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Heck yeah, heck yeah, oh we're gonna have to talk a little louder to get it

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adjusted. Hello hello hello hello hello hello yes the compressor has kicked in

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now that's why it's cold outside. Oh my goodness this is an interesting strat

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you're sitting that far from a power outlet but you've chosen to charge your

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laptop off of the battery. Where's the USB plug on the power outlet? Thank you

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for coming to my TED talk. I don't know why why don't you have a charger for

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your laptop. No I know I'm charging the battery bank. Off of your laptop oh this

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is even dumber than I thought. Well where's the where's the other plug? Right

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What do you mean? That's the charger for the battery. What? Run your laptop off of

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battery. Why? Because it'll charge this faster. I have the whole show. The whole

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show for your incredible the WAN Show with our laptop partner Dell to just

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last for a long time and then this would be charged. You know what you do you. I

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can do it it's fine. This way I'll never have to worry about it's all it's

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completely. Yeah you've created a perpetual motion machine you've done a good job. What do you mean? The laptop so the wall charges the laptop which

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charges the battery bank which charges the laptop everything is charged. It's

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it's going one direction right now it's just it's just charging the battery bank.

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It's got that one thing. Yeah yeah that's what makes it beautiful. I do find it

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very annoying. My Lenovo laptop literally no matter what the state of the

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laptop is and no matter what the state of the battery bank is it will only flow

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battery bank to laptop. This is no we're not live this has nothing to do with

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Dell versus Lenovo whatever. It's probably like like Lenovo's like utility. Probably

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something there might be a way I can configure it to change it whatever but

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like the whole handshake thing that everyone was told it does not do that

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on that laptop for whatever reason. It does charge the laptop though which is

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cool. Nice. That is sweet. That is also like why I did buy this as well even

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though it's your green friendly sponsor bros I bought it all right. Should we do

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this thing? Let's do this thing. Let's get the show started. First exclusive to

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the pre-show stop floaties. Oh no Christmas is done. No longer Christmas. Oh no. That's

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right. That's how you know that he died because the tree goes away. No his mass

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is over but he lives on in spirit and also came back to life with new mass.

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Also Christmas is like the birth one not the death one but also he wasn't born

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at Christmas time so I'd love to listen to Linus religious tips. Not going to happen.

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I was trying to explain religious concepts to someone a few days ago using

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Warhammer 40k references to try to make them make sense. I was like you see. The

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Holy Ghost is like the war. I was literally doing something. I was like you need to

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understand. The Geller drive is like the communion wafers. The amazing part was

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it was working. It actually helps to make it make sense. The tech priests are like real priests.

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Mars' influence on the politics of Terra are important to understand. I'm going to

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grab a snack because it's a little bit early to be this crazy without a snack.

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Oh man.

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Yeah I can't remember what like sparked it. I think they were trying to say that

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like oh man I don't know if I want to get to religious stuff but I don't think

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this is anti any particular religion. They were trying to say that they find

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it interesting how you're supposed to interpret things that were done or may

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have been done based on writings largely from other people about a certain

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person and I was talking about how Warhammer 40k has that problem. Leave it

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at that. Are we canceled now? No I think I tried carefully enough. Or was it the

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other way around? They were talking about that in Warhammer and I related that to it anyways. It's something. It was a bit of a go.

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What are we waiting for at this current moment? Just snack time? Okay. Perfect.

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Who's here? My life for Iyer. My life for Iyer. I miss when StarCraft was like

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cool and relevant. They could have done so much with that IP. So much dude. Where's

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Ghost? Look at what happened to Space Marine dude. Don't say his name. StarCraft

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Ghost man. Oh no. Look there's even like I don't know if this stuff is fake or not

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but man and you may be like whoa looks bad. It's so old dude. I don't know if

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this is real. I don't know if the time frame makes sense for it to have like Halo

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2 graphics. Another one graphics maybe. It's Fortnite? No. I don't think so. No. 2005. Wow

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it is that old. Multiplayer plot. I had so much going for it dude. Base around a beloved

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character who is super hyped up in multiple games. Everything. Any hope for that? No.

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There's no hope for ghosts. Not currently at least. We'll see what I guess a Microsoft

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decides to do because that's a thing now I guess. Strangely enough. Four minutes of StarCraft

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Ghost gameplay with commentary. I forgot this was like a thing. Look at me spore flashbacks.

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Look at this dude. Spore flashbacks. Spore actually came out though. Yeah but it was

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nothing like it was supposed to be. Well yeah because it was Star Citizen. It looks like

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it would be fun. Yeah. I can't believe they had this much of a game and it never became

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a thing. Wild. All right. Should we do this thing? Nice sweater dude. You've got things

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going on. I don't know if you want that or not. Sure. Sounds good. Adds to the stoyle.

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Resuming the selected now. Dan you might have to let me know when it's live. Heard. Heard.

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Peter Mullen you. That's a name I haven't heard. What's up everybody and welcome to the

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WAN Show. We have a great show lined up for you guys this week because people weren't in

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office much this week so Luke and I will be making up a lot of things as we go. Yeah.

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That's right. The RAM shortage is in full swing and there's been even further negative developments.

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That's right. It has gotten worse. No. I'm serious. Over Christmas. Yes. How could they.

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It got worse. There's actually system integrators that have come up with the innovation of selling

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computers without RAM. Bring your own RAM PCs. That is end times right there. I will say

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end times. No we're not talking about it yet. Also we're going to be talking about how Spotify

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managed to be entirely scraped. That's right. You can download the entirety of Spotify if

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of course you are a filthy pirate which no judgment you might be. Speaking of scraping

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Google sues another company for scraping Google in an act that is very interesting. Okay.

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Thank you. That does sound interesting. Also Valve continues the cheapest steam deck. Did

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you say continues or discontinues. I might have said continues. I meant discontinues.

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Right. Nice. A bit of a bit of an important clarity. Discontinued. Yes. They continued to

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discontinue.

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The show is brought to you by. Oh crap. I.

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My brain does not turn on this early in the morning. And it's brought to you by Squarespace

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Did we. Yo D brand. Did we continue having our rap. D brand protect your laptop. Don't

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let it be a crap top. Oh my God. Watch me go flip flap top. Oh yeah. Flap top. Yeah but

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you just rhymed top with top. You did laptop and flap top. I've heard far more egregious

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non rhymes in actual professional music sir. Fair enough. It has happened I guess. Yo.

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No. Okay sure. Yo let's go straight into Yo ho ho Spotify has been scraped and is being

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loaded on torrents and as archives scraped and downloaded 256 million rows of metadata

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actually wait no I lied I have something more important to talk about first and that is

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that these are out now and you have a very very limited amount of time to get them for

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20% off courtesy of oh God courtesy of YouTube the priz magic screwdrivers are here they're

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out non infringing purple non infringing teal non infringing orange and legally distinct

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gray they're all here delicious we're calling them plasma purple molten orange cryo teal and

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carbon black fun nostalgic Y2K clear tech colors it's the priz magic series of screwdrivers

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and we are teaming up with YouTube shop to offer 20% off from December 26th to the 30th

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20% off and this is not the kind of thing that's just like oh well you know LTT will just sell

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it for 20% off no we're teaming up with YouTube shop for the 20% off discount it is only

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eligible during this period so go to YouTube click on the video every LTT Store item that

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didn't happen Dan is going to link that because I believe it's actually unlisted right now

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but once when show goes live that video will go up add the priz magic screwdriver through

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YouTube shopping that's all you have to do the discount applies automatically but it is

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only for five days get it while you can we'll talk about other LTT Store stuff later but

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that is the most important one one quick sec while we talk about YouTube shopping adding it

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with YouTube shopping does that mean grabbing it down here how do they do that like if I'm on

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I'm on the the website if I'm on the website I see this banner so if you video on YouTube add

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product and cart through YouTube shopping discounts automatically applied I click view on

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YouTube you've got to be kidding me hold on Sammy says we're having issues right now trying

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to resolve oh hey everyone we're having some issues with YouTube shopping promo we're working

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on it as fast as we can what

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sorry I just I tried to go through the flow and was just like yeah cool no work and

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as archive the scraped and downloaded 256 million rows of metadata and 86 million

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auto audio files from Spotify totaling around 300 terabytes of data and as archive typically

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aggregates print media links for books and papers and provides searchable results in its

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mission of preserving humanity's knowledge and culture and as archive has been blocked in many

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countries and has had hundreds of millions of URL takedown requests filed with Google the

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86 million audio tracks that's me are composed of 160 kilobit per second quality for popular

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songs and it drops down to 75 kilobits per second for less listened tracks I am muted

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now these tracks represent 99.6% of listens on Spotify that's crazy they state this Spotify

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scrape is our humble attempt to start such a preservation archive for music of course Spotify

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doesn't have all the music in the world but it's a great start they will be releasing the data on

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their torrents page in different stages with the metadata already released then the music files

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will be dropped in order of popularity followed by additional file metadata and album art they also

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state on their blog for now this is a torrents only archive aimed at preservation but if there is

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enough interest we could add downloading of individual files to Anna's archive please let us know

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if you would like this Spotify later responded saying they have identified and disabled the

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accounts that were scraping the data they state since day one we have stood with the artist

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community against piracy and we are actively working with our industry partners to protect

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creators and defend their rights all right so this seems you know what let's have the

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conversation we were having pre-show oh boy Luke has a theory that that I think is an

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interesting theory and let's not get too deep into the granularity necessarily of it okay but

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Luke basically presented that he wasn't sure that people would be as yo ho ho are you know about

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this and I don't think they have been I would put that out there as they necessarily have been

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about other things and I just want to do like kind of a vibe check with the community basically

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I'll lay out sort of the bones of Luke's theory and then we can shiver me them timbers bury them

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six feet under or we can or we can keep talking about it but basically what he said was like

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there seems to be a sliding scale of acceptance like yeah like a pecking order of what's very

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okay to pirate versus what's not very okay to pirate TV shows seem to be very okay to pirate

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among sort of like you know the internet community sure books seem to be surprisingly okay

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thoughtlessly no one cares pirated with with no cares given you know websites with paywalls seem

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to get treated as just like like that was just an obstacle that was in the way of my God

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given right to view the website so they seem to be like on the highest level of acceptance for

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for that but then audio over and this is a funny thing because in the early torrenting days

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when it was when we called it Napster audio was like most of it audio was most of it yeah and

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that was mostly because just the internet wasn't really fast enough to meaningfully pirate movies

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and and TV shows and also streaming sites didn't really exist encoding technology wasn't as as awesome

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like you couldn't get great quality at an amount of you know bandwidth that was reasonable for you to

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actually download like it just you know video media just wasn't really feasible at that time but

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like what are what are your guys's what are your guys's take on this oh right so where I was going

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with that was but audio ever since I mean realistically ever since the all you can eat

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subscription model came to music I would say that music piracy while maybe maybe it's not deemed

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more acceptable than before it's certainly fallen out of vogue yeah and I will say that to counter

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my theory being more correct I suspect one of the reasons why there hasn't been as big of an explosion

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about this and his archive music thing as maybe there could have been is because a lot of people

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are subscribed to something YouTube premium which gives them YouTube music or Spotify or I don't

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know I'm assuming there's an Apple thing or title or whatever so they already have a subscription

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service that has practically everything so they just don't really like care that this archive is out

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there as much lion cat also brings up trying to buy TV shows and movies is really hard in digital

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formats that I don't have restrictions on whereas buying music with zero DRM is easy and fairly cheap

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so that sort of is it I believe so I mean I have I have mp3's that I bought on iTunes like 15 years

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ago that I could totally that's still a thing because that's the only way I don't know I don't know

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a couple artists that I've wanted to directly support so I've literally just like bought their thing

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and like I don't even know if it ever showed up it was like never the point right I just yeah but in a

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lot of cases if you're not an iTunes person band camp is that they do

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sort of has an interesting take here and to be clear I'm not I'm not backing any of these comments

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from float plain chat that I'm reading I'm just kind of reading them out because they're

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different from each other sort of says AI companies can scrape everything in existence

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I accept that everything is okay to pirate until AI companies with pirated data are gone after

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essentially that's interesting willing spy says if I cross the line I'm gonna cross the line

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I won't have any reservations so okay that's that's interesting doesn't feel like band camp is truly

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a solution in my view I'm looking up a few different things Dan vibes in float plain chat

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not to be confused with producer Dan says I'm a DJ I am also subscribed to official DJ libraries

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but for personal use I use certain YouTube downloaders so they so Dan vibes draws the line between

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commercial use and personal use that's an interesting line that is I think it's a semi common line

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yeah yeah no I can I can see that

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Savas I have no problem paying a certain amount of money for a single movie or TV show

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but all of them want subscriptions that drives me crazy I watch like one movie a month

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Stone Monarch says I only pirate music because even if I pay for it it gets removed

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I mean I think that's a bit of a rationalization Stone Monarch there's a there's a lot of music

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that doesn't get removed from subscription services I don't I don't think there's been like a mass

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removing event there certainly have been things that have been removed and that certainly is

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is a major downer I am I am like actively trying to buy a digital version of a particular album

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and I am not succeeding seriously I blink 182 album this I tried to make it a low-hanging

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that can't be that hard a digital version yeah it doesn't seem to be the easiest thing

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ever is this physical or digital audio CD nice solid literally literally solid it's solid

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the one on their actual store is an LP I looked up blink when I to on bandcamp right and they

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only have one album and it's Buddha which is like I don't think most people know that

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that album exists this is this is not like the easiest thing ever

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if I yeah yeah there's a website where I can find listings for it in CD vinyl and cassette

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forms but I can't find a digital version people are saying a couple random websites I'll try

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this one if this website is legit I'd really hope that it would come up in a search this is

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music streaming yeah okay download store okay I'll check I'll check so is the issue a service

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issue again oh wow float wow Floatplane chat is is is super active right now about this

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definitely a lot of opinions Ben 34 says I feel a lot less guilty pirating something if I support

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the person actively on social media I feel this is fine what do you think what does that mean

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well depends what you mean by supporting if like you press thumbs up once in a while on one of

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their tweets I would say that that does not count well listen my whole thing with piracy

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right is I've always said here's the impact you're gonna draw your own line what I can say

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is that the amount of money they would have made from you not pirating their stuff is substantially

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maybe even infinitely higher than what they're gonna make from you pressing thumbs up once

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in a while so you know if you're trying to if you're trying to find like a like a monetary

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support rationale then that's definitely not equivalent however you know if you're if you're

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drawing the line some other way then you know that's that's your line to draw but I would say

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they're not the same thing minor skills says I mean half the movies and shows I want to watch

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are not available anymore at all not in my country etc that's a that's a major one is like the

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whole regional licensing massive I think that's a huge driver for piracy there's a lot of this

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is one of the reasons why I basically refuse to subscribe to any of those services is somewhat

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somewhat in line with the person who said oh I might subscribe for a certain thing of music

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and then it's gone that's much more real in my opinion on the movies and TV show side of things

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yeah where you subscribe to a service and then I don't know the show some of the shows that you

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might have wanted might just disappear that's happened many times with things like Netflix

00:26:26.140 --> 00:26:32.140
clapped k-24 accord says I'll gladly buy a concert shirt when I'm seeing artists perform live

00:26:32.140 --> 00:26:36.140
if you aren't good enough for me to see live I don't feel the need to directly support you

00:26:36.140 --> 00:26:43.140
and then goes on to completely obliterate their own argument saying only exception is the

00:26:43.140 --> 00:26:49.140
tragically hip and other bands where members have died and disbanded right exactly or members

00:26:49.140 --> 00:26:55.140
where live performances are not practical because you know they they do a lot of post-processing

00:26:55.140 --> 00:27:01.140
on their music and that's you know is not conducive to performing live or maybe they have a health

00:27:01.140 --> 00:27:07.140
condition that makes it so that they can't perform live or you know there's a I think that's a

00:27:07.140 --> 00:27:14.140
I think that again not taking a stance on your stance but you took a stance on your stance

00:27:14.140 --> 00:27:20.140
you said this is my line by the way here's a giant hole in the line that I that I drew

00:27:20.140 --> 00:27:26.140
and that that was on you who did that not me

00:27:26.140 --> 00:27:33.140
music's good on shuffle videos and more yeah wow this is really really interesting

00:27:33.140 --> 00:27:40.140
okay the outlier says I pirate music music videos and movies however videos I have a

00:27:40.140 --> 00:27:46.140
Spotify account for actually listening to music and an offline backup in case it gets taken down

00:27:46.140 --> 00:27:51.140
so yeah like on a personal level I kind of like that I buy blue rays vinyls of content I love

00:27:51.140 --> 00:27:56.140
and I go and see many live shows and go to the theaters regularly so you are the outlier

00:27:56.140 --> 00:28:05.140
aren't you it's literally the username the outlier oh yeah okay I mean yeah it's it is very

00:28:05.140 --> 00:28:13.140
interesting to see how easy it was for any time I've ever talked about piracy for it to

00:28:13.140 --> 00:28:19.140
tick off a large percentage of the audience because reading through these comments and the

00:28:19.140 --> 00:28:23.140
conversations like this is about the fastest I think I can remember seeing Floatplane chat

00:28:23.140 --> 00:28:33.140
moving move yeah everybody has drawn not just like a line on a linear scale for like how much

00:28:33.140 --> 00:28:39.140
piracy is okay because there's all the different ways of piracy piracy aing there's all the

00:28:39.140 --> 00:28:45.140
different mediums that you can pirate there's all the different definitions of piracy I mean

00:28:45.140 --> 00:28:54.140
there's a lot of folks myself included who feel that piracy is circumvention of the of the

00:28:54.140 --> 00:29:00.140
of the payment of a media good like to me that was always kind of what it fundamentally boiled

00:29:00.140 --> 00:29:08.140
down to there are clearly folks who do not agree to them piracy requires it to be illegal

00:29:09.140 --> 00:29:16.140
explicitly that was and and I believe that is actually like dictionary definition yeah correct

00:29:16.140 --> 00:29:20.140
I think that's the reason why you switched to calling it privateering yes so it's like this

00:29:20.140 --> 00:29:25.140
whole it becomes like a whole spirit versus letter of the law sort of argument at that point

00:29:25.140 --> 00:29:34.140
which again to me has always been you know sort of sort of arbitrary but to a lot of people

00:29:34.140 --> 00:29:38.140
is a very important line that they draw for their own personal morality so that they don't

00:29:38.140 --> 00:29:47.140
have to wear a tricorn hat or something but yeah it's clear it's clear that y'all are okay

00:29:47.140 --> 00:29:55.140
man I keep getting new takes here ick see your face goes I'd never pirate fiction but non-fictional

00:29:55.140 --> 00:30:01.140
educational pretty much always I think that's also a pretty common line to be honest also really

00:30:01.140 --> 00:30:07.140
yeah I think so I mean explain it to me when you're on dude when you're on university

00:30:07.140 --> 00:30:14.140
campuses the the hats are on yeah sure the hats are firmly positioned I just a little bit

00:30:14.140 --> 00:30:17.140
on the older side because digital textbooks was not as much of a thing when I was in my

00:30:17.140 --> 00:30:22.140
first couple years barely creaking into being a thing when I was going to school I bought

00:30:22.140 --> 00:30:27.140
all my textbooks used people were that was a thing just about it and then I resold them

00:30:28.140 --> 00:30:36.140
in in some cases I definitely honestly do agree there are a lot of documented documented

00:30:36.140 --> 00:30:43.140
counts where people are bumping revisions of books for practically nothing where the

00:30:43.140 --> 00:30:48.140
author of the book is the teacher of the class and then bumping revisions to make you buy

00:30:48.140 --> 00:30:54.140
new ones and like all this yeah there is a lot of very obviously unfair play in the

00:30:54.140 --> 00:30:59.140
educational space and you know it's still not legal for that whole line thing that

00:30:59.140 --> 00:31:04.140
we're talking about right I can definitely understand why someone's line could be placed

00:31:04.140 --> 00:31:08.140
in a position where they're like I'm cool the pirate this I'm going to be okay with

00:31:08.140 --> 00:31:16.140
that because it's like you know you're you're spending a mind shattering amount on getting

00:31:17.140 --> 00:31:25.140
North American education and yeah 2024 study showed a huge number of student

00:31:25.140 --> 00:31:29.140
students pirate books and also share them around totally makes that zero zero says

00:31:29.140 --> 00:31:33.140
there's even some university lecturers who will send an email out saying don't use these

00:31:33.140 --> 00:31:38.140
websites yeah these ones this is a thing that has actually also happened many times

00:31:38.140 --> 00:31:43.140
make it easier for them to find them yeah like it's it's it's tough because think

00:31:43.140 --> 00:31:48.140
think of how many scenarios you are required to buy a book

00:31:48.140 --> 00:31:54.140
clapped k-24 Accord says I proudly pirated the Canadian electrical code if safety is

00:31:54.140 --> 00:32:02.140
that important I ain't paying $300 on it get wrecked yeah people have their own line right

00:32:02.140 --> 00:32:09.140
I could see there being certain educational books that I would feel really bad about

00:32:09.140 --> 00:32:14.140
pirating yeah and I could see there being certain educational books where I'd be like

00:32:14.140 --> 00:32:22.140
download like I don't know I think it really depends on the the one specifically for me

00:32:22.140 --> 00:32:28.140
yeah and I can be the biggest takeaway here is that literally no two people sitting next

00:32:28.140 --> 00:32:33.140
to each other in a room could possibly agree a hundred percent on what's okay and what's

00:32:33.140 --> 00:32:40.140
not okay to pirate yeah unless they were absolutists unless they were literally sith

00:32:40.140 --> 00:32:47.140
yeah yeah only a sith speaks in absolutes literally nothing is okay or literally everything

00:32:47.140 --> 00:32:52.140
which there are people in both camps yeah there there are there are people I do wonder

00:32:52.140 --> 00:32:56.140
as many of them in this conversation right now in this chat but there are people I do

00:32:56.140 --> 00:33:02.140
wonder if eventually you could poke a hole in most of those people's belief system though

00:33:02.140 --> 00:33:08.140
simply by bringing it back around to something that that they work on because it's amazing

00:33:08.140 --> 00:33:15.140
how quickly you can do that where you kind of go okay but what if what if they pirated

00:33:15.140 --> 00:33:19.140
you know this thing that you create you know what if some but what if somebody didn't pay

00:33:19.140 --> 00:33:25.140
you for your work and they'll be like well obviously you know that's an exception because

00:33:25.140 --> 00:33:30.140
there's I know there's a oh I hope I don't misrepresent their argument but I know there's

00:33:30.140 --> 00:33:37.140
a group of people where it's all information should be free at all times and it just that's

00:33:37.140 --> 00:33:43.140
their line and they don't care if they make it or not make it yeah if they're creating

00:33:43.140 --> 00:33:51.140
information whatever that might be oh I do believe that for there are a significant number

00:33:51.140 --> 00:33:57.140
of people that at the actually walk that walk oh yeah but also most of the people who say

00:33:57.140 --> 00:34:03.140
they do I have not found that they actually do I know I've met people that do but I think

00:34:03.140 --> 00:34:07.140
I would agree with you on that one where a lot of people hear that and be like oh that sounds

00:34:07.140 --> 00:34:12.140
cool and then not actually like really think about the consequences while there are definitely

00:34:12.140 --> 00:34:16.140
people that have thought about the consequences and are just like yep totally I'm going to

00:34:16.140 --> 00:34:19.140
contribute to open source stuff we're going to do all these other things yeah I'm going to

00:34:19.140 --> 00:34:26.140
absolutely walk this walk and it just it is it is what it is is there a man oh how do we

00:34:26.140 --> 00:34:33.140
because like for software yeah you know open source is like the you know the solution like

00:34:33.140 --> 00:34:41.140
but I don't I don't think there's like an open source you know music open source movies

00:34:41.140 --> 00:34:45.140
solution you kind of get where I'm where I'm going with this like if you were if you're

00:34:45.140 --> 00:34:50.140
someone who believes fundamentally that software should all be free then there's like there's

00:34:50.140 --> 00:34:55.140
a path so they're just to all software being free it's kind of it's been kind of laid out

00:34:55.140 --> 00:35:00.140
we just have to we have to do it whereas like movies I don't I don't think there's a path

00:35:00.140 --> 00:35:05.140
to movies being free I don't know there's people that have started putting things up I know this

00:35:05.140 --> 00:35:10.140
this is a line that's going to get really interesting really fast but there's people that

00:35:10.140 --> 00:35:14.140
have been putting up people saying oh yeah public libraries it's a good one Creative Commons

00:35:14.140 --> 00:35:19.140
but how do you distribute well I think who's going to make them that that's more the issue

00:35:19.140 --> 00:35:24.140
like with with open source I think we've kind of solved the who's going to make it issue

00:35:24.140 --> 00:35:29.140
and we've solved how they're going to get paid it's going to be through support contracts

00:35:29.140 --> 00:35:34.140
major companies all right so that's how we're doing this and then but on the movie side

00:35:34.140 --> 00:35:39.140
who will make them and how will they be paid I don't I don't see yeah this is some people

00:35:39.140 --> 00:35:42.140
in chat are already saying the thing that I've been thinking about and this is going to

00:35:42.140 --> 00:35:47.140
become an interesting conversation fast like I just said previously but YouTube there's

00:35:48.140 --> 00:35:53.140
I don't remember it but there's a YouTube documentary that went up and did really well

00:35:53.140 --> 00:36:00.140
and they got approached by a few different larger companies including Netflix and some

00:36:00.140 --> 00:36:04.140
other ones to take that documentary make it exclusive to their paid subscription platform

00:36:04.140 --> 00:36:09.140
and they said no the reason why they said no was because they thought they would have

00:36:09.140 --> 00:36:16.140
better flexibility and potentially financials by staying on YouTube because of I think it

00:36:16.140 --> 00:36:23.140
was a great feature on interesting so it was crowdfunding what are we going to do how do

00:36:23.140 --> 00:36:30.140
you how do you start you have to you have to start in that realm by by design like from

00:36:30.140 --> 00:36:37.140
the yeah and it's tough and it's and I do man there was a people stay subscribed for

00:36:37.140 --> 00:36:41.140
the three years it takes you to make your next documentary that's I think that's tough

00:36:41.140 --> 00:36:47.140
it's very tough and and we'll you will YouTube continue to inchify to the point where it's

00:36:47.140 --> 00:36:53.140
it's it's going to become a major problem like like I I came across a really interesting

00:36:53.140 --> 00:37:02.140
thread on the LTT subreddit this week just about how crap YouTube's getting and we actually

00:37:02.140 --> 00:37:09.140
we did this last week but I think it bears doing again this is my YouTube homepage there

00:37:09.140 --> 00:37:16.140
is yeah an ad live stream live stream two live streams five shorts a row of shorts which

00:37:16.140 --> 00:37:23.140
like don't if they don't even autoplay the whole thing they just stop you have to click

00:37:23.140 --> 00:37:32.140
them you have it's it's by design you know it's by design then we get what another live stream

00:37:32.140 --> 00:37:43.140
an ad a vaude the first vaude oh my god YouTube playables these ai slop garbage games so out

00:37:43.140 --> 00:37:53.140
of my first two pages so I'm below the fold already one vaude it is I will say it is

00:37:53.140 --> 00:37:58.140
kind of somewhat based YouTube that the one vaude that you got is like a really small

00:37:58.140 --> 00:38:02.140
video because part of YouTube is discoverability and all that kind of stuff but it's it's one

00:38:02.140 --> 00:38:07.140
why is it why is it one okay let's keep going I mean I haven't I haven't prepped this right

00:38:07.140 --> 00:38:14.140
below the fold again okay here we go a Boston Dynamics video that's pretty popular Jurassic

00:38:14.140 --> 00:38:19.140
Park but with a cat a ShortCircuit video okay we got three vots another row of shorts

00:38:19.140 --> 00:38:27.140
another live stream another live stream another ad a 10 year old video from what 13 years

00:38:27.140 --> 00:38:32.140
old but yeah sure who's counting we got electro boom in here okay so we get a few vots another

00:38:32.140 --> 00:38:36.140
live stream another fireplace please tell me that's not the same fireplace no it's a different

00:38:36.140 --> 00:38:40.140
fireplace sorry one second can we look at that video real quick Virginia traffic attorney

00:38:40.140 --> 00:38:47.140
Luke J. Nichols dot MOV from 13 years ago I mean it's got four and a half million views

00:38:47.140 --> 00:38:51.140
oh it's an ad it must have been used as an ad this is he's just talking about his practice

00:38:51.140 --> 00:38:57.140
totally it must have so it's just an ad and it like it probably was an ad at some point

00:38:57.140 --> 00:39:03.140
it probably isn't an ad anymore because there's no way yeah this is clearly not parody though

00:39:03.140 --> 00:39:10.140
this is an actual ad for Virginia traffic attorney Luke J. Nichols dynamo v am I missing

00:39:10.140 --> 00:39:16.140
something here okay now I'm clicking it I must be missing something here I don't know

00:39:16.140 --> 00:39:20.140
how I found this video but I didn't expect to see outdoor boys your new job is way cooler

00:39:20.140 --> 00:39:24.140
than a traffic attorney wait that's outdoor boys okay that makes sense why they got so

00:39:24.140 --> 00:39:32.140
many views that is totally him what the heck okay got it I didn't recognize the name immediately

00:39:32.140 --> 00:39:39.140
that is incredibly random hilarious so what happens if I call this number you know let's

00:39:39.140 --> 00:39:46.140
not do that yeah that's not necessary we're not that kind of show but so how much farther

00:39:46.140 --> 00:39:50.140
and then this was sort of the conversation that some people were we're trying to have

00:39:50.140 --> 00:39:57.140
in the reddit thread but like how much more in verification is there for YouTube to go

00:39:57.140 --> 00:40:04.140
through I mean I do feel like this whole AI slop game thing might be the jump the shark

00:40:04.140 --> 00:40:10.140
moment it feels like it to me I think I rented about this last week but yeah YouTube really

00:40:10.140 --> 00:40:18.140
had to find their way I'm I am genuinely rather terrified because that was the answer right

00:40:18.140 --> 00:40:23.140
like that was the communities and your answer to how we're going to not have everything

00:40:23.140 --> 00:40:27.140
be major studio funded and we're going to have like indie be possible the answer is

00:40:27.140 --> 00:40:35.140
YouTube has been the bastion yes they've been the way for for small projects to survive

00:40:35.140 --> 00:40:40.140
and and fund themselves you know off platform on Patreon or even through YouTube directly

00:40:40.140 --> 00:40:50.140
but how is Vaude supposed to survive on YouTube when literally AI slop games are given better

00:40:50.140 --> 00:40:56.140
billing in the first two pages of the site then significantly better than Vaude videos

00:40:56.140 --> 00:41:02.140
yeah and when I say Vaude I don't mean that you know a lot of this other stuff isn't also

00:41:02.140 --> 00:41:07.140
technically video on demand but that's the way that YouTube refers to it is there's shorts

00:41:07.140 --> 00:41:14.140
there's Vaude's there's live so so Vaude that's like your traditional you know 16 by 9

00:41:14.140 --> 00:41:21.140
YouTube upload that's meant to be watched on a on a screen that isn't vertical and isn't

00:41:21.140 --> 00:41:30.140
meant to be like you know played a game on AI slop junk and I don't know and obviously

00:41:30.140 --> 00:41:36.140
this you know affects me personally right because that's the majority of Linus media

00:41:36.140 --> 00:41:43.140
groups work is is Vaude and even though we do dabble in shorts I can tell you now that

00:41:43.140 --> 00:41:48.140
unless you're selling something through your shorts there's not there's not a sustainable

00:41:48.140 --> 00:41:52.140
amount of money to be made not at any kind of scale like I think as an individual person

00:41:52.140 --> 00:41:57.140
you could survive on shorts just kind of filming yourself or maybe even a couple people a few

00:41:57.140 --> 00:42:01.140
people small team but beyond that you're going to need to start to seek sponsorships you're

00:42:01.140 --> 00:42:08.140
going to need to start to sell something ran into a really cool shorts creator who became

00:42:08.140 --> 00:42:13.140
a shorts creator because of his like frozen dessert business as opposed to yeah there's

00:42:13.140 --> 00:42:20.140
a bunch of that around it's weird but yeah yeah we're like the ads we've the ads have

00:42:20.140 --> 00:42:26.140
become the content which is sort of wild that part's very interesting hey I think people

00:42:26.140 --> 00:42:31.140
I think there's some people out there who would make the same argument about us yeah it's

00:42:31.140 --> 00:42:37.140
it's that's again where your line is because some people see certain types of content as

00:42:37.140 --> 00:42:44.140
ads it also depends on their necessarily perception right like there is stuff that we do that I

00:42:44.140 --> 00:42:51.140
would say classified it could be classified as as advertisement like fully like we did

00:42:51.140 --> 00:42:55.140
a fully sponsored short on these like wave generator things we just put them in my hot tub

00:42:55.140 --> 00:42:59.140
and turned it into a whirlpool yeah no I mean we do actually really fair amount of things

00:42:59.140 --> 00:43:03.140
that are that are effectively ads we try to make them entertaining but they're effectively

00:43:03.140 --> 00:43:07.140
ads but there's a lot of people who consider like you know anything that we do building

00:43:07.140 --> 00:43:11.140
a computer to be an ad simply because those are things you can buy and it's like well

00:43:11.140 --> 00:43:22.140
no that's not actually how that works either line gets funky all right but my like I'm

00:43:22.140 --> 00:43:26.140
terrified for what's happening to YouTube thing actually has nothing to do with like

00:43:26.140 --> 00:43:33.140
my job or this place it's entirely just that like I don't know there's comments in

00:43:33.140 --> 00:43:37.140
in full plane chat of like oh YouTube YouTube can definitely I can't remember where it was

00:43:37.140 --> 00:43:41.140
I'm not going to find it sorry but YouTube can definitely get worse they've proven that

00:43:41.140 --> 00:43:46.140
before it's like yeah man I don't know I'm definitely on the like let's dog on YouTube

00:43:46.140 --> 00:43:53.140
chain I guess yeah but like I mean it's also pretty amazing and yeah there really isn't

00:43:53.140 --> 00:43:57.140
anything else there out there like it and I really don't think it's going to happen

00:43:57.140 --> 00:44:02.140
if YouTube goes down we're not going to get this back again you look at the incumbents

00:44:02.140 --> 00:44:08.140
what are they doing yeah just worse things than what YouTube's doing yeah and that's

00:44:08.140 --> 00:44:14.140
and that was with YouTube to be there as a guiding star and show them how to create a

00:44:14.140 --> 00:44:21.140
creator economy company like Twitter talked a good game for a while about you know more

00:44:21.140 --> 00:44:26.140
revenue sharing with creators and and this and that and then I think eventually their

00:44:26.140 --> 00:44:33.140
leadership figured out or that that's not happening or got distracted by something

00:44:33.140 --> 00:44:41.140
tick-tock I don't think bite dance has any intention of ever having a revenue sharing

00:44:41.140 --> 00:44:48.140
model like YouTube introduced I don't which has revenue sharing like pretty pretty decent

00:44:48.140 --> 00:44:53.140
revenue sharing I'd say that's like the other platform where creators can realistically

00:44:53.140 --> 00:45:00.140
like make enough money to sustain teams to build companies like come on are we talking

00:45:00.140 --> 00:45:05.140
about which being better than YouTube in 2026 oh no but this is my point though like and

00:45:05.140 --> 00:45:10.140
they've abandoned Vaude so Vaude is pretty functionally completely abandoned on Twitch

00:45:10.140 --> 00:45:18.140
I've had people who don't understand what Floatplane is say oh this is float planes

00:45:18.140 --> 00:45:25.140
opportunity no it is not we're not doing that it's not happening that will literally never

00:45:25.140 --> 00:45:31.140
happen it will never ever happen the only reason that YouTube works is because it operates

00:45:31.140 --> 00:45:39.140
at such a colossal scale that no amount of you know what Floatplane team super talented

00:45:39.140 --> 00:45:45.140
amazing leadership great job thanks man Peters and Peters in full plane chat right now

00:45:45.140 --> 00:45:52.140
saying yeah please no yeah we're good we're not doing that but a project of that scale

00:45:52.140 --> 00:45:57.140
no matter how I will say it right now and I don't mean this to be offensive to the float

00:45:57.140 --> 00:46:03.140
plane team in any way no no amount of venture capital money would make that viable but that

00:46:03.140 --> 00:46:09.140
has been proven already like if anyone was gonna do it it was basically gonna be Amazon

00:46:09.140 --> 00:46:15.140
yeah with adding Vaude to Twitch and then yeah they don't work there anymore it's probably

00:46:15.140 --> 00:46:20.140
fine I'm not gonna name them but I have talked to Twitch people who during that segment of

00:46:20.140 --> 00:46:27.140
time were like we are going to lose we were never going to win this is a failed idea their

00:46:27.140 --> 00:46:32.140
moat is astronomically bigger than everyone thinks and no one will ever touch YouTube

00:46:32.140 --> 00:46:38.140
and that like almost it's been too many years to say that verbatim but like it's close like

00:46:38.140 --> 00:46:44.140
they there was there's no chance and that's still kind of true unless they remove the

00:46:44.140 --> 00:46:52.140
moat themselves the only real rocket on it they're cooking inside the building and my

00:46:52.140 --> 00:46:56.140
my concern is that threat inside the building is too much you sound scared I am kind of

00:46:56.140 --> 00:47:04.140
scared the like the future of online knowledge sharing with YouTube brought into its core

00:47:04.140 --> 00:47:11.140
is dark like I you look at like so many different ways and there's some there's people talking

00:47:11.140 --> 00:47:16.140
about how they're there stopping using social media and all these different things are

00:47:16.140 --> 00:47:21.140
happening and like there's there's goodness in that but the sad part of that is that

00:47:21.140 --> 00:47:34.140
YouTube was often take that dear God the call is coming from inside the house because

00:47:34.140 --> 00:47:38.140
YouTube threat from yeah it's pretty good that's pretty good I was so confused looking

00:47:38.140 --> 00:47:49.140
at my phone is like did you get spoofed or something yeah it's okay all right gravity

00:47:49.140 --> 00:47:56.140
cube asks it's just concerning but why is it not feasible I understand money but what is

00:47:56.140 --> 00:48:06.140
the part that is so expensive okay so uploading for free is fucking insane for one thing that's

00:48:06.140 --> 00:48:13.140
that's the start like the whole uploading for free only made sense at the beginning because

00:48:13.140 --> 00:48:22.140
investment funding burning money user acquisition period it was it was the mid 2000s slash sort

00:48:22.140 --> 00:48:30.140
of late 2000s and I mean even well into the 2010s that was the Silicon Valley model you

00:48:30.140 --> 00:48:37.140
just burned investor money and then you acquired many many many many users and then usually

00:48:37.140 --> 00:48:43.140
you exited to a much larger company who figured out how to make money off of it eventually

00:48:43.140 --> 00:48:51.140
or just kind of didn't and continued to burn money and just acquire users see twitch as

00:48:51.140 --> 00:48:59.140
an example that was just the model but what happened to the vast majority of other you

00:48:59.140 --> 00:49:06.140
know free to use free to upload free to download services like you know let's let's look at

00:49:06.140 --> 00:49:11.140
Dropbox as an example Dropbox you know made no sense how much they were giving away for

00:49:11.140 --> 00:49:17.140
free in the early days eventually they had to look at it and go oh my god this doesn't

00:49:17.140 --> 00:49:23.140
make any sense and they had to build like a viable business model yeah and now Dropbox

00:49:23.140 --> 00:49:31.140
is popularity is they were like dude they were like basically everywhere yeah cloud storage

00:49:31.140 --> 00:49:36.140
yeah at the time you know in the early days and now it's like yeah Dropbox I don't know

00:49:36.140 --> 00:49:43.140
what did you did you fail to pay do you know did you get cut off by let's see you know Google

00:49:43.140 --> 00:49:51.140
one it is one drive interesting that they're I cloud their tagline is registered users

00:49:51.140 --> 00:50:03.140
I believe it so like that whole that whole model never made any sense except YouTube

00:50:03.140 --> 00:50:09.140
YouTube has somehow has somehow made it work so we would have to find and the somehow right

00:50:09.140 --> 00:50:16.140
is they got bought by Google who continued to throw money into the money furnace until

00:50:16.140 --> 00:50:23.140
such point as they were able to extract enough data that they were able to leverage it to

00:50:23.140 --> 00:50:29.140
make enough on that data that they were able to turn it into a self-sustaining machine

00:50:29.140 --> 00:50:47.140
without the deep deep deep ad business that Google has without the way that they leverage user data

00:50:47.140 --> 00:50:54.140
to make money in their advertising business I just don't see how it could be done and you can look

00:50:54.140 --> 00:51:00.140
at other examples of of strong advertising companies I'd say Facebook would probably be

00:51:00.140 --> 00:51:10.140
the closest thing at this point Meta Meta tried and I don't think Vaude has ever really taken

00:51:10.140 --> 00:51:17.140
off on Meta short form they have a lot form for sure but Meta's model is also so different

00:51:17.140 --> 00:51:24.140
like you I know like literally one creator that does well on Facebook Vaude and and I know there

00:51:24.140 --> 00:51:29.140
are some other creators that do they have some demographics but it's really it's not YouTube

00:51:29.140 --> 00:51:34.140
and it's very very very far from being YouTube and then the other side of it so Google figured out

00:51:34.140 --> 00:51:40.140
how to bring in enough revenue to make it make sense but then they also had to figure out how to scale

00:51:40.140 --> 00:51:45.140
up their infrastructure to make it affordable and I don't know if you guys have noticed this

00:51:45.140 --> 00:51:54.140
but Moore's law and like the way that storage you know costs per terabyte are going like it

00:51:54.140 --> 00:52:01.140
you can't just count on your next data center to be twice as fast have twice as much storage

00:52:01.140 --> 00:52:09.140
and cost half as much as the last one you built anymore the the large scale corporate entities

00:52:09.140 --> 00:52:16.140
are up against the exact same challenges that we are when we go to build a new gaming PC

00:52:16.140 --> 00:52:25.140
and realize oh my god this thing like costs the same or more is not that much faster than my old one

00:52:25.140 --> 00:52:29.140
you know what maybe I'll just keep my five-year-old gaming PC because realistically a five-year-old

00:52:29.140 --> 00:52:35.140
gaming PC today is still going to play anything you'd want to play and you have it already

00:52:36.140 --> 00:52:41.140
you don't have to you don't have to buy a new one I mean they have oh man they have when when you're

00:52:41.140 --> 00:52:46.140
operating at that scale your power and your cooling become major concerns and you might have to upgrade

00:52:46.140 --> 00:52:51.140
just from like an efficiency standpoint but in terms of like performance and especially storage

00:52:51.140 --> 00:52:58.140
we did a video a while back that was I forget exactly what we called it but it basically laid out the case

00:52:58.140 --> 00:53:06.140
for why oh what was it YouTube made a made a controversial move it was something to do with

00:53:06.140 --> 00:53:13.140
YouTube premium is this the skip ad thing no I think it was like resolution I think it was the

00:53:13.140 --> 00:53:18.140
resolution thing like why 4k should be a premium feature something like that yeah thank you

00:53:18.140 --> 00:53:27.140
in Floatplane chat where we basically showed how how the cost per gig of storage used to go down

00:53:27.140 --> 00:53:36.140
very rapidly very rapidly god rapidly and then just like stopped yeah and meanwhile more and more

00:53:36.140 --> 00:53:43.140
people are carrying around 4k video cameras in their pockets all while the storage doesn't get cheaper

00:53:43.140 --> 00:53:50.140
the way that it used to so the only way to make it affordable is to just what I don't know there's

00:53:50.140 --> 00:53:58.140
no magic it's not like Google gets magic hard drives that don't cost money yeah so apparently

00:53:58.140 --> 00:54:03.140
the answer is this

00:54:03.140 --> 00:54:18.140
all right oh my god now that I've watched one video yeah now now all wow this is

00:54:18.140 --> 00:54:34.140
crazy amazing huh YouTube playables wow I'm sure glad this exists 48 million plays with that said I

00:54:34.140 --> 00:54:41.140
don't know you know no one has ever known what does number means yeah we all kind of trust YouTube to

00:54:41.140 --> 00:54:49.140
be somewhat consistent in their application of that number whether it's views or streams or plays

00:54:49.140 --> 00:54:59.140
but I actually sent them an email to my to my rep the other day that I you know I was really

00:54:59.140 --> 00:55:06.140
confused by let me see if I can find it yeah here it is so let me let me fire this let me fire this

00:55:06.140 --> 00:55:19.140
over to you Dan share nice noise oh my god where's teams in my share menu why is it not here

00:55:19.140 --> 00:55:24.140
oh they changed the icon recently that's right there it is just once why would I want to always share to

00:55:24.140 --> 00:55:32.140
the same app just stupid interface thing I am finally daily in the fold seven just in time for the

00:55:32.140 --> 00:55:42.140
triple to come out and I absolutely love it so far that it definitely has some issues but it's pretty awesome

00:55:42.140 --> 00:55:49.140
this is terrible what's up maybe it's better on a phone I'm trying to play one of these I'm trying to play

00:55:49.140 --> 00:55:57.140
that game that had 48 million plays oh here sure oh it's like so all of your movement it's interesting

00:55:57.140 --> 00:56:02.140
this works on YouTube but all of your movement is I see my mouse there's this like touch pad

00:56:02.140 --> 00:56:07.140
spot which is it means you know it's almost certainly just made for a mobile phone so that's

00:56:07.140 --> 00:56:15.140
probably a big part of the problem but I am a unhearable ninja as far as I can tell I get cash

00:56:15.140 --> 00:56:24.140
immediately this probably counts as another play clicking next level yeah yeah probably I can get

00:56:24.140 --> 00:56:32.140
firearms I don't have enough money for any of this cool good game design they can't hear me so I just

00:56:32.140 --> 00:56:37.140
walk near them and they get shanked even if they see me for a second doesn't really matter I could probably

00:56:37.140 --> 00:56:44.140
just speedrun all this by just running into them wow I did it this is the game why has this been played

00:56:44.140 --> 00:56:48.140
48 million times I do suspect it's because every single time you load a level it's probably counts as the

00:56:48.140 --> 00:56:55.140
game being played again well that's the thing is like how how do things count do do do do do do do do do

00:56:56.140 --> 00:57:04.140
no all right sweet okay I think that's probably enough of that sure so I so I sent this screenshot

00:57:04.140 --> 00:57:11.140
yep go ahead down over to my YouTube rep and I was basically like okay I'm trying to understand what's

00:57:11.140 --> 00:57:19.140
going on here it seems like this brand is buying views against this video so you can actually see it

00:57:19.140 --> 00:57:25.140
on the left there that's my my left circle I hadn't switched to a fold phone yet so this was

00:57:25.140 --> 00:57:30.140
the interface I was dealing with and I wanted to send just one screenshot because I don't know

00:57:30.140 --> 00:57:37.140
whatever I did so on the left you can see the stair step of where the brand like ran an advertising

00:57:37.140 --> 00:57:48.140
campaign to buy views for this video right yeah so it got a lot of views but you can see the watch time

00:57:49.140 --> 00:57:59.140
is relatively tanked basically negligible like not just not just doesn't track in lockstep with the

00:57:59.140 --> 00:58:07.140
views because I would fully expect that a purchased view a viewer might not stick around for as long

00:58:07.140 --> 00:58:12.140
right as someone who they might stick around for five seconds comes across the content organically right

00:58:12.140 --> 00:58:22.140
oh okay well she should message me then I didn't get a message from her

00:58:22.140 --> 00:58:29.140
sorry to interrupt yeah yeah no all good okay

00:58:29.140 --> 00:58:36.140
well okay no right right right right right no I know how that one works I can just send that to her

00:58:36.140 --> 00:58:46.140
okay fine I'm doing it I'm doing it I'm doing it now yeah no she did she did not message me

00:58:46.140 --> 00:58:54.140
so I don't know there I sent it so basically my my so my question to the YouTube rep was like look

00:58:54.140 --> 00:59:00.140
I understand that how a view is counted is sort of the secret sauce YouTube doesn't share the criteria

00:59:01.140 --> 00:59:07.140
but is it maybe possible for me to at least understand how something like this can happen

00:59:07.140 --> 00:59:16.140
curiously there's been a small uptick in subscribers that seems to correspond to the the campaign

00:59:16.140 --> 00:59:26.140
that's being run really how do you get new views new subscribers but functionally zero new watch time

00:59:27.140 --> 00:59:34.140
hi Linus just getting back to you

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yep since they're running it as an ad it's not surprising people will be watching for far shorter than usual

00:59:40.140 --> 00:59:48.140
and I said yeah I get that I'm just wondering why that quality you can take it away done why that quality

00:59:48.140 --> 00:59:56.140
is as a view it would seem like you know organically if people were finding this organically

01:00:04.140 --> 01:00:13.140
but what is very clear to me is that view that doesn't necessarily have a set definition

01:00:14.140 --> 01:00:22.140
because I cannot I don't think I've ever in my 18 years of uploading to YouTube ever seen a video

01:00:22.140 --> 01:00:27.140
it's very strange that tracked that far off for watch time and for views

01:00:27.140 --> 01:00:35.140
which is clearly just people clicking skip ad clearly yeah like very clearly yeah but at the end of the day

01:00:35.140 --> 01:00:41.140
right I noticed this as well by the way I was trying to talk to somebody about how viewership on YouTube is

01:00:41.140 --> 01:00:47.140
like it like mind-blowingly spiky these days and how sometimes it's kind of surprising because I thought that video

01:00:47.140 --> 01:00:53.140
was pretty good and I went to bring up that video as an example and I was like whoa okay I was trying to point out

01:00:53.140 --> 01:00:58.140
that it had lower than views and I would expect and I was like what the heck so I went on this huge tangent

01:00:58.140 --> 01:01:01.140
where I was like bring up the dashboard trying to figure out what the heck was going on and then I saw those charts

01:01:01.140 --> 01:01:08.140
and was just like okay well it's pretty obvious what happened yeah but nobody actually watched it except a few people

01:01:08.140 --> 01:01:15.140
did because they subscribed to the channel unless there's like whole bot networks snake eating its own tail

01:01:15.140 --> 01:01:23.140
kind of that will watch that will go out of their way to watch ads and then subscribe or something

01:01:23.140 --> 01:01:26.140
bot network views this feels like it was YouTube ad views

01:01:26.140 --> 01:01:36.140
oh that I don't know probably but no what I'm saying is no no what if there's bot networks that are designed to watch the ad content

01:01:37.140 --> 01:01:44.140
and subscribe to it to seem like legitimate users so that those bot accounts can be reused later or whatever like I could

01:01:44.140 --> 01:01:49.140
yeah like they're just farming new bot accounts or something I look I don't I don't

01:01:49.140 --> 01:01:54.140
piggybacking on a system that exists to try to legitimize themselves in some way interesting

01:01:54.140 --> 01:02:03.140
and you know what it's not the most egregious sort of abuse of of metrics to make advertisers feel like they're getting

01:02:03.140 --> 01:02:10.140
something for their money that I've ever seen I remember my old boss at NCIX not Taren not the owner of the company

01:02:10.140 --> 01:02:19.140
Jack I remember him explaining to me how magazines and newspapers managed to sell their advertising for so much money

01:02:19.140 --> 01:02:26.140
and it blew my mind at the time because you know to me a techie guy for whom one megahertz is one megahertz

01:02:26.140 --> 01:02:39.140
and nothing more nothing less right to have something so emotional be sold and then bought by somebody was just inconceivable right

01:02:39.140 --> 01:02:47.140
but he's like yeah so you got to understand that on the internet you know an ad view is an ad view by and large

01:02:47.140 --> 01:02:55.140
but with magazines they would actually have like a multiplier so first they would assume that every single magazine that was sold

01:02:55.140 --> 01:03:01.140
to a person who viewed every single ad in it but then they assume it's left on a coffee table or whatever else oh my god

01:03:01.140 --> 01:03:12.140
and I think the multiplier you know depending on the yeah depending on the the the publication could be 2x or even 5x

01:03:12.140 --> 01:03:19.140
and these are just like assumptions that would be kind of like hidden in the in the footnotes of the sales deck but that's wild

01:03:19.140 --> 01:03:27.140
yeah right to a certain limited degree sure but it's there's no way it's as high as they were saying

01:03:27.140 --> 01:03:33.140
no I mean it's no way it was even one yeah like if we're being real like what what happened to an unsold magazine

01:03:33.140 --> 01:03:39.140
it didn't get read by three people come on also not every single thing in the entire magazine is read

01:03:39.140 --> 01:03:47.140
and back when magazines were a thing it was very common to be like oh yeah I read front page and page eight and that's it every time

01:03:47.140 --> 01:03:55.140
I don't read anything else so actually back in those days I didn't know that many people that would read the whole thing

01:03:55.140 --> 01:04:04.140
I don't think I knew anybody so anyways I mean there are certain magazines that the articles were the only thing that I was interested in

01:04:04.140 --> 01:04:15.140
mm-hmm mm-hmm for sure yes it's important to note as well everything else was unnecessary filler mm-hmm and I would

01:04:15.140 --> 01:04:23.140
I would sometimes there was filler on them and I would make sure I would check every page I would check every page to verify

01:04:23.140 --> 01:04:29.140
if it was in fact filler and and I would look closely to be sure that I knew that it was certainly filler

01:04:29.140 --> 01:04:42.140
sometimes I might spend more time on those pages verifying that they were filler yes yes

01:04:42.140 --> 01:04:52.140
anyways topic to the RAM shortage oh is here to stay likely resulting in raised prices on PCs and phones

01:04:52.140 --> 01:05:02.140
ah yes thank you International Data Corporation IDC for verifying what everyone else I think has known for a while

01:05:03.140 --> 01:05:10.140
IDC market analysis finds that because memory makers like Micron, Samsung and SK Hynex are shifting supply to AI data center

01:05:10.140 --> 01:05:16.140
stock is tightening for everyday devices and companies that compete on low price with budget products are getting hit hardest

01:05:16.140 --> 01:05:26.140
and are responding by raising prices or cutting features Apple and Samsung have secured their supply early as if that's going to stop them from raising prices

01:05:26.140 --> 01:05:34.140
but PC makers like Dell, HP, Acer, etc. are already signaling price increases as memory costs climb

01:05:34.140 --> 01:05:41.140
so yes it's another ramp up rampocalypse topic but there are a couple of new things that

01:05:41.140 --> 01:05:50.140
that make this not like what we've seen before

01:05:50.140 --> 01:05:57.140
so first something that we have seen before Valve discontinued the least expensive Steam Deck

01:05:57.140 --> 01:06:04.140
this was the $400 LCD model that was sometimes on sale for as little as $350

01:06:04.140 --> 01:06:11.140
it has been quietly discontinued and quietly all of the remaining stock was snapped up

01:06:11.140 --> 01:06:17.140
so now the cheapest Steam Deck I believe is the OLED

01:06:17.140 --> 01:06:25.140
hold on a second I'm trying to find it uh oh my search here is not fine is it in the dockered oh yeah here it is

01:06:25.140 --> 01:06:35.140
so now the most affordable option is the 512 gig OLED version for $550

01:06:36.140 --> 01:06:47.140
oh man the Steam Deck was so the affordability of the Steam Deck was such a game changer

01:06:47.140 --> 01:06:55.140
like for PC gaming and to be clear I have hope that affordable Steam Deck will return

01:06:55.140 --> 01:07:01.140
it's just that you can't do anything about your supplier cost

01:07:02.140 --> 01:07:06.140
and I don't think it's fair to I don't think Valve wants to do this at all

01:07:06.140 --> 01:07:13.140
I don't think it's fair yeah exactly to be mad at Valve over their incoming supply

01:07:13.140 --> 01:07:17.140
over their sourcing costs going up a lot

01:07:17.140 --> 01:07:21.140
to be clear I like to often point out their 30% take

01:07:21.140 --> 01:07:25.140
and how they're not quite the benevolent gods

01:07:25.140 --> 01:07:28.140
that people say they are pretty freaking cool

01:07:28.140 --> 01:07:34.140
they're quite based often but the way that Valve has approached gambling for instance

01:07:34.140 --> 01:07:37.140
the way that Valve just kind of takes their take

01:07:37.140 --> 01:07:41.140
and imperfect algorithmic etc

01:07:41.140 --> 01:07:45.140
and you know not standing up to payment processors

01:07:45.140 --> 01:07:48.140
around us just being allowed to spend our money however we like

01:07:48.140 --> 01:07:51.140
which should be the way that it works Valve is not perfect however

01:07:51.140 --> 01:07:54.140
this is one of the ways that they've actually been super cool for a long time

01:07:54.140 --> 01:07:57.140
is they're really not they understand the model

01:07:57.140 --> 01:08:01.140
if we're gonna sell you this thing and it's gonna have our store on it and you're gonna buy our games and that's great

01:08:01.140 --> 01:08:06.140
therefore the thing doesn't have to be too expensive and they've been keeping stuff like the Steam Deck

01:08:06.140 --> 01:08:09.140
like really cheap for a long time

01:08:09.140 --> 01:08:14.140
and I don't think there's a shift here where they're like oh RAM prices are up we can loot people now

01:08:14.140 --> 01:08:17.140
which is I'm for sure happening

01:08:17.140 --> 01:08:21.140
I'm for sure that's happening at some companies somewhere

01:08:21.140 --> 01:08:26.140
and I really don't think it's happening so basically we're not bootlicking Valve

01:08:26.140 --> 01:08:31.140
we're just trying to make sure that our anger right now

01:08:31.140 --> 01:08:35.140
is directed at the correct sources

01:08:35.140 --> 01:08:39.140
and we're gonna start having like fancy restaurant pricing

01:08:39.140 --> 01:08:42.140
for things where it just says like market price on everything

01:08:42.140 --> 01:08:45.140
and the market price is just dictated by RAM

01:08:45.140 --> 01:08:48.140
I feel like that's something that I did not get across very well last week

01:08:48.140 --> 01:08:52.140
when I was trying to talk about the sort of perspective shift

01:08:52.140 --> 01:08:56.140
so that whole conversation went up on LMG Clips

01:08:56.140 --> 01:09:00.140
and a lot of people were extremely mad about it in fairness

01:09:00.140 --> 01:09:04.140
I did not open the conversation very tactfully

01:09:04.140 --> 01:09:08.140
but the point I was trying to... If I can interject for a moment

01:09:08.140 --> 01:09:14.140
What you're referring to as tactless was in fact tactless plus

01:09:14.140 --> 01:09:20.140
I think part of the problem is that you script think out loud

01:09:21.140 --> 01:09:24.140
I've been thinking about this since you mentioned it before the show

01:09:24.140 --> 01:09:27.140
and I think that was Linus script thinking out loud

01:09:27.140 --> 01:09:33.140
which is where you kind of start with this dramatic position

01:09:33.140 --> 01:09:36.140
Oh, I see and then you distill it and you research it

01:09:36.140 --> 01:09:39.140
and you massage it into a well thought out argument

01:09:39.140 --> 01:09:44.140
that ends up being a script and you script thunk out loud on WAN Show

01:09:44.140 --> 01:09:47.140
and people were like, oh! A lot of people didn't watch that far into the clip

01:09:47.140 --> 01:09:51.140
I can tell you that much but basically what I was trying to get across

01:09:51.140 --> 01:09:54.140
and so a lot of the comments are about how

01:09:54.140 --> 01:09:58.140
well, you got to understand that housing is way more expensive

01:09:58.140 --> 01:10:01.140
and health care is way more expensive we have a lot of American viewers

01:10:01.140 --> 01:10:05.140
and food is way more expensive and computers are way more expensive

01:10:05.140 --> 01:10:09.140
and I guess what I was trying to get across last week

01:10:09.140 --> 01:10:12.140
is if for the last...

01:10:12.140 --> 01:10:15.140
I mean realistically the whole thing kind of goes back to

01:10:15.140 --> 01:10:19.140
sometime in the 70s when

01:10:19.140 --> 01:10:23.140
when wages just completely decoupled from corporate earnings

01:10:23.140 --> 01:10:28.140
because they track pretty close up until like 70s, 80s

01:10:28.140 --> 01:10:32.140
I wonder what happened back then I don't know, who knows, no one knows

01:10:32.140 --> 01:10:38.140
but they track pretty close up until then and then they just completely decoupled from each other

01:10:38.140 --> 01:10:41.140
and I guess the point that I was trying to make last week

01:10:41.140 --> 01:10:45.140
is like if you've been having the shit kicked out of you

01:10:45.140 --> 01:10:51.140
for 50 years by housing and food

01:10:51.140 --> 01:10:54.140
and shelter, sorry, housing and food

01:10:54.140 --> 01:10:59.140
and utilities and essentials

01:10:59.140 --> 01:11:02.140
That's happening right now too energy prices are going through the roof

01:11:02.140 --> 01:11:06.140
and clothing and then all that time

01:11:06.140 --> 01:11:12.140
gaming has been there for you with a full retail game being $60

01:11:12.140 --> 01:11:17.140
somehow in spite of everything else going like this

01:11:17.140 --> 01:11:21.140
and computers have been there for you

01:11:21.140 --> 01:11:24.140
like this, while everything else has gone like this

01:11:24.140 --> 01:11:27.140
and flat screen TVs have been there for you

01:11:27.140 --> 01:11:30.140
like this, while everything else has gone like this

01:11:30.140 --> 01:11:34.140
and flat screens are still there for some reason somehow

01:11:35.140 --> 01:11:38.140
I guess what I was trying to get across last week

01:11:38.140 --> 01:11:41.140
was that, yes, this RAM pricing blip

01:11:41.140 --> 01:11:46.140
really sucks, especially if you have to buy some RAM right now

01:11:46.140 --> 01:11:50.140
but compared to the absolute beating

01:11:50.140 --> 01:11:54.140
that all of these other essentials have been dishing out

01:11:57.140 --> 01:12:01.140
it still hasn't even remotely kept up

01:12:01.140 --> 01:12:04.140
with how much everything else has gone up

01:12:04.140 --> 01:12:08.140
and it sucks

01:12:08.140 --> 01:12:11.140
and especially the reason sucks

01:12:11.140 --> 01:12:15.140
like the fact that it's just so that we can have more AI

01:12:15.140 --> 01:12:18.140
that I don't think anyone, especially in this community

01:12:18.140 --> 01:12:25.140
is really asking for Yeah, a massive amount of the output that I see from those systems

01:12:25.140 --> 01:12:30.140
is junk that no one wants so if we didn't just make all the junk that no one wants

01:12:32.140 --> 01:12:35.140
this probably wouldn't be happening legitimately

01:12:35.140 --> 01:12:38.140
So yeah, I guess what I was trying to get across

01:12:38.140 --> 01:12:41.140
is like guys, the fact that we can still buy

01:12:41.140 --> 01:12:44.140
a Steam Deck for $550

01:12:44.140 --> 01:12:47.140
that's a lot worse than $400

01:12:47.140 --> 01:12:51.140
which is how much we could buy it for a week ago

01:12:51.140 --> 01:12:54.140
for how much value and how much entertainment

01:12:54.140 --> 01:12:57.140
and how much we can extract from that Steam Deck

01:12:57.140 --> 01:13:00.140
for $550

01:13:00.140 --> 01:13:03.140
All I was trying to say is

01:13:03.140 --> 01:13:06.140
hey, let's not be

01:13:06.140 --> 01:13:09.140
super mad at Valve about this

01:13:09.140 --> 01:13:12.140
You can be mad about the situation

01:13:12.140 --> 01:13:15.140
You should be mad about the situation

01:13:15.140 --> 01:13:18.140
Like dude, I was reading about

01:13:18.140 --> 01:13:22.140
how much the big food

01:13:22.140 --> 01:13:25.140
lobby has engaged with the current

01:13:25.140 --> 01:13:28.140
administration to defang

01:13:29.140 --> 01:13:32.140
the good parts of the

01:13:32.140 --> 01:13:35.140
Make America Healthy Again initiative

01:13:35.140 --> 01:13:38.140
And it's been unprecedented

01:13:38.140 --> 01:13:42.140
They're all spending at rates that are at least decade long highs

01:13:42.140 --> 01:13:46.140
in some cases all-time highs to just defang all this stuff

01:13:46.140 --> 01:13:49.140
You should totally be mad

01:13:49.140 --> 01:13:54.140
You should be super mad right now There's honestly too many things to be mad about

01:13:54.140 --> 01:13:58.140
But I do feel like in some ways and this is what I was talking about

01:13:58.140 --> 01:14:02.140
with the perspective adjustment I feel like in some ways

01:14:02.140 --> 01:14:06.140
our passion for gaming and our passion for technology

01:14:06.140 --> 01:14:09.140
is making it so that

01:14:09.140 --> 01:14:12.140
we are more angry

01:14:12.140 --> 01:14:15.140
at this thing that

01:14:15.140 --> 01:14:20.140
that we love than at the things that have actually been

01:14:20.140 --> 01:14:23.140
beating the sh** out of us far more

01:14:23.140 --> 01:14:26.140
in a much longer period of time

01:14:27.140 --> 01:14:31.140
I don't think I did a great job of explaining that

01:14:31.140 --> 01:14:34.140
But I was trying to be more positive

01:14:34.140 --> 01:14:37.140
I was trying to be a little more positive

01:14:39.140 --> 01:14:44.140
And you know what, it's funny because there was a time probably about

01:14:45.140 --> 01:14:48.140
I don't know, six, seven years ago

01:14:48.140 --> 01:14:52.140
I'll stop It's so dead

01:14:52.140 --> 01:14:56.140
That's when it becomes fun I am that old guy

01:14:56.140 --> 01:15:00.140
Did you just dab? Nice

01:15:00.140 --> 01:15:04.140
I can't even do it properly There we go

01:15:04.140 --> 01:15:08.140
See, now it's fun Now it's fun

01:15:08.140 --> 01:15:12.140
I can't even do it right Okay, anyway

01:15:12.140 --> 01:15:16.140
There was somewhere between Totally fake Arthur and the whole plane chat

01:15:16.140 --> 01:15:18.140
It's mods banned them

01:15:19.140 --> 01:15:22.140
Somewhere between five and eight years ago

01:15:22.140 --> 01:15:27.140
There you go We were really leaning into more negativity

01:15:27.140 --> 01:15:31.140
in our content More anger at the stagnation

01:15:31.140 --> 01:15:35.140
in silicon improvements more rants

01:15:35.140 --> 01:15:38.140
And Yvonne actually sat me down

01:15:38.140 --> 01:15:42.140
and was like, okay, listen Is that good for anybody?

01:15:42.140 --> 01:15:47.140
Does that help anybody? Does that help anybody get a better deal on their next computer?

01:15:47.140 --> 01:15:49.140
Does that help anybody

01:15:51.140 --> 01:15:55.140
feel more positive about the system that they're building

01:15:55.140 --> 01:15:59.140
to play games? Can you find a positive side?

01:15:59.140 --> 01:16:03.140
And I kind of went, okay, yeah Yeah, I think I can

01:16:03.140 --> 01:16:07.140
Excuse me The Steam Summer Sale is still there for us

01:16:07.140 --> 01:16:11.140
There's so many games that come out these days

01:16:11.140 --> 01:16:15.140
that do not have high system requirements And I know

01:16:15.140 --> 01:16:19.140
I know that there's a large extremely vocal

01:16:19.140 --> 01:16:23.140
part of the community that is very angry

01:16:23.140 --> 01:16:27.140
about new games having high system requirements that can't be run without upscaling

01:16:27.140 --> 01:16:31.140
or frame generation or whatever else And it's like

01:16:31.140 --> 01:16:35.140
Whoa, whoa, whoa You could probably count on your fingers and toes

01:16:35.140 --> 01:16:39.140
those releases Whereas every week

01:16:39.140 --> 01:16:43.140
Steam gets flooded with many games that are a lot of fun to play

01:16:43.140 --> 01:16:47.140
that you don't have to do any of that for You can play on a 10 year old Linux computer

01:16:47.140 --> 01:16:51.140
It's a very interesting tone shift because of how much people liked Crisis

01:16:51.140 --> 01:16:55.140
I know, I know It was practically impossible to run

01:16:55.140 --> 01:16:59.140
and it was like fun trying to see if you could and stuff like that

01:16:59.140 --> 01:17:03.140
But okay, you know what? I think that is such a critical

01:17:03.140 --> 01:17:07.140
point that you've landed on there because why are people yelling at me

01:17:07.140 --> 01:17:11.140
over on LMG clips? Why are people yelling at

01:17:11.140 --> 01:17:15.140
Hey, hold on Hold on, hold on

01:17:15.140 --> 01:17:19.140
Why are people yelling at game developers for building games that demand

01:17:19.140 --> 01:17:23.140
the fastest computers? Why are people angry

01:17:23.140 --> 01:17:27.140
at all of these places that didn't create the problem?

01:17:27.140 --> 01:17:31.140
Well, it's because of that passion

01:17:31.140 --> 01:17:35.140
That's exactly what I was talking about So back then

01:17:35.140 --> 01:17:39.140
they didn't have to the same degree that it's there now

01:17:39.140 --> 01:17:43.140
all these external stressors Oh yeah, yeah, yeah

01:17:43.140 --> 01:17:47.140
that are impeding on their ability to It was so much easier to just live

01:17:47.140 --> 01:17:51.140
to splurge on a new GPU or that could make it so you could aspire

01:17:51.140 --> 01:17:55.140
to one day owning a system that could run it

01:17:55.140 --> 01:17:59.140
It's the hopelessness that is actually caused

01:17:59.140 --> 01:18:03.140
by all these other factors I mean, when was the last time

01:18:03.140 --> 01:18:07.140
on WAN Show? Think about it

01:18:07.140 --> 01:18:11.140
The last time we talked about a technology industry

01:18:11.140 --> 01:18:13.140
hiring wave

01:18:15.140 --> 01:18:19.140
Who is our f***ing audience? Yeah, early

01:18:19.140 --> 01:18:23.140
It would have been early Covid It happened, it would have been early Covid

01:18:23.140 --> 01:18:27.140
Something that I think is interesting just on this topic

01:18:27.140 --> 01:18:31.140
we started this company in your garage That was

01:18:31.140 --> 01:18:35.140
a normal thing for companies with

01:18:35.140 --> 01:18:39.140
low amounts of money to do back then

01:18:39.140 --> 01:18:41.140
Most people don't have garages anymore

01:18:43.140 --> 01:18:47.140
If now that would have been a privileged position

01:18:47.140 --> 01:18:51.140
which is nuts Even then it was a privileged position

01:18:51.140 --> 01:18:55.140
I remember Yvonne and I shopping for our house

01:18:55.140 --> 01:18:59.140
and pushing ourselves for a detached house

01:18:59.140 --> 01:19:03.140
There are cheaper detached houses that have garages And that was with her

01:19:03.140 --> 01:19:07.140
I mean, yes but also not by as much as you might think

01:19:07.140 --> 01:19:11.140
We were already in the burbs We already, it wasn't like

01:19:11.140 --> 01:19:15.140
a large house by those standards

01:19:15.140 --> 01:19:19.140
It was older It was old when we bought it

01:19:19.140 --> 01:19:23.140
but not like cool you know, heritage

01:19:23.140 --> 01:19:27.140
Not retro It was just old

01:19:27.140 --> 01:19:31.140
And so we almost bought like a row home

01:19:31.140 --> 01:19:35.140
Yeah That was what was kind of comfortable

01:19:35.140 --> 01:19:39.140
and then we pushed ourselves hard and you've got to remember

01:19:39.140 --> 01:19:43.140
that I am married to someone who I don't think really clued in

01:19:43.140 --> 01:19:47.140
to how exceptional she is until I finally did it

01:19:47.140 --> 01:19:51.140
I think I got through to her We were in the Costco parking lot

01:19:51.140 --> 01:19:55.140
We were walking into the store and I

01:19:55.140 --> 01:19:59.140
I was like, yeah I always

01:19:59.140 --> 01:20:03.140
like knew but I never really thought about

01:20:03.140 --> 01:20:07.140
how insane it is that you got hired

01:20:07.140 --> 01:20:11.140
as the manager of a Costco pharmacy at 23

01:20:11.140 --> 01:20:15.140
That is f***ing insane

01:20:15.140 --> 01:20:19.140
Just graduated Major corporation

01:20:19.140 --> 01:20:23.140
Straight to manager Super high hiring standards

01:20:23.140 --> 01:20:27.140
Straight to managing a department with functionally no experience

01:20:27.140 --> 01:20:31.140
I mean, she had some pharmacy work experience from her practicum

01:20:31.140 --> 01:20:35.140
and I think she had like a years experience half a years experience or something

01:20:35.140 --> 01:20:39.140
working at Save On in the pharmacy there

01:20:39.140 --> 01:20:43.140
and she went straight to managing a department

01:20:43.140 --> 01:20:47.140
and I was like, I was thinking about it because

01:20:47.140 --> 01:20:51.140
I don't think we've ever seen

01:20:51.140 --> 01:20:55.140
and no offense to the many, many very talented people who work for

01:20:55.140 --> 01:20:59.140
Allied Atlantis Media Group I don't think we have ever seen anyone

01:20:59.140 --> 01:21:03.140
who's walked in at 23 and we've gone, holy s***

01:21:05.140 --> 01:21:09.140
We will hire this person to manage a team

01:21:09.140 --> 01:21:13.140
of 15 to 20 people immediately

01:21:13.140 --> 01:21:17.140
and she was like, oh yeah I never really thought about that before

01:21:17.140 --> 01:21:19.140
and I was like, yeah, okay, have I finally gotten through

01:21:21.140 --> 01:21:25.140
So anyway, the point that I was getting at here is that was with the benefit

01:21:25.140 --> 01:21:29.140
of her working as a pharmacy manager, which is not

01:21:29.140 --> 01:21:33.140
normal for our cohort I should not have been married

01:21:33.140 --> 01:21:37.140
to someone that was making six figures I also dropped out

01:21:37.140 --> 01:21:41.140
and got extremely I worked hard

01:21:41.140 --> 01:21:45.140
and I like to think that I'm also not stupid right, but I got pretty lucky

01:21:45.140 --> 01:21:49.140
not everyone who took an entry level job at NCIX

01:21:49.140 --> 01:21:53.140
advanced to senior management in four years

01:21:53.140 --> 01:21:57.140
or whatever, five years or whatever it was I do think you're making all this comparison, which is all fair

01:21:57.140 --> 01:22:01.140
but your house that house was more expensive

01:22:01.140 --> 01:22:05.140
and the location makes it way more expensive

01:22:05.140 --> 01:22:09.140
if we're looking at like the North America's

01:22:09.140 --> 01:22:13.140
as a whole, it was relatively common to have a garage

01:22:13.140 --> 01:22:17.140
available to start your company at that year So okay, I was looking at it

01:22:17.140 --> 01:22:21.140
from like a Vancouver market perspective you're looking at it from a North America

01:22:21.140 --> 01:22:25.140
culturally for people who would have watched the video

01:22:25.140 --> 01:22:29.140
for the largest demographic of people that would have watched the video

01:22:29.140 --> 01:22:33.140
in Vancouver, even then a garage was crazy

01:22:33.140 --> 01:22:37.140
and it was because Yvonne and I just like

01:22:37.140 --> 01:22:41.140
teamed up and life together hard

01:22:41.140 --> 01:22:45.140
from 18, which is also not normal

01:22:45.140 --> 01:22:49.140
I look back and I go, if I had to

01:22:49.140 --> 01:22:53.140
solo it for

01:22:53.140 --> 01:22:57.140
some period of years instead of having a partner

01:22:57.140 --> 01:23:01.140
everything would have been way harder absolutely everything

01:23:03.140 --> 01:23:05.140
Yeah, fair enough

01:23:07.140 --> 01:23:11.140
But yeah, no, and now I mean, there are still places

01:23:11.140 --> 01:23:15.140
that are cheap every once in a while

01:23:15.140 --> 01:23:19.140
just like I'll jump on to

01:23:19.140 --> 01:23:23.140
a real estate listing site and you'll find like a detached home

01:23:23.140 --> 01:23:27.140
that's you look at and you go, yeah, I couldn't even

01:23:27.140 --> 01:23:31.140
I couldn't even buy like

01:23:31.140 --> 01:23:35.140
an empty lot in like Chilliwack for that

01:23:35.140 --> 01:23:39.140
It's priced knowing that you're going to have to somehow get rid of all the material that is the current house

01:23:39.140 --> 01:23:43.140
No, no, no, no, no, no, no in some parts of the states and stuff

01:23:43.140 --> 01:23:47.140
where you can buy a whole house that you can live in tomorrow

01:23:47.140 --> 01:23:51.140
for less than what you'd pay for an empty lot in Chilliwack

01:23:51.140 --> 01:23:55.140
I've walked through places around here that seem like they're nicely priced

01:23:55.140 --> 01:23:59.140
and then as you're walking through it the

01:23:59.140 --> 01:24:03.140
wood in the floor is so rotten and moldy

01:24:03.140 --> 01:24:07.140
that you're concerned you're going to fall through the floor and there's just like

01:24:07.140 --> 01:24:11.140
doom and treachery around every corner It's

01:24:11.140 --> 01:24:13.140
can get pretty sketch on the cheaper end

01:24:15.140 --> 01:24:19.140
What are we supposed to be talking about? Oh, right Are they, have they figured things out?

01:24:19.140 --> 01:24:23.140
They have, it's working I have verified it's working

01:24:23.140 --> 01:24:27.140
It's working! So I'll go through the flow, so if you go on

01:24:27.140 --> 01:24:31.140
the lttstore.com site you can click on this banner, which says

01:24:31.140 --> 01:24:35.140
View Video on YouTube The video is... Banner, I hardly know her

01:24:35.140 --> 01:24:39.140
The video is unlisted, so you're probably going to have to find it through the site

01:24:39.140 --> 01:24:43.140
but if you go to the unlisted video that you can click

01:24:43.140 --> 01:24:47.140
on the banner on the store to get to you can then see these screwdrivers

01:24:47.140 --> 01:24:51.140
which say they're a certain cost but maybe don't worry about that cost

01:24:51.140 --> 01:24:55.140
and then you click on it then you add it

01:24:55.140 --> 01:24:59.140
to cart and then when you get there

01:24:59.140 --> 01:25:03.140
it's discounted, there's two of them here it's discounted

01:25:03.140 --> 01:25:07.140
Okay, there were two I was like...

01:25:07.140 --> 01:25:11.140
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Okay, cool, yep, that was a

01:25:11.140 --> 01:25:15.140
little freak out that I had on That's how it works, is the flow weird? Yes

01:25:15.140 --> 01:25:19.140
Yes Does it work? Also yes, double yes

01:25:19.140 --> 01:25:23.140
Yeah, yes, yes Yeah, it's going to look like it's

01:25:23.140 --> 01:25:27.140
not working, there is a point that you get to in this flow that feels strange

01:25:27.140 --> 01:25:31.140
I'm going to point it out You click on, so

01:25:31.140 --> 01:25:35.140
let me go back, you're on the video, you scroll down

01:25:35.140 --> 01:25:39.140
you click on the thing, it shows this price here you click on the thing, you get there

01:25:39.140 --> 01:25:43.140
and I don't see anything going on you know, I don't see any discounts or anything

01:25:43.140 --> 01:25:47.140
Well there's a thing down below It says here, but this price

01:25:47.140 --> 01:25:51.140
which is what 99% of people are just going to see they're not going to read anything else

01:25:51.140 --> 01:25:55.140
looks like that, if you click add to cart and then go to your cart

01:25:55.140 --> 01:25:57.140
now it's correct

01:25:59.140 --> 01:26:03.140
Yeah, now it's correct because I have gone into my cart

01:26:03.140 --> 01:26:07.140
to see it, so you got to have some follow through

01:26:07.140 --> 01:26:11.140
it's like a golf swing or something ever compare your sales

01:26:11.140 --> 01:26:15.140
pipeline to a golf swing Can't say I've ever compared

01:26:15.140 --> 01:26:19.140
anything to golf in any way Oh

01:26:19.140 --> 01:26:23.140
Nice What now, huh?

01:26:23.140 --> 01:26:27.140
So yeah, they're the same screwdrivers you know and love just dressed in some very fun, very nostalgic

01:26:27.140 --> 01:26:31.140
Y2K clear tech colors

01:26:31.140 --> 01:26:35.140
Prismagic series, that discount that Luke showed you, the 20% off

01:26:35.140 --> 01:26:39.140
that we've teamed up with YouTube shop to offer is from December

01:26:39.140 --> 01:26:41.140
26th to 30th

01:26:43.140 --> 01:26:47.140
Don't wait, also we've got a bunch of other cool stuff that you can check out

01:26:47.140 --> 01:26:51.140
on the store right now, if you've ever seen our Lumafield CT scanner video

01:26:51.140 --> 01:26:55.140
this might look a little familiar, it's inspired

01:26:55.140 --> 01:26:59.140
by the see-through scans that we get when we put products

01:26:59.140 --> 01:27:03.140
in the machine, cool right? That is cool

01:27:03.140 --> 01:27:07.140
So we've got, what all do we have on here we have someone wearing a Vision Pro

01:27:07.140 --> 01:27:11.140
Oh, right behind the mic, right there we've got a CPU

01:27:11.140 --> 01:27:15.140
There it is These are actual scans

01:27:15.140 --> 01:27:19.140
out of the Lumafield scanner we've got a little Bredsaurus

01:27:19.140 --> 01:27:23.140
plastic toy, we've got a screwdriver in there I think there's a, yep

01:27:23.140 --> 01:27:27.140
there's a game controllers you can see like the rumble motors and stuff

01:27:27.140 --> 01:27:31.140
um and it's just kind of a cool

01:27:31.140 --> 01:27:35.140
all over print hoodie that if people don't look that closely at

01:27:35.140 --> 01:27:39.140
they might not even realize that it's like a whole bunch of, a whole bunch of tech and stuff

01:27:39.140 --> 01:27:43.140
um LMG.GG

01:27:43.140 --> 01:27:47.140
slash all over print, you can check that out there and, and

01:27:47.140 --> 01:27:51.140
but wait, there's more! It's finally here

01:27:51.140 --> 01:27:55.140
It's finally here the first party bit case

01:27:57.140 --> 01:28:01.140
from LTTstore.com there it is

01:28:01.140 --> 01:28:05.140
ladies and gentlemen 7, 8

01:28:05.140 --> 01:28:09.140
7, 8 30, holds 30 bits

01:28:09.140 --> 01:28:13.140
but stop it

01:28:13.140 --> 01:28:17.140
stop it, they didn't even see you do that they can't even see you right now

01:28:17.140 --> 01:28:21.140
he's over here, he's over here dabbing again

01:28:21.140 --> 01:28:25.140
just stop it um

01:28:25.140 --> 01:28:29.140
anyway the point is it closes with a magnet and it has one of those little

01:28:29.140 --> 01:28:33.140
key things so you can throw a magnetic cable management power bar

01:28:33.140 --> 01:28:37.140
holder on it and then you can just like stick it to stuff and

01:28:37.140 --> 01:28:41.140
and, but wait there's more

01:28:43.140 --> 01:28:47.140
it's been 83 years but we finally

01:28:47.140 --> 01:28:51.140
have posidrive for our european friends

01:28:51.140 --> 01:28:55.140
this is one of those things where a lot of people don't even realize

01:28:55.140 --> 01:28:59.140
that there is a difference and they just grab a phillips bit

01:28:59.140 --> 01:29:03.140
when the screw is actually posidrive and then they wonder why it's slipping

01:29:03.140 --> 01:29:07.140
or getting stripped turns out, wrong bit

01:29:07.140 --> 01:29:11.140
we now have posidrive bits for when you actually need posidrive bits which is more often than you might realize

01:29:11.140 --> 01:29:15.140
ikea for instance, i believe uses posidrive

01:29:15.140 --> 01:29:19.140
so you can shop both the LTT screwdriver bit case

01:29:19.140 --> 01:29:23.140
and the posidrive bits ggslash

01:29:23.140 --> 01:29:27.140
posibitcase that is a horrible vanity url

01:29:27.140 --> 01:29:31.140
um pozibitcase

01:29:31.140 --> 01:29:35.140
anyway what page not found

01:29:35.140 --> 01:29:39.140
it was there hold on

01:29:39.140 --> 01:29:43.140
what just happened no, not that

01:29:43.140 --> 01:29:47.140
no, no, i know but it went it went, i'm so confused

01:29:47.140 --> 01:29:51.140
see okay, well we should probably deal with that

01:29:51.140 --> 01:29:55.140
whatever, it's probably on the home page please tell me it's on the home page

01:29:55.140 --> 01:29:59.140
yeah, there it is okay, nice

01:29:59.140 --> 01:30:03.140
posi underscore bit case good enough

01:30:03.140 --> 01:30:07.140
we'll figure it out drop table employees

01:30:07.140 --> 01:30:11.140
asks why bit holder 30 bits such a missed opportunity to make it 32 bit

01:30:11.140 --> 01:30:15.140
i know, right it was the exact same thing

01:30:15.140 --> 01:30:19.140
with the um with this one too

01:30:19.140 --> 01:30:23.140
i wanted to make the the precision bit set

01:30:23.140 --> 01:30:27.140
i wanted to make it 64 bit but it just ended up working out

01:30:27.140 --> 01:30:31.140
better to be 60 bit so, i'm sorry, i'm sorry

01:30:31.140 --> 01:30:35.140
and i will do better next time next time, that'll be the sequel to both of them

01:30:35.140 --> 01:30:39.140
so lots of good stuff on the store this week great time to

01:30:39.140 --> 01:30:43.140
you know, pick up the christmas present that you didn't get

01:30:43.140 --> 01:30:47.140
we actually, it's now become consistent, i've noticed

01:30:47.140 --> 01:30:51.140
that there is a spike on christmas day even if we don't have any promos running

01:30:51.140 --> 01:30:55.140
of just like people expected a thing, and they're just like

01:30:55.140 --> 01:30:59.140
still sitting on the couch and like yeah, or people spending christmas money

01:31:01.140 --> 01:31:05.140
so it's one of the two but it's 100% a thing

01:31:05.140 --> 01:31:09.140
that makes sense, i just haven't received christmas money in a long time

01:31:09.140 --> 01:31:13.140
yep that makes sense

01:31:13.140 --> 01:31:17.140
great, Dan, what are we supposed to be doing? alright, we're supposed to explain merch messages

01:31:17.140 --> 01:31:21.140
so, if you're new to wandshow welcome

01:31:21.140 --> 01:31:25.140
hey thanks for hanging out with us on the wandshow

01:31:25.140 --> 01:31:29.140
if you're new, then the way to interact with the show is not to throw money

01:31:29.140 --> 01:31:33.140
at your screen, we're really not that into that um, frankly

01:31:33.140 --> 01:31:37.140
you know, i'm doing pretty okay he's doing pretty okay

01:31:37.140 --> 01:31:41.140
that doesn't mean that we don't like making money

01:31:41.140 --> 01:31:45.140
and there are other people that work here we do, and that's our jobs, and that's their jobs

01:31:45.140 --> 01:31:49.140
and uh, you know yeah, that's cool

01:31:49.140 --> 01:31:53.140
but what we also like a lot is working hard for that money

01:31:53.140 --> 01:31:57.140
we really do we so

01:31:57.140 --> 01:32:01.140
we so often choose the hard path yeah

01:32:01.140 --> 01:32:05.140
so instead of just having you throw money at us

01:32:05.140 --> 01:32:09.140
through twitch bits or whatever the youtube ones are called

01:32:09.140 --> 01:32:13.140
or anything like that we create what we feel are really

01:32:13.140 --> 01:32:17.140
amazing products and we have you guys buy those products

01:32:17.140 --> 01:32:21.140
and then you can send a message to the show like that

01:32:21.140 --> 01:32:25.140
and then even if we don't get to your message um, you still get high quality merchandise

01:32:25.140 --> 01:32:29.140
in the mail it's a pretty good system

01:32:29.140 --> 01:32:33.140
so, why don't we show you guys how it works um, you go ahead and you go on to the site

01:32:33.140 --> 01:32:37.140
you add something to your cart and when you're in your cart, Luke's working on it

01:32:37.140 --> 01:32:41.140
he's working on it, he's cooking let him cook

01:32:41.140 --> 01:32:45.140
you go ahead and add something to your cart and when we're live, you will see

01:32:45.140 --> 01:32:49.140
I meant to click the arrow to go to the next one

01:32:49.140 --> 01:32:53.140
yeah, sure, full pitch transparency mode nice

01:32:53.140 --> 01:32:57.140
um, okay, there you go merch message, so you write a little message

01:32:57.140 --> 01:33:01.140
that will go to producer Dan there he is, stop it

01:33:01.140 --> 01:33:05.140
do it right no

01:33:05.140 --> 01:33:09.140
I like this stop it

01:33:09.140 --> 01:33:13.140
no, we're just going, no, forget it stop it

01:33:13.140 --> 01:33:17.140
that will go to producer Dan try again

01:33:17.140 --> 01:33:21.140
there it is I'm so triggered right now

01:33:21.140 --> 01:33:25.140
who will put your merch message on the screen

01:33:25.140 --> 01:33:29.140
like that one that's up there, Tina V what's up

01:33:29.140 --> 01:33:33.140
or who will reply to it or who will curate it for me and Luke

01:33:33.140 --> 01:33:37.140
to respond to, why don't we show you guys with a couple curated messages how that works

01:33:37.140 --> 01:33:41.140
sure, I got one here from Josh hey, Linny, Louis

01:33:41.140 --> 01:33:45.140
and Glenn, saying hi from Toronto Toronto

01:33:45.140 --> 01:33:49.140
what do you think is the most pressing issue tech is facing

01:33:49.140 --> 01:33:53.140
but doesn't get much media attention brain roughification of social media

01:33:53.140 --> 01:33:57.140
perhaps there's a decent amount of attention on that

01:33:57.140 --> 01:34:01.140
that is probably the biggest single problem nope, nope

01:34:01.140 --> 01:34:05.140
let's say the biggest single problem is perverse incentives

01:34:07.140 --> 01:34:11.140
okay, so he just he just went one step down

01:34:11.140 --> 01:34:15.140
he went to the root yeah, they asked what the biggest problem

01:34:15.140 --> 01:34:19.140
it's a good move but it's arguable

01:34:19.140 --> 01:34:23.140
that that's the biggest problem with everything yes

01:34:23.140 --> 01:34:27.140
yes perverse incentives, they're a huge problem

01:34:27.140 --> 01:34:31.140
I mean, we talk about it from like a management perspective

01:34:31.140 --> 01:34:35.140
often, like creating KPIs for people that incentivize

01:34:35.140 --> 01:34:39.140
completely the wrong behaviors that are destructive to themselves, their department

01:34:39.140 --> 01:34:43.140
the entire company that just like

01:34:43.140 --> 01:34:47.140
can seem well-intentioned at the time, like you could create

01:34:47.140 --> 01:34:51.140
an incentive for someone to you know, I don't know, reply to the most

01:34:51.140 --> 01:34:55.140
emails, right, or you know what a great example, Linus Torvald called out

01:34:55.140 --> 01:34:59.140
you know, a super visionary tech leader

01:34:59.140 --> 01:35:03.140
for valuing lines of code oh man, there was a lot of points

01:35:03.140 --> 01:35:07.140
in that video, I watched the whole thing there was a lot of points in that video

01:35:07.140 --> 01:35:11.140
where I felt very validated about different stances, that was

01:35:11.140 --> 01:35:15.140
very much one of them well, I specifically brought that up on your behalf

01:35:15.140 --> 01:35:19.140
you were like, there's a particular member and I was like, yeah!

01:35:19.140 --> 01:35:23.140
it was great and so

01:35:23.140 --> 01:35:27.140
and by creating, theoretically right, like on the very very

01:35:27.140 --> 01:35:31.140
very top crust of the earth surface

01:35:31.140 --> 01:35:35.140
the crust is very thin relative to the depth of the earth okay, that seems like

01:35:35.140 --> 01:35:39.140
it could be a good idea you want your developers

01:35:39.140 --> 01:35:43.140
to like, code a lot right? sure, yeah

01:35:43.140 --> 01:35:47.140
sure, passes the initial person should be

01:35:47.140 --> 01:35:51.140
doing work, what is work? typy typy, I want lots of

01:35:51.140 --> 01:35:55.140
typy typy, yeah exactly but if you were to think about it

01:35:55.140 --> 01:35:59.140
for longer than about 4 seconds you might think, oh wait, quantity

01:35:59.140 --> 01:36:03.140
is probably not the most beneficial thing to this person, career development

01:36:03.140 --> 01:36:07.140
maybe an extremely valuable one of the keys that they could typy typy is backspace or delete

01:36:07.140 --> 01:36:11.140
yeah, who knows and so

01:36:11.140 --> 01:36:15.140
and so if you think about it you know, you're creating an incentive

01:36:15.140 --> 01:36:19.140
for potentially slapdash shoddy inefficient

01:36:19.140 --> 01:36:23.140
work and so perverse incentives exist

01:36:23.140 --> 01:36:27.140
everywhere and

01:36:27.140 --> 01:36:31.140
you know, right now I think that in gaming for instance

01:36:31.140 --> 01:36:35.140
gamers have created

01:36:35.140 --> 01:36:39.140
a reward system for developers that rewards

01:36:39.140 --> 01:36:43.140
forever live service gotcha

01:36:43.140 --> 01:36:47.140
embedded ads expensive

01:36:47.140 --> 01:36:51.140
loot boxes roster packs, pay to win

01:36:53.140 --> 01:36:57.140
and it is human nature to get a reward

01:36:57.140 --> 01:37:01.140
and repeat that behavior and the only difference

01:37:01.140 --> 01:37:05.140
now is that we're doing it on an industrial

01:37:05.140 --> 01:37:09.140
scale you know, I think that the

01:37:09.140 --> 01:37:13.140
new business funding machine has created

01:37:13.140 --> 01:37:17.140
perverse incentives to target infinite exponential

01:37:17.140 --> 01:37:21.140
growth because that's where they get their reward from

01:37:21.140 --> 01:37:25.140
and that's where we get bizarre behavior like buying all of the memory in the world

01:37:25.140 --> 01:37:27.140
for an entire year

01:37:29.140 --> 01:37:33.140
pretty much, Nomad I mean, we were talking a lot about

01:37:33.140 --> 01:37:37.140
piracy earlier in the show I think that by

01:37:37.140 --> 01:37:41.140
in some cases, pirating

01:37:41.140 --> 01:37:45.140
online media we can create perverse incentives

01:37:45.140 --> 01:37:49.140
for ever more intrusive advertising

01:37:49.140 --> 01:37:53.140
and paywalls and monetization structures because people

01:37:53.140 --> 01:37:57.140
expect to be paid for their work which is wild

01:37:57.140 --> 01:38:01.140
crazy right

01:38:01.140 --> 01:38:05.140
but I think if people had continued to not become immune to banner ads

01:38:05.140 --> 01:38:09.140
or block them we might not have ended up with

01:38:09.140 --> 01:38:13.140
say something do you remember that audio clip?

01:38:13.140 --> 01:38:17.140
I will never forget it what?

01:38:17.140 --> 01:38:21.140
man, what is that? I don't even remember what it was for

01:38:21.140 --> 01:38:25.140
deeply ingrained in my brain but I don't remember what it's for from

01:38:25.140 --> 01:38:29.140
but I know it's like a thing that I've heard it was a banner ad for something

01:38:29.140 --> 01:38:33.140
I don't remember what it was but it was an audio banner ad

01:38:33.140 --> 01:38:37.140
and it was the most obnoxious one I would

01:38:37.140 --> 01:38:41.140
oh my god, my speakers are on sometimes you'd have to find it

01:38:41.140 --> 01:38:45.140
and and yeah

01:38:45.140 --> 01:38:49.140
and it's one of those things where

01:38:49.140 --> 01:38:53.140
on the subject of ad block I never said don't do it I've even showed people how to do it

01:38:53.140 --> 01:38:57.140
but what I did say was consider the outcomes

01:38:57.140 --> 01:39:01.140
every action we take has consequences

01:39:01.140 --> 01:39:05.140
and if you want quality media that you enjoy

01:39:05.140 --> 01:39:09.140
if you want quality writing that you like to read

01:39:09.140 --> 01:39:13.140
then you may

01:39:13.140 --> 01:39:17.140
consider that those things

01:39:17.140 --> 01:39:21.140
need financial support to exist

01:39:21.140 --> 01:39:25.140
or you may not but then just you know

01:39:25.140 --> 01:39:29.140
when we're in the dystopian AI slop future

01:39:31.140 --> 01:39:35.140
just you know understand that we all

01:39:35.140 --> 01:39:39.140
me, him even him

01:39:39.140 --> 01:39:43.140
we all had a part to play in this outcome

01:39:43.140 --> 01:39:47.140
and this is really really important okay so put down your keyboards

01:39:47.140 --> 01:39:51.140
one moment please this is really really important

01:39:51.140 --> 01:39:55.140
we might have ended up there anyway we might have ended up with the intrusive ads

01:39:55.140 --> 01:39:59.140
we might have ended up with AI slop all the things

01:39:59.140 --> 01:40:03.140
and human jobs being cut we might have ended up there anyway

01:40:03.140 --> 01:40:07.140
because corporate greed truly knows no limits but

01:40:07.140 --> 01:40:11.140
but we might not have and we'll never know now

01:40:13.140 --> 01:40:17.140
yeah so that's cool I think it's somewhat true but also if the incentives

01:40:17.140 --> 01:40:21.140
are the opposite where like if you don't support

01:40:21.140 --> 01:40:25.140
things that do that the corporate greed will follow

01:40:25.140 --> 01:40:29.140
where the incentives are corporate greed is a

01:40:29.140 --> 01:40:33.140
guarantee but if we provided incentives

01:40:33.140 --> 01:40:37.140
to build high quality products for instance

01:40:37.140 --> 01:40:41.140
then the corporate greed would follow that

01:40:41.140 --> 01:40:45.140
but we provide incentives to build disposable the cheapest

01:40:45.140 --> 01:40:49.140
possible thing and you know that's why

01:40:49.140 --> 01:40:53.140
oh boy that's why North American manufacturing

01:40:53.140 --> 01:40:55.140
was off-shored

01:40:57.140 --> 01:41:01.140
I find it funny that you moved away from the mic is if you're trying to like dodge

01:41:01.140 --> 01:41:03.140
off-shored

01:41:05.140 --> 01:41:09.140
I mean if I can talk at them maybe they can yell at me through it

01:41:09.140 --> 01:41:13.140
you can make speakers be microphones can you make microphones be speakers

01:41:13.140 --> 01:41:17.140
um yes I think so

01:41:17.140 --> 01:41:21.140
I think if you did it hard enough probably I don't know that they'd be loud but

01:41:21.140 --> 01:41:25.140
yeah people are saying yes you can yeah alright so then it could happen

01:41:25.140 --> 01:41:29.140
or ruin the mic I don't think they're concerned about that

01:41:29.140 --> 01:41:33.140
so um so this is one of those things that it's like we have no

01:41:33.140 --> 01:41:37.140
further to look than you know in the mirror

01:41:37.140 --> 01:41:41.140
and I'm a participant every single time that I go to the dollar store to buy a

01:41:41.140 --> 01:41:45.140
barbeque scraper rather than buy one from smarter every day

01:41:45.140 --> 01:41:49.140
I think I've pointed this video out maybe a couple times on wancho

01:41:49.140 --> 01:41:53.140
but there is a video by speed like I show speed

01:41:53.140 --> 01:41:57.140
no this comes up every time um

01:41:57.140 --> 01:42:01.140
barbeque scraper man yep I love that

01:42:01.140 --> 01:42:05.140
that's like in some circles what he's known for now

01:42:05.140 --> 01:42:09.140
really yeah that is pretty interesting yeah right

01:42:09.140 --> 01:42:13.140
can I find this video he did a video on like buying

01:42:13.140 --> 01:42:17.140
uh like you know they don't make them how they used

01:42:17.140 --> 01:42:21.140
to is that true and it's actually very interesting

01:42:21.140 --> 01:42:25.140
if I can even find it which so far I can't

01:42:25.140 --> 01:42:29.140
speaking of perverse incentives, youtube titling and thumbnails

01:42:29.140 --> 01:42:33.140
we wouldn't do it I didn't even try to search for this

01:42:33.140 --> 01:42:37.140
because you know I'm not like

01:42:37.140 --> 01:42:41.140
oh this guy does clickbait it's just like it's a standard on the

01:42:41.140 --> 01:42:45.140
on the platform now right you like basically have to

01:42:45.140 --> 01:42:49.140
uh man where is I don't think it's that

01:42:49.140 --> 01:42:53.140
oni highkid says all incentives are perverse and degrade moral integrity

01:42:53.140 --> 01:42:57.140
when you make a decision based on only benefits you're not exercising your moral

01:42:57.140 --> 01:43:01.140
willpower and it will atrophy over time the starting point of any decision should be

01:43:01.140 --> 01:43:05.140
your own moral framework which is cool

01:43:05.140 --> 01:43:09.140
cool in theory it's great in theory welcome to companies

01:43:09.140 --> 01:43:13.140
and the second that you have a hundred mouths to feed um

01:43:13.140 --> 01:43:17.140
and you make it's not even just that the the standard

01:43:17.140 --> 01:43:21.140
state for companies is is corporate degree that's how companies work

01:43:21.140 --> 01:43:25.140
it's honestly at a certain level how they sort of have to

01:43:25.140 --> 01:43:29.140
I mean you don't even have to start there which is why I started with the second you have

01:43:29.140 --> 01:43:33.140
a hundred mouths to feed and pivoting your company in some way

01:43:33.140 --> 01:43:37.140
will be the difference between a christmas bonus and mass layoffs

01:43:37.140 --> 01:43:41.140
then I will ask I'll turn the question around on you and I'll ask

01:43:41.140 --> 01:43:45.140
which was the moral choice because the railroad tracks

01:43:45.140 --> 01:43:49.140
were your own personal integrity

01:43:49.140 --> 01:43:53.140
or all of your employees lined up

01:43:53.140 --> 01:43:55.140
tied down on the railroad track

01:43:57.140 --> 01:44:01.140
which switch do you pull it's not that simple

01:44:01.140 --> 01:44:05.140
but then there are also some layoffs that are super simple

01:44:05.140 --> 01:44:09.140
where it's like I don't know stock dollar number go up if fire

01:44:09.140 --> 01:44:13.140
large number of people and then I get new boat

01:44:13.140 --> 01:44:17.140
I choose boat I would say that's a super nice incentive yeah yeah

01:44:17.140 --> 01:44:21.140
a maria says line is taking gambling ads next year confirmed

01:44:21.140 --> 01:44:25.140
no we are very far from we are very far from that point

01:44:25.140 --> 01:44:29.140
um you know

01:44:29.140 --> 01:44:33.140
I do think that's an interesting that's an interesting line though I mean

01:44:33.140 --> 01:44:37.140
it's one of those things that I found it

01:44:37.140 --> 01:44:41.140
okay Luke hold on before you before you click that yes

01:44:41.140 --> 01:44:45.140
if Colton came to us and said basically

01:44:45.140 --> 01:44:49.140
you know the industry is getting hit super hard

01:44:49.140 --> 01:44:53.140
you know there's no there's no advertising coming in from tech companies

01:44:53.140 --> 01:44:57.140
because they can't sell anything anyway because you know literally

01:44:57.140 --> 01:45:01.140
like they can't get enough RAM

01:45:01.140 --> 01:45:05.140
to sell computers that have RAM in them

01:45:05.140 --> 01:45:09.140
hot take I think that's actually a really good decision for them to do but anyways

01:45:09.140 --> 01:45:13.140
um you know basically

01:45:13.140 --> 01:45:17.140
our revenue is going to be down by 30% we will

01:45:17.140 --> 01:45:21.140
have to let go of you know we have some buffer we're not an irresponsibly run

01:45:21.140 --> 01:45:25.140
company um and we have

01:45:25.140 --> 01:45:29.140
we have done it before and you know to an extent we'll do

01:45:29.140 --> 01:45:33.140
it again where we'll we'll cut profits in order to maintain headcount

01:45:33.140 --> 01:45:37.140
but we're going to lose 10% of our people we're going to lose 10%

01:45:37.140 --> 01:45:41.140
I have a solution we're going to work with

01:45:41.140 --> 01:45:45.140
draft kings or you know whatever and they'll basically pay us a guaranteed

01:45:45.140 --> 01:45:49.140
you know amount over the course of the year um would you rather

01:45:49.140 --> 01:45:53.140
cut 10% of your teams or would you rather take a gambling sponsorship

01:45:53.140 --> 01:45:57.140
and to be clear I'm not saying

01:45:57.140 --> 01:46:01.140
that you can tell he's agitated because chair shaking is doing the leg thing um

01:46:01.140 --> 01:46:05.140
it's a constant state but it ramps up when I'm when I'm agitated

01:46:05.140 --> 01:46:09.140
that's for sure yeah and this is all this is all easy for people to say

01:46:09.140 --> 01:46:13.140
it's it's all easy for people to take a stance on until

01:46:13.140 --> 01:46:17.140
it's someone they know personally right yeah

01:46:17.140 --> 01:46:21.140
uh you know good people good people

01:46:21.140 --> 01:46:25.140
because the reason why I'm saying good people is this is not one

01:46:25.140 --> 01:46:29.140
this is due to global

01:46:29.140 --> 01:46:33.140
market factors this this scenario you're laying out yeah is that it's not

01:46:33.140 --> 01:46:37.140
because of anyone's individual failure no we just have to cut heads

01:46:37.140 --> 01:46:41.140
yep and I mean look this is and this is a hard truth

01:46:41.140 --> 01:46:45.140
the head that we cut won't be mine I'm I'll I can absorb some of it

01:46:45.140 --> 01:46:49.140
but like it's not going to be like oh let's just like

01:46:49.140 --> 01:46:53.140
not have Linus anymore and let's keep everyone else like that's not happening

01:46:53.140 --> 01:46:57.140
I do think there's that like uh how the Nintendo executives

01:46:57.140 --> 01:47:01.140
dealt with Wii U is just like deeply based

01:47:01.140 --> 01:47:05.140
deeply but it also for those who didn't know Nintendo

01:47:05.140 --> 01:47:09.140
like slashed executive pay when the Wii U was a failure like pretty

01:47:09.140 --> 01:47:13.140
hard and they did not touch to my knowledge they did not touch

01:47:13.140 --> 01:47:15.140
I see individual contributor pay

01:47:17.140 --> 01:47:21.140
yeah trying to find this I

01:47:21.140 --> 01:47:25.140
forget the exact details but basically Nintendo was like hyper based when the Wii U

01:47:25.140 --> 01:47:29.140
this is an AI overview thing but this sounds accurate to my memory no I'm going to go find

01:47:29.140 --> 01:47:33.140
a source I don't care I'm trying to be fast because it's on the show

01:47:33.140 --> 01:47:37.140
but you guys are just going to have to wait while you're waiting for him it's funny

01:47:37.140 --> 01:47:41.140
50% layoff for the CEO and 20 to 30% layoffs for

01:47:41.140 --> 01:47:45.140
pay cuts not layoffs sorry yeah

01:47:45.140 --> 01:47:49.140
50% layoff for pay cuts

01:47:49.140 --> 01:47:51.140
oh my god why can't I say this properly

01:47:53.140 --> 01:47:57.140
50% pay cut for Satoru Iwata

01:47:57.140 --> 01:48:01.140
and 20 to 30% reductions for other executives yeah

01:48:01.140 --> 01:48:05.140
super based based that being said you said 30%

01:48:05.140 --> 01:48:07.140
rev down

01:48:11.140 --> 01:48:15.140
I don't think that would solve well no it wouldn't because

01:48:15.140 --> 01:48:19.140
so even if we did that well no that's why I said 30% revenue

01:48:19.140 --> 01:48:23.140
down we would have to take a 10% pay cut because I'm assuming that we will

01:48:23.140 --> 01:48:27.140
absorb some of it oh yeah okay whatever

01:48:27.140 --> 01:48:31.140
but what I'm saying is we can absorb all of it so the choice is

01:48:31.140 --> 01:48:35.140
at 30% rev down I don't think we could even if we wanted to it's what I'm trying to

01:48:35.140 --> 01:48:39.140
oh yeah no we couldn't that's what I'm trying to communicate like it's not viable we could

01:48:39.140 --> 01:48:43.140
for honor's sake pull the and probably would I suspect in this case

01:48:43.140 --> 01:48:47.140
pull the Nintendo move but that would

01:48:47.140 --> 01:48:51.140
not pull us out of we're still screwed

01:48:51.140 --> 01:48:55.140
yeah we still have to do something like you said war chest blah blah blah

01:48:55.140 --> 01:48:59.140
and rev is not something a lot of companies can just like take on the chin and keep going

01:48:59.140 --> 01:49:03.140
this is like catastrophic yes

01:49:03.140 --> 01:49:07.140
yeah yeah like I can I can tell you now

01:49:07.140 --> 01:49:11.140
Linus Media Group Incorporated Floatplane Inc. Creator Warehouse Inc.

01:49:11.140 --> 01:49:15.140
do not have 30% net profit

01:49:15.140 --> 01:49:19.140
yeah so which is fine

01:49:19.140 --> 01:49:23.140
but a fact nonetheless but it is a fact

01:49:23.140 --> 01:49:27.140
and so if it came to that there is no

01:49:27.140 --> 01:49:31.140
well Linus should just make less outcome that is going to be

01:49:31.140 --> 01:49:35.140
acceptable doesn't resolve the problem yeah so

01:49:35.140 --> 01:49:39.140
I mean and look if you you could just say hey look I hope I never have to make this

01:49:39.140 --> 01:49:43.140
choice and I'm not gonna force you to answer the question no I think I have an answer

01:49:43.140 --> 01:49:47.140
my point was just that it's hard it's not black and white that was the

01:49:47.140 --> 01:49:51.140
point but if you think you have an answer I'm interested

01:49:51.140 --> 01:49:55.140
it's tough but I would talk to my teams

01:49:55.140 --> 01:49:59.140
I would just be super real about the situation that we're in and

01:49:59.140 --> 01:50:03.140
I think what I would do is

01:50:05.140 --> 01:50:09.140
yeah I don't know describe the situation describe the problem that we're in

01:50:09.140 --> 01:50:13.140
and maybe even end up oh man

01:50:13.140 --> 01:50:17.140
I would enthusiastically talk about

01:50:17.140 --> 01:50:21.140
the fact that we really don't want to do things like gambling

01:50:21.140 --> 01:50:25.140
sponsorships that it goes against the standards that we've set for

01:50:25.140 --> 01:50:29.140
ourselves yada yada yada yada yada but that there is no

01:50:29.140 --> 01:50:33.140
way that we have been able to find out of this scenario because

01:50:33.140 --> 01:50:37.140
again we're in the confines of this thought experiment yeah

01:50:37.140 --> 01:50:41.140
there is no other route because we're not we're not saying this is

01:50:41.140 --> 01:50:45.140
technical reality we're saying this is the confines of the thought experiment yeah the confines of the thought

01:50:45.140 --> 01:50:49.140
experiment is the only path out is either layoffs

01:50:49.140 --> 01:50:53.140
or ad sales this is not a reality eliminated every other option

01:50:53.140 --> 01:50:57.140
this is not a reality situation so I would talk to the people

01:50:57.140 --> 01:51:01.140
discuss potential solutions that we don't want to do the

01:51:01.140 --> 01:51:05.140
ad thing but if everyone is like hyper desperate and they're like look

01:51:05.140 --> 01:51:09.140
there literally are no jobs I will be homeless if this doesn't happen

01:51:09.140 --> 01:51:13.140
then we discuss as a team what that means for

01:51:13.140 --> 01:51:17.140
the current job market is like decently realistic could be realistic

01:51:17.140 --> 01:51:21.140
and people are talking across the board pay

01:51:21.140 --> 01:51:25.140
reductions okay so that's one of those things

01:51:25.140 --> 01:51:29.140
that's a great idea until it happens to you yeah so we discovered

01:51:29.140 --> 01:51:33.140
something many many years ago when we pretty much

01:51:33.140 --> 01:51:37.140
let me interject real quick if the whole group came to that conclusion

01:51:37.140 --> 01:51:41.140
that's one thing that is one they won't and that would be with

01:51:41.140 --> 01:51:45.140
leaders taking a higher pay cut etc but yeah I don't

01:51:45.140 --> 01:51:49.140
think they necessarily would we discovered years ago that running sweepstakes

01:51:49.140 --> 01:51:53.140
instead of creating one winner creates a million

01:51:53.140 --> 01:51:57.140
losers and it just it generates more negativity than

01:51:57.140 --> 01:52:01.140
any positivity out of it could possibly have been generated

01:52:01.140 --> 01:52:05.140
and in the same way that if we were to cut 10% of the workforce

01:52:05.140 --> 01:52:09.140
we'd be creating 10% low morale

01:52:09.140 --> 01:52:13.140
all people who don't work here anymore and if we cut the entire workforce

01:52:13.140 --> 01:52:17.140
by 10% we'd be generating the entire workforce low morale

01:52:17.140 --> 01:52:21.140
yeah and they would all still work here I think there is great I think there is

01:52:21.140 --> 01:52:25.140
technically a way out with the entire workforce

01:52:25.140 --> 01:52:29.140
reduction thing if the whole team the entire team

01:52:29.140 --> 01:52:33.140
sure rallies behind it and is like okay we will

01:52:33.140 --> 01:52:37.140
restore this if we get to whatever state la la la la la

01:52:37.140 --> 01:52:41.140
then cool I think that's extremely tough

01:52:41.140 --> 01:52:45.140
it's not going to happen already ScrappyDP is taking a stance

01:52:45.140 --> 01:52:49.140
that would be incompatible with us crawling our way out of this

01:52:49.140 --> 01:52:53.140
out of this whole you'll get 10% less work

01:52:53.140 --> 01:52:57.140
yeah I don't know like I said there are specific teams that

01:52:57.140 --> 01:53:01.140
could do this that could rally behind this banner and there are certain

01:53:01.140 --> 01:53:05.140
teams that would be unable to I don't know where we're at

01:53:05.140 --> 01:53:09.140
that's not even part of this conversation matter I can imagine

01:53:09.140 --> 01:53:13.140
companies though I can imagine states of different companies too

01:53:13.140 --> 01:53:17.140
where they would have been in a spot where that would be totally fine

01:53:17.140 --> 01:53:21.140
but I can also imagine companies where

01:53:21.140 --> 01:53:25.140
people would be like well I mean I'd rather leave and then it's like okay cool

01:53:25.140 --> 01:53:29.140
and then you kind of pivot to a position where it's like alright if we know we have to

01:53:29.140 --> 01:53:33.140
do this layoff thing let's do this as like a team and instead of just like blind

01:53:33.140 --> 01:53:37.140
siding people let's try to work with you try you can work here until this time

01:53:37.140 --> 01:53:41.140
let's work with you full time until then to try to help you get a spot things like that

01:53:41.140 --> 01:53:45.140
there are ways out to try to

01:53:45.140 --> 01:53:49.140
lessen the blow in this specific scenario where there is no other way out

01:53:49.140 --> 01:53:53.140
you're not doing it because of individual performance blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

01:53:53.140 --> 01:53:57.140
Crater says pay cuts plus company ownership

01:53:57.140 --> 01:54:01.140
percentage could maybe balance out part of the morale blow yeah

01:54:01.140 --> 01:54:05.140
the issue is that it just doesn't it just doesn't really work that way

01:54:05.140 --> 01:54:09.140
like it's um people ultimately are most impacted

01:54:09.140 --> 01:54:13.140
by the things that most impact them directly and that sounds like a kind of stupid

01:54:13.140 --> 01:54:17.140
unnecessary thing for me to have to say but it's it's the truth

01:54:17.140 --> 01:54:21.140
at the end of the day a whole bunch of people being miserable all at the same time

01:54:21.140 --> 01:54:25.140
in theory you know misery loves company and all of that

01:54:25.140 --> 01:54:29.140
but it doesn't actually make when we say misery loves company

01:54:29.140 --> 01:54:33.140
we don't say that it like makes them happier that everyone's miserable it just

01:54:33.140 --> 01:54:37.140
um is something to talk about

01:54:37.140 --> 01:54:41.140
you know and it can create a death spiral oh yeah I was going to say I always

01:54:41.140 --> 01:54:45.140
interpreted that statement differently I thought misery loves company is because people

01:54:45.140 --> 01:54:49.140
who are miserable will like radiate misery

01:54:49.140 --> 01:54:53.140
around them oh yeah yeah yeah 100% and um

01:54:53.140 --> 01:54:57.140
yeah I don't think we need to go like too much further into this weren't we're not

01:54:57.140 --> 01:55:01.140
the the mighty reptar said people are able to be so idealistic when they can just

01:55:01.140 --> 01:55:05.140
type in chat yeah it's tough I'm trying to like actually think about actually

01:55:05.140 --> 01:55:09.140
being in the scenario and you know emotions are going to end up getting

01:55:09.140 --> 01:55:13.140
really really high people are going to end up getting really really mad yeah

01:55:13.140 --> 01:55:17.140
fingers is going to happen almost immediately and here's the thing like remember the emotional

01:55:17.140 --> 01:55:21.140
response last week when I was talking about the perspective adjustment on RAM pricing

01:55:21.140 --> 01:55:25.140
at the end of the day most of the things we buy in a given year are not

01:55:25.140 --> 01:55:29.140
RAM and don't have RAM in them yeah um but this was

01:55:29.140 --> 01:55:33.140
something that you know especially if okay let's say

01:55:33.140 --> 01:55:37.140
because it's all about like like me right now how does this

01:55:37.140 --> 01:55:41.140
impact me for most people and that's human I'm not blaming anybody for that

01:55:41.140 --> 01:55:45.140
but if you are the person who has been saving up for two years

01:55:45.140 --> 01:55:49.140
to finally buy a gaming PC or a steam deck

01:55:49.140 --> 01:55:53.140
or whatever it is and you've just been you've had it

01:55:53.140 --> 01:55:57.140
yanked away from you it's like yeah grand scheme of things

01:55:57.140 --> 01:56:01.140
most things only have RAM as part of their cost

01:56:01.140 --> 01:56:05.140
so even if RAM goes up double or triple that didn't double or triple the overall

01:56:05.140 --> 01:56:09.140
price of the thing like like you know on numbers on a spreadsheet in a

01:56:09.140 --> 01:56:13.140
live chat you know it's it's not that impact for that person

01:56:13.140 --> 01:56:17.140
it's the difference between they can buy that thing that

01:56:17.140 --> 01:56:21.140
they've been dreaming of for two years and now they cannot

01:56:21.140 --> 01:56:25.140
and for some people a 10% pay cut could be the difference

01:56:25.140 --> 01:56:29.140
between surviving and not and so

01:56:29.140 --> 01:56:33.140
it's easy to say like oh yeah the team should just all agree

01:56:33.140 --> 01:56:37.140
on a 10% pay cut to weather the storm and not take you know gambling ads or whatever

01:56:37.140 --> 01:56:41.140
but I wouldn't even it's not like I wouldn't understand

01:56:41.140 --> 01:56:45.140
that one person who goes I cannot do that yeah totally reasonable

01:56:45.140 --> 01:56:49.140
but but Lea Kay in full playing chat said a while back

01:56:49.140 --> 01:56:53.140
my my company offered a 5% pay cut as an alternative to

01:56:53.140 --> 01:56:57.140
redundancy layoffs and it worked and then there's other people in here saying

01:56:57.140 --> 01:57:01.140
that morale at their company has been ruined because of a layoff that happened

01:57:01.140 --> 01:57:05.140
due to decreased revenue like there is this is a

01:57:05.140 --> 01:57:09.140
no actual good answer scenario there are a lot of those scenarios

01:57:09.140 --> 01:57:13.140
in life and realistically someone

01:57:13.140 --> 01:57:17.140
is going to be like possibly full on

01:57:17.140 --> 01:57:21.140
crash out level livid any answer that you come up with

01:57:21.140 --> 01:57:25.140
and you just have to try to work with people to do the best thing you can

01:57:25.140 --> 01:57:29.140
and that Sky PDP said it will depend on the organization totally

01:57:29.140 --> 01:57:33.140
it's going to depend on the group of people it's going to depend on how that group of people can band together to move past this

01:57:33.140 --> 01:57:37.140
it's going to depend on if that group of people even wants to that might be

01:57:37.140 --> 01:57:41.140
the core problem in the first place if we're being completely honest

01:57:41.140 --> 01:57:45.140
there's so many variables so many different things

01:57:45.140 --> 01:57:49.140
and it's a no win scenario

01:57:49.140 --> 01:57:53.140
hopefully reduced loss scenario

01:57:53.140 --> 01:57:57.140
are you saying a 10% pay cut could bankrupt your employees I don't know possibly

01:57:57.140 --> 01:58:01.140
I don't manage their finances no matter how much money you're making

01:58:01.140 --> 01:58:05.140
this is exactly what I'm going to say if you look up income

01:58:05.140 --> 01:58:09.140
and how much people are living paycheck to paycheck it almost doesn't matter people's expenses

01:58:09.140 --> 01:58:13.140
often will just track their income so at the time we bought

01:58:13.140 --> 01:58:17.140
this office we were I think our revenues were

01:58:17.140 --> 01:58:21.140
over a million dollars a year right

01:58:21.140 --> 01:58:25.140
but just because we had that much revenue

01:58:25.140 --> 01:58:29.140
if we had had a significant reduction

01:58:29.140 --> 01:58:33.140
in our revenue and we were still bringing in

01:58:33.140 --> 01:58:37.140
$700,000 a year or whatever that's still a lot of money

01:58:37.140 --> 01:58:41.140
but yeah that could have forced us into bankruptcy because we had so many bills

01:58:41.140 --> 01:58:45.140
dude Darimp

01:58:45.140 --> 01:58:49.140
said I'd happily take a 20% cut to go down to a 4 day work week one of the problems

01:58:49.140 --> 01:58:53.140
of this scenario is how are we going to fight our way back to

01:58:53.140 --> 01:58:57.140
competitiveness you got to be kidding me that doesn't work

01:58:57.140 --> 01:59:01.140
at that point they might as well just lay off yeah and so like buddy who's like you're going to get 10% less

01:59:01.140 --> 01:59:05.140
work it's like okay great so now well we're f***ed then because

01:59:05.140 --> 01:59:09.140
we're already struggling to compete because at the end of the day

01:59:09.140 --> 01:59:13.140
it is competition right like I do genuinely believe that

01:59:13.140 --> 01:59:17.140
my fellow tech YouTubers I don't see them as bitter rival competitors

01:59:17.140 --> 01:59:21.140
because I do think that a rising tide lifts all ships but in the grand

01:59:21.140 --> 01:59:25.140
scheme of things the much bigger picture your ship has to be floating

01:59:25.140 --> 01:59:29.140
to go up at the time your eyeballs have a limited amount of

01:59:29.140 --> 01:59:33.140
stuff they can look at every day so we do compete

01:59:33.140 --> 01:59:37.140
with the Super Bowl we compete with

01:59:37.140 --> 01:59:41.140
that you know romantic kindle that is

01:59:41.140 --> 01:59:45.140
waiting on your kindle we do we

01:59:47.140 --> 01:59:51.140
we compete with your family you know we compete with functionally

01:59:51.140 --> 01:59:55.140
every single thing that you do for you wanting to

01:59:55.140 --> 01:59:59.140
hang with us on a Friday and do WAN Show instead of

01:59:59.140 --> 02:00:03.140
boxing day shopping or doing whatever else it is that you might want to be doing today right

02:00:03.140 --> 02:00:07.140
yeah and so if we are failing to

02:00:07.140 --> 02:00:11.140
meet target and failing to meet payroll

02:00:11.140 --> 02:00:15.140
people you know cutting their output by 10% sure as f**k isn't going to fix it

02:00:15.140 --> 02:00:19.140
like very unlikely

02:00:19.140 --> 02:00:23.140
we could probably find some efficiency gains in this case as well if this person

02:00:23.140 --> 02:00:27.140
doesn't have any ownership stake and just doesn't really care about the company they're at or whatever

02:00:27.140 --> 02:00:31.140
totally fair yeah get it

02:00:31.140 --> 02:00:35.140
we're not trying to say it's necessarily unreasonable but it's also not going to write the ship

02:00:35.140 --> 02:00:39.140
that and there's a

02:00:39.140 --> 02:00:43.140
these are uncomfortable conversations because there's no win right and

02:00:43.140 --> 02:00:47.140
much like the where's your line with piracy conversation that we had earlier

02:00:47.140 --> 02:00:51.140
everyone's going to have a different line of what's okay here which is why

02:00:51.140 --> 02:00:55.140
line was don't reduce my pay ever in any circumstance ever I will go somewhere else or reduce

02:00:55.140 --> 02:00:59.140
my output and that's fine and someone else is going to have a different line and if your

02:00:59.140 --> 02:01:03.140
team has a wild variety of different lines they will

02:01:03.140 --> 02:01:07.140
this is going to be tough I don't think it's a guarantee that they will I think

02:01:07.140 --> 02:01:11.140
there are teams out there usually smaller teams but I think there are teams out there

02:01:11.140 --> 02:01:15.140
that are that's the one that are somewhat in line with how

02:01:15.140 --> 02:01:19.140
they think and approach things all right time to speaking of teams

02:01:19.140 --> 02:01:23.140
let's talk about the flow plane team we're going to do an early release

02:01:23.140 --> 02:01:27.140
of a very special LTT video and we're going to do it

02:01:27.140 --> 02:01:31.140
right now okay hold on

02:01:31.140 --> 02:01:35.140
what's the special LTT video hold on I'm trying to find the stupid CMS button

02:01:35.140 --> 02:01:39.140
there it is excuse me

02:01:39.140 --> 02:01:41.140
um

02:01:45.140 --> 02:01:49.140
okay I don't actually see it

02:01:49.140 --> 02:01:53.140
I think it's supposed to be oh wow there's a bunch of videos here

02:01:53.140 --> 02:01:57.140
control F for Kindle oh hey there it is

02:01:57.140 --> 02:02:01.140
my son wanted a Kindle so I made him test them all

02:02:01.140 --> 02:02:05.140
this is it folks this is the future

02:02:05.140 --> 02:02:09.140
potentially it's up

02:02:09.140 --> 02:02:13.140
it's posted I'm very

02:02:13.140 --> 02:02:17.140
I'm excited to watch this I'm very interested what people think the very first

02:02:17.140 --> 02:02:21.140
video not just hosted because he's been on camera

02:02:21.140 --> 02:02:25.140
before but actually written by Linus

02:02:25.140 --> 02:02:29.140
jr and I gotta say the link in the

02:02:29.140 --> 02:02:33.140
dock was directly to the video why did you even look for it

02:02:35.140 --> 02:02:39.140
look you're talking to the same guy that managed to accidentally filter gmail

02:02:39.140 --> 02:02:43.140
addresses from his email so Dell partner laptop

02:02:43.140 --> 02:02:45.140
that kind of show yeah

02:02:47.140 --> 02:02:51.140
did you leak anything by going through all those posts by the way no I don't think so okay

02:02:51.140 --> 02:02:55.140
that's cool I mean they're just videos that are coming by but yeah

02:02:55.140 --> 02:02:59.140
yeah what doesn't matter

02:02:59.140 --> 02:03:03.140
yeah I don't know I don't know what's coming down the pipeline maybe there's

02:03:03.140 --> 02:03:07.140
embargo things maybe there isn't no no there's nothing embargo okay cool yeah should be fine

02:03:07.140 --> 02:03:11.140
nice good to know but yeah dude

02:03:11.140 --> 02:03:15.140
so cool

02:03:15.140 --> 02:03:19.140
he he told me he was you know he's

02:03:19.140 --> 02:03:23.140
become more interested in the family business over time

02:03:23.140 --> 02:03:27.140
and and he told me he wanted to host a video

02:03:27.140 --> 02:03:31.140
because he had a lot of fun doing the I'll buy my son any gaming

02:03:31.140 --> 02:03:35.140
PC which was or any gaming handheld for his birthday one and

02:03:35.140 --> 02:03:39.140
that was I think his first time being on camera solo when he did like the interview

02:03:39.140 --> 02:03:43.140
portions of it and he was interested in it I basically went well look

02:03:43.140 --> 02:03:47.140
I'm not gonna just like nepotism

02:03:47.140 --> 02:03:51.140
you you don't just get to like run this company doesn't work

02:03:51.140 --> 02:03:55.140
like that the audience won't accept it the team won't accept it I won't accept

02:03:55.140 --> 02:03:59.140
it it doesn't work like I'll nepotism a shot but I will give him a shot

02:03:59.140 --> 02:04:03.140
exactly seems very reasonable to me and I basically said okay

02:04:03.140 --> 02:04:07.140
well I'll tell you what then no you can't just

02:04:07.140 --> 02:04:11.140
host a video because that's the easiest possible layup

02:04:11.140 --> 02:04:15.140
that I could give you we're not gonna do that but what you

02:04:15.140 --> 02:04:19.140
can do is if you will if you'll write it if

02:04:19.140 --> 02:04:23.140
you'll go through the process and I gotta give some credit to Mr. Nicholas

02:04:23.140 --> 02:04:27.140
Ploof for being kind of a mentor coach for Randy

02:04:27.140 --> 02:04:29.140
during this period

02:04:31.140 --> 02:04:35.140
you'll go through the process and your assignment will be the least

02:04:35.140 --> 02:04:39.140
glamorous thing that I can possibly think of

02:04:39.140 --> 02:04:43.140
you will make a video on the new Kindle

02:04:45.140 --> 02:04:49.140
and and and it wasn't just make that work it's a good

02:04:49.140 --> 02:04:53.140
it's a really good sign and it wasn't just it wasn't just that I was choosing

02:04:53.140 --> 02:04:57.140
like the most you know boring thing that I possibly could it was also something

02:04:57.140 --> 02:05:01.140
that I know that he has personal experience with he reads a lot

02:05:01.140 --> 02:05:05.140
and he reads physical books he reads on his

02:05:05.140 --> 02:05:09.140
phone using the Kindle app and he reads on a Kindle

02:05:09.140 --> 02:05:13.140
and so I was like okay well here's the new color soft here's a current

02:05:13.140 --> 02:05:17.140
gen paper white here's both of our old

02:05:17.140 --> 02:05:21.140
we have an old paper white and we have an old before it was paper white just like Kindle

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the same one I did a video on like 10 years ago I want I will

02:05:25.140 --> 02:05:29.140
lay out I should find the doc because I basically lay it out okay like

02:05:29.140 --> 02:05:33.140
you know what is good about it what is bad about it what do other people like what do I

02:05:33.140 --> 02:05:37.140
like what do other people not like what do I not like and I kind of laid out all the

02:05:37.140 --> 02:05:41.140
questions kind of like a school assignment and I kind of went if you answer

02:05:41.140 --> 02:05:45.140
all of these questions plus

02:05:45.140 --> 02:05:49.140
contribute any little insights that might spring into your mind as you go

02:05:49.140 --> 02:05:53.140
I think you will have enough bones for a good video that

02:05:53.140 --> 02:05:57.140
our talented writing team and I can help you get this over the line to a

02:05:57.140 --> 02:06:01.140
standard of quality that will be acceptable for LTT and he

02:06:01.140 --> 02:06:05.140
did a really good job

02:06:07.140 --> 02:06:11.140
nice like really good I'm genuinely excited to watch I'm going to spoil

02:06:11.140 --> 02:06:15.140
the best line in the video don't do that no I'm going to spoil it because I think no I think

02:06:15.140 --> 02:06:19.140
because that's how that's how previews work that's how modern media

02:06:19.140 --> 02:06:23.140
just tell people the best part but I asked him

02:06:23.140 --> 02:06:27.140
this as I was reviewing the script I went is this your line or was

02:06:27.140 --> 02:06:31.140
this like something ploof added and he goes no no

02:06:31.140 --> 02:06:35.140
yeah that was me and I asked ploof to I was like was this you he's like no

02:06:35.140 --> 02:06:39.140
I don't think so I didn't actually change that much and I went oh okay interesting

02:06:39.140 --> 02:06:43.140
and so in the conclusion he's talking about how the color soft is is pretty

02:06:43.140 --> 02:06:47.140
expensive and you know the colors aren't that vibrant

02:06:47.140 --> 02:06:51.140
but on the other hand going back to this

02:06:51.140 --> 02:06:55.140
you know holding up the black and white one for you know comics and

02:06:55.140 --> 02:06:59.140
manga and like like color media feels like

02:06:59.140 --> 02:07:03.140
watching a fireworks display on a black and white TV

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I was like

02:07:06.140 --> 02:07:08.140
that's really good

02:07:09.140 --> 02:07:13.140
that's a that's a good line right yeah why would even know

02:07:13.140 --> 02:07:17.140
I would even think about black and white TVs and the fireworks display

02:07:17.140 --> 02:07:21.140
the fireworks yeah why fireworks great line

02:07:21.140 --> 02:07:25.140
it's a great line what the heck right

02:07:25.140 --> 02:07:29.140
right huh and he doesn't seem like the type of person to just

02:07:29.140 --> 02:07:33.140
LLM it oh no so that's actually just his line

02:07:33.140 --> 02:07:37.140
I weird yeah cool but also

02:07:37.140 --> 02:07:41.140
strange that is such a succinct way

02:07:41.140 --> 02:07:45.140
it's great yeah it's like yeah you know it's not the most

02:07:45.140 --> 02:07:49.140
vibrant color but going back to this is like it's a

02:07:49.140 --> 02:07:53.140
generational gap in experience right writer dunked on by you

02:07:53.140 --> 02:07:57.140
and now I'm going to get writer dunked on by your son that's so annoying

02:07:57.140 --> 02:07:59.140
hahaha

02:08:01.140 --> 02:08:05.140
smart kid and

02:08:05.140 --> 02:08:09.140
anyway he did a really great job the hosting was pretty tough but

02:08:09.140 --> 02:08:13.140
what's fun about the hosting was I realized

02:08:13.140 --> 02:08:17.140
very early on in the coaching that I was doing with him that

02:08:17.140 --> 02:08:21.140
right I've been meaning to do this because I'll do little

02:08:21.140 --> 02:08:25.140
host coaching clinics once in a while we actually uploaded one of them that I did with

02:08:25.140 --> 02:08:29.140
tap and Ryan Schraut back when they were here for the Intel arc

02:08:29.140 --> 02:08:33.140
not an internal one but those guys yeah yeah and people

02:08:33.140 --> 02:08:37.140
responded really positively to like Linus hosting tips

02:08:37.140 --> 02:08:41.140
and so we're doing I asked our camera

02:08:41.140 --> 02:08:45.140
operator I think it was Andrew I asked him to roll the whole time

02:08:45.140 --> 02:08:49.140
and then I gave it over to Sammy to do a Floatplane exclusive

02:08:49.140 --> 02:08:53.140
of me basically coaching my son on how to

02:08:53.140 --> 02:08:57.140
host a video because he had no idea what he was doing Sammy said that extra will be up on Monday

02:08:57.140 --> 02:09:01.140
on full plane that's cool yep

02:09:01.140 --> 02:09:05.140
and it's funny because I don't realize how many little things

02:09:05.140 --> 02:09:09.140
there are until I watch someone try to do it and I'm just like

02:09:09.140 --> 02:09:13.140
okay hold on a second your emphasis words you're picking the wrong emphasis words

02:09:13.140 --> 02:09:17.140
here's how you choose an emphasis word and

02:09:17.140 --> 02:09:21.140
there's you know it's obviously still his first time but from the beginning of the

02:09:21.140 --> 02:09:25.140
video to the end of the video there was like a market change

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so if you're looking to improve your on-camera presentation skills

02:09:29.140 --> 02:09:33.140
or even in person presentation skills maybe check out strongly recommend it

02:09:33.140 --> 02:09:37.140
that's going to be an extra over on Floatplane so Sammy says on Monday

02:09:37.140 --> 02:09:41.140
that's cool just which is pretty and cool which pretty cool

02:09:41.140 --> 02:09:45.140
okay while we're over on Floatplane check out Luke week two yeah

02:09:45.140 --> 02:09:49.140
where we had three exclusive centering around two week

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I don't know

02:09:53.140 --> 02:09:57.140
does it say that yeah that's what it says in there okay well there's a

02:09:57.140 --> 02:10:01.140
Q&A video there's a 36 minute Q&A video there's

02:10:01.140 --> 02:10:05.140
a one hour long effectively podcast with Riley where we talk about

02:10:05.140 --> 02:10:09.140
AI stuff cool and then there is the the gaming

02:10:09.140 --> 02:10:13.140
video how a new studio made the multiplayer game

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of the year okay cool so you guys can check that out lots of Luke exclusives

02:10:17.140 --> 02:10:19.140
and then what else we got

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oh or maybe you want some more insights from this week's releases you can check out our closer look series

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where Alfred our film production manager and Jordan go over the new ShortCircuit

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with a set with facts that didn't make the final cut and some cut footage

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from Mitchell's AMD upgrade all this and our entire back catalog at LMG.gd.fp

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when I didn't watch them too much because it's Christmas week but you can get extras

02:10:41.140 --> 02:10:45.140
there for when you do watch them heck yeah there you go

02:10:45.140 --> 02:10:49.140
heck yeah views have been pretty slow this week yeah um but the last month

02:10:49.140 --> 02:10:53.140
we've actually been like pretty good pretty like solid like like

02:10:53.140 --> 02:10:57.140
we're back baby yeah but it's so volatile now it's crazy

02:10:57.140 --> 02:11:01.140
it's also crazy that I saw what was happening this week and was like that's

02:11:01.140 --> 02:11:05.140
probably fine yeah because that is not the reaction that would have happened before

02:11:05.140 --> 02:11:09.140
yeah which I don't know maybe that's healthy I don't necessarily think so

02:11:09.140 --> 02:11:13.140
though I don't know because you can't tell how rocky the ship is anymore

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yeah which is like not good man YouTube

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I mean as a little boy it was always clothes for me

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they were the worst oh I love getting socks well I know so I didn't

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no I didn't say socks I say socks okay just like my sock enjoyer too

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I don't know just like random sweatpants and shirts especially

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when it was nice clothes because I never wore nice clothes like people would try to give

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me like Sunday best they try to change your preferences based on

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gifts that's not a fun one and then I'm just like nope

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I feel like mine have always been pretty good

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I forget what it is my family's like pretty sick when it comes to presents I suspect the

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worst thing I've ever received has been like a book I already had

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like I am sorry I'm not a good target for this yeah

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I'd say like I probably notice it more

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like for my kids like we had a family function this year where

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a lot of care and attention went into certain

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individuals that were of the same relationship

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sort of tree to people

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that were not made for my kids and I don't think my kids noticed

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but I did that's cool that you didn't notice that's not very cool

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yeah but I'd say

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yeah I'd say that was more

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yeah it's not really like me at that point no I think

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the gifts that try to change you are probably the big one

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I got a wrench in a tackle box one year I was nine

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which you know for some nine-year-olds might

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have been sick might not have been in this case

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I guess I remember creating a Christmas list

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that was basically five video games that I wanted and then explicitly

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not receiving any video games

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from my parents who

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didn't like me playing video games and I was like right but like

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it would have been less irritating if they weren't so

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proud of the great choice they made and wanted me to be really excited

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about it when I was like we got you a new petticoat

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I want a gull of duty what I really wanted was Warcraft 2

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I've definitely been I think this is a fairly standard in my household

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so I don't think I'm going off the wall here but normally Christmas lists

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are a highly respected

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fallback almost unless you say otherwise

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if you're like I really want this thing but Christmas list is usually like

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oh you didn't naturally without really much effort

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find anything therefore you can come to this list so if you go off the list it's like totally chill

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and off the list is fine as long as it isn't passive aggressively trying

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to change you totally it's a big part of that point

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yeah yeah yeah for sure which I don't think I've ever received one of those

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it's fine it's fine it means that my sister has a baby

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it is what it is but I definitely

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found food

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that has been down there long enough to decompose a little but not long enough

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to be mummified which is what it is

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I've had babies too and when I had babies

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there were bits of food everywhere in my house too it's okay

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it's okay

02:19:03.140 --> 02:19:07.140
like soon alright

02:19:07.140 --> 02:19:11.140
we already did this topic I understand we did almost none of the topics

02:19:11.140 --> 02:19:15.140
yeah how that happened how does this always happen

02:19:15.140 --> 02:19:19.140
I'm effectively almost out of time how does it happen Luke

02:19:19.140 --> 02:19:21.140
to be fair I have seen zero complaints

02:19:23.140 --> 02:19:25.140
sometimes it just do be how the show work

02:19:27.140 --> 02:19:31.140
is anyone watching it though does anyone like the WAN Show

02:19:31.140 --> 02:19:35.140
huh we should just not have topics then

02:19:35.140 --> 02:19:39.140
yeah no one cares I think I can tell you guys to shut up

02:19:39.140 --> 02:19:43.140
and move on more if you want

02:19:43.140 --> 02:19:47.140
that's the opposite yeah Dan

02:19:47.140 --> 02:19:51.140
don't even suggest it we did it

02:19:51.140 --> 02:19:55.140
you did you know what I

02:19:55.140 --> 02:19:59.140
I got you I tracked

02:19:59.140 --> 02:20:03.140
how about you shut up and move on how about you shut up and move on

02:20:03.140 --> 02:20:07.140
I can't even merge messages okay what do we

02:20:07.140 --> 02:20:11.140
what do we want to do topics I guess

02:20:11.140 --> 02:20:15.140
well no here okay how about this how about this Dan

02:20:15.140 --> 02:20:19.140
do you have any curated merge messages that are specifically

02:20:19.140 --> 02:20:23.140
for Luke I have one if I remember correctly

02:20:23.140 --> 02:20:27.140
let's do that real quick Styles okay

02:20:27.140 --> 02:20:31.140
I need to quickly well you do that I'm going to talk

02:20:31.140 --> 02:20:35.140
about the North Korean infiltrator who was caught working in Amazon's IT

02:20:35.140 --> 02:20:39.140
department thanks to keystroke delay oh yeah

02:20:39.140 --> 02:20:43.140
Amazon says they caught a fake US based IT hire

02:20:43.140 --> 02:20:47.140
after noticing unusual keystroke lag on the employees work laptop

02:20:47.140 --> 02:20:51.140
which suggested the person wasn't actually working from the United States

02:20:51.140 --> 02:20:55.140
after investigating the company concluded the worker was based in North Korea

02:20:55.140 --> 02:20:59.140
and attempting to funnel money back to the regime through remote

02:20:59.140 --> 02:21:03.140
work according to Amazon's security chief the delay tipped them off

02:21:03.140 --> 02:21:07.140
that the laptop was being remotely controlled from overseas the company shut down the

02:21:07.140 --> 02:21:11.140
account after a few days and says it has blocked thousands of similar attempts in

02:21:11.140 --> 02:21:15.140
recent years often involving North Korean workers applying through US based

02:21:15.140 --> 02:21:19.140
contractors as proxies yep the discussion question

02:21:19.140 --> 02:21:23.140
is as remote work becomes more common how should companies balance trust

02:21:23.140 --> 02:21:27.140
privacy and security when monitoring employees what a great discussion question

02:21:27.140 --> 02:21:31.140
Dan go ahead and hit Luke with that merge message sure

02:21:31.140 --> 02:21:35.140
hi pirates DLL love the show my co-founder

02:21:35.140 --> 02:21:39.140
is about to become a dad Luke how did you

02:21:39.140 --> 02:21:43.140
handle Linus becoming a father with the toughest part and Linus

02:21:43.140 --> 02:21:47.140
what about people pirating your content

02:21:47.140 --> 02:21:51.140
yeah I don't know uh I don't I don't actually

02:21:51.140 --> 02:21:55.140
know necessarily what the first part of that question means like it's not what

02:21:55.140 --> 02:21:59.140
I think they assume that you are working together more closely and Linus

02:21:59.140 --> 02:22:03.140
became a dad and you know yeah I guess we didn't know each other that

02:22:03.140 --> 02:22:07.140
well like he hadn't moved in yet but uh me having

02:22:07.140 --> 02:22:11.140
a kid definitely impacted Luke more than most colleagues would I mean

02:22:11.140 --> 02:22:15.140
yeah Randy crying at night literally so loud literally

02:22:15.140 --> 02:22:19.140
kept Luke away so he was

02:22:19.140 --> 02:22:23.140
he was a difficult baby he's making it up to us now because he's

02:22:23.140 --> 02:22:27.140
a great loud speaker

02:22:27.140 --> 02:22:31.140
food powered loud speaker um I don't know dude

02:22:31.140 --> 02:22:35.140
uh there's a certain amount of things where it's just like

02:22:35.140 --> 02:22:39.140
was I gonna stop working with him over that no therefore

02:22:39.140 --> 02:22:43.140
is there really much left to think about I don't know

02:22:43.140 --> 02:22:47.140
and I'm not trying to be you know offensive to the to the person

02:22:47.140 --> 02:22:51.140
asking the question I just someone said why would Luke be affected

02:22:51.140 --> 02:22:55.140
I mean I technically was but like uh

02:22:55.140 --> 02:22:59.140
was it a bad way

02:22:59.140 --> 02:23:03.140
like this is something that Linus wanted he still worked hard

02:23:03.140 --> 02:23:07.140
and a lot I don't know

02:23:07.140 --> 02:23:11.140
there's there's people in around you will make decisions

02:23:11.140 --> 02:23:15.140
and do things in their lives that indirectly affect you to a certain

02:23:15.140 --> 02:23:19.140
degree and you just have to not care for the most part

02:23:19.140 --> 02:23:23.140
like it's or like find the good or decide

02:23:23.140 --> 02:23:27.140
if this thing that they have done is too far for you and then just detach

02:23:27.140 --> 02:23:31.140
Luke with the controversial live and let live take over yeah to be honest

02:23:31.140 --> 02:23:35.140
I can't believe how controversial that has become

02:23:35.140 --> 02:23:39.140
I guess live and let live is totally a thing and the world could use a little

02:23:39.140 --> 02:23:43.140
bit more of it and like yeah his room shared a wall with mine and he cried a lot

02:23:43.140 --> 02:23:47.140
and was really loud I also got really cheap rent and great food for free

02:23:47.140 --> 02:23:51.140
it was technically wasn't there yeah there was technically

02:23:51.140 --> 02:23:55.140
rent technically it like didn't cover the food let alone

02:23:55.140 --> 02:23:59.140
it didn't make any sense if I were to use 200 bucks a month and I got

02:23:59.140 --> 02:24:03.140
free food every meal insane and it was cooked

02:24:03.140 --> 02:24:07.140
by someone else I didn't even have to cook it his salary also wasn't much at that time

02:24:07.140 --> 02:24:11.140
because we just like did not have any money at that time yeah so

02:24:11.140 --> 02:24:15.140
you know but like but I also strapped in knowing that no idea

02:24:15.140 --> 02:24:19.140
how much of that was legal right oh not all of it

02:24:19.140 --> 02:24:23.140
definitely not all of it I think we were paying monthly at that time too

02:24:23.140 --> 02:24:27.140
I think so instead of bi-weekly I don't know yeah I mean again another thing

02:24:27.140 --> 02:24:31.140
where it's just like I can make a big deal over this or

02:24:31.140 --> 02:24:35.140
or I cannot which is an option

02:24:35.140 --> 02:24:39.140
yeah I don't know it is possible so yeah it affected me I got slightly

02:24:39.140 --> 02:24:43.140
worse sleep but I mean that's a constant throughout my entire

02:24:43.140 --> 02:24:47.140
life but he still got his decent computer on a regular cadence I did

02:24:47.140 --> 02:24:51.140
I did computer was good so that deal is still you know it's still alive

02:24:51.140 --> 02:24:55.140
yeah hey speaking of

02:24:55.140 --> 02:24:59.140
deal still being alive and the deal may be changing

02:24:59.140 --> 02:25:03.140
this is probably the last major topic that Luke needs to be here for but

02:25:03.140 --> 02:25:07.140
oh right how does Linus react to people pirating I think I remember the first time

02:25:07.140 --> 02:25:11.140
there was a torrent of scrapyard wars being pretty amused also there

02:25:11.140 --> 02:25:15.140
was some really annoying stuff at the beginning yeah there was some very

02:25:15.140 --> 02:25:19.140
trying to start a new incredibly small

02:25:19.140 --> 02:25:23.140
startup company thing and there was multiple attempts to just rip the whole

02:25:23.140 --> 02:25:27.140
thing off over and over and over again it was very frustrating

02:25:27.140 --> 02:25:31.140
so yeah I think it was a combination of feeling like we've made it

02:25:31.140 --> 02:25:35.140
because we're important enough for people to pirate but also

02:25:35.140 --> 02:25:39.140
being like yeah you know we're not like a giant media conglomerate really hard

02:25:39.140 --> 02:25:43.140
like pay developers and stuff like we're sick just didn't do this yeah yeah so

02:25:43.140 --> 02:25:47.140
both yeah okay so this is it

02:25:47.140 --> 02:25:51.140
this is the last when show in its current

02:25:51.140 --> 02:25:55.140
form oh really I have to

02:25:55.140 --> 02:25:59.140
leave now I thought you had to go in like 20 minutes and no like five

02:25:59.140 --> 02:26:03.140
oh awkward really

02:26:03.140 --> 02:26:07.140
sorry I thought I said the week after next week I meant

02:26:07.140 --> 02:26:11.140
next week from now we'll talk about it next week

02:26:11.140 --> 02:26:15.140
are you kidding me you just dated that no no we'll talk about it next week

02:26:15.140 --> 02:26:19.140
browser extensions oh my god

02:26:19.140 --> 02:26:23.140
find boom.me everything's gonna be fine

02:26:23.140 --> 02:26:27.140
everything's gonna be fine browser extensions

02:26:27.140 --> 02:26:31.140
we will miss you guys stop everything's gonna be fine

02:26:31.140 --> 02:26:35.140
everything's gonna be fine it's been a good run

02:26:35.140 --> 02:26:39.140
browser extensions are selling your conversations for advertising purposes

02:26:39.140 --> 02:26:43.140
several popular several popular

02:26:43.140 --> 02:26:47.140
browser extensions with more than 8 million total users

02:26:47.140 --> 02:26:51.140
have been caught collecting and selling full AI chat conversations

02:26:51.140 --> 02:26:55.140
according to security researchers at COI the biggest offenders

02:26:55.140 --> 02:26:59.140
include urban VPN proxy one click VPN proxy

02:26:59.140 --> 02:27:03.140
urban browser guard and urban ad blocker available on both the Chrome Web Store

02:27:03.140 --> 02:27:07.140
and Microsoft Edge add-ons together these extensions intercept

02:27:07.140 --> 02:27:11.140
conversations with chatbots even when VPN or ad blocking

02:27:11.140 --> 02:27:15.140
features are disabled despite advertising

02:27:15.140 --> 02:27:19.140
privacy and AI protections the extensions inject scripts

02:27:19.140 --> 02:27:23.140
that copy entire conversations and send them to servers that are tied to the developers

02:27:23.140 --> 02:27:27.140
where the data is used for marketing analytics the only way to stop the collection is to disable

02:27:27.140 --> 02:27:31.140
or uninstall the extensions entirely several of them were even marked as featured

02:27:31.140 --> 02:27:35.140
by Google and Microsoft raising questions about extension store oversight

02:27:35.140 --> 02:27:39.140
wow that's pretty rough

02:27:39.140 --> 02:27:43.140
did you do it on purpose no

02:27:43.140 --> 02:27:47.140
I thought we had like 20 minutes I asked you for a hard out

02:27:47.140 --> 02:27:51.140
and you said soon yeah

02:27:51.140 --> 02:27:55.140
that means like 8 to 12 months

02:27:55.140 --> 02:27:59.140
working here I'm currently messaging to make sure

02:27:59.140 --> 02:28:03.140
but like the original hard out was 1145 which is in 3 minutes now

02:28:03.140 --> 02:28:07.140
Google has closed compatibility for the Sega Dreamcast's

02:28:07.140 --> 02:28:11.140
25 year old web browser killing it

02:28:11.140 --> 02:28:15.140
4 people cried out in terror

02:28:15.140 --> 02:28:19.140
and then were silenced what I can't figure out is how they killed it

02:28:19.140 --> 02:28:23.140
what did they do, what changed I've looked up like a couple different articles on this

02:28:23.140 --> 02:28:27.140
I haven't done enough research but like

02:28:27.140 --> 02:28:31.140
what did Google do what caused this to happen

02:28:31.140 --> 02:28:35.140
Big G's services no longer respond but that doesn't mean that they killed the web browser

02:28:37.140 --> 02:28:41.140
I mean probably killed it a little

02:28:41.140 --> 02:28:45.140
yeah probably killed it a little there are still apparently fan supported search engine

02:28:45.140 --> 02:28:49.140
and game servers that do work on the Dreamcast which is pretty crazy

02:28:49.140 --> 02:28:53.140
our discussion question here is do you think it's important for modern web companies to maintain compatibility

02:28:53.140 --> 02:28:57.140
with like quarter century old devices what is an appropriate length of support

02:28:57.140 --> 02:29:01.140
about this right I don't think that either Luke or I

02:29:01.140 --> 02:29:05.140
is in the camp that whether it's a game developer or whether it's a

02:29:05.140 --> 02:29:09.140
service provider that you're obligated to support

02:29:09.140 --> 02:29:13.140
stuff forever that doesn't have an ongoing forever payment

02:29:13.140 --> 02:29:17.140
we just the part that we disagree

02:29:17.140 --> 02:29:21.140
about with the current way that the industry does things is that we think there should be

02:29:21.140 --> 02:29:25.140
a path to users maintaining it themselves if it's so

02:29:25.140 --> 02:29:29.140
important to them and this mostly applies I think to

02:29:29.140 --> 02:29:33.140
game servers for instance if there's a way for it to go self-hosted or to hand over the code

02:29:33.140 --> 02:29:37.140
to the community to continue to run it then we're totally fine with them saying hey yeah this is

02:29:37.140 --> 02:29:41.140
not financially viable anymore because businesses gotta

02:29:41.140 --> 02:29:45.140
survive um

02:29:45.140 --> 02:29:49.140
what what oh nothing

02:29:49.140 --> 02:29:53.140
you look like you're making a face so yeah downer but also I totally

02:29:53.140 --> 02:29:57.140
get it I don't think that I would fire up a dream cast tomorrow with the expectation that the web

02:29:57.140 --> 02:29:59.140
features would would work

02:30:01.140 --> 02:30:05.140
I think we what hello is the expected time

02:30:05.140 --> 02:30:07.140
still the same

02:30:11.140 --> 02:30:15.140
okay bye is chat asking you to try to push it or what

02:30:15.140 --> 02:30:19.140
no I was trying to figure it out because sometimes schedule things move and whatnot

02:30:19.140 --> 02:30:23.140
ah yes but and they weren't responding to messages I sent them quite a few

02:30:23.140 --> 02:30:27.140
ah yes probably driving or something really probably very reasonable yeah it makes

02:30:27.140 --> 02:30:31.140
sense but but not responding anyways um I called and now I know that I do

02:30:31.140 --> 02:30:35.140
have to leave cool good

02:30:37.140 --> 02:30:41.140
you know that's probably where I got noon from it's probably your arrival

02:30:41.140 --> 02:30:45.140
time not your departure time that's probably true

02:30:45.140 --> 02:30:49.140
so whoops I might have even just said noon at one point because that

02:30:49.140 --> 02:30:53.140
might have been what it was at one fact um there was also an arrival

02:30:53.140 --> 02:30:55.140
versus departure time

02:30:57.140 --> 02:30:59.140
and I missed my flight

02:31:03.140 --> 02:31:07.140
so that was cool I went down

02:31:07.140 --> 02:31:11.140
to Cabo for Christmas I decided I shouldn't say I

02:31:11.140 --> 02:31:15.140
Yvonne and I decided to do something absolutely crazy

02:31:15.140 --> 02:31:19.140
this year and we treated um

02:31:19.140 --> 02:31:23.140
my siblings and so's and kids and her

02:31:23.140 --> 02:31:27.140
sibling and so and kids to

02:31:27.140 --> 02:31:31.140
ah four days in Mexico for for Christmas so it was a pretty

02:31:31.140 --> 02:31:35.140
sick pretty incredible experience a lot of fun

02:31:35.140 --> 02:31:39.140
um as siblings we've we've all been like

02:31:39.140 --> 02:31:43.140
busy you know and it's it's easy to take family

02:31:43.140 --> 02:31:47.140
for granted but I think that um losing my sister

02:31:47.140 --> 02:31:51.140
uh really sharpened

02:31:51.140 --> 02:31:55.140
my focus on the

02:31:55.140 --> 02:31:59.140
the speed with which things that you

02:31:59.140 --> 02:32:03.140
assume that you've had your whole life and you assume will always be there can be

02:32:03.140 --> 02:32:07.140
stripped out of your life and so we um

02:32:07.140 --> 02:32:11.140
yeah so we kind of surprised everyone and we went

02:32:11.140 --> 02:32:15.140
hey guess what we're we're doing it let's let's do

02:32:15.140 --> 02:32:19.140
it we're doing something crazy and it was a lot of fun we we did it all inclusive

02:32:19.140 --> 02:32:23.140
just because when you've got like over a

02:32:23.140 --> 02:32:27.140
dozen people my god coordinating every stupid meal

02:32:27.140 --> 02:32:31.140
especially with young kids there's a lot of young kids so like uh no

02:32:31.140 --> 02:32:35.140
but I think you just run over and grab some food when they want it or whatever like cool makes life

02:32:35.140 --> 02:32:39.140
a lot easier we did go off resort once you got to go go

02:32:39.140 --> 02:32:43.140
yeah okay okay speaking of family and uh do you want to just call me to do the thing

02:32:43.140 --> 02:32:47.140
do what thing at the end oh yeah yeah sure okay sounds good all right cool see you later

02:32:47.140 --> 02:32:51.140
okay see ya anyway yeah we we went down we we did

02:32:51.140 --> 02:32:55.140
one cool excursion that was oh no

02:32:55.140 --> 02:32:59.140
just leave the thing no I don't I don't like it just framed on me I actually

02:32:59.140 --> 02:33:03.140
I I sent a note to one of the editors one of our one of our videos recently

02:33:03.140 --> 02:33:07.140
just had like too much zooming in on me I'm

02:33:07.140 --> 02:33:11.140
pushing 40 dude I we don't need to be zoomed that close in on me anymore

02:33:11.140 --> 02:33:15.140
this is a good this is a good framing I need

02:33:15.140 --> 02:33:17.140
to take more more Polaroid pictures you know

02:33:19.140 --> 02:33:23.140
well okay Dan's doing something here shoot I don't have the pictures

02:33:23.140 --> 02:33:27.140
on uh thank you for that Dan that's that's incredibly

02:33:27.140 --> 02:33:31.140
helpful I don't have the pictures on this phone I took along a separate

02:33:31.140 --> 02:33:35.140
um a separate phone for for pictures and videos and stuff because we're actually going to be

02:33:35.140 --> 02:33:39.140
uploading a like a family vlog from it um

02:33:39.140 --> 02:33:43.140
and we did this like turtle release thing here why don't you just be

02:33:43.140 --> 02:33:47.140
my co-host now we'll just drag you over there oh yeah you're good

02:33:47.140 --> 02:33:51.140
but you can just you can just move the window over there uh so yeah we did this

02:33:51.140 --> 02:33:55.140
um there's a there's a turtle conservation group

02:33:55.140 --> 02:33:59.140
that allows you to go and without disturbing

02:33:59.140 --> 02:34:03.140
anything like you're not allowed to touch the baby turtles and you're not allowed to interfere

02:34:03.140 --> 02:34:07.140
with them imprinting on the beach where they were born because they have to come

02:34:07.140 --> 02:34:11.140
back in order to okay that's an option too

02:34:13.140 --> 02:34:17.140
sure um anyway so it's like a conservation

02:34:17.140 --> 02:34:21.140
thing but you can do like uh you can do like a turtle

02:34:21.140 --> 02:34:25.140
release into the ocean thing so you hold a like born

02:34:25.140 --> 02:34:29.140
that day turtle in a bowl so you don't touch it so you don't hurt it

02:34:29.140 --> 02:34:33.140
and you don't get any bacteria on your hands and then you like tip the bowl

02:34:33.140 --> 02:34:37.140
and they and you watch them like crawl into the into the waves

02:34:37.140 --> 02:34:41.140
and they were saying that um thanks to the work that they're doing the survival

02:34:41.140 --> 02:34:45.140
rate goes from they estimate about one in a thousand reach adulthood in the wild

02:34:45.140 --> 02:34:49.140
to they say about six to seven in a thousand because they'll go

02:34:49.140 --> 02:34:53.140
out of their way to um to release them at times

02:34:53.140 --> 02:34:57.140
when there's not a lot of seagulls and they'll uh they kind of oversee it

02:34:57.140 --> 02:35:01.140
so they're less likely to get picked off on the way uh to the

02:35:01.140 --> 02:35:05.140
beach from the from the nest which is pretty cool did I just do it again

02:35:05.140 --> 02:35:09.140
for crying out loud um yeah

02:35:09.140 --> 02:35:13.140
that literally came up during the presentation before we did the

02:35:13.140 --> 02:35:17.140
release thing now that I think about it uh was some little kid

02:35:17.140 --> 02:35:21.140
who you are now on on par with in terms of your your joke

02:35:21.140 --> 02:35:25.140
quality um was like six seven

02:35:25.140 --> 02:35:29.140
everyone kind of went because it's over now it's a six seven party is

02:35:29.140 --> 02:35:33.140
officially completely over has been for six seven

02:35:33.140 --> 02:35:37.140
weeks at this point um

02:35:37.140 --> 02:35:41.140
lg is responding swiftly to user

02:35:41.140 --> 02:35:45.140
backlash will allow users to remove the microsoft

02:35:45.140 --> 02:35:49.140
copilot link from their tv's there's a whole topic that was written on this

02:35:49.140 --> 02:35:53.140
but I think that that's probably um all we need to say

02:35:53.140 --> 02:35:57.140
basically it's not a built-in tv app it is just a shortcut to microsoft's

02:35:57.140 --> 02:36:01.140
outlet web app that opens in the tv's browser and um

02:36:01.140 --> 02:36:05.140
sorry about that also the microphone input was only able to activate with

02:36:05.140 --> 02:36:09.140
explicit user consent we're not sure when you'll be able

02:36:09.140 --> 02:36:13.140
to delete it but it will be able to be deleted so that's good thank you lg

02:36:13.140 --> 02:36:17.140
for responding to the outrage in a way that is acceptable

02:36:17.140 --> 02:36:21.140
very nice very nice uh no no yes I know

02:36:21.140 --> 02:36:25.140
you can only hide it shraft 2k but they're changing that that's why we're bringing it up

02:36:25.140 --> 02:36:29.140
uh okay yeah this is something

02:36:29.140 --> 02:36:33.140
you know what let's push the reboot

02:36:33.140 --> 02:36:37.140
rewind update to next week we can do that sure okay

02:36:37.140 --> 02:36:41.140
next week yeah sorry I'm getting a lot of merge messages

02:36:41.140 --> 02:36:45.140
today uh yeah I know screwdrivers are very

02:36:45.140 --> 02:36:49.140
very popular for some reason well people really like

02:36:49.140 --> 02:36:53.140
they've been so excited for them people like screwing it's it's how the whole

02:36:53.140 --> 02:36:57.140
human race survived all these millennia that's true some

02:36:57.140 --> 02:37:01.140
yep they're kind of you know I've certainly read about that yep

02:37:01.140 --> 02:37:05.140
read the articles about it right and the economist um

02:37:05.140 --> 02:37:09.140
um why don't we just do merge messages ah you know what

02:37:09.140 --> 02:37:13.140
no let's go through this last one okay china's 10 cent gains access to the

02:37:13.140 --> 02:37:17.140
band NVIDIA blackwell b200 chips by leveraging a

02:37:17.140 --> 02:37:21.140
rental loophole in us export controls 10 cent is apparently

02:37:21.140 --> 02:37:25.140
accessing an NVIDIA's most advanced ai chips by renting computing power

02:37:25.140 --> 02:37:29.140
overseas rather than buying the hardware directly according to a financial

02:37:29.140 --> 02:37:33.140
times report the chips are housed in data centers in japan and australia and

02:37:33.140 --> 02:37:37.140
owned by a japanese company called data section which rents the gps to customers

02:37:37.140 --> 02:37:41.140
through long-term contracts this arrangement allows 10 cent to legally

02:37:41.140 --> 02:37:45.140
sidestep us export restrictions that block NVIDIA's top

02:37:45.140 --> 02:37:49.140
chips from being sold into china data section has signed more than 1.2

02:37:49.140 --> 02:37:53.140
million dollars in contracts tied largely to 10 cent and now

02:37:53.140 --> 02:37:57.140
controls around 15 000 NVIDIA blackwell gpus

02:37:57.140 --> 02:38:01.140
rapidly turning the company into one of asia's largest so-called neocloud

02:38:01.140 --> 02:38:05.140
providers data section says demand is so high that even

02:38:05.140 --> 02:38:09.140
regulatory changes wouldn't hurt much as its CEO put it access to

02:38:09.140 --> 02:38:13.140
high end GPU capacity is a very sexy asset

02:38:15.140 --> 02:38:19.140
oh man yeah our discussion question is should companies be allowed to legally work around export

02:38:19.140 --> 02:38:23.140
controls by renting computing power overseas or do you feel this undermines the purpose

02:38:23.140 --> 02:38:27.140
of those restrictions i mean obviously it undermines the purpose of the restrictions

02:38:27.140 --> 02:38:31.140
but it just is the latest of many

02:38:31.140 --> 02:38:35.140
many many examples of times when

02:38:35.140 --> 02:38:39.140
legislation just doesn't

02:38:39.140 --> 02:38:43.140
move as fast as technological innovation

02:38:43.140 --> 02:38:47.140
and in some cases i end up being really

02:38:47.140 --> 02:38:51.140
glad that it doesn't but in other cases it's obvious

02:38:51.140 --> 02:38:55.140
that it is interfering with the abilities of governments to

02:38:55.140 --> 02:38:59.140
manage their their resources and

02:38:59.140 --> 02:39:03.140
i yeah i don't i don't know sort of if i'm rooting for them to be able

02:39:03.140 --> 02:39:07.140
to do that better so a lot of the time i really do think that it has been a benefit

02:39:07.140 --> 02:39:11.140
to the consumers but in other cases where the innovation

02:39:11.140 --> 02:39:15.140
is not a benefit to consumers like or i shouldn't say ai is

02:39:15.140 --> 02:39:19.140
not a benefit to consumers but where it is

02:39:19.140 --> 02:39:23.140
largely impacting consumers in a negative fashion with all the

02:39:23.140 --> 02:39:27.140
data harvesting and the you know encouragement to

02:39:27.140 --> 02:39:31.140
you know off themselves of users and the romantic entanglements

02:39:31.140 --> 02:39:35.140
and all the all the things that have not been properly studied about this ai rollout

02:39:35.140 --> 02:39:39.140
i do feel like legislation would move a little bit faster is there

02:39:39.140 --> 02:39:43.140
a reason that luke's photo is in black and white and everyone

02:39:43.140 --> 02:39:47.140
is saying rip luke in the chat Floatplane is asking for it

02:39:47.140 --> 02:39:51.140
i i don't know you do know that they are not your boss

02:39:51.140 --> 02:39:55.140
but they do funny things sometimes i mean they do

02:39:55.140 --> 02:39:59.140
definitely do funny things okay after pay respects Floatplane chat

02:39:59.140 --> 02:40:03.140
uh he's not dead he's at christmas di

02:40:05.140 --> 02:40:09.140
okay um

02:40:09.140 --> 02:40:13.140
cool good chat

02:40:13.140 --> 02:40:17.140
i mean it's true we love luke we do we do we do love

02:40:17.140 --> 02:40:19.140
luke um

02:40:21.140 --> 02:40:25.140
stop you're gonna make me think the stream's gone down why don't we do some merge

02:40:25.140 --> 02:40:29.140
messages sure we're going to when after dark let's do that

02:40:29.140 --> 02:40:33.140
although it just feels like when dark now

02:40:33.140 --> 02:40:37.140
uh let's see there's the button

02:40:37.140 --> 02:40:41.140
holy crap there's still a ton of incoming merge messages

02:40:41.140 --> 02:40:45.140
yes um it's been quite heavy today

02:40:45.140 --> 02:40:49.140
alright let's see what we've got here did we do this one

02:40:49.140 --> 02:40:53.140
yes we did hey dll asses last year so i'll ask again now

02:40:53.140 --> 02:40:57.140
what 2026 releases are you most looking forward to

02:40:57.140 --> 02:41:01.140
oh man if you'd asked me this like

02:41:01.140 --> 02:41:05.140
a month and a half ago right like i might have said

02:41:05.140 --> 02:41:09.140
oh yeah month and a half ago

02:41:09.140 --> 02:41:13.140
i'd have probably said steam frame

02:41:13.140 --> 02:41:17.140
because i'm just like i'm a vr nerd i'm really looking forward to

02:41:17.140 --> 02:41:21.140
um not having a tether i think it's gonna

02:41:21.140 --> 02:41:25.140
legitimately make me use it more like if i could just bring a dongle

02:41:25.140 --> 02:41:29.140
with me and play lighter vr games on like my strict halo laptop

02:41:29.140 --> 02:41:33.140
man how cool is that like i can like no

02:41:33.140 --> 02:41:37.140
no lighthouses to set up i don't know man it's

02:41:37.140 --> 02:41:41.140
flipping cool but i'm i'm deeply worried

02:41:41.140 --> 02:41:45.140
about what pricing is going to be like for the steam machine

02:41:45.140 --> 02:41:49.140
for the steam frame for basically anything

02:41:49.140 --> 02:41:53.140
that is going to be coming out in 2026 unless

02:41:53.140 --> 02:41:57.140
the bubble crashes um

02:41:57.140 --> 02:42:01.140
like i okay i think that video that we did

02:42:01.140 --> 02:42:05.140
uh where where david and i sort of

02:42:05.140 --> 02:42:09.140
reverse engineered what the pricing will be of the steam machine i think it's out

02:42:09.140 --> 02:42:13.140
i i think i think there's no way we got it right

02:42:13.140 --> 02:42:17.140
because we kind of assumed that the market had already priced in

02:42:17.140 --> 02:42:21.140
the lack of availability that was upcoming but it looks like that is not

02:42:21.140 --> 02:42:25.140
the case and things are going to continue to get worse server

02:42:25.140 --> 02:42:29.140
um we also haven't accounted for the

02:42:29.140 --> 02:42:33.140
potential price increases on GPU's like i didn't think it was going to be so

02:42:33.140 --> 02:42:37.140
bad that we weren't going to be able to get enough GDDR um

02:42:37.140 --> 02:42:41.140
oh speaking of which we haven't done our weekly b580

02:42:41.140 --> 02:42:45.140
check guys seriously GPU's are going to go up

02:42:47.140 --> 02:42:51.140
if you can still get the home my god you can still get it if you need a GPU

02:42:51.140 --> 02:42:55.140
like a decent GPU right now go for it

02:42:55.140 --> 02:42:59.140
um i forget what our new egg affiliate link is Dan can

02:42:59.140 --> 02:43:03.140
you throw it in the chat oh i people also don't know no float planes already

02:43:03.140 --> 02:43:07.140
posting it oh they're so good it's LMG.gg

02:43:07.140 --> 02:43:11.140
slash new egg guys if you need a GPU

02:43:11.140 --> 02:43:15.140
you will thank me that you picked

02:43:15.140 --> 02:43:19.140
up a b580 before pricing went stupid because even

02:43:19.140 --> 02:43:23.140
though Intel is rumored to be announcing the b770

02:43:23.140 --> 02:43:27.140
like at ces or sometime very soon um what i suspect

02:43:27.140 --> 02:43:31.140
is that they will build in the RAM shortage pricing

02:43:31.140 --> 02:43:35.140
to that new one and they may even make adjustments to the

02:43:35.140 --> 02:43:39.140
b570 and the b580 i don't know any of this for sure which is

02:43:39.140 --> 02:43:43.140
why i'm able to speculate on it without you know breaching any kind of

02:43:43.140 --> 02:43:47.140
nondisclosure agreement um but i strongly suspect

02:43:47.140 --> 02:43:51.140
that if you don't pick up this onyx lumie arc b580

02:43:51.140 --> 02:43:55.140
with 12 gigs of GDDR 6 for 239

02:43:55.140 --> 02:43:59.140
99 now with the Intel holiday

02:43:59.140 --> 02:44:03.140
bundle which is i remind you

02:44:03.140 --> 02:44:07.140
battlefield 6 pick one of

02:44:07.140 --> 02:44:11.140
battlefield 6 assassins creed shadows dying light the beast

02:44:11.140 --> 02:44:15.140
or sydmire civilization 7 you get this card

02:44:15.140 --> 02:44:19.140
with this amount of RAM for 240 us dollars

02:44:19.140 --> 02:44:23.140
and you get a full price triple a game

02:44:23.140 --> 02:44:27.140
you will not be finding a better deal

02:44:29.140 --> 02:44:33.140
i'm gonna say it next year i i really don't think so

02:44:33.140 --> 02:44:37.140
it's possible it's possible but i i really

02:44:37.140 --> 02:44:41.140
sincerely doubt it so now is a really good time to pick up one of these

02:44:41.140 --> 02:44:45.140
and uh and get a get a decent GPU for a decent price i mean

02:44:45.140 --> 02:44:49.140
what even is 12 gigs of RAM worth right now

02:44:49.140 --> 02:44:53.140
okay so let's go with like a somewhat equivalent you know what's

02:44:53.140 --> 02:44:57.140
16 gigs of DDR5 so around 200 dollars right now

02:44:57.140 --> 02:45:01.140
for 16 gigs of RAM so you're getting 12 gigs

02:45:01.140 --> 02:45:05.140
of RAM which let's call 150 dollars

02:45:05.140 --> 02:45:09.140
right you're getting battlefield for which is let's call

02:45:09.140 --> 02:45:13.140
50 bucks so 200 dollars you're basically paying

02:45:13.140 --> 02:45:17.140
40 dollars for an arc b580 GPU

02:45:17.140 --> 02:45:21.140
okay crazy

02:45:21.140 --> 02:45:25.140
crazy there's no way that Intel can be making money on that

02:45:25.140 --> 02:45:29.140
die and those vrms and that cooler at that point

02:45:29.140 --> 02:45:33.140
like i just just do it someone says that was 2 by

02:45:33.140 --> 02:45:37.140
16 yes and i did a really amazing thing where i took

02:45:37.140 --> 02:45:41.140
the price and i cut it in half to represent 16 gigs of RAM

02:45:41.140 --> 02:45:45.140
to be 200 dollars ish it was cool you did math

02:45:45.140 --> 02:45:49.140
on purpose? i know right hi

02:45:49.140 --> 02:45:53.140
binus book and ban i'm working on ownership

02:45:53.140 --> 02:45:57.140
of an amazon dsp and need advice on balancing

02:45:57.140 --> 02:46:01.140
employee care with managing razor thin margins

02:46:01.140 --> 02:46:05.140
in the early stages of the company hello from vegas

02:46:05.140 --> 02:46:09.140
oh it's hard man i don't think

02:46:09.140 --> 02:46:13.140
we've ever found the right balance and i think even

02:46:13.140 --> 02:46:17.140
if we found the right balance there would be people who don't agree

02:46:17.140 --> 02:46:21.140
we're finally doing it we're finally working on how does LMG

02:46:21.140 --> 02:46:25.140
spend money which people have asked for every single time

02:46:25.140 --> 02:46:29.140
we've done how does LMG make money and what i can tell you

02:46:29.140 --> 02:46:33.140
is that when we get down into the

02:46:33.140 --> 02:46:37.140
the details of you know yeah like how much

02:46:37.140 --> 02:46:41.140
of it goes to taxes how much of it goes to

02:46:41.140 --> 02:46:45.140
net profit for investment for next year

02:46:45.140 --> 02:46:47.140
for shareholder dividends

02:46:49.140 --> 02:46:53.140
when we get into these details i guarantee you

02:46:53.140 --> 02:46:57.140
that even though we are well under

02:46:57.140 --> 02:47:01.140
what many of the companies you don't hate take for profit

02:47:01.140 --> 02:47:05.140
there will be people who are mad about it there's going to be people that say

02:47:05.140 --> 02:47:09.140
well you should have done more there's people that would look at your question

02:47:09.140 --> 02:47:13.140
and say well you know you're the owner

02:47:13.140 --> 02:47:17.140
it should be 100% employee care and then there's going to be other people

02:47:17.140 --> 02:47:21.140
that you ask on the more business monster side that are going to say

02:47:21.140 --> 02:47:25.140
none of that matters outsource to cheaper labor

02:47:25.140 --> 02:47:29.140
and get your margins up right away or i don't know

02:47:29.140 --> 02:47:33.140
it's just like the conversation we had earlier

02:47:33.140 --> 02:47:37.140
where people are not going to

02:47:37.140 --> 02:47:41.140
agree on this everyone's going to have a completely different

02:47:41.140 --> 02:47:43.140
line

02:47:47.140 --> 02:47:51.140
oh wait there was one thing i was going to say

02:47:51.140 --> 02:47:55.140
an important part of it though is communication with your team

02:47:55.140 --> 02:47:59.140
laying out very clearly what the reward is

02:47:59.140 --> 02:48:03.140
and what it can be and then following through on that

02:48:03.140 --> 02:48:07.140
if you're asking people to make any kind of personal sacrifice okay sorry go ahead

02:48:07.140 --> 02:48:11.140
sure thing for Linus do you feel like you will ever

02:48:11.140 --> 02:48:15.140
find a phone that you will be happy with it seems like with each phone you find

02:48:15.140 --> 02:48:19.140
nitpicks or issues do you think having too many

02:48:19.140 --> 02:48:23.140
so many opportunities to upgrade effects i assume this

02:48:23.140 --> 02:48:27.140
no if anything i mean i think i probably upgrade my phone

02:48:27.140 --> 02:48:31.140
less than almost any other electronics youtuber who covers

02:48:31.140 --> 02:48:35.140
phones i try not to i really don't like it i mean

02:48:35.140 --> 02:48:39.140
i've used the note 9 for like 4 years or something like that

02:48:39.140 --> 02:48:43.140
or 3 years will i find one that i'm happy with

02:48:43.140 --> 02:48:47.140
i mean as long as designs continue to

02:48:47.140 --> 02:48:51.140
and no i don't think so because a lot of the

02:48:51.140 --> 02:48:55.140
direction of the mobile phone industry just runs counter to

02:48:55.140 --> 02:48:59.140
what i like and want out of my devices i'm

02:48:59.140 --> 02:49:03.140
pretty happy with this one but like i'm not going to lie and say that it

02:49:03.140 --> 02:49:07.140
didn't immediately stop folding completely flat like literally

02:49:07.140 --> 02:49:11.140
the second day i had it unless i you know give it the old

02:49:11.140 --> 02:49:15.140
you know over fold

02:49:15.140 --> 02:49:19.140
why why is that like why is that acceptable why is that

02:49:19.140 --> 02:49:21.140
normal

02:49:23.140 --> 02:49:27.140
the like i'm trying to think what else like

02:49:27.140 --> 02:49:31.140
some of the stuff that i encountered on the iPhone was just like it's just baffling

02:49:31.140 --> 02:49:35.140
to me that it's that it's not that it's not you know fixed

02:49:37.140 --> 02:49:41.140
oh man there's a video coming soon i actually was

02:49:41.140 --> 02:49:45.140
dailying an iphone air and then an iphone 17 and then i dabbled

02:49:45.140 --> 02:49:49.140
with the iphone 17 pro max over

02:49:49.140 --> 02:49:53.140
the last almost almost two months i think this is the longest i've been iphone in a while

02:49:53.140 --> 02:49:57.140
and there were some things that were really good really good

02:49:57.140 --> 02:50:01.140
and then there were also things that were just like infuriating

02:50:09.140 --> 02:50:13.140
so yeah nitpicks and issues no i think if anything it comes down

02:50:13.140 --> 02:50:17.140
to that it's my job to find things that are really

02:50:17.140 --> 02:50:21.140
good and find things that are not as good and i also

02:50:21.140 --> 02:50:25.140
tend to be a pretty busy person so i think i have a higher sensitivity

02:50:25.140 --> 02:50:29.140
to unnecessary interactions and

02:50:29.140 --> 02:50:33.140
an intuitive design than most people would because

02:50:33.140 --> 02:50:37.140
it's my job to get intimately familiar with the device

02:50:37.140 --> 02:50:41.140
really really quickly and especially when it doesn't follow

02:50:41.140 --> 02:50:45.140
that same companies established

02:50:45.140 --> 02:50:49.140
rules for interaction it just

02:50:49.140 --> 02:50:53.140
kind of drives me nuts because i do understand that a lot of products these days

02:50:53.140 --> 02:50:57.140
are just sort of designed by committee and there's these

02:50:57.140 --> 02:51:01.140
huge teams that oftentimes will barely even talk to each other but

02:51:01.140 --> 02:51:05.140
that doesn't mean that it will stop driving me crazy that

02:51:05.140 --> 02:51:09.140
you could have a flagship Android phone that for years

02:51:09.140 --> 02:51:13.140
didn't support a feature on youtube which is owned by google which

02:51:13.140 --> 02:51:15.140
androids also managed by google

02:51:17.140 --> 02:51:21.140
in this case it was youtube stories that just simply wasn't supported on it

02:51:21.140 --> 02:51:25.140
guys this is a software switch that you can just flip just enable

02:51:25.140 --> 02:51:29.140
stories on tablets or stop classifying this

02:51:29.140 --> 02:51:33.140
phone as a tablet do one of those two things and let the feature

02:51:33.140 --> 02:51:37.140
run free why are you maintaining two different versions of the app

02:51:41.140 --> 02:51:45.140
oh i do not have the pebble on right now

02:51:45.140 --> 02:51:49.140
i'm actually finally yes finally

02:51:49.140 --> 02:51:53.140
doing it it's either going to be short

02:51:53.140 --> 02:51:57.140
circuit or it's going to be LTT but i'm trying a Garmin smartwatch

02:51:57.140 --> 02:52:01.140
so pebble i shot the ShortCircuit last week and then bell's been

02:52:01.140 --> 02:52:05.140
chasing me to do this Garmin one for quite a while

02:52:05.140 --> 02:52:09.140
hey Dan and the other two my question is how to reignite the passion

02:52:09.140 --> 02:52:13.140
for games it's hard to find the childlike wonder again

02:52:13.140 --> 02:52:17.140
i wonder if you have any tips to break the monotony hi from camloops

02:52:17.140 --> 02:52:21.140
like so many things it's all about people it's all about

02:52:21.140 --> 02:52:25.140
relationships humans are we're super complicated but we're also

02:52:25.140 --> 02:52:29.140
kind of simple right like we love novelty so

02:52:29.140 --> 02:52:33.140
if your hope was that you're going to recreate

02:52:33.140 --> 02:52:37.140
that um that experience that you'd never had before

02:52:37.140 --> 02:52:41.140
again it's not going to work like that so if what you loved about games was

02:52:41.140 --> 02:52:45.140
was novelty um that's going to be tougher to recreate but there's

02:52:45.140 --> 02:52:49.140
other levers you can pull there's nostalgia uh i had an absolute blast

02:52:49.140 --> 02:52:53.140
i put dozens and dozens of hours into this roguelite hockey game called

02:52:53.140 --> 02:52:57.140
tape to tape i haven't been playing it as much lately i should probably check in

02:52:57.140 --> 02:53:01.140
and see how it's going the developer super cool canadian surfers game

02:53:01.140 --> 02:53:05.140
um seemed really passionate and it reminded me

02:53:05.140 --> 02:53:09.140
of playing like an hlpa 93 uh but

02:53:09.140 --> 02:53:13.140
you know fun and modern and with kind of a new

02:53:13.140 --> 02:53:17.140
with a new twist on it um so you know nostalgia can be a really good

02:53:17.140 --> 02:53:21.140
one uh another great example of that is how many

02:53:21.140 --> 02:53:25.140
incredible like um pixel art like

02:53:25.140 --> 02:53:29.140
16-bit pixel art games there are that sort of emulate the style of classics like

02:53:29.140 --> 02:53:33.140
final fantasy 6 chrono trigger um a couple that

02:53:33.140 --> 02:53:37.140
sort of stood out to me sea of stars seems like they were a really passionate

02:53:37.140 --> 02:53:41.140
team uh i quite enjoyed the game i didn't think it was quite as good as

02:53:41.140 --> 02:53:45.140
people kind of made it out to be it was a little shallow in terms of the

02:53:45.140 --> 02:53:49.140
gameplay and i won't say much about the story but i will say

02:53:49.140 --> 02:53:53.140
that there were just aspects of it that um you know whatever but the

02:53:53.140 --> 02:53:57.140
music is incredible the art is beautiful

02:53:57.140 --> 02:54:01.140
um it was absolutely worth a playthrough if you enjoy

02:54:01.140 --> 02:54:05.140
uh if you enjoy that that art style if you enjoy um that

02:54:05.140 --> 02:54:09.140
era of gaming another really good one this one i cannot recommend

02:54:09.140 --> 02:54:13.140
enough what a beautiful game so

02:54:13.140 --> 02:54:17.140
incredibly well written uh crosscode um

02:54:17.140 --> 02:54:21.140
radical fish i think is coming out with their next game like soon-ish

02:54:21.140 --> 02:54:25.140
uh but in the meantime you should definitely pick this up it is

02:54:25.140 --> 02:54:29.140
just an outstanding outstanding game uh and then

02:54:29.140 --> 02:54:33.140
what's what's the last one that i that i really really enjoyed um

02:54:33.140 --> 02:54:37.140
16-bit pixel games

02:54:37.140 --> 02:54:41.140
bit bit bit bit oh man uh

02:54:41.140 --> 02:54:43.140
i'm trying to remember what it was

02:54:45.140 --> 02:54:49.140
there was another really good one that i played a little while ago where the the writing

02:54:49.140 --> 02:54:53.140
got kind of silly after a bit um but

02:54:53.140 --> 02:54:57.140
in like uh in like an anime way that a lot of people will probably like

02:54:59.140 --> 02:55:03.140
i can't remember well i will i'll have to i'll have

02:55:03.140 --> 02:55:07.140
to get that for you guys another time but it's like turn-based combat world exploration

02:55:09.140 --> 02:55:13.140
no no one's uh no one said it yet

02:55:15.140 --> 02:55:19.140
well anyway yeah so so yeah so nostalgia can be

02:55:19.140 --> 02:55:23.140
can be a really good way to kind of reignite the the passion finding something that is

02:55:23.140 --> 02:55:27.140
both new and and has reminders of old uh another really big one

02:55:27.140 --> 02:55:31.140
would be just people uh a huge

02:55:31.140 --> 02:55:35.140
part of what i enjoyed so much about playing tape to tape was socializing

02:55:35.140 --> 02:55:39.140
so using it as a way to connect with people whether they're part of your life now

02:55:39.140 --> 02:55:43.140
or whether they're people that used to be part of your life i'd say that gaming

02:55:43.140 --> 02:55:47.140
chain decos that's the one thanks crater chain decos also also really

02:55:47.140 --> 02:55:51.140
cool uh definitely enjoyed the combat of chain decos a little

02:55:51.140 --> 02:55:55.140
bit more than um than sea of stars

02:55:55.140 --> 02:55:59.140
i played them both like back to back around the same time

02:55:59.140 --> 02:56:03.140
chain decos is super cool how is this so cheap chain decos is

02:56:03.140 --> 02:56:07.140
10 us dollars right now winter sale

02:56:07.140 --> 02:56:11.140
heck yeah steam being mean to everyone's wall

02:56:11.140 --> 02:56:15.140
it's yeah dude it's so good yeah it's really good

02:56:15.140 --> 02:56:19.140
anyway a couple more yeah connecting with people that that'll probably

02:56:19.140 --> 02:56:23.140
help get you get you back into it playing games with my kids is lots of fun although now that

02:56:23.140 --> 02:56:27.140
my son is so much better than me and my girls

02:56:27.140 --> 02:56:31.140
still aren't good enough to like compete it's hard

02:56:31.140 --> 02:56:35.140
to play like competitive games with them but it's still it's still great

02:56:35.140 --> 02:56:39.140
to just enjoy you know stories um also also with the wife we

02:56:39.140 --> 02:56:43.140
we played unravel too recently and we played uh it takes to a little while back

02:56:43.140 --> 02:56:47.140
people happy holidays

02:56:47.140 --> 02:56:51.140
tech gents love the new screwdrivers great for gifting

02:56:51.140 --> 02:56:55.140
what is one of your tech pet peeves

02:56:55.140 --> 02:56:59.140
workers smashing their mobile pay kiosks into my phone for

02:56:59.140 --> 02:57:03.140
tap to pay is mine cheers oh

02:57:03.140 --> 02:57:07.140
man a tech pet peeve i'd say the biggest one for me

02:57:07.140 --> 02:57:11.140
in my daily life has got to be password autofill that just like

02:57:11.140 --> 02:57:15.140
doesn't work that doesn't detect

02:57:15.140 --> 02:57:19.140
the right app or the right website like it it feels like it it works

02:57:19.140 --> 02:57:23.140
every time 75% of the time and when it works

02:57:23.140 --> 02:57:27.140
dude password autofill and pass keys oh man pass keys i was talking about this

02:57:27.140 --> 02:57:31.140
before the show pass keys are such a

02:57:31.140 --> 02:57:35.140
failed promise man like in theory they were

02:57:35.140 --> 02:57:39.140
supposed to make it so that i didn't have to do like passwords and two factor

02:57:39.140 --> 02:57:43.140
because the whole thing was

02:57:43.140 --> 02:57:47.140
supposed to be just like this thing that is on me that i have already

02:57:47.140 --> 02:57:51.140
authenticated i'm using and it this is my one factor my thing i have

02:57:51.140 --> 02:57:55.140
and then um the thing that i am

02:57:55.140 --> 02:57:59.140
is supposed to be the biometric authentication that was supposed to be it and i'm

02:57:59.140 --> 02:58:03.140
supposed to just automatically log into everything in practice i went to log into something

02:58:03.140 --> 02:58:07.140
that used a pass key before the before the show started

02:58:07.140 --> 02:58:11.140
and what is it so i have to enter i had to enter my password that i've memorized because

02:58:11.140 --> 02:58:15.140
it is my like single sign on one so i had to enter my password

02:58:15.140 --> 02:58:19.140
and then in order to authenticate that i had to

02:58:19.140 --> 02:58:23.140
um unlock my phone to

02:58:23.140 --> 02:58:27.140
so i had to click scan qr code i'm going to do it that way then i had to unlock my phone then i had to

02:58:27.140 --> 02:58:31.140
click it then i had to say what i was logging into then i had

02:58:31.140 --> 02:58:35.140
to biometrically authenticate again then i had to click yes and then it was

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like seven steps later i might as well have just typed an eight character password at that

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point it's ridiculous um

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so i'd say that's definitely more mine and the last one i have

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today question for Linus from a fellow motorcyclist

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have you written the Suzuki GSX 8S

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spiritual successor to your sv6 50 love seeing

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a live wancho merry christmas from scotland hey thanks

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merry christmas to you too scotland no i haven't this thing looks

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sick though like damn this

02:59:11.140 --> 02:59:15.140
thing looks awesome um

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oh look at that

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dang there's so many cool bikes i wish i was allowed to get a motorcycle

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my mommy says no um

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yeah wow this looks awesome no this had completely

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um this had completely flown

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under my radar

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oh here we go uh

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okay is it a v-twin or is it an inline does anyone know

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anyone beuler

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uh well i'll wait for i'll wait for someone to respond in chat but no that thing looks

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sick i haven't been on my i haven't been on my

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sv and we're coming up on like three years but the paint job is done

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but there's really bad news about the paint job um

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i don't think that my base color layer

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adhered properly to my primer layer on some of the parts and i think it's

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basically just gonna like crack off after a season or two

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which is uh deeply

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disheartening i you know i tried

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i tried to do my i tried to to learn

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the air sprayer and i i tried to learn all the coatings and i tried

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to have the right conditions and everything but i think i just got caught

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one day when maybe i didn't get the temperature right or maybe i didn't get the mix right

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and it just it just didn't adhere uh so some of the

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parts are fine to the point where they're like so hard to strip that i

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like destroyed a part once trying to strip paint off of it and redo it

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because i screwed up the uh the effect layer and then others are

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just like oh my god these are just gonna these are just gonna flake off so

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i think i'm probably only gonna get a couple of seasons out of it it was a fun learning experience

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and then i think next time around i've actually got uh i got a buddy who

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is into badminton and also runs a paint shop i'm just gonna be like hey danny

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uh this time can i just come into your shop and do

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like a couple hour session with you and maybe use your shop and maybe

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here's a few bucks or some free time at smash champs or something and let's work

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out a tit for tat and i'll maybe i'll just you know

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do something else let danny do it no that's no fun

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yeah that that's boring that's boring i want to ride around on a

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bike that i painted so maybe next time around will be a gsx 8s what what do these

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cost anyway oh i never i never check chat is it a v-twin or is an inline

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somebody in twitch had said parallel twin i don't know if they're

03:01:55.140 --> 03:01:59.140
lying to you uh

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msrp starting from question mark what the devil

03:02:03.140 --> 03:02:07.140
does that mean prices of products on the cider manufacturer

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suggested but blah blah blah yeah yeah yeah i get it you might have to build one out but you

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didn't give me one oh

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oh okay hold on hold on location british columbia

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dude man bikes are oh man the hell that's like new

03:02:23.140 --> 03:02:27.140
yeah eleven thousand dollars to be clear is a lot of money i guess you only

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get two wheels but that's canadian dollars so this is like this is like eight

03:02:31.140 --> 03:02:35.140
eight grand or something like that and like man compared to

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compared to four wheel vehicles you can

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you can buy so much you can buy so much fun on a bike

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compared to a four wheel vehicle for the price like good lord

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dude oh wow that's a

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that's a big engine i didn't clue in that the eight was eight hundred

03:02:55.140 --> 03:02:59.140
uh cc's

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more there's two hundred more than cappuccino seven hundred and seventy six

03:03:03.140 --> 03:03:05.140
cc's

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i don't know guys do you really want me to be like the the game dev guy

03:03:11.140 --> 03:03:15.140
who died recently because i 650 was already

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frickin a lot from immense got ride by wire

03:03:19.140 --> 03:03:23.140
abs low RPM assist interesting

03:03:23.140 --> 03:03:27.140
for smoother and easier starts okay that i don't know if i need as much but

03:03:27.140 --> 03:03:31.140
sure damn this thing looks so cool

03:03:33.140 --> 03:03:37.140
all right i'm gonna i'm gonna um

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you know not buy it though maybe

03:03:45.140 --> 03:03:49.140
thing looks sick uh okay

03:03:49.140 --> 03:03:53.140
uh oh is that it that's all i got for you

03:03:53.140 --> 03:03:57.140
oh wow okay well hey uh one last one last

03:03:57.140 --> 03:04:01.140
shout out guys now is a great time to head over to LTT Store

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our priz magic screwdrivers for a very limited time only until

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december 30th don't wait around very limited time are 20%

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off thanks to our partnership with youtube shopping so all you gotta do

03:04:13.140 --> 03:04:17.140
is go watch the video which i'm gonna publish right

03:04:17.140 --> 03:04:21.140
now so right now i think it's unlisted i've uh i've got it open if you want to do it

03:04:21.140 --> 03:04:25.140
you can't uh yeah don't go ahead punch it down so this video is gonna go live

03:04:25.140 --> 03:04:29.140
right now go watch it it's a really fun video it's

03:04:29.140 --> 03:04:33.140
every LTT Store product that i couldn't release

03:04:33.140 --> 03:04:37.140
for some reason or another it should be live if you want to give it an f5

03:04:37.140 --> 03:04:41.140
hopefully i didn't the wrong one live so we sat down with the

03:04:41.140 --> 03:04:45.140
engineering team there you go nine seconds ago that's

03:04:45.140 --> 03:04:49.140
one second there we go so we sat down with both the engineering

03:04:49.140 --> 03:04:53.140
team to talk about some of the really wild products that never saw the light of

03:04:53.140 --> 03:04:57.140
day as well as with the fashion team to talk about some of the

03:04:57.140 --> 03:05:01.140
really cool products that never saw the light of day and the various reasons

03:05:01.140 --> 03:05:05.140
that they didn't i don't want to spoil too much but the

03:05:05.140 --> 03:05:09.140
reason that we never made this wallet hold on

03:05:09.140 --> 03:05:11.140
let me see if i can find it

03:05:13.140 --> 03:05:17.140
okay i can't find it but there's a wallet that we never made

03:05:17.140 --> 03:05:21.140
and um yeah here they are

03:05:21.140 --> 03:05:25.140
and the way we got access to these original prototypes will

03:05:25.140 --> 03:05:29.140
absolutely blow your mind the oh oh shoot i missed it

03:05:29.140 --> 03:05:33.140
the idea behind them though was that they looked like folders

03:05:33.140 --> 03:05:35.140
um

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anyway go check it out and i think that's it for the

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WAN Show we'll see you again next week same bad time same

03:05:47.140 --> 03:05:49.140
bad channel

03:05:55.140 --> 03:05:57.140
what the hell is the speaker on this thing

03:05:59.140 --> 03:06:03.140
what that no that's the opposite of what you're supposed to do

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bye

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all right see you

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you