Heck yeah, heck yeah, oh we're gonna have to talk a little louder to get it
adjusted. Hello hello hello hello hello hello yes the compressor has kicked in
now that's why it's cold outside. Oh my goodness this is an interesting strat
you're sitting that far from a power outlet but you've chosen to charge your
laptop off of the battery. Where's the USB plug on the power outlet? Thank you
for coming to my TED talk. I don't know why why don't you have a charger for
your laptop. No I know I'm charging the battery bank. Off of your laptop oh this
is even dumber than I thought. Well where's the where's the other plug? Right
What do you mean? That's the charger for the battery. What? Run your laptop off of
battery. Why? Because it'll charge this faster. I have the whole show. The whole
show for your incredible the WAN Show with our laptop partner Dell to just
last for a long time and then this would be charged. You know what you do you. I
can do it it's fine. This way I'll never have to worry about it's all it's
completely. Yeah you've created a perpetual motion machine you've done a good job. What do you mean? The laptop so the wall charges the laptop which
charges the battery bank which charges the laptop everything is charged. It's
it's going one direction right now it's just it's just charging the battery bank.
It's got that one thing. Yeah yeah that's what makes it beautiful. I do find it
very annoying. My Lenovo laptop literally no matter what the state of the
laptop is and no matter what the state of the battery bank is it will only flow
battery bank to laptop. This is no we're not live this has nothing to do with
Dell versus Lenovo whatever. It's probably like like Lenovo's like utility. Probably
something there might be a way I can configure it to change it whatever but
like the whole handshake thing that everyone was told it does not do that
on that laptop for whatever reason. It does charge the laptop though which is
cool. Nice. That is sweet. That is also like why I did buy this as well even
though it's your green friendly sponsor bros I bought it all right. Should we do
this thing? Let's do this thing. Let's get the show started. First exclusive to
the pre-show stop floaties. Oh no Christmas is done. No longer Christmas. Oh no. That's
right. That's how you know that he died because the tree goes away. No his mass
is over but he lives on in spirit and also came back to life with new mass.
Also Christmas is like the birth one not the death one but also he wasn't born
at Christmas time so I'd love to listen to Linus religious tips. Not going to happen.
I was trying to explain religious concepts to someone a few days ago using
Warhammer 40k references to try to make them make sense. I was like you see. The
Holy Ghost is like the war. I was literally doing something. I was like you need to
understand. The Geller drive is like the communion wafers. The amazing part was
it was working. It actually helps to make it make sense. The tech priests are like real priests.
Mars' influence on the politics of Terra are important to understand. I'm going to
grab a snack because it's a little bit early to be this crazy without a snack.
Oh man.
Yeah I can't remember what like sparked it. I think they were trying to say that
like oh man I don't know if I want to get to religious stuff but I don't think
this is anti any particular religion. They were trying to say that they find
it interesting how you're supposed to interpret things that were done or may
have been done based on writings largely from other people about a certain
person and I was talking about how Warhammer 40k has that problem. Leave it
at that. Are we canceled now? No I think I tried carefully enough. Or was it the
other way around? They were talking about that in Warhammer and I related that to it anyways. It's something. It was a bit of a go.
What are we waiting for at this current moment? Just snack time? Okay. Perfect.
Who's here? My life for Iyer. My life for Iyer. I miss when StarCraft was like
cool and relevant. They could have done so much with that IP. So much dude. Where's
Ghost? Look at what happened to Space Marine dude. Don't say his name. StarCraft
Ghost man. Oh no. Look there's even like I don't know if this stuff is fake or not
but man and you may be like whoa looks bad. It's so old dude. I don't know if
this is real. I don't know if the time frame makes sense for it to have like Halo
2 graphics. Another one graphics maybe. It's Fortnite? No. I don't think so. No. 2005. Wow
it is that old. Multiplayer plot. I had so much going for it dude. Base around a beloved
character who is super hyped up in multiple games. Everything. Any hope for that? No.
There's no hope for ghosts. Not currently at least. We'll see what I guess a Microsoft
decides to do because that's a thing now I guess. Strangely enough. Four minutes of StarCraft
Ghost gameplay with commentary. I forgot this was like a thing. Look at me spore flashbacks.
Look at this dude. Spore flashbacks. Spore actually came out though. Yeah but it was
nothing like it was supposed to be. Well yeah because it was Star Citizen. It looks like
it would be fun. Yeah. I can't believe they had this much of a game and it never became
a thing. Wild. All right. Should we do this thing? Nice sweater dude. You've got things
going on. I don't know if you want that or not. Sure. Sounds good. Adds to the stoyle.
Resuming the selected now. Dan you might have to let me know when it's live. Heard. Heard.
Peter Mullen you. That's a name I haven't heard. What's up everybody and welcome to the
WAN Show. We have a great show lined up for you guys this week because people weren't in
office much this week so Luke and I will be making up a lot of things as we go. Yeah.
That's right. The RAM shortage is in full swing and there's been even further negative developments.
That's right. It has gotten worse. No. I'm serious. Over Christmas. Yes. How could they.
It got worse. There's actually system integrators that have come up with the innovation of selling
computers without RAM. Bring your own RAM PCs. That is end times right there. I will say
end times. No we're not talking about it yet. Also we're going to be talking about how Spotify
managed to be entirely scraped. That's right. You can download the entirety of Spotify if
of course you are a filthy pirate which no judgment you might be. Speaking of scraping
Google sues another company for scraping Google in an act that is very interesting. Okay.
Thank you. That does sound interesting. Also Valve continues the cheapest steam deck. Did
you say continues or discontinues. I might have said continues. I meant discontinues.
Right. Nice. A bit of a bit of an important clarity. Discontinued. Yes. They continued to
discontinue.
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No. Okay sure. Yo let's go straight into Yo ho ho Spotify has been scraped and is being
loaded on torrents and as archives scraped and downloaded 256 million rows of metadata
actually wait no I lied I have something more important to talk about first and that is
that these are out now and you have a very very limited amount of time to get them for
20% off courtesy of oh God courtesy of YouTube the priz magic screwdrivers are here they're
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and we are teaming up with YouTube shop to offer 20% off from December 26th to the 30th
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YouTube shopping that's all you have to do the discount applies automatically but it is
only for five days get it while you can we'll talk about other LTT Store stuff later but
that is the most important one one quick sec while we talk about YouTube shopping adding it
with YouTube shopping does that mean grabbing it down here how do they do that like if I'm on
I'm on the the website if I'm on the website I see this banner so if you video on YouTube add
product and cart through YouTube shopping discounts automatically applied I click view on
YouTube you've got to be kidding me hold on Sammy says we're having issues right now trying
to resolve oh hey everyone we're having some issues with YouTube shopping promo we're working
on it as fast as we can what
sorry I just I tried to go through the flow and was just like yeah cool no work and
as archive the scraped and downloaded 256 million rows of metadata and 86 million
auto audio files from Spotify totaling around 300 terabytes of data and as archive typically
aggregates print media links for books and papers and provides searchable results in its
mission of preserving humanity's knowledge and culture and as archive has been blocked in many
countries and has had hundreds of millions of URL takedown requests filed with Google the
86 million audio tracks that's me are composed of 160 kilobit per second quality for popular
songs and it drops down to 75 kilobits per second for less listened tracks I am muted
now these tracks represent 99.6% of listens on Spotify that's crazy they state this Spotify
scrape is our humble attempt to start such a preservation archive for music of course Spotify
doesn't have all the music in the world but it's a great start they will be releasing the data on
their torrents page in different stages with the metadata already released then the music files
will be dropped in order of popularity followed by additional file metadata and album art they also
state on their blog for now this is a torrents only archive aimed at preservation but if there is
enough interest we could add downloading of individual files to Anna's archive please let us know
if you would like this Spotify later responded saying they have identified and disabled the
accounts that were scraping the data they state since day one we have stood with the artist
community against piracy and we are actively working with our industry partners to protect
creators and defend their rights all right so this seems you know what let's have the
conversation we were having pre-show oh boy Luke has a theory that that I think is an
interesting theory and let's not get too deep into the granularity necessarily of it okay but
Luke basically presented that he wasn't sure that people would be as yo ho ho are you know about
this and I don't think they have been I would put that out there as they necessarily have been
about other things and I just want to do like kind of a vibe check with the community basically
I'll lay out sort of the bones of Luke's theory and then we can shiver me them timbers bury them
six feet under or we can or we can keep talking about it but basically what he said was like
there seems to be a sliding scale of acceptance like yeah like a pecking order of what's very
okay to pirate versus what's not very okay to pirate TV shows seem to be very okay to pirate
among sort of like you know the internet community sure books seem to be surprisingly okay
thoughtlessly no one cares pirated with with no cares given you know websites with paywalls seem
to get treated as just like like that was just an obstacle that was in the way of my God
given right to view the website so they seem to be like on the highest level of acceptance for
for that but then audio over and this is a funny thing because in the early torrenting days
when it was when we called it Napster audio was like most of it audio was most of it yeah and
that was mostly because just the internet wasn't really fast enough to meaningfully pirate movies
and and TV shows and also streaming sites didn't really exist encoding technology wasn't as as awesome
like you couldn't get great quality at an amount of you know bandwidth that was reasonable for you to
actually download like it just you know video media just wasn't really feasible at that time but
like what are what are your guys's what are your guys's take on this oh right so where I was going
with that was but audio ever since I mean realistically ever since the all you can eat
subscription model came to music I would say that music piracy while maybe maybe it's not deemed
more acceptable than before it's certainly fallen out of vogue yeah and I will say that to counter
my theory being more correct I suspect one of the reasons why there hasn't been as big of an explosion
about this and his archive music thing as maybe there could have been is because a lot of people
are subscribed to something YouTube premium which gives them YouTube music or Spotify or I don't
know I'm assuming there's an Apple thing or title or whatever so they already have a subscription
service that has practically everything so they just don't really like care that this archive is out
there as much lion cat also brings up trying to buy TV shows and movies is really hard in digital
formats that I don't have restrictions on whereas buying music with zero DRM is easy and fairly cheap
so that sort of is it I believe so I mean I have I have mp3's that I bought on iTunes like 15 years
ago that I could totally that's still a thing because that's the only way I don't know I don't know
a couple artists that I've wanted to directly support so I've literally just like bought their thing
and like I don't even know if it ever showed up it was like never the point right I just yeah but in a
lot of cases if you're not an iTunes person band camp is that they do
sort of has an interesting take here and to be clear I'm not I'm not backing any of these comments
from float plain chat that I'm reading I'm just kind of reading them out because they're
different from each other sort of says AI companies can scrape everything in existence
I accept that everything is okay to pirate until AI companies with pirated data are gone after
essentially that's interesting willing spy says if I cross the line I'm gonna cross the line
I won't have any reservations so okay that's that's interesting doesn't feel like band camp is truly
a solution in my view I'm looking up a few different things Dan vibes in float plain chat
not to be confused with producer Dan says I'm a DJ I am also subscribed to official DJ libraries
but for personal use I use certain YouTube downloaders so they so Dan vibes draws the line between
commercial use and personal use that's an interesting line that is I think it's a semi common line
yeah yeah no I can I can see that
Savas I have no problem paying a certain amount of money for a single movie or TV show
but all of them want subscriptions that drives me crazy I watch like one movie a month
Stone Monarch says I only pirate music because even if I pay for it it gets removed
I mean I think that's a bit of a rationalization Stone Monarch there's a there's a lot of music
that doesn't get removed from subscription services I don't I don't think there's been like a mass
removing event there certainly have been things that have been removed and that certainly is
is a major downer I am I am like actively trying to buy a digital version of a particular album
and I am not succeeding seriously I blink 182 album this I tried to make it a low-hanging
that can't be that hard a digital version yeah it doesn't seem to be the easiest thing
ever is this physical or digital audio CD nice solid literally literally solid it's solid
the one on their actual store is an LP I looked up blink when I to on bandcamp right and they
only have one album and it's Buddha which is like I don't think most people know that
that album exists this is this is not like the easiest thing ever
if I yeah yeah there's a website where I can find listings for it in CD vinyl and cassette
forms but I can't find a digital version people are saying a couple random websites I'll try
this one if this website is legit I'd really hope that it would come up in a search this is
music streaming yeah okay download store okay I'll check I'll check so is the issue a service
issue again oh wow float wow Floatplane chat is is is super active right now about this
definitely a lot of opinions Ben 34 says I feel a lot less guilty pirating something if I support
the person actively on social media I feel this is fine what do you think what does that mean
well depends what you mean by supporting if like you press thumbs up once in a while on one of
their tweets I would say that that does not count well listen my whole thing with piracy
right is I've always said here's the impact you're gonna draw your own line what I can say
is that the amount of money they would have made from you not pirating their stuff is substantially
maybe even infinitely higher than what they're gonna make from you pressing thumbs up once
in a while so you know if you're trying to if you're trying to find like a like a monetary
support rationale then that's definitely not equivalent however you know if you're if you're
drawing the line some other way then you know that's that's your line to draw but I would say
they're not the same thing minor skills says I mean half the movies and shows I want to watch
are not available anymore at all not in my country etc that's a that's a major one is like the
whole regional licensing massive I think that's a huge driver for piracy there's a lot of this
is one of the reasons why I basically refuse to subscribe to any of those services is somewhat
somewhat in line with the person who said oh I might subscribe for a certain thing of music
and then it's gone that's much more real in my opinion on the movies and TV show side of things
yeah where you subscribe to a service and then I don't know the show some of the shows that you
might have wanted might just disappear that's happened many times with things like Netflix
clapped k-24 accord says I'll gladly buy a concert shirt when I'm seeing artists perform live
if you aren't good enough for me to see live I don't feel the need to directly support you
and then goes on to completely obliterate their own argument saying only exception is the
tragically hip and other bands where members have died and disbanded right exactly or members
where live performances are not practical because you know they they do a lot of post-processing
on their music and that's you know is not conducive to performing live or maybe they have a health
condition that makes it so that they can't perform live or you know there's a I think that's a
I think that again not taking a stance on your stance but you took a stance on your stance
you said this is my line by the way here's a giant hole in the line that I that I drew
and that that was on you who did that not me
music's good on shuffle videos and more yeah wow this is really really interesting
okay the outlier says I pirate music music videos and movies however videos I have a
Spotify account for actually listening to music and an offline backup in case it gets taken down
so yeah like on a personal level I kind of like that I buy blue rays vinyls of content I love
and I go and see many live shows and go to the theaters regularly so you are the outlier
aren't you it's literally the username the outlier oh yeah okay I mean yeah it's it is very
interesting to see how easy it was for any time I've ever talked about piracy for it to
tick off a large percentage of the audience because reading through these comments and the
conversations like this is about the fastest I think I can remember seeing Floatplane chat
moving move yeah everybody has drawn not just like a line on a linear scale for like how much
piracy is okay because there's all the different ways of piracy piracy aing there's all the
different mediums that you can pirate there's all the different definitions of piracy I mean
there's a lot of folks myself included who feel that piracy is circumvention of the of the
of the payment of a media good like to me that was always kind of what it fundamentally boiled
down to there are clearly folks who do not agree to them piracy requires it to be illegal
explicitly that was and and I believe that is actually like dictionary definition yeah correct
I think that's the reason why you switched to calling it privateering yes so it's like this
whole it becomes like a whole spirit versus letter of the law sort of argument at that point
which again to me has always been you know sort of sort of arbitrary but to a lot of people
is a very important line that they draw for their own personal morality so that they don't
have to wear a tricorn hat or something but yeah it's clear it's clear that y'all are okay
man I keep getting new takes here ick see your face goes I'd never pirate fiction but non-fictional
educational pretty much always I think that's also a pretty common line to be honest also really
yeah I think so I mean explain it to me when you're on dude when you're on university
campuses the the hats are on yeah sure the hats are firmly positioned I just a little bit
on the older side because digital textbooks was not as much of a thing when I was in my
first couple years barely creaking into being a thing when I was going to school I bought
all my textbooks used people were that was a thing just about it and then I resold them
in in some cases I definitely honestly do agree there are a lot of documented documented
counts where people are bumping revisions of books for practically nothing where the
author of the book is the teacher of the class and then bumping revisions to make you buy
new ones and like all this yeah there is a lot of very obviously unfair play in the
educational space and you know it's still not legal for that whole line thing that
we're talking about right I can definitely understand why someone's line could be placed
in a position where they're like I'm cool the pirate this I'm going to be okay with
that because it's like you know you're you're spending a mind shattering amount on getting
North American education and yeah 2024 study showed a huge number of student
students pirate books and also share them around totally makes that zero zero says
there's even some university lecturers who will send an email out saying don't use these
websites yeah these ones this is a thing that has actually also happened many times
make it easier for them to find them yeah like it's it's it's tough because think
think of how many scenarios you are required to buy a book
clapped k-24 Accord says I proudly pirated the Canadian electrical code if safety is
that important I ain't paying $300 on it get wrecked yeah people have their own line right
I could see there being certain educational books that I would feel really bad about
pirating yeah and I could see there being certain educational books where I'd be like
download like I don't know I think it really depends on the the one specifically for me
yeah and I can be the biggest takeaway here is that literally no two people sitting next
to each other in a room could possibly agree a hundred percent on what's okay and what's
not okay to pirate yeah unless they were absolutists unless they were literally sith
yeah yeah only a sith speaks in absolutes literally nothing is okay or literally everything
which there are people in both camps yeah there there are there are people I do wonder
as many of them in this conversation right now in this chat but there are people I do
wonder if eventually you could poke a hole in most of those people's belief system though
simply by bringing it back around to something that that they work on because it's amazing
how quickly you can do that where you kind of go okay but what if what if they pirated
you know this thing that you create you know what if some but what if somebody didn't pay
you for your work and they'll be like well obviously you know that's an exception because
there's I know there's a oh I hope I don't misrepresent their argument but I know there's
a group of people where it's all information should be free at all times and it just that's
their line and they don't care if they make it or not make it yeah if they're creating
information whatever that might be oh I do believe that for there are a significant number
of people that at the actually walk that walk oh yeah but also most of the people who say
they do I have not found that they actually do I know I've met people that do but I think
I would agree with you on that one where a lot of people hear that and be like oh that sounds
cool and then not actually like really think about the consequences while there are definitely
people that have thought about the consequences and are just like yep totally I'm going to
contribute to open source stuff we're going to do all these other things yeah I'm going to
absolutely walk this walk and it just it is it is what it is is there a man oh how do we
because like for software yeah you know open source is like the you know the solution like
but I don't I don't think there's like an open source you know music open source movies
solution you kind of get where I'm where I'm going with this like if you were if you're
someone who believes fundamentally that software should all be free then there's like there's
a path so they're just to all software being free it's kind of it's been kind of laid out
we just have to we have to do it whereas like movies I don't I don't think there's a path
to movies being free I don't know there's people that have started putting things up I know this
this is a line that's going to get really interesting really fast but there's people that
have been putting up people saying oh yeah public libraries it's a good one Creative Commons
but how do you distribute well I think who's going to make them that that's more the issue
like with with open source I think we've kind of solved the who's going to make it issue
and we've solved how they're going to get paid it's going to be through support contracts
major companies all right so that's how we're doing this and then but on the movie side
who will make them and how will they be paid I don't I don't see yeah this is some people
in chat are already saying the thing that I've been thinking about and this is going to
become an interesting conversation fast like I just said previously but YouTube there's
I don't remember it but there's a YouTube documentary that went up and did really well
and they got approached by a few different larger companies including Netflix and some
other ones to take that documentary make it exclusive to their paid subscription platform
and they said no the reason why they said no was because they thought they would have
better flexibility and potentially financials by staying on YouTube because of I think it
was a great feature on interesting so it was crowdfunding what are we going to do how do
you how do you start you have to you have to start in that realm by by design like from
the yeah and it's tough and it's and I do man there was a people stay subscribed for
the three years it takes you to make your next documentary that's I think that's tough
it's very tough and and we'll you will YouTube continue to inchify to the point where it's
it's it's going to become a major problem like like I I came across a really interesting
thread on the LTT subreddit this week just about how crap YouTube's getting and we actually
we did this last week but I think it bears doing again this is my YouTube homepage there
is yeah an ad live stream live stream two live streams five shorts a row of shorts which
like don't if they don't even autoplay the whole thing they just stop you have to click
them you have it's it's by design you know it's by design then we get what another live stream
an ad a vaude the first vaude oh my god YouTube playables these ai slop garbage games so out
of my first two pages so I'm below the fold already one vaude it is I will say it is
kind of somewhat based YouTube that the one vaude that you got is like a really small
video because part of YouTube is discoverability and all that kind of stuff but it's it's one
why is it why is it one okay let's keep going I mean I haven't I haven't prepped this right
below the fold again okay here we go a Boston Dynamics video that's pretty popular Jurassic
Park but with a cat a ShortCircuit video okay we got three vots another row of shorts
another live stream another live stream another ad a 10 year old video from what 13 years
old but yeah sure who's counting we got electro boom in here okay so we get a few vots another
live stream another fireplace please tell me that's not the same fireplace no it's a different
fireplace sorry one second can we look at that video real quick Virginia traffic attorney
Luke J. Nichols dot MOV from 13 years ago I mean it's got four and a half million views
oh it's an ad it must have been used as an ad this is he's just talking about his practice
totally it must have so it's just an ad and it like it probably was an ad at some point
it probably isn't an ad anymore because there's no way yeah this is clearly not parody though
this is an actual ad for Virginia traffic attorney Luke J. Nichols dynamo v am I missing
something here okay now I'm clicking it I must be missing something here I don't know
how I found this video but I didn't expect to see outdoor boys your new job is way cooler
than a traffic attorney wait that's outdoor boys okay that makes sense why they got so
many views that is totally him what the heck okay got it I didn't recognize the name immediately
that is incredibly random hilarious so what happens if I call this number you know let's
not do that yeah that's not necessary we're not that kind of show but so how much farther
and then this was sort of the conversation that some people were we're trying to have
in the reddit thread but like how much more in verification is there for YouTube to go
through I mean I do feel like this whole AI slop game thing might be the jump the shark
moment it feels like it to me I think I rented about this last week but yeah YouTube really
had to find their way I'm I am genuinely rather terrified because that was the answer right
like that was the communities and your answer to how we're going to not have everything
be major studio funded and we're going to have like indie be possible the answer is
YouTube has been the bastion yes they've been the way for for small projects to survive
and and fund themselves you know off platform on Patreon or even through YouTube directly
but how is Vaude supposed to survive on YouTube when literally AI slop games are given better
billing in the first two pages of the site then significantly better than Vaude videos
yeah and when I say Vaude I don't mean that you know a lot of this other stuff isn't also
technically video on demand but that's the way that YouTube refers to it is there's shorts
there's Vaude's there's live so so Vaude that's like your traditional you know 16 by 9
YouTube upload that's meant to be watched on a on a screen that isn't vertical and isn't
meant to be like you know played a game on AI slop junk and I don't know and obviously
this you know affects me personally right because that's the majority of Linus media
groups work is is Vaude and even though we do dabble in shorts I can tell you now that
unless you're selling something through your shorts there's not there's not a sustainable
amount of money to be made not at any kind of scale like I think as an individual person
you could survive on shorts just kind of filming yourself or maybe even a couple people a few
people small team but beyond that you're going to need to start to seek sponsorships you're
going to need to start to sell something ran into a really cool shorts creator who became
a shorts creator because of his like frozen dessert business as opposed to yeah there's
a bunch of that around it's weird but yeah yeah we're like the ads we've the ads have
become the content which is sort of wild that part's very interesting hey I think people
I think there's some people out there who would make the same argument about us yeah it's
it's that's again where your line is because some people see certain types of content as
ads it also depends on their necessarily perception right like there is stuff that we do that I
would say classified it could be classified as as advertisement like fully like we did
a fully sponsored short on these like wave generator things we just put them in my hot tub
and turned it into a whirlpool yeah no I mean we do actually really fair amount of things
that are that are effectively ads we try to make them entertaining but they're effectively
ads but there's a lot of people who consider like you know anything that we do building
a computer to be an ad simply because those are things you can buy and it's like well
no that's not actually how that works either line gets funky all right but my like I'm
terrified for what's happening to YouTube thing actually has nothing to do with like
my job or this place it's entirely just that like I don't know there's comments in
in full plane chat of like oh YouTube YouTube can definitely I can't remember where it was
I'm not going to find it sorry but YouTube can definitely get worse they've proven that
before it's like yeah man I don't know I'm definitely on the like let's dog on YouTube
chain I guess yeah but like I mean it's also pretty amazing and yeah there really isn't
anything else there out there like it and I really don't think it's going to happen
if YouTube goes down we're not going to get this back again you look at the incumbents
what are they doing yeah just worse things than what YouTube's doing yeah and that's
and that was with YouTube to be there as a guiding star and show them how to create a
creator economy company like Twitter talked a good game for a while about you know more
revenue sharing with creators and and this and that and then I think eventually their
leadership figured out or that that's not happening or got distracted by something
tick-tock I don't think bite dance has any intention of ever having a revenue sharing
model like YouTube introduced I don't which has revenue sharing like pretty pretty decent
revenue sharing I'd say that's like the other platform where creators can realistically
like make enough money to sustain teams to build companies like come on are we talking
about which being better than YouTube in 2026 oh no but this is my point though like and
they've abandoned Vaude so Vaude is pretty functionally completely abandoned on Twitch
I've had people who don't understand what Floatplane is say oh this is float planes
opportunity no it is not we're not doing that it's not happening that will literally never
happen it will never ever happen the only reason that YouTube works is because it operates
at such a colossal scale that no amount of you know what Floatplane team super talented
amazing leadership great job thanks man Peters and Peters in full plane chat right now
saying yeah please no yeah we're good we're not doing that but a project of that scale
no matter how I will say it right now and I don't mean this to be offensive to the float
plane team in any way no no amount of venture capital money would make that viable but that
has been proven already like if anyone was gonna do it it was basically gonna be Amazon
yeah with adding Vaude to Twitch and then yeah they don't work there anymore it's probably
fine I'm not gonna name them but I have talked to Twitch people who during that segment of
time were like we are going to lose we were never going to win this is a failed idea their
moat is astronomically bigger than everyone thinks and no one will ever touch YouTube
and that like almost it's been too many years to say that verbatim but like it's close like
they there was there's no chance and that's still kind of true unless they remove the
moat themselves the only real rocket on it they're cooking inside the building and my
my concern is that threat inside the building is too much you sound scared I am kind of
scared the like the future of online knowledge sharing with YouTube brought into its core
is dark like I you look at like so many different ways and there's some there's people talking
about how they're there stopping using social media and all these different things are
happening and like there's there's goodness in that but the sad part of that is that
YouTube was often take that dear God the call is coming from inside the house because
YouTube threat from yeah it's pretty good that's pretty good I was so confused looking
at my phone is like did you get spoofed or something yeah it's okay all right gravity
cube asks it's just concerning but why is it not feasible I understand money but what is
the part that is so expensive okay so uploading for free is fucking insane for one thing that's
that's the start like the whole uploading for free only made sense at the beginning because
investment funding burning money user acquisition period it was it was the mid 2000s slash sort
of late 2000s and I mean even well into the 2010s that was the Silicon Valley model you
just burned investor money and then you acquired many many many many users and then usually
you exited to a much larger company who figured out how to make money off of it eventually
or just kind of didn't and continued to burn money and just acquire users see twitch as
an example that was just the model but what happened to the vast majority of other you
know free to use free to upload free to download services like you know let's let's look at
Dropbox as an example Dropbox you know made no sense how much they were giving away for
free in the early days eventually they had to look at it and go oh my god this doesn't
make any sense and they had to build like a viable business model yeah and now Dropbox
is popularity is they were like dude they were like basically everywhere yeah cloud storage
yeah at the time you know in the early days and now it's like yeah Dropbox I don't know
what did you did you fail to pay do you know did you get cut off by let's see you know Google
one it is one drive interesting that they're I cloud their tagline is registered users
I believe it so like that whole that whole model never made any sense except YouTube
YouTube has somehow has somehow made it work so we would have to find and the somehow right
is they got bought by Google who continued to throw money into the money furnace until
such point as they were able to extract enough data that they were able to leverage it to
make enough on that data that they were able to turn it into a self-sustaining machine
without the deep deep deep ad business that Google has without the way that they leverage user data
to make money in their advertising business I just don't see how it could be done and you can look
at other examples of of strong advertising companies I'd say Facebook would probably be
the closest thing at this point Meta Meta tried and I don't think Vaude has ever really taken
off on Meta short form they have a lot form for sure but Meta's model is also so different
like you I know like literally one creator that does well on Facebook Vaude and and I know there
are some other creators that do they have some demographics but it's really it's not YouTube
and it's very very very far from being YouTube and then the other side of it so Google figured out
how to bring in enough revenue to make it make sense but then they also had to figure out how to scale
up their infrastructure to make it affordable and I don't know if you guys have noticed this
but Moore's law and like the way that storage you know costs per terabyte are going like it
you can't just count on your next data center to be twice as fast have twice as much storage
and cost half as much as the last one you built anymore the the large scale corporate entities
are up against the exact same challenges that we are when we go to build a new gaming PC
and realize oh my god this thing like costs the same or more is not that much faster than my old one
you know what maybe I'll just keep my five-year-old gaming PC because realistically a five-year-old
gaming PC today is still going to play anything you'd want to play and you have it already
you don't have to you don't have to buy a new one I mean they have oh man they have when when you're
operating at that scale your power and your cooling become major concerns and you might have to upgrade
just from like an efficiency standpoint but in terms of like performance and especially storage
we did a video a while back that was I forget exactly what we called it but it basically laid out the case
for why oh what was it YouTube made a made a controversial move it was something to do with
YouTube premium is this the skip ad thing no I think it was like resolution I think it was the
resolution thing like why 4k should be a premium feature something like that yeah thank you
in Floatplane chat where we basically showed how how the cost per gig of storage used to go down
very rapidly very rapidly god rapidly and then just like stopped yeah and meanwhile more and more
people are carrying around 4k video cameras in their pockets all while the storage doesn't get cheaper
the way that it used to so the only way to make it affordable is to just what I don't know there's
no magic it's not like Google gets magic hard drives that don't cost money yeah so apparently
the answer is this
all right oh my god now that I've watched one video yeah now now all wow this is
crazy amazing huh YouTube playables wow I'm sure glad this exists 48 million plays with that said I
don't know you know no one has ever known what does number means yeah we all kind of trust YouTube to
be somewhat consistent in their application of that number whether it's views or streams or plays
but I actually sent them an email to my to my rep the other day that I you know I was really
confused by let me see if I can find it yeah here it is so let me let me fire this let me fire this
over to you Dan share nice noise oh my god where's teams in my share menu why is it not here
oh they changed the icon recently that's right there it is just once why would I want to always share to
the same app just stupid interface thing I am finally daily in the fold seven just in time for the
triple to come out and I absolutely love it so far that it definitely has some issues but it's pretty awesome
this is terrible what's up maybe it's better on a phone I'm trying to play one of these I'm trying to play
that game that had 48 million plays oh here sure oh it's like so all of your movement it's interesting
this works on YouTube but all of your movement is I see my mouse there's this like touch pad
spot which is it means you know it's almost certainly just made for a mobile phone so that's
probably a big part of the problem but I am a unhearable ninja as far as I can tell I get cash
immediately this probably counts as another play clicking next level yeah yeah probably I can get
firearms I don't have enough money for any of this cool good game design they can't hear me so I just
walk near them and they get shanked even if they see me for a second doesn't really matter I could probably
just speedrun all this by just running into them wow I did it this is the game why has this been played
48 million times I do suspect it's because every single time you load a level it's probably counts as the
game being played again well that's the thing is like how how do things count do do do do do do do do do
no all right sweet okay I think that's probably enough of that sure so I so I sent this screenshot
yep go ahead down over to my YouTube rep and I was basically like okay I'm trying to understand what's
going on here it seems like this brand is buying views against this video so you can actually see it
on the left there that's my my left circle I hadn't switched to a fold phone yet so this was
the interface I was dealing with and I wanted to send just one screenshot because I don't know
whatever I did so on the left you can see the stair step of where the brand like ran an advertising
campaign to buy views for this video right yeah so it got a lot of views but you can see the watch time
is relatively tanked basically negligible like not just not just doesn't track in lockstep with the
views because I would fully expect that a purchased view a viewer might not stick around for as long
right as someone who they might stick around for five seconds comes across the content organically right
oh okay well she should message me then I didn't get a message from her
sorry to interrupt yeah yeah no all good okay
well okay no right right right right right no I know how that one works I can just send that to her
okay fine I'm doing it I'm doing it I'm doing it now yeah no she did she did not message me
so I don't know there I sent it so basically my my so my question to the YouTube rep was like look
I understand that how a view is counted is sort of the secret sauce YouTube doesn't share the criteria
but is it maybe possible for me to at least understand how something like this can happen
curiously there's been a small uptick in subscribers that seems to correspond to the the campaign
that's being run really how do you get new views new subscribers but functionally zero new watch time
hi Linus just getting back to you
yep since they're running it as an ad it's not surprising people will be watching for far shorter than usual
and I said yeah I get that I'm just wondering why that quality you can take it away done why that quality
is as a view it would seem like you know organically if people were finding this organically
but what is very clear to me is that view that doesn't necessarily have a set definition
because I cannot I don't think I've ever in my 18 years of uploading to YouTube ever seen a video
it's very strange that tracked that far off for watch time and for views
which is clearly just people clicking skip ad clearly yeah like very clearly yeah but at the end of the day
right I noticed this as well by the way I was trying to talk to somebody about how viewership on YouTube is
like it like mind-blowingly spiky these days and how sometimes it's kind of surprising because I thought that video
was pretty good and I went to bring up that video as an example and I was like whoa okay I was trying to point out
that it had lower than views and I would expect and I was like what the heck so I went on this huge tangent
where I was like bring up the dashboard trying to figure out what the heck was going on and then I saw those charts
and was just like okay well it's pretty obvious what happened yeah but nobody actually watched it except a few people
did because they subscribed to the channel unless there's like whole bot networks snake eating its own tail
kind of that will watch that will go out of their way to watch ads and then subscribe or something
bot network views this feels like it was YouTube ad views
oh that I don't know probably but no what I'm saying is no no what if there's bot networks that are designed to watch the ad content
and subscribe to it to seem like legitimate users so that those bot accounts can be reused later or whatever like I could
yeah like they're just farming new bot accounts or something I look I don't I don't
piggybacking on a system that exists to try to legitimize themselves in some way interesting
and you know what it's not the most egregious sort of abuse of of metrics to make advertisers feel like they're getting
something for their money that I've ever seen I remember my old boss at NCIX not Taren not the owner of the company
Jack I remember him explaining to me how magazines and newspapers managed to sell their advertising for so much money
and it blew my mind at the time because you know to me a techie guy for whom one megahertz is one megahertz
and nothing more nothing less right to have something so emotional be sold and then bought by somebody was just inconceivable right
but he's like yeah so you got to understand that on the internet you know an ad view is an ad view by and large
but with magazines they would actually have like a multiplier so first they would assume that every single magazine that was sold
to a person who viewed every single ad in it but then they assume it's left on a coffee table or whatever else oh my god
and I think the multiplier you know depending on the yeah depending on the the the publication could be 2x or even 5x
and these are just like assumptions that would be kind of like hidden in the in the footnotes of the sales deck but that's wild
yeah right to a certain limited degree sure but it's there's no way it's as high as they were saying
no I mean it's no way it was even one yeah like if we're being real like what what happened to an unsold magazine
it didn't get read by three people come on also not every single thing in the entire magazine is read
and back when magazines were a thing it was very common to be like oh yeah I read front page and page eight and that's it every time
I don't read anything else so actually back in those days I didn't know that many people that would read the whole thing
I don't think I knew anybody so anyways I mean there are certain magazines that the articles were the only thing that I was interested in
mm-hmm mm-hmm for sure yes it's important to note as well everything else was unnecessary filler mm-hmm and I would
I would sometimes there was filler on them and I would make sure I would check every page I would check every page to verify
if it was in fact filler and and I would look closely to be sure that I knew that it was certainly filler
sometimes I might spend more time on those pages verifying that they were filler yes yes
anyways topic to the RAM shortage oh is here to stay likely resulting in raised prices on PCs and phones
ah yes thank you International Data Corporation IDC for verifying what everyone else I think has known for a while
IDC market analysis finds that because memory makers like Micron, Samsung and SK Hynex are shifting supply to AI data center
stock is tightening for everyday devices and companies that compete on low price with budget products are getting hit hardest
and are responding by raising prices or cutting features Apple and Samsung have secured their supply early as if that's going to stop them from raising prices
but PC makers like Dell, HP, Acer, etc. are already signaling price increases as memory costs climb
so yes it's another ramp up rampocalypse topic but there are a couple of new things that
that make this not like what we've seen before
so first something that we have seen before Valve discontinued the least expensive Steam Deck
this was the $400 LCD model that was sometimes on sale for as little as $350
it has been quietly discontinued and quietly all of the remaining stock was snapped up
so now the cheapest Steam Deck I believe is the OLED
hold on a second I'm trying to find it uh oh my search here is not fine is it in the dockered oh yeah here it is
so now the most affordable option is the 512 gig OLED version for $550
oh man the Steam Deck was so the affordability of the Steam Deck was such a game changer
like for PC gaming and to be clear I have hope that affordable Steam Deck will return
it's just that you can't do anything about your supplier cost
and I don't think it's fair to I don't think Valve wants to do this at all
I don't think it's fair yeah exactly to be mad at Valve over their incoming supply
over their sourcing costs going up a lot
to be clear I like to often point out their 30% take
and how they're not quite the benevolent gods
that people say they are pretty freaking cool
they're quite based often but the way that Valve has approached gambling for instance
the way that Valve just kind of takes their take
and imperfect algorithmic etc
and you know not standing up to payment processors
around us just being allowed to spend our money however we like
which should be the way that it works Valve is not perfect however
this is one of the ways that they've actually been super cool for a long time
is they're really not they understand the model
if we're gonna sell you this thing and it's gonna have our store on it and you're gonna buy our games and that's great
therefore the thing doesn't have to be too expensive and they've been keeping stuff like the Steam Deck
like really cheap for a long time
and I don't think there's a shift here where they're like oh RAM prices are up we can loot people now
which is I'm for sure happening
I'm for sure that's happening at some companies somewhere
and I really don't think it's happening so basically we're not bootlicking Valve
we're just trying to make sure that our anger right now
is directed at the correct sources
and we're gonna start having like fancy restaurant pricing
for things where it just says like market price on everything
and the market price is just dictated by RAM
I feel like that's something that I did not get across very well last week
when I was trying to talk about the sort of perspective shift
so that whole conversation went up on LMG Clips
and a lot of people were extremely mad about it in fairness
I did not open the conversation very tactfully
but the point I was trying to... If I can interject for a moment
What you're referring to as tactless was in fact tactless plus
I think part of the problem is that you script think out loud
I've been thinking about this since you mentioned it before the show
and I think that was Linus script thinking out loud
which is where you kind of start with this dramatic position
Oh, I see and then you distill it and you research it
and you massage it into a well thought out argument
that ends up being a script and you script thunk out loud on WAN Show
and people were like, oh! A lot of people didn't watch that far into the clip
I can tell you that much but basically what I was trying to get across
and so a lot of the comments are about how
well, you got to understand that housing is way more expensive
and health care is way more expensive we have a lot of American viewers
and food is way more expensive and computers are way more expensive
and I guess what I was trying to get across last week
is if for the last...
I mean realistically the whole thing kind of goes back to
sometime in the 70s when
when wages just completely decoupled from corporate earnings
because they track pretty close up until like 70s, 80s
I wonder what happened back then I don't know, who knows, no one knows
but they track pretty close up until then and then they just completely decoupled from each other
and I guess the point that I was trying to make last week
is like if you've been having the shit kicked out of you
for 50 years by housing and food
and shelter, sorry, housing and food
and utilities and essentials
That's happening right now too energy prices are going through the roof
and clothing and then all that time
gaming has been there for you with a full retail game being $60
somehow in spite of everything else going like this
and computers have been there for you
like this, while everything else has gone like this
and flat screen TVs have been there for you
like this, while everything else has gone like this
and flat screens are still there for some reason somehow
I guess what I was trying to get across last week
was that, yes, this RAM pricing blip
really sucks, especially if you have to buy some RAM right now
but compared to the absolute beating
that all of these other essentials have been dishing out
it still hasn't even remotely kept up
with how much everything else has gone up
and it sucks
and especially the reason sucks
like the fact that it's just so that we can have more AI
that I don't think anyone, especially in this community
is really asking for Yeah, a massive amount of the output that I see from those systems
is junk that no one wants so if we didn't just make all the junk that no one wants
this probably wouldn't be happening legitimately
So yeah, I guess what I was trying to get across
is like guys, the fact that we can still buy
a Steam Deck for $550
that's a lot worse than $400
which is how much we could buy it for a week ago
for how much value and how much entertainment
and how much we can extract from that Steam Deck
for $550
All I was trying to say is
hey, let's not be
super mad at Valve about this
You can be mad about the situation
You should be mad about the situation
Like dude, I was reading about
how much the big food
lobby has engaged with the current
administration to defang
the good parts of the
Make America Healthy Again initiative
And it's been unprecedented
They're all spending at rates that are at least decade long highs
in some cases all-time highs to just defang all this stuff
You should totally be mad
You should be super mad right now There's honestly too many things to be mad about
But I do feel like in some ways and this is what I was talking about
with the perspective adjustment I feel like in some ways
our passion for gaming and our passion for technology
is making it so that
we are more angry
at this thing that
that we love than at the things that have actually been
beating the sh** out of us far more
in a much longer period of time
I don't think I did a great job of explaining that
But I was trying to be more positive
I was trying to be a little more positive
And you know what, it's funny because there was a time probably about
I don't know, six, seven years ago
I'll stop It's so dead
That's when it becomes fun I am that old guy
Did you just dab? Nice
I can't even do it properly There we go
See, now it's fun Now it's fun
I can't even do it right Okay, anyway
There was somewhere between Totally fake Arthur and the whole plane chat
It's mods banned them
Somewhere between five and eight years ago
There you go We were really leaning into more negativity
in our content More anger at the stagnation
in silicon improvements more rants
And Yvonne actually sat me down
and was like, okay, listen Is that good for anybody?
Does that help anybody? Does that help anybody get a better deal on their next computer?
Does that help anybody
feel more positive about the system that they're building
to play games? Can you find a positive side?
And I kind of went, okay, yeah Yeah, I think I can
Excuse me The Steam Summer Sale is still there for us
There's so many games that come out these days
that do not have high system requirements And I know
I know that there's a large extremely vocal
part of the community that is very angry
about new games having high system requirements that can't be run without upscaling
or frame generation or whatever else And it's like
Whoa, whoa, whoa You could probably count on your fingers and toes
those releases Whereas every week
Steam gets flooded with many games that are a lot of fun to play
that you don't have to do any of that for You can play on a 10 year old Linux computer
It's a very interesting tone shift because of how much people liked Crisis
I know, I know It was practically impossible to run
and it was like fun trying to see if you could and stuff like that
But okay, you know what? I think that is such a critical
point that you've landed on there because why are people yelling at me
over on LMG clips? Why are people yelling at
Hey, hold on Hold on, hold on
Why are people yelling at game developers for building games that demand
the fastest computers? Why are people angry
at all of these places that didn't create the problem?
Well, it's because of that passion
That's exactly what I was talking about So back then
they didn't have to the same degree that it's there now
all these external stressors Oh yeah, yeah, yeah
that are impeding on their ability to It was so much easier to just live
to splurge on a new GPU or that could make it so you could aspire
to one day owning a system that could run it
It's the hopelessness that is actually caused
by all these other factors I mean, when was the last time
on WAN Show? Think about it
The last time we talked about a technology industry
hiring wave
Who is our f***ing audience? Yeah, early
It would have been early Covid It happened, it would have been early Covid
Something that I think is interesting just on this topic
we started this company in your garage That was
a normal thing for companies with
low amounts of money to do back then
Most people don't have garages anymore
If now that would have been a privileged position
which is nuts Even then it was a privileged position
I remember Yvonne and I shopping for our house
and pushing ourselves for a detached house
There are cheaper detached houses that have garages And that was with her
I mean, yes but also not by as much as you might think
We were already in the burbs We already, it wasn't like
a large house by those standards
It was older It was old when we bought it
but not like cool you know, heritage
Not retro It was just old
And so we almost bought like a row home
Yeah That was what was kind of comfortable
and then we pushed ourselves hard and you've got to remember
that I am married to someone who I don't think really clued in
to how exceptional she is until I finally did it
I think I got through to her We were in the Costco parking lot
We were walking into the store and I
I was like, yeah I always
like knew but I never really thought about
how insane it is that you got hired
as the manager of a Costco pharmacy at 23
That is f***ing insane
Just graduated Major corporation
Straight to manager Super high hiring standards
Straight to managing a department with functionally no experience
I mean, she had some pharmacy work experience from her practicum
and I think she had like a years experience half a years experience or something
working at Save On in the pharmacy there
and she went straight to managing a department
and I was like, I was thinking about it because
I don't think we've ever seen
and no offense to the many, many very talented people who work for
Allied Atlantis Media Group I don't think we have ever seen anyone
who's walked in at 23 and we've gone, holy s***
We will hire this person to manage a team
of 15 to 20 people immediately
and she was like, oh yeah I never really thought about that before
and I was like, yeah, okay, have I finally gotten through
So anyway, the point that I was getting at here is that was with the benefit
of her working as a pharmacy manager, which is not
normal for our cohort I should not have been married
to someone that was making six figures I also dropped out
and got extremely I worked hard
and I like to think that I'm also not stupid right, but I got pretty lucky
not everyone who took an entry level job at NCIX
advanced to senior management in four years
or whatever, five years or whatever it was I do think you're making all this comparison, which is all fair
but your house that house was more expensive
and the location makes it way more expensive
if we're looking at like the North America's
as a whole, it was relatively common to have a garage
available to start your company at that year So okay, I was looking at it
from like a Vancouver market perspective you're looking at it from a North America
culturally for people who would have watched the video
for the largest demographic of people that would have watched the video
in Vancouver, even then a garage was crazy
and it was because Yvonne and I just like
teamed up and life together hard
from 18, which is also not normal
I look back and I go, if I had to
solo it for
some period of years instead of having a partner
everything would have been way harder absolutely everything
Yeah, fair enough
But yeah, no, and now I mean, there are still places
that are cheap every once in a while
just like I'll jump on to
a real estate listing site and you'll find like a detached home
that's you look at and you go, yeah, I couldn't even
I couldn't even buy like
an empty lot in like Chilliwack for that
It's priced knowing that you're going to have to somehow get rid of all the material that is the current house
No, no, no, no, no, no, no in some parts of the states and stuff
where you can buy a whole house that you can live in tomorrow
for less than what you'd pay for an empty lot in Chilliwack
I've walked through places around here that seem like they're nicely priced
and then as you're walking through it the
wood in the floor is so rotten and moldy
that you're concerned you're going to fall through the floor and there's just like
doom and treachery around every corner It's
can get pretty sketch on the cheaper end
What are we supposed to be talking about? Oh, right Are they, have they figured things out?
They have, it's working I have verified it's working
It's working! So I'll go through the flow, so if you go on
the lttstore.com site you can click on this banner, which says
View Video on YouTube The video is... Banner, I hardly know her
The video is unlisted, so you're probably going to have to find it through the site
but if you go to the unlisted video that you can click
on the banner on the store to get to you can then see these screwdrivers
which say they're a certain cost but maybe don't worry about that cost
and then you click on it then you add it
to cart and then when you get there
it's discounted, there's two of them here it's discounted
Okay, there were two I was like...
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Okay, cool, yep, that was a
little freak out that I had on That's how it works, is the flow weird? Yes
Yes Does it work? Also yes, double yes
Yeah, yes, yes Yeah, it's going to look like it's
not working, there is a point that you get to in this flow that feels strange
I'm going to point it out You click on, so
let me go back, you're on the video, you scroll down
you click on the thing, it shows this price here you click on the thing, you get there
and I don't see anything going on you know, I don't see any discounts or anything
Well there's a thing down below It says here, but this price
which is what 99% of people are just going to see they're not going to read anything else
looks like that, if you click add to cart and then go to your cart
now it's correct
Yeah, now it's correct because I have gone into my cart
to see it, so you got to have some follow through
it's like a golf swing or something ever compare your sales
pipeline to a golf swing Can't say I've ever compared
anything to golf in any way Oh
Nice What now, huh?
So yeah, they're the same screwdrivers you know and love just dressed in some very fun, very nostalgic
Y2K clear tech colors
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on the store right now, if you've ever seen our Lumafield CT scanner video
this might look a little familiar, it's inspired
by the see-through scans that we get when we put products
in the machine, cool right? That is cool
So we've got, what all do we have on here we have someone wearing a Vision Pro
Oh, right behind the mic, right there we've got a CPU
There it is These are actual scans
out of the Lumafield scanner we've got a little Bredsaurus
plastic toy, we've got a screwdriver in there I think there's a, yep
there's a game controllers you can see like the rumble motors and stuff
um and it's just kind of a cool
all over print hoodie that if people don't look that closely at
they might not even realize that it's like a whole bunch of, a whole bunch of tech and stuff
um LMG.GG
slash all over print, you can check that out there and, and
but wait, there's more! It's finally here
It's finally here the first party bit case
from LTTstore.com there it is
ladies and gentlemen 7, 8
7, 8 30, holds 30 bits
but stop it
stop it, they didn't even see you do that they can't even see you right now
he's over here, he's over here dabbing again
just stop it um
anyway the point is it closes with a magnet and it has one of those little
key things so you can throw a magnetic cable management power bar
holder on it and then you can just like stick it to stuff and
and, but wait there's more
it's been 83 years but we finally
have posidrive for our european friends
this is one of those things where a lot of people don't even realize
that there is a difference and they just grab a phillips bit
when the screw is actually posidrive and then they wonder why it's slipping
or getting stripped turns out, wrong bit
we now have posidrive bits for when you actually need posidrive bits which is more often than you might realize
ikea for instance, i believe uses posidrive
so you can shop both the LTT screwdriver bit case
and the posidrive bits ggslash
posibitcase that is a horrible vanity url
um pozibitcase
anyway what page not found
it was there hold on
what just happened no, not that
no, no, i know but it went it went, i'm so confused
see okay, well we should probably deal with that
whatever, it's probably on the home page please tell me it's on the home page
yeah, there it is okay, nice
posi underscore bit case good enough
we'll figure it out drop table employees
asks why bit holder 30 bits such a missed opportunity to make it 32 bit
i know, right it was the exact same thing
with the um with this one too
i wanted to make the the precision bit set
i wanted to make it 64 bit but it just ended up working out
better to be 60 bit so, i'm sorry, i'm sorry
and i will do better next time next time, that'll be the sequel to both of them
so lots of good stuff on the store this week great time to
you know, pick up the christmas present that you didn't get
we actually, it's now become consistent, i've noticed
that there is a spike on christmas day even if we don't have any promos running
of just like people expected a thing, and they're just like
still sitting on the couch and like yeah, or people spending christmas money
so it's one of the two but it's 100% a thing
that makes sense, i just haven't received christmas money in a long time
yep that makes sense
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that doesn't mean that we don't like making money
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and uh, you know yeah, that's cool
but what we also like a lot is working hard for that money
we really do we so
we so often choose the hard path yeah
so instead of just having you throw money at us
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or anything like that we create what we feel are really
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so, why don't we show you guys how it works um, you go ahead and you go on to the site
you add something to your cart and when you're in your cart, Luke's working on it
he's working on it, he's cooking let him cook
you go ahead and add something to your cart and when we're live, you will see
I meant to click the arrow to go to the next one
yeah, sure, full pitch transparency mode nice
um, okay, there you go merch message, so you write a little message
that will go to producer Dan there he is, stop it
do it right no
I like this stop it
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that will go to producer Dan try again
there it is I'm so triggered right now
who will put your merch message on the screen
like that one that's up there, Tina V what's up
or who will reply to it or who will curate it for me and Luke
to respond to, why don't we show you guys with a couple curated messages how that works
sure, I got one here from Josh hey, Linny, Louis
and Glenn, saying hi from Toronto Toronto
what do you think is the most pressing issue tech is facing
but doesn't get much media attention brain roughification of social media
perhaps there's a decent amount of attention on that
that is probably the biggest single problem nope, nope
let's say the biggest single problem is perverse incentives
okay, so he just he just went one step down
he went to the root yeah, they asked what the biggest problem
it's a good move but it's arguable
that that's the biggest problem with everything yes
yes perverse incentives, they're a huge problem
I mean, we talk about it from like a management perspective
often, like creating KPIs for people that incentivize
completely the wrong behaviors that are destructive to themselves, their department
the entire company that just like
can seem well-intentioned at the time, like you could create
an incentive for someone to you know, I don't know, reply to the most
emails, right, or you know what a great example, Linus Torvald called out
you know, a super visionary tech leader
for valuing lines of code oh man, there was a lot of points
in that video, I watched the whole thing there was a lot of points in that video
where I felt very validated about different stances, that was
very much one of them well, I specifically brought that up on your behalf
you were like, there's a particular member and I was like, yeah!
it was great and so
and by creating, theoretically right, like on the very very
very top crust of the earth surface
the crust is very thin relative to the depth of the earth okay, that seems like
it could be a good idea you want your developers
to like, code a lot right? sure, yeah
sure, passes the initial person should be
doing work, what is work? typy typy, I want lots of
typy typy, yeah exactly but if you were to think about it
for longer than about 4 seconds you might think, oh wait, quantity
is probably not the most beneficial thing to this person, career development
maybe an extremely valuable one of the keys that they could typy typy is backspace or delete
yeah, who knows and so
and so if you think about it you know, you're creating an incentive
for potentially slapdash shoddy inefficient
work and so perverse incentives exist
everywhere and
you know, right now I think that in gaming for instance
gamers have created
a reward system for developers that rewards
forever live service gotcha
embedded ads expensive
loot boxes roster packs, pay to win
and it is human nature to get a reward
and repeat that behavior and the only difference
now is that we're doing it on an industrial
scale you know, I think that the
new business funding machine has created
perverse incentives to target infinite exponential
growth because that's where they get their reward from
and that's where we get bizarre behavior like buying all of the memory in the world
for an entire year
pretty much, Nomad I mean, we were talking a lot about
piracy earlier in the show I think that by
in some cases, pirating
online media we can create perverse incentives
for ever more intrusive advertising
and paywalls and monetization structures because people
expect to be paid for their work which is wild
crazy right
but I think if people had continued to not become immune to banner ads
or block them we might not have ended up with
say something do you remember that audio clip?
I will never forget it what?
man, what is that? I don't even remember what it was for
deeply ingrained in my brain but I don't remember what it's for from
but I know it's like a thing that I've heard it was a banner ad for something
I don't remember what it was but it was an audio banner ad
and it was the most obnoxious one I would
oh my god, my speakers are on sometimes you'd have to find it
and and yeah
and it's one of those things where
on the subject of ad block I never said don't do it I've even showed people how to do it
but what I did say was consider the outcomes
every action we take has consequences
and if you want quality media that you enjoy
if you want quality writing that you like to read
then you may
consider that those things
need financial support to exist
or you may not but then just you know
when we're in the dystopian AI slop future
just you know understand that we all
me, him even him
we all had a part to play in this outcome
and this is really really important okay so put down your keyboards
one moment please this is really really important
we might have ended up there anyway we might have ended up with the intrusive ads
we might have ended up with AI slop all the things
and human jobs being cut we might have ended up there anyway
because corporate greed truly knows no limits but
but we might not have and we'll never know now
yeah so that's cool I think it's somewhat true but also if the incentives
are the opposite where like if you don't support
things that do that the corporate greed will follow
where the incentives are corporate greed is a
guarantee but if we provided incentives
to build high quality products for instance
then the corporate greed would follow that
but we provide incentives to build disposable the cheapest
possible thing and you know that's why
oh boy that's why North American manufacturing
was off-shored
I find it funny that you moved away from the mic is if you're trying to like dodge
off-shored
I mean if I can talk at them maybe they can yell at me through it
you can make speakers be microphones can you make microphones be speakers
um yes I think so
I think if you did it hard enough probably I don't know that they'd be loud but
yeah people are saying yes you can yeah alright so then it could happen
or ruin the mic I don't think they're concerned about that
so um so this is one of those things that it's like we have no
further to look than you know in the mirror
and I'm a participant every single time that I go to the dollar store to buy a
barbeque scraper rather than buy one from smarter every day
I think I've pointed this video out maybe a couple times on wancho
but there is a video by speed like I show speed
no this comes up every time um
barbeque scraper man yep I love that
that's like in some circles what he's known for now
really yeah that is pretty interesting yeah right
can I find this video he did a video on like buying
uh like you know they don't make them how they used
to is that true and it's actually very interesting
if I can even find it which so far I can't
speaking of perverse incentives, youtube titling and thumbnails
we wouldn't do it I didn't even try to search for this
because you know I'm not like
oh this guy does clickbait it's just like it's a standard on the
on the platform now right you like basically have to
uh man where is I don't think it's that
oni highkid says all incentives are perverse and degrade moral integrity
when you make a decision based on only benefits you're not exercising your moral
willpower and it will atrophy over time the starting point of any decision should be
your own moral framework which is cool
cool in theory it's great in theory welcome to companies
and the second that you have a hundred mouths to feed um
and you make it's not even just that the the standard
state for companies is is corporate degree that's how companies work
it's honestly at a certain level how they sort of have to
I mean you don't even have to start there which is why I started with the second you have
a hundred mouths to feed and pivoting your company in some way
will be the difference between a christmas bonus and mass layoffs
then I will ask I'll turn the question around on you and I'll ask
which was the moral choice because the railroad tracks
were your own personal integrity
or all of your employees lined up
tied down on the railroad track
which switch do you pull it's not that simple
but then there are also some layoffs that are super simple
where it's like I don't know stock dollar number go up if fire
large number of people and then I get new boat
I choose boat I would say that's a super nice incentive yeah yeah
a maria says line is taking gambling ads next year confirmed
no we are very far from we are very far from that point
um you know
I do think that's an interesting that's an interesting line though I mean
it's one of those things that I found it
okay Luke hold on before you before you click that yes
if Colton came to us and said basically
you know the industry is getting hit super hard
you know there's no there's no advertising coming in from tech companies
because they can't sell anything anyway because you know literally
like they can't get enough RAM
to sell computers that have RAM in them
hot take I think that's actually a really good decision for them to do but anyways
um you know basically
our revenue is going to be down by 30% we will
have to let go of you know we have some buffer we're not an irresponsibly run
company um and we have
we have done it before and you know to an extent we'll do
it again where we'll we'll cut profits in order to maintain headcount
but we're going to lose 10% of our people we're going to lose 10%
I have a solution we're going to work with
draft kings or you know whatever and they'll basically pay us a guaranteed
you know amount over the course of the year um would you rather
cut 10% of your teams or would you rather take a gambling sponsorship
and to be clear I'm not saying
that you can tell he's agitated because chair shaking is doing the leg thing um
it's a constant state but it ramps up when I'm when I'm agitated
that's for sure yeah and this is all this is all easy for people to say
it's it's all easy for people to take a stance on until
it's someone they know personally right yeah
uh you know good people good people
because the reason why I'm saying good people is this is not one
this is due to global
market factors this this scenario you're laying out yeah is that it's not
because of anyone's individual failure no we just have to cut heads
yep and I mean look this is and this is a hard truth
the head that we cut won't be mine I'm I'll I can absorb some of it
but like it's not going to be like oh let's just like
not have Linus anymore and let's keep everyone else like that's not happening
I do think there's that like uh how the Nintendo executives
dealt with Wii U is just like deeply based
deeply but it also for those who didn't know Nintendo
like slashed executive pay when the Wii U was a failure like pretty
hard and they did not touch to my knowledge they did not touch
I see individual contributor pay
yeah trying to find this I
forget the exact details but basically Nintendo was like hyper based when the Wii U
this is an AI overview thing but this sounds accurate to my memory no I'm going to go find
a source I don't care I'm trying to be fast because it's on the show
but you guys are just going to have to wait while you're waiting for him it's funny
50% layoff for the CEO and 20 to 30% layoffs for
pay cuts not layoffs sorry yeah
50% layoff for pay cuts
oh my god why can't I say this properly
50% pay cut for Satoru Iwata
and 20 to 30% reductions for other executives yeah
super based based that being said you said 30%
rev down
I don't think that would solve well no it wouldn't because
so even if we did that well no that's why I said 30% revenue
down we would have to take a 10% pay cut because I'm assuming that we will
absorb some of it oh yeah okay whatever
but what I'm saying is we can absorb all of it so the choice is
at 30% rev down I don't think we could even if we wanted to it's what I'm trying to
oh yeah no we couldn't that's what I'm trying to communicate like it's not viable we could
for honor's sake pull the and probably would I suspect in this case
pull the Nintendo move but that would
not pull us out of we're still screwed
yeah we still have to do something like you said war chest blah blah blah
and rev is not something a lot of companies can just like take on the chin and keep going
this is like catastrophic yes
yeah yeah like I can I can tell you now
Linus Media Group Incorporated Floatplane Inc. Creator Warehouse Inc.
do not have 30% net profit
yeah so which is fine
but a fact nonetheless but it is a fact
and so if it came to that there is no
well Linus should just make less outcome that is going to be
acceptable doesn't resolve the problem yeah so
I mean and look if you you could just say hey look I hope I never have to make this
choice and I'm not gonna force you to answer the question no I think I have an answer
my point was just that it's hard it's not black and white that was the
point but if you think you have an answer I'm interested
it's tough but I would talk to my teams
I would just be super real about the situation that we're in and
I think what I would do is
yeah I don't know describe the situation describe the problem that we're in
and maybe even end up oh man
I would enthusiastically talk about
the fact that we really don't want to do things like gambling
sponsorships that it goes against the standards that we've set for
ourselves yada yada yada yada yada but that there is no
way that we have been able to find out of this scenario because
again we're in the confines of this thought experiment yeah
there is no other route because we're not we're not saying this is
technical reality we're saying this is the confines of the thought experiment yeah the confines of the thought
experiment is the only path out is either layoffs
or ad sales this is not a reality eliminated every other option
this is not a reality situation so I would talk to the people
discuss potential solutions that we don't want to do the
ad thing but if everyone is like hyper desperate and they're like look
there literally are no jobs I will be homeless if this doesn't happen
then we discuss as a team what that means for
the current job market is like decently realistic could be realistic
and people are talking across the board pay
reductions okay so that's one of those things
that's a great idea until it happens to you yeah so we discovered
something many many years ago when we pretty much
let me interject real quick if the whole group came to that conclusion
that's one thing that is one they won't and that would be with
leaders taking a higher pay cut etc but yeah I don't
think they necessarily would we discovered years ago that running sweepstakes
instead of creating one winner creates a million
losers and it just it generates more negativity than
any positivity out of it could possibly have been generated
and in the same way that if we were to cut 10% of the workforce
we'd be creating 10% low morale
all people who don't work here anymore and if we cut the entire workforce
by 10% we'd be generating the entire workforce low morale
yeah and they would all still work here I think there is great I think there is
technically a way out with the entire workforce
reduction thing if the whole team the entire team
sure rallies behind it and is like okay we will
restore this if we get to whatever state la la la la la
then cool I think that's extremely tough
it's not going to happen already ScrappyDP is taking a stance
that would be incompatible with us crawling our way out of this
out of this whole you'll get 10% less work
yeah I don't know like I said there are specific teams that
could do this that could rally behind this banner and there are certain
teams that would be unable to I don't know where we're at
that's not even part of this conversation matter I can imagine
companies though I can imagine states of different companies too
where they would have been in a spot where that would be totally fine
but I can also imagine companies where
people would be like well I mean I'd rather leave and then it's like okay cool
and then you kind of pivot to a position where it's like alright if we know we have to
do this layoff thing let's do this as like a team and instead of just like blind
siding people let's try to work with you try you can work here until this time
let's work with you full time until then to try to help you get a spot things like that
there are ways out to try to
lessen the blow in this specific scenario where there is no other way out
you're not doing it because of individual performance blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
Crater says pay cuts plus company ownership
percentage could maybe balance out part of the morale blow yeah
the issue is that it just doesn't it just doesn't really work that way
like it's um people ultimately are most impacted
by the things that most impact them directly and that sounds like a kind of stupid
unnecessary thing for me to have to say but it's it's the truth
at the end of the day a whole bunch of people being miserable all at the same time
in theory you know misery loves company and all of that
but it doesn't actually make when we say misery loves company
we don't say that it like makes them happier that everyone's miserable it just
um is something to talk about
you know and it can create a death spiral oh yeah I was going to say I always
interpreted that statement differently I thought misery loves company is because people
who are miserable will like radiate misery
around them oh yeah yeah yeah 100% and um
yeah I don't think we need to go like too much further into this weren't we're not
the the mighty reptar said people are able to be so idealistic when they can just
type in chat yeah it's tough I'm trying to like actually think about actually
being in the scenario and you know emotions are going to end up getting
really really high people are going to end up getting really really mad yeah
fingers is going to happen almost immediately and here's the thing like remember the emotional
response last week when I was talking about the perspective adjustment on RAM pricing
at the end of the day most of the things we buy in a given year are not
RAM and don't have RAM in them yeah um but this was
something that you know especially if okay let's say
because it's all about like like me right now how does this
impact me for most people and that's human I'm not blaming anybody for that
but if you are the person who has been saving up for two years
to finally buy a gaming PC or a steam deck
or whatever it is and you've just been you've had it
yanked away from you it's like yeah grand scheme of things
most things only have RAM as part of their cost
so even if RAM goes up double or triple that didn't double or triple the overall
price of the thing like like you know on numbers on a spreadsheet in a
live chat you know it's it's not that impact for that person
it's the difference between they can buy that thing that
they've been dreaming of for two years and now they cannot
and for some people a 10% pay cut could be the difference
between surviving and not and so
it's easy to say like oh yeah the team should just all agree
on a 10% pay cut to weather the storm and not take you know gambling ads or whatever
but I wouldn't even it's not like I wouldn't understand
that one person who goes I cannot do that yeah totally reasonable
but but Lea Kay in full playing chat said a while back
my my company offered a 5% pay cut as an alternative to
redundancy layoffs and it worked and then there's other people in here saying
that morale at their company has been ruined because of a layoff that happened
due to decreased revenue like there is this is a
no actual good answer scenario there are a lot of those scenarios
in life and realistically someone
is going to be like possibly full on
crash out level livid any answer that you come up with
and you just have to try to work with people to do the best thing you can
and that Sky PDP said it will depend on the organization totally
it's going to depend on the group of people it's going to depend on how that group of people can band together to move past this
it's going to depend on if that group of people even wants to that might be
the core problem in the first place if we're being completely honest
there's so many variables so many different things
and it's a no win scenario
hopefully reduced loss scenario
are you saying a 10% pay cut could bankrupt your employees I don't know possibly
I don't manage their finances no matter how much money you're making
this is exactly what I'm going to say if you look up income
and how much people are living paycheck to paycheck it almost doesn't matter people's expenses
often will just track their income so at the time we bought
this office we were I think our revenues were
over a million dollars a year right
but just because we had that much revenue
if we had had a significant reduction
in our revenue and we were still bringing in
$700,000 a year or whatever that's still a lot of money
but yeah that could have forced us into bankruptcy because we had so many bills
dude Darimp
said I'd happily take a 20% cut to go down to a 4 day work week one of the problems
of this scenario is how are we going to fight our way back to
competitiveness you got to be kidding me that doesn't work
at that point they might as well just lay off yeah and so like buddy who's like you're going to get 10% less
work it's like okay great so now well we're f***ed then because
we're already struggling to compete because at the end of the day
it is competition right like I do genuinely believe that
my fellow tech YouTubers I don't see them as bitter rival competitors
because I do think that a rising tide lifts all ships but in the grand
scheme of things the much bigger picture your ship has to be floating
to go up at the time your eyeballs have a limited amount of
stuff they can look at every day so we do compete
with the Super Bowl we compete with
that you know romantic kindle that is
waiting on your kindle we do we
we compete with your family you know we compete with functionally
every single thing that you do for you wanting to
hang with us on a Friday and do WAN Show instead of
boxing day shopping or doing whatever else it is that you might want to be doing today right
yeah and so if we are failing to
meet target and failing to meet payroll
people you know cutting their output by 10% sure as f**k isn't going to fix it
like very unlikely
we could probably find some efficiency gains in this case as well if this person
doesn't have any ownership stake and just doesn't really care about the company they're at or whatever
totally fair yeah get it
we're not trying to say it's necessarily unreasonable but it's also not going to write the ship
that and there's a
these are uncomfortable conversations because there's no win right and
much like the where's your line with piracy conversation that we had earlier
everyone's going to have a different line of what's okay here which is why
line was don't reduce my pay ever in any circumstance ever I will go somewhere else or reduce
my output and that's fine and someone else is going to have a different line and if your
team has a wild variety of different lines they will
this is going to be tough I don't think it's a guarantee that they will I think
there are teams out there usually smaller teams but I think there are teams out there
that are that's the one that are somewhat in line with how
they think and approach things all right time to speaking of teams
let's talk about the flow plane team we're going to do an early release
of a very special LTT video and we're going to do it
right now okay hold on
what's the special LTT video hold on I'm trying to find the stupid CMS button
there it is excuse me
um
okay I don't actually see it
I think it's supposed to be oh wow there's a bunch of videos here
control F for Kindle oh hey there it is
my son wanted a Kindle so I made him test them all
this is it folks this is the future
potentially it's up
it's posted I'm very
I'm excited to watch this I'm very interested what people think the very first
video not just hosted because he's been on camera
before but actually written by Linus
jr and I gotta say the link in the
dock was directly to the video why did you even look for it
look you're talking to the same guy that managed to accidentally filter gmail
addresses from his email so Dell partner laptop
that kind of show yeah
did you leak anything by going through all those posts by the way no I don't think so okay
that's cool I mean they're just videos that are coming by but yeah
yeah what doesn't matter
yeah I don't know I don't know what's coming down the pipeline maybe there's
embargo things maybe there isn't no no there's nothing embargo okay cool yeah should be fine
nice good to know but yeah dude
so cool
he he told me he was you know he's
become more interested in the family business over time
and and he told me he wanted to host a video
because he had a lot of fun doing the I'll buy my son any gaming
PC which was or any gaming handheld for his birthday one and
that was I think his first time being on camera solo when he did like the interview
portions of it and he was interested in it I basically went well look
I'm not gonna just like nepotism
you you don't just get to like run this company doesn't work
like that the audience won't accept it the team won't accept it I won't accept
it it doesn't work like I'll nepotism a shot but I will give him a shot
exactly seems very reasonable to me and I basically said okay
well I'll tell you what then no you can't just
host a video because that's the easiest possible layup
that I could give you we're not gonna do that but what you
can do is if you will if you'll write it if
you'll go through the process and I gotta give some credit to Mr. Nicholas
Ploof for being kind of a mentor coach for Randy
during this period
you'll go through the process and your assignment will be the least
glamorous thing that I can possibly think of
you will make a video on the new Kindle
and and and it wasn't just make that work it's a good
it's a really good sign and it wasn't just it wasn't just that I was choosing
like the most you know boring thing that I possibly could it was also something
that I know that he has personal experience with he reads a lot
and he reads physical books he reads on his
phone using the Kindle app and he reads on a Kindle
and so I was like okay well here's the new color soft here's a current
gen paper white here's both of our old
we have an old paper white and we have an old before it was paper white just like Kindle
the same one I did a video on like 10 years ago I want I will
lay out I should find the doc because I basically lay it out okay like
you know what is good about it what is bad about it what do other people like what do I
like what do other people not like what do I not like and I kind of laid out all the
questions kind of like a school assignment and I kind of went if you answer
all of these questions plus
contribute any little insights that might spring into your mind as you go
I think you will have enough bones for a good video that
our talented writing team and I can help you get this over the line to a
standard of quality that will be acceptable for LTT and he
did a really good job
nice like really good I'm genuinely excited to watch I'm going to spoil
the best line in the video don't do that no I'm going to spoil it because I think no I think
because that's how that's how previews work that's how modern media
just tell people the best part but I asked him
this as I was reviewing the script I went is this your line or was
this like something ploof added and he goes no no
yeah that was me and I asked ploof to I was like was this you he's like no
I don't think so I didn't actually change that much and I went oh okay interesting
and so in the conclusion he's talking about how the color soft is is pretty
expensive and you know the colors aren't that vibrant
but on the other hand going back to this
you know holding up the black and white one for you know comics and
manga and like like color media feels like
watching a fireworks display on a black and white TV
I was like
that's really good
that's a that's a good line right yeah why would even know
I would even think about black and white TVs and the fireworks display
the fireworks yeah why fireworks great line
it's a great line what the heck right
right huh and he doesn't seem like the type of person to just
LLM it oh no so that's actually just his line
I weird yeah cool but also
strange that is such a succinct way
it's great yeah it's like yeah you know it's not the most
vibrant color but going back to this is like it's a
generational gap in experience right writer dunked on by you
and now I'm going to get writer dunked on by your son that's so annoying
hahaha
smart kid and
anyway he did a really great job the hosting was pretty tough but
what's fun about the hosting was I realized
very early on in the coaching that I was doing with him that
right I've been meaning to do this because I'll do little
host coaching clinics once in a while we actually uploaded one of them that I did with
tap and Ryan Schraut back when they were here for the Intel arc
not an internal one but those guys yeah yeah and people
responded really positively to like Linus hosting tips
and so we're doing I asked our camera
operator I think it was Andrew I asked him to roll the whole time
and then I gave it over to Sammy to do a Floatplane exclusive
of me basically coaching my son on how to
host a video because he had no idea what he was doing Sammy said that extra will be up on Monday
on full plane that's cool yep
and it's funny because I don't realize how many little things
there are until I watch someone try to do it and I'm just like
okay hold on a second your emphasis words you're picking the wrong emphasis words
here's how you choose an emphasis word and
there's you know it's obviously still his first time but from the beginning of the
video to the end of the video there was like a market change
so if you're looking to improve your on-camera presentation skills
or even in person presentation skills maybe check out strongly recommend it
that's going to be an extra over on Floatplane so Sammy says on Monday
that's cool just which is pretty and cool which pretty cool
okay while we're over on Floatplane check out Luke week two yeah
where we had three exclusive centering around two week
I don't know
does it say that yeah that's what it says in there okay well there's a
Q&A video there's a 36 minute Q&A video there's
a one hour long effectively podcast with Riley where we talk about
AI stuff cool and then there is the the gaming
video how a new studio made the multiplayer game
of the year okay cool so you guys can check that out lots of Luke exclusives
and then what else we got
oh or maybe you want some more insights from this week's releases you can check out our closer look series
where Alfred our film production manager and Jordan go over the new ShortCircuit
with a set with facts that didn't make the final cut and some cut footage
from Mitchell's AMD upgrade all this and our entire back catalog at LMG.gd.fp
when I didn't watch them too much because it's Christmas week but you can get extras
there for when you do watch them heck yeah there you go
heck yeah views have been pretty slow this week yeah um but the last month
we've actually been like pretty good pretty like solid like like
we're back baby yeah but it's so volatile now it's crazy
it's also crazy that I saw what was happening this week and was like that's
probably fine yeah because that is not the reaction that would have happened before
yeah which I don't know maybe that's healthy I don't necessarily think so
though I don't know because you can't tell how rocky the ship is anymore
yeah which is like not good man YouTube
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about the worst gifts you've received for Christmas
I mean as a little boy it was always clothes for me
they were the worst oh I love getting socks well I know so I didn't
no I didn't say socks I say socks okay just like my sock enjoyer too
I don't know just like random sweatpants and shirts especially
when it was nice clothes because I never wore nice clothes like people would try to give
me like Sunday best they try to change your preferences based on
gifts that's not a fun one and then I'm just like nope
I feel like mine have always been pretty good
I forget what it is my family's like pretty sick when it comes to presents I suspect the
worst thing I've ever received has been like a book I already had
like I am sorry I'm not a good target for this yeah
I'd say like I probably notice it more
like for my kids like we had a family function this year where
a lot of care and attention went into certain
individuals that were of the same relationship
sort of tree to people
that were not made for my kids and I don't think my kids noticed
but I did that's cool that you didn't notice that's not very cool
yeah but I'd say
yeah I'd say that was more
yeah it's not really like me at that point no I think
the gifts that try to change you are probably the big one
I got a wrench in a tackle box one year I was nine
which you know for some nine-year-olds might
have been sick might not have been in this case
I guess I remember creating a Christmas list
that was basically five video games that I wanted and then explicitly
not receiving any video games
from my parents who
didn't like me playing video games and I was like right but like
it would have been less irritating if they weren't so
proud of the great choice they made and wanted me to be really excited
about it when I was like we got you a new petticoat
I want a gull of duty what I really wanted was Warcraft 2
I've definitely been I think this is a fairly standard in my household
so I don't think I'm going off the wall here but normally Christmas lists
are a highly respected
fallback almost unless you say otherwise
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oh you didn't naturally without really much effort
find anything therefore you can come to this list so if you go off the list it's like totally chill
and off the list is fine as long as it isn't passive aggressively trying
to change you totally it's a big part of that point
yeah yeah yeah for sure which I don't think I've ever received one of those
which is my whole thing where like I'm not I just I think I'm a bad target
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it means that it means that
it's fine it's fine it means that my sister has a baby
it is what it is but I definitely
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to be mummified which is what it is
I've had babies too and when I had babies
there were bits of food everywhere in my house too it's okay
it's okay
like soon alright
we already did this topic I understand we did almost none of the topics
yeah how that happened how does this always happen
I'm effectively almost out of time how does it happen Luke
to be fair I have seen zero complaints
sometimes it just do be how the show work
is anyone watching it though does anyone like the WAN Show
huh we should just not have topics then
yeah no one cares I think I can tell you guys to shut up
and move on more if you want
that's the opposite yeah Dan
don't even suggest it we did it
you did you know what I
I got you I tracked
how about you shut up and move on how about you shut up and move on
I can't even merge messages okay what do we
what do we want to do topics I guess
well no here okay how about this how about this Dan
do you have any curated merge messages that are specifically
for Luke I have one if I remember correctly
let's do that real quick Styles okay
I need to quickly well you do that I'm going to talk
about the North Korean infiltrator who was caught working in Amazon's IT
department thanks to keystroke delay oh yeah
Amazon says they caught a fake US based IT hire
after noticing unusual keystroke lag on the employees work laptop
which suggested the person wasn't actually working from the United States
after investigating the company concluded the worker was based in North Korea
and attempting to funnel money back to the regime through remote
work according to Amazon's security chief the delay tipped them off
that the laptop was being remotely controlled from overseas the company shut down the
account after a few days and says it has blocked thousands of similar attempts in
recent years often involving North Korean workers applying through US based
contractors as proxies yep the discussion question
is as remote work becomes more common how should companies balance trust
privacy and security when monitoring employees what a great discussion question
Dan go ahead and hit Luke with that merge message sure
hi pirates DLL love the show my co-founder
is about to become a dad Luke how did you
handle Linus becoming a father with the toughest part and Linus
what about people pirating your content
yeah I don't know uh I don't I don't actually
know necessarily what the first part of that question means like it's not what
I think they assume that you are working together more closely and Linus
became a dad and you know yeah I guess we didn't know each other that
well like he hadn't moved in yet but uh me having
a kid definitely impacted Luke more than most colleagues would I mean
yeah Randy crying at night literally so loud literally
kept Luke away so he was
he was a difficult baby he's making it up to us now because he's
a great loud speaker
food powered loud speaker um I don't know dude
uh there's a certain amount of things where it's just like
was I gonna stop working with him over that no therefore
is there really much left to think about I don't know
and I'm not trying to be you know offensive to the to the person
asking the question I just someone said why would Luke be affected
I mean I technically was but like uh
was it a bad way
like this is something that Linus wanted he still worked hard
and a lot I don't know
there's there's people in around you will make decisions
and do things in their lives that indirectly affect you to a certain
degree and you just have to not care for the most part
like it's or like find the good or decide
if this thing that they have done is too far for you and then just detach
Luke with the controversial live and let live take over yeah to be honest
I can't believe how controversial that has become
I guess live and let live is totally a thing and the world could use a little
bit more of it and like yeah his room shared a wall with mine and he cried a lot
and was really loud I also got really cheap rent and great food for free
it was technically wasn't there yeah there was technically
rent technically it like didn't cover the food let alone
it didn't make any sense if I were to use 200 bucks a month and I got
free food every meal insane and it was cooked
by someone else I didn't even have to cook it his salary also wasn't much at that time
because we just like did not have any money at that time yeah so
you know but like but I also strapped in knowing that no idea
how much of that was legal right oh not all of it
definitely not all of it I think we were paying monthly at that time too
I think so instead of bi-weekly I don't know yeah I mean again another thing
where it's just like I can make a big deal over this or
or I cannot which is an option
yeah I don't know it is possible so yeah it affected me I got slightly
worse sleep but I mean that's a constant throughout my entire
life but he still got his decent computer on a regular cadence I did
I did computer was good so that deal is still you know it's still alive
yeah hey speaking of
deal still being alive and the deal may be changing
this is probably the last major topic that Luke needs to be here for but
oh right how does Linus react to people pirating I think I remember the first time
there was a torrent of scrapyard wars being pretty amused also there
was some really annoying stuff at the beginning yeah there was some very
trying to start a new incredibly small
startup company thing and there was multiple attempts to just rip the whole
thing off over and over and over again it was very frustrating
so yeah I think it was a combination of feeling like we've made it
because we're important enough for people to pirate but also
being like yeah you know we're not like a giant media conglomerate really hard
like pay developers and stuff like we're sick just didn't do this yeah yeah so
both yeah okay so this is it
this is the last when show in its current
form oh really I have to
leave now I thought you had to go in like 20 minutes and no like five
oh awkward really
sorry I thought I said the week after next week I meant
next week from now we'll talk about it next week
are you kidding me you just dated that no no we'll talk about it next week
browser extensions oh my god
find boom.me everything's gonna be fine
everything's gonna be fine browser extensions
we will miss you guys stop everything's gonna be fine
everything's gonna be fine it's been a good run
browser extensions are selling your conversations for advertising purposes
several popular several popular
browser extensions with more than 8 million total users
have been caught collecting and selling full AI chat conversations
according to security researchers at COI the biggest offenders
include urban VPN proxy one click VPN proxy
urban browser guard and urban ad blocker available on both the Chrome Web Store
and Microsoft Edge add-ons together these extensions intercept
conversations with chatbots even when VPN or ad blocking
features are disabled despite advertising
privacy and AI protections the extensions inject scripts
that copy entire conversations and send them to servers that are tied to the developers
where the data is used for marketing analytics the only way to stop the collection is to disable
or uninstall the extensions entirely several of them were even marked as featured
by Google and Microsoft raising questions about extension store oversight
wow that's pretty rough
did you do it on purpose no
I thought we had like 20 minutes I asked you for a hard out
and you said soon yeah
that means like 8 to 12 months
working here I'm currently messaging to make sure
but like the original hard out was 1145 which is in 3 minutes now
Google has closed compatibility for the Sega Dreamcast's
25 year old web browser killing it
4 people cried out in terror
and then were silenced what I can't figure out is how they killed it
what did they do, what changed I've looked up like a couple different articles on this
I haven't done enough research but like
what did Google do what caused this to happen
Big G's services no longer respond but that doesn't mean that they killed the web browser
I mean probably killed it a little
yeah probably killed it a little there are still apparently fan supported search engine
and game servers that do work on the Dreamcast which is pretty crazy
our discussion question here is do you think it's important for modern web companies to maintain compatibility
with like quarter century old devices what is an appropriate length of support
about this right I don't think that either Luke or I
is in the camp that whether it's a game developer or whether it's a
service provider that you're obligated to support
stuff forever that doesn't have an ongoing forever payment
we just the part that we disagree
about with the current way that the industry does things is that we think there should be
a path to users maintaining it themselves if it's so
important to them and this mostly applies I think to
game servers for instance if there's a way for it to go self-hosted or to hand over the code
to the community to continue to run it then we're totally fine with them saying hey yeah this is
not financially viable anymore because businesses gotta
survive um
what what oh nothing
you look like you're making a face so yeah downer but also I totally
get it I don't think that I would fire up a dream cast tomorrow with the expectation that the web
features would would work
I think we what hello is the expected time
still the same
okay bye is chat asking you to try to push it or what
no I was trying to figure it out because sometimes schedule things move and whatnot
ah yes but and they weren't responding to messages I sent them quite a few
ah yes probably driving or something really probably very reasonable yeah it makes
sense but but not responding anyways um I called and now I know that I do
have to leave cool good
you know that's probably where I got noon from it's probably your arrival
time not your departure time that's probably true
so whoops I might have even just said noon at one point because that
might have been what it was at one fact um there was also an arrival
versus departure time
and I missed my flight
so that was cool I went down
to Cabo for Christmas I decided I shouldn't say I
Yvonne and I decided to do something absolutely crazy
this year and we treated um
my siblings and so's and kids and her
sibling and so and kids to
ah four days in Mexico for for Christmas so it was a pretty
sick pretty incredible experience a lot of fun
um as siblings we've we've all been like
busy you know and it's it's easy to take family
for granted but I think that um losing my sister
uh really sharpened
my focus on the
the speed with which things that you
assume that you've had your whole life and you assume will always be there can be
stripped out of your life and so we um
yeah so we kind of surprised everyone and we went
hey guess what we're we're doing it let's let's do
it we're doing something crazy and it was a lot of fun we we did it all inclusive
just because when you've got like over a
dozen people my god coordinating every stupid meal
especially with young kids there's a lot of young kids so like uh no
but I think you just run over and grab some food when they want it or whatever like cool makes life
a lot easier we did go off resort once you got to go go
yeah okay okay speaking of family and uh do you want to just call me to do the thing
do what thing at the end oh yeah yeah sure okay sounds good all right cool see you later
okay see ya anyway yeah we we went down we we did
one cool excursion that was oh no
just leave the thing no I don't I don't like it just framed on me I actually
I I sent a note to one of the editors one of our one of our videos recently
just had like too much zooming in on me I'm
pushing 40 dude I we don't need to be zoomed that close in on me anymore
this is a good this is a good framing I need
to take more more Polaroid pictures you know
well okay Dan's doing something here shoot I don't have the pictures
on uh thank you for that Dan that's that's incredibly
helpful I don't have the pictures on this phone I took along a separate
um a separate phone for for pictures and videos and stuff because we're actually going to be
uploading a like a family vlog from it um
and we did this like turtle release thing here why don't you just be
my co-host now we'll just drag you over there oh yeah you're good
but you can just you can just move the window over there uh so yeah we did this
um there's a there's a turtle conservation group
that allows you to go and without disturbing
anything like you're not allowed to touch the baby turtles and you're not allowed to interfere
with them imprinting on the beach where they were born because they have to come
back in order to okay that's an option too
sure um anyway so it's like a conservation
thing but you can do like uh you can do like a turtle
release into the ocean thing so you hold a like born
that day turtle in a bowl so you don't touch it so you don't hurt it
and you don't get any bacteria on your hands and then you like tip the bowl
and they and you watch them like crawl into the into the waves
and they were saying that um thanks to the work that they're doing the survival
rate goes from they estimate about one in a thousand reach adulthood in the wild
to they say about six to seven in a thousand because they'll go
out of their way to um to release them at times
when there's not a lot of seagulls and they'll uh they kind of oversee it
so they're less likely to get picked off on the way uh to the
beach from the from the nest which is pretty cool did I just do it again
for crying out loud um yeah
that literally came up during the presentation before we did the
release thing now that I think about it uh was some little kid
who you are now on on par with in terms of your your joke
quality um was like six seven
everyone kind of went because it's over now it's a six seven party is
officially completely over has been for six seven
weeks at this point um
lg is responding swiftly to user
backlash will allow users to remove the microsoft
copilot link from their tv's there's a whole topic that was written on this
but I think that that's probably um all we need to say
basically it's not a built-in tv app it is just a shortcut to microsoft's
outlet web app that opens in the tv's browser and um
sorry about that also the microphone input was only able to activate with
explicit user consent we're not sure when you'll be able
to delete it but it will be able to be deleted so that's good thank you lg
for responding to the outrage in a way that is acceptable
very nice very nice uh no no yes I know
you can only hide it shraft 2k but they're changing that that's why we're bringing it up
uh okay yeah this is something
you know what let's push the reboot
rewind update to next week we can do that sure okay
next week yeah sorry I'm getting a lot of merge messages
today uh yeah I know screwdrivers are very
very popular for some reason well people really like
they've been so excited for them people like screwing it's it's how the whole
human race survived all these millennia that's true some
yep they're kind of you know I've certainly read about that yep
read the articles about it right and the economist um
um why don't we just do merge messages ah you know what
no let's go through this last one okay china's 10 cent gains access to the
band NVIDIA blackwell b200 chips by leveraging a
rental loophole in us export controls 10 cent is apparently
accessing an NVIDIA's most advanced ai chips by renting computing power
overseas rather than buying the hardware directly according to a financial
times report the chips are housed in data centers in japan and australia and
owned by a japanese company called data section which rents the gps to customers
through long-term contracts this arrangement allows 10 cent to legally
sidestep us export restrictions that block NVIDIA's top
chips from being sold into china data section has signed more than 1.2
million dollars in contracts tied largely to 10 cent and now
controls around 15 000 NVIDIA blackwell gpus
rapidly turning the company into one of asia's largest so-called neocloud
providers data section says demand is so high that even
regulatory changes wouldn't hurt much as its CEO put it access to
high end GPU capacity is a very sexy asset
oh man yeah our discussion question is should companies be allowed to legally work around export
controls by renting computing power overseas or do you feel this undermines the purpose
of those restrictions i mean obviously it undermines the purpose of the restrictions
but it just is the latest of many
many many examples of times when
legislation just doesn't
move as fast as technological innovation
and in some cases i end up being really
glad that it doesn't but in other cases it's obvious
that it is interfering with the abilities of governments to
manage their their resources and
i yeah i don't i don't know sort of if i'm rooting for them to be able
to do that better so a lot of the time i really do think that it has been a benefit
to the consumers but in other cases where the innovation
is not a benefit to consumers like or i shouldn't say ai is
not a benefit to consumers but where it is
largely impacting consumers in a negative fashion with all the
data harvesting and the you know encouragement to
you know off themselves of users and the romantic entanglements
and all the all the things that have not been properly studied about this ai rollout
i do feel like legislation would move a little bit faster is there
a reason that luke's photo is in black and white and everyone
is saying rip luke in the chat Floatplane is asking for it
i i don't know you do know that they are not your boss
but they do funny things sometimes i mean they do
definitely do funny things okay after pay respects Floatplane chat
uh he's not dead he's at christmas di
okay um
cool good chat
i mean it's true we love luke we do we do we do love
luke um
stop you're gonna make me think the stream's gone down why don't we do some merge
messages sure we're going to when after dark let's do that
although it just feels like when dark now
uh let's see there's the button
holy crap there's still a ton of incoming merge messages
yes um it's been quite heavy today
alright let's see what we've got here did we do this one
yes we did hey dll asses last year so i'll ask again now
what 2026 releases are you most looking forward to
oh man if you'd asked me this like
a month and a half ago right like i might have said
oh yeah month and a half ago
i'd have probably said steam frame
because i'm just like i'm a vr nerd i'm really looking forward to
um not having a tether i think it's gonna
legitimately make me use it more like if i could just bring a dongle
with me and play lighter vr games on like my strict halo laptop
man how cool is that like i can like no
no lighthouses to set up i don't know man it's
flipping cool but i'm i'm deeply worried
about what pricing is going to be like for the steam machine
for the steam frame for basically anything
that is going to be coming out in 2026 unless
the bubble crashes um
like i okay i think that video that we did
uh where where david and i sort of
reverse engineered what the pricing will be of the steam machine i think it's out
i i think i think there's no way we got it right
because we kind of assumed that the market had already priced in
the lack of availability that was upcoming but it looks like that is not
the case and things are going to continue to get worse server
um we also haven't accounted for the
potential price increases on GPU's like i didn't think it was going to be so
bad that we weren't going to be able to get enough GDDR um
oh speaking of which we haven't done our weekly b580
check guys seriously GPU's are going to go up
if you can still get the home my god you can still get it if you need a GPU
like a decent GPU right now go for it
um i forget what our new egg affiliate link is Dan can
you throw it in the chat oh i people also don't know no float planes already
posting it oh they're so good it's LMG.gg
slash new egg guys if you need a GPU
you will thank me that you picked
up a b580 before pricing went stupid because even
though Intel is rumored to be announcing the b770
like at ces or sometime very soon um what i suspect
is that they will build in the RAM shortage pricing
to that new one and they may even make adjustments to the
b570 and the b580 i don't know any of this for sure which is
why i'm able to speculate on it without you know breaching any kind of
nondisclosure agreement um but i strongly suspect
that if you don't pick up this onyx lumie arc b580
with 12 gigs of GDDR 6 for 239
99 now with the Intel holiday
bundle which is i remind you
battlefield 6 pick one of
battlefield 6 assassins creed shadows dying light the beast
or sydmire civilization 7 you get this card
with this amount of RAM for 240 us dollars
and you get a full price triple a game
you will not be finding a better deal
i'm gonna say it next year i i really don't think so
it's possible it's possible but i i really
sincerely doubt it so now is a really good time to pick up one of these
and uh and get a get a decent GPU for a decent price i mean
what even is 12 gigs of RAM worth right now
okay so let's go with like a somewhat equivalent you know what's
16 gigs of DDR5 so around 200 dollars right now
for 16 gigs of RAM so you're getting 12 gigs
of RAM which let's call 150 dollars
right you're getting battlefield for which is let's call
50 bucks so 200 dollars you're basically paying
40 dollars for an arc b580 GPU
okay crazy
crazy there's no way that Intel can be making money on that
die and those vrms and that cooler at that point
like i just just do it someone says that was 2 by
16 yes and i did a really amazing thing where i took
the price and i cut it in half to represent 16 gigs of RAM
to be 200 dollars ish it was cool you did math
on purpose? i know right hi
binus book and ban i'm working on ownership
of an amazon dsp and need advice on balancing
employee care with managing razor thin margins
in the early stages of the company hello from vegas
oh it's hard man i don't think
we've ever found the right balance and i think even
if we found the right balance there would be people who don't agree
we're finally doing it we're finally working on how does LMG
spend money which people have asked for every single time
we've done how does LMG make money and what i can tell you
is that when we get down into the
the details of you know yeah like how much
of it goes to taxes how much of it goes to
net profit for investment for next year
for shareholder dividends
when we get into these details i guarantee you
that even though we are well under
what many of the companies you don't hate take for profit
there will be people who are mad about it there's going to be people that say
well you should have done more there's people that would look at your question
and say well you know you're the owner
it should be 100% employee care and then there's going to be other people
that you ask on the more business monster side that are going to say
none of that matters outsource to cheaper labor
and get your margins up right away or i don't know
it's just like the conversation we had earlier
where people are not going to
agree on this everyone's going to have a completely different
line
oh wait there was one thing i was going to say
an important part of it though is communication with your team
laying out very clearly what the reward is
and what it can be and then following through on that
if you're asking people to make any kind of personal sacrifice okay sorry go ahead
sure thing for Linus do you feel like you will ever
find a phone that you will be happy with it seems like with each phone you find
nitpicks or issues do you think having too many
so many opportunities to upgrade effects i assume this
no if anything i mean i think i probably upgrade my phone
less than almost any other electronics youtuber who covers
phones i try not to i really don't like it i mean
i've used the note 9 for like 4 years or something like that
or 3 years will i find one that i'm happy with
i mean as long as designs continue to
and no i don't think so because a lot of the
direction of the mobile phone industry just runs counter to
what i like and want out of my devices i'm
pretty happy with this one but like i'm not going to lie and say that it
didn't immediately stop folding completely flat like literally
the second day i had it unless i you know give it the old
you know over fold
why why is that like why is that acceptable why is that
normal
the like i'm trying to think what else like
some of the stuff that i encountered on the iPhone was just like it's just baffling
to me that it's that it's not that it's not you know fixed
oh man there's a video coming soon i actually was
dailying an iphone air and then an iphone 17 and then i dabbled
with the iphone 17 pro max over
the last almost almost two months i think this is the longest i've been iphone in a while
and there were some things that were really good really good
and then there were also things that were just like infuriating
so yeah nitpicks and issues no i think if anything it comes down
to that it's my job to find things that are really
good and find things that are not as good and i also
tend to be a pretty busy person so i think i have a higher sensitivity
to unnecessary interactions and
an intuitive design than most people would because
it's my job to get intimately familiar with the device
really really quickly and especially when it doesn't follow
that same companies established
rules for interaction it just
kind of drives me nuts because i do understand that a lot of products these days
are just sort of designed by committee and there's these
huge teams that oftentimes will barely even talk to each other but
that doesn't mean that it will stop driving me crazy that
you could have a flagship Android phone that for years
didn't support a feature on youtube which is owned by google which
androids also managed by google
in this case it was youtube stories that just simply wasn't supported on it
guys this is a software switch that you can just flip just enable
stories on tablets or stop classifying this
phone as a tablet do one of those two things and let the feature
run free why are you maintaining two different versions of the app
oh i do not have the pebble on right now
i'm actually finally yes finally
doing it it's either going to be short
circuit or it's going to be LTT but i'm trying a Garmin smartwatch
so pebble i shot the ShortCircuit last week and then bell's been
chasing me to do this Garmin one for quite a while
hey Dan and the other two my question is how to reignite the passion
for games it's hard to find the childlike wonder again
i wonder if you have any tips to break the monotony hi from camloops
like so many things it's all about people it's all about
relationships humans are we're super complicated but we're also
kind of simple right like we love novelty so
if your hope was that you're going to recreate
that um that experience that you'd never had before
again it's not going to work like that so if what you loved about games was
was novelty um that's going to be tougher to recreate but there's
other levers you can pull there's nostalgia uh i had an absolute blast
i put dozens and dozens of hours into this roguelite hockey game called
tape to tape i haven't been playing it as much lately i should probably check in
and see how it's going the developer super cool canadian surfers game
um seemed really passionate and it reminded me
of playing like an hlpa 93 uh but
you know fun and modern and with kind of a new
with a new twist on it um so you know nostalgia can be a really good
one uh another great example of that is how many
incredible like um pixel art like
16-bit pixel art games there are that sort of emulate the style of classics like
final fantasy 6 chrono trigger um a couple that
sort of stood out to me sea of stars seems like they were a really passionate
team uh i quite enjoyed the game i didn't think it was quite as good as
people kind of made it out to be it was a little shallow in terms of the
gameplay and i won't say much about the story but i will say
that there were just aspects of it that um you know whatever but the
music is incredible the art is beautiful
um it was absolutely worth a playthrough if you enjoy
uh if you enjoy that that art style if you enjoy um that
era of gaming another really good one this one i cannot recommend
enough what a beautiful game so
incredibly well written uh crosscode um
radical fish i think is coming out with their next game like soon-ish
uh but in the meantime you should definitely pick this up it is
just an outstanding outstanding game uh and then
what's what's the last one that i that i really really enjoyed um
16-bit pixel games
bit bit bit bit oh man uh
i'm trying to remember what it was
there was another really good one that i played a little while ago where the the writing
got kind of silly after a bit um but
in like uh in like an anime way that a lot of people will probably like
i can't remember well i will i'll have to i'll have
to get that for you guys another time but it's like turn-based combat world exploration
no no one's uh no one said it yet
well anyway yeah so so yeah so nostalgia can be
can be a really good way to kind of reignite the the passion finding something that is
both new and and has reminders of old uh another really big one
would be just people uh a huge
part of what i enjoyed so much about playing tape to tape was socializing
so using it as a way to connect with people whether they're part of your life now
or whether they're people that used to be part of your life i'd say that gaming
chain decos that's the one thanks crater chain decos also also really
cool uh definitely enjoyed the combat of chain decos a little
bit more than um than sea of stars
i played them both like back to back around the same time
chain decos is super cool how is this so cheap chain decos is
10 us dollars right now winter sale
heck yeah steam being mean to everyone's wall
it's yeah dude it's so good yeah it's really good
anyway a couple more yeah connecting with people that that'll probably
help get you get you back into it playing games with my kids is lots of fun although now that
my son is so much better than me and my girls
still aren't good enough to like compete it's hard
to play like competitive games with them but it's still it's still great
to just enjoy you know stories um also also with the wife we
we played unravel too recently and we played uh it takes to a little while back
people happy holidays
tech gents love the new screwdrivers great for gifting
what is one of your tech pet peeves
workers smashing their mobile pay kiosks into my phone for
tap to pay is mine cheers oh
man a tech pet peeve i'd say the biggest one for me
in my daily life has got to be password autofill that just like
doesn't work that doesn't detect
the right app or the right website like it it feels like it it works
every time 75% of the time and when it works
dude password autofill and pass keys oh man pass keys i was talking about this
before the show pass keys are such a
failed promise man like in theory they were
supposed to make it so that i didn't have to do like passwords and two factor
because the whole thing was
supposed to be just like this thing that is on me that i have already
authenticated i'm using and it this is my one factor my thing i have
and then um the thing that i am
is supposed to be the biometric authentication that was supposed to be it and i'm
supposed to just automatically log into everything in practice i went to log into something
that used a pass key before the before the show started
and what is it so i have to enter i had to enter my password that i've memorized because
it is my like single sign on one so i had to enter my password
and then in order to authenticate that i had to
um unlock my phone to
so i had to click scan qr code i'm going to do it that way then i had to unlock my phone then i had to
click it then i had to say what i was logging into then i had
to biometrically authenticate again then i had to click yes and then it was
like seven steps later i might as well have just typed an eight character password at that
point it's ridiculous um
so i'd say that's definitely more mine and the last one i have
today question for Linus from a fellow motorcyclist
have you written the Suzuki GSX 8S
spiritual successor to your sv6 50 love seeing
a live wancho merry christmas from scotland hey thanks
merry christmas to you too scotland no i haven't this thing looks
sick though like damn this
thing looks awesome um
oh look at that
dang there's so many cool bikes i wish i was allowed to get a motorcycle
my mommy says no um
yeah wow this looks awesome no this had completely
um this had completely flown
under my radar
oh here we go uh
okay is it a v-twin or is it an inline does anyone know
anyone beuler
uh well i'll wait for i'll wait for someone to respond in chat but no that thing looks
sick i haven't been on my i haven't been on my
sv and we're coming up on like three years but the paint job is done
but there's really bad news about the paint job um
i don't think that my base color layer
adhered properly to my primer layer on some of the parts and i think it's
basically just gonna like crack off after a season or two
which is uh deeply
disheartening i you know i tried
i tried to do my i tried to to learn
the air sprayer and i i tried to learn all the coatings and i tried
to have the right conditions and everything but i think i just got caught
one day when maybe i didn't get the temperature right or maybe i didn't get the mix right
and it just it just didn't adhere uh so some of the
parts are fine to the point where they're like so hard to strip that i
like destroyed a part once trying to strip paint off of it and redo it
because i screwed up the uh the effect layer and then others are
just like oh my god these are just gonna these are just gonna flake off so
i think i'm probably only gonna get a couple of seasons out of it it was a fun learning experience
and then i think next time around i've actually got uh i got a buddy who
is into badminton and also runs a paint shop i'm just gonna be like hey danny
uh this time can i just come into your shop and do
like a couple hour session with you and maybe use your shop and maybe
here's a few bucks or some free time at smash champs or something and let's work
out a tit for tat and i'll maybe i'll just you know
do something else let danny do it no that's no fun
yeah that that's boring that's boring i want to ride around on a
bike that i painted so maybe next time around will be a gsx 8s what what do these
cost anyway oh i never i never check chat is it a v-twin or is an inline
somebody in twitch had said parallel twin i don't know if they're
lying to you uh
msrp starting from question mark what the devil
does that mean prices of products on the cider manufacturer
suggested but blah blah blah yeah yeah yeah i get it you might have to build one out but you
didn't give me one oh
oh okay hold on hold on location british columbia
dude man bikes are oh man the hell that's like new
yeah eleven thousand dollars to be clear is a lot of money i guess you only
get two wheels but that's canadian dollars so this is like this is like eight
eight grand or something like that and like man compared to
compared to four wheel vehicles you can
you can buy so much you can buy so much fun on a bike
compared to a four wheel vehicle for the price like good lord
dude oh wow that's a
that's a big engine i didn't clue in that the eight was eight hundred
uh cc's
more there's two hundred more than cappuccino seven hundred and seventy six
cc's
i don't know guys do you really want me to be like the the game dev guy
who died recently because i 650 was already
frickin a lot from immense got ride by wire
abs low RPM assist interesting
for smoother and easier starts okay that i don't know if i need as much but
sure damn this thing looks so cool
all right i'm gonna i'm gonna um
you know not buy it though maybe
thing looks sick uh okay
uh oh is that it that's all i got for you
oh wow okay well hey uh one last one last
shout out guys now is a great time to head over to LTT Store
our priz magic screwdrivers for a very limited time only until
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you can't uh yeah don't go ahead punch it down so this video is gonna go live
right now go watch it it's a really fun video it's
every LTT Store product that i couldn't release
for some reason or another it should be live if you want to give it an f5
hopefully i didn't the wrong one live so we sat down with the
engineering team there you go nine seconds ago that's
one second there we go so we sat down with both the engineering
team to talk about some of the really wild products that never saw the light of
day as well as with the fashion team to talk about some of the
really cool products that never saw the light of day and the various reasons
that they didn't i don't want to spoil too much but the
reason that we never made this wallet hold on
let me see if i can find it
okay i can't find it but there's a wallet that we never made
and um yeah here they are
and the way we got access to these original prototypes will
absolutely blow your mind the oh oh shoot i missed it
the idea behind them though was that they looked like folders
um
anyway go check it out and i think that's it for the
WAN Show we'll see you again next week same bad time same
bad channel
what the hell is the speaker on this thing
what that no that's the opposite of what you're supposed to do
bye
all right see you
you