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Oh, yeah, the NVIDIA shield has been getting updates for ten years

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That's that makes it older than I thought you're gonna go there

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To be clear nothing about that's funny. It's just

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Humor is an interesting thing dark uncomfortable. Yeah observation and sometimes the way we cope is to laugh

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Humor but sometimes Y'all are great like in general, but

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You guys know you guys know how you are

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The stream started with Luke laughing. Okay. Well, I guess buffer time just removed it anyways, cool

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That makes sense. It's probably okay Probably for the best

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What's funny is Epstein was a bad guy basically

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Will be a ZTW next week ZTW next week. Can we get a teaser of what to expect?

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Doing live WAN Show there. That'll be cool. Yeah, expect that

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And there's a panel that we're doing where we're talking about stuff

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and Things and things and it definitely things as well for sure back when Turtle Beach was good. When was that?

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I don't even know what they're responding to I just saw that in flow playing chat I was like wait a second. I think they had some good interfaces or something at some point

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Do they their headphones were always crap though. Oh, yeah

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The only thing I thought was cool about them was that they had these like

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huge like Massive scale the headphones that they would bring to conferences that were kind of fun

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Have you seen this

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Who knows he said has you seen this and they're just left I

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Presume he's bringing something back But no idea what he's talking about

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Okay, I'm closing my eyes at request of Linus

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Okay, they were way bigger than that but what the heck oh, they're like buddy headphones

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There's a prop. Oh I mean

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Pud, you know, he would have just made these real. Oh, so what's up with these? Why?

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Well, they're surprisingly heavy. Oh, okay, so they do actually do something

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Shoot I'm sorry guys. I was muted were you able to pick me up through his well, whatever

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That's a real product and they're fun. It was mostly visual. It was mostly visual guys

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No, they're headphones

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Okay, so you sit them here

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Yeah, there you go, okay

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Do people buy these things they are a gimmick product

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JLab has the Birmingham Bowl

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A football stadium thing and they're to celebrate something the title sponsor of a sports team. Oh

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Go sports ball, I just find there's there's products like this that you see every once in a while

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They are a gimmick and it's just it's interesting like, you know those like enormous Bluetooth speakers

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Yes, what's the market for those who buys those?

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events There's enough of events

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That would want that Especially like small events. They're super easy to use you just like plug a microphone into them and it's like instant PA

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Anywhere you want They're not that big in the context of I need big sound to address a small crowd

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So anything from like a big sale

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To like a little swim meat to like anything that you just like need okay

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So like genuinely small small events. So I was thinking like it's not enough for our all-hands. No

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10% income earner can mostly shrug off

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It's not really a business thing and that's kind of where they are. Yeah, apparently protesters use them

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Someone in chat said got it So they're like three four hundred bucks barbecue. I think I think they're in the kind of five hundred dollar range

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Yeah, they can go up to like thousand bucks really got giant batteries in them here

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Yeah, I mostly do all the JBL for like 400 bucks on Amazon CA. So that's Canadian. Oh, I'm doing Canadian

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Yeah, here's a Samsung one for 600 CAD

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Here's a like splash-proof one for oh, yeah, that's getting into the that's a bit of a stretch range

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Yeah, but if you need splash-proof, I guess you pay a little more and here's maybe maybe you've got like, you know the

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A few people are in on that one for like a pool thing like you're talking about

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We can get a no-name one for 200 CAD. Yeah. So like yeah, that's that's kind of the range. That's the range we're talking. Yeah

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Yeah, I do a lot of short circuits. Sony sends us a bunch of them

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Uh, the Sony ones known as Sony does a lot of really good their price to performance is where it should be

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Yeah, okay, but they're not cheap I got an 800 samsung one pretty sweet for jamming while cleaning the house

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That's crazy by headphones Hmm. Hey, yeah, that's a use case I did not expect for those

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Huh, especially for 800 bucks

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I have an ion version of that it slaps I use it for working construction. Okay

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The battery life and sound quality outperformed to Walt Milwaukee, etc. Got a refurbished one on amazon for 150 CAD. Yeah, okay, boom

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Yeah See about 150 CAD like that's you're getting into much more reasonable ranges at that point. It's still a lot but

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Splash-proof can also just be for like people in scotland having summer parties

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Well, I just a joke about the miserable weather in scotland. Oh, okay. Got it

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Orgies Yeah, 80s new wave over the stereo while cleaning

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You know, I get that my the the the reason why I raised my eyebrow at that is because you can just do that for so much cheaper

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Like the the like good part of these things is that they're portable and they have batteries and stuff

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If you're in your house cleaning You could just use speakers that you have in your house

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Or giant headphones around your neck or giant Or normal headphones on your head

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Well, that's a good idea. I didn't think of that

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Oh, no, he's cleaning and you got his AirPods in You

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We need to talk about open claw

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Is this the thing where her email got deleted? I don't know maybe probably I've heard some bad stuff

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I'm sorry. There's just a reddit comment on the on an open claw or a thing

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Hype plus no safeguards is all the current pack of brain atrophied yolo

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Let's need to allow clawed to hold the wheel in every aspect of their lives

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Oh man, that's pretty good. That is pretty good

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Think I'm becoming a leadite man

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I don't care how to integrate an AI agent into my workflow, uh, maybe it would help you not suck at Linux

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Boom roasted It's your laptop you can hurt it as much as you want

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I did nothing wrong. Yeah, maybe you could have done things more right. I did nothing wrong

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Dude the first okay, you know what we should save this for the show, but

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The first day of Linux challenge was crazy for me

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Yeah, but you're just We can save for the show. Mm-hmm. We sure can

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Should we start the show and yeah, we're gonna call it challenge now

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I was on the fence about calling it challenge before it's definitely challenge for some

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It's it's a challenge All right, I'm just gonna have you do it. I guess then is that cool

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Um, no, maybe don't I need to figure out about that

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To now Floatplane twitch he's got two youtube facebook

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No, no, let's not this week. I need to figure that out more. Oh, well, does that matter?

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Okay, is there a problem? No, okay

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The first time Linus does anything it's crazy for him

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Uh, when I show you guys what happened, I mean luke

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That clip I showed you, uh, yeah, would you call that crazy? Yeah, it didn't happen to me

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I'm cursed it never happened to me

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Won't happen to me. I think Torpedo bench says I say this with all due respect Linus. I'm so looking forward to seeing what you're doing to over complicate the Linux experience this time

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I didn't do anything I swear this is like that time that I opened up that laptop

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That had Linux on it and it just like spontaneously fucking broke

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Like just remember when you're on live tv and you tried to press the button to make the thing do the thing and it was like nah

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And then the second we walked it offstage it was like, okay

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Oh, there's no cameras around now. All right

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Amaker says how are Linux people being defensive before they've even heard the issue you've had Linus

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Have you ever have you have you met my friend the Linux community?

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They're gonna they're gonna frickin, you know, I

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Yeah, um, okay. Oh, we should add it to the doc Linux challenge update

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I'm adding a spot for it

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Okay, should we do let's do this thing

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Maybe we should talk about open cloth. Is there an open cloth topic? Nope

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It's on tackling today

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He always thinks he doesn't do anything I

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That thing where I deleted my gooey was a bug

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The initial knee jerk reaction was that it was like user error and you could make an argument for user error

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There's a extremely strong argument for user error because you hold on

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No, there's also an extremely strong argument for that was a bug that they acknowledged was a bug

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So that was a bug that they acknowledged was a bug and they had to fix

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And it told me what it was going to do and you said yes, that's nice

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It was a bug both things are true bugged behavior that should have never

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Happened you also didn't read. Yeah, but I had no way of knowing what that even did

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I had no way of knowing that anything that I was doing

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Would would result in anything catastrophic. It was a bug though. I don't know if people followed that up

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So that's the most important thing is the initial knee jerk reaction was this guy is a complete idiot

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How did he manage to screw it up doing something so basic? Which was

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Exactly how I fell into it because there should have been no way to screw it up doing something so basic

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So, yeah, I just followed along and I was like, I guess I want to go see what it said on screen

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I remember it says something along the lines of like you Shouldn't be doing this thing. Yeah, please acknowledge that you know absolutely what you're doing and you were like irreversible

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Yeah, yeah, maybe at that point time But that should never have been that should never have been possible when you're just installing steam

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Through the official app store Like you're actually being a neck beard right now. That should you need to relax. Holy crap. Like

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My god, it is definitely both. It's okay for it to be both

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Yeah, I'm not being neck bearded by saying that it's both. Well, you're a little

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No, I'm not if something says like hey, you really shouldn't do this and you go. Yes, I will definitely do this

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This is definitely fine, but that is a mistake and that's okay never have come up

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Sure, because it was a bug right. We're admitting it's both sides. So I've said it's a bug from the beginning right relax

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So then the part where I start by saying arguably it was user error

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It's both right. Yeah, so then that's the part where instead of

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riding that Because I've already acknowledged it from the very beginning

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Okay You need to chill

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You know what? No, I'm I'm pretty I'm pretty upset about it. Do you have any idea how much fucking flak?

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I've taken a lot. Yeah, right Because the initial reaction, which is exactly what I'm trying to talk about right now

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The initial reaction was this guy's a complete idiot

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Okay, but I made him a complete idiot what I so yeah, but there's a lot of baggage here. Okay, so there's a lot

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There's a lot of assumptions that are made whenever I do anything to do with Linux

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There should have been no way

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To completely delete your operating system when you are trying to install steam using the official store

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It should have been impossible. So what I'm seeing right now is that you're on the official store and it airs out

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And then you go to a command line. You're a no longer give it a sec

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You're no longer on the official store. Yes. It's gonna take a second. You're no longer on the official store

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You're in a command line. You're telling you to install something should this do the thing that it did absolutely. No, right huge bug

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Recognized by a bunch of people as a huge box. That's it. So what I said was

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And then it says yes, you're about to do something potentially harmful. Yes to continue

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You should type in yes do as I say so potentially harmful off at that point. Why why would I think that the operating system

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Is telling you that you probably shouldn't do the thing that you do it is of course it is

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But it also should never have been possible

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I was just following along. Yeah, I agree right. So they fully acknowledge after the initial bullshit

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That this was a bug in pop o s and that never should have happened

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I should never have been put into that flow. I don't even know if it was specifically just popo apps

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I thought it was a little bit more than that To my knowledge, it was popo s popo s was the one that had to fix it. Sure. So

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And the laptop was nothing I literally did nothing I don't even know if I remember the laptop. It's spontaneously broke. Is that in a video? Yeah, that's on ShortCircuit

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Okay, I think we ended up uploading because again, so yeah, there's a bit of sensitivity here for me

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Okay, because we ended we ended up having to upload an unedited cut of it

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To demonstrate that no I didn't do anything of what sorry the laptop. Okay. I don't even know about this laptop one. Yeah, so

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Blah blah blah. Yes, it was a bug within steam Linux presumes that a terminal user reads stuff and understands it

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It was like a steam bug. I don't think it was just popo s. I thought it was popo s

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Okay, don't from what I've seen in the in the aftermath was people pointed out it was a steam bug and it's something that people are like

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It's uh So that was that was taken pretty seriously as far as my understanding goes once it was

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Yeah, eventually After an initial after an initial i'm not arguing any of that. I'm just saying I'm explaining

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Why it's irritating and I'm trying to explain when you're so calling me a neck beard and shit

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You're you're kind of acting like one for a bit. You should calm down and relax with that

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That's crazy. So all I'm saying is that there's there's absolutely a bug a very major one

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And we're in a computer tells you you might want to question yourself doing this very harmful thing

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I need you to type out a long sentence exactly as phrased in order to be able to do it

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It's not a long sentence. Maybe you should back down. Yes, do as I say

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Yes, do as I say that's a five proper capitalization

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And punctuation into a computer is not a normal thing to do. Sure. But how am I supposed to know that?

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It seems how am I supposed to know that? To question why I have to type this long thing to you. Yes

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But to me it didn't okay. I've had to type in confirmations for all kinds of mundane stuff before

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Okay, and in Linux you have to type all kinds of confirmations for crap

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Dude, have you ever tried to install anything on macOS?

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You have to enter your bloody password or biometrically authenticate like four times

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Yeah, and this wasn't that it's like very different. It's extremely different except that how am I supposed to know that it's different

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Uh, because I'm using a system. I haven't specifically. Yes. Do as I say. So what how is that different?

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Hey, this thing you're doing is very potentially harmful. Yes

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I need you to override this warning and do as I say so is not typing an authentication password

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As a Linux bro, that's obvious. I'm not a Linux bro. Hold on though

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If you were you can't just overwrite everything that I say

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Well, I'm you have to let me talk then. Okay. Go for it. So

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To me let's let's say that I am not a Linux bro and I have no experience with it

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whatsoever Let's say no, that's not true. Let's say I have no experience with it whatsoever

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How am I supposed to know that yes do as I say is some kind of

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godly level above literal what was sci-fi growing up

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Where I scan my finger into something to verify that I actually mean it. I also don't think it's that deep

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If it's what do you mean? It's not that deep if you if there is user I asked a direct question

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How am I supposed to know that that's way above this?

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How should I know that? I mean, I can't be in your brain to me. They're very different typing in a password to authenticate versus saying

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Yes, do as I say do as I say. No, I didn't say typing in a password

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Okay, I don't know I said I'm like I'm scanning my body to verify something. Oh biometric authentication. It's like the same level of thing

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Why How am I average usage of a computer? What are you talking about? When you biometrically authenticate

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It's usually in replacement of a password. They do the same thing. They operate the same way. Sure

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This is not a password. So So what?

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It's authentication versus override. It's they're totally different things

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So let's say for instance, let's say hypothetically that I am not a Linux bro, but this isn't like

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This is like verifying you you are who you are when you show up to a job site versus someone saying like hey, you shouldn't

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Swing this hammer here and you say yeah, I'm going to anyways like they're they're they're they're just complete

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I don't even understand how you're sure but That example comes up all the time

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All the time in Windows where hey, you shouldn't make any changes to the registry

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Lest lest dragons be there And then you have to flip registry bits around all the time in order to do basic stuff like change the animation speed of the start menu

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Yeah, almost no one does that. That's very advanced user things. What do you mean? Almost no one does that?

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Yeah, almost you're gonna say that to that audience That almost no one does a registry at it. You gotta be kidding me your own arguments that you make often

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I know you're heightened right now. Yeah using your own arguments that you make often. Yeah, that's not almost everybody

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That's enthusiast. Okay Okay, so almost everybody doesn't do that

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I'm not This is okay. Like this is like literally to come on

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I don't know what to tell you man. Most people aren't doing reg edits on their computer

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Oh man, it's a little bit user error. It's not that deep you got massively over burned for it. I don't think it's that big of a deal

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You can just kind of reset. I think you got way over burned for it

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I think that the thing that I'm finding very frustrating

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Sure is how obvious this is to you when my whole point is that this is not necessarily obvious

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If I have never used a given system, how am I supposed to know the hierarchy of authentication?

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So you say that the the you know fingerprint authentication is exactly the same as a password

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No, but where I started but where I started was on macOS if you've ever tried to just like download a dmg

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Like multiple times you have to put in your password and and or use touch id multiple times

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So then how am I to know that if passwords are exactly equivalent to to a biometric authentication?

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And then typing in a phrase which is not a long sentence and again It's that kind of hyperbole that really like doesn't help

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Right. It was not a long sentence and it's just kind of a weird thing to say. Why are you?

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Why are you making it like that again? I need you to relax. Yeah, the reason why I'm saying long sentence doing stuff like that

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The reason why I'm saying long sentence chill. So I'm not done yet though

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so how am I supposed to know that the hierarchy is a password is exactly the same as touch id and

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Typing a not long sentence is way up here. So then where would two

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Touch id's be or three. How do I know that that's not here?

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And if all I'm doing is installing some stupid, what did I have to do on macOS?

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I had to install I had to install some stupid thing in order to reverse the direction of my scroll wheel

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But not reverse the direction of my touchpad or something like that So on a system that I've never used before should I have been like, oh my god

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I shouldn't do this because I have to enter my password multiple times to do it

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Because it's gonna prompt me. It's gonna be like, oh my god, this is unsafe think back to uac on Windows

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Oh my god, do you trust this? Oh my god So what I'm trying to say is no

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I don't think it's an unfair thing to see. Okay. Yeah, I just type this thing

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I'm just following a flow that this should never have existed in which is fully acknowledged was an actual bug

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And never should have happened that it could could possibly have a result like that

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If I haven't used this system, I have no context for this hierarchy of authentication. None

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That's the whole point

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Are you done? Yeah, okay. So the long sentence thing. Yes, if I can address that sure

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almost all entries in there when you're responding to something is like y or n yes or no neat, but I don't know that it

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It was a sentence that required perfect capitalization and punctuation to enter neat, but I have no context for that

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I'm gonna finish talking if you can sure I'm gonna take the same affordance that you did

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So it's it's a strange thing. You've done a few entries. I know you are not day one for this

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You've done these types of things before You've done stuff in command line before that was a strange thing

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Long sentence maybe isn't exact perfect verbiage. I don't think you've used exact perfect verbiage for everything in this entire

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Argument either. I don't think that's a strong argument. My point is that it was it is strange

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It is long. It requires perfect punctuation. All that kind of stuff is interesting the touch ID

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biometric password thing versus an override I don't think the construction site analogy that I was using was perfect

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What I'm saying is there's user authentication. This is me. I'm going to input my password

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I'm verifying that this is me that is trying to do this thing. I'm the owner of the account. I am whatever else

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there is that versus A specific warning now you bring up user account control stuff like that

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That is more valid in my opinion that is much more related to what just happened here

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that is a warning that is coming up And you are overriding that warning

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I think the barrier of entry to overriding that warning of clicking. Yes versus typing again in perfect case with perfect punctuation

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Yes, I know what I'm doing or whatever it is is different. You're also acknowledging. Yes

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I know what I'm doing when you didn't in that scenario, which again

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Is probably a flag. You should maybe back out and stop doing the thing that you're doing now again

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I want to put out there Does the fact that you did this matter almost not at all in my opinion

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Who cares? I thought it was like funny if anything

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It could happen to a ton of people. I don't think it's that deep. I don't think it's that big of a deal

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I think people over blew it Said that back then say that now it doesn't matter

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So things don't matter until they matter Unfortunately, and I don't get to decide what matters. You can decide if it matters

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Not really you can decide if it matters to you a hundred percent and I can decide if it matters to me

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I don't think that it matters to me You can decide that it matters to you the audience decided it mattered to them

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Linux people are kind of nuts sometimes Yeah, so there is in my opinion user error involved when you type in

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Yes, do as I say right something that you don't know what you're dealing with

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I don't think it's very important. So then coming I'm not putting it as a huge error on you

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I'm going to try to talk for a little bit. You took that. I'm going to take that

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Um, I'm not putting on you as like a huge deal thing But it is a very minor amount of user error that was fixable by reinstalling

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It was a fresh install not that huge of a deal Um, but the biggest culprit here is that there was a massive bug. Sure. So

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So my issue then how I got started on this and I'll use the t word how I got a little triggered by this

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Is I started with that? Started with what? I started with

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user error Okay So why did we hammer on it?

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I really don't think what I do is hammer. Well, then you can go back and rewatch it. Okay. Completely unnecessary. Oh, I probably will for this definitely. Yeah

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so Yeah, a little frustrated

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Yeah, I think so

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You know what hammer on it is probably not fair definitely not a lot of things in that weren't to be completely honest

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What else? Uh, a lot of what went just to happen is like honestly super ridiculous

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I Well, I'm sorry

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We're good. All right We're good

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I understand Something that I think people that just watched that might not understand is the

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That ain't the first time. No, actually not my point at all. Oh, that's true. But not my point at all. Um,

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is the like

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The weight that a lot of this stuff has

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I don't think you can understand until you've felt

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200,000 comments calling you an idiot

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What that does to your brain? um

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so like Like I said there, I can care I can decide like how much I care about this thing which is effectively not at all

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um And that's going to paint my reaction to this thing which is just like oh, it's just I mean

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It's a fairly meaningless small

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mistake that led to a very large impact of like

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self-delete operating system Um due to a bug that's very annoying

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Uh, but he comes in with the incredible weight of

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what probably like

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I'm guessing at least two months of just getting like dragged and not just dragged by comments but getting dragged by

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Uh, Linux creators making videos of it. Um shorts comments on reddit it popping up in his feed consistently for for weeks and weeks and weeks and months and months and months

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um So like I'm frustrated because I don't want to be called a neck beard for having Linux takes when I'm like barely even a Linux user

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And I I don't I don't think it was all that deep

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but realistically I understand why he was frustrated about those things

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Because there's just so much weight put on you. Um, and I've been in similar situations. There are things

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Where Linus could push a button that lightly and I would

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Get triggered that hard I can't think off top my head about a guarantee that exists

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Anything to do with pizza warmer

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So like I don't know it's fine

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And yeah, sorry. Sorry. I poked it. I didn't quite realize how

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How it's all good sensitive the button was that's my bad. I'm not trying to call you sensitive

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Curo asks why are you guys still talking about it move on?

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Because talking about it is how you move on. It's better to resolve

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This is like I'm you know, it's this is one of those things right where it's like

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When uh, when Yvonne and I fight in front of the kids, which we try to avoid it's probably happened

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Half a dozen times and sorry sorry for fighting in front of you kids. Yeah in in in you know

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Well over 10 years of being parents, right? um

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One of the things that we try to talk to them about after is like look, we're sorry you had to see that but

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If you have to see that then we're really glad that

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You're seeing how we bring it to a conclusion Um, and how we don't leave something

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Unsett I think it's much better that if we're having an issue that we

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We do talk through it. Um, it's not always easy to

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sort of just Let someone else go while you're feeling personally attacked. Um

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It's not always easy to not throw personal attacks when you feel like someone else is whether they intended to or not, right? And so

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Yeah, you know, this is not the kind of thing that we want to talk about in front of you, but kids

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I like to have the kids in this analogy. Sorry, but

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It is the kind of thing where You know, if you guys are going to

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I mean, that's the wanshow, right? Like if you guys are going to feel like you know us at all

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Then you might as well you might as well see it. Luke and I you know play

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Dude bros who basically agree with each other on a podcast

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98% of the time Which is probably pretty accurate

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But one of the ways that we reach consensus on things

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Is by having really uncomfortable sometimes heated

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Very frustrating sometimes hurtful conversations

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It's not an accident It's not a random

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And we've been doing that and it's you know, it's not that common, but we've been doing that for freaking 15 years like

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That was never like even in the middle of that I knew that was never going to really last beyond

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The next 10 minutes or whatever I

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Calling chat kids is very bostonian of you

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Is that a thing? I don't know. I think we were just leaning into chat making the analogy earlier

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I mean, we could have kids as our nickname for chat. Oh, I was just saying you you mentioned the like

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Evonne and I try not to argue in front of the kids. So I was just dragging that analogy to this scenario

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We

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All right

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If we want to high five we don't high five though we do this

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Yeah, very good. Very good. Very good. All right

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Should we roll the wansha? What bloody time is it? Good lord five thirty hit it Dan

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How hard was it for you to stay out of that? I

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Was just along for the ride I suspect very easy actually

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I'd have been tempted to just kind of quip at least a little quip sometimes not quipping is important

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Okay, I'm gonna punch it if you guys are ready. All right, all right, let's do it. Okay resuming this selected now

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You

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What is up everybody and welcome to the wanshow we have a terrific show for you guys today

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The Linux challenge is not going well for me. I managed to run into

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It's hard to even It's hard to even quantify them at this point, but at least five things. I've never seen before

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And I swear I swear on

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What can I swear on tell me something to swear on?

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Uh, the show I swear on the wanshow

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I guess do I put my right hand on it?

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I swear on the wanshow that I didn't do anything weird

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I Swear it. I swear. It's true

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The one the bug you showed me before the show was wild

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I uh, that was fascinating I didn't do anything

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In other news doughnuts Labs claims to have made a solid state battery with the keyword being

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claims Uh, this rabbit hole goes pretty deep solid rabbit hole at the state of it is

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Uncertain and

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Nebulous what else we got this week paramount is set to take over warner bros in a continued series of media consolidation

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Which like should probably concern everyone everybody

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Uh, also burger king is vying for the throne of politeness with ai and all of their employees ears all the time

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Oh, it's more wired up to their mouths, which is

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Weirder. Oh wait, really? I might have misunderstood

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I was thinking when you didn't freak out about that that you probably misunderstood. Yeah, that's a lot worse

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It's just razor be funny if it was it'd be funny if it was also

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Just sponsored by both of them. Okay What's going on? What do you want to do first? Have we have you talked publicly?

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I don't think so about what distro you're going to choose

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I have not because I hadn't decided until elijah and I shot the first episode of Linux challenge 2026

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Okay, and elijah even did not know that I did not know

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Which Linux distra I was going to be using he was like, okay

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We're at the point in the video where the script just says Linus decides on his distro and I was like

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Well, yeah, did you think Did you did you think I was like faking me reading these listicles just now and like talking to the ai about what I should use?

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Oh interesting He's like so so that was that's the thing is to the greatest degree that I can

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My goal is to go into this kind of I'm experiencing something

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Relatively fresh like I've used Linux before but it was years ago and not much and and not that much

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I used it for a little while and then I didn't really use it anymore And so I'm I'm doing what I do where I go in and I go, okay

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How would I do this? So I started with like boomer

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A best Linux distro for gaming and so I got listicles again and to their credit

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I think they were a little better than last time really that's actually

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A little surprising to me. Except they're different at all except except hear me out wait for it

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I followed up by being a non-boomer and typing it into an LLM

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Which might explain why the listicles are better now

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Oh Yeah, and to be clear. I'm not saying I'm not saying that any of the listicles that I read happened to be

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LLM written or or aided

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I'm just saying it's not impossible But maybe and and at this point in this current state of the internet you actually don't

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You can never really know because Even if they got that information by reading somewhere else that other thing might have been assisted

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It's a whole snake eating its tail situation that we've got going on here. So so I started with

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Googling listicles like a boomer and then followed up with asking an AI

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and once again the overwhelming top recommendation was

409
00:41:21,180 --> 00:41:24,300
Come online is give popo s another shot

410
00:41:24,700 --> 00:41:29,100
So I popped over to their website

411
00:41:29,500 --> 00:41:31,900
downloaded the iso and it was off to the

412
00:41:33,500 --> 00:41:35,660
Stumbling not quite racist. Yeah

413
00:41:36,860 --> 00:41:39,980
Exactly off to the right now now in fairness the first issue

414
00:41:39,980 --> 00:41:45,580
I had was that the m.2 SSD that I've had sitting in my tech sack for the better part of two years is dead

415
00:41:46,220 --> 00:41:50,940
Oh can't blame popo s for that. No, no, that's that's on me not putting it in an est bag

416
00:41:51,980 --> 00:41:57,020
um Oh, just raw. Yep. It was just it was in there. It was in there. Um

417
00:41:58,940 --> 00:42:04,620
I got it installed once I figured that out and I used a different SSD then everything was totally fine. No, just kidding

418
00:42:05,100 --> 00:42:10,860
um Everything got pretty messed up. So I've got I've got a few little clips

419
00:42:11,420 --> 00:42:14,220
That I would I would love for loop to see

420
00:42:14,940 --> 00:42:20,860
While we're here on the windshow, um, I actually I cheated a little bit and I showed him one of these earlier

421
00:42:21,660 --> 00:42:26,620
Things were going really great world. I managed to find the store almost immediately

422
00:42:27,100 --> 00:42:29,980
I managed to download steam and discord basically

423
00:42:30,940 --> 00:42:37,180
as If anything more easily than if I was on Windows or if I was on macOS

424
00:42:37,580 --> 00:42:41,340
um like Windows in particular you can use the microsoft store, but like

425
00:42:43,180 --> 00:42:47,260
How is it microsoft that after you force me

426
00:42:48,220 --> 00:42:52,860
To sign in with an account when I When I install Windows

427
00:42:53,020 --> 00:42:56,380
How is it that I then have to sign into that account?

428
00:42:57,020 --> 00:43:02,620
again When I open my browser and I go to my microsoft email

429
00:43:03,100 --> 00:43:07,900
Why do I have to do it again when I want to play minecraft with my kids?

430
00:43:08,540 --> 00:43:13,660
Why do I have to do it again? Why do I have to do it over and over and over again?

431
00:43:13,740 --> 00:43:17,580
I think playing minecraft takes three if I remember correctly because the website

432
00:43:18,220 --> 00:43:24,780
And then the like launcher, but then you also have to do the like the xbox store microsoft store or whatever. Yeah, it's crazy

433
00:43:25,260 --> 00:43:30,780
wild like Like system system wide like user accounts have been a thing

434
00:43:32,700 --> 00:43:35,900
For how long how long has it been since

435
00:43:36,780 --> 00:43:43,180
Since you just have signed in to your google account one. Yeah, like very long time very very long time very long time

436
00:43:44,300 --> 00:43:48,380
um So so that was really easy That was awesome

437
00:43:48,380 --> 00:43:53,580
And then I like downloaded a game and it like came down pretty fast and and then and then

438
00:43:54,140 --> 00:44:00,540
And then things started to get a little weird and I ended up having I ended up actually bailing

439
00:44:01,020 --> 00:44:05,740
On Linux on the first night because I had seven people waiting in a lobby for me

440
00:44:06,380 --> 00:44:12,300
To play left for dead 2 on top of all the people who wanted to spectate the game who were watching on discord

441
00:44:12,300 --> 00:44:17,740
Which is like another 10 something like that how many people were spectating probably around there that sounds about right

442
00:44:17,900 --> 00:44:23,900
so I had all these people waiting for me and This is what would happen when I would try to play the game

443
00:44:24,060 --> 00:44:27,020
And it is wild to start this challenge at a land

444
00:44:27,340 --> 00:44:29,900
But if it was Windows that he jumped in with

445
00:44:30,540 --> 00:44:34,700
This this would have worked off rip. Yeah, well, yeah, so we have to be like

446
00:44:35,420 --> 00:44:39,020
You know fair about that. It's wild to start it at a land, but also

447
00:44:39,580 --> 00:44:44,780
I I tried to throw a softball. I've seen I've seen I've seen a few Windows installs at lands

448
00:44:45,580 --> 00:44:51,660
It's it's definitely happened Um, I tried to oh do I actually have a clip of left for dead 2 crashing

449
00:44:51,820 --> 00:44:56,780
So I tried to throw a softball by by choosing a game that I assumed

450
00:44:57,180 --> 00:45:02,300
And this is not a crazy assumption that I assumed would be well supported on Linux

451
00:45:02,620 --> 00:45:05,340
Honestly, I think that's not only a crazy assumption

452
00:45:06,300 --> 00:45:11,180
I thought that by playing this game we were actually giving it an advantage

453
00:45:11,660 --> 00:45:17,020
I thought I was basically hacking for steam to choose a first party valve game

454
00:45:17,420 --> 00:45:21,980
As my because because the wind condition for the first episode of Linux challenge is always

455
00:45:22,700 --> 00:45:26,380
Play a game, right? Would you like to play a game?

456
00:45:26,380 --> 00:45:31,820
I honestly forgot that but I'm happy that I I did launch a game technically in the videos that I recorded

457
00:45:32,060 --> 00:45:36,620
Since then I have launched more games So it's fine, but yeah, I did I did launch a game

458
00:45:36,700 --> 00:45:44,780
So I ran into a situation where it totally worked in lobby, but then within about 30 seconds of being in the game it would just

459
00:45:46,460 --> 00:45:53,020
Like a hard break. Yeah, like a hard hard lock up or or just hard hard crash the game

460
00:45:53,580 --> 00:45:57,500
And I didn't throw an error or anything. I don't I don't I'm not the first time. Yeah, okay

461
00:45:57,900 --> 00:46:04,140
Um, and then the second I can't remember right There's a lot of footage in here because I was expecting this to just be like a quick thing

462
00:46:04,140 --> 00:46:07,980
Like I quickly install and then I'm and then I'm playing left for dead too

463
00:46:08,060 --> 00:46:11,420
I just I didn't think it'd be that big of a deal and and for reference just before you keep going

464
00:46:11,660 --> 00:46:17,340
Someone said that apparently I did a Windows install at ltx 2023. That doesn't surprise me. I don't remember that but it doesn't surprise me either

465
00:46:17,660 --> 00:46:22,540
Um frosty kuyger said some guy said he bought a fresh laptop for whale land on the way there

466
00:46:22,780 --> 00:46:27,100
So that like this is people have fresh Windows at lands. It happens for sure

467
00:46:28,060 --> 00:46:31,500
All right, here's me playing through around once I fixed it

468
00:46:32,140 --> 00:46:36,540
Okay, hold on. I think I've got I think I've got the uh, I think I've got the error. So yeah, this is wild

469
00:46:36,940 --> 00:46:40,620
Here we go. I I I actually get into a game here

470
00:46:41,900 --> 00:46:46,460
I move around my mouse a little bit everything's running. It's running at like 300 frames per second

471
00:46:47,340 --> 00:46:54,700
and I'm Give it like another give it like another probably 10 to 15 seconds

472
00:46:55,100 --> 00:46:59,660
I think I get to the bottom of the stairwell on the first map of the um

473
00:47:00,940 --> 00:47:06,620
Which one which one is this again? What's the finale the mall dead center? Sure. Yeah, I don't know any map names

474
00:47:07,740 --> 00:47:13,900
and Booth gone hard just disappears hard cut to hard cut to desktop application gone

475
00:47:14,140 --> 00:47:17,340
And what's really frustrating is if you go on proton db

476
00:47:17,980 --> 00:47:25,580
You find all these people it says native It says native and the first when I looked at it like the first two or three were like

477
00:47:26,380 --> 00:47:32,460
Perfect, and I even scrolled down and the first one on popos was like perfect. Excellent. Perfect

478
00:47:33,260 --> 00:47:37,340
Now when you start reading more of them you go. Oh, well, hold on a second

479
00:47:37,420 --> 00:47:42,380
People have all kinds of problems with this here. There was a really funny one. Can you go down a little bit?

480
00:47:42,940 --> 00:47:45,900
Go down go down go down go down. There's one that says

481
00:47:46,700 --> 00:47:54,060
Hold on. Is this it? Oh, here it is steps works perfectly out of the box tinker steps switch to experimental so oh no

482
00:47:54,060 --> 00:47:59,180
This wasn't it. There's one that said no tinker steps and then also said tinker steps. Oh, yeah. No. No. This is the one

483
00:47:59,340 --> 00:48:04,220
Yeah, this is it. So literally what this person says is works perfectly out of the box

484
00:48:05,100 --> 00:48:11,980
Right, and then the body here is tinker steps switch to experimental set this launch option

485
00:48:12,620 --> 00:48:20,380
Then then they say the game ran perfectly for me without any major issues. No tinkering done whatsoever

486
00:48:23,420 --> 00:48:27,580
This Is where I end up

487
00:48:27,580 --> 00:48:30,460
feeling like I'm put in a really uncomfortable position

488
00:48:31,660 --> 00:48:36,700
because When you are engaging with this level of delusion

489
00:48:37,420 --> 00:48:42,540
I feel like I feel like I'm I feel like I'm made to be the bad guy here

490
00:48:43,100 --> 00:48:47,100
Like you've got this you've got this stance that's so far out of reality

491
00:48:47,820 --> 00:48:52,860
That you feel like a bad guy. You almost feel like it's I almost feel like I'm being gaslit

492
00:48:53,420 --> 00:49:02,060
like I feel like the like Like I'm the one who's who's a complete idiot because you know, it didn't work perfectly for me

493
00:49:02,060 --> 00:49:05,740
And I didn't know that putting it in experimental mode and having a launch argument

494
00:49:06,380 --> 00:49:09,900
Was no tinkering. Yeah, I don't know like where their line is

495
00:49:09,980 --> 00:49:14,540
But in in my opinion if you want to if you want a year of the Linux desktop

496
00:49:14,620 --> 00:49:19,980
You know, like if you want if you want to go that hard and you want to call it a native game

497
00:49:22,300 --> 00:49:24,620
You should be able to click play and steam it should just work

498
00:49:25,660 --> 00:49:31,180
Because that's the experience that people are going to have on Windows, right? Well, that's I mean except when they don't and that's really

499
00:49:31,660 --> 00:49:36,940
Really important to acknowledge in all this because I'll come in and I'll I'll say something critical about

500
00:49:37,580 --> 00:49:41,660
Linux or people will feel like I'm saying something critical about Linux because I'll say something like

501
00:49:42,140 --> 00:49:45,340
I launched Left 4 Dead 2 and within about 30 to 60 seconds

502
00:49:45,340 --> 00:49:49,180
It would crash every single time I launched it and they'll be like that's a personal attack

503
00:49:49,420 --> 00:49:53,260
It's like that's a personal attack on them. They're like, well, what about all the issues on Windows?

504
00:49:53,260 --> 00:49:56,060
I'm like, whoa, bro. We're not talking about Windows. Yeah. Yeah fair. Yeah

505
00:49:56,700 --> 00:50:03,020
Nobody brought up Windows and I'm happy to criticize Windows You want to watch me criticize Windows? Do you want to do a Windows criticism land show?

506
00:50:03,580 --> 00:50:08,460
I'm sure you're down. Yeah. He's look how down he is. Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna chime into this one

507
00:50:08,700 --> 00:50:12,940
We got to include teams. Look how happy he is right now. We gotta include teams

508
00:50:13,180 --> 00:50:15,740
But sometimes that's not what we're talking about Microsoft

509
00:50:16,540 --> 00:50:19,340
Like I man was it on the I camera. Yeah, it was on the forum

510
00:50:19,580 --> 00:50:25,660
It was on LTT forum that uh, elijah did that video recently where he switched to iphone and someone's like

511
00:50:26,060 --> 00:50:30,220
Well, you're talking a lot about the issues switching from Android to iOS

512
00:50:30,220 --> 00:50:35,420
But you're not talking about all the issues going from iOS to Android. It's it's so bad

513
00:50:35,980 --> 00:50:40,940
Like you're right. We're not talking about that. Let's know what's happening because guess what elijah didn't switch from an iphone to Android

514
00:50:40,940 --> 00:50:45,020
That's not what that's not what he's fucking doing. Not every video can be about everything

515
00:50:45,260 --> 00:50:50,700
So this isn't about this isn't about attacks, but it's about me being put in this position

516
00:50:50,940 --> 00:50:55,340
Where I feel like I have to I have to like

517
00:50:55,900 --> 00:51:05,020
Yvonne always uses like a pendulum analogy When we're talking about like like positions in an argument or we're talking about some kind of conflict where

518
00:51:05,980 --> 00:51:08,540
Where she'll talk about how sometimes she feels like

519
00:51:09,020 --> 00:51:11,820
Because someone else's position is so extreme

520
00:51:12,460 --> 00:51:15,500
Even though the truth lies here with the pendulum at rest

521
00:51:16,220 --> 00:51:18,940
She almost is forced to take this position

522
00:51:19,660 --> 00:51:23,820
To try to achieve that to bring us back to very common in politics. Yeah, yeah

523
00:51:24,540 --> 00:51:29,740
And so when I'm up against this is perfect and you're crazy for not recognizing it

524
00:51:30,060 --> 00:51:35,180
It's like, whoa, it can have some flaws Windows has a lot of flaws. Oh, yeah, it's okay

525
00:51:35,420 --> 00:51:38,220
Oh, so many so something that I find interesting about this is

526
00:51:39,020 --> 00:51:45,340
Steam deck Is used by a lot of normies. Yeah, and this is steam deck verified

527
00:51:46,060 --> 00:51:53,100
Would you need to make like is it different? Would you need to make changes on steam deck or would have it had would it have had the same problem?

528
00:51:53,180 --> 00:51:59,100
That's a good question And genuinely don't know and if valve is implementing. So do you know what the fix was?

529
00:52:00,220 --> 00:52:04,460
So the fix ended up being that I had to force vulcan

530
00:52:05,820 --> 00:52:09,340
Which is a pretty reasonable Linux gaming fix

531
00:52:10,140 --> 00:52:14,540
Except that and this is again one of those like how is this a thing, right?

532
00:52:14,620 --> 00:52:18,620
This is a first party valve game. They literally make a Linux distro

533
00:52:19,500 --> 00:52:22,700
Is not even available in the in-game menu

534
00:52:23,820 --> 00:52:26,620
You have to use a launch argument for it. Yeah

535
00:52:27,900 --> 00:52:32,140
So I so I typed in a thing I switched over to vulcan and then lo and behold

536
00:52:32,220 --> 00:52:34,540
I've got a clip here of me gaming for

537
00:52:35,260 --> 00:52:39,900
I think over yeah over five continuous minutes and it just completely working

538
00:52:41,020 --> 00:52:45,020
Bang bang bang kill all the zombies running at 300 FPS. Yeah

539
00:52:45,900 --> 00:52:53,180
um But that's not what buddy said buddy said no tinkering and also his fix was different from mine

540
00:52:55,500 --> 00:52:59,500
Someone at Floatplane chat said Yes, steam deck is very beginner friendly

541
00:52:59,580 --> 00:53:06,540
But Linux keeps picking non beginner friendly distros as far as my understanding goes popo s is widely known as a fairly beginner friendly distro

542
00:53:06,620 --> 00:53:13,420
That's literally why people keep recommending it. It's also friendly for people who are on NVIDIA graphics

543
00:53:14,220 --> 00:53:16,780
Which and I had someone ask this in the chat just now

544
00:53:17,500 --> 00:53:24,060
Which I wasn't But what I wanted was to use the same distro across my multiple systems

545
00:53:24,860 --> 00:53:27,660
Okay, my main desktop at home is radion

546
00:53:28,380 --> 00:53:32,860
My laptop which is what you had the land my daily driver is radion. Yeah, uh, sorry

547
00:53:32,940 --> 00:53:36,380
I had my main desktop not the laptop I kind of gestured over here and you kind of pointed this direction

548
00:53:36,380 --> 00:53:39,580
It kind of seemed like it was I had my desktop at the land. I also had this

549
00:53:40,300 --> 00:53:46,780
So my my main desktop and my laptop are both radion But my my downstairs gaming machine is g-force

550
00:53:47,260 --> 00:53:51,420
And so is the one in the theater room, which is where I've actually been doing more of my gaming

551
00:53:51,740 --> 00:53:56,220
And so what I really wanted and that's one of the special sauce things with popo s is that it's

552
00:53:56,780 --> 00:53:59,740
Out of the box g-force ready. Yeah, and so

553
00:54:01,260 --> 00:54:07,740
So Yes, I I I I I did pick a distro because I wanted it to be more like

554
00:54:08,300 --> 00:54:13,020
Non-Linux hardware optimized friendly, but that wasn't what I was using

555
00:54:13,100 --> 00:54:19,740
I was using the radion build and I I installed it onto a Ryzen radion all AMD all the time system

556
00:54:19,740 --> 00:54:24,620
So there should have been no real challenge there But the challenge is just

557
00:54:25,260 --> 00:54:30,620
Kept on coming I showed Luke another clip earlier, so I don't have to show it to him now

558
00:54:31,020 --> 00:54:34,460
We're in hell divers too. Oh, so that's the second game that I tried to play

559
00:54:35,180 --> 00:54:37,740
He sees the character moving around on screen. It's running at

560
00:54:38,220 --> 00:54:43,100
I don't know I didn't I didn't install Windows on a separate partition and then benchmarked them back and forth so pretty solid though

561
00:54:43,100 --> 00:54:45,180
Yeah, it was smooth. Yeah, it was smooth. It felt good

562
00:54:46,380 --> 00:54:50,620
And then and then I scrolled down and you can see my mouse hand going like this

563
00:54:51,580 --> 00:54:54,860
And I go back up and you can see that the mouse look is not working at all

564
00:54:55,660 --> 00:55:00,860
What I never showed Luke is some of the troubleshooting steps that I went through to try to resolve that

565
00:55:01,420 --> 00:55:04,620
so I tried rebinding mouse look and

566
00:55:05,500 --> 00:55:09,740
If I bound look up to instead of mouse movement to like left click

567
00:55:10,300 --> 00:55:14,300
I could totally look up Okay, so it was capturing the mouse

568
00:55:14,380 --> 00:55:19,820
So it was perfectly capable of getting something from my mouse. My mouse was definitely working

569
00:55:20,060 --> 00:55:22,940
Yeah, it was perfectly capable of tilting the camera up

570
00:55:24,060 --> 00:55:27,740
But the actual mouse movement was not being registered

571
00:55:28,460 --> 00:55:34,140
My controller worked perfectly though. So this was for gaming with the vip's with the whales

572
00:55:35,180 --> 00:55:40,700
And so I was like Well, I guess I'm gaming on a controller. I can do that at least. Yeah. All right, man

573
00:55:40,700 --> 00:55:47,580
I hate shooters on a controller, but yeah, it is what it is Also, did I did I point out to you the weird border on the top and the left? Did you see that?

574
00:55:48,460 --> 00:55:54,940
Oh The weird like two pixel wide white border. Yeah. Yeah, I I never figured that one out. That's just top and left

575
00:55:54,940 --> 00:56:03,580
Yeah, just top and left strange The most fun one though is the one that I'm going to show to you guys and that's this issue where my uh, here

576
00:56:03,580 --> 00:56:05,580
Maybe I'll maybe I'll send this over to oh

577
00:56:07,100 --> 00:56:10,700
Uh producer Dan is gone. So we're going to do this the super janky way

578
00:56:11,340 --> 00:56:13,340
Okay, nice

579
00:56:14,780 --> 00:56:17,900
Do you want me to switch cameras? Oh, no, you're just gonna do the front one. Okay

580
00:56:27,020 --> 00:56:32,780
It's it's pretty wild I still don't I don't know how you would even make this happen because

581
00:56:33,340 --> 00:56:37,820
It's not only that there's three Windows open, which I don't even know. Maybe you can do that in steam. Maybe you can't

582
00:56:38,620 --> 00:56:44,380
But it's also that they're all Do they're all doing the inputs, but they're not showing the menus

583
00:56:44,700 --> 00:56:49,180
So like only the one that he's actively selected on shows the menu, but when he scrolls, they all scroll

584
00:56:49,900 --> 00:56:56,140
It's so strange. Did you see that though? Yeah, so this part, you know, they're not going to be able to hear you but um

585
00:56:56,780 --> 00:56:58,780
As he moves his mouse over to the other window

586
00:56:59,820 --> 00:57:03,020
It's still navigating in the previous one. It's a little hard to see

587
00:57:03,820 --> 00:57:08,780
but like man, it's it's It's it's strange

588
00:57:09,020 --> 00:57:14,060
It's uh, it's very weird. We can still hear him. Oh my bad. Sorry. I didn't think you'd be able to yell out enough

589
00:57:14,060 --> 00:57:16,860
They kind of can I guess Dan's mic is there too. Um

590
00:57:17,820 --> 00:57:21,900
So I've never seen that before that was weird never seen that before either

591
00:57:22,300 --> 00:57:26,380
And like, you know, you can you can in a lot of different things you can make multiple versions of it come up

592
00:57:26,780 --> 00:57:31,580
Um, but usually they don't all mirror the inputs and stuff steam. It shouldn't be

593
00:57:32,540 --> 00:57:38,220
Yeah, I've never can you open multiple instances? I've never wanted to I've never tried never looked into it

594
00:57:39,100 --> 00:57:41,820
Uh, but like you can with no, okay

595
00:57:42,220 --> 00:57:51,180
You can with a decent amount of other things And so I'm gonna have a lot of people as often happens whenever I say anything critical of Linux

596
00:57:51,660 --> 00:57:55,980
I'm gonna have a lot of people coming at me for this assuming that I did something

597
00:57:56,700 --> 00:58:02,860
Something egregiously wrong. So and I'm not I'm not saying anything. What led up to go ahead. Do it

598
00:58:03,500 --> 00:58:05,660
Do it pre-show viewers will get it

599
00:58:06,620 --> 00:58:11,580
Do it. Do it. Do you count it? What led up to that? I'm like shia. I'm gonna run away from the press. I mean

600
00:58:13,660 --> 00:58:18,780
Just just what what I know. I'm not saying anything. What steps led up to that like nothing

601
00:58:18,940 --> 00:58:22,700
So you just launched the computer and it was just there or did you come out of a game or like, uh

602
00:58:23,500 --> 00:58:29,900
Oh, it's hard to say So what would I have been doing at this point? I was playing hell divers

603
00:58:30,940 --> 00:58:35,580
So I would have been so you're in the game and then you I assume you close the game and then it's doing

604
00:58:35,660 --> 00:58:39,340
Yeah, and then I I oh shoot. Okay. Don't quote me on this

605
00:58:39,340 --> 00:58:44,540
But I think it was when I like re maximize it or something like that. I'd like get to somehow

606
00:58:45,420 --> 00:58:49,980
I really don't remember maximize the steam window. Yeah, because like if you minimize it, um

607
00:58:50,700 --> 00:58:57,420
It goes you're saying you can have multiple Windows of steam open But I'm not too surprised also wasn't multiple Windows. No and and to do that

608
00:58:57,580 --> 00:59:02,380
I'm assuming you'd have to like launch launch argument the like executable or whatever

609
00:59:02,540 --> 00:59:07,500
I'd probably have to do something. Yeah, because steam does not behave like that normally

610
00:59:07,580 --> 00:59:12,380
I've never I don't know steams on here, but I've never literally never had multiple Windows of steam open

611
00:59:12,540 --> 00:59:16,300
I don't know. This is one of those dude. This is one of those things where it's just like

612
00:59:17,420 --> 00:59:19,420
um

613
00:59:20,940 --> 00:59:27,180
Don't blame don't blame blanket Linux blame pop o s or yourself and it's like

614
00:59:28,860 --> 00:59:34,060
Unfortunately, this is one of the challenges that Linux has with wide adoption

615
00:59:34,540 --> 00:59:38,940
Is that and and oh man It's it's both the most beautiful

616
00:59:39,580 --> 00:59:47,340
Incredible thing about open source and it's also the biggest problem that it has to overcome is that you can find

617
00:59:47,740 --> 00:59:50,700
You can find a flavor for for anything

618
00:59:51,020 --> 00:59:55,900
Like was it you that I was talking to when I said something like you could have a you could have a distro of Linux

619
00:59:55,980 --> 00:59:57,180
That's for like

620
01:00:01,020 --> 01:00:04,620
I think I was talking to someone else and they were like really and I was like

621
01:00:05,180 --> 01:00:09,020
I was like no and they're like, oh, yeah, that makes sense. That would be stupid

622
01:00:09,100 --> 01:00:14,540
But like the fact that I believed you I think that might have been me actually. Yeah, maybe that was you is is so

623
01:00:15,420 --> 01:00:21,980
So emblematic of the problem there's so much fragmentation and like one of the one of the things is you can say

624
01:00:24,700 --> 01:00:28,780
People know it as Linux Even that in itself is flawed

625
01:00:29,500 --> 01:00:37,180
Yeah, very so like so like even even that statement alone has problems. It has huge problems Linux is Linux is the kernel

626
01:00:37,420 --> 01:00:46,540
Yeah, right So so to assume that people are gonna always pop prop exactly properly address the thing that might be causing the issue is like

627
01:00:47,580 --> 01:00:55,340
Obviously a fallacy that that is not going to happen So people are going to just blanket call it Linux because they've been blanket calling the whole thing Linux for a long time

628
01:00:56,220 --> 01:01:01,820
Um Grelwing says dmo s is not intended to be a wide release. It's an os for boutique hardware

629
01:01:02,700 --> 01:01:11,340
Not actually true Val well at least not originally true when valve announced steam os and the steam deck

630
01:01:11,740 --> 01:01:15,100
They announced their intention at some point to make steam os

631
01:01:15,660 --> 01:01:19,900
An os that you could you could download and install on your own hardware. In fact, you can do it today

632
01:01:20,380 --> 01:01:24,940
It just has to be on kind of specific hardware Which is the reason that I ultimately didn't use it

633
01:01:25,340 --> 01:01:29,740
Because I do have systems that are NVIDIA and you wanted the same thing across all of them

634
01:01:29,820 --> 01:01:35,180
And I I wanted to choose something that somebody with NVIDIA hardware might choose for

635
01:01:35,820 --> 01:01:39,740
Ease of use especially because my plan is to install it across multiple systems

636
01:01:39,740 --> 01:01:43,900
Which I haven't actually done yet because it's been such a pain in the

637
01:01:44,940 --> 01:01:46,940
But um

638
01:01:49,580 --> 01:01:52,780
Yeah, so let's see what else I don't actually know if there's

639
01:01:53,660 --> 01:01:59,900
Anything else in here? Here's the here's the weird steam interface bug, but just two Windows this time

640
01:02:00,140 --> 01:02:04,300
This was the first time I encountered it. So I actually encountered this multiple times

641
01:02:05,340 --> 01:02:07,980
Which is pretty wild. I can interact with both of them

642
01:02:08,540 --> 01:02:12,860
But if I mouse over one of them it like is interacting with the other one

643
01:02:12,860 --> 01:02:17,260
Yeah, because like if if it was just properly two instances of steam that shouldn't be happening

644
01:02:17,260 --> 01:02:21,340
So what what he's showing is two completely different Windows in two completely different areas

645
01:02:21,660 --> 01:02:25,660
He moves his mouse on one moving my mouse here it interacts with the other one. Yeah

646
01:02:28,780 --> 01:02:34,620
So my mouse cursor's over here and then you can see the menus on the window on the right actually moving

647
01:02:35,900 --> 01:02:40,780
And in this one it was more bugged because the whole interface is just gone. It's just a black box

648
01:02:42,380 --> 01:02:45,340
Yeah, that is weird. You can kind of see it like faintly in the background

649
01:02:45,980 --> 01:02:51,900
Someone said did luka with mint? No Um, I decided to mix it up. I I still really like mint

650
01:02:52,380 --> 01:02:57,180
I actually genuinely thought like, you know, maybe I should go back to like all faithful

651
01:02:57,420 --> 01:03:00,460
I don't really actually use Linux all that much, but

652
01:03:02,060 --> 01:03:05,340
That tends to be the one that I go to when I when I do use Linux

653
01:03:05,820 --> 01:03:10,860
But I had been running this it's not currently sold on my laptop because we're trying to figure out a hardware problem

654
01:03:10,940 --> 01:03:15,020
And they they didn't believe in Linux. So we have Windows running on it right now, but

655
01:03:15,260 --> 01:03:22,060
Um, I had been running just arch on my laptop for a long time to try to prove like look if you're not doing much

656
01:03:22,380 --> 01:03:29,580
On your system You can kind of run whatever and my entire use case for my work laptop is basically in a browser

657
01:03:29,660 --> 01:03:34,220
So I was like, it's not going to matter and Yeah, it didn't really matter. Um

658
01:03:34,380 --> 01:03:39,980
So it and and my my basically point there was like I'm not interacting with the operating system basically ever

659
01:03:40,060 --> 01:03:43,260
Like I don't I didn't do anything very interesting with arch

660
01:03:43,820 --> 01:03:49,580
Um, I was I'm just running two browsers firefox and chrome. That's it on arch by the way

661
01:03:49,820 --> 01:03:53,100
so like So that was that was why I did that on my laptop

662
01:03:53,340 --> 01:04:00,780
So I thought maybe I would try to extend that idea into the desktop space, but I didn't want to just use arch again

663
01:04:01,260 --> 01:04:07,260
Um, so I went with cashy os and that's not the only reason so cashy os is built on built on arch

664
01:04:07,580 --> 01:04:11,500
But that's not the only reason the other reason why I did it was because steam os

665
01:04:12,380 --> 01:04:15,500
Is built on arch. Yep So I was like, okay

666
01:04:15,500 --> 01:04:20,620
What's a what's a like gamer version of arch because I'm gonna want this on my desktop

667
01:04:20,620 --> 01:04:23,900
I'm gonna play games here. I'm gonna do other stuff here. I don't want to just

668
01:04:24,540 --> 01:04:27,740
Run arch like I did on my laptop because I'm actually gonna do more with it

669
01:04:27,740 --> 01:04:33,020
The point isn't the same now right the point with the laptop was it doesn't really matter if all you're doing is a browser

670
01:04:33,100 --> 01:04:39,500
And that's the beauty of Linux horses for courses. You can choose a different distro depending on what exactly it is that you're trying to accomplish

671
01:04:39,580 --> 01:04:43,180
So now I'm trying to accomplish more. I'm trying to do more gaming stuff cash us

672
01:04:43,900 --> 01:04:50,140
Their tagline is a performance focused arch Linux distribution that rebuilds packages with modern CPU optimizations

673
01:04:50,940 --> 01:04:54,460
I don't know. I heard it's good for gaming and it's arch and

674
01:04:55,260 --> 01:05:02,620
By the way, I did that on my laptop And uh and steam os is built in it. So I was like hoping, you know, maybe some kind

675
01:05:02,780 --> 01:05:05,900
I don't know. Maybe things will work better through steam there. I have no idea

676
01:05:06,140 --> 01:05:10,780
I didn't do a lot of research like this is the more gamery version of the thing. I've been using lately

677
01:05:10,780 --> 01:05:14,860
I'll just do that super trendy. It is very trendy right now. Yeah, like it

678
01:05:15,900 --> 01:05:22,300
Maybe yeah, maybe a third reason It's super trendy right now. Yeah is actually one of the reasons why I chose it. So so

679
01:05:23,340 --> 01:05:26,380
Same core as steam os it's super trendy right now

680
01:05:26,620 --> 01:05:30,780
And it's based on the thing that i'm using on my on my laptop anyways, so there's some familiarity

681
01:05:30,940 --> 01:05:37,180
So i'm gonna jump in and go the hyper trendiness of it is actually the one of the reasons I didn't choose it

682
01:05:37,500 --> 01:05:41,340
Fair enough because this kind of like flavor of the week

683
01:05:41,900 --> 01:05:45,580
Oh, yeah, it's weird people have mostly forgotten about bazzite already

684
01:05:46,460 --> 01:05:50,060
That's crazy That's wild to me

685
01:05:50,060 --> 01:05:56,380
That's not the kind of thing that I like to lock myself into like whenever we whenever we do any kind of

686
01:05:56,940 --> 01:06:01,420
Actual benchmarking or performance testing anytime anyone talks to me. I'm like ubuntu

687
01:06:02,540 --> 01:06:08,540
Because It's just it's just there, you know, it might not have the sex appeal

688
01:06:09,500 --> 01:06:14,380
But it's there. It's been there. It's been there for us. It's it's it's it's the it's the

689
01:06:15,100 --> 01:06:17,660
If you want to look at if you want to zoom way out

690
01:06:18,380 --> 01:06:23,580
Over time, it's the consumer Linux distro. It's been there for everybody. Everybody knows but

691
01:06:23,740 --> 01:06:27,740
A bunch of people are saying like oh bazzite still cool. We're not trying to say bazzite isn't cool

692
01:06:27,980 --> 01:06:31,580
What we're trying to say was to be personally attacked here roughly six months ago

693
01:06:31,820 --> 01:06:35,420
If you discussed Linux at all and didn't say bazzite every second word

694
01:06:36,460 --> 01:06:40,220
You would get screamed at and that is already no longer true

695
01:06:40,700 --> 01:06:43,260
And now a lot of people are saying kashi kashi kashi

696
01:06:43,820 --> 01:06:49,660
That's not that's definitely the third out of the reasons that I had but I did I was interested in checking it out

697
01:06:50,540 --> 01:06:55,500
And I will say for the more involved experience because again, I didn't get this on my laptop

698
01:06:56,060 --> 01:07:04,220
There are things I miss about mint Kashi's cool. It's been fine. I haven't really had any problems. Nice. Good for you. Happy for you

699
01:07:04,940 --> 01:07:08,460
I there are things that I'm still planning on doing that. I suspect might cause some problems

700
01:07:08,460 --> 01:07:13,420
So we'll see how that goes, but I'm only I started after you. I'm only a few days into this right

701
01:07:13,580 --> 01:07:18,940
I am pretty fresh and I haven't done a ton on it. So we'll see how it goes didn't take me doing a ton

702
01:07:19,900 --> 01:07:24,060
All I had to do was launch a first party valve game in steam

703
01:07:26,060 --> 01:07:29,180
Oh, yeah, I didn't even talk about those audio issues. I had in discord

704
01:07:30,380 --> 01:07:36,460
Oh, yeah, everyone's audio was so quiet. I could barely hear them. Did you ever fix that reboot? Just sort of magically

705
01:07:37,420 --> 01:07:40,860
I did have some weird. There's a there's one of the recordings that I sent in. Yeah

706
01:07:41,580 --> 01:07:45,500
After I played it back. I didn't know this while I was recording it, but after I played it back

707
01:07:45,740 --> 01:07:51,340
It's like a little laggy That was happening in when I was like watching videos and a couple other things as well

708
01:07:52,540 --> 01:07:56,860
I noticed it when I was watching a youtube video that the youtube video would hitch every once in a blue moon

709
01:07:57,420 --> 01:08:01,900
I hadn't restarted the system literally once yet. I wonder if it's like a hardware acceleration issue or something

710
01:08:02,060 --> 01:08:08,140
No idea restarted the system one time problem in a way and I had done that recording before the system restart

711
01:08:08,460 --> 01:08:13,580
So I you know one restart after doing some updates and stuff. Sure not a big deal

712
01:08:13,660 --> 01:08:22,540
Yeah, but that's that's the only thing I've really ran into so far But like I don't love the like package manager. You mentioned how like oh, I found the pop away a store pretty quick

713
01:08:22,620 --> 01:08:27,100
Yeah, it was just the bottom left icon. It was like right there. The name was like

714
01:08:29,180 --> 01:08:33,100
It's like they were trying to not call it app store. They were they were so

715
01:08:33,820 --> 01:08:36,060
Desperately trying to call it anything but app store

716
01:08:36,940 --> 01:08:41,660
So that they wouldn't have to call it app store that they ended up with a name that just I forget what it is

717
01:08:41,660 --> 01:08:43,660
But it just like was not that obvious to me

718
01:08:44,700 --> 01:08:50,460
Uh, but yeah, it's so like I'm probably gonna go get an alternative store at some point because like I don't love the default one

719
01:08:50,700 --> 01:08:56,780
It works Um, there's been a decent amount of things I've I've looked for that weren't there. No, it's called pop. Hold on. Hold on

720
01:08:57,020 --> 01:09:02,140
Jumping it's called pop shop, which is a perfectly reasonable name. Okay. When I when I mouse over it

721
01:09:02,140 --> 01:09:05,340
It seems pretty it was called something it was called. I swear it was called something else

722
01:09:05,340 --> 01:09:08,860
It was not called pop shop. I have no idea charge. Simply. I says it's not an app store

723
01:09:09,740 --> 01:09:13,900
I know but sometimes we use words for things like atm machine

724
01:09:14,700 --> 01:09:17,900
It's not an atm machine because the machine is the m and the b

725
01:09:18,060 --> 01:09:23,740
Yeah, but like sometimes we just say things so that people understand what they are and what their function is and by the way

726
01:09:23,740 --> 01:09:27,900
There's a bunch of people spamming me right now use this thing use that thing. I'm sorry. I'm not gonna listen

727
01:09:28,220 --> 01:09:31,500
Uh, I'm I'm just gonna do stuff and we'll see how it works

728
01:09:31,820 --> 01:09:37,660
Um, if I run into a problem, I'll google it. I'll I'll look it up in some other way. I'll I'll consult the sands

729
01:09:37,740 --> 01:09:43,420
I'll do whatever But I don't want to go based on like chat recommendations because that doesn't seem like a normal

730
01:09:43,900 --> 01:09:48,540
Um experience that someone would have so I'm I'm literally just gonna brain dump everything you guys tell me

731
01:09:48,940 --> 01:09:52,540
Um now like yeah, if I read something on a form or whatever I'll take information from there

732
01:09:52,540 --> 01:09:58,140
But I don't want to use it on alternate route. I'm also not having problems really. I just don't love it

733
01:09:59,660 --> 01:10:05,820
It doesn't seem great like the package manager, but I can get a new one. Uh, not a problem. I'm not too worried about it

734
01:10:06,380 --> 01:10:13,820
Um Yeah other than that like no major no major issues. I felt mint was very comfy for me

735
01:10:15,340 --> 01:10:18,780
And I am now I would say

736
01:10:19,660 --> 01:10:26,060
Slightly outside of the comfort zone desktop environment that I really didn't stretch for I just went with cinnamon

737
01:10:26,140 --> 01:10:30,380
Which is the one that I'm most used to Um, I did also install

738
01:10:31,100 --> 01:10:37,100
um hyperland Just in case I want to go have fun, but I'm very used to cinnamon

739
01:10:37,900 --> 01:10:40,220
And I'm happy to be with it

740
01:10:41,340 --> 01:10:46,940
So I said go with budgie. I saw that because the name I thought it might be fun, but yeah, we can use cinnamon with arch

741
01:10:47,020 --> 01:10:53,100
Yeah, yeah, I have cinnamon installed on on both laptop and desktop. I think good luck re hyperland

742
01:10:53,180 --> 01:10:55,500
Yeah, that's the reason why I didn't only install hyperland

743
01:10:57,580 --> 01:11:00,140
I don't know that I'll ever touch hyperland. Um

744
01:11:01,100 --> 01:11:08,460
I I might I might just literally not get to it apparently it's called the cosmic cosmic store. So it's uh, I

745
01:11:09,100 --> 01:11:14,460
Is it is it this one? I think it's this one when I moused over it. It wasn't it wasn't super obvious

746
01:11:14,460 --> 01:11:20,140
So I forget what comes up. Does it just say cosmic? I'm I'm actually not sure so don't quote don't quote me on any of that

747
01:11:21,180 --> 01:11:24,700
Uh, cosmic store another another thing I'll say is like

748
01:11:25,660 --> 01:11:30,380
And we have to we have to basically address this every time and and I think there is a subset of

749
01:11:31,100 --> 01:11:35,500
Linux mega nerds that actually don't want the year of Linux desktop to be a thing

750
01:11:35,660 --> 01:11:38,220
I know because then it would be not like

751
01:11:38,700 --> 01:11:44,060
Then it's not as cool. Yes, exactly. I think that is a subset probably not that big of a subset

752
01:11:44,060 --> 01:11:46,700
but I do think that is a subset of people but um

753
01:11:48,460 --> 01:11:53,980
Man, yeah, there's uh, and I don't know maybe people should rtfm a little more and google things themselves and stuff

754
01:11:54,060 --> 01:11:58,380
But like I'll come across a reddit thread where somebody's like, oh, how do I do this thing?

755
01:11:58,380 --> 01:12:02,220
And like an arch based distro and instead of just like

756
01:12:02,700 --> 01:12:06,780
Oh, here's your actually like really simple answer because the question you asked is like not that deep

757
01:12:07,420 --> 01:12:12,620
There will be like a seven paragraph thing about how you're a freaking idiot and you should never touch arch

758
01:12:12,620 --> 01:12:15,900
And you should probably go back to Windows you tiny little insignificant insignificant baby

759
01:12:16,220 --> 01:12:19,900
And it's like dude relax Like oh my god

760
01:12:19,900 --> 01:12:23,340
I think it was like I think the guy was like, how do I install steam?

761
01:12:23,820 --> 01:12:27,420
Yeah, it was how do I install steam in arch and the reason why I looked that up

762
01:12:27,500 --> 01:12:31,340
Which seems really basic was because I was just stunned. It wasn't in the package manager

763
01:12:32,060 --> 01:12:37,660
Yeah, I was like what like really and like I ended I ended up just installing it like I I just pac-mand it

764
01:12:37,660 --> 01:12:39,660
But like I was a little bit surprised

765
01:12:41,100 --> 01:12:46,140
Because like yeah, I'm comfortable enough. I can use a command line and stuff, but I kind of the gooey's there

766
01:12:47,100 --> 01:12:49,580
It kind of like is fine. It's almost like

767
01:12:51,020 --> 01:12:57,340
Basically everything for 98 percent of people has moved to gooey

768
01:12:57,660 --> 01:13:03,500
Yeah for a reason and it's weird that steam isn't in there like steams pretty normal

769
01:13:04,940 --> 01:13:10,780
No Chrome also wasn't in there, but chromium was I thought that was just kind of a funny little

770
01:13:11,740 --> 01:13:16,700
There might be some other reason for that But I was like, okay, whatever. I'll just try chromium and see how that goes

771
01:13:16,700 --> 01:13:21,020
So I'm running chromium instead of chrome because I always I do firefox for personal stuff chrome for work

772
01:13:21,180 --> 01:13:23,500
I've always done that. I the separation actually

773
01:13:24,300 --> 01:13:28,140
At this point is like very fluent not doing that would be very weird

774
01:13:28,380 --> 01:13:32,380
Right, like if I did personal stuff in chrome or work stuff in firefox, it would probably feel very odd

775
01:13:32,780 --> 01:13:35,180
Um, so like okay, I've got my two everything's fine

776
01:13:35,820 --> 01:13:41,500
Um teams is like a problem. Have you done that? Have you installed teams? I haven't installed teams yet

777
01:13:42,060 --> 01:13:47,580
Oh, I like Man, it sucks. There's there's no like official

778
01:13:48,860 --> 01:13:53,900
Yeah, there used to be though. There was a long time ago. Yeah, I think maybe the first time we did the challenge

779
01:13:53,900 --> 01:13:58,860
There was I think I think it what I think we were right on the it was it still existed

780
01:13:58,940 --> 01:14:02,780
But the support for it was like bad or something. I thought it don't don't quote me on that

781
01:14:02,780 --> 01:14:05,260
But I remember us. I remember it being a thing

782
01:14:05,980 --> 01:14:08,940
We definitely discussed it at the time. Mm-hmm. Yeah

783
01:14:11,500 --> 01:14:16,860
If teams is reason luke will go postal. It's already annoying. Um, like I I had a meeting

784
01:14:16,940 --> 01:14:21,180
So how our meetings tend to work is you get a teams meeting

785
01:14:22,220 --> 01:14:27,420
That is attached to your calendar invite. So you click on that and then it brings you into the meeting. It's not

786
01:14:27,980 --> 01:14:35,580
in my opinion, it's It's really wack guys. Stop telling me to try things. I'm not going to listen to you. I've already said that you can stop

787
01:14:36,300 --> 01:14:40,300
I'm legitimately not I will probably avoid the things that you tell me to do

788
01:14:40,300 --> 01:14:45,260
It's the most wrong thing you've ever said You said you can stop they can't

789
01:14:46,060 --> 01:14:48,060
They actually can't stop

790
01:14:49,580 --> 01:14:51,580
They're addicted to the shindig

791
01:14:53,660 --> 01:15:00,460
But okay, so I In in Windows it you you click on that link and it'll be like, oh you have teams installed

792
01:15:00,460 --> 01:15:05,420
Do you want to just open this with your desktop application and like yeah every time I would prefer to do that? Thank you

793
01:15:05,980 --> 01:15:10,620
um I don't think because because it's maybe because it's an unofficial app

794
01:15:11,020 --> 01:15:15,820
Maybe there's some way I can link the two. I'm sure there is I haven't done the work to do that yet

795
01:15:16,220 --> 01:15:19,180
Right now it really only wants to open in the browser

796
01:15:19,660 --> 01:15:23,580
So the first call that I had to take I ended up being like I answered in the browser

797
01:15:23,580 --> 01:15:28,940
And then it was like a little whack and I was like, hey Can I just call you through the app and then we did and I click

798
01:15:29,500 --> 01:15:34,700
Call on the app and then I think it doesn't work And like 15 seconds later the call goes

799
01:15:35,260 --> 01:15:40,460
And actually does something and I'm like, oh, okay. So like the biggest problem I've had so far is just teams

800
01:15:41,260 --> 01:15:45,180
um Which is kind of funny because discord actually worked

801
01:15:45,820 --> 01:15:51,260
Flawlessly and in oh right. I'm glad yours was forgot about that. Sorry about that. Yeah, no

802
01:15:52,540 --> 01:15:57,180
So discord and slack both worked immediately with no no issues, but yeah teams was a problem

803
01:15:57,180 --> 01:16:04,380
But it seems very centralized to to teams Um, yeah rest assured says in chat you were on cosmic

804
01:16:05,180 --> 01:16:13,260
Is that five question marks? That's in beta still borderline alpha. I don't know brother. I just downloaded whatever was on system 76's website. I

805
01:16:14,140 --> 01:16:20,700
Yeah I don't know dude says it just says now with cosmic

806
01:16:23,660 --> 01:16:28,940
I don't I don't make I don't make the rules man. Maybe maybe what I managed to do

807
01:16:29,820 --> 01:16:35,020
Maybe what I managed to do was catch them at a bad time again

808
01:16:38,300 --> 01:16:44,700
Wouldn't that be just the way Cosmic is borked cosmic is not new cosmic is 1.0 now see

809
01:16:46,620 --> 01:16:56,060
To me 1.0 means new And pre 1.0 means not even new yet like to me to me 1.0 is the infant baby

810
01:16:56,540 --> 01:17:01,740
Like it's still like completely worthless. You ask that infant baby to shovel the snow in the driveway

811
01:17:02,300 --> 01:17:07,580
useless Infant baby talks it out there. It doesn't even move anything before that is in womb

812
01:17:08,140 --> 01:17:13,660
So yeah, if I'd known better, maybe I wouldn't have gone popo s but now I'm gonna at least I'm gonna at least give it a shot

813
01:17:14,060 --> 01:17:17,580
I'm gonna well. I feel like I've given it a shot. Oh, I don't want to change it. It's such a

814
01:17:18,700 --> 01:17:23,180
I feel if if changing your operating system is not your hobby

815
01:17:23,500 --> 01:17:30,700
Then this is not an attractive proposition and I think that's something a lot of people have a hard time wrapping their brain around

816
01:17:32,140 --> 01:17:38,940
Yeah, yeah changing my os is not my hobby redoing the plumbing in my computer

817
01:17:39,740 --> 01:17:44,860
Yeah, that's my hobby. I'm more interested. You like the hardware. I could be I could be convinced to do that

818
01:17:45,980 --> 01:17:50,460
Clean out my blocks. Yeah Yeah, I I will say like

819
01:17:51,020 --> 01:17:53,420
It's been fine, but it has been like

820
01:17:54,300 --> 01:17:57,820
Oh, right I have to install that thing

821
01:17:58,060 --> 01:18:01,180
Okay Oh, I'm not logged in on

822
01:18:01,180 --> 01:18:07,580
All of the different things. That's annoying. Huh. Slack's been quiet today. Oh, yeah, I don't have that installed yet

823
01:18:08,380 --> 01:18:14,380
Crap. That's why it's been quiet today. Oh, no, and then install that and then oh, everything's fine. Okay, cool

824
01:18:14,620 --> 01:18:18,300
And I think it's uh

825
01:18:18,300 --> 01:18:21,100
Yeah, and I think it's I think it's one of those things where like

826
01:18:21,820 --> 01:18:28,540
It all depends on you know What your baggage is right? I hate logging into things

827
01:18:28,780 --> 01:18:33,020
I feel like half of my life Is logging into things because I do so many

828
01:18:33,980 --> 01:18:38,860
disparate tasks in so many disparate platforms that

829
01:18:39,500 --> 01:18:43,100
Like almost any time I get interrupted and I have to do anything

830
01:18:43,580 --> 01:18:47,020
I'm logging in again and fetching a two-factor thing again

831
01:18:47,580 --> 01:18:54,940
And then going in remote desk topping into some other thing to retrieve some other token that I need to like there's always

832
01:18:55,420 --> 01:18:58,460
I'm always logging into something. So if you tell me hey

833
01:18:59,180 --> 01:19:03,260
Guess what Linus? There's this trendy new Linux distro

834
01:19:03,820 --> 01:19:10,300
All you have to do is log into all your sh**. Yeah, okay. I'm done. I'm not interested the conversation is actually over now

835
01:19:11,660 --> 01:19:18,380
That went from fun and interesting to Kill it with fire. Yeah with that with that fast

836
01:19:19,020 --> 01:19:25,740
Yeah, I I do I will say I really appreciate actually the login methods for discord and steam these days

837
01:19:25,980 --> 01:19:30,220
The qr coding from your phone. It's okay. Is oh, it was pretty fast for me

838
01:19:31,180 --> 01:19:35,180
I I didn't even open those specific apps. I just opened my camera

839
01:19:35,580 --> 01:19:40,380
The camera used the link to open that app to the screen where it did the scan thing

840
01:19:40,780 --> 01:19:45,260
And then I just was like, oh, okay, that worked and then it scanned it and it just logged me an instance

841
01:19:45,420 --> 01:19:51,100
I didn't do anything. It was amazing for me I have my steam password memorized. So maybe it's just

842
01:19:51,420 --> 01:19:56,300
Oh, well the friction of that would honestly be faster taking anything out of my pocket is just sort of going

843
01:19:56,380 --> 01:19:59,500
That's an example of how many damn times you have to log into things. I dude

844
01:19:59,500 --> 01:20:07,500
I like very rarely logged in my steam I have way too many of my passwords memorized now just because it's faster than typing in my master password

845
01:20:07,500 --> 01:20:11,500
And then going and getting my two-factor and then doing my single sign-on

846
01:20:15,740 --> 01:20:19,100
They promised us that pass keys we're going to remove the friction

847
01:20:19,740 --> 01:20:25,260
Pass keys and single sign-on was supposed to make everything magically better. Well, and then it got hyper paywalled

848
01:20:26,220 --> 01:20:29,180
single sign-on getting hyper paywalled is like one of the worst

849
01:20:29,820 --> 01:20:32,540
Things that have happened to modern computing in my opinion

850
01:20:33,020 --> 01:20:40,860
um Yeah, I don't know right now. I need something stronger. I haven't ran into anything that would make me run back to Windows

851
01:20:41,260 --> 01:20:45,260
I have only been using it for a little bit and I suspect I'm gonna hit a hard wall

852
01:20:45,500 --> 01:20:48,940
Yeah, the indiana jones game hasn't come out, you know, exactly

853
01:20:49,260 --> 01:20:53,180
I'm gonna hit a hard wall where it's it's an anti-cheat thing

854
01:20:53,660 --> 01:20:56,700
Or something like that and I just can't run it on this system

855
01:20:56,860 --> 01:21:02,860
And I'm gonna go what the heck you'll end up back on you'll hit the exact same one that I did at the land

856
01:21:03,260 --> 01:21:11,340
There's seven people waiting in a lobby for me Yeah, it's gonna drive me and I'm f***ing around with my special snowflake Linux while everyone else is sitting here going

857
01:21:12,540 --> 01:21:17,980
Okay, so what because of your special dietary restriction, we need to make an entirely new meal for you

858
01:21:18,700 --> 01:21:26,620
Then play the game that you can play Actually, we don't really need you in our friend group that sucks. Yeah, and that happens and that happens

859
01:21:26,860 --> 01:21:29,500
You maybe you have a super happy fun time

860
01:21:30,380 --> 01:21:33,820
Friend group that you've been with forever and that doesn't happen to you and that's great

861
01:21:33,900 --> 01:21:40,300
But that does actually happen and even if it doesn't and they're nice about it. It doesn't mean that it doesn't cause friction. Yeah

862
01:21:41,980 --> 01:21:46,540
Yeah, I mean and it might happen slow. I mean, there's a there's someone

863
01:21:48,620 --> 01:21:52,460
And I this is someone that I like very much

864
01:21:53,020 --> 01:22:00,460
And enjoy as a person But there's someone who kind of stopped getting gaming invites from us

865
01:22:02,460 --> 01:22:04,860
Because it was very high friction

866
01:22:09,020 --> 01:22:11,020
And I love working for him

867
01:22:14,940 --> 01:22:17,660
It's a bit of a tell which narrows things down a little

868
01:22:25,100 --> 01:22:30,780
But between audio problems and just general connection stability and

869
01:22:33,260 --> 01:22:35,260
You know just

870
01:22:37,260 --> 01:22:44,380
Oh man, that's pretty funny. Um, oh, who'd you think I was talking about? I'm just kidding. I know who you thought I was talking about

871
01:22:47,820 --> 01:22:57,020
I was gonna say there's another one Yeah, I guess wait, I guess we're those people I haven't been playing with you guys lately. I like that

872
01:22:59,660 --> 01:23:01,660
Yo, what the f*** it happens, man

873
01:23:03,260 --> 01:23:07,820
Mr. Tec's got a lot of tech problems. Is this just because I'm on Linux. Mr. Tec's got a lot of tech problems

874
01:23:07,820 --> 01:23:13,020
I'm late for a left for dead lobby one time. Sometimes we got an hour to play and sometimes it takes you an hour to be set up

875
01:23:14,060 --> 01:23:16,060
Listen

876
01:23:19,900 --> 01:23:22,780
Oh, sorry, I have to update I have to update the

877
01:23:23,980 --> 01:23:32,140
Transversal auxiliary Wave pump in my 14th computer in my seventh room so that I can play in the

878
01:23:32,780 --> 01:23:37,260
In my theater room, but never mind that's not gonna work because little man wants to play there

879
01:23:37,260 --> 01:23:42,220
So I'm gonna play in this other place and then I'm gonna play in the upstairs And then my thing isn't gonna work and I'll see you guys in an hour

880
01:23:42,220 --> 01:23:45,420
I never mind I can't play because if I need some help I'll be back in 20 minutes

881
01:23:45,660 --> 01:23:50,620
Actually, this these other people what if we just what if we what if everyone just remote it in my computer?

882
01:23:50,620 --> 01:23:53,580
We play that way away. That doesn't work. Never mind. We'll do this other thing

883
01:23:54,140 --> 01:23:58,940
Okay, you've kind of touched on a number of issues. I have a very troubleshooting

884
01:23:59,740 --> 01:24:07,980
oriented personality type I I get I get fixated on a goal and sometimes my goal is something like we need to play 5v5

885
01:24:08,300 --> 01:24:11,260
Yeah, and then you have issues with like exit the game barely even

886
01:24:11,660 --> 01:24:15,500
Supports it or like the remote software like steam remote

887
01:24:16,060 --> 01:24:19,020
What is it remote play together doesn't support that many controllers?

888
01:24:19,100 --> 01:24:24,140
But but parsec does and you and you make your way down these all these like troubleshooting steps

889
01:24:24,140 --> 01:24:28,140
Okay, so that's that's one of me personality issues that you've identified. Thank you very much

890
01:24:29,500 --> 01:24:35,340
Another one is the multiple systems and some of them being in various states of setup. Yes, okay

891
01:24:35,420 --> 01:24:41,180
That's a reflection of my fragmented mind. Sure. Okay. Let's go with that for personality flaw number two

892
01:24:41,820 --> 01:24:48,940
The last one is actually This one comes up a lot and is the one that I guess I don't really talk to you guys about as much

893
01:24:49,340 --> 01:24:56,220
But comes up more often than the other ones But sometimes I will go such a long period of time between gaming sessions

894
01:24:57,500 --> 01:25:00,860
That like everything's everything's out of date. Everything is demanding updates. Yeah

895
01:25:01,580 --> 01:25:04,700
And that is such an annoying thing about

896
01:25:05,420 --> 01:25:08,620
Modern gaming that even with a fast internet connection

897
01:25:09,020 --> 01:25:13,900
I need to be seated at my computer If I haven't played in a couple months

898
01:25:13,900 --> 01:25:20,220
So there could be like a major patch on the game or there could be like a game ready driver or you know, whatever, right?

899
01:25:20,860 --> 01:25:28,380
um Or or like just your crap all logs you out because you know how things spontaneously log you out now

900
01:25:29,820 --> 01:25:34,300
And so you have to be like seated at your computer 20 minutes ahead of time in order to make your game date

901
01:25:34,300 --> 01:25:39,900
It's like at that point I might as well drive to someone's house and we can just plug in controllers and play xbox one

902
01:25:41,020 --> 01:25:43,660
Honestly, yeah, not one the first one

903
01:25:44,940 --> 01:25:51,900
Where you just put the disc in it and you play halo Have you sick you just needler each other until everyone's just angry

904
01:25:52,620 --> 01:25:58,220
you know Like it honestly just sounds more fun at that point source shotguns halo 2

905
01:25:59,180 --> 01:26:03,660
The map where there's the the ramps and the towers and the blue bogey thing

906
01:26:04,220 --> 01:26:08,780
Solid heck. Yeah, dude solid. No in all actuality. We just haven't been playing very much

907
01:26:09,580 --> 01:26:14,860
Life's been busy. Yeah, I hear you People like every time I go to smash champs

908
01:26:15,740 --> 01:26:18,540
Every time without fail someone says hey, you're back

909
01:26:20,220 --> 01:26:23,420
And like I do go there once in a while, but I'm not attending

910
01:26:24,060 --> 01:26:27,580
like I had been like I played ladder last night and um

911
01:26:28,220 --> 01:26:31,980
Oh, you mean for the for badminton. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sorry. As you said when I go to smash

912
01:26:31,980 --> 01:26:35,340
I was my brain's just like whale. No. Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah

913
01:26:35,740 --> 01:26:39,340
Um So I'm just like I'm not like I'm not seeing

914
01:26:40,060 --> 01:26:46,860
members of the community nearly as much as they're like Use they have gotten used to seeing me. Can you think it's been open for a year? It's pretty wild

915
01:26:48,140 --> 01:26:53,500
How crazy is that it was fun having all the land attendees look through the doors and just go like whoa

916
01:26:54,140 --> 01:26:58,140
It went the other way too. Oh, yeah. Yeah badminton people were like what the heck?

917
01:26:59,100 --> 01:27:03,340
What is this because I was actually playing in the morning of the saturday

918
01:27:03,820 --> 01:27:09,260
So I was I was playing badminton From 9 to 11 with a group that came up from seattle

919
01:27:09,340 --> 01:27:14,540
So it's not like we could just like meet another time and play because they were up for a couple of them had a birthday or something

920
01:27:14,860 --> 01:27:20,140
So they came up. They did the new go-kart place in richman. I haven't tried it yet. Have you been the like two level one?

921
01:27:20,140 --> 01:27:27,340
It looks awesome. I didn't know we had a two level one. Yeah It just like they they were close for renovations for like ever and I want to go

922
01:27:28,060 --> 01:27:34,460
Maybe we should oh, it's all man. We should do it for summer fun. Summer's coming up. Are we sweet speeder? Yeah. Yeah, I think it's that one

923
01:27:36,460 --> 01:27:40,220
Multi-level tracks. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, so I want to I want to go there here here here

924
01:27:40,300 --> 01:27:46,220
Luke laptop endless ways to play Oh, look. Yeah, they're they're good. This is clearly them going up. Whoa

925
01:27:46,940 --> 01:27:51,820
Yeah, 30 minutes. Yeah Whoa. Yeah, I know

926
01:27:52,780 --> 01:27:59,180
They have laser tagging stuff too. Is this the new like castle fun park? No, it's in richman speeders has been there for a long time

927
01:27:59,180 --> 01:28:04,300
But they reno like the you know, they have laser tag. They have bowling. They have darts. They have

928
01:28:04,780 --> 01:28:11,420
Mini golf like castle fun park is still my castle fun park. Yeah too soon. I know I heard they flooded again

929
01:28:12,140 --> 01:28:16,380
I feel so bad for them. It's gotta be really if you visit up here

930
01:28:16,860 --> 01:28:21,020
And like need a thing to do some night for some reason. Maybe your work or whatever

931
01:28:21,340 --> 01:28:27,180
Castle fun park is genuinely a really good time go to castle fun. It's a bit out of the way and they've had like

932
01:28:28,140 --> 01:28:31,900
Nature trying to tear them down They've they've they had some

933
01:28:31,900 --> 01:28:38,940
Underground experiences like they had this really cool actually underground mini golf and stuff and their place got flooded and those underground areas got

934
01:28:39,740 --> 01:28:44,780
How could abbotsford be subject to so many acts of god? Yeah, it's right in the name

935
01:28:45,740 --> 01:28:49,420
It's the fort of abbots Yeah

936
01:28:49,420 --> 01:28:57,900
But yeah, check this out like uh, all right So yeah, so I was playing with the badminton people and like multiple of the the group that came up was like

937
01:28:58,540 --> 01:29:06,380
What is that? And I'm like, oh Well, it's like it's the land like for gaming. They're like, oh like e-sports. I'm like, yeah, kind of

938
01:29:08,060 --> 01:29:11,020
If you could only play with the people at the land and pretty much everyone was bad

939
01:29:13,420 --> 01:29:18,940
Yeah, yeah, kind of um, no offense. I'm including myself in that to be clear. But yeah, like uh, dude

940
01:29:19,980 --> 01:29:23,580
On the badminton side, we've been open for one year and this is what it looks like right now

941
01:29:24,060 --> 01:29:28,780
It's really cool. Like this is this is crazy. It like kind of yeah, you can kind of see it

942
01:29:29,260 --> 01:29:33,260
But like we kind of accidentally like a whole like business

943
01:29:33,740 --> 01:29:38,060
And it's it's funny, right? Because like you see so many like there's people waiting on the side right now

944
01:29:38,540 --> 01:29:43,340
You can see everyone like waiting off court. You people who don't like understand

945
01:29:43,820 --> 01:29:46,300
Um, the sport and the popularity of the sport

946
01:29:47,260 --> 01:29:51,500
There were so many comments on the initial videos like announcing it dude those courts were like

947
01:29:52,380 --> 01:29:55,100
Very active until like three four in the morning

948
01:29:56,300 --> 01:30:00,060
During whale it like I would go kind of poke my head over every once in a while

949
01:30:00,380 --> 01:30:03,740
And then I think there might have been a few even outside of those hours

950
01:30:03,740 --> 01:30:07,580
But like I kind of stopped the late night stuff. I think was mostly LMG people

951
01:30:07,660 --> 01:30:10,620
I was goofing around with them for a bit and like Yvonne was over there

952
01:30:11,020 --> 01:30:14,140
I think like a bunch of the accounting people were over there and stuff

953
01:30:14,860 --> 01:30:17,340
People are still using it. But yeah, like it's um

954
01:30:18,060 --> 01:30:24,220
I don't know. Yeah, there were a lot of just like this is this is so incredibly stupid. This will never be a viable business. This is like guys

955
01:30:25,180 --> 01:30:28,140
People need stuff to do third places, man

956
01:30:28,700 --> 01:30:31,980
Yeah, you need some third places and no offense to speeders

957
01:30:31,980 --> 01:30:34,540
But give me some third places that aren't a hundred dollars every half hour

958
01:30:35,180 --> 01:30:41,740
I had uh, I I had never heard the term before until I was chatting with um with charade

959
01:30:42,540 --> 01:30:48,380
Yeah, third places. Yeah third place. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and uh, and he was just he was just talking about like the lack of

960
01:30:48,940 --> 01:30:55,580
Of third places And I'd actually like I don't know. You know how I am like someone will bring up anything and I start going like

961
01:30:55,580 --> 01:31:02,380
Oh, you're like like what would be the opportunity to like to fix this and so I um, I was so I was this was actually

962
01:31:02,860 --> 01:31:08,700
On our china trip and I was brainstorming with charade this idea for um

963
01:31:09,420 --> 01:31:14,380
third place ink And it actually there's there's some pretty cool ideas

964
01:31:14,700 --> 01:31:18,700
I I couldn't afford to do it here because it's just like kind of crazy

965
01:31:19,260 --> 01:31:25,820
But the idea the basic idea behind it is you want it to remove you want to remove the decision paralysis

966
01:31:26,540 --> 01:31:31,740
Of deciding where you're going and what you want to do like it's kind of the physical equivalent

967
01:31:32,300 --> 01:31:36,540
Of you know how it's impossible to decide what to watch because there's so many options

968
01:31:36,700 --> 01:31:39,980
Yeah, or whether it's on flecks or netflix. Yeah, exactly

969
01:31:40,540 --> 01:31:47,740
Exactly that. So you go on like I'm we must have all been there you you're everyone's hungry

970
01:31:48,460 --> 01:31:50,460
You fire up google maps

971
01:31:51,740 --> 01:32:00,380
And there's just A zillion options. So the idea is that with third place ink you remove that friction. You just go there

972
01:32:00,940 --> 01:32:05,580
So it would like have programming or events, but none of them would be posted online

973
01:32:06,460 --> 01:32:13,740
And maybe the bulletin board literally like I had this idea of having like um, like like a door people style lens

974
01:32:14,300 --> 01:32:19,180
So you can like look And you can you can like see what's going on today

975
01:32:19,580 --> 01:32:26,460
But you can't like take a picture of it or anything You know, obviously people would people would post them, but you try to you try to discourage it

976
01:32:26,940 --> 01:32:32,140
And so the idea is just that you you, uh, you just have this kind of

977
01:32:32,860 --> 01:32:36,860
Uh, this kind of like programming events, whether it's like, okay, tonight. We're doing poker night

978
01:32:37,340 --> 01:32:40,220
You're not good at poker. It doesn't matter. Everyone's playing poker tonight

979
01:32:40,700 --> 01:32:45,820
Um flagship locations could be set up with all kinds of activities that encourage casual coexistence

980
01:32:46,300 --> 01:32:51,100
So a music listening room with a jukebox

981
01:32:51,100 --> 01:32:53,100
crazy idea not a new idea

982
01:32:54,300 --> 01:32:58,940
But the idea being that you don't everyone doesn't just have their headphones in

983
01:32:59,740 --> 01:33:05,580
There's music playing and everyone can take their turn and for 50 cents or you know, whatever for a dollar song

984
01:33:05,820 --> 01:33:10,780
You pick the next song, um karaoke billiards tabletop games

985
01:33:11,260 --> 01:33:15,820
Um, it'd be cool if it was membership based so you don't pay have to pay every time you go there

986
01:33:15,820 --> 01:33:23,420
So you kind of remove that friction. You just go you just go hang out You'd want to be somewhere transit friendly and then you know, one of the things that came up with okay

987
01:33:23,420 --> 01:33:27,740
How do you deal with unsavory stuff? You know drug deals hooking up in bathrooms?

988
01:33:28,060 --> 01:33:30,300
Do you do it through a member's code of conduct? Do you?

989
01:33:31,100 --> 01:33:35,340
Do you count on people to self-police? That's that's kind of as far as we got but like

990
01:33:35,980 --> 01:33:41,980
Man, how much would you how much would you enjoy just having a pops chocolate shop?

991
01:33:43,820 --> 01:33:49,180
You know And that's that that's a bit of a dated. That's a rare. That's a reference dated reference. Yeah

992
01:33:49,980 --> 01:33:55,980
Yeah, no, I think it would be Like a country club remember remember the part about it being affordable though

993
01:33:56,620 --> 01:33:59,180
That's where the country club thing doesn't really land

994
01:33:59,820 --> 01:34:05,660
For most people then the the issue with it being affordable is how do you do that affordably these days?

995
01:34:05,980 --> 01:34:10,620
Like how do you have that much space in camp anywhere in british columbia?

996
01:34:10,620 --> 01:34:15,580
I mean, that's the one part anywhere that has population. That's the one part that most people

997
01:34:16,140 --> 01:34:19,820
didn't understand about smash champs like that's

998
01:34:20,540 --> 01:34:23,900
The things that they thought were stupid were not stupid at all

999
01:34:24,300 --> 01:34:31,100
And the things that almost nobody flagged were very stupid the building. Uh, yeah the building itself because

1000
01:34:31,740 --> 01:34:34,780
That's been strange to me that people didn't put that together

1001
01:34:35,980 --> 01:34:40,860
The number of people mad about us acquiring the tech house, you know another house

1002
01:34:41,900 --> 01:34:47,580
and like Not recognizing that compared to our commercial real estate acquisitions. That's like

1003
01:34:48,540 --> 01:34:52,220
It shows up on the line

1004
01:34:52,780 --> 01:34:57,100
Oh, it's a line item. It's a line item. It's definitely a line item. It's for sure a line item

1005
01:34:57,580 --> 01:35:00,620
Um, but like yeah, I don't yeah, okay

1006
01:35:00,620 --> 01:35:05,420
I think part of the problem with this is just like magnetizing people away

1007
01:35:06,060 --> 01:35:13,500
from These and and these these types of things. Oh, that was sorry. I didn't I didn't mention that you you check your phone at the door

1008
01:35:13,740 --> 01:35:19,260
Oh, no, I meant to get there at all because like get them out of their house get them out of their bedroom or whatever

1009
01:35:19,420 --> 01:35:23,420
There's a video I watched from hopefully I don't pronounce it wrong. I think it's you're gonna like this though

1010
01:35:23,420 --> 01:35:26,700
You're gonna like this. No, sure. I'll pause this. It's fine. Yeah, hold that thought

1011
01:35:26,940 --> 01:35:32,460
But the idea was that you check your phones at the door, but that's okay because at the reception

1012
01:35:33,420 --> 01:35:39,100
You can so you can opt To leave it so that to leave it out or to put it in the box

1013
01:35:39,420 --> 01:35:45,820
And then if you get an emergency call Literally, you can like call third place or no, sorry. No, that wasn't the idea

1014
01:35:45,820 --> 01:35:48,860
That was one idea and then I was like, no, there's too many privacy issues

1015
01:35:49,020 --> 01:35:51,660
And then the new idea was that you have a landline at third place

1016
01:35:52,220 --> 01:35:55,980
And then you could you could like you'd you'd have to call and then they'd like page you

1017
01:35:56,380 --> 01:35:59,500
Like remember when you were trying to reach your parents at work when we were kids

1018
01:35:59,580 --> 01:36:03,980
Yeah, and you'd have to call the office and you'd be like scared to talk to the stranger and be like

1019
01:36:04,620 --> 01:36:11,740
um Is can I talk to mrs. Sebastian? Like, yeah, uh, can I can I tell her who's calling? Yeah, it's her son

1020
01:36:12,300 --> 01:36:18,540
Oh, okay. Okay little Linus. Uh, yeah, I'll I'll go get her and then it would be like five minutes and they'd go get them

1021
01:36:18,620 --> 01:36:23,740
You could potentially like if you had the phones badged by name, which wouldn't be very hard

1022
01:36:24,300 --> 01:36:29,340
I mean be kind of automatic. I'm assuming you're bagging it somehow with a tag so you know who to give it to

1023
01:36:29,820 --> 01:36:32,780
um You could just see the caller ID

1024
01:36:33,340 --> 01:36:36,380
If there's no caller ID, who cares just let it ring through anyways

1025
01:36:36,620 --> 01:36:40,140
But if there's a caller ID, you could be like so and so this

1026
01:36:40,700 --> 01:36:44,460
Caller ID is calling you and then that person can decide if they want to come get their phone or not

1027
01:36:44,700 --> 01:36:50,380
But that's yeah, that's pretty sweet. Uh, but yeah, I watch I watch this video from I think it's emil emil emil

1028
01:36:50,780 --> 01:36:58,300
Sorry, they say their name in the video and I already forgot how to pronounce it But uh, you should install a cheap computer in your room and I don't know why I clicked on this

1029
01:36:58,380 --> 01:37:03,180
But I was I think my thought process was like why why would I possibly want a cheap computer in my room?

1030
01:37:03,500 --> 01:37:07,500
Their argument was actually pretty good. I don't want to play it because you should go watch for msn messenger

1031
01:37:08,300 --> 01:37:15,980
I know um, I heard there's still versions that work. No way. I've I've shut up through the grapevine. Um, but

1032
01:37:17,100 --> 01:37:21,820
Their argument was that for them By doing this they might

1033
01:37:23,100 --> 01:37:27,180
Choose a higher medium And through doing that not doom scroll

1034
01:37:29,020 --> 01:37:31,500
They might watch a movie they might

1035
01:37:32,060 --> 01:37:35,420
Play a game. They might do something. I don't remember all the details. It's been a bit since I watch it

1036
01:37:35,500 --> 01:37:38,060
Uh go watch it if you're interested, but um

1037
01:37:39,100 --> 01:37:44,300
I liked the thought process of just like just something to keep me from doom scrolling

1038
01:37:44,620 --> 01:37:48,700
And I think it's the these are such crazy magnets these days and I think it's

1039
01:37:49,580 --> 01:37:54,620
Part of the equation probably a small part I think the biggest part is that just land and everything costs so much freaking money these days

1040
01:37:54,700 --> 01:37:58,780
But yeah part of the reason why I think third places are disappearing is because people just aren't

1041
01:37:59,660 --> 01:38:04,540
Engaging as much because they're sucked into this they're sucked into just vegetating on netflix all day. They're sucked into

1042
01:38:05,260 --> 01:38:09,020
Something that keeps them at home alone and it's it's

1043
01:38:09,660 --> 01:38:14,220
It kind of sucks. I am a person that very very much deeply values my alone time

1044
01:38:14,380 --> 01:38:19,420
But I also have to understand that there's kind of too much and something that would be kind of neat about a third place

1045
01:38:19,420 --> 01:38:24,460
You mentioned the like music listening room. Yeah How there's these I there's these ideas of being

1046
01:38:25,100 --> 01:38:31,340
Alone but amongst people And it is a very different thing than being alone by yourself at home

1047
01:38:31,820 --> 01:38:35,900
Rotting in bed it is it is very different even if you're not actively socializing

1048
01:38:36,140 --> 01:38:38,620
maybe you're just hanging out in the back of the

1049
01:38:39,180 --> 01:38:44,540
The music listening room vibing out listening to different tracks people put on maybe most of time

1050
01:38:44,540 --> 01:38:49,740
You're not all that interested in what it is But maybe someone puts on a song that you really jive with for some reason

1051
01:38:49,740 --> 01:38:53,740
And you ask them about it and forget who the band is whatever else and you have these like little interactions

1052
01:38:53,980 --> 01:38:57,980
It can be really healthy, especially i'm assuming a very high percentage of

1053
01:38:58,620 --> 01:39:07,420
Males are in the audience right now, especially for us There's a crazy like we don't socialize with any one problem going on right now where we all just spend all of our time alone

1054
01:39:07,820 --> 01:39:10,780
and fighting against that is like a

1055
01:39:11,660 --> 01:39:16,940
A valiant thing to do so this this stage in development

1056
01:39:17,660 --> 01:39:23,100
occurs around Two to four years and it's called parallel play

1057
01:39:23,180 --> 01:39:27,020
I love parallel play when a child plays alongside or near others

1058
01:39:27,500 --> 01:39:30,060
But doesn't play with them so

1059
01:39:30,700 --> 01:39:36,700
Different toys in the same sandbox or a group of kids drawing on their own papers while sitting side by side focused on their own journeys

1060
01:39:36,700 --> 01:39:40,220
But still aware of one another and it feels like

1061
01:39:40,780 --> 01:39:44,860
We're not even getting there. No sometimes parallel plays great

1062
01:39:45,420 --> 01:39:49,420
Um and you were saying like we end up uh, we end up alone in our homes

1063
01:39:49,740 --> 01:39:54,460
We also end up alone outside of our homes. Yeah, I saw this. Uh, I saw this really interesting

1064
01:39:56,220 --> 01:39:58,220
I see both sides

1065
01:39:59,340 --> 01:40:09,580
Exchange on reddit eyes forward So it was it was kind of a kind of a a women centric subreddit sure uh talking about

1066
01:40:10,620 --> 01:40:16,220
how How invasive and uncomfortable

1067
01:40:16,860 --> 01:40:22,940
And almost like borderline aggressive it is if someone approaches them in public when they have their airpods in

1068
01:40:24,140 --> 01:40:27,340
and you know

1069
01:40:27,340 --> 01:40:31,180
uh And and I kind of went and they were like

1070
01:40:31,900 --> 01:40:37,580
You know, oh, it's you know, when you have your pods and it makes you seem unapproachable and they're like that's the point

1071
01:40:37,820 --> 01:40:43,580
And I'm like, oh man, definitely see both sides because

1072
01:40:44,940 --> 01:40:47,340
It especially like I'm not a woman

1073
01:40:48,300 --> 01:40:51,820
Big surprise shocker. Oh, I know right not a woman

1074
01:40:52,300 --> 01:40:59,100
I would have never known but there are definitely aspects of the being a woman experience that I have

1075
01:40:59,660 --> 01:41:02,300
Witnessed as a as a third-party non-woman

1076
01:41:02,860 --> 01:41:07,180
That would make me really uncomfortable in public. Yeah, a little bit too much attention. Yep

1077
01:41:07,580 --> 01:41:10,380
A little bit too much attention a little bit by yourself today

1078
01:41:10,700 --> 01:41:16,860
Might just want to listen to my music and and jog be left alone and maybe I'm wearing short shorts because I don't want to

1079
01:41:17,740 --> 01:41:20,700
Wear sweaty leggings that are tied up against my legs

1080
01:41:21,100 --> 01:41:25,180
But that's not an invitation to you know, want to touch them. You know

1081
01:41:26,700 --> 01:41:31,180
Sure That makes total sense Perfectly reasonable

1082
01:41:31,260 --> 01:41:37,900
On the other hand, like you go out in public and like like everyone has their iPods in not

1083
01:41:38,540 --> 01:41:41,900
literally everyone I'm obviously being a little hyperbolic right now, but

1084
01:41:42,940 --> 01:41:47,500
Many people do and you kind of wonder what people like. What was it like?

1085
01:41:48,060 --> 01:41:54,060
Yeah before that and and Were there things about that that were maybe better and healthy

1086
01:41:54,940 --> 01:42:00,220
And and maybe but again, I have put the air pods in and hoped no one would talk to me before

1087
01:42:00,540 --> 01:42:05,580
Totally get it. Sometimes. Yeah mid conversation. I'll even put my air pod back in

1088
01:42:06,220 --> 01:42:10,540
Hoping that somebody might recognize a non-verbal cue, but you know without

1089
01:42:11,260 --> 01:42:21,420
you know, um Categorizing our community, I will say there are social cues might not be many members of the LTT

1090
01:42:22,140 --> 01:42:25,180
community that don't really pick up non-verbal

1091
01:42:26,140 --> 01:42:32,540
Yeah, body language cues. Yeah, doesn't always work. Yeah, you know, you try you try

1092
01:42:33,260 --> 01:42:36,540
um And you know what like I

1093
01:42:37,420 --> 01:42:41,820
I get that I'm not offended by it. I'm not upset by it doesn't really bother me

1094
01:42:41,980 --> 01:42:49,980
I'm also not a woman Totally and it really is very different experience very different when I'm getting unwanted attention from a man

1095
01:42:50,860 --> 01:42:55,500
it's just kind of like Bro, go do something else. It's also fascinating

1096
01:42:56,540 --> 01:43:00,460
I don't know. We don't need to go down this chain really, but it's fascinating to me like

1097
01:43:01,260 --> 01:43:03,260
if I am like attached

1098
01:43:04,860 --> 01:43:08,540
to Say my partner right now

1099
01:43:08,540 --> 01:43:13,580
Yeah, if I if I'm right right next to them or my arms around them or holding hands or something

1100
01:43:13,900 --> 01:43:18,700
If there is some strong indication that I am with this person. Yeah, it's fine

1101
01:43:19,660 --> 01:43:22,300
The second I like flowed out of the picture

1102
01:43:23,260 --> 01:43:27,500
It changes. It's like It's okay jealous type. Well

1103
01:43:28,300 --> 01:43:31,820
if If I'm if I'm so if we're like this

1104
01:43:32,860 --> 01:43:34,860
It's fine to talk to me

1105
01:43:36,220 --> 01:43:44,940
If he's not next to me That is not my point. It's not my point. My point is full like pop a bear mode. You watch out for that

1106
01:43:45,740 --> 01:43:51,500
My point is that like it's it's surprising how palpable and fast the change in attention can be

1107
01:43:52,140 --> 01:43:54,380
And like we saw we saw this in new york

1108
01:43:55,420 --> 01:44:00,380
I was like I was floated off to the emma was getting something from a food cart

1109
01:44:01,100 --> 01:44:05,340
And yuvan and I were all kind of more floated off to the side. Oh, yeah

1110
01:44:05,340 --> 01:44:10,220
Because we were reading the side of the thing So she was kind of on her own and some dude came up like

1111
01:44:11,020 --> 01:44:14,940
Pretty close right behind her and I've repositioned and then they left

1112
01:44:15,900 --> 01:44:24,460
And it was like it's that was fast. It's almost like we're actually like animals. Yeah, and

1113
01:44:25,900 --> 01:44:31,340
Everything like you know how every man somehow knows which urinal to stand at

1114
01:44:32,380 --> 01:44:38,620
Yeah And it's funny because women will talk about how they like don't get it

1115
01:44:39,420 --> 01:44:44,220
That's because you never needed to that's because a hundred thousand years ago

1116
01:44:44,220 --> 01:44:51,020
a million years ago You weren't marking your territory with this thing, you know, you

1117
01:44:52,780 --> 01:44:54,780
Like it's but it's culturally universal

1118
01:44:57,100 --> 01:45:06,380
Sure, yeah, i'm serious Did did humans mark their territory with this? I know dogs did did humans do that humans might not have but something at some point did

1119
01:45:06,860 --> 01:45:10,620
We definitely there's clearly there's clearly vestigial

1120
01:45:11,820 --> 01:45:18,220
Like I don't like I don't want to pee right next to another dude unless we're pretty close

1121
01:45:19,980 --> 01:45:21,980
Do you

1122
01:45:25,580 --> 01:45:31,580
Yeah, sure, sure. All right, I'll I'll follow. Yeah, like there's there's occasional social situations

1123
01:45:31,580 --> 01:45:35,180
I think it might just be like shyness because you have your dong out and in your hands

1124
01:45:36,140 --> 01:45:41,340
You don't want to be like literally shoulder to shoulder with someone but where's the origin of that?

1125
01:45:42,060 --> 01:45:47,900
Why do we have that shyness? Would I be shy sitting next to another dude and ripping a fart?

1126
01:45:50,220 --> 01:45:56,460
Yeah, probably not as much probably not I think there's something coming out of my butt and you won't like it

1127
01:45:57,660 --> 01:46:00,940
This might be a hot take but I think fart smelling is different than don looking

1128
01:46:01,900 --> 01:46:06,300
But the thing I mean you can don gazing is a little different than fart smelling at the urinal though

1129
01:46:06,540 --> 01:46:12,540
There's usually a barrier anyway, so it's not even about the look. It's not even rational anymore hot take if you're a tall

1130
01:46:12,540 --> 01:46:14,540
Dude, there effectively is not a barrier

1131
01:46:16,300 --> 01:46:22,060
Okay, that's fair that's fair and like you know what I'm not even trying to be like oh i'm tall you think there's a barrier for lucas

1132
01:46:23,500 --> 01:46:26,460
There ain't no barrier for lucas. This is true. This is very true

1133
01:46:27,260 --> 01:46:31,580
but What i'm basically saying is like there's things that are

1134
01:46:32,140 --> 01:46:37,260
That are that are non. No, I hear you don't need to be communicated. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah that are non verbal that we all

1135
01:46:37,260 --> 01:46:41,500
Just like kind of understand except the ones that don't um

1136
01:46:41,500 --> 01:46:46,780
And coming way back around some of them can make life a little uncomfortable to be a woman

1137
01:46:47,100 --> 01:46:49,820
Yeah, and I don't have to experience that which is great

1138
01:46:50,300 --> 01:46:56,140
and unfortunately AirPods might be limiting our ability to socially interact

1139
01:46:56,620 --> 01:47:03,020
and Third place would strive to be different somehow and probably would fail for that reason because people

1140
01:47:03,580 --> 01:47:06,620
people Like I said in the in that subreddit

1141
01:47:06,860 --> 01:47:15,660
They they liked it this way And wanted it this way and the whole third place and that's valid. It might end up a a pit of 300 dudes

1142
01:47:16,780 --> 01:47:20,780
That are all single everyone back in the pile and

1143
01:47:21,180 --> 01:47:24,460
And you know it might you might walk in that door

1144
01:47:26,940 --> 01:47:33,980
and Feel a little targeted when 600 eyeballs turn at you all all at once not to mention the other balls

1145
01:47:35,580 --> 01:47:40,220
Yeah pretty much So, yeah, I don't know. There's there's problems with these things

1146
01:47:40,300 --> 01:47:44,620
It is it is a tragedy that a lot of these third places are gone, but I I don't have an answer for it

1147
01:47:45,340 --> 01:47:48,620
Have we done a topic yet? one

1148
01:47:48,620 --> 01:47:53,980
Which I don't even know if we're actually done You are not we talked about the Linux stuff. Oh, I'm done

1149
01:47:54,940 --> 01:47:57,420
I don't have a lot to add. Yeah, I think um

1150
01:47:59,180 --> 01:48:06,300
There are some cozy things from mint that I miss Okay, but I'm fine so far as of right now everything that I've had to do

1151
01:48:07,020 --> 01:48:09,420
Has me not looking back towards Windows at all

1152
01:48:10,300 --> 01:48:16,620
I fully expect my final conclusion is going to be wanting to go back to Windows because I'm going to run into game compatibility issues

1153
01:48:16,860 --> 01:48:24,700
Um And honestly maybe because the team's experience is just so bad and I have to use teams so it just is what it is

1154
01:48:25,100 --> 01:48:27,420
Um, this is why I never look at youtube chat

1155
01:48:29,580 --> 01:48:35,180
I take the middle urinal. I love that awkward moment of silence when they have to decide whether or not to go next to you

1156
01:48:35,180 --> 01:48:39,900
Or go into a stall Actual monster

1157
01:48:39,980 --> 01:48:41,980
That

1158
01:48:44,940 --> 01:48:47,900
Feels like uh someone that we knew used to

1159
01:48:48,460 --> 01:48:54,540
vary their walking speed To be a little bit faster than you or a little bit slower than you just to see how you'd react

1160
01:48:55,740 --> 01:48:57,740
Do you know who we're talking about?

1161
01:48:59,500 --> 01:49:02,300
I can type it sure i'm gonna type it

1162
01:49:04,940 --> 01:49:06,940
That checks out

1163
01:49:09,980 --> 01:49:15,900
I didn't know that they did that it feel it feels like that type of thing just they just it's just the like social observation

1164
01:49:16,780 --> 01:49:25,260
They just want to see yeah, okay Yeah, um evan picked up on a tizm thing from me that I hadn't realized that I was still doing

1165
01:49:25,980 --> 01:49:31,980
Um, so like like years into my relationship. She finally acknowledged it out loud. She's like

1166
01:49:32,860 --> 01:49:38,060
Oh, yeah, you're doing that thing where you don't step on cracks. So it makes your it makes your gait really uneven

1167
01:49:38,620 --> 01:49:43,820
um But it's fine and I was like, oh god now. I'm like hyper aware of this

1168
01:49:45,420 --> 01:49:50,700
I do stuff like that all the time but that was that's not me doing it on purpose to find out how other people will react to it

1169
01:49:50,780 --> 01:49:56,940
Yeah, I don't think I even sort of hide that I'll like really dramatically like I'll either on purpose step on all of them

1170
01:49:57,020 --> 01:50:00,540
Or not step on them or something. I have to force myself to not I'm just thinking about it

1171
01:50:00,620 --> 01:50:04,940
Which makes me think about it a lot. That makes sense and then I just walk with very even

1172
01:50:06,060 --> 01:50:08,860
I actually try to walk in like super robotic

1173
01:50:09,900 --> 01:50:14,940
She's two inches shorter than me But women tend to have proportionally longer legs

1174
01:50:15,420 --> 01:50:19,900
Compared to their torsos. So our legs are almost exactly the same length. I'm an eyes are exactly same

1175
01:50:19,900 --> 01:50:24,780
Yeah, so we so so I can so if I pay attention to it at all

1176
01:50:25,180 --> 01:50:30,620
Then I uh, then I can just like walk completely and lockstep with her and then I and then I don't have to think about it as much

1177
01:50:30,860 --> 01:50:36,620
Because if we're attached Then I don't have to look down and think about where I'm stepping. I'm just a child when I walk

1178
01:50:36,780 --> 01:50:40,620
I'll jump on all the lines or avoid all the lines. I'll if there's like a little

1179
01:50:41,260 --> 01:50:44,380
You know, I don't know what you want to call it a little flat bit

1180
01:50:44,860 --> 01:50:50,460
Like stopping the you know dirt on a slope or something. I'll I'll try to walk on that nice

1181
01:50:51,260 --> 01:50:55,580
Who knows nice do whatever. Oh a puddle. Yeah, totally. That's me for sure

1182
01:50:56,620 --> 01:51:01,580
I'm about walking. I'm gonna have fun. Whatever Uh, what are we supposed to be doing?

1183
01:51:02,300 --> 01:51:09,340
The next topic some comms comms and cw time for some checkout messages

1184
01:51:09,580 --> 01:51:15,260
So our end of season sale is extended. Do you want to fire up LMG.gg slash end of season?

1185
01:51:15,740 --> 01:51:21,900
We are bumping the sale to 30 off. So if there's something you've been eyeing for a while

1186
01:51:22,220 --> 01:51:27,900
This is probably the moment to grab it. Um, we are clearing space for what's coming next

1187
01:51:27,900 --> 01:51:32,300
Which means you can get current season gear at off season pricing

1188
01:51:32,780 --> 01:51:38,620
Um, and then wear it now or stash it for next year or you can I mean wait and get

1189
01:51:39,340 --> 01:51:48,460
Other stuff later either way you win. I guess you can find the sale at LMG.gg slash end of season

1190
01:51:48,700 --> 01:51:53,500
Oh, there's only these ones left. Well, that's the thing about a clearance sale. Yeah. Yeah, so, uh

1191
01:51:54,220 --> 01:51:56,700
If you see something here that's in your size

1192
01:51:57,340 --> 01:52:01,260
You should probably order it now. Don't be don't be a luke

1193
01:52:01,900 --> 01:52:05,660
Don't make that noise I guess you knew what I was gonna say

1194
01:52:05,660 --> 01:52:11,340
I I keep I kept meaning meaning to uh request this and then I just kept forgetting to and now it's out of stock now

1195
01:52:11,340 --> 01:52:17,660
It's gone. I actually really wanted one. The last chance sale is also still live LMG.gg slash last chance

1196
01:52:18,380 --> 01:52:23,340
There's some really solid deals in here once these ones hit zero that's it shop the sale

1197
01:52:23,820 --> 01:52:27,180
Before it's gone. We've got the polo shirt. We've got the dropout hoodie

1198
01:52:27,980 --> 01:52:33,340
We've got the not a hot dog v-neck t-shirt. I like that one some bundles

1199
01:52:33,900 --> 01:52:37,100
There's a lot of really good backpack. Wow, some of these bundles are wide now. Yeah

1200
01:52:37,820 --> 01:52:43,660
So go check that out. Finally, we're keeping the buy more save more deal on all of our blank teas

1201
01:52:44,060 --> 01:52:48,140
Because we get it when you find something that fits well and just works it makes sense to grab a couple

1202
01:52:48,380 --> 01:52:52,140
Maybe in a few different colors and then call your war draw wardrobe optimized

1203
01:52:52,220 --> 01:52:58,700
You can check it out at LMG.gg slash blank tea is buy more save more the more you buy the more you save it's girl math

1204
01:52:59,660 --> 01:53:03,820
You know, you love it Okay, here you go

1205
01:53:04,380 --> 01:53:12,220
Two shirts is 45 Three is 60 four is 75 is 80. Yeah. Dang. Yeah, that's a pretty good deal. Yeah

1206
01:53:12,940 --> 01:53:16,620
High quality shirts. All right and

1207
01:53:16,620 --> 01:53:19,980
When you're placing your order Hey, you might want to send a checkout message

1208
01:53:20,220 --> 01:53:25,500
The way these work is you just add something to your card on lttstore.com and it will go to

1209
01:53:26,380 --> 01:53:30,700
producer din If you guys are gonna throw money at your screen to

1210
01:53:31,500 --> 01:53:36,620
check To check If you guys are gonna throw money at your screen to interact with us on the show

1211
01:53:36,620 --> 01:53:40,060
We figure you might as well get high quality merchandise in return

1212
01:53:40,460 --> 01:53:44,780
Like say for example the lawsuit hoodie that luke had out just now so in the cart

1213
01:53:45,180 --> 01:53:50,300
You can say whether you want your name to appear or not. You can choose a color scheme and

1214
01:53:52,700 --> 01:53:59,260
Oh my god You go ahead and place your order and it'll go to Dan who will reply to it or who will

1215
01:53:59,740 --> 01:54:05,420
Forward it internally or who will just kind of pop it up, you know somewhere or who will curate it for me and luke

1216
01:54:05,820 --> 01:54:08,460
On the show so want to show them a couple curated ones Dan

1217
01:54:08,860 --> 01:54:15,500
Yeah, sure. We've got a bunch here already Last week you talked about apple headphones on Android with updates

1218
01:54:15,820 --> 01:54:21,980
What's your take on samsung only supporting 3d spatial audio on its own headphones?

1219
01:54:22,220 --> 01:54:24,540
I use sony and it has no support for it

1220
01:54:25,900 --> 01:54:28,620
Generally samsung's fault generally speaking

1221
01:54:29,420 --> 01:54:33,580
Vendor lock is not something that i'm a huge fan of

1222
01:54:34,700 --> 01:54:41,420
However 3d spatial audio are we talking the kind where it knows where it is

1223
01:54:42,540 --> 01:54:49,660
Relative to the position of your device. Do we know that this is samsung's fault or is this something that they specifically had to build

1224
01:54:50,620 --> 01:54:57,420
for Like on their hardware in order to make it work. I I legitimately don't know my new pair of headphones

1225
01:54:57,500 --> 01:55:01,820
I'm just asking spatial audio like you've described and it works with literally anything

1226
01:55:02,060 --> 01:55:07,580
Okay But is that because they did a bunch of extra work or is it because samsung specifically?

1227
01:55:07,660 --> 01:55:13,660
I guess what i'm asking is did samsung specifically lock it out or did they just not put in the work

1228
01:55:16,060 --> 01:55:19,020
That I don't know that I don't know in general though

1229
01:55:19,340 --> 01:55:25,260
No, I consider that to be a downer if they are selling these headphones as having 3d spatial audio

1230
01:55:25,820 --> 01:55:28,940
and It only works on a samsung phone

1231
01:55:29,900 --> 01:55:33,900
It's it's it's a pretty crummy user experience. I want to be able to

1232
01:55:34,540 --> 01:55:43,020
I want to be able to mix and match. I don't want to have to Buy my next phone from samsung just because my headphones happen to be from samsung and I really like 3d spatial audio

1233
01:55:43,420 --> 01:55:46,780
I don't happen to really like 3d spatial audio. So it's not a big issue for me

1234
01:55:47,340 --> 01:55:53,420
But your mileage may certainly vary on that. I know some people like it Dan. I do you like 3d spatial audio?

1235
01:55:53,660 --> 01:55:58,300
I have never used the feature So no, I don't need

1236
01:55:58,620 --> 01:56:03,340
Okay Cool. I mean I have you not use the feature because you don't like it or do you

1237
01:56:03,660 --> 01:56:07,100
I don't use it because it's I don't like it got it fine with stereo

1238
01:56:07,340 --> 01:56:14,700
I did try one that was like 3d in a space that was kind of neat like it was kind of more

1239
01:56:16,140 --> 01:56:18,700
Now it's kind of sounds like you're in a good room

1240
01:56:19,340 --> 01:56:23,660
Which is a little different. Oh, yeah, but that's different like that's just like a type of it

1241
01:56:23,900 --> 01:56:27,180
But not the like that's like your head. It's coming from speakers

1242
01:56:27,420 --> 01:56:34,220
Yeah, but that's like a dsp thing. That's like the good old-fashioned eax. Remember eax. Yeah, we're just regressing

1243
01:56:34,300 --> 01:56:37,900
I guess you could play around with the eax profiles in the in the

1244
01:56:38,300 --> 01:56:45,260
train station and my music sounds worse Dude, I remember yeah, right like I'd always I'd play around with it for 30 seconds just like that

1245
01:56:45,660 --> 01:56:49,580
And then I'd be like, well, this is stupid. I guess I'll just not use this anymore

1246
01:56:50,060 --> 01:56:52,220
I was like, uh, pretty much. Yeah, you know

1247
01:56:53,180 --> 01:56:58,300
Vaporwave played in a dead mall from another room and you're having in a hallucinatory episode

1248
01:56:58,620 --> 01:57:05,100
That kind of genre before that was cool could have your mp3 player play that your mp5 player or whatever

1249
01:57:08,460 --> 01:57:14,780
Anyone else, uh, anyone else? Yeah chat's not all excited about 3d spatial audio. That's for sure

1250
01:57:15,340 --> 01:57:18,780
So if it's vendor locked for a feature that you think is dumb, does that matter?

1251
01:57:19,580 --> 01:57:24,300
Oh, yeah, it still matters because it's the principle of the thing, you know

1252
01:57:28,220 --> 01:57:31,500
Ah Yeah, like if you have like a

1253
01:57:33,260 --> 01:57:39,180
I don't know you have a a lollipop where if you press a button and it makes it taste like cum then like

1254
01:57:40,460 --> 01:57:43,340
Sure, most people probably don't want that

1255
01:57:44,060 --> 01:57:51,020
But if you arbitrarily you never lock it out to only iphone users because you assume maybe they just

1256
01:57:51,660 --> 01:57:55,340
You know like the taste of corporate dong then like

1257
01:57:57,180 --> 01:58:03,900
That's not that's not your decision to make for them. They should Android users should be allowed to love corporate dong too. Yeah

1258
01:58:04,860 --> 01:58:10,060
Some of them some of them for sure do I suspect that product would have a very small but extremely dedicated audience

1259
01:58:11,020 --> 01:58:13,020
I bet it wouldn't be as small as you

1260
01:58:18,380 --> 01:58:23,580
Could you like upload a taste profile eq your throat

1261
01:58:31,260 --> 01:58:35,980
Just leave a couple beats there, uh, would you want another one? Yeah, anything

1262
01:58:36,940 --> 01:58:42,460
No Look, please give us a mini networking infrastructure lesson

1263
01:58:43,100 --> 01:58:47,980
Why is running a vpn has me gold mine, but serving video is a money pit

1264
01:58:48,220 --> 01:58:56,220
Oh, that's actually that's actually a pretty good question Are users watching videos on a vpn and not just as bandwidth expensive?

1265
01:58:56,860 --> 01:58:58,860
It's just not as um

1266
01:59:00,540 --> 01:59:04,140
I don't know the I can't remember the the the vpn

1267
01:59:04,220 --> 01:59:11,820
But there's a vpn that gives a lot of public data, which is how we figured a lot of this information out on the cost of benefit

1268
01:59:12,780 --> 01:59:18,540
Um, what's the wind one wind scribe, but uh, oh that sounds right. Um

1269
01:59:20,300 --> 01:59:28,940
vpn based in canada they're based in canada that's no that sounds right It was a canadian one of them correctly. Yeah wind scribe wind scribe current status. Maybe

1270
01:59:29,900 --> 01:59:35,980
There's two users. This sounds like this looks like the right page. Um, maybe there's more information here

1271
01:59:35,980 --> 01:59:41,180
But you can yeah, you can see the network utilization the current users and the registered users

1272
01:59:42,220 --> 01:59:45,340
And and basically what the effective

1273
01:59:46,380 --> 01:59:50,140
Oh Is this I feel like there might have been

1274
01:59:51,260 --> 01:59:58,060
More information on this in the past or maybe i'm tripping or maybe there was some other way we got it, but but basically

1275
01:59:59,420 --> 02:00:06,060
The the vibe that we got Is that it kind of seems like a lot of people turn the vpn on

1276
02:00:07,740 --> 02:00:14,860
Put the hat on Do some pirate hat wearing things and then turn the vpn off and often turn the vpn off

1277
02:00:15,340 --> 02:00:19,260
Pretty much all the time the average utilization of vpns

1278
02:00:19,980 --> 02:00:26,380
Does not seem very high because the the experience of browsing with a vpn sucks. It's just constant captures

1279
02:00:27,100 --> 02:00:33,420
Slower browsing speeds. Yeah, and unless you are wearing your tricorn hat

1280
02:00:33,820 --> 02:00:37,580
Yeah The vast majority of the things that you do online

1281
02:00:38,380 --> 02:00:48,300
um Unless you're really really like really trying to avoid anyone, you know fingerprinting or or creating an advertising profile for you, which i am

1282
02:00:49,820 --> 02:00:55,180
Not convinced that most people are willing to put in the work to actively avoid

1283
02:00:55,340 --> 02:01:01,260
Yeah, I I just I I don't see the I don't see the point of it if i'm not traveling

1284
02:01:01,820 --> 02:01:05,180
Or like where I need to get around like a great firewall of some sort

1285
02:01:05,980 --> 02:01:08,460
Or if i'm not downloading something sketchy

1286
02:01:09,660 --> 02:01:17,740
I don't have my vpn on Yeah, and that's I think the vast majority of people and the huge gaps between that allow them to save a lot of money

1287
02:01:18,140 --> 02:01:22,380
uh, there's also like I

1288
02:01:22,780 --> 02:01:27,980
Think the quality of service is not expected to be super high to be completely honest

1289
02:01:28,300 --> 02:01:33,660
Like if if you're watching a video and the next chunk doesn't show up, you're immediately pissed off

1290
02:01:33,820 --> 02:01:39,900
You're immediately messaging support. You're mad. Yeah, there was a buffer. What are you talking? What is 2026?

1291
02:01:40,220 --> 02:01:47,500
Which is fair enough But if you're using a vpn and you're torrenting something which is specifically someone said in chat is like, oh, that's a lot of data through torrents though

1292
02:01:48,460 --> 02:01:50,540
Because because if people are mostly just pirating stuff

1293
02:01:52,220 --> 02:01:55,180
First of all, you're probably not really staring at it the whole time it's downloading anyways

1294
02:01:55,260 --> 02:02:00,940
And it's a torrent you're going to expect a lot of ups and downs So if a little bit of that comes from the vpn, it's probably fine

1295
02:02:01,180 --> 02:02:05,020
So there's like the quality of service expectation is in the dirt

1296
02:02:05,420 --> 02:02:09,820
And the amount that people are just not actually even using the service is in the dirt

1297
02:02:10,140 --> 02:02:13,020
There's a ton of people that have subscriptions and aren't even using them

1298
02:02:13,980 --> 02:02:19,260
If you don't have a subscription, by the way, now seems like as good an opportunity as any to talk about the

1299
02:02:19,980 --> 02:02:23,420
Really good deal you can get on pia vpn Pia

1300
02:02:23,420 --> 02:02:28,780
Linus tech tips link Dan do you want to throw the link in the various chats? Sure thing. Cool. Good. Oh, hey, it's you

1301
02:02:29,340 --> 02:02:33,260
I didn't know this was like our own thing. Yeah Look at him

1302
02:02:33,260 --> 02:02:37,740
Look at that. Linus tech tips fans save more with pia vpn. You don't even have to be a fan to save more

1303
02:02:37,740 --> 02:02:41,980
You can just click this link. That's true. You could hate me and still save more. That's true

1304
02:02:42,220 --> 02:02:51,020
Yep But yeah, it seems to just be that people's usage of vpns is really low and we we talked to a couple people in the industry we

1305
02:02:52,140 --> 02:02:58,380
We poked around that I think it was wind scribe and a few other different sites that were like very transparent about things

1306
02:02:59,180 --> 02:03:01,180
And we were like, oh wow people really

1307
02:03:02,460 --> 02:03:08,300
Don't be using this too much compared to the amount of like actually, you know currently registered users connected users

1308
02:03:08,460 --> 02:03:13,660
It was very interesting to see the connected users versus network utilization

1309
02:03:14,060 --> 02:03:20,540
And the registered versus connected users I I don't remember but I think we figured out someone got the gi joe reference. Yeah

1310
02:03:20,620 --> 02:03:26,540
For some reason pia in my head just always sounds like gi joe, but it's pia. I don't know why

1311
02:03:27,420 --> 02:03:29,420
I do that all the time

1312
02:03:32,140 --> 02:03:37,100
Yeah, see that's that's what people do with nps. They download something real quick and then they stop using it for a month

1313
02:03:38,620 --> 02:03:47,020
I Don't know how many people understand what we're talking about right now. I only care about the people who get the reference

1314
02:03:47,820 --> 02:03:51,420
Everybody else can leave. I want to be alone with them bottom massage machine go

1315
02:04:00,540 --> 02:04:05,260
Yeah, so but it basically what we learned was a lot of people pay for it

1316
02:04:05,580 --> 02:04:08,940
Yeah, a lot of people pay a decent amount for it. Yeah

1317
02:04:09,660 --> 02:04:16,220
And a lot of people Don't really use it that much whereas Floatplane. I think our usage is actually pretty high usage is pretty high

1318
02:04:16,460 --> 02:04:19,660
Every subscription service you're gonna have I don't remember what they call it

1319
02:04:19,740 --> 02:04:24,620
But people who have subscribed and are basically dead accounts where they just like they don't check their credit card that much

1320
02:04:24,700 --> 02:04:28,300
And they've just been paying but they don't actually use the service every service has that

1321
02:04:28,620 --> 02:04:35,100
R seems to have a lot of active users. I'm not complaining about that at all. It's almost like we it's almost like we advocate for

1322
02:04:35,340 --> 02:04:40,300
You know not wasting your money. I would rather you did. I want you to use Floatplane. I want you to enjoy it

1323
02:04:41,260 --> 02:04:45,500
and But vpns are kind of it feels like the opposite end of the spectrum

1324
02:04:45,580 --> 02:04:49,500
Yeah, I had someone make a comment to me that the smash champs business model

1325
02:04:50,380 --> 02:04:57,340
Will probably struggle from the people who buy the annual premium membership and play like six seven days a week

1326
02:04:57,340 --> 02:05:01,820
I'm like bro. No, that's what we want. Yeah, we want people here every day

1327
02:05:01,900 --> 02:05:06,220
We want we want this to be a community vpns are also and I mean

1328
02:05:07,340 --> 02:05:11,900
Like all of them as far as I know, so I'm not signaling any of them out and I do think I'm actually talking about paa

1329
02:05:12,300 --> 02:05:15,580
It's way more expensive to subscribe for one month

1330
02:05:16,060 --> 02:05:22,700
Compared to subscribing for longer periods of time. Well, yeah So if you at least totally makes sense the business model totally makes sense

1331
02:05:22,860 --> 02:05:26,700
But it creates a situation where it's like if you didn't use a vpn at all that month

1332
02:05:27,580 --> 02:05:30,700
But you might next month You don't really want to cancel it

1333
02:05:30,700 --> 02:05:34,780
So a lot of people would just have vpn subscriptions Even if they don't use it for four or five months at a time

1334
02:05:34,940 --> 02:05:42,940
And then you might have a spike in usage where they're like I'm going to download a ton of stuff and they connect it and do a ton of torrents and download things overnight or whatever

1335
02:05:42,940 --> 02:05:46,700
Every Linux iso like we're doing the Linux challenge right now. So we needed so many Linux

1336
02:05:46,700 --> 02:05:49,660
I had to download every single Linux iso and every version

1337
02:05:50,140 --> 02:05:53,020
Yeah, every season. Yep of popo

1338
02:05:53,740 --> 02:05:59,980
But but yeah, mulvad has flat billing that's cool. I don't know

1339
02:06:00,540 --> 02:06:04,780
Like some of them are big like game of mint has like so many seasons

1340
02:06:10,860 --> 02:06:14,780
That's cool that they have flat pricing archerton, but arch very nice

1341
02:06:15,820 --> 02:06:20,700
But but yeah, it's it's very common that people don't want to cancel because now they might need it or

1342
02:06:21,260 --> 02:06:24,620
Even if say the mulvad thing where apparently they have flat pricing, which is neat

1343
02:06:26,300 --> 02:06:29,580
Even then you might not want to cancel because yeah, you're gonna have to go subscribe again

1344
02:06:29,580 --> 02:06:32,780
If you need it and you might need it next week or something. So I'll just leave it

1345
02:06:32,780 --> 02:06:36,940
It's only like five bucks. There's a lot of the I'll just leave it going on with vpn

1346
02:06:37,020 --> 02:06:42,620
I've had an active subscription to paa in spite of the fact that they're like an affiliate of ours for like

1347
02:06:43,260 --> 02:06:47,420
10 years or something like that because it's just more convenient to just kind of have it. Yeah

1348
02:06:48,140 --> 02:06:53,660
Um fire cat speaking of convenience decided it was more convenient to type this into

1349
02:06:54,700 --> 02:06:59,100
chat instead of into A search engine

1350
02:06:59,100 --> 02:07:02,140
So I save them the work. Yes paa works on Linux

1351
02:07:04,860 --> 02:07:09,420
That's that's one that I I have a real hard time wrapping my brain around. Um

1352
02:07:10,460 --> 02:07:13,660
But there you go. You got your answer and you got noticed so

1353
02:07:14,540 --> 02:07:18,860
It's double accomplishment. I feel like it's beginning. He's slowly becoming a Linux, bro

1354
02:07:19,420 --> 02:07:23,740
Me? Yeah, hold on. Hold on. Don't make me pull this out. Why did you read them?

1355
02:07:23,980 --> 02:07:28,300
Just send them a link to the wiki. Don't make me pull this out. Don't make me pull this out

1356
02:07:29,180 --> 02:07:36,860
What is this bad now? What is this? Is it just not hgbs? I don't think it's hcbs certificate date invalid

1357
02:07:37,420 --> 02:07:39,420
Oof

1358
02:07:43,340 --> 02:07:45,340
It's probably fine

1359
02:07:46,380 --> 02:07:50,380
I won't let them see me do it. It's probably oh no normally uses encryption

1360
02:07:50,860 --> 02:07:56,460
When chrome tried to connect to it for you the website sent back unusual and incorrect credentials

1361
02:07:57,580 --> 02:08:03,580
Um You cannot visit it right now. Oh wait, why is it dot app?

1362
02:08:04,300 --> 02:08:13,020
What the heck just happened? Oh, did you get sponsor linked? Is it dot app? No, it's not sponsored. Has it always been dot app?

1363
02:08:14,540 --> 02:08:16,540
Shut up

1364
02:08:20,460 --> 02:08:35,020
Dude, it's been years since I've tried to use this Okay, is it just let me let me google that.com. No, this is also just let me google that

1365
02:08:37,420 --> 02:08:39,740
Let me google that.com. I'll share my screen. Wait

1366
02:08:42,460 --> 02:08:45,100
Let me google that.com interesting. Let me

1367
02:08:45,980 --> 02:08:50,620
Google that for you.com here. Hold on. I'm coming back to me for a second here

1368
02:08:51,340 --> 02:08:57,820
Also goes to lmgtfy.com and also has the uh certificate invalid issue

1369
02:08:58,540 --> 02:09:00,540
Go figure. All right

1370
02:09:02,140 --> 02:09:06,700
Anyway, yeah, so this is what it does if you're not familiar is it just puts up a little cursor and then

1371
02:09:07,580 --> 02:09:09,580
Types it for you and then oh interesting

1372
02:09:12,220 --> 02:09:15,180
It still shows the sponsored results though in spite of being

1373
02:09:15,660 --> 02:09:19,340
Whatever g private is have you never heard of g private?

1374
02:09:19,820 --> 02:09:23,020
What is g private? Are we on are we on a little side quest?

1375
02:09:25,020 --> 02:09:30,780
Simple untracked private search google search, but it's 100 private learn more

1376
02:09:32,540 --> 02:09:36,940
Okay Take our word for it or like

1377
02:09:37,180 --> 02:09:39,180
Well

1378
02:09:40,700 --> 02:09:46,220
Like what what what what is this I have no idea committed to protecting your privacy

1379
02:09:47,260 --> 02:09:54,380
add affiliate disclosure James Lacey of the shop wise group is owner of g private.com

1380
02:09:55,980 --> 02:09:58,300
Okay, all right cool

1381
02:09:59,900 --> 02:10:04,060
Here's this postal code Sure. Oh boy

1382
02:10:04,060 --> 02:10:08,380
Well, no, this is right. It's right on the site. It's in the privacy page right there

1383
02:10:09,100 --> 02:10:11,660
I I didn't I that's probably a p.o. Box

1384
02:10:12,540 --> 02:10:14,540
sure

1385
02:10:16,140 --> 02:10:18,940
All right, should we maybe do some topics nope

1386
02:10:20,300 --> 02:10:26,460
Wikipedia Has blocked archive.today and started removing

1387
02:10:26,940 --> 02:10:32,540
Over 690,000 archive links from the pedia

1388
02:10:33,420 --> 02:10:37,660
Um citing security risks and reliability issues

1389
02:10:38,380 --> 02:10:44,060
The decision followed reports that archive.today's operator. This is freaking wild

1390
02:10:44,060 --> 02:10:47,420
Like I I've used archive today to get past paywalls before

1391
02:10:47,900 --> 02:10:50,700
Because I just want to read that one article and I'm sorry. I'm not

1392
02:10:51,500 --> 02:10:53,500
I think a lot of people use it for that

1393
02:10:56,220 --> 02:11:01,660
Yeah, that's a self decided totally okay. Um and and I mean look

1394
02:11:03,340 --> 02:11:05,740
I actually I'm not going to argue that that one's okay

1395
02:11:06,380 --> 02:11:12,860
Because a huge part of the decay of the quality of our journalism has been people's unwillingness to pay for it

1396
02:11:13,100 --> 02:11:18,700
Yeah, but it is pretty tough when I came across one article. I wanted to read on a site

1397
02:11:19,660 --> 02:11:22,700
in the last year

1398
02:11:22,700 --> 02:11:27,980
And this is the first one and I'm just like Yeah, I don't know. I don't think that's going to happen today. So

1399
02:11:28,860 --> 02:11:35,820
archive today Sometimes that's what happens today is something that I have used and looking at this

1400
02:11:35,980 --> 02:11:41,100
I am now deeply uncomfortable ever using it again. Let's talk about that

1401
02:11:41,980 --> 02:11:46,780
The operator embedded malicious code into captcha pages

1402
02:11:47,500 --> 02:11:52,460
Allegedly using visitors web traffic to help generate a ddos attack

1403
02:11:52,940 --> 02:11:57,180
Against a blog called gyro veg run by janny

1404
02:11:57,660 --> 02:12:03,580
Patokalio who published research about the background of the operator behind the archive

1405
02:12:05,100 --> 02:12:10,220
Editors also reported that some archived snapshots. This is actually

1406
02:12:11,420 --> 02:12:15,180
Okay, we could probably have a really long conversation

1407
02:12:15,820 --> 02:12:17,820
About which of these things are worse

1408
02:12:18,860 --> 02:12:28,380
And I don't think there's a wrong answer Yeah, but I feel on my initial reaction that this next part is actually worse

1409
02:12:29,660 --> 02:12:38,620
Editors also reported and we're talking wikipedia editors. Oh, yeah that some of the archived snapshots on archive dot today were altered

1410
02:12:39,180 --> 02:12:47,100
Including a case where the credited author of a blog post was reportedly changed within an archived capture

1411
02:12:48,060 --> 02:12:56,060
This Combined with an absolutely bonkers set of threats made from the operator toward janny patokalio

1412
02:12:57,100 --> 02:13:01,100
Including the threat of a gyro veg branded gay dating app

1413
02:13:02,060 --> 02:13:08,060
Made wikipedia editors determined that the service posed reputational and security risks

1414
02:13:08,060 --> 02:13:13,100
Which when I first read just the subject line of this happening not in not in the whandock

1415
02:13:13,100 --> 02:13:16,700
I read this a bit ago, but when I when I read the subject line of this happening

1416
02:13:16,700 --> 02:13:22,060
I was like what that sucks and then I read more into it. I was like, whoa, that makes a lot of sense

1417
02:13:23,100 --> 02:13:29,660
This is really important Archive dot today is not the internet archive. Yeah, they are two different things

1418
02:13:30,220 --> 02:13:32,540
So far the internet archive

1419
02:13:33,260 --> 02:13:38,140
Has has not and that that includes the wayback machine has not done anything

1420
02:13:38,540 --> 02:13:43,340
To make us question their their integrity and credibility that group. Yeah

1421
02:13:44,220 --> 02:13:47,900
archive today just completely

1422
02:13:48,940 --> 02:13:53,900
Obliterated whatever goodwill they might have had because your entire your entire

1423
02:13:54,620 --> 02:13:57,500
raison d'etre as as an archival

1424
02:13:59,340 --> 02:14:02,540
Um Well archive damn it

1425
02:14:02,540 --> 02:14:08,860
I painted myself into a bit of a corner there And it kind of sucks because a lot of these archive sites have been like amazing for so long

1426
02:14:08,860 --> 02:14:16,060
Like internet archive is so based. Sorry. I didn't finish that sentence, but your entire value is that we trust you

1427
02:14:17,260 --> 02:14:22,380
To to be an accurate record of what we otherwise might have lost. Yeah

1428
02:14:23,020 --> 02:14:30,140
You're supposed to be Built on a rock solid foundation of truth and accuracy. That's that's the whole point

1429
02:14:30,700 --> 02:14:36,780
Is that things are not forgotten and lost and and allowed to be obfuscated or gaslit in the future

1430
02:14:37,260 --> 02:14:41,340
So if you're gonna do that You're cooked. Yeah

1431
02:14:42,140 --> 02:14:48,140
Like wayback machine has been used as like hard fact for a long time. Yeah, and like yeah

1432
02:14:49,020 --> 02:14:51,820
And it has to be that if it's anything other than that

1433
02:14:52,540 --> 02:14:54,700
Then it's worthless now. Yeah

1434
02:14:56,220 --> 02:14:59,740
It's rough totally understand the decision and agree with in my opinion

1435
02:15:00,140 --> 02:15:03,180
You can't uh, you can't do those things. You can't associate with those things

1436
02:15:03,180 --> 02:15:07,020
You can't associate with an archive that's editing data. Like it just doesn't work

1437
02:15:07,500 --> 02:15:12,620
That's that's crazy fundamentally doesn't work Also, like I have no idea if this is the case

1438
02:15:12,700 --> 02:15:18,460
But like I have noticed times when I go to archive a page and it seems like it's like doing a lot

1439
02:15:18,940 --> 02:15:23,180
For a long time. I wonder if my connection was being used for a didos attack

1440
02:15:24,140 --> 02:15:31,740
It says it was incapsis though But then like like have you ever actually tried to submit a page for archival? No, okay

1441
02:15:32,060 --> 02:15:34,940
It does like a whole bunch of stuff which kind of

1442
02:15:35,900 --> 02:15:41,500
And I don't I don't know the exact mechanism that it uses because I've just it's just like compressing never looked it up

1443
02:15:41,500 --> 02:15:48,060
I've never figured it out But what I assume is that it's easier for them to grab the assets through you and have you upload to them

1444
02:15:48,860 --> 02:15:54,140
Rather than you just flag it to them and they try to download it because they would probably get they'd probably get flagged for all

1445
02:15:54,140 --> 02:15:59,980
The archive requests that they're doing That's that's my assumption, but I really kind of interesting now don't know that

1446
02:16:00,460 --> 02:16:04,140
Um, but there's been times when it's taken a really long time

1447
02:16:04,540 --> 02:16:09,420
For just like a text page and I haven't really fully understood why that would be and I wonder if

1448
02:16:10,540 --> 02:16:14,220
If you know my my upload was used

1449
02:16:14,860 --> 02:16:17,580
For this in some way. I don't I don't know I don't have a single clue

1450
02:16:18,060 --> 02:16:22,220
Me neither a nip less cage asks. Why would one archive a page?

1451
02:16:22,700 --> 02:16:32,780
So reasons to archive include Logging changes before they happen. So this has come up a lot recently with the doj in the us's publication of the epstein files

1452
02:16:33,100 --> 02:16:39,260
There's been a lot. There's there's a huge tech conversation that somehow we have

1453
02:16:40,140 --> 02:16:43,500
Not had around the the epstein files

1454
02:16:44,060 --> 02:16:50,780
Around preservation of data and government censorship and government manipulation of data

1455
02:16:51,580 --> 02:17:00,140
There's been multiple documented cases where they have made changes to either the redactions or in some cases

1456
02:17:00,540 --> 02:17:04,620
By removing data that was originally published in order to

1457
02:17:06,460 --> 02:17:08,460
Make it more difficult to find

1458
02:17:11,980 --> 02:17:19,340
So yeah, that's a good reason I've done some personal archiving but I haven't submitted something for archiving like I know there was uh

1459
02:17:19,740 --> 02:17:24,620
There was a particular video not that long ago that said some particularly disgusting things

1460
02:17:25,180 --> 02:17:29,420
And I didn't actually want that person to be able to get away with just like pulling it down or whatever

1461
02:17:29,980 --> 02:17:35,980
So I myself downloaded and I had multiple other people downloaded as well. I think I have that video. Yeah

1462
02:17:36,940 --> 02:17:42,780
So like Uh, there are things like that that I've done. Yeah, but I it's it's always been a personal effort

1463
02:17:42,780 --> 02:17:48,380
I haven't submitted for archive anything another really good reason is it can just be kind of a fun time capsule

1464
02:17:48,620 --> 02:17:52,860
Oh, totally going and browsing NCix.com from 2005

1465
02:17:53,980 --> 02:17:59,340
Is both fun and also educational NCx.com on the way back machine is wild. It's pretty fun

1466
02:17:59,660 --> 02:18:03,340
And so being able to see accurate like definitely accurate

1467
02:18:03,420 --> 02:18:06,220
Which is again why the trust is so important accurate pricing

1468
02:18:06,700 --> 02:18:11,500
From back then being able to call back specs see how it was marketed

1469
02:18:12,060 --> 02:18:17,260
Right, that's something that's not going to be captured on an incredible resource like tech power ups

1470
02:18:17,740 --> 02:18:22,300
You know GPU. What what do they call it? They're like GPU. I don't know, but it's awesome index

1471
02:18:22,940 --> 02:18:29,580
Um, but that won't be captured there. You won't see what the retail pricing was you won't see what the product photos looked like

1472
02:18:30,460 --> 02:18:37,500
So so an archived snapshot of the site from that time is irreplaceable in that way nothing else can do that

1473
02:18:38,220 --> 02:18:44,380
Another reason would be to circumvent paywalls. I mean I already kind of talked about that is they have their

1474
02:18:44,860 --> 02:18:48,860
their vays of downloading the entire page and then

1475
02:18:50,540 --> 02:18:53,820
Just making that available without any kind of like scroll to

1476
02:18:55,260 --> 02:18:57,420
Sign up to keep reading or whatever else

1477
02:18:58,300 --> 02:19:03,260
What do you what do you what are you up to over there? I'm loading NCx from 2005. Oh, yeah, baby

1478
02:19:04,620 --> 02:19:08,140
Get that lexmark z705 color inkjet printer

1479
02:19:09,260 --> 02:19:15,100
Pentium four This is man, dude. This is what i'm talking about though. Where's some RAM can I get some RAM?

1480
02:19:16,380 --> 02:19:21,980
People people are so upset about how expensive tech is and i'm just like bro. It's like

1481
02:19:23,180 --> 02:19:29,500
Yeah, it was always it was always expensive 512 megs for 162 bucks. Let's go

1482
02:19:30,940 --> 02:19:35,420
Hyper x baby Get that coarser value select buddy. That's

1483
02:19:36,220 --> 02:19:39,260
That's the move coarser value select

1484
02:19:39,820 --> 02:19:45,900
These old kingston hyper x like blue with the with the silver like pincher things on it

1485
02:19:46,300 --> 02:19:52,700
Those are legendary. That ain't nothing compared to my uh, my ocz platinum though one gig

1486
02:19:53,180 --> 02:19:58,220
Get that platinum super super mirror silver heat spreader

1487
02:20:00,300 --> 02:20:03,980
And that was uh, that was back before they were honeychuling to save on material

1488
02:20:04,460 --> 02:20:09,340
Mushkin still exists fun fact. I know they just because of ncx. They don't in my brain

1489
02:20:09,580 --> 02:20:14,700
Yeah, because ncx is gone They were like ncx was like my only portal to muskine products

1490
02:20:14,780 --> 02:20:20,620
How cool would it be if we could bring back ncix.com? I'd still love to do it. They'd be pretty sick

1491
02:20:21,260 --> 02:20:27,980
There was way back machine snapshots from 2026. What's going on on nci of ncix. Yeah, let me let me oh, no

1492
02:20:27,980 --> 02:20:31,500
I think it's still a thing Didn't someone try to

1493
02:20:31,500 --> 02:20:36,140
I think someone tried to bring it back January 23rd. There's a snapshot. Ew

1494
02:20:36,540 --> 02:20:39,100
Let's see what it is. Is it just some ai junk?

1495
02:20:40,300 --> 02:20:43,980
Oh my god. No, no, no, don't look don't look don't look. Okay. This is crazy

1496
02:20:44,940 --> 02:20:46,940
This is this is crazy. Check this out

1497
02:20:48,620 --> 02:20:53,260
Wait, what was that first one? Wait, what the it redirected to this? Oh, it was worse before

1498
02:20:54,700 --> 02:20:57,420
Oh, the last one was a you. Oh wait. Yeah, there it is

1499
02:21:00,380 --> 02:21:02,380
That's crazy

1500
02:21:04,460 --> 02:21:09,260
Oh Man

1501
02:21:09,740 --> 02:21:13,820
What I've never heard of this thing

1502
02:21:14,300 --> 02:21:17,820
I mean it looks horrible It kind of does

1503
02:21:17,820 --> 02:21:21,740
Oh, well, it looks absolutely horrible. Do you want anime bobs?

1504
02:21:23,100 --> 02:21:25,100
What if we showed you anime bobs?

1505
02:21:27,660 --> 02:21:32,460
Sure Gonna have my junk throw away email. Yeah

1506
02:21:34,460 --> 02:21:42,060
This looks like an uh, no, I was I'm sorry. I'm having troubles responding right now. Please try again later

1507
02:21:42,940 --> 02:21:47,820
a little cost-free Uh, I mean, I didn't I didn't I didn't say anything bro

1508
02:21:49,980 --> 02:21:55,900
Ask me. Okay. Um, what would Linus think about being on this site?

1509
02:21:57,180 --> 02:22:00,620
Uh, any enter doesn't send. Oh my god enter doesn't send

1510
02:22:01,580 --> 02:22:06,380
Uh There's one login. It's keeper. Oh, dude

1511
02:22:07,820 --> 02:22:09,820
Keeper on the on the two factor

1512
02:22:10,940 --> 02:22:19,100
Enter doesn't confirm it. Oh, really? It drives me on desktop. It drives me nuts weird. Anyway, hold on. I'll increment the counter

1513
02:22:21,100 --> 02:22:24,220
Okay, you should hold up. Oh my

1514
02:22:25,580 --> 02:22:33,900
Oh gosh Uh, which Linus are we talking about here? We well, he definitely wouldn't use alarm or

1515
02:22:34,780 --> 02:22:41,180
Yeah, uh emergency light emoji the Linux kernel daddy Linus torvolds would absolutely hate being on

1516
02:22:41,740 --> 02:22:45,020
This site if it's any social media cesspool

1517
02:22:46,140 --> 02:22:48,620
Dude straight up called is this trying to like

1518
02:22:50,780 --> 02:22:54,460
Is this the is this the way this site thinks I would talk?

1519
02:22:54,780 --> 02:23:01,180
Uh, I guess a disease that encourages bad behavior spills energy drink

1520
02:23:02,060 --> 02:23:12,460
Wait, but if you mean me Linus Sebastian from LTT, I'd be like sponsor block activated, but only if they send a 4090

1521
02:23:14,940 --> 02:23:19,340
Torvolds tried google plus once because it was less mindless, but bailed

1522
02:23:20,300 --> 02:23:23,020
So it goes back to talking about torvolds again

1523
02:23:23,820 --> 02:23:27,500
Yvonne's take just use FaceTime boomers

1524
02:23:29,740 --> 02:23:38,780
Verdict This is that's brutal so stupid. That's actually just not good

1525
02:23:43,980 --> 02:23:45,980
Yikes

1526
02:23:47,740 --> 02:23:50,380
What the hell is Linus social opinion

1527
02:23:51,340 --> 02:23:53,900
Uh, I don't know. What is that?

1528
02:23:55,260 --> 02:23:57,260
Uh, is that is that on here?

1529
02:23:58,700 --> 02:24:01,820
Linus, yeah, this is dude. This is so bad

1530
02:24:04,540 --> 02:24:07,660
Okay, it was just redirecting to the youtube channel for a bit there

1531
02:24:10,460 --> 02:24:15,660
That would definitely be a better thing for it to do it did that like in january, so I'm still poking around

1532
02:24:15,820 --> 02:24:21,260
Oh, like of this year. Yeah There was there was one day. I think it was this one

1533
02:24:22,060 --> 02:24:26,620
Let's see. It's on the 23rd Yeah, youtube

1534
02:24:26,780 --> 02:24:32,620
That's definitely a better place for it to go than this hot garbage. It's back to it's back to garbage

1535
02:24:32,700 --> 02:24:35,180
There's a bunch of snapshots in 2025. What was going on here?

1536
02:24:36,220 --> 02:24:39,740
There this one three snapshots in one day. What was happening?

1537
02:24:39,980 --> 02:24:41,980
I

1538
02:24:43,820 --> 02:24:47,900
Really wish that oh, yeah, this is just the domain being available page. I think

1539
02:24:48,700 --> 02:24:56,300
Or like being for sale or something. Oh man. So does that mean that whoever this chatify life.ai has acquired it now then

1540
02:24:57,660 --> 02:25:03,420
That would be really disappointing because I would I would have loved to buy it and resurrect it, but

1541
02:25:04,620 --> 02:25:07,340
I just yeah, there's a buy this domain thing. Yeah

1542
02:25:07,820 --> 02:25:10,300
Okay, well, that's a shame

1543
02:25:14,060 --> 02:25:17,500
The owner of ncx.com is offering it for sale for an asking price of

1544
02:25:18,780 --> 02:25:24,540
One million dollars. So I was aware of that which is why I didn't buy it

1545
02:25:24,940 --> 02:25:29,820
Yeah, screw that. It was worth a fraction of that. The meme is not worth that. Yeah

1546
02:25:30,380 --> 02:25:36,460
There's there's I'm like, I'm sorry, but it's been way too long. No one really cares anymore except for crystal says no

1547
02:25:36,460 --> 02:25:40,780
It's still for sale For a million dollars well

1548
02:25:41,580 --> 02:25:46,620
Which might as well mean it's not are there services where you can like lease redirecting

1549
02:25:47,820 --> 02:25:55,740
Because that kind of makes probably So you find like yeah, no, that's got to be a thing right you find parts domains and you just like part domains

1550
02:25:55,740 --> 02:26:02,380
Like get a little bit of traffic. Yeah, because ncx would for sure get a little bit of traffic. Yeah, people are saying. Yes people are saying. Yes. Yeah

1551
02:26:03,820 --> 02:26:08,140
Okay Oh

1552
02:26:09,020 --> 02:26:15,100
Okay, this this message from Helen Keller for 2069 is a little confusing, but I think I understand what they're saying

1553
02:26:15,980 --> 02:26:21,980
I'm clawing back a charity website for a client that got turned into a naughty website

1554
02:26:22,620 --> 02:26:26,860
Oh a clawing back aid. So yeah, a charity website that existed and was a thing

1555
02:26:27,420 --> 02:26:33,100
And the client who owned it had it turned into a naughty website so that they could just like steal traffic

1556
02:26:33,180 --> 02:26:37,820
That's yeah, oof. That's rough That's rough

1557
02:26:37,820 --> 02:26:45,180
Do y'all own the ncix youtube channel? No. So the ownership of all the ncix intellectual property is

1558
02:26:46,940 --> 02:26:54,060
Complicated which is one of the big reasons why we haven't made a real serious written offer for it

1559
02:26:54,540 --> 02:27:01,900
because the original owner of it has a version in his mind of who owns it

1560
02:27:02,620 --> 02:27:10,620
and the creditors After the bankruptcy have a version in their mind of who owns it and

1561
02:27:12,380 --> 02:27:20,700
They don't necessarily agree and somehow the domain and trademark and youtube channel

1562
02:27:21,660 --> 02:27:26,140
were not Resolved at the time of the bankruptcy

1563
02:27:27,100 --> 02:27:34,300
So we have in the past approached the the group that handled the bankruptcy

1564
02:27:34,940 --> 02:27:38,300
on behalf of the creditors and said

1565
02:27:38,300 --> 02:27:43,340
Hey, so You guys didn't like get this. So if we buy it

1566
02:27:44,060 --> 02:27:51,420
Do you Do you Commit not to pretend that it's yours because you like never got it and they're like

1567
02:27:52,220 --> 02:27:58,140
We're not even going to look into that Which basically is a big problem for us

1568
02:27:58,700 --> 02:28:02,620
That's not interesting enough for us right now. Once you guys make it a very popular domain again

1569
02:28:03,500 --> 02:28:05,900
Then it will become suddenly interesting for us again

1570
02:28:06,940 --> 02:28:10,620
Yeah, so it's it's untouchable. So it kind of it kind of is

1571
02:28:11,420 --> 02:28:14,460
Is doomed to rot forever

1572
02:28:15,260 --> 02:28:20,940
Um Unless the owner allowed it to lapse maybe and we sniped it

1573
02:28:21,260 --> 02:28:23,580
But even then the trademark could be

1574
02:28:24,940 --> 02:28:28,620
Could be a problem I don't even know that for sure

1575
02:28:28,620 --> 02:28:31,020
I didn't know there was someone on the acx channel that I didn't know

1576
02:28:32,460 --> 02:28:35,420
I don't recognize this guy. Oh, oh shoot. Um

1577
02:28:37,980 --> 02:28:41,900
I think he's uh, he's someone's brother. Oh, okay. Yeah

1578
02:28:42,860 --> 02:28:48,940
Is that Oh, wait. Well, I don't want to like dox him. Yeah, I know. I mean he's someone's brother probably

1579
02:28:49,580 --> 02:28:51,580
Like statistically speaking

1580
02:28:53,260 --> 02:28:55,260
If anyone he's in a few of them. Yeah

1581
02:28:56,940 --> 02:28:58,940
I want to say

1582
02:29:02,940 --> 02:29:04,940
Thumbnails were pretty good

1583
02:29:08,140 --> 02:29:11,180
I did stuff for a long time. I must have really not been paying attention at the end there

1584
02:29:12,460 --> 02:29:14,460
Makes sense. We kind of have a lot going on

1585
02:29:16,140 --> 02:29:19,900
Oh, here we go Uh

1586
02:29:19,900 --> 02:29:23,580
His name is Barrett Got it

1587
02:29:23,580 --> 02:29:27,340
cool Yeah, he's Luke's brother

1588
02:29:27,340 --> 02:29:31,660
Yeah Cool Let's go with that. Yeah one lost

1589
02:29:33,100 --> 02:29:36,700
He actually did some work for us at one point. I think. Oh really really nice guy. Yeah, cool

1590
02:29:37,660 --> 02:29:42,780
Uh Floatplane announcement Uh, but couldn't come to whale land. Well, guess what?

1591
02:29:43,260 --> 02:29:48,140
We released a vlog featuring Sammy's very first land experiencing

1592
02:29:49,740 --> 02:29:53,420
Here's the vlog it includes very normal things like a firetruck

1593
02:29:54,300 --> 02:29:57,580
That's for gaming. See see all the gaming happening in the back of the fire truck

1594
02:29:57,580 --> 02:30:01,820
There is a lot of gaming happening in the back. There's actually a lot of gaming happening elsewhere on the fire truck

1595
02:30:01,820 --> 02:30:04,540
I'm not going to spoil the entire fire truck video

1596
02:30:05,100 --> 02:30:07,660
But there's there's a lot of like pretty

1597
02:30:08,380 --> 02:30:14,140
Pretty wild fire truck things that happen that involve gaming and whatnot. Oh, that's not on the fire truck

1598
02:30:14,220 --> 02:30:19,180
But whale land whale land was pretty cool. A lot of cool stuff at whale land. You should check out the vlog

1599
02:30:19,660 --> 02:30:25,180
Oh, yeah, Floatplane audiences loving this one so far with the 300 to 1 like dislike ratio. Nice

1600
02:30:26,140 --> 02:30:29,660
Uh small cameos from bringus studios and dank pods

1601
02:30:30,220 --> 02:30:34,300
And Linus doing the thing What does that mean?

1602
02:30:35,260 --> 02:30:37,260
Oh, did you drop something?

1603
02:30:39,180 --> 02:30:43,420
Just happened it was just at the end of the video already. Yep. Yeah, there it goes

1604
02:30:45,420 --> 02:30:48,140
All right, thank you. Thank you for that Sammy. That's very helpful

1605
02:30:49,980 --> 02:30:53,900
Check it out at LMG.gg slash fp wan

1606
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Nice all right Oh

1607
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We're supposed to do sponsors now. Okay. The show is brought to you by vessie

1608
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James from the business team said he owes me an apology and also a thank you

1609
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Oh a few weeks ago. He correctly

1610
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Uh, okay Referred to the atma weapon by its translated name ultima weapon

1611
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Ugreen's been kind of killing it on nas's Dude, I

1631
02:33:10,540 --> 02:33:15,660
Independently and this is not part of the ad spot or anything and there are other products that do this

1632
02:33:16,460 --> 02:33:20,140
But I I was I needed something I needed a wall wart

1633
02:33:20,140 --> 02:33:23,500
So I got one from ugreen and while I was shopping on there

1634
02:33:24,220 --> 02:33:30,300
I've been having a problem with my car, which is where the bluetooth will sometimes just take forever to connect. It's very annoying

1635
02:33:31,260 --> 02:33:33,260
So I bought a thing from them

1636
02:33:34,780 --> 02:33:40,940
Bluetooth Five millimeter. Are you sure you want to just type that in Floatplane chat and hope someone else will know what it is

1637
02:33:43,980 --> 02:33:48,060
One of these jobbers I got one of these and it it's been great

1638
02:33:48,380 --> 02:33:54,540
Nice You just the the usb is just for power and then the bluetooth thing is just in the like top of the usb plug

1639
02:33:54,620 --> 02:33:59,260
Makes sense and then my car has a usb and an aux right next to each other in the

1640
02:33:59,900 --> 02:34:04,620
like center console thing and what i'll do is

1641
02:34:05,100 --> 02:34:08,060
My phone can connect to two bluetooths at the same time

1642
02:34:09,180 --> 02:34:14,300
So my phone will automatically connect to this which is a worst experience because I can't

1643
02:34:15,020 --> 02:34:20,060
Take calls nicely over it and I can't do all the controls that I would like to do through the car

1644
02:34:20,300 --> 02:34:25,740
But it will automatically connect to this and work immediately and then I'll notice some audio oddities

1645
02:34:25,980 --> 02:34:30,860
And when that happens I just go bunk bunk bunk on the on the steering wheel and go to normal bluetooth

1646
02:34:30,860 --> 02:34:34,940
And then everything works great That is a very clutchy fix, but I'm glad that you're happy. It's

1647
02:34:36,060 --> 02:34:41,340
It is clutchy, but it like makes me happy in a weird way. Yeah, and I'm glad. Yeah, yeah

1648
02:34:42,300 --> 02:34:47,820
It's great 18 bucks and there is no gaps in being able to connect my phone to mccarno

1649
02:34:48,380 --> 02:34:51,900
Which is awesome It's sweet

1650
02:34:51,900 --> 02:34:58,620
Cool, just go aftermarket radio eventually sure, but this was $18 and it immediately solved it. It was great

1651
02:34:58,940 --> 02:35:03,900
That's terrific. I liked it. Um

1652
02:35:06,140 --> 02:35:09,340
This is a extremely not planned topic and it's not even really a topic

1653
02:35:09,340 --> 02:35:13,340
But I just decided to check out steam charts for some reason. I was like, I wonder what people are really doing

1654
02:35:13,420 --> 02:35:16,540
So that's what you do on the show when you're not listening to me talk or talking

1655
02:35:16,940 --> 02:35:19,180
You're doing an ad spot. There's not much for me to do

1656
02:35:20,060 --> 02:35:26,860
Um and two things three things really stood out to me one our graders is still destroying. This is crazy

1657
02:35:27,260 --> 02:35:34,460
Wow That's that's actually wild 170,000 people on our graders. It's almost like people wanted an extraction shooter

1658
02:35:34,540 --> 02:35:37,020
That's slightly less of a giant piece of shit

1659
02:35:37,980 --> 02:35:44,540
Yeah, 5m. I was like, what's that even I've never heard of that. It's just uh, uh, like mod things

1660
02:35:44,620 --> 02:35:49,180
So people can play gta online So there's still that many people playing gta online

1661
02:35:49,420 --> 02:35:53,580
Wow wild and then I saw a bongo cat and I still can't fully tell what this even is

1662
02:35:53,580 --> 02:35:57,660
Baku Baku Donk donk donk donk. It seems like

1663
02:35:58,620 --> 02:36:05,020
It just like sits on your taskbar and as you type like things happen. That's a bonsai buddy. Yeah

1664
02:36:05,660 --> 02:36:12,780
How is so they're typing a notepad and it just goes Bunk bunk bunk bunk and then it like records bonsai buddy. Still a thing all these years later

1665
02:36:13,660 --> 02:36:18,300
I don't know but look at this Overwhelmingly positive reviews

1666
02:36:18,780 --> 02:36:26,060
22,000 of them. How much does this cost? Uh, oh, it's free. It's free. Okay. That makes a little bit more sense. That explains a lot, but are there

1667
02:36:26,940 --> 02:36:30,220
Oh, it's one of those. It's banana game

1668
02:36:31,740 --> 02:36:36,300
I should just scroll down It's just banana game

1669
02:36:37,980 --> 02:36:42,140
Okay All right

1670
02:36:42,300 --> 02:36:44,780
Sounds good. Well, that was a fun side quest. Yeah

1671
02:36:46,380 --> 02:36:49,500
Okay Donut Labs

1672
02:36:49,900 --> 02:36:55,340
Based in Finland Claims to have made a solid state EV battery. Oh

1673
02:36:56,140 --> 02:37:02,860
They recently announced they've created this holy grail of battery tech after only being founded in 2024

1674
02:37:03,180 --> 02:37:06,540
Wow, for those wondering solid state batteries pretty cool

1675
02:37:07,100 --> 02:37:09,980
The idea is that they replace the flammable

1676
02:37:10,380 --> 02:37:18,460
Highly combustible liquid electrolyte used in lithium ion batteries with a solid substance that is capable of higher energy density

1677
02:37:18,860 --> 02:37:22,620
And faster charging. Uh, I think also they're supposed to be lighter

1678
02:37:22,700 --> 02:37:29,420
But I guess that's another way of saying higher energy density Um, historically though, they have been very difficult to manufacture

1679
02:37:30,220 --> 02:37:39,260
This technology has been researched to pretty much no avail for decades with EV manufacturers pumping money into it hand over fist

1680
02:37:39,740 --> 02:37:44,220
Toyota's advanced battery research for instance has 13 and a half billion

1681
02:37:44,380 --> 02:37:47,580
That's what the be of funding with a focus on solid state

1682
02:37:49,420 --> 02:37:54,300
So that's exciting Except that there are some, um

1683
02:37:55,180 --> 02:38:00,220
skeptics Donut Labs has responded to skepticism with the

1684
02:38:01,020 --> 02:38:07,740
I do do not believe series where the company is sharing third party test results with the independent

1685
02:38:08,300 --> 02:38:10,860
VTT technical research center of finland

1686
02:38:11,660 --> 02:38:15,820
However, following VTT's fast charge performance test

1687
02:38:16,380 --> 02:38:22,460
Xeroth a youtuber with a phd in electric propulsion whose master's thesis was about solid state batteries

1688
02:38:22,860 --> 02:38:25,660
Cast further doubts on the product in his video called

1689
02:38:26,140 --> 02:38:30,780
testing the world's first solid state battery. I'm not going to

1690
02:38:31,340 --> 02:38:36,460
Um, tell you everything that he says in his video because you should really just go watch it. It's a really good video

1691
02:38:36,540 --> 02:38:39,580
I've heard it. Yeah, I haven't seen it. I've heard it's fantastic

1692
02:38:39,580 --> 02:38:43,180
But there are a few important things to point out. He says that

1693
02:38:43,660 --> 02:38:47,100
VTT's test results what oh did he actually say this part?

1694
02:38:47,340 --> 02:38:56,300
I'm not sure if he said this part, but I was reading about it as well So now I'm getting his video and my reading a little bit confused. So let's not say where I got what but here's something

1695
02:38:56,300 --> 02:38:58,300
That's really important

1696
02:39:00,140 --> 02:39:02,140
The

1697
02:39:03,820 --> 02:39:08,940
Yeah, the uh, yes, so the technical research center VTT technical research center says

1698
02:39:09,580 --> 02:39:14,460
We tested the provided solid state battery from donut Labs

1699
02:39:14,460 --> 02:39:18,220
I forget if they like actually put it in quotes or like how they worded it

1700
02:39:18,220 --> 02:39:23,820
But basically they worded it in such a way the solid state was a name instead of a thing that they're saying

1701
02:39:24,460 --> 02:39:27,340
What donut Labs says they sent them?

1702
02:39:27,980 --> 02:39:31,180
But they are not they have not actually been tasked

1703
02:39:31,660 --> 02:39:38,540
With confirming proving that it is in fact solid state and they have not done any destructive testing on it

1704
02:39:38,860 --> 02:39:44,780
So in a way, it's it's kind of wild. It's like if I it's like if I made a okay

1705
02:39:45,100 --> 02:39:49,980
Let's say that LTT's true spec cables. Let's say they were crap hypothetically

1706
02:39:50,860 --> 02:39:54,140
But I called them true spec cable

1707
02:39:55,020 --> 02:39:58,860
And then I sent them to some third party validation lab

1708
02:39:59,340 --> 02:40:03,900
And had them test something like kind of unrelated to the speed they run at for instance

1709
02:40:04,460 --> 02:40:09,340
And I was like, yeah, did you guys can test the the bending radius or something voltage drop

1710
02:40:09,820 --> 02:40:17,340
And then if that test lab were to say We tested LTT true spec cables and found that the bend radius is this much

1711
02:40:18,780 --> 02:40:21,580
It's kind of like credibility washing

1712
02:40:22,700 --> 02:40:30,380
If that makes sense for sure in a way Because VTT never actually says it's a solid state battery, but they like

1713
02:40:31,100 --> 02:40:37,500
tested The donut solid state battery. So I forget whether that came up in my reading or whether that was in the video

1714
02:40:37,500 --> 02:40:40,140
But that was that was pretty important

1715
02:40:40,780 --> 02:40:48,060
Um, he also found that the voltage curve and fast charging graphs looked very close to a lithium ion cell

1716
02:40:48,940 --> 02:40:53,420
Um, also found that while the energy density actually seemed like good

1717
02:40:53,980 --> 02:41:01,260
It wasn't what donut initially claimed And then there was something that he brought up that i'm not actually sure if is an actual issue

1718
02:41:01,820 --> 02:41:06,620
But that is that uh, they reached uh during their testing they reached a 90 degree Celsius

1719
02:41:07,100 --> 02:41:12,220
safety limit And they had to apply another heat sink in order to do the charge test again

1720
02:41:12,220 --> 02:41:17,100
And I think it was like 11c charging rate But from my understanding that might be a ZTT

1721
02:41:17,740 --> 02:41:20,780
Safety protocol based on other battery chemistry

1722
02:41:20,860 --> 02:41:25,100
So that might not actually mean that they were sure that this thing was going to combust sure

1723
02:41:25,580 --> 02:41:30,220
But if xeroth is right that this thing seems to just actually be like

1724
02:41:30,540 --> 02:41:34,140
Maybe a good one, but just a lithium cell of some sort

1725
02:41:34,460 --> 02:41:40,140
Then VTT was very smart to have their safety testing protocol because theoretically

1726
02:41:40,620 --> 02:41:44,940
Donut Labs claimed that with their solid state battery, and I'm using quotes here

1727
02:41:45,660 --> 02:41:50,140
Had an operating temperature that was safe of up to 100 degrees Celsius. So

1728
02:41:51,740 --> 02:41:55,900
Or something like or maybe more I can't remember but more than 90 was what they claimed

1729
02:41:56,860 --> 02:42:03,980
Uh, no not zip-tie tuning different thing different thing. Oh, sorry. Did I say ZTT VTT VTT technical research center of finland?

1730
02:42:05,020 --> 02:42:12,300
Yeah, not zip-tie tuning. Yeah, I mean they're they're cool, but yeah, um unrelated to this. I um, what would be super based?

1731
02:42:13,740 --> 02:42:16,700
Uh, yes, they should just bring xeroth out

1732
02:42:18,460 --> 02:42:23,180
I Think they would I think they would rather

1733
02:42:24,540 --> 02:42:30,620
Continue to trickle out information so they get to enjoy because I wouldn't have talked about them if it wasn't for their

1734
02:42:31,100 --> 02:42:34,540
Back and forth with the community about the veracity of their claims

1735
02:42:34,540 --> 02:42:38,940
They first showed up on my radar when they were making fantastical claims about this cell at cds

1736
02:42:40,060 --> 02:42:45,740
Yeah, they're clearly Riding this but and I'm and I'm taking the bait luke

1737
02:42:46,380 --> 02:42:49,900
I'm taking the bait because it is more important to me

1738
02:42:50,540 --> 02:42:54,540
to Say hey this thing that everyone's talking about

1739
02:42:55,100 --> 02:42:58,780
Hold on a second. There are people who are talking about how maybe we shouldn't be talking about it

1740
02:42:59,340 --> 02:43:05,020
Then it is to not talk about it. I will la la la la until people like xeroth who are

1741
02:43:05,580 --> 02:43:10,380
Genuinely third party and have nothing to do with that company or not compensate about that company in any way

1742
02:43:10,460 --> 02:43:13,580
And we're able to freely get it on their own are able to check it out

1743
02:43:14,300 --> 02:43:18,060
Because what's the first I'll be interested or not. What's the first product that it's supposed to go in?

1744
02:43:18,060 --> 02:43:21,100
It's like a motorcycle or something, right? No, sure. Um

1745
02:43:23,260 --> 02:43:25,260
Donut Labs

1746
02:43:28,940 --> 02:43:30,940
Donut lab motors batteries

1747
02:43:38,220 --> 02:43:40,220
Okay, well I

1748
02:43:43,900 --> 02:43:47,900
Can't find what it's supposed to what it's supposed to go in if it is real that's fantastic

1749
02:43:48,060 --> 02:43:52,300
And if it's not that's not surprising and uh, we'll see how it goes

1750
02:43:53,900 --> 02:43:57,340
Oh, okay, apparently I am apparently I'm correct. Wiley giraffe says yes

1751
02:43:57,420 --> 02:44:01,100
It's supposed to go in a motorcycle within a couple of months. That's their claim

1752
02:44:01,660 --> 02:44:04,860
Cool. It's apparently called the verge motorcycle

1753
02:44:07,020 --> 02:44:11,980
Here it is. Oh my god, just no that like oh

1754
02:44:13,260 --> 02:44:23,740
For crying out loud, uh, sure 600 kilometer range in a in an electric motorcycle would be wild

1755
02:44:24,460 --> 02:44:30,780
Yeah All of this would be wild if this could ever actually happen like what if I try to book a test drive?

1756
02:44:32,220 --> 02:44:36,620
Uh, whatever you're not even I'm over it. Yeah

1757
02:44:36,860 --> 02:44:39,420
I just don't think I I don't think I'm ever gonna do uh

1758
02:44:40,380 --> 02:44:44,940
I don't think I'm ever gonna do a An electric motorcycle. I mean ever is a big word, but I just

1759
02:44:45,740 --> 02:44:47,740
Yeah, I don't I don't think I'm ever gonna do it

1760
02:44:49,900 --> 02:44:51,900
Um

1761
02:44:57,100 --> 02:45:02,940
Hey, what do you want to talk about next? Uh, do what's in the dock?

1762
02:45:05,500 --> 02:45:07,740
ShortCircuit sure fine

1763
02:45:09,820 --> 02:45:13,740
I didn't get to see the video. I don't even know what happened. I never saw the video

1764
02:45:14,140 --> 02:45:20,780
Which is part of the problem. Yeah earlier this week one of our channels ShortCircuit published a video on a water bottle

1765
02:45:21,100 --> 02:45:25,500
That made some let's call them bold health claims. Yeah

1766
02:45:26,220 --> 02:45:28,220
A type of product we'd talk about on

1767
02:45:30,620 --> 02:45:34,380
We'd like to first and foremost we'd like to first and foremost

1768
02:45:35,020 --> 02:45:40,380
Thank our community for flagging this and holding us accountable for the

1769
02:45:41,100 --> 02:45:48,300
um Bold claims. I'm gonna call them that this bottle was making to their target market

1770
02:45:48,860 --> 02:45:53,660
Um, the first time I heard about this was when our former community manager now

1771
02:45:53,740 --> 02:45:57,020
He has a different role, but he still talks to the community

1772
02:45:57,500 --> 02:46:01,740
Um messaged me when I was on a ski slope on a class trip

1773
02:46:02,380 --> 02:46:06,940
Going hey Did you know about this video and I said

1774
02:46:07,740 --> 02:46:12,700
Excuse me. What the fuck no Um

1775
02:46:13,260 --> 02:46:16,780
From what I'm told in our notes here

1776
02:46:17,420 --> 02:46:21,500
The intention of the video was meant to be a they claim piece

1777
02:46:22,140 --> 02:46:25,020
Not agreeing or disagreeing with the product, but rather

1778
02:46:25,820 --> 02:46:27,820
showing it, um

1779
02:46:28,860 --> 02:46:31,660
And that clearly didn't come across

1780
02:46:32,620 --> 02:46:36,140
and Me coming into this after the fact

1781
02:46:36,860 --> 02:46:44,460
I am extremely frustrated at the various breakdowns that seem like they may have occurred

1782
02:46:45,020 --> 02:46:51,900
Uh, we are in the process of an investigation. So you won't hear me saying exactly what happened because at this time

1783
02:46:52,060 --> 02:46:55,420
I have not gotten a full post mortem. I'm not fully confirmed report

1784
02:46:56,300 --> 02:47:00,300
What I do know is that um

1785
02:47:00,300 --> 02:47:04,780
This outcome is not okay because it made

1786
02:47:05,340 --> 02:47:09,340
From my understanding extremely silly claims

1787
02:47:10,060 --> 02:47:14,380
um Like health related claims about

1788
02:47:15,020 --> 02:47:20,780
performing hydrolysis on water in your water bottle and whatnot

1789
02:47:21,420 --> 02:47:26,300
um So in response to this, uh, you know

1790
02:47:27,260 --> 02:47:30,140
Appropriate flagging of this video from our community

1791
02:47:30,460 --> 02:47:35,500
We posted the following statement on both reddit and on the ShortCircuit youtube channel. Hey everyone

1792
02:47:35,820 --> 02:47:40,860
We've removed this short. We agree that the product wasn't framed with the level of skepticism

1793
02:47:40,940 --> 02:47:46,620
It warranted and it was published without going through our normal technical review and leadership approval process

1794
02:47:47,100 --> 02:47:50,700
We do not support or endorse unsubstantiated claims made by this manufacturer

1795
02:47:50,700 --> 02:47:56,140
And we're taking steps internally to ensure our review process is consistently followed moving forward. Thanks for holding us

1796
02:47:57,100 --> 02:48:00,300
Accountable one of the first responses I saw to this on reddit was

1797
02:48:01,420 --> 02:48:06,140
What does that even mean it wasn't published without going through the normal technical review and leadership approval process?

1798
02:48:06,860 --> 02:48:11,820
What do you think that means? That's Wait, really? Was that actually I think it's I think it's pretty obvious

1799
02:48:12,860 --> 02:48:19,260
what that means It means this is real bad and I found out about it

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02:48:20,380 --> 02:48:24,540
Long after the damage was done. Unfortunately, which is you know

1801
02:48:24,620 --> 02:48:30,620
It's something that um, it's a fact of larger companies. I'm just not willing to take the fall for anymore

1802
02:48:31,740 --> 02:48:34,620
Okay, there was a time not that long ago. Did anyone ask you to

1803
02:48:35,340 --> 02:48:39,900
Oh, I mean on this Internally, of course not

1804
02:48:39,900 --> 02:48:43,660
But there was a time not that long ago that the assumption is just that

1805
02:48:45,260 --> 02:48:48,060
When something goes wrong, you know

1806
02:48:49,500 --> 02:48:59,340
Linus is accountable Um, you know like even like you want to go way back to the statement that was made that triggered the whole 2023 drama

1807
02:48:59,420 --> 02:49:07,020
That I didn't make But the expectation was I apologize for it. What's the what? Oh, yeah

1808
02:49:07,740 --> 02:49:15,340
Uh, like on the tour. Yeah, okay. Yeah, and so, you know, that's something that I flatly reject at this point

1809
02:49:15,420 --> 02:49:22,300
I'm sorry. I'm not gonna be uh As as as a spokesperson for the company I can speak on behalf of the company

1810
02:49:22,540 --> 02:49:26,940
Yeah, that's what I was gonna say. I would still expect that but I'm not gonna fall on but I'm not gonna fall on the sword

1811
02:49:26,940 --> 02:49:30,940
And I'm not gonna take I'm not gonna take accountability for stuff. I didn't do

1812
02:49:32,220 --> 02:49:37,020
Anymore. Yeah I don't know if that's what people wanted

1813
02:49:37,580 --> 02:49:39,580
I mean, it's a uh

1814
02:49:41,500 --> 02:49:44,860
Yeah, stay the path. So this is what I'm talking about stay the path says sorry, dude

1815
02:49:44,860 --> 02:49:47,980
This company has your name on it. You own the company everything under LTT is under you

1816
02:49:47,980 --> 02:49:53,100
This is a company you own. This is all you and that's nice and that's your opinion, but I'm not willing to do that anymore

1817
02:49:53,180 --> 02:50:00,460
I'm sorry. It's just not gonna happen Um, it's not it's not compatible with me continuing to do this. Let me put it that way

1818
02:50:00,460 --> 02:50:03,820
I feel like I think there's a there's a gap happening right now where like

1819
02:50:04,540 --> 02:50:08,460
I I think stay the paths comment is that like you have to

1820
02:50:09,100 --> 02:50:14,300
Address it and you literally just did address it. You said there was a mistake. You said we're

1821
02:50:15,740 --> 02:50:19,340
Addressing it. You you thanked the community for pointing it out those things happen

1822
02:50:19,660 --> 02:50:27,180
I don't think that they're asking for you To do I don't have you seen this video of the like volleyball player the japanese volleyball player

1823
02:50:27,580 --> 02:50:31,900
That like spiked a ball and it hit this I did see that and he does the dive

1824
02:50:32,060 --> 02:50:37,420
Yeah, I don't think they're asking for you to dive under the net and do the apology bow

1825
02:50:37,420 --> 02:50:40,780
I think you should keep reading chat. Okay before you keep talking

1826
02:50:40,940 --> 02:50:44,860
I I think it's an understanding gap on both sides, but I will keep reading chat

1827
02:50:45,020 --> 02:50:51,900
I'm also looking through I I realized that searching Linus on the Linus tech tips subreddit is a little tough, but if you do

1828
02:50:52,460 --> 02:50:57,900
Yeah, space Linus space. It does a little bit better. I got that trick from chat last week

1829
02:50:58,140 --> 02:51:05,340
That's a good trick I got that trick from chat last week is pretty good the the comments talking about you individually don't seem to be asking for that

1830
02:51:05,820 --> 02:51:09,020
um Again, you have to

1831
02:51:09,020 --> 02:51:11,260
You have to oh, okay. I'll keep looking at the chat

1832
02:51:12,220 --> 02:51:19,420
um But yeah, just the the the the truth of the matter and this is just this is just one of those things where you don't have to

1833
02:51:19,420 --> 02:51:24,300
Like it, but it's just going to be how it is. I think there's I think there's different levels of apology

1834
02:51:24,300 --> 02:51:29,340
I think there's ownership of like hey, this is my company and my company made a mistake

1835
02:51:29,740 --> 02:51:34,700
And there's here's the action the company is taking. Yeah, sure. Yeah, and and that's one thing

1836
02:51:35,260 --> 02:51:41,100
That's no issue. I think that's I would like to think I'm still watching chat that that is what most people are asking for

1837
02:51:41,500 --> 02:51:47,820
And I think what you're talking about is I personally and personally individually. I did this. I made this mistake

1838
02:51:47,900 --> 02:51:53,180
I'm taking ownership for this problem. I don't think people are generally asking for that. Yeah, you should reach out more carefully

1839
02:51:53,260 --> 02:52:01,500
I'm looking for sure um And and it's one of those things where like I said the the bottom line is I'm not going

1840
02:52:02,460 --> 02:52:08,140
To do it anymore. I I I'm just you know, because there are cases where

1841
02:52:08,700 --> 02:52:15,180
It really was, you know a problem that existed, you know in our in our in our in our process, right?

1842
02:52:15,900 --> 02:52:20,460
And there are cases where over the years and it's happened many many times

1843
02:52:20,860 --> 02:52:24,140
I have explicitly laid out how we need to do it

1844
02:52:25,020 --> 02:52:30,940
And it hasn't been followed and we made catastrophic errors because of that and I've fallen on the sword

1845
02:52:31,500 --> 02:52:35,980
And I'm not going to do it anymore. Yeah, but okay. My point is that I think some and I've talked to you about this before

1846
02:52:36,140 --> 02:52:39,180
My point is that sometimes I think you just do that

1847
02:52:39,340 --> 02:52:47,260
But like no one was looking for that or expecting that Like there will be a someone will point out something on reddit that is like a particular department. It's happened with me

1848
02:52:47,900 --> 02:52:52,140
There's been something with like laps, which is now my thing and you've jumped on the thread

1849
02:52:52,540 --> 02:52:57,180
And brought a lot of attention to you in association to the problem when you had nothing to do with it

1850
02:52:57,340 --> 02:53:01,660
And I've been like bruh like let me respond. These are these are these are my people. These are my things

1851
02:53:04,220 --> 02:53:10,460
Yeah So I don't know they might have shut up because I said stuff, but I'm not

1852
02:53:11,100 --> 02:53:14,860
I'm I'm also I read kind of slow, so I'm trying to keep up with the chat, but it's moving kind of fast

1853
02:53:15,420 --> 02:53:22,140
Um, but I haven't really seen A lot of it. Yeah, I can find some stuff if you need sure. I yeah, it's

1854
02:53:23,260 --> 02:53:28,460
and whatever I'm not doing it. Sure. Yep

1855
02:53:29,500 --> 02:53:35,420
It's just it's not it's not like I said, it's not compatible with me continuing to do this

1856
02:53:36,140 --> 02:53:43,820
Um, and so, you know, if that means You know making changes here, then we're going to make those changes because it's not

1857
02:53:44,860 --> 02:53:47,500
Compatible with me continuing to do this in this form

1858
02:53:48,700 --> 02:53:55,340
Um, all right Giving every kid access to tech in the classroom

1859
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Turns out that might have been a mistake

1860
02:53:59,980 --> 02:54:07,740
This is rough dude Gen z is the first generation in history in in in recorded history

1861
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to score worse on standardized testing than the earlier generation

1862
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One leading factor and I have a lot of thoughts on this, but I'm reading the notes for now

1863
02:54:18,940 --> 02:54:24,300
One leading factor, as pointed out by neuroscientist Jared Cooney Horvath via

1864
02:54:24,300 --> 02:54:29,180
TechSpot, seems to be the negative correlation that exists between the

1865
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time students spend on digital devices in school and their academic performance,

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the more screen exposure, the poorer the results. For the last two decades, U.S.

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schools have spent a total of more than 30 billion with a B dollars on laptops

1868
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and tablets for students. And here's a chart showing how higher in-class

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computer use is correlated with significantly lower math and science

1870
02:54:53,660 --> 02:55:03,060
performance across both high income and middle income countries. This is mind

1871
02:55:03,060 --> 02:55:07,660
blowing. These are pretty big jumps. Now, it is very important to note, and this is

1872
02:55:07,660 --> 02:55:13,460
one of the reasons that I am so opposed, and this comes up a lot between me and

1873
02:55:13,460 --> 02:55:22,180
the Labs team, for instance, that I'm so opposed to non-zero y-axis. And I get it.

1874
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The argument is always, hey, I'm trying to accentuate the difference to make the

1875
02:55:27,620 --> 02:55:32,660
graph more readable. And my response is always, if you have to do that to

1876
02:55:32,660 --> 02:55:41,020
accentuate the difference, then I guess the difference wasn't so big. I see both sides.

1877
02:55:41,580 --> 02:55:49,500
We want to clearly indicate which one is the winner, right? Yeah. And in this case,

1878
02:55:49,500 --> 02:55:58,380
a difference in a total score of 550 and 500 is hugely problematic. It's also

1879
02:55:58,380 --> 02:56:03,620
weird because the top two, the bottom line is actually 480, and the bottom two,

1880
02:56:03,620 --> 02:56:09,100
the bottom line is 470. It's off by 10. And it's also like, what do these represent?

1881
02:56:10,060 --> 02:56:15,500
I don't know. Is this American school system or something? What is a 490? Is a 490 a C?

1882
02:56:15,500 --> 02:56:22,220
Okay. That's a completely separate issue. But basically, that's a valid issue.

1883
02:56:22,220 --> 02:56:33,580
I mean, it's effectively the same issue, because we're talking about what is the severity of the difference between the things. Sure. Yeah. I hate it when we mess with a y-axis,

1884
02:56:33,580 --> 02:56:40,060
and so I will often get into it with Labs, especially around things like FPS graphs,

1885
02:56:40,060 --> 02:56:46,860
where they're like, no, I really want to do this. And one of the most famous ones was

1886
02:56:46,860 --> 02:56:55,820
me and Lucas around efficiency plotting. Oh, really? Because he rightly,

1887
02:56:56,780 --> 02:57:04,060
like he kind of malicious compliance showed me what it would look like at zero, where the

1888
02:57:04,060 --> 02:57:11,820
efficiency of basically every power supply is pretty much the same. And I was like, okay,

1889
02:57:13,020 --> 02:57:18,940
well, how about this compromise? We show that they're all basically the same,

1890
02:57:18,940 --> 02:57:25,420
and then we show a zoom in. Because to me, that context of, hey, they're all basically

1891
02:57:25,500 --> 02:57:29,820
the same is actually really, really important when you're understanding that

1892
02:57:30,460 --> 02:57:33,740
when we're looking at the difference between 80 plus silver and 80 plus gold,

1893
02:57:34,300 --> 02:57:41,420
we really are just kind of splitting hairs here. It's not that big of a deal. But in the context

1894
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of engineering a power supply, achieving that extra percent or two percent of efficiency

1895
02:57:47,580 --> 02:57:53,260
can be a Herculean effort and cost a lot of money in the materials. And so I totally understand

1896
02:57:53,260 --> 02:57:59,340
why you want to show, hey, they achieved something here. And you want to make your visuals readable.

1897
02:58:00,140 --> 02:58:04,060
Anyway, I don't want to go on this side topic for too long, but the point is just that

1898
02:58:04,620 --> 02:58:13,100
this is wild. I'm not going to say causation, but there is a pretty clear correlation that

1899
02:58:13,100 --> 02:58:18,940
tracks consistent as well. Yeah, across fourth grade math, fourth grade science,

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02:58:18,940 --> 02:58:24,220
eighth grade math, and eighth grade science. I don't know where they're finding these kids who

1901
02:58:24,220 --> 02:58:30,300
almost never use a screen, but good on the parents. Is there schools that just have not

1902
02:58:30,300 --> 02:58:34,700
adopted? I'm assuming. Oh, this must be in school use. That makes way more sense. Yeah,

1903
02:58:34,700 --> 02:58:38,300
yeah, this is in school use. It says right on it. It sure does.

1904
02:58:42,460 --> 02:58:45,660
Where's the source for this? People are asking for the source here. I think it's from TechSpot.

1905
02:58:46,540 --> 02:58:56,300
Here you go. So TechSpot interviewed the dude, and here's the, yeah, here you go.

1906
02:58:56,300 --> 02:59:00,540
The Trends in International Mathematics and Science Study, or TIMS.

1907
02:59:02,860 --> 02:59:11,260
Freakin' wild. However, lots and lots and lots of other factors.

1908
02:59:11,900 --> 02:59:17,580
Oh yeah, absolutely. At play here. I suspect, honestly, a bigger impact would be electronics

1909
02:59:17,580 --> 02:59:22,700
use outside of the classroom. Yeah, I don't know how you'd control for that. You can't,

1910
02:59:22,700 --> 02:59:28,860
like at all. Parents would not self-report correctly, and this dude, this one blew me away.

1911
02:59:28,860 --> 02:59:34,220
I was helping out with a class field trip the other day. They did a ski field trip.

1912
02:59:34,220 --> 02:59:39,500
Okay, I was going to say, was this the mountain? Yeah, and I like to be involved while I still

1913
02:59:39,500 --> 02:59:45,420
get a chance. My kids are not going to want me as a parent chaperone forever.

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02:59:45,980 --> 02:59:49,100
It comes back around, I think. Yeah, well, that's what I hope, right?

1915
02:59:49,100 --> 03:00:00,460
But there will be a gap in there. But basically, I was chaperoning this thing,

1916
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and one of the kind of side eyes and undertone conversations that I had with one of the teachers

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was how impossible it is to get just like accurate height and weight of the kids on the

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intake form for the ski trip, which is really important because when they're adjusting the

1919
03:00:18,300 --> 03:00:24,380
bindings in the tech shop for your ski rentals, they need to know how strong of a skier you are,

1920
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how old you are, and how much you weigh so that they can make sure that they will detach

1921
03:00:29,260 --> 03:00:37,980
correctly in the event of a crash. And I overheard, or what was part of, I wasn't eavesdropping,

1922
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but I was part of a conversation where one of the other parents speculated that the reason

1923
03:00:44,780 --> 03:00:52,060
that the teacher got like three different clearly incorrect responses for one kid

1924
03:00:52,060 --> 03:00:57,100
was that it's actually the kid doing all correspondence with the school because the

1925
03:00:57,100 --> 03:01:02,540
parents are just like not involved and didn't know how to like measure themself.

1926
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And I was like, oh my god, basically. But it pretty much, it highlighted why you could never

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count on getting any kind of accurate, meaningful data about out of school use.

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Oh, you could never do it. I just suspect that's a very significant impact.

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Because of tangential things, right? If they're spending all their time

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doom-scrolling because their parents don't care anyways, is their attention span

1931
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so wrecked when they're in class that whether they have a screen in front of them or not,

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they're just not going to absorb anything? That type of stuff I think is relatively important.

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Daniel Chin says, this isn't even a Y-axis issue. There's not enough description about the study

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methodology and without actual controls. There's a monopoly of confounders.

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But we're not talking about that. We're talking about Y-axis issues with the presentation of

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anything. And yeah, that's why I have carefully avoided saying that it is like a causation.

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I've said correlation. All we've seen is that Jared Cooney Horvath says that there seems to be

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a negative correlation. That's what we've said. And I pointed out that the way that these are laid

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out makes it look like a bigger difference than it is. That's how we got into the conversation about

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the importance of drawing attention to, at the very least, if you are not using a zeroed axis.

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That's all. It's okay. It's also clearly a multi-faceted problem and is not just down to using

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computers in the classroom because we had computers in the classroom and we had the

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computer lab as well. We used computers all the time when we were in school.

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You had computers in the classroom that wasn't the computer lab?

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Yeah. When I was in elementary school, we had often one computer in the classroom.

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If you finished your work early, you could play Oregon Trail sometimes if your teacher was a bro.

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Sure. Not at your desk though, but sure. I don't think I had many of those examples,

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but maybe it was a thing. I didn't know that was a thing at some schools.

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And that was before even teachers had a computer at their desk. Yeah. Sometimes there would just be a little work station in the computer.

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In the corner. Or if you had a student that had a learning disability or something,

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then you'd often have a little computer for them to use.

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Reddit has been fined by the UK for not verifying ages of users. The 14.5 million pound fine,

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I love that money in UK is in weight units, was issued after the UK Information Commissioner's

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office. It makes it sound so big. Yeah, it does. It's like, you know those giant checks? It's like, here's a million pound check. Oh, gosh!

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Here's a 14 million pound fine. Put it down on something solid because...

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Oh my God, I broke my hand. My hand actually got atomized from that.

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All right. So the ICO alleged that Reddit's failure to check ages resulted in their illegal

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handling of children's personal information and the potential exposure of children to

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inappropriate and harmful content. The ICO finding came before Reddit's July 2025 rollout

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of an age verification system in the UK. But the ICO says they still have concerns,

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noting that Reddit relies on users self-declaring their ages when opening an account.

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This seems to ignore Reddit's use of persona to further verify ages of users seeking to access

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restricted content. In the statement provided to Ars Technica,

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Reddit said that the ICO's insistence that we collect more private information on every UK

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user is counterintuitive and at odds with our strong belief in our users' online privacy and

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safety. We intend to appeal the ICO's decision. All right. So there was another part of Reddit's

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response that is not in my notes here that I thought was pretty hilarious. Let's see if I can

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find it. No, it might have been in a different article. That's important. I know here it is.

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We don't require you to give us your real name. We don't track your precise location. You can even

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browse anonymously. You can share as much or as little about yourself as you want when using Reddit.

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Love that. Because they're basically saying, hey, we don't require anybody to tell us everything

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about themselves and every, you know, am I the a**hole, you know, experience they've ever had

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how old they almost certainly are and all of this stuff. You know, they could share that with us

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if they want to, but we don't require any of it. So I mean, oh man, this is, this is a can of worms,

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hey? Because on the one hand, this drive from governments and plural, like around the world

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for these platforms to collect and verify more and more and more information seems crazy

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at a time when they're already collecting too much. And if anything, we should be going the other way.

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Like, are we, is it time to root for Reddit? But on the other hand, Reddit's only, the only

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reason Reddit's mad is because the government wants them to collect this data a different way

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that will give them some kind of responsibility for their stewardship of it.

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I think where I've come to on this topic, because we've been talking about this for a while, is I

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do really like the idea of kind of pushing, of pushing the kids to use less electronics and

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get off social media and stuff like that, because it is, it is highly malicious mind control.

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But collecting data in order to do so not only will not work, it's also just a massive trove of

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valuable information that will be broken into. So just stop collecting it. The kids will get

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around it. The kids have always gotten around it. The kids will always get around it. It's,

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you're not actually going to stop people who are really trying to. So at that point,

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like, I think the most at risk kids are going to be kids that would really try to get around it.

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So you're not actually saving the most at risk kids anyways, and you're just making this like

1990
03:07:42,780 --> 03:07:47,500
massive amount of data that they will get. Like, let's be realistic about it.

1991
03:07:50,060 --> 03:07:53,980
You're just putting it out there for, for, for bad actors to just grab. So like,

1992
03:07:53,980 --> 03:08:01,660
it's, you're doing a horrible job of just putting data out there that will be stolen,

1993
03:08:01,660 --> 03:08:06,540
that you really shouldn't have stolen, and of kids information, which like, come on,

1994
03:08:06,540 --> 03:08:11,660
and you're doing it in a way that is not really even going to be effective anyways.

1995
03:08:11,660 --> 03:08:14,700
I would love to see some stuff to try to dissuade

1996
03:08:16,300 --> 03:08:21,420
everyone of every age from overusing like social media and doom scrolling apps and stuff like

1997
03:08:21,420 --> 03:08:27,820
that, especially kids who are more susceptible, but let's be real, so are adults. Yeah, this,

1998
03:08:27,820 --> 03:08:32,060
this whole idea that because you're an adult, you're like magically grown up.

1999
03:08:32,060 --> 03:08:34,780
Yeah, I know that doesn't, that doesn't happen. It just doesn't fly.

2000
03:08:35,980 --> 03:08:39,500
Like, let's, I don't know if this is a topic in the doc, but I mean,

2001
03:08:39,500 --> 03:08:45,420
YouTube pushed out, and I appreciate that they did a like time management thing specifically

2002
03:08:45,420 --> 03:08:50,460
for shorts within YouTube, so that you can block how much you use. The thing that I don't

2003
03:08:50,460 --> 03:08:56,620
like is there isn't a zero. They go down to 15. I appreciate that they have a limit that is not

2004
03:08:56,700 --> 03:09:03,500
super long, but 15 is still not that short. They're shorts. Five minutes would be fine.

2005
03:09:04,300 --> 03:09:08,940
Zero would be the best. If you could granularly control it all the way up to zero,

2006
03:09:08,940 --> 03:09:16,460
that would be the best. I would appreciate that. You know what? I'll be honest with you. I don't think, and I agree that it should be an option,

2007
03:09:17,020 --> 03:09:21,580
but if I was configuring my kids account, I probably wouldn't set it to zero.

2008
03:09:21,580 --> 03:09:26,140
Sure, that's fine. Because the goal of the limit would be to learn moderation.

2009
03:09:26,140 --> 03:09:34,460
Yeah, totally. Not to go cold turkey. I had a member of my family that developed a very unhealthy relationship with

2010
03:09:36,540 --> 03:09:41,660
video media consumption because it was so restricted in our household, and that was just

2011
03:09:41,660 --> 03:09:53,260
their personality type. I personally feel like if they had not been cut off from it as often

2012
03:09:53,580 --> 03:10:02,540
they were, and it had not been made such a exciting thing, such a huge dopamine hit when

2013
03:10:02,540 --> 03:10:09,100
they were able to get access to it, maybe some of that possibly could have been at least dulled.

2014
03:10:09,740 --> 03:10:13,740
Maybe they might have learned to manage that compulsion, maybe.

2015
03:10:15,020 --> 03:10:19,820
No, I still don't remember the name of it, but I have a browser add-on. I guess it's on my

2016
03:10:19,820 --> 03:10:24,380
Windows install, so I'll have to figure this out on Linux, but I mean it's a browser,

2017
03:10:24,380 --> 03:10:28,460
so I just need to go find the add-on again. But I have a browser add-on that blocks YouTube

2018
03:10:28,460 --> 03:10:35,260
shorts, solid. And for me, yeah, I just want it blocked, but your scenario completely makes

2019
03:10:35,260 --> 03:10:40,540
sense. The options would be great, and I'm not going to project onto you what option you should

2020
03:10:40,540 --> 03:10:48,940
select, but I would love the option for zero. But I will say, having complained all of that bit,

2021
03:10:48,940 --> 03:10:52,220
I really appreciate that they made this feature. I don't think that they had to.

2022
03:10:52,780 --> 03:10:57,500
They had just an individual limiter for YouTube. I appreciate that they made one separate for

2023
03:10:57,500 --> 03:11:01,420
shorts. They are different things. I understand they're in the same app. They are different

2024
03:11:01,420 --> 03:11:07,660
things, and I appreciate that they did that. YouTube does a lot of things pretty wrong.

2025
03:11:08,860 --> 03:11:15,260
They do some things very wrong. They do a lot of things kind of right.

2026
03:11:16,220 --> 03:11:21,660
This is in the a little wrong, but mostly right category, I think. I appreciate that it exists,

2027
03:11:21,660 --> 03:11:25,340
and I don't think there was going to be some law that was going to make them do this,

2028
03:11:25,340 --> 03:11:41,020
so I appreciate that it exists. Yeah. I would never describe myself as a fan, but I respect a lot of what YouTube does, and I

2029
03:11:41,100 --> 03:11:47,820
have said before, and will continue to say, I believe that YouTube is alongside Wikipedia,

2030
03:11:48,380 --> 03:11:57,500
the library of Alexandria, one of the most important things the human race has ever built.

2031
03:11:57,500 --> 03:12:02,380
Yeah. I was going to say, I respect your stance, and I'm not going to call myself a fan. I love

2032
03:12:02,380 --> 03:12:07,660
YouTube. I think it is fascinating that they haven't been so much worse than they are,

2033
03:12:08,620 --> 03:12:13,900
and you know what? I'm very quick to point out things that they screw up. I think the whole

2034
03:12:13,900 --> 03:12:19,660
member spam thing, which we'll talk about shortly, was a mistake. I think not having zero on the

2035
03:12:19,660 --> 03:12:24,940
shorts thing sucks. Removing the dislike button was just so dumb, and I would really like for it

2036
03:12:24,940 --> 03:12:31,420
to come back, but at the end of the day, YouTube is amazing. What a platform. The fact that they

2037
03:12:32,220 --> 03:12:38,140
haven't just gone full nuclear terrible is kind of fascinating.

2038
03:12:38,140 --> 03:12:41,820
Please keep it up. It's legitimately close.

2039
03:12:41,820 --> 03:12:48,540
It's really important to please keep it up. And it's been sketchy lately, but I believe in you.

2040
03:12:48,540 --> 03:12:53,260
If there's any major concerns, I'm going to have some FaceTime with execs soon.

2041
03:12:54,220 --> 03:13:01,580
Topic, type, and kind of the funnel, the shorts. I think there is a problem right now with YouTube,

2042
03:13:01,580 --> 03:13:06,460
where YouTube was about people, and it was organic, and it was the place you could go to

2043
03:13:06,460 --> 03:13:15,500
learn basically everything, and it felt like an app made by, yeah, you could just find everything.

2044
03:13:16,380 --> 03:13:20,460
And right now, it feels like it's getting too hype focused.

2045
03:13:21,420 --> 03:13:26,860
There isn't really the consistency. I give them that feedback basically every time I talk to them, but I'll try again.

2046
03:13:26,860 --> 03:13:31,660
It's more extreme than ever, I think, and I think you're seeing it in this flow that we've talked

2047
03:13:31,660 --> 03:13:38,140
about a bunch of times where channel performance is much more individual video based, and you have

2048
03:13:38,140 --> 03:13:44,220
huge swings in viewership between videos. I have found more than ever that I'm losing creators.

2049
03:13:45,580 --> 03:13:48,860
I think the subscribe button should mean more. Okay.

2050
03:13:49,740 --> 03:13:52,780
I think that's one of the things that should happen, because like,

2051
03:13:52,780 --> 03:13:57,020
a lot of people talk about search. The search is, oh man.

2052
03:13:57,020 --> 03:14:01,980
Mind-blowingly bad. It's mind-blowingly bad, but at the same time, again, to give them credit, holy crap,

2053
03:14:01,980 --> 03:14:06,940
is that a lot of stuff to search through. But it does seem pretty rough.

2054
03:14:06,940 --> 03:14:13,740
Honestly, I don't think this is a hot take. Search for Google in general has been kind of in the pits.

2055
03:14:13,740 --> 03:14:16,300
Search and drive is terrible. Search and Gmail is terrible.

2056
03:14:17,260 --> 03:14:23,900
Like, all this stuff has been pretty rough. And this is someone who just said, I love YouTube, and I still love YouTube.

2057
03:14:23,900 --> 03:14:26,140
I'm just being honest about some of the negatives.

2058
03:14:27,820 --> 03:14:35,100
I think there is a lot of soulless, negative, genuine brain rot content,

2059
03:14:35,100 --> 03:14:40,940
stuff that does not enrich your life in any way, that is being forced to the front of YouTube

2060
03:14:40,940 --> 03:14:45,980
and shoved in front of your face. And I think that will decrease people's appreciation

2061
03:14:46,060 --> 03:14:52,140
and usage of YouTube long-term. I think it is a short-term strategy to combat things like TikTok,

2062
03:14:52,140 --> 03:14:56,300
and I think it will rot their overall market dominance in the long-term.

2063
03:14:56,300 --> 03:15:02,060
I think they need to understand and appreciate what they are, which is the video platform of the internet.

2064
03:15:02,060 --> 03:15:07,260
They stopped publishing user numbers because they basically just said, we have everyone.

2065
03:15:08,140 --> 03:15:13,340
Know that, understand that, own that, and have a higher level that you hold yourself to

2066
03:15:13,340 --> 03:15:17,900
compared to other platforms. And I don't mean that you have to start banning this type of content.

2067
03:15:17,900 --> 03:15:21,180
It's never going to happen. It's a bad form of moderation for YouTube.

2068
03:15:21,180 --> 03:15:24,700
You're still going to have Flat Earth and No Land and Conspiracy videos on YouTube.

2069
03:15:24,700 --> 03:15:27,740
But part of YouTube has been that, that has been there the whole time.

2070
03:15:27,740 --> 03:15:34,220
And that's okay. But remember that you can float wholesome content.

2071
03:15:34,220 --> 03:15:38,460
You can push wholesome content. You can push out these smaller creators more.

2072
03:15:38,460 --> 03:15:42,220
And I understand that you are, again, I do love YouTube.

2073
03:15:42,220 --> 03:15:46,540
But what I'm experiencing right now is that I'll see a video with, oh my God.

2074
03:15:46,540 --> 03:15:50,460
Yeah, this, I mean, I'll see a video with 19 million views,

2075
03:15:50,460 --> 03:15:54,140
which is the first thing that showed up when I, when I opened YouTube. Can I go to YouTube?

2076
03:15:54,140 --> 03:15:58,940
Yeah. But this might actually be a really cool video or a meme.

2077
03:15:58,940 --> 03:16:02,940
I'm not, yeah. Smash the rock. Yeah. Oh no, no, no. Okay, he's getting his stuff.

2078
03:16:02,940 --> 03:16:07,580
That might actually just be a really cool video. My point was more Mr. Beast type stuff.

2079
03:16:07,580 --> 03:16:11,660
But I might get a video with, perfect. I might get a video with millions of views

2080
03:16:11,660 --> 03:16:13,740
right next to a video with seven views.

2081
03:16:15,100 --> 03:16:22,700
Maybe somewhere in the middle a little bit. Right. Um, this is everything I'm seeing is these like huge dramatic, um,

2082
03:16:26,700 --> 03:16:30,060
I'm not necessarily into it, but I will say that's pretty quintessentially YouTube.

2083
03:16:31,340 --> 03:16:35,260
Yep. Um, but it's just, yeah, I don't know.

2084
03:16:35,260 --> 03:16:40,700
Bring, bring back the, the middle content. Um, bring back the wholesome stuff.

2085
03:16:40,780 --> 03:16:45,420
Bring back the stuff that someone's going to look back at their usage of YouTube positively.

2086
03:16:46,060 --> 03:16:50,140
Um, I, I think I really appreciate that they're adding these limiters,

2087
03:16:50,860 --> 03:16:54,060
the, these, the abilities to set your own limiters to things like shorts.

2088
03:16:54,620 --> 03:16:57,580
I remember back in the day when no one would have wanted that for YouTube.

2089
03:16:58,220 --> 03:17:03,180
Because YouTube is a space where you went to go learn things, uh, grow experience,

2090
03:17:03,900 --> 03:17:10,540
you know, see behind walls, all that kind of stuff. Um, and it's, it's going down the extreme brain rot funnel now.

2091
03:17:11,340 --> 03:17:15,500
Uh, where people are going to look back to their, their childhood of using YouTube

2092
03:17:15,500 --> 03:17:18,780
and only think of things that were just a waste of time for them.

2093
03:17:18,780 --> 03:17:24,460
And I think that's not necessary. And I think you can do that while keeping all of these different types of content on the platform,

2094
03:17:24,460 --> 03:17:31,420
but just not hyper pushing, um, these like objectively kind of things that aren't great for your brain.

2095
03:17:34,300 --> 03:17:38,540
Okay. Rant over. That's really good. Mind paradox made a really good point.

2096
03:17:38,540 --> 03:17:42,700
Hmm. Scientifically speaking, the earth is flat.

2097
03:17:43,260 --> 03:17:48,780
75% of the earth is water. 95% plus of that water is not carbonated.

2098
03:17:49,420 --> 03:17:53,580
Therefore, if we were to round, the earth is, is flat.

2099
03:17:53,580 --> 03:18:00,540
That isn't even the direction I thought they're going in. That's fantastic. In a sense, uh, that's pretty good.

2100
03:18:01,740 --> 03:18:06,940
Oh, acting like we didn't have things like Smosh and other linear brain rot.

2101
03:18:06,940 --> 03:18:10,940
No, I didn't. I didn't act like that at all. I've said that's been on the platform the entire time.

2102
03:18:10,940 --> 03:18:16,300
That is literally not what I said in the slightest. What I did say was how they promote different things,

2103
03:18:16,300 --> 03:18:22,140
and I don't expect them to not promote that. I'm just hoping that they try to really balance things out

2104
03:18:22,140 --> 03:18:26,540
and promote wholesome things as well. Like our, our brain rot was, was pretty bad.

2105
03:18:26,540 --> 03:18:29,180
Dude, we had some heavy brain rot. We had lots of it.

2106
03:18:30,220 --> 03:18:31,740
Oh my God, shoes.

2107
03:18:34,220 --> 03:18:37,340
Like, was it, was it in the show? Like this, this was massive.

2108
03:18:37,340 --> 03:18:43,260
Oh yeah. Oh no, I always hated that to be honest.

2109
03:18:43,260 --> 03:18:47,180
I never liked that. I was very confused why people were into that.

2110
03:18:49,580 --> 03:18:51,900
I, I, yeah, I was, yeah, whatever.

2111
03:18:53,100 --> 03:18:56,700
Um, again, I'm not expecting it to not happen.

2112
03:18:56,700 --> 03:19:02,460
I'm expecting it to be a little bit more measured, and I, I feel like, and it's a fit, it's such a fine line.

2113
03:19:02,460 --> 03:19:07,820
This is one of the reasons why I'm very happy to openly say that I love YouTube because my God is at a difficult line,

2114
03:19:07,900 --> 03:19:14,220
and they have straddled it so well for so long. I feel like we're just, we're just slipping a little too far one way,

2115
03:19:14,220 --> 03:19:19,020
and I'm just asking them to just try to bring it back a little bit. I don't want to swing too far this way.

2116
03:19:19,020 --> 03:19:22,060
We talked about that whole pendulum thing earlier in the show,

2117
03:19:22,060 --> 03:19:25,260
just because it's swaying a little bit this way. I don't want to bring it all the way back.

2118
03:19:25,260 --> 03:19:30,540
I just want it to try to be in the middle. I expect it to be full entertainment mode sometimes,

2119
03:19:30,540 --> 03:19:34,380
or you watch that slop and it's okay. It's fine. There's a place for that.

2120
03:19:34,380 --> 03:19:36,380
I just want the other stuff to also be brought up.

2121
03:19:38,620 --> 03:19:39,100
That's it.

2122
03:19:43,500 --> 03:19:49,100
I'm just trying to find another horribly stupid video from back then,

2123
03:19:49,100 --> 03:19:52,860
but I don't think I'm going to be able to, I don't think I'm going to be able to find it.

2124
03:19:52,860 --> 03:19:56,780
Do you want to pick another topic? Sure. Spyonsores.

2125
03:19:58,620 --> 03:20:04,220
Oh, but yeah, I suppose I could, I suppose I could do that.

2126
03:20:04,220 --> 03:20:09,260
I can do a topic while you get reset, if you want to look for something? I'm going to try and find a really stupid video.

2127
03:20:11,980 --> 03:20:17,580
Yeah, okay. Here we go. Here we go. Here's some of our old-school brain rot.

2128
03:20:18,300 --> 03:20:21,740
Hold on. I'm getting an ad. Thanks, YouTube. No, boy.

2129
03:20:24,300 --> 03:20:29,180
Anthropic and the DoD, there's OpenAI and the DoW.

2130
03:20:29,180 --> 03:20:30,940
There's a lot of stuff happening in the AI right now.

2131
03:20:34,700 --> 03:20:37,740
Oh my goodness. I would have never remembered this.

2132
03:20:40,220 --> 03:20:41,900
This made me think of power thirst.

2133
03:20:43,260 --> 03:20:44,300
Power thirst.

2134
03:20:47,740 --> 03:20:49,260
Wow. Anyway.

2135
03:20:51,500 --> 03:20:55,500
Sometimes you want just like dumb, silly, fun things. It's okay. I'm not saying to never do it.

2136
03:20:56,460 --> 03:20:58,140
Saying there's a balance. That's all.

2137
03:20:59,740 --> 03:21:03,260
All right. Should we talk about Burger King? Yeah, we should do that.

2138
03:21:03,260 --> 03:21:06,940
Burger King is vying for the throne of politeness. Thanks to AI.

2139
03:21:06,940 --> 03:21:11,820
What a title. Burger King is entering the AI chatbot race with Patty.

2140
03:21:11,820 --> 03:21:14,860
Okay. Unironically, pretty funny. The name?

2141
03:21:14,860 --> 03:21:22,620
Yeah. It's a good name. The OpenAI-powered Burger King assistant who will live in the headsets of employees

2142
03:21:23,180 --> 03:21:26,060
with the purpose of assisting with meal preparation,

2143
03:21:26,940 --> 03:21:32,780
notifying management of issues such as a downed point of sale or low stock,

2144
03:21:33,340 --> 03:21:38,780
as well as evaluating employee interactions with customers for friendliness

2145
03:21:38,780 --> 03:21:42,220
by tracking the use of phrases such as welcome to Burger King.

2146
03:21:42,780 --> 03:21:46,540
Please. And thank you. See, I don't think it's in the mic.

2147
03:21:47,100 --> 03:21:52,140
What says it's in the mic? Well, it would have to be. If it's listening to what you're saying as in the employee.

2148
03:21:52,140 --> 03:21:57,500
Oh, I thought, okay. I thought you meant like it would like override sometimes just start talking.

2149
03:21:57,500 --> 03:22:07,020
Okay. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. It's definitely listening. Yeah. So I thought this was peak dystopian.

2150
03:22:07,740 --> 03:22:11,740
I just think they were already doing it. That's why I didn't react too much. You think they were already doing this?

2151
03:22:12,380 --> 03:22:15,580
I thought they were already tracking phrases and stuff. Is that a thing?

2152
03:22:15,580 --> 03:22:21,340
I thought they were because everything that goes through the mic is technically going through a computer system like McDonald's has like server racks.

2153
03:22:21,340 --> 03:22:24,700
Are you sure? No, it's not.

2154
03:22:24,700 --> 03:22:37,580
No, I'm not sure to be clear. Okay. I just thought that. Cause I was not aware of this at all, but basically like this pretty much as far as

2155
03:22:37,580 --> 03:22:43,420
I can tell is like a turbocharged version of the coffee shop AI thing that I did be

2156
03:22:43,420 --> 03:22:52,060
showing Wanshore. Was I just talking to one of the writers about that? I can't remember, but it had like boxes around people and like said how many drinks that they

2157
03:22:52,060 --> 03:22:56,620
had made in the last hour and like tracked how long customers had been sitting at

2158
03:22:56,620 --> 03:22:59,260
particular tables. These are the types of things that I thought kind of already existed.

2159
03:22:59,820 --> 03:23:03,100
But this, putting it right in the headset.

2160
03:23:03,100 --> 03:23:08,940
So all of a sudden you could get like a counseling notice for forgetting to say please to a customer

2161
03:23:09,580 --> 03:23:12,940
10 times in one day or like whatever threshold they set.

2162
03:23:13,580 --> 03:23:15,900
Like this is, this is the step.

2163
03:23:16,860 --> 03:23:22,060
This is it. This is the step before complete human replacement.

2164
03:23:23,100 --> 03:23:26,140
Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah, for sure.

2165
03:23:26,620 --> 03:23:33,500
And I feel like I was talking to Yvonne about this because this is going to be, this is going

2166
03:23:33,500 --> 03:23:37,900
to be one of those times when I feel like people are some, there's going to be a group

2167
03:23:37,900 --> 03:23:45,740
of people that are not going to like what I say as, as an employer who at this time in

2168
03:23:45,740 --> 03:23:51,100
companies wholly owned and operated by himself has somewhere in the neighborhood of around

2169
03:23:51,100 --> 03:23:57,340
150 plus people. Because usually when we give the employee account, we're just talking like Linus Media

2170
03:23:57,340 --> 03:24:01,740
Group and like closely affiliated companies, but you know, you start to bake in things like

2171
03:24:01,740 --> 03:24:05,820
the Smashchamps badminton club. Like they've got a lot of part-timers. It's, it's retail, right?

2172
03:24:05,820 --> 03:24:08,220
Like it's a bit of a different situation.

2173
03:24:11,180 --> 03:24:19,980
We've had major issues sometimes with people who in many cases, like we don't always get

2174
03:24:19,980 --> 03:24:26,620
pay scales perfect, but with people who in many cases are very competitively compensated for

2175
03:24:26,620 --> 03:24:36,460
what they're doing, doing things on the clock that I think it would be hard to argue are not

2176
03:24:39,580 --> 03:24:43,820
unacceptable. So for instance, you know, are not acceptable.

2177
03:24:43,820 --> 03:24:48,060
Hiding in a bathroom and having a nap when you are on shift.

2178
03:24:48,060 --> 03:24:55,900
Really? Yeah. So, so there's a, there's a certain corner of the internet for whom wage theft exists,

2179
03:24:56,540 --> 03:24:57,980
but time theft does not.

2180
03:25:01,180 --> 03:25:05,980
Trying to have a balanced take here. I say they both exist.

2181
03:25:07,340 --> 03:25:13,900
Sure. And to some people that will be, that will be very controversial to them.

2182
03:25:13,900 --> 03:25:18,300
I say, hey, you run a business.

2183
03:25:18,300 --> 03:25:21,020
See how well that works for you. All right. Cool. Good chat.

2184
03:25:21,580 --> 03:25:24,860
Output. All right. So with that in mind,

2185
03:25:28,060 --> 03:25:35,580
basically how my conversation with Yvonne went was there's, there's a huge problem

2186
03:25:36,380 --> 03:25:43,580
because you have, and I think it's really important to point this out, a minority of employees

2187
03:25:44,220 --> 03:25:52,300
who behave in such a way that supervision is necessary.

2188
03:25:54,460 --> 03:26:03,020
You have, I hope, a minority of employers who behave in such an overbearing manner

2189
03:26:03,020 --> 03:26:07,180
that we have exceeded supervision and we have made it to monitoring.

2190
03:26:07,180 --> 03:26:11,260
There are many such cases, however, where there's like, maybe there's one bad apple,

2191
03:26:11,260 --> 03:26:15,500
maybe one person fell asleep in one bathroom. Well, that's not what I'm talking about.

2192
03:26:15,500 --> 03:26:23,820
Sure. But there tends to be some really oddly expensive to the point where you're never

2193
03:26:23,820 --> 03:26:28,540
going to pay it back off and overbearing reactions.

2194
03:26:29,660 --> 03:26:31,740
That's kind of where I'm going with this.

2195
03:26:33,020 --> 03:26:39,820
So you exceed supervision, which in my mind should largely be traditionally human

2196
03:26:40,620 --> 03:26:44,940
supervision, right? So you exceed supervision, you make it into monitoring.

2197
03:26:44,940 --> 03:26:50,140
You make it into, yeah, I think monitoring.

2198
03:26:50,140 --> 03:26:51,980
Let's just pop it, yeah.

2199
03:26:53,340 --> 03:26:59,180
And I think, I think part of our problem right now is that we're in a death spiral

2200
03:27:00,220 --> 03:27:07,180
because the more of this monitoring level of supervision, the more you make your way into

2201
03:27:07,500 --> 03:27:12,700
complete breach of autonomy and privacy at any given moment.

2202
03:27:14,220 --> 03:27:21,740
The more disenfranchised you might have a worker become and the bottom line is, as a business,

2203
03:27:21,740 --> 03:27:25,820
you're never going to be happy about giving money to someone who's not getting work done.

2204
03:27:25,820 --> 03:27:29,500
And if they're not getting work done because of how hyper disenfranchised they are,

2205
03:27:30,140 --> 03:27:34,540
that's not going to change. You're not going to want to pay them to do work they're not doing.

2206
03:27:35,500 --> 03:27:39,180
And then you're going to try to monitor them more. They become more disenfranchised.

2207
03:27:39,180 --> 03:27:46,860
They want to do less work. And I feel like while in any individual workplace, you can break the cycle collectively.

2208
03:27:47,420 --> 03:27:50,620
As like, as a people. As a society. Yeah.

2209
03:27:50,620 --> 03:27:53,020
I feel like we're circling the drain here.

2210
03:27:54,540 --> 03:27:57,900
And I think, I mean, wages are not keeping up.

2211
03:27:58,860 --> 03:28:05,740
It's hard to be motivated at work when you make work long hours, make little money, whatever that.

2212
03:28:06,540 --> 03:28:10,060
Lawsworth says, I think the word you're looking for is micromanagement.

2213
03:28:10,060 --> 03:28:17,580
But I'm not because there's a big difference between micromanagement, which might be necessary

2214
03:28:17,580 --> 03:28:22,300
in some cases, or that person should just be let go.

2215
03:28:22,300 --> 03:28:29,980
But sometimes that's not what you want to do. Sometimes you'd rather kind of go, okay, no, like we really need to carefully set expectations here,

2216
03:28:29,980 --> 03:28:36,940
you know, whatever it is, right? But that's really different from, I have a camera trained on you at all times,

2217
03:28:36,940 --> 03:28:43,660
that has an AI monitoring it, that is compiling data and stats, that I can go back retroactively

2218
03:28:43,660 --> 03:28:47,500
and dig through anytime you were ever on shift in any little thing you ever did.

2219
03:28:47,500 --> 03:28:53,660
That's not micromanagement. That's like, that's spying, if that makes sense.

2220
03:28:53,660 --> 03:28:57,020
And to be clear, like we have cameras in our places of work, we're on camera right now,

2221
03:28:57,020 --> 03:29:00,460
and I'm not talking about that one, or this one, or this one.

2222
03:29:01,820 --> 03:29:05,420
Where is it? Whatever, it's in here. There's a security camera in here.

2223
03:29:05,420 --> 03:29:08,140
Thanks, Dan. Dan pointed out, I still can't see it.

2224
03:29:09,100 --> 03:29:13,100
Whatever, I assume Dan knows what's going on. Look at him, that's the face of a man.

2225
03:29:13,100 --> 03:29:15,020
It's over there, in the corner. Thanks, Dan, perfect.

2226
03:29:17,100 --> 03:29:23,100
And, oh man, see this is where the realities of running a business

2227
03:29:23,660 --> 03:29:31,420
kind of coincide or collide with some of my philosophical, I wish it was this way, beliefs.

2228
03:29:31,420 --> 03:29:37,020
Like at Smash Shams, for instance, the extensive security system that we have

2229
03:29:37,020 --> 03:29:40,860
has resulted in reduced shrink for our retail operation.

2230
03:29:40,860 --> 03:29:47,260
It has resulted in multiple cases where we have been able to bend members

2231
03:29:47,260 --> 03:29:50,620
who have stolen from our other members. Oh.

2232
03:29:50,620 --> 03:29:53,180
Oh yeah, I mean, dude, people are f***ed up, man.

2233
03:29:53,660 --> 03:29:58,220
It's like, we're trying to have a community here, we're trying to just like play sports together,

2234
03:29:58,780 --> 03:30:04,860
and you've got people that will be caught, caught in 4K, taking something that's not theirs,

2235
03:30:04,860 --> 03:30:09,100
and we have literally heard the, oh, I didn't know that belonged to them line.

2236
03:30:09,980 --> 03:30:12,380
I f***ing hate that line.

2237
03:30:13,740 --> 03:30:16,300
Did it belong to you? Did it belong to you?

2238
03:30:18,380 --> 03:30:20,060
Then why would you take it?

2239
03:30:21,660 --> 03:30:27,820
I hate that, I get, I get. Shriggered by that line, yeah, we've had rackets, shuttles.

2240
03:30:28,860 --> 03:30:38,380
Shuttles are becoming a big one because they've become so expensive, and even used like ratbag

2241
03:30:38,380 --> 03:30:42,780
shuttles are actually going for money, not much, it's like by the pound,

2242
03:30:42,780 --> 03:30:46,540
because people will use them for training, they'll use them for just like feet and drills and stuff,

2243
03:30:46,540 --> 03:30:51,420
and it used to be that those were considered like, oh, here you go, worthless.

2244
03:30:52,140 --> 03:30:57,020
Now they're like, worth money now because new shuttles have gotten so expensive,

2245
03:30:57,020 --> 03:31:01,660
and so because people like need to carry a tube around with them, and because all the tubes

2246
03:31:01,660 --> 03:31:05,740
kind of look the same, like with rackets, people have like in their bag, you'd have to be pretty

2247
03:31:05,740 --> 03:31:09,340
conspicuous to like open someone's bag and take a racket out, right?

2248
03:31:09,340 --> 03:31:11,660
But shuttles, they'll have them on the bench, you know?

2249
03:31:12,700 --> 03:31:16,540
And so we, yeah, we've had, we've had cases with rackets, we've had cases with phones.

2250
03:31:17,100 --> 03:31:20,540
Oh, right. A phone is so like personal.

2251
03:31:21,500 --> 03:31:25,580
Yeah, that one was really unfortunate because it was an acquaintance of an acquaintance,

2252
03:31:25,580 --> 03:31:32,300
it was, it was a known person, so that was a really unfortunate conversation to have to have.

2253
03:31:32,300 --> 03:31:39,100
Don't like that. You know, we've had, like we've had all kinds of things, we had an allegation from a neighbor

2254
03:31:39,100 --> 03:31:47,180
that a member performed a bio act in public near our facility.

2255
03:31:47,180 --> 03:31:51,500
Oh, yeah. And we had to, you know, we had to track that down.

2256
03:31:51,500 --> 03:31:54,700
That was wild. And so, and look, we've only been, we've only been-

2257
03:31:54,700 --> 03:32:00,300
That was like a GTA moment. Dude, we've been operating for a year, and already this is just,

2258
03:32:00,300 --> 03:32:04,460
this is just the stuff that's flowing off the top of my head, man, right?

2259
03:32:04,460 --> 03:32:07,420
And so I'm sitting here going like, yeah, on the one hand,

2260
03:32:08,060 --> 03:32:11,740
you know, yeah, we shouldn't like, we shouldn't like have cameras everywhere, man,

2261
03:32:11,740 --> 03:32:17,660
and like all the cameras, man. But on the other hand, I'm sitting here going, how on earth would we have resolved some of this

2262
03:32:17,660 --> 03:32:20,940
stuff if we didn't have a record that we could track back to?

2263
03:32:20,940 --> 03:32:24,220
I think it depends on the usage of it. Was the bio moment solo?

2264
03:32:24,220 --> 03:32:28,220
Yeah, it was a solo bio moment, for sure, for sure, bud.

2265
03:32:30,380 --> 03:32:41,980
Yeah, I think like, like, are you sitting there in an office upstairs with the like stock broker style monitors,

2266
03:32:41,980 --> 03:32:46,780
just staring at all your employees all day? If so, no, I'm not, no, no, no, no.

2267
03:32:46,780 --> 03:32:52,780
Oh, I was gonna say, you know I don't have that console. So if you're doing something like that, like that's clearly like, oh my God, go away.

2268
03:32:52,780 --> 03:32:58,300
If you're reviewing footage in case of incidents, that no longer really bothers me.

2269
03:32:58,300 --> 03:33:05,420
I think, I'm pretty sure in Canada, you can't record audio in a work, in like an office style

2270
03:33:05,420 --> 03:33:08,860
workplace. Oh, I don't know. I think that's a thing.

2271
03:33:13,820 --> 03:33:17,820
Yeah, we're trying to figure out, because I think we wanted the audio for the badminton

2272
03:33:17,820 --> 03:33:22,460
footage or something. Oh yeah, yeah, for like games.

2273
03:33:22,460 --> 03:33:27,980
Can we? And then there was like something, because it's a public venue and it's like a service that's

2274
03:33:28,060 --> 03:33:33,260
being offered and therefore talked about and there's like signs and stuff, then it like becomes

2275
03:33:33,260 --> 03:33:39,740
more fine. But if I remember correctly, regardless of the signs situation, if it's just like an office,

2276
03:33:39,740 --> 03:33:43,740
you just can't do it. Like it's a... I think it was more okay for the public.

2277
03:33:43,740 --> 03:33:49,500
It wasn't okay for the employees. Yeah. SF Wong, this is a good one, has a business.

2278
03:33:49,500 --> 03:33:53,660
What about using AI to monitor things like a manufacturing floor to do time studies and

2279
03:33:53,660 --> 03:33:57,340
improve inefficiencies rather than to judge people? So that's, oh my, what the?

2280
03:33:58,780 --> 03:34:02,860
Boy, are you ever... Boy, are you ever treading a fine line there.

2281
03:34:02,860 --> 03:34:07,500
That's not treading the fine line, they're just rolling back and forth across it.

2282
03:34:07,500 --> 03:34:18,700
No, I mean, the world's most ethical manufacturing foreman, sure, could be looking purely for

2283
03:34:18,700 --> 03:34:22,540
ways that they could improve their own performance by laying...

2284
03:34:22,540 --> 03:34:29,500
What I'm saying is not untrue by laying out the stations more efficiently or whatever,

2285
03:34:30,140 --> 03:34:37,980
but literally any human being in existence would also be looking at the other meatbags out there

2286
03:34:37,980 --> 03:34:42,220
and figuring out which ones of them are scrolling on their phone instead of

2287
03:34:42,940 --> 03:34:46,220
popping widgets together or whatever else it is they're supposed to be doing.

2288
03:34:46,220 --> 03:34:51,900
And it's very like inhuman to expect people to be 100% on task for four hours and then

2289
03:34:51,900 --> 03:35:00,140
30 minutes later, four more hours. It's like not really how humans work, but there's, yeah.

2290
03:35:00,140 --> 03:35:03,660
So things get a little bit weird because you give people too much data and then they're like,

2291
03:35:03,660 --> 03:35:06,940
wait, I don't like that. I paid for that minute. I need you working for that minute.

2292
03:35:08,140 --> 03:35:12,780
And again, it's just not really how people work, but then how do you find the acceptable

2293
03:35:13,420 --> 03:35:17,820
bar because you actually do need output from them or else your business closes.

2294
03:35:17,820 --> 03:35:21,180
So like it's, yeah.

2295
03:35:22,060 --> 03:35:26,700
That's where like ideally you find in my perfect happy fun time world,

2296
03:35:26,700 --> 03:35:29,180
ideally you find a measurable... Can I work there?

2297
03:35:30,620 --> 03:35:35,020
Ideally you find a measurable amount of output that you want from this person that is worth

2298
03:35:35,020 --> 03:35:40,460
the amount of money you're paying for them. And if they're hitting that output, it doesn't really matter too much on the other end,

2299
03:35:40,460 --> 03:35:45,340
but that's certain positions. It's really hard to measure relative.

2300
03:35:45,340 --> 03:35:51,260
Yeah, that too. But it can be like, okay, what if this isn't a widget maker, right?

2301
03:35:51,260 --> 03:35:58,540
Like what if this is something completely different? How do you, how do you measure the output of every single possible role at Linus Media Group,

2302
03:35:58,540 --> 03:36:01,980
for example? No. Like that's potentially impossible.

2303
03:36:01,980 --> 03:36:03,740
We have a really...

2304
03:36:06,140 --> 03:36:09,180
We have a weird business and we have a lot of people that wear a lot of funky hats,

2305
03:36:09,900 --> 03:36:15,340
not even normal hats. We have a lot of people that wear some really weird hats and potentially a lot of them at once.

2306
03:36:15,340 --> 03:36:18,940
So it's like, how do you measure the output of that person? Almost impossible.

2307
03:36:18,940 --> 03:36:22,540
Very difficult. So, yeah.

2308
03:36:22,540 --> 03:36:28,380
I mean, it's something that we often come up against as we're sort of figuring out

2309
03:36:30,700 --> 03:36:42,060
how you measure output, how you track that against costs, how you try to optimize.

2310
03:36:42,460 --> 03:36:45,500
You know, it's a good thing though.

2311
03:36:45,500 --> 03:36:51,020
I think it's one of the things that keeps the content always changing, keeps working here dynamic.

2312
03:36:52,380 --> 03:36:55,900
Like it's been interesting watching people comment recently that,

2313
03:36:57,500 --> 03:37:01,900
you know, the reason LTT is going downhill is because they've had a lot of turnover in

2314
03:37:01,900 --> 03:37:05,020
their on-screen personalities and I'm kind of sitting here going,

2315
03:37:05,020 --> 03:37:09,100
okay, A, all you have to do is go as far as social blade to find out that no,

2316
03:37:09,100 --> 03:37:15,500
in fact, viewership has not gone down since those events. In fact, it's a little bit up since then, which I'm not attributing to that either.

2317
03:37:15,500 --> 03:37:23,660
I'm just saying the causation relationship that you have conjured out of your brain hole

2318
03:37:23,660 --> 03:37:25,420
is not actually a thing that happened.

2319
03:37:28,700 --> 03:37:36,780
And one of the things that's cool about LMG is that as we have changes,

2320
03:37:37,500 --> 03:37:42,300
we just kind of adapt. We just, we make new styles of content.

2321
03:37:42,300 --> 03:37:48,060
We're always looking for what is exciting to whoever the team that's here is.

2322
03:37:49,500 --> 03:37:56,940
We're always changing. We've been around for 17 years, guys.

2323
03:37:58,380 --> 03:38:05,420
17 years. In that time, my interests, believe it or not, have changed.

2324
03:38:07,100 --> 03:38:13,260
Dramatically. A fair bit. Your interests have altered in the,

2325
03:38:13,260 --> 03:38:16,140
where do you up to? You got to be up to like 13?

2326
03:38:16,940 --> 03:38:20,140
15. That can't be right.

2327
03:38:20,140 --> 03:38:25,660
Pretty sure it is. From NCX days. 15. 13 would be since working for Linus Media Group.

2328
03:38:26,780 --> 03:38:30,140
And Linus Media Group hasn't existed for 13 years, not till the end of this year.

2329
03:38:31,020 --> 03:38:34,940
Okay. So then 14? Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

2330
03:38:34,940 --> 03:38:37,260
Oh no. Is LTT at 18 now?

2331
03:38:42,060 --> 03:38:45,580
I hope not. Oh man, I'm getting so old. 2020.

2332
03:38:47,260 --> 03:38:48,940
Wait, what?

2333
03:38:50,780 --> 03:38:57,660
Oh, got confused. Six years ago, the first LTT video was posted on Reddit.

2334
03:38:58,220 --> 03:39:04,460
So 2020 is the post date of this Reddit post, not the, okay, 17 years, November 2008.

2335
03:39:04,460 --> 03:39:08,380
So we'll be at 18 this year. Good lordy.

2336
03:39:09,580 --> 03:39:13,660
Anyway, so where I was going with this is that you're going to see the content

2337
03:39:13,660 --> 03:39:16,620
continue to change. And I think that's part of what has given us our staying power.

2338
03:39:17,180 --> 03:39:20,300
I'm actually really excited to see some of the stuff that,

2339
03:39:20,300 --> 03:39:24,860
David Pankratz made his solo on camera debut recently over on ShortCircuit,

2340
03:39:24,860 --> 03:39:28,060
checking out a Der Bauer branded like test bench.

2341
03:39:29,660 --> 03:39:33,980
Actually, one of our editors did a ShortCircuit recently that I thought was really good.

2342
03:39:33,980 --> 03:39:41,500
It didn't get a ton of views, but when I was, I don't always feel compelled to message the

2343
03:39:41,500 --> 03:39:47,820
production or crew or the host when I review one of our videos. But this was one that I reviewed

2344
03:39:47,820 --> 03:39:56,060
just because he was new. And I thought Peter just did like an outstanding job of this video.

2345
03:39:58,060 --> 03:40:04,140
The feedback on it is quite positive, but yeah, just needs a few more views, guys.

2346
03:40:04,140 --> 03:40:11,340
Go check it out. It's a really, really good video. And a fight deck is not something that we would

2347
03:40:11,340 --> 03:40:18,780
have had the internal interest to cover in the past, like super high level unboxing. I think you

2348
03:40:18,780 --> 03:40:24,380
might find Razor did one like a thousand years ago that we did an unboxing of. I remember that.

2349
03:40:25,020 --> 03:40:28,220
I think we still have those. Really? Yeah, but those would be like,

2350
03:40:31,420 --> 03:40:36,940
those would be like garbage by today's standards. Oh my God. Remember when our thumbnails looked

2351
03:40:36,940 --> 03:40:45,740
like that? Just text on the entire thing. Why was I feeling so aggressive that day? Who knows?

2352
03:40:48,860 --> 03:40:52,700
That's funny. Yeah, well, it was a different time. It was a different time.

2353
03:40:53,900 --> 03:41:00,620
Yeah, I think stuff like this and part of that I think is kind of the beauty of ShortCircuit is

2354
03:41:00,620 --> 03:41:07,660
you're going to have some weird stuff on there sometimes. And I think junk food swirl

2355
03:41:07,660 --> 03:41:11,500
might not get a bunch of clicks just because of what it is, but that doesn't necessarily mean the

2356
03:41:11,500 --> 03:41:23,180
video is bad. This is great. Tyler R says, I miss the old text thumbnails. I meticulously copied it.

2357
03:41:23,180 --> 03:41:27,260
Good for you. The WAN Show. Do you want a photoshop template? We post that.

2358
03:41:27,660 --> 03:41:36,620
I don't think anybody needs that. What they do need is to hear about Drop. No longer operating as

2359
03:41:36,620 --> 03:41:45,500
a standalone business by March 31st. Drop founded in 2012 as Mastrop is closing its standalone

2360
03:41:45,500 --> 03:41:52,540
e-commerce store at the end of next month as part of the Corsair integration following the 2023

2361
03:41:52,540 --> 03:41:58,860
acquisition. The last day to place orders is March 25th and Drop rewards will also expire that day,

2362
03:41:58,860 --> 03:42:05,900
so use them or lose them. Drop.com will become a landing page for brand collabs under the Corsair

2363
03:42:05,900 --> 03:42:14,140
umbrella. Community reaction is generally negative so far for the people who still manage to care,

2364
03:42:15,260 --> 03:42:19,660
which seems like not many. I saw some, I did actually read through some of this

2365
03:42:19,660 --> 03:42:25,580
and I saw a few people comment that the newsletter, which is apparently a big part of Drop's deal,

2366
03:42:25,580 --> 03:42:30,620
has just been kind of full of the same stuff over and over again lately. I think Drop in general

2367
03:42:30,620 --> 03:42:35,260
has kind of been like that. I remember back in the day I used to go to Mastrop when it was Mastrop,

2368
03:42:35,260 --> 03:42:41,260
like all the time. I was genuinely on there like a lot, but it was because they'd have a lot of

2369
03:42:41,260 --> 03:42:48,780
really weird stuff come through that was interesting. However, they used to be really into like knives.

2370
03:42:49,340 --> 03:42:54,220
Oh yeah. That makes sense. Like everyday carry. Yeah, they were huge in the everyday carry scene.

2371
03:42:54,220 --> 03:42:59,980
There were tons of other stuff and for a long time now it's been mechanical keyboards, headphones.

2372
03:42:59,980 --> 03:43:06,380
That's it. It's like, okay, after a while I have a keyboard I like. I have some headphones that I

2373
03:43:06,380 --> 03:43:10,700
like. There's no real reason for me to come back to the website if that's all they're ever really

2374
03:43:10,700 --> 03:43:18,060
doing now. But yeah, they used to get into some funky stuff and they were really around the original

2375
03:43:18,060 --> 03:43:23,180
idea of Mastrop, which was just like using collectivism to get cheaper prices on things.

2376
03:43:24,460 --> 03:43:32,220
And that was really neat. And then they stopped doing that, I guess. Corsair was a really weird

2377
03:43:32,220 --> 03:43:39,260
company to take public. Like this seems like it has not gone particularly well. Yeah.

2378
03:43:40,620 --> 03:43:43,980
The timing was a little rough, wasn't it? Didn't they go public over COVID?

2379
03:43:43,980 --> 03:43:49,740
Here, Max, I think so. Maybe their goal was just go public during COVID.

2380
03:43:49,740 --> 03:43:52,620
Well, it was at a high, right? Everyone was like hyper into gaming and streaming.

2381
03:43:53,660 --> 03:44:00,620
I mean, the owner is out, I think. Don't quote me on that though. Does Andy Paul still own any of...

2382
03:44:01,180 --> 03:44:06,460
Oh, does he not have a Wikipedia page? Well, that's something that he won't have in common

2383
03:44:06,460 --> 03:44:13,180
with you if we get our way. Oh my God. Don't never forget, guys, Luke Lefrenier needs a Wikipedia

2384
03:44:13,180 --> 03:44:22,140
page. Yeah, Hobbes is saying they used to have actual group eyes, too, that were exclusive to

2385
03:44:22,140 --> 03:44:27,340
Mastrop. Seriously, how important is this guy compared to Luke Lefrenier? Is this your relative,

2386
03:44:27,340 --> 03:44:32,780
by the way? Yeah. Oh, that's cool. Very, very disconnected, but technically along the line

2387
03:44:32,780 --> 03:44:40,620
somewhere, yes. That's super neat. I poked through a couple family relatives to figure out, like,

2388
03:44:40,620 --> 03:44:45,980
is there a chain... Oh, whoa, he's good. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Dang. I was thinking about,

2389
03:44:45,980 --> 03:44:49,660
get, my dad has one of his jerseys. I was thinking about one of, getting one of his jerseys recently.

2390
03:44:49,660 --> 03:44:58,300
14 points in 16 games in the 23-24 playoffs. Bit of a gamer. They're not doing so great, though.

2391
03:44:58,300 --> 03:45:03,500
The Rangers, yeah. Yeah. So there, his jersey was on sale recently, and I might actually grab one,

2392
03:45:03,500 --> 03:45:07,740
because it'd be kind of cool to have a jersey with your name on the back that is not a custom jersey.

2393
03:45:08,460 --> 03:45:11,100
You know, that's pretty sick. That's pretty cool.

2394
03:45:13,740 --> 03:45:18,460
What was I going to say? Yeah, Insomniac in Phil Pinchott also said it's kind of like what

2395
03:45:18,460 --> 03:45:23,100
happened to Humble Bundle over the last five-ish years. Humble Bundle is still a thing.

2396
03:45:23,100 --> 03:45:25,740
Humble Bundle is still a thing? Wait, no, I think I knew that. No, no, I knew that.

2397
03:45:27,980 --> 03:45:33,260
Humble Bundle. What do they have? What do they do? Get great games every month with Humble Choice

2398
03:45:33,260 --> 03:45:39,740
for only $18. Oh, it's a subscription. Is it a subscription? I think it's a variety of things.

2399
03:45:41,260 --> 03:45:46,780
Bundles. Okay, games. About books. Oh, yeah. You can Humble Bundle books. They had some Linux

2400
03:45:46,780 --> 03:45:51,980
administration thing recently, and I was like, oh, interesting. And then I was like, I'm not

2401
03:45:51,980 --> 03:45:57,500
diving that far in. I think you get to keep them, though. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. So it's not like,

2402
03:45:57,500 --> 03:46:03,100
I think GameBass works. No, no, no, no. Yeah, it's a, I don't know if there is a subscription

2403
03:46:03,100 --> 03:46:08,620
or not, but either way, Humble Bundle has always been, you keep it. So if they did have one, I'm

2404
03:46:08,620 --> 03:46:16,940
sure it would be, it'd be like a loot box kind of thing. Not a pay to access. Okay, so these are just

2405
03:46:19,580 --> 03:46:25,580
overwhelmingly positive games bundle. I mean, that sounds pretty good. I like overwhelmingly

2406
03:46:25,660 --> 03:46:33,180
positive things. Here we go. All right. But then I have to pay at least

2407
03:46:34,700 --> 03:46:40,380
$20 and 46 cents. Oh, you will get, you will get all eight items. Oh, yeah. All of these are all

2408
03:46:40,380 --> 03:46:49,340
items. So what if I put in a dollar? Oh, okay. No, you have to pay at least $20 and 46. Okay,

2409
03:46:49,340 --> 03:46:53,260
that's interesting. It's not that bad for that many games. I don't know how much they cost outside

2410
03:46:53,260 --> 03:46:59,260
of Humble Bundle. Yeah, me neither. But apparently they're all like super, super positive.

2411
03:46:59,260 --> 03:47:02,460
Highly rated. So that's something. What is bug fables?

2412
03:47:02,460 --> 03:47:07,020
Monster train is good. I played monster train. Oh, yeah. Okay. I found a bug in that game that made

2413
03:47:07,020 --> 03:47:14,620
me like, I could beat anything no matter what. They have this, I played both monster trains now.

2414
03:47:14,620 --> 03:47:20,460
I think that's monster train one. In monster train two, there's like different floors and you put

2415
03:47:20,460 --> 03:47:24,700
your units on the floors and then enemies come on and they attack once and then they go up a floor.

2416
03:47:25,260 --> 03:47:31,820
And I found this mechanic where there's a card where you, you can play the card and then it will

2417
03:47:31,820 --> 03:47:36,540
move one of your characters on the floor. And then there's an affix that you can put on the

2418
03:47:36,540 --> 03:47:40,540
character that makes it so that they gain a permanent stat when they move. But the,

2419
03:47:41,580 --> 03:47:46,300
it would try to figure out where the character would move before you played the card when you

2420
03:47:46,300 --> 03:47:51,020
would hover the card over. But that would mean that the character would move as far as the game

2421
03:47:51,020 --> 03:47:55,900
was concerned. So you could just highlight the card over and then un-highlight the card rapidly

2422
03:47:55,900 --> 03:48:05,180
and you just gain permanent stats. Just completely broke the game. I did it for one run because I

2423
03:48:05,180 --> 03:48:09,260
thought it was funny. And then I was like, I'm never doing that again. I have to like, you know,

2424
03:48:09,260 --> 03:48:13,020
it removes the entire fun of the game if you do that. But yeah, I just made it, you could just

2425
03:48:13,020 --> 03:48:21,180
one-shot anything. It was, it's pretty good. It's pretty good. Cool. Let's one-shot this message

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articles from several sources and let you see things like political bias, ownership, and how

2439
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reliable the reporting tends to be. Let's talk about NVIDIA for a second. When it comes to covering

2440
03:49:41,900 --> 03:49:46,940
NVIDIA, and specifically talking about AI, it doesn't look like the right-wing side of the

2441
03:49:46,940 --> 03:49:52,060
media landscape reports as much as the left. And we see this mirrored in another story regarding

2442
03:49:52,060 --> 03:49:57,740
Google rolling out Nanobanana 2, an update to a Gemini's AI image generation model. Based on

2443
03:49:57,740 --> 03:50:01,580
the information on GroundNews, it seems that right-leaning sources only report on AI news

2444
03:50:01,580 --> 03:50:07,500
would involve Wall Street earnings. Things like the blind spot feature or these bias breakdowns

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2447
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leads very well into another topic, which is that Paramount is set to take over Warner Brothers.

2448
03:50:30,540 --> 03:50:35,180
Netflix has officially dropped out of the bidding war to acquire Warner Bros. Discovery,

2449
03:50:35,180 --> 03:50:42,460
which leaves Paramount Skydance in the lead to acquire Warner Bros. Pictures, CNN, and HBO Max.

2450
03:50:43,100 --> 03:50:51,420
Paramount already owns CBS, Paramount Plus, Comedy Central, and Nickelodeon. They agreed to pay a

2451
03:50:51,420 --> 03:50:57,580
massive $7 billion termination fee if the deal fails to get regulatory approval.

2452
03:50:58,460 --> 03:51:05,420
Netflix's co-CEO stated that they declined to match Paramount's revised $31 a share offer,

2453
03:51:05,420 --> 03:51:11,740
so approximately $111 billion, because it is no longer financially attractive.

2454
03:51:11,740 --> 03:51:17,340
Yeah, I should think not. There's a significant amount of political drama surrounding this deal,

2455
03:51:17,340 --> 03:51:24,860
because Paramount's bid is not enabled by Paramount doing so good that they have so much

2456
03:51:24,860 --> 03:51:30,460
money that they can run around scooping up former competitors. It's because instead, Paramount's

2457
03:51:30,460 --> 03:51:37,420
bid is backed by a major right-wing donor, Larry Ellison. Meanwhile, Netflix's co-CEO, Ted Sarandos,

2458
03:51:37,420 --> 03:51:40,460
reportedly visited the White House hours before dropping out of the bidding war.

2459
03:51:41,820 --> 03:51:46,060
Interesting. The merger isn't finalized yet, but is expected to face heavy scrutiny,

2460
03:51:46,060 --> 03:51:51,100
well will it though, from both the US Department of Justice and, this is more likely, from European

2461
03:51:51,100 --> 03:51:55,100
regulators. The California Attorney General has already confirmed that there's an open

2462
03:51:55,100 --> 03:52:02,940
investigation with the California DOJ. Discussion question, is streaming trending towards a giant

2463
03:52:02,940 --> 03:52:11,740
monopoly worse than we ever had with cable TV? Yes. Yes, it is. That's why the pirate hats are coming out.

2464
03:52:16,380 --> 03:52:17,340
Yeah, so this is

2465
03:52:21,180 --> 03:52:27,260
more consolidation in the media we consume is bad. Yeah. I will say that, and hopefully

2466
03:52:28,140 --> 03:52:33,260
that is simple enough that everyone on every side of the political spectrum can

2467
03:52:35,020 --> 03:52:45,340
kind of go, oh yeah, that makes sense, and recognize that this is bad. Cool. Good chat.

2468
03:52:45,340 --> 03:52:55,740
By the way, Paramount owned CNN. Yeah, I said that.

2469
03:52:55,740 --> 03:53:00,700
Oh, okay, I didn't hear that part. So this is going to be very interesting in terms of-

2470
03:53:00,700 --> 03:53:04,060
It's like a pretty obvious reason why there's so much pressure to actually do this.

2471
03:53:04,060 --> 03:53:10,540
Yes, that's as far as I can tell the only reason that certain people involved in facilitating

2472
03:53:10,620 --> 03:53:16,300
this deal have any interest in it whatsoever. Speaking of weird stuff, HP is selling 1.2

2473
03:53:16,300 --> 03:53:24,140
terabyte laptops on Amazon. Kinda. The HP store on Amazon is selling low-end entry laptops,

2474
03:53:24,140 --> 03:53:33,500
and advertising them as 1 terabyte plus devices. The catch? 1 terabyte of the storage is OneDrive

2475
03:53:33,500 --> 03:53:42,060
cloud storage. Also, in the case of this 1.6 terabyte one, 512 gigs of it seems to be-

2476
03:53:42,620 --> 03:53:47,100
Oh wait, 512 gigs of it seems to be a portable hard drive. Wait, what?

2477
03:53:49,660 --> 03:53:52,940
Let me see if I can find it. What is this picture? Is this AI?

2478
03:53:56,380 --> 03:54:00,540
Could be. That water bottle is on her knee.

2479
03:54:01,340 --> 03:54:06,780
This- Is this just bad Photoshop or is this AI? I can't tell. Cause like clearly this shadow

2480
03:54:06,780 --> 03:54:10,060
under here would also- She would have shadows under her fingers.

2481
03:54:10,060 --> 03:54:12,380
Yeah, but like where's the water bottle? Oh, yeah.

2482
03:54:13,420 --> 03:54:17,180
Yeah, it's AI. You think it's AI? I'm pretty sure. It could be a bad Photoshop.

2483
03:54:17,900 --> 03:54:21,500
Uh, well, what's the graph? Yeah, let's have a look at these.

2484
03:54:22,860 --> 03:54:27,500
That's AI. This is AI. Yep, okay.

2485
03:54:31,180 --> 03:54:34,540
Nice. Okay. Well, that answers it. Yeah.

2486
03:54:37,020 --> 03:54:43,820
Very cool. Very good. Yes. That's a little ridiculous. Is this deceptive marketing? Yes.

2487
03:54:44,620 --> 03:54:47,900
I mean- They do specify in the title that it's OneDrive. They first say it's

2488
03:54:48,700 --> 03:54:55,180
1.6 terabyte of storage. Like, ah man. Yeah, I think it is. This one's better.

2489
03:54:55,180 --> 03:54:58,940
This one's better where they don't combine it. That's totally fine.

2490
03:54:59,500 --> 03:55:04,460
However, this is still- Don't mind that at all. This is still yucky. That's a problem. This is still super yucky.

2491
03:55:04,460 --> 03:55:09,100
The title on this one is fine. Yes. The category is not, but the title on this one is totally fine.

2492
03:55:09,100 --> 03:55:16,220
However, how long is this included for? Unless it's forever. It's less than years then.

2493
03:55:16,220 --> 03:55:21,100
They could fix it if it was a fixed period of time. I don't even care if it's less than years.

2494
03:55:21,100 --> 03:55:25,660
If it's not forever, it would, in my opinion, would need to be in brackets at the end.

2495
03:55:26,220 --> 03:55:34,700
Plus one terabyte of cloud storage for three years. Or if the price for the product said the upfront price and the subscription to maintain that

2496
03:55:34,700 --> 03:55:40,860
storage. Sure. I'd be fine with that as well. That would also be fine. I think so. Also fully acceptable. Yuck.

2497
03:55:40,860 --> 03:55:44,940
We got a no notes. The king of plasma TVs is done making TVs.

2498
03:55:44,940 --> 03:55:50,060
Panasonic is pulling a Sony and giving Skyworth control of their television business

2499
03:55:50,060 --> 03:55:53,340
with the aim for the Chinese firm to take over manufacturing,

2500
03:55:53,340 --> 03:55:58,380
marketing, and selling Panasonic TVs across the US and Europe.

2501
03:55:58,380 --> 03:56:04,380
Earlier this month, Panasonic announced plans to eliminate 12,000 jobs globally,

2502
03:56:05,900 --> 03:56:11,820
which is a surprisingly only 4 to 5% of their workforce. That's a giant company. Holy crap.

2503
03:56:11,820 --> 03:56:15,420
Panasonic makes like a lot of stuff. Yeah.

2504
03:56:15,420 --> 03:56:18,460
Just apparently not a lot of TVs these days.

2505
03:56:19,020 --> 03:56:21,980
To be clear, they're pulling a Sony in the sense that they are

2506
03:56:23,900 --> 03:56:27,100
offloading their TV business at least to a certain degree.

2507
03:56:27,100 --> 03:56:31,260
They seem to be doing it much more so. To a Chinese company. Yeah. But they're doing it a lot more into a different company.

2508
03:56:31,260 --> 03:56:34,300
Yeah. It's a Skyworth rather than TCL, which is to Sony.

2509
03:56:34,300 --> 03:56:38,140
More like, it seems like more of a partnership on the Sony side,

2510
03:56:38,140 --> 03:56:43,500
because they own part of the joint venture, whereas it seems like Panasonic is just like,

2511
03:56:44,460 --> 03:56:51,260
okay, you go ahead. This feels kind of like when you'd see an old brand that used to be cool,

2512
03:56:51,260 --> 03:56:56,620
like you'd see an RCA flat panel. You'd be like, did RCA ever make flat panels?

2513
03:56:56,620 --> 03:57:02,300
Then you look into it and it's just made by some random Chinese brand.

2514
03:57:02,300 --> 03:57:06,380
Sad. Another no notes, but I suspect we'll talk about it for a little bit.

2515
03:57:06,780 --> 03:57:12,860
YouTube rep has confirmed the ability to filter member-only videos.

2516
03:57:12,860 --> 03:57:15,900
As of right now, our LTT memberships are back online.

2517
03:57:15,900 --> 03:57:20,860
They sure are. You should still go to LMG.GG slash FPUan for better pricing,

2518
03:57:20,860 --> 03:57:25,420
but it's there if you'd rather stay on YouTube, which we know some of you would.

2519
03:57:26,060 --> 03:57:30,460
We're slowly uploading new exclusives, new as in they weren't uploaded

2520
03:57:31,260 --> 03:57:36,380
as of when this membership thing was turned off in the past. So some of it will be a couple of months back.

2521
03:57:36,380 --> 03:57:41,740
We're still in the process of uploading new exclusives. It's taking a while, as apparently there's a limit on videos uploading.

2522
03:57:41,740 --> 03:57:46,540
Oh, that makes sense. That does make sense, but I'm surprised it applies to all channels.

2523
03:57:47,500 --> 03:57:50,940
Yeah, I could see that. There's a lot of hacks and stuff. Yeah, I could see that.

2524
03:57:50,940 --> 03:57:58,060
Yeah, that's fine. So the feed is going to be kind of a mess, but Luke is going to show you guys real quick

2525
03:57:58,060 --> 03:58:03,740
a super awesome hack for not seeing any of the members' videos if you don't really want to.

2526
03:58:04,380 --> 03:58:09,820
For one thing, you can say, don't show me these anymore. And for another, excuse me, you can click this thing.

2527
03:58:09,820 --> 03:58:15,260
You can click on public. There you go. Boop, they're all gone. And then you won't see any of them, which is why we agreed.

2528
03:58:15,260 --> 03:58:18,620
Not a bad solution. Yeah, that's why we agreed to turn them back on.

2529
03:58:18,620 --> 03:58:21,180
You can also click on just members only. You could do that.

2530
03:58:22,220 --> 03:58:25,660
Or you can. Oh, why is that a thing? I saw that and tried to click away from it.

2531
03:58:29,740 --> 03:58:33,100
I did not. I did not.

2532
03:58:34,380 --> 03:58:38,620
I don't even know what that's in reference to.

2533
03:58:38,620 --> 03:58:41,580
I don't either. Freakin' Sammy.

2534
03:58:42,380 --> 03:58:43,420
Can't trust that guy.

2535
03:58:46,300 --> 03:58:49,900
Oh, man. All right. Hey, this is fun.

2536
03:58:49,900 --> 03:58:55,580
Remember how I said that I had faith that Apple was going to add end to end encryption

2537
03:58:55,580 --> 03:58:58,860
for RCS to iPhone to Android communications? I do.

2538
03:58:58,860 --> 03:59:03,660
They almost immediately did as part of the beta.

2539
03:59:03,660 --> 03:59:09,420
So they are now testing that. The second beta of 26.4 has support for it.

2540
03:59:09,420 --> 03:59:13,180
So that's pretty cool. Our discussion question is,

2541
03:59:13,180 --> 03:59:16,380
now that Apple's original lack of encryption argument no longer applies,

2542
03:59:16,380 --> 03:59:19,500
what do you think was the real reason they waited so long to adopt RCS?

2543
03:59:19,500 --> 03:59:22,540
Shame. It's just definitely shame. Because they just plain didn't want to.

2544
03:59:22,540 --> 03:59:24,620
Yeah, they wanted to shame Android stuff. Yeah.

2545
03:59:26,860 --> 03:59:29,900
There's a new app that lets us track Sammy specifically.

2546
03:59:29,900 --> 03:59:34,540
No, it's people with smart glasses. But realistically, it's just Bluetooth devices.

2547
03:59:34,540 --> 03:59:38,220
But in this case, it's probably coded for specific IDs that show you smart glasses.

2548
03:59:38,220 --> 03:59:41,980
Anyways, with millions of pairs of smart glasses now in the wild,

2549
03:59:41,980 --> 03:59:45,260
you never know who might be secretly filming. And you still won't.

2550
03:59:45,260 --> 03:59:49,100
But a new app called Nearby Glasses scans for Bluetooth signals

2551
03:59:49,100 --> 03:59:52,300
and warns users when smart glasses may be in use.

2552
03:59:52,940 --> 03:59:58,460
The app is currently available on the Google Play Store with iOS in the works.

2553
04:00:00,780 --> 04:00:04,860
Neat. Leaked charger for a new iPhone.

2554
04:00:04,860 --> 04:00:06,460
Apparently they're going magnetic only.

2555
04:00:08,140 --> 04:00:11,420
Blah, blah, blah. It's a portless iPhone on the way.

2556
04:00:11,420 --> 04:00:13,740
We've all known this was going to happen for a while.

2557
04:00:14,780 --> 04:00:19,420
No, this seems very, very rumor-milly. Okay, I'm not engaging with that.

2558
04:00:21,260 --> 04:00:26,060
What else we got here? Discord is delaying its global age verification rollout.

2559
04:00:26,060 --> 04:00:30,540
Discord is now pushing back their rule changes to the second half of 2026.

2560
04:00:31,180 --> 04:00:36,300
Before they introduce the new rules, the company will be adding more options for users to verify their age

2561
04:00:36,300 --> 04:00:43,340
and add the ability to make spoiler channels, which are essentially age-gated chats for NSFW topics.

2562
04:00:43,340 --> 04:00:46,460
They also plan to publish a blog post explaining exactly

2563
04:00:46,460 --> 04:00:50,540
how their age estimation systems work. Well, that'll be an easy way to get around them then.

2564
04:00:50,540 --> 04:00:55,660
Quote from Discord CEO says, The way this landed, many of you walked away thinking

2565
04:00:55,660 --> 04:00:59,420
we're requiring face scans and ID uploads from everyone just to use Discord.

2566
04:00:59,500 --> 04:01:04,380
That's not what's happening, but the fact that so many people believe it tells us we failed at our most basic job,

2567
04:01:04,380 --> 04:01:07,260
clearly explaining what we're doing and why.

2568
04:01:15,020 --> 04:01:19,660
Okay, well, we'll see how it goes in another six months or so.

2569
04:01:19,660 --> 04:01:22,540
Yeah, the problem is the way this landed was you were working with like

2570
04:01:24,380 --> 04:01:29,100
the Palantir guy. I don't remember his name right now. Yeah, like it's just not a great look.

2571
04:01:29,100 --> 04:01:32,940
That's, I think, the main reason. It's the main reason why I was pissed.

2572
04:01:33,740 --> 04:01:37,420
Hey, do you want to be not upset? Yeah, sure. This is pretty cool.

2573
04:01:37,420 --> 04:01:42,860
Ars Technica posted this article. In spite of big offers from tech companies,

2574
04:01:43,660 --> 04:01:48,140
many farmers are being supremely based

2575
04:01:48,140 --> 04:01:51,740
and refusing to sell their land for data center use.

2576
04:01:51,740 --> 04:01:55,340
So based. 82-year-old, this is so cool.

2577
04:01:55,340 --> 04:02:01,340
82-year-old Ida Huddleston told representatives of a Fortune 500 company

2578
04:02:01,980 --> 04:02:08,620
when she rejected their offer of $33 million for 650 acres of Kentucky farmland.

2579
04:02:09,180 --> 04:02:12,300
There's a quote, you don't have enough to buy me out.

2580
04:02:12,940 --> 04:02:15,980
I'm not for sale. Leave me alone.

2581
04:02:15,980 --> 04:02:17,100
I'm satisfied.

2582
04:02:19,980 --> 04:02:23,820
Based. Another farmer in the same county or country,

2583
04:02:23,820 --> 04:02:27,820
it says country, but I'm sure they mean county because obviously they'd be in the same country.

2584
04:02:28,940 --> 04:02:34,700
75-year-old Timothy Grocer declined a proposal to name your price

2585
04:02:34,700 --> 04:02:37,900
when a tech company sought to buy his 250-acre farm.

2586
04:02:38,460 --> 04:02:44,380
This was reported by The Guardian. The money's not worth giving up your lifestyle, Grocer said.

2587
04:02:46,460 --> 04:02:49,900
Based. Based. And agricultural land. Farmer's being based again.

2588
04:02:50,700 --> 04:02:57,420
Agricultural land has been a target because it has access to water.

2589
04:02:59,420 --> 04:03:06,700
It has traditionally been relatively inexpensive for the amount of area you can get per dollar,

2590
04:03:06,700 --> 04:03:10,700
which if you're trying to build a sprawling data center might be an advantage.

2591
04:03:11,580 --> 04:03:14,940
I think access to power has also been an advantage traditionally.

2592
04:03:14,940 --> 04:03:17,500
Oh yeah, farm power. Yep. It's like way cheaper.

2593
04:03:18,460 --> 04:03:25,020
There's a discussion question here. It says here in BC we have the agricultural land reserve to theoretically at least protect farmland.

2594
04:03:25,020 --> 04:03:28,220
Do you think other regions could follow that example? I think they could.

2595
04:03:28,220 --> 04:03:35,260
I think the agricultural land reserve is extremely documentedly and I mean you could just take a drive in some of those areas

2596
04:03:35,900 --> 04:03:41,980
horrifically abused by the ultra-rich in BC to just have insanely massive mansions,

2597
04:03:41,980 --> 04:03:45,260
pay way less in power, pay way less in taxes,

2598
04:03:45,260 --> 04:03:50,860
pay way less in lots of different things by just kind of basically pretending that they're farmers

2599
04:03:50,860 --> 04:03:55,500
by having a tiny little bit of their land dedicated to farming something.

2600
04:03:55,500 --> 04:04:04,620
It's very, very common that it's wine grapes and then they'll have somebody because very little

2601
04:04:04,620 --> 04:04:08,780
maintenance and then you have somebody come gather your grapes and sell them or whatever

2602
04:04:08,780 --> 04:04:12,220
and you don't do any of the labor and you make no money off of it,

2603
04:04:12,300 --> 04:04:16,060
but you are allowed to classify yourself as a farm.

2604
04:04:16,060 --> 04:04:21,500
This is like just one of the many, many ways that BC is extremely well known for just excessive

2605
04:04:21,500 --> 04:04:24,060
amounts of scams, just tons and tons of scams.

2606
04:04:24,620 --> 04:04:29,020
I mean that's a farmhouse, right? That sure do be a farmhouse, brother.

2607
04:04:30,380 --> 04:04:34,060
Let's go. There are tons of these in BC.

2608
04:04:34,060 --> 04:04:37,100
That is like we are here. Tons of them. We are here.

2609
04:04:37,980 --> 04:04:40,780
That is like here. Hell yeah.

2610
04:04:41,340 --> 04:04:46,300
Those crops, all those crops behind there, that's making so much money.

2611
04:04:46,300 --> 04:04:50,060
They have solar panels though, so it's fine. That's making so much money, dude.

2612
04:04:51,180 --> 04:04:55,420
Hope this is not that easy to do with a touch pad, but let's see.

2613
04:04:55,420 --> 04:05:00,140
Let's see what else we can find. Let's play. And it's wild because you'll see like a very legitimate operation.

2614
04:05:00,140 --> 04:05:04,780
Yeah, here's a farm. And everything looks pretty normal. And then you see a mega mesh and you're like, oh.

2615
04:05:05,500 --> 04:05:10,140
What are we looking at here? What about second house or is that a garage?

2616
04:05:10,700 --> 04:05:13,740
Actually, this one's not that bad. This one's not that bad. That looks pretty normal. This was fine.

2617
04:05:13,740 --> 04:05:19,260
I don't want to point out it. Like there are a lot of very legitimate farmers in BC,

2618
04:05:20,060 --> 04:05:24,380
but it's extremely expensive land. So it's very, very difficult to get into.

2619
04:05:24,380 --> 04:05:28,540
And you're bidding against people like potentially this

2620
04:05:29,100 --> 04:05:34,300
that are just building mega mansions and then, you know.

2621
04:05:36,140 --> 04:05:40,540
Chillin'. Playing farmer game by paying someone else to take care of their land.

2622
04:05:40,540 --> 04:05:45,740
I've also heard that if you are like, oh, the land's really bad.

2623
04:05:46,940 --> 04:05:49,820
I haven't been able to make any money off of it because it's crap.

2624
04:05:51,260 --> 04:05:57,340
Can we rezone it for not farmland? That is pretty hard from my understanding.

2625
04:05:57,340 --> 04:06:01,820
People try. I'm sure they try. I'm sure they try, but my understanding is it's pretty hard.

2626
04:06:01,820 --> 04:06:03,820
I'm glad. Yeah.

2627
04:06:07,980 --> 04:06:11,500
Yeah. How many garages is that? Six? That's a lot of garages.

2628
04:06:11,500 --> 04:06:14,460
Is there more garages on the right there? Chebus.

2629
04:06:16,620 --> 04:06:20,220
Absolutely wild. They look like they do some legitimate farming.

2630
04:06:20,220 --> 04:06:23,980
Yeah, but there's also the thing where you can hire people to come in and legitimately farm.

2631
04:06:23,980 --> 04:06:28,220
No, for sure. The one that I'm talking about is like way more egregious.

2632
04:06:28,220 --> 04:06:32,300
There's a lot of ones a little further away from here.

2633
04:06:32,300 --> 04:06:34,140
Like more in the kind of all the Grove area.

2634
04:06:35,580 --> 04:06:37,580
Look at that house. Wow.

2635
04:06:38,780 --> 04:06:42,540
And meanwhile, this one. Damn.

2636
04:06:43,180 --> 04:06:47,020
Oh my. Damn. That's a big house.

2637
04:06:51,020 --> 04:06:53,820
Oh my God. This one couldn't even all be in a straight line.

2638
04:06:57,420 --> 04:07:01,580
They're not even pretending that they ever go any farther out of the house than

2639
04:07:01,580 --> 04:07:03,500
this wall. Yeah.

2640
04:07:04,780 --> 04:07:08,060
Sure, though. We go, you know, do crop things. Oh my God.

2641
04:07:08,060 --> 04:07:12,540
Look at this one. The main thing, the main thing that stands out to me, like if they actually,

2642
04:07:12,540 --> 04:07:16,940
if they actually end up producing like good crops, I don't really care that much.

2643
04:07:17,500 --> 04:07:20,620
If they happen to be super rich and they're like, whatever, I'll farm this land and I'm

2644
04:07:20,620 --> 04:07:24,940
going to just pay someone else to do it and I'll slap a house here. Like that doesn't bother me that much.

2645
04:07:24,940 --> 04:07:31,980
The main, a little bit, but not that much. The main ones that bother me is when they just have like a tiny amount of the property

2646
04:07:31,980 --> 04:07:35,580
dedicated to that, like minimum requirements, which is often not that high.

2647
04:07:36,620 --> 04:07:40,380
And then they do it. It's like yikes. Look how many cars are in front of this place.

2648
04:07:41,500 --> 04:07:44,300
You know, you can only drive one at a time, right?

2649
04:07:44,860 --> 04:07:47,580
Some of these might be multifamily. Oh, I'm sure they are.

2650
04:07:48,540 --> 04:07:50,940
Yeah. Well, that was just a guy and his dog.

2651
04:07:52,540 --> 04:08:00,220
Need 12 bedrooms. There's an extremely, if you want to have fun one day, if you go around Google maps,

2652
04:08:00,220 --> 04:08:08,220
there's way more than I thought there was. Look into how much people make in this province and then just have fun looking down some of the roads.

2653
04:08:10,780 --> 04:08:15,180
Look at, look into some of the costing of certain areas and go, wait, wait a minute.

2654
04:08:15,180 --> 04:08:19,500
Oh, you mean all the illegitimate money? Yeah. Oh yeah. So that doesn't make any sense.

2655
04:08:20,220 --> 04:08:23,660
The top end of people's earning in this province is, you know, this much.

2656
04:08:23,660 --> 04:08:27,420
That means there's that many people, a huge percentage of them live in Vancouver.

2657
04:08:27,420 --> 04:08:29,980
Okay, cool. What are all these places?

2658
04:08:30,620 --> 04:08:35,900
How is there so many places worth like double digit millions of dollars?

2659
04:08:35,900 --> 04:08:45,100
And there's just so many of them. Are across the street neighbors when I was in my teens were just known to be gangsters.

2660
04:08:46,620 --> 04:08:52,540
I think I've told you the story probably a few times. One of the in-home geek squad guys when I worked at geek squad,

2661
04:08:53,420 --> 04:08:56,860
worked at like a very obvious Hell's Angels place.

2662
04:08:57,740 --> 04:09:01,020
And the guy just like was laughing about, he offered him a beer and stuff.

2663
04:09:01,020 --> 04:09:05,100
And he said, no, obviously. And then as he was leaving, he was like, guess what I do for work?

2664
04:09:05,100 --> 04:09:13,100
And he was like, what? And he's like, I don't remember what he said. I repair, I work for like a refrigerator repair company or something.

2665
04:09:13,100 --> 04:09:20,780
And then just huge belly laugh. I was like, like, it's like clearly, clearly, clearly.

2666
04:09:20,780 --> 04:09:24,780
He had like a crazy Harley. He had some, he had some leathers and stuff.

2667
04:09:24,780 --> 04:09:27,260
Like it was, it was very obviously a Hell's Angels, bro.

2668
04:09:28,460 --> 04:09:30,220
Just, just messing around.

2669
04:09:31,500 --> 04:09:36,060
I'm in waste management. That's a pretty, that's a, that's a pretty big tell.

2670
04:09:40,380 --> 04:09:43,500
Yeah, BC, BC. Ah, man, I don't remember what it was.

2671
04:09:43,500 --> 04:09:48,940
I'm pretty sure it was New York times. It was a long time ago, but they did like a most corrupt place in North America

2672
04:09:48,940 --> 04:09:54,860
and ended up being Vancouver. This was, this was quite a while ago. Things have probably shifted a little bit, but probably not that much.

2673
04:09:54,860 --> 04:10:01,180
There is a lot of money moving around in BC in, in illegitimate ways.

2674
04:10:01,180 --> 04:10:05,020
Well, Sean Caldera was actually talking to me about what's going on in Fort Langley right now.

2675
04:10:05,660 --> 04:10:11,420
Where, where real estate developer bro couldn't get permits to build just like whatever he wanted.

2676
04:10:11,420 --> 04:10:15,900
So he ran and became the mayor so that he could just green light whatever he wanted to do.

2677
04:10:16,540 --> 04:10:22,620
And then his influence is spreading. And like the whole vibe of Fort Langley has changed very significantly

2678
04:10:22,620 --> 04:10:26,060
because there was all these rules about historical buildings

2679
04:10:26,060 --> 04:10:28,700
and how high they could build and all this kind of stuff. And he's blown that out.

2680
04:10:29,820 --> 04:10:32,780
And now it's just like, another suburb.

2681
04:10:33,660 --> 04:10:39,820
Well, the, the one main street, it just, it doesn't feel historic so much anymore.

2682
04:10:39,820 --> 04:10:41,900
There's a couple, there's a couple buildings here and there.

2683
04:10:42,940 --> 04:10:47,580
But it just feels like, I don't know. I'm in like a trendy street in Vancouver now.

2684
04:10:47,580 --> 04:10:51,100
And it's just in the middle of nowhere. It's kind of sad.

2685
04:10:53,180 --> 04:10:54,460
I should put in a whole foods.

2686
04:10:58,940 --> 04:11:00,700
Man, it's a pretty small place, maybe a half.

2687
04:11:02,220 --> 04:11:05,660
Oh my goodness. Sorry. Oh man.

2688
04:11:05,660 --> 04:11:09,340
What were we even talking about? Who knows?

2689
04:11:09,340 --> 04:11:12,620
Farmers refusing to sell the data centers. Oh yeah, cool. Based.

2690
04:11:12,620 --> 04:11:17,900
Based. Sam Altman, Defense AI at the India AI Impact Summit.

2691
04:11:21,100 --> 04:11:24,620
Are you ready for your eyes to just about roll out of your head? I don't know anything about this topic.

2692
04:11:24,620 --> 04:11:29,820
Yeah. Open AI CEO Sam Altman argued that it's unfair to only look at the energy consumption it

2693
04:11:29,820 --> 04:11:33,420
takes to train an AI because it also takes a lot of energy to train a human.

2694
04:11:33,420 --> 04:11:40,380
Sorry, I wasn't ready for that at all.

2695
04:11:41,900 --> 04:11:47,500
That's wild. We would need to factor, if this is a quote, 20 years of life

2696
04:11:47,500 --> 04:11:50,380
and all the food you eat during that time before you get smart.

2697
04:11:50,940 --> 04:11:54,860
Oh, so humans are just, it's just the matrix now.

2698
04:11:55,580 --> 04:12:00,220
Altman further claims that if you compare a GPT inference query to a human answering

2699
04:12:00,220 --> 04:12:05,100
a question, probably AI has already caught up on an energy efficiency basis.

2700
04:12:05,100 --> 04:12:06,220
Holy crap.

2701
04:12:08,540 --> 04:12:15,980
Whoa, dude. He completely dismissed concerns over chat GPT's water usage as totally fake,

2702
04:12:15,980 --> 04:12:19,100
arguing that modern data centers don't use a evaporative cool.

2703
04:12:19,100 --> 04:12:22,700
I mean, some of them do, but that, I mean, that I'm not even going to pick apart that

2704
04:12:22,700 --> 04:12:26,300
much when the whole like, okay.

2705
04:12:27,020 --> 04:12:36,540
Oh man, good Lord. So here's, here's the, okay, I could, I could wax philosophical on the value of a human life

2706
04:12:36,540 --> 04:12:41,500
and therefore just obviously being more valuable than, you know, an AI agent or whatever, right?

2707
04:12:41,500 --> 04:12:47,820
Like I could, I could do that, but instead I'm going to go all the way to the hyper capitalist

2708
04:12:47,820 --> 04:12:53,020
side and I'm going to meet you on your own turf and I'm going to say why that was such a

2709
04:12:53,020 --> 04:12:55,100
f***ing stupid thing to say, okay?

2710
04:12:56,140 --> 04:13:02,700
In a way that is undeniable, that AI will never pay taxes.

2711
04:13:03,820 --> 04:13:07,500
Oh, all right.

2712
04:13:08,620 --> 04:13:13,340
All right. You're done, bud. All right. False equivalency.

2713
04:13:13,340 --> 04:13:21,020
And I don't even have to get into whether humans have a soul or, you know, or just the.

2714
04:13:21,020 --> 04:13:24,620
If you look at all the ways that OpenAI started, he was talking about how it was going to save

2715
04:13:24,620 --> 04:13:29,420
humanity and a universal basic income and all this kind of stuff. And now he's saying like, ah, you don't need the plebs.

2716
04:13:29,420 --> 04:13:33,660
Yep. I've got chills. Damn. It's, he's getting a little bit more real here.

2717
04:13:33,660 --> 04:13:35,660
Boom. Which might be good. Boom.

2718
04:13:37,740 --> 04:13:41,740
Scam Altman. Yeah. You can't tax the AI. Pop more colors, Sam.

2719
04:13:42,860 --> 04:13:50,140
I'll never forget. So that's why we should, that's why we should, even from a hyper capitalist,

2720
04:13:50,700 --> 04:13:55,020
don't care about anything, but more, more money standpoint.

2721
04:13:55,020 --> 04:13:59,980
That's why we should invest in humans and, and training humans.

2722
04:14:00,700 --> 04:14:04,860
And we should not invest in training. Mitch, what am I looking at?

2723
04:14:04,860 --> 04:14:08,700
Why can't I scroll up? There we go. What is this?

2724
04:14:08,700 --> 04:14:11,100
Yeah. Do you have two collars? He sure does.

2725
04:14:12,060 --> 04:14:16,140
Pop in colors, Sam. We didn't forget about Looped, Sam.

2726
04:14:16,140 --> 04:14:19,660
It was a scammy company. You lied about your users. We didn't forget, Sam.

2727
04:14:20,540 --> 04:14:21,500
A little evil boy.

2728
04:14:24,060 --> 04:14:30,380
I don't like you. You know what's funny is we had like that, that concept of a line of, of clothing products.

2729
04:14:30,940 --> 04:14:35,500
So we had the, the Steve, that turtleneck, that mock neck that was based on Steve Jobs.

2730
04:14:35,500 --> 04:14:39,180
The Sam, did he just have a green? Just have like a stupid double collar on it.

2731
04:14:39,740 --> 04:14:42,780
That would be amazing. I think we won't do that. Yeah.

2732
04:14:44,060 --> 04:14:49,420
The Italian government has declared all cloud storage users guilty in advance.

2733
04:14:49,980 --> 04:14:55,180
A levy of up to 30 euros per year will be applied to cloud storage accounts

2734
04:14:55,180 --> 04:15:00,620
based on the reasoning that that storage space could be used for copyright infringement.

2735
04:15:01,980 --> 04:15:07,340
The Italian Minister of Culture signed a decree extending the levy that previously

2736
04:15:07,340 --> 04:15:12,540
applied only to physical media and at the same time increased the fees for physical media.

2737
04:15:13,100 --> 04:15:17,100
The Italian Society of Authors and Publishers welcomed the move while Italian consumer and

2738
04:15:17,100 --> 04:15:20,300
technology advocacy groups are calling the move anachronistic.

2739
04:15:21,740 --> 04:15:27,900
These sorts of levies are not new. Germany introduced similar levies in the 1960s after legislators were convinced

2740
04:15:27,900 --> 04:15:31,020
that cassette recorders would destroy record sales.

2741
04:15:31,020 --> 04:15:36,140
Fun fact, did you know that the Canadian private copying levy is still set to 29 cents per blank

2742
04:15:36,140 --> 04:15:43,020
CD and has been extended to 2027? That's one of the reasons that blank media was more expensive here than it was in the states.

2743
04:15:43,660 --> 04:15:48,940
However, I am going to say something once again, I know, huge surprise to everyone,

2744
04:15:48,940 --> 04:15:56,940
that might come across controversial. The levy on blank CDs was actually a lot simpler for me than the Canadian government

2745
04:15:56,940 --> 04:15:58,940
actually enforcing copyright.

2746
04:16:02,380 --> 04:16:06,540
I paid a little bit of levy on every blank CD and I never worried about

2747
04:16:07,660 --> 04:16:22,860
like the music industry busting down my door. Sure. I, and as long as this levy kind of sits there as an invisible shield against me ever actually

2748
04:16:22,860 --> 04:16:28,940
like being punished in any way for the songs I downloaded on Napster, I was actually pretty

2749
04:16:28,940 --> 04:16:34,780
chill with it. Italian friends, I encourage you to explore self-hosting.

2750
04:16:36,860 --> 04:16:39,900
Yeah, you can do that too. You have your own cloud. It's blackjack.

2751
04:16:39,980 --> 04:16:41,180
And they don't have to know about it.

2752
04:16:43,100 --> 04:16:46,380
Nice. Solid. Oh, hey, well, is that it for topics?

2753
04:16:47,100 --> 04:16:50,860
Oh, do we talk about open claw? Yeah, I didn't catch that much about it.

2754
04:16:50,860 --> 04:16:52,860
The lady had her emails deleted.

2755
04:16:54,060 --> 04:16:57,580
Yeah, it's, we don't have notes on it. I don't know enough about it.

2756
04:16:57,580 --> 04:17:03,100
Cool. No, let's not do that then. But it is, you want to, here, let's just do this bit.

2757
04:17:03,100 --> 04:17:06,940
Let's just look at their website real quick. The AI that actually does things.

2758
04:17:06,940 --> 04:17:10,700
I mean, it does do that. Clears your inbox a little bit too much, maybe.

2759
04:17:10,700 --> 04:17:14,220
Sends emails, manages your calendar, checks your invite, flights, all that kind of stuff.

2760
04:17:14,220 --> 04:17:17,820
Look at this. What it does, what it does, what it does.

2761
04:17:19,100 --> 04:17:22,860
It runs on your machine. It uses any chat app that it has.

2762
04:17:22,860 --> 04:17:28,380
It has persistent memory. It controls your browser. It has full system access, including reading and writing files,

2763
04:17:28,380 --> 04:17:32,060
running shell commands, executing scripts, full access,

2764
04:17:32,060 --> 04:17:33,340
or potentially sandboxed.

2765
04:17:35,260 --> 04:17:40,060
And people are letting this rip. Apparently, Facebook researcher person,

2766
04:17:40,060 --> 04:17:44,620
it deleted their entire inbox. It's probably efficient. Not entire, but a lot of it, yeah.

2767
04:17:44,620 --> 04:17:48,140
Emails are slowing them down. Delete the whole thing.

2768
04:17:48,140 --> 04:17:48,780
Maybe that's good.

2769
04:17:51,740 --> 04:17:54,540
Sweet. I don't think we have a ton else to say. None of us have used this.

2770
04:17:58,620 --> 04:18:02,380
It's super dangerous. It uses an old OS with a ton of vulnerabilities.

2771
04:18:02,380 --> 04:18:04,700
Yeah, not too surprised. It is what it is.

2772
04:18:08,140 --> 04:18:08,620
Neat.

2773
04:18:12,460 --> 04:18:15,180
All right. Dan, do you want to switch us over to After Dark?

2774
04:18:17,820 --> 04:18:22,300
Wait, are you? Hold on. I don't have Twitter installed.

2775
04:18:23,260 --> 04:18:26,300
That's one of my problems. When there's somebody that I can only communicate with on Twitter,

2776
04:18:26,940 --> 04:18:28,540
I just constantly uninstall it.

2777
04:18:30,220 --> 04:18:35,020
Then I'll install it again because I have to go message somebody and then I'm like, oh crap, I ghosted this person for a while.

2778
04:18:35,980 --> 04:18:39,580
I hate that it's like sometimes the only way to contact people.

2779
04:18:39,580 --> 04:18:42,780
Hey, you want to know what's already started? What? After Dark?

2780
04:18:42,780 --> 04:18:43,100
Oh.

2781
04:18:46,620 --> 04:18:50,140
And you can tell how controversial it is.

2782
04:18:52,140 --> 04:18:53,180
Like press ratio.

2783
04:18:55,820 --> 04:19:00,300
Oh, man. I'm surprised you went back to it.

2784
04:19:00,300 --> 04:19:04,860
I don't know anything about Popeyes. I've never used it. I know nothing about it. I have no opinions on it.

2785
04:19:04,940 --> 04:19:09,100
I just, yeah, I'm surprised once scorned he returned.

2786
04:19:12,620 --> 04:19:17,180
Well, the narrative last time should be,

2787
04:19:18,220 --> 04:19:21,340
or the narrative last time was that was a fluke.

2788
04:19:22,940 --> 04:19:26,780
That should never have happened. Yeah. They patched the bug. That's not normal.

2789
04:19:27,740 --> 04:19:31,100
And I was like, I- Was that the only thing?

2790
04:19:31,100 --> 04:19:34,620
I don't remember. Yeah, because I just never got as far as even like

2791
04:19:35,340 --> 04:19:38,380
almost the first thing and then it nuked and then you went somewhere else.

2792
04:19:38,380 --> 04:19:39,420
And then I went elsewhere. Yeah.

2793
04:19:41,420 --> 04:19:45,740
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, Dan, hit us.

2794
04:19:45,740 --> 04:19:51,020
Sure thing. Hey Linus, a while ago you teased us with a sling bag

2795
04:19:51,020 --> 04:19:55,660
for handhelds and tablets. Any updates on that sling bag?

2796
04:19:56,700 --> 04:20:04,380
Oh, shoot, probably, but I can't actually remember

2797
04:20:04,700 --> 04:20:09,980
right now. Matthew's working on it. I saw a newer version of it a little while ago.

2798
04:20:11,100 --> 04:20:16,780
I think we put it on pause waiting around for Switch 2 is what I want to say.

2799
04:20:16,780 --> 04:20:20,220
So the latest version of it has, it's bigger,

2800
04:20:20,220 --> 04:20:28,540
so it could accommodate a Steam Deck, but it has an insert so that you can put like a Switch 2 securely in it or a Switch 1.

2801
04:20:28,540 --> 04:20:32,540
But it's tough, man, when the form factors of these handhelds are so-

2802
04:20:32,540 --> 04:20:37,180
They vary so much. Yeah, they're so different in terms of their thickness and girthiness,

2803
04:20:37,180 --> 04:20:41,740
and all those are both kind of the same thing. But like whether they have like handles on them

2804
04:20:41,740 --> 04:20:49,020
or whether they're like super skinny with Joy-Cons, like it might be one of those things where when we finally release it,

2805
04:20:49,020 --> 04:20:52,860
it's ultimately not really what you want because we have to target something

2806
04:20:52,860 --> 04:20:55,340
or we end up targeting nothing and then nobody wants it.

2807
04:20:56,140 --> 04:21:03,500
What chipset are you using for the Linux challenge?

2808
04:21:03,500 --> 04:21:07,100
I've used Linux since Slackware 1.0,

2809
04:21:07,100 --> 04:21:11,260
and I can't get anything to work properly on Strix Halo.

2810
04:21:16,140 --> 04:21:19,660
I constantly forget the hardware in my system because I didn't build it myself.

2811
04:21:19,660 --> 04:21:27,100
Interesting. I am using a variety of chipsets, one of which is Strix Halo.

2812
04:21:27,100 --> 04:21:29,580
I'm actually, I think this is launched now so I can show it,

2813
04:21:30,460 --> 04:21:35,100
but I've been using this PX13 from ASUS for a little bit.

2814
04:21:35,100 --> 04:21:40,700
It's a Strix Halo system with a, yeah, convertible thing.

2815
04:21:41,260 --> 04:21:46,220
It's basically the old Flow X13, but without the XG Mobile,

2816
04:21:46,220 --> 04:21:51,980
without a dedicated GPU, with 40 gigabit per second USB-C,

2817
04:21:52,780 --> 04:21:57,980
and with beefy cooling and Strix Halo.

2818
04:21:57,980 --> 04:22:00,860
This is a side note. I think it's not worth uploading our back catalog.

2819
04:22:02,060 --> 04:22:08,140
I'm just going to side note real quick. I know we can press the thing and I think that's really cool,

2820
04:22:08,140 --> 04:22:13,100
but when people don't, I guess, I don't know how to uncheck it.

2821
04:22:13,100 --> 04:22:17,020
So this is what the page looks like. It's a temporary issue though.

2822
04:22:17,020 --> 04:22:21,180
But there is literally no videos on my entire page that are not members only.

2823
04:22:22,860 --> 04:22:25,100
And I don't know if people are going to know to click this.

2824
04:22:26,220 --> 04:22:30,620
Yeah, it's so little of how people find our videos anyway, like really like negligible.

2825
04:22:30,620 --> 04:22:34,060
I'm just boomer boy. Yeah, pretty much. I do that to find videos. I know.

2826
04:22:34,060 --> 04:22:35,660
Okay. Yeah. That's fine.

2827
04:22:37,260 --> 04:22:41,260
Okay.

2828
04:22:41,260 --> 04:22:44,620
And it's temporary. I fully acknowledge it's a problem.

2829
04:22:44,620 --> 04:22:48,860
You're right. I think some people were upset about it being on the home page.

2830
04:22:50,140 --> 04:22:53,260
Home page. I think you can just click. I'm not interested in this on the home page.

2831
04:22:53,260 --> 04:22:56,620
You can't do that on the actual channel page, but you can just click public on the channel page.

2832
04:22:56,620 --> 04:23:01,100
There are solutions everywhere as far as Mary's saying it goes. It does seem to remember.

2833
04:23:01,100 --> 04:23:03,900
It will forget after a little while, but it will remember.

2834
04:23:05,180 --> 04:23:10,220
Okay. More merge messages. Hey, Luke, do you still play the new Mario Kart?

2835
04:23:10,220 --> 04:23:13,180
No. I quit the first day.

2836
04:23:13,820 --> 04:23:18,700
I bought a Switch. This is probably the most disappointing purchase in a while.

2837
04:23:18,700 --> 04:23:21,900
I bought a, I went blind into the new Mario Kart.

2838
04:23:21,900 --> 04:23:25,020
Just expecting, you know, I've enjoyed like every Mario Kart.

2839
04:23:25,020 --> 04:23:28,380
Someone's screaming no wrong. It's correct for me.

2840
04:23:30,940 --> 04:23:34,620
Yeah. I bought a Switch to almost exclusively four Mario Kart.

2841
04:23:34,620 --> 04:23:39,180
I played Mario Kart 8 and Mario Kart 8 Deluxe both a lot.

2842
04:23:40,060 --> 04:23:45,980
I played Mario Kart 8 on the Wii U a bunch. And then I played Mario Kart 8 Deluxe or whatever it's called

2843
04:23:45,980 --> 04:23:49,260
on the, on the Switch quite a bit as well.

2844
04:23:49,260 --> 04:23:51,740
I played mostly on the Wii U, I think, but I also played on the Switch.

2845
04:23:53,420 --> 04:23:57,820
Very excited about new Mario Kart. Was excited, just didn't look into things because I didn't want it spoiled.

2846
04:23:59,100 --> 04:24:05,980
Played a fair bit in one day. And the whole time I was just like, I don't like certain things about this.

2847
04:24:05,980 --> 04:24:10,620
I really, I always really loved drifting in Mario Kart.

2848
04:24:10,620 --> 04:24:14,460
Loved it. And then now it's like the drifting was weird.

2849
04:24:14,460 --> 04:24:18,540
It didn't feel good for a variety of reasons. And I don't think I'm the only one that thinks that.

2850
04:24:18,540 --> 04:24:22,460
And then they have this new like rail grind thing that I really did not like.

2851
04:24:24,540 --> 04:24:33,260
They had a few other things that just made it really whack. It felt even more encouraging of exploits than previous Mario Karts.

2852
04:24:33,260 --> 04:24:36,860
Usually in previous Mario Karts, the exploits were cool, but kind of hard to do.

2853
04:24:36,860 --> 04:24:44,460
So you wouldn't see them in like online competitive play much. And literally day one, people were doing like under map exploits and crazy stuff

2854
04:24:44,460 --> 04:24:48,140
in the new one because of all the different systems that they support that is just kind of whack.

2855
04:24:52,540 --> 04:24:55,820
Yeah, I did not have a good time and I have not played it since.

2856
04:24:57,340 --> 04:24:59,340
Honestly, my Switch 2 is not getting a lot of play time.

2857
04:25:00,460 --> 04:25:05,820
Yeah. Like probably sell it. I think my son made the wrong call.

2858
04:25:06,620 --> 04:25:09,980
I think he should have gone with a handheld PC. Disappointing.

2859
04:25:09,980 --> 04:25:12,940
Man, I was talking about that when it launched. He uses it when we travel.

2860
04:25:13,500 --> 04:25:18,060
And in fairness to Nintendo, it'll probably have like a seven year lifespan.

2861
04:25:18,060 --> 04:25:21,660
Yeah, probably. So there'll be plenty of time for Banger Games to come out for it.

2862
04:25:21,660 --> 04:25:27,740
I'm going to interject here with another merch message. What you're referring to as Switch 2 is in fact Switch Plus 2,

2863
04:25:27,740 --> 04:25:29,500
or as I've taken to referring, sorry.

2864
04:25:31,500 --> 04:25:34,940
Line is wondering if your son is still liking the Switch 2.

2865
04:25:35,020 --> 04:25:39,260
My daughter is now asking for one as a high school graduation gift.

2866
04:25:40,700 --> 04:25:41,900
He's not using it that much.

2867
04:25:44,860 --> 04:25:51,100
Bottom line, he likes it when he uses it. He uses it when we travel, but like we don't travel that much.

2868
04:25:51,100 --> 04:25:54,860
And usually when we travel, we're like doing stuff.

2869
04:25:54,860 --> 04:25:57,980
Like our two of our recent trips were ski trips.

2870
04:25:58,620 --> 04:26:01,660
So we're up early. We eat. We ski.

2871
04:26:02,380 --> 04:26:08,220
We come home. We maybe play like some card games or hang out.

2872
04:26:08,220 --> 04:26:11,980
We let them bring their friends on one of the trips. So the kids brought some friends.

2873
04:26:11,980 --> 04:26:16,860
So they hung out for a little bit and Yvonne and I hit the hot tub. And then we all collapse in our beds.

2874
04:26:17,580 --> 04:26:22,700
And I mean, the way we travel is pretty type A.

2875
04:26:23,740 --> 04:26:27,580
So like I'm talking, we leave here Friday night.

2876
04:26:27,580 --> 04:26:32,940
We ski Saturday morning. We sleep in the hotel for one night.

2877
04:26:33,820 --> 04:26:37,260
We ski Sunday and fly home Sunday.

2878
04:26:37,260 --> 04:26:41,260
Like 48 hours doorstep to doorstep from home to home.

2879
04:26:41,260 --> 04:26:44,060
Oh yeah. So there's not a lot of room for like

2880
04:26:45,020 --> 04:26:48,780
playing Mario Kart on your Switch in all of that.

2881
04:26:49,660 --> 04:26:54,460
Oh, by the way, totally unrelated. I tried skiing for the first time in over 25 years.

2882
04:26:56,540 --> 04:27:00,860
It was fine. Back to boarding. Yeah, I think I'm going to go back to snowboarding.

2883
04:27:00,860 --> 04:27:05,340
Yeah. But not because like skiing is like a problem,

2884
04:27:05,340 --> 04:27:09,100
but just because I've only boarded for over 25 years,

2885
04:27:09,820 --> 04:27:14,620
I am more comfortable and therefore having more fun on a board.

2886
04:27:14,620 --> 04:27:19,260
I talk to my kids about this all the time, how you have to kind of, when you're an adult especially,

2887
04:27:19,260 --> 04:27:22,460
you kind of have to invest in getting good at something

2888
04:27:22,460 --> 04:27:26,860
to have fun with it. And I hate that video games have become that now

2889
04:27:26,860 --> 04:27:31,580
because I used to think, well, I'm really like jumping

2890
04:27:31,580 --> 04:27:35,660
between topics here, but I used to hear people say, yeah, I only really play single player stuff now

2891
04:27:35,660 --> 04:27:39,980
because like multiplayer is not fun because I'm not sweaty enough. And I didn't feel like things were that sweaty then,

2892
04:27:39,980 --> 04:27:44,380
but now I'm totally there. I don't think this is age.

2893
04:27:44,380 --> 04:27:48,700
I think things have changed. I'm not sweaty and sweaty enough of a skier

2894
04:27:48,700 --> 04:27:52,220
to have fun skiing the way that I have fun boarding though.

2895
04:27:52,220 --> 04:27:55,020
So if you look at like Counter-Strike lobbies back in the day,

2896
04:27:55,820 --> 04:28:00,380
even the try-hards back then, in not all cases definitely,

2897
04:28:00,380 --> 04:28:03,580
but in a lot of cases would be seen as like very casual players these days,

2898
04:28:04,220 --> 04:28:06,940
in regards to the effort put into the game,

2899
04:28:07,500 --> 04:28:11,660
like the fact that it is genuinely common for people to like warm up and aim trainers,

2900
04:28:12,620 --> 04:28:17,420
like no, dude. That's crazy. The sweaty guys play every day after work.

2901
04:28:18,380 --> 04:28:21,500
Wow. Yeah. And now what do you have? Yeah.

2902
04:28:21,500 --> 04:28:28,140
60 hours a week of practice. That's crazy. And like it's like, I remember I played on some pretty good teams

2903
04:28:28,140 --> 04:28:32,380
and I remember like the idea of practicing if it wasn't just a scrim was like-

2904
04:28:32,380 --> 04:28:35,740
Was funny. Insane. Like like you would- What are you talking about?

2905
04:28:35,740 --> 04:28:40,140
Like when I was in high school, if someone said they were practicing a video game,

2906
04:28:40,140 --> 04:28:43,180
like you would have gotten an involuntary chortle,

2907
04:28:43,180 --> 04:28:44,300
like just like that one.

2908
04:28:46,300 --> 04:28:51,660
But like even on the team- It's hilarious to think about it. I remember our like our best player was talking

2909
04:28:51,660 --> 04:28:56,700
about how you wanted to do like effectively aim training and like teaching people some like movement things

2910
04:28:56,700 --> 04:28:59,900
and stuff like that. And everyone other than me was like,

2911
04:29:01,260 --> 04:29:05,820
no, I'll scrim. I'll like play and just get better through playing.

2912
04:29:05,820 --> 04:29:10,700
Let's do some monkeys. What are you talking about? I'm not going to like, no, not a chance.

2913
04:29:11,500 --> 04:29:15,180
And now people like very voluntarily on their own,

2914
04:29:15,900 --> 04:29:19,740
just to queue up like normals. They're not on a team.

2915
04:29:20,380 --> 04:29:24,940
None of this matters. They're going nowhere. We'll like practice and aim trainers for a long time

2916
04:29:24,940 --> 04:29:31,340
before they jump online. Like the playing field has legitimately shifted.

2917
04:29:31,340 --> 04:29:33,740
We have not just gotten older. It's probably both.

2918
04:29:34,460 --> 04:29:36,300
Yeah. But it's not just getting older.

2919
04:29:40,940 --> 04:29:44,540
Last one I've got for you tonight. Whale VIP here.

2920
04:29:44,540 --> 04:29:48,300
Oh, what's up? Gigi on the Helldivers game. Yeah, it was my first time playing.

2921
04:29:49,020 --> 04:29:54,300
It was fun. It's a good game. What game slash activity slash, et cetera.

2922
04:29:54,300 --> 04:29:58,220
Do you wish you could have done it at the LAN? I wanted to chair curl and I missed it.

2923
04:29:58,220 --> 04:30:00,940
I was busy chair curling is so fun.

2924
04:30:01,660 --> 04:30:05,180
I still can't believe your dad didn't win. He got, yeah, he got.

2925
04:30:05,180 --> 04:30:08,860
Didn't he win at one of our things once? Thought so. Yeah. Okay.

2926
04:30:08,860 --> 04:30:13,740
Somebody, he had a great shot apparently. And somebody just like whipped their chair and took his chair out.

2927
04:30:13,740 --> 04:30:18,940
I mean, that's curling, right? There's, yeah, there's, there is offensive measures to this game.

2928
04:30:18,940 --> 04:30:23,660
But you only have one shot. You can't like in a curling game, it goes back and forth constantly.

2929
04:30:23,660 --> 04:30:28,700
You, you throw your chair once, right? Right. So like you had a good shot and it got taken out.

2930
04:30:28,700 --> 04:30:33,820
It just is what it is. All right. Some of it's like the order that you just happened to be in.

2931
04:30:35,020 --> 04:30:37,820
I don't know. What was I going to say?

2932
04:30:39,340 --> 04:30:45,820
Yeah, I wish the, I wish the eight V eight. We got to kind of figure that out because that I really, I already agreed with the vision.

2933
04:30:47,020 --> 04:30:51,980
But now I saw the vision. And it was bright and there was just issues with it.

2934
04:30:51,980 --> 04:30:55,900
Yeah. I hope we can get there. Yeah. It will take a long time.

2935
04:30:55,900 --> 04:30:58,940
There were a lot of technical issues with the eight V eight this year.

2936
04:30:58,940 --> 04:31:03,420
When we were using it, it was great. The whole idea of everyone just sits down and you just play.

2937
04:31:04,140 --> 04:31:08,860
And there's no like, oh, sorry. No, I don't have you on steam.

2938
04:31:08,860 --> 04:31:15,420
So can someone lobby up so that we have like, like only maximum of two degrees of separation

2939
04:31:15,420 --> 04:31:19,580
between whoever's running the lobby and okay. Sorry, are we using the official servers?

2940
04:31:19,580 --> 04:31:23,420
Oh, well, I only have a pirated version of the game. So I'm not going to be able to join an official server.

2941
04:31:23,420 --> 04:31:27,340
Oh God, well, no, I have the official game. I have to go get a pirated version of it.

2942
04:31:27,340 --> 04:31:32,700
Good Lord. Like just that whole, that whole four plays just so not sexy.

2943
04:31:32,700 --> 04:31:35,820
For me, it was also just the defaultness of it.

2944
04:31:36,540 --> 04:31:42,540
People gathered near the entrance of the eight V eight. And everyone was like, we're playing Halo.

2945
04:31:43,500 --> 04:31:46,700
There is a blue side and a red side. Yep.

2946
04:31:46,700 --> 04:31:50,940
There is the blue team and the red team. I wonder what team I should join.

2947
04:31:52,380 --> 04:31:56,060
Oh, no, you just joined. I'm blue seven.

2948
04:31:56,060 --> 04:31:58,540
Well, I joined blue, like cool.

2949
04:31:59,500 --> 04:32:03,260
Like there's, there's no, you just get into the game pretty quick. You just start playing.

2950
04:32:03,260 --> 04:32:08,860
It was, it was, it was pretty sweet. We had some issues with the net booting and well, well, there were some problems.

2951
04:32:08,860 --> 04:32:11,340
We'll figure it out. We'll figure it out.

2952
04:32:11,980 --> 04:32:16,060
We need someone who's going to own it and then, and then they'll own it.

2953
04:32:16,700 --> 04:32:20,460
Huge props to the whale land team. Shout out Evan and Pankrat.

2954
04:32:20,460 --> 04:32:28,540
I think they might mean Yvonne or do they mean Evan, like our new social guy?

2955
04:32:32,380 --> 04:32:35,980
Cool. Evan the volunteer. Yeah, I thought so. I thought that might have been his name. Oh, that guy.

2956
04:32:35,980 --> 04:32:37,740
Evan's pretty based. Yeah. Evan's cool. Yeah.

2957
04:32:39,340 --> 04:32:46,300
And archive. I'm really bad with names. So I thought his name was Evan, but I didn't want to say it, but yeah.

2958
04:32:46,380 --> 04:32:49,420
Okay. Well, is that it for the man show? All right.

2959
04:32:49,420 --> 04:32:52,620
We'll see you again next week. Oh, same bad time. Same bad channel.

2960
04:32:52,620 --> 04:32:55,660
I feel like that's not going to be me. All right. Four hours flies by when you're having fun.

2961
04:32:55,660 --> 04:32:57,180
Bye. Bye.