except a few people
61:08
did because they subscribed to the channel unless there's like whole bot networks snake eating its own tail
61:15
kind of that will watch that will go out of their way to watch ads and then subscribe or something
61:23
bot network views this feels like it was YouTube ad views
61:26
oh that I don't know probably but no what I'm saying is no no what if there's bot networks that are designed to watch the ad content
61:37
and subscribe to it to seem like legitimate users so that those bot accounts can be reused later or whatever like I could
61:44
yeah like they're just farming new bot accounts or something I look I don't I don't
61:49
piggybacking on a system that exists to try to legitimize themselves in some way interesting
61:54
and you know what it's not the most egregious sort of abuse of of metrics to make advertisers feel like they're getting
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something for their money that I've ever seen I remember my old boss at NCIX not Taren not the owner of the company
62:10
Jack I remember him explaining to me how magazines and newspapers managed to sell their advertising for so much money
62:19
and it blew my mind at the time because you know to me a techie guy for whom one megahertz is one megahertz
62:26
and nothing more nothing less right to have something so emotional be sold and then bought by somebody was just inconceivable right
62:39
but he's like yeah so you got to understand that on the internet you know an ad view is an ad view by and large
62:47
but with magazines they would actually have like a multiplier so first they would assume that every single magazine that was sold
62:55
to a person who viewed every single ad in it but then they assume it's left on a coffee table or whatever else oh my god
63:01
and I think the multiplier you know depending on the yeah depending on the the the publication could be 2x or even 5x
63:12
and these are just like assumptions that would be kind of like hidden in the in the footnotes of the sales deck but that's wild
63:19
yeah right to a certain limited degree sure but it's there's no way it's as high as they were saying
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no I mean it's no way it was even one yeah like if we're being real like what what happened to an unsold magazine
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it didn't get read by three people come on also not every single thing in the entire magazine is read
63:39
and back when magazines were a thing it was very common to be like oh yeah I read front page and page eight and that's it every time
63:47
I don't read anything else so actually back in those days I didn't know that many people that would read the whole thing
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I don't think I knew anybody so anyways I mean there are certain magazines that the articles were the only thing that I was interested in
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mm-hmm mm-hmm for sure yes it's important to note as well everything else was unnecessary filler mm-hmm and I would
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I would sometimes there was filler on them and I would make sure I would check every page I would check every page to verify
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if it was in fact filler and and I would look closely to be sure that I knew that it was certainly filler
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sometimes I might spend more time on those pages verifying that they were filler yes yes
64:42
anyways topic to the RAM shortage oh is here to stay likely resulting in raised prices on PCs and phones
64:52
ah yes thank you International Data Corporation IDC for verifying what everyone else I think has known for a while
65:03
IDC market analysis finds that because memory makers like Micron, Samsung and SK Hynex are shifting supply to AI data center
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stock is tightening for everyday devices and companies that compete on low price with budget products are getting hit hardest
65:16
and are responding by raising prices or cutting features Apple and Samsung have secured their supply early as if that's going to stop them from raising prices
65:26
but PC makers like Dell, HP, Acer, etc. are already signaling price increases as memory costs climb
65:34
so yes it's another ramp up rampocalypse topic but there are a couple of new things that
65:41
that make this not like what we've seen before
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so first something that we have seen before Valve discontinued the least expensive Steam Deck
65:57
this was the $400 LCD model that was sometimes on sale for as little as $350
66:04
it has been quietly discontinued and quietly all of the remaining stock was snapped up
66:11
so now the cheapest Steam Deck I believe is the OLED
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hold on a second I'm trying to find it uh oh my search here is not fine is it in the dockered oh yeah here it is
66:25
so now the most affordable option is the 512 gig OLED version for $550
66:36
oh man the Steam Deck was so the affordability of the Steam Deck was such a game changer
66:47
like for PC gaming and to be clear I have hope that affordable Steam Deck will return
66:55
it's just that you can't do anything about your supplier cost
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and I don't think it's fair to I don't think Valve wants to do this at all
67:06
I don't think it's fair yeah exactly to be mad at Valve over their incoming supply
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over their sourcing costs going up a lot
67:17
to be clear I like to often point out their 30% take
67:21
and how they're not quite the benevolent gods
67:25
that people say they are pretty freaking cool
67:28
they're quite based often but the way that Valve has approached gambling for instance
67:34
the way that Valve just kind of takes their take
67:37
and imperfect algorithmic etc
67:41
and you know not standing up to payment processors
67:45
around us just being allowed to spend our money however we like
67:48
which should be the way that it works Valve is not perfect however
67:51
this is one of the ways that they've actually been super cool for a long time
67:54
is they're really not they understand the model
67:57
if we're gonna sell you this thing and it's gonna have our store on it and you're gonna buy our games and that's great
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therefore the thing doesn't have to be too expensive and they've been keeping stuff like the Steam Deck
68:06
like really cheap for a long time
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and I don't think there's a shift here where they're like oh RAM prices are up we can loot people now
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which is I'm for sure happening
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I'm for sure that's happening at some companies somewhere
68:21
and I really don't think it's happening so basically we're not bootlicking Valve
68:26
we're just trying to make sure that our anger right now
68:31
is directed at the correct sources
68:35
and we're gonna start having like fancy restaurant pricing
68:39
for things where it just says like market price on everything
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and the market price is just dictated by RAM
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I feel like that's something that I did not get across very well last week
68:48
when I was trying to talk about the sort of perspective shift
68:52
so that whole conversation went up on LMG Clips
68:56
and a lot of people were extremely mad about it in fairness
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I did not open the conversation very tactfully
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but the point I was trying to... If I can interject for a moment
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What you're referring to as tactless was in fact tactless plus
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I think part of the problem is that you script think out loud
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I've been thinking about this since you mentioned it before the show
69:24
and I think that was Linus script thinking out loud
69:27
which is where you kind of start with this dramatic position
69:33
Oh, I see and then you distill it and you research it
69:36
and you massage it into a well thought out argument
69:39
that ends up being a script and you script thunk out loud on WAN Show
69:44
and people were like, oh! A lot of people didn't watch that far into the clip
69:47
I can tell you that much but basically what I was trying to get across
69:51
and so a lot of the comments are about how
69:54
well, you got to understand that housing is way more expensive
69:58
and health care is way more expensive we have a lot of American viewers
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and food is way more expensive and computers are way more expensive
70:05
and I guess what I was trying to get across last week
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is if for the last...
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I mean realistically the whole thing kind of goes back to
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sometime in the 70s when
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when wages just completely decoupled from corporate earnings
70:23
because they track pretty close up until like 70s, 80s
70:28
I wonder what happened back then I don't know, who knows, no one knows
70:32
but they track pretty close up until then and then they just completely decoupled from each other
70:38
and I guess the point that I was trying to make last week
70:41
is like if you've been having the shit kicked out of you
70:45
for 50 years by housing and food
70:51
and shelter, sorry, housing and food
70:54
and utilities and essentials
70:59
That's happening right now too energy prices are going through the roof
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and clothing and then all that time
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gaming has been there for you with a full retail game being $60
71:12
somehow in spite of everything else going like this
71:17
and computers have been there for you
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like this, while everything else has gone like this
71:24
and flat screen TVs have been there for you
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like this, while everything else has gone like this
71:30
and flat screens are still there for some reason somehow
71:35
I guess what I was trying to get across last week
71:38
was that, yes, this RAM pricing blip
71:41
really sucks, especially if you have to buy some RAM right now
71:46
but compared to the absolute beating
71:50
that all of these other essentials have been dishing out
71:57
it still hasn't even remotely kept up
72:01
with how much everything else has gone up
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and it sucks
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and especially the reason sucks
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like the fact that it's just so that we can have more AI
72:15
that I don't think anyone, especially in this community
72:18
is really asking for Yeah, a massive amount of the output that I see from those systems
72:25
is junk that no one wants so if we didn't just make all the junk that no one wants
72:32
this probably wouldn't be happening legitimately
72:35
So yeah, I guess what I was trying to get across
72:38
is like guys, the fact that we can still buy
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a Steam Deck for $550
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that's a lot worse than $400
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which is how much we could buy it for a week ago
72:51
for how much value and how much entertainment
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and how much we can extract from that Steam Deck
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for $550
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All I was trying to say is
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hey, let's not be
73:06
super mad at Valve about this
73:09
You can be mad about the situation
73:12
You should be mad about the situation
73:15
Like dude, I was reading about
73:18
how much the big food
73:22
lobby has engaged with the current
73:25
administration to defang
73:29
the good parts of the
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Make America Healthy Again initiative
73:35
And it's been unprecedented
73:38
They're all spending at rates that are at least decade long highs
73:42
in some cases all-time highs to just defang all this stuff
73:46
You should totally be mad
73:49
You should be super mad right now There's honestly too many things to be mad about
73:54
But I do feel like in some ways and this is what I was talking about
73:58
with the perspective adjustment I feel like in some ways
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our passion for gaming and our passion for technology
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is making it so that
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we are more angry
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at this thing that
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that we love than at the things that have actually been
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beating the sh** out of us far more
74:23
in a much longer period of time
74:27
I don't think I did a great job of explaining that
74:31
But I was trying to be more positive
74:34
I was trying to be a little more positive
74:39
And you know what, it's funny because there was a time probably about
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I don't know, six, seven years ago
74:48
I'll stop It's so dead
74:52
That's when it becomes fun I am that old guy
74:56
Did you just dab? Nice
75:00
I can't even do it properly There we go
75:04
See, now it's fun Now it's fun
75:08
I can't even do it right Okay, anyway
75:12
There was somewhere between Totally fake Arthur and the whole plane chat
75:16
It's mods banned them
75:19
Somewhere between five and eight years ago
75:22
There you go We were really leaning into more negativity
75:27
in our content More anger at the stagnation
75:31
in silicon improvements more rants
75:35
And Yvonne actually sat me down
75:38
and was like, okay, listen Is that good for anybody?
75:42
Does that help anybody? Does that help anybody get a better deal on their next computer?
75:47
Does that help anybody
75:51
feel more positive about the system that they're building
75:55
to play games? Can you find a positive side?
75:59
And I kind of went, okay, yeah Yeah, I think I can
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Excuse me The Steam Summer Sale is still there for us
76:07
There's so many games that come out these days
76:11
that do not have high system requirements And I know
76:15
I know that there's a large extremely vocal
76:19
part of the community that is very angry
76:23
about new games having high system requirements that can't be run without upscaling
76:27
or frame generation or whatever else And it's like
76:31
Whoa, whoa, whoa You could probably count on your fingers and toes
76:35
those releases Whereas every week
76:39
Steam gets flooded with many games that are a lot of fun to play
76:43
that you don't have to do any of that for You can play on a 10 year old Linux computer
76:47
It's a very interesting tone shift because of how much people liked Crisis
76:51
I know, I know It was practically impossible to run
76:55
and it was like fun trying to see if you could and stuff like that
76:59
But okay, you know what? I think that is such a critical
77:03
point that you've landed on there because why are people yelling at me
77:07
over on LMG clips? Why are people yelling at
77:11
Hey, hold on Hold on, hold on
77:15
Why are people yelling at game developers for building games that demand
77:19
the fastest computers? Why are people angry
77:23
at all of these places that didn't create the problem?
77:27
Well, it's because of that passion
77:31
That's exactly what I was talking about So back then
77:35
they didn't have to the same degree that it's there now
77:39
all these external stressors Oh yeah, yeah, yeah
77:43
that are impeding on their ability to It was so much easier to just live
77:47
to splurge on a new GPU or that could make it so you could aspire
77:51
to one day owning a system that could run it
77:55
It's the hopelessness that is actually caused
77:59
by all these other factors I mean, when was the last time
78:03
on WAN Show? Think about it
78:07
The last time we talked about a technology industry
78:11
hiring wave
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Who is our f***ing audience? Yeah, early
78:19
It would have been early Covid It happened, it would have been early Covid
78:23
Something that I think is interesting just on this topic
78:27
we started this company in your garage That was
78:31
a normal thing for companies with
78:35
low amounts of money to do back then
78:39
Most people don't have garages anymore
78:43
If now that would have been a privileged position
78:47
which is nuts Even then it was a privileged position
78:51
I remember Yvonne and I shopping for our house
78:55
and pushing ourselves for a detached house
78:59
There are cheaper detached houses that have garages And that was with her
79:03
I mean, yes but also not by as much as you might think
79:07
We were already in the burbs We already, it wasn't like
79:11
a large house by those standards
79:15
It was older It was old when we bought it
79:19
but not like cool you know, heritage
79:23
Not retro It was just old
79:27
And so we almost bought like a row home
79:31
Yeah That was what was kind of comfortable
79:35
and then we pushed ourselves hard and you've got to remember
79:39
that I am married to someone who I don't think really clued in
79:43
to how exceptional she is until I finally did it
79:47
I think I got through to her We were in the Costco parking lot
79:51
We were walking into the store and I
79:55
I was like, yeah I always
79:59
like knew but I never really thought about
80:03
how insane it is that you got hired
80:07
as the manager of a Costco pharmacy at 23
80:11
That is f***ing insane
80:15
Just graduated Major corporation
80:19
Straight to manager Super high hiring standards
80:23
Straight to managing a department with functionally no experience
80:27
I mean, she had some pharmacy work experience from her practicum
80:31
and I think she had like a years experience half a years experience or something
80:35
working at Save On in the pharmacy there
80:39
and she went straight to managing a department
80:43
and I was like, I was thinking about it because
80:47
I don't think we've ever seen
80:51
and no offense to the many, many very talented people who work for
80:55
Allied Atlantis Media Group I don't think we have ever seen anyone
80:59
who's walked in at 23 and we've gone, holy s***
81:05
We will hire this person to manage a team
81:09
of 15 to 20 people immediately
81:13
and she was like, oh yeah I never really thought about that before
81:17
and I was like, yeah, okay, have I finally gotten through
81:21
So anyway, the point that I was getting at here is that was with the benefit
81:25
of her working as a pharmacy manager, which is not
81:29
normal for our cohort I should not have been married
81:33
to someone that was making six figures I also dropped out
81:37
and got extremely I worked hard
81:41
and I like to think that I'm also not stupid right, but I got pretty lucky
81:45
not everyone who took an entry level job at NCIX
81:49
advanced to senior management in four years
81:53
or whatever, five years or whatever it was I do think you're making all this comparison, which is all fair
81:57
but your house that house was more expensive
82:01
and the location makes it way more expensive
82:05
if we're looking at like the North America's
82:09
as a whole, it was relatively common to have a garage
82:13
available to start your company at that year So okay, I was looking at it
82:17
from like a Vancouver market perspective you're looking at it from a North America
82:21
culturally for people who would have watched the video
82:25
for the largest demographic of people that would have watched the video
82:29
in Vancouver, even then a garage was crazy
82:33
and it was because Yvonne and I just like
82:37
teamed up and life together hard
82:41
from 18, which is also not normal
82:45
I look back and I go, if I had to
82:49
solo it for
82:53
some period of years instead of having a partner
82:57
everything would have been way harder absolutely everything
83:03
Yeah, fair enough
83:07
But yeah, no, and now I mean, there are still places
83:11
that are cheap every once in a while
83:15
just like I'll jump on to
83:19
a real estate listing site and you'll find like a detached home
83:23
that's you look at and you go, yeah, I couldn't even
83:27
I couldn't even buy like
83:31
an empty lot in like Chilliwack for that
83:35
It's priced knowing that you're going to have to somehow get rid of all the material that is the current house
83:39
No, no, no, no, no, no, no in some parts of the states and stuff
83:43
where you can buy a whole house that you can live in tomorrow
83:47
for less than what you'd pay for an empty lot in Chilliwack
83:51
I've walked through places around here that seem like they're nicely priced
83:55
and then as you're walking through it the
83:59
wood in the floor is so rotten and moldy
84:03
that you're concerned you're going to fall through the floor and there's just like
84:07
doom and treachery around every corner It's
84:11
can get pretty sketch on the cheaper end
84:15
What are we supposed to be talking about? Oh, right Are they, have they figured things out?
84:19
They have, it's working I have verified it's working
84:23
It's working! So I'll go through the flow, so if you go on
84:27
the lttstore.com site you can click on this banner, which says
84:31
View Video on YouTube The video is... Banner, I hardly know her
84:35
The video is unlisted, so you're probably going to have to find it through the site
84:39
but if you go to the unlisted video that you can click
84:43
on the banner on the store to get to you can then see these screwdrivers
84:47
which say they're a certain cost but maybe don't worry about that cost
84:51
and then you click on it then you add it
84:55
to cart and then when you get there
84:59
it's discounted, there's two of them here it's discounted
85:03
Okay, there were two I was like...
85:07
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Okay, cool, yep, that was a
85:11
little freak out that I had on That's how it works, is the flow weird? Yes
85:15
Yes Does it work? Also yes, double yes
85:19
Yeah, yes, yes Yeah, it's going to look like it's
85:23
not working, there is a point that you get to in this flow that feels strange
85:27
I'm going to point it out You click on, so
85:31
let me go back, you're on the video, you scroll down
85:35
you click on the thing, it shows this price here you click on the thing, you get there
85:39
and I don't see anything going on you know, I don't see any discounts or anything
85:43
Well there's a thing down below It says here, but this price
85:47
which is what 99% of people are just going to see they're not going to read anything else
85:51
looks like that, if you click add to cart and then go to your cart
85:55
now it's correct
85:59
Yeah, now it's correct because I have gone into my cart
86:03
to see it, so you got to have some follow through
86:07
it's like a golf swing or something ever compare your sales
86:11
pipeline to a golf swing Can't say I've ever compared
86:15
anything to golf in any way Oh
86:19
Nice What now, huh?
86:23
So yeah, they're the same screwdrivers you know and love just dressed in some very fun, very nostalgic
86:27
Y2K clear tech colors
86:31
Prismagic series, that discount that Luke showed you, the 20% off
86:35
that we've teamed up with YouTube shop to offer is from December
86:39
26th to 30th
86:43
Don't wait, also we've got a bunch of other cool stuff that you can check out
86:47
on the store right now, if you've ever seen our Lumafield CT scanner video
86:51
this might look a little familiar, it's inspired
86:55
by the see-through scans that we get when we put products
86:59
in the machine, cool right? That is cool
87:03
So we've got, what all do we have on here we have someone wearing a Vision Pro
87:07
Oh, right behind the mic, right there we've got a CPU
87:11
There it is These are actual scans
87:15
out of the Lumafield scanner we've got a little Bredsaurus
87:19
plastic toy, we've got a screwdriver in there I think there's a, yep
87:23
there's a game controllers you can see like the rumble motors and stuff
87:27
um and it's just kind of a cool
87:31
all over print hoodie that if people don't look that closely at
87:35
they might not even realize that it's like a whole bunch of, a whole bunch of tech and stuff
87:39
um LMG.GG
87:43
slash all over print, you can check that out there and, and
87:47
but wait, there's more! It's finally here
87:51
It's finally here the first party bit case
87:57
from LTTstore.com there it is
88:01
ladies and gentlemen 7, 8
88:05
7, 8 30, holds 30 bits
88:09
but stop it
88:13
stop it, they didn't even see you do that they can't even see you right now
88:17
he's over here, he's over here dabbing again
88:21
just stop it um
88:25
anyway the point is it closes with a magnet and it has one of those little
88:29
key things so you can throw a magnetic cable management power bar
88:33
holder on it and then you can just like stick it to stuff and
88:37
and, but wait there's more
88:43
it's been 83 years but we finally
88:47
have posidrive for our european friends
88:51
this is one of those things where a lot of people don't even realize
88:55
that there is a difference and they just grab a phillips bit
88:59
when the screw is actually posidrive and then they wonder why it's slipping
89:03
or getting stripped turns out, wrong bit
89:07
we now have posidrive bits for when you actually need posidrive bits which is more often than you might realize
89:11
ikea for instance, i believe uses posidrive
89:15
so you can shop both the LTT screwdriver bit case
89:19
and the posidrive bits ggslash
89:23
posibitcase that is a horrible vanity url
89:27
um pozibitcase
89:31
anyway what page not found
89:35
it was there hold on
89:39
what just happened no, not that
89:43
no, no, i know but it went it went, i'm so confused
89:47
see okay, well we should probably deal with that
89:51
whatever, it's probably on the home page please tell me it's on the home page
89:55
yeah, there it is okay, nice
89:59
posi underscore bit case good enough
90:03
we'll figure it out drop table employees
90:07
asks why bit holder 30 bits such a missed opportunity to make it 32 bit
90:11
i know, right it was the exact same thing
90:15
with the um with this one too
90:19
i wanted to make the the precision bit set
90:23
i wanted to make it 64 bit but it just ended up working out
90:27
better to be 60 bit so, i'm sorry, i'm sorry
90:31
and i will do better next time next time, that'll be the sequel to both of them
90:35
so lots of good stuff on the store this week great time to
90:39
you know, pick up the christmas present that you didn't get
90:43
we actually, it's now become consistent, i've noticed
90:47
that there is a spike on christmas day even if we don't have any promos running
90:51
of just like people expected a thing, and they're just like
90:55
still sitting on the couch and like yeah, or people spending christmas money
91:01
so it's one of the two but it's 100% a thing
91:05
that makes sense, i just haven't received christmas money in a long time
91:09
yep that makes sense
91:13
great, Dan, what are we supposed to be doing? alright, we're supposed to explain merch messages
91:17
so, if you're new to wandshow welcome
91:21
hey thanks for hanging out with us on the wandshow
91:25
if you're new, then the way to interact with the show is not to throw money
91:29
at your screen, we're really not that into that um, frankly
91:33
you know, i'm doing pretty okay he's doing pretty okay
91:37
that doesn't mean that we don't like making money
91:41
and there are other people that work here we do, and that's our jobs, and that's their jobs
91:45
and uh, you know yeah, that's cool
91:49
but what we also like a lot is working hard for that money
91:53
we really do we so
91:57
we so often choose the hard path yeah
92:01
so instead of just having you throw money at us
92:05
through twitch bits or whatever the youtube ones are called
92:09
or anything like that we create what we feel are really
92:13
amazing products and we have you guys buy those products
92:17
and then you can send a message to the show like that
92:21
and then even if we don't get to your message um, you still get high quality merchandise
92:25
in the mail it's a pretty good system
92:29
so, why don't we show you guys how it works um, you go ahead and you go on to the site
92:33
you add something to your cart and when you're in your cart, Luke's working on it
92:37
he's working on it, he's cooking let him cook
92:41
you go ahead and add something to your cart and when we're live, you will see
92:45
I meant to click the arrow to go to the next one
92:49
yeah, sure, full pitch transparency mode nice
92:53
um, okay, there you go merch message, so you write a little message
92:57
that will go to producer Dan there he is, stop it
93:01
do it right no
93:05
I like this stop it
93:09
no, we're just going, no, forget it stop it
93:13
that will go to producer Dan try again
93:17
there it is I'm so triggered right now
93:21
who will put your merch message on the screen
93:25
like that one that's up there, Tina V what's up
93:29
or who will reply to it or who will curate it for me and Luke
93:33
to respond to, why don't we show you guys with a couple curated messages how that works
93:37
sure, I got one here from Josh hey, Linny, Louis
93:41
and Glenn, saying hi from Toronto Toronto
93:45
what do you think is the most pressing issue tech is facing
93:49
but doesn't get much media attention brain roughification of social media
93:53
perhaps there's a decent amount of attention on that
93:57
that is probably the biggest single problem nope, nope
94:01
let's say the biggest single problem is perverse incentives
94:07
okay, so he just he just went one step down
94:11
he went to the root yeah, they asked what the biggest problem
94:15
it's a good move but it's arguable
94:19
that that's the biggest problem with everything yes
94:23
yes perverse incentives, they're a huge problem
94:27
I mean, we talk about it from like a management perspective
94:31
often, like creating KPIs for people that incentivize
94:35
completely the wrong behaviors that are destructive to themselves, their department
94:39
the entire company that just like
94:43
can seem well-intentioned at the time, like you could create
94:47
an incentive for someone to you know, I don't know, reply to the most
94:51
emails, right, or you know what a great example, Linus Torvald called out
94:55
you know, a super visionary tech leader
94:59
for valuing lines of code oh man, there was a lot of points
95:03
in that video, I watched the whole thing there was a lot of points in that video
95:07
where I felt very validated about different stances, that was
95:11
very much one of them well, I specifically brought that up on your behalf
95:15
you were like, there's a particular member and I was like, yeah!
95:19
it was great and so
95:23
and by creating, theoretically right, like on the very very
95:27
very top crust of the earth surface
95:31
the crust is very thin relative to the depth of the earth okay, that seems like
95:35
it could be a good idea you want your developers
95:39
to like, code a lot right? sure, yeah
95:43
sure, passes the initial person should be
95:47
doing work, what is work? typy typy, I want lots of
95:51
typy typy, yeah exactly but if you were to think about it
95:55
for longer than about 4 seconds you might think, oh wait, quantity
95:59
is probably not the most beneficial thing to this person, career development
96:03
maybe an extremely valuable one of the keys that they could typy typy is backspace or delete
96:07
yeah, who knows and so
96:11
and so if you think about it you know, you're creating an incentive
96:15
for potentially slapdash shoddy inefficient
96:19
work and so perverse incentives exist
96:23
everywhere and
96:27
you know, right now I think that in gaming for instance
96:31
gamers have created
96:35
a reward system for developers that rewards
96:39
forever live service gotcha
96:43
embedded ads expensive
96:47
loot boxes roster packs, pay to win
96:53
and it is human nature to get a reward
96:57
and repeat that behavior and the only difference
97:01
now is that we're doing it on an industrial
97:05
scale you know, I think that the
97:09
new business funding machine has created
97:13
perverse incentives to target infinite exponential
97:17
growth because that's where they get their reward from
97:21
and that's where we get bizarre behavior like buying all of the memory in the world
97:25
for an entire year
97:29
pretty much, Nomad I mean, we were talking a lot about
97:33
piracy earlier in the show I think that by
97:37
in some cases, pirating
97:41
online media we can create perverse incentives
97:45
for ever more intrusive advertising
97:49
and paywalls and monetization structures because people
97:53
expect to be paid for their work which is wild
97:57
crazy right
98:01
but I think if people had continued to not become immune to banner ads
98:05
or block them we might not have ended up with
98:09
say something do you remember that audio clip?
98:13
I will never forget it what?
98:17
man, what is that? I don't even remember what it was for
98:21
deeply ingrained in my brain but I don't remember what it's for from
98:25
but I know it's like a thing that I've heard it was a banner ad for something
98:29
I don't remember what it was but it was an audio banner ad
98:33
and it was the most obnoxious one I would
98:37
oh my god, my speakers are on sometimes you'd have to find it
98:41
and and yeah
98:45
and it's one of those things where
98:49
on the subject of ad block I never said don't do it I've even showed people how to do it
98:53
but what I did say was consider the outcomes
98:57
every action we take has consequences
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and if you want quality media that you enjoy
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if you want quality writing that you like to read
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then you may
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consider that those things
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need financial support to exist
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or you may not but then just you know
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when we're in the dystopian AI slop future
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just you know understand that we all
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me, him even him
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we all had a part to play in this outcome
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and this is really really important okay so put down your keyboards
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one moment please this is really really important
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we might have ended up there anyway we might have ended up with the intrusive ads
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we might have ended up with AI slop all the things
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and human jobs being cut we might have ended up there anyway
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because corporate greed truly knows no limits but
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but we might not have and we'll never know now
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yeah so that's cool I think it's somewhat true but also if the incentives
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are the opposite where like if you don't support
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things that do that the corporate greed will follow
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where the incentives are corporate greed is a
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guarantee but if we provided incentives
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to build high quality products for instance
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then the corporate greed would follow that
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but we provide incentives to build disposable the cheapest
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possible thing and you know that's why
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oh boy that's why North American manufacturing
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was off-shored
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I find it funny that you moved away from the mic is if you're trying to like dodge
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off-shored
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I mean if I can talk at them maybe they can yell at me through it
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you can make speakers be microphones can you make microphones be speakers
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um yes I think so
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I think if you did it hard enough probably I don't know that they'd be loud but
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yeah people are saying yes you can yeah alright so then it could happen
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or ruin the mic I don't think they're concerned about that
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so um so this is one of those things that it's like we have no
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further to look than you know in the mirror
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and I'm a participant every single time that I go to the dollar store to buy a
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barbeque scraper rather than buy one from smarter every day
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I think I've pointed this video out maybe a couple times on wancho
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but there is a video by speed like I show speed
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no this comes up every time um
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barbeque scraper man yep I love that
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that's like in some circles what he's known for now
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really yeah that is pretty interesting yeah right
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can I find this video he did a video on like buying
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uh like you know they don't make them how they used
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to is that true and it's actually very interesting
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if I can even find it which so far I can't
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speaking of perverse incentives, youtube titling and thumbnails
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we wouldn't do it I didn't even try to search for this
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because you know I'm not like
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oh this guy does clickbait it's just like it's a standard on the
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on the platform now right you like basically have to
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uh man where is I don't think it's that
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oni highkid says all incentives are perverse and degrade moral integrity
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when you make a decision based on only benefits you're not exercising your moral
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willpower and it will atrophy over time the starting point of any decision should be
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your own moral framework which is cool
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cool in theory it's great in theory welcome to companies
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and the second that you have a hundred mouths to feed um
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and you make it's not even just that the the standard
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state for companies is is corporate degree that's how companies work
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it's honestly at a certain level how they sort of have to
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I mean you don't even have to start there which is why I started with the second you have
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a hundred mouths to feed and pivoting your company in some way
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will be the difference between a christmas bonus and mass layoffs
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then I will ask I'll turn the question around on you and I'll ask
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which was the moral choice because the railroad tracks
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were your own personal integrity
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or all of your employees lined up
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tied down on the railroad track
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which switch do you pull it's not that simple
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but then there are also some layoffs that are super simple
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where it's like I don't know stock dollar number go up if fire
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large number of people and then I get new boat
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I choose boat I would say that's a super nice incentive yeah yeah
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a maria says line is taking gambling ads next year confirmed
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no we are very far from we are very far from that point
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um you know
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I do think that's an interesting that's an interesting line though I mean
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it's one of those things that I found it
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okay Luke hold on before you before you click that yes
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if Colton came to us and said basically
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you know the industry is getting hit super hard
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you know there's no there's no advertising coming in from tech companies
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because they can't sell anything anyway because you know literally
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like they can't get enough RAM
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to sell computers that have RAM in them
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hot take I think that's actually a really good decision for them to do but anyways
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um you know basically
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our revenue is going to be down by 30% we will
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have to let go of you know we have some buffer we're not an irresponsibly run
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company um and we have
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we have done it before and you know to an extent we'll do
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it again where we'll we'll cut profits in order to maintain headcount
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but we're going to lose 10% of our people we're going to lose 10%
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I have a solution we're going to work with
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draft kings or you know whatever and they'll basically pay us a guaranteed
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you know amount over the course of the year um would you rather
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cut 10% of your teams or would you rather take a gambling sponsorship
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and to be clear I'm not saying
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that you can tell he's agitated because chair shaking is doing the leg thing um
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it's a constant state but it ramps up when I'm when I'm agitated
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that's for sure yeah and this is all this is all easy for people to say
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it's it's all easy for people to take a stance on until
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it's someone they know personally right yeah
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uh you know good people good people
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because the reason why I'm saying good people is this is not one
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this is due to global
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market factors this this scenario you're laying out yeah is that it's not
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because of anyone's individual failure no we just have to cut heads
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yep and I mean look this is and this is a hard truth
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the head that we cut won't be mine I'm I'll I can absorb some of it
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but like it's not going to be like oh let's just like
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not have Linus anymore and let's keep everyone else like that's not happening
106:53
I do think there's that like uh how the Nintendo executives
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dealt with Wii U is just like deeply based
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deeply but it also for those who didn't know Nintendo
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like slashed executive pay when the Wii U was a failure like pretty
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hard and they did not touch to my knowledge they did not touch
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I see individual contributor pay
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yeah trying to find this I
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forget the exact details but basically Nintendo was like hyper based when the Wii U
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this is an AI overview thing but this sounds accurate to my memory no I'm going to go find
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a source I don't care I'm trying to be fast because it's on the show
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but you guys are just going to have to wait while you're waiting for him it's funny
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50% layoff for the CEO and 20 to 30% layoffs for
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pay cuts not layoffs sorry yeah
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50% layoff for pay cuts
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oh my god why can't I say this properly
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50% pay cut for Satoru Iwata
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and 20 to 30% reductions for other executives yeah
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super based based that being said you said 30%
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rev down
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I don't think that would solve well no it wouldn't because
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so even if we did that well no that's why I said 30% revenue
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down we would have to take a 10% pay cut because I'm assuming that we will
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absorb some of it oh yeah okay whatever
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but what I'm saying is we can absorb all of it so the choice is
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at 30% rev down I don't think we could even if we wanted to it's what I'm trying to
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oh yeah no we couldn't that's what I'm trying to communicate like it's not viable we could
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for honor's sake pull the and probably would I suspect in this case
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pull the Nintendo move but that would
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not pull us out of we're still screwed
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yeah we still have to do something like you said war chest blah blah blah
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and rev is not something a lot of companies can just like take on the chin and keep going
108:59
this is like catastrophic yes
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yeah yeah like I can I can tell you now
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Linus Media Group Incorporated Floatplane Inc. Creator Warehouse Inc.
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do not have 30% net profit
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yeah so which is fine
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but a fact nonetheless but it is a fact
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and so if it came to that there is no
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well Linus should just make less outcome that is going to be
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acceptable doesn't resolve the problem yeah so
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I mean and look if you you could just say hey look I hope I never have to make this
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choice and I'm not gonna force you to answer the question no I think I have an answer
109:43
my point was just that it's hard it's not black and white that was the
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point but if you think you have an answer I'm interested
109:51
it's tough but I would talk to my teams
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I would just be super real about the situation that we're in and
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I think what I would do is
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yeah I don't know describe the situation describe the problem that we're in
110:09
and maybe even end up oh man
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I would enthusiastically talk about
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the fact that we really don't want to do things like gambling
110:21
sponsorships that it goes against the standards that we've set for
110:25
ourselves yada yada yada yada yada but that there is no
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way that we have been able to find out of this scenario because
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again we're in the confines of this thought experiment yeah
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there is no other route because we're not we're not saying this is
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technical reality we're saying this is the confines of the thought experiment yeah the confines of the thought
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experiment is the only path out is either layoffs
110:49
or ad sales this is not a reality eliminated every other option
110:53
this is not a reality situation so I would talk to the people
110:57
discuss potential solutions that we don't want to do the
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ad thing but if everyone is like hyper desperate and they're like look
111:05
there literally are no jobs I will be homeless if this doesn't happen
111:09
then we discuss as a team what that means for
111:13
the current job market is like decently realistic could be realistic
111:17
and people are talking across the board pay
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reductions okay so that's one of those things
111:25
that's a great idea until it happens to you yeah so we discovered
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something many many years ago when we pretty much
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let me interject real quick if the whole group came to that conclusion
111:37
that's one thing that is one they won't and that would be with
111:41
leaders taking a higher pay cut etc but yeah I don't
111:45
think they necessarily would we discovered years ago that running sweepstakes
111:49
instead of creating one winner creates a million
111:53
losers and it just it generates more negativity than
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any positivity out of it could possibly have been generated
112:01
and in the same way that if we were to cut 10% of the workforce
112:05
we'd be creating 10% low morale
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all people who don't work here anymore and if we cut the entire workforce
112:13
by 10% we'd be generating the entire workforce low morale
112:17
yeah and they would all still work here I think there is great I think there is
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technically a way out with the entire workforce
112:25
reduction thing if the whole team the entire team
112:29
sure rallies behind it and is like okay we will
112:33
restore this if we get to whatever state la la la la la
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then cool I think that's extremely tough
112:41
it's not going to happen already ScrappyDP is taking a stance
112:45
that would be incompatible with us crawling our way out of this
112:49
out of this whole you'll get 10% less work
112:53
yeah I don't know like I said there are specific teams that
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could do this that could rally behind this banner and there are certain
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teams that would be unable to I don't know where we're at
113:05
that's not even part of this conversation matter I can imagine
113:09
companies though I can imagine states of different companies too
113:13
where they would have been in a spot where that would be totally fine
113:17
but I can also imagine companies where
113:21
people would be like well I mean I'd rather leave and then it's like okay cool
113:25
and then you kind of pivot to a position where it's like alright if we know we have to
113:29
do this layoff thing let's do this as like a team and instead of just like blind
113:33
siding people let's try to work with you try you can work here until this time
113:37
let's work with you full time until then to try to help you get a spot things like that
113:41
there are ways out to try to
113:45
lessen the blow in this specific scenario where there is no other way out
113:49
you're not doing it because of individual performance blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
113:53
Crater says pay cuts plus company ownership
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percentage could maybe balance out part of the morale blow yeah
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the issue is that it just doesn't it just doesn't really work that way
114:05
like it's um people ultimately are most impacted
114:09
by the things that most impact them directly and that sounds like a kind of stupid
114:13
unnecessary thing for me to have to say but it's it's the truth
114:17
at the end of the day a whole bunch of people being miserable all at the same time
114:21
in theory you know misery loves company and all of that
114:25
but it doesn't actually make when we say misery loves company
114:29
we don't say that it like makes them happier that everyone's miserable it just
114:33
um is something to talk about
114:37
you know and it can create a death spiral oh yeah I was going to say I always
114:41
interpreted that statement differently I thought misery loves company is because people
114:45
who are miserable will like radiate misery
114:49
around them oh yeah yeah yeah 100% and um
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yeah I don't think we need to go like too much further into this weren't we're not
114:57
the the mighty reptar said people are able to be so idealistic when they can just
115:01
type in chat yeah it's tough I'm trying to like actually think about actually
115:05
being in the scenario and you know emotions are going to end up getting
115:09
really really high people are going to end up getting really really mad yeah
115:13
fingers is going to happen almost immediately and here's the thing like remember the emotional
115:17
response last week when I was talking about the perspective adjustment on RAM pricing
115:21
at the end of the day most of the things we buy in a given year are not
115:25
RAM and don't have RAM in them yeah um but this was
115:29
something that you know especially if okay let's say
115:33
because it's all about like like me right now how does this
115:37
impact me for most people and that's human I'm not blaming anybody for that
115:41
but if you are the person who has been saving up for two years
115:45
to finally buy a gaming PC or a steam deck
115:49
or whatever it is and you've just been you've had it
115:53
yanked away from you it's like yeah grand scheme of things
115:57
most things only have RAM as part of their cost
116:01
so even if RAM goes up double or triple that didn't double or triple the overall
116:05
price of the thing like like you know on numbers on a spreadsheet in a
116:09
live chat you know it's it's not that impact for that person
116:13
it's the difference between they can buy that thing that
116:17
they've been dreaming of for two years and now they cannot
116:21
and for some people a 10% pay cut could be the difference
116:25
between surviving and not and so
116:29
it's easy to say like oh yeah the team should just all agree
116:33
on a 10% pay cut to weather the storm and not take you know gambling ads or whatever
116:37
but I wouldn't even it's not like I wouldn't understand
116:41
that one person who goes I cannot do that yeah totally reasonable
116:45
but but Lea Kay in full playing chat said a while back
116:49
my my company offered a 5% pay cut as an alternative to
116:53
redundancy layoffs and it worked and then there's other people in here saying
116:57
that morale at their company has been ruined because of a layoff that happened
117:01
due to decreased revenue like there is this is a
117:05
no actual good answer scenario there are a lot of those scenarios
117:09
in life and realistically someone
117:13
is going to be like possibly full on
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crash out level livid any answer that you come up with
117:21
and you just have to try to work with people to do the best thing you can
117:25
and that Sky PDP said it will depend on the organization totally
117:29
it's going to depend on the group of people it's going to depend on how that group of people can band together to move past this
117:33
it's going to depend on if that group of people even wants to that might be
117:37
the core problem in the first place if we're being completely honest
117:41
there's so many variables so many different things
117:45
and it's a no win scenario
117:49
hopefully reduced loss scenario
117:53
are you saying a 10% pay cut could bankrupt your employees I don't know possibly
117:57
I don't manage their finances no matter how much money you're making
118:01
this is exactly what I'm going to say if you look up income
118:05
and how much people are living paycheck to paycheck it almost doesn't matter people's expenses
118:09
often will just track their income so at the time we bought
118:13
this office we were I think our revenues were
118:17
over a million dollars a year right
118:21
but just because we had that much revenue
118:25
if we had had a significant reduction
118:29
in our revenue and we were still bringing in
118:33
$700,000 a year or whatever that's still a lot of money
118:37
but yeah that could have forced us into bankruptcy because we had so many bills
118:41
dude Darimp
118:45
said I'd happily take a 20% cut to go down to a 4 day work week one of the problems
118:49
of this scenario is how are we going to fight our way back to
118:53
competitiveness you got to be kidding me that doesn't work
118:57
at that point they might as well just lay off yeah and so like buddy who's like you're going to get 10% less
119:01
work it's like okay great so now well we're f***ed then because
119:05
we're already struggling to compete because at the end of the day
119:09
it is competition right like I do genuinely believe that
119:13
my fellow tech YouTubers I don't see them as bitter rival competitors
119:17
because I do think that a rising tide lifts all ships but in the grand
119:21
scheme of things the much bigger picture your ship has to be floating
119:25
to go up at the time your eyeballs have a limited amount of
119:29
stuff they can look at every day so we do compete
119:33
with the Super Bowl we compete with
119:37
that you know romantic kindle that is
119:41
waiting on your kindle we do we
119:47
we compete with your family you know we compete with functionally
119:51
every single thing that you do for you wanting to
119:55
hang with us on a Friday and do WAN Show instead of
119:59
boxing day shopping or doing whatever else it is that you might want to be doing today right
120:03
yeah and so if we are failing to
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meet target and failing to meet payroll
120:11
people you know cutting their output by 10% sure as f**k isn't going to fix it
120:15
like very unlikely
120:19
we could probably find some efficiency gains in this case as well if this person
120:23
doesn't have any ownership stake and just doesn't really care about the company they're at or whatever
120:27
totally fair yeah get it
120:31
we're not trying to say it's necessarily unreasonable but it's also not going to write the ship
120:35
that and there's a
120:39
these are uncomfortable conversations because there's no win right and
120:43
much like the where's your line with piracy conversation that we had earlier
120:47
everyone's going to have a different line of what's okay here which is why
120:51
line was don't reduce my pay ever in any circumstance ever I will go somewhere else or reduce
120:55
my output and that's fine and someone else is going to have a different line and if your
120:59
team has a wild variety of different lines they will
121:03
this is going to be tough I don't think it's a guarantee that they will I think
121:07
there are teams out there usually smaller teams but I think there are teams out there
121:11
that are that's the one that are somewhat in line with how
121:15
they think and approach things all right time to speaking of teams
121:19
let's talk about the flow plane team we're going to do an early release
121:23
of a very special LTT video and we're going to do it
121:27
right now okay hold on
121:31
what's the special LTT video hold on I'm trying to find the stupid CMS button
121:35
there it is excuse me
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um
121:45
okay I don't actually see it
121:49
I think it's supposed to be oh wow there's a bunch of videos here
121:53
control F for Kindle oh hey there it is
121:57
my son wanted a Kindle so I made him test them all
122:01
this is it folks this is the future
122:05
potentially it's up
122:09
it's posted I'm very
122:13
I'm excited to watch this I'm very interested what people think the very first
122:17
video not just hosted because he's been on camera
122:21
before but actually written by Linus
122:25
jr and I gotta say the link in the
122:29
dock was directly to the video why did you even look for it
122:35
look you're talking to the same guy that managed to accidentally filter gmail
122:39
addresses from his email so Dell partner laptop
122:43
that kind of show yeah
122:47
did you leak anything by going through all those posts by the way no I don't think so okay
122:51
that's cool I mean they're just videos that are coming by but yeah
122:55
yeah what doesn't matter
122:59
yeah I don't know I don't know what's coming down the pipeline maybe there's
123:03
embargo things maybe there isn't no no there's nothing embargo okay cool yeah should be fine
123:07
nice good to know but yeah dude
123:11
so cool
123:15
he he told me he was you know he's
123:19
become more interested in the family business over time
123:23
and and he told me he wanted to host a video
123:27
because he had a lot of fun doing the I'll buy my son any gaming
123:31
PC which was or any gaming handheld for his birthday one and
123:35
that was I think his first time being on camera solo when he did like the interview
123:39
portions of it and he was interested in it I basically went well look
123:43
I'm not gonna just like nepotism
123:47
you you don't just get to like run this company doesn't work
123:51
like that the audience won't accept it the team won't accept it I won't accept
123:55
it it doesn't work like I'll nepotism a shot but I will give him a shot
123:59
exactly seems very reasonable to me and I basically said okay
124:03
well I'll tell you what then no you can't just
124:07
host a video because that's the easiest possible layup
124:11
that I could give you we're not gonna do that but what you
124:15
can do is if you will if you'll write it if
124:19
you'll go through the process and I gotta give some credit to Mr. Nicholas
124:23
Ploof for being kind of a mentor coach for Randy
124:27
during this period
124:31
you'll go through the process and your assignment will be the least
124:35
glamorous thing that I can possibly think of
124:39
you will make a video on the new Kindle
124:45
and and and it wasn't just make that work it's a good
124:49
it's a really good sign and it wasn't just it wasn't just that I was choosing
124:53
like the most you know boring thing that I possibly could it was also something
124:57
that I know that he has personal experience with he reads a lot
125:01
and he reads physical books he reads on his
125:05
phone using the Kindle app and he reads on a Kindle
125:09
and so I was like okay well here's the new color soft here's a current
125:13
gen paper white here's both of our old
125:17
we have an old paper white and we have an old before it was paper white just like Kindle
125:21
the same one I did a video on like 10 years ago I want I will
125:25
lay out I should find the doc because I basically lay it out okay like
125:29
you know what is good about it what is bad about it what do other people like what do I
125:33
like what do other people not like what do I not like and I kind of laid out all the
125:37
questions kind of like a school assignment and I kind of went if you answer
125:41
all of these questions plus
125:45
contribute any little insights that might spring into your mind as you go
125:49
I think you will have enough bones for a good video that
125:53
our talented writing team and I can help you get this over the line to a
125:57
standard of quality that will be acceptable for LTT and he
126:01
did a really good job
126:07
nice like really good I'm genuinely excited to watch I'm going to spoil
126:11
the best line in the video don't do that no I'm going to spoil it because I think no I think
126:15
because that's how that's how previews work that's how modern media
126:19
just tell people the best part but I asked him
126:23
this as I was reviewing the script I went is this your line or was
126:27
this like something ploof added and he goes no no
126:31
yeah that was me and I asked ploof to I was like was this you he's like no
126:35
I don't think so I didn't actually change that much and I went oh okay interesting
126:39
and so in the conclusion he's talking about how the color soft is is pretty
126:43
expensive and you know the colors aren't that vibrant
126:47
but on the other hand going back to this
126:51
you know holding up the black and white one for you know comics and
126:55
manga and like like color media feels like
126:59
watching a fireworks display on a black and white TV
127:03
I was like
127:06
that's really good
127:09
that's a that's a good line right yeah why would even know
127:13
I would even think about black and white TVs and the fireworks display
127:17
the fireworks yeah why fireworks great line
127:21
it's a great line what the heck right
127:25
right huh and he doesn't seem like the type of person to just
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LLM it oh no so that's actually just his line
127:33
I weird yeah cool but also
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strange that is such a succinct way
127:41
it's great yeah it's like yeah you know it's not the most
127:45
vibrant color but going back to this is like it's a
127:49
generational gap in experience right writer dunked on by you
127:53
and now I'm going to get writer dunked on by your son that's so annoying
127:57
hahaha
128:01
smart kid and
128:05
anyway he did a really great job the hosting was pretty tough but
128:09
what's fun about the hosting was I realized
128:13
very early on in the coaching that I was doing with him that
128:17
right I've been meaning to do this because I'll do little
128:21
host coaching clinics once in a while we actually uploaded one of them that I did with
128:25
tap and Ryan Schraut back when they were here for the Intel arc
128:29
not an internal one but those guys yeah yeah and people
128:33
responded really positively to like Linus hosting tips
128:37
and so we're doing I asked our camera
128:41
operator I think it was Andrew I asked him to roll the whole time
128:45
and then I gave it over to Sammy to do a Floatplane exclusive
128:49
of me basically coaching my son on how to
128:53
host a video because he had no idea what he was doing Sammy said that extra will be up on Monday
128:57
on full plane that's cool yep
129:01
and it's funny because I don't realize how many little things
129:05
there are until I watch someone try to do it and I'm just like
129:09
okay hold on a second your emphasis words you're picking the wrong emphasis words
129:13
here's how you choose an emphasis word and
129:17
there's you know it's obviously still his first time but from the beginning of the
129:21
video to the end of the video there was like a market change
129:25
so if you're looking to improve your on-camera presentation skills
129:29
or even in person presentation skills maybe check out strongly recommend it
129:33
that's going to be an extra over on Floatplane so Sammy says on Monday
129:37
that's cool just which is pretty and cool which pretty cool
129:41
okay while we're over on Floatplane check out Luke week two yeah
129:45
where we had three exclusive centering around two week
129:49
I don't know
129:53
does it say that yeah that's what it says in there okay well there's a
129:57
Q&A video there's a 36 minute Q&A video there's
130:01
a one hour long effectively podcast with Riley where we talk about
130:05
AI stuff cool and then there is the the gaming
130:09
video how a new studio made the multiplayer game
130:13
of the year okay cool so you guys can check that out lots of Luke exclusives
130:17
and then what else we got
130:21
oh or maybe you want some more insights from this week's releases you can check out our closer look series
130:25
where Alfred our film production manager and Jordan go over the new ShortCircuit
130:29
with a set with facts that didn't make the final cut and some cut footage
130:33
from Mitchell's AMD upgrade all this and our entire back catalog at LMG.gd.fp
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when I didn't watch them too much because it's Christmas week but you can get extras
130:41
there for when you do watch them heck yeah there you go
130:45
heck yeah views have been pretty slow this week yeah um but the last month
130:49
we've actually been like pretty good pretty like solid like like
130:53
we're back baby yeah but it's so volatile now it's crazy
130:57
it's also crazy that I saw what was happening this week and was like that's
131:01
probably fine yeah because that is not the reaction that would have happened before
131:05
yeah which I don't know maybe that's healthy I don't necessarily think so
131:09
though I don't know because you can't tell how rocky the ship is anymore
131:13
yeah which is like not good man YouTube
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I mean as a little boy it was always clothes for me
133:43
they were the worst oh I love getting socks well I know so I didn't
133:47
no I didn't say socks I say socks okay just like my sock enjoyer too
133:51
I don't know just like random sweatpants and shirts especially
133:55
when it was nice clothes because I never wore nice clothes like people would try to give
133:59
me like Sunday best they try to change your preferences based on
134:03
gifts that's not a fun one and then I'm just like nope
134:09
I feel like mine have always been pretty good
134:13
I forget what it is my family's like pretty sick when it comes to presents I suspect the
134:17
worst thing I've ever received has been like a book I already had
134:21
like I am sorry I'm not a good target for this yeah
134:25
I'd say like I probably notice it more
134:29
like for my kids like we had a family function this year where
134:37
a lot of care and attention went into certain
134:41
individuals that were of the same relationship
134:45
sort of tree to people
134:49
that were not made for my kids and I don't think my kids noticed
134:53
but I did that's cool that you didn't notice that's not very cool
134:57
yeah but I'd say
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yeah I'd say that was more
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yeah it's not really like me at that point no I think
135:09
the gifts that try to change you are probably the big one
135:13
I got a wrench in a tackle box one year I was nine
135:19
which you know for some nine-year-olds might
135:23
have been sick might not have been in this case
135:27
I guess I remember creating a Christmas list
135:31
that was basically five video games that I wanted and then explicitly
135:35
not receiving any video games
135:39
from my parents who
135:43
didn't like me playing video games and I was like right but like
135:47
it would have been less irritating if they weren't so
135:51
proud of the great choice they made and wanted me to be really excited
135:55
about it when I was like we got you a new petticoat
135:59
I want a gull of duty what I really wanted was Warcraft 2
136:03
I've definitely been I think this is a fairly standard in my household
136:07
so I don't think I'm going off the wall here but normally Christmas lists
136:11
are a highly respected
136:15
fallback almost unless you say otherwise
136:19
if you're like I really want this thing but Christmas list is usually like
136:23
oh you didn't naturally without really much effort
136:27
find anything therefore you can come to this list so if you go off the list it's like totally chill
136:31
and off the list is fine as long as it isn't passive aggressively trying
136:35
to change you totally it's a big part of that point
136:39
yeah yeah yeah for sure which I don't think I've ever received one of those
136:43
which is my whole thing where like I'm not I just I think I'm a bad target
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finders as well what does that mean
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it means that it means that
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it's fine it's fine it means that my sister has a baby
138:35
it is what it is but I definitely
138:39
found food
138:43
that has been down there long enough to decompose a little but not long enough
138:47
to be mummified which is what it is
138:51
I've had babies too and when I had babies
138:55
there were bits of food everywhere in my house too it's okay
138:59
it's okay
139:03
like soon alright
139:07
we already did this topic I understand we did almost none of the topics
139:11
yeah how that happened how does this always happen
139:15
I'm effectively almost out of time how does it happen Luke
139:19
to be fair I have seen zero complaints
139:23
sometimes it just do be how the show work
139:27
is anyone watching it though does anyone like the WAN Show
139:31
huh we should just not have topics then
139:35
yeah no one cares I think I can tell you guys to shut up
139:39
and move on more if you want
139:43
that's the opposite yeah Dan
139:47
don't even suggest it we did it
139:51
you did you know what I
139:55
I got you I tracked
139:59
how about you shut up and move on how about you shut up and move on
140:03
I can't even merge messages okay what do we
140:07
what do we want to do topics I guess
140:11
well no here okay how about this how about this Dan
140:15
do you have any curated merge messages that are specifically
140:19
for Luke I have one if I remember correctly
140:23
let's do that real quick Styles okay
140:27
I need to quickly well you do that I'm going to talk
140:31
about the North Korean infiltrator who was caught working in Amazon's IT
140:35
department thanks to keystroke delay oh yeah
140:39
Amazon says they caught a fake US based IT hire
140:43
after noticing unusual keystroke lag on the employees work laptop
140:47
which suggested the person wasn't actually working from the United States
140:51
after investigating the company concluded the worker was based in North Korea
140:55
and attempting to funnel money back to the regime through remote
140:59
work according to Amazon's security chief the delay tipped them off
141:03
that the laptop was being remotely controlled from overseas the company shut down the
141:07
account after a few days and says it has blocked thousands of similar attempts in
141:11
recent years often involving North Korean workers applying through US based
141:15
contractors as proxies yep the discussion question
141:19
is as remote work becomes more common how should companies balance trust
141:23
privacy and security when monitoring employees what a great discussion question
141:27
Dan go ahead and hit Luke with that merge message sure
141:31
hi pirates DLL love the show my co-founder
141:35
is about to become a dad Luke how did you
141:39
handle Linus becoming a father with the toughest part and Linus
141:43
what about people pirating your content
141:47
yeah I don't know uh I don't I don't actually
141:51
know necessarily what the first part of that question means like it's not what
141:55
I think they assume that you are working together more closely and Linus
141:59
became a dad and you know yeah I guess we didn't know each other that
142:03
well like he hadn't moved in yet but uh me having
142:07
a kid definitely impacted Luke more than most colleagues would I mean
142:11
yeah Randy crying at night literally so loud literally
142:15
kept Luke away so he was
142:19
he was a difficult baby he's making it up to us now because he's
142:23
a great loud speaker
142:27
food powered loud speaker um I don't know dude
142:31
uh there's a certain amount of things where it's just like
142:35
was I gonna stop working with him over that no therefore
142:39
is there really much left to think about I don't know
142:43
and I'm not trying to be you know offensive to the to the person
142:47
asking the question I just someone said why would Luke be affected
142:51
I mean I technically was but like uh
142:55
was it a bad way
142:59
like this is something that Linus wanted he still worked hard
143:03
and a lot I don't know
143:07
there's there's people in around you will make decisions
143:11
and do things in their lives that indirectly affect you to a certain
143:15
degree and you just have to not care for the most part
143:19
like it's or like find the good or decide
143:23
if this thing that they have done is too far for you and then just detach
143:27
Luke with the controversial live and let live take over yeah to be honest
143:31
I can't believe how controversial that has become
143:35
I guess live and let live is totally a thing and the world could use a little
143:39
bit more of it and like yeah his room shared a wall with mine and he cried a lot
143:43
and was really loud I also got really cheap rent and great food for free
143:47
it was technically wasn't there yeah there was technically
143:51
rent technically it like didn't cover the food let alone
143:55
it didn't make any sense if I were to use 200 bucks a month and I got
143:59
free food every meal insane and it was cooked
144:03
by someone else I didn't even have to cook it his salary also wasn't much at that time
144:07
because we just like did not have any money at that time yeah so
144:11
you know but like but I also strapped in knowing that no idea
144:15
how much of that was legal right oh not all of it
144:19
definitely not all of it I think we were paying monthly at that time too
144:23
I think so instead of bi-weekly I don't know yeah I mean again another thing
144:27
where it's just like I can make a big deal over this or
144:31
or I cannot which is an option
144:35
yeah I don't know it is possible so yeah it affected me I got slightly
144:39
worse sleep but I mean that's a constant throughout my entire
144:43
life but he still got his decent computer on a regular cadence I did
144:47
I did computer was good so that deal is still you know it's still alive
144:51
yeah hey speaking of
144:55
deal still being alive and the deal may be changing
144:59
this is probably the last major topic that Luke needs to be here for but
145:03
oh right how does Linus react to people pirating I think I remember the first time
145:07
there was a torrent of scrapyard wars being pretty amused also there
145:11
was some really annoying stuff at the beginning yeah there was some very
145:15
trying to start a new incredibly small
145:19
startup company thing and there was multiple attempts to just rip the whole
145:23
thing off over and over and over again it was very frustrating
145:27
so yeah I think it was a combination of feeling like we've made it
145:31
because we're important enough for people to pirate but also
145:35
being like yeah you know we're not like a giant media conglomerate really hard
145:39
like pay developers and stuff like we're sick just didn't do this yeah yeah so
145:43
both yeah okay so this is it
145:47
this is the last when show in its current
145:51
form oh really I have to
145:55
leave now I thought you had to go in like 20 minutes and no like five
145:59
oh awkward really
146:03
sorry I thought I said the week after next week I meant
146:07
next week from now we'll talk about it next week
146:11
are you kidding me you just dated that no no we'll talk about it next week
146:15
browser extensions oh my god
146:19
find boom.me everything's gonna be fine
146:23
everything's gonna be fine browser extensions
146:27
we will miss you guys stop everything's gonna be fine
146:31
everything's gonna be fine it's been a good run
146:35
browser extensions are selling your conversations for advertising purposes
146:39
several popular several popular
146:43
browser extensions with more than 8 million total users
146:47
have been caught collecting and selling full AI chat conversations
146:51
according to security researchers at COI the biggest offenders
146:55
include urban VPN proxy one click VPN proxy
146:59
urban browser guard and urban ad blocker available on both the Chrome Web Store
147:03
and Microsoft Edge add-ons together these extensions intercept
147:07
conversations with chatbots even when VPN or ad blocking
147:11
features are disabled despite advertising
147:15
privacy and AI protections the extensions inject scripts
147:19
that copy entire conversations and send them to servers that are tied to the developers
147:23
where the data is used for marketing analytics the only way to stop the collection is to disable
147:27
or uninstall the extensions entirely several of them were even marked as featured
147:31
by Google and Microsoft raising questions about extension store oversight
147:35
wow that's pretty rough
147:39
did you do it on purpose no
147:43
I thought we had like 20 minutes I asked you for a hard out
147:47
and you said soon yeah
147:51
that means like 8 to 12 months
147:55
working here I'm currently messaging to make sure
147:59
but like the original hard out was 1145 which is in 3 minutes now
148:03
Google has closed compatibility for the Sega Dreamcast's
148:07
25 year old web browser killing it
148:11
4 people cried out in terror
148:15
and then were silenced what I can't figure out is how they killed it
148:19
what did they do, what changed I've looked up like a couple different articles on this
148:23
I haven't done enough research but like
148:27
what did Google do what caused this to happen
148:31
Big G's services no longer respond but that doesn't mean that they killed the web browser
148:37
I mean probably killed it a little
148:41
yeah probably killed it a little there are still apparently fan supported search engine
148:45
and game servers that do work on the Dreamcast which is pretty crazy
148:49
our discussion question here is do you think it's important for modern web companies to maintain compatibility
148:53
with like quarter century old devices what is an appropriate length of support
148:57
about this right I don't think that either Luke or I
149:01
is in the camp that whether it's a game developer or whether it's a
149:05
service provider that you're obligated to support
149:09
stuff forever that doesn't have an ongoing forever payment
149:13
we just the part that we disagree
149:17
about with the current way that the industry does things is that we think there should be
149:21
a path to users maintaining it themselves if it's so
149:25
important to them and this mostly applies I think to
149:29
game servers for instance if there's a way for it to go self-hosted or to hand over the code
149:33
to the community to continue to run it then we're totally fine with them saying hey yeah this is
149:37
not financially viable anymore because businesses gotta
149:41
survive um
149:45
what what oh nothing
149:49
you look like you're making a face so yeah downer but also I totally
149:53
get it I don't think that I would fire up a dream cast tomorrow with the expectation that the web
149:57
features would would work
150:01
I think we what hello is the expected time
150:05
still the same
150:11
okay bye is chat asking you to try to push it or what
150:15
no I was trying to figure it out because sometimes schedule things move and whatnot
150:19
ah yes but and they weren't responding to messages I sent them quite a few
150:23
ah yes probably driving or something really probably very reasonable yeah it makes
150:27
sense but but not responding anyways um I called and now I know that I do
150:31
have to leave cool good
150:37
you know that's probably where I got noon from it's probably your arrival
150:41
time not your departure time that's probably true
150:45
so whoops I might have even just said noon at one point because that
150:49
might have been what it was at one fact um there was also an arrival
150:53
versus departure time
150:57
and I missed my flight
151:03
so that was cool I went down
151:07
to Cabo for Christmas I decided I shouldn't say I
151:11
Yvonne and I decided to do something absolutely crazy
151:15
this year and we treated um
151:19
my siblings and so's and kids and her
151:23
sibling and so and kids to
151:27
ah four days in Mexico for for Christmas so it was a pretty
151:31
sick pretty incredible experience a lot of fun
151:35
um as siblings we've we've all been like
151:39
busy you know and it's it's easy to take family
151:43
for granted but I think that um losing my sister
151:47
uh really sharpened
151:51
my focus on the
151:55
the speed with which things that you
151:59
assume that you've had your whole life and you assume will always be there can be
152:03
stripped out of your life and so we um
152:07
yeah so we kind of surprised everyone and we went
152:11
hey guess what we're we're doing it let's let's do
152:15
it we're doing something crazy and it was a lot of fun we we did it all inclusive
152:19
just because when you've got like over a
152:23
dozen people my god coordinating every stupid meal
152:27
especially with young kids there's a lot of young kids so like uh no
152:31
but I think you just run over and grab some food when they want it or whatever like cool makes life
152:35
a lot easier we did go off resort once you got to go go
152:39
yeah okay okay speaking of family and uh do you want to just call me to do the thing
152:43
do what thing at the end oh yeah yeah sure okay sounds good all right cool see you later
152:47
okay see ya anyway yeah we we went down we we did
152:51
one cool excursion that was oh no
152:55
just leave the thing no I don't I don't like it just framed on me I actually
152:59
I I sent a note to one of the editors one of our one of our videos recently
153:03
just had like too much zooming in on me I'm
153:07
pushing 40 dude I we don't need to be zoomed that close in on me anymore
153:11
this is a good this is a good framing I need
153:15
to take more more Polaroid pictures you know
153:19
well okay Dan's doing something here shoot I don't have the pictures
153:23
on uh thank you for that Dan that's that's incredibly
153:27
helpful I don't have the pictures on this phone I took along a separate
153:31
um a separate phone for for pictures and videos and stuff because we're actually going to be
153:35
uploading a like a family vlog from it um
153:39
and we did this like turtle release thing here why don't you just be
153:43
my co-host now we'll just drag you over there oh yeah you're good
153:47
but you can just you can just move the window over there uh so yeah we did this
153:51
um there's a there's a turtle conservation group
153:55
that allows you to go and without disturbing
153:59
anything like you're not allowed to touch the baby turtles and you're not allowed to interfere
154:03
with them imprinting on the beach where they were born because they have to come
154:07
back in order to okay that's an option too
154:13
sure um anyway so it's like a conservation
154:17
thing but you can do like uh you can do like a turtle
154:21
release into the ocean thing so you hold a like born
154:25
that day turtle in a bowl so you don't touch it so you don't hurt it
154:29
and you don't get any bacteria on your hands and then you like tip the bowl
154:33
and they and you watch them like crawl into the into the waves
154:37
and they were saying that um thanks to the work that they're doing the survival
154:41
rate goes from they estimate about one in a thousand reach adulthood in the wild
154:45
to they say about six to seven in a thousand because they'll go
154:49
out of their way to um to release them at times
154:53
when there's not a lot of seagulls and they'll uh they kind of oversee it
154:57
so they're less likely to get picked off on the way uh to the
155:01
beach from the from the nest which is pretty cool did I just do it again
155:05
for crying out loud um yeah
155:09
that literally came up during the presentation before we did the
155:13
release thing now that I think about it uh was some little kid
155:17
who you are now on on par with in terms of your your joke
155:21
quality um was like six seven
155:25
everyone kind of went because it's over now it's a six seven party is
155:29
officially completely over has been for six seven
155:33
weeks at this point um
155:37
lg is responding swiftly to user
155:41
backlash will allow users to remove the microsoft
155:45
copilot link from their tv's there's a whole topic that was written on this
155:49
but I think that that's probably um all we need to say
155:53
basically it's not a built-in tv app it is just a shortcut to microsoft's
155:57
outlet web app that opens in the tv's browser and um
156:01
sorry about that also the microphone input was only able to activate with
156:05
explicit user consent we're not sure when you'll be able
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to delete it but it will be able to be deleted so that's good thank you lg
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for responding to the outrage in a way that is acceptable
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very nice very nice uh no no yes I know
156:21
you can only hide it shraft 2k but they're changing that that's why we're bringing it up
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uh okay yeah this is something
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you know what let's push the reboot
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rewind update to next week we can do that sure okay
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next week yeah sorry I'm getting a lot of merge messages
156:41
today uh yeah I know screwdrivers are very
156:45
very popular for some reason well people really like
156:49
they've been so excited for them people like screwing it's it's how the whole
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human race survived all these millennia that's true some
156:57
yep they're kind of you know I've certainly read about that yep
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read the articles about it right and the economist um
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um why don't we just do merge messages ah you know what
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no let's go through this last one okay china's 10 cent gains access to the
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band NVIDIA blackwell b200 chips by leveraging a
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rental loophole in us export controls 10 cent is apparently
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accessing an NVIDIA's most advanced ai chips by renting computing power
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overseas rather than buying the hardware directly according to a financial
157:29
times report the chips are housed in data centers in japan and australia and
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owned by a japanese company called data section which rents the gps to customers
157:37
through long-term contracts this arrangement allows 10 cent to legally
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sidestep us export restrictions that block NVIDIA's top
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chips from being sold into china data section has signed more than 1.2
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million dollars in contracts tied largely to 10 cent and now
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controls around 15 000 NVIDIA blackwell gpus
157:57
rapidly turning the company into one of asia's largest so-called neocloud
158:01
providers data section says demand is so high that even
158:05
regulatory changes wouldn't hurt much as its CEO put it access to
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high end GPU capacity is a very sexy asset
158:15
oh man yeah our discussion question is should companies be allowed to legally work around export
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controls by renting computing power overseas or do you feel this undermines the purpose
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of those restrictions i mean obviously it undermines the purpose of the restrictions
158:27
but it just is the latest of many
158:31
many many examples of times when
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legislation just doesn't
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move as fast as technological innovation
158:43
and in some cases i end up being really
158:47
glad that it doesn't but in other cases it's obvious
158:51
that it is interfering with the abilities of governments to
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manage their their resources and
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i yeah i don't i don't know sort of if i'm rooting for them to be able
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to do that better so a lot of the time i really do think that it has been a benefit
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to the consumers but in other cases where the innovation
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is not a benefit to consumers like or i shouldn't say ai is
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not a benefit to consumers but where it is
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largely impacting consumers in a negative fashion with all the
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data harvesting and the you know encouragement to
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you know off themselves of users and the romantic entanglements
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and all the all the things that have not been properly studied about this ai rollout
159:35
i do feel like legislation would move a little bit faster is there
159:39
a reason that luke's photo is in black and white and everyone
159:43
is saying rip luke in the chat Floatplane is asking for it
159:47
i i don't know you do know that they are not your boss
159:51
but they do funny things sometimes i mean they do
159:55
definitely do funny things okay after pay respects Floatplane chat
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uh he's not dead he's at christmas di
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okay um
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cool good chat
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i mean it's true we love luke we do we do we do love
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luke um
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stop you're gonna make me think the stream's gone down why don't we do some merge
160:25
messages sure we're going to when after dark let's do that
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although it just feels like when dark now
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uh let's see there's the button
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holy crap there's still a ton of incoming merge messages
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yes um it's been quite heavy today
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alright let's see what we've got here did we do this one
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yes we did hey dll asses last year so i'll ask again now
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what 2026 releases are you most looking forward to
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oh man if you'd asked me this like
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a month and a half ago right like i might have said
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oh yeah month and a half ago
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i'd have probably said steam frame
161:13
because i'm just like i'm a vr nerd i'm really looking forward to
161:17
um not having a tether i think it's gonna
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legitimately make me use it more like if i could just bring a dongle
161:25
with me and play lighter vr games on like my strict halo laptop
161:29
man how cool is that like i can like no
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no lighthouses to set up i don't know man it's
161:37
flipping cool but i'm i'm deeply worried
161:41
about what pricing is going to be like for the steam machine
161:45
for the steam frame for basically anything
161:49
that is going to be coming out in 2026 unless
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the bubble crashes um
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like i okay i think that video that we did
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uh where where david and i sort of
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reverse engineered what the pricing will be of the steam machine i think it's out
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i i think i think there's no way we got it right
162:13
because we kind of assumed that the market had already priced in
162:17
the lack of availability that was upcoming but it looks like that is not
162:21
the case and things are going to continue to get worse server
162:25
um we also haven't accounted for the
162:29
potential price increases on GPU's like i didn't think it was going to be so
162:33
bad that we weren't going to be able to get enough GDDR um
162:37
oh speaking of which we haven't done our weekly b580
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check guys seriously GPU's are going to go up
162:47
if you can still get the home my god you can still get it if you need a GPU
162:51
like a decent GPU right now go for it
162:55
um i forget what our new egg affiliate link is Dan can
162:59
you throw it in the chat oh i people also don't know no float planes already
163:03
posting it oh they're so good it's LMG.gg
163:07
slash new egg guys if you need a GPU
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you will thank me that you picked
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up a b580 before pricing went stupid because even
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though Intel is rumored to be announcing the b770
163:23
like at ces or sometime very soon um what i suspect
163:27
is that they will build in the RAM shortage pricing
163:31
to that new one and they may even make adjustments to the
163:35
b570 and the b580 i don't know any of this for sure which is
163:39
why i'm able to speculate on it without you know breaching any kind of
163:43
nondisclosure agreement um but i strongly suspect
163:47
that if you don't pick up this onyx lumie arc b580
163:51
with 12 gigs of GDDR 6 for 239
163:55
99 now with the Intel holiday
163:59
bundle which is i remind you
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battlefield 6 pick one of
164:07
battlefield 6 assassins creed shadows dying light the beast
164:11
or sydmire civilization 7 you get this card
164:15
with this amount of RAM for 240 us dollars
164:19
and you get a full price triple a game
164:23
you will not be finding a better deal
164:29
i'm gonna say it next year i i really don't think so
164:33
it's possible it's possible but i i really
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sincerely doubt it so now is a really good time to pick up one of these
164:41
and uh and get a get a decent GPU for a decent price i mean
164:45
what even is 12 gigs of RAM worth right now
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okay so let's go with like a somewhat equivalent you know what's
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16 gigs of DDR5 so around 200 dollars right now
164:57
for 16 gigs of RAM so you're getting 12 gigs
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of RAM which let's call 150 dollars
165:05
right you're getting battlefield for which is let's call
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50 bucks so 200 dollars you're basically paying
165:13
40 dollars for an arc b580 GPU
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okay crazy
165:21
crazy there's no way that Intel can be making money on that
165:25
die and those vrms and that cooler at that point
165:29
like i just just do it someone says that was 2 by
165:33
16 yes and i did a really amazing thing where i took
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the price and i cut it in half to represent 16 gigs of RAM
165:41
to be 200 dollars ish it was cool you did math
165:45
on purpose? i know right hi
165:49
binus book and ban i'm working on ownership
165:53
of an amazon dsp and need advice on balancing
165:57
employee care with managing razor thin margins
166:01
in the early stages of the company hello from vegas
166:05
oh it's hard man i don't think
166:09
we've ever found the right balance and i think even
166:13
if we found the right balance there would be people who don't agree
166:17
we're finally doing it we're finally working on how does LMG
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spend money which people have asked for every single time
166:25
we've done how does LMG make money and what i can tell you
166:29
is that when we get down into the
166:33
the details of you know yeah like how much
166:37
of it goes to taxes how much of it goes to
166:41
net profit for investment for next year
166:45
for shareholder dividends
166:49
when we get into these details i guarantee you
166:53
that even though we are well under
166:57
what many of the companies you don't hate take for profit
167:01
there will be people who are mad about it there's going to be people that say
167:05
well you should have done more there's people that would look at your question
167:09
and say well you know you're the owner
167:13
it should be 100% employee care and then there's going to be other people
167:17
that you ask on the more business monster side that are going to say
167:21
none of that matters outsource to cheaper labor
167:25
and get your margins up right away or i don't know
167:29
it's just like the conversation we had earlier
167:33
where people are not going to
167:37
agree on this everyone's going to have a completely different
167:41
line
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oh wait there was one thing i was going to say
167:51
an important part of it though is communication with your team
167:55
laying out very clearly what the reward is
167:59
and what it can be and then following through on that
168:03
if you're asking people to make any kind of personal sacrifice okay sorry go ahead
168:07
sure thing for Linus do you feel like you will ever
168:11
find a phone that you will be happy with it seems like with each phone you find
168:15
nitpicks or issues do you think having too many
168:19
so many opportunities to upgrade effects i assume this
168:23
no if anything i mean i think i probably upgrade my phone
168:27
less than almost any other electronics youtuber who covers
168:31
phones i try not to i really don't like it i mean
168:35
i've used the note 9 for like 4 years or something like that
168:39
or 3 years will i find one that i'm happy with
168:43
i mean as long as designs continue to
168:47
and no i don't think so because a lot of the
168:51
direction of the mobile phone industry just runs counter to
168:55
what i like and want out of my devices i'm
168:59
pretty happy with this one but like i'm not going to lie and say that it
169:03
didn't immediately stop folding completely flat like literally
169:07
the second day i had it unless i you know give it the old
169:11
you know over fold
169:15
why why is that like why is that acceptable why is that
169:19
normal
169:23
the like i'm trying to think what else like
169:27
some of the stuff that i encountered on the iPhone was just like it's just baffling
169:31
to me that it's that it's not that it's not you know fixed
169:37
oh man there's a video coming soon i actually was
169:41
dailying an iphone air and then an iphone 17 and then i dabbled
169:45
with the iphone 17 pro max over
169:49
the last almost almost two months i think this is the longest i've been iphone in a while
169:53
and there were some things that were really good really good
169:57
and then there were also things that were just like infuriating
170:09
so yeah nitpicks and issues no i think if anything it comes down
170:13
to that it's my job to find things that are really
170:17
good and find things that are not as good and i also
170:21
tend to be a pretty busy person so i think i have a higher sensitivity
170:25
to unnecessary interactions and
170:29
an intuitive design than most people would because
170:33
it's my job to get intimately familiar with the device
170:37
really really quickly and especially when it doesn't follow
170:41
that same companies established
170:45
rules for interaction it just
170:49
kind of drives me nuts because i do understand that a lot of products these days
170:53
are just sort of designed by committee and there's these
170:57
huge teams that oftentimes will barely even talk to each other but
171:01
that doesn't mean that it will stop driving me crazy that
171:05
you could have a flagship Android phone that for years
171:09
didn't support a feature on youtube which is owned by google which
171:13
androids also managed by google
171:17
in this case it was youtube stories that just simply wasn't supported on it
171:21
guys this is a software switch that you can just flip just enable
171:25
stories on tablets or stop classifying this
171:29
phone as a tablet do one of those two things and let the feature
171:33
run free why are you maintaining two different versions of the app
171:41
oh i do not have the pebble on right now
171:45
i'm actually finally yes finally
171:49
doing it it's either going to be short
171:53
circuit or it's going to be LTT but i'm trying a Garmin smartwatch
171:57
so pebble i shot the ShortCircuit last week and then bell's been
172:01
chasing me to do this Garmin one for quite a while
172:05
hey Dan and the other two my question is how to reignite the passion
172:09
for games it's hard to find the childlike wonder again
172:13
i wonder if you have any tips to break the monotony hi from camloops
172:17
like so many things it's all about people it's all about
172:21
relationships humans are we're super complicated but we're also
172:25
kind of simple right like we love novelty so
172:29
if your hope was that you're going to recreate
172:33
that um that experience that you'd never had before
172:37
again it's not going to work like that so if what you loved about games was
172:41
was novelty um that's going to be tougher to recreate but there's
172:45
other levers you can pull there's nostalgia uh i had an absolute blast
172:49
i put dozens and dozens of hours into this roguelite hockey game called
172:53
tape to tape i haven't been playing it as much lately i should probably check in
172:57
and see how it's going the developer super cool canadian surfers game
173:01
um seemed really passionate and it reminded me
173:05
of playing like an hlpa 93 uh but
173:09
you know fun and modern and with kind of a new
173:13
with a new twist on it um so you know nostalgia can be a really good
173:17
one uh another great example of that is how many
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incredible like um pixel art like
173:25
16-bit pixel art games there are that sort of emulate the style of classics like
173:29
final fantasy 6 chrono trigger um a couple that
173:33
sort of stood out to me sea of stars seems like they were a really passionate
173:37
team uh i quite enjoyed the game i didn't think it was quite as good as
173:41
people kind of made it out to be it was a little shallow in terms of the
173:45
gameplay and i won't say much about the story but i will say
173:49
that there were just aspects of it that um you know whatever but the
173:53
music is incredible the art is beautiful
173:57
um it was absolutely worth a playthrough if you enjoy
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uh if you enjoy that that art style if you enjoy um that
174:05
era of gaming another really good one this one i cannot recommend
174:09
enough what a beautiful game so
174:13
incredibly well written uh crosscode um
174:17
radical fish i think is coming out with their next game like soon-ish
174:21
uh but in the meantime you should definitely pick this up it is
174:25
just an outstanding outstanding game uh and then
174:29
what's what's the last one that i that i really really enjoyed um
174:33
16-bit pixel games
174:37
bit bit bit bit oh man uh
174:41
i'm trying to remember what it was
174:45
there was another really good one that i played a little while ago where the the writing
174:49
got kind of silly after a bit um but
174:53
in like uh in like an anime way that a lot of people will probably like
174:59
i can't remember well i will i'll have to i'll have
175:03
to get that for you guys another time but it's like turn-based combat world exploration
175:09
no no one's uh no one said it yet
175:15
well anyway yeah so so yeah so nostalgia can be
175:19
can be a really good way to kind of reignite the the passion finding something that is
175:23
both new and and has reminders of old uh another really big one
175:27
would be just people uh a huge
175:31
part of what i enjoyed so much about playing tape to tape was socializing
175:35
so using it as a way to connect with people whether they're part of your life now
175:39
or whether they're people that used to be part of your life i'd say that gaming
175:43
chain decos that's the one thanks crater chain decos also also really
175:47
cool uh definitely enjoyed the combat of chain decos a little
175:51
bit more than um than sea of stars
175:55
i played them both like back to back around the same time
175:59
chain decos is super cool how is this so cheap chain decos is
176:03
10 us dollars right now winter sale
176:07
heck yeah steam being mean to everyone's wall
176:11
it's yeah dude it's so good yeah it's really good
176:15
anyway a couple more yeah connecting with people that that'll probably
176:19
help get you get you back into it playing games with my kids is lots of fun although now that
176:23
my son is so much better than me and my girls
176:27
still aren't good enough to like compete it's hard
176:31
to play like competitive games with them but it's still it's still great
176:35
to just enjoy you know stories um also also with the wife we
176:39
we played unravel too recently and we played uh it takes to a little while back
176:43
people happy holidays
176:47
tech gents love the new screwdrivers great for gifting
176:51
what is one of your tech pet peeves
176:55
workers smashing their mobile pay kiosks into my phone for
176:59
tap to pay is mine cheers oh
177:03
man a tech pet peeve i'd say the biggest one for me
177:07
in my daily life has got to be password autofill that just like
177:11
doesn't work that doesn't detect
177:15
the right app or the right website like it it feels like it it works
177:19
every time 75% of the time and when it works
177:23
dude password autofill and pass keys oh man pass keys i was talking about this
177:27
before the show pass keys are such a
177:31
failed promise man like in theory they were
177:35
supposed to make it so that i didn't have to do like passwords and two factor
177:39
because the whole thing was
177:43
supposed to be just like this thing that is on me that i have already
177:47
authenticated i'm using and it this is my one factor my thing i have
177:51
and then um the thing that i am
177:55
is supposed to be the biometric authentication that was supposed to be it and i'm
177:59
supposed to just automatically log into everything in practice i went to log into something
178:03
that used a pass key before the before the show started
178:07
and what is it so i have to enter i had to enter my password that i've memorized because
178:11
it is my like single sign on one so i had to enter my password
178:15
and then in order to authenticate that i had to
178:19
um unlock my phone to
178:23
so i had to click scan qr code i'm going to do it that way then i had to unlock my phone then i had to
178:27
click it then i had to say what i was logging into then i had
178:31
to biometrically authenticate again then i had to click yes and then it was
178:35
like seven steps later i might as well have just typed an eight character password at that
178:39
point it's ridiculous um
178:43
so i'd say that's definitely more mine and the last one i have
178:47
today question for Linus from a fellow motorcyclist
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have you written the Suzuki GSX 8S
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spiritual successor to your sv6 50 love seeing
178:59
a live wancho merry christmas from scotland hey thanks
179:03
merry christmas to you too scotland no i haven't this thing looks
179:07
sick though like damn this
179:11
thing looks awesome um
179:15
oh look at that
179:19
dang there's so many cool bikes i wish i was allowed to get a motorcycle
179:23
my mommy says no um
179:27
yeah wow this looks awesome no this had completely
179:31
um this had completely flown
179:35
under my radar
179:39
oh here we go uh
179:43
okay is it a v-twin or is it an inline does anyone know
179:49
anyone beuler
179:53
uh well i'll wait for i'll wait for someone to respond in chat but no that thing looks
179:57
sick i haven't been on my i haven't been on my
180:01
sv and we're coming up on like three years but the paint job is done
180:05
but there's really bad news about the paint job um
180:09
i don't think that my base color layer
180:13
adhered properly to my primer layer on some of the parts and i think it's
180:17
basically just gonna like crack off after a season or two
180:21
which is uh deeply
180:25
disheartening i you know i tried
180:29
i tried to do my i tried to to learn
180:33
the air sprayer and i i tried to learn all the coatings and i tried
180:37
to have the right conditions and everything but i think i just got caught
180:41
one day when maybe i didn't get the temperature right or maybe i didn't get the mix right
180:45
and it just it just didn't adhere uh so some of the
180:49
parts are fine to the point where they're like so hard to strip that i
180:53
like destroyed a part once trying to strip paint off of it and redo it
180:57
because i screwed up the uh the effect layer and then others are
181:01
just like oh my god these are just gonna these are just gonna flake off so
181:05
i think i'm probably only gonna get a couple of seasons out of it it was a fun learning experience
181:09
and then i think next time around i've actually got uh i got a buddy who
181:13
is into badminton and also runs a paint shop i'm just gonna be like hey danny
181:17
uh this time can i just come into your shop and do
181:21
like a couple hour session with you and maybe use your shop and maybe
181:25
here's a few bucks or some free time at smash champs or something and let's work
181:29
out a tit for tat and i'll maybe i'll just you know
181:33
do something else let danny do it no that's no fun
181:39
yeah that that's boring that's boring i want to ride around on a
181:43
bike that i painted so maybe next time around will be a gsx 8s what what do these
181:47
cost anyway oh i never i never check chat is it a v-twin or is an inline
181:51
somebody in twitch had said parallel twin i don't know if they're
181:55
lying to you uh
181:59
msrp starting from question mark what the devil
182:03
does that mean prices of products on the cider manufacturer
182:07
suggested but blah blah blah yeah yeah yeah i get it you might have to build one out but you
182:11
didn't give me one oh
182:15
oh okay hold on hold on location british columbia
182:19
dude man bikes are oh man the hell that's like new
182:23
yeah eleven thousand dollars to be clear is a lot of money i guess you only
182:27
get two wheels but that's canadian dollars so this is like this is like eight
182:31
eight grand or something like that and like man compared to
182:35
compared to four wheel vehicles you can
182:39
you can buy so much you can buy so much fun on a bike
182:43
compared to a four wheel vehicle for the price like good lord
182:47
dude oh wow that's a
182:51
that's a big engine i didn't clue in that the eight was eight hundred
182:55
uh cc's
182:59
more there's two hundred more than cappuccino seven hundred and seventy six
183:03
cc's
183:07
i don't know guys do you really want me to be like the the game dev guy
183:11
who died recently because i 650 was already
183:15
frickin a lot from immense got ride by wire
183:19
abs low RPM assist interesting
183:23
for smoother and easier starts okay that i don't know if i need as much but
183:27
sure damn this thing looks so cool
183:33
all right i'm gonna i'm gonna um
183:37
you know not buy it though maybe
183:45
thing looks sick uh okay
183:49
uh oh is that it that's all i got for you
183:53
oh wow okay well hey uh one last one last
183:57
shout out guys now is a great time to head over to LTT Store
184:01
our priz magic screwdrivers for a very limited time only until
184:05
december 30th don't wait around very limited time are 20%
184:09
off thanks to our partnership with youtube shopping so all you gotta do
184:13
is go watch the video which i'm gonna publish right
184:17
now so right now i think it's unlisted i've uh i've got it open if you want to do it
184:21
you can't uh yeah don't go ahead punch it down so this video is gonna go live
184:25
right now go watch it it's a really fun video it's
184:29
every LTT Store product that i couldn't release
184:33
for some reason or another it should be live if you want to give it an f5
184:37
hopefully i didn't the wrong one live so we sat down with the
184:41
engineering team there you go nine seconds ago that's
184:45
one second there we go so we sat down with both the engineering
184:49
team to talk about some of the really wild products that never saw the light of
184:53
day as well as with the fashion team to talk about some of the
184:57
really cool products that never saw the light of day and the various reasons
185:01
that they didn't i don't want to spoil too much but the
185:05
reason that we never made this wallet hold on
185:09
let me see if i can find it
185:13
okay i can't find it but there's a wallet that we never made
185:17
and um yeah here they are
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and the way we got access to these original prototypes will
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absolutely blow your mind the oh oh shoot i missed it
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the idea behind them though was that they looked like folders
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um
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anyway go check it out and i think that's it for the
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WAN Show we'll see you again next week same bad time same
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bad channel
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what the hell is the speaker on this thing
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what that no that's the opposite of what you're supposed to do
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bye
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all right see you
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you