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0:00 Oh, yeah, the NVIDIA shield has been getting updates for ten years That's that makes it older than I thought you're g...
1:15 All right I Will be a ZTW next week ZTW next week.
2:53 Okay, they were way bigger than that but what the heck oh, they're like buddy headphones There's a prop.
7:47 Orgies Yeah, 80s new wave over the stereo while cleaning You know, I get that my
9:44 Boom roasted It's your laptop you can hurt it as much as you want I did nothing wrong.
11:29 The first time Linus does anything it's crazy for him Uh, when I show you guys what happened, I mean luke That clip I...
12:46 Amaker says how are Linux people being defensive before they've even heard the issue you've had Linus Have you ever h...
13:54 He always thinks he doesn't do anything I That thing where I deleted my gooey wa
18:20 And the laptop was nothing I literally did nothing I don't even know if I remember the laptop.
29:42 You know what hammer on it is probably not fair definitely not a lot of things in that weren't to be completely hones...
35:04 Calling chat kids is very bostonian of you Is that a thing?
36:32 What is up everybody and welcome to the wanshow we have a terrific show for you guys today The Linux challenge is not...
38:38 The show is brought to you today by vessie Ugreen app control and ground news alongside our rap partner dbrand And ou...
56:27 It's it's pretty wild I still don't I don't know how you would even make this happen because It's not only that there...
82:25 But between audio problems and just general connection stability and You know just Oh man, that's pretty funny.
111:02 The next topic some comms comms and cw time for some checkout messages So our end of season sale is extended.
118:31 Just leave a couple beats there, uh, would you want another one?
124:00 Yeah, so but it basically what we learned was a lot of people pay for it Yeah, a lot of people pay a decent amount fo...
126:10 That's cool that they have flat pricing archerton, but arch very nice But but yeah, it's it's very common that people...
126:48 Um fire cat speaking of convenience decided it was more convenient to type this into chat instead of into A search en...
131:35 I am now deeply uncomfortable ever using it again.
143:43 Yikes What the hell is Linus social opinion Uh, I don't know.
163:38 Okay, well I Can't find what it's supposed to what it's supposed to go in if it is real that's fantastic And if it's ...
164:57 Hey, what do you want to talk about next?
199:52 Do you want to pick another topic?
229:36 reliable the reporting tends to be.
230:20 leads very well into another topic, which is that Paramount is set to take over Warner Brothers.
233:10 this deal have any interest in it whatsoever.
241:15 Okay, well, we'll see how it goes in another six months or so.

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0:00 Oh, yeah, the NVIDIA shield has been getting updates for ten years
0:06 That's that makes it older than I thought you're gonna go there
0:16 To be clear nothing about that's funny. It's just
0:20 Humor is an interesting thing dark uncomfortable. Yeah observation and sometimes the way we cope is to laugh
0:28 Generally humor isn't just you know with any other audience. I wouldn't feel the need to explain
0:35 Humor but sometimes Y'all are great like in general, but
0:42 sometimes You know
0:45 You guys know you guys know how you are
0:49 The stream started with Luke laughing. Okay. Well, I guess buffer time just removed it anyways, cool
0:55 That makes sense. It's probably okay Probably for the best
1:00 What's funny is Epstein was a bad guy basically
1:05 Yeah Yeah
1:15 All right I
1:23 Will be a ZTW next week ZTW next week. Can we get a teaser of what to expect?
1:31 Doing live WAN Show there. That'll be cool. Yeah, expect that
1:36 And there's a panel that we're doing where we're talking about stuff
1:41 and Things and things and it definitely things as well for sure back when Turtle Beach was good. When was that?
1:52 I don't even know what they're responding to I just saw that in flow playing chat I was like wait a second. I think they had some good interfaces or something at some point
1:58 Do they their headphones were always crap though. Oh, yeah
2:02 The only thing I thought was cool about them was that they had these like
2:06 huge like Massive scale the headphones that they would bring to conferences that were kind of fun
2:16 Have you seen this
2:21 Who knows he said has you seen this and they're just left I
2:27 Presume he's bringing something back But no idea what he's talking about
2:38 Okay, I'm closing my eyes at request of Linus
2:53 Okay, they were way bigger than that but what the heck oh, they're like buddy headphones
3:01 There's a prop. Oh I mean
3:05 Pud, you know, he would have just made these real. Oh, so what's up with these? Why?
3:12 Well, they're surprisingly heavy. Oh, okay, so they do actually do something
3:20 Shoot I'm sorry guys. I was muted were you able to pick me up through his well, whatever
3:24 That's a real product and they're fun. It was mostly visual. It was mostly visual guys
3:31 Wow
3:35 No, they're headphones
3:41 Okay, so you sit them here
3:46 Yeah, there you go, okay
3:50 Do people buy these things they are a gimmick product
3:55 JLab has the Birmingham Bowl
3:59 A football stadium thing and they're to celebrate something the title sponsor of a sports team. Oh
4:08 Go sports ball, I just find there's there's products like this that you see every once in a while
4:15 They are a gimmick and it's just it's interesting like, you know those like enormous Bluetooth speakers
4:23 Yes, what's the market for those who buys those?
4:26 events There's enough of events
4:32 That would want that Especially like small events. They're super easy to use you just like plug a microphone into them and it's like instant PA
4:42 Anywhere you want They're not that big in the context of I need big sound to address a small crowd
4:50 So anything from like a big sale
4:53 To like a little swim meat to like anything that you just like need okay
4:59 So like genuinely small small events. So I was thinking like it's not enough for our all-hands. No
5:05 So like that's a pretty small event and it's not enough for that. So it's got to be like
5:11 little little little bitty event
5:14 So I guess then the pricing would have to be realistically within what a
5:19 10% income earner can mostly shrug off
5:23 It's not really a business thing and that's kind of where they are. Yeah, apparently protesters use them
5:29 Someone in chat said got it So they're like three four hundred bucks barbecue. I think I think they're in the kind of five hundred dollar range
5:37 Yeah, they can go up to like thousand bucks really got giant batteries in them here
5:43 Yeah, I mostly do all the JBL for like 400 bucks on Amazon CA. So that's Canadian. Oh, I'm doing Canadian
5:50 Yeah, here's a Samsung one for 600 CAD
5:54 Here's a like splash-proof one for oh, yeah, that's getting into the that's a bit of a stretch range
6:00 Yeah, but if you need splash-proof, I guess you pay a little more and here's maybe maybe you've got like, you know the
6:07 A few people are in on that one for like a pool thing like you're talking about
6:11 We can get a no-name one for 200 CAD. Yeah. So like yeah, that's that's kind of the range. That's the range we're talking. Yeah
6:21 Yeah, I do a lot of short circuits. Sony sends us a bunch of them
6:25 Uh, the Sony ones known as Sony does a lot of really good their price to performance is where it should be
6:32 Yeah, okay, but they're not cheap I got an 800 samsung one pretty sweet for jamming while cleaning the house
6:42 That's crazy by headphones Hmm. Hey, yeah, that's a use case I did not expect for those
6:51 Huh, especially for 800 bucks
6:58 I have an ion version of that it slaps I use it for working construction. Okay
7:04 The battery life and sound quality outperformed to Walt Milwaukee, etc. Got a refurbished one on amazon for 150 CAD. Yeah, okay, boom
7:10 Yeah See about 150 CAD like that's you're getting into much more reasonable ranges at that point. It's still a lot but
7:21 Yeah
7:26 Splash-proof can also just be for like people in scotland having summer parties
7:31 Well, I just a joke about the miserable weather in scotland. Oh, okay. Got it
7:47 Orgies Yeah, 80s new wave over the stereo while cleaning
7:51 You know, I get that my the the the reason why I raised my eyebrow at that is because you can just do that for so much cheaper
7:57 Like the the like good part of these things is that they're portable and they have batteries and stuff
8:02 If you're in your house cleaning You could just use speakers that you have in your house
8:08 Or giant headphones around your neck or giant Or normal headphones on your head
8:13 Well, that's a good idea. I didn't think of that
8:17 Oh, no, he's cleaning and you got his AirPods in You
8:26 We need to talk about open claw
8:35 Is this the thing where her email got deleted? I don't know maybe probably I've heard some bad stuff
8:49 I'm sorry. There's just a reddit comment on the on an open claw or a thing
8:55 Hype plus no safeguards is all the current pack of brain atrophied yolo
8:59 Let's need to allow clawed to hold the wheel in every aspect of their lives
9:10 Oh man, that's pretty good. That is pretty good
9:19 I
9:27 Think I'm becoming a leadite man
9:32 I don't care how to integrate an AI agent into my workflow, uh, maybe it would help you not suck at Linux
9:44 Boom roasted It's your laptop you can hurt it as much as you want
9:53 I did nothing wrong. Yeah, maybe you could have done things more right. I did nothing wrong
10:01 Dude the first okay, you know what we should save this for the show, but
10:05 The first day of Linux challenge was crazy for me
10:11 Yeah, but you're just We can save for the show. Mm-hmm. We sure can
10:20 We sure can
10:23 Should we start the show and yeah, we're gonna call it challenge now
10:27 I was on the fence about calling it challenge before it's definitely challenge for some
10:32 It's it's a challenge All right, I'm just gonna have you do it. I guess then is that cool
10:49 Um, no, maybe don't I need to figure out about that
10:57 To now Floatplane twitch he's got two youtube facebook
11:04 No, no, let's not this week. I need to figure that out more. Oh, well, does that matter?
11:15 Okay, is there a problem? No, okay
11:29 The first time Linus does anything it's crazy for him
11:40 Uh, when I show you guys what happened, I mean luke
11:46 That clip I showed you, uh, yeah, would you call that crazy? Yeah, it didn't happen to me
11:52 I'm cursed it never happened to me
11:55 Won't happen to me. I think Torpedo bench says I say this with all due respect Linus. I'm so looking forward to seeing what you're doing to over complicate the Linux experience this time
12:08 I didn't do anything I swear this is like that time that I opened up that laptop
12:15 That had Linux on it and it just like spontaneously fucking broke
12:19 Like just remember when you're on live tv and you tried to press the button to make the thing do the thing and it was like nah
12:28 And then the second we walked it offstage it was like, okay
12:39 Oh, there's no cameras around now. All right
12:46 Amaker says how are Linux people being defensive before they've even heard the issue you've had Linus
12:53 Have you ever have you have you met my friend the Linux community?
12:58 They're gonna they're gonna frickin, you know, I
13:06 Yeah, um, okay. Oh, we should add it to the doc Linux challenge update
13:14 I'm adding a spot for it
13:28 Uh
13:35 Okay, should we do let's do this thing
13:39 Maybe we should talk about open cloth. Is there an open cloth topic? Nope
13:45 It's on tackling today
13:54 He always thinks he doesn't do anything I
13:58 That thing where I deleted my gooey was a bug
14:01 The initial knee jerk reaction was that it was like user error and you could make an argument for user error
14:08 There's a extremely strong argument for user error because you hold on
14:13 No, there's also an extremely strong argument for that was a bug that they acknowledged was a bug
14:21 So that was a bug that they acknowledged was a bug and they had to fix
14:25 And it told me what it was going to do and you said yes, that's nice
14:30 It was a bug both things are true bugged behavior that should have never
14:34 Happened you also didn't read. Yeah, but I had no way of knowing what that even did
14:39 I had no way of knowing that anything that I was doing
14:42 Would would result in anything catastrophic. It was a bug though. I don't know if people followed that up
14:47 So that's the most important thing is the initial knee jerk reaction was this guy is a complete idiot
14:54 How did he manage to screw it up doing something so basic? Which was
14:59 Exactly how I fell into it because there should have been no way to screw it up doing something so basic
15:06 So, yeah, I just followed along and I was like, I guess I want to go see what it said on screen
15:10 I remember it says something along the lines of like you Shouldn't be doing this thing. Yeah, please acknowledge that you know absolutely what you're doing and you were like irreversible
15:19 Yeah, yeah, maybe at that point time But that should never have been that should never have been possible when you're just installing steam
15:29 Through the official app store Like you're actually being a neck beard right now. That should you need to relax. Holy crap. Like
15:40 My god, it is definitely both. It's okay for it to be both
15:45 Yeah, I'm not being neck bearded by saying that it's both. Well, you're a little
15:48 No, I'm not if something says like hey, you really shouldn't do this and you go. Yes, I will definitely do this
15:53 This is definitely fine, but that is a mistake and that's okay never have come up
15:58 Sure, because it was a bug right. We're admitting it's both sides. So I've said it's a bug from the beginning right relax
16:04 So then the part where I start by saying arguably it was user error
16:08 It's both right. Yeah, so then that's the part where instead of
16:13 riding that Because I've already acknowledged it from the very beginning
16:18 Okay You need to chill
16:22 You know what? No, I'm I'm pretty I'm pretty upset about it. Do you have any idea how much fucking flak?
16:27 I've taken a lot. Yeah, right Because the initial reaction, which is exactly what I'm trying to talk about right now
16:34 The initial reaction was this guy's a complete idiot
16:39 Okay, but I made him a complete idiot what I so yeah, but there's a lot of baggage here. Okay, so there's a lot
16:45 There's a lot of assumptions that are made whenever I do anything to do with Linux
16:54 There should have been no way
16:58 To completely delete your operating system when you are trying to install steam using the official store
17:04 It should have been impossible. So what I'm seeing right now is that you're on the official store and it airs out
17:10 And then you go to a command line. You're a no longer give it a sec
17:14 You're no longer on the official store. Yes. It's gonna take a second. You're no longer on the official store
17:18 You're in a command line. You're telling you to install something should this do the thing that it did absolutely. No, right huge bug
17:25 Recognized by a bunch of people as a huge box. That's it. So what I said was
17:30 And then it says yes, you're about to do something potentially harmful. Yes to continue
17:35 You should type in yes do as I say so potentially harmful off at that point. Why why would I think that the operating system
17:42 Is telling you that you probably shouldn't do the thing that you do it is of course it is
17:47 But it also should never have been possible
17:50 I was just following along. Yeah, I agree right. So they fully acknowledge after the initial bullshit
17:58 That this was a bug in pop o s and that never should have happened
18:02 I should never have been put into that flow. I don't even know if it was specifically just popo apps
18:08 I thought it was a little bit more than that To my knowledge, it was popo s popo s was the one that had to fix it. Sure. So
18:20 And the laptop was nothing I literally did nothing I don't even know if I remember the laptop. It's spontaneously broke. Is that in a video? Yeah, that's on ShortCircuit
18:29 Okay, I think we ended up uploading because again, so yeah, there's a bit of sensitivity here for me
18:35 Okay, because we ended we ended up having to upload an unedited cut of it
18:39 To demonstrate that no I didn't do anything of what sorry the laptop. Okay. I don't even know about this laptop one. Yeah, so
18:48 Blah blah blah. Yes, it was a bug within steam Linux presumes that a terminal user reads stuff and understands it
18:53 It was like a steam bug. I don't think it was just popo s. I thought it was popo s
18:58 Okay, don't from what I've seen in the in the aftermath was people pointed out it was a steam bug and it's something that people are like
19:06 It's uh So that was that was taken pretty seriously as far as my understanding goes once it was
19:11 Yeah, eventually After an initial after an initial i'm not arguing any of that. I'm just saying I'm explaining
19:19 Why it's irritating and I'm trying to explain when you're so calling me a neck beard and shit
19:24 You're you're kind of acting like one for a bit. You should calm down and relax with that
19:28 That's crazy. So all I'm saying is that there's there's absolutely a bug a very major one
19:34 And we're in a computer tells you you might want to question yourself doing this very harmful thing
19:38 I need you to type out a long sentence exactly as phrased in order to be able to do it
19:42 It's not a long sentence. Maybe you should back down. Yes, do as I say
19:45 Yes, do as I say that's a five proper capitalization
19:49 And punctuation into a computer is not a normal thing to do. Sure. But how am I supposed to know that?
19:55 It seems how am I supposed to know that? To question why I have to type this long thing to you. Yes
20:02 But to me it didn't okay. I've had to type in confirmations for all kinds of mundane stuff before
20:08 Okay, and in Linux you have to type all kinds of confirmations for crap
20:13 Dude, have you ever tried to install anything on macOS?
20:16 You have to enter your bloody password or biometrically authenticate like four times
20:21 Yeah, and this wasn't that it's like very different. It's extremely different except that how am I supposed to know that it's different
20:27 Uh, because I'm using a system. I haven't specifically. Yes. Do as I say. So what how is that different?
20:32 Hey, this thing you're doing is very potentially harmful. Yes
20:36 I need you to override this warning and do as I say so is not typing an authentication password
20:40 As a Linux bro, that's obvious. I'm not a Linux bro. Hold on though
20:46 If you were you can't just overwrite everything that I say
20:49 Well, I'm you have to let me talk then. Okay. Go for it. So
20:53 To me let's let's say that I am not a Linux bro and I have no experience with it
20:58 whatsoever Let's say no, that's not true. Let's say I have no experience with it whatsoever
21:04 How am I supposed to know that yes do as I say is some kind of
21:09 godly level above literal what was sci-fi growing up
21:14 Where I scan my finger into something to verify that I actually mean it. I also don't think it's that deep
21:20 If it's what do you mean? It's not that deep if you if there is user I asked a direct question
21:23 How am I supposed to know that that's way above this?
21:26 How should I know that? I mean, I can't be in your brain to me. They're very different typing in a password to authenticate versus saying
21:33 Yes, do as I say do as I say. No, I didn't say typing in a password
21:37 Okay, I don't know I said I'm like I'm scanning my body to verify something. Oh biometric authentication. It's like the same level of thing
21:46 Why How am I average usage of a computer? What are you talking about? When you biometrically authenticate
21:52 It's usually in replacement of a password. They do the same thing. They operate the same way. Sure
21:57 This is not a password. So So what?
22:00 It's authentication versus override. It's they're totally different things
22:04 So let's say for instance, let's say hypothetically that I am not a Linux bro, but this isn't like
22:13 This is like verifying you you are who you are when you show up to a job site versus someone saying like hey, you shouldn't
22:19 Swing this hammer here and you say yeah, I'm going to anyways like they're they're they're they're just complete
22:23 I don't even understand how you're sure but That example comes up all the time
22:29 All the time in Windows where hey, you shouldn't make any changes to the registry
22:33 Lest lest dragons be there And then you have to flip registry bits around all the time in order to do basic stuff like change the animation speed of the start menu
22:43 Yeah, almost no one does that. That's very advanced user things. What do you mean? Almost no one does that?
22:48 Yeah, almost you're gonna say that to that audience That almost no one does a registry at it. You gotta be kidding me your own arguments that you make often
22:55 I know you're heightened right now. Yeah using your own arguments that you make often. Yeah, that's not almost everybody
23:01 That's enthusiast. Okay Okay, so almost everybody doesn't do that
23:07 I'm not This is okay. Like this is like literally to come on
23:13 I don't know what to tell you man. Most people aren't doing reg edits on their computer
23:18 So you would say
23:23 Oh man, it's a little bit user error. It's not that deep you got massively over burned for it. I don't think it's that big of a deal
23:31 You can just kind of reset. I think you got way over burned for it
23:36 I think that the thing that I'm finding very frustrating
23:41 Sure is how obvious this is to you when my whole point is that this is not necessarily obvious
23:50 If I have never used a given system, how am I supposed to know the hierarchy of authentication?
23:58 So you say that the the you know fingerprint authentication is exactly the same as a password
24:04 No, but where I started but where I started was on macOS if you've ever tried to just like download a dmg
24:11 And install from an unauthorized source on macOS
24:14 Like multiple times you have to put in your password and and or use touch id multiple times
24:21 So then how am I to know that if passwords are exactly equivalent to to a biometric authentication?
24:28 And then typing in a phrase which is not a long sentence and again It's that kind of hyperbole that really like doesn't help
24:35 Right. It was not a long sentence and it's just kind of a weird thing to say. Why are you?
24:39 Why are you making it like that again? I need you to relax. Yeah, the reason why I'm saying long sentence doing stuff like that
24:46 The reason why I'm saying long sentence chill. So I'm not done yet though
24:49 so how am I supposed to know that the hierarchy is a password is exactly the same as touch id and
24:55 Typing a not long sentence is way up here. So then where would two
25:00 Touch id's be or three. How do I know that that's not here?
25:04 And if all I'm doing is installing some stupid, what did I have to do on macOS?
25:08 I had to install I had to install some stupid thing in order to reverse the direction of my scroll wheel
25:13 But not reverse the direction of my touchpad or something like that So on a system that I've never used before should I have been like, oh my god
25:20 I shouldn't do this because I have to enter my password multiple times to do it
25:24 Because it's gonna prompt me. It's gonna be like, oh my god, this is unsafe think back to uac on Windows
25:29 Oh my god, do you trust this? Oh my god So what I'm trying to say is no
25:35 I don't think it's an unfair thing to see. Okay. Yeah, I just type this thing
25:40 I'm just following a flow that this should never have existed in which is fully acknowledged was an actual bug
25:47 And never should have happened that it could could possibly have a result like that
25:52 If I haven't used this system, I have no context for this hierarchy of authentication. None
26:00 That's the whole point
26:03 Are you done? Yeah, okay. So the long sentence thing. Yes, if I can address that sure
26:09 almost all entries in there when you're responding to something is like y or n yes or no neat, but I don't know that it
26:18 It was a sentence that required perfect capitalization and punctuation to enter neat, but I have no context for that
26:26 I'm gonna finish talking if you can sure I'm gonna take the same affordance that you did
26:31 So it's it's a strange thing. You've done a few entries. I know you are not day one for this
26:38 You've done these types of things before You've done stuff in command line before that was a strange thing
26:45 Long sentence maybe isn't exact perfect verbiage. I don't think you've used exact perfect verbiage for everything in this entire
26:51 Argument either. I don't think that's a strong argument. My point is that it was it is strange
26:57 It is long. It requires perfect punctuation. All that kind of stuff is interesting the touch ID
27:01 biometric password thing versus an override I don't think the construction site analogy that I was using was perfect
27:07 What I'm saying is there's user authentication. This is me. I'm going to input my password
27:12 I'm verifying that this is me that is trying to do this thing. I'm the owner of the account. I am whatever else
27:18 there is that versus A specific warning now you bring up user account control stuff like that
27:24 That is more valid in my opinion that is much more related to what just happened here
27:28 that is a warning that is coming up And you are overriding that warning
27:33 I think the barrier of entry to overriding that warning of clicking. Yes versus typing again in perfect case with perfect punctuation
27:41 Yes, I know what I'm doing or whatever it is is different. You're also acknowledging. Yes
27:45 I know what I'm doing when you didn't in that scenario, which again
27:50 Is probably a flag. You should maybe back out and stop doing the thing that you're doing now again
27:54 I want to put out there Does the fact that you did this matter almost not at all in my opinion
28:00 Who cares? I thought it was like funny if anything
28:04 It could happen to a ton of people. I don't think it's that deep. I don't think it's that big of a deal
28:08 I think people over blew it Said that back then say that now it doesn't matter
28:13 So things don't matter until they matter Unfortunately, and I don't get to decide what matters. You can decide if it matters
28:20 Not really you can decide if it matters to you a hundred percent and I can decide if it matters to me
28:23 I don't think that it matters to me You can decide that it matters to you the audience decided it mattered to them
28:28 Linux people are kind of nuts sometimes Yeah, so there is in my opinion user error involved when you type in
28:35 Yes, do as I say right something that you don't know what you're dealing with
28:39 I don't think it's very important. So then coming I'm not putting it as a huge error on you
28:43 I'm going to try to talk for a little bit. You took that. I'm going to take that
28:46 Um, I'm not putting on you as like a huge deal thing But it is a very minor amount of user error that was fixable by reinstalling
28:53 It was a fresh install not that huge of a deal Um, but the biggest culprit here is that there was a massive bug. Sure. So
29:02 So my issue then how I got started on this and I'll use the t word how I got a little triggered by this
29:08 Is I started with that? Started with what? I started with
29:13 user error Okay So why did we hammer on it?
29:18 I really don't think what I do is hammer. Well, then you can go back and rewatch it. Okay. Completely unnecessary. Oh, I probably will for this definitely. Yeah
29:26 so Yeah, a little frustrated
29:30 Yeah, I think so
29:42 You know what hammer on it is probably not fair definitely not a lot of things in that weren't to be completely honest
29:48 What else? Uh, a lot of what went just to happen is like honestly super ridiculous
29:57 Um, okay
30:00 I Well, I'm sorry
30:06 We're good. All right We're good
30:10 I understand Something that I think people that just watched that might not understand is the
30:17 That ain't the first time. No, actually not my point at all. Oh, that's true. But not my point at all. Um,
30:23 is the like
30:27 The weight that a lot of this stuff has
30:30 I don't think you can understand until you've felt
30:34 200,000 comments calling you an idiot
30:37 What that does to your brain? um
30:42 so like Like I said there, I can care I can decide like how much I care about this thing which is effectively not at all
30:52 um And that's going to paint my reaction to this thing which is just like oh, it's just I mean
30:58 It's a fairly meaningless small
31:02 mistake that led to a very large impact of like
31:06 self-delete operating system Um due to a bug that's very annoying
31:11 Uh, but he comes in with the incredible weight of
31:15 what probably like
31:18 I'm guessing at least two months of just getting like dragged and not just dragged by comments but getting dragged by
31:26 Uh, Linux creators making videos of it. Um shorts comments on reddit it popping up in his feed consistently for for weeks and weeks and weeks and months and months and months
31:36 um So like I'm frustrated because I don't want to be called a neck beard for having Linux takes when I'm like barely even a Linux user
31:44 And I I don't I don't think it was all that deep
31:47 but realistically I understand why he was frustrated about those things
31:53 Because there's just so much weight put on you. Um, and I've been in similar situations. There are things
31:59 Where Linus could push a button that lightly and I would
32:04 Get triggered that hard I can't think off top my head about a guarantee that exists
32:10 Anything to do with pizza warmer
32:15 So like I don't know it's fine
32:20 And yeah, sorry. Sorry. I poked it. I didn't quite realize how
32:24 How it's all good sensitive the button was that's my bad. I'm not trying to call you sensitive
32:29 Curo asks why are you guys still talking about it move on?
32:32 Because talking about it is how you move on. It's better to resolve
32:40 This is like I'm you know, it's this is one of those things right where it's like
32:45 When uh, when Yvonne and I fight in front of the kids, which we try to avoid it's probably happened
32:50 Half a dozen times and sorry sorry for fighting in front of you kids. Yeah in in in you know
32:57 Well over 10 years of being parents, right? um
33:00 One of the things that we try to talk to them about after is like look, we're sorry you had to see that but
33:06 If you have to see that then we're really glad that
33:10 You're seeing how we bring it to a conclusion Um, and how we don't leave something
33:15 Unsett I think it's much better that if we're having an issue that we
33:20 We do talk through it. Um, it's not always easy to
33:25 sort of just Let someone else go while you're feeling personally attacked. Um
33:32 It's not always easy to not throw personal attacks when you feel like someone else is whether they intended to or not, right? And so
33:40 Yeah, you know, this is not the kind of thing that we want to talk about in front of you, but kids
33:49 I like to have the kids in this analogy. Sorry, but
33:53 It is the kind of thing where You know, if you guys are going to
33:59 I mean, that's the wanshow, right? Like if you guys are going to feel like you know us at all
34:03 Then you might as well you might as well see it. Luke and I you know play
34:07 Dude bros who basically agree with each other on a podcast
34:12 98% of the time Which is probably pretty accurate
34:18 But one of the ways that we reach consensus on things
34:22 Is by having really uncomfortable sometimes heated
34:27 Very frustrating sometimes hurtful conversations
34:33 It's not an accident It's not a random
34:37 And we've been doing that and it's you know, it's not that common, but we've been doing that for freaking 15 years like
34:47 That was never like even in the middle of that I knew that was never going to really last beyond
34:54 The next 10 minutes or whatever I
35:04 Calling chat kids is very bostonian of you
35:07 Is that a thing? I don't know. I think we were just leaning into chat making the analogy earlier
35:14 I mean, we could have kids as our nickname for chat. Oh, I was just saying you you mentioned the like
35:19 Evonne and I try not to argue in front of the kids. So I was just dragging that analogy to this scenario
35:26 We
35:30 All right
35:33 If we want to high five we don't high five though we do this
35:37 Yeah, very good. Very good. Very good. All right
35:42 Should we roll the wansha? What bloody time is it? Good lord five thirty hit it Dan
35:49 How hard was it for you to stay out of that? I
35:54 Was just along for the ride I suspect very easy actually
36:01 I'd have been tempted to just kind of quip at least a little quip sometimes not quipping is important
36:11 Okay, I'm gonna punch it if you guys are ready. All right, all right, let's do it. Okay resuming this selected now
36:21 You
36:32 What is up everybody and welcome to the wanshow we have a terrific show for you guys today
36:40 The Linux challenge is not going well for me. I managed to run into
36:47 It's hard to even It's hard to even quantify them at this point, but at least five things. I've never seen before
36:56 And I swear I swear on
37:00 What can I swear on tell me something to swear on?
37:03 Uh, the show I swear on the wanshow
37:07 I guess do I put my right hand on it?
37:11 I swear on the wanshow that I didn't do anything weird
37:15 I Swear it. I swear. It's true
37:19 The one the bug you showed me before the show was wild
37:22 I uh, that was fascinating I didn't do anything
37:28 In other news doughnuts Labs claims to have made a solid state battery with the keyword being
37:34 claims Uh, this rabbit hole goes pretty deep solid rabbit hole at the state of it is
37:42 Uncertain and
37:45 Nebulous what else we got this week paramount is set to take over warner bros in a continued series of media consolidation
37:54 Which like should probably concern everyone everybody
37:58 Uh, also burger king is vying for the throne of politeness with ai and all of their employees ears all the time
38:08 Oh, it's more wired up to their mouths, which is
38:12 Weirder. Oh wait, really? I might have misunderstood
38:16 I was thinking when you didn't freak out about that that you probably misunderstood. Yeah, that's a lot worse
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39:01 Just sponsored by both of them. Okay What's going on? What do you want to do first? Have we have you talked publicly?
39:09 I don't think so about what distro you're going to choose
39:13 I have not because I hadn't decided until elijah and I shot the first episode of Linux challenge 2026
39:20 Okay, and elijah even did not know that I did not know
39:24 Which Linux distra I was going to be using he was like, okay
39:28 We're at the point in the video where the script just says Linus decides on his distro and I was like
39:33 Well, yeah, did you think Did you did you think I was like faking me reading these listicles just now and like talking to the ai about what I should use?
39:43 Oh interesting He's like so so that was that's the thing is to the greatest degree that I can
39:49 My goal is to go into this kind of I'm experiencing something
39:54 Relatively fresh like I've used Linux before but it was years ago and not much and and not that much
40:00 I used it for a little while and then I didn't really use it anymore And so I'm I'm doing what I do where I go in and I go, okay
40:07 How would I do this? So I started with like boomer
40:11 A best Linux distro for gaming and so I got listicles again and to their credit
40:18 I think they were a little better than last time really that's actually
40:22 A little surprising to me. Except they're different at all except except hear me out wait for it
40:29 I followed up by being a non-boomer and typing it into an LLM
40:34 Which might explain why the listicles are better now
40:37 Oh Yeah, and to be clear. I'm not saying I'm not saying that any of the listicles that I read happened to be
40:46 LLM written or or aided
40:50 I'm just saying it's not impossible But maybe and and at this point in this current state of the internet you actually don't
40:56 You can never really know because Even if they got that information by reading somewhere else that other thing might have been assisted
41:04 It's a whole snake eating its tail situation that we've got going on here. So so I started with
41:10 Googling listicles like a boomer and then followed up with asking an AI
41:15 and once again the overwhelming top recommendation was
41:21 Come online is give popo s another shot
41:24 So I popped over to their website
41:29 downloaded the iso and it was off to the
41:33 Stumbling not quite racist. Yeah
41:36 Exactly off to the right now now in fairness the first issue
41:39 I had was that the m.2 SSD that I've had sitting in my tech sack for the better part of two years is dead
41:46 Oh can't blame popo s for that. No, no, that's that's on me not putting it in an est bag
41:51 um Oh, just raw. Yep. It was just it was in there. It was in there. Um
41:58 I got it installed once I figured that out and I used a different SSD then everything was totally fine. No, just kidding
42:05 um Everything got pretty messed up. So I've got I've got a few little clips
42:11 That I would I would love for loop to see
42:14 While we're here on the windshow, um, I actually I cheated a little bit and I showed him one of these earlier
42:21 Things were going really great world. I managed to find the store almost immediately
42:27 I managed to download steam and discord basically
42:30 as If anything more easily than if I was on Windows or if I was on macOS
42:37 um like Windows in particular you can use the microsoft store, but like
42:43 How is it microsoft that after you force me
42:48 To sign in with an account when I When I install Windows
42:53 How is it that I then have to sign into that account?
42:57 again When I open my browser and I go to my microsoft email
43:03 Why do I have to do it again when I want to play minecraft with my kids?
43:08 Why do I have to do it again? Why do I have to do it over and over and over again?
43:13 I think playing minecraft takes three if I remember correctly because the website
43:18 And then the like launcher, but then you also have to do the like the xbox store microsoft store or whatever. Yeah, it's crazy
43:25 wild like Like system system wide like user accounts have been a thing
43:32 For how long how long has it been since
43:36 Since you just have signed in to your google account one. Yeah, like very long time very very long time very long time
43:44 um So so that was really easy That was awesome
43:48 And then I like downloaded a game and it like came down pretty fast and and then and then
43:54 And then things started to get a little weird and I ended up having I ended up actually bailing
44:01 On Linux on the first night because I had seven people waiting in a lobby for me
44:06 To play left for dead 2 on top of all the people who wanted to spectate the game who were watching on discord
44:12 Which is like another 10 something like that how many people were spectating probably around there that sounds about right
44:17 so I had all these people waiting for me and This is what would happen when I would try to play the game
44:24 And it is wild to start this challenge at a land
44:27 But if it was Windows that he jumped in with
44:30 This this would have worked off rip. Yeah, well, yeah, so we have to be like
44:35 You know fair about that. It's wild to start it at a land, but also
44:39 I I tried to throw a softball. I've seen I've seen I've seen a few Windows installs at lands
44:45 It's it's definitely happened Um, I tried to oh do I actually have a clip of left for dead 2 crashing
44:51 So I tried to throw a softball by by choosing a game that I assumed
44:57 And this is not a crazy assumption that I assumed would be well supported on Linux
45:02 Honestly, I think that's not only a crazy assumption
45:06 I thought that by playing this game we were actually giving it an advantage
45:11 I thought I was basically hacking for steam to choose a first party valve game
45:17 As my because because the wind condition for the first episode of Linux challenge is always
45:22 Play a game, right? Would you like to play a game?
45:26 I honestly forgot that but I'm happy that I I did launch a game technically in the videos that I recorded
45:32 Since then I have launched more games So it's fine, but yeah, I did I did launch a game
45:36 So I ran into a situation where it totally worked in lobby, but then within about 30 seconds of being in the game it would just
45:46 Like a hard break. Yeah, like a hard hard lock up or or just hard hard crash the game
45:53 And I didn't throw an error or anything. I don't I don't I'm not the first time. Yeah, okay
45:57 Um, and then the second I can't remember right There's a lot of footage in here because I was expecting this to just be like a quick thing
46:04 Like I quickly install and then I'm and then I'm playing left for dead too
46:08 I just I didn't think it'd be that big of a deal and and for reference just before you keep going
46:11 Someone said that apparently I did a Windows install at ltx 2023. That doesn't surprise me. I don't remember that but it doesn't surprise me either
46:17 Um frosty kuyger said some guy said he bought a fresh laptop for whale land on the way there
46:22 So that like this is people have fresh Windows at lands. It happens for sure
46:28 All right, here's me playing through around once I fixed it
46:32 Okay, hold on. I think I've got I think I've got the uh, I think I've got the error. So yeah, this is wild
46:36 Here we go. I I I actually get into a game here
46:41 I move around my mouse a little bit everything's running. It's running at like 300 frames per second
46:47 and I'm Give it like another give it like another probably 10 to 15 seconds
46:55 I think I get to the bottom of the stairwell on the first map of the um
47:00 Which one which one is this again? What's the finale the mall dead center? Sure. Yeah, I don't know any map names
47:07 and Booth gone hard just disappears hard cut to hard cut to desktop application gone
47:14 And what's really frustrating is if you go on proton db
47:17 You find all these people it says native It says native and the first when I looked at it like the first two or three were like
47:26 Perfect, and I even scrolled down and the first one on popos was like perfect. Excellent. Perfect
47:33 Now when you start reading more of them you go. Oh, well, hold on a second
47:37 People have all kinds of problems with this here. There was a really funny one. Can you go down a little bit?
47:42 Go down go down go down go down. There's one that says
47:46 Hold on. Is this it? Oh, here it is steps works perfectly out of the box tinker steps switch to experimental so oh no
47:54 This wasn't it. There's one that said no tinker steps and then also said tinker steps. Oh, yeah. No. No. This is the one
47:59 Yeah, this is it. So literally what this person says is works perfectly out of the box
48:05 Right, and then the body here is tinker steps switch to experimental set this launch option
48:12 Then then they say the game ran perfectly for me without any major issues. No tinkering done whatsoever
48:23 This Is where I end up
48:27 feeling like I'm put in a really uncomfortable position
48:31 because When you are engaging with this level of delusion
48:37 I feel like I feel like I'm I feel like I'm made to be the bad guy here
48:43 Like you've got this you've got this stance that's so far out of reality
48:47 That you feel like a bad guy. You almost feel like it's I almost feel like I'm being gaslit
48:53 like I feel like the like Like I'm the one who's who's a complete idiot because you know, it didn't work perfectly for me
49:02 And I didn't know that putting it in experimental mode and having a launch argument
49:06 Was no tinkering. Yeah, I don't know like where their line is
49:09 But in in my opinion if you want to if you want a year of the Linux desktop
49:14 You know, like if you want if you want to go that hard and you want to call it a native game
49:22 You should be able to click play and steam it should just work
49:25 Because that's the experience that people are going to have on Windows, right? Well, that's I mean except when they don't and that's really
49:31 Really important to acknowledge in all this because I'll come in and I'll I'll say something critical about
49:37 Linux or people will feel like I'm saying something critical about Linux because I'll say something like
49:42 I launched Left 4 Dead 2 and within about 30 to 60 seconds
49:45 It would crash every single time I launched it and they'll be like that's a personal attack
49:49 It's like that's a personal attack on them. They're like, well, what about all the issues on Windows?
49:53 I'm like, whoa, bro. We're not talking about Windows. Yeah. Yeah fair. Yeah
49:56 Nobody brought up Windows and I'm happy to criticize Windows You want to watch me criticize Windows? Do you want to do a Windows criticism land show?
50:03 I'm sure you're down. Yeah. He's look how down he is. Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna chime into this one
50:08 We got to include teams. Look how happy he is right now. We gotta include teams
50:13 But sometimes that's not what we're talking about Microsoft
50:16 Like I man was it on the I camera. Yeah, it was on the forum
50:19 It was on LTT forum that uh, elijah did that video recently where he switched to iphone and someone's like
50:26 Well, you're talking a lot about the issues switching from Android to iOS
50:30 But you're not talking about all the issues going from iOS to Android. It's it's so bad
50:35 Like you're right. We're not talking about that. Let's know what's happening because guess what elijah didn't switch from an iphone to Android
50:40 That's not what that's not what he's fucking doing. Not every video can be about everything
50:45 So this isn't about this isn't about attacks, but it's about me being put in this position
50:50 Where I feel like I have to I have to like
50:55 Yvonne always uses like a pendulum analogy When we're talking about like like positions in an argument or we're talking about some kind of conflict where
51:05 Where she'll talk about how sometimes she feels like
51:09 Because someone else's position is so extreme
51:12 Even though the truth lies here with the pendulum at rest
51:16 She almost is forced to take this position
51:19 To try to achieve that to bring us back to very common in politics. Yeah, yeah
51:24 And so when I'm up against this is perfect and you're crazy for not recognizing it
51:30 It's like, whoa, it can have some flaws Windows has a lot of flaws. Oh, yeah, it's okay
51:35 Oh, so many so something that I find interesting about this is
51:39 Steam deck Is used by a lot of normies. Yeah, and this is steam deck verified
51:46 Would you need to make like is it different? Would you need to make changes on steam deck or would have it had would it have had the same problem?
51:53 That's a good question And genuinely don't know and if valve is implementing. So do you know what the fix was?
52:00 So the fix ended up being that I had to force vulcan
52:05 Which is a pretty reasonable Linux gaming fix
52:10 Except that and this is again one of those like how is this a thing, right?
52:14 This is a first party valve game. They literally make a Linux distro
52:19 Is not even available in the in-game menu
52:23 You have to use a launch argument for it. Yeah
52:27 So I so I typed in a thing I switched over to vulcan and then lo and behold
52:32 I've got a clip here of me gaming for
52:35 I think over yeah over five continuous minutes and it just completely working
52:41 Bang bang bang kill all the zombies running at 300 FPS. Yeah
52:45 um But that's not what buddy said buddy said no tinkering and also his fix was different from mine
52:55 Someone at Floatplane chat said Yes, steam deck is very beginner friendly
52:59 But Linux keeps picking non beginner friendly distros as far as my understanding goes popo s is widely known as a fairly beginner friendly distro
53:06 That's literally why people keep recommending it. It's also friendly for people who are on NVIDIA graphics
53:14 Which and I had someone ask this in the chat just now
53:17 Which I wasn't But what I wanted was to use the same distro across my multiple systems
53:24 Okay, my main desktop at home is radion
53:28 My laptop which is what you had the land my daily driver is radion. Yeah, uh, sorry
53:32 I had my main desktop not the laptop I kind of gestured over here and you kind of pointed this direction
53:36 It kind of seemed like it was I had my desktop at the land. I also had this
53:40 So my my main desktop and my laptop are both radion But my my downstairs gaming machine is g-force
53:47 And so is the one in the theater room, which is where I've actually been doing more of my gaming
53:51 And so what I really wanted and that's one of the special sauce things with popo s is that it's
53:56 Out of the box g-force ready. Yeah, and so
54:01 So Yes, I I I I I did pick a distro because I wanted it to be more like
54:08 Non-Linux hardware optimized friendly, but that wasn't what I was using
54:13 I was using the radion build and I I installed it onto a Ryzen radion all AMD all the time system
54:19 So there should have been no real challenge there But the challenge is just
54:25 Kept on coming I showed Luke another clip earlier, so I don't have to show it to him now
54:31 We're in hell divers too. Oh, so that's the second game that I tried to play
54:35 He sees the character moving around on screen. It's running at
54:38 I don't know I didn't I didn't install Windows on a separate partition and then benchmarked them back and forth so pretty solid though
54:43 Yeah, it was smooth. Yeah, it was smooth. It felt good
54:46 And then and then I scrolled down and you can see my mouse hand going like this
54:51 And I go back up and you can see that the mouse look is not working at all
54:55 What I never showed Luke is some of the troubleshooting steps that I went through to try to resolve that
55:01 so I tried rebinding mouse look and
55:05 If I bound look up to instead of mouse movement to like left click
55:10 I could totally look up Okay, so it was capturing the mouse
55:14 So it was perfectly capable of getting something from my mouse. My mouse was definitely working
55:20 Yeah, it was perfectly capable of tilting the camera up
55:24 But the actual mouse movement was not being registered
55:28 My controller worked perfectly though. So this was for gaming with the vip's with the whales
55:35 And so I was like Well, I guess I'm gaming on a controller. I can do that at least. Yeah. All right, man
55:40 I hate shooters on a controller, but yeah, it is what it is Also, did I did I point out to you the weird border on the top and the left? Did you see that?
55:48 Oh The weird like two pixel wide white border. Yeah. Yeah, I I never figured that one out. That's just top and left
55:54 Yeah, just top and left strange The most fun one though is the one that I'm going to show to you guys and that's this issue where my uh, here
56:03 Maybe I'll maybe I'll send this over to oh
56:07 Uh producer Dan is gone. So we're going to do this the super janky way
56:11 Okay, nice
56:14 Do you want me to switch cameras? Oh, no, you're just gonna do the front one. Okay
56:27 It's it's pretty wild I still don't I don't know how you would even make this happen because
56:33 It's not only that there's three Windows open, which I don't even know. Maybe you can do that in steam. Maybe you can't
56:38 But it's also that they're all Do they're all doing the inputs, but they're not showing the menus
56:44 So like only the one that he's actively selected on shows the menu, but when he scrolls, they all scroll
56:49 It's so strange. Did you see that though? Yeah, so this part, you know, they're not going to be able to hear you but um
56:56 As he moves his mouse over to the other window
56:59 It's still navigating in the previous one. It's a little hard to see
57:03 but like man, it's it's It's it's strange
57:09 It's uh, it's very weird. We can still hear him. Oh my bad. Sorry. I didn't think you'd be able to yell out enough
57:14 They kind of can I guess Dan's mic is there too. Um
57:17 So I've never seen that before that was weird never seen that before either
57:22 And like, you know, you can you can in a lot of different things you can make multiple versions of it come up
57:26 Um, but usually they don't all mirror the inputs and stuff steam. It shouldn't be
57:32 Yeah, I've never can you open multiple instances? I've never wanted to I've never tried never looked into it
57:39 Uh, but like you can with no, okay
57:42 You can with a decent amount of other things And so I'm gonna have a lot of people as often happens whenever I say anything critical of Linux
57:51 I'm gonna have a lot of people coming at me for this assuming that I did something
57:56 Something egregiously wrong. So and I'm not I'm not saying anything. What led up to go ahead. Do it
58:03 Do it pre-show viewers will get it
58:06 Do it. Do it. Do you count it? What led up to that? I'm like shia. I'm gonna run away from the press. I mean
58:13 Just just what what I know. I'm not saying anything. What steps led up to that like nothing
58:18 So you just launched the computer and it was just there or did you come out of a game or like, uh
58:23 Oh, it's hard to say So what would I have been doing at this point? I was playing hell divers
58:30 So I would have been so you're in the game and then you I assume you close the game and then it's doing
58:35 Yeah, and then I I oh shoot. Okay. Don't quote me on this
58:39 But I think it was when I like re maximize it or something like that. I'd like get to somehow
58:45 I really don't remember maximize the steam window. Yeah, because like if you minimize it, um
58:50 It goes you're saying you can have multiple Windows of steam open But I'm not too surprised also wasn't multiple Windows. No and and to do that
58:57 I'm assuming you'd have to like launch launch argument the like executable or whatever
59:02 I'd probably have to do something. Yeah, because steam does not behave like that normally
59:07 I've never I don't know steams on here, but I've never literally never had multiple Windows of steam open
59:12 I don't know. This is one of those dude. This is one of those things where it's just like
59:17 um
59:20 Don't blame don't blame blanket Linux blame pop o s or yourself and it's like
59:28 Unfortunately, this is one of the challenges that Linux has with wide adoption
59:34 Is that and and oh man It's it's both the most beautiful
59:39 Incredible thing about open source and it's also the biggest problem that it has to overcome is that you can find
59:47 You can find a flavor for for anything
59:51 Like was it you that I was talking to when I said something like you could have a you could have a distro of Linux
59:55 That's for like
60:01 I think I was talking to someone else and they were like really and I was like
60:05 I was like no and they're like, oh, yeah, that makes sense. That would be stupid
60:09 But like the fact that I believed you I think that might have been me actually. Yeah, maybe that was you is is so
60:15 So emblematic of the problem there's so much fragmentation and like one of the one of the things is you can say
60:24 People know it as Linux Even that in itself is flawed
60:29 Yeah, very so like so like even even that statement alone has problems. It has huge problems Linux is Linux is the kernel
60:37 Yeah, right So so to assume that people are gonna always pop prop exactly properly address the thing that might be causing the issue is like
60:47 Obviously a fallacy that that is not going to happen So people are going to just blanket call it Linux because they've been blanket calling the whole thing Linux for a long time
60:56 Um Grelwing says dmo s is not intended to be a wide release. It's an os for boutique hardware
61:02 Not actually true Val well at least not originally true when valve announced steam os and the steam deck
61:11 They announced their intention at some point to make steam os
61:15 An os that you could you could download and install on your own hardware. In fact, you can do it today
61:20 It just has to be on kind of specific hardware Which is the reason that I ultimately didn't use it
61:25 Because I do have systems that are NVIDIA and you wanted the same thing across all of them
61:29 And I I wanted to choose something that somebody with NVIDIA hardware might choose for
61:35 Ease of use especially because my plan is to install it across multiple systems
61:39 Which I haven't actually done yet because it's been such a pain in the
61:44 But um
61:49 Yeah, so let's see what else I don't actually know if there's
61:53 Anything else in here? Here's the here's the weird steam interface bug, but just two Windows this time
62:00 This was the first time I encountered it. So I actually encountered this multiple times
62:05 Which is pretty wild. I can interact with both of them
62:08 But if I mouse over one of them it like is interacting with the other one
62:12 Yeah, because like if if it was just properly two instances of steam that shouldn't be happening
62:17 So what what he's showing is two completely different Windows in two completely different areas
62:21 He moves his mouse on one moving my mouse here it interacts with the other one. Yeah
62:28 So my mouse cursor's over here and then you can see the menus on the window on the right actually moving
62:35 And in this one it was more bugged because the whole interface is just gone. It's just a black box
62:42 Yeah, that is weird. You can kind of see it like faintly in the background
62:45 Someone said did luka with mint? No Um, I decided to mix it up. I I still really like mint
62:52 I actually genuinely thought like, you know, maybe I should go back to like all faithful
62:57 I don't really actually use Linux all that much, but
63:02 That tends to be the one that I go to when I when I do use Linux
63:05 But I had been running this it's not currently sold on my laptop because we're trying to figure out a hardware problem
63:10 And they they didn't believe in Linux. So we have Windows running on it right now, but
63:15 Um, I had been running just arch on my laptop for a long time to try to prove like look if you're not doing much
63:22 On your system You can kind of run whatever and my entire use case for my work laptop is basically in a browser
63:29 So I was like, it's not going to matter and Yeah, it didn't really matter. Um
63:34 So it and and my my basically point there was like I'm not interacting with the operating system basically ever
63:40 Like I don't I didn't do anything very interesting with arch
63:43 Um, I was I'm just running two browsers firefox and chrome. That's it on arch by the way
63:49 so like So that was that was why I did that on my laptop
63:53 So I thought maybe I would try to extend that idea into the desktop space, but I didn't want to just use arch again
64:01 Um, so I went with cashy os and that's not the only reason so cashy os is built on built on arch
64:07 But that's not the only reason the other reason why I did it was because steam os
64:12 Is built on arch. Yep So I was like, okay
64:15 What's a what's a like gamer version of arch because I'm gonna want this on my desktop
64:20 I'm gonna play games here. I'm gonna do other stuff here. I don't want to just
64:24 Run arch like I did on my laptop because I'm actually gonna do more with it
64:27 The point isn't the same now right the point with the laptop was it doesn't really matter if all you're doing is a browser
64:33 And that's the beauty of Linux horses for courses. You can choose a different distro depending on what exactly it is that you're trying to accomplish
64:39 So now I'm trying to accomplish more. I'm trying to do more gaming stuff cash us
64:43 Their tagline is a performance focused arch Linux distribution that rebuilds packages with modern CPU optimizations
64:50 I don't know. I heard it's good for gaming and it's arch and
64:55 By the way, I did that on my laptop And uh and steam os is built in it. So I was like hoping, you know, maybe some kind
65:02 I don't know. Maybe things will work better through steam there. I have no idea
65:06 I didn't do a lot of research like this is the more gamery version of the thing. I've been using lately
65:10 I'll just do that super trendy. It is very trendy right now. Yeah, like it
65:15 Maybe yeah, maybe a third reason It's super trendy right now. Yeah is actually one of the reasons why I chose it. So so
65:23 Same core as steam os it's super trendy right now
65:26 And it's based on the thing that i'm using on my on my laptop anyways, so there's some familiarity
65:30 So i'm gonna jump in and go the hyper trendiness of it is actually the one of the reasons I didn't choose it
65:37 Fair enough because this kind of like flavor of the week
65:41 Oh, yeah, it's weird people have mostly forgotten about bazzite already
65:46 That's crazy That's wild to me
65:50 That's not the kind of thing that I like to lock myself into like whenever we whenever we do any kind of
65:56 Actual benchmarking or performance testing anytime anyone talks to me. I'm like ubuntu
66:02 Because It's just it's just there, you know, it might not have the sex appeal
66:09 But it's there. It's been there. It's been there for us. It's it's it's it's the it's the
66:15 If you want to look at if you want to zoom way out
66:18 Over time, it's the consumer Linux distro. It's been there for everybody. Everybody knows but
66:23 A bunch of people are saying like oh bazzite still cool. We're not trying to say bazzite isn't cool
66:27 What we're trying to say was to be personally attacked here roughly six months ago
66:31 If you discussed Linux at all and didn't say bazzite every second word
66:36 You would get screamed at and that is already no longer true
66:40 And now a lot of people are saying kashi kashi kashi
66:43 That's not that's definitely the third out of the reasons that I had but I did I was interested in checking it out
66:50 And I will say for the more involved experience because again, I didn't get this on my laptop
66:56 There are things I miss about mint Kashi's cool. It's been fine. I haven't really had any problems. Nice. Good for you. Happy for you
67:04 I there are things that I'm still planning on doing that. I suspect might cause some problems
67:08 So we'll see how that goes, but I'm only I started after you. I'm only a few days into this right
67:13 I am pretty fresh and I haven't done a ton on it. So we'll see how it goes didn't take me doing a ton
67:19 All I had to do was launch a first party valve game in steam
67:26 Oh, yeah, I didn't even talk about those audio issues. I had in discord
67:30 Oh, yeah, everyone's audio was so quiet. I could barely hear them. Did you ever fix that reboot? Just sort of magically
67:37 I did have some weird. There's a there's one of the recordings that I sent in. Yeah
67:41 After I played it back. I didn't know this while I was recording it, but after I played it back
67:45 It's like a little laggy That was happening in when I was like watching videos and a couple other things as well
67:52 I noticed it when I was watching a youtube video that the youtube video would hitch every once in a blue moon
67:57 I hadn't restarted the system literally once yet. I wonder if it's like a hardware acceleration issue or something
68:02 No idea restarted the system one time problem in a way and I had done that recording before the system restart
68:08 So I you know one restart after doing some updates and stuff. Sure not a big deal
68:13 Yeah, but that's that's the only thing I've really ran into so far But like I don't love the like package manager. You mentioned how like oh, I found the pop away a store pretty quick
68:22 Yeah, it was just the bottom left icon. It was like right there. The name was like
68:29 It's like they were trying to not call it app store. They were they were so
68:33 Desperately trying to call it anything but app store
68:36 So that they wouldn't have to call it app store that they ended up with a name that just I forget what it is
68:41 But it just like was not that obvious to me
68:44 Uh, but yeah, it's so like I'm probably gonna go get an alternative store at some point because like I don't love the default one
68:50 It works Um, there's been a decent amount of things I've I've looked for that weren't there. No, it's called pop. Hold on. Hold on
68:57 Jumping it's called pop shop, which is a perfectly reasonable name. Okay. When I when I mouse over it
69:02 It seems pretty it was called something it was called. I swear it was called something else
69:05 It was not called pop shop. I have no idea charge. Simply. I says it's not an app store
69:09 I know but sometimes we use words for things like atm machine
69:14 It's not an atm machine because the machine is the m and the b
69:18 Yeah, but like sometimes we just say things so that people understand what they are and what their function is and by the way
69:23 There's a bunch of people spamming me right now use this thing use that thing. I'm sorry. I'm not gonna listen
69:28 Uh, I'm I'm just gonna do stuff and we'll see how it works
69:31 Um, if I run into a problem, I'll google it. I'll I'll look it up in some other way. I'll I'll consult the sands
69:37 I'll do whatever But I don't want to go based on like chat recommendations because that doesn't seem like a normal
69:43 Um experience that someone would have so I'm I'm literally just gonna brain dump everything you guys tell me
69:48 Um now like yeah, if I read something on a form or whatever I'll take information from there
69:52 But I don't want to use it on alternate route. I'm also not having problems really. I just don't love it
69:59 It doesn't seem great like the package manager, but I can get a new one. Uh, not a problem. I'm not too worried about it
70:06 Um Yeah other than that like no major no major issues. I felt mint was very comfy for me
70:15 And I am now I would say
70:19 Slightly outside of the comfort zone desktop environment that I really didn't stretch for I just went with cinnamon
70:26 Which is the one that I'm most used to Um, I did also install
70:31 um hyperland Just in case I want to go have fun, but I'm very used to cinnamon
70:37 And I'm happy to be with it
70:41 So I said go with budgie. I saw that because the name I thought it might be fun, but yeah, we can use cinnamon with arch
70:47 Yeah, yeah, I have cinnamon installed on on both laptop and desktop. I think good luck re hyperland
70:53 Yeah, that's the reason why I didn't only install hyperland
70:57 I don't know that I'll ever touch hyperland. Um
71:01 I I might I might just literally not get to it apparently it's called the cosmic cosmic store. So it's uh, I
71:09 Is it is it this one? I think it's this one when I moused over it. It wasn't it wasn't super obvious
71:14 So I forget what comes up. Does it just say cosmic? I'm I'm actually not sure so don't quote don't quote me on any of that
71:21 Uh, cosmic store another another thing I'll say is like
71:25 And we have to we have to basically address this every time and and I think there is a subset of
71:31 Linux mega nerds that actually don't want the year of Linux desktop to be a thing
71:35 I know because then it would be not like
71:38 Then it's not as cool. Yes, exactly. I think that is a subset probably not that big of a subset
71:44 but I do think that is a subset of people but um
71:48 Man, yeah, there's uh, and I don't know maybe people should rtfm a little more and google things themselves and stuff
71:54 But like I'll come across a reddit thread where somebody's like, oh, how do I do this thing?
71:58 And like an arch based distro and instead of just like
72:02 Oh, here's your actually like really simple answer because the question you asked is like not that deep
72:07 There will be like a seven paragraph thing about how you're a freaking idiot and you should never touch arch
72:12 And you should probably go back to Windows you tiny little insignificant insignificant baby
72:16 And it's like dude relax Like oh my god
72:19 I think it was like I think the guy was like, how do I install steam?
72:23 Yeah, it was how do I install steam in arch and the reason why I looked that up
72:27 Which seems really basic was because I was just stunned. It wasn't in the package manager
72:32 Yeah, I was like what like really and like I ended I ended up just installing it like I I just pac-mand it
72:37 But like I was a little bit surprised
72:41 Because like yeah, I'm comfortable enough. I can use a command line and stuff, but I kind of the gooey's there
72:47 It kind of like is fine. It's almost like
72:51 Basically everything for 98 percent of people has moved to gooey
72:57 Yeah for a reason and it's weird that steam isn't in there like steams pretty normal
73:04 No Chrome also wasn't in there, but chromium was I thought that was just kind of a funny little
73:11 There might be some other reason for that But I was like, okay, whatever. I'll just try chromium and see how that goes
73:16 So I'm running chromium instead of chrome because I always I do firefox for personal stuff chrome for work
73:21 I've always done that. I the separation actually
73:24 At this point is like very fluent not doing that would be very weird
73:28 Right, like if I did personal stuff in chrome or work stuff in firefox, it would probably feel very odd
73:32 Um, so like okay, I've got my two everything's fine
73:35 Um teams is like a problem. Have you done that? Have you installed teams? I haven't installed teams yet
73:42 Oh, I like Man, it sucks. There's there's no like official
73:48 Yeah, there used to be though. There was a long time ago. Yeah, I think maybe the first time we did the challenge
73:53 There was I think I think it what I think we were right on the it was it still existed
73:58 But the support for it was like bad or something. I thought it don't don't quote me on that
74:02 But I remember us. I remember it being a thing
74:05 We definitely discussed it at the time. Mm-hmm. Yeah
74:11 If teams is reason luke will go postal. It's already annoying. Um, like I I had a meeting
74:16 So how our meetings tend to work is you get a teams meeting
74:22 That is attached to your calendar invite. So you click on that and then it brings you into the meeting. It's not
74:27 in my opinion, it's It's really wack guys. Stop telling me to try things. I'm not going to listen to you. I've already said that you can stop
74:36 I'm legitimately not I will probably avoid the things that you tell me to do
74:40 It's the most wrong thing you've ever said You said you can stop they can't
74:46 They actually can't stop
74:49 They're addicted to the shindig
74:53 But okay, so I In in Windows it you you click on that link and it'll be like, oh you have teams installed
75:00 Do you want to just open this with your desktop application and like yeah every time I would prefer to do that? Thank you
75:05 um I don't think because because it's maybe because it's an unofficial app
75:11 Maybe there's some way I can link the two. I'm sure there is I haven't done the work to do that yet
75:16 Right now it really only wants to open in the browser
75:19 So the first call that I had to take I ended up being like I answered in the browser
75:23 And then it was like a little whack and I was like, hey Can I just call you through the app and then we did and I click
75:29 Call on the app and then I think it doesn't work And like 15 seconds later the call goes
75:35 And actually does something and I'm like, oh, okay. So like the biggest problem I've had so far is just teams
75:41 um Which is kind of funny because discord actually worked
75:45 Flawlessly and in oh right. I'm glad yours was forgot about that. Sorry about that. Yeah, no
75:52 So discord and slack both worked immediately with no no issues, but yeah teams was a problem
75:57 But it seems very centralized to to teams Um, yeah rest assured says in chat you were on cosmic
76:05 Is that five question marks? That's in beta still borderline alpha. I don't know brother. I just downloaded whatever was on system 76's website. I
76:14 Yeah I don't know dude says it just says now with cosmic
76:23 I don't I don't make I don't make the rules man. Maybe maybe what I managed to do
76:29 Maybe what I managed to do was catch them at a bad time again
76:38 Wouldn't that be just the way Cosmic is borked cosmic is not new cosmic is 1.0 now see
76:46 To me 1.0 means new And pre 1.0 means not even new yet like to me to me 1.0 is the infant baby
76:56 Like it's still like completely worthless. You ask that infant baby to shovel the snow in the driveway
77:02 useless Infant baby talks it out there. It doesn't even move anything before that is in womb
77:08 So yeah, if I'd known better, maybe I wouldn't have gone popo s but now I'm gonna at least I'm gonna at least give it a shot
77:14 I'm gonna well. I feel like I've given it a shot. Oh, I don't want to change it. It's such a
77:18 I feel if if changing your operating system is not your hobby
77:23 Then this is not an attractive proposition and I think that's something a lot of people have a hard time wrapping their brain around
77:32 Yeah, yeah changing my os is not my hobby redoing the plumbing in my computer
77:39 Yeah, that's my hobby. I'm more interested. You like the hardware. I could be I could be convinced to do that
77:45 Clean out my blocks. Yeah Yeah, I I will say like
77:51 It's been fine, but it has been like
77:54 Oh, right I have to install that thing
77:58 Okay Oh, I'm not logged in on
78:01 All of the different things. That's annoying. Huh. Slack's been quiet today. Oh, yeah, I don't have that installed yet
78:08 Crap. That's why it's been quiet today. Oh, no, and then install that and then oh, everything's fine. Okay, cool
78:14 And I think it's uh
78:18 Yeah, and I think it's I think it's one of those things where like
78:21 It all depends on you know What your baggage is right? I hate logging into things
78:28 I feel like half of my life Is logging into things because I do so many
78:33 disparate tasks in so many disparate platforms that
78:39 Like almost any time I get interrupted and I have to do anything
78:43 I'm logging in again and fetching a two-factor thing again
78:47 And then going in remote desk topping into some other thing to retrieve some other token that I need to like there's always
78:55 I'm always logging into something. So if you tell me hey
78:59 Guess what Linus? There's this trendy new Linux distro
79:03 All you have to do is log into all your sh**. Yeah, okay. I'm done. I'm not interested the conversation is actually over now
79:11 That went from fun and interesting to Kill it with fire. Yeah with that with that fast
79:19 Yeah, I I do I will say I really appreciate actually the login methods for discord and steam these days
79:25 The qr coding from your phone. It's okay. Is oh, it was pretty fast for me
79:31 I I didn't even open those specific apps. I just opened my camera
79:35 The camera used the link to open that app to the screen where it did the scan thing
79:40 And then I just was like, oh, okay, that worked and then it scanned it and it just logged me an instance
79:45 I didn't do anything. It was amazing for me I have my steam password memorized. So maybe it's just
79:51 Oh, well the friction of that would honestly be faster taking anything out of my pocket is just sort of going
79:56 That's an example of how many damn times you have to log into things. I dude
79:59 I like very rarely logged in my steam I have way too many of my passwords memorized now just because it's faster than typing in my master password
80:07 And then going and getting my two-factor and then doing my single sign-on
80:15 They promised us that pass keys we're going to remove the friction
80:19 Pass keys and single sign-on was supposed to make everything magically better. Well, and then it got hyper paywalled
80:26 single sign-on getting hyper paywalled is like one of the worst
80:29 Things that have happened to modern computing in my opinion
80:33 um Yeah, I don't know right now. I need something stronger. I haven't ran into anything that would make me run back to Windows
80:41 I have only been using it for a little bit and I suspect I'm gonna hit a hard wall
80:45 Yeah, the indiana jones game hasn't come out, you know, exactly
80:49 I'm gonna hit a hard wall where it's it's an anti-cheat thing
80:53 Or something like that and I just can't run it on this system
80:56 And I'm gonna go what the heck you'll end up back on you'll hit the exact same one that I did at the land
81:03 There's seven people waiting in a lobby for me Yeah, it's gonna drive me and I'm f***ing around with my special snowflake Linux while everyone else is sitting here going
81:12 Okay, so what because of your special dietary restriction, we need to make an entirely new meal for you
81:18 Then play the game that you can play Actually, we don't really need you in our friend group that sucks. Yeah, and that happens and that happens
81:26 You maybe you have a super happy fun time
81:30 Friend group that you've been with forever and that doesn't happen to you and that's great
81:33 But that does actually happen and even if it doesn't and they're nice about it. It doesn't mean that it doesn't cause friction. Yeah
81:41 Yeah, I mean and it might happen slow. I mean, there's a there's someone
81:48 And I this is someone that I like very much
81:53 And enjoy as a person But there's someone who kind of stopped getting gaming invites from us
82:02 Because it was very high friction
82:09 And I love working for him
82:14 It's a bit of a tell which narrows things down a little
82:25 But between audio problems and just general connection stability and
82:33 You know just
82:37 Oh man, that's pretty funny. Um, oh, who'd you think I was talking about? I'm just kidding. I know who you thought I was talking about
82:47 I was gonna say there's another one Yeah, I guess wait, I guess we're those people I haven't been playing with you guys lately. I like that
82:59 Yo, what the f*** it happens, man
83:03 Mr. Tec's got a lot of tech problems. Is this just because I'm on Linux. Mr. Tec's got a lot of tech problems
83:07 I'm late for a left for dead lobby one time. Sometimes we got an hour to play and sometimes it takes you an hour to be set up
83:14 Listen
83:19 Oh, sorry, I have to update I have to update the
83:23 Transversal auxiliary Wave pump in my 14th computer in my seventh room so that I can play in the
83:32 In my theater room, but never mind that's not gonna work because little man wants to play there
83:37 So I'm gonna play in this other place and then I'm gonna play in the upstairs And then my thing isn't gonna work and I'll see you guys in an hour
83:42 I never mind I can't play because if I need some help I'll be back in 20 minutes
83:45 Actually, this these other people what if we just what if we what if everyone just remote it in my computer?
83:50 We play that way away. That doesn't work. Never mind. We'll do this other thing
83:54 Okay, you've kind of touched on a number of issues. I have a very troubleshooting
83:59 oriented personality type I I get I get fixated on a goal and sometimes my goal is something like we need to play 5v5
84:08 Yeah, and then you have issues with like exit the game barely even
84:11 Supports it or like the remote software like steam remote
84:16 What is it remote play together doesn't support that many controllers?
84:19 But but parsec does and you and you make your way down these all these like troubleshooting steps
84:24 Okay, so that's that's one of me personality issues that you've identified. Thank you very much
84:29 Another one is the multiple systems and some of them being in various states of setup. Yes, okay
84:35 That's a reflection of my fragmented mind. Sure. Okay. Let's go with that for personality flaw number two
84:41 The last one is actually This one comes up a lot and is the one that I guess I don't really talk to you guys about as much
84:49 But comes up more often than the other ones But sometimes I will go such a long period of time between gaming sessions
84:57 That like everything's everything's out of date. Everything is demanding updates. Yeah
85:01 And that is such an annoying thing about
85:05 Modern gaming that even with a fast internet connection
85:09 I need to be seated at my computer If I haven't played in a couple months
85:13 So there could be like a major patch on the game or there could be like a game ready driver or you know, whatever, right?
85:20 um Or or like just your crap all logs you out because you know how things spontaneously log you out now
85:29 And so you have to be like seated at your computer 20 minutes ahead of time in order to make your game date
85:34 It's like at that point I might as well drive to someone's house and we can just plug in controllers and play xbox one
85:41 Honestly, yeah, not one the first one
85:44 Where you just put the disc in it and you play halo Have you sick you just needler each other until everyone's just angry
85:52 you know Like it honestly just sounds more fun at that point source shotguns halo 2
85:59 The map where there's the the ramps and the towers and the blue bogey thing
86:04 Solid heck. Yeah, dude solid. No in all actuality. We just haven't been playing very much
86:09 Life's been busy. Yeah, I hear you People like every time I go to smash champs
86:15 Every time without fail someone says hey, you're back
86:20 And like I do go there once in a while, but I'm not attending
86:24 like I had been like I played ladder last night and um
86:28 Oh, you mean for the for badminton. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sorry. As you said when I go to smash
86:31 I was my brain's just like whale. No. Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah
86:35 Um So I'm just like I'm not like I'm not seeing
86:40 members of the community nearly as much as they're like Use they have gotten used to seeing me. Can you think it's been open for a year? It's pretty wild
86:48 How crazy is that it was fun having all the land attendees look through the doors and just go like whoa
86:54 It went the other way too. Oh, yeah. Yeah badminton people were like what the heck?
86:59 What is this because I was actually playing in the morning of the saturday
87:03 So I was I was playing badminton From 9 to 11 with a group that came up from seattle
87:09 So it's not like we could just like meet another time and play because they were up for a couple of them had a birthday or something
87:14 So they came up. They did the new go-kart place in richman. I haven't tried it yet. Have you been the like two level one?
87:20 It looks awesome. I didn't know we had a two level one. Yeah It just like they they were close for renovations for like ever and I want to go
87:28 Maybe we should oh, it's all man. We should do it for summer fun. Summer's coming up. Are we sweet speeder? Yeah. Yeah, I think it's that one
87:36 Multi-level tracks. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, so I want to I want to go there here here here
87:40 Luke laptop endless ways to play Oh, look. Yeah, they're they're good. This is clearly them going up. Whoa
87:46 Yeah, 30 minutes. Yeah Whoa. Yeah, I know
87:52 They have laser tagging stuff too. Is this the new like castle fun park? No, it's in richman speeders has been there for a long time
87:59 But they reno like the you know, they have laser tag. They have bowling. They have darts. They have
88:04 Mini golf like castle fun park is still my castle fun park. Yeah too soon. I know I heard they flooded again
88:12 I feel so bad for them. It's gotta be really if you visit up here
88:16 And like need a thing to do some night for some reason. Maybe your work or whatever
88:21 Castle fun park is genuinely a really good time go to castle fun. It's a bit out of the way and they've had like
88:28 Nature trying to tear them down They've they've they had some
88:31 Underground experiences like they had this really cool actually underground mini golf and stuff and their place got flooded and those underground areas got
88:39 How could abbotsford be subject to so many acts of god? Yeah, it's right in the name
88:45 It's the fort of abbots Yeah
88:49 But yeah, check this out like uh, all right So yeah, so I was playing with the badminton people and like multiple of the the group that came up was like
88:58 What is that? And I'm like, oh Well, it's like it's the land like for gaming. They're like, oh like e-sports. I'm like, yeah, kind of
89:08 If you could only play with the people at the land and pretty much everyone was bad
89:13 Yeah, yeah, kind of um, no offense. I'm including myself in that to be clear. But yeah, like uh, dude
89:19 On the badminton side, we've been open for one year and this is what it looks like right now
89:24 It's really cool. Like this is this is crazy. It like kind of yeah, you can kind of see it
89:29 But like we kind of accidentally like a whole like business
89:33 And it's it's funny, right? Because like you see so many like there's people waiting on the side right now
89:38 You can see everyone like waiting off court. You people who don't like understand
89:43 Um, the sport and the popularity of the sport
89:47 There were so many comments on the initial videos like announcing it dude those courts were like
89:52 Very active until like three four in the morning
89:56 During whale it like I would go kind of poke my head over every once in a while
90:00 And then I think there might have been a few even outside of those hours
90:03 But like I kind of stopped the late night stuff. I think was mostly LMG people
90:07 I was goofing around with them for a bit and like Yvonne was over there
90:11 I think like a bunch of the accounting people were over there and stuff
90:14 People are still using it. But yeah, like it's um
90:18 I don't know. Yeah, there were a lot of just like this is this is so incredibly stupid. This will never be a viable business. This is like guys
90:25 People need stuff to do third places, man
90:28 Yeah, you need some third places and no offense to speeders
90:31 But give me some third places that aren't a hundred dollars every half hour
90:35 I had uh, I I had never heard the term before until I was chatting with um with charade
90:42 Yeah, third places. Yeah third place. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and uh, and he was just he was just talking about like the lack of
90:48 Of third places And I'd actually like I don't know. You know how I am like someone will bring up anything and I start going like
90:55 Oh, you're like like what would be the opportunity to like to fix this and so I um, I was so I was this was actually
91:02 On our china trip and I was brainstorming with charade this idea for um
91:09 third place ink And it actually there's there's some pretty cool ideas
91:14 I I couldn't afford to do it here because it's just like kind of crazy
91:19 But the idea the basic idea behind it is you want it to remove you want to remove the decision paralysis
91:26 Of deciding where you're going and what you want to do like it's kind of the physical equivalent
91:32 Of you know how it's impossible to decide what to watch because there's so many options
91:36 Yeah, or whether it's on flecks or netflix. Yeah, exactly
91:40 Exactly that. So you go on like I'm we must have all been there you you're everyone's hungry
91:48 You fire up google maps
91:51 And there's just A zillion options. So the idea is that with third place ink you remove that friction. You just go there
92:00 So it would like have programming or events, but none of them would be posted online
92:06 And maybe the bulletin board literally like I had this idea of having like um, like like a door people style lens
92:14 So you can like look And you can you can like see what's going on today
92:19 But you can't like take a picture of it or anything You know, obviously people would people would post them, but you try to you try to discourage it
92:26 And so the idea is just that you you, uh, you just have this kind of
92:32 Uh, this kind of like programming events, whether it's like, okay, tonight. We're doing poker night
92:37 You're not good at poker. It doesn't matter. Everyone's playing poker tonight
92:40 Um flagship locations could be set up with all kinds of activities that encourage casual coexistence
92:46 So a music listening room with a jukebox
92:51 crazy idea not a new idea
92:54 But the idea being that you don't everyone doesn't just have their headphones in
92:59 There's music playing and everyone can take their turn and for 50 cents or you know, whatever for a dollar song
93:05 You pick the next song, um karaoke billiards tabletop games
93:11 Um, it'd be cool if it was membership based so you don't pay have to pay every time you go there
93:15 So you kind of remove that friction. You just go you just go hang out You'd want to be somewhere transit friendly and then you know, one of the things that came up with okay
93:23 How do you deal with unsavory stuff? You know drug deals hooking up in bathrooms?
93:28 Do you do it through a member's code of conduct? Do you?
93:31 Do you count on people to self-police? That's that's kind of as far as we got but like
93:35 Man, how much would you how much would you enjoy just having a pops chocolate shop?
93:43 You know And that's that that's a bit of a dated. That's a rare. That's a reference dated reference. Yeah
93:49 Yeah, no, I think it would be Like a country club remember remember the part about it being affordable though
93:56 That's where the country club thing doesn't really land
93:59 For most people then the the issue with it being affordable is how do you do that affordably these days?
94:05 Like how do you have that much space in camp anywhere in british columbia?
94:10 I mean, that's the one part anywhere that has population. That's the one part that most people
94:16 didn't understand about smash champs like that's
94:20 The things that they thought were stupid were not stupid at all
94:24 And the things that almost nobody flagged were very stupid the building. Uh, yeah the building itself because
94:31 That's been strange to me that people didn't put that together
94:35 The number of people mad about us acquiring the tech house, you know another house
94:41 and like Not recognizing that compared to our commercial real estate acquisitions. That's like
94:48 It shows up on the line
94:52 Oh, it's a line item. It's a line item. It's definitely a line item. It's for sure a line item
94:57 Um, but like yeah, I don't yeah, okay
95:00 I think part of the problem with this is just like magnetizing people away
95:06 from These and and these these types of things. Oh, that was sorry. I didn't I didn't mention that you you check your phone at the door
95:13 Oh, no, I meant to get there at all because like get them out of their house get them out of their bedroom or whatever
95:19 There's a video I watched from hopefully I don't pronounce it wrong. I think it's you're gonna like this though
95:23 You're gonna like this. No, sure. I'll pause this. It's fine. Yeah, hold that thought
95:26 But the idea was that you check your phones at the door, but that's okay because at the reception
95:33 You can so you can opt To leave it so that to leave it out or to put it in the box
95:39 And then if you get an emergency call Literally, you can like call third place or no, sorry. No, that wasn't the idea
95:45 That was one idea and then I was like, no, there's too many privacy issues
95:49 And then the new idea was that you have a landline at third place
95:52 And then you could you could like you'd you'd have to call and then they'd like page you
95:56 Like remember when you were trying to reach your parents at work when we were kids
95:59 Yeah, and you'd have to call the office and you'd be like scared to talk to the stranger and be like
96:04 um Is can I talk to mrs. Sebastian? Like, yeah, uh, can I can I tell her who's calling? Yeah, it's her son
96:12 Oh, okay. Okay little Linus. Uh, yeah, I'll I'll go get her and then it would be like five minutes and they'd go get them
96:18 You could potentially like if you had the phones badged by name, which wouldn't be very hard
96:24 I mean be kind of automatic. I'm assuming you're bagging it somehow with a tag so you know who to give it to
96:29 um You could just see the caller ID
96:33 If there's no caller ID, who cares just let it ring through anyways
96:36 But if there's a caller ID, you could be like so and so this
96:40 Caller ID is calling you and then that person can decide if they want to come get their phone or not
96:44 But that's yeah, that's pretty sweet. Uh, but yeah, I watch I watch this video from I think it's emil emil emil
96:50 Sorry, they say their name in the video and I already forgot how to pronounce it But uh, you should install a cheap computer in your room and I don't know why I clicked on this
96:58 But I was I think my thought process was like why why would I possibly want a cheap computer in my room?
97:03 Their argument was actually pretty good. I don't want to play it because you should go watch for msn messenger
97:08 I know um, I heard there's still versions that work. No way. I've I've shut up through the grapevine. Um, but
97:17 Their argument was that for them By doing this they might
97:23 Choose a higher medium And through doing that not doom scroll
97:29 They might watch a movie they might
97:32 Play a game. They might do something. I don't remember all the details. It's been a bit since I watch it
97:35 Uh go watch it if you're interested, but um
97:39 I liked the thought process of just like just something to keep me from doom scrolling
97:44 And I think it's the these are such crazy magnets these days and I think it's
97:49 Part of the equation probably a small part I think the biggest part is that just land and everything costs so much freaking money these days
97:54 But yeah part of the reason why I think third places are disappearing is because people just aren't
97:59 Engaging as much because they're sucked into this they're sucked into just vegetating on netflix all day. They're sucked into
98:05 Something that keeps them at home alone and it's it's
98:09 It kind of sucks. I am a person that very very much deeply values my alone time
98:14 But I also have to understand that there's kind of too much and something that would be kind of neat about a third place
98:19 You mentioned the like music listening room. Yeah How there's these I there's these ideas of being
98:25 Alone but amongst people And it is a very different thing than being alone by yourself at home
98:31 Rotting in bed it is it is very different even if you're not actively socializing
98:36 maybe you're just hanging out in the back of the
98:39 The music listening room vibing out listening to different tracks people put on maybe most of time
98:44 You're not all that interested in what it is But maybe someone puts on a song that you really jive with for some reason
98:49 And you ask them about it and forget who the band is whatever else and you have these like little interactions
98:53 It can be really healthy, especially i'm assuming a very high percentage of
98:58 Males are in the audience right now, especially for us There's a crazy like we don't socialize with any one problem going on right now where we all just spend all of our time alone
99:07 and fighting against that is like a
99:11 A valiant thing to do so this this stage in development
99:17 occurs around Two to four years and it's called parallel play
99:23 I love parallel play when a child plays alongside or near others
99:27 But doesn't play with them so
99:30 Different toys in the same sandbox or a group of kids drawing on their own papers while sitting side by side focused on their own journeys
99:36 But still aware of one another and it feels like
99:40 We're not even getting there. No sometimes parallel plays great
99:45 Um and you were saying like we end up uh, we end up alone in our homes
99:49 We also end up alone outside of our homes. Yeah, I saw this. Uh, I saw this really interesting
99:56 I see both sides
99:59 Exchange on reddit eyes forward So it was it was kind of a kind of a a women centric subreddit sure uh talking about
100:10 how How invasive and uncomfortable
100:16 And almost like borderline aggressive it is if someone approaches them in public when they have their airpods in
100:24 and you know
100:27 uh And and I kind of went and they were like
100:31 You know, oh, it's you know, when you have your pods and it makes you seem unapproachable and they're like that's the point
100:37 And I'm like, oh man, definitely see both sides because
100:44 It especially like I'm not a woman
100:48 Big surprise shocker. Oh, I know right not a woman
100:52 I would have never known but there are definitely aspects of the being a woman experience that I have
100:59 Witnessed as a as a third-party non-woman
101:02 That would make me really uncomfortable in public. Yeah, a little bit too much attention. Yep
101:07 A little bit too much attention a little bit by yourself today
101:10 Might just want to listen to my music and and jog be left alone and maybe I'm wearing short shorts because I don't want to
101:17 Wear sweaty leggings that are tied up against my legs
101:21 But that's not an invitation to you know, want to touch them. You know
101:26 Sure That makes total sense Perfectly reasonable
101:31 On the other hand, like you go out in public and like like everyone has their iPods in not
101:38 literally everyone I'm obviously being a little hyperbolic right now, but
101:42 Many people do and you kind of wonder what people like. What was it like?
101:48 Yeah before that and and Were there things about that that were maybe better and healthy
101:54 And and maybe but again, I have put the air pods in and hoped no one would talk to me before
102:00 Totally get it. Sometimes. Yeah mid conversation. I'll even put my air pod back in
102:06 Hoping that somebody might recognize a non-verbal cue, but you know without
102:11 you know, um Categorizing our community, I will say there are social cues might not be many members of the LTT
102:22 community that don't really pick up non-verbal
102:26 Yeah, body language cues. Yeah, doesn't always work. Yeah, you know, you try you try
102:33 um And you know what like I
102:37 I get that I'm not offended by it. I'm not upset by it doesn't really bother me
102:41 I'm also not a woman Totally and it really is very different experience very different when I'm getting unwanted attention from a man
102:50 it's just kind of like Bro, go do something else. It's also fascinating
102:56 I don't know. We don't need to go down this chain really, but it's fascinating to me like
103:01 if I am like attached
103:04 to Say my partner right now
103:08 Yeah, if I if I'm right right next to them or my arms around them or holding hands or something
103:13 If there is some strong indication that I am with this person. Yeah, it's fine
103:19 The second I like flowed out of the picture
103:23 It changes. It's like It's okay jealous type. Well
103:28 if If I'm if I'm so if we're like this
103:32 It's fine to talk to me
103:36 If he's not next to me That is not my point. It's not my point. My point is full like pop a bear mode. You watch out for that
103:45 My point is that like it's it's surprising how palpable and fast the change in attention can be
103:52 And like we saw we saw this in new york
103:55 I was like I was floated off to the emma was getting something from a food cart
104:01 And yuvan and I were all kind of more floated off to the side. Oh, yeah
104:05 Because we were reading the side of the thing So she was kind of on her own and some dude came up like
104:11 Pretty close right behind her and I've repositioned and then they left
104:15 And it was like it's that was fast. It's almost like we're actually like animals. Yeah, and
104:25 Everything like you know how every man somehow knows which urinal to stand at
104:32 Yeah And it's funny because women will talk about how they like don't get it
104:39 That's because you never needed to that's because a hundred thousand years ago
104:44 a million years ago You weren't marking your territory with this thing, you know, you
104:52 Like it's but it's culturally universal
104:57 Sure, yeah, i'm serious Did did humans mark their territory with this? I know dogs did did humans do that humans might not have but something at some point did
105:06 We definitely there's clearly there's clearly vestigial
105:11 Like I don't like I don't want to pee right next to another dude unless we're pretty close
105:19 Do you
105:25 Yeah, sure, sure. All right, I'll I'll follow. Yeah, like there's there's occasional social situations
105:31 I think it might just be like shyness because you have your dong out and in your hands
105:36 You don't want to be like literally shoulder to shoulder with someone but where's the origin of that?
105:42 Why do we have that shyness? Would I be shy sitting next to another dude and ripping a fart?
105:50 Yeah, probably not as much probably not I think there's something coming out of my butt and you won't like it
105:57 This might be a hot take but I think fart smelling is different than don looking
106:01 But the thing I mean you can don gazing is a little different than fart smelling at the urinal though
106:06 There's usually a barrier anyway, so it's not even about the look. It's not even rational anymore hot take if you're a tall
106:12 Dude, there effectively is not a barrier
106:16 Okay, that's fair that's fair and like you know what I'm not even trying to be like oh i'm tall you think there's a barrier for lucas
106:23 There ain't no barrier for lucas. This is true. This is very true
106:27 but What i'm basically saying is like there's things that are
106:32 That are that are non. No, I hear you don't need to be communicated. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah that are non verbal that we all
106:37 Just like kind of understand except the ones that don't um
106:41 And coming way back around some of them can make life a little uncomfortable to be a woman
106:47 Yeah, and I don't have to experience that which is great
106:50 and unfortunately AirPods might be limiting our ability to socially interact
106:56 and Third place would strive to be different somehow and probably would fail for that reason because people
107:03 people Like I said in the in that subreddit
107:06 They they liked it this way And wanted it this way and the whole third place and that's valid. It might end up a a pit of 300 dudes
107:16 That are all single everyone back in the pile and
107:21 And you know it might you might walk in that door
107:26 and Feel a little targeted when 600 eyeballs turn at you all all at once not to mention the other balls
107:35 Yeah pretty much So, yeah, I don't know. There's there's problems with these things
107:40 It is it is a tragedy that a lot of these third places are gone, but I I don't have an answer for it
107:45 Have we done a topic yet? one
107:48 Which I don't even know if we're actually done You are not we talked about the Linux stuff. Oh, I'm done
107:54 I don't have a lot to add. Yeah, I think um
107:59 There are some cozy things from mint that I miss Okay, but I'm fine so far as of right now everything that I've had to do
108:07 Has me not looking back towards Windows at all
108:10 I fully expect my final conclusion is going to be wanting to go back to Windows because I'm going to run into game compatibility issues
108:16 Um And honestly maybe because the team's experience is just so bad and I have to use teams so it just is what it is
108:25 Um, this is why I never look at youtube chat
108:29 I take the middle urinal. I love that awkward moment of silence when they have to decide whether or not to go next to you
108:35 Or go into a stall Actual monster
108:39 That
108:44 Feels like uh someone that we knew used to
108:48 vary their walking speed To be a little bit faster than you or a little bit slower than you just to see how you'd react
108:55 Do you know who we're talking about?
108:59 I can type it sure i'm gonna type it
109:04 That checks out
109:09 I didn't know that they did that it feel it feels like that type of thing just they just it's just the like social observation
109:16 They just want to see yeah, okay Yeah, um evan picked up on a tizm thing from me that I hadn't realized that I was still doing
109:25 Um, so like like years into my relationship. She finally acknowledged it out loud. She's like
109:32 Oh, yeah, you're doing that thing where you don't step on cracks. So it makes your it makes your gait really uneven
109:38 um But it's fine and I was like, oh god now. I'm like hyper aware of this
109:45 I do stuff like that all the time but that was that's not me doing it on purpose to find out how other people will react to it
109:50 Yeah, I don't think I even sort of hide that I'll like really dramatically like I'll either on purpose step on all of them
109:57 Or not step on them or something. I have to force myself to not I'm just thinking about it
110:00 Which makes me think about it a lot. That makes sense and then I just walk with very even
110:06 I actually try to walk in like super robotic
110:09 She's two inches shorter than me But women tend to have proportionally longer legs
110:15 Compared to their torsos. So our legs are almost exactly the same length. I'm an eyes are exactly same
110:19 Yeah, so we so so I can so if I pay attention to it at all
110:25 Then I uh, then I can just like walk completely and lockstep with her and then I and then I don't have to think about it as much
110:30 Because if we're attached Then I don't have to look down and think about where I'm stepping. I'm just a child when I walk
110:36 I'll jump on all the lines or avoid all the lines. I'll if there's like a little
110:41 You know, I don't know what you want to call it a little flat bit
110:44 Like stopping the you know dirt on a slope or something. I'll I'll try to walk on that nice
110:51 Who knows nice do whatever. Oh a puddle. Yeah, totally. That's me for sure
110:56 I'm about walking. I'm gonna have fun. Whatever Uh, what are we supposed to be doing?
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114:05 On the show so want to show them a couple curated ones Dan
114:08 Yeah, sure. We've got a bunch here already Last week you talked about apple headphones on Android with updates
114:15 What's your take on samsung only supporting 3d spatial audio on its own headphones?
114:22 I use sony and it has no support for it
114:25 Generally samsung's fault generally speaking
114:29 Vendor lock is not something that i'm a huge fan of
114:34 However 3d spatial audio are we talking the kind where it knows where it is
114:42 Relative to the position of your device. Do we know that this is samsung's fault or is this something that they specifically had to build
114:50 for Like on their hardware in order to make it work. I I legitimately don't know my new pair of headphones
114:57 I'm just asking spatial audio like you've described and it works with literally anything
115:02 Okay But is that because they did a bunch of extra work or is it because samsung specifically?
115:07 I guess what i'm asking is did samsung specifically lock it out or did they just not put in the work
115:16 That I don't know that I don't know in general though
115:19 No, I consider that to be a downer if they are selling these headphones as having 3d spatial audio
115:25 and It only works on a samsung phone
115:29 It's it's it's a pretty crummy user experience. I want to be able to
115:34 I want to be able to mix and match. I don't want to have to Buy my next phone from samsung just because my headphones happen to be from samsung and I really like 3d spatial audio
115:43 I don't happen to really like 3d spatial audio. So it's not a big issue for me
115:47 But your mileage may certainly vary on that. I know some people like it Dan. I do you like 3d spatial audio?
115:53 I have never used the feature So no, I don't need
115:58 Okay Cool. I mean I have you not use the feature because you don't like it or do you
116:03 I don't use it because it's I don't like it got it fine with stereo
116:07 I did try one that was like 3d in a space that was kind of neat like it was kind of more
116:16 Now it's kind of sounds like you're in a good room
116:19 Which is a little different. Oh, yeah, but that's different like that's just like a type of it
116:23 But not the like that's like your head. It's coming from speakers
116:27 Yeah, but that's like a dsp thing. That's like the good old-fashioned eax. Remember eax. Yeah, we're just regressing
116:34 I guess you could play around with the eax profiles in the in the
116:38 train station and my music sounds worse Dude, I remember yeah, right like I'd always I'd play around with it for 30 seconds just like that
116:45 And then I'd be like, well, this is stupid. I guess I'll just not use this anymore
116:50 I was like, uh, pretty much. Yeah, you know
116:53 Vaporwave played in a dead mall from another room and you're having in a hallucinatory episode
116:58 That kind of genre before that was cool could have your mp3 player play that your mp5 player or whatever
117:08 Anyone else, uh, anyone else? Yeah chat's not all excited about 3d spatial audio. That's for sure
117:15 So if it's vendor locked for a feature that you think is dumb, does that matter?
117:19 Oh, yeah, it still matters because it's the principle of the thing, you know
117:28 Ah Yeah, like if you have like a
117:33 I don't know you have a a lollipop where if you press a button and it makes it taste like cum then like
117:40 Sure, most people probably don't want that
117:44 But if you arbitrarily you never lock it out to only iphone users because you assume maybe they just
117:51 You know like the taste of corporate dong then like
117:57 That's not that's not your decision to make for them. They should Android users should be allowed to love corporate dong too. Yeah
118:04 Some of them some of them for sure do I suspect that product would have a very small but extremely dedicated audience
118:11 I bet it wouldn't be as small as you
118:18 Could you like upload a taste profile eq your throat
118:31 Just leave a couple beats there, uh, would you want another one? Yeah, anything
118:36 No Look, please give us a mini networking infrastructure lesson
118:43 Why is running a vpn has me gold mine, but serving video is a money pit
118:48 Oh, that's actually that's actually a pretty good question Are users watching videos on a vpn and not just as bandwidth expensive?
118:56 It's just not as um
119:00 I don't know the I can't remember the the the vpn
119:04 But there's a vpn that gives a lot of public data, which is how we figured a lot of this information out on the cost of benefit
119:12 Um, what's the wind one wind scribe, but uh, oh that sounds right. Um
119:20 vpn based in canada they're based in canada that's no that sounds right It was a canadian one of them correctly. Yeah wind scribe wind scribe current status. Maybe
119:29 There's two users. This sounds like this looks like the right page. Um, maybe there's more information here
119:35 But you can yeah, you can see the network utilization the current users and the registered users
119:42 And and basically what the effective
119:46 Oh Is this I feel like there might have been
119:51 More information on this in the past or maybe i'm tripping or maybe there was some other way we got it, but but basically
119:59 The the vibe that we got Is that it kind of seems like a lot of people turn the vpn on
120:07 Put the hat on Do some pirate hat wearing things and then turn the vpn off and often turn the vpn off
120:15 Pretty much all the time the average utilization of vpns
120:19 Does not seem very high because the the experience of browsing with a vpn sucks. It's just constant captures
120:27 Slower browsing speeds. Yeah, and unless you are wearing your tricorn hat
120:33 Yeah The vast majority of the things that you do online
120:38 um Unless you're really really like really trying to avoid anyone, you know fingerprinting or or creating an advertising profile for you, which i am
120:49 Not convinced that most people are willing to put in the work to actively avoid
120:55 Yeah, I I just I I don't see the I don't see the point of it if i'm not traveling
121:01 Or like where I need to get around like a great firewall of some sort
121:05 Or if i'm not downloading something sketchy
121:09 I don't have my vpn on Yeah, and that's I think the vast majority of people and the huge gaps between that allow them to save a lot of money
121:18 uh, there's also like I
121:22 Think the quality of service is not expected to be super high to be completely honest
121:28 Like if if you're watching a video and the next chunk doesn't show up, you're immediately pissed off
121:33 You're immediately messaging support. You're mad. Yeah, there was a buffer. What are you talking? What is 2026?
121:40 Which is fair enough But if you're using a vpn and you're torrenting something which is specifically someone said in chat is like, oh, that's a lot of data through torrents though
121:48 Because because if people are mostly just pirating stuff
121:52 First of all, you're probably not really staring at it the whole time it's downloading anyways
121:55 And it's a torrent you're going to expect a lot of ups and downs So if a little bit of that comes from the vpn, it's probably fine
122:01 So there's like the quality of service expectation is in the dirt
122:05 And the amount that people are just not actually even using the service is in the dirt
122:10 There's a ton of people that have subscriptions and aren't even using them
122:13 If you don't have a subscription, by the way, now seems like as good an opportunity as any to talk about the
122:19 Really good deal you can get on pia vpn Pia
122:23 Linus tech tips link Dan do you want to throw the link in the various chats? Sure thing. Cool. Good. Oh, hey, it's you
122:29 I didn't know this was like our own thing. Yeah Look at him
122:33 Look at that. Linus tech tips fans save more with pia vpn. You don't even have to be a fan to save more
122:37 You can just click this link. That's true. You could hate me and still save more. That's true
122:42 Yep But yeah, it seems to just be that people's usage of vpns is really low and we we talked to a couple people in the industry we
122:52 We poked around that I think it was wind scribe and a few other different sites that were like very transparent about things
122:59 And we were like, oh wow people really
123:02 Don't be using this too much compared to the amount of like actually, you know currently registered users connected users
123:08 It was very interesting to see the connected users versus network utilization
123:14 And the registered versus connected users I I don't remember but I think we figured out someone got the gi joe reference. Yeah
123:20 For some reason pia in my head just always sounds like gi joe, but it's pia. I don't know why
123:27 I do that all the time
123:32 Yeah, see that's that's what people do with nps. They download something real quick and then they stop using it for a month
123:38 I Don't know how many people understand what we're talking about right now. I only care about the people who get the reference
123:47 Everybody else can leave. I want to be alone with them bottom massage machine go
124:00 Yeah, so but it basically what we learned was a lot of people pay for it
124:05 Yeah, a lot of people pay a decent amount for it. Yeah
124:09 And a lot of people Don't really use it that much whereas Floatplane. I think our usage is actually pretty high usage is pretty high
124:16 Every subscription service you're gonna have I don't remember what they call it
124:19 But people who have subscribed and are basically dead accounts where they just like they don't check their credit card that much
124:24 And they've just been paying but they don't actually use the service every service has that
124:28 R seems to have a lot of active users. I'm not complaining about that at all. It's almost like we it's almost like we advocate for
124:35 You know not wasting your money. I would rather you did. I want you to use Floatplane. I want you to enjoy it
124:41 and But vpns are kind of it feels like the opposite end of the spectrum
124:45 Yeah, I had someone make a comment to me that the smash champs business model
124:50 Will probably struggle from the people who buy the annual premium membership and play like six seven days a week
124:57 I'm like bro. No, that's what we want. Yeah, we want people here every day
125:01 We want we want this to be a community vpns are also and I mean
125:07 Like all of them as far as I know, so I'm not signaling any of them out and I do think I'm actually talking about paa
125:12 It's way more expensive to subscribe for one month
125:16 Compared to subscribing for longer periods of time. Well, yeah So if you at least totally makes sense the business model totally makes sense
125:22 But it creates a situation where it's like if you didn't use a vpn at all that month
125:27 But you might next month You don't really want to cancel it
125:30 So a lot of people would just have vpn subscriptions Even if they don't use it for four or five months at a time
125:34 And then you might have a spike in usage where they're like I'm going to download a ton of stuff and they connect it and do a ton of torrents and download things overnight or whatever
125:42 Every Linux iso like we're doing the Linux challenge right now. So we needed so many Linux
125:46 I had to download every single Linux iso and every version
125:50 Yeah, every season. Yep of popo
125:53 But but yeah, mulvad has flat billing that's cool. I don't know
126:00 Like some of them are big like game of mint has like so many seasons
126:10 That's cool that they have flat pricing archerton, but arch very nice
126:15 But but yeah, it's it's very common that people don't want to cancel because now they might need it or
126:21 Even if say the mulvad thing where apparently they have flat pricing, which is neat
126:26 Even then you might not want to cancel because yeah, you're gonna have to go subscribe again
126:29 If you need it and you might need it next week or something. So I'll just leave it
126:32 It's only like five bucks. There's a lot of the I'll just leave it going on with vpn
126:37 I've had an active subscription to paa in spite of the fact that they're like an affiliate of ours for like
126:43 10 years or something like that because it's just more convenient to just kind of have it. Yeah
126:48 Um fire cat speaking of convenience decided it was more convenient to type this into
126:54 chat instead of into A search engine
126:59 So I save them the work. Yes paa works on Linux
127:04 That's that's one that I I have a real hard time wrapping my brain around. Um
127:10 But there you go. You got your answer and you got noticed so
127:14 It's double accomplishment. I feel like it's beginning. He's slowly becoming a Linux, bro
127:19 Me? Yeah, hold on. Hold on. Don't make me pull this out. Why did you read them?
127:23 Just send them a link to the wiki. Don't make me pull this out. Don't make me pull this out
127:29 What is this bad now? What is this? Is it just not hgbs? I don't think it's hcbs certificate date invalid
127:37 Oof
127:43 It's probably fine
127:46 I won't let them see me do it. It's probably oh no normally uses encryption
127:50 When chrome tried to connect to it for you the website sent back unusual and incorrect credentials
127:57 Um You cannot visit it right now. Oh wait, why is it dot app?
128:04 What the heck just happened? Oh, did you get sponsor linked? Is it dot app? No, it's not sponsored. Has it always been dot app?
128:14 Shut up
128:20 Dude, it's been years since I've tried to use this Okay, is it just let me let me google that.com. No, this is also just let me google that
128:37 Let me google that.com. I'll share my screen. Wait
128:42 Let me google that.com interesting. Let me
128:45 Google that for you.com here. Hold on. I'm coming back to me for a second here
128:51 Also goes to lmgtfy.com and also has the uh certificate invalid issue
128:58 Go figure. All right
129:02 Anyway, yeah, so this is what it does if you're not familiar is it just puts up a little cursor and then
129:07 Types it for you and then oh interesting
129:12 It still shows the sponsored results though in spite of being
129:15 Whatever g private is have you never heard of g private?
129:19 What is g private? Are we on are we on a little side quest?
129:25 Simple untracked private search google search, but it's 100 private learn more
129:32 Okay Take our word for it or like
129:37 Well
129:40 Like what what what what is this I have no idea committed to protecting your privacy
129:47 add affiliate disclosure James Lacey of the shop wise group is owner of g private.com
129:55 Okay, all right cool
129:59 Here's this postal code Sure. Oh boy
130:04 Well, no, this is right. It's right on the site. It's in the privacy page right there
130:09 I I didn't I that's probably a p.o. Box
130:12 sure
130:16 All right, should we maybe do some topics nope
130:20 Wikipedia Has blocked archive.today and started removing
130:26 Over 690,000 archive links from the pedia
130:33 Um citing security risks and reliability issues
130:38 The decision followed reports that archive.today's operator. This is freaking wild
130:44 Like I I've used archive today to get past paywalls before
130:47 Because I just want to read that one article and I'm sorry. I'm not
130:51 I think a lot of people use it for that
130:56 Yeah, that's a self decided totally okay. Um and and I mean look
131:03 I actually I'm not going to argue that that one's okay
131:06 Because a huge part of the decay of the quality of our journalism has been people's unwillingness to pay for it
131:13 Yeah, but it is pretty tough when I came across one article. I wanted to read on a site
131:19 in the last year
131:22 And this is the first one and I'm just like Yeah, I don't know. I don't think that's going to happen today. So
131:28 archive today Sometimes that's what happens today is something that I have used and looking at this
131:35 I am now deeply uncomfortable ever using it again. Let's talk about that
131:41 The operator embedded malicious code into captcha pages
131:47 Allegedly using visitors web traffic to help generate a ddos attack
131:52 Against a blog called gyro veg run by janny
131:57 Patokalio who published research about the background of the operator behind the archive
132:05 Editors also reported that some archived snapshots. This is actually
132:11 Okay, we could probably have a really long conversation
132:15 About which of these things are worse
132:18 And I don't think there's a wrong answer Yeah, but I feel on my initial reaction that this next part is actually worse
132:29 Editors also reported and we're talking wikipedia editors. Oh, yeah that some of the archived snapshots on archive dot today were altered
132:39 Including a case where the credited author of a blog post was reportedly changed within an archived capture
132:48 This Combined with an absolutely bonkers set of threats made from the operator toward janny patokalio
132:57 Including the threat of a gyro veg branded gay dating app
133:02 Made wikipedia editors determined that the service posed reputational and security risks
133:08 Which when I first read just the subject line of this happening not in not in the whandock
133:13 I read this a bit ago, but when I when I read the subject line of this happening
133:16 I was like what that sucks and then I read more into it. I was like, whoa, that makes a lot of sense
133:23 This is really important Archive dot today is not the internet archive. Yeah, they are two different things
133:30 So far the internet archive
133:33 Has has not and that that includes the wayback machine has not done anything
133:38 To make us question their their integrity and credibility that group. Yeah
133:44 archive today just completely
133:48 Obliterated whatever goodwill they might have had because your entire your entire
133:54 raison d'etre as as an archival
133:59 Um Well archive damn it
134:02 I painted myself into a bit of a corner there And it kind of sucks because a lot of these archive sites have been like amazing for so long
134:08 Like internet archive is so based. Sorry. I didn't finish that sentence, but your entire value is that we trust you
134:17 To to be an accurate record of what we otherwise might have lost. Yeah
134:23 You're supposed to be Built on a rock solid foundation of truth and accuracy. That's that's the whole point
134:30 Is that things are not forgotten and lost and and allowed to be obfuscated or gaslit in the future
134:37 So if you're gonna do that You're cooked. Yeah
134:42 Like wayback machine has been used as like hard fact for a long time. Yeah, and like yeah
134:49 And it has to be that if it's anything other than that
134:52 Then it's worthless now. Yeah
134:56 It's rough totally understand the decision and agree with in my opinion
135:00 You can't uh, you can't do those things. You can't associate with those things
135:03 You can't associate with an archive that's editing data. Like it just doesn't work
135:07 That's that's crazy fundamentally doesn't work Also, like I have no idea if this is the case
135:12 But like I have noticed times when I go to archive a page and it seems like it's like doing a lot
135:18 For a long time. I wonder if my connection was being used for a didos attack
135:24 It says it was incapsis though But then like like have you ever actually tried to submit a page for archival? No, okay
135:32 It does like a whole bunch of stuff which kind of
135:35 And I don't I don't know the exact mechanism that it uses because I've just it's just like compressing never looked it up
135:41 I've never figured it out But what I assume is that it's easier for them to grab the assets through you and have you upload to them
135:48 Rather than you just flag it to them and they try to download it because they would probably get they'd probably get flagged for all
135:54 The archive requests that they're doing That's that's my assumption, but I really kind of interesting now don't know that
136:00 Um, but there's been times when it's taken a really long time
136:04 For just like a text page and I haven't really fully understood why that would be and I wonder if
136:10 If you know my my upload was used
136:14 For this in some way. I don't I don't know I don't have a single clue
136:18 Me neither a nip less cage asks. Why would one archive a page?
136:22 So reasons to archive include Logging changes before they happen. So this has come up a lot recently with the doj in the us's publication of the epstein files
136:33 There's been a lot. There's there's a huge tech conversation that somehow we have
136:40 Not had around the the epstein files
136:44 Around preservation of data and government censorship and government manipulation of data
136:51 There's been multiple documented cases where they have made changes to either the redactions or in some cases
137:00 By removing data that was originally published in order to
137:06 Make it more difficult to find
137:11 So yeah, that's a good reason I've done some personal archiving but I haven't submitted something for archiving like I know there was uh
137:19 There was a particular video not that long ago that said some particularly disgusting things
137:25 And I didn't actually want that person to be able to get away with just like pulling it down or whatever
137:29 So I myself downloaded and I had multiple other people downloaded as well. I think I have that video. Yeah
137:36 So like Uh, there are things like that that I've done. Yeah, but I it's it's always been a personal effort
137:42 I haven't submitted for archive anything another really good reason is it can just be kind of a fun time capsule
137:48 Oh, totally going and browsing NCix.com from 2005
137:53 Is both fun and also educational NCx.com on the way back machine is wild. It's pretty fun
137:59 And so being able to see accurate like definitely accurate
138:03 Which is again why the trust is so important accurate pricing
138:06 From back then being able to call back specs see how it was marketed
138:12 Right, that's something that's not going to be captured on an incredible resource like tech power ups
138:17 You know GPU. What what do they call it? They're like GPU. I don't know, but it's awesome index
138:22 Um, but that won't be captured there. You won't see what the retail pricing was you won't see what the product photos looked like
138:30 So so an archived snapshot of the site from that time is irreplaceable in that way nothing else can do that
138:38 Another reason would be to circumvent paywalls. I mean I already kind of talked about that is they have their
138:44 their vays of downloading the entire page and then
138:50 Just making that available without any kind of like scroll to
138:55 Sign up to keep reading or whatever else
138:58 What do you what do you what are you up to over there? I'm loading NCx from 2005. Oh, yeah, baby
139:04 Get that lexmark z705 color inkjet printer
139:09 Pentium four This is man, dude. This is what i'm talking about though. Where's some RAM can I get some RAM?
139:16 People people are so upset about how expensive tech is and i'm just like bro. It's like
139:23 Yeah, it was always it was always expensive 512 megs for 162 bucks. Let's go
139:30 Hyper x baby Get that coarser value select buddy. That's
139:36 That's the move coarser value select
139:39 These old kingston hyper x like blue with the with the silver like pincher things on it
139:46 Those are legendary. That ain't nothing compared to my uh, my ocz platinum though one gig
139:53 Get that platinum super super mirror silver heat spreader
140:00 And that was uh, that was back before they were honeychuling to save on material
140:04 Mushkin still exists fun fact. I know they just because of ncx. They don't in my brain
140:09 Yeah, because ncx is gone They were like ncx was like my only portal to muskine products
140:14 How cool would it be if we could bring back ncix.com? I'd still love to do it. They'd be pretty sick
140:21 There was way back machine snapshots from 2026. What's going on on nci of ncix. Yeah, let me let me oh, no
140:27 I think it's still a thing Didn't someone try to
140:31 I think someone tried to bring it back January 23rd. There's a snapshot. Ew
140:36 Let's see what it is. Is it just some ai junk?
140:40 Oh my god. No, no, no, don't look don't look don't look. Okay. This is crazy
140:44 This is this is crazy. Check this out
140:48 Wait, what was that first one? Wait, what the it redirected to this? Oh, it was worse before
140:54 Oh, the last one was a you. Oh wait. Yeah, there it is
141:00 That's crazy
141:04 Oh Man
141:09 What I've never heard of this thing
141:14 I mean it looks horrible It kind of does
141:17 Oh, well, it looks absolutely horrible. Do you want anime bobs?
141:23 What if we showed you anime bobs?
141:27 Sure Gonna have my junk throw away email. Yeah
141:34 This looks like an uh, no, I was I'm sorry. I'm having troubles responding right now. Please try again later
141:42 a little cost-free Uh, I mean, I didn't I didn't I didn't say anything bro
141:49 Ask me. Okay. Um, what would Linus think about being on this site?
141:57 Uh, any enter doesn't send. Oh my god enter doesn't send
142:01 Uh There's one login. It's keeper. Oh, dude
142:07 Keeper on the on the two factor
142:10 Enter doesn't confirm it. Oh, really? It drives me on desktop. It drives me nuts weird. Anyway, hold on. I'll increment the counter
142:21 Okay, you should hold up. Oh my
142:25 Oh gosh Uh, which Linus are we talking about here? We well, he definitely wouldn't use alarm or
142:34 Yeah, uh emergency light emoji the Linux kernel daddy Linus torvolds would absolutely hate being on
142:41 This site if it's any social media cesspool
142:46 Dude straight up called is this trying to like
142:50 Is this the is this the way this site thinks I would talk?
142:54 Uh, I guess a disease that encourages bad behavior spills energy drink
143:02 Wait, but if you mean me Linus Sebastian from LTT, I'd be like sponsor block activated, but only if they send a 4090
143:14 Torvolds tried google plus once because it was less mindless, but bailed
143:20 So it goes back to talking about torvolds again
143:23 Yvonne's take just use FaceTime boomers
143:29 Verdict This is that's brutal so stupid. That's actually just not good
143:43 Yikes
143:47 What the hell is Linus social opinion
143:51 Uh, I don't know. What is that?
143:55 Uh, is that is that on here?
143:58 Linus, yeah, this is dude. This is so bad
144:04 Okay, it was just redirecting to the youtube channel for a bit there
144:10 That would definitely be a better thing for it to do it did that like in january, so I'm still poking around
144:15 Oh, like of this year. Yeah There was there was one day. I think it was this one
144:22 Let's see. It's on the 23rd Yeah, youtube
144:26 That's definitely a better place for it to go than this hot garbage. It's back to it's back to garbage
144:32 There's a bunch of snapshots in 2025. What was going on here?
144:36 There this one three snapshots in one day. What was happening?
144:39 I
144:43 Really wish that oh, yeah, this is just the domain being available page. I think
144:48 Or like being for sale or something. Oh man. So does that mean that whoever this chatify life.ai has acquired it now then
144:57 That would be really disappointing because I would I would have loved to buy it and resurrect it, but
145:04 I just yeah, there's a buy this domain thing. Yeah
145:07 Okay, well, that's a shame
145:14 The owner of ncx.com is offering it for sale for an asking price of
145:18 One million dollars. So I was aware of that which is why I didn't buy it
145:24 Yeah, screw that. It was worth a fraction of that. The meme is not worth that. Yeah
145:30 There's there's I'm like, I'm sorry, but it's been way too long. No one really cares anymore except for crystal says no
145:36 It's still for sale For a million dollars well
145:41 Which might as well mean it's not are there services where you can like lease redirecting
145:47 Because that kind of makes probably So you find like yeah, no, that's got to be a thing right you find parts domains and you just like part domains
145:55 Like get a little bit of traffic. Yeah, because ncx would for sure get a little bit of traffic. Yeah, people are saying. Yes people are saying. Yes. Yeah
146:03 Okay Oh
146:09 Okay, this this message from Helen Keller for 2069 is a little confusing, but I think I understand what they're saying
146:15 I'm clawing back a charity website for a client that got turned into a naughty website
146:22 Oh a clawing back aid. So yeah, a charity website that existed and was a thing
146:27 And the client who owned it had it turned into a naughty website so that they could just like steal traffic
146:33 That's yeah, oof. That's rough That's rough
146:37 Do y'all own the ncix youtube channel? No. So the ownership of all the ncix intellectual property is
146:46 Complicated which is one of the big reasons why we haven't made a real serious written offer for it
146:54 because the original owner of it has a version in his mind of who owns it
147:02 and the creditors After the bankruptcy have a version in their mind of who owns it and
147:12 They don't necessarily agree and somehow the domain and trademark and youtube channel
147:21 were not Resolved at the time of the bankruptcy
147:27 So we have in the past approached the the group that handled the bankruptcy
147:34 on behalf of the creditors and said
147:38 Hey, so You guys didn't like get this. So if we buy it
147:44 Do you Do you Commit not to pretend that it's yours because you like never got it and they're like
147:52 We're not even going to look into that Which basically is a big problem for us
147:58 That's not interesting enough for us right now. Once you guys make it a very popular domain again
148:03 Then it will become suddenly interesting for us again
148:06 Yeah, so it's it's untouchable. So it kind of it kind of is
148:11 Is doomed to rot forever
148:15 Um Unless the owner allowed it to lapse maybe and we sniped it
148:21 But even then the trademark could be
148:24 Could be a problem I don't even know that for sure
148:28 I didn't know there was someone on the acx channel that I didn't know
148:32 I don't recognize this guy. Oh, oh shoot. Um
148:37 I think he's uh, he's someone's brother. Oh, okay. Yeah
148:42 Is that Oh, wait. Well, I don't want to like dox him. Yeah, I know. I mean he's someone's brother probably
148:49 Like statistically speaking
148:53 If anyone he's in a few of them. Yeah
148:56 I want to say
149:02 Thumbnails were pretty good
149:08 I did stuff for a long time. I must have really not been paying attention at the end there
149:12 Makes sense. We kind of have a lot going on
149:16 Oh, here we go Uh
149:19 His name is Barrett Got it
149:23 cool Yeah, he's Luke's brother
149:27 Yeah Cool Let's go with that. Yeah one lost
149:33 He actually did some work for us at one point. I think. Oh really really nice guy. Yeah, cool
149:37 Uh Floatplane announcement Uh, but couldn't come to whale land. Well, guess what?
149:43 We released a vlog featuring Sammy's very first land experiencing
149:49 Here's the vlog it includes very normal things like a firetruck
149:54 That's for gaming. See see all the gaming happening in the back of the fire truck
149:57 There is a lot of gaming happening in the back. There's actually a lot of gaming happening elsewhere on the fire truck
150:01 I'm not going to spoil the entire fire truck video
150:05 But there's there's a lot of like pretty
150:08 Pretty wild fire truck things that happen that involve gaming and whatnot. Oh, that's not on the fire truck
150:14 But whale land whale land was pretty cool. A lot of cool stuff at whale land. You should check out the vlog
150:19 Oh, yeah, Floatplane audiences loving this one so far with the 300 to 1 like dislike ratio. Nice
150:26 Uh small cameos from bringus studios and dank pods
150:30 And Linus doing the thing What does that mean?
150:35 Oh, did you drop something?
150:39 Just happened it was just at the end of the video already. Yep. Yeah, there it goes
150:45 All right, thank you. Thank you for that Sammy. That's very helpful
150:49 Check it out at LMG.gg slash fp wan
150:55 Nice all right Oh
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154:58 That's terrific. I liked it. Um
155:06 This is a extremely not planned topic and it's not even really a topic
155:09 But I just decided to check out steam charts for some reason. I was like, I wonder what people are really doing
155:13 So that's what you do on the show when you're not listening to me talk or talking
155:16 You're doing an ad spot. There's not much for me to do
155:20 Um and two things three things really stood out to me one our graders is still destroying. This is crazy
155:27 Wow That's that's actually wild 170,000 people on our graders. It's almost like people wanted an extraction shooter
155:34 That's slightly less of a giant piece of shit
155:37 Yeah, 5m. I was like, what's that even I've never heard of that. It's just uh, uh, like mod things
155:44 So people can play gta online So there's still that many people playing gta online
155:49 Wow wild and then I saw a bongo cat and I still can't fully tell what this even is
155:53 Baku Baku Donk donk donk donk. It seems like
155:58 It just like sits on your taskbar and as you type like things happen. That's a bonsai buddy. Yeah
156:05 How is so they're typing a notepad and it just goes Bunk bunk bunk bunk and then it like records bonsai buddy. Still a thing all these years later
156:13 I don't know but look at this Overwhelmingly positive reviews
156:18 22,000 of them. How much does this cost? Uh, oh, it's free. It's free. Okay. That makes a little bit more sense. That explains a lot, but are there
156:26 Oh, it's one of those. It's banana game
156:31 I should just scroll down It's just banana game
156:37 Okay All right
156:42 Sounds good. Well, that was a fun side quest. Yeah
156:46 Okay Donut Labs
156:49 Based in Finland Claims to have made a solid state EV battery. Oh
156:56 They recently announced they've created this holy grail of battery tech after only being founded in 2024
157:03 Wow, for those wondering solid state batteries pretty cool
157:07 The idea is that they replace the flammable
157:10 Highly combustible liquid electrolyte used in lithium ion batteries with a solid substance that is capable of higher energy density
157:18 And faster charging. Uh, I think also they're supposed to be lighter
157:22 But I guess that's another way of saying higher energy density Um, historically though, they have been very difficult to manufacture
157:30 This technology has been researched to pretty much no avail for decades with EV manufacturers pumping money into it hand over fist
157:39 Toyota's advanced battery research for instance has 13 and a half billion
157:44 That's what the be of funding with a focus on solid state
157:49 So that's exciting Except that there are some, um
157:55 skeptics Donut Labs has responded to skepticism with the
158:01 I do do not believe series where the company is sharing third party test results with the independent
158:08 VTT technical research center of finland
158:11 However, following VTT's fast charge performance test
158:16 Xeroth a youtuber with a phd in electric propulsion whose master's thesis was about solid state batteries
158:22 Cast further doubts on the product in his video called
158:26 testing the world's first solid state battery. I'm not going to
158:31 Um, tell you everything that he says in his video because you should really just go watch it. It's a really good video
158:36 I've heard it. Yeah, I haven't seen it. I've heard it's fantastic
158:39 But there are a few important things to point out. He says that
158:43 VTT's test results what oh did he actually say this part?
158:47 I'm not sure if he said this part, but I was reading about it as well So now I'm getting his video and my reading a little bit confused. So let's not say where I got what but here's something
158:56 That's really important
159:00 The
159:03 Yeah, the uh, yes, so the technical research center VTT technical research center says
159:09 We tested the provided solid state battery from donut Labs
159:14 I forget if they like actually put it in quotes or like how they worded it
159:18 But basically they worded it in such a way the solid state was a name instead of a thing that they're saying
159:24 What donut Labs says they sent them?
159:27 But they are not they have not actually been tasked
159:31 With confirming proving that it is in fact solid state and they have not done any destructive testing on it
159:38 So in a way, it's it's kind of wild. It's like if I it's like if I made a okay
159:45 Let's say that LTT's true spec cables. Let's say they were crap hypothetically
159:50 But I called them true spec cable
159:55 And then I sent them to some third party validation lab
159:59 And had them test something like kind of unrelated to the speed they run at for instance
160:04 And I was like, yeah, did you guys can test the the bending radius or something voltage drop
160:09 And then if that test lab were to say We tested LTT true spec cables and found that the bend radius is this much
160:18 It's kind of like credibility washing
160:22 If that makes sense for sure in a way Because VTT never actually says it's a solid state battery, but they like
160:31 tested The donut solid state battery. So I forget whether that came up in my reading or whether that was in the video
160:37 But that was that was pretty important
160:40 Um, he also found that the voltage curve and fast charging graphs looked very close to a lithium ion cell
160:48 Um, also found that while the energy density actually seemed like good
160:53 It wasn't what donut initially claimed And then there was something that he brought up that i'm not actually sure if is an actual issue
161:01 But that is that uh, they reached uh during their testing they reached a 90 degree Celsius
161:07 safety limit And they had to apply another heat sink in order to do the charge test again
161:12 And I think it was like 11c charging rate But from my understanding that might be a ZTT
161:17 Safety protocol based on other battery chemistry
161:20 So that might not actually mean that they were sure that this thing was going to combust sure
161:25 But if xeroth is right that this thing seems to just actually be like
161:30 Maybe a good one, but just a lithium cell of some sort
161:34 Then VTT was very smart to have their safety testing protocol because theoretically
161:40 Donut Labs claimed that with their solid state battery, and I'm using quotes here
161:45 Had an operating temperature that was safe of up to 100 degrees Celsius. So
161:51 Or something like or maybe more I can't remember but more than 90 was what they claimed
161:56 Uh, no not zip-tie tuning different thing different thing. Oh, sorry. Did I say ZTT VTT VTT technical research center of finland?
162:05 Yeah, not zip-tie tuning. Yeah, I mean they're they're cool, but yeah, um unrelated to this. I um, what would be super based?
162:13 Uh, yes, they should just bring xeroth out
162:18 I Think they would I think they would rather
162:24 Continue to trickle out information so they get to enjoy because I wouldn't have talked about them if it wasn't for their
162:31 Back and forth with the community about the veracity of their claims
162:34 They first showed up on my radar when they were making fantastical claims about this cell at cds
162:40 Yeah, they're clearly Riding this but and I'm and I'm taking the bait luke
162:46 I'm taking the bait because it is more important to me
162:50 to Say hey this thing that everyone's talking about
162:55 Hold on a second. There are people who are talking about how maybe we shouldn't be talking about it
162:59 Then it is to not talk about it. I will la la la la until people like xeroth who are
163:05 Genuinely third party and have nothing to do with that company or not compensate about that company in any way
163:10 And we're able to freely get it on their own are able to check it out
163:14 Because what's the first I'll be interested or not. What's the first product that it's supposed to go in?
163:18 It's like a motorcycle or something, right? No, sure. Um
163:23 Donut Labs
163:28 Donut lab motors batteries
163:38 Okay, well I
163:43 Can't find what it's supposed to what it's supposed to go in if it is real that's fantastic
163:48 And if it's not that's not surprising and uh, we'll see how it goes
163:53 Oh, okay, apparently I am apparently I'm correct. Wiley giraffe says yes
163:57 It's supposed to go in a motorcycle within a couple of months. That's their claim
164:01 Cool. It's apparently called the verge motorcycle
164:07 Here it is. Oh my god, just no that like oh
164:13 For crying out loud, uh, sure 600 kilometer range in a in an electric motorcycle would be wild
164:24 Yeah All of this would be wild if this could ever actually happen like what if I try to book a test drive?
164:32 Uh, whatever you're not even I'm over it. Yeah
164:36 I just don't think I I don't think I'm ever gonna do uh
164:40 I don't think I'm ever gonna do a An electric motorcycle. I mean ever is a big word, but I just
164:45 Yeah, I don't I don't think I'm ever gonna do it
164:49 Um
164:57 Hey, what do you want to talk about next? Uh, do what's in the dock?
165:05 ShortCircuit sure fine
165:09 I didn't get to see the video. I don't even know what happened. I never saw the video
165:14 Which is part of the problem. Yeah earlier this week one of our channels ShortCircuit published a video on a water bottle
165:21 That made some let's call them bold health claims. Yeah
165:26 A type of product we'd talk about on
165:30 We'd like to first and foremost we'd like to first and foremost
165:35 Thank our community for flagging this and holding us accountable for the
165:41 um Bold claims. I'm gonna call them that this bottle was making to their target market
165:48 Um, the first time I heard about this was when our former community manager now
165:53 He has a different role, but he still talks to the community
165:57 Um messaged me when I was on a ski slope on a class trip
166:02 Going hey Did you know about this video and I said
166:07 Excuse me. What the fuck no Um
166:13 From what I'm told in our notes here
166:17 The intention of the video was meant to be a they claim piece
166:22 Not agreeing or disagreeing with the product, but rather
166:25 showing it, um
166:28 And that clearly didn't come across
166:32 and Me coming into this after the fact
166:36 I am extremely frustrated at the various breakdowns that seem like they may have occurred
166:45 Uh, we are in the process of an investigation. So you won't hear me saying exactly what happened because at this time
166:52 I have not gotten a full post mortem. I'm not fully confirmed report
166:56 What I do know is that um
167:00 This outcome is not okay because it made
167:05 From my understanding extremely silly claims
167:10 um Like health related claims about
167:15 performing hydrolysis on water in your water bottle and whatnot
167:21 um So in response to this, uh, you know
167:27 Appropriate flagging of this video from our community
167:30 We posted the following statement on both reddit and on the ShortCircuit youtube channel. Hey everyone
167:35 We've removed this short. We agree that the product wasn't framed with the level of skepticism
167:40 It warranted and it was published without going through our normal technical review and leadership approval process
167:47 We do not support or endorse unsubstantiated claims made by this manufacturer
167:50 And we're taking steps internally to ensure our review process is consistently followed moving forward. Thanks for holding us
167:57 Accountable one of the first responses I saw to this on reddit was
168:01 What does that even mean it wasn't published without going through the normal technical review and leadership approval process?
168:06 What do you think that means? That's Wait, really? Was that actually I think it's I think it's pretty obvious
168:12 what that means It means this is real bad and I found out about it
168:20 Long after the damage was done. Unfortunately, which is you know
168:24 It's something that um, it's a fact of larger companies. I'm just not willing to take the fall for anymore
168:31 Okay, there was a time not that long ago. Did anyone ask you to
168:35 Oh, I mean on this Internally, of course not
168:39 But there was a time not that long ago that the assumption is just that
168:45 When something goes wrong, you know
168:49 Linus is accountable Um, you know like even like you want to go way back to the statement that was made that triggered the whole 2023 drama
168:59 That I didn't make But the expectation was I apologize for it. What's the what? Oh, yeah
169:07 Uh, like on the tour. Yeah, okay. Yeah, and so, you know, that's something that I flatly reject at this point
169:15 I'm sorry. I'm not gonna be uh As as as a spokesperson for the company I can speak on behalf of the company
169:22 Yeah, that's what I was gonna say. I would still expect that but I'm not gonna fall on but I'm not gonna fall on the sword
169:26 And I'm not gonna take I'm not gonna take accountability for stuff. I didn't do
169:32 Anymore. Yeah I don't know if that's what people wanted
169:37 I mean, it's a uh
169:41 Yeah, stay the path. So this is what I'm talking about stay the path says sorry, dude
169:44 This company has your name on it. You own the company everything under LTT is under you
169:47 This is a company you own. This is all you and that's nice and that's your opinion, but I'm not willing to do that anymore
169:53 I'm sorry. It's just not gonna happen Um, it's not it's not compatible with me continuing to do this. Let me put it that way
170:00 I feel like I think there's a there's a gap happening right now where like
170:04 I I think stay the paths comment is that like you have to
170:09 Address it and you literally just did address it. You said there was a mistake. You said we're
170:15 Addressing it. You you thanked the community for pointing it out those things happen
170:19 I don't think that they're asking for you To do I don't have you seen this video of the like volleyball player the japanese volleyball player
170:27 That like spiked a ball and it hit this I did see that and he does the dive
170:32 Yeah, I don't think they're asking for you to dive under the net and do the apology bow
170:37 I think you should keep reading chat. Okay before you keep talking
170:40 I I think it's an understanding gap on both sides, but I will keep reading chat
170:45 I'm also looking through I I realized that searching Linus on the Linus tech tips subreddit is a little tough, but if you do
170:52 Yeah, space Linus space. It does a little bit better. I got that trick from chat last week
170:58 That's a good trick I got that trick from chat last week is pretty good the the comments talking about you individually don't seem to be asking for that
171:05 um Again, you have to
171:09 You have to oh, okay. I'll keep looking at the chat
171:12 um But yeah, just the the the the truth of the matter and this is just this is just one of those things where you don't have to
171:19 Like it, but it's just going to be how it is. I think there's I think there's different levels of apology
171:24 I think there's ownership of like hey, this is my company and my company made a mistake
171:29 And there's here's the action the company is taking. Yeah, sure. Yeah, and and that's one thing
171:35 That's no issue. I think that's I would like to think I'm still watching chat that that is what most people are asking for
171:41 And I think what you're talking about is I personally and personally individually. I did this. I made this mistake
171:47 I'm taking ownership for this problem. I don't think people are generally asking for that. Yeah, you should reach out more carefully
171:53 I'm looking for sure um And and it's one of those things where like I said the the bottom line is I'm not going
172:02 To do it anymore. I I I'm just you know, because there are cases where
172:08 It really was, you know a problem that existed, you know in our in our in our in our process, right?
172:15 And there are cases where over the years and it's happened many many times
172:20 I have explicitly laid out how we need to do it
172:25 And it hasn't been followed and we made catastrophic errors because of that and I've fallen on the sword
172:31 And I'm not going to do it anymore. Yeah, but okay. My point is that I think some and I've talked to you about this before
172:36 My point is that sometimes I think you just do that
172:39 But like no one was looking for that or expecting that Like there will be a someone will point out something on reddit that is like a particular department. It's happened with me
172:47 There's been something with like laps, which is now my thing and you've jumped on the thread
172:52 And brought a lot of attention to you in association to the problem when you had nothing to do with it
172:57 And I've been like bruh like let me respond. These are these are these are my people. These are my things
173:04 Yeah So I don't know they might have shut up because I said stuff, but I'm not
173:11 I'm I'm also I read kind of slow, so I'm trying to keep up with the chat, but it's moving kind of fast
173:15 Um, but I haven't really seen A lot of it. Yeah, I can find some stuff if you need sure. I yeah, it's
173:23 and whatever I'm not doing it. Sure. Yep
173:29 It's just it's not it's not like I said, it's not compatible with me continuing to do this
173:36 Um, and so, you know, if that means You know making changes here, then we're going to make those changes because it's not
173:44 Compatible with me continuing to do this in this form
173:48 Um, all right Giving every kid access to tech in the classroom
173:56 Turns out that might have been a mistake
173:59 This is rough dude Gen z is the first generation in history in in in recorded history
174:08 to score worse on standardized testing than the earlier generation
174:14 One leading factor and I have a lot of thoughts on this, but I'm reading the notes for now
174:18 One leading factor, as pointed out by neuroscientist Jared Cooney Horvath via
174:24 TechSpot, seems to be the negative correlation that exists between the
174:29 time students spend on digital devices in school and their academic performance,
174:32 the more screen exposure, the poorer the results. For the last two decades, U.S.
174:39 schools have spent a total of more than 30 billion with a B dollars on laptops
174:44 and tablets for students. And here's a chart showing how higher in-class
174:48 computer use is correlated with significantly lower math and science
174:53 performance across both high income and middle income countries. This is mind
175:03 blowing. These are pretty big jumps. Now, it is very important to note, and this is
175:07 one of the reasons that I am so opposed, and this comes up a lot between me and
175:13 the Labs team, for instance, that I'm so opposed to non-zero y-axis. And I get it.
175:22 The argument is always, hey, I'm trying to accentuate the difference to make the
175:27 graph more readable. And my response is always, if you have to do that to
175:32 accentuate the difference, then I guess the difference wasn't so big. I see both sides.
175:41 We want to clearly indicate which one is the winner, right? Yeah. And in this case,
175:49 a difference in a total score of 550 and 500 is hugely problematic. It's also
175:58 weird because the top two, the bottom line is actually 480, and the bottom two,
176:03 the bottom line is 470. It's off by 10. And it's also like, what do these represent?
176:10 I don't know. Is this American school system or something? What is a 490? Is a 490 a C?
176:15 Okay. That's a completely separate issue. But basically, that's a valid issue.
176:22 I mean, it's effectively the same issue, because we're talking about what is the severity of the difference between the things. Sure. Yeah. I hate it when we mess with a y-axis,
176:33 and so I will often get into it with Labs, especially around things like FPS graphs,
176:40 where they're like, no, I really want to do this. And one of the most famous ones was
176:46 me and Lucas around efficiency plotting. Oh, really? Because he rightly,
176:56 like he kind of malicious compliance showed me what it would look like at zero, where the
177:04 efficiency of basically every power supply is pretty much the same. And I was like, okay,
177:13 well, how about this compromise? We show that they're all basically the same,
177:18 and then we show a zoom in. Because to me, that context of, hey, they're all basically
177:25 the same is actually really, really important when you're understanding that
177:30 when we're looking at the difference between 80 plus silver and 80 plus gold,
177:34 we really are just kind of splitting hairs here. It's not that big of a deal. But in the context
177:41 of engineering a power supply, achieving that extra percent or two percent of efficiency
177:47 can be a Herculean effort and cost a lot of money in the materials. And so I totally understand
177:53 why you want to show, hey, they achieved something here. And you want to make your visuals readable.
178:00 Anyway, I don't want to go on this side topic for too long, but the point is just that
178:04 this is wild. I'm not going to say causation, but there is a pretty clear correlation that
178:13 tracks consistent as well. Yeah, across fourth grade math, fourth grade science,
178:18 eighth grade math, and eighth grade science. I don't know where they're finding these kids who
178:24 almost never use a screen, but good on the parents. Is there schools that just have not
178:30 adopted? I'm assuming. Oh, this must be in school use. That makes way more sense. Yeah,
178:34 yeah, this is in school use. It says right on it. It sure does.
178:42 Where's the source for this? People are asking for the source here. I think it's from TechSpot.
178:46 Here you go. So TechSpot interviewed the dude, and here's the, yeah, here you go.
178:56 The Trends in International Mathematics and Science Study, or TIMS.
179:02 Freakin' wild. However, lots and lots and lots of other factors.
179:11 Oh yeah, absolutely. At play here. I suspect, honestly, a bigger impact would be electronics
179:17 use outside of the classroom. Yeah, I don't know how you'd control for that. You can't,
179:22 like at all. Parents would not self-report correctly, and this dude, this one blew me away.
179:28 I was helping out with a class field trip the other day. They did a ski field trip.
179:34 Okay, I was going to say, was this the mountain? Yeah, and I like to be involved while I still
179:39 get a chance. My kids are not going to want me as a parent chaperone forever.
179:45 It comes back around, I think. Yeah, well, that's what I hope, right?
179:49 But there will be a gap in there. But basically, I was chaperoning this thing,
180:00 and one of the kind of side eyes and undertone conversations that I had with one of the teachers
180:06 was how impossible it is to get just like accurate height and weight of the kids on the
180:14 intake form for the ski trip, which is really important because when they're adjusting the
180:18 bindings in the tech shop for your ski rentals, they need to know how strong of a skier you are,
180:25 how old you are, and how much you weigh so that they can make sure that they will detach
180:29 correctly in the event of a crash. And I overheard, or what was part of, I wasn't eavesdropping,
180:37 but I was part of a conversation where one of the other parents speculated that the reason
180:44 that the teacher got like three different clearly incorrect responses for one kid
180:52 was that it's actually the kid doing all correspondence with the school because the
180:57 parents are just like not involved and didn't know how to like measure themself.
181:03 And I was like, oh my god, basically. But it pretty much, it highlighted why you could never
181:15 count on getting any kind of accurate, meaningful data about out of school use.
181:20 Oh, you could never do it. I just suspect that's a very significant impact.
181:25 Because of tangential things, right? If they're spending all their time
181:31 doom-scrolling because their parents don't care anyways, is their attention span
181:34 so wrecked when they're in class that whether they have a screen in front of them or not,
181:38 they're just not going to absorb anything? That type of stuff I think is relatively important.
181:43 Daniel Chin says, this isn't even a Y-axis issue. There's not enough description about the study
181:47 methodology and without actual controls. There's a monopoly of confounders.
181:51 But we're not talking about that. We're talking about Y-axis issues with the presentation of
181:57 anything. And yeah, that's why I have carefully avoided saying that it is like a causation.
182:05 I've said correlation. All we've seen is that Jared Cooney Horvath says that there seems to be
182:14 a negative correlation. That's what we've said. And I pointed out that the way that these are laid
182:22 out makes it look like a bigger difference than it is. That's how we got into the conversation about
182:29 the importance of drawing attention to, at the very least, if you are not using a zeroed axis.
182:38 That's all. It's okay. It's also clearly a multi-faceted problem and is not just down to using
182:53 computers in the classroom because we had computers in the classroom and we had the
182:57 computer lab as well. We used computers all the time when we were in school.
183:00 You had computers in the classroom that wasn't the computer lab?
183:04 Yeah. When I was in elementary school, we had often one computer in the classroom.
183:10 If you finished your work early, you could play Oregon Trail sometimes if your teacher was a bro.
183:14 Sure. Not at your desk though, but sure. I don't think I had many of those examples,
183:21 but maybe it was a thing. I didn't know that was a thing at some schools.
183:25 And that was before even teachers had a computer at their desk. Yeah. Sometimes there would just be a little work station in the computer.
183:32 In the corner. Or if you had a student that had a learning disability or something,
183:38 then you'd often have a little computer for them to use.
183:44 Reddit has been fined by the UK for not verifying ages of users. The 14.5 million pound fine,
183:53 I love that money in UK is in weight units, was issued after the UK Information Commissioner's
184:00 office. It makes it sound so big. Yeah, it does. It's like, you know those giant checks? It's like, here's a million pound check. Oh, gosh!
184:11 Here's a 14 million pound fine. Put it down on something solid because...
184:17 Oh my God, I broke my hand. My hand actually got atomized from that.
184:22 All right. So the ICO alleged that Reddit's failure to check ages resulted in their illegal
184:27 handling of children's personal information and the potential exposure of children to
184:31 inappropriate and harmful content. The ICO finding came before Reddit's July 2025 rollout
184:38 of an age verification system in the UK. But the ICO says they still have concerns,
184:42 noting that Reddit relies on users self-declaring their ages when opening an account.
184:47 This seems to ignore Reddit's use of persona to further verify ages of users seeking to access
184:53 restricted content. In the statement provided to Ars Technica,
184:57 Reddit said that the ICO's insistence that we collect more private information on every UK
185:02 user is counterintuitive and at odds with our strong belief in our users' online privacy and
185:07 safety. We intend to appeal the ICO's decision. All right. So there was another part of Reddit's
185:15 response that is not in my notes here that I thought was pretty hilarious. Let's see if I can
185:21 find it. No, it might have been in a different article. That's important. I know here it is.
185:28 We don't require you to give us your real name. We don't track your precise location. You can even
185:32 browse anonymously. You can share as much or as little about yourself as you want when using Reddit.
185:37 Love that. Because they're basically saying, hey, we don't require anybody to tell us everything
185:41 about themselves and every, you know, am I the a**hole, you know, experience they've ever had
185:47 how old they almost certainly are and all of this stuff. You know, they could share that with us
185:54 if they want to, but we don't require any of it. So I mean, oh man, this is, this is a can of worms,
186:00 hey? Because on the one hand, this drive from governments and plural, like around the world
186:12 for these platforms to collect and verify more and more and more information seems crazy
186:19 at a time when they're already collecting too much. And if anything, we should be going the other way.
186:26 Like, are we, is it time to root for Reddit? But on the other hand, Reddit's only, the only
186:34 reason Reddit's mad is because the government wants them to collect this data a different way
186:40 that will give them some kind of responsibility for their stewardship of it.
186:45 I think where I've come to on this topic, because we've been talking about this for a while, is I
186:49 do really like the idea of kind of pushing, of pushing the kids to use less electronics and
186:58 get off social media and stuff like that, because it is, it is highly malicious mind control.
187:04 But collecting data in order to do so not only will not work, it's also just a massive trove of
187:18 valuable information that will be broken into. So just stop collecting it. The kids will get
187:23 around it. The kids have always gotten around it. The kids will always get around it. It's,
187:27 you're not actually going to stop people who are really trying to. So at that point,
187:33 like, I think the most at risk kids are going to be kids that would really try to get around it.
187:38 So you're not actually saving the most at risk kids anyways, and you're just making this like
187:42 massive amount of data that they will get. Like, let's be realistic about it.
187:50 You're just putting it out there for, for, for bad actors to just grab. So like,
187:53 it's, you're doing a horrible job of just putting data out there that will be stolen,
188:01 that you really shouldn't have stolen, and of kids information, which like, come on,
188:06 and you're doing it in a way that is not really even going to be effective anyways.
188:11 I would love to see some stuff to try to dissuade
188:16 everyone of every age from overusing like social media and doom scrolling apps and stuff like
188:21 that, especially kids who are more susceptible, but let's be real, so are adults. Yeah, this,
188:27 this whole idea that because you're an adult, you're like magically grown up.
188:32 Yeah, I know that doesn't, that doesn't happen. It just doesn't fly.
188:35 Like, let's, I don't know if this is a topic in the doc, but I mean,
188:39 YouTube pushed out, and I appreciate that they did a like time management thing specifically
188:45 for shorts within YouTube, so that you can block how much you use. The thing that I don't
188:50 like is there isn't a zero. They go down to 15. I appreciate that they have a limit that is not
188:56 super long, but 15 is still not that short. They're shorts. Five minutes would be fine.
189:04 Zero would be the best. If you could granularly control it all the way up to zero,
189:08 that would be the best. I would appreciate that. You know what? I'll be honest with you. I don't think, and I agree that it should be an option,
189:17 but if I was configuring my kids account, I probably wouldn't set it to zero.
189:21 Sure, that's fine. Because the goal of the limit would be to learn moderation.
189:26 Yeah, totally. Not to go cold turkey. I had a member of my family that developed a very unhealthy relationship with
189:36 video media consumption because it was so restricted in our household, and that was just
189:41 their personality type. I personally feel like if they had not been cut off from it as often
189:53 they were, and it had not been made such a exciting thing, such a huge dopamine hit when
190:02 they were able to get access to it, maybe some of that possibly could have been at least dulled.
190:09 Maybe they might have learned to manage that compulsion, maybe.
190:15 No, I still don't remember the name of it, but I have a browser add-on. I guess it's on my
190:19 Windows install, so I'll have to figure this out on Linux, but I mean it's a browser,
190:24 so I just need to go find the add-on again. But I have a browser add-on that blocks YouTube
190:28 shorts, solid. And for me, yeah, I just want it blocked, but your scenario completely makes
190:35 sense. The options would be great, and I'm not going to project onto you what option you should
190:40 select, but I would love the option for zero. But I will say, having complained all of that bit,
190:48 I really appreciate that they made this feature. I don't think that they had to.
190:52 They had just an individual limiter for YouTube. I appreciate that they made one separate for
190:57 shorts. They are different things. I understand they're in the same app. They are different
191:01 things, and I appreciate that they did that. YouTube does a lot of things pretty wrong.
191:08 They do some things very wrong. They do a lot of things kind of right.
191:16 This is in the a little wrong, but mostly right category, I think. I appreciate that it exists,
191:21 and I don't think there was going to be some law that was going to make them do this,
191:25 so I appreciate that it exists. Yeah. I would never describe myself as a fan, but I respect a lot of what YouTube does, and I
191:41 have said before, and will continue to say, I believe that YouTube is alongside Wikipedia,
191:48 the library of Alexandria, one of the most important things the human race has ever built.
191:57 Yeah. I was going to say, I respect your stance, and I'm not going to call myself a fan. I love
192:02 YouTube. I think it is fascinating that they haven't been so much worse than they are,
192:08 and you know what? I'm very quick to point out things that they screw up. I think the whole
192:13 member spam thing, which we'll talk about shortly, was a mistake. I think not having zero on the
192:19 shorts thing sucks. Removing the dislike button was just so dumb, and I would really like for it
192:24 to come back, but at the end of the day, YouTube is amazing. What a platform. The fact that they
192:32 haven't just gone full nuclear terrible is kind of fascinating.
192:38 Please keep it up. It's legitimately close.
192:41 It's really important to please keep it up. And it's been sketchy lately, but I believe in you.
192:48 If there's any major concerns, I'm going to have some FaceTime with execs soon.
192:54 Topic, type, and kind of the funnel, the shorts. I think there is a problem right now with YouTube,
193:01 where YouTube was about people, and it was organic, and it was the place you could go to
193:06 learn basically everything, and it felt like an app made by, yeah, you could just find everything.
193:16 And right now, it feels like it's getting too hype focused.
193:21 There isn't really the consistency. I give them that feedback basically every time I talk to them, but I'll try again.
193:26 It's more extreme than ever, I think, and I think you're seeing it in this flow that we've talked
193:31 about a bunch of times where channel performance is much more individual video based, and you have
193:38 huge swings in viewership between videos. I have found more than ever that I'm losing creators.
193:45 I think the subscribe button should mean more. Okay.
193:49 I think that's one of the things that should happen, because like,
193:52 a lot of people talk about search. The search is, oh man.
193:57 Mind-blowingly bad. It's mind-blowingly bad, but at the same time, again, to give them credit, holy crap,
194:01 is that a lot of stuff to search through. But it does seem pretty rough.
194:06 Honestly, I don't think this is a hot take. Search for Google in general has been kind of in the pits.
194:13 Search and drive is terrible. Search and Gmail is terrible.
194:17 Like, all this stuff has been pretty rough. And this is someone who just said, I love YouTube, and I still love YouTube.
194:23 I'm just being honest about some of the negatives.
194:27 I think there is a lot of soulless, negative, genuine brain rot content,
194:35 stuff that does not enrich your life in any way, that is being forced to the front of YouTube
194:40 and shoved in front of your face. And I think that will decrease people's appreciation
194:46 and usage of YouTube long-term. I think it is a short-term strategy to combat things like TikTok,
194:52 and I think it will rot their overall market dominance in the long-term.
194:56 I think they need to understand and appreciate what they are, which is the video platform of the internet.
195:02 They stopped publishing user numbers because they basically just said, we have everyone.
195:08 Know that, understand that, own that, and have a higher level that you hold yourself to
195:13 compared to other platforms. And I don't mean that you have to start banning this type of content.
195:17 It's never going to happen. It's a bad form of moderation for YouTube.
195:21 You're still going to have Flat Earth and No Land and Conspiracy videos on YouTube.
195:24 But part of YouTube has been that, that has been there the whole time.
195:27 And that's okay. But remember that you can float wholesome content.
195:34 You can push wholesome content. You can push out these smaller creators more.
195:38 And I understand that you are, again, I do love YouTube.
195:42 But what I'm experiencing right now is that I'll see a video with, oh my God.
195:46 Yeah, this, I mean, I'll see a video with 19 million views,
195:50 which is the first thing that showed up when I, when I opened YouTube. Can I go to YouTube?
195:54 Yeah. But this might actually be a really cool video or a meme.
195:58 I'm not, yeah. Smash the rock. Yeah. Oh no, no, no. Okay, he's getting his stuff.
196:02 That might actually just be a really cool video. My point was more Mr. Beast type stuff.
196:07 But I might get a video with, perfect. I might get a video with millions of views
196:11 right next to a video with seven views.
196:15 Maybe somewhere in the middle a little bit. Right. Um, this is everything I'm seeing is these like huge dramatic, um,
196:26 I'm not necessarily into it, but I will say that's pretty quintessentially YouTube.
196:31 Yep. Um, but it's just, yeah, I don't know.
196:35 Bring, bring back the, the middle content. Um, bring back the wholesome stuff.
196:40 Bring back the stuff that someone's going to look back at their usage of YouTube positively.
196:46 Um, I, I think I really appreciate that they're adding these limiters,
196:50 the, these, the abilities to set your own limiters to things like shorts.
196:54 I remember back in the day when no one would have wanted that for YouTube.
196:58 Because YouTube is a space where you went to go learn things, uh, grow experience,
197:03 you know, see behind walls, all that kind of stuff. Um, and it's, it's going down the extreme brain rot funnel now.
197:11 Uh, where people are going to look back to their, their childhood of using YouTube
197:15 and only think of things that were just a waste of time for them.
197:18 And I think that's not necessary. And I think you can do that while keeping all of these different types of content on the platform,
197:24 but just not hyper pushing, um, these like objectively kind of things that aren't great for your brain.
197:34 Okay. Rant over. That's really good. Mind paradox made a really good point.
197:38 Hmm. Scientifically speaking, the earth is flat.
197:43 75% of the earth is water. 95% plus of that water is not carbonated.
197:49 Therefore, if we were to round, the earth is, is flat.
197:53 That isn't even the direction I thought they're going in. That's fantastic. In a sense, uh, that's pretty good.
198:01 Oh, acting like we didn't have things like Smosh and other linear brain rot.
198:06 No, I didn't. I didn't act like that at all. I've said that's been on the platform the entire time.
198:10 That is literally not what I said in the slightest. What I did say was how they promote different things,
198:16 and I don't expect them to not promote that. I'm just hoping that they try to really balance things out
198:22 and promote wholesome things as well. Like our, our brain rot was, was pretty bad.
198:26 Dude, we had some heavy brain rot. We had lots of it.
198:30 Oh my God, shoes.
198:34 Like, was it, was it in the show? Like this, this was massive.
198:37 Oh yeah. Oh no, I always hated that to be honest.
198:43 I never liked that. I was very confused why people were into that.
198:49 I, I, yeah, I was, yeah, whatever.
198:53 Um, again, I'm not expecting it to not happen.
198:56 I'm expecting it to be a little bit more measured, and I, I feel like, and it's a fit, it's such a fine line.
199:02 This is one of the reasons why I'm very happy to openly say that I love YouTube because my God is at a difficult line,
199:07 and they have straddled it so well for so long. I feel like we're just, we're just slipping a little too far one way,
199:14 and I'm just asking them to just try to bring it back a little bit. I don't want to swing too far this way.
199:19 We talked about that whole pendulum thing earlier in the show,
199:22 just because it's swaying a little bit this way. I don't want to bring it all the way back.
199:25 I just want it to try to be in the middle. I expect it to be full entertainment mode sometimes,
199:30 or you watch that slop and it's okay. It's fine. There's a place for that.
199:34 I just want the other stuff to also be brought up.
199:38 That's it.
199:43 I'm just trying to find another horribly stupid video from back then,
199:49 but I don't think I'm going to be able to, I don't think I'm going to be able to find it.
199:52 Do you want to pick another topic? Sure. Spyonsores.
199:58 Oh, but yeah, I suppose I could, I suppose I could do that.
200:04 I can do a topic while you get reset, if you want to look for something? I'm going to try and find a really stupid video.
200:11 Yeah, okay. Here we go. Here we go. Here's some of our old-school brain rot.
200:18 Hold on. I'm getting an ad. Thanks, YouTube. No, boy.
200:24 Anthropic and the DoD, there's OpenAI and the DoW.
200:29 There's a lot of stuff happening in the AI right now.
200:34 Oh my goodness. I would have never remembered this.
200:40 This made me think of power thirst.
200:43 Power thirst.
200:47 Wow. Anyway.
200:51 Sometimes you want just like dumb, silly, fun things. It's okay. I'm not saying to never do it.
200:56 Saying there's a balance. That's all.
200:59 All right. Should we talk about Burger King? Yeah, we should do that.
201:03 Burger King is vying for the throne of politeness. Thanks to AI.
201:06 What a title. Burger King is entering the AI chatbot race with Patty.
201:11 Okay. Unironically, pretty funny. The name?
201:14 Yeah. It's a good name. The OpenAI-powered Burger King assistant who will live in the headsets of employees
201:23 with the purpose of assisting with meal preparation,
201:26 notifying management of issues such as a downed point of sale or low stock,
201:33 as well as evaluating employee interactions with customers for friendliness
201:38 by tracking the use of phrases such as welcome to Burger King.
201:42 Please. And thank you. See, I don't think it's in the mic.
201:47 What says it's in the mic? Well, it would have to be. If it's listening to what you're saying as in the employee.
201:52 Oh, I thought, okay. I thought you meant like it would like override sometimes just start talking.
201:57 Okay. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. It's definitely listening. Yeah. So I thought this was peak dystopian.
202:07 I just think they were already doing it. That's why I didn't react too much. You think they were already doing this?
202:12 I thought they were already tracking phrases and stuff. Is that a thing?
202:15 I thought they were because everything that goes through the mic is technically going through a computer system like McDonald's has like server racks.
202:21 Are you sure? No, it's not.
202:24 No, I'm not sure to be clear. Okay. I just thought that. Cause I was not aware of this at all, but basically like this pretty much as far as
202:37 I can tell is like a turbocharged version of the coffee shop AI thing that I did be
202:43 showing Wanshore. Was I just talking to one of the writers about that? I can't remember, but it had like boxes around people and like said how many drinks that they
202:52 had made in the last hour and like tracked how long customers had been sitting at
202:56 particular tables. These are the types of things that I thought kind of already existed.
202:59 But this, putting it right in the headset.
203:03 So all of a sudden you could get like a counseling notice for forgetting to say please to a customer
203:09 10 times in one day or like whatever threshold they set.
203:13 Like this is, this is the step.
203:16 This is it. This is the step before complete human replacement.
203:23 Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah, for sure.
203:26 And I feel like I was talking to Yvonne about this because this is going to be, this is going
203:33 to be one of those times when I feel like people are some, there's going to be a group
203:37 of people that are not going to like what I say as, as an employer who at this time in
203:45 companies wholly owned and operated by himself has somewhere in the neighborhood of around
203:51 150 plus people. Because usually when we give the employee account, we're just talking like Linus Media
203:57 Group and like closely affiliated companies, but you know, you start to bake in things like
204:01 the Smashchamps badminton club. Like they've got a lot of part-timers. It's, it's retail, right?
204:05 Like it's a bit of a different situation.
204:11 We've had major issues sometimes with people who in many cases, like we don't always get
204:19 pay scales perfect, but with people who in many cases are very competitively compensated for
204:26 what they're doing, doing things on the clock that I think it would be hard to argue are not
204:39 unacceptable. So for instance, you know, are not acceptable.
204:43 Hiding in a bathroom and having a nap when you are on shift.
204:48 Really? Yeah. So, so there's a, there's a certain corner of the internet for whom wage theft exists,
204:56 but time theft does not.
205:01 Trying to have a balanced take here. I say they both exist.
205:07 Sure. And to some people that will be, that will be very controversial to them.
205:13 I say, hey, you run a business.
205:18 See how well that works for you. All right. Cool. Good chat.
205:21 Output. All right. So with that in mind,
205:28 basically how my conversation with Yvonne went was there's, there's a huge problem
205:36 because you have, and I think it's really important to point this out, a minority of employees
205:44 who behave in such a way that supervision is necessary.
205:54 You have, I hope, a minority of employers who behave in such an overbearing manner
206:03 that we have exceeded supervision and we have made it to monitoring.
206:07 There are many such cases, however, where there's like, maybe there's one bad apple,
206:11 maybe one person fell asleep in one bathroom. Well, that's not what I'm talking about.
206:15 Sure. But there tends to be some really oddly expensive to the point where you're never
206:23 going to pay it back off and overbearing reactions.
206:29 That's kind of where I'm going with this.
206:33 So you exceed supervision, which in my mind should largely be traditionally human
206:40 supervision, right? So you exceed supervision, you make it into monitoring.
206:44 You make it into, yeah, I think monitoring.
206:50 Let's just pop it, yeah.
206:53 And I think, I think part of our problem right now is that we're in a death spiral
207:00 because the more of this monitoring level of supervision, the more you make your way into
207:07 complete breach of autonomy and privacy at any given moment.
207:14 The more disenfranchised you might have a worker become and the bottom line is, as a business,
207:21 you're never going to be happy about giving money to someone who's not getting work done.
207:25 And if they're not getting work done because of how hyper disenfranchised they are,
207:30 that's not going to change. You're not going to want to pay them to do work they're not doing.
207:35 And then you're going to try to monitor them more. They become more disenfranchised.
207:39 They want to do less work. And I feel like while in any individual workplace, you can break the cycle collectively.
207:47 As like, as a people. As a society. Yeah.
207:50 I feel like we're circling the drain here.
207:54 And I think, I mean, wages are not keeping up.
207:58 It's hard to be motivated at work when you make work long hours, make little money, whatever that.
208:06 Lawsworth says, I think the word you're looking for is micromanagement.
208:10 But I'm not because there's a big difference between micromanagement, which might be necessary
208:17 in some cases, or that person should just be let go.
208:22 But sometimes that's not what you want to do. Sometimes you'd rather kind of go, okay, no, like we really need to carefully set expectations here,
208:29 you know, whatever it is, right? But that's really different from, I have a camera trained on you at all times,
208:36 that has an AI monitoring it, that is compiling data and stats, that I can go back retroactively
208:43 and dig through anytime you were ever on shift in any little thing you ever did.
208:47 That's not micromanagement. That's like, that's spying, if that makes sense.
208:53 And to be clear, like we have cameras in our places of work, we're on camera right now,
208:57 and I'm not talking about that one, or this one, or this one.
209:01 Where is it? Whatever, it's in here. There's a security camera in here.
209:05 Thanks, Dan. Dan pointed out, I still can't see it.
209:09 Whatever, I assume Dan knows what's going on. Look at him, that's the face of a man.
209:13 It's over there, in the corner. Thanks, Dan, perfect.
209:17 And, oh man, see this is where the realities of running a business
209:23 kind of coincide or collide with some of my philosophical, I wish it was this way, beliefs.
209:31 Like at Smash Shams, for instance, the extensive security system that we have
209:37 has resulted in reduced shrink for our retail operation.
209:40 It has resulted in multiple cases where we have been able to bend members
209:47 who have stolen from our other members. Oh.
209:50 Oh yeah, I mean, dude, people are f***ed up, man.
209:53 It's like, we're trying to have a community here, we're trying to just like play sports together,
209:58 and you've got people that will be caught, caught in 4K, taking something that's not theirs,
210:04 and we have literally heard the, oh, I didn't know that belonged to them line.
210:09 I f***ing hate that line.
210:13 Did it belong to you? Did it belong to you?
210:18 Then why would you take it?
210:21 I hate that, I get, I get. Shriggered by that line, yeah, we've had rackets, shuttles.
210:28 Shuttles are becoming a big one because they've become so expensive, and even used like ratbag
210:38 shuttles are actually going for money, not much, it's like by the pound,
210:42 because people will use them for training, they'll use them for just like feet and drills and stuff,
210:46 and it used to be that those were considered like, oh, here you go, worthless.
210:52 Now they're like, worth money now because new shuttles have gotten so expensive,
210:57 and so because people like need to carry a tube around with them, and because all the tubes
211:01 kind of look the same, like with rackets, people have like in their bag, you'd have to be pretty
211:05 conspicuous to like open someone's bag and take a racket out, right?
211:09 But shuttles, they'll have them on the bench, you know?
211:12 And so we, yeah, we've had, we've had cases with rackets, we've had cases with phones.
211:17 Oh, right. A phone is so like personal.
211:21 Yeah, that one was really unfortunate because it was an acquaintance of an acquaintance,
211:25 it was, it was a known person, so that was a really unfortunate conversation to have to have.
211:32 Don't like that. You know, we've had, like we've had all kinds of things, we had an allegation from a neighbor
211:39 that a member performed a bio act in public near our facility.
211:47 Oh, yeah. And we had to, you know, we had to track that down.
211:51 That was wild. And so, and look, we've only been, we've only been-
211:54 That was like a GTA moment. Dude, we've been operating for a year, and already this is just,
212:00 this is just the stuff that's flowing off the top of my head, man, right?
212:04 And so I'm sitting here going like, yeah, on the one hand,
212:08 you know, yeah, we shouldn't like, we shouldn't like have cameras everywhere, man,
212:11 and like all the cameras, man. But on the other hand, I'm sitting here going, how on earth would we have resolved some of this
212:17 stuff if we didn't have a record that we could track back to?
212:20 I think it depends on the usage of it. Was the bio moment solo?
212:24 Yeah, it was a solo bio moment, for sure, for sure, bud.
212:30 Yeah, I think like, like, are you sitting there in an office upstairs with the like stock broker style monitors,
212:41 just staring at all your employees all day? If so, no, I'm not, no, no, no, no.
212:46 Oh, I was gonna say, you know I don't have that console. So if you're doing something like that, like that's clearly like, oh my God, go away.
212:52 If you're reviewing footage in case of incidents, that no longer really bothers me.
212:58 I think, I'm pretty sure in Canada, you can't record audio in a work, in like an office style
213:05 workplace. Oh, I don't know. I think that's a thing.
213:13 Yeah, we're trying to figure out, because I think we wanted the audio for the badminton
213:17 footage or something. Oh yeah, yeah, for like games.
213:22 Can we? And then there was like something, because it's a public venue and it's like a service that's
213:28 being offered and therefore talked about and there's like signs and stuff, then it like becomes
213:33 more fine. But if I remember correctly, regardless of the signs situation, if it's just like an office,
213:39 you just can't do it. Like it's a... I think it was more okay for the public.
213:43 It wasn't okay for the employees. Yeah. SF Wong, this is a good one, has a business.
213:49 What about using AI to monitor things like a manufacturing floor to do time studies and
213:53 improve inefficiencies rather than to judge people? So that's, oh my, what the?
213:58 Boy, are you ever... Boy, are you ever treading a fine line there.
214:02 That's not treading the fine line, they're just rolling back and forth across it.
214:07 No, I mean, the world's most ethical manufacturing foreman, sure, could be looking purely for
214:18 ways that they could improve their own performance by laying...
214:22 What I'm saying is not untrue by laying out the stations more efficiently or whatever,
214:30 but literally any human being in existence would also be looking at the other meatbags out there
214:37 and figuring out which ones of them are scrolling on their phone instead of
214:42 popping widgets together or whatever else it is they're supposed to be doing.
214:46 And it's very like inhuman to expect people to be 100% on task for four hours and then
214:51 30 minutes later, four more hours. It's like not really how humans work, but there's, yeah.
215:00 So things get a little bit weird because you give people too much data and then they're like,
215:03 wait, I don't like that. I paid for that minute. I need you working for that minute.
215:08 And again, it's just not really how people work, but then how do you find the acceptable
215:13 bar because you actually do need output from them or else your business closes.
215:17 So like it's, yeah.
215:22 That's where like ideally you find in my perfect happy fun time world,
215:26 ideally you find a measurable... Can I work there?
215:30 Ideally you find a measurable amount of output that you want from this person that is worth
215:35 the amount of money you're paying for them. And if they're hitting that output, it doesn't really matter too much on the other end,
215:40 but that's certain positions. It's really hard to measure relative.
215:45 Yeah, that too. But it can be like, okay, what if this isn't a widget maker, right?
215:51 Like what if this is something completely different? How do you, how do you measure the output of every single possible role at Linus Media Group,
215:58 for example? No. Like that's potentially impossible.
216:01 We have a really...
216:06 We have a weird business and we have a lot of people that wear a lot of funky hats,
216:09 not even normal hats. We have a lot of people that wear some really weird hats and potentially a lot of them at once.
216:15 So it's like, how do you measure the output of that person? Almost impossible.
216:18 Very difficult. So, yeah.
216:22 I mean, it's something that we often come up against as we're sort of figuring out
216:30 how you measure output, how you track that against costs, how you try to optimize.
216:42 You know, it's a good thing though.
216:45 I think it's one of the things that keeps the content always changing, keeps working here dynamic.
216:52 Like it's been interesting watching people comment recently that,
216:57 you know, the reason LTT is going downhill is because they've had a lot of turnover in
217:01 their on-screen personalities and I'm kind of sitting here going,
217:05 okay, A, all you have to do is go as far as social blade to find out that no,
217:09 in fact, viewership has not gone down since those events. In fact, it's a little bit up since then, which I'm not attributing to that either.
217:15 I'm just saying the causation relationship that you have conjured out of your brain hole
217:23 is not actually a thing that happened.
217:28 And one of the things that's cool about LMG is that as we have changes,
217:37 we just kind of adapt. We just, we make new styles of content.
217:42 We're always looking for what is exciting to whoever the team that's here is.
217:49 We're always changing. We've been around for 17 years, guys.
217:58 17 years. In that time, my interests, believe it or not, have changed.
218:07 Dramatically. A fair bit. Your interests have altered in the,
218:13 where do you up to? You got to be up to like 13?
218:16 15. That can't be right.
218:20 Pretty sure it is. From NCX days. 15. 13 would be since working for Linus Media Group.
218:26 And Linus Media Group hasn't existed for 13 years, not till the end of this year.
218:31 Okay. So then 14? Yeah. Okay. Yeah.
218:34 Oh no. Is LTT at 18 now?
218:42 I hope not. Oh man, I'm getting so old. 2020.
218:47 Wait, what?
218:50 Oh, got confused. Six years ago, the first LTT video was posted on Reddit.
218:58 So 2020 is the post date of this Reddit post, not the, okay, 17 years, November 2008.
219:04 So we'll be at 18 this year. Good lordy.
219:09 Anyway, so where I was going with this is that you're going to see the content
219:13 continue to change. And I think that's part of what has given us our staying power.
219:17 I'm actually really excited to see some of the stuff that,
219:20 David Pankratz made his solo on camera debut recently over on ShortCircuit,
219:24 checking out a Der Bauer branded like test bench.
219:29 Actually, one of our editors did a ShortCircuit recently that I thought was really good.
219:33 It didn't get a ton of views, but when I was, I don't always feel compelled to message the
219:41 production or crew or the host when I review one of our videos. But this was one that I reviewed
219:47 just because he was new. And I thought Peter just did like an outstanding job of this video.
219:58 The feedback on it is quite positive, but yeah, just needs a few more views, guys.
220:04 Go check it out. It's a really, really good video. And a fight deck is not something that we would
220:11 have had the internal interest to cover in the past, like super high level unboxing. I think you
220:18 might find Razor did one like a thousand years ago that we did an unboxing of. I remember that.
220:25 I think we still have those. Really? Yeah, but those would be like,
220:31 those would be like garbage by today's standards. Oh my God. Remember when our thumbnails looked
220:36 like that? Just text on the entire thing. Why was I feeling so aggressive that day? Who knows?
220:48 That's funny. Yeah, well, it was a different time. It was a different time.
220:53 Yeah, I think stuff like this and part of that I think is kind of the beauty of ShortCircuit is
221:00 you're going to have some weird stuff on there sometimes. And I think junk food swirl
221:07 might not get a bunch of clicks just because of what it is, but that doesn't necessarily mean the
221:11 video is bad. This is great. Tyler R says, I miss the old text thumbnails. I meticulously copied it.
221:23 Good for you. The WAN Show. Do you want a photoshop template? We post that.
221:27 I don't think anybody needs that. What they do need is to hear about Drop. No longer operating as
221:36 a standalone business by March 31st. Drop founded in 2012 as Mastrop is closing its standalone
221:45 e-commerce store at the end of next month as part of the Corsair integration following the 2023
221:52 acquisition. The last day to place orders is March 25th and Drop rewards will also expire that day,
221:58 so use them or lose them. Drop.com will become a landing page for brand collabs under the Corsair
222:05 umbrella. Community reaction is generally negative so far for the people who still manage to care,
222:15 which seems like not many. I saw some, I did actually read through some of this
222:19 and I saw a few people comment that the newsletter, which is apparently a big part of Drop's deal,
222:25 has just been kind of full of the same stuff over and over again lately. I think Drop in general
222:30 has kind of been like that. I remember back in the day I used to go to Mastrop when it was Mastrop,
222:35 like all the time. I was genuinely on there like a lot, but it was because they'd have a lot of
222:41 really weird stuff come through that was interesting. However, they used to be really into like knives.
222:49 Oh yeah. That makes sense. Like everyday carry. Yeah, they were huge in the everyday carry scene.
222:54 There were tons of other stuff and for a long time now it's been mechanical keyboards, headphones.
222:59 That's it. It's like, okay, after a while I have a keyboard I like. I have some headphones that I
223:06 like. There's no real reason for me to come back to the website if that's all they're ever really
223:10 doing now. But yeah, they used to get into some funky stuff and they were really around the original
223:18 idea of Mastrop, which was just like using collectivism to get cheaper prices on things.
223:24 And that was really neat. And then they stopped doing that, I guess. Corsair was a really weird
223:32 company to take public. Like this seems like it has not gone particularly well. Yeah.
223:40 The timing was a little rough, wasn't it? Didn't they go public over COVID?
223:43 Here, Max, I think so. Maybe their goal was just go public during COVID.
223:49 Well, it was at a high, right? Everyone was like hyper into gaming and streaming.
223:53 I mean, the owner is out, I think. Don't quote me on that though. Does Andy Paul still own any of...
224:01 Oh, does he not have a Wikipedia page? Well, that's something that he won't have in common
224:06 with you if we get our way. Oh my God. Don't never forget, guys, Luke Lefrenier needs a Wikipedia
224:13 page. Yeah, Hobbes is saying they used to have actual group eyes, too, that were exclusive to
224:22 Mastrop. Seriously, how important is this guy compared to Luke Lefrenier? Is this your relative,
224:27 by the way? Yeah. Oh, that's cool. Very, very disconnected, but technically along the line
224:32 somewhere, yes. That's super neat. I poked through a couple family relatives to figure out, like,
224:40 is there a chain... Oh, whoa, he's good. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Dang. I was thinking about,
224:45 get, my dad has one of his jerseys. I was thinking about one of, getting one of his jerseys recently.
224:49 14 points in 16 games in the 23-24 playoffs. Bit of a gamer. They're not doing so great, though.
224:58 The Rangers, yeah. Yeah. So there, his jersey was on sale recently, and I might actually grab one,
225:03 because it'd be kind of cool to have a jersey with your name on the back that is not a custom jersey.
225:08 You know, that's pretty sick. That's pretty cool.
225:13 What was I going to say? Yeah, Insomniac in Phil Pinchott also said it's kind of like what
225:18 happened to Humble Bundle over the last five-ish years. Humble Bundle is still a thing.
225:23 Humble Bundle is still a thing? Wait, no, I think I knew that. No, no, I knew that.
225:27 Humble Bundle. What do they have? What do they do? Get great games every month with Humble Choice
225:33 for only $18. Oh, it's a subscription. Is it a subscription? I think it's a variety of things.
225:41 Bundles. Okay, games. About books. Oh, yeah. You can Humble Bundle books. They had some Linux
225:46 administration thing recently, and I was like, oh, interesting. And then I was like, I'm not
225:51 diving that far in. I think you get to keep them, though. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. So it's not like,
225:57 I think GameBass works. No, no, no, no. Yeah, it's a, I don't know if there is a subscription
226:03 or not, but either way, Humble Bundle has always been, you keep it. So if they did have one, I'm
226:08 sure it would be, it'd be like a loot box kind of thing. Not a pay to access. Okay, so these are just
226:19 overwhelmingly positive games bundle. I mean, that sounds pretty good. I like overwhelmingly
226:25 positive things. Here we go. All right. But then I have to pay at least
226:34 $20 and 46 cents. Oh, you will get, you will get all eight items. Oh, yeah. All of these are all
226:40 items. So what if I put in a dollar? Oh, okay. No, you have to pay at least $20 and 46. Okay,
226:49 that's interesting. It's not that bad for that many games. I don't know how much they cost outside
226:53 of Humble Bundle. Yeah, me neither. But apparently they're all like super, super positive.
226:59 Highly rated. So that's something. What is bug fables?
227:02 Monster train is good. I played monster train. Oh, yeah. Okay. I found a bug in that game that made
227:07 me like, I could beat anything no matter what. They have this, I played both monster trains now.
227:14 I think that's monster train one. In monster train two, there's like different floors and you put
227:20 your units on the floors and then enemies come on and they attack once and then they go up a floor.
227:25 And I found this mechanic where there's a card where you, you can play the card and then it will
227:31 move one of your characters on the floor. And then there's an affix that you can put on the
227:36 character that makes it so that they gain a permanent stat when they move. But the,
227:41 it would try to figure out where the character would move before you played the card when you
227:46 would hover the card over. But that would mean that the character would move as far as the game
227:51 was concerned. So you could just highlight the card over and then un-highlight the card rapidly
227:55 and you just gain permanent stats. Just completely broke the game. I did it for one run because I
228:05 thought it was funny. And then I was like, I'm never doing that again. I have to like, you know,
228:09 it removes the entire fun of the game if you do that. But yeah, I just made it, you could just
228:13 one-shot anything. It was, it's pretty good. It's pretty good. Cool. Let's one-shot this message
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230:20 leads very well into another topic, which is that Paramount is set to take over Warner Brothers.
230:30 Netflix has officially dropped out of the bidding war to acquire Warner Bros. Discovery,
230:35 which leaves Paramount Skydance in the lead to acquire Warner Bros. Pictures, CNN, and HBO Max.
230:43 Paramount already owns CBS, Paramount Plus, Comedy Central, and Nickelodeon. They agreed to pay a
230:51 massive $7 billion termination fee if the deal fails to get regulatory approval.
230:58 Netflix's co-CEO stated that they declined to match Paramount's revised $31 a share offer,
231:05 so approximately $111 billion, because it is no longer financially attractive.
231:11 Yeah, I should think not. There's a significant amount of political drama surrounding this deal,
231:17 because Paramount's bid is not enabled by Paramount doing so good that they have so much
231:24 money that they can run around scooping up former competitors. It's because instead, Paramount's
231:30 bid is backed by a major right-wing donor, Larry Ellison. Meanwhile, Netflix's co-CEO, Ted Sarandos,
231:37 reportedly visited the White House hours before dropping out of the bidding war.
231:41 Interesting. The merger isn't finalized yet, but is expected to face heavy scrutiny,
231:46 well will it though, from both the US Department of Justice and, this is more likely, from European
231:51 regulators. The California Attorney General has already confirmed that there's an open
231:55 investigation with the California DOJ. Discussion question, is streaming trending towards a giant
232:02 monopoly worse than we ever had with cable TV? Yes. Yes, it is. That's why the pirate hats are coming out.
232:16 Yeah, so this is
232:21 more consolidation in the media we consume is bad. Yeah. I will say that, and hopefully
232:28 that is simple enough that everyone on every side of the political spectrum can
232:35 kind of go, oh yeah, that makes sense, and recognize that this is bad. Cool. Good chat.
232:45 By the way, Paramount owned CNN. Yeah, I said that.
232:55 Oh, okay, I didn't hear that part. So this is going to be very interesting in terms of-
233:00 It's like a pretty obvious reason why there's so much pressure to actually do this.
233:04 Yes, that's as far as I can tell the only reason that certain people involved in facilitating
233:10 this deal have any interest in it whatsoever. Speaking of weird stuff, HP is selling 1.2
233:16 terabyte laptops on Amazon. Kinda. The HP store on Amazon is selling low-end entry laptops,
233:24 and advertising them as 1 terabyte plus devices. The catch? 1 terabyte of the storage is OneDrive
233:33 cloud storage. Also, in the case of this 1.6 terabyte one, 512 gigs of it seems to be-
233:42 Oh wait, 512 gigs of it seems to be a portable hard drive. Wait, what?
233:49 Let me see if I can find it. What is this picture? Is this AI?
233:56 Could be. That water bottle is on her knee.
234:01 This- Is this just bad Photoshop or is this AI? I can't tell. Cause like clearly this shadow
234:06 under here would also- She would have shadows under her fingers.
234:10 Yeah, but like where's the water bottle? Oh, yeah.
234:13 Yeah, it's AI. You think it's AI? I'm pretty sure. It could be a bad Photoshop.
234:17 Uh, well, what's the graph? Yeah, let's have a look at these.
234:22 That's AI. This is AI. Yep, okay.
234:31 Nice. Okay. Well, that answers it. Yeah.
234:37 Very cool. Very good. Yes. That's a little ridiculous. Is this deceptive marketing? Yes.
234:44 I mean- They do specify in the title that it's OneDrive. They first say it's
234:48 1.6 terabyte of storage. Like, ah man. Yeah, I think it is. This one's better.
234:55 This one's better where they don't combine it. That's totally fine.
234:59 However, this is still- Don't mind that at all. This is still yucky. That's a problem. This is still super yucky.
235:04 The title on this one is fine. Yes. The category is not, but the title on this one is totally fine.
235:09 However, how long is this included for? Unless it's forever. It's less than years then.
235:16 They could fix it if it was a fixed period of time. I don't even care if it's less than years.
235:21 If it's not forever, it would, in my opinion, would need to be in brackets at the end.
235:26 Plus one terabyte of cloud storage for three years. Or if the price for the product said the upfront price and the subscription to maintain that
235:34 storage. Sure. I'd be fine with that as well. That would also be fine. I think so. Also fully acceptable. Yuck.
235:40 We got a no notes. The king of plasma TVs is done making TVs.
235:44 Panasonic is pulling a Sony and giving Skyworth control of their television business
235:50 with the aim for the Chinese firm to take over manufacturing,
235:53 marketing, and selling Panasonic TVs across the US and Europe.
235:58 Earlier this month, Panasonic announced plans to eliminate 12,000 jobs globally,
236:05 which is a surprisingly only 4 to 5% of their workforce. That's a giant company. Holy crap.
236:11 Panasonic makes like a lot of stuff. Yeah.
236:15 Just apparently not a lot of TVs these days.
236:19 To be clear, they're pulling a Sony in the sense that they are
236:23 offloading their TV business at least to a certain degree.
236:27 They seem to be doing it much more so. To a Chinese company. Yeah. But they're doing it a lot more into a different company.
236:31 Yeah. It's a Skyworth rather than TCL, which is to Sony.
236:34 More like, it seems like more of a partnership on the Sony side,
236:38 because they own part of the joint venture, whereas it seems like Panasonic is just like,
236:44 okay, you go ahead. This feels kind of like when you'd see an old brand that used to be cool,
236:51 like you'd see an RCA flat panel. You'd be like, did RCA ever make flat panels?
236:56 Then you look into it and it's just made by some random Chinese brand.
237:02 Sad. Another no notes, but I suspect we'll talk about it for a little bit.
237:06 YouTube rep has confirmed the ability to filter member-only videos.
237:12 As of right now, our LTT memberships are back online.
237:15 They sure are. You should still go to LMG.GG slash FPUan for better pricing,
237:20 but it's there if you'd rather stay on YouTube, which we know some of you would.
237:26 We're slowly uploading new exclusives, new as in they weren't uploaded
237:31 as of when this membership thing was turned off in the past. So some of it will be a couple of months back.
237:36 We're still in the process of uploading new exclusives. It's taking a while, as apparently there's a limit on videos uploading.
237:41 Oh, that makes sense. That does make sense, but I'm surprised it applies to all channels.
237:47 Yeah, I could see that. There's a lot of hacks and stuff. Yeah, I could see that.
237:50 Yeah, that's fine. So the feed is going to be kind of a mess, but Luke is going to show you guys real quick
237:58 a super awesome hack for not seeing any of the members' videos if you don't really want to.
238:04 For one thing, you can say, don't show me these anymore. And for another, excuse me, you can click this thing.
238:09 You can click on public. There you go. Boop, they're all gone. And then you won't see any of them, which is why we agreed.
238:15 Not a bad solution. Yeah, that's why we agreed to turn them back on.
238:18 You can also click on just members only. You could do that.
238:22 Or you can. Oh, why is that a thing? I saw that and tried to click away from it.
238:29 I did not. I did not.
238:34 I don't even know what that's in reference to.
238:38 I don't either. Freakin' Sammy.
238:42 Can't trust that guy.
238:46 Oh, man. All right. Hey, this is fun.
238:49 Remember how I said that I had faith that Apple was going to add end to end encryption
238:55 for RCS to iPhone to Android communications? I do.
238:58 They almost immediately did as part of the beta.
239:03 So they are now testing that. The second beta of 26.4 has support for it.
239:09 So that's pretty cool. Our discussion question is,
239:13 now that Apple's original lack of encryption argument no longer applies,
239:16 what do you think was the real reason they waited so long to adopt RCS?
239:19 Shame. It's just definitely shame. Because they just plain didn't want to.
239:22 Yeah, they wanted to shame Android stuff. Yeah.
239:26 There's a new app that lets us track Sammy specifically.
239:29 No, it's people with smart glasses. But realistically, it's just Bluetooth devices.
239:34 But in this case, it's probably coded for specific IDs that show you smart glasses.
239:38 Anyways, with millions of pairs of smart glasses now in the wild,
239:41 you never know who might be secretly filming. And you still won't.
239:45 But a new app called Nearby Glasses scans for Bluetooth signals
239:49 and warns users when smart glasses may be in use.
239:52 The app is currently available on the Google Play Store with iOS in the works.
240:00 Neat. Leaked charger for a new iPhone.
240:04 Apparently they're going magnetic only.
240:08 Blah, blah, blah. It's a portless iPhone on the way.
240:11 We've all known this was going to happen for a while.
240:14 No, this seems very, very rumor-milly. Okay, I'm not engaging with that.
240:21 What else we got here? Discord is delaying its global age verification rollout.
240:26 Discord is now pushing back their rule changes to the second half of 2026.
240:31 Before they introduce the new rules, the company will be adding more options for users to verify their age
240:36 and add the ability to make spoiler channels, which are essentially age-gated chats for NSFW topics.
240:43 They also plan to publish a blog post explaining exactly
240:46 how their age estimation systems work. Well, that'll be an easy way to get around them then.
240:50 Quote from Discord CEO says, The way this landed, many of you walked away thinking
240:55 we're requiring face scans and ID uploads from everyone just to use Discord.
240:59 That's not what's happening, but the fact that so many people believe it tells us we failed at our most basic job,
241:04 clearly explaining what we're doing and why.
241:15 Okay, well, we'll see how it goes in another six months or so.
241:19 Yeah, the problem is the way this landed was you were working with like
241:24 the Palantir guy. I don't remember his name right now. Yeah, like it's just not a great look.
241:29 That's, I think, the main reason. It's the main reason why I was pissed.
241:33 Hey, do you want to be not upset? Yeah, sure. This is pretty cool.
241:37 Ars Technica posted this article. In spite of big offers from tech companies,
241:43 many farmers are being supremely based
241:48 and refusing to sell their land for data center use.
241:51 So based. 82-year-old, this is so cool.
241:55 82-year-old Ida Huddleston told representatives of a Fortune 500 company
242:01 when she rejected their offer of $33 million for 650 acres of Kentucky farmland.
242:09 There's a quote, you don't have enough to buy me out.
242:12 I'm not for sale. Leave me alone.
242:15 I'm satisfied.
242:19 Based. Another farmer in the same county or country,
242:23 it says country, but I'm sure they mean county because obviously they'd be in the same country.
242:28 75-year-old Timothy Grocer declined a proposal to name your price
242:34 when a tech company sought to buy his 250-acre farm.
242:38 This was reported by The Guardian. The money's not worth giving up your lifestyle, Grocer said.
242:46 Based. Based. And agricultural land. Farmer's being based again.
242:50 Agricultural land has been a target because it has access to water.
242:59 It has traditionally been relatively inexpensive for the amount of area you can get per dollar,
243:06 which if you're trying to build a sprawling data center might be an advantage.
243:11 I think access to power has also been an advantage traditionally.
243:14 Oh yeah, farm power. Yep. It's like way cheaper.
243:18 There's a discussion question here. It says here in BC we have the agricultural land reserve to theoretically at least protect farmland.
243:25 Do you think other regions could follow that example? I think they could.
243:28 I think the agricultural land reserve is extremely documentedly and I mean you could just take a drive in some of those areas
243:35 horrifically abused by the ultra-rich in BC to just have insanely massive mansions,
243:41 pay way less in power, pay way less in taxes,
243:45 pay way less in lots of different things by just kind of basically pretending that they're farmers
243:50 by having a tiny little bit of their land dedicated to farming something.
243:55 It's very, very common that it's wine grapes and then they'll have somebody because very little
244:04 maintenance and then you have somebody come gather your grapes and sell them or whatever
244:08 and you don't do any of the labor and you make no money off of it,
244:12 but you are allowed to classify yourself as a farm.
244:16 This is like just one of the many, many ways that BC is extremely well known for just excessive
244:21 amounts of scams, just tons and tons of scams.
244:24 I mean that's a farmhouse, right? That sure do be a farmhouse, brother.
244:30 Let's go. There are tons of these in BC.
244:34 That is like we are here. Tons of them. We are here.
244:37 That is like here. Hell yeah.
244:41 Those crops, all those crops behind there, that's making so much money.
244:46 They have solar panels though, so it's fine. That's making so much money, dude.
244:51 Hope this is not that easy to do with a touch pad, but let's see.
244:55 Let's see what else we can find. Let's play. And it's wild because you'll see like a very legitimate operation.
245:00 Yeah, here's a farm. And everything looks pretty normal. And then you see a mega mesh and you're like, oh.
245:05 What are we looking at here? What about second house or is that a garage?
245:10 Actually, this one's not that bad. This one's not that bad. That looks pretty normal. This was fine.
245:13 I don't want to point out it. Like there are a lot of very legitimate farmers in BC,
245:20 but it's extremely expensive land. So it's very, very difficult to get into.
245:24 And you're bidding against people like potentially this
245:29 that are just building mega mansions and then, you know.
245:36 Chillin'. Playing farmer game by paying someone else to take care of their land.
245:40 I've also heard that if you are like, oh, the land's really bad.
245:46 I haven't been able to make any money off of it because it's crap.
245:51 Can we rezone it for not farmland? That is pretty hard from my understanding.
245:57 People try. I'm sure they try. I'm sure they try, but my understanding is it's pretty hard.
246:01 I'm glad. Yeah.
246:07 Yeah. How many garages is that? Six? That's a lot of garages.
246:11 Is there more garages on the right there? Chebus.
246:16 Absolutely wild. They look like they do some legitimate farming.
246:20 Yeah, but there's also the thing where you can hire people to come in and legitimately farm.
246:23 No, for sure. The one that I'm talking about is like way more egregious.
246:28 There's a lot of ones a little further away from here.
246:32 Like more in the kind of all the Grove area.
246:35 Look at that house. Wow.
246:38 And meanwhile, this one. Damn.
246:43 Oh my. Damn. That's a big house.
246:51 Oh my God. This one couldn't even all be in a straight line.
246:57 They're not even pretending that they ever go any farther out of the house than
247:01 this wall. Yeah.
247:04 Sure, though. We go, you know, do crop things. Oh my God.
247:08 Look at this one. The main thing, the main thing that stands out to me, like if they actually,
247:12 if they actually end up producing like good crops, I don't really care that much.
247:17 If they happen to be super rich and they're like, whatever, I'll farm this land and I'm
247:20 going to just pay someone else to do it and I'll slap a house here. Like that doesn't bother me that much.
247:24 The main, a little bit, but not that much. The main ones that bother me is when they just have like a tiny amount of the property
247:31 dedicated to that, like minimum requirements, which is often not that high.
247:36 And then they do it. It's like yikes. Look how many cars are in front of this place.
247:41 You know, you can only drive one at a time, right?
247:44 Some of these might be multifamily. Oh, I'm sure they are.
247:48 Yeah. Well, that was just a guy and his dog.
247:52 Need 12 bedrooms. There's an extremely, if you want to have fun one day, if you go around Google maps,
248:00 there's way more than I thought there was. Look into how much people make in this province and then just have fun looking down some of the roads.
248:10 Look at, look into some of the costing of certain areas and go, wait, wait a minute.
248:15 Oh, you mean all the illegitimate money? Yeah. Oh yeah. So that doesn't make any sense.
248:20 The top end of people's earning in this province is, you know, this much.
248:23 That means there's that many people, a huge percentage of them live in Vancouver.
248:27 Okay, cool. What are all these places?
248:30 How is there so many places worth like double digit millions of dollars?
248:35 And there's just so many of them. Are across the street neighbors when I was in my teens were just known to be gangsters.
248:46 I think I've told you the story probably a few times. One of the in-home geek squad guys when I worked at geek squad,
248:53 worked at like a very obvious Hell's Angels place.
248:57 And the guy just like was laughing about, he offered him a beer and stuff.
249:01 And he said, no, obviously. And then as he was leaving, he was like, guess what I do for work?
249:05 And he was like, what? And he's like, I don't remember what he said. I repair, I work for like a refrigerator repair company or something.
249:13 And then just huge belly laugh. I was like, like, it's like clearly, clearly, clearly.
249:20 He had like a crazy Harley. He had some, he had some leathers and stuff.
249:24 Like it was, it was very obviously a Hell's Angels, bro.
249:28 Just, just messing around.
249:31 I'm in waste management. That's a pretty, that's a, that's a pretty big tell.
249:40 Yeah, BC, BC. Ah, man, I don't remember what it was.
249:43 I'm pretty sure it was New York times. It was a long time ago, but they did like a most corrupt place in North America
249:48 and ended up being Vancouver. This was, this was quite a while ago. Things have probably shifted a little bit, but probably not that much.
249:54 There is a lot of money moving around in BC in, in illegitimate ways.
250:01 Well, Sean Caldera was actually talking to me about what's going on in Fort Langley right now.
250:05 Where, where real estate developer bro couldn't get permits to build just like whatever he wanted.
250:11 So he ran and became the mayor so that he could just green light whatever he wanted to do.
250:16 And then his influence is spreading. And like the whole vibe of Fort Langley has changed very significantly
250:22 because there was all these rules about historical buildings
250:26 and how high they could build and all this kind of stuff. And he's blown that out.
250:29 And now it's just like, another suburb.
250:33 Well, the, the one main street, it just, it doesn't feel historic so much anymore.
250:39 There's a couple, there's a couple buildings here and there.
250:42 But it just feels like, I don't know. I'm in like a trendy street in Vancouver now.
250:47 And it's just in the middle of nowhere. It's kind of sad.
250:53 I should put in a whole foods.
250:58 Man, it's a pretty small place, maybe a half.
251:02 Oh my goodness. Sorry. Oh man.
251:05 What were we even talking about? Who knows?
251:09 Farmers refusing to sell the data centers. Oh yeah, cool. Based.
251:12 Based. Sam Altman, Defense AI at the India AI Impact Summit.
251:21 Are you ready for your eyes to just about roll out of your head? I don't know anything about this topic.
251:24 Yeah. Open AI CEO Sam Altman argued that it's unfair to only look at the energy consumption it
251:29 takes to train an AI because it also takes a lot of energy to train a human.
251:33 Sorry, I wasn't ready for that at all.
251:41 That's wild. We would need to factor, if this is a quote, 20 years of life
251:47 and all the food you eat during that time before you get smart.
251:50 Oh, so humans are just, it's just the matrix now.
251:55 Altman further claims that if you compare a GPT inference query to a human answering
252:00 a question, probably AI has already caught up on an energy efficiency basis.
252:05 Holy crap.
252:08 Whoa, dude. He completely dismissed concerns over chat GPT's water usage as totally fake,
252:15 arguing that modern data centers don't use a evaporative cool.
252:19 I mean, some of them do, but that, I mean, that I'm not even going to pick apart that
252:22 much when the whole like, okay.
252:27 Oh man, good Lord. So here's, here's the, okay, I could, I could wax philosophical on the value of a human life
252:36 and therefore just obviously being more valuable than, you know, an AI agent or whatever, right?
252:41 Like I could, I could do that, but instead I'm going to go all the way to the hyper capitalist
252:47 side and I'm going to meet you on your own turf and I'm going to say why that was such a
252:53 f***ing stupid thing to say, okay?
252:56 In a way that is undeniable, that AI will never pay taxes.
253:03 Oh, all right.
253:08 All right. You're done, bud. All right. False equivalency.
253:13 And I don't even have to get into whether humans have a soul or, you know, or just the.
253:21 If you look at all the ways that OpenAI started, he was talking about how it was going to save
253:24 humanity and a universal basic income and all this kind of stuff. And now he's saying like, ah, you don't need the plebs.
253:29 Yep. I've got chills. Damn. It's, he's getting a little bit more real here.
253:33 Boom. Which might be good. Boom.
253:37 Scam Altman. Yeah. You can't tax the AI. Pop more colors, Sam.
253:42 I'll never forget. So that's why we should, that's why we should, even from a hyper capitalist,
253:50 don't care about anything, but more, more money standpoint.
253:55 That's why we should invest in humans and, and training humans.
254:00 And we should not invest in training. Mitch, what am I looking at?
254:04 Why can't I scroll up? There we go. What is this?
254:08 Yeah. Do you have two collars? He sure does.
254:12 Pop in colors, Sam. We didn't forget about Looped, Sam.
254:16 It was a scammy company. You lied about your users. We didn't forget, Sam.
254:20 A little evil boy.
254:24 I don't like you. You know what's funny is we had like that, that concept of a line of, of clothing products.
254:30 So we had the, the Steve, that turtleneck, that mock neck that was based on Steve Jobs.
254:35 The Sam, did he just have a green? Just have like a stupid double collar on it.
254:39 That would be amazing. I think we won't do that. Yeah.
254:44 The Italian government has declared all cloud storage users guilty in advance.
254:49 A levy of up to 30 euros per year will be applied to cloud storage accounts
254:55 based on the reasoning that that storage space could be used for copyright infringement.
255:01 The Italian Minister of Culture signed a decree extending the levy that previously
255:07 applied only to physical media and at the same time increased the fees for physical media.
255:13 The Italian Society of Authors and Publishers welcomed the move while Italian consumer and
255:17 technology advocacy groups are calling the move anachronistic.
255:21 These sorts of levies are not new. Germany introduced similar levies in the 1960s after legislators were convinced
255:27 that cassette recorders would destroy record sales.
255:31 Fun fact, did you know that the Canadian private copying levy is still set to 29 cents per blank
255:36 CD and has been extended to 2027? That's one of the reasons that blank media was more expensive here than it was in the states.
255:43 However, I am going to say something once again, I know, huge surprise to everyone,
255:48 that might come across controversial. The levy on blank CDs was actually a lot simpler for me than the Canadian government
255:56 actually enforcing copyright.
256:02 I paid a little bit of levy on every blank CD and I never worried about
256:07 like the music industry busting down my door. Sure. I, and as long as this levy kind of sits there as an invisible shield against me ever actually
256:22 like being punished in any way for the songs I downloaded on Napster, I was actually pretty
256:28 chill with it. Italian friends, I encourage you to explore self-hosting.
256:36 Yeah, you can do that too. You have your own cloud. It's blackjack.
256:39 And they don't have to know about it.
256:43 Nice. Solid. Oh, hey, well, is that it for topics?
256:47 Oh, do we talk about open claw? Yeah, I didn't catch that much about it.
256:50 The lady had her emails deleted.
256:54 Yeah, it's, we don't have notes on it. I don't know enough about it.
256:57 Cool. No, let's not do that then. But it is, you want to, here, let's just do this bit.
257:03 Let's just look at their website real quick. The AI that actually does things.
257:06 I mean, it does do that. Clears your inbox a little bit too much, maybe.
257:10 Sends emails, manages your calendar, checks your invite, flights, all that kind of stuff.
257:14 Look at this. What it does, what it does, what it does.
257:19 It runs on your machine. It uses any chat app that it has.
257:22 It has persistent memory. It controls your browser. It has full system access, including reading and writing files,
257:28 running shell commands, executing scripts, full access,
257:32 or potentially sandboxed.
257:35 And people are letting this rip. Apparently, Facebook researcher person,
257:40 it deleted their entire inbox. It's probably efficient. Not entire, but a lot of it, yeah.
257:44 Emails are slowing them down. Delete the whole thing.
257:48 Maybe that's good.
257:51 Sweet. I don't think we have a ton else to say. None of us have used this.
257:58 It's super dangerous. It uses an old OS with a ton of vulnerabilities.
258:02 Yeah, not too surprised. It is what it is.
258:08 Neat.
258:12 All right. Dan, do you want to switch us over to After Dark?
258:17 Wait, are you? Hold on. I don't have Twitter installed.
258:23 That's one of my problems. When there's somebody that I can only communicate with on Twitter,
258:26 I just constantly uninstall it.
258:30 Then I'll install it again because I have to go message somebody and then I'm like, oh crap, I ghosted this person for a while.
258:35 I hate that it's like sometimes the only way to contact people.
258:39 Hey, you want to know what's already started? What? After Dark?
258:42 Oh.
258:46 And you can tell how controversial it is.
258:52 Like press ratio.
258:55 Oh, man. I'm surprised you went back to it.
259:00 I don't know anything about Popeyes. I've never used it. I know nothing about it. I have no opinions on it.
259:04 I just, yeah, I'm surprised once scorned he returned.
259:12 Well, the narrative last time should be,
259:18 or the narrative last time was that was a fluke.
259:22 That should never have happened. Yeah. They patched the bug. That's not normal.
259:27 And I was like, I- Was that the only thing?
259:31 I don't remember. Yeah, because I just never got as far as even like
259:35 almost the first thing and then it nuked and then you went somewhere else.
259:38 And then I went elsewhere. Yeah.
259:41 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, Dan, hit us.
259:45 Sure thing. Hey Linus, a while ago you teased us with a sling bag
259:51 for handhelds and tablets. Any updates on that sling bag?
259:56 Oh, shoot, probably, but I can't actually remember
260:04 right now. Matthew's working on it. I saw a newer version of it a little while ago.
260:11 I think we put it on pause waiting around for Switch 2 is what I want to say.
260:16 So the latest version of it has, it's bigger,
260:20 so it could accommodate a Steam Deck, but it has an insert so that you can put like a Switch 2 securely in it or a Switch 1.
260:28 But it's tough, man, when the form factors of these handhelds are so-
260:32 They vary so much. Yeah, they're so different in terms of their thickness and girthiness,
260:37 and all those are both kind of the same thing. But like whether they have like handles on them
260:41 or whether they're like super skinny with Joy-Cons, like it might be one of those things where when we finally release it,
260:49 it's ultimately not really what you want because we have to target something
260:52 or we end up targeting nothing and then nobody wants it.
260:56 What chipset are you using for the Linux challenge?
261:03 I've used Linux since Slackware 1.0,
261:07 and I can't get anything to work properly on Strix Halo.
261:16 I constantly forget the hardware in my system because I didn't build it myself.
261:19 Interesting. I am using a variety of chipsets, one of which is Strix Halo.
261:27 I'm actually, I think this is launched now so I can show it,
261:30 but I've been using this PX13 from ASUS for a little bit.
261:35 It's a Strix Halo system with a, yeah, convertible thing.
261:41 It's basically the old Flow X13, but without the XG Mobile,
261:46 without a dedicated GPU, with 40 gigabit per second USB-C,
261:52 and with beefy cooling and Strix Halo.
261:57 This is a side note. I think it's not worth uploading our back catalog.
262:02 I'm just going to side note real quick. I know we can press the thing and I think that's really cool,
262:08 but when people don't, I guess, I don't know how to uncheck it.
262:13 So this is what the page looks like. It's a temporary issue though.
262:17 But there is literally no videos on my entire page that are not members only.
262:22 And I don't know if people are going to know to click this.
262:26 Yeah, it's so little of how people find our videos anyway, like really like negligible.
262:30 I'm just boomer boy. Yeah, pretty much. I do that to find videos. I know.
262:34 Okay. Yeah. That's fine.
262:37 Okay.
262:41 And it's temporary. I fully acknowledge it's a problem.
262:44 You're right. I think some people were upset about it being on the home page.
262:50 Home page. I think you can just click. I'm not interested in this on the home page.
262:53 You can't do that on the actual channel page, but you can just click public on the channel page.
262:56 There are solutions everywhere as far as Mary's saying it goes. It does seem to remember.
263:01 It will forget after a little while, but it will remember.
263:05 Okay. More merge messages. Hey, Luke, do you still play the new Mario Kart?
263:10 No. I quit the first day.
263:13 I bought a Switch. This is probably the most disappointing purchase in a while.
263:18 I bought a, I went blind into the new Mario Kart.
263:21 Just expecting, you know, I've enjoyed like every Mario Kart.
263:25 Someone's screaming no wrong. It's correct for me.
263:30 Yeah. I bought a Switch to almost exclusively four Mario Kart.
263:34 I played Mario Kart 8 and Mario Kart 8 Deluxe both a lot.
263:40 I played Mario Kart 8 on the Wii U a bunch. And then I played Mario Kart 8 Deluxe or whatever it's called
263:45 on the, on the Switch quite a bit as well.
263:49 I played mostly on the Wii U, I think, but I also played on the Switch.
263:53 Very excited about new Mario Kart. Was excited, just didn't look into things because I didn't want it spoiled.
263:59 Played a fair bit in one day. And the whole time I was just like, I don't like certain things about this.
264:05 I really, I always really loved drifting in Mario Kart.
264:10 Loved it. And then now it's like the drifting was weird.
264:14 It didn't feel good for a variety of reasons. And I don't think I'm the only one that thinks that.
264:18 And then they have this new like rail grind thing that I really did not like.
264:24 They had a few other things that just made it really whack. It felt even more encouraging of exploits than previous Mario Karts.
264:33 Usually in previous Mario Karts, the exploits were cool, but kind of hard to do.
264:36 So you wouldn't see them in like online competitive play much. And literally day one, people were doing like under map exploits and crazy stuff
264:44 in the new one because of all the different systems that they support that is just kind of whack.
264:52 Yeah, I did not have a good time and I have not played it since.
264:57 Honestly, my Switch 2 is not getting a lot of play time.
265:00 Yeah. Like probably sell it. I think my son made the wrong call.
265:06 I think he should have gone with a handheld PC. Disappointing.
265:09 Man, I was talking about that when it launched. He uses it when we travel.
265:13 And in fairness to Nintendo, it'll probably have like a seven year lifespan.
265:18 Yeah, probably. So there'll be plenty of time for Banger Games to come out for it.
265:21 I'm going to interject here with another merch message. What you're referring to as Switch 2 is in fact Switch Plus 2,
265:27 or as I've taken to referring, sorry.
265:31 Line is wondering if your son is still liking the Switch 2.
265:35 My daughter is now asking for one as a high school graduation gift.
265:40 He's not using it that much.
265:44 Bottom line, he likes it when he uses it. He uses it when we travel, but like we don't travel that much.
265:51 And usually when we travel, we're like doing stuff.
265:54 Like our two of our recent trips were ski trips.
265:58 So we're up early. We eat. We ski.
266:02 We come home. We maybe play like some card games or hang out.
266:08 We let them bring their friends on one of the trips. So the kids brought some friends.
266:11 So they hung out for a little bit and Yvonne and I hit the hot tub. And then we all collapse in our beds.
266:17 And I mean, the way we travel is pretty type A.
266:23 So like I'm talking, we leave here Friday night.
266:27 We ski Saturday morning. We sleep in the hotel for one night.
266:33 We ski Sunday and fly home Sunday.
266:37 Like 48 hours doorstep to doorstep from home to home.
266:41 Oh yeah. So there's not a lot of room for like
266:45 playing Mario Kart on your Switch in all of that.
266:49 Oh, by the way, totally unrelated. I tried skiing for the first time in over 25 years.
266:56 It was fine. Back to boarding. Yeah, I think I'm going to go back to snowboarding.
267:00 Yeah. But not because like skiing is like a problem,
267:05 but just because I've only boarded for over 25 years,
267:09 I am more comfortable and therefore having more fun on a board.
267:14 I talk to my kids about this all the time, how you have to kind of, when you're an adult especially,
267:19 you kind of have to invest in getting good at something
267:22 to have fun with it. And I hate that video games have become that now
267:26 because I used to think, well, I'm really like jumping
267:31 between topics here, but I used to hear people say, yeah, I only really play single player stuff now
267:35 because like multiplayer is not fun because I'm not sweaty enough. And I didn't feel like things were that sweaty then,
267:39 but now I'm totally there. I don't think this is age.
267:44 I think things have changed. I'm not sweaty and sweaty enough of a skier
267:48 to have fun skiing the way that I have fun boarding though.
267:52 So if you look at like Counter-Strike lobbies back in the day,
267:55 even the try-hards back then, in not all cases definitely,
268:00 but in a lot of cases would be seen as like very casual players these days,
268:04 in regards to the effort put into the game,
268:07 like the fact that it is genuinely common for people to like warm up and aim trainers,
268:12 like no, dude. That's crazy. The sweaty guys play every day after work.
268:18 Wow. Yeah. And now what do you have? Yeah.
268:21 60 hours a week of practice. That's crazy. And like it's like, I remember I played on some pretty good teams
268:28 and I remember like the idea of practicing if it wasn't just a scrim was like-
268:32 Was funny. Insane. Like like you would- What are you talking about?
268:35 Like when I was in high school, if someone said they were practicing a video game,
268:40 like you would have gotten an involuntary chortle,
268:43 like just like that one.
268:46 But like even on the team- It's hilarious to think about it. I remember our like our best player was talking
268:51 about how you wanted to do like effectively aim training and like teaching people some like movement things
268:56 and stuff like that. And everyone other than me was like,
269:01 no, I'll scrim. I'll like play and just get better through playing.
269:05 Let's do some monkeys. What are you talking about? I'm not going to like, no, not a chance.
269:11 And now people like very voluntarily on their own,
269:15 just to queue up like normals. They're not on a team.
269:20 None of this matters. They're going nowhere. We'll like practice and aim trainers for a long time
269:24 before they jump online. Like the playing field has legitimately shifted.
269:31 We have not just gotten older. It's probably both.
269:34 Yeah. But it's not just getting older.
269:40 Last one I've got for you tonight. Whale VIP here.
269:44 Oh, what's up? Gigi on the Helldivers game. Yeah, it was my first time playing.
269:49 It was fun. It's a good game. What game slash activity slash, et cetera.
269:54 Do you wish you could have done it at the LAN? I wanted to chair curl and I missed it.
269:58 I was busy chair curling is so fun.
270:01 I still can't believe your dad didn't win. He got, yeah, he got.
270:05 Didn't he win at one of our things once? Thought so. Yeah. Okay.
270:08 Somebody, he had a great shot apparently. And somebody just like whipped their chair and took his chair out.
270:13 I mean, that's curling, right? There's, yeah, there's, there is offensive measures to this game.
270:18 But you only have one shot. You can't like in a curling game, it goes back and forth constantly.
270:23 You, you throw your chair once, right? Right. So like you had a good shot and it got taken out.
270:28 It just is what it is. All right. Some of it's like the order that you just happened to be in.
270:35 I don't know. What was I going to say?
270:39 Yeah, I wish the, I wish the eight V eight. We got to kind of figure that out because that I really, I already agreed with the vision.
270:47 But now I saw the vision. And it was bright and there was just issues with it.
270:51 Yeah. I hope we can get there. Yeah. It will take a long time.
270:55 There were a lot of technical issues with the eight V eight this year.
270:58 When we were using it, it was great. The whole idea of everyone just sits down and you just play.
271:04 And there's no like, oh, sorry. No, I don't have you on steam.
271:08 So can someone lobby up so that we have like, like only maximum of two degrees of separation
271:15 between whoever's running the lobby and okay. Sorry, are we using the official servers?
271:19 Oh, well, I only have a pirated version of the game. So I'm not going to be able to join an official server.
271:23 Oh God, well, no, I have the official game. I have to go get a pirated version of it.
271:27 Good Lord. Like just that whole, that whole four plays just so not sexy.
271:32 For me, it was also just the defaultness of it.
271:36 People gathered near the entrance of the eight V eight. And everyone was like, we're playing Halo.
271:43 There is a blue side and a red side. Yep.
271:46 There is the blue team and the red team. I wonder what team I should join.
271:52 Oh, no, you just joined. I'm blue seven.
271:56 Well, I joined blue, like cool.
271:59 Like there's, there's no, you just get into the game pretty quick. You just start playing.
272:03 It was, it was, it was pretty sweet. We had some issues with the net booting and well, well, there were some problems.
272:08 We'll figure it out. We'll figure it out.
272:11 We need someone who's going to own it and then, and then they'll own it.
272:16 Huge props to the whale land team. Shout out Evan and Pankrat.
272:20 I think they might mean Yvonne or do they mean Evan, like our new social guy?
272:32 Cool. Evan the volunteer. Yeah, I thought so. I thought that might have been his name. Oh, that guy.
272:35 Evan's pretty based. Yeah. Evan's cool. Yeah.
272:39 And archive. I'm really bad with names. So I thought his name was Evan, but I didn't want to say it, but yeah.
272:46 Okay. Well, is that it for the man show? All right.
272:49 We'll see you again next week. Oh, same bad time. Same bad channel.
272:52 I feel like that's not going to be me. All right. Four hours flies by when you're having fun.
272:55 Bye. Bye.