WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:05.060 Oh, yeah, the NVIDIA shield has been getting updates for ten years 00:00:06.420 --> 00:00:12.660 That's that makes it older than I thought you're gonna go there 00:00:16.380 --> 00:00:19.260 To be clear nothing about that's funny. It's just 00:00:20.940 --> 00:00:27.820 Humor is an interesting thing dark uncomfortable. Yeah observation and sometimes the way we cope is to laugh 00:00:28.820 --> 00:00:34.400 Generally humor isn't just you know with any other audience. I wouldn't feel the need to explain 00:00:35.920 --> 00:00:41.000 Humor but sometimes Y'all are great like in general, but 00:00:42.000 --> 00:00:45.560 sometimes You know 00:00:45.560 --> 00:00:47.560 You guys know you guys know how you are 00:00:49.440 --> 00:00:54.180 The stream started with Luke laughing. Okay. Well, I guess buffer time just removed it anyways, cool 00:00:55.440 --> 00:00:59.820 That makes sense. It's probably okay Probably for the best 00:01:00.500 --> 00:01:04.460 What's funny is Epstein was a bad guy basically 00:01:05.860 --> 00:01:10.540 Yeah Yeah 00:01:15.580 --> 00:01:20.540 All right I 00:01:23.620 --> 00:01:30.300 Will be a ZTW next week ZTW next week. Can we get a teaser of what to expect? 00:01:31.980 --> 00:01:35.200 Doing live WAN Show there. That'll be cool. Yeah, expect that 00:01:36.940 --> 00:01:39.620 And there's a panel that we're doing where we're talking about stuff 00:01:41.060 --> 00:01:48.900 and Things and things and it definitely things as well for sure back when Turtle Beach was good. When was that? 00:01:52.300 --> 00:01:58.700 I don't even know what they're responding to I just saw that in flow playing chat I was like wait a second. I think they had some good interfaces or something at some point 00:01:58.780 --> 00:02:01.620 Do they their headphones were always crap though. Oh, yeah 00:02:02.860 --> 00:02:05.660 The only thing I thought was cool about them was that they had these like 00:02:06.220 --> 00:02:12.660 huge like Massive scale the headphones that they would bring to conferences that were kind of fun 00:02:16.220 --> 00:02:18.220 Have you seen this 00:02:21.660 --> 00:02:25.300 Who knows he said has you seen this and they're just left I 00:02:27.580 --> 00:02:32.420 Presume he's bringing something back But no idea what he's talking about 00:02:38.940 --> 00:02:44.300 Okay, I'm closing my eyes at request of Linus 00:02:53.740 --> 00:02:59.460 Okay, they were way bigger than that but what the heck oh, they're like buddy headphones 00:03:01.100 --> 00:03:05.100 There's a prop. Oh I mean 00:03:05.100 --> 00:03:10.520 Pud, you know, he would have just made these real. Oh, so what's up with these? Why? 00:03:12.140 --> 00:03:16.660 Well, they're surprisingly heavy. Oh, okay, so they do actually do something 00:03:20.020 --> 00:03:23.860 Shoot I'm sorry guys. I was muted were you able to pick me up through his well, whatever 00:03:24.100 --> 00:03:28.540 That's a real product and they're fun. It was mostly visual. It was mostly visual guys 00:03:31.580 --> 00:03:33.580 Wow 00:03:35.580 --> 00:03:39.080 No, they're headphones 00:03:41.220 --> 00:03:43.220 Okay, so you sit them here 00:03:46.380 --> 00:03:48.580 Yeah, there you go, okay 00:03:50.300 --> 00:03:54.340 Do people buy these things they are a gimmick product 00:03:55.460 --> 00:03:58.340 JLab has the Birmingham Bowl 00:03:59.340 --> 00:04:05.680 A football stadium thing and they're to celebrate something the title sponsor of a sports team. Oh 00:04:08.020 --> 00:04:13.360 Go sports ball, I just find there's there's products like this that you see every once in a while 00:04:15.740 --> 00:04:23.220 They are a gimmick and it's just it's interesting like, you know those like enormous Bluetooth speakers 00:04:23.340 --> 00:04:25.780 Yes, what's the market for those who buys those? 00:04:26.780 --> 00:04:31.700 events There's enough of events 00:04:32.180 --> 00:04:41.700 That would want that Especially like small events. They're super easy to use you just like plug a microphone into them and it's like instant PA 00:04:42.180 --> 00:04:49.420 Anywhere you want They're not that big in the context of I need big sound to address a small crowd 00:04:50.620 --> 00:04:52.940 So anything from like a big sale 00:04:53.660 --> 00:04:59.260 To like a little swim meat to like anything that you just like need okay 00:04:59.260 --> 00:05:05.440 So like genuinely small small events. So I was thinking like it's not enough for our all-hands. No 00:05:05.900 --> 00:05:10.620 So like that's a pretty small event and it's not enough for that. So it's got to be like 00:05:11.180 --> 00:05:13.180 little little little bitty event 00:05:14.860 --> 00:05:18.780 So I guess then the pricing would have to be realistically within what a 00:05:19.740 --> 00:05:23.060 10% income earner can mostly shrug off 00:05:23.900 --> 00:05:29.420 It's not really a business thing and that's kind of where they are. Yeah, apparently protesters use them 00:05:29.900 --> 00:05:37.580 Someone in chat said got it So they're like three four hundred bucks barbecue. I think I think they're in the kind of five hundred dollar range 00:05:37.580 --> 00:05:42.140 Yeah, they can go up to like thousand bucks really got giant batteries in them here 00:05:43.100 --> 00:05:50.940 Yeah, I mostly do all the JBL for like 400 bucks on Amazon CA. So that's Canadian. Oh, I'm doing Canadian 00:05:50.940 --> 00:05:53.440 Yeah, here's a Samsung one for 600 CAD 00:05:54.060 --> 00:06:00.220 Here's a like splash-proof one for oh, yeah, that's getting into the that's a bit of a stretch range 00:06:00.220 --> 00:06:06.380 Yeah, but if you need splash-proof, I guess you pay a little more and here's maybe maybe you've got like, you know the 00:06:07.340 --> 00:06:11.340 A few people are in on that one for like a pool thing like you're talking about 00:06:11.420 --> 00:06:18.220 We can get a no-name one for 200 CAD. Yeah. So like yeah, that's that's kind of the range. That's the range we're talking. Yeah 00:06:21.900 --> 00:06:24.540 Yeah, I do a lot of short circuits. Sony sends us a bunch of them 00:06:25.340 --> 00:06:31.660 Uh, the Sony ones known as Sony does a lot of really good their price to performance is where it should be 00:06:32.300 --> 00:06:40.060 Yeah, okay, but they're not cheap I got an 800 samsung one pretty sweet for jamming while cleaning the house 00:06:42.460 --> 00:06:49.020 That's crazy by headphones Hmm. Hey, yeah, that's a use case I did not expect for those 00:06:51.980 --> 00:06:54.480 Huh, especially for 800 bucks 00:06:58.300 --> 00:07:03.100 I have an ion version of that it slaps I use it for working construction. Okay 00:07:04.060 --> 00:07:10.780 The battery life and sound quality outperformed to Walt Milwaukee, etc. Got a refurbished one on amazon for 150 CAD. Yeah, okay, boom 00:07:10.940 --> 00:07:18.860 Yeah See about 150 CAD like that's you're getting into much more reasonable ranges at that point. It's still a lot but 00:07:21.020 --> 00:07:23.020 Yeah 00:07:26.060 --> 00:07:31.100 Splash-proof can also just be for like people in scotland having summer parties 00:07:31.820 --> 00:07:37.660 Well, I just a joke about the miserable weather in scotland. Oh, okay. Got it 00:07:47.980 --> 00:07:51.260 Orgies Yeah, 80s new wave over the stereo while cleaning 00:07:51.260 --> 00:07:57.500 You know, I get that my the the the reason why I raised my eyebrow at that is because you can just do that for so much cheaper 00:07:57.900 --> 00:08:02.700 Like the the like good part of these things is that they're portable and they have batteries and stuff 00:08:02.700 --> 00:08:07.100 If you're in your house cleaning You could just use speakers that you have in your house 00:08:08.620 --> 00:08:13.580 Or giant headphones around your neck or giant Or normal headphones on your head 00:08:13.900 --> 00:08:15.900 Well, that's a good idea. I didn't think of that 00:08:17.820 --> 00:08:21.740 Oh, no, he's cleaning and you got his AirPods in You 00:08:26.780 --> 00:08:28.780 We need to talk about open claw 00:08:35.580 --> 00:08:41.260 Is this the thing where her email got deleted? I don't know maybe probably I've heard some bad stuff 00:08:49.740 --> 00:08:54.140 I'm sorry. There's just a reddit comment on the on an open claw or a thing 00:08:55.340 --> 00:08:59.980 Hype plus no safeguards is all the current pack of brain atrophied yolo 00:08:59.980 --> 00:09:04.380 Let's need to allow clawed to hold the wheel in every aspect of their lives 00:09:10.700 --> 00:09:16.300 Oh man, that's pretty good. That is pretty good 00:09:19.740 --> 00:09:21.740 I 00:09:27.740 --> 00:09:29.740 Think I'm becoming a leadite man 00:09:32.460 --> 00:09:38.540 I don't care how to integrate an AI agent into my workflow, uh, maybe it would help you not suck at Linux 00:09:44.620 --> 00:09:51.900 Boom roasted It's your laptop you can hurt it as much as you want 00:09:53.900 --> 00:09:58.940 I did nothing wrong. Yeah, maybe you could have done things more right. I did nothing wrong 00:10:01.980 --> 00:10:05.100 Dude the first okay, you know what we should save this for the show, but 00:10:05.820 --> 00:10:09.580 The first day of Linux challenge was crazy for me 00:10:11.900 --> 00:10:17.980 Yeah, but you're just We can save for the show. Mm-hmm. We sure can 00:10:20.060 --> 00:10:22.060 We sure can 00:10:23.820 --> 00:10:27.340 Should we start the show and yeah, we're gonna call it challenge now 00:10:27.820 --> 00:10:32.220 I was on the fence about calling it challenge before it's definitely challenge for some 00:10:32.940 --> 00:10:47.100 It's it's a challenge All right, I'm just gonna have you do it. I guess then is that cool 00:10:49.420 --> 00:10:52.220 Um, no, maybe don't I need to figure out about that 00:10:57.660 --> 00:11:03.580 To now Floatplane twitch he's got two youtube facebook 00:11:04.940 --> 00:11:10.540 No, no, let's not this week. I need to figure that out more. Oh, well, does that matter? 00:11:15.980 --> 00:11:19.420 Okay, is there a problem? No, okay 00:11:29.740 --> 00:11:38.780 The first time Linus does anything it's crazy for him 00:11:40.060 --> 00:11:43.980 Uh, when I show you guys what happened, I mean luke 00:11:46.220 --> 00:11:51.100 That clip I showed you, uh, yeah, would you call that crazy? Yeah, it didn't happen to me 00:11:52.540 --> 00:11:54.540 I'm cursed it never happened to me 00:11:55.980 --> 00:12:06.220 Won't happen to me. I think Torpedo bench says I say this with all due respect Linus. I'm so looking forward to seeing what you're doing to over complicate the Linux experience this time 00:12:08.060 --> 00:12:14.700 I didn't do anything I swear this is like that time that I opened up that laptop 00:12:15.420 --> 00:12:18.940 That had Linux on it and it just like spontaneously fucking broke 00:12:19.580 --> 00:12:24.380 Like just remember when you're on live tv and you tried to press the button to make the thing do the thing and it was like nah 00:12:28.940 --> 00:12:33.500 And then the second we walked it offstage it was like, okay 00:12:39.180 --> 00:12:41.180 Oh, there's no cameras around now. All right 00:12:46.540 --> 00:12:51.260 Amaker says how are Linux people being defensive before they've even heard the issue you've had Linus 00:12:53.420 --> 00:12:57.260 Have you ever have you have you met my friend the Linux community? 00:12:58.540 --> 00:13:01.580 They're gonna they're gonna frickin, you know, I 00:13:06.540 --> 00:13:10.780 Yeah, um, okay. Oh, we should add it to the doc Linux challenge update 00:13:14.060 --> 00:13:16.060 I'm adding a spot for it 00:13:28.140 --> 00:13:30.140 Uh 00:13:35.580 --> 00:13:37.580 Okay, should we do let's do this thing 00:13:39.580 --> 00:13:43.020 Maybe we should talk about open cloth. Is there an open cloth topic? Nope 00:13:45.420 --> 00:13:47.420 It's on tackling today 00:13:54.780 --> 00:13:56.780 He always thinks he doesn't do anything I 00:13:58.380 --> 00:14:01.180 That thing where I deleted my gooey was a bug 00:14:01.900 --> 00:14:07.900 The initial knee jerk reaction was that it was like user error and you could make an argument for user error 00:14:08.460 --> 00:14:12.940 There's a extremely strong argument for user error because you hold on 00:14:13.820 --> 00:14:19.660 No, there's also an extremely strong argument for that was a bug that they acknowledged was a bug 00:14:21.660 --> 00:14:25.100 So that was a bug that they acknowledged was a bug and they had to fix 00:14:25.900 --> 00:14:28.940 And it told me what it was going to do and you said yes, that's nice 00:14:30.220 --> 00:14:34.380 It was a bug both things are true bugged behavior that should have never 00:14:34.940 --> 00:14:39.100 Happened you also didn't read. Yeah, but I had no way of knowing what that even did 00:14:39.420 --> 00:14:41.980 I had no way of knowing that anything that I was doing 00:14:42.620 --> 00:14:47.900 Would would result in anything catastrophic. It was a bug though. I don't know if people followed that up 00:14:47.980 --> 00:14:53.980 So that's the most important thing is the initial knee jerk reaction was this guy is a complete idiot 00:14:54.380 --> 00:14:58.060 How did he manage to screw it up doing something so basic? Which was 00:14:59.020 --> 00:15:05.980 Exactly how I fell into it because there should have been no way to screw it up doing something so basic 00:15:06.380 --> 00:15:10.620 So, yeah, I just followed along and I was like, I guess I want to go see what it said on screen 00:15:10.620 --> 00:15:18.780 I remember it says something along the lines of like you Shouldn't be doing this thing. Yeah, please acknowledge that you know absolutely what you're doing and you were like irreversible 00:15:19.260 --> 00:15:27.820 Yeah, yeah, maybe at that point time But that should never have been that should never have been possible when you're just installing steam 00:15:29.420 --> 00:15:36.460 Through the official app store Like you're actually being a neck beard right now. That should you need to relax. Holy crap. Like 00:15:40.540 --> 00:15:44.300 My god, it is definitely both. It's okay for it to be both 00:15:45.180 --> 00:15:48.140 Yeah, I'm not being neck bearded by saying that it's both. Well, you're a little 00:15:48.700 --> 00:15:53.580 No, I'm not if something says like hey, you really shouldn't do this and you go. Yes, I will definitely do this 00:15:53.580 --> 00:15:57.900 This is definitely fine, but that is a mistake and that's okay never have come up 00:15:58.540 --> 00:16:04.300 Sure, because it was a bug right. We're admitting it's both sides. So I've said it's a bug from the beginning right relax 00:16:04.300 --> 00:16:08.380 So then the part where I start by saying arguably it was user error 00:16:08.940 --> 00:16:12.380 It's both right. Yeah, so then that's the part where instead of 00:16:13.180 --> 00:16:17.580 riding that Because I've already acknowledged it from the very beginning 00:16:18.220 --> 00:16:21.580 Okay You need to chill 00:16:22.300 --> 00:16:27.260 You know what? No, I'm I'm pretty I'm pretty upset about it. Do you have any idea how much fucking flak? 00:16:27.660 --> 00:16:34.060 I've taken a lot. Yeah, right Because the initial reaction, which is exactly what I'm trying to talk about right now 00:16:34.620 --> 00:16:38.140 The initial reaction was this guy's a complete idiot 00:16:39.100 --> 00:16:45.100 Okay, but I made him a complete idiot what I so yeah, but there's a lot of baggage here. Okay, so there's a lot 00:16:45.660 --> 00:16:52.060 There's a lot of assumptions that are made whenever I do anything to do with Linux 00:16:54.700 --> 00:16:57.100 There should have been no way 00:16:58.140 --> 00:17:03.820 To completely delete your operating system when you are trying to install steam using the official store 00:17:04.380 --> 00:17:09.580 It should have been impossible. So what I'm seeing right now is that you're on the official store and it airs out 00:17:10.380 --> 00:17:13.980 And then you go to a command line. You're a no longer give it a sec 00:17:14.380 --> 00:17:18.780 You're no longer on the official store. Yes. It's gonna take a second. You're no longer on the official store 00:17:18.780 --> 00:17:25.420 You're in a command line. You're telling you to install something should this do the thing that it did absolutely. No, right huge bug 00:17:25.820 --> 00:17:29.420 Recognized by a bunch of people as a huge box. That's it. So what I said was 00:17:30.300 --> 00:17:35.340 And then it says yes, you're about to do something potentially harmful. Yes to continue 00:17:35.340 --> 00:17:42.380 You should type in yes do as I say so potentially harmful off at that point. Why why would I think that the operating system 00:17:42.460 --> 00:17:46.220 Is telling you that you probably shouldn't do the thing that you do it is of course it is 00:17:47.020 --> 00:17:49.580 But it also should never have been possible 00:17:50.620 --> 00:17:57.340 I was just following along. Yeah, I agree right. So they fully acknowledge after the initial bullshit 00:17:58.300 --> 00:18:02.140 That this was a bug in pop o s and that never should have happened 00:18:02.780 --> 00:18:07.500 I should never have been put into that flow. I don't even know if it was specifically just popo apps 00:18:08.220 --> 00:18:14.940 I thought it was a little bit more than that To my knowledge, it was popo s popo s was the one that had to fix it. Sure. So 00:18:20.380 --> 00:18:29.580 And the laptop was nothing I literally did nothing I don't even know if I remember the laptop. It's spontaneously broke. Is that in a video? Yeah, that's on ShortCircuit 00:18:29.660 --> 00:18:34.860 Okay, I think we ended up uploading because again, so yeah, there's a bit of sensitivity here for me 00:18:35.180 --> 00:18:39.020 Okay, because we ended we ended up having to upload an unedited cut of it 00:18:39.900 --> 00:18:46.300 To demonstrate that no I didn't do anything of what sorry the laptop. Okay. I don't even know about this laptop one. Yeah, so 00:18:48.700 --> 00:18:53.820 Blah blah blah. Yes, it was a bug within steam Linux presumes that a terminal user reads stuff and understands it 00:18:53.900 --> 00:18:57.900 It was like a steam bug. I don't think it was just popo s. I thought it was popo s 00:18:58.060 --> 00:19:04.860 Okay, don't from what I've seen in the in the aftermath was people pointed out it was a steam bug and it's something that people are like 00:19:06.620 --> 00:19:11.740 It's uh So that was that was taken pretty seriously as far as my understanding goes once it was 00:19:11.980 --> 00:19:18.540 Yeah, eventually After an initial after an initial i'm not arguing any of that. I'm just saying I'm explaining 00:19:19.340 --> 00:19:24.540 Why it's irritating and I'm trying to explain when you're so calling me a neck beard and shit 00:19:24.780 --> 00:19:28.860 You're you're kind of acting like one for a bit. You should calm down and relax with that 00:19:28.860 --> 00:19:33.820 That's crazy. So all I'm saying is that there's there's absolutely a bug a very major one 00:19:34.140 --> 00:19:38.060 And we're in a computer tells you you might want to question yourself doing this very harmful thing 00:19:38.300 --> 00:19:42.220 I need you to type out a long sentence exactly as phrased in order to be able to do it 00:19:42.380 --> 00:19:45.100 It's not a long sentence. Maybe you should back down. Yes, do as I say 00:19:45.980 --> 00:19:48.940 Yes, do as I say that's a five proper capitalization 00:19:49.420 --> 00:19:54.860 And punctuation into a computer is not a normal thing to do. Sure. But how am I supposed to know that? 00:19:55.820 --> 00:20:01.820 It seems how am I supposed to know that? To question why I have to type this long thing to you. Yes 00:20:02.940 --> 00:20:08.540 But to me it didn't okay. I've had to type in confirmations for all kinds of mundane stuff before 00:20:08.940 --> 00:20:12.700 Okay, and in Linux you have to type all kinds of confirmations for crap 00:20:13.340 --> 00:20:16.140 Dude, have you ever tried to install anything on macOS? 00:20:16.460 --> 00:20:20.300 You have to enter your bloody password or biometrically authenticate like four times 00:20:21.020 --> 00:20:26.700 Yeah, and this wasn't that it's like very different. It's extremely different except that how am I supposed to know that it's different 00:20:27.260 --> 00:20:32.780 Uh, because I'm using a system. I haven't specifically. Yes. Do as I say. So what how is that different? 00:20:32.780 --> 00:20:36.380 Hey, this thing you're doing is very potentially harmful. Yes 00:20:36.380 --> 00:20:40.940 I need you to override this warning and do as I say so is not typing an authentication password 00:20:40.940 --> 00:20:45.740 As a Linux bro, that's obvious. I'm not a Linux bro. Hold on though 00:20:46.460 --> 00:20:49.260 If you were you can't just overwrite everything that I say 00:20:49.500 --> 00:20:52.620 Well, I'm you have to let me talk then. Okay. Go for it. So 00:20:53.260 --> 00:20:57.980 To me let's let's say that I am not a Linux bro and I have no experience with it 00:20:58.700 --> 00:21:03.580 whatsoever Let's say no, that's not true. Let's say I have no experience with it whatsoever 00:21:04.220 --> 00:21:09.260 How am I supposed to know that yes do as I say is some kind of 00:21:09.980 --> 00:21:14.300 godly level above literal what was sci-fi growing up 00:21:14.620 --> 00:21:19.580 Where I scan my finger into something to verify that I actually mean it. I also don't think it's that deep 00:21:20.140 --> 00:21:23.660 If it's what do you mean? It's not that deep if you if there is user I asked a direct question 00:21:23.820 --> 00:21:26.140 How am I supposed to know that that's way above this? 00:21:26.940 --> 00:21:33.100 How should I know that? I mean, I can't be in your brain to me. They're very different typing in a password to authenticate versus saying 00:21:33.180 --> 00:21:37.100 Yes, do as I say do as I say. No, I didn't say typing in a password 00:21:37.580 --> 00:21:44.380 Okay, I don't know I said I'm like I'm scanning my body to verify something. Oh biometric authentication. It's like the same level of thing 00:21:46.060 --> 00:21:52.860 Why How am I average usage of a computer? What are you talking about? When you biometrically authenticate 00:21:52.940 --> 00:21:56.940 It's usually in replacement of a password. They do the same thing. They operate the same way. Sure 00:21:57.020 --> 00:22:00.620 This is not a password. So So what? 00:22:00.620 --> 00:22:04.620 It's authentication versus override. It's they're totally different things 00:22:04.780 --> 00:22:12.380 So let's say for instance, let's say hypothetically that I am not a Linux bro, but this isn't like 00:22:13.740 --> 00:22:18.940 This is like verifying you you are who you are when you show up to a job site versus someone saying like hey, you shouldn't 00:22:19.420 --> 00:22:23.500 Swing this hammer here and you say yeah, I'm going to anyways like they're they're they're they're just complete 00:22:23.500 --> 00:22:29.020 I don't even understand how you're sure but That example comes up all the time 00:22:29.740 --> 00:22:33.740 All the time in Windows where hey, you shouldn't make any changes to the registry 00:22:33.980 --> 00:22:43.260 Lest lest dragons be there And then you have to flip registry bits around all the time in order to do basic stuff like change the animation speed of the start menu 00:22:43.980 --> 00:22:48.220 Yeah, almost no one does that. That's very advanced user things. What do you mean? Almost no one does that? 00:22:48.300 --> 00:22:55.100 Yeah, almost you're gonna say that to that audience That almost no one does a registry at it. You gotta be kidding me your own arguments that you make often 00:22:55.180 --> 00:23:00.220 I know you're heightened right now. Yeah using your own arguments that you make often. Yeah, that's not almost everybody 00:23:01.260 --> 00:23:05.580 That's enthusiast. Okay Okay, so almost everybody doesn't do that 00:23:07.820 --> 00:23:12.460 I'm not This is okay. Like this is like literally to come on 00:23:13.580 --> 00:23:16.940 I don't know what to tell you man. Most people aren't doing reg edits on their computer 00:23:18.620 --> 00:23:20.620 So you would say 00:23:23.500 --> 00:23:30.940 Oh man, it's a little bit user error. It's not that deep you got massively over burned for it. I don't think it's that big of a deal 00:23:31.900 --> 00:23:36.060 You can just kind of reset. I think you got way over burned for it 00:23:36.140 --> 00:23:40.300 I think that the thing that I'm finding very frustrating 00:23:41.180 --> 00:23:49.740 Sure is how obvious this is to you when my whole point is that this is not necessarily obvious 00:23:50.780 --> 00:23:58.060 If I have never used a given system, how am I supposed to know the hierarchy of authentication? 00:23:58.460 --> 00:24:03.900 So you say that the the you know fingerprint authentication is exactly the same as a password 00:24:04.220 --> 00:24:10.300 No, but where I started but where I started was on macOS if you've ever tried to just like download a dmg 00:24:11.020 --> 00:24:13.740 And install from an unauthorized source on macOS 00:24:14.300 --> 00:24:20.700 Like multiple times you have to put in your password and and or use touch id multiple times 00:24:21.100 --> 00:24:27.900 So then how am I to know that if passwords are exactly equivalent to to a biometric authentication? 00:24:28.300 --> 00:24:34.700 And then typing in a phrase which is not a long sentence and again It's that kind of hyperbole that really like doesn't help 00:24:35.260 --> 00:24:38.860 Right. It was not a long sentence and it's just kind of a weird thing to say. Why are you? 00:24:39.420 --> 00:24:45.180 Why are you making it like that again? I need you to relax. Yeah, the reason why I'm saying long sentence doing stuff like that 00:24:46.380 --> 00:24:49.260 The reason why I'm saying long sentence chill. So I'm not done yet though 00:24:49.500 --> 00:24:54.860 so how am I supposed to know that the hierarchy is a password is exactly the same as touch id and 00:24:55.500 --> 00:24:59.740 Typing a not long sentence is way up here. So then where would two 00:25:00.220 --> 00:25:03.980 Touch id's be or three. How do I know that that's not here? 00:25:04.460 --> 00:25:07.740 And if all I'm doing is installing some stupid, what did I have to do on macOS? 00:25:08.060 --> 00:25:13.420 I had to install I had to install some stupid thing in order to reverse the direction of my scroll wheel 00:25:13.740 --> 00:25:20.300 But not reverse the direction of my touchpad or something like that So on a system that I've never used before should I have been like, oh my god 00:25:20.300 --> 00:25:23.580 I shouldn't do this because I have to enter my password multiple times to do it 00:25:24.540 --> 00:25:29.260 Because it's gonna prompt me. It's gonna be like, oh my god, this is unsafe think back to uac on Windows 00:25:29.740 --> 00:25:34.860 Oh my god, do you trust this? Oh my god So what I'm trying to say is no 00:25:35.660 --> 00:25:40.780 I don't think it's an unfair thing to see. Okay. Yeah, I just type this thing 00:25:40.780 --> 00:25:47.020 I'm just following a flow that this should never have existed in which is fully acknowledged was an actual bug 00:25:47.260 --> 00:25:51.740 And never should have happened that it could could possibly have a result like that 00:25:52.620 --> 00:25:58.140 If I haven't used this system, I have no context for this hierarchy of authentication. None 00:26:00.700 --> 00:26:02.700 That's the whole point 00:26:03.820 --> 00:26:09.100 Are you done? Yeah, okay. So the long sentence thing. Yes, if I can address that sure 00:26:09.740 --> 00:26:17.740 almost all entries in there when you're responding to something is like y or n yes or no neat, but I don't know that it 00:26:18.700 --> 00:26:25.100 It was a sentence that required perfect capitalization and punctuation to enter neat, but I have no context for that 00:26:26.460 --> 00:26:30.700 I'm gonna finish talking if you can sure I'm gonna take the same affordance that you did 00:26:31.500 --> 00:26:38.380 So it's it's a strange thing. You've done a few entries. I know you are not day one for this 00:26:38.700 --> 00:26:44.940 You've done these types of things before You've done stuff in command line before that was a strange thing 00:26:45.900 --> 00:26:51.340 Long sentence maybe isn't exact perfect verbiage. I don't think you've used exact perfect verbiage for everything in this entire 00:26:51.740 --> 00:26:57.100 Argument either. I don't think that's a strong argument. My point is that it was it is strange 00:26:57.180 --> 00:27:01.340 It is long. It requires perfect punctuation. All that kind of stuff is interesting the touch ID 00:27:01.980 --> 00:27:07.500 biometric password thing versus an override I don't think the construction site analogy that I was using was perfect 00:27:07.740 --> 00:27:12.700 What I'm saying is there's user authentication. This is me. I'm going to input my password 00:27:12.940 --> 00:27:17.660 I'm verifying that this is me that is trying to do this thing. I'm the owner of the account. I am whatever else 00:27:18.140 --> 00:27:24.140 there is that versus A specific warning now you bring up user account control stuff like that 00:27:24.300 --> 00:27:28.780 That is more valid in my opinion that is much more related to what just happened here 00:27:28.940 --> 00:27:33.820 that is a warning that is coming up And you are overriding that warning 00:27:33.900 --> 00:27:41.340 I think the barrier of entry to overriding that warning of clicking. Yes versus typing again in perfect case with perfect punctuation 00:27:41.820 --> 00:27:45.980 Yes, I know what I'm doing or whatever it is is different. You're also acknowledging. Yes 00:27:45.980 --> 00:27:49.260 I know what I'm doing when you didn't in that scenario, which again 00:27:50.220 --> 00:27:54.460 Is probably a flag. You should maybe back out and stop doing the thing that you're doing now again 00:27:54.620 --> 00:27:59.980 I want to put out there Does the fact that you did this matter almost not at all in my opinion 00:28:00.700 --> 00:28:03.180 Who cares? I thought it was like funny if anything 00:28:04.220 --> 00:28:08.140 It could happen to a ton of people. I don't think it's that deep. I don't think it's that big of a deal 00:28:08.460 --> 00:28:13.020 I think people over blew it Said that back then say that now it doesn't matter 00:28:13.980 --> 00:28:19.820 So things don't matter until they matter Unfortunately, and I don't get to decide what matters. You can decide if it matters 00:28:20.060 --> 00:28:23.820 Not really you can decide if it matters to you a hundred percent and I can decide if it matters to me 00:28:23.980 --> 00:28:27.820 I don't think that it matters to me You can decide that it matters to you the audience decided it mattered to them 00:28:28.140 --> 00:28:35.580 Linux people are kind of nuts sometimes Yeah, so there is in my opinion user error involved when you type in 00:28:35.900 --> 00:28:39.020 Yes, do as I say right something that you don't know what you're dealing with 00:28:39.260 --> 00:28:43.180 I don't think it's very important. So then coming I'm not putting it as a huge error on you 00:28:43.260 --> 00:28:46.300 I'm going to try to talk for a little bit. You took that. I'm going to take that 00:28:46.700 --> 00:28:53.340 Um, I'm not putting on you as like a huge deal thing But it is a very minor amount of user error that was fixable by reinstalling 00:28:53.500 --> 00:29:01.180 It was a fresh install not that huge of a deal Um, but the biggest culprit here is that there was a massive bug. Sure. So 00:29:02.140 --> 00:29:08.380 So my issue then how I got started on this and I'll use the t word how I got a little triggered by this 00:29:08.860 --> 00:29:13.180 Is I started with that? Started with what? I started with 00:29:13.740 --> 00:29:18.460 user error Okay So why did we hammer on it? 00:29:18.940 --> 00:29:25.420 I really don't think what I do is hammer. Well, then you can go back and rewatch it. Okay. Completely unnecessary. Oh, I probably will for this definitely. Yeah 00:29:26.220 --> 00:29:30.300 so Yeah, a little frustrated 00:29:30.540 --> 00:29:32.780 Yeah, I think so 00:29:42.380 --> 00:29:48.220 You know what hammer on it is probably not fair definitely not a lot of things in that weren't to be completely honest 00:29:48.220 --> 00:29:53.340 What else? Uh, a lot of what went just to happen is like honestly super ridiculous 00:29:57.100 --> 00:29:59.100 Um, okay 00:30:00.540 --> 00:30:04.860 I Well, I'm sorry 00:30:06.060 --> 00:30:10.300 We're good. All right We're good 00:30:10.540 --> 00:30:17.500 I understand Something that I think people that just watched that might not understand is the 00:30:17.740 --> 00:30:23.180 That ain't the first time. No, actually not my point at all. Oh, that's true. But not my point at all. Um, 00:30:23.980 --> 00:30:25.980 is the like 00:30:27.020 --> 00:30:29.340 The weight that a lot of this stuff has 00:30:30.300 --> 00:30:32.860 I don't think you can understand until you've felt 00:30:34.220 --> 00:30:36.220 200,000 comments calling you an idiot 00:30:37.900 --> 00:30:42.540 What that does to your brain? um 00:30:42.540 --> 00:30:51.100 so like Like I said there, I can care I can decide like how much I care about this thing which is effectively not at all 00:30:52.060 --> 00:30:58.620 um And that's going to paint my reaction to this thing which is just like oh, it's just I mean 00:30:58.620 --> 00:31:02.380 It's a fairly meaningless small 00:31:02.380 --> 00:31:05.660 mistake that led to a very large impact of like 00:31:06.380 --> 00:31:10.860 self-delete operating system Um due to a bug that's very annoying 00:31:11.420 --> 00:31:14.860 Uh, but he comes in with the incredible weight of 00:31:15.580 --> 00:31:17.580 what probably like 00:31:18.940 --> 00:31:25.260 I'm guessing at least two months of just getting like dragged and not just dragged by comments but getting dragged by 00:31:26.140 --> 00:31:35.980 Uh, Linux creators making videos of it. Um shorts comments on reddit it popping up in his feed consistently for for weeks and weeks and weeks and months and months and months 00:31:36.540 --> 00:31:44.540 um So like I'm frustrated because I don't want to be called a neck beard for having Linux takes when I'm like barely even a Linux user 00:31:44.620 --> 00:31:47.180 And I I don't I don't think it was all that deep 00:31:47.740 --> 00:31:53.180 but realistically I understand why he was frustrated about those things 00:31:53.820 --> 00:31:59.260 Because there's just so much weight put on you. Um, and I've been in similar situations. There are things 00:31:59.820 --> 00:32:02.780 Where Linus could push a button that lightly and I would 00:32:04.140 --> 00:32:08.780 Get triggered that hard I can't think off top my head about a guarantee that exists 00:32:10.380 --> 00:32:12.380 Anything to do with pizza warmer 00:32:15.180 --> 00:32:19.260 So like I don't know it's fine 00:32:20.700 --> 00:32:23.900 And yeah, sorry. Sorry. I poked it. I didn't quite realize how 00:32:24.620 --> 00:32:29.020 How it's all good sensitive the button was that's my bad. I'm not trying to call you sensitive 00:32:29.340 --> 00:32:31.900 Curo asks why are you guys still talking about it move on? 00:32:32.620 --> 00:32:36.140 Because talking about it is how you move on. It's better to resolve 00:32:40.300 --> 00:32:44.540 This is like I'm you know, it's this is one of those things right where it's like 00:32:45.500 --> 00:32:49.420 When uh, when Yvonne and I fight in front of the kids, which we try to avoid it's probably happened 00:32:50.700 --> 00:32:55.660 Half a dozen times and sorry sorry for fighting in front of you kids. Yeah in in in you know 00:32:57.260 --> 00:33:00.780 Well over 10 years of being parents, right? um 00:33:00.780 --> 00:33:04.860 One of the things that we try to talk to them about after is like look, we're sorry you had to see that but 00:33:06.300 --> 00:33:09.500 If you have to see that then we're really glad that 00:33:10.620 --> 00:33:15.260 You're seeing how we bring it to a conclusion Um, and how we don't leave something 00:33:15.980 --> 00:33:19.980 Unsett I think it's much better that if we're having an issue that we 00:33:20.940 --> 00:33:24.860 We do talk through it. Um, it's not always easy to 00:33:25.820 --> 00:33:31.340 sort of just Let someone else go while you're feeling personally attacked. Um 00:33:32.620 --> 00:33:39.820 It's not always easy to not throw personal attacks when you feel like someone else is whether they intended to or not, right? And so 00:33:40.620 --> 00:33:47.900 Yeah, you know, this is not the kind of thing that we want to talk about in front of you, but kids 00:33:49.020 --> 00:33:51.340 I like to have the kids in this analogy. Sorry, but 00:33:53.020 --> 00:33:57.900 It is the kind of thing where You know, if you guys are going to 00:33:59.180 --> 00:34:02.540 I mean, that's the wanshow, right? Like if you guys are going to feel like you know us at all 00:34:03.340 --> 00:34:07.100 Then you might as well you might as well see it. Luke and I you know play 00:34:07.340 --> 00:34:11.500 Dude bros who basically agree with each other on a podcast 00:34:12.700 --> 00:34:17.340 98% of the time Which is probably pretty accurate 00:34:18.060 --> 00:34:21.580 But one of the ways that we reach consensus on things 00:34:22.380 --> 00:34:25.980 Is by having really uncomfortable sometimes heated 00:34:27.340 --> 00:34:30.860 Very frustrating sometimes hurtful conversations 00:34:33.020 --> 00:34:37.020 It's not an accident It's not a random 00:34:37.420 --> 00:34:42.940 And we've been doing that and it's you know, it's not that common, but we've been doing that for freaking 15 years like 00:34:47.660 --> 00:34:53.340 That was never like even in the middle of that I knew that was never going to really last beyond 00:34:54.780 --> 00:34:59.260 The next 10 minutes or whatever I 00:35:04.780 --> 00:35:07.180 Calling chat kids is very bostonian of you 00:35:07.980 --> 00:35:13.660 Is that a thing? I don't know. I think we were just leaning into chat making the analogy earlier 00:35:14.860 --> 00:35:19.420 I mean, we could have kids as our nickname for chat. Oh, I was just saying you you mentioned the like 00:35:19.740 --> 00:35:24.940 Evonne and I try not to argue in front of the kids. So I was just dragging that analogy to this scenario 00:35:26.780 --> 00:35:28.780 We 00:35:30.220 --> 00:35:32.220 All right 00:35:33.580 --> 00:35:36.060 If we want to high five we don't high five though we do this 00:35:37.420 --> 00:35:40.860 Yeah, very good. Very good. Very good. All right 00:35:42.780 --> 00:35:47.420 Should we roll the wansha? What bloody time is it? Good lord five thirty hit it Dan 00:35:49.020 --> 00:35:53.020 How hard was it for you to stay out of that? I 00:35:54.540 --> 00:35:58.380 Was just along for the ride I suspect very easy actually 00:36:01.180 --> 00:36:08.540 I'd have been tempted to just kind of quip at least a little quip sometimes not quipping is important 00:36:11.180 --> 00:36:17.020 Okay, I'm gonna punch it if you guys are ready. All right, all right, let's do it. Okay resuming this selected now 00:36:21.900 --> 00:36:23.900 You 00:36:32.140 --> 00:36:39.340 What is up everybody and welcome to the wanshow we have a terrific show for you guys today 00:36:40.540 --> 00:36:47.100 The Linux challenge is not going well for me. I managed to run into 00:36:47.820 --> 00:36:55.260 It's hard to even It's hard to even quantify them at this point, but at least five things. I've never seen before 00:36:56.540 --> 00:36:59.500 And I swear I swear on 00:37:00.300 --> 00:37:02.940 What can I swear on tell me something to swear on? 00:37:03.340 --> 00:37:06.860 Uh, the show I swear on the wanshow 00:37:07.980 --> 00:37:09.980 I guess do I put my right hand on it? 00:37:11.020 --> 00:37:14.700 I swear on the wanshow that I didn't do anything weird 00:37:15.180 --> 00:37:18.460 I Swear it. I swear. It's true 00:37:19.100 --> 00:37:22.140 The one the bug you showed me before the show was wild 00:37:22.940 --> 00:37:27.740 I uh, that was fascinating I didn't do anything 00:37:28.140 --> 00:37:34.220 In other news doughnuts Labs claims to have made a solid state battery with the keyword being 00:37:34.780 --> 00:37:41.820 claims Uh, this rabbit hole goes pretty deep solid rabbit hole at the state of it is 00:37:42.620 --> 00:37:44.620 Uncertain and 00:37:45.900 --> 00:37:54.380 Nebulous what else we got this week paramount is set to take over warner bros in a continued series of media consolidation 00:37:54.460 --> 00:37:58.540 Which like should probably concern everyone everybody 00:37:58.940 --> 00:38:07.580 Uh, also burger king is vying for the throne of politeness with ai and all of their employees ears all the time 00:38:08.540 --> 00:38:12.060 Oh, it's more wired up to their mouths, which is 00:38:12.940 --> 00:38:16.060 Weirder. Oh wait, really? I might have misunderstood 00:38:16.380 --> 00:38:21.180 I was thinking when you didn't freak out about that that you probably misunderstood. Yeah, that's a lot worse 00:38:38.140 --> 00:38:43.740 The show is brought to you today by vessie 00:38:44.300 --> 00:38:49.100 Ugreen app control and ground news alongside our rap partner dbrand 00:38:49.500 --> 00:38:56.380 And our laptop partner razor and our chair partner also razor, which it's not a different company. It's just 00:38:57.100 --> 00:39:00.300 It's just razor be funny if it was it'd be funny if it was also 00:39:01.900 --> 00:39:09.820 Just sponsored by both of them. Okay What's going on? What do you want to do first? Have we have you talked publicly? 00:39:09.820 --> 00:39:12.380 I don't think so about what distro you're going to choose 00:39:13.180 --> 00:39:20.220 I have not because I hadn't decided until elijah and I shot the first episode of Linux challenge 2026 00:39:20.300 --> 00:39:24.300 Okay, and elijah even did not know that I did not know 00:39:24.780 --> 00:39:27.980 Which Linux distra I was going to be using he was like, okay 00:39:28.220 --> 00:39:33.100 We're at the point in the video where the script just says Linus decides on his distro and I was like 00:39:33.900 --> 00:39:43.020 Well, yeah, did you think Did you did you think I was like faking me reading these listicles just now and like talking to the ai about what I should use? 00:39:43.260 --> 00:39:48.940 Oh interesting He's like so so that was that's the thing is to the greatest degree that I can 00:39:49.500 --> 00:39:54.140 My goal is to go into this kind of I'm experiencing something 00:39:54.780 --> 00:40:00.380 Relatively fresh like I've used Linux before but it was years ago and not much and and not that much 00:40:00.380 --> 00:40:06.620 I used it for a little while and then I didn't really use it anymore And so I'm I'm doing what I do where I go in and I go, okay 00:40:07.340 --> 00:40:10.940 How would I do this? So I started with like boomer 00:40:11.980 --> 00:40:17.900 A best Linux distro for gaming and so I got listicles again and to their credit 00:40:18.620 --> 00:40:21.900 I think they were a little better than last time really that's actually 00:40:22.620 --> 00:40:28.140 A little surprising to me. Except they're different at all except except hear me out wait for it 00:40:29.020 --> 00:40:33.260 I followed up by being a non-boomer and typing it into an LLM 00:40:34.140 --> 00:40:36.460 Which might explain why the listicles are better now 00:40:37.980 --> 00:40:45.900 Oh Yeah, and to be clear. I'm not saying I'm not saying that any of the listicles that I read happened to be 00:40:46.540 --> 00:40:49.500 LLM written or or aided 00:40:50.300 --> 00:40:55.900 I'm just saying it's not impossible But maybe and and at this point in this current state of the internet you actually don't 00:40:56.540 --> 00:41:04.060 You can never really know because Even if they got that information by reading somewhere else that other thing might have been assisted 00:41:04.300 --> 00:41:09.820 It's a whole snake eating its tail situation that we've got going on here. So so I started with 00:41:10.300 --> 00:41:15.260 Googling listicles like a boomer and then followed up with asking an AI 00:41:15.900 --> 00:41:20.060 and once again the overwhelming top recommendation was 00:41:21.180 --> 00:41:24.300 Come online is give popo s another shot 00:41:24.700 --> 00:41:29.100 So I popped over to their website 00:41:29.500 --> 00:41:31.900 downloaded the iso and it was off to the 00:41:33.500 --> 00:41:35.660 Stumbling not quite racist. Yeah 00:41:36.860 --> 00:41:39.980 Exactly off to the right now now in fairness the first issue 00:41:39.980 --> 00:41:45.580 I had was that the m.2 SSD that I've had sitting in my tech sack for the better part of two years is dead 00:41:46.220 --> 00:41:50.940 Oh can't blame popo s for that. No, no, that's that's on me not putting it in an est bag 00:41:51.980 --> 00:41:57.020 um Oh, just raw. Yep. It was just it was in there. It was in there. Um 00:41:58.940 --> 00:42:04.620 I got it installed once I figured that out and I used a different SSD then everything was totally fine. No, just kidding 00:42:05.100 --> 00:42:10.860 um Everything got pretty messed up. So I've got I've got a few little clips 00:42:11.420 --> 00:42:14.220 That I would I would love for loop to see 00:42:14.940 --> 00:42:20.860 While we're here on the windshow, um, I actually I cheated a little bit and I showed him one of these earlier 00:42:21.660 --> 00:42:26.620 Things were going really great world. I managed to find the store almost immediately 00:42:27.100 --> 00:42:29.980 I managed to download steam and discord basically 00:42:30.940 --> 00:42:37.180 as If anything more easily than if I was on Windows or if I was on macOS 00:42:37.580 --> 00:42:41.340 um like Windows in particular you can use the microsoft store, but like 00:42:43.180 --> 00:42:47.260 How is it microsoft that after you force me 00:42:48.220 --> 00:42:52.860 To sign in with an account when I When I install Windows 00:42:53.020 --> 00:42:56.380 How is it that I then have to sign into that account? 00:42:57.020 --> 00:43:02.620 again When I open my browser and I go to my microsoft email 00:43:03.100 --> 00:43:07.900 Why do I have to do it again when I want to play minecraft with my kids? 00:43:08.540 --> 00:43:13.660 Why do I have to do it again? Why do I have to do it over and over and over again? 00:43:13.740 --> 00:43:17.580 I think playing minecraft takes three if I remember correctly because the website 00:43:18.220 --> 00:43:24.780 And then the like launcher, but then you also have to do the like the xbox store microsoft store or whatever. Yeah, it's crazy 00:43:25.260 --> 00:43:30.780 wild like Like system system wide like user accounts have been a thing 00:43:32.700 --> 00:43:35.900 For how long how long has it been since 00:43:36.780 --> 00:43:43.180 Since you just have signed in to your google account one. Yeah, like very long time very very long time very long time 00:43:44.300 --> 00:43:48.380 um So so that was really easy That was awesome 00:43:48.380 --> 00:43:53.580 And then I like downloaded a game and it like came down pretty fast and and then and then 00:43:54.140 --> 00:44:00.540 And then things started to get a little weird and I ended up having I ended up actually bailing 00:44:01.020 --> 00:44:05.740 On Linux on the first night because I had seven people waiting in a lobby for me 00:44:06.380 --> 00:44:12.300 To play left for dead 2 on top of all the people who wanted to spectate the game who were watching on discord 00:44:12.300 --> 00:44:17.740 Which is like another 10 something like that how many people were spectating probably around there that sounds about right 00:44:17.900 --> 00:44:23.900 so I had all these people waiting for me and This is what would happen when I would try to play the game 00:44:24.060 --> 00:44:27.020 And it is wild to start this challenge at a land 00:44:27.340 --> 00:44:29.900 But if it was Windows that he jumped in with 00:44:30.540 --> 00:44:34.700 This this would have worked off rip. Yeah, well, yeah, so we have to be like 00:44:35.420 --> 00:44:39.020 You know fair about that. It's wild to start it at a land, but also 00:44:39.580 --> 00:44:44.780 I I tried to throw a softball. I've seen I've seen I've seen a few Windows installs at lands 00:44:45.580 --> 00:44:51.660 It's it's definitely happened Um, I tried to oh do I actually have a clip of left for dead 2 crashing 00:44:51.820 --> 00:44:56.780 So I tried to throw a softball by by choosing a game that I assumed 00:44:57.180 --> 00:45:02.300 And this is not a crazy assumption that I assumed would be well supported on Linux 00:45:02.620 --> 00:45:05.340 Honestly, I think that's not only a crazy assumption 00:45:06.300 --> 00:45:11.180 I thought that by playing this game we were actually giving it an advantage 00:45:11.660 --> 00:45:17.020 I thought I was basically hacking for steam to choose a first party valve game 00:45:17.420 --> 00:45:21.980 As my because because the wind condition for the first episode of Linux challenge is always 00:45:22.700 --> 00:45:26.380 Play a game, right? Would you like to play a game? 00:45:26.380 --> 00:45:31.820 I honestly forgot that but I'm happy that I I did launch a game technically in the videos that I recorded 00:45:32.060 --> 00:45:36.620 Since then I have launched more games So it's fine, but yeah, I did I did launch a game 00:45:36.700 --> 00:45:44.780 So I ran into a situation where it totally worked in lobby, but then within about 30 seconds of being in the game it would just 00:45:46.460 --> 00:45:53.020 Like a hard break. Yeah, like a hard hard lock up or or just hard hard crash the game 00:45:53.580 --> 00:45:57.500 And I didn't throw an error or anything. I don't I don't I'm not the first time. Yeah, okay 00:45:57.900 --> 00:46:04.140 Um, and then the second I can't remember right There's a lot of footage in here because I was expecting this to just be like a quick thing 00:46:04.140 --> 00:46:07.980 Like I quickly install and then I'm and then I'm playing left for dead too 00:46:08.060 --> 00:46:11.420 I just I didn't think it'd be that big of a deal and and for reference just before you keep going 00:46:11.660 --> 00:46:17.340 Someone said that apparently I did a Windows install at ltx 2023. That doesn't surprise me. I don't remember that but it doesn't surprise me either 00:46:17.660 --> 00:46:22.540 Um frosty kuyger said some guy said he bought a fresh laptop for whale land on the way there 00:46:22.780 --> 00:46:27.100 So that like this is people have fresh Windows at lands. It happens for sure 00:46:28.060 --> 00:46:31.500 All right, here's me playing through around once I fixed it 00:46:32.140 --> 00:46:36.540 Okay, hold on. I think I've got I think I've got the uh, I think I've got the error. So yeah, this is wild 00:46:36.940 --> 00:46:40.620 Here we go. I I I actually get into a game here 00:46:41.900 --> 00:46:46.460 I move around my mouse a little bit everything's running. It's running at like 300 frames per second 00:46:47.340 --> 00:46:54.700 and I'm Give it like another give it like another probably 10 to 15 seconds 00:46:55.100 --> 00:46:59.660 I think I get to the bottom of the stairwell on the first map of the um 00:47:00.940 --> 00:47:06.620 Which one which one is this again? What's the finale the mall dead center? Sure. Yeah, I don't know any map names 00:47:07.740 --> 00:47:13.900 and Booth gone hard just disappears hard cut to hard cut to desktop application gone 00:47:14.140 --> 00:47:17.340 And what's really frustrating is if you go on proton db 00:47:17.980 --> 00:47:25.580 You find all these people it says native It says native and the first when I looked at it like the first two or three were like 00:47:26.380 --> 00:47:32.460 Perfect, and I even scrolled down and the first one on popos was like perfect. Excellent. Perfect 00:47:33.260 --> 00:47:37.340 Now when you start reading more of them you go. Oh, well, hold on a second 00:47:37.420 --> 00:47:42.380 People have all kinds of problems with this here. There was a really funny one. Can you go down a little bit? 00:47:42.940 --> 00:47:45.900 Go down go down go down go down. There's one that says 00:47:46.700 --> 00:47:54.060 Hold on. Is this it? Oh, here it is steps works perfectly out of the box tinker steps switch to experimental so oh no 00:47:54.060 --> 00:47:59.180 This wasn't it. There's one that said no tinker steps and then also said tinker steps. Oh, yeah. No. No. This is the one 00:47:59.340 --> 00:48:04.220 Yeah, this is it. So literally what this person says is works perfectly out of the box 00:48:05.100 --> 00:48:11.980 Right, and then the body here is tinker steps switch to experimental set this launch option 00:48:12.620 --> 00:48:20.380 Then then they say the game ran perfectly for me without any major issues. No tinkering done whatsoever 00:48:23.420 --> 00:48:27.580 This Is where I end up 00:48:27.580 --> 00:48:30.460 feeling like I'm put in a really uncomfortable position 00:48:31.660 --> 00:48:36.700 because When you are engaging with this level of delusion 00:48:37.420 --> 00:48:42.540 I feel like I feel like I'm I feel like I'm made to be the bad guy here 00:48:43.100 --> 00:48:47.100 Like you've got this you've got this stance that's so far out of reality 00:48:47.820 --> 00:48:52.860 That you feel like a bad guy. You almost feel like it's I almost feel like I'm being gaslit 00:48:53.420 --> 00:49:02.060 like I feel like the like Like I'm the one who's who's a complete idiot because you know, it didn't work perfectly for me 00:49:02.060 --> 00:49:05.740 And I didn't know that putting it in experimental mode and having a launch argument 00:49:06.380 --> 00:49:09.900 Was no tinkering. Yeah, I don't know like where their line is 00:49:09.980 --> 00:49:14.540 But in in my opinion if you want to if you want a year of the Linux desktop 00:49:14.620 --> 00:49:19.980 You know, like if you want if you want to go that hard and you want to call it a native game 00:49:22.300 --> 00:49:24.620 You should be able to click play and steam it should just work 00:49:25.660 --> 00:49:31.180 Because that's the experience that people are going to have on Windows, right? Well, that's I mean except when they don't and that's really 00:49:31.660 --> 00:49:36.940 Really important to acknowledge in all this because I'll come in and I'll I'll say something critical about 00:49:37.580 --> 00:49:41.660 Linux or people will feel like I'm saying something critical about Linux because I'll say something like 00:49:42.140 --> 00:49:45.340 I launched Left 4 Dead 2 and within about 30 to 60 seconds 00:49:45.340 --> 00:49:49.180 It would crash every single time I launched it and they'll be like that's a personal attack 00:49:49.420 --> 00:49:53.260 It's like that's a personal attack on them. They're like, well, what about all the issues on Windows? 00:49:53.260 --> 00:49:56.060 I'm like, whoa, bro. We're not talking about Windows. Yeah. Yeah fair. Yeah 00:49:56.700 --> 00:50:03.020 Nobody brought up Windows and I'm happy to criticize Windows You want to watch me criticize Windows? Do you want to do a Windows criticism land show? 00:50:03.580 --> 00:50:08.460 I'm sure you're down. Yeah. He's look how down he is. Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna chime into this one 00:50:08.700 --> 00:50:12.940 We got to include teams. Look how happy he is right now. We gotta include teams 00:50:13.180 --> 00:50:15.740 But sometimes that's not what we're talking about Microsoft 00:50:16.540 --> 00:50:19.340 Like I man was it on the I camera. Yeah, it was on the forum 00:50:19.580 --> 00:50:25.660 It was on LTT forum that uh, elijah did that video recently where he switched to iphone and someone's like 00:50:26.060 --> 00:50:30.220 Well, you're talking a lot about the issues switching from Android to iOS 00:50:30.220 --> 00:50:35.420 But you're not talking about all the issues going from iOS to Android. It's it's so bad 00:50:35.980 --> 00:50:40.940 Like you're right. We're not talking about that. Let's know what's happening because guess what elijah didn't switch from an iphone to Android 00:50:40.940 --> 00:50:45.020 That's not what that's not what he's fucking doing. Not every video can be about everything 00:50:45.260 --> 00:50:50.700 So this isn't about this isn't about attacks, but it's about me being put in this position 00:50:50.940 --> 00:50:55.340 Where I feel like I have to I have to like 00:50:55.900 --> 00:51:05.020 Yvonne always uses like a pendulum analogy When we're talking about like like positions in an argument or we're talking about some kind of conflict where 00:51:05.980 --> 00:51:08.540 Where she'll talk about how sometimes she feels like 00:51:09.020 --> 00:51:11.820 Because someone else's position is so extreme 00:51:12.460 --> 00:51:15.500 Even though the truth lies here with the pendulum at rest 00:51:16.220 --> 00:51:18.940 She almost is forced to take this position 00:51:19.660 --> 00:51:23.820 To try to achieve that to bring us back to very common in politics. Yeah, yeah 00:51:24.540 --> 00:51:29.740 And so when I'm up against this is perfect and you're crazy for not recognizing it 00:51:30.060 --> 00:51:35.180 It's like, whoa, it can have some flaws Windows has a lot of flaws. Oh, yeah, it's okay 00:51:35.420 --> 00:51:38.220 Oh, so many so something that I find interesting about this is 00:51:39.020 --> 00:51:45.340 Steam deck Is used by a lot of normies. Yeah, and this is steam deck verified 00:51:46.060 --> 00:51:53.100 Would you need to make like is it different? Would you need to make changes on steam deck or would have it had would it have had the same problem? 00:51:53.180 --> 00:51:59.100 That's a good question And genuinely don't know and if valve is implementing. So do you know what the fix was? 00:52:00.220 --> 00:52:04.460 So the fix ended up being that I had to force vulcan 00:52:05.820 --> 00:52:09.340 Which is a pretty reasonable Linux gaming fix 00:52:10.140 --> 00:52:14.540 Except that and this is again one of those like how is this a thing, right? 00:52:14.620 --> 00:52:18.620 This is a first party valve game. They literally make a Linux distro 00:52:19.500 --> 00:52:22.700 Is not even available in the in-game menu 00:52:23.820 --> 00:52:26.620 You have to use a launch argument for it. Yeah 00:52:27.900 --> 00:52:32.140 So I so I typed in a thing I switched over to vulcan and then lo and behold 00:52:32.220 --> 00:52:34.540 I've got a clip here of me gaming for 00:52:35.260 --> 00:52:39.900 I think over yeah over five continuous minutes and it just completely working 00:52:41.020 --> 00:52:45.020 Bang bang bang kill all the zombies running at 300 FPS. Yeah 00:52:45.900 --> 00:52:53.180 um But that's not what buddy said buddy said no tinkering and also his fix was different from mine 00:52:55.500 --> 00:52:59.500 Someone at Floatplane chat said Yes, steam deck is very beginner friendly 00:52:59.580 --> 00:53:06.540 But Linux keeps picking non beginner friendly distros as far as my understanding goes popo s is widely known as a fairly beginner friendly distro 00:53:06.620 --> 00:53:13.420 That's literally why people keep recommending it. It's also friendly for people who are on NVIDIA graphics 00:53:14.220 --> 00:53:16.780 Which and I had someone ask this in the chat just now 00:53:17.500 --> 00:53:24.060 Which I wasn't But what I wanted was to use the same distro across my multiple systems 00:53:24.860 --> 00:53:27.660 Okay, my main desktop at home is radion 00:53:28.380 --> 00:53:32.860 My laptop which is what you had the land my daily driver is radion. Yeah, uh, sorry 00:53:32.940 --> 00:53:36.380 I had my main desktop not the laptop I kind of gestured over here and you kind of pointed this direction 00:53:36.380 --> 00:53:39.580 It kind of seemed like it was I had my desktop at the land. I also had this 00:53:40.300 --> 00:53:46.780 So my my main desktop and my laptop are both radion But my my downstairs gaming machine is g-force 00:53:47.260 --> 00:53:51.420 And so is the one in the theater room, which is where I've actually been doing more of my gaming 00:53:51.740 --> 00:53:56.220 And so what I really wanted and that's one of the special sauce things with popo s is that it's 00:53:56.780 --> 00:53:59.740 Out of the box g-force ready. Yeah, and so 00:54:01.260 --> 00:54:07.740 So Yes, I I I I I did pick a distro because I wanted it to be more like 00:54:08.300 --> 00:54:13.020 Non-Linux hardware optimized friendly, but that wasn't what I was using 00:54:13.100 --> 00:54:19.740 I was using the radion build and I I installed it onto a Ryzen radion all AMD all the time system 00:54:19.740 --> 00:54:24.620 So there should have been no real challenge there But the challenge is just 00:54:25.260 --> 00:54:30.620 Kept on coming I showed Luke another clip earlier, so I don't have to show it to him now 00:54:31.020 --> 00:54:34.460 We're in hell divers too. Oh, so that's the second game that I tried to play 00:54:35.180 --> 00:54:37.740 He sees the character moving around on screen. It's running at 00:54:38.220 --> 00:54:43.100 I don't know I didn't I didn't install Windows on a separate partition and then benchmarked them back and forth so pretty solid though 00:54:43.100 --> 00:54:45.180 Yeah, it was smooth. Yeah, it was smooth. It felt good 00:54:46.380 --> 00:54:50.620 And then and then I scrolled down and you can see my mouse hand going like this 00:54:51.580 --> 00:54:54.860 And I go back up and you can see that the mouse look is not working at all 00:54:55.660 --> 00:55:00.860 What I never showed Luke is some of the troubleshooting steps that I went through to try to resolve that 00:55:01.420 --> 00:55:04.620 so I tried rebinding mouse look and 00:55:05.500 --> 00:55:09.740 If I bound look up to instead of mouse movement to like left click 00:55:10.300 --> 00:55:14.300 I could totally look up Okay, so it was capturing the mouse 00:55:14.380 --> 00:55:19.820 So it was perfectly capable of getting something from my mouse. My mouse was definitely working 00:55:20.060 --> 00:55:22.940 Yeah, it was perfectly capable of tilting the camera up 00:55:24.060 --> 00:55:27.740 But the actual mouse movement was not being registered 00:55:28.460 --> 00:55:34.140 My controller worked perfectly though. So this was for gaming with the vip's with the whales 00:55:35.180 --> 00:55:40.700 And so I was like Well, I guess I'm gaming on a controller. I can do that at least. Yeah. All right, man 00:55:40.700 --> 00:55:47.580 I hate shooters on a controller, but yeah, it is what it is Also, did I did I point out to you the weird border on the top and the left? Did you see that? 00:55:48.460 --> 00:55:54.940 Oh The weird like two pixel wide white border. Yeah. Yeah, I I never figured that one out. That's just top and left 00:55:54.940 --> 00:56:03.580 Yeah, just top and left strange The most fun one though is the one that I'm going to show to you guys and that's this issue where my uh, here 00:56:03.580 --> 00:56:05.580 Maybe I'll maybe I'll send this over to oh 00:56:07.100 --> 00:56:10.700 Uh producer Dan is gone. So we're going to do this the super janky way 00:56:11.340 --> 00:56:13.340 Okay, nice 00:56:14.780 --> 00:56:17.900 Do you want me to switch cameras? Oh, no, you're just gonna do the front one. Okay 00:56:27.020 --> 00:56:32.780 It's it's pretty wild I still don't I don't know how you would even make this happen because 00:56:33.340 --> 00:56:37.820 It's not only that there's three Windows open, which I don't even know. Maybe you can do that in steam. Maybe you can't 00:56:38.620 --> 00:56:44.380 But it's also that they're all Do they're all doing the inputs, but they're not showing the menus 00:56:44.700 --> 00:56:49.180 So like only the one that he's actively selected on shows the menu, but when he scrolls, they all scroll 00:56:49.900 --> 00:56:56.140 It's so strange. Did you see that though? Yeah, so this part, you know, they're not going to be able to hear you but um 00:56:56.780 --> 00:56:58.780 As he moves his mouse over to the other window 00:56:59.820 --> 00:57:03.020 It's still navigating in the previous one. It's a little hard to see 00:57:03.820 --> 00:57:08.780 but like man, it's it's It's it's strange 00:57:09.020 --> 00:57:14.060 It's uh, it's very weird. We can still hear him. Oh my bad. Sorry. I didn't think you'd be able to yell out enough 00:57:14.060 --> 00:57:16.860 They kind of can I guess Dan's mic is there too. Um 00:57:17.820 --> 00:57:21.900 So I've never seen that before that was weird never seen that before either 00:57:22.300 --> 00:57:26.380 And like, you know, you can you can in a lot of different things you can make multiple versions of it come up 00:57:26.780 --> 00:57:31.580 Um, but usually they don't all mirror the inputs and stuff steam. It shouldn't be 00:57:32.540 --> 00:57:38.220 Yeah, I've never can you open multiple instances? I've never wanted to I've never tried never looked into it 00:57:39.100 --> 00:57:41.820 Uh, but like you can with no, okay 00:57:42.220 --> 00:57:51.180 You can with a decent amount of other things And so I'm gonna have a lot of people as often happens whenever I say anything critical of Linux 00:57:51.660 --> 00:57:55.980 I'm gonna have a lot of people coming at me for this assuming that I did something 00:57:56.700 --> 00:58:02.860 Something egregiously wrong. So and I'm not I'm not saying anything. What led up to go ahead. Do it 00:58:03.500 --> 00:58:05.660 Do it pre-show viewers will get it 00:58:06.620 --> 00:58:11.580 Do it. Do it. Do you count it? What led up to that? I'm like shia. I'm gonna run away from the press. I mean 00:58:13.660 --> 00:58:18.780 Just just what what I know. I'm not saying anything. What steps led up to that like nothing 00:58:18.940 --> 00:58:22.700 So you just launched the computer and it was just there or did you come out of a game or like, uh 00:58:23.500 --> 00:58:29.900 Oh, it's hard to say So what would I have been doing at this point? I was playing hell divers 00:58:30.940 --> 00:58:35.580 So I would have been so you're in the game and then you I assume you close the game and then it's doing 00:58:35.660 --> 00:58:39.340 Yeah, and then I I oh shoot. Okay. Don't quote me on this 00:58:39.340 --> 00:58:44.540 But I think it was when I like re maximize it or something like that. I'd like get to somehow 00:58:45.420 --> 00:58:49.980 I really don't remember maximize the steam window. Yeah, because like if you minimize it, um 00:58:50.700 --> 00:58:57.420 It goes you're saying you can have multiple Windows of steam open But I'm not too surprised also wasn't multiple Windows. No and and to do that 00:58:57.580 --> 00:59:02.380 I'm assuming you'd have to like launch launch argument the like executable or whatever 00:59:02.540 --> 00:59:07.500 I'd probably have to do something. Yeah, because steam does not behave like that normally 00:59:07.580 --> 00:59:12.380 I've never I don't know steams on here, but I've never literally never had multiple Windows of steam open 00:59:12.540 --> 00:59:16.300 I don't know. This is one of those dude. This is one of those things where it's just like 00:59:17.420 --> 00:59:19.420 um 00:59:20.940 --> 00:59:27.180 Don't blame don't blame blanket Linux blame pop o s or yourself and it's like 00:59:28.860 --> 00:59:34.060 Unfortunately, this is one of the challenges that Linux has with wide adoption 00:59:34.540 --> 00:59:38.940 Is that and and oh man It's it's both the most beautiful 00:59:39.580 --> 00:59:47.340 Incredible thing about open source and it's also the biggest problem that it has to overcome is that you can find 00:59:47.740 --> 00:59:50.700 You can find a flavor for for anything 00:59:51.020 --> 00:59:55.900 Like was it you that I was talking to when I said something like you could have a you could have a distro of Linux 00:59:55.980 --> 00:59:57.180 That's for like 01:00:01.020 --> 01:00:04.620 I think I was talking to someone else and they were like really and I was like 01:00:05.180 --> 01:00:09.020 I was like no and they're like, oh, yeah, that makes sense. That would be stupid 01:00:09.100 --> 01:00:14.540 But like the fact that I believed you I think that might have been me actually. Yeah, maybe that was you is is so 01:00:15.420 --> 01:00:21.980 So emblematic of the problem there's so much fragmentation and like one of the one of the things is you can say 01:00:24.700 --> 01:00:28.780 People know it as Linux Even that in itself is flawed 01:00:29.500 --> 01:00:37.180 Yeah, very so like so like even even that statement alone has problems. It has huge problems Linux is Linux is the kernel 01:00:37.420 --> 01:00:46.540 Yeah, right So so to assume that people are gonna always pop prop exactly properly address the thing that might be causing the issue is like 01:00:47.580 --> 01:00:55.340 Obviously a fallacy that that is not going to happen So people are going to just blanket call it Linux because they've been blanket calling the whole thing Linux for a long time 01:00:56.220 --> 01:01:01.820 Um Grelwing says dmo s is not intended to be a wide release. It's an os for boutique hardware 01:01:02.700 --> 01:01:11.340 Not actually true Val well at least not originally true when valve announced steam os and the steam deck 01:01:11.740 --> 01:01:15.100 They announced their intention at some point to make steam os 01:01:15.660 --> 01:01:19.900 An os that you could you could download and install on your own hardware. In fact, you can do it today 01:01:20.380 --> 01:01:24.940 It just has to be on kind of specific hardware Which is the reason that I ultimately didn't use it 01:01:25.340 --> 01:01:29.740 Because I do have systems that are NVIDIA and you wanted the same thing across all of them 01:01:29.820 --> 01:01:35.180 And I I wanted to choose something that somebody with NVIDIA hardware might choose for 01:01:35.820 --> 01:01:39.740 Ease of use especially because my plan is to install it across multiple systems 01:01:39.740 --> 01:01:43.900 Which I haven't actually done yet because it's been such a pain in the 01:01:44.940 --> 01:01:46.940 But um 01:01:49.580 --> 01:01:52.780 Yeah, so let's see what else I don't actually know if there's 01:01:53.660 --> 01:01:59.900 Anything else in here? Here's the here's the weird steam interface bug, but just two Windows this time 01:02:00.140 --> 01:02:04.300 This was the first time I encountered it. So I actually encountered this multiple times 01:02:05.340 --> 01:02:07.980 Which is pretty wild. I can interact with both of them 01:02:08.540 --> 01:02:12.860 But if I mouse over one of them it like is interacting with the other one 01:02:12.860 --> 01:02:17.260 Yeah, because like if if it was just properly two instances of steam that shouldn't be happening 01:02:17.260 --> 01:02:21.340 So what what he's showing is two completely different Windows in two completely different areas 01:02:21.660 --> 01:02:25.660 He moves his mouse on one moving my mouse here it interacts with the other one. Yeah 01:02:28.780 --> 01:02:34.620 So my mouse cursor's over here and then you can see the menus on the window on the right actually moving 01:02:35.900 --> 01:02:40.780 And in this one it was more bugged because the whole interface is just gone. It's just a black box 01:02:42.380 --> 01:02:45.340 Yeah, that is weird. You can kind of see it like faintly in the background 01:02:45.980 --> 01:02:51.900 Someone said did luka with mint? No Um, I decided to mix it up. I I still really like mint 01:02:52.380 --> 01:02:57.180 I actually genuinely thought like, you know, maybe I should go back to like all faithful 01:02:57.420 --> 01:03:00.460 I don't really actually use Linux all that much, but 01:03:02.060 --> 01:03:05.340 That tends to be the one that I go to when I when I do use Linux 01:03:05.820 --> 01:03:10.860 But I had been running this it's not currently sold on my laptop because we're trying to figure out a hardware problem 01:03:10.940 --> 01:03:15.020 And they they didn't believe in Linux. So we have Windows running on it right now, but 01:03:15.260 --> 01:03:22.060 Um, I had been running just arch on my laptop for a long time to try to prove like look if you're not doing much 01:03:22.380 --> 01:03:29.580 On your system You can kind of run whatever and my entire use case for my work laptop is basically in a browser 01:03:29.660 --> 01:03:34.220 So I was like, it's not going to matter and Yeah, it didn't really matter. Um 01:03:34.380 --> 01:03:39.980 So it and and my my basically point there was like I'm not interacting with the operating system basically ever 01:03:40.060 --> 01:03:43.260 Like I don't I didn't do anything very interesting with arch 01:03:43.820 --> 01:03:49.580 Um, I was I'm just running two browsers firefox and chrome. That's it on arch by the way 01:03:49.820 --> 01:03:53.100 so like So that was that was why I did that on my laptop 01:03:53.340 --> 01:04:00.780 So I thought maybe I would try to extend that idea into the desktop space, but I didn't want to just use arch again 01:04:01.260 --> 01:04:07.260 Um, so I went with cashy os and that's not the only reason so cashy os is built on built on arch 01:04:07.580 --> 01:04:11.500 But that's not the only reason the other reason why I did it was because steam os 01:04:12.380 --> 01:04:15.500 Is built on arch. Yep So I was like, okay 01:04:15.500 --> 01:04:20.620 What's a what's a like gamer version of arch because I'm gonna want this on my desktop 01:04:20.620 --> 01:04:23.900 I'm gonna play games here. I'm gonna do other stuff here. I don't want to just 01:04:24.540 --> 01:04:27.740 Run arch like I did on my laptop because I'm actually gonna do more with it 01:04:27.740 --> 01:04:33.020 The point isn't the same now right the point with the laptop was it doesn't really matter if all you're doing is a browser 01:04:33.100 --> 01:04:39.500 And that's the beauty of Linux horses for courses. You can choose a different distro depending on what exactly it is that you're trying to accomplish 01:04:39.580 --> 01:04:43.180 So now I'm trying to accomplish more. I'm trying to do more gaming stuff cash us 01:04:43.900 --> 01:04:50.140 Their tagline is a performance focused arch Linux distribution that rebuilds packages with modern CPU optimizations 01:04:50.940 --> 01:04:54.460 I don't know. I heard it's good for gaming and it's arch and 01:04:55.260 --> 01:05:02.620 By the way, I did that on my laptop And uh and steam os is built in it. So I was like hoping, you know, maybe some kind 01:05:02.780 --> 01:05:05.900 I don't know. Maybe things will work better through steam there. I have no idea 01:05:06.140 --> 01:05:10.780 I didn't do a lot of research like this is the more gamery version of the thing. I've been using lately 01:05:10.780 --> 01:05:14.860 I'll just do that super trendy. It is very trendy right now. Yeah, like it 01:05:15.900 --> 01:05:22.300 Maybe yeah, maybe a third reason It's super trendy right now. Yeah is actually one of the reasons why I chose it. So so 01:05:23.340 --> 01:05:26.380 Same core as steam os it's super trendy right now 01:05:26.620 --> 01:05:30.780 And it's based on the thing that i'm using on my on my laptop anyways, so there's some familiarity 01:05:30.940 --> 01:05:37.180 So i'm gonna jump in and go the hyper trendiness of it is actually the one of the reasons I didn't choose it 01:05:37.500 --> 01:05:41.340 Fair enough because this kind of like flavor of the week 01:05:41.900 --> 01:05:45.580 Oh, yeah, it's weird people have mostly forgotten about bazzite already 01:05:46.460 --> 01:05:50.060 That's crazy That's wild to me 01:05:50.060 --> 01:05:56.380 That's not the kind of thing that I like to lock myself into like whenever we whenever we do any kind of 01:05:56.940 --> 01:06:01.420 Actual benchmarking or performance testing anytime anyone talks to me. I'm like ubuntu 01:06:02.540 --> 01:06:08.540 Because It's just it's just there, you know, it might not have the sex appeal 01:06:09.500 --> 01:06:14.380 But it's there. It's been there. It's been there for us. It's it's it's it's the it's the 01:06:15.100 --> 01:06:17.660 If you want to look at if you want to zoom way out 01:06:18.380 --> 01:06:23.580 Over time, it's the consumer Linux distro. It's been there for everybody. Everybody knows but 01:06:23.740 --> 01:06:27.740 A bunch of people are saying like oh bazzite still cool. We're not trying to say bazzite isn't cool 01:06:27.980 --> 01:06:31.580 What we're trying to say was to be personally attacked here roughly six months ago 01:06:31.820 --> 01:06:35.420 If you discussed Linux at all and didn't say bazzite every second word 01:06:36.460 --> 01:06:40.220 You would get screamed at and that is already no longer true 01:06:40.700 --> 01:06:43.260 And now a lot of people are saying kashi kashi kashi 01:06:43.820 --> 01:06:49.660 That's not that's definitely the third out of the reasons that I had but I did I was interested in checking it out 01:06:50.540 --> 01:06:55.500 And I will say for the more involved experience because again, I didn't get this on my laptop 01:06:56.060 --> 01:07:04.220 There are things I miss about mint Kashi's cool. It's been fine. I haven't really had any problems. Nice. Good for you. Happy for you 01:07:04.940 --> 01:07:08.460 I there are things that I'm still planning on doing that. I suspect might cause some problems 01:07:08.460 --> 01:07:13.420 So we'll see how that goes, but I'm only I started after you. I'm only a few days into this right 01:07:13.580 --> 01:07:18.940 I am pretty fresh and I haven't done a ton on it. So we'll see how it goes didn't take me doing a ton 01:07:19.900 --> 01:07:24.060 All I had to do was launch a first party valve game in steam 01:07:26.060 --> 01:07:29.180 Oh, yeah, I didn't even talk about those audio issues. I had in discord 01:07:30.380 --> 01:07:36.460 Oh, yeah, everyone's audio was so quiet. I could barely hear them. Did you ever fix that reboot? Just sort of magically 01:07:37.420 --> 01:07:40.860 I did have some weird. There's a there's one of the recordings that I sent in. Yeah 01:07:41.580 --> 01:07:45.500 After I played it back. I didn't know this while I was recording it, but after I played it back 01:07:45.740 --> 01:07:51.340 It's like a little laggy That was happening in when I was like watching videos and a couple other things as well 01:07:52.540 --> 01:07:56.860 I noticed it when I was watching a youtube video that the youtube video would hitch every once in a blue moon 01:07:57.420 --> 01:08:01.900 I hadn't restarted the system literally once yet. I wonder if it's like a hardware acceleration issue or something 01:08:02.060 --> 01:08:08.140 No idea restarted the system one time problem in a way and I had done that recording before the system restart 01:08:08.460 --> 01:08:13.580 So I you know one restart after doing some updates and stuff. Sure not a big deal 01:08:13.660 --> 01:08:22.540 Yeah, but that's that's the only thing I've really ran into so far But like I don't love the like package manager. You mentioned how like oh, I found the pop away a store pretty quick 01:08:22.620 --> 01:08:27.100 Yeah, it was just the bottom left icon. It was like right there. The name was like 01:08:29.180 --> 01:08:33.100 It's like they were trying to not call it app store. They were they were so 01:08:33.820 --> 01:08:36.060 Desperately trying to call it anything but app store 01:08:36.940 --> 01:08:41.660 So that they wouldn't have to call it app store that they ended up with a name that just I forget what it is 01:08:41.660 --> 01:08:43.660 But it just like was not that obvious to me 01:08:44.700 --> 01:08:50.460 Uh, but yeah, it's so like I'm probably gonna go get an alternative store at some point because like I don't love the default one 01:08:50.700 --> 01:08:56.780 It works Um, there's been a decent amount of things I've I've looked for that weren't there. No, it's called pop. Hold on. Hold on 01:08:57.020 --> 01:09:02.140 Jumping it's called pop shop, which is a perfectly reasonable name. Okay. When I when I mouse over it 01:09:02.140 --> 01:09:05.340 It seems pretty it was called something it was called. I swear it was called something else 01:09:05.340 --> 01:09:08.860 It was not called pop shop. I have no idea charge. Simply. I says it's not an app store 01:09:09.740 --> 01:09:13.900 I know but sometimes we use words for things like atm machine 01:09:14.700 --> 01:09:17.900 It's not an atm machine because the machine is the m and the b 01:09:18.060 --> 01:09:23.740 Yeah, but like sometimes we just say things so that people understand what they are and what their function is and by the way 01:09:23.740 --> 01:09:27.900 There's a bunch of people spamming me right now use this thing use that thing. I'm sorry. I'm not gonna listen 01:09:28.220 --> 01:09:31.500 Uh, I'm I'm just gonna do stuff and we'll see how it works 01:09:31.820 --> 01:09:37.660 Um, if I run into a problem, I'll google it. I'll I'll look it up in some other way. I'll I'll consult the sands 01:09:37.740 --> 01:09:43.420 I'll do whatever But I don't want to go based on like chat recommendations because that doesn't seem like a normal 01:09:43.900 --> 01:09:48.540 Um experience that someone would have so I'm I'm literally just gonna brain dump everything you guys tell me 01:09:48.940 --> 01:09:52.540 Um now like yeah, if I read something on a form or whatever I'll take information from there 01:09:52.540 --> 01:09:58.140 But I don't want to use it on alternate route. I'm also not having problems really. I just don't love it 01:09:59.660 --> 01:10:05.820 It doesn't seem great like the package manager, but I can get a new one. Uh, not a problem. I'm not too worried about it 01:10:06.380 --> 01:10:13.820 Um Yeah other than that like no major no major issues. I felt mint was very comfy for me 01:10:15.340 --> 01:10:18.780 And I am now I would say 01:10:19.660 --> 01:10:26.060 Slightly outside of the comfort zone desktop environment that I really didn't stretch for I just went with cinnamon 01:10:26.140 --> 01:10:30.380 Which is the one that I'm most used to Um, I did also install 01:10:31.100 --> 01:10:37.100 um hyperland Just in case I want to go have fun, but I'm very used to cinnamon 01:10:37.900 --> 01:10:40.220 And I'm happy to be with it 01:10:41.340 --> 01:10:46.940 So I said go with budgie. I saw that because the name I thought it might be fun, but yeah, we can use cinnamon with arch 01:10:47.020 --> 01:10:53.100 Yeah, yeah, I have cinnamon installed on on both laptop and desktop. I think good luck re hyperland 01:10:53.180 --> 01:10:55.500 Yeah, that's the reason why I didn't only install hyperland 01:10:57.580 --> 01:11:00.140 I don't know that I'll ever touch hyperland. Um 01:11:01.100 --> 01:11:08.460 I I might I might just literally not get to it apparently it's called the cosmic cosmic store. So it's uh, I 01:11:09.100 --> 01:11:14.460 Is it is it this one? I think it's this one when I moused over it. It wasn't it wasn't super obvious 01:11:14.460 --> 01:11:20.140 So I forget what comes up. Does it just say cosmic? I'm I'm actually not sure so don't quote don't quote me on any of that 01:11:21.180 --> 01:11:24.700 Uh, cosmic store another another thing I'll say is like 01:11:25.660 --> 01:11:30.380 And we have to we have to basically address this every time and and I think there is a subset of 01:11:31.100 --> 01:11:35.500 Linux mega nerds that actually don't want the year of Linux desktop to be a thing 01:11:35.660 --> 01:11:38.220 I know because then it would be not like 01:11:38.700 --> 01:11:44.060 Then it's not as cool. Yes, exactly. I think that is a subset probably not that big of a subset 01:11:44.060 --> 01:11:46.700 but I do think that is a subset of people but um 01:11:48.460 --> 01:11:53.980 Man, yeah, there's uh, and I don't know maybe people should rtfm a little more and google things themselves and stuff 01:11:54.060 --> 01:11:58.380 But like I'll come across a reddit thread where somebody's like, oh, how do I do this thing? 01:11:58.380 --> 01:12:02.220 And like an arch based distro and instead of just like 01:12:02.700 --> 01:12:06.780 Oh, here's your actually like really simple answer because the question you asked is like not that deep 01:12:07.420 --> 01:12:12.620 There will be like a seven paragraph thing about how you're a freaking idiot and you should never touch arch 01:12:12.620 --> 01:12:15.900 And you should probably go back to Windows you tiny little insignificant insignificant baby 01:12:16.220 --> 01:12:19.900 And it's like dude relax Like oh my god 01:12:19.900 --> 01:12:23.340 I think it was like I think the guy was like, how do I install steam? 01:12:23.820 --> 01:12:27.420 Yeah, it was how do I install steam in arch and the reason why I looked that up 01:12:27.500 --> 01:12:31.340 Which seems really basic was because I was just stunned. It wasn't in the package manager 01:12:32.060 --> 01:12:37.660 Yeah, I was like what like really and like I ended I ended up just installing it like I I just pac-mand it 01:12:37.660 --> 01:12:39.660 But like I was a little bit surprised 01:12:41.100 --> 01:12:46.140 Because like yeah, I'm comfortable enough. I can use a command line and stuff, but I kind of the gooey's there 01:12:47.100 --> 01:12:49.580 It kind of like is fine. It's almost like 01:12:51.020 --> 01:12:57.340 Basically everything for 98 percent of people has moved to gooey 01:12:57.660 --> 01:13:03.500 Yeah for a reason and it's weird that steam isn't in there like steams pretty normal 01:13:04.940 --> 01:13:10.780 No Chrome also wasn't in there, but chromium was I thought that was just kind of a funny little 01:13:11.740 --> 01:13:16.700 There might be some other reason for that But I was like, okay, whatever. I'll just try chromium and see how that goes 01:13:16.700 --> 01:13:21.020 So I'm running chromium instead of chrome because I always I do firefox for personal stuff chrome for work 01:13:21.180 --> 01:13:23.500 I've always done that. I the separation actually 01:13:24.300 --> 01:13:28.140 At this point is like very fluent not doing that would be very weird 01:13:28.380 --> 01:13:32.380 Right, like if I did personal stuff in chrome or work stuff in firefox, it would probably feel very odd 01:13:32.780 --> 01:13:35.180 Um, so like okay, I've got my two everything's fine 01:13:35.820 --> 01:13:41.500 Um teams is like a problem. Have you done that? Have you installed teams? I haven't installed teams yet 01:13:42.060 --> 01:13:47.580 Oh, I like Man, it sucks. There's there's no like official 01:13:48.860 --> 01:13:53.900 Yeah, there used to be though. There was a long time ago. Yeah, I think maybe the first time we did the challenge 01:13:53.900 --> 01:13:58.860 There was I think I think it what I think we were right on the it was it still existed 01:13:58.940 --> 01:14:02.780 But the support for it was like bad or something. I thought it don't don't quote me on that 01:14:02.780 --> 01:14:05.260 But I remember us. I remember it being a thing 01:14:05.980 --> 01:14:08.940 We definitely discussed it at the time. Mm-hmm. Yeah 01:14:11.500 --> 01:14:16.860 If teams is reason luke will go postal. It's already annoying. Um, like I I had a meeting 01:14:16.940 --> 01:14:21.180 So how our meetings tend to work is you get a teams meeting 01:14:22.220 --> 01:14:27.420 That is attached to your calendar invite. So you click on that and then it brings you into the meeting. It's not 01:14:27.980 --> 01:14:35.580 in my opinion, it's It's really wack guys. Stop telling me to try things. I'm not going to listen to you. I've already said that you can stop 01:14:36.300 --> 01:14:40.300 I'm legitimately not I will probably avoid the things that you tell me to do 01:14:40.300 --> 01:14:45.260 It's the most wrong thing you've ever said You said you can stop they can't 01:14:46.060 --> 01:14:48.060 They actually can't stop 01:14:49.580 --> 01:14:51.580 They're addicted to the shindig 01:14:53.660 --> 01:15:00.460 But okay, so I In in Windows it you you click on that link and it'll be like, oh you have teams installed 01:15:00.460 --> 01:15:05.420 Do you want to just open this with your desktop application and like yeah every time I would prefer to do that? Thank you 01:15:05.980 --> 01:15:10.620 um I don't think because because it's maybe because it's an unofficial app 01:15:11.020 --> 01:15:15.820 Maybe there's some way I can link the two. I'm sure there is I haven't done the work to do that yet 01:15:16.220 --> 01:15:19.180 Right now it really only wants to open in the browser 01:15:19.660 --> 01:15:23.580 So the first call that I had to take I ended up being like I answered in the browser 01:15:23.580 --> 01:15:28.940 And then it was like a little whack and I was like, hey Can I just call you through the app and then we did and I click 01:15:29.500 --> 01:15:34.700 Call on the app and then I think it doesn't work And like 15 seconds later the call goes 01:15:35.260 --> 01:15:40.460 And actually does something and I'm like, oh, okay. So like the biggest problem I've had so far is just teams 01:15:41.260 --> 01:15:45.180 um Which is kind of funny because discord actually worked 01:15:45.820 --> 01:15:51.260 Flawlessly and in oh right. I'm glad yours was forgot about that. Sorry about that. Yeah, no 01:15:52.540 --> 01:15:57.180 So discord and slack both worked immediately with no no issues, but yeah teams was a problem 01:15:57.180 --> 01:16:04.380 But it seems very centralized to to teams Um, yeah rest assured says in chat you were on cosmic 01:16:05.180 --> 01:16:13.260 Is that five question marks? That's in beta still borderline alpha. I don't know brother. I just downloaded whatever was on system 76's website. I 01:16:14.140 --> 01:16:20.700 Yeah I don't know dude says it just says now with cosmic 01:16:23.660 --> 01:16:28.940 I don't I don't make I don't make the rules man. Maybe maybe what I managed to do 01:16:29.820 --> 01:16:35.020 Maybe what I managed to do was catch them at a bad time again 01:16:38.300 --> 01:16:44.700 Wouldn't that be just the way Cosmic is borked cosmic is not new cosmic is 1.0 now see 01:16:46.620 --> 01:16:56.060 To me 1.0 means new And pre 1.0 means not even new yet like to me to me 1.0 is the infant baby 01:16:56.540 --> 01:17:01.740 Like it's still like completely worthless. You ask that infant baby to shovel the snow in the driveway 01:17:02.300 --> 01:17:07.580 useless Infant baby talks it out there. It doesn't even move anything before that is in womb 01:17:08.140 --> 01:17:13.660 So yeah, if I'd known better, maybe I wouldn't have gone popo s but now I'm gonna at least I'm gonna at least give it a shot 01:17:14.060 --> 01:17:17.580 I'm gonna well. I feel like I've given it a shot. Oh, I don't want to change it. It's such a 01:17:18.700 --> 01:17:23.180 I feel if if changing your operating system is not your hobby 01:17:23.500 --> 01:17:30.700 Then this is not an attractive proposition and I think that's something a lot of people have a hard time wrapping their brain around 01:17:32.140 --> 01:17:38.940 Yeah, yeah changing my os is not my hobby redoing the plumbing in my computer 01:17:39.740 --> 01:17:44.860 Yeah, that's my hobby. I'm more interested. You like the hardware. I could be I could be convinced to do that 01:17:45.980 --> 01:17:50.460 Clean out my blocks. Yeah Yeah, I I will say like 01:17:51.020 --> 01:17:53.420 It's been fine, but it has been like 01:17:54.300 --> 01:17:57.820 Oh, right I have to install that thing 01:17:58.060 --> 01:18:01.180 Okay Oh, I'm not logged in on 01:18:01.180 --> 01:18:07.580 All of the different things. That's annoying. Huh. Slack's been quiet today. Oh, yeah, I don't have that installed yet 01:18:08.380 --> 01:18:14.380 Crap. That's why it's been quiet today. Oh, no, and then install that and then oh, everything's fine. Okay, cool 01:18:14.620 --> 01:18:18.300 And I think it's uh 01:18:18.300 --> 01:18:21.100 Yeah, and I think it's I think it's one of those things where like 01:18:21.820 --> 01:18:28.540 It all depends on you know What your baggage is right? I hate logging into things 01:18:28.780 --> 01:18:33.020 I feel like half of my life Is logging into things because I do so many 01:18:33.980 --> 01:18:38.860 disparate tasks in so many disparate platforms that 01:18:39.500 --> 01:18:43.100 Like almost any time I get interrupted and I have to do anything 01:18:43.580 --> 01:18:47.020 I'm logging in again and fetching a two-factor thing again 01:18:47.580 --> 01:18:54.940 And then going in remote desk topping into some other thing to retrieve some other token that I need to like there's always 01:18:55.420 --> 01:18:58.460 I'm always logging into something. So if you tell me hey 01:18:59.180 --> 01:19:03.260 Guess what Linus? There's this trendy new Linux distro 01:19:03.820 --> 01:19:10.300 All you have to do is log into all your sh**. Yeah, okay. I'm done. I'm not interested the conversation is actually over now 01:19:11.660 --> 01:19:18.380 That went from fun and interesting to Kill it with fire. Yeah with that with that fast 01:19:19.020 --> 01:19:25.740 Yeah, I I do I will say I really appreciate actually the login methods for discord and steam these days 01:19:25.980 --> 01:19:30.220 The qr coding from your phone. It's okay. Is oh, it was pretty fast for me 01:19:31.180 --> 01:19:35.180 I I didn't even open those specific apps. I just opened my camera 01:19:35.580 --> 01:19:40.380 The camera used the link to open that app to the screen where it did the scan thing 01:19:40.780 --> 01:19:45.260 And then I just was like, oh, okay, that worked and then it scanned it and it just logged me an instance 01:19:45.420 --> 01:19:51.100 I didn't do anything. It was amazing for me I have my steam password memorized. So maybe it's just 01:19:51.420 --> 01:19:56.300 Oh, well the friction of that would honestly be faster taking anything out of my pocket is just sort of going 01:19:56.380 --> 01:19:59.500 That's an example of how many damn times you have to log into things. I dude 01:19:59.500 --> 01:20:07.500 I like very rarely logged in my steam I have way too many of my passwords memorized now just because it's faster than typing in my master password 01:20:07.500 --> 01:20:11.500 And then going and getting my two-factor and then doing my single sign-on 01:20:15.740 --> 01:20:19.100 They promised us that pass keys we're going to remove the friction 01:20:19.740 --> 01:20:25.260 Pass keys and single sign-on was supposed to make everything magically better. Well, and then it got hyper paywalled 01:20:26.220 --> 01:20:29.180 single sign-on getting hyper paywalled is like one of the worst 01:20:29.820 --> 01:20:32.540 Things that have happened to modern computing in my opinion 01:20:33.020 --> 01:20:40.860 um Yeah, I don't know right now. I need something stronger. I haven't ran into anything that would make me run back to Windows 01:20:41.260 --> 01:20:45.260 I have only been using it for a little bit and I suspect I'm gonna hit a hard wall 01:20:45.500 --> 01:20:48.940 Yeah, the indiana jones game hasn't come out, you know, exactly 01:20:49.260 --> 01:20:53.180 I'm gonna hit a hard wall where it's it's an anti-cheat thing 01:20:53.660 --> 01:20:56.700 Or something like that and I just can't run it on this system 01:20:56.860 --> 01:21:02.860 And I'm gonna go what the heck you'll end up back on you'll hit the exact same one that I did at the land 01:21:03.260 --> 01:21:11.340 There's seven people waiting in a lobby for me Yeah, it's gonna drive me and I'm f***ing around with my special snowflake Linux while everyone else is sitting here going 01:21:12.540 --> 01:21:17.980 Okay, so what because of your special dietary restriction, we need to make an entirely new meal for you 01:21:18.700 --> 01:21:26.620 Then play the game that you can play Actually, we don't really need you in our friend group that sucks. Yeah, and that happens and that happens 01:21:26.860 --> 01:21:29.500 You maybe you have a super happy fun time 01:21:30.380 --> 01:21:33.820 Friend group that you've been with forever and that doesn't happen to you and that's great 01:21:33.900 --> 01:21:40.300 But that does actually happen and even if it doesn't and they're nice about it. It doesn't mean that it doesn't cause friction. Yeah 01:21:41.980 --> 01:21:46.540 Yeah, I mean and it might happen slow. I mean, there's a there's someone 01:21:48.620 --> 01:21:52.460 And I this is someone that I like very much 01:21:53.020 --> 01:22:00.460 And enjoy as a person But there's someone who kind of stopped getting gaming invites from us 01:22:02.460 --> 01:22:04.860 Because it was very high friction 01:22:09.020 --> 01:22:11.020 And I love working for him 01:22:14.940 --> 01:22:17.660 It's a bit of a tell which narrows things down a little 01:22:25.100 --> 01:22:30.780 But between audio problems and just general connection stability and 01:22:33.260 --> 01:22:35.260 You know just 01:22:37.260 --> 01:22:44.380 Oh man, that's pretty funny. Um, oh, who'd you think I was talking about? I'm just kidding. I know who you thought I was talking about 01:22:47.820 --> 01:22:57.020 I was gonna say there's another one Yeah, I guess wait, I guess we're those people I haven't been playing with you guys lately. I like that 01:22:59.660 --> 01:23:01.660 Yo, what the f*** it happens, man 01:23:03.260 --> 01:23:07.820 Mr. Tec's got a lot of tech problems. Is this just because I'm on Linux. Mr. Tec's got a lot of tech problems 01:23:07.820 --> 01:23:13.020 I'm late for a left for dead lobby one time. Sometimes we got an hour to play and sometimes it takes you an hour to be set up 01:23:14.060 --> 01:23:16.060 Listen 01:23:19.900 --> 01:23:22.780 Oh, sorry, I have to update I have to update the 01:23:23.980 --> 01:23:32.140 Transversal auxiliary Wave pump in my 14th computer in my seventh room so that I can play in the 01:23:32.780 --> 01:23:37.260 In my theater room, but never mind that's not gonna work because little man wants to play there 01:23:37.260 --> 01:23:42.220 So I'm gonna play in this other place and then I'm gonna play in the upstairs And then my thing isn't gonna work and I'll see you guys in an hour 01:23:42.220 --> 01:23:45.420 I never mind I can't play because if I need some help I'll be back in 20 minutes 01:23:45.660 --> 01:23:50.620 Actually, this these other people what if we just what if we what if everyone just remote it in my computer? 01:23:50.620 --> 01:23:53.580 We play that way away. That doesn't work. Never mind. We'll do this other thing 01:23:54.140 --> 01:23:58.940 Okay, you've kind of touched on a number of issues. I have a very troubleshooting 01:23:59.740 --> 01:24:07.980 oriented personality type I I get I get fixated on a goal and sometimes my goal is something like we need to play 5v5 01:24:08.300 --> 01:24:11.260 Yeah, and then you have issues with like exit the game barely even 01:24:11.660 --> 01:24:15.500 Supports it or like the remote software like steam remote 01:24:16.060 --> 01:24:19.020 What is it remote play together doesn't support that many controllers? 01:24:19.100 --> 01:24:24.140 But but parsec does and you and you make your way down these all these like troubleshooting steps 01:24:24.140 --> 01:24:28.140 Okay, so that's that's one of me personality issues that you've identified. Thank you very much 01:24:29.500 --> 01:24:35.340 Another one is the multiple systems and some of them being in various states of setup. Yes, okay 01:24:35.420 --> 01:24:41.180 That's a reflection of my fragmented mind. Sure. Okay. Let's go with that for personality flaw number two 01:24:41.820 --> 01:24:48.940 The last one is actually This one comes up a lot and is the one that I guess I don't really talk to you guys about as much 01:24:49.340 --> 01:24:56.220 But comes up more often than the other ones But sometimes I will go such a long period of time between gaming sessions 01:24:57.500 --> 01:25:00.860 That like everything's everything's out of date. Everything is demanding updates. Yeah 01:25:01.580 --> 01:25:04.700 And that is such an annoying thing about 01:25:05.420 --> 01:25:08.620 Modern gaming that even with a fast internet connection 01:25:09.020 --> 01:25:13.900 I need to be seated at my computer If I haven't played in a couple months 01:25:13.900 --> 01:25:20.220 So there could be like a major patch on the game or there could be like a game ready driver or you know, whatever, right? 01:25:20.860 --> 01:25:28.380 um Or or like just your crap all logs you out because you know how things spontaneously log you out now 01:25:29.820 --> 01:25:34.300 And so you have to be like seated at your computer 20 minutes ahead of time in order to make your game date 01:25:34.300 --> 01:25:39.900 It's like at that point I might as well drive to someone's house and we can just plug in controllers and play xbox one 01:25:41.020 --> 01:25:43.660 Honestly, yeah, not one the first one 01:25:44.940 --> 01:25:51.900 Where you just put the disc in it and you play halo Have you sick you just needler each other until everyone's just angry 01:25:52.620 --> 01:25:58.220 you know Like it honestly just sounds more fun at that point source shotguns halo 2 01:25:59.180 --> 01:26:03.660 The map where there's the the ramps and the towers and the blue bogey thing 01:26:04.220 --> 01:26:08.780 Solid heck. Yeah, dude solid. No in all actuality. We just haven't been playing very much 01:26:09.580 --> 01:26:14.860 Life's been busy. Yeah, I hear you People like every time I go to smash champs 01:26:15.740 --> 01:26:18.540 Every time without fail someone says hey, you're back 01:26:20.220 --> 01:26:23.420 And like I do go there once in a while, but I'm not attending 01:26:24.060 --> 01:26:27.580 like I had been like I played ladder last night and um 01:26:28.220 --> 01:26:31.980 Oh, you mean for the for badminton. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sorry. As you said when I go to smash 01:26:31.980 --> 01:26:35.340 I was my brain's just like whale. No. Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah 01:26:35.740 --> 01:26:39.340 Um So I'm just like I'm not like I'm not seeing 01:26:40.060 --> 01:26:46.860 members of the community nearly as much as they're like Use they have gotten used to seeing me. Can you think it's been open for a year? It's pretty wild 01:26:48.140 --> 01:26:53.500 How crazy is that it was fun having all the land attendees look through the doors and just go like whoa 01:26:54.140 --> 01:26:58.140 It went the other way too. Oh, yeah. Yeah badminton people were like what the heck? 01:26:59.100 --> 01:27:03.340 What is this because I was actually playing in the morning of the saturday 01:27:03.820 --> 01:27:09.260 So I was I was playing badminton From 9 to 11 with a group that came up from seattle 01:27:09.340 --> 01:27:14.540 So it's not like we could just like meet another time and play because they were up for a couple of them had a birthday or something 01:27:14.860 --> 01:27:20.140 So they came up. They did the new go-kart place in richman. I haven't tried it yet. Have you been the like two level one? 01:27:20.140 --> 01:27:27.340 It looks awesome. I didn't know we had a two level one. Yeah It just like they they were close for renovations for like ever and I want to go 01:27:28.060 --> 01:27:34.460 Maybe we should oh, it's all man. We should do it for summer fun. Summer's coming up. Are we sweet speeder? Yeah. Yeah, I think it's that one 01:27:36.460 --> 01:27:40.220 Multi-level tracks. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, so I want to I want to go there here here here 01:27:40.300 --> 01:27:46.220 Luke laptop endless ways to play Oh, look. Yeah, they're they're good. This is clearly them going up. Whoa 01:27:46.940 --> 01:27:51.820 Yeah, 30 minutes. Yeah Whoa. Yeah, I know 01:27:52.780 --> 01:27:59.180 They have laser tagging stuff too. Is this the new like castle fun park? No, it's in richman speeders has been there for a long time 01:27:59.180 --> 01:28:04.300 But they reno like the you know, they have laser tag. They have bowling. They have darts. They have 01:28:04.780 --> 01:28:11.420 Mini golf like castle fun park is still my castle fun park. Yeah too soon. I know I heard they flooded again 01:28:12.140 --> 01:28:16.380 I feel so bad for them. It's gotta be really if you visit up here 01:28:16.860 --> 01:28:21.020 And like need a thing to do some night for some reason. Maybe your work or whatever 01:28:21.340 --> 01:28:27.180 Castle fun park is genuinely a really good time go to castle fun. It's a bit out of the way and they've had like 01:28:28.140 --> 01:28:31.900 Nature trying to tear them down They've they've they had some 01:28:31.900 --> 01:28:38.940 Underground experiences like they had this really cool actually underground mini golf and stuff and their place got flooded and those underground areas got 01:28:39.740 --> 01:28:44.780 How could abbotsford be subject to so many acts of god? Yeah, it's right in the name 01:28:45.740 --> 01:28:49.420 It's the fort of abbots Yeah 01:28:49.420 --> 01:28:57.900 But yeah, check this out like uh, all right So yeah, so I was playing with the badminton people and like multiple of the the group that came up was like 01:28:58.540 --> 01:29:06.380 What is that? And I'm like, oh Well, it's like it's the land like for gaming. They're like, oh like e-sports. I'm like, yeah, kind of 01:29:08.060 --> 01:29:11.020 If you could only play with the people at the land and pretty much everyone was bad 01:29:13.420 --> 01:29:18.940 Yeah, yeah, kind of um, no offense. I'm including myself in that to be clear. But yeah, like uh, dude 01:29:19.980 --> 01:29:23.580 On the badminton side, we've been open for one year and this is what it looks like right now 01:29:24.060 --> 01:29:28.780 It's really cool. Like this is this is crazy. It like kind of yeah, you can kind of see it 01:29:29.260 --> 01:29:33.260 But like we kind of accidentally like a whole like business 01:29:33.740 --> 01:29:38.060 And it's it's funny, right? Because like you see so many like there's people waiting on the side right now 01:29:38.540 --> 01:29:43.340 You can see everyone like waiting off court. You people who don't like understand 01:29:43.820 --> 01:29:46.300 Um, the sport and the popularity of the sport 01:29:47.260 --> 01:29:51.500 There were so many comments on the initial videos like announcing it dude those courts were like 01:29:52.380 --> 01:29:55.100 Very active until like three four in the morning 01:29:56.300 --> 01:30:00.060 During whale it like I would go kind of poke my head over every once in a while 01:30:00.380 --> 01:30:03.740 And then I think there might have been a few even outside of those hours 01:30:03.740 --> 01:30:07.580 But like I kind of stopped the late night stuff. I think was mostly LMG people 01:30:07.660 --> 01:30:10.620 I was goofing around with them for a bit and like Yvonne was over there 01:30:11.020 --> 01:30:14.140 I think like a bunch of the accounting people were over there and stuff 01:30:14.860 --> 01:30:17.340 People are still using it. But yeah, like it's um 01:30:18.060 --> 01:30:24.220 I don't know. Yeah, there were a lot of just like this is this is so incredibly stupid. This will never be a viable business. This is like guys 01:30:25.180 --> 01:30:28.140 People need stuff to do third places, man 01:30:28.700 --> 01:30:31.980 Yeah, you need some third places and no offense to speeders 01:30:31.980 --> 01:30:34.540 But give me some third places that aren't a hundred dollars every half hour 01:30:35.180 --> 01:30:41.740 I had uh, I I had never heard the term before until I was chatting with um with charade 01:30:42.540 --> 01:30:48.380 Yeah, third places. Yeah third place. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and uh, and he was just he was just talking about like the lack of 01:30:48.940 --> 01:30:55.580 Of third places And I'd actually like I don't know. You know how I am like someone will bring up anything and I start going like 01:30:55.580 --> 01:31:02.380 Oh, you're like like what would be the opportunity to like to fix this and so I um, I was so I was this was actually 01:31:02.860 --> 01:31:08.700 On our china trip and I was brainstorming with charade this idea for um 01:31:09.420 --> 01:31:14.380 third place ink And it actually there's there's some pretty cool ideas 01:31:14.700 --> 01:31:18.700 I I couldn't afford to do it here because it's just like kind of crazy 01:31:19.260 --> 01:31:25.820 But the idea the basic idea behind it is you want it to remove you want to remove the decision paralysis 01:31:26.540 --> 01:31:31.740 Of deciding where you're going and what you want to do like it's kind of the physical equivalent 01:31:32.300 --> 01:31:36.540 Of you know how it's impossible to decide what to watch because there's so many options 01:31:36.700 --> 01:31:39.980 Yeah, or whether it's on flecks or netflix. Yeah, exactly 01:31:40.540 --> 01:31:47.740 Exactly that. So you go on like I'm we must have all been there you you're everyone's hungry 01:31:48.460 --> 01:31:50.460 You fire up google maps 01:31:51.740 --> 01:32:00.380 And there's just A zillion options. So the idea is that with third place ink you remove that friction. You just go there 01:32:00.940 --> 01:32:05.580 So it would like have programming or events, but none of them would be posted online 01:32:06.460 --> 01:32:13.740 And maybe the bulletin board literally like I had this idea of having like um, like like a door people style lens 01:32:14.300 --> 01:32:19.180 So you can like look And you can you can like see what's going on today 01:32:19.580 --> 01:32:26.460 But you can't like take a picture of it or anything You know, obviously people would people would post them, but you try to you try to discourage it 01:32:26.940 --> 01:32:32.140 And so the idea is just that you you, uh, you just have this kind of 01:32:32.860 --> 01:32:36.860 Uh, this kind of like programming events, whether it's like, okay, tonight. We're doing poker night 01:32:37.340 --> 01:32:40.220 You're not good at poker. It doesn't matter. Everyone's playing poker tonight 01:32:40.700 --> 01:32:45.820 Um flagship locations could be set up with all kinds of activities that encourage casual coexistence 01:32:46.300 --> 01:32:51.100 So a music listening room with a jukebox 01:32:51.100 --> 01:32:53.100 crazy idea not a new idea 01:32:54.300 --> 01:32:58.940 But the idea being that you don't everyone doesn't just have their headphones in 01:32:59.740 --> 01:33:05.580 There's music playing and everyone can take their turn and for 50 cents or you know, whatever for a dollar song 01:33:05.820 --> 01:33:10.780 You pick the next song, um karaoke billiards tabletop games 01:33:11.260 --> 01:33:15.820 Um, it'd be cool if it was membership based so you don't pay have to pay every time you go there 01:33:15.820 --> 01:33:23.420 So you kind of remove that friction. You just go you just go hang out You'd want to be somewhere transit friendly and then you know, one of the things that came up with okay 01:33:23.420 --> 01:33:27.740 How do you deal with unsavory stuff? You know drug deals hooking up in bathrooms? 01:33:28.060 --> 01:33:30.300 Do you do it through a member's code of conduct? Do you? 01:33:31.100 --> 01:33:35.340 Do you count on people to self-police? That's that's kind of as far as we got but like 01:33:35.980 --> 01:33:41.980 Man, how much would you how much would you enjoy just having a pops chocolate shop? 01:33:43.820 --> 01:33:49.180 You know And that's that that's a bit of a dated. That's a rare. That's a reference dated reference. Yeah 01:33:49.980 --> 01:33:55.980 Yeah, no, I think it would be Like a country club remember remember the part about it being affordable though 01:33:56.620 --> 01:33:59.180 That's where the country club thing doesn't really land 01:33:59.820 --> 01:34:05.660 For most people then the the issue with it being affordable is how do you do that affordably these days? 01:34:05.980 --> 01:34:10.620 Like how do you have that much space in camp anywhere in british columbia? 01:34:10.620 --> 01:34:15.580 I mean, that's the one part anywhere that has population. That's the one part that most people 01:34:16.140 --> 01:34:19.820 didn't understand about smash champs like that's 01:34:20.540 --> 01:34:23.900 The things that they thought were stupid were not stupid at all 01:34:24.300 --> 01:34:31.100 And the things that almost nobody flagged were very stupid the building. Uh, yeah the building itself because 01:34:31.740 --> 01:34:34.780 That's been strange to me that people didn't put that together 01:34:35.980 --> 01:34:40.860 The number of people mad about us acquiring the tech house, you know another house 01:34:41.900 --> 01:34:47.580 and like Not recognizing that compared to our commercial real estate acquisitions. That's like 01:34:48.540 --> 01:34:52.220 It shows up on the line 01:34:52.780 --> 01:34:57.100 Oh, it's a line item. It's a line item. It's definitely a line item. It's for sure a line item 01:34:57.580 --> 01:35:00.620 Um, but like yeah, I don't yeah, okay 01:35:00.620 --> 01:35:05.420 I think part of the problem with this is just like magnetizing people away 01:35:06.060 --> 01:35:13.500 from These and and these these types of things. Oh, that was sorry. I didn't I didn't mention that you you check your phone at the door 01:35:13.740 --> 01:35:19.260 Oh, no, I meant to get there at all because like get them out of their house get them out of their bedroom or whatever 01:35:19.420 --> 01:35:23.420 There's a video I watched from hopefully I don't pronounce it wrong. I think it's you're gonna like this though 01:35:23.420 --> 01:35:26.700 You're gonna like this. No, sure. I'll pause this. It's fine. Yeah, hold that thought 01:35:26.940 --> 01:35:32.460 But the idea was that you check your phones at the door, but that's okay because at the reception 01:35:33.420 --> 01:35:39.100 You can so you can opt To leave it so that to leave it out or to put it in the box 01:35:39.420 --> 01:35:45.820 And then if you get an emergency call Literally, you can like call third place or no, sorry. No, that wasn't the idea 01:35:45.820 --> 01:35:48.860 That was one idea and then I was like, no, there's too many privacy issues 01:35:49.020 --> 01:35:51.660 And then the new idea was that you have a landline at third place 01:35:52.220 --> 01:35:55.980 And then you could you could like you'd you'd have to call and then they'd like page you 01:35:56.380 --> 01:35:59.500 Like remember when you were trying to reach your parents at work when we were kids 01:35:59.580 --> 01:36:03.980 Yeah, and you'd have to call the office and you'd be like scared to talk to the stranger and be like 01:36:04.620 --> 01:36:11.740 um Is can I talk to mrs. Sebastian? Like, yeah, uh, can I can I tell her who's calling? Yeah, it's her son 01:36:12.300 --> 01:36:18.540 Oh, okay. Okay little Linus. Uh, yeah, I'll I'll go get her and then it would be like five minutes and they'd go get them 01:36:18.620 --> 01:36:23.740 You could potentially like if you had the phones badged by name, which wouldn't be very hard 01:36:24.300 --> 01:36:29.340 I mean be kind of automatic. I'm assuming you're bagging it somehow with a tag so you know who to give it to 01:36:29.820 --> 01:36:32.780 um You could just see the caller ID 01:36:33.340 --> 01:36:36.380 If there's no caller ID, who cares just let it ring through anyways 01:36:36.620 --> 01:36:40.140 But if there's a caller ID, you could be like so and so this 01:36:40.700 --> 01:36:44.460 Caller ID is calling you and then that person can decide if they want to come get their phone or not 01:36:44.700 --> 01:36:50.380 But that's yeah, that's pretty sweet. Uh, but yeah, I watch I watch this video from I think it's emil emil emil 01:36:50.780 --> 01:36:58.300 Sorry, they say their name in the video and I already forgot how to pronounce it But uh, you should install a cheap computer in your room and I don't know why I clicked on this 01:36:58.380 --> 01:37:03.180 But I was I think my thought process was like why why would I possibly want a cheap computer in my room? 01:37:03.500 --> 01:37:07.500 Their argument was actually pretty good. I don't want to play it because you should go watch for msn messenger 01:37:08.300 --> 01:37:15.980 I know um, I heard there's still versions that work. No way. I've I've shut up through the grapevine. Um, but 01:37:17.100 --> 01:37:21.820 Their argument was that for them By doing this they might 01:37:23.100 --> 01:37:27.180 Choose a higher medium And through doing that not doom scroll 01:37:29.020 --> 01:37:31.500 They might watch a movie they might 01:37:32.060 --> 01:37:35.420 Play a game. They might do something. I don't remember all the details. It's been a bit since I watch it 01:37:35.500 --> 01:37:38.060 Uh go watch it if you're interested, but um 01:37:39.100 --> 01:37:44.300 I liked the thought process of just like just something to keep me from doom scrolling 01:37:44.620 --> 01:37:48.700 And I think it's the these are such crazy magnets these days and I think it's 01:37:49.580 --> 01:37:54.620 Part of the equation probably a small part I think the biggest part is that just land and everything costs so much freaking money these days 01:37:54.700 --> 01:37:58.780 But yeah part of the reason why I think third places are disappearing is because people just aren't 01:37:59.660 --> 01:38:04.540 Engaging as much because they're sucked into this they're sucked into just vegetating on netflix all day. They're sucked into 01:38:05.260 --> 01:38:09.020 Something that keeps them at home alone and it's it's 01:38:09.660 --> 01:38:14.220 It kind of sucks. I am a person that very very much deeply values my alone time 01:38:14.380 --> 01:38:19.420 But I also have to understand that there's kind of too much and something that would be kind of neat about a third place 01:38:19.420 --> 01:38:24.460 You mentioned the like music listening room. Yeah How there's these I there's these ideas of being 01:38:25.100 --> 01:38:31.340 Alone but amongst people And it is a very different thing than being alone by yourself at home 01:38:31.820 --> 01:38:35.900 Rotting in bed it is it is very different even if you're not actively socializing 01:38:36.140 --> 01:38:38.620 maybe you're just hanging out in the back of the 01:38:39.180 --> 01:38:44.540 The music listening room vibing out listening to different tracks people put on maybe most of time 01:38:44.540 --> 01:38:49.740 You're not all that interested in what it is But maybe someone puts on a song that you really jive with for some reason 01:38:49.740 --> 01:38:53.740 And you ask them about it and forget who the band is whatever else and you have these like little interactions 01:38:53.980 --> 01:38:57.980 It can be really healthy, especially i'm assuming a very high percentage of 01:38:58.620 --> 01:39:07.420 Males are in the audience right now, especially for us There's a crazy like we don't socialize with any one problem going on right now where we all just spend all of our time alone 01:39:07.820 --> 01:39:10.780 and fighting against that is like a 01:39:11.660 --> 01:39:16.940 A valiant thing to do so this this stage in development 01:39:17.660 --> 01:39:23.100 occurs around Two to four years and it's called parallel play 01:39:23.180 --> 01:39:27.020 I love parallel play when a child plays alongside or near others 01:39:27.500 --> 01:39:30.060 But doesn't play with them so 01:39:30.700 --> 01:39:36.700 Different toys in the same sandbox or a group of kids drawing on their own papers while sitting side by side focused on their own journeys 01:39:36.700 --> 01:39:40.220 But still aware of one another and it feels like 01:39:40.780 --> 01:39:44.860 We're not even getting there. No sometimes parallel plays great 01:39:45.420 --> 01:39:49.420 Um and you were saying like we end up uh, we end up alone in our homes 01:39:49.740 --> 01:39:54.460 We also end up alone outside of our homes. Yeah, I saw this. Uh, I saw this really interesting 01:39:56.220 --> 01:39:58.220 I see both sides 01:39:59.340 --> 01:40:09.580 Exchange on reddit eyes forward So it was it was kind of a kind of a a women centric subreddit sure uh talking about 01:40:10.620 --> 01:40:16.220 how How invasive and uncomfortable 01:40:16.860 --> 01:40:22.940 And almost like borderline aggressive it is if someone approaches them in public when they have their airpods in 01:40:24.140 --> 01:40:27.340 and you know 01:40:27.340 --> 01:40:31.180 uh And and I kind of went and they were like 01:40:31.900 --> 01:40:37.580 You know, oh, it's you know, when you have your pods and it makes you seem unapproachable and they're like that's the point 01:40:37.820 --> 01:40:43.580 And I'm like, oh man, definitely see both sides because 01:40:44.940 --> 01:40:47.340 It especially like I'm not a woman 01:40:48.300 --> 01:40:51.820 Big surprise shocker. Oh, I know right not a woman 01:40:52.300 --> 01:40:59.100 I would have never known but there are definitely aspects of the being a woman experience that I have 01:40:59.660 --> 01:41:02.300 Witnessed as a as a third-party non-woman 01:41:02.860 --> 01:41:07.180 That would make me really uncomfortable in public. Yeah, a little bit too much attention. Yep 01:41:07.580 --> 01:41:10.380 A little bit too much attention a little bit by yourself today 01:41:10.700 --> 01:41:16.860 Might just want to listen to my music and and jog be left alone and maybe I'm wearing short shorts because I don't want to 01:41:17.740 --> 01:41:20.700 Wear sweaty leggings that are tied up against my legs 01:41:21.100 --> 01:41:25.180 But that's not an invitation to you know, want to touch them. You know 01:41:26.700 --> 01:41:31.180 Sure That makes total sense Perfectly reasonable 01:41:31.260 --> 01:41:37.900 On the other hand, like you go out in public and like like everyone has their iPods in not 01:41:38.540 --> 01:41:41.900 literally everyone I'm obviously being a little hyperbolic right now, but 01:41:42.940 --> 01:41:47.500 Many people do and you kind of wonder what people like. What was it like? 01:41:48.060 --> 01:41:54.060 Yeah before that and and Were there things about that that were maybe better and healthy 01:41:54.940 --> 01:42:00.220 And and maybe but again, I have put the air pods in and hoped no one would talk to me before 01:42:00.540 --> 01:42:05.580 Totally get it. Sometimes. Yeah mid conversation. I'll even put my air pod back in 01:42:06.220 --> 01:42:10.540 Hoping that somebody might recognize a non-verbal cue, but you know without 01:42:11.260 --> 01:42:21.420 you know, um Categorizing our community, I will say there are social cues might not be many members of the LTT 01:42:22.140 --> 01:42:25.180 community that don't really pick up non-verbal 01:42:26.140 --> 01:42:32.540 Yeah, body language cues. Yeah, doesn't always work. Yeah, you know, you try you try 01:42:33.260 --> 01:42:36.540 um And you know what like I 01:42:37.420 --> 01:42:41.820 I get that I'm not offended by it. I'm not upset by it doesn't really bother me 01:42:41.980 --> 01:42:49.980 I'm also not a woman Totally and it really is very different experience very different when I'm getting unwanted attention from a man 01:42:50.860 --> 01:42:55.500 it's just kind of like Bro, go do something else. It's also fascinating 01:42:56.540 --> 01:43:00.460 I don't know. We don't need to go down this chain really, but it's fascinating to me like 01:43:01.260 --> 01:43:03.260 if I am like attached 01:43:04.860 --> 01:43:08.540 to Say my partner right now 01:43:08.540 --> 01:43:13.580 Yeah, if I if I'm right right next to them or my arms around them or holding hands or something 01:43:13.900 --> 01:43:18.700 If there is some strong indication that I am with this person. Yeah, it's fine 01:43:19.660 --> 01:43:22.300 The second I like flowed out of the picture 01:43:23.260 --> 01:43:27.500 It changes. It's like It's okay jealous type. Well 01:43:28.300 --> 01:43:31.820 if If I'm if I'm so if we're like this 01:43:32.860 --> 01:43:34.860 It's fine to talk to me 01:43:36.220 --> 01:43:44.940 If he's not next to me That is not my point. It's not my point. My point is full like pop a bear mode. You watch out for that 01:43:45.740 --> 01:43:51.500 My point is that like it's it's surprising how palpable and fast the change in attention can be 01:43:52.140 --> 01:43:54.380 And like we saw we saw this in new york 01:43:55.420 --> 01:44:00.380 I was like I was floated off to the emma was getting something from a food cart 01:44:01.100 --> 01:44:05.340 And yuvan and I were all kind of more floated off to the side. Oh, yeah 01:44:05.340 --> 01:44:10.220 Because we were reading the side of the thing So she was kind of on her own and some dude came up like 01:44:11.020 --> 01:44:14.940 Pretty close right behind her and I've repositioned and then they left 01:44:15.900 --> 01:44:24.460 And it was like it's that was fast. It's almost like we're actually like animals. Yeah, and 01:44:25.900 --> 01:44:31.340 Everything like you know how every man somehow knows which urinal to stand at 01:44:32.380 --> 01:44:38.620 Yeah And it's funny because women will talk about how they like don't get it 01:44:39.420 --> 01:44:44.220 That's because you never needed to that's because a hundred thousand years ago 01:44:44.220 --> 01:44:51.020 a million years ago You weren't marking your territory with this thing, you know, you 01:44:52.780 --> 01:44:54.780 Like it's but it's culturally universal 01:44:57.100 --> 01:45:06.380 Sure, yeah, i'm serious Did did humans mark their territory with this? I know dogs did did humans do that humans might not have but something at some point did 01:45:06.860 --> 01:45:10.620 We definitely there's clearly there's clearly vestigial 01:45:11.820 --> 01:45:18.220 Like I don't like I don't want to pee right next to another dude unless we're pretty close 01:45:19.980 --> 01:45:21.980 Do you 01:45:25.580 --> 01:45:31.580 Yeah, sure, sure. All right, I'll I'll follow. Yeah, like there's there's occasional social situations 01:45:31.580 --> 01:45:35.180 I think it might just be like shyness because you have your dong out and in your hands 01:45:36.140 --> 01:45:41.340 You don't want to be like literally shoulder to shoulder with someone but where's the origin of that? 01:45:42.060 --> 01:45:47.900 Why do we have that shyness? Would I be shy sitting next to another dude and ripping a fart? 01:45:50.220 --> 01:45:56.460 Yeah, probably not as much probably not I think there's something coming out of my butt and you won't like it 01:45:57.660 --> 01:46:00.940 This might be a hot take but I think fart smelling is different than don looking 01:46:01.900 --> 01:46:06.300 But the thing I mean you can don gazing is a little different than fart smelling at the urinal though 01:46:06.540 --> 01:46:12.540 There's usually a barrier anyway, so it's not even about the look. It's not even rational anymore hot take if you're a tall 01:46:12.540 --> 01:46:14.540 Dude, there effectively is not a barrier 01:46:16.300 --> 01:46:22.060 Okay, that's fair that's fair and like you know what I'm not even trying to be like oh i'm tall you think there's a barrier for lucas 01:46:23.500 --> 01:46:26.460 There ain't no barrier for lucas. This is true. This is very true 01:46:27.260 --> 01:46:31.580 but What i'm basically saying is like there's things that are 01:46:32.140 --> 01:46:37.260 That are that are non. No, I hear you don't need to be communicated. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah that are non verbal that we all 01:46:37.260 --> 01:46:41.500 Just like kind of understand except the ones that don't um 01:46:41.500 --> 01:46:46.780 And coming way back around some of them can make life a little uncomfortable to be a woman 01:46:47.100 --> 01:46:49.820 Yeah, and I don't have to experience that which is great 01:46:50.300 --> 01:46:56.140 and unfortunately AirPods might be limiting our ability to socially interact 01:46:56.620 --> 01:47:03.020 and Third place would strive to be different somehow and probably would fail for that reason because people 01:47:03.580 --> 01:47:06.620 people Like I said in the in that subreddit 01:47:06.860 --> 01:47:15.660 They they liked it this way And wanted it this way and the whole third place and that's valid. It might end up a a pit of 300 dudes 01:47:16.780 --> 01:47:20.780 That are all single everyone back in the pile and 01:47:21.180 --> 01:47:24.460 And you know it might you might walk in that door 01:47:26.940 --> 01:47:33.980 and Feel a little targeted when 600 eyeballs turn at you all all at once not to mention the other balls 01:47:35.580 --> 01:47:40.220 Yeah pretty much So, yeah, I don't know. There's there's problems with these things 01:47:40.300 --> 01:47:44.620 It is it is a tragedy that a lot of these third places are gone, but I I don't have an answer for it 01:47:45.340 --> 01:47:48.620 Have we done a topic yet? one 01:47:48.620 --> 01:47:53.980 Which I don't even know if we're actually done You are not we talked about the Linux stuff. Oh, I'm done 01:47:54.940 --> 01:47:57.420 I don't have a lot to add. Yeah, I think um 01:47:59.180 --> 01:48:06.300 There are some cozy things from mint that I miss Okay, but I'm fine so far as of right now everything that I've had to do 01:48:07.020 --> 01:48:09.420 Has me not looking back towards Windows at all 01:48:10.300 --> 01:48:16.620 I fully expect my final conclusion is going to be wanting to go back to Windows because I'm going to run into game compatibility issues 01:48:16.860 --> 01:48:24.700 Um And honestly maybe because the team's experience is just so bad and I have to use teams so it just is what it is 01:48:25.100 --> 01:48:27.420 Um, this is why I never look at youtube chat 01:48:29.580 --> 01:48:35.180 I take the middle urinal. I love that awkward moment of silence when they have to decide whether or not to go next to you 01:48:35.180 --> 01:48:39.900 Or go into a stall Actual monster 01:48:39.980 --> 01:48:41.980 That 01:48:44.940 --> 01:48:47.900 Feels like uh someone that we knew used to 01:48:48.460 --> 01:48:54.540 vary their walking speed To be a little bit faster than you or a little bit slower than you just to see how you'd react 01:48:55.740 --> 01:48:57.740 Do you know who we're talking about? 01:48:59.500 --> 01:49:02.300 I can type it sure i'm gonna type it 01:49:04.940 --> 01:49:06.940 That checks out 01:49:09.980 --> 01:49:15.900 I didn't know that they did that it feel it feels like that type of thing just they just it's just the like social observation 01:49:16.780 --> 01:49:25.260 They just want to see yeah, okay Yeah, um evan picked up on a tizm thing from me that I hadn't realized that I was still doing 01:49:25.980 --> 01:49:31.980 Um, so like like years into my relationship. She finally acknowledged it out loud. She's like 01:49:32.860 --> 01:49:38.060 Oh, yeah, you're doing that thing where you don't step on cracks. So it makes your it makes your gait really uneven 01:49:38.620 --> 01:49:43.820 um But it's fine and I was like, oh god now. I'm like hyper aware of this 01:49:45.420 --> 01:49:50.700 I do stuff like that all the time but that was that's not me doing it on purpose to find out how other people will react to it 01:49:50.780 --> 01:49:56.940 Yeah, I don't think I even sort of hide that I'll like really dramatically like I'll either on purpose step on all of them 01:49:57.020 --> 01:50:00.540 Or not step on them or something. I have to force myself to not I'm just thinking about it 01:50:00.620 --> 01:50:04.940 Which makes me think about it a lot. That makes sense and then I just walk with very even 01:50:06.060 --> 01:50:08.860 I actually try to walk in like super robotic 01:50:09.900 --> 01:50:14.940 She's two inches shorter than me But women tend to have proportionally longer legs 01:50:15.420 --> 01:50:19.900 Compared to their torsos. So our legs are almost exactly the same length. I'm an eyes are exactly same 01:50:19.900 --> 01:50:24.780 Yeah, so we so so I can so if I pay attention to it at all 01:50:25.180 --> 01:50:30.620 Then I uh, then I can just like walk completely and lockstep with her and then I and then I don't have to think about it as much 01:50:30.860 --> 01:50:36.620 Because if we're attached Then I don't have to look down and think about where I'm stepping. I'm just a child when I walk 01:50:36.780 --> 01:50:40.620 I'll jump on all the lines or avoid all the lines. I'll if there's like a little 01:50:41.260 --> 01:50:44.380 You know, I don't know what you want to call it a little flat bit 01:50:44.860 --> 01:50:50.460 Like stopping the you know dirt on a slope or something. I'll I'll try to walk on that nice 01:50:51.260 --> 01:50:55.580 Who knows nice do whatever. Oh a puddle. Yeah, totally. That's me for sure 01:50:56.620 --> 01:51:01.580 I'm about walking. I'm gonna have fun. Whatever Uh, what are we supposed to be doing? 01:51:02.300 --> 01:51:09.340 The next topic some comms comms and cw time for some checkout messages 01:51:09.580 --> 01:51:15.260 So our end of season sale is extended. Do you want to fire up LMG.gg slash end of season? 01:51:15.740 --> 01:51:21.900 We are bumping the sale to 30 off. So if there's something you've been eyeing for a while 01:51:22.220 --> 01:51:27.900 This is probably the moment to grab it. Um, we are clearing space for what's coming next 01:51:27.900 --> 01:51:32.300 Which means you can get current season gear at off season pricing 01:51:32.780 --> 01:51:38.620 Um, and then wear it now or stash it for next year or you can I mean wait and get 01:51:39.340 --> 01:51:48.460 Other stuff later either way you win. I guess you can find the sale at LMG.gg slash end of season 01:51:48.700 --> 01:51:53.500 Oh, there's only these ones left. Well, that's the thing about a clearance sale. Yeah. Yeah, so, uh 01:51:54.220 --> 01:51:56.700 If you see something here that's in your size 01:51:57.340 --> 01:52:01.260 You should probably order it now. Don't be don't be a luke 01:52:01.900 --> 01:52:05.660 Don't make that noise I guess you knew what I was gonna say 01:52:05.660 --> 01:52:11.340 I I keep I kept meaning meaning to uh request this and then I just kept forgetting to and now it's out of stock now 01:52:11.340 --> 01:52:17.660 It's gone. I actually really wanted one. The last chance sale is also still live LMG.gg slash last chance 01:52:18.380 --> 01:52:23.340 There's some really solid deals in here once these ones hit zero that's it shop the sale 01:52:23.820 --> 01:52:27.180 Before it's gone. We've got the polo shirt. We've got the dropout hoodie 01:52:27.980 --> 01:52:33.340 We've got the not a hot dog v-neck t-shirt. I like that one some bundles 01:52:33.900 --> 01:52:37.100 There's a lot of really good backpack. Wow, some of these bundles are wide now. Yeah 01:52:37.820 --> 01:52:43.660 So go check that out. Finally, we're keeping the buy more save more deal on all of our blank teas 01:52:44.060 --> 01:52:48.140 Because we get it when you find something that fits well and just works it makes sense to grab a couple 01:52:48.380 --> 01:52:52.140 Maybe in a few different colors and then call your war draw wardrobe optimized 01:52:52.220 --> 01:52:58.700 You can check it out at LMG.gg slash blank tea is buy more save more the more you buy the more you save it's girl math 01:52:59.660 --> 01:53:03.820 You know, you love it Okay, here you go 01:53:04.380 --> 01:53:12.220 Two shirts is 45 Three is 60 four is 75 is 80. Yeah. Dang. Yeah, that's a pretty good deal. Yeah 01:53:12.940 --> 01:53:16.620 High quality shirts. All right and 01:53:16.620 --> 01:53:19.980 When you're placing your order Hey, you might want to send a checkout message 01:53:20.220 --> 01:53:25.500 The way these work is you just add something to your card on lttstore.com and it will go to 01:53:26.380 --> 01:53:30.700 producer din If you guys are gonna throw money at your screen to 01:53:31.500 --> 01:53:36.620 check To check If you guys are gonna throw money at your screen to interact with us on the show 01:53:36.620 --> 01:53:40.060 We figure you might as well get high quality merchandise in return 01:53:40.460 --> 01:53:44.780 Like say for example the lawsuit hoodie that luke had out just now so in the cart 01:53:45.180 --> 01:53:50.300 You can say whether you want your name to appear or not. You can choose a color scheme and 01:53:52.700 --> 01:53:59.260 Oh my god You go ahead and place your order and it'll go to Dan who will reply to it or who will 01:53:59.740 --> 01:54:05.420 Forward it internally or who will just kind of pop it up, you know somewhere or who will curate it for me and luke 01:54:05.820 --> 01:54:08.460 On the show so want to show them a couple curated ones Dan 01:54:08.860 --> 01:54:15.500 Yeah, sure. We've got a bunch here already Last week you talked about apple headphones on Android with updates 01:54:15.820 --> 01:54:21.980 What's your take on samsung only supporting 3d spatial audio on its own headphones? 01:54:22.220 --> 01:54:24.540 I use sony and it has no support for it 01:54:25.900 --> 01:54:28.620 Generally samsung's fault generally speaking 01:54:29.420 --> 01:54:33.580 Vendor lock is not something that i'm a huge fan of 01:54:34.700 --> 01:54:41.420 However 3d spatial audio are we talking the kind where it knows where it is 01:54:42.540 --> 01:54:49.660 Relative to the position of your device. Do we know that this is samsung's fault or is this something that they specifically had to build 01:54:50.620 --> 01:54:57.420 for Like on their hardware in order to make it work. I I legitimately don't know my new pair of headphones 01:54:57.500 --> 01:55:01.820 I'm just asking spatial audio like you've described and it works with literally anything 01:55:02.060 --> 01:55:07.580 Okay But is that because they did a bunch of extra work or is it because samsung specifically? 01:55:07.660 --> 01:55:13.660 I guess what i'm asking is did samsung specifically lock it out or did they just not put in the work 01:55:16.060 --> 01:55:19.020 That I don't know that I don't know in general though 01:55:19.340 --> 01:55:25.260 No, I consider that to be a downer if they are selling these headphones as having 3d spatial audio 01:55:25.820 --> 01:55:28.940 and It only works on a samsung phone 01:55:29.900 --> 01:55:33.900 It's it's it's a pretty crummy user experience. I want to be able to 01:55:34.540 --> 01:55:43.020 I want to be able to mix and match. I don't want to have to Buy my next phone from samsung just because my headphones happen to be from samsung and I really like 3d spatial audio 01:55:43.420 --> 01:55:46.780 I don't happen to really like 3d spatial audio. So it's not a big issue for me 01:55:47.340 --> 01:55:53.420 But your mileage may certainly vary on that. I know some people like it Dan. I do you like 3d spatial audio? 01:55:53.660 --> 01:55:58.300 I have never used the feature So no, I don't need 01:55:58.620 --> 01:56:03.340 Okay Cool. I mean I have you not use the feature because you don't like it or do you 01:56:03.660 --> 01:56:07.100 I don't use it because it's I don't like it got it fine with stereo 01:56:07.340 --> 01:56:14.700 I did try one that was like 3d in a space that was kind of neat like it was kind of more 01:56:16.140 --> 01:56:18.700 Now it's kind of sounds like you're in a good room 01:56:19.340 --> 01:56:23.660 Which is a little different. Oh, yeah, but that's different like that's just like a type of it 01:56:23.900 --> 01:56:27.180 But not the like that's like your head. It's coming from speakers 01:56:27.420 --> 01:56:34.220 Yeah, but that's like a dsp thing. That's like the good old-fashioned eax. Remember eax. Yeah, we're just regressing 01:56:34.300 --> 01:56:37.900 I guess you could play around with the eax profiles in the in the 01:56:38.300 --> 01:56:45.260 train station and my music sounds worse Dude, I remember yeah, right like I'd always I'd play around with it for 30 seconds just like that 01:56:45.660 --> 01:56:49.580 And then I'd be like, well, this is stupid. I guess I'll just not use this anymore 01:56:50.060 --> 01:56:52.220 I was like, uh, pretty much. Yeah, you know 01:56:53.180 --> 01:56:58.300 Vaporwave played in a dead mall from another room and you're having in a hallucinatory episode 01:56:58.620 --> 01:57:05.100 That kind of genre before that was cool could have your mp3 player play that your mp5 player or whatever 01:57:08.460 --> 01:57:14.780 Anyone else, uh, anyone else? Yeah chat's not all excited about 3d spatial audio. That's for sure 01:57:15.340 --> 01:57:18.780 So if it's vendor locked for a feature that you think is dumb, does that matter? 01:57:19.580 --> 01:57:24.300 Oh, yeah, it still matters because it's the principle of the thing, you know 01:57:28.220 --> 01:57:31.500 Ah Yeah, like if you have like a 01:57:33.260 --> 01:57:39.180 I don't know you have a a lollipop where if you press a button and it makes it taste like cum then like 01:57:40.460 --> 01:57:43.340 Sure, most people probably don't want that 01:57:44.060 --> 01:57:51.020 But if you arbitrarily you never lock it out to only iphone users because you assume maybe they just 01:57:51.660 --> 01:57:55.340 You know like the taste of corporate dong then like 01:57:57.180 --> 01:58:03.900 That's not that's not your decision to make for them. They should Android users should be allowed to love corporate dong too. Yeah 01:58:04.860 --> 01:58:10.060 Some of them some of them for sure do I suspect that product would have a very small but extremely dedicated audience 01:58:11.020 --> 01:58:13.020 I bet it wouldn't be as small as you 01:58:18.380 --> 01:58:23.580 Could you like upload a taste profile eq your throat 01:58:31.260 --> 01:58:35.980 Just leave a couple beats there, uh, would you want another one? Yeah, anything 01:58:36.940 --> 01:58:42.460 No Look, please give us a mini networking infrastructure lesson 01:58:43.100 --> 01:58:47.980 Why is running a vpn has me gold mine, but serving video is a money pit 01:58:48.220 --> 01:58:56.220 Oh, that's actually that's actually a pretty good question Are users watching videos on a vpn and not just as bandwidth expensive? 01:58:56.860 --> 01:58:58.860 It's just not as um 01:59:00.540 --> 01:59:04.140 I don't know the I can't remember the the the vpn 01:59:04.220 --> 01:59:11.820 But there's a vpn that gives a lot of public data, which is how we figured a lot of this information out on the cost of benefit 01:59:12.780 --> 01:59:18.540 Um, what's the wind one wind scribe, but uh, oh that sounds right. Um 01:59:20.300 --> 01:59:28.940 vpn based in canada they're based in canada that's no that sounds right It was a canadian one of them correctly. Yeah wind scribe wind scribe current status. Maybe 01:59:29.900 --> 01:59:35.980 There's two users. This sounds like this looks like the right page. Um, maybe there's more information here 01:59:35.980 --> 01:59:41.180 But you can yeah, you can see the network utilization the current users and the registered users 01:59:42.220 --> 01:59:45.340 And and basically what the effective 01:59:46.380 --> 01:59:50.140 Oh Is this I feel like there might have been 01:59:51.260 --> 01:59:58.060 More information on this in the past or maybe i'm tripping or maybe there was some other way we got it, but but basically 01:59:59.420 --> 02:00:06.060 The the vibe that we got Is that it kind of seems like a lot of people turn the vpn on 02:00:07.740 --> 02:00:14.860 Put the hat on Do some pirate hat wearing things and then turn the vpn off and often turn the vpn off 02:00:15.340 --> 02:00:19.260 Pretty much all the time the average utilization of vpns 02:00:19.980 --> 02:00:26.380 Does not seem very high because the the experience of browsing with a vpn sucks. It's just constant captures 02:00:27.100 --> 02:00:33.420 Slower browsing speeds. Yeah, and unless you are wearing your tricorn hat 02:00:33.820 --> 02:00:37.580 Yeah The vast majority of the things that you do online 02:00:38.380 --> 02:00:48.300 um Unless you're really really like really trying to avoid anyone, you know fingerprinting or or creating an advertising profile for you, which i am 02:00:49.820 --> 02:00:55.180 Not convinced that most people are willing to put in the work to actively avoid 02:00:55.340 --> 02:01:01.260 Yeah, I I just I I don't see the I don't see the point of it if i'm not traveling 02:01:01.820 --> 02:01:05.180 Or like where I need to get around like a great firewall of some sort 02:01:05.980 --> 02:01:08.460 Or if i'm not downloading something sketchy 02:01:09.660 --> 02:01:17.740 I don't have my vpn on Yeah, and that's I think the vast majority of people and the huge gaps between that allow them to save a lot of money 02:01:18.140 --> 02:01:22.380 uh, there's also like I 02:01:22.780 --> 02:01:27.980 Think the quality of service is not expected to be super high to be completely honest 02:01:28.300 --> 02:01:33.660 Like if if you're watching a video and the next chunk doesn't show up, you're immediately pissed off 02:01:33.820 --> 02:01:39.900 You're immediately messaging support. You're mad. Yeah, there was a buffer. What are you talking? What is 2026? 02:01:40.220 --> 02:01:47.500 Which is fair enough But if you're using a vpn and you're torrenting something which is specifically someone said in chat is like, oh, that's a lot of data through torrents though 02:01:48.460 --> 02:01:50.540 Because because if people are mostly just pirating stuff 02:01:52.220 --> 02:01:55.180 First of all, you're probably not really staring at it the whole time it's downloading anyways 02:01:55.260 --> 02:02:00.940 And it's a torrent you're going to expect a lot of ups and downs So if a little bit of that comes from the vpn, it's probably fine 02:02:01.180 --> 02:02:05.020 So there's like the quality of service expectation is in the dirt 02:02:05.420 --> 02:02:09.820 And the amount that people are just not actually even using the service is in the dirt 02:02:10.140 --> 02:02:13.020 There's a ton of people that have subscriptions and aren't even using them 02:02:13.980 --> 02:02:19.260 If you don't have a subscription, by the way, now seems like as good an opportunity as any to talk about the 02:02:19.980 --> 02:02:23.420 Really good deal you can get on pia vpn Pia 02:02:23.420 --> 02:02:28.780 Linus tech tips link Dan do you want to throw the link in the various chats? Sure thing. Cool. Good. Oh, hey, it's you 02:02:29.340 --> 02:02:33.260 I didn't know this was like our own thing. Yeah Look at him 02:02:33.260 --> 02:02:37.740 Look at that. Linus tech tips fans save more with pia vpn. You don't even have to be a fan to save more 02:02:37.740 --> 02:02:41.980 You can just click this link. That's true. You could hate me and still save more. That's true 02:02:42.220 --> 02:02:51.020 Yep But yeah, it seems to just be that people's usage of vpns is really low and we we talked to a couple people in the industry we 02:02:52.140 --> 02:02:58.380 We poked around that I think it was wind scribe and a few other different sites that were like very transparent about things 02:02:59.180 --> 02:03:01.180 And we were like, oh wow people really 02:03:02.460 --> 02:03:08.300 Don't be using this too much compared to the amount of like actually, you know currently registered users connected users 02:03:08.460 --> 02:03:13.660 It was very interesting to see the connected users versus network utilization 02:03:14.060 --> 02:03:20.540 And the registered versus connected users I I don't remember but I think we figured out someone got the gi joe reference. Yeah 02:03:20.620 --> 02:03:26.540 For some reason pia in my head just always sounds like gi joe, but it's pia. I don't know why 02:03:27.420 --> 02:03:29.420 I do that all the time 02:03:32.140 --> 02:03:37.100 Yeah, see that's that's what people do with nps. They download something real quick and then they stop using it for a month 02:03:38.620 --> 02:03:47.020 I Don't know how many people understand what we're talking about right now. I only care about the people who get the reference 02:03:47.820 --> 02:03:51.420 Everybody else can leave. I want to be alone with them bottom massage machine go 02:04:00.540 --> 02:04:05.260 Yeah, so but it basically what we learned was a lot of people pay for it 02:04:05.580 --> 02:04:08.940 Yeah, a lot of people pay a decent amount for it. Yeah 02:04:09.660 --> 02:04:16.220 And a lot of people Don't really use it that much whereas Floatplane. I think our usage is actually pretty high usage is pretty high 02:04:16.460 --> 02:04:19.660 Every subscription service you're gonna have I don't remember what they call it 02:04:19.740 --> 02:04:24.620 But people who have subscribed and are basically dead accounts where they just like they don't check their credit card that much 02:04:24.700 --> 02:04:28.300 And they've just been paying but they don't actually use the service every service has that 02:04:28.620 --> 02:04:35.100 R seems to have a lot of active users. I'm not complaining about that at all. It's almost like we it's almost like we advocate for 02:04:35.340 --> 02:04:40.300 You know not wasting your money. I would rather you did. I want you to use Floatplane. I want you to enjoy it 02:04:41.260 --> 02:04:45.500 and But vpns are kind of it feels like the opposite end of the spectrum 02:04:45.580 --> 02:04:49.500 Yeah, I had someone make a comment to me that the smash champs business model 02:04:50.380 --> 02:04:57.340 Will probably struggle from the people who buy the annual premium membership and play like six seven days a week 02:04:57.340 --> 02:05:01.820 I'm like bro. No, that's what we want. Yeah, we want people here every day 02:05:01.900 --> 02:05:06.220 We want we want this to be a community vpns are also and I mean 02:05:07.340 --> 02:05:11.900 Like all of them as far as I know, so I'm not signaling any of them out and I do think I'm actually talking about paa 02:05:12.300 --> 02:05:15.580 It's way more expensive to subscribe for one month 02:05:16.060 --> 02:05:22.700 Compared to subscribing for longer periods of time. Well, yeah So if you at least totally makes sense the business model totally makes sense 02:05:22.860 --> 02:05:26.700 But it creates a situation where it's like if you didn't use a vpn at all that month 02:05:27.580 --> 02:05:30.700 But you might next month You don't really want to cancel it 02:05:30.700 --> 02:05:34.780 So a lot of people would just have vpn subscriptions Even if they don't use it for four or five months at a time 02:05:34.940 --> 02:05:42.940 And then you might have a spike in usage where they're like I'm going to download a ton of stuff and they connect it and do a ton of torrents and download things overnight or whatever 02:05:42.940 --> 02:05:46.700 Every Linux iso like we're doing the Linux challenge right now. So we needed so many Linux 02:05:46.700 --> 02:05:49.660 I had to download every single Linux iso and every version 02:05:50.140 --> 02:05:53.020 Yeah, every season. Yep of popo 02:05:53.740 --> 02:05:59.980 But but yeah, mulvad has flat billing that's cool. I don't know 02:06:00.540 --> 02:06:04.780 Like some of them are big like game of mint has like so many seasons 02:06:10.860 --> 02:06:14.780 That's cool that they have flat pricing archerton, but arch very nice 02:06:15.820 --> 02:06:20.700 But but yeah, it's it's very common that people don't want to cancel because now they might need it or 02:06:21.260 --> 02:06:24.620 Even if say the mulvad thing where apparently they have flat pricing, which is neat 02:06:26.300 --> 02:06:29.580 Even then you might not want to cancel because yeah, you're gonna have to go subscribe again 02:06:29.580 --> 02:06:32.780 If you need it and you might need it next week or something. So I'll just leave it 02:06:32.780 --> 02:06:36.940 It's only like five bucks. There's a lot of the I'll just leave it going on with vpn 02:06:37.020 --> 02:06:42.620 I've had an active subscription to paa in spite of the fact that they're like an affiliate of ours for like 02:06:43.260 --> 02:06:47.420 10 years or something like that because it's just more convenient to just kind of have it. Yeah 02:06:48.140 --> 02:06:53.660 Um fire cat speaking of convenience decided it was more convenient to type this into 02:06:54.700 --> 02:06:59.100 chat instead of into A search engine 02:06:59.100 --> 02:07:02.140 So I save them the work. Yes paa works on Linux 02:07:04.860 --> 02:07:09.420 That's that's one that I I have a real hard time wrapping my brain around. Um 02:07:10.460 --> 02:07:13.660 But there you go. You got your answer and you got noticed so 02:07:14.540 --> 02:07:18.860 It's double accomplishment. I feel like it's beginning. He's slowly becoming a Linux, bro 02:07:19.420 --> 02:07:23.740 Me? Yeah, hold on. Hold on. Don't make me pull this out. Why did you read them? 02:07:23.980 --> 02:07:28.300 Just send them a link to the wiki. Don't make me pull this out. Don't make me pull this out 02:07:29.180 --> 02:07:36.860 What is this bad now? What is this? Is it just not hgbs? I don't think it's hcbs certificate date invalid 02:07:37.420 --> 02:07:39.420 Oof 02:07:43.340 --> 02:07:45.340 It's probably fine 02:07:46.380 --> 02:07:50.380 I won't let them see me do it. It's probably oh no normally uses encryption 02:07:50.860 --> 02:07:56.460 When chrome tried to connect to it for you the website sent back unusual and incorrect credentials 02:07:57.580 --> 02:08:03.580 Um You cannot visit it right now. Oh wait, why is it dot app? 02:08:04.300 --> 02:08:13.020 What the heck just happened? Oh, did you get sponsor linked? Is it dot app? No, it's not sponsored. Has it always been dot app? 02:08:14.540 --> 02:08:16.540 Shut up 02:08:20.460 --> 02:08:35.020 Dude, it's been years since I've tried to use this Okay, is it just let me let me google that.com. No, this is also just let me google that 02:08:37.420 --> 02:08:39.740 Let me google that.com. I'll share my screen. Wait 02:08:42.460 --> 02:08:45.100 Let me google that.com interesting. Let me 02:08:45.980 --> 02:08:50.620 Google that for you.com here. Hold on. I'm coming back to me for a second here 02:08:51.340 --> 02:08:57.820 Also goes to lmgtfy.com and also has the uh certificate invalid issue 02:08:58.540 --> 02:09:00.540 Go figure. All right 02:09:02.140 --> 02:09:06.700 Anyway, yeah, so this is what it does if you're not familiar is it just puts up a little cursor and then 02:09:07.580 --> 02:09:09.580 Types it for you and then oh interesting 02:09:12.220 --> 02:09:15.180 It still shows the sponsored results though in spite of being 02:09:15.660 --> 02:09:19.340 Whatever g private is have you never heard of g private? 02:09:19.820 --> 02:09:23.020 What is g private? Are we on are we on a little side quest? 02:09:25.020 --> 02:09:30.780 Simple untracked private search google search, but it's 100 private learn more 02:09:32.540 --> 02:09:36.940 Okay Take our word for it or like 02:09:37.180 --> 02:09:39.180 Well 02:09:40.700 --> 02:09:46.220 Like what what what what is this I have no idea committed to protecting your privacy 02:09:47.260 --> 02:09:54.380 add affiliate disclosure James Lacey of the shop wise group is owner of g private.com 02:09:55.980 --> 02:09:58.300 Okay, all right cool 02:09:59.900 --> 02:10:04.060 Here's this postal code Sure. Oh boy 02:10:04.060 --> 02:10:08.380 Well, no, this is right. It's right on the site. It's in the privacy page right there 02:10:09.100 --> 02:10:11.660 I I didn't I that's probably a p.o. Box 02:10:12.540 --> 02:10:14.540 sure 02:10:16.140 --> 02:10:18.940 All right, should we maybe do some topics nope 02:10:20.300 --> 02:10:26.460 Wikipedia Has blocked archive.today and started removing 02:10:26.940 --> 02:10:32.540 Over 690,000 archive links from the pedia 02:10:33.420 --> 02:10:37.660 Um citing security risks and reliability issues 02:10:38.380 --> 02:10:44.060 The decision followed reports that archive.today's operator. This is freaking wild 02:10:44.060 --> 02:10:47.420 Like I I've used archive today to get past paywalls before 02:10:47.900 --> 02:10:50.700 Because I just want to read that one article and I'm sorry. I'm not 02:10:51.500 --> 02:10:53.500 I think a lot of people use it for that 02:10:56.220 --> 02:11:01.660 Yeah, that's a self decided totally okay. Um and and I mean look 02:11:03.340 --> 02:11:05.740 I actually I'm not going to argue that that one's okay 02:11:06.380 --> 02:11:12.860 Because a huge part of the decay of the quality of our journalism has been people's unwillingness to pay for it 02:11:13.100 --> 02:11:18.700 Yeah, but it is pretty tough when I came across one article. I wanted to read on a site 02:11:19.660 --> 02:11:22.700 in the last year 02:11:22.700 --> 02:11:27.980 And this is the first one and I'm just like Yeah, I don't know. I don't think that's going to happen today. So 02:11:28.860 --> 02:11:35.820 archive today Sometimes that's what happens today is something that I have used and looking at this 02:11:35.980 --> 02:11:41.100 I am now deeply uncomfortable ever using it again. Let's talk about that 02:11:41.980 --> 02:11:46.780 The operator embedded malicious code into captcha pages 02:11:47.500 --> 02:11:52.460 Allegedly using visitors web traffic to help generate a ddos attack 02:11:52.940 --> 02:11:57.180 Against a blog called gyro veg run by janny 02:11:57.660 --> 02:12:03.580 Patokalio who published research about the background of the operator behind the archive 02:12:05.100 --> 02:12:10.220 Editors also reported that some archived snapshots. This is actually 02:12:11.420 --> 02:12:15.180 Okay, we could probably have a really long conversation 02:12:15.820 --> 02:12:17.820 About which of these things are worse 02:12:18.860 --> 02:12:28.380 And I don't think there's a wrong answer Yeah, but I feel on my initial reaction that this next part is actually worse 02:12:29.660 --> 02:12:38.620 Editors also reported and we're talking wikipedia editors. Oh, yeah that some of the archived snapshots on archive dot today were altered 02:12:39.180 --> 02:12:47.100 Including a case where the credited author of a blog post was reportedly changed within an archived capture 02:12:48.060 --> 02:12:56.060 This Combined with an absolutely bonkers set of threats made from the operator toward janny patokalio 02:12:57.100 --> 02:13:01.100 Including the threat of a gyro veg branded gay dating app 02:13:02.060 --> 02:13:08.060 Made wikipedia editors determined that the service posed reputational and security risks 02:13:08.060 --> 02:13:13.100 Which when I first read just the subject line of this happening not in not in the whandock 02:13:13.100 --> 02:13:16.700 I read this a bit ago, but when I when I read the subject line of this happening 02:13:16.700 --> 02:13:22.060 I was like what that sucks and then I read more into it. I was like, whoa, that makes a lot of sense 02:13:23.100 --> 02:13:29.660 This is really important Archive dot today is not the internet archive. Yeah, they are two different things 02:13:30.220 --> 02:13:32.540 So far the internet archive 02:13:33.260 --> 02:13:38.140 Has has not and that that includes the wayback machine has not done anything 02:13:38.540 --> 02:13:43.340 To make us question their their integrity and credibility that group. Yeah 02:13:44.220 --> 02:13:47.900 archive today just completely 02:13:48.940 --> 02:13:53.900 Obliterated whatever goodwill they might have had because your entire your entire 02:13:54.620 --> 02:13:57.500 raison d'etre as as an archival 02:13:59.340 --> 02:14:02.540 Um Well archive damn it 02:14:02.540 --> 02:14:08.860 I painted myself into a bit of a corner there And it kind of sucks because a lot of these archive sites have been like amazing for so long 02:14:08.860 --> 02:14:16.060 Like internet archive is so based. Sorry. I didn't finish that sentence, but your entire value is that we trust you 02:14:17.260 --> 02:14:22.380 To to be an accurate record of what we otherwise might have lost. Yeah 02:14:23.020 --> 02:14:30.140 You're supposed to be Built on a rock solid foundation of truth and accuracy. That's that's the whole point 02:14:30.700 --> 02:14:36.780 Is that things are not forgotten and lost and and allowed to be obfuscated or gaslit in the future 02:14:37.260 --> 02:14:41.340 So if you're gonna do that You're cooked. Yeah 02:14:42.140 --> 02:14:48.140 Like wayback machine has been used as like hard fact for a long time. Yeah, and like yeah 02:14:49.020 --> 02:14:51.820 And it has to be that if it's anything other than that 02:14:52.540 --> 02:14:54.700 Then it's worthless now. Yeah 02:14:56.220 --> 02:14:59.740 It's rough totally understand the decision and agree with in my opinion 02:15:00.140 --> 02:15:03.180 You can't uh, you can't do those things. You can't associate with those things 02:15:03.180 --> 02:15:07.020 You can't associate with an archive that's editing data. Like it just doesn't work 02:15:07.500 --> 02:15:12.620 That's that's crazy fundamentally doesn't work Also, like I have no idea if this is the case 02:15:12.700 --> 02:15:18.460 But like I have noticed times when I go to archive a page and it seems like it's like doing a lot 02:15:18.940 --> 02:15:23.180 For a long time. I wonder if my connection was being used for a didos attack 02:15:24.140 --> 02:15:31.740 It says it was incapsis though But then like like have you ever actually tried to submit a page for archival? No, okay 02:15:32.060 --> 02:15:34.940 It does like a whole bunch of stuff which kind of 02:15:35.900 --> 02:15:41.500 And I don't I don't know the exact mechanism that it uses because I've just it's just like compressing never looked it up 02:15:41.500 --> 02:15:48.060 I've never figured it out But what I assume is that it's easier for them to grab the assets through you and have you upload to them 02:15:48.860 --> 02:15:54.140 Rather than you just flag it to them and they try to download it because they would probably get they'd probably get flagged for all 02:15:54.140 --> 02:15:59.980 The archive requests that they're doing That's that's my assumption, but I really kind of interesting now don't know that 02:16:00.460 --> 02:16:04.140 Um, but there's been times when it's taken a really long time 02:16:04.540 --> 02:16:09.420 For just like a text page and I haven't really fully understood why that would be and I wonder if 02:16:10.540 --> 02:16:14.220 If you know my my upload was used 02:16:14.860 --> 02:16:17.580 For this in some way. I don't I don't know I don't have a single clue 02:16:18.060 --> 02:16:22.220 Me neither a nip less cage asks. Why would one archive a page? 02:16:22.700 --> 02:16:32.780 So reasons to archive include Logging changes before they happen. So this has come up a lot recently with the doj in the us's publication of the epstein files 02:16:33.100 --> 02:16:39.260 There's been a lot. There's there's a huge tech conversation that somehow we have 02:16:40.140 --> 02:16:43.500 Not had around the the epstein files 02:16:44.060 --> 02:16:50.780 Around preservation of data and government censorship and government manipulation of data 02:16:51.580 --> 02:17:00.140 There's been multiple documented cases where they have made changes to either the redactions or in some cases 02:17:00.540 --> 02:17:04.620 By removing data that was originally published in order to 02:17:06.460 --> 02:17:08.460 Make it more difficult to find 02:17:11.980 --> 02:17:19.340 So yeah, that's a good reason I've done some personal archiving but I haven't submitted something for archiving like I know there was uh 02:17:19.740 --> 02:17:24.620 There was a particular video not that long ago that said some particularly disgusting things 02:17:25.180 --> 02:17:29.420 And I didn't actually want that person to be able to get away with just like pulling it down or whatever 02:17:29.980 --> 02:17:35.980 So I myself downloaded and I had multiple other people downloaded as well. I think I have that video. Yeah 02:17:36.940 --> 02:17:42.780 So like Uh, there are things like that that I've done. Yeah, but I it's it's always been a personal effort 02:17:42.780 --> 02:17:48.380 I haven't submitted for archive anything another really good reason is it can just be kind of a fun time capsule 02:17:48.620 --> 02:17:52.860 Oh, totally going and browsing NCix.com from 2005 02:17:53.980 --> 02:17:59.340 Is both fun and also educational NCx.com on the way back machine is wild. It's pretty fun 02:17:59.660 --> 02:18:03.340 And so being able to see accurate like definitely accurate 02:18:03.420 --> 02:18:06.220 Which is again why the trust is so important accurate pricing 02:18:06.700 --> 02:18:11.500 From back then being able to call back specs see how it was marketed 02:18:12.060 --> 02:18:17.260 Right, that's something that's not going to be captured on an incredible resource like tech power ups 02:18:17.740 --> 02:18:22.300 You know GPU. What what do they call it? They're like GPU. I don't know, but it's awesome index 02:18:22.940 --> 02:18:29.580 Um, but that won't be captured there. You won't see what the retail pricing was you won't see what the product photos looked like 02:18:30.460 --> 02:18:37.500 So so an archived snapshot of the site from that time is irreplaceable in that way nothing else can do that 02:18:38.220 --> 02:18:44.380 Another reason would be to circumvent paywalls. I mean I already kind of talked about that is they have their 02:18:44.860 --> 02:18:48.860 their vays of downloading the entire page and then 02:18:50.540 --> 02:18:53.820 Just making that available without any kind of like scroll to 02:18:55.260 --> 02:18:57.420 Sign up to keep reading or whatever else 02:18:58.300 --> 02:19:03.260 What do you what do you what are you up to over there? I'm loading NCx from 2005. Oh, yeah, baby 02:19:04.620 --> 02:19:08.140 Get that lexmark z705 color inkjet printer 02:19:09.260 --> 02:19:15.100 Pentium four This is man, dude. This is what i'm talking about though. Where's some RAM can I get some RAM? 02:19:16.380 --> 02:19:21.980 People people are so upset about how expensive tech is and i'm just like bro. It's like 02:19:23.180 --> 02:19:29.500 Yeah, it was always it was always expensive 512 megs for 162 bucks. Let's go 02:19:30.940 --> 02:19:35.420 Hyper x baby Get that coarser value select buddy. That's 02:19:36.220 --> 02:19:39.260 That's the move coarser value select 02:19:39.820 --> 02:19:45.900 These old kingston hyper x like blue with the with the silver like pincher things on it 02:19:46.300 --> 02:19:52.700 Those are legendary. That ain't nothing compared to my uh, my ocz platinum though one gig 02:19:53.180 --> 02:19:58.220 Get that platinum super super mirror silver heat spreader 02:20:00.300 --> 02:20:03.980 And that was uh, that was back before they were honeychuling to save on material 02:20:04.460 --> 02:20:09.340 Mushkin still exists fun fact. I know they just because of ncx. They don't in my brain 02:20:09.580 --> 02:20:14.700 Yeah, because ncx is gone They were like ncx was like my only portal to muskine products 02:20:14.780 --> 02:20:20.620 How cool would it be if we could bring back ncix.com? I'd still love to do it. They'd be pretty sick 02:20:21.260 --> 02:20:27.980 There was way back machine snapshots from 2026. What's going on on nci of ncix. Yeah, let me let me oh, no 02:20:27.980 --> 02:20:31.500 I think it's still a thing Didn't someone try to 02:20:31.500 --> 02:20:36.140 I think someone tried to bring it back January 23rd. There's a snapshot. Ew 02:20:36.540 --> 02:20:39.100 Let's see what it is. Is it just some ai junk? 02:20:40.300 --> 02:20:43.980 Oh my god. No, no, no, don't look don't look don't look. Okay. This is crazy 02:20:44.940 --> 02:20:46.940 This is this is crazy. Check this out 02:20:48.620 --> 02:20:53.260 Wait, what was that first one? Wait, what the it redirected to this? Oh, it was worse before 02:20:54.700 --> 02:20:57.420 Oh, the last one was a you. Oh wait. Yeah, there it is 02:21:00.380 --> 02:21:02.380 That's crazy 02:21:04.460 --> 02:21:09.260 Oh Man 02:21:09.740 --> 02:21:13.820 What I've never heard of this thing 02:21:14.300 --> 02:21:17.820 I mean it looks horrible It kind of does 02:21:17.820 --> 02:21:21.740 Oh, well, it looks absolutely horrible. Do you want anime bobs? 02:21:23.100 --> 02:21:25.100 What if we showed you anime bobs? 02:21:27.660 --> 02:21:32.460 Sure Gonna have my junk throw away email. Yeah 02:21:34.460 --> 02:21:42.060 This looks like an uh, no, I was I'm sorry. I'm having troubles responding right now. Please try again later 02:21:42.940 --> 02:21:47.820 a little cost-free Uh, I mean, I didn't I didn't I didn't say anything bro 02:21:49.980 --> 02:21:55.900 Ask me. Okay. Um, what would Linus think about being on this site? 02:21:57.180 --> 02:22:00.620 Uh, any enter doesn't send. Oh my god enter doesn't send 02:22:01.580 --> 02:22:06.380 Uh There's one login. It's keeper. Oh, dude 02:22:07.820 --> 02:22:09.820 Keeper on the on the two factor 02:22:10.940 --> 02:22:19.100 Enter doesn't confirm it. Oh, really? It drives me on desktop. It drives me nuts weird. Anyway, hold on. I'll increment the counter 02:22:21.100 --> 02:22:24.220 Okay, you should hold up. Oh my 02:22:25.580 --> 02:22:33.900 Oh gosh Uh, which Linus are we talking about here? We well, he definitely wouldn't use alarm or 02:22:34.780 --> 02:22:41.180 Yeah, uh emergency light emoji the Linux kernel daddy Linus torvolds would absolutely hate being on 02:22:41.740 --> 02:22:45.020 This site if it's any social media cesspool 02:22:46.140 --> 02:22:48.620 Dude straight up called is this trying to like 02:22:50.780 --> 02:22:54.460 Is this the is this the way this site thinks I would talk? 02:22:54.780 --> 02:23:01.180 Uh, I guess a disease that encourages bad behavior spills energy drink 02:23:02.060 --> 02:23:12.460 Wait, but if you mean me Linus Sebastian from LTT, I'd be like sponsor block activated, but only if they send a 4090 02:23:14.940 --> 02:23:19.340 Torvolds tried google plus once because it was less mindless, but bailed 02:23:20.300 --> 02:23:23.020 So it goes back to talking about torvolds again 02:23:23.820 --> 02:23:27.500 Yvonne's take just use FaceTime boomers 02:23:29.740 --> 02:23:38.780 Verdict This is that's brutal so stupid. That's actually just not good 02:23:43.980 --> 02:23:45.980 Yikes 02:23:47.740 --> 02:23:50.380 What the hell is Linus social opinion 02:23:51.340 --> 02:23:53.900 Uh, I don't know. What is that? 02:23:55.260 --> 02:23:57.260 Uh, is that is that on here? 02:23:58.700 --> 02:24:01.820 Linus, yeah, this is dude. This is so bad 02:24:04.540 --> 02:24:07.660 Okay, it was just redirecting to the youtube channel for a bit there 02:24:10.460 --> 02:24:15.660 That would definitely be a better thing for it to do it did that like in january, so I'm still poking around 02:24:15.820 --> 02:24:21.260 Oh, like of this year. Yeah There was there was one day. I think it was this one 02:24:22.060 --> 02:24:26.620 Let's see. It's on the 23rd Yeah, youtube 02:24:26.780 --> 02:24:32.620 That's definitely a better place for it to go than this hot garbage. It's back to it's back to garbage 02:24:32.700 --> 02:24:35.180 There's a bunch of snapshots in 2025. What was going on here? 02:24:36.220 --> 02:24:39.740 There this one three snapshots in one day. What was happening? 02:24:39.980 --> 02:24:41.980 I 02:24:43.820 --> 02:24:47.900 Really wish that oh, yeah, this is just the domain being available page. I think 02:24:48.700 --> 02:24:56.300 Or like being for sale or something. Oh man. So does that mean that whoever this chatify life.ai has acquired it now then 02:24:57.660 --> 02:25:03.420 That would be really disappointing because I would I would have loved to buy it and resurrect it, but 02:25:04.620 --> 02:25:07.340 I just yeah, there's a buy this domain thing. Yeah 02:25:07.820 --> 02:25:10.300 Okay, well, that's a shame 02:25:14.060 --> 02:25:17.500 The owner of ncx.com is offering it for sale for an asking price of 02:25:18.780 --> 02:25:24.540 One million dollars. So I was aware of that which is why I didn't buy it 02:25:24.940 --> 02:25:29.820 Yeah, screw that. It was worth a fraction of that. The meme is not worth that. Yeah 02:25:30.380 --> 02:25:36.460 There's there's I'm like, I'm sorry, but it's been way too long. No one really cares anymore except for crystal says no 02:25:36.460 --> 02:25:40.780 It's still for sale For a million dollars well 02:25:41.580 --> 02:25:46.620 Which might as well mean it's not are there services where you can like lease redirecting 02:25:47.820 --> 02:25:55.740 Because that kind of makes probably So you find like yeah, no, that's got to be a thing right you find parts domains and you just like part domains 02:25:55.740 --> 02:26:02.380 Like get a little bit of traffic. Yeah, because ncx would for sure get a little bit of traffic. Yeah, people are saying. Yes people are saying. Yes. Yeah 02:26:03.820 --> 02:26:08.140 Okay Oh 02:26:09.020 --> 02:26:15.100 Okay, this this message from Helen Keller for 2069 is a little confusing, but I think I understand what they're saying 02:26:15.980 --> 02:26:21.980 I'm clawing back a charity website for a client that got turned into a naughty website 02:26:22.620 --> 02:26:26.860 Oh a clawing back aid. So yeah, a charity website that existed and was a thing 02:26:27.420 --> 02:26:33.100 And the client who owned it had it turned into a naughty website so that they could just like steal traffic 02:26:33.180 --> 02:26:37.820 That's yeah, oof. That's rough That's rough 02:26:37.820 --> 02:26:45.180 Do y'all own the ncix youtube channel? No. So the ownership of all the ncix intellectual property is 02:26:46.940 --> 02:26:54.060 Complicated which is one of the big reasons why we haven't made a real serious written offer for it 02:26:54.540 --> 02:27:01.900 because the original owner of it has a version in his mind of who owns it 02:27:02.620 --> 02:27:10.620 and the creditors After the bankruptcy have a version in their mind of who owns it and 02:27:12.380 --> 02:27:20.700 They don't necessarily agree and somehow the domain and trademark and youtube channel 02:27:21.660 --> 02:27:26.140 were not Resolved at the time of the bankruptcy 02:27:27.100 --> 02:27:34.300 So we have in the past approached the the group that handled the bankruptcy 02:27:34.940 --> 02:27:38.300 on behalf of the creditors and said 02:27:38.300 --> 02:27:43.340 Hey, so You guys didn't like get this. So if we buy it 02:27:44.060 --> 02:27:51.420 Do you Do you Commit not to pretend that it's yours because you like never got it and they're like 02:27:52.220 --> 02:27:58.140 We're not even going to look into that Which basically is a big problem for us 02:27:58.700 --> 02:28:02.620 That's not interesting enough for us right now. Once you guys make it a very popular domain again 02:28:03.500 --> 02:28:05.900 Then it will become suddenly interesting for us again 02:28:06.940 --> 02:28:10.620 Yeah, so it's it's untouchable. So it kind of it kind of is 02:28:11.420 --> 02:28:14.460 Is doomed to rot forever 02:28:15.260 --> 02:28:20.940 Um Unless the owner allowed it to lapse maybe and we sniped it 02:28:21.260 --> 02:28:23.580 But even then the trademark could be 02:28:24.940 --> 02:28:28.620 Could be a problem I don't even know that for sure 02:28:28.620 --> 02:28:31.020 I didn't know there was someone on the acx channel that I didn't know 02:28:32.460 --> 02:28:35.420 I don't recognize this guy. Oh, oh shoot. Um 02:28:37.980 --> 02:28:41.900 I think he's uh, he's someone's brother. Oh, okay. Yeah 02:28:42.860 --> 02:28:48.940 Is that Oh, wait. Well, I don't want to like dox him. Yeah, I know. I mean he's someone's brother probably 02:28:49.580 --> 02:28:51.580 Like statistically speaking 02:28:53.260 --> 02:28:55.260 If anyone he's in a few of them. Yeah 02:28:56.940 --> 02:28:58.940 I want to say 02:29:02.940 --> 02:29:04.940 Thumbnails were pretty good 02:29:08.140 --> 02:29:11.180 I did stuff for a long time. I must have really not been paying attention at the end there 02:29:12.460 --> 02:29:14.460 Makes sense. We kind of have a lot going on 02:29:16.140 --> 02:29:19.900 Oh, here we go Uh 02:29:19.900 --> 02:29:23.580 His name is Barrett Got it 02:29:23.580 --> 02:29:27.340 cool Yeah, he's Luke's brother 02:29:27.340 --> 02:29:31.660 Yeah Cool Let's go with that. Yeah one lost 02:29:33.100 --> 02:29:36.700 He actually did some work for us at one point. I think. Oh really really nice guy. Yeah, cool 02:29:37.660 --> 02:29:42.780 Uh Floatplane announcement Uh, but couldn't come to whale land. Well, guess what? 02:29:43.260 --> 02:29:48.140 We released a vlog featuring Sammy's very first land experiencing 02:29:49.740 --> 02:29:53.420 Here's the vlog it includes very normal things like a firetruck 02:29:54.300 --> 02:29:57.580 That's for gaming. See see all the gaming happening in the back of the fire truck 02:29:57.580 --> 02:30:01.820 There is a lot of gaming happening in the back. There's actually a lot of gaming happening elsewhere on the fire truck 02:30:01.820 --> 02:30:04.540 I'm not going to spoil the entire fire truck video 02:30:05.100 --> 02:30:07.660 But there's there's a lot of like pretty 02:30:08.380 --> 02:30:14.140 Pretty wild fire truck things that happen that involve gaming and whatnot. Oh, that's not on the fire truck 02:30:14.220 --> 02:30:19.180 But whale land whale land was pretty cool. A lot of cool stuff at whale land. You should check out the vlog 02:30:19.660 --> 02:30:25.180 Oh, yeah, Floatplane audiences loving this one so far with the 300 to 1 like dislike ratio. Nice 02:30:26.140 --> 02:30:29.660 Uh small cameos from bringus studios and dank pods 02:30:30.220 --> 02:30:34.300 And Linus doing the thing What does that mean? 02:30:35.260 --> 02:30:37.260 Oh, did you drop something? 02:30:39.180 --> 02:30:43.420 Just happened it was just at the end of the video already. Yep. Yeah, there it goes 02:30:45.420 --> 02:30:48.140 All right, thank you. Thank you for that Sammy. That's very helpful 02:30:49.980 --> 02:30:53.900 Check it out at LMG.gg slash fp wan 02:30:55.980 --> 02:31:00.220 Nice all right Oh 02:31:00.220 --> 02:31:02.720 We're supposed to do sponsors now. Okay. The show is brought to you by vessie 02:31:03.260 --> 02:31:07.100 James from the business team said he owes me an apology and also a thank you 02:31:07.740 --> 02:31:10.700 Oh a few weeks ago. 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It's very annoying 02:33:31.260 --> 02:33:33.260 So I bought a thing from them 02:33:34.780 --> 02:33:40.940 Bluetooth Five millimeter. Are you sure you want to just type that in Floatplane chat and hope someone else will know what it is 02:33:43.980 --> 02:33:48.060 One of these jobbers I got one of these and it it's been great 02:33:48.380 --> 02:33:54.540 Nice You just the the usb is just for power and then the bluetooth thing is just in the like top of the usb plug 02:33:54.620 --> 02:33:59.260 Makes sense and then my car has a usb and an aux right next to each other in the 02:33:59.900 --> 02:34:04.620 like center console thing and what i'll do is 02:34:05.100 --> 02:34:08.060 My phone can connect to two bluetooths at the same time 02:34:09.180 --> 02:34:14.300 So my phone will automatically connect to this which is a worst experience because I can't 02:34:15.020 --> 02:34:20.060 Take calls nicely over it and I can't do all the controls that I would like to do through the car 02:34:20.300 --> 02:34:25.740 But it will automatically connect to this and work immediately and then I'll notice some audio oddities 02:34:25.980 --> 02:34:30.860 And when that happens I just go bunk bunk bunk on the on the steering wheel and go to normal bluetooth 02:34:30.860 --> 02:34:34.940 And then everything works great That is a very clutchy fix, but I'm glad that you're happy. It's 02:34:36.060 --> 02:34:41.340 It is clutchy, but it like makes me happy in a weird way. Yeah, and I'm glad. Yeah, yeah 02:34:42.300 --> 02:34:47.820 It's great 18 bucks and there is no gaps in being able to connect my phone to mccarno 02:34:48.380 --> 02:34:51.900 Which is awesome It's sweet 02:34:51.900 --> 02:34:58.620 Cool, just go aftermarket radio eventually sure, but this was $18 and it immediately solved it. It was great 02:34:58.940 --> 02:35:03.900 That's terrific. I liked it. Um 02:35:06.140 --> 02:35:09.340 This is a extremely not planned topic and it's not even really a topic 02:35:09.340 --> 02:35:13.340 But I just decided to check out steam charts for some reason. I was like, I wonder what people are really doing 02:35:13.420 --> 02:35:16.540 So that's what you do on the show when you're not listening to me talk or talking 02:35:16.940 --> 02:35:19.180 You're doing an ad spot. There's not much for me to do 02:35:20.060 --> 02:35:26.860 Um and two things three things really stood out to me one our graders is still destroying. This is crazy 02:35:27.260 --> 02:35:34.460 Wow That's that's actually wild 170,000 people on our graders. It's almost like people wanted an extraction shooter 02:35:34.540 --> 02:35:37.020 That's slightly less of a giant piece of shit 02:35:37.980 --> 02:35:44.540 Yeah, 5m. I was like, what's that even I've never heard of that. It's just uh, uh, like mod things 02:35:44.620 --> 02:35:49.180 So people can play gta online So there's still that many people playing gta online 02:35:49.420 --> 02:35:53.580 Wow wild and then I saw a bongo cat and I still can't fully tell what this even is 02:35:53.580 --> 02:35:57.660 Baku Baku Donk donk donk donk. It seems like 02:35:58.620 --> 02:36:05.020 It just like sits on your taskbar and as you type like things happen. That's a bonsai buddy. Yeah 02:36:05.660 --> 02:36:12.780 How is so they're typing a notepad and it just goes Bunk bunk bunk bunk and then it like records bonsai buddy. Still a thing all these years later 02:36:13.660 --> 02:36:18.300 I don't know but look at this Overwhelmingly positive reviews 02:36:18.780 --> 02:36:26.060 22,000 of them. How much does this cost? Uh, oh, it's free. It's free. Okay. That makes a little bit more sense. That explains a lot, but are there 02:36:26.940 --> 02:36:30.220 Oh, it's one of those. It's banana game 02:36:31.740 --> 02:36:36.300 I should just scroll down It's just banana game 02:36:37.980 --> 02:36:42.140 Okay All right 02:36:42.300 --> 02:36:44.780 Sounds good. Well, that was a fun side quest. Yeah 02:36:46.380 --> 02:36:49.500 Okay Donut Labs 02:36:49.900 --> 02:36:55.340 Based in Finland Claims to have made a solid state EV battery. Oh 02:36:56.140 --> 02:37:02.860 They recently announced they've created this holy grail of battery tech after only being founded in 2024 02:37:03.180 --> 02:37:06.540 Wow, for those wondering solid state batteries pretty cool 02:37:07.100 --> 02:37:09.980 The idea is that they replace the flammable 02:37:10.380 --> 02:37:18.460 Highly combustible liquid electrolyte used in lithium ion batteries with a solid substance that is capable of higher energy density 02:37:18.860 --> 02:37:22.620 And faster charging. Uh, I think also they're supposed to be lighter 02:37:22.700 --> 02:37:29.420 But I guess that's another way of saying higher energy density Um, historically though, they have been very difficult to manufacture 02:37:30.220 --> 02:37:39.260 This technology has been researched to pretty much no avail for decades with EV manufacturers pumping money into it hand over fist 02:37:39.740 --> 02:37:44.220 Toyota's advanced battery research for instance has 13 and a half billion 02:37:44.380 --> 02:37:47.580 That's what the be of funding with a focus on solid state 02:37:49.420 --> 02:37:54.300 So that's exciting Except that there are some, um 02:37:55.180 --> 02:38:00.220 skeptics Donut Labs has responded to skepticism with the 02:38:01.020 --> 02:38:07.740 I do do not believe series where the company is sharing third party test results with the independent 02:38:08.300 --> 02:38:10.860 VTT technical research center of finland 02:38:11.660 --> 02:38:15.820 However, following VTT's fast charge performance test 02:38:16.380 --> 02:38:22.460 Xeroth a youtuber with a phd in electric propulsion whose master's thesis was about solid state batteries 02:38:22.860 --> 02:38:25.660 Cast further doubts on the product in his video called 02:38:26.140 --> 02:38:30.780 testing the world's first solid state battery. I'm not going to 02:38:31.340 --> 02:38:36.460 Um, tell you everything that he says in his video because you should really just go watch it. It's a really good video 02:38:36.540 --> 02:38:39.580 I've heard it. Yeah, I haven't seen it. I've heard it's fantastic 02:38:39.580 --> 02:38:43.180 But there are a few important things to point out. He says that 02:38:43.660 --> 02:38:47.100 VTT's test results what oh did he actually say this part? 02:38:47.340 --> 02:38:56.300 I'm not sure if he said this part, but I was reading about it as well So now I'm getting his video and my reading a little bit confused. So let's not say where I got what but here's something 02:38:56.300 --> 02:38:58.300 That's really important 02:39:00.140 --> 02:39:02.140 The 02:39:03.820 --> 02:39:08.940 Yeah, the uh, yes, so the technical research center VTT technical research center says 02:39:09.580 --> 02:39:14.460 We tested the provided solid state battery from donut Labs 02:39:14.460 --> 02:39:18.220 I forget if they like actually put it in quotes or like how they worded it 02:39:18.220 --> 02:39:23.820 But basically they worded it in such a way the solid state was a name instead of a thing that they're saying 02:39:24.460 --> 02:39:27.340 What donut Labs says they sent them? 02:39:27.980 --> 02:39:31.180 But they are not they have not actually been tasked 02:39:31.660 --> 02:39:38.540 With confirming proving that it is in fact solid state and they have not done any destructive testing on it 02:39:38.860 --> 02:39:44.780 So in a way, it's it's kind of wild. It's like if I it's like if I made a okay 02:39:45.100 --> 02:39:49.980 Let's say that LTT's true spec cables. Let's say they were crap hypothetically 02:39:50.860 --> 02:39:54.140 But I called them true spec cable 02:39:55.020 --> 02:39:58.860 And then I sent them to some third party validation lab 02:39:59.340 --> 02:40:03.900 And had them test something like kind of unrelated to the speed they run at for instance 02:40:04.460 --> 02:40:09.340 And I was like, yeah, did you guys can test the the bending radius or something voltage drop 02:40:09.820 --> 02:40:17.340 And then if that test lab were to say We tested LTT true spec cables and found that the bend radius is this much 02:40:18.780 --> 02:40:21.580 It's kind of like credibility washing 02:40:22.700 --> 02:40:30.380 If that makes sense for sure in a way Because VTT never actually says it's a solid state battery, but they like 02:40:31.100 --> 02:40:37.500 tested The donut solid state battery. So I forget whether that came up in my reading or whether that was in the video 02:40:37.500 --> 02:40:40.140 But that was that was pretty important 02:40:40.780 --> 02:40:48.060 Um, he also found that the voltage curve and fast charging graphs looked very close to a lithium ion cell 02:40:48.940 --> 02:40:53.420 Um, also found that while the energy density actually seemed like good 02:40:53.980 --> 02:41:01.260 It wasn't what donut initially claimed And then there was something that he brought up that i'm not actually sure if is an actual issue 02:41:01.820 --> 02:41:06.620 But that is that uh, they reached uh during their testing they reached a 90 degree Celsius 02:41:07.100 --> 02:41:12.220 safety limit And they had to apply another heat sink in order to do the charge test again 02:41:12.220 --> 02:41:17.100 And I think it was like 11c charging rate But from my understanding that might be a ZTT 02:41:17.740 --> 02:41:20.780 Safety protocol based on other battery chemistry 02:41:20.860 --> 02:41:25.100 So that might not actually mean that they were sure that this thing was going to combust sure 02:41:25.580 --> 02:41:30.220 But if xeroth is right that this thing seems to just actually be like 02:41:30.540 --> 02:41:34.140 Maybe a good one, but just a lithium cell of some sort 02:41:34.460 --> 02:41:40.140 Then VTT was very smart to have their safety testing protocol because theoretically 02:41:40.620 --> 02:41:44.940 Donut Labs claimed that with their solid state battery, and I'm using quotes here 02:41:45.660 --> 02:41:50.140 Had an operating temperature that was safe of up to 100 degrees Celsius. So 02:41:51.740 --> 02:41:55.900 Or something like or maybe more I can't remember but more than 90 was what they claimed 02:41:56.860 --> 02:42:03.980 Uh, no not zip-tie tuning different thing different thing. Oh, sorry. Did I say ZTT VTT VTT technical research center of finland? 02:42:05.020 --> 02:42:12.300 Yeah, not zip-tie tuning. Yeah, I mean they're they're cool, but yeah, um unrelated to this. I um, what would be super based? 02:42:13.740 --> 02:42:16.700 Uh, yes, they should just bring xeroth out 02:42:18.460 --> 02:42:23.180 I Think they would I think they would rather 02:42:24.540 --> 02:42:30.620 Continue to trickle out information so they get to enjoy because I wouldn't have talked about them if it wasn't for their 02:42:31.100 --> 02:42:34.540 Back and forth with the community about the veracity of their claims 02:42:34.540 --> 02:42:38.940 They first showed up on my radar when they were making fantastical claims about this cell at cds 02:42:40.060 --> 02:42:45.740 Yeah, they're clearly Riding this but and I'm and I'm taking the bait luke 02:42:46.380 --> 02:42:49.900 I'm taking the bait because it is more important to me 02:42:50.540 --> 02:42:54.540 to Say hey this thing that everyone's talking about 02:42:55.100 --> 02:42:58.780 Hold on a second. There are people who are talking about how maybe we shouldn't be talking about it 02:42:59.340 --> 02:43:05.020 Then it is to not talk about it. I will la la la la until people like xeroth who are 02:43:05.580 --> 02:43:10.380 Genuinely third party and have nothing to do with that company or not compensate about that company in any way 02:43:10.460 --> 02:43:13.580 And we're able to freely get it on their own are able to check it out 02:43:14.300 --> 02:43:18.060 Because what's the first I'll be interested or not. What's the first product that it's supposed to go in? 02:43:18.060 --> 02:43:21.100 It's like a motorcycle or something, right? No, sure. Um 02:43:23.260 --> 02:43:25.260 Donut Labs 02:43:28.940 --> 02:43:30.940 Donut lab motors batteries 02:43:38.220 --> 02:43:40.220 Okay, well I 02:43:43.900 --> 02:43:47.900 Can't find what it's supposed to what it's supposed to go in if it is real that's fantastic 02:43:48.060 --> 02:43:52.300 And if it's not that's not surprising and uh, we'll see how it goes 02:43:53.900 --> 02:43:57.340 Oh, okay, apparently I am apparently I'm correct. Wiley giraffe says yes 02:43:57.420 --> 02:44:01.100 It's supposed to go in a motorcycle within a couple of months. That's their claim 02:44:01.660 --> 02:44:04.860 Cool. It's apparently called the verge motorcycle 02:44:07.020 --> 02:44:11.980 Here it is. Oh my god, just no that like oh 02:44:13.260 --> 02:44:23.740 For crying out loud, uh, sure 600 kilometer range in a in an electric motorcycle would be wild 02:44:24.460 --> 02:44:30.780 Yeah All of this would be wild if this could ever actually happen like what if I try to book a test drive? 02:44:32.220 --> 02:44:36.620 Uh, whatever you're not even I'm over it. Yeah 02:44:36.860 --> 02:44:39.420 I just don't think I I don't think I'm ever gonna do uh 02:44:40.380 --> 02:44:44.940 I don't think I'm ever gonna do a An electric motorcycle. I mean ever is a big word, but I just 02:44:45.740 --> 02:44:47.740 Yeah, I don't I don't think I'm ever gonna do it 02:44:49.900 --> 02:44:51.900 Um 02:44:57.100 --> 02:45:02.940 Hey, what do you want to talk about next? Uh, do what's in the dock? 02:45:05.500 --> 02:45:07.740 ShortCircuit sure fine 02:45:09.820 --> 02:45:13.740 I didn't get to see the video. I don't even know what happened. I never saw the video 02:45:14.140 --> 02:45:20.780 Which is part of the problem. Yeah earlier this week one of our channels ShortCircuit published a video on a water bottle 02:45:21.100 --> 02:45:25.500 That made some let's call them bold health claims. Yeah 02:45:26.220 --> 02:45:28.220 A type of product we'd talk about on 02:45:30.620 --> 02:45:34.380 We'd like to first and foremost we'd like to first and foremost 02:45:35.020 --> 02:45:40.380 Thank our community for flagging this and holding us accountable for the 02:45:41.100 --> 02:45:48.300 um Bold claims. I'm gonna call them that this bottle was making to their target market 02:45:48.860 --> 02:45:53.660 Um, the first time I heard about this was when our former community manager now 02:45:53.740 --> 02:45:57.020 He has a different role, but he still talks to the community 02:45:57.500 --> 02:46:01.740 Um messaged me when I was on a ski slope on a class trip 02:46:02.380 --> 02:46:06.940 Going hey Did you know about this video and I said 02:46:07.740 --> 02:46:12.700 Excuse me. What the fuck no Um 02:46:13.260 --> 02:46:16.780 From what I'm told in our notes here 02:46:17.420 --> 02:46:21.500 The intention of the video was meant to be a they claim piece 02:46:22.140 --> 02:46:25.020 Not agreeing or disagreeing with the product, but rather 02:46:25.820 --> 02:46:27.820 showing it, um 02:46:28.860 --> 02:46:31.660 And that clearly didn't come across 02:46:32.620 --> 02:46:36.140 and Me coming into this after the fact 02:46:36.860 --> 02:46:44.460 I am extremely frustrated at the various breakdowns that seem like they may have occurred 02:46:45.020 --> 02:46:51.900 Uh, we are in the process of an investigation. So you won't hear me saying exactly what happened because at this time 02:46:52.060 --> 02:46:55.420 I have not gotten a full post mortem. I'm not fully confirmed report 02:46:56.300 --> 02:47:00.300 What I do know is that um 02:47:00.300 --> 02:47:04.780 This outcome is not okay because it made 02:47:05.340 --> 02:47:09.340 From my understanding extremely silly claims 02:47:10.060 --> 02:47:14.380 um Like health related claims about 02:47:15.020 --> 02:47:20.780 performing hydrolysis on water in your water bottle and whatnot 02:47:21.420 --> 02:47:26.300 um So in response to this, uh, you know 02:47:27.260 --> 02:47:30.140 Appropriate flagging of this video from our community 02:47:30.460 --> 02:47:35.500 We posted the following statement on both reddit and on the ShortCircuit youtube channel. Hey everyone 02:47:35.820 --> 02:47:40.860 We've removed this short. We agree that the product wasn't framed with the level of skepticism 02:47:40.940 --> 02:47:46.620 It warranted and it was published without going through our normal technical review and leadership approval process 02:47:47.100 --> 02:47:50.700 We do not support or endorse unsubstantiated claims made by this manufacturer 02:47:50.700 --> 02:47:56.140 And we're taking steps internally to ensure our review process is consistently followed moving forward. Thanks for holding us 02:47:57.100 --> 02:48:00.300 Accountable one of the first responses I saw to this on reddit was 02:48:01.420 --> 02:48:06.140 What does that even mean it wasn't published without going through the normal technical review and leadership approval process? 02:48:06.860 --> 02:48:11.820 What do you think that means? That's Wait, really? Was that actually I think it's I think it's pretty obvious 02:48:12.860 --> 02:48:19.260 what that means It means this is real bad and I found out about it 02:48:20.380 --> 02:48:24.540 Long after the damage was done. Unfortunately, which is you know 02:48:24.620 --> 02:48:30.620 It's something that um, it's a fact of larger companies. I'm just not willing to take the fall for anymore 02:48:31.740 --> 02:48:34.620 Okay, there was a time not that long ago. Did anyone ask you to 02:48:35.340 --> 02:48:39.900 Oh, I mean on this Internally, of course not 02:48:39.900 --> 02:48:43.660 But there was a time not that long ago that the assumption is just that 02:48:45.260 --> 02:48:48.060 When something goes wrong, you know 02:48:49.500 --> 02:48:59.340 Linus is accountable Um, you know like even like you want to go way back to the statement that was made that triggered the whole 2023 drama 02:48:59.420 --> 02:49:07.020 That I didn't make But the expectation was I apologize for it. What's the what? Oh, yeah 02:49:07.740 --> 02:49:15.340 Uh, like on the tour. Yeah, okay. Yeah, and so, you know, that's something that I flatly reject at this point 02:49:15.420 --> 02:49:22.300 I'm sorry. I'm not gonna be uh As as as a spokesperson for the company I can speak on behalf of the company 02:49:22.540 --> 02:49:26.940 Yeah, that's what I was gonna say. I would still expect that but I'm not gonna fall on but I'm not gonna fall on the sword 02:49:26.940 --> 02:49:30.940 And I'm not gonna take I'm not gonna take accountability for stuff. I didn't do 02:49:32.220 --> 02:49:37.020 Anymore. Yeah I don't know if that's what people wanted 02:49:37.580 --> 02:49:39.580 I mean, it's a uh 02:49:41.500 --> 02:49:44.860 Yeah, stay the path. So this is what I'm talking about stay the path says sorry, dude 02:49:44.860 --> 02:49:47.980 This company has your name on it. You own the company everything under LTT is under you 02:49:47.980 --> 02:49:53.100 This is a company you own. This is all you and that's nice and that's your opinion, but I'm not willing to do that anymore 02:49:53.180 --> 02:50:00.460 I'm sorry. It's just not gonna happen Um, it's not it's not compatible with me continuing to do this. Let me put it that way 02:50:00.460 --> 02:50:03.820 I feel like I think there's a there's a gap happening right now where like 02:50:04.540 --> 02:50:08.460 I I think stay the paths comment is that like you have to 02:50:09.100 --> 02:50:14.300 Address it and you literally just did address it. You said there was a mistake. You said we're 02:50:15.740 --> 02:50:19.340 Addressing it. You you thanked the community for pointing it out those things happen 02:50:19.660 --> 02:50:27.180 I don't think that they're asking for you To do I don't have you seen this video of the like volleyball player the japanese volleyball player 02:50:27.580 --> 02:50:31.900 That like spiked a ball and it hit this I did see that and he does the dive 02:50:32.060 --> 02:50:37.420 Yeah, I don't think they're asking for you to dive under the net and do the apology bow 02:50:37.420 --> 02:50:40.780 I think you should keep reading chat. Okay before you keep talking 02:50:40.940 --> 02:50:44.860 I I think it's an understanding gap on both sides, but I will keep reading chat 02:50:45.020 --> 02:50:51.900 I'm also looking through I I realized that searching Linus on the Linus tech tips subreddit is a little tough, but if you do 02:50:52.460 --> 02:50:57.900 Yeah, space Linus space. It does a little bit better. I got that trick from chat last week 02:50:58.140 --> 02:51:05.340 That's a good trick I got that trick from chat last week is pretty good the the comments talking about you individually don't seem to be asking for that 02:51:05.820 --> 02:51:09.020 um Again, you have to 02:51:09.020 --> 02:51:11.260 You have to oh, okay. I'll keep looking at the chat 02:51:12.220 --> 02:51:19.420 um But yeah, just the the the the truth of the matter and this is just this is just one of those things where you don't have to 02:51:19.420 --> 02:51:24.300 Like it, but it's just going to be how it is. I think there's I think there's different levels of apology 02:51:24.300 --> 02:51:29.340 I think there's ownership of like hey, this is my company and my company made a mistake 02:51:29.740 --> 02:51:34.700 And there's here's the action the company is taking. Yeah, sure. Yeah, and and that's one thing 02:51:35.260 --> 02:51:41.100 That's no issue. I think that's I would like to think I'm still watching chat that that is what most people are asking for 02:51:41.500 --> 02:51:47.820 And I think what you're talking about is I personally and personally individually. I did this. I made this mistake 02:51:47.900 --> 02:51:53.180 I'm taking ownership for this problem. I don't think people are generally asking for that. Yeah, you should reach out more carefully 02:51:53.260 --> 02:52:01.500 I'm looking for sure um And and it's one of those things where like I said the the bottom line is I'm not going 02:52:02.460 --> 02:52:08.140 To do it anymore. I I I'm just you know, because there are cases where 02:52:08.700 --> 02:52:15.180 It really was, you know a problem that existed, you know in our in our in our in our process, right? 02:52:15.900 --> 02:52:20.460 And there are cases where over the years and it's happened many many times 02:52:20.860 --> 02:52:24.140 I have explicitly laid out how we need to do it 02:52:25.020 --> 02:52:30.940 And it hasn't been followed and we made catastrophic errors because of that and I've fallen on the sword 02:52:31.500 --> 02:52:35.980 And I'm not going to do it anymore. Yeah, but okay. My point is that I think some and I've talked to you about this before 02:52:36.140 --> 02:52:39.180 My point is that sometimes I think you just do that 02:52:39.340 --> 02:52:47.260 But like no one was looking for that or expecting that Like there will be a someone will point out something on reddit that is like a particular department. It's happened with me 02:52:47.900 --> 02:52:52.140 There's been something with like laps, which is now my thing and you've jumped on the thread 02:52:52.540 --> 02:52:57.180 And brought a lot of attention to you in association to the problem when you had nothing to do with it 02:52:57.340 --> 02:53:01.660 And I've been like bruh like let me respond. These are these are these are my people. These are my things 02:53:04.220 --> 02:53:10.460 Yeah So I don't know they might have shut up because I said stuff, but I'm not 02:53:11.100 --> 02:53:14.860 I'm I'm also I read kind of slow, so I'm trying to keep up with the chat, but it's moving kind of fast 02:53:15.420 --> 02:53:22.140 Um, but I haven't really seen A lot of it. Yeah, I can find some stuff if you need sure. I yeah, it's 02:53:23.260 --> 02:53:28.460 and whatever I'm not doing it. Sure. Yep 02:53:29.500 --> 02:53:35.420 It's just it's not it's not like I said, it's not compatible with me continuing to do this 02:53:36.140 --> 02:53:43.820 Um, and so, you know, if that means You know making changes here, then we're going to make those changes because it's not 02:53:44.860 --> 02:53:47.500 Compatible with me continuing to do this in this form 02:53:48.700 --> 02:53:55.340 Um, all right Giving every kid access to tech in the classroom 02:53:56.140 --> 02:53:58.140 Turns out that might have been a mistake 02:53:59.980 --> 02:54:07.740 This is rough dude Gen z is the first generation in history in in in recorded history 02:54:08.380 --> 02:54:12.860 to score worse on standardized testing than the earlier generation 02:54:14.060 --> 02:54:18.940 One leading factor and I have a lot of thoughts on this, but I'm reading the notes for now 02:54:18.940 --> 02:54:24.300 One leading factor, as pointed out by neuroscientist Jared Cooney Horvath via 02:54:24.300 --> 02:54:29.180 TechSpot, seems to be the negative correlation that exists between the 02:54:29.180 --> 02:54:32.740 time students spend on digital devices in school and their academic performance, 02:54:32.740 --> 02:54:39.020 the more screen exposure, the poorer the results. For the last two decades, U.S. 02:54:39.020 --> 02:54:44.420 schools have spent a total of more than 30 billion with a B dollars on laptops 02:54:44.420 --> 02:54:48.740 and tablets for students. And here's a chart showing how higher in-class 02:54:48.740 --> 02:54:53.660 computer use is correlated with significantly lower math and science 02:54:53.660 --> 02:55:03.060 performance across both high income and middle income countries. This is mind 02:55:03.060 --> 02:55:07.660 blowing. These are pretty big jumps. Now, it is very important to note, and this is 02:55:07.660 --> 02:55:13.460 one of the reasons that I am so opposed, and this comes up a lot between me and 02:55:13.460 --> 02:55:22.180 the Labs team, for instance, that I'm so opposed to non-zero y-axis. And I get it. 02:55:22.180 --> 02:55:27.620 The argument is always, hey, I'm trying to accentuate the difference to make the 02:55:27.620 --> 02:55:32.660 graph more readable. And my response is always, if you have to do that to 02:55:32.660 --> 02:55:41.020 accentuate the difference, then I guess the difference wasn't so big. I see both sides. 02:55:41.580 --> 02:55:49.500 We want to clearly indicate which one is the winner, right? Yeah. And in this case, 02:55:49.500 --> 02:55:58.380 a difference in a total score of 550 and 500 is hugely problematic. It's also 02:55:58.380 --> 02:56:03.620 weird because the top two, the bottom line is actually 480, and the bottom two, 02:56:03.620 --> 02:56:09.100 the bottom line is 470. It's off by 10. And it's also like, what do these represent? 02:56:10.060 --> 02:56:15.500 I don't know. Is this American school system or something? What is a 490? Is a 490 a C? 02:56:15.500 --> 02:56:22.220 Okay. That's a completely separate issue. But basically, that's a valid issue. 02:56:22.220 --> 02:56:33.580 I mean, it's effectively the same issue, because we're talking about what is the severity of the difference between the things. Sure. Yeah. I hate it when we mess with a y-axis, 02:56:33.580 --> 02:56:40.060 and so I will often get into it with Labs, especially around things like FPS graphs, 02:56:40.060 --> 02:56:46.860 where they're like, no, I really want to do this. And one of the most famous ones was 02:56:46.860 --> 02:56:55.820 me and Lucas around efficiency plotting. Oh, really? Because he rightly, 02:56:56.780 --> 02:57:04.060 like he kind of malicious compliance showed me what it would look like at zero, where the 02:57:04.060 --> 02:57:11.820 efficiency of basically every power supply is pretty much the same. And I was like, okay, 02:57:13.020 --> 02:57:18.940 well, how about this compromise? We show that they're all basically the same, 02:57:18.940 --> 02:57:25.420 and then we show a zoom in. Because to me, that context of, hey, they're all basically 02:57:25.500 --> 02:57:29.820 the same is actually really, really important when you're understanding that 02:57:30.460 --> 02:57:33.740 when we're looking at the difference between 80 plus silver and 80 plus gold, 02:57:34.300 --> 02:57:41.420 we really are just kind of splitting hairs here. It's not that big of a deal. But in the context 02:57:41.420 --> 02:57:47.580 of engineering a power supply, achieving that extra percent or two percent of efficiency 02:57:47.580 --> 02:57:53.260 can be a Herculean effort and cost a lot of money in the materials. And so I totally understand 02:57:53.260 --> 02:57:59.340 why you want to show, hey, they achieved something here. And you want to make your visuals readable. 02:58:00.140 --> 02:58:04.060 Anyway, I don't want to go on this side topic for too long, but the point is just that 02:58:04.620 --> 02:58:13.100 this is wild. I'm not going to say causation, but there is a pretty clear correlation that 02:58:13.100 --> 02:58:18.940 tracks consistent as well. Yeah, across fourth grade math, fourth grade science, 02:58:18.940 --> 02:58:24.220 eighth grade math, and eighth grade science. I don't know where they're finding these kids who 02:58:24.220 --> 02:58:30.300 almost never use a screen, but good on the parents. Is there schools that just have not 02:58:30.300 --> 02:58:34.700 adopted? I'm assuming. Oh, this must be in school use. That makes way more sense. Yeah, 02:58:34.700 --> 02:58:38.300 yeah, this is in school use. It says right on it. It sure does. 02:58:42.460 --> 02:58:45.660 Where's the source for this? People are asking for the source here. I think it's from TechSpot. 02:58:46.540 --> 02:58:56.300 Here you go. So TechSpot interviewed the dude, and here's the, yeah, here you go. 02:58:56.300 --> 02:59:00.540 The Trends in International Mathematics and Science Study, or TIMS. 02:59:02.860 --> 02:59:11.260 Freakin' wild. However, lots and lots and lots of other factors. 02:59:11.900 --> 02:59:17.580 Oh yeah, absolutely. At play here. I suspect, honestly, a bigger impact would be electronics 02:59:17.580 --> 02:59:22.700 use outside of the classroom. Yeah, I don't know how you'd control for that. You can't, 02:59:22.700 --> 02:59:28.860 like at all. Parents would not self-report correctly, and this dude, this one blew me away. 02:59:28.860 --> 02:59:34.220 I was helping out with a class field trip the other day. They did a ski field trip. 02:59:34.220 --> 02:59:39.500 Okay, I was going to say, was this the mountain? Yeah, and I like to be involved while I still 02:59:39.500 --> 02:59:45.420 get a chance. My kids are not going to want me as a parent chaperone forever. 02:59:45.980 --> 02:59:49.100 It comes back around, I think. Yeah, well, that's what I hope, right? 02:59:49.100 --> 03:00:00.460 But there will be a gap in there. But basically, I was chaperoning this thing, 03:00:00.460 --> 03:00:06.540 and one of the kind of side eyes and undertone conversations that I had with one of the teachers 03:00:06.540 --> 03:00:14.220 was how impossible it is to get just like accurate height and weight of the kids on the 03:00:14.220 --> 03:00:18.300 intake form for the ski trip, which is really important because when they're adjusting the 03:00:18.300 --> 03:00:24.380 bindings in the tech shop for your ski rentals, they need to know how strong of a skier you are, 03:00:25.180 --> 03:00:29.260 how old you are, and how much you weigh so that they can make sure that they will detach 03:00:29.260 --> 03:00:37.980 correctly in the event of a crash. And I overheard, or what was part of, I wasn't eavesdropping, 03:00:37.980 --> 03:00:44.780 but I was part of a conversation where one of the other parents speculated that the reason 03:00:44.780 --> 03:00:52.060 that the teacher got like three different clearly incorrect responses for one kid 03:00:52.060 --> 03:00:57.100 was that it's actually the kid doing all correspondence with the school because the 03:00:57.100 --> 03:01:02.540 parents are just like not involved and didn't know how to like measure themself. 03:01:03.500 --> 03:01:15.420 And I was like, oh my god, basically. But it pretty much, it highlighted why you could never 03:01:15.420 --> 03:01:20.700 count on getting any kind of accurate, meaningful data about out of school use. 03:01:20.700 --> 03:01:24.220 Oh, you could never do it. I just suspect that's a very significant impact. 03:01:25.100 --> 03:01:31.020 Because of tangential things, right? If they're spending all their time 03:01:31.020 --> 03:01:34.860 doom-scrolling because their parents don't care anyways, is their attention span 03:01:34.860 --> 03:01:38.620 so wrecked when they're in class that whether they have a screen in front of them or not, 03:01:38.620 --> 03:01:43.260 they're just not going to absorb anything? That type of stuff I think is relatively important. 03:01:43.260 --> 03:01:47.500 Daniel Chin says, this isn't even a Y-axis issue. There's not enough description about the study 03:01:47.500 --> 03:01:50.540 methodology and without actual controls. There's a monopoly of confounders. 03:01:51.100 --> 03:01:57.180 But we're not talking about that. We're talking about Y-axis issues with the presentation of 03:01:57.180 --> 03:02:05.900 anything. And yeah, that's why I have carefully avoided saying that it is like a causation. 03:02:05.900 --> 03:02:14.860 I've said correlation. All we've seen is that Jared Cooney Horvath says that there seems to be 03:02:14.860 --> 03:02:22.700 a negative correlation. That's what we've said. And I pointed out that the way that these are laid 03:02:22.700 --> 03:02:29.900 out makes it look like a bigger difference than it is. That's how we got into the conversation about 03:02:29.900 --> 03:02:37.580 the importance of drawing attention to, at the very least, if you are not using a zeroed axis. 03:02:38.540 --> 03:02:53.580 That's all. It's okay. It's also clearly a multi-faceted problem and is not just down to using 03:02:53.580 --> 03:02:57.180 computers in the classroom because we had computers in the classroom and we had the 03:02:57.180 --> 03:03:00.620 computer lab as well. We used computers all the time when we were in school. 03:03:00.620 --> 03:03:03.820 You had computers in the classroom that wasn't the computer lab? 03:03:04.300 --> 03:03:09.260 Yeah. When I was in elementary school, we had often one computer in the classroom. 03:03:10.140 --> 03:03:14.540 If you finished your work early, you could play Oregon Trail sometimes if your teacher was a bro. 03:03:14.540 --> 03:03:21.420 Sure. Not at your desk though, but sure. I don't think I had many of those examples, 03:03:21.420 --> 03:03:25.660 but maybe it was a thing. I didn't know that was a thing at some schools. 03:03:25.660 --> 03:03:32.940 And that was before even teachers had a computer at their desk. Yeah. Sometimes there would just be a little work station in the computer. 03:03:32.940 --> 03:03:38.380 In the corner. Or if you had a student that had a learning disability or something, 03:03:38.380 --> 03:03:41.500 then you'd often have a little computer for them to use. 03:03:44.460 --> 03:03:53.260 Reddit has been fined by the UK for not verifying ages of users. The 14.5 million pound fine, 03:03:53.260 --> 03:04:00.940 I love that money in UK is in weight units, was issued after the UK Information Commissioner's 03:04:00.940 --> 03:04:08.940 office. It makes it sound so big. Yeah, it does. It's like, you know those giant checks? It's like, here's a million pound check. Oh, gosh! 03:04:11.180 --> 03:04:15.580 Here's a 14 million pound fine. Put it down on something solid because... 03:04:17.980 --> 03:04:22.460 Oh my God, I broke my hand. My hand actually got atomized from that. 03:04:22.460 --> 03:04:27.100 All right. So the ICO alleged that Reddit's failure to check ages resulted in their illegal 03:04:27.100 --> 03:04:31.020 handling of children's personal information and the potential exposure of children to 03:04:31.020 --> 03:04:38.060 inappropriate and harmful content. The ICO finding came before Reddit's July 2025 rollout 03:04:38.060 --> 03:04:42.700 of an age verification system in the UK. But the ICO says they still have concerns, 03:04:42.700 --> 03:04:46.460 noting that Reddit relies on users self-declaring their ages when opening an account. 03:04:47.340 --> 03:04:53.820 This seems to ignore Reddit's use of persona to further verify ages of users seeking to access 03:04:53.900 --> 03:04:57.580 restricted content. In the statement provided to Ars Technica, 03:04:57.580 --> 03:05:02.220 Reddit said that the ICO's insistence that we collect more private information on every UK 03:05:02.220 --> 03:05:07.820 user is counterintuitive and at odds with our strong belief in our users' online privacy and 03:05:07.820 --> 03:05:15.100 safety. We intend to appeal the ICO's decision. All right. So there was another part of Reddit's 03:05:15.100 --> 03:05:21.900 response that is not in my notes here that I thought was pretty hilarious. Let's see if I can 03:05:21.900 --> 03:05:26.700 find it. No, it might have been in a different article. That's important. I know here it is. 03:05:28.300 --> 03:05:32.620 We don't require you to give us your real name. We don't track your precise location. You can even 03:05:32.620 --> 03:05:37.580 browse anonymously. You can share as much or as little about yourself as you want when using Reddit. 03:05:37.580 --> 03:05:41.740 Love that. Because they're basically saying, hey, we don't require anybody to tell us everything 03:05:41.740 --> 03:05:47.260 about themselves and every, you know, am I the a**hole, you know, experience they've ever had 03:05:47.740 --> 03:05:54.140 how old they almost certainly are and all of this stuff. You know, they could share that with us 03:05:54.140 --> 03:06:00.220 if they want to, but we don't require any of it. So I mean, oh man, this is, this is a can of worms, 03:06:00.220 --> 03:06:12.380 hey? Because on the one hand, this drive from governments and plural, like around the world 03:06:12.380 --> 03:06:19.340 for these platforms to collect and verify more and more and more information seems crazy 03:06:19.900 --> 03:06:25.020 at a time when they're already collecting too much. And if anything, we should be going the other way. 03:06:26.380 --> 03:06:34.060 Like, are we, is it time to root for Reddit? But on the other hand, Reddit's only, the only 03:06:34.060 --> 03:06:40.700 reason Reddit's mad is because the government wants them to collect this data a different way 03:06:40.700 --> 03:06:44.300 that will give them some kind of responsibility for their stewardship of it. 03:06:45.980 --> 03:06:49.900 I think where I've come to on this topic, because we've been talking about this for a while, is I 03:06:49.900 --> 03:06:58.620 do really like the idea of kind of pushing, of pushing the kids to use less electronics and 03:06:58.620 --> 03:07:03.820 get off social media and stuff like that, because it is, it is highly malicious mind control. 03:07:04.380 --> 03:07:18.780 But collecting data in order to do so not only will not work, it's also just a massive trove of 03:07:18.780 --> 03:07:23.500 valuable information that will be broken into. So just stop collecting it. The kids will get 03:07:23.500 --> 03:07:27.580 around it. The kids have always gotten around it. The kids will always get around it. It's, 03:07:27.580 --> 03:07:32.460 you're not actually going to stop people who are really trying to. So at that point, 03:07:33.180 --> 03:07:38.620 like, I think the most at risk kids are going to be kids that would really try to get around it. 03:07:38.620 --> 03:07:42.780 So you're not actually saving the most at risk kids anyways, and you're just making this like 03:07:42.780 --> 03:07:47.500 massive amount of data that they will get. Like, let's be realistic about it. 03:07:50.060 --> 03:07:53.980 You're just putting it out there for, for, for bad actors to just grab. So like, 03:07:53.980 --> 03:08:01.660 it's, you're doing a horrible job of just putting data out there that will be stolen, 03:08:01.660 --> 03:08:06.540 that you really shouldn't have stolen, and of kids information, which like, come on, 03:08:06.540 --> 03:08:11.660 and you're doing it in a way that is not really even going to be effective anyways. 03:08:11.660 --> 03:08:14.700 I would love to see some stuff to try to dissuade 03:08:16.300 --> 03:08:21.420 everyone of every age from overusing like social media and doom scrolling apps and stuff like 03:08:21.420 --> 03:08:27.820 that, especially kids who are more susceptible, but let's be real, so are adults. Yeah, this, 03:08:27.820 --> 03:08:32.060 this whole idea that because you're an adult, you're like magically grown up. 03:08:32.060 --> 03:08:34.780 Yeah, I know that doesn't, that doesn't happen. It just doesn't fly. 03:08:35.980 --> 03:08:39.500 Like, let's, I don't know if this is a topic in the doc, but I mean, 03:08:39.500 --> 03:08:45.420 YouTube pushed out, and I appreciate that they did a like time management thing specifically 03:08:45.420 --> 03:08:50.460 for shorts within YouTube, so that you can block how much you use. The thing that I don't 03:08:50.460 --> 03:08:56.620 like is there isn't a zero. They go down to 15. I appreciate that they have a limit that is not 03:08:56.700 --> 03:09:03.500 super long, but 15 is still not that short. They're shorts. Five minutes would be fine. 03:09:04.300 --> 03:09:08.940 Zero would be the best. If you could granularly control it all the way up to zero, 03:09:08.940 --> 03:09:16.460 that would be the best. I would appreciate that. You know what? I'll be honest with you. I don't think, and I agree that it should be an option, 03:09:17.020 --> 03:09:21.580 but if I was configuring my kids account, I probably wouldn't set it to zero. 03:09:21.580 --> 03:09:26.140 Sure, that's fine. Because the goal of the limit would be to learn moderation. 03:09:26.140 --> 03:09:34.460 Yeah, totally. Not to go cold turkey. I had a member of my family that developed a very unhealthy relationship with 03:09:36.540 --> 03:09:41.660 video media consumption because it was so restricted in our household, and that was just 03:09:41.660 --> 03:09:53.260 their personality type. I personally feel like if they had not been cut off from it as often 03:09:53.580 --> 03:10:02.540 they were, and it had not been made such a exciting thing, such a huge dopamine hit when 03:10:02.540 --> 03:10:09.100 they were able to get access to it, maybe some of that possibly could have been at least dulled. 03:10:09.740 --> 03:10:13.740 Maybe they might have learned to manage that compulsion, maybe. 03:10:15.020 --> 03:10:19.820 No, I still don't remember the name of it, but I have a browser add-on. I guess it's on my 03:10:19.820 --> 03:10:24.380 Windows install, so I'll have to figure this out on Linux, but I mean it's a browser, 03:10:24.380 --> 03:10:28.460 so I just need to go find the add-on again. But I have a browser add-on that blocks YouTube 03:10:28.460 --> 03:10:35.260 shorts, solid. And for me, yeah, I just want it blocked, but your scenario completely makes 03:10:35.260 --> 03:10:40.540 sense. The options would be great, and I'm not going to project onto you what option you should 03:10:40.540 --> 03:10:48.940 select, but I would love the option for zero. But I will say, having complained all of that bit, 03:10:48.940 --> 03:10:52.220 I really appreciate that they made this feature. I don't think that they had to. 03:10:52.780 --> 03:10:57.500 They had just an individual limiter for YouTube. I appreciate that they made one separate for 03:10:57.500 --> 03:11:01.420 shorts. They are different things. I understand they're in the same app. They are different 03:11:01.420 --> 03:11:07.660 things, and I appreciate that they did that. YouTube does a lot of things pretty wrong. 03:11:08.860 --> 03:11:15.260 They do some things very wrong. They do a lot of things kind of right. 03:11:16.220 --> 03:11:21.660 This is in the a little wrong, but mostly right category, I think. I appreciate that it exists, 03:11:21.660 --> 03:11:25.340 and I don't think there was going to be some law that was going to make them do this, 03:11:25.340 --> 03:11:41.020 so I appreciate that it exists. Yeah. I would never describe myself as a fan, but I respect a lot of what YouTube does, and I 03:11:41.100 --> 03:11:47.820 have said before, and will continue to say, I believe that YouTube is alongside Wikipedia, 03:11:48.380 --> 03:11:57.500 the library of Alexandria, one of the most important things the human race has ever built. 03:11:57.500 --> 03:12:02.380 Yeah. I was going to say, I respect your stance, and I'm not going to call myself a fan. I love 03:12:02.380 --> 03:12:07.660 YouTube. I think it is fascinating that they haven't been so much worse than they are, 03:12:08.620 --> 03:12:13.900 and you know what? I'm very quick to point out things that they screw up. I think the whole 03:12:13.900 --> 03:12:19.660 member spam thing, which we'll talk about shortly, was a mistake. I think not having zero on the 03:12:19.660 --> 03:12:24.940 shorts thing sucks. Removing the dislike button was just so dumb, and I would really like for it 03:12:24.940 --> 03:12:31.420 to come back, but at the end of the day, YouTube is amazing. What a platform. The fact that they 03:12:32.220 --> 03:12:38.140 haven't just gone full nuclear terrible is kind of fascinating. 03:12:38.140 --> 03:12:41.820 Please keep it up. It's legitimately close. 03:12:41.820 --> 03:12:48.540 It's really important to please keep it up. And it's been sketchy lately, but I believe in you. 03:12:48.540 --> 03:12:53.260 If there's any major concerns, I'm going to have some FaceTime with execs soon. 03:12:54.220 --> 03:13:01.580 Topic, type, and kind of the funnel, the shorts. I think there is a problem right now with YouTube, 03:13:01.580 --> 03:13:06.460 where YouTube was about people, and it was organic, and it was the place you could go to 03:13:06.460 --> 03:13:15.500 learn basically everything, and it felt like an app made by, yeah, you could just find everything. 03:13:16.380 --> 03:13:20.460 And right now, it feels like it's getting too hype focused. 03:13:21.420 --> 03:13:26.860 There isn't really the consistency. I give them that feedback basically every time I talk to them, but I'll try again. 03:13:26.860 --> 03:13:31.660 It's more extreme than ever, I think, and I think you're seeing it in this flow that we've talked 03:13:31.660 --> 03:13:38.140 about a bunch of times where channel performance is much more individual video based, and you have 03:13:38.140 --> 03:13:44.220 huge swings in viewership between videos. I have found more than ever that I'm losing creators. 03:13:45.580 --> 03:13:48.860 I think the subscribe button should mean more. Okay. 03:13:49.740 --> 03:13:52.780 I think that's one of the things that should happen, because like, 03:13:52.780 --> 03:13:57.020 a lot of people talk about search. The search is, oh man. 03:13:57.020 --> 03:14:01.980 Mind-blowingly bad. It's mind-blowingly bad, but at the same time, again, to give them credit, holy crap, 03:14:01.980 --> 03:14:06.940 is that a lot of stuff to search through. But it does seem pretty rough. 03:14:06.940 --> 03:14:13.740 Honestly, I don't think this is a hot take. Search for Google in general has been kind of in the pits. 03:14:13.740 --> 03:14:16.300 Search and drive is terrible. Search and Gmail is terrible. 03:14:17.260 --> 03:14:23.900 Like, all this stuff has been pretty rough. And this is someone who just said, I love YouTube, and I still love YouTube. 03:14:23.900 --> 03:14:26.140 I'm just being honest about some of the negatives. 03:14:27.820 --> 03:14:35.100 I think there is a lot of soulless, negative, genuine brain rot content, 03:14:35.100 --> 03:14:40.940 stuff that does not enrich your life in any way, that is being forced to the front of YouTube 03:14:40.940 --> 03:14:45.980 and shoved in front of your face. And I think that will decrease people's appreciation 03:14:46.060 --> 03:14:52.140 and usage of YouTube long-term. I think it is a short-term strategy to combat things like TikTok, 03:14:52.140 --> 03:14:56.300 and I think it will rot their overall market dominance in the long-term. 03:14:56.300 --> 03:15:02.060 I think they need to understand and appreciate what they are, which is the video platform of the internet. 03:15:02.060 --> 03:15:07.260 They stopped publishing user numbers because they basically just said, we have everyone. 03:15:08.140 --> 03:15:13.340 Know that, understand that, own that, and have a higher level that you hold yourself to 03:15:13.340 --> 03:15:17.900 compared to other platforms. And I don't mean that you have to start banning this type of content. 03:15:17.900 --> 03:15:21.180 It's never going to happen. It's a bad form of moderation for YouTube. 03:15:21.180 --> 03:15:24.700 You're still going to have Flat Earth and No Land and Conspiracy videos on YouTube. 03:15:24.700 --> 03:15:27.740 But part of YouTube has been that, that has been there the whole time. 03:15:27.740 --> 03:15:34.220 And that's okay. But remember that you can float wholesome content. 03:15:34.220 --> 03:15:38.460 You can push wholesome content. You can push out these smaller creators more. 03:15:38.460 --> 03:15:42.220 And I understand that you are, again, I do love YouTube. 03:15:42.220 --> 03:15:46.540 But what I'm experiencing right now is that I'll see a video with, oh my God. 03:15:46.540 --> 03:15:50.460 Yeah, this, I mean, I'll see a video with 19 million views, 03:15:50.460 --> 03:15:54.140 which is the first thing that showed up when I, when I opened YouTube. Can I go to YouTube? 03:15:54.140 --> 03:15:58.940 Yeah. But this might actually be a really cool video or a meme. 03:15:58.940 --> 03:16:02.940 I'm not, yeah. Smash the rock. Yeah. Oh no, no, no. Okay, he's getting his stuff. 03:16:02.940 --> 03:16:07.580 That might actually just be a really cool video. My point was more Mr. Beast type stuff. 03:16:07.580 --> 03:16:11.660 But I might get a video with, perfect. I might get a video with millions of views 03:16:11.660 --> 03:16:13.740 right next to a video with seven views. 03:16:15.100 --> 03:16:22.700 Maybe somewhere in the middle a little bit. Right. Um, this is everything I'm seeing is these like huge dramatic, um, 03:16:26.700 --> 03:16:30.060 I'm not necessarily into it, but I will say that's pretty quintessentially YouTube. 03:16:31.340 --> 03:16:35.260 Yep. Um, but it's just, yeah, I don't know. 03:16:35.260 --> 03:16:40.700 Bring, bring back the, the middle content. Um, bring back the wholesome stuff. 03:16:40.780 --> 03:16:45.420 Bring back the stuff that someone's going to look back at their usage of YouTube positively. 03:16:46.060 --> 03:16:50.140 Um, I, I think I really appreciate that they're adding these limiters, 03:16:50.860 --> 03:16:54.060 the, these, the abilities to set your own limiters to things like shorts. 03:16:54.620 --> 03:16:57.580 I remember back in the day when no one would have wanted that for YouTube. 03:16:58.220 --> 03:17:03.180 Because YouTube is a space where you went to go learn things, uh, grow experience, 03:17:03.900 --> 03:17:10.540 you know, see behind walls, all that kind of stuff. Um, and it's, it's going down the extreme brain rot funnel now. 03:17:11.340 --> 03:17:15.500 Uh, where people are going to look back to their, their childhood of using YouTube 03:17:15.500 --> 03:17:18.780 and only think of things that were just a waste of time for them. 03:17:18.780 --> 03:17:24.460 And I think that's not necessary. And I think you can do that while keeping all of these different types of content on the platform, 03:17:24.460 --> 03:17:31.420 but just not hyper pushing, um, these like objectively kind of things that aren't great for your brain. 03:17:34.300 --> 03:17:38.540 Okay. Rant over. That's really good. Mind paradox made a really good point. 03:17:38.540 --> 03:17:42.700 Hmm. Scientifically speaking, the earth is flat. 03:17:43.260 --> 03:17:48.780 75% of the earth is water. 95% plus of that water is not carbonated. 03:17:49.420 --> 03:17:53.580 Therefore, if we were to round, the earth is, is flat. 03:17:53.580 --> 03:18:00.540 That isn't even the direction I thought they're going in. That's fantastic. In a sense, uh, that's pretty good. 03:18:01.740 --> 03:18:06.940 Oh, acting like we didn't have things like Smosh and other linear brain rot. 03:18:06.940 --> 03:18:10.940 No, I didn't. I didn't act like that at all. I've said that's been on the platform the entire time. 03:18:10.940 --> 03:18:16.300 That is literally not what I said in the slightest. What I did say was how they promote different things, 03:18:16.300 --> 03:18:22.140 and I don't expect them to not promote that. I'm just hoping that they try to really balance things out 03:18:22.140 --> 03:18:26.540 and promote wholesome things as well. Like our, our brain rot was, was pretty bad. 03:18:26.540 --> 03:18:29.180 Dude, we had some heavy brain rot. We had lots of it. 03:18:30.220 --> 03:18:31.740 Oh my God, shoes. 03:18:34.220 --> 03:18:37.340 Like, was it, was it in the show? Like this, this was massive. 03:18:37.340 --> 03:18:43.260 Oh yeah. Oh no, I always hated that to be honest. 03:18:43.260 --> 03:18:47.180 I never liked that. I was very confused why people were into that. 03:18:49.580 --> 03:18:51.900 I, I, yeah, I was, yeah, whatever. 03:18:53.100 --> 03:18:56.700 Um, again, I'm not expecting it to not happen. 03:18:56.700 --> 03:19:02.460 I'm expecting it to be a little bit more measured, and I, I feel like, and it's a fit, it's such a fine line. 03:19:02.460 --> 03:19:07.820 This is one of the reasons why I'm very happy to openly say that I love YouTube because my God is at a difficult line, 03:19:07.900 --> 03:19:14.220 and they have straddled it so well for so long. I feel like we're just, we're just slipping a little too far one way, 03:19:14.220 --> 03:19:19.020 and I'm just asking them to just try to bring it back a little bit. I don't want to swing too far this way. 03:19:19.020 --> 03:19:22.060 We talked about that whole pendulum thing earlier in the show, 03:19:22.060 --> 03:19:25.260 just because it's swaying a little bit this way. I don't want to bring it all the way back. 03:19:25.260 --> 03:19:30.540 I just want it to try to be in the middle. I expect it to be full entertainment mode sometimes, 03:19:30.540 --> 03:19:34.380 or you watch that slop and it's okay. It's fine. There's a place for that. 03:19:34.380 --> 03:19:36.380 I just want the other stuff to also be brought up. 03:19:38.620 --> 03:19:39.100 That's it. 03:19:43.500 --> 03:19:49.100 I'm just trying to find another horribly stupid video from back then, 03:19:49.100 --> 03:19:52.860 but I don't think I'm going to be able to, I don't think I'm going to be able to find it. 03:19:52.860 --> 03:19:56.780 Do you want to pick another topic? Sure. Spyonsores. 03:19:58.620 --> 03:20:04.220 Oh, but yeah, I suppose I could, I suppose I could do that. 03:20:04.220 --> 03:20:09.260 I can do a topic while you get reset, if you want to look for something? I'm going to try and find a really stupid video. 03:20:11.980 --> 03:20:17.580 Yeah, okay. Here we go. Here we go. Here's some of our old-school brain rot. 03:20:18.300 --> 03:20:21.740 Hold on. I'm getting an ad. Thanks, YouTube. No, boy. 03:20:24.300 --> 03:20:29.180 Anthropic and the DoD, there's OpenAI and the DoW. 03:20:29.180 --> 03:20:30.940 There's a lot of stuff happening in the AI right now. 03:20:34.700 --> 03:20:37.740 Oh my goodness. I would have never remembered this. 03:20:40.220 --> 03:20:41.900 This made me think of power thirst. 03:20:43.260 --> 03:20:44.300 Power thirst. 03:20:47.740 --> 03:20:49.260 Wow. Anyway. 03:20:51.500 --> 03:20:55.500 Sometimes you want just like dumb, silly, fun things. It's okay. I'm not saying to never do it. 03:20:56.460 --> 03:20:58.140 Saying there's a balance. That's all. 03:20:59.740 --> 03:21:03.260 All right. Should we talk about Burger King? Yeah, we should do that. 03:21:03.260 --> 03:21:06.940 Burger King is vying for the throne of politeness. Thanks to AI. 03:21:06.940 --> 03:21:11.820 What a title. Burger King is entering the AI chatbot race with Patty. 03:21:11.820 --> 03:21:14.860 Okay. Unironically, pretty funny. The name? 03:21:14.860 --> 03:21:22.620 Yeah. It's a good name. The OpenAI-powered Burger King assistant who will live in the headsets of employees 03:21:23.180 --> 03:21:26.060 with the purpose of assisting with meal preparation, 03:21:26.940 --> 03:21:32.780 notifying management of issues such as a downed point of sale or low stock, 03:21:33.340 --> 03:21:38.780 as well as evaluating employee interactions with customers for friendliness 03:21:38.780 --> 03:21:42.220 by tracking the use of phrases such as welcome to Burger King. 03:21:42.780 --> 03:21:46.540 Please. And thank you. See, I don't think it's in the mic. 03:21:47.100 --> 03:21:52.140 What says it's in the mic? Well, it would have to be. If it's listening to what you're saying as in the employee. 03:21:52.140 --> 03:21:57.500 Oh, I thought, okay. I thought you meant like it would like override sometimes just start talking. 03:21:57.500 --> 03:22:07.020 Okay. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. It's definitely listening. Yeah. So I thought this was peak dystopian. 03:22:07.740 --> 03:22:11.740 I just think they were already doing it. That's why I didn't react too much. You think they were already doing this? 03:22:12.380 --> 03:22:15.580 I thought they were already tracking phrases and stuff. Is that a thing? 03:22:15.580 --> 03:22:21.340 I thought they were because everything that goes through the mic is technically going through a computer system like McDonald's has like server racks. 03:22:21.340 --> 03:22:24.700 Are you sure? No, it's not. 03:22:24.700 --> 03:22:37.580 No, I'm not sure to be clear. Okay. I just thought that. Cause I was not aware of this at all, but basically like this pretty much as far as 03:22:37.580 --> 03:22:43.420 I can tell is like a turbocharged version of the coffee shop AI thing that I did be 03:22:43.420 --> 03:22:52.060 showing Wanshore. Was I just talking to one of the writers about that? I can't remember, but it had like boxes around people and like said how many drinks that they 03:22:52.060 --> 03:22:56.620 had made in the last hour and like tracked how long customers had been sitting at 03:22:56.620 --> 03:22:59.260 particular tables. These are the types of things that I thought kind of already existed. 03:22:59.820 --> 03:23:03.100 But this, putting it right in the headset. 03:23:03.100 --> 03:23:08.940 So all of a sudden you could get like a counseling notice for forgetting to say please to a customer 03:23:09.580 --> 03:23:12.940 10 times in one day or like whatever threshold they set. 03:23:13.580 --> 03:23:15.900 Like this is, this is the step. 03:23:16.860 --> 03:23:22.060 This is it. This is the step before complete human replacement. 03:23:23.100 --> 03:23:26.140 Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. 03:23:26.620 --> 03:23:33.500 And I feel like I was talking to Yvonne about this because this is going to be, this is going 03:23:33.500 --> 03:23:37.900 to be one of those times when I feel like people are some, there's going to be a group 03:23:37.900 --> 03:23:45.740 of people that are not going to like what I say as, as an employer who at this time in 03:23:45.740 --> 03:23:51.100 companies wholly owned and operated by himself has somewhere in the neighborhood of around 03:23:51.100 --> 03:23:57.340 150 plus people. Because usually when we give the employee account, we're just talking like Linus Media 03:23:57.340 --> 03:24:01.740 Group and like closely affiliated companies, but you know, you start to bake in things like 03:24:01.740 --> 03:24:05.820 the Smashchamps badminton club. Like they've got a lot of part-timers. It's, it's retail, right? 03:24:05.820 --> 03:24:08.220 Like it's a bit of a different situation. 03:24:11.180 --> 03:24:19.980 We've had major issues sometimes with people who in many cases, like we don't always get 03:24:19.980 --> 03:24:26.620 pay scales perfect, but with people who in many cases are very competitively compensated for 03:24:26.620 --> 03:24:36.460 what they're doing, doing things on the clock that I think it would be hard to argue are not 03:24:39.580 --> 03:24:43.820 unacceptable. So for instance, you know, are not acceptable. 03:24:43.820 --> 03:24:48.060 Hiding in a bathroom and having a nap when you are on shift. 03:24:48.060 --> 03:24:55.900 Really? Yeah. So, so there's a, there's a certain corner of the internet for whom wage theft exists, 03:24:56.540 --> 03:24:57.980 but time theft does not. 03:25:01.180 --> 03:25:05.980 Trying to have a balanced take here. I say they both exist. 03:25:07.340 --> 03:25:13.900 Sure. And to some people that will be, that will be very controversial to them. 03:25:13.900 --> 03:25:18.300 I say, hey, you run a business. 03:25:18.300 --> 03:25:21.020 See how well that works for you. All right. Cool. Good chat. 03:25:21.580 --> 03:25:24.860 Output. All right. So with that in mind, 03:25:28.060 --> 03:25:35.580 basically how my conversation with Yvonne went was there's, there's a huge problem 03:25:36.380 --> 03:25:43.580 because you have, and I think it's really important to point this out, a minority of employees 03:25:44.220 --> 03:25:52.300 who behave in such a way that supervision is necessary. 03:25:54.460 --> 03:26:03.020 You have, I hope, a minority of employers who behave in such an overbearing manner 03:26:03.020 --> 03:26:07.180 that we have exceeded supervision and we have made it to monitoring. 03:26:07.180 --> 03:26:11.260 There are many such cases, however, where there's like, maybe there's one bad apple, 03:26:11.260 --> 03:26:15.500 maybe one person fell asleep in one bathroom. Well, that's not what I'm talking about. 03:26:15.500 --> 03:26:23.820 Sure. But there tends to be some really oddly expensive to the point where you're never 03:26:23.820 --> 03:26:28.540 going to pay it back off and overbearing reactions. 03:26:29.660 --> 03:26:31.740 That's kind of where I'm going with this. 03:26:33.020 --> 03:26:39.820 So you exceed supervision, which in my mind should largely be traditionally human 03:26:40.620 --> 03:26:44.940 supervision, right? So you exceed supervision, you make it into monitoring. 03:26:44.940 --> 03:26:50.140 You make it into, yeah, I think monitoring. 03:26:50.140 --> 03:26:51.980 Let's just pop it, yeah. 03:26:53.340 --> 03:26:59.180 And I think, I think part of our problem right now is that we're in a death spiral 03:27:00.220 --> 03:27:07.180 because the more of this monitoring level of supervision, the more you make your way into 03:27:07.500 --> 03:27:12.700 complete breach of autonomy and privacy at any given moment. 03:27:14.220 --> 03:27:21.740 The more disenfranchised you might have a worker become and the bottom line is, as a business, 03:27:21.740 --> 03:27:25.820 you're never going to be happy about giving money to someone who's not getting work done. 03:27:25.820 --> 03:27:29.500 And if they're not getting work done because of how hyper disenfranchised they are, 03:27:30.140 --> 03:27:34.540 that's not going to change. You're not going to want to pay them to do work they're not doing. 03:27:35.500 --> 03:27:39.180 And then you're going to try to monitor them more. They become more disenfranchised. 03:27:39.180 --> 03:27:46.860 They want to do less work. And I feel like while in any individual workplace, you can break the cycle collectively. 03:27:47.420 --> 03:27:50.620 As like, as a people. As a society. Yeah. 03:27:50.620 --> 03:27:53.020 I feel like we're circling the drain here. 03:27:54.540 --> 03:27:57.900 And I think, I mean, wages are not keeping up. 03:27:58.860 --> 03:28:05.740 It's hard to be motivated at work when you make work long hours, make little money, whatever that. 03:28:06.540 --> 03:28:10.060 Lawsworth says, I think the word you're looking for is micromanagement. 03:28:10.060 --> 03:28:17.580 But I'm not because there's a big difference between micromanagement, which might be necessary 03:28:17.580 --> 03:28:22.300 in some cases, or that person should just be let go. 03:28:22.300 --> 03:28:29.980 But sometimes that's not what you want to do. Sometimes you'd rather kind of go, okay, no, like we really need to carefully set expectations here, 03:28:29.980 --> 03:28:36.940 you know, whatever it is, right? But that's really different from, I have a camera trained on you at all times, 03:28:36.940 --> 03:28:43.660 that has an AI monitoring it, that is compiling data and stats, that I can go back retroactively 03:28:43.660 --> 03:28:47.500 and dig through anytime you were ever on shift in any little thing you ever did. 03:28:47.500 --> 03:28:53.660 That's not micromanagement. That's like, that's spying, if that makes sense. 03:28:53.660 --> 03:28:57.020 And to be clear, like we have cameras in our places of work, we're on camera right now, 03:28:57.020 --> 03:29:00.460 and I'm not talking about that one, or this one, or this one. 03:29:01.820 --> 03:29:05.420 Where is it? Whatever, it's in here. There's a security camera in here. 03:29:05.420 --> 03:29:08.140 Thanks, Dan. Dan pointed out, I still can't see it. 03:29:09.100 --> 03:29:13.100 Whatever, I assume Dan knows what's going on. Look at him, that's the face of a man. 03:29:13.100 --> 03:29:15.020 It's over there, in the corner. Thanks, Dan, perfect. 03:29:17.100 --> 03:29:23.100 And, oh man, see this is where the realities of running a business 03:29:23.660 --> 03:29:31.420 kind of coincide or collide with some of my philosophical, I wish it was this way, beliefs. 03:29:31.420 --> 03:29:37.020 Like at Smash Shams, for instance, the extensive security system that we have 03:29:37.020 --> 03:29:40.860 has resulted in reduced shrink for our retail operation. 03:29:40.860 --> 03:29:47.260 It has resulted in multiple cases where we have been able to bend members 03:29:47.260 --> 03:29:50.620 who have stolen from our other members. Oh. 03:29:50.620 --> 03:29:53.180 Oh yeah, I mean, dude, people are f***ed up, man. 03:29:53.660 --> 03:29:58.220 It's like, we're trying to have a community here, we're trying to just like play sports together, 03:29:58.780 --> 03:30:04.860 and you've got people that will be caught, caught in 4K, taking something that's not theirs, 03:30:04.860 --> 03:30:09.100 and we have literally heard the, oh, I didn't know that belonged to them line. 03:30:09.980 --> 03:30:12.380 I f***ing hate that line. 03:30:13.740 --> 03:30:16.300 Did it belong to you? Did it belong to you? 03:30:18.380 --> 03:30:20.060 Then why would you take it? 03:30:21.660 --> 03:30:27.820 I hate that, I get, I get. Shriggered by that line, yeah, we've had rackets, shuttles. 03:30:28.860 --> 03:30:38.380 Shuttles are becoming a big one because they've become so expensive, and even used like ratbag 03:30:38.380 --> 03:30:42.780 shuttles are actually going for money, not much, it's like by the pound, 03:30:42.780 --> 03:30:46.540 because people will use them for training, they'll use them for just like feet and drills and stuff, 03:30:46.540 --> 03:30:51.420 and it used to be that those were considered like, oh, here you go, worthless. 03:30:52.140 --> 03:30:57.020 Now they're like, worth money now because new shuttles have gotten so expensive, 03:30:57.020 --> 03:31:01.660 and so because people like need to carry a tube around with them, and because all the tubes 03:31:01.660 --> 03:31:05.740 kind of look the same, like with rackets, people have like in their bag, you'd have to be pretty 03:31:05.740 --> 03:31:09.340 conspicuous to like open someone's bag and take a racket out, right? 03:31:09.340 --> 03:31:11.660 But shuttles, they'll have them on the bench, you know? 03:31:12.700 --> 03:31:16.540 And so we, yeah, we've had, we've had cases with rackets, we've had cases with phones. 03:31:17.100 --> 03:31:20.540 Oh, right. A phone is so like personal. 03:31:21.500 --> 03:31:25.580 Yeah, that one was really unfortunate because it was an acquaintance of an acquaintance, 03:31:25.580 --> 03:31:32.300 it was, it was a known person, so that was a really unfortunate conversation to have to have. 03:31:32.300 --> 03:31:39.100 Don't like that. You know, we've had, like we've had all kinds of things, we had an allegation from a neighbor 03:31:39.100 --> 03:31:47.180 that a member performed a bio act in public near our facility. 03:31:47.180 --> 03:31:51.500 Oh, yeah. And we had to, you know, we had to track that down. 03:31:51.500 --> 03:31:54.700 That was wild. And so, and look, we've only been, we've only been- 03:31:54.700 --> 03:32:00.300 That was like a GTA moment. Dude, we've been operating for a year, and already this is just, 03:32:00.300 --> 03:32:04.460 this is just the stuff that's flowing off the top of my head, man, right? 03:32:04.460 --> 03:32:07.420 And so I'm sitting here going like, yeah, on the one hand, 03:32:08.060 --> 03:32:11.740 you know, yeah, we shouldn't like, we shouldn't like have cameras everywhere, man, 03:32:11.740 --> 03:32:17.660 and like all the cameras, man. But on the other hand, I'm sitting here going, how on earth would we have resolved some of this 03:32:17.660 --> 03:32:20.940 stuff if we didn't have a record that we could track back to? 03:32:20.940 --> 03:32:24.220 I think it depends on the usage of it. Was the bio moment solo? 03:32:24.220 --> 03:32:28.220 Yeah, it was a solo bio moment, for sure, for sure, bud. 03:32:30.380 --> 03:32:41.980 Yeah, I think like, like, are you sitting there in an office upstairs with the like stock broker style monitors, 03:32:41.980 --> 03:32:46.780 just staring at all your employees all day? If so, no, I'm not, no, no, no, no. 03:32:46.780 --> 03:32:52.780 Oh, I was gonna say, you know I don't have that console. So if you're doing something like that, like that's clearly like, oh my God, go away. 03:32:52.780 --> 03:32:58.300 If you're reviewing footage in case of incidents, that no longer really bothers me. 03:32:58.300 --> 03:33:05.420 I think, I'm pretty sure in Canada, you can't record audio in a work, in like an office style 03:33:05.420 --> 03:33:08.860 workplace. Oh, I don't know. I think that's a thing. 03:33:13.820 --> 03:33:17.820 Yeah, we're trying to figure out, because I think we wanted the audio for the badminton 03:33:17.820 --> 03:33:22.460 footage or something. Oh yeah, yeah, for like games. 03:33:22.460 --> 03:33:27.980 Can we? And then there was like something, because it's a public venue and it's like a service that's 03:33:28.060 --> 03:33:33.260 being offered and therefore talked about and there's like signs and stuff, then it like becomes 03:33:33.260 --> 03:33:39.740 more fine. But if I remember correctly, regardless of the signs situation, if it's just like an office, 03:33:39.740 --> 03:33:43.740 you just can't do it. Like it's a... I think it was more okay for the public. 03:33:43.740 --> 03:33:49.500 It wasn't okay for the employees. Yeah. SF Wong, this is a good one, has a business. 03:33:49.500 --> 03:33:53.660 What about using AI to monitor things like a manufacturing floor to do time studies and 03:33:53.660 --> 03:33:57.340 improve inefficiencies rather than to judge people? So that's, oh my, what the? 03:33:58.780 --> 03:34:02.860 Boy, are you ever... Boy, are you ever treading a fine line there. 03:34:02.860 --> 03:34:07.500 That's not treading the fine line, they're just rolling back and forth across it. 03:34:07.500 --> 03:34:18.700 No, I mean, the world's most ethical manufacturing foreman, sure, could be looking purely for 03:34:18.700 --> 03:34:22.540 ways that they could improve their own performance by laying... 03:34:22.540 --> 03:34:29.500 What I'm saying is not untrue by laying out the stations more efficiently or whatever, 03:34:30.140 --> 03:34:37.980 but literally any human being in existence would also be looking at the other meatbags out there 03:34:37.980 --> 03:34:42.220 and figuring out which ones of them are scrolling on their phone instead of 03:34:42.940 --> 03:34:46.220 popping widgets together or whatever else it is they're supposed to be doing. 03:34:46.220 --> 03:34:51.900 And it's very like inhuman to expect people to be 100% on task for four hours and then 03:34:51.900 --> 03:35:00.140 30 minutes later, four more hours. It's like not really how humans work, but there's, yeah. 03:35:00.140 --> 03:35:03.660 So things get a little bit weird because you give people too much data and then they're like, 03:35:03.660 --> 03:35:06.940 wait, I don't like that. I paid for that minute. I need you working for that minute. 03:35:08.140 --> 03:35:12.780 And again, it's just not really how people work, but then how do you find the acceptable 03:35:13.420 --> 03:35:17.820 bar because you actually do need output from them or else your business closes. 03:35:17.820 --> 03:35:21.180 So like it's, yeah. 03:35:22.060 --> 03:35:26.700 That's where like ideally you find in my perfect happy fun time world, 03:35:26.700 --> 03:35:29.180 ideally you find a measurable... Can I work there? 03:35:30.620 --> 03:35:35.020 Ideally you find a measurable amount of output that you want from this person that is worth 03:35:35.020 --> 03:35:40.460 the amount of money you're paying for them. And if they're hitting that output, it doesn't really matter too much on the other end, 03:35:40.460 --> 03:35:45.340 but that's certain positions. It's really hard to measure relative. 03:35:45.340 --> 03:35:51.260 Yeah, that too. But it can be like, okay, what if this isn't a widget maker, right? 03:35:51.260 --> 03:35:58.540 Like what if this is something completely different? How do you, how do you measure the output of every single possible role at Linus Media Group, 03:35:58.540 --> 03:36:01.980 for example? No. Like that's potentially impossible. 03:36:01.980 --> 03:36:03.740 We have a really... 03:36:06.140 --> 03:36:09.180 We have a weird business and we have a lot of people that wear a lot of funky hats, 03:36:09.900 --> 03:36:15.340 not even normal hats. We have a lot of people that wear some really weird hats and potentially a lot of them at once. 03:36:15.340 --> 03:36:18.940 So it's like, how do you measure the output of that person? Almost impossible. 03:36:18.940 --> 03:36:22.540 Very difficult. So, yeah. 03:36:22.540 --> 03:36:28.380 I mean, it's something that we often come up against as we're sort of figuring out 03:36:30.700 --> 03:36:42.060 how you measure output, how you track that against costs, how you try to optimize. 03:36:42.460 --> 03:36:45.500 You know, it's a good thing though. 03:36:45.500 --> 03:36:51.020 I think it's one of the things that keeps the content always changing, keeps working here dynamic. 03:36:52.380 --> 03:36:55.900 Like it's been interesting watching people comment recently that, 03:36:57.500 --> 03:37:01.900 you know, the reason LTT is going downhill is because they've had a lot of turnover in 03:37:01.900 --> 03:37:05.020 their on-screen personalities and I'm kind of sitting here going, 03:37:05.020 --> 03:37:09.100 okay, A, all you have to do is go as far as social blade to find out that no, 03:37:09.100 --> 03:37:15.500 in fact, viewership has not gone down since those events. In fact, it's a little bit up since then, which I'm not attributing to that either. 03:37:15.500 --> 03:37:23.660 I'm just saying the causation relationship that you have conjured out of your brain hole 03:37:23.660 --> 03:37:25.420 is not actually a thing that happened. 03:37:28.700 --> 03:37:36.780 And one of the things that's cool about LMG is that as we have changes, 03:37:37.500 --> 03:37:42.300 we just kind of adapt. We just, we make new styles of content. 03:37:42.300 --> 03:37:48.060 We're always looking for what is exciting to whoever the team that's here is. 03:37:49.500 --> 03:37:56.940 We're always changing. We've been around for 17 years, guys. 03:37:58.380 --> 03:38:05.420 17 years. In that time, my interests, believe it or not, have changed. 03:38:07.100 --> 03:38:13.260 Dramatically. A fair bit. Your interests have altered in the, 03:38:13.260 --> 03:38:16.140 where do you up to? You got to be up to like 13? 03:38:16.940 --> 03:38:20.140 15. That can't be right. 03:38:20.140 --> 03:38:25.660 Pretty sure it is. From NCX days. 15. 13 would be since working for Linus Media Group. 03:38:26.780 --> 03:38:30.140 And Linus Media Group hasn't existed for 13 years, not till the end of this year. 03:38:31.020 --> 03:38:34.940 Okay. So then 14? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. 03:38:34.940 --> 03:38:37.260 Oh no. Is LTT at 18 now? 03:38:42.060 --> 03:38:45.580 I hope not. Oh man, I'm getting so old. 2020. 03:38:47.260 --> 03:38:48.940 Wait, what? 03:38:50.780 --> 03:38:57.660 Oh, got confused. Six years ago, the first LTT video was posted on Reddit. 03:38:58.220 --> 03:39:04.460 So 2020 is the post date of this Reddit post, not the, okay, 17 years, November 2008. 03:39:04.460 --> 03:39:08.380 So we'll be at 18 this year. Good lordy. 03:39:09.580 --> 03:39:13.660 Anyway, so where I was going with this is that you're going to see the content 03:39:13.660 --> 03:39:16.620 continue to change. And I think that's part of what has given us our staying power. 03:39:17.180 --> 03:39:20.300 I'm actually really excited to see some of the stuff that, 03:39:20.300 --> 03:39:24.860 David Pankratz made his solo on camera debut recently over on ShortCircuit, 03:39:24.860 --> 03:39:28.060 checking out a Der Bauer branded like test bench. 03:39:29.660 --> 03:39:33.980 Actually, one of our editors did a ShortCircuit recently that I thought was really good. 03:39:33.980 --> 03:39:41.500 It didn't get a ton of views, but when I was, I don't always feel compelled to message the 03:39:41.500 --> 03:39:47.820 production or crew or the host when I review one of our videos. But this was one that I reviewed 03:39:47.820 --> 03:39:56.060 just because he was new. And I thought Peter just did like an outstanding job of this video. 03:39:58.060 --> 03:40:04.140 The feedback on it is quite positive, but yeah, just needs a few more views, guys. 03:40:04.140 --> 03:40:11.340 Go check it out. It's a really, really good video. And a fight deck is not something that we would 03:40:11.340 --> 03:40:18.780 have had the internal interest to cover in the past, like super high level unboxing. I think you 03:40:18.780 --> 03:40:24.380 might find Razor did one like a thousand years ago that we did an unboxing of. I remember that. 03:40:25.020 --> 03:40:28.220 I think we still have those. Really? Yeah, but those would be like, 03:40:31.420 --> 03:40:36.940 those would be like garbage by today's standards. Oh my God. Remember when our thumbnails looked 03:40:36.940 --> 03:40:45.740 like that? Just text on the entire thing. Why was I feeling so aggressive that day? Who knows? 03:40:48.860 --> 03:40:52.700 That's funny. Yeah, well, it was a different time. It was a different time. 03:40:53.900 --> 03:41:00.620 Yeah, I think stuff like this and part of that I think is kind of the beauty of ShortCircuit is 03:41:00.620 --> 03:41:07.660 you're going to have some weird stuff on there sometimes. And I think junk food swirl 03:41:07.660 --> 03:41:11.500 might not get a bunch of clicks just because of what it is, but that doesn't necessarily mean the 03:41:11.500 --> 03:41:23.180 video is bad. This is great. Tyler R says, I miss the old text thumbnails. I meticulously copied it. 03:41:23.180 --> 03:41:27.260 Good for you. The WAN Show. Do you want a photoshop template? We post that. 03:41:27.660 --> 03:41:36.620 I don't think anybody needs that. What they do need is to hear about Drop. No longer operating as 03:41:36.620 --> 03:41:45.500 a standalone business by March 31st. Drop founded in 2012 as Mastrop is closing its standalone 03:41:45.500 --> 03:41:52.540 e-commerce store at the end of next month as part of the Corsair integration following the 2023 03:41:52.540 --> 03:41:58.860 acquisition. The last day to place orders is March 25th and Drop rewards will also expire that day, 03:41:58.860 --> 03:42:05.900 so use them or lose them. Drop.com will become a landing page for brand collabs under the Corsair 03:42:05.900 --> 03:42:14.140 umbrella. Community reaction is generally negative so far for the people who still manage to care, 03:42:15.260 --> 03:42:19.660 which seems like not many. I saw some, I did actually read through some of this 03:42:19.660 --> 03:42:25.580 and I saw a few people comment that the newsletter, which is apparently a big part of Drop's deal, 03:42:25.580 --> 03:42:30.620 has just been kind of full of the same stuff over and over again lately. I think Drop in general 03:42:30.620 --> 03:42:35.260 has kind of been like that. I remember back in the day I used to go to Mastrop when it was Mastrop, 03:42:35.260 --> 03:42:41.260 like all the time. I was genuinely on there like a lot, but it was because they'd have a lot of 03:42:41.260 --> 03:42:48.780 really weird stuff come through that was interesting. However, they used to be really into like knives. 03:42:49.340 --> 03:42:54.220 Oh yeah. That makes sense. Like everyday carry. Yeah, they were huge in the everyday carry scene. 03:42:54.220 --> 03:42:59.980 There were tons of other stuff and for a long time now it's been mechanical keyboards, headphones. 03:42:59.980 --> 03:43:06.380 That's it. It's like, okay, after a while I have a keyboard I like. I have some headphones that I 03:43:06.380 --> 03:43:10.700 like. There's no real reason for me to come back to the website if that's all they're ever really 03:43:10.700 --> 03:43:18.060 doing now. But yeah, they used to get into some funky stuff and they were really around the original 03:43:18.060 --> 03:43:23.180 idea of Mastrop, which was just like using collectivism to get cheaper prices on things. 03:43:24.460 --> 03:43:32.220 And that was really neat. And then they stopped doing that, I guess. Corsair was a really weird 03:43:32.220 --> 03:43:39.260 company to take public. Like this seems like it has not gone particularly well. Yeah. 03:43:40.620 --> 03:43:43.980 The timing was a little rough, wasn't it? Didn't they go public over COVID? 03:43:43.980 --> 03:43:49.740 Here, Max, I think so. Maybe their goal was just go public during COVID. 03:43:49.740 --> 03:43:52.620 Well, it was at a high, right? Everyone was like hyper into gaming and streaming. 03:43:53.660 --> 03:44:00.620 I mean, the owner is out, I think. Don't quote me on that though. Does Andy Paul still own any of... 03:44:01.180 --> 03:44:06.460 Oh, does he not have a Wikipedia page? Well, that's something that he won't have in common 03:44:06.460 --> 03:44:13.180 with you if we get our way. Oh my God. Don't never forget, guys, Luke Lefrenier needs a Wikipedia 03:44:13.180 --> 03:44:22.140 page. Yeah, Hobbes is saying they used to have actual group eyes, too, that were exclusive to 03:44:22.140 --> 03:44:27.340 Mastrop. Seriously, how important is this guy compared to Luke Lefrenier? Is this your relative, 03:44:27.340 --> 03:44:32.780 by the way? Yeah. Oh, that's cool. Very, very disconnected, but technically along the line 03:44:32.780 --> 03:44:40.620 somewhere, yes. That's super neat. I poked through a couple family relatives to figure out, like, 03:44:40.620 --> 03:44:45.980 is there a chain... Oh, whoa, he's good. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Dang. I was thinking about, 03:44:45.980 --> 03:44:49.660 get, my dad has one of his jerseys. I was thinking about one of, getting one of his jerseys recently. 03:44:49.660 --> 03:44:58.300 14 points in 16 games in the 23-24 playoffs. Bit of a gamer. They're not doing so great, though. 03:44:58.300 --> 03:45:03.500 The Rangers, yeah. Yeah. So there, his jersey was on sale recently, and I might actually grab one, 03:45:03.500 --> 03:45:07.740 because it'd be kind of cool to have a jersey with your name on the back that is not a custom jersey. 03:45:08.460 --> 03:45:11.100 You know, that's pretty sick. That's pretty cool. 03:45:13.740 --> 03:45:18.460 What was I going to say? Yeah, Insomniac in Phil Pinchott also said it's kind of like what 03:45:18.460 --> 03:45:23.100 happened to Humble Bundle over the last five-ish years. Humble Bundle is still a thing. 03:45:23.100 --> 03:45:25.740 Humble Bundle is still a thing? Wait, no, I think I knew that. No, no, I knew that. 03:45:27.980 --> 03:45:33.260 Humble Bundle. What do they have? What do they do? Get great games every month with Humble Choice 03:45:33.260 --> 03:45:39.740 for only $18. Oh, it's a subscription. Is it a subscription? I think it's a variety of things. 03:45:41.260 --> 03:45:46.780 Bundles. Okay, games. About books. Oh, yeah. You can Humble Bundle books. They had some Linux 03:45:46.780 --> 03:45:51.980 administration thing recently, and I was like, oh, interesting. And then I was like, I'm not 03:45:51.980 --> 03:45:57.500 diving that far in. I think you get to keep them, though. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. So it's not like, 03:45:57.500 --> 03:46:03.100 I think GameBass works. No, no, no, no. Yeah, it's a, I don't know if there is a subscription 03:46:03.100 --> 03:46:08.620 or not, but either way, Humble Bundle has always been, you keep it. So if they did have one, I'm 03:46:08.620 --> 03:46:16.940 sure it would be, it'd be like a loot box kind of thing. Not a pay to access. Okay, so these are just 03:46:19.580 --> 03:46:25.580 overwhelmingly positive games bundle. I mean, that sounds pretty good. I like overwhelmingly 03:46:25.660 --> 03:46:33.180 positive things. Here we go. All right. But then I have to pay at least 03:46:34.700 --> 03:46:40.380 $20 and 46 cents. Oh, you will get, you will get all eight items. Oh, yeah. All of these are all 03:46:40.380 --> 03:46:49.340 items. So what if I put in a dollar? Oh, okay. No, you have to pay at least $20 and 46. Okay, 03:46:49.340 --> 03:46:53.260 that's interesting. It's not that bad for that many games. I don't know how much they cost outside 03:46:53.260 --> 03:46:59.260 of Humble Bundle. Yeah, me neither. But apparently they're all like super, super positive. 03:46:59.260 --> 03:47:02.460 Highly rated. So that's something. What is bug fables? 03:47:02.460 --> 03:47:07.020 Monster train is good. I played monster train. Oh, yeah. Okay. I found a bug in that game that made 03:47:07.020 --> 03:47:14.620 me like, I could beat anything no matter what. They have this, I played both monster trains now. 03:47:14.620 --> 03:47:20.460 I think that's monster train one. In monster train two, there's like different floors and you put 03:47:20.460 --> 03:47:24.700 your units on the floors and then enemies come on and they attack once and then they go up a floor. 03:47:25.260 --> 03:47:31.820 And I found this mechanic where there's a card where you, you can play the card and then it will 03:47:31.820 --> 03:47:36.540 move one of your characters on the floor. And then there's an affix that you can put on the 03:47:36.540 --> 03:47:40.540 character that makes it so that they gain a permanent stat when they move. But the, 03:47:41.580 --> 03:47:46.300 it would try to figure out where the character would move before you played the card when you 03:47:46.300 --> 03:47:51.020 would hover the card over. But that would mean that the character would move as far as the game 03:47:51.020 --> 03:47:55.900 was concerned. So you could just highlight the card over and then un-highlight the card rapidly 03:47:55.900 --> 03:48:05.180 and you just gain permanent stats. Just completely broke the game. I did it for one run because I 03:48:05.180 --> 03:48:09.260 thought it was funny. And then I was like, I'm never doing that again. I have to like, you know, 03:48:09.260 --> 03:48:13.020 it removes the entire fun of the game if you do that. But yeah, I just made it, you could just 03:48:13.020 --> 03:48:21.180 one-shot anything. It was, it's pretty good. It's pretty good. Cool. Let's one-shot this message 03:48:21.180 --> 03:48:26.940 from our sponsor, AppControl. Our applications on your controller getting out of control. We'll 03:48:26.940 --> 03:48:32.780 check out our sponsor, AppControl. It's a task manager, but with more features. AppControl has 03:48:32.780 --> 03:48:36.860 things like historical resource monitoring. 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Obviously, the WAN Show is a trustworthy place to get all your favorite tech news. 03:49:22.060 --> 03:49:26.300 But how much do you trust any other outlets? Our sponsor, GroundNews, is here to help you 03:49:26.300 --> 03:49:31.980 break free from media bias and better understand where your news comes from. They bring together 03:49:31.980 --> 03:49:36.460 articles from several sources and let you see things like political bias, ownership, and how 03:49:36.460 --> 03:49:41.900 reliable the reporting tends to be. Let's talk about NVIDIA for a second. When it comes to covering 03:49:41.900 --> 03:49:46.940 NVIDIA, and specifically talking about AI, it doesn't look like the right-wing side of the 03:49:46.940 --> 03:49:52.060 media landscape reports as much as the left. And we see this mirrored in another story regarding 03:49:52.060 --> 03:49:57.740 Google rolling out Nanobanana 2, an update to a Gemini's AI image generation model. Based on 03:49:57.740 --> 03:50:01.580 the information on GroundNews, it seems that right-leaning sources only report on AI news 03:50:01.580 --> 03:50:07.500 would involve Wall Street earnings. Things like the blind spot feature or these bias breakdowns 03:50:07.500 --> 03:50:12.620 can help you ask important questions when engaging with the news. So get the transparency you deserve 03:50:12.620 --> 03:50:20.460 from your news and save 40% on GroundNews's Vantage plan with our QR code on Steam. That actually 03:50:20.460 --> 03:50:29.580 leads very well into another topic, which is that Paramount is set to take over Warner Brothers. 03:50:30.540 --> 03:50:35.180 Netflix has officially dropped out of the bidding war to acquire Warner Bros. Discovery, 03:50:35.180 --> 03:50:42.460 which leaves Paramount Skydance in the lead to acquire Warner Bros. Pictures, CNN, and HBO Max. 03:50:43.100 --> 03:50:51.420 Paramount already owns CBS, Paramount Plus, Comedy Central, and Nickelodeon. They agreed to pay a 03:50:51.420 --> 03:50:57.580 massive $7 billion termination fee if the deal fails to get regulatory approval. 03:50:58.460 --> 03:51:05.420 Netflix's co-CEO stated that they declined to match Paramount's revised $31 a share offer, 03:51:05.420 --> 03:51:11.740 so approximately $111 billion, because it is no longer financially attractive. 03:51:11.740 --> 03:51:17.340 Yeah, I should think not. There's a significant amount of political drama surrounding this deal, 03:51:17.340 --> 03:51:24.860 because Paramount's bid is not enabled by Paramount doing so good that they have so much 03:51:24.860 --> 03:51:30.460 money that they can run around scooping up former competitors. It's because instead, Paramount's 03:51:30.460 --> 03:51:37.420 bid is backed by a major right-wing donor, Larry Ellison. Meanwhile, Netflix's co-CEO, Ted Sarandos, 03:51:37.420 --> 03:51:40.460 reportedly visited the White House hours before dropping out of the bidding war. 03:51:41.820 --> 03:51:46.060 Interesting. The merger isn't finalized yet, but is expected to face heavy scrutiny, 03:51:46.060 --> 03:51:51.100 well will it though, from both the US Department of Justice and, this is more likely, from European 03:51:51.100 --> 03:51:55.100 regulators. The California Attorney General has already confirmed that there's an open 03:51:55.100 --> 03:52:02.940 investigation with the California DOJ. Discussion question, is streaming trending towards a giant 03:52:02.940 --> 03:52:11.740 monopoly worse than we ever had with cable TV? Yes. Yes, it is. That's why the pirate hats are coming out. 03:52:16.380 --> 03:52:17.340 Yeah, so this is 03:52:21.180 --> 03:52:27.260 more consolidation in the media we consume is bad. Yeah. I will say that, and hopefully 03:52:28.140 --> 03:52:33.260 that is simple enough that everyone on every side of the political spectrum can 03:52:35.020 --> 03:52:45.340 kind of go, oh yeah, that makes sense, and recognize that this is bad. Cool. Good chat. 03:52:45.340 --> 03:52:55.740 By the way, Paramount owned CNN. Yeah, I said that. 03:52:55.740 --> 03:53:00.700 Oh, okay, I didn't hear that part. So this is going to be very interesting in terms of- 03:53:00.700 --> 03:53:04.060 It's like a pretty obvious reason why there's so much pressure to actually do this. 03:53:04.060 --> 03:53:10.540 Yes, that's as far as I can tell the only reason that certain people involved in facilitating 03:53:10.620 --> 03:53:16.300 this deal have any interest in it whatsoever. Speaking of weird stuff, HP is selling 1.2 03:53:16.300 --> 03:53:24.140 terabyte laptops on Amazon. Kinda. The HP store on Amazon is selling low-end entry laptops, 03:53:24.140 --> 03:53:33.500 and advertising them as 1 terabyte plus devices. The catch? 1 terabyte of the storage is OneDrive 03:53:33.500 --> 03:53:42.060 cloud storage. Also, in the case of this 1.6 terabyte one, 512 gigs of it seems to be- 03:53:42.620 --> 03:53:47.100 Oh wait, 512 gigs of it seems to be a portable hard drive. Wait, what? 03:53:49.660 --> 03:53:52.940 Let me see if I can find it. What is this picture? Is this AI? 03:53:56.380 --> 03:54:00.540 Could be. That water bottle is on her knee. 03:54:01.340 --> 03:54:06.780 This- Is this just bad Photoshop or is this AI? I can't tell. Cause like clearly this shadow 03:54:06.780 --> 03:54:10.060 under here would also- She would have shadows under her fingers. 03:54:10.060 --> 03:54:12.380 Yeah, but like where's the water bottle? Oh, yeah. 03:54:13.420 --> 03:54:17.180 Yeah, it's AI. You think it's AI? I'm pretty sure. It could be a bad Photoshop. 03:54:17.900 --> 03:54:21.500 Uh, well, what's the graph? Yeah, let's have a look at these. 03:54:22.860 --> 03:54:27.500 That's AI. This is AI. Yep, okay. 03:54:31.180 --> 03:54:34.540 Nice. Okay. Well, that answers it. Yeah. 03:54:37.020 --> 03:54:43.820 Very cool. Very good. Yes. That's a little ridiculous. Is this deceptive marketing? Yes. 03:54:44.620 --> 03:54:47.900 I mean- They do specify in the title that it's OneDrive. They first say it's 03:54:48.700 --> 03:54:55.180 1.6 terabyte of storage. Like, ah man. Yeah, I think it is. This one's better. 03:54:55.180 --> 03:54:58.940 This one's better where they don't combine it. That's totally fine. 03:54:59.500 --> 03:55:04.460 However, this is still- Don't mind that at all. This is still yucky. That's a problem. This is still super yucky. 03:55:04.460 --> 03:55:09.100 The title on this one is fine. Yes. The category is not, but the title on this one is totally fine. 03:55:09.100 --> 03:55:16.220 However, how long is this included for? Unless it's forever. It's less than years then. 03:55:16.220 --> 03:55:21.100 They could fix it if it was a fixed period of time. I don't even care if it's less than years. 03:55:21.100 --> 03:55:25.660 If it's not forever, it would, in my opinion, would need to be in brackets at the end. 03:55:26.220 --> 03:55:34.700 Plus one terabyte of cloud storage for three years. Or if the price for the product said the upfront price and the subscription to maintain that 03:55:34.700 --> 03:55:40.860 storage. Sure. I'd be fine with that as well. That would also be fine. I think so. Also fully acceptable. Yuck. 03:55:40.860 --> 03:55:44.940 We got a no notes. The king of plasma TVs is done making TVs. 03:55:44.940 --> 03:55:50.060 Panasonic is pulling a Sony and giving Skyworth control of their television business 03:55:50.060 --> 03:55:53.340 with the aim for the Chinese firm to take over manufacturing, 03:55:53.340 --> 03:55:58.380 marketing, and selling Panasonic TVs across the US and Europe. 03:55:58.380 --> 03:56:04.380 Earlier this month, Panasonic announced plans to eliminate 12,000 jobs globally, 03:56:05.900 --> 03:56:11.820 which is a surprisingly only 4 to 5% of their workforce. That's a giant company. Holy crap. 03:56:11.820 --> 03:56:15.420 Panasonic makes like a lot of stuff. Yeah. 03:56:15.420 --> 03:56:18.460 Just apparently not a lot of TVs these days. 03:56:19.020 --> 03:56:21.980 To be clear, they're pulling a Sony in the sense that they are 03:56:23.900 --> 03:56:27.100 offloading their TV business at least to a certain degree. 03:56:27.100 --> 03:56:31.260 They seem to be doing it much more so. To a Chinese company. Yeah. But they're doing it a lot more into a different company. 03:56:31.260 --> 03:56:34.300 Yeah. It's a Skyworth rather than TCL, which is to Sony. 03:56:34.300 --> 03:56:38.140 More like, it seems like more of a partnership on the Sony side, 03:56:38.140 --> 03:56:43.500 because they own part of the joint venture, whereas it seems like Panasonic is just like, 03:56:44.460 --> 03:56:51.260 okay, you go ahead. This feels kind of like when you'd see an old brand that used to be cool, 03:56:51.260 --> 03:56:56.620 like you'd see an RCA flat panel. You'd be like, did RCA ever make flat panels? 03:56:56.620 --> 03:57:02.300 Then you look into it and it's just made by some random Chinese brand. 03:57:02.300 --> 03:57:06.380 Sad. Another no notes, but I suspect we'll talk about it for a little bit. 03:57:06.780 --> 03:57:12.860 YouTube rep has confirmed the ability to filter member-only videos. 03:57:12.860 --> 03:57:15.900 As of right now, our LTT memberships are back online. 03:57:15.900 --> 03:57:20.860 They sure are. You should still go to LMG.GG slash FPUan for better pricing, 03:57:20.860 --> 03:57:25.420 but it's there if you'd rather stay on YouTube, which we know some of you would. 03:57:26.060 --> 03:57:30.460 We're slowly uploading new exclusives, new as in they weren't uploaded 03:57:31.260 --> 03:57:36.380 as of when this membership thing was turned off in the past. So some of it will be a couple of months back. 03:57:36.380 --> 03:57:41.740 We're still in the process of uploading new exclusives. It's taking a while, as apparently there's a limit on videos uploading. 03:57:41.740 --> 03:57:46.540 Oh, that makes sense. That does make sense, but I'm surprised it applies to all channels. 03:57:47.500 --> 03:57:50.940 Yeah, I could see that. There's a lot of hacks and stuff. Yeah, I could see that. 03:57:50.940 --> 03:57:58.060 Yeah, that's fine. So the feed is going to be kind of a mess, but Luke is going to show you guys real quick 03:57:58.060 --> 03:58:03.740 a super awesome hack for not seeing any of the members' videos if you don't really want to. 03:58:04.380 --> 03:58:09.820 For one thing, you can say, don't show me these anymore. And for another, excuse me, you can click this thing. 03:58:09.820 --> 03:58:15.260 You can click on public. There you go. Boop, they're all gone. And then you won't see any of them, which is why we agreed. 03:58:15.260 --> 03:58:18.620 Not a bad solution. Yeah, that's why we agreed to turn them back on. 03:58:18.620 --> 03:58:21.180 You can also click on just members only. You could do that. 03:58:22.220 --> 03:58:25.660 Or you can. Oh, why is that a thing? I saw that and tried to click away from it. 03:58:29.740 --> 03:58:33.100 I did not. I did not. 03:58:34.380 --> 03:58:38.620 I don't even know what that's in reference to. 03:58:38.620 --> 03:58:41.580 I don't either. Freakin' Sammy. 03:58:42.380 --> 03:58:43.420 Can't trust that guy. 03:58:46.300 --> 03:58:49.900 Oh, man. All right. Hey, this is fun. 03:58:49.900 --> 03:58:55.580 Remember how I said that I had faith that Apple was going to add end to end encryption 03:58:55.580 --> 03:58:58.860 for RCS to iPhone to Android communications? I do. 03:58:58.860 --> 03:59:03.660 They almost immediately did as part of the beta. 03:59:03.660 --> 03:59:09.420 So they are now testing that. The second beta of 26.4 has support for it. 03:59:09.420 --> 03:59:13.180 So that's pretty cool. Our discussion question is, 03:59:13.180 --> 03:59:16.380 now that Apple's original lack of encryption argument no longer applies, 03:59:16.380 --> 03:59:19.500 what do you think was the real reason they waited so long to adopt RCS? 03:59:19.500 --> 03:59:22.540 Shame. It's just definitely shame. Because they just plain didn't want to. 03:59:22.540 --> 03:59:24.620 Yeah, they wanted to shame Android stuff. Yeah. 03:59:26.860 --> 03:59:29.900 There's a new app that lets us track Sammy specifically. 03:59:29.900 --> 03:59:34.540 No, it's people with smart glasses. But realistically, it's just Bluetooth devices. 03:59:34.540 --> 03:59:38.220 But in this case, it's probably coded for specific IDs that show you smart glasses. 03:59:38.220 --> 03:59:41.980 Anyways, with millions of pairs of smart glasses now in the wild, 03:59:41.980 --> 03:59:45.260 you never know who might be secretly filming. And you still won't. 03:59:45.260 --> 03:59:49.100 But a new app called Nearby Glasses scans for Bluetooth signals 03:59:49.100 --> 03:59:52.300 and warns users when smart glasses may be in use. 03:59:52.940 --> 03:59:58.460 The app is currently available on the Google Play Store with iOS in the works. 04:00:00.780 --> 04:00:04.860 Neat. Leaked charger for a new iPhone. 04:00:04.860 --> 04:00:06.460 Apparently they're going magnetic only. 04:00:08.140 --> 04:00:11.420 Blah, blah, blah. It's a portless iPhone on the way. 04:00:11.420 --> 04:00:13.740 We've all known this was going to happen for a while. 04:00:14.780 --> 04:00:19.420 No, this seems very, very rumor-milly. Okay, I'm not engaging with that. 04:00:21.260 --> 04:00:26.060 What else we got here? Discord is delaying its global age verification rollout. 04:00:26.060 --> 04:00:30.540 Discord is now pushing back their rule changes to the second half of 2026. 04:00:31.180 --> 04:00:36.300 Before they introduce the new rules, the company will be adding more options for users to verify their age 04:00:36.300 --> 04:00:43.340 and add the ability to make spoiler channels, which are essentially age-gated chats for NSFW topics. 04:00:43.340 --> 04:00:46.460 They also plan to publish a blog post explaining exactly 04:00:46.460 --> 04:00:50.540 how their age estimation systems work. Well, that'll be an easy way to get around them then. 04:00:50.540 --> 04:00:55.660 Quote from Discord CEO says, The way this landed, many of you walked away thinking 04:00:55.660 --> 04:00:59.420 we're requiring face scans and ID uploads from everyone just to use Discord. 04:00:59.500 --> 04:01:04.380 That's not what's happening, but the fact that so many people believe it tells us we failed at our most basic job, 04:01:04.380 --> 04:01:07.260 clearly explaining what we're doing and why. 04:01:15.020 --> 04:01:19.660 Okay, well, we'll see how it goes in another six months or so. 04:01:19.660 --> 04:01:22.540 Yeah, the problem is the way this landed was you were working with like 04:01:24.380 --> 04:01:29.100 the Palantir guy. I don't remember his name right now. Yeah, like it's just not a great look. 04:01:29.100 --> 04:01:32.940 That's, I think, the main reason. It's the main reason why I was pissed. 04:01:33.740 --> 04:01:37.420 Hey, do you want to be not upset? Yeah, sure. This is pretty cool. 04:01:37.420 --> 04:01:42.860 Ars Technica posted this article. In spite of big offers from tech companies, 04:01:43.660 --> 04:01:48.140 many farmers are being supremely based 04:01:48.140 --> 04:01:51.740 and refusing to sell their land for data center use. 04:01:51.740 --> 04:01:55.340 So based. 82-year-old, this is so cool. 04:01:55.340 --> 04:02:01.340 82-year-old Ida Huddleston told representatives of a Fortune 500 company 04:02:01.980 --> 04:02:08.620 when she rejected their offer of $33 million for 650 acres of Kentucky farmland. 04:02:09.180 --> 04:02:12.300 There's a quote, you don't have enough to buy me out. 04:02:12.940 --> 04:02:15.980 I'm not for sale. Leave me alone. 04:02:15.980 --> 04:02:17.100 I'm satisfied. 04:02:19.980 --> 04:02:23.820 Based. Another farmer in the same county or country, 04:02:23.820 --> 04:02:27.820 it says country, but I'm sure they mean county because obviously they'd be in the same country. 04:02:28.940 --> 04:02:34.700 75-year-old Timothy Grocer declined a proposal to name your price 04:02:34.700 --> 04:02:37.900 when a tech company sought to buy his 250-acre farm. 04:02:38.460 --> 04:02:44.380 This was reported by The Guardian. The money's not worth giving up your lifestyle, Grocer said. 04:02:46.460 --> 04:02:49.900 Based. Based. And agricultural land. Farmer's being based again. 04:02:50.700 --> 04:02:57.420 Agricultural land has been a target because it has access to water. 04:02:59.420 --> 04:03:06.700 It has traditionally been relatively inexpensive for the amount of area you can get per dollar, 04:03:06.700 --> 04:03:10.700 which if you're trying to build a sprawling data center might be an advantage. 04:03:11.580 --> 04:03:14.940 I think access to power has also been an advantage traditionally. 04:03:14.940 --> 04:03:17.500 Oh yeah, farm power. Yep. It's like way cheaper. 04:03:18.460 --> 04:03:25.020 There's a discussion question here. It says here in BC we have the agricultural land reserve to theoretically at least protect farmland. 04:03:25.020 --> 04:03:28.220 Do you think other regions could follow that example? I think they could. 04:03:28.220 --> 04:03:35.260 I think the agricultural land reserve is extremely documentedly and I mean you could just take a drive in some of those areas 04:03:35.900 --> 04:03:41.980 horrifically abused by the ultra-rich in BC to just have insanely massive mansions, 04:03:41.980 --> 04:03:45.260 pay way less in power, pay way less in taxes, 04:03:45.260 --> 04:03:50.860 pay way less in lots of different things by just kind of basically pretending that they're farmers 04:03:50.860 --> 04:03:55.500 by having a tiny little bit of their land dedicated to farming something. 04:03:55.500 --> 04:04:04.620 It's very, very common that it's wine grapes and then they'll have somebody because very little 04:04:04.620 --> 04:04:08.780 maintenance and then you have somebody come gather your grapes and sell them or whatever 04:04:08.780 --> 04:04:12.220 and you don't do any of the labor and you make no money off of it, 04:04:12.300 --> 04:04:16.060 but you are allowed to classify yourself as a farm. 04:04:16.060 --> 04:04:21.500 This is like just one of the many, many ways that BC is extremely well known for just excessive 04:04:21.500 --> 04:04:24.060 amounts of scams, just tons and tons of scams. 04:04:24.620 --> 04:04:29.020 I mean that's a farmhouse, right? That sure do be a farmhouse, brother. 04:04:30.380 --> 04:04:34.060 Let's go. There are tons of these in BC. 04:04:34.060 --> 04:04:37.100 That is like we are here. Tons of them. We are here. 04:04:37.980 --> 04:04:40.780 That is like here. Hell yeah. 04:04:41.340 --> 04:04:46.300 Those crops, all those crops behind there, that's making so much money. 04:04:46.300 --> 04:04:50.060 They have solar panels though, so it's fine. That's making so much money, dude. 04:04:51.180 --> 04:04:55.420 Hope this is not that easy to do with a touch pad, but let's see. 04:04:55.420 --> 04:05:00.140 Let's see what else we can find. Let's play. And it's wild because you'll see like a very legitimate operation. 04:05:00.140 --> 04:05:04.780 Yeah, here's a farm. And everything looks pretty normal. And then you see a mega mesh and you're like, oh. 04:05:05.500 --> 04:05:10.140 What are we looking at here? What about second house or is that a garage? 04:05:10.700 --> 04:05:13.740 Actually, this one's not that bad. This one's not that bad. That looks pretty normal. This was fine. 04:05:13.740 --> 04:05:19.260 I don't want to point out it. Like there are a lot of very legitimate farmers in BC, 04:05:20.060 --> 04:05:24.380 but it's extremely expensive land. So it's very, very difficult to get into. 04:05:24.380 --> 04:05:28.540 And you're bidding against people like potentially this 04:05:29.100 --> 04:05:34.300 that are just building mega mansions and then, you know. 04:05:36.140 --> 04:05:40.540 Chillin'. Playing farmer game by paying someone else to take care of their land. 04:05:40.540 --> 04:05:45.740 I've also heard that if you are like, oh, the land's really bad. 04:05:46.940 --> 04:05:49.820 I haven't been able to make any money off of it because it's crap. 04:05:51.260 --> 04:05:57.340 Can we rezone it for not farmland? That is pretty hard from my understanding. 04:05:57.340 --> 04:06:01.820 People try. I'm sure they try. I'm sure they try, but my understanding is it's pretty hard. 04:06:01.820 --> 04:06:03.820 I'm glad. Yeah. 04:06:07.980 --> 04:06:11.500 Yeah. How many garages is that? Six? That's a lot of garages. 04:06:11.500 --> 04:06:14.460 Is there more garages on the right there? Chebus. 04:06:16.620 --> 04:06:20.220 Absolutely wild. They look like they do some legitimate farming. 04:06:20.220 --> 04:06:23.980 Yeah, but there's also the thing where you can hire people to come in and legitimately farm. 04:06:23.980 --> 04:06:28.220 No, for sure. The one that I'm talking about is like way more egregious. 04:06:28.220 --> 04:06:32.300 There's a lot of ones a little further away from here. 04:06:32.300 --> 04:06:34.140 Like more in the kind of all the Grove area. 04:06:35.580 --> 04:06:37.580 Look at that house. Wow. 04:06:38.780 --> 04:06:42.540 And meanwhile, this one. Damn. 04:06:43.180 --> 04:06:47.020 Oh my. Damn. That's a big house. 04:06:51.020 --> 04:06:53.820 Oh my God. This one couldn't even all be in a straight line. 04:06:57.420 --> 04:07:01.580 They're not even pretending that they ever go any farther out of the house than 04:07:01.580 --> 04:07:03.500 this wall. Yeah. 04:07:04.780 --> 04:07:08.060 Sure, though. We go, you know, do crop things. Oh my God. 04:07:08.060 --> 04:07:12.540 Look at this one. The main thing, the main thing that stands out to me, like if they actually, 04:07:12.540 --> 04:07:16.940 if they actually end up producing like good crops, I don't really care that much. 04:07:17.500 --> 04:07:20.620 If they happen to be super rich and they're like, whatever, I'll farm this land and I'm 04:07:20.620 --> 04:07:24.940 going to just pay someone else to do it and I'll slap a house here. Like that doesn't bother me that much. 04:07:24.940 --> 04:07:31.980 The main, a little bit, but not that much. The main ones that bother me is when they just have like a tiny amount of the property 04:07:31.980 --> 04:07:35.580 dedicated to that, like minimum requirements, which is often not that high. 04:07:36.620 --> 04:07:40.380 And then they do it. It's like yikes. Look how many cars are in front of this place. 04:07:41.500 --> 04:07:44.300 You know, you can only drive one at a time, right? 04:07:44.860 --> 04:07:47.580 Some of these might be multifamily. Oh, I'm sure they are. 04:07:48.540 --> 04:07:50.940 Yeah. Well, that was just a guy and his dog. 04:07:52.540 --> 04:08:00.220 Need 12 bedrooms. There's an extremely, if you want to have fun one day, if you go around Google maps, 04:08:00.220 --> 04:08:08.220 there's way more than I thought there was. Look into how much people make in this province and then just have fun looking down some of the roads. 04:08:10.780 --> 04:08:15.180 Look at, look into some of the costing of certain areas and go, wait, wait a minute. 04:08:15.180 --> 04:08:19.500 Oh, you mean all the illegitimate money? Yeah. Oh yeah. So that doesn't make any sense. 04:08:20.220 --> 04:08:23.660 The top end of people's earning in this province is, you know, this much. 04:08:23.660 --> 04:08:27.420 That means there's that many people, a huge percentage of them live in Vancouver. 04:08:27.420 --> 04:08:29.980 Okay, cool. What are all these places? 04:08:30.620 --> 04:08:35.900 How is there so many places worth like double digit millions of dollars? 04:08:35.900 --> 04:08:45.100 And there's just so many of them. Are across the street neighbors when I was in my teens were just known to be gangsters. 04:08:46.620 --> 04:08:52.540 I think I've told you the story probably a few times. One of the in-home geek squad guys when I worked at geek squad, 04:08:53.420 --> 04:08:56.860 worked at like a very obvious Hell's Angels place. 04:08:57.740 --> 04:09:01.020 And the guy just like was laughing about, he offered him a beer and stuff. 04:09:01.020 --> 04:09:05.100 And he said, no, obviously. And then as he was leaving, he was like, guess what I do for work? 04:09:05.100 --> 04:09:13.100 And he was like, what? And he's like, I don't remember what he said. I repair, I work for like a refrigerator repair company or something. 04:09:13.100 --> 04:09:20.780 And then just huge belly laugh. I was like, like, it's like clearly, clearly, clearly. 04:09:20.780 --> 04:09:24.780 He had like a crazy Harley. He had some, he had some leathers and stuff. 04:09:24.780 --> 04:09:27.260 Like it was, it was very obviously a Hell's Angels, bro. 04:09:28.460 --> 04:09:30.220 Just, just messing around. 04:09:31.500 --> 04:09:36.060 I'm in waste management. That's a pretty, that's a, that's a pretty big tell. 04:09:40.380 --> 04:09:43.500 Yeah, BC, BC. Ah, man, I don't remember what it was. 04:09:43.500 --> 04:09:48.940 I'm pretty sure it was New York times. It was a long time ago, but they did like a most corrupt place in North America 04:09:48.940 --> 04:09:54.860 and ended up being Vancouver. This was, this was quite a while ago. Things have probably shifted a little bit, but probably not that much. 04:09:54.860 --> 04:10:01.180 There is a lot of money moving around in BC in, in illegitimate ways. 04:10:01.180 --> 04:10:05.020 Well, Sean Caldera was actually talking to me about what's going on in Fort Langley right now. 04:10:05.660 --> 04:10:11.420 Where, where real estate developer bro couldn't get permits to build just like whatever he wanted. 04:10:11.420 --> 04:10:15.900 So he ran and became the mayor so that he could just green light whatever he wanted to do. 04:10:16.540 --> 04:10:22.620 And then his influence is spreading. And like the whole vibe of Fort Langley has changed very significantly 04:10:22.620 --> 04:10:26.060 because there was all these rules about historical buildings 04:10:26.060 --> 04:10:28.700 and how high they could build and all this kind of stuff. And he's blown that out. 04:10:29.820 --> 04:10:32.780 And now it's just like, another suburb. 04:10:33.660 --> 04:10:39.820 Well, the, the one main street, it just, it doesn't feel historic so much anymore. 04:10:39.820 --> 04:10:41.900 There's a couple, there's a couple buildings here and there. 04:10:42.940 --> 04:10:47.580 But it just feels like, I don't know. I'm in like a trendy street in Vancouver now. 04:10:47.580 --> 04:10:51.100 And it's just in the middle of nowhere. It's kind of sad. 04:10:53.180 --> 04:10:54.460 I should put in a whole foods. 04:10:58.940 --> 04:11:00.700 Man, it's a pretty small place, maybe a half. 04:11:02.220 --> 04:11:05.660 Oh my goodness. Sorry. Oh man. 04:11:05.660 --> 04:11:09.340 What were we even talking about? Who knows? 04:11:09.340 --> 04:11:12.620 Farmers refusing to sell the data centers. Oh yeah, cool. Based. 04:11:12.620 --> 04:11:17.900 Based. Sam Altman, Defense AI at the India AI Impact Summit. 04:11:21.100 --> 04:11:24.620 Are you ready for your eyes to just about roll out of your head? I don't know anything about this topic. 04:11:24.620 --> 04:11:29.820 Yeah. Open AI CEO Sam Altman argued that it's unfair to only look at the energy consumption it 04:11:29.820 --> 04:11:33.420 takes to train an AI because it also takes a lot of energy to train a human. 04:11:33.420 --> 04:11:40.380 Sorry, I wasn't ready for that at all. 04:11:41.900 --> 04:11:47.500 That's wild. We would need to factor, if this is a quote, 20 years of life 04:11:47.500 --> 04:11:50.380 and all the food you eat during that time before you get smart. 04:11:50.940 --> 04:11:54.860 Oh, so humans are just, it's just the matrix now. 04:11:55.580 --> 04:12:00.220 Altman further claims that if you compare a GPT inference query to a human answering 04:12:00.220 --> 04:12:05.100 a question, probably AI has already caught up on an energy efficiency basis. 04:12:05.100 --> 04:12:06.220 Holy crap. 04:12:08.540 --> 04:12:15.980 Whoa, dude. He completely dismissed concerns over chat GPT's water usage as totally fake, 04:12:15.980 --> 04:12:19.100 arguing that modern data centers don't use a evaporative cool. 04:12:19.100 --> 04:12:22.700 I mean, some of them do, but that, I mean, that I'm not even going to pick apart that 04:12:22.700 --> 04:12:26.300 much when the whole like, okay. 04:12:27.020 --> 04:12:36.540 Oh man, good Lord. So here's, here's the, okay, I could, I could wax philosophical on the value of a human life 04:12:36.540 --> 04:12:41.500 and therefore just obviously being more valuable than, you know, an AI agent or whatever, right? 04:12:41.500 --> 04:12:47.820 Like I could, I could do that, but instead I'm going to go all the way to the hyper capitalist 04:12:47.820 --> 04:12:53.020 side and I'm going to meet you on your own turf and I'm going to say why that was such a 04:12:53.020 --> 04:12:55.100 f***ing stupid thing to say, okay? 04:12:56.140 --> 04:13:02.700 In a way that is undeniable, that AI will never pay taxes. 04:13:03.820 --> 04:13:07.500 Oh, all right. 04:13:08.620 --> 04:13:13.340 All right. You're done, bud. All right. False equivalency. 04:13:13.340 --> 04:13:21.020 And I don't even have to get into whether humans have a soul or, you know, or just the. 04:13:21.020 --> 04:13:24.620 If you look at all the ways that OpenAI started, he was talking about how it was going to save 04:13:24.620 --> 04:13:29.420 humanity and a universal basic income and all this kind of stuff. And now he's saying like, ah, you don't need the plebs. 04:13:29.420 --> 04:13:33.660 Yep. I've got chills. Damn. It's, he's getting a little bit more real here. 04:13:33.660 --> 04:13:35.660 Boom. Which might be good. Boom. 04:13:37.740 --> 04:13:41.740 Scam Altman. Yeah. You can't tax the AI. Pop more colors, Sam. 04:13:42.860 --> 04:13:50.140 I'll never forget. So that's why we should, that's why we should, even from a hyper capitalist, 04:13:50.700 --> 04:13:55.020 don't care about anything, but more, more money standpoint. 04:13:55.020 --> 04:13:59.980 That's why we should invest in humans and, and training humans. 04:14:00.700 --> 04:14:04.860 And we should not invest in training. Mitch, what am I looking at? 04:14:04.860 --> 04:14:08.700 Why can't I scroll up? There we go. What is this? 04:14:08.700 --> 04:14:11.100 Yeah. Do you have two collars? He sure does. 04:14:12.060 --> 04:14:16.140 Pop in colors, Sam. We didn't forget about Looped, Sam. 04:14:16.140 --> 04:14:19.660 It was a scammy company. You lied about your users. We didn't forget, Sam. 04:14:20.540 --> 04:14:21.500 A little evil boy. 04:14:24.060 --> 04:14:30.380 I don't like you. You know what's funny is we had like that, that concept of a line of, of clothing products. 04:14:30.940 --> 04:14:35.500 So we had the, the Steve, that turtleneck, that mock neck that was based on Steve Jobs. 04:14:35.500 --> 04:14:39.180 The Sam, did he just have a green? Just have like a stupid double collar on it. 04:14:39.740 --> 04:14:42.780 That would be amazing. I think we won't do that. Yeah. 04:14:44.060 --> 04:14:49.420 The Italian government has declared all cloud storage users guilty in advance. 04:14:49.980 --> 04:14:55.180 A levy of up to 30 euros per year will be applied to cloud storage accounts 04:14:55.180 --> 04:15:00.620 based on the reasoning that that storage space could be used for copyright infringement. 04:15:01.980 --> 04:15:07.340 The Italian Minister of Culture signed a decree extending the levy that previously 04:15:07.340 --> 04:15:12.540 applied only to physical media and at the same time increased the fees for physical media. 04:15:13.100 --> 04:15:17.100 The Italian Society of Authors and Publishers welcomed the move while Italian consumer and 04:15:17.100 --> 04:15:20.300 technology advocacy groups are calling the move anachronistic. 04:15:21.740 --> 04:15:27.900 These sorts of levies are not new. Germany introduced similar levies in the 1960s after legislators were convinced 04:15:27.900 --> 04:15:31.020 that cassette recorders would destroy record sales. 04:15:31.020 --> 04:15:36.140 Fun fact, did you know that the Canadian private copying levy is still set to 29 cents per blank 04:15:36.140 --> 04:15:43.020 CD and has been extended to 2027? That's one of the reasons that blank media was more expensive here than it was in the states. 04:15:43.660 --> 04:15:48.940 However, I am going to say something once again, I know, huge surprise to everyone, 04:15:48.940 --> 04:15:56.940 that might come across controversial. The levy on blank CDs was actually a lot simpler for me than the Canadian government 04:15:56.940 --> 04:15:58.940 actually enforcing copyright. 04:16:02.380 --> 04:16:06.540 I paid a little bit of levy on every blank CD and I never worried about 04:16:07.660 --> 04:16:22.860 like the music industry busting down my door. Sure. I, and as long as this levy kind of sits there as an invisible shield against me ever actually 04:16:22.860 --> 04:16:28.940 like being punished in any way for the songs I downloaded on Napster, I was actually pretty 04:16:28.940 --> 04:16:34.780 chill with it. Italian friends, I encourage you to explore self-hosting. 04:16:36.860 --> 04:16:39.900 Yeah, you can do that too. You have your own cloud. It's blackjack. 04:16:39.980 --> 04:16:41.180 And they don't have to know about it. 04:16:43.100 --> 04:16:46.380 Nice. Solid. Oh, hey, well, is that it for topics? 04:16:47.100 --> 04:16:50.860 Oh, do we talk about open claw? Yeah, I didn't catch that much about it. 04:16:50.860 --> 04:16:52.860 The lady had her emails deleted. 04:16:54.060 --> 04:16:57.580 Yeah, it's, we don't have notes on it. I don't know enough about it. 04:16:57.580 --> 04:17:03.100 Cool. No, let's not do that then. But it is, you want to, here, let's just do this bit. 04:17:03.100 --> 04:17:06.940 Let's just look at their website real quick. The AI that actually does things. 04:17:06.940 --> 04:17:10.700 I mean, it does do that. Clears your inbox a little bit too much, maybe. 04:17:10.700 --> 04:17:14.220 Sends emails, manages your calendar, checks your invite, flights, all that kind of stuff. 04:17:14.220 --> 04:17:17.820 Look at this. What it does, what it does, what it does. 04:17:19.100 --> 04:17:22.860 It runs on your machine. It uses any chat app that it has. 04:17:22.860 --> 04:17:28.380 It has persistent memory. It controls your browser. It has full system access, including reading and writing files, 04:17:28.380 --> 04:17:32.060 running shell commands, executing scripts, full access, 04:17:32.060 --> 04:17:33.340 or potentially sandboxed. 04:17:35.260 --> 04:17:40.060 And people are letting this rip. Apparently, Facebook researcher person, 04:17:40.060 --> 04:17:44.620 it deleted their entire inbox. It's probably efficient. Not entire, but a lot of it, yeah. 04:17:44.620 --> 04:17:48.140 Emails are slowing them down. Delete the whole thing. 04:17:48.140 --> 04:17:48.780 Maybe that's good. 04:17:51.740 --> 04:17:54.540 Sweet. I don't think we have a ton else to say. None of us have used this. 04:17:58.620 --> 04:18:02.380 It's super dangerous. It uses an old OS with a ton of vulnerabilities. 04:18:02.380 --> 04:18:04.700 Yeah, not too surprised. It is what it is. 04:18:08.140 --> 04:18:08.620 Neat. 04:18:12.460 --> 04:18:15.180 All right. Dan, do you want to switch us over to After Dark? 04:18:17.820 --> 04:18:22.300 Wait, are you? Hold on. I don't have Twitter installed. 04:18:23.260 --> 04:18:26.300 That's one of my problems. When there's somebody that I can only communicate with on Twitter, 04:18:26.940 --> 04:18:28.540 I just constantly uninstall it. 04:18:30.220 --> 04:18:35.020 Then I'll install it again because I have to go message somebody and then I'm like, oh crap, I ghosted this person for a while. 04:18:35.980 --> 04:18:39.580 I hate that it's like sometimes the only way to contact people. 04:18:39.580 --> 04:18:42.780 Hey, you want to know what's already started? What? After Dark? 04:18:42.780 --> 04:18:43.100 Oh. 04:18:46.620 --> 04:18:50.140 And you can tell how controversial it is. 04:18:52.140 --> 04:18:53.180 Like press ratio. 04:18:55.820 --> 04:19:00.300 Oh, man. I'm surprised you went back to it. 04:19:00.300 --> 04:19:04.860 I don't know anything about Popeyes. I've never used it. I know nothing about it. I have no opinions on it. 04:19:04.940 --> 04:19:09.100 I just, yeah, I'm surprised once scorned he returned. 04:19:12.620 --> 04:19:17.180 Well, the narrative last time should be, 04:19:18.220 --> 04:19:21.340 or the narrative last time was that was a fluke. 04:19:22.940 --> 04:19:26.780 That should never have happened. Yeah. They patched the bug. That's not normal. 04:19:27.740 --> 04:19:31.100 And I was like, I- Was that the only thing? 04:19:31.100 --> 04:19:34.620 I don't remember. Yeah, because I just never got as far as even like 04:19:35.340 --> 04:19:38.380 almost the first thing and then it nuked and then you went somewhere else. 04:19:38.380 --> 04:19:39.420 And then I went elsewhere. Yeah. 04:19:41.420 --> 04:19:45.740 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, Dan, hit us. 04:19:45.740 --> 04:19:51.020 Sure thing. Hey Linus, a while ago you teased us with a sling bag 04:19:51.020 --> 04:19:55.660 for handhelds and tablets. Any updates on that sling bag? 04:19:56.700 --> 04:20:04.380 Oh, shoot, probably, but I can't actually remember 04:20:04.700 --> 04:20:09.980 right now. Matthew's working on it. I saw a newer version of it a little while ago. 04:20:11.100 --> 04:20:16.780 I think we put it on pause waiting around for Switch 2 is what I want to say. 04:20:16.780 --> 04:20:20.220 So the latest version of it has, it's bigger, 04:20:20.220 --> 04:20:28.540 so it could accommodate a Steam Deck, but it has an insert so that you can put like a Switch 2 securely in it or a Switch 1. 04:20:28.540 --> 04:20:32.540 But it's tough, man, when the form factors of these handhelds are so- 04:20:32.540 --> 04:20:37.180 They vary so much. Yeah, they're so different in terms of their thickness and girthiness, 04:20:37.180 --> 04:20:41.740 and all those are both kind of the same thing. But like whether they have like handles on them 04:20:41.740 --> 04:20:49.020 or whether they're like super skinny with Joy-Cons, like it might be one of those things where when we finally release it, 04:20:49.020 --> 04:20:52.860 it's ultimately not really what you want because we have to target something 04:20:52.860 --> 04:20:55.340 or we end up targeting nothing and then nobody wants it. 04:20:56.140 --> 04:21:03.500 What chipset are you using for the Linux challenge? 04:21:03.500 --> 04:21:07.100 I've used Linux since Slackware 1.0, 04:21:07.100 --> 04:21:11.260 and I can't get anything to work properly on Strix Halo. 04:21:16.140 --> 04:21:19.660 I constantly forget the hardware in my system because I didn't build it myself. 04:21:19.660 --> 04:21:27.100 Interesting. I am using a variety of chipsets, one of which is Strix Halo. 04:21:27.100 --> 04:21:29.580 I'm actually, I think this is launched now so I can show it, 04:21:30.460 --> 04:21:35.100 but I've been using this PX13 from ASUS for a little bit. 04:21:35.100 --> 04:21:40.700 It's a Strix Halo system with a, yeah, convertible thing. 04:21:41.260 --> 04:21:46.220 It's basically the old Flow X13, but without the XG Mobile, 04:21:46.220 --> 04:21:51.980 without a dedicated GPU, with 40 gigabit per second USB-C, 04:21:52.780 --> 04:21:57.980 and with beefy cooling and Strix Halo. 04:21:57.980 --> 04:22:00.860 This is a side note. I think it's not worth uploading our back catalog. 04:22:02.060 --> 04:22:08.140 I'm just going to side note real quick. I know we can press the thing and I think that's really cool, 04:22:08.140 --> 04:22:13.100 but when people don't, I guess, I don't know how to uncheck it. 04:22:13.100 --> 04:22:17.020 So this is what the page looks like. It's a temporary issue though. 04:22:17.020 --> 04:22:21.180 But there is literally no videos on my entire page that are not members only. 04:22:22.860 --> 04:22:25.100 And I don't know if people are going to know to click this. 04:22:26.220 --> 04:22:30.620 Yeah, it's so little of how people find our videos anyway, like really like negligible. 04:22:30.620 --> 04:22:34.060 I'm just boomer boy. Yeah, pretty much. I do that to find videos. I know. 04:22:34.060 --> 04:22:35.660 Okay. Yeah. That's fine. 04:22:37.260 --> 04:22:41.260 Okay. 04:22:41.260 --> 04:22:44.620 And it's temporary. I fully acknowledge it's a problem. 04:22:44.620 --> 04:22:48.860 You're right. I think some people were upset about it being on the home page. 04:22:50.140 --> 04:22:53.260 Home page. I think you can just click. I'm not interested in this on the home page. 04:22:53.260 --> 04:22:56.620 You can't do that on the actual channel page, but you can just click public on the channel page. 04:22:56.620 --> 04:23:01.100 There are solutions everywhere as far as Mary's saying it goes. It does seem to remember. 04:23:01.100 --> 04:23:03.900 It will forget after a little while, but it will remember. 04:23:05.180 --> 04:23:10.220 Okay. More merge messages. Hey, Luke, do you still play the new Mario Kart? 04:23:10.220 --> 04:23:13.180 No. I quit the first day. 04:23:13.820 --> 04:23:18.700 I bought a Switch. This is probably the most disappointing purchase in a while. 04:23:18.700 --> 04:23:21.900 I bought a, I went blind into the new Mario Kart. 04:23:21.900 --> 04:23:25.020 Just expecting, you know, I've enjoyed like every Mario Kart. 04:23:25.020 --> 04:23:28.380 Someone's screaming no wrong. It's correct for me. 04:23:30.940 --> 04:23:34.620 Yeah. I bought a Switch to almost exclusively four Mario Kart. 04:23:34.620 --> 04:23:39.180 I played Mario Kart 8 and Mario Kart 8 Deluxe both a lot. 04:23:40.060 --> 04:23:45.980 I played Mario Kart 8 on the Wii U a bunch. And then I played Mario Kart 8 Deluxe or whatever it's called 04:23:45.980 --> 04:23:49.260 on the, on the Switch quite a bit as well. 04:23:49.260 --> 04:23:51.740 I played mostly on the Wii U, I think, but I also played on the Switch. 04:23:53.420 --> 04:23:57.820 Very excited about new Mario Kart. Was excited, just didn't look into things because I didn't want it spoiled. 04:23:59.100 --> 04:24:05.980 Played a fair bit in one day. And the whole time I was just like, I don't like certain things about this. 04:24:05.980 --> 04:24:10.620 I really, I always really loved drifting in Mario Kart. 04:24:10.620 --> 04:24:14.460 Loved it. And then now it's like the drifting was weird. 04:24:14.460 --> 04:24:18.540 It didn't feel good for a variety of reasons. And I don't think I'm the only one that thinks that. 04:24:18.540 --> 04:24:22.460 And then they have this new like rail grind thing that I really did not like. 04:24:24.540 --> 04:24:33.260 They had a few other things that just made it really whack. It felt even more encouraging of exploits than previous Mario Karts. 04:24:33.260 --> 04:24:36.860 Usually in previous Mario Karts, the exploits were cool, but kind of hard to do. 04:24:36.860 --> 04:24:44.460 So you wouldn't see them in like online competitive play much. And literally day one, people were doing like under map exploits and crazy stuff 04:24:44.460 --> 04:24:48.140 in the new one because of all the different systems that they support that is just kind of whack. 04:24:52.540 --> 04:24:55.820 Yeah, I did not have a good time and I have not played it since. 04:24:57.340 --> 04:24:59.340 Honestly, my Switch 2 is not getting a lot of play time. 04:25:00.460 --> 04:25:05.820 Yeah. Like probably sell it. I think my son made the wrong call. 04:25:06.620 --> 04:25:09.980 I think he should have gone with a handheld PC. Disappointing. 04:25:09.980 --> 04:25:12.940 Man, I was talking about that when it launched. He uses it when we travel. 04:25:13.500 --> 04:25:18.060 And in fairness to Nintendo, it'll probably have like a seven year lifespan. 04:25:18.060 --> 04:25:21.660 Yeah, probably. So there'll be plenty of time for Banger Games to come out for it. 04:25:21.660 --> 04:25:27.740 I'm going to interject here with another merch message. What you're referring to as Switch 2 is in fact Switch Plus 2, 04:25:27.740 --> 04:25:29.500 or as I've taken to referring, sorry. 04:25:31.500 --> 04:25:34.940 Line is wondering if your son is still liking the Switch 2. 04:25:35.020 --> 04:25:39.260 My daughter is now asking for one as a high school graduation gift. 04:25:40.700 --> 04:25:41.900 He's not using it that much. 04:25:44.860 --> 04:25:51.100 Bottom line, he likes it when he uses it. He uses it when we travel, but like we don't travel that much. 04:25:51.100 --> 04:25:54.860 And usually when we travel, we're like doing stuff. 04:25:54.860 --> 04:25:57.980 Like our two of our recent trips were ski trips. 04:25:58.620 --> 04:26:01.660 So we're up early. We eat. We ski. 04:26:02.380 --> 04:26:08.220 We come home. We maybe play like some card games or hang out. 04:26:08.220 --> 04:26:11.980 We let them bring their friends on one of the trips. So the kids brought some friends. 04:26:11.980 --> 04:26:16.860 So they hung out for a little bit and Yvonne and I hit the hot tub. And then we all collapse in our beds. 04:26:17.580 --> 04:26:22.700 And I mean, the way we travel is pretty type A. 04:26:23.740 --> 04:26:27.580 So like I'm talking, we leave here Friday night. 04:26:27.580 --> 04:26:32.940 We ski Saturday morning. We sleep in the hotel for one night. 04:26:33.820 --> 04:26:37.260 We ski Sunday and fly home Sunday. 04:26:37.260 --> 04:26:41.260 Like 48 hours doorstep to doorstep from home to home. 04:26:41.260 --> 04:26:44.060 Oh yeah. So there's not a lot of room for like 04:26:45.020 --> 04:26:48.780 playing Mario Kart on your Switch in all of that. 04:26:49.660 --> 04:26:54.460 Oh, by the way, totally unrelated. I tried skiing for the first time in over 25 years. 04:26:56.540 --> 04:27:00.860 It was fine. Back to boarding. Yeah, I think I'm going to go back to snowboarding. 04:27:00.860 --> 04:27:05.340 Yeah. But not because like skiing is like a problem, 04:27:05.340 --> 04:27:09.100 but just because I've only boarded for over 25 years, 04:27:09.820 --> 04:27:14.620 I am more comfortable and therefore having more fun on a board. 04:27:14.620 --> 04:27:19.260 I talk to my kids about this all the time, how you have to kind of, when you're an adult especially, 04:27:19.260 --> 04:27:22.460 you kind of have to invest in getting good at something 04:27:22.460 --> 04:27:26.860 to have fun with it. And I hate that video games have become that now 04:27:26.860 --> 04:27:31.580 because I used to think, well, I'm really like jumping 04:27:31.580 --> 04:27:35.660 between topics here, but I used to hear people say, yeah, I only really play single player stuff now 04:27:35.660 --> 04:27:39.980 because like multiplayer is not fun because I'm not sweaty enough. And I didn't feel like things were that sweaty then, 04:27:39.980 --> 04:27:44.380 but now I'm totally there. I don't think this is age. 04:27:44.380 --> 04:27:48.700 I think things have changed. I'm not sweaty and sweaty enough of a skier 04:27:48.700 --> 04:27:52.220 to have fun skiing the way that I have fun boarding though. 04:27:52.220 --> 04:27:55.020 So if you look at like Counter-Strike lobbies back in the day, 04:27:55.820 --> 04:28:00.380 even the try-hards back then, in not all cases definitely, 04:28:00.380 --> 04:28:03.580 but in a lot of cases would be seen as like very casual players these days, 04:28:04.220 --> 04:28:06.940 in regards to the effort put into the game, 04:28:07.500 --> 04:28:11.660 like the fact that it is genuinely common for people to like warm up and aim trainers, 04:28:12.620 --> 04:28:17.420 like no, dude. That's crazy. The sweaty guys play every day after work. 04:28:18.380 --> 04:28:21.500 Wow. Yeah. And now what do you have? Yeah. 04:28:21.500 --> 04:28:28.140 60 hours a week of practice. That's crazy. And like it's like, I remember I played on some pretty good teams 04:28:28.140 --> 04:28:32.380 and I remember like the idea of practicing if it wasn't just a scrim was like- 04:28:32.380 --> 04:28:35.740 Was funny. Insane. Like like you would- What are you talking about? 04:28:35.740 --> 04:28:40.140 Like when I was in high school, if someone said they were practicing a video game, 04:28:40.140 --> 04:28:43.180 like you would have gotten an involuntary chortle, 04:28:43.180 --> 04:28:44.300 like just like that one. 04:28:46.300 --> 04:28:51.660 But like even on the team- It's hilarious to think about it. I remember our like our best player was talking 04:28:51.660 --> 04:28:56.700 about how you wanted to do like effectively aim training and like teaching people some like movement things 04:28:56.700 --> 04:28:59.900 and stuff like that. And everyone other than me was like, 04:29:01.260 --> 04:29:05.820 no, I'll scrim. I'll like play and just get better through playing. 04:29:05.820 --> 04:29:10.700 Let's do some monkeys. What are you talking about? I'm not going to like, no, not a chance. 04:29:11.500 --> 04:29:15.180 And now people like very voluntarily on their own, 04:29:15.900 --> 04:29:19.740 just to queue up like normals. They're not on a team. 04:29:20.380 --> 04:29:24.940 None of this matters. They're going nowhere. We'll like practice and aim trainers for a long time 04:29:24.940 --> 04:29:31.340 before they jump online. Like the playing field has legitimately shifted. 04:29:31.340 --> 04:29:33.740 We have not just gotten older. It's probably both. 04:29:34.460 --> 04:29:36.300 Yeah. But it's not just getting older. 04:29:40.940 --> 04:29:44.540 Last one I've got for you tonight. Whale VIP here. 04:29:44.540 --> 04:29:48.300 Oh, what's up? Gigi on the Helldivers game. Yeah, it was my first time playing. 04:29:49.020 --> 04:29:54.300 It was fun. It's a good game. What game slash activity slash, et cetera. 04:29:54.300 --> 04:29:58.220 Do you wish you could have done it at the LAN? I wanted to chair curl and I missed it. 04:29:58.220 --> 04:30:00.940 I was busy chair curling is so fun. 04:30:01.660 --> 04:30:05.180 I still can't believe your dad didn't win. He got, yeah, he got. 04:30:05.180 --> 04:30:08.860 Didn't he win at one of our things once? Thought so. Yeah. Okay. 04:30:08.860 --> 04:30:13.740 Somebody, he had a great shot apparently. And somebody just like whipped their chair and took his chair out. 04:30:13.740 --> 04:30:18.940 I mean, that's curling, right? There's, yeah, there's, there is offensive measures to this game. 04:30:18.940 --> 04:30:23.660 But you only have one shot. You can't like in a curling game, it goes back and forth constantly. 04:30:23.660 --> 04:30:28.700 You, you throw your chair once, right? Right. So like you had a good shot and it got taken out. 04:30:28.700 --> 04:30:33.820 It just is what it is. All right. Some of it's like the order that you just happened to be in. 04:30:35.020 --> 04:30:37.820 I don't know. What was I going to say? 04:30:39.340 --> 04:30:45.820 Yeah, I wish the, I wish the eight V eight. We got to kind of figure that out because that I really, I already agreed with the vision. 04:30:47.020 --> 04:30:51.980 But now I saw the vision. And it was bright and there was just issues with it. 04:30:51.980 --> 04:30:55.900 Yeah. I hope we can get there. Yeah. It will take a long time. 04:30:55.900 --> 04:30:58.940 There were a lot of technical issues with the eight V eight this year. 04:30:58.940 --> 04:31:03.420 When we were using it, it was great. The whole idea of everyone just sits down and you just play. 04:31:04.140 --> 04:31:08.860 And there's no like, oh, sorry. No, I don't have you on steam. 04:31:08.860 --> 04:31:15.420 So can someone lobby up so that we have like, like only maximum of two degrees of separation 04:31:15.420 --> 04:31:19.580 between whoever's running the lobby and okay. Sorry, are we using the official servers? 04:31:19.580 --> 04:31:23.420 Oh, well, I only have a pirated version of the game. So I'm not going to be able to join an official server. 04:31:23.420 --> 04:31:27.340 Oh God, well, no, I have the official game. I have to go get a pirated version of it. 04:31:27.340 --> 04:31:32.700 Good Lord. Like just that whole, that whole four plays just so not sexy. 04:31:32.700 --> 04:31:35.820 For me, it was also just the defaultness of it. 04:31:36.540 --> 04:31:42.540 People gathered near the entrance of the eight V eight. And everyone was like, we're playing Halo. 04:31:43.500 --> 04:31:46.700 There is a blue side and a red side. Yep. 04:31:46.700 --> 04:31:50.940 There is the blue team and the red team. I wonder what team I should join. 04:31:52.380 --> 04:31:56.060 Oh, no, you just joined. I'm blue seven. 04:31:56.060 --> 04:31:58.540 Well, I joined blue, like cool. 04:31:59.500 --> 04:32:03.260 Like there's, there's no, you just get into the game pretty quick. You just start playing. 04:32:03.260 --> 04:32:08.860 It was, it was, it was pretty sweet. We had some issues with the net booting and well, well, there were some problems. 04:32:08.860 --> 04:32:11.340 We'll figure it out. We'll figure it out. 04:32:11.980 --> 04:32:16.060 We need someone who's going to own it and then, and then they'll own it. 04:32:16.700 --> 04:32:20.460 Huge props to the whale land team. Shout out Evan and Pankrat. 04:32:20.460 --> 04:32:28.540 I think they might mean Yvonne or do they mean Evan, like our new social guy? 04:32:32.380 --> 04:32:35.980 Cool. Evan the volunteer. Yeah, I thought so. I thought that might have been his name. Oh, that guy. 04:32:35.980 --> 04:32:37.740 Evan's pretty based. Yeah. Evan's cool. Yeah. 04:32:39.340 --> 04:32:46.300 And archive. I'm really bad with names. So I thought his name was Evan, but I didn't want to say it, but yeah. 04:32:46.380 --> 04:32:49.420 Okay. Well, is that it for the man show? All right. 04:32:49.420 --> 04:32:52.620 We'll see you again next week. Oh, same bad time. Same bad channel. 04:32:52.620 --> 04:32:55.660 I feel like that's not going to be me. All right. Four hours flies by when you're having fun. 04:32:55.660 --> 04:32:57.180 Bye. Bye.