Intel is LOSING its DIGNITY - WAN Show July 14, 2017
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·Linus Tech Tips
·2018-05-06
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uncharacteristically throwing shade at the competition which For the First Time
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Threadripper and ryzen 3 have tons of
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X vrm and thermal paste and power
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consumption mess has been explored by Tom's Hardware and we've got John here
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to specially cover a legal topic that we
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wanted to get into uh which one was it where is it where is it Zillo the Zillow
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uh copyright infringement case which sounds a lot less interesting than it
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actually is there we go Zillow massive website tries to sue uh
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satirical blogger over photos that Zillow doesn't even own so brilliant so
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it's going to be a good one so let's go ahead and roll the intro and we'll see you on the other side R the intro yes it
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playing with the focus yeah oh thank you P that is that is just wonderful and the
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Tweet is up this is I didn't even notice so this is how double tweets happen Okay
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Chrome thank you all right so the
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original topic here is from uh wow I
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not Boy Scouts we not really prepared we're going to jump right in this was
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originally posted over on ours Technica
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and oh we're doing this okay in a nutshell uh here we go Linus's screen is
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it going to work is it going to work is it oh wow there we go
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yes okay so take me through this John
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what is going on here so uh as you can
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see on the uh screen grab there site called uh mcmansion hell and for those
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of you who don't know or probably mostly people not from the US or what's a McMan
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a MCM is a large yet relatively cheaply
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built house it was um they were building them all over the place in the US before
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um the housing bubble burst in the late 2000s and uh they're they're larger but
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like I said slightly cheaper cheap more cheaply built built houses and so this
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um this blogger started this website called mcmansion hell and this blogger
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is I think an architectural student so she was going through and posting all
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these pictures of homes that she
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considered to be mcms and telling people oh these are terrible buildings that
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have terrible architecture here are the reasons why and this is a regular blog
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that she updated sounds pretty funny yeah it was pretty popular she had lots
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of visitors um who liked her sort of snarky take on oh LOL you could scrape
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these Windows off with a paint knife this is terrible um so she got a lot of these pictures
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from Zillow which is like this huge sort of like real estate site if you want to
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sell your house a lot of people use Zillow to post pictures of the house on
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there so sure okay yeah anyway Zillow
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got wind to this and they so they sent her a very angry cease and assist letter
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saying oh you're infringing our copyrights and you can't do this and
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this and that so um so this kind of blew
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up she freaked out she's like my is at stake so yeah so so she could lose her
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job but Zillow didn't take these photos
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no they didn't which is like a huge Wrinkle In this case so the photos that
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um people like they upload them to Zilla right so if you want to sell your house
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you take your own photos of your own house and you upload them the photos are
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yours and when so I had a look at take
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your own photos what are we doing here that's what you sound like sorry go ahead that's what I sound like okay
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thank you I know what I sound like I have plenty of people in the tech
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quickie comments hey John do you know that you sound like are you from the
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south yeah where where where are you from yeah it's what what do you have in
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your mouth what's wrong with your voice anyway so I think someone has asked me
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that one time okay anyway but all right so you take the pictures you put them on
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Zillow I had to look at zillow's terms of service and they say okay if you put
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pictures on Zillow you're giving us a non-exclusive license to to use them
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yeah that's pretty typical like even on the LT Forum um I believe your text
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content we actually say we own but pictures posted we something along
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those lines and okay so if you look at
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if you look at if Zillow can even Sue because that's the big one of the big
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questions it's like do they even have standing to Sue and and standing laws of
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it's kind of a simple concept to understand right it's if you're going to take someone to court you have to be a
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party to whatever the dispute is if someone walks in here and punches lonus
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in the mouth and knocks a few of his teeth out yeah I can't see neighbor well
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maybe you could your my livelihood is at
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stake because my boss can't come to work
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and shoot the videos that I write therefore but so yeah it's a bit more
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tenuous but but if let's say you were some complete freaking random yeah yeah
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you can't sue because you have nothing at well well if someone okay suppose
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that lions and I were just friends and we're walking down the street together
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friends suppose someone comes up to him just punches him in the face I can't sue
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that that guy on Lion's behalf he has to do it himself so the concept is that how
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how the concept applies here man I've had way too much caffeine just all over
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the place the way the concept applies here
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is that the fifth circuit which is was no it was the ninth I'm sorry but the
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ninth circuit in the US very influential appeals court right below the Supreme
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Court yeah uh there was a case from a couple years ago where they ruled that
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you have you can have standing to sue about infringement of someone else's
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copyright only if you have some sort of exclusive right which in their own terms
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of service do not have right if I don't
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know if it says nonexclusive specifically but but it doesn't
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specifically say it's exclusive what you would have to do correct so so this is
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whether they even have standing to sue the MCM hell blogger is very very very
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unclear I would my if I were to Hazard a guess I would say they do not but it
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didn't stop her from being embroiled in this big legal battle she's got some
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pretty prominent IP lawyers on her side right now but um it's it's an
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interesting question about you know who gets this could affect dank memes
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forever it absolutely could who gets to use Pepe which is which is why this
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conversation is important by the way which is why we're having it on L show
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but honestly I'm still not over how lowkey burned I just got about a minute
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or two ago there the suppose we were
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friends see with I qualified the statement by saying
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just let the records show I said just
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instead of friends plus cooworker lineus
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being on Facebook our current status would be it's
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complicated okay okay see see what you've done you've gone you've gone on
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you've made this something it isn't now there's going to be more horrible like
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fanfiction written about this thanks and
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now you're the one who invited it you're the who invited you know what let's have
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Luke join us let's have Luke join us for a fan fiction
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Extravaganza if we're going to invite it we might as well invite it what what's
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happening it's just that I don't want it's just that I don't want you to come
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between us oh okay I use the words just friends to to imply in illegal
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hypothetical involving me and lonus and things happen so quit get naked says
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twitch chat um speaking of violating the
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terms a service so
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basically Zillow still says
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um they they what do they want they
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wanted to take down the photos oh okay
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but what what what's interesting about this another thing that's interesting
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about this is that even if some Court said that Zillow has standing to sue
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which I doubt but if it gets to that phase yeah um one of the biggest things
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that courts look for whether to determine if a use of the copyrighted
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photo or something is fair use that turn gets thrown around a lot fair use is the
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effect on the market for the work who the heck is going to like start selling
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their random pictures of their random mcmansions and make tons of money off of
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them right you know so and I think so there's a there's a strong argument I'm
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not saying it'll win necessarily but there's a strong argument saying there's
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no real market for these pictures as being affected right so she wants to
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argue fair use but again like I said there's a standing issue may not even get to that point so okay got it yeah
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there there's multiple Hoops to jump through in in law if you've ever fought a traffic ticket I'm sure you've figured
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that out so all right well thanks John I'm going to have Luke tag in because he
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actually just arrived back from the one
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and only Silicon Valley can we talk about the juicero real fast before he
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tags out we can talk about the juicero okay hold on is that even in the dock
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yeah I put it in there like 45 minutes ago all right all right let's bring extremely quickly we'll do we're
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bringing up the juicero tell me about okay so this is also from ours um we
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ever talked about this thing before I know we haven't on the channel have we
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ever talked about it like on the W show cuz I don't believe we have not much we
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have yes I think yeah I think says a little bit we said yeah it's dumb okay
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I'll give you a really quick tldr um if
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also if you've seen any of of of critical videos on YouTube I'm sure
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you've seen this where he lampooned this ridiculous thing called the juicero and
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it's it is a juicer that originally cost
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$800 they've since dropped the price to$ 400 and now it's going to be down to
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below 200 according to this article from RS Technica but all it is it's this
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thing they ship you packets you know they look like they look like giant you
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know hot or coold packets or whatever they cost about $5 to $7 each you put
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them inside this thing you shut a door on it you press a button and it has to
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be connected to the internet at all times it squeezes the juice packet and 2
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minutes later you have the glass of juice that's literally what it does and
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it originally sold for um seven or I think it was $700 but it was very
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expensive okay so so apparently they've cut the price
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already they've cut the price down to $200 and they've laid off a bunch of
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their staff and my question is my
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question was why it was so expensive to begin with and apparently this thing was
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this it was ridiculously over engineered some website did a tear down of it and
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it was a really really high build quality which is great but sorry a he's
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a YouTuber oh a right okay A a did the
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did the tear down is that right Luke okay so he did the tear down and the
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thing was like I said absurdly over engineering all it was doing was just
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squeezing a bag of like fruits and vegetables to make juice out of it um so
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they decide to lower the price down to $200 but I'm wondering why not just get
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an actual like baller juicer from Bed Bath and Beyond or somewhere or Amazon
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for that price and you could even get like an Amazon Fresh subscription and
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have the veggies and the fruits delivered to your door if you're too lazy to go to the store to buy them
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instead of instead of
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this I mean could you see is there a universe where you would find this
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useful lus like if you wanted fresh juice after a bad mitton game or
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something um so I have a Vitamix okay so
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basically everything else can just get crapped
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on so no so no there you go and the
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stupid thing is that like as even at the
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$400 price point you could get a used Vitamix which by the way will probably
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run for like 50 years because those things are
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unbelievable um for the same price and then you could put literally anything
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like you could put a child in a Vitamix um we we don't advise you do that you
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can put has never happened well I can't say it's never happened yes um it's
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never happened to my children or in my presence or at my instruction there we
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go am I covering all my legal bases right now I I I I think you are please
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do not I I I know that I I I know that
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small children cry but please don't put them in the Vitamix anyway okay what
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what what uh what is this um modest proposal it's like you're channeling the
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guy who wrote mod basically this is so strange oh crap I'm hold on hold on
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Jonathan wait wait don't tell me ah no you already gave me enough of a
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hint Swift okay well dang it it we all
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we all know how intelligent you are L us it'll be all right so well it's remembering facts is not a not an
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indication of intelligence necessarily although an complete inability to
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remember any facts could be an indicator that you're not intelligent so what does
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that mean about people who remember a lot of facts
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nothing yeah I say that's I say that's I
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say that's accurate all right of course the twitch chat lonus likes Blended
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children confirmed no I don't like them why would I put them in a blender if I
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liked them wait what were we talking about
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the flavor of dead children onto our onto our next topic so uh thanks John
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thank you lus I feel like I'm supposed to shake your hand but like you work here I work with it's like yeah I know
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but it's like a I feel like we're like having guests on like a talk show right
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now and like that's what they always do they're always like yeah John welcome to the show hey John thanks for being on
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and we'll see you after the break yeah you don't fresh books don't shake my
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hand no you're not um you're not uh
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who's doing the light show now cool bear if you're not yeah cool bear I'm not
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cool bear you know what I just want to say uh thanks for having me on the show
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I really I really appreciate you he knows what's up he knows what he just he
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made you look so bad I I really appreciate the first he called me not a
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friend then he's like you're not cool bear like
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fine um oh man okay so do do do you want
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to talk about where you were like on a very high level yeah hell yeah let's do
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it I got freaking you burned owned you were down there for one only one side of
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your face and like what are you doing
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this side is white and this side is red you're brave is it that bad you're brave
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heart dude have to wait for this to catch up oh it's pretty bad you're brave
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heart okay what are you doing I I went to Twitch I went to hang out with my
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friend John and uh at one point in time he was like let's go get lunch at the
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pier didn't realize how far away the pier was so we walked for like a very
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long time it's like pier and they're like numbered or whatever right I yeah
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okay sure and then had to walk all the way back trendy in the Sun the whole
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time while I'm carrying my like ridiculously heavy backpack I picked up
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on that yeah that was uh that it was an
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experience so how's your how's your trip it was really good it was fun checking
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out twitch they are a crazy company um
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be careful what you say need I remind you what benevolent
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overlords um we are we are leaning on
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right now to broadcast this here stream this might be say oh oh Lordy it's
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Luke's mom oh good hello my favorite
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hi hi how many times have I talked to you
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Luke about sunscreen how many times I didn't know how long the walk was going
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to be your mom's on my side for a change you know you know you know when we went
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to Mexico mom lafrenier you know what
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happened he didn't bring any sunscreen
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at all he asked me to buy him a tube of
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sunscreen after he' already been burned which by the way is not how sunscreen
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works as you well know and then he didn't pay me back for
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it my
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God I didn't really remember the story then he said he didn't pay me back for
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it and I was like yeah it's probably true oh my gosh well the good thing
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about this is lonus he is now your
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problem whoa whoa hold
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on that's a big step we just shook hands
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I I not I'm not signing any
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documents taking legal custody of this
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guy getting adopted when you're in your like mid 20s heck yeah all right any
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more Burns lus and it's on
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you I I can't I can't she just
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leave wow hangs up even when I agree
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with your mom she still finds a way to to burn me even when we're on the same
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team maybe not as bad as maybe not as bad as I got burned yeah not as bad as
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you got burned but yeah it was it was a fun trip they have like a they have a
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multiple five versus 5 gaming lounges in their Studios they have uh uh a bar of
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course they open bar on Fridays of course they at least for the team that I
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was talking to they're like time policy they have unlimited vacation they show
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up anytime they want before lunch is served at twitch I don't know the exact
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time that that is it's not noon but it's like whenever it's served at twitch and
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uh yeah so when am I getting your two weeks
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notice no no no I I think I'm going to
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St I get a month at least a month yeah
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yes well that's okay I can train up a new Luke in that time no problem no
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problem at all yeah it was a fun trip though yeah pretty cool
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okay um so let's move on to our first
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topic this is is actually like okay
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little spicy so here's the thing you know you go hang around you know SLG or
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whatever and you'll find you'll find plenty of hate for Intel and their
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business practices and their Communications and you'll find hate for
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anything Intel um but for the most part for the last
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you know yeah eight or so years when they haven't really had
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a real competitor um Intel has put on a
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very good and it's up to you the
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individual viewer to pick your next word this is like a Choose Your Own Adventure
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book okay you can decide whether it's um
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whether it's having a a pretty professional uh uh uh image or a pretty
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professional facade it's up to you I
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don't care but for the most part they've been fairly professional and fairly
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dignified in their corporate
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Communications and their slide decks in
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their presentations to Partners and to
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the Press so this was originally posted by
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Finn Hulk fist on the Forum Finn Hulk
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fist I love that name any any Nordic
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names are just freaking awesome Hulk
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fist Nordic name oper cannot possibly go wrong is to have a
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name like Hulk vist um and the original
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I thought it was lit just Hulk fist oh no I was like I don't think that's a
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yeah no okay I got you um so
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Intel this is just unbelievable so
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posted by tech power up here in an official slide deck posted the following
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okay first of all there's some some debate in the
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industry as to um a couple of things
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number one as to how exactly Intel is
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deriving these smt numbers so so that's
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Intel's uh hyperthreading TM and amds
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what what are they calling it I I don't I can't remember whatever something
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something else but smt okay so um
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symmetrical multi multi threading y so where you take one core and you feed it
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a couple of threads so it can process both of them more efficiently than if it
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had just processed one thread in the first place okay so it's unclear a
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couple things number one how exactly they derive these numbers because they
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don't necessarily align with what all the sort of tech media are seeing and
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number two whether this is an applicable comparison in the first place because
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Intel's basically taken a Zeon
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6134 and they have run clock for clock
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against a ryzen 7 desktop chip with
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the clear argument being that this is a close analog because these are both
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eight core 16 thread processors running at 2.2 gigz now to be clear
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probably that comparison works fine
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because contrary to what the people who got really confused by mine and Luke's
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discussion about Vega Frontier Edition
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contrary to what those people think architecturally Hardware wise oh yeah
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the consumer grade stuff is often not
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materially different from the Enterprise grade stuff sometimes you'll see better
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binning a longer warranty you'll see more functional units enabled or you'll
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see some some Flags enabled for features
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that were turned off in order to artificially differentiate them that's
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where most of the difference comes from so fundamentally Intel's comparison here
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may not actually be that far off Hardware Hardware wise but that doesn't
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change that there are other questions here as well what's the
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Baseline uh that's one thing I really hate about these graphs single thre so
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that's the other thing you don't know is single thread I guess so improvement
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over Intel single thread improvement over AMD single I guess don't say
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anywhere well there's more information on slide 20 to 21 okay so that's that's
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fine honestly the negative 13% is just like what that's not well there are
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situations where hyperthreading as well does result in a performance lost right
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but I don't think we've seen that on ryzen we haven't but that specific
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workload that who knows how Cherry Picked or not Cherry Picked it is
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honestly that's not the thing that bothered me that much it's not that
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unusual whether it's AMD Intel or NVIDIA to include some basic performance
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comparisons when they're trying to make their product look good in a slide deck
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this one is one of the ones that blew me
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away where Intel basically gave
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themselves a check mark for robust
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ecosystem Decades of investment in software optimizations and validation
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easier application de deployment for customers and some of the stuff on here
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is just like
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um okay hold on a second uh like hold on what okay so yeah
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hold on hold on okay I'm trying to find something just totally stupid there were
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there were a couple that were that were really dumb like where gigabytes on here
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somewhere like what what software optimization are you doing with Gigabyte
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on your new server chip that AMD doesn't
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here it is so here's here's like Gigabyte on here because freaking or
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something so then AMD doesn't get
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Gigabyte on their list of Partners right
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not even Gigabyte literally none who I'm pretty sure that AMD works with question
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mark we didn't look into it not even super micro okay who I'm pretty sure
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that AMD is working with on their uh
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Naples product and by pretty sure I mean
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you can you can bet on that um and the
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list goes on and on I'm sure AMD has talked to
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Microsoft okay I'm pretty sure that conversation is going going on right now
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so they basically go ex they they take this quote
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totally out of context expect software
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optimizations needed for Naples just like ryzen which is fair but what Intel
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ignores is that when they launch a new architecture software optimizations are
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needed it is it is not even newsworthy
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whether it's Intel or AMD for there to be an aatom I believe is the singular of
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irasa okay RAM okay so some kind of
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weird bug where the CPU needs updated micro code and needs maybe even a driver
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fix in order to fix some kind of a weird Hardware bug that that stuff happens to
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both of them and basically they're going to go they they've turned that into
27:39
AMD's ryzen CPU gaming perform oh yeah okay so they took so they took another
27:43
quote totally out of context ryzen CPU gaming performance inhibited by lack of
27:48
optimization so they're basically saying look software not optimized for their
27:53
four die peret implementation likely a multi-year investment effort to develop
27:57
optimizing inv validate an ecosystem that is is taking a nugget of
28:04
Truth and blowing it up into a movie
28:09
theater room filled with
28:13
popcorn and a nugget is not even a kernel that's how far off we are random
28:18
little tidbit I can't verify this because I I can't find them but
28:21
apparently there's two Hitachi hitachi's just listed twice oh seriously which is
28:26
just kind of funny here's Itachi hold on here we go okay where's the other one so
28:30
here's a Hitachi and here's a Hitachi so Intel works with Hitachi so much that
28:36
they Hitachi while they Hitachi so they can Hitachi while they Hitachi that yo
28:41
dog they're they're that hardcore on Hitachi I mean for all I know there's
28:45
multiples that are in there twice because I don't think anyone looked that closely at this slide no I don't think
28:49
legal looked at this slide or maybe maybe they did but they were just like
28:53
yeah I don't really understand oh no no I thought IBM was in there twice but no
28:56
yeah all right okay and you know what's the craziest part is this is that that's
29:01
not even where this ends no like that's not even the super hardcore part this
29:05
isn't no in my opinion no no this gets worse and once
29:10
again in these black and white terms
29:14
okay okay oh Intel yes yes yes no no no no no
29:21
no this is like you know you know when you go to one of those like it's usually
29:26
slightly ghetto websites and they'll be like this is our product whole bunch of
29:30
check marks usually it's for like a video ripping software or right this is
29:34
their product no check marks they suck and sometimes it's on nicer stuff but
29:39
usually it's a little bit more granular and they'll actually show like yeah
29:42
their software does this thing but we do more of these things whatever but
29:46
usually it's the dignified way to do it whereas like the janky software way is
29:51
like has three red pixels in the bottom
29:56
corner yes doesn't
29:59
doesn't so here me so so let's go let's
30:03
go let's go back to this uh and I'm taking this out here because we got we
30:07
got to look at the slide proven system performance and
30:12
Innovation inconsistent performance from
30:15
four glued together desktop dies do I
30:19
detect that Intel is neither blue nor
30:23
red but perhaps a little green right now
30:28
about Infinity fabric wow because it's not glued
30:32
together and and do I detect some nearly
30:37
decade Old Salt right now from back when
30:41
AMD was crapping on Intel for gluing
30:46
together single core processors which by
30:49
the way Intel was super doing back when
30:53
they released the Pentium D series um compar compared to AMD's
30:59
architected dual core design do I detect
31:02
some salt here because a modular a
31:07
modular Core Design is not the same thing as taking your single core product
31:13
and slapping two dyes onto a
31:19
package okay let's carry on next point
31:22
architected for the data center which
31:25
has nothing to do with inconsistent Supply nothing at all and and poor track
31:30
record now you can go after AMD for having a bit of a poor track record over
31:35
the last little while sure I don't think that AMD's supply for opteron has been
31:41
the problem I just don't think anyone's wanted it for a while so basically Intel
31:45
is taking irrelevant unrelated points
31:49
and saying and we're architected for the data center which has nothing to do with
31:53
those other things we said also Naples
31:56
is super architected for the data center
32:00
okay AMD epic may have a silly gamery
32:03
name and it does yeah but that changes
32:06
nothing about the way that infinti fabric and the way that they built this
32:11
architecture for Mondo PCI Express Lanes
32:16
which is super a big deal for the data center right now absolutely is that has
32:21
nothing to do with the way that this product was designed for massive amounts
32:26
of memory and massive numbers of connected devices via
32:31
PCI Express okay carrying on robust software
32:37
and Hardware we're go we're going after that again we're going after the ecos
32:42
lack of ecosystem they have no ecosystem
32:45
none at all it doesn't exist you can't you can buy the chip you can't put it in
32:49
anything there's no software for it there's no compatible hardware for
32:52
here's the problem with this hard sales
32:55
pitch in this deck right now if if Intel had come out and
32:59
said look we've got a more mature ecosystem that's way more reasonable
33:04
we've been supporting the data center for the last 5 years in a way that AMD
33:10
has just been completely out of the game for we understand our customers better
33:16
than AMD coming in as practically an outsider is in a position to do right
33:21
now you know what the weird i' have gone okay the people who hate Intel are going
33:25
to hate this because they can find something to hate in anything that Intel
33:28
does but I can accept that this slide I
33:32
cannot accept this slide specifically feels like some person you know how you
33:37
know how every once in a while you'll see like Intel slides and it's obviously not a real Intel slide it feels like
33:41
some random dude on YouTube was like I have memes Intel's attacking AMD and
33:47
just like threw this slide together in five minutes this is dank memes this is
33:51
dank memes level yeah um and the the
33:54
show is not even over like the show is not not over there's but wait there's
34:01
more oh look at these look at these arrows
34:06
this is good bad this is like a lesson in how to not do PowerPoint it's like
34:13
the clickbait version of business marketing right fully integrated all
34:18
capital letters big Arrow yeah here's zons oh oh by the way uh hold on a
34:24
second okay yeah here's the way that all the cash communic Ates and we're just
34:29
kind of ignoring right now the way that all these cores are interconnected
34:33
because um in some okay now I'm not the the the Uber
34:41
architecturally you know yes I understand I'm intentionally speaking in
34:46
a non grammatically correct fashion right now because CPU low-level C CPU
34:52
architecture is not a strong point for
34:55
me I do lean on more technical people like Dr cutus over at Anon to explain
35:00
this stuff to me sometimes but to represent your CPU architecture as fully
35:06
integrated as though there aren't internal interconnects and internal
35:11
bottlenecks on a many core Intel Zeon is
35:15
not a fair representation of exactly how
35:19
that works and they're saying here single die implementation maximizes
35:23
performance and in some cases that may
35:27
affect performance positively compared to AMD's approach but to call AMD's
35:32
approach which by the way these coherent
35:35
links matter and the way that every set
35:38
of Zen cores so there's eight per module here the way that every set of Zen cores
35:43
has a coherent link against every single other one freaking matters notice the
35:50
cross links in the middle that
35:54
matters and they they dro the glued together again glued together is not a
36:00
fair representation of what AMD is doing over
36:06
there unbelievable rough um so it it kind it kind of
36:12
actually goes on and on but I feel like we've spent a long time on this topic
36:17
and the the point is this is beneath
36:23
Intel this is not an appropriate
36:28
dignified way for them to respond they don't have to like even if
36:35
it like we've seen this before it's not like AMD has never blindsided Intel with
36:42
an architecturally and price to Performance
36:46
Superior product Athlon 64 and first generation
36:52
opteron came in and kicked ass in a way
36:57
that Zen actually doesn't like Zen is
37:01
competitive but not not as crazy as like
37:04
yeah yeah but it's not like AMD came out
37:07
of absolutely nowhere and took the
37:11
performance crown and even when AMD had the
37:16
performance Crown it took a long time
37:21
outside of the Enthusiast space and the
37:25
and actually I mean on server it it kind of went better than on the desktop but
37:29
it took a long time for AMD to claw back
37:33
significant enough market share that Intel couldn't launch Core 2
37:39
Duo and basically crap all over
37:42
everything AMD had achieved in a very short period of time from a business
37:46
standpoint not from a an industry disruption and and moving all of us
37:51
forward standpoint I mean they brought us 64-bit on the
37:55
desktop um so the fact that Intel is is reacting in
38:01
this kneejerk undignified fashion it
38:04
doesn't make business sense it doesn't make company image sense it might not
38:10
even make legal sense yeah that's a little rough the glued Together part is
38:15
like specifically an issue
38:20
so basically come on
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45:12
now I just grabb one thing and you'd always be running around looking for
45:15
that one yeah all right so this was posted originally by Valentine on the
45:20
Forum and nonte is the original article
45:23
here we've got a lot more details about
45:27
Threadripper as well as ryzen 3 so the
45:31
Threadripper 1920x and 1950x are going
45:34
to be 12 and 16 core processors they are freaking huge that is a real human hand
45:38
for scale and they're going to cost $799 and
45:42
$9.99 AMD has basically come right in
45:46
and said nope this stuff doesn't cost
45:49
that much PNG the pricing
45:53
for Wow Skylake X is is now looking a
45:58
little bit out of whack I mean it remains to be seen exactly how well they
46:02
perform but we know clock speeds the 1950x will apparently have a base clock
46:08
of 3.4 GHz and a boost of 4 GHz
46:13
wow that is not freaking bad on that
46:17
many threads it's got a TDP of 180 Watts
46:21
that's fun though but I don't even care if ryzen is anything to go by it looks
46:27
like we might get a proper Tim so a proper thermal interface material which
46:32
will help to dissipate that heat and
46:35
because it is such a large I don't want to say chip because
46:40
that doesn't matter because the overall die area under the spreader is so large
46:45
we're going to see coolers that are optimized to have heat pipes across as
46:49
many of those processing cores as possible and it should be potentially
46:54
easier to manage also assuming that AMD
46:58
doesn't Rush the ecosystem too much
47:01
hopefully we won't run into any problems with the boards but all of that remains
47:04
to be seen and you know combined with um
47:09
combined with Intel's wos on x299 right now is further validation for all the
47:16
people criticizing me for moving our editors over to
47:20
x99 shortly before the x299 launch
47:23
that's why I do it because in much that
47:27
and it's it has nothing to do with bias it's not AMD Intel NVIDIA I don't give a
47:33
crap if it's Mission critical I am not
47:36
running you go one gen old then you have all the BIOS updates you have tons of
47:40
different chipset updates you have so much different and I might run it if it's one machine but I'm not going to go
47:45
and invest an entire workstation change
47:49
out in something that maybe it's good or
47:54
maybe I'm going to find out that that board that I put in there had has some
47:58
silly bug and needs to be recalled or whatever when that would be thoroughly
48:01
covered on forums Everywhere by that time buying a year old board that's
48:06
right I can just buy something that's based on the it's like the same
48:10
basically the same board as what we've been running on our test benches for the last you know year and a half speaking
48:14
of things you can do with this though are you going to go back to X Gamers one
48:19
CPU um not with Threadripper probably
48:23
okay uh but if we can get something going with Epic
48:27
okay I would love to do something very interesting with epic and you could even
48:31
be like genuinely won this time actually
48:35
yeah yeah yeah we could because a lot of people roasted lonus cuz it had two CPUs
48:41
in it it was supposed to be a play on
48:44
two girls one cup I know what it was supposed to be but I'm saying either way
48:49
I'm I don't really mind it that much I thought the joke was funny I I thought
48:53
the joke was funny everything's cool I'm just saying you could actually do it
48:56
time he is kind of a suck up isn't he John was right no get out of here I
49:00
don't even care I don't want you here anymore I'm hosting a show by myself I'm
49:04
still in the frame I could just talk louder for days
49:09
ow all right next topic sky like X mess explored I guess
49:14
it's my my my turn to throw it throw it Intel oh jeez it's kind of a rough day
49:20
hey so far Skylake X has been plagued by
49:23
two main issues at its stock settings it can barely be cool
49:27
uh oh your thing's in the way oh no sorry during normal operation this is
49:32
due to its power consumption being extremely high in some situations we
49:35
also found that the
49:39
uh there's a huge cooling issue with the board but I don't VM vrm yeah the vrms
49:44
had a huge cooling issue that was a couple weeks ago um there's barely any
49:48
room for enthusiasts to overclock also many motherboards limit Skylake X CPUs
49:53
further due to poor design choices like I just mentioned such as sufficient vrm
49:57
cooling so this may be this may be the
50:02
dawn of the motherboard um full cover block oh hey
50:09
so that's like that's been a thing yeah but it's never really made sense because
50:13
so going back um going back to like the early 2000s it was pretty common place
50:19
for motherboards to have little whiny annoying fans on them and then right
50:24
around the time of like I guess uh
50:27
enforce enforce 3 or enforce 4 what what
50:32
was the a8n 32 SLI
50:35
Deluxe slide Deluxe I can't remember what chipset that was I want to say
50:40
enforce 4 okay so that's an a832 SLI Deluxe
50:45
terrible image but you get the point so we did away with noisy um Northbridge
50:52
and especially Southbridge coolers cuz they have to keep it low profile uh
50:56
because you can install cards here right this SLI existed at the time um and we
51:00
did away with that and we moved towards this heat pipes that lie flat on the
51:05
board and carry all the heat up around the CPU socket area with the assumption
51:10
that either you're going to have an air
51:13
cooler sitting on your CPU that's going to generate enough passive air flow to
51:17
deal with the vrms here and here as well as the heat from the South Bridge and
51:21
the North Bridge which end up here so
51:25
that Paradigm has us pretty much until
51:28
now we might be returning to active
51:31
cooling on vrms if there's no other way to deal with this and honestly what this
51:37
kind of looks like to me is like Intel has said that like hey that we have a
51:42
plan for the roll out of core I9 so
51:45
we're going to do this here this here and it has to do with CPU yields it has to do with that honestly I wonder if
51:51
part of it has to do with that they just like actually on the engineering side
51:54
have no idea how they're going to launch this and they're just trying to buy some time
51:58
I could see it I this will be interesting because this going to be pretty much the first time ever that I
52:02
will see a motherboard full cover block and be like yeah good call that makes
52:07
sense yeah yeah cuz in the past it's looked really cool but it's been like
52:12
okay that's an excessively expensive PC probably because of a showcase and it
52:16
probably makes no sense in terms of actually anyone ever doing this but it
52:20
looks cool for whatever brand wanted to show it off like sure why not but this
52:25
that'll be pretty cool it'll be interesting having people like actually
52:28
ask questions about full cover blocks I know right um all right what else we've got
52:34
for topic I just have to I just have to pause the show for a second uh Timmy
52:38
val1 123 in the twitch chat just said an all capital letters I just wanted to
52:43
make sure that I re-echo this I have a boyfriend and I just wanted to make sure
52:48
it's apparently extremely important that you have one no or that Timmy does that
52:52
Timmy does hey you know what Timmy congrats okay good job all right
52:56
Facebook plans to unveil a
52:59
$200 now we've heard that before yeah
53:03
yeah Wireless that's new Oculus VR
53:07
headset in 2018 the whole twitch chat is like
53:11
congrats timy oh man um yeah I mean that's cool
53:17
uh code name Pacific if anyone's looking to buy an Oculus Rift it's designed and
53:22
this is going to terrify you to bridge the gap between cheap smartphone mounted
53:26
VR headsets and high-end gaming
53:31
ones oh it does not need to be Tethered to a
53:36
PC or a phone it will ship next year and represent an entirely new category the
53:42
device hold on just hold it in for now the device resembles a more compact
53:46
version of the rift and will be lighter than Samsung's gear VR headset the idea
53:49
is that someone will be able to pull the headset out of their bag and watch movies on a flight just the way you can
53:53
now with a phone or tablet watch movies hold it hold it in the new headset will
53:58
have a similar interface to gear VR and can be controlled via wireless remote
54:02
they plan to power the product with a Snapdragon mobile chip from qualcom and
54:07
its gaming power will be superior to that of the gear VR but unlike the
54:10
powerful Rift device and it will not include positional tracking
54:15
technology they plan to begin briefing content makers on the device by
54:20
October and it will have a download store oh the download store will be
54:23
Rewritten and accessible from a virtual reality interface
54:28
um
54:31
and go so they gave
54:37
up like is is that it is that all that I
54:41
have to say Oculus just gave up they're just like yeah screw it vr's done we're
54:45
out of here uh we have lots of Facebook money that's fine no one's buying
54:49
headsets cuz they're overpriced and not very good right now so we're just going
54:52
to stop developing those and we'll just make a phone that's built into the
54:56
headsets you can't take the phone out and uh there you go you could just buy
55:00
this one that you can just slip this device that you literally always effing
55:03
carry on you in the front of it and it'll just work and that would be
55:07
totally fine and it doesn't cost that much but no it's going to be ever so
55:10
slightly faster and you can watch movies on the plane wow cuz you can't already
55:16
do that on your phone or like the screen that's built into the freaking chair in
55:20
front of you it's going to suck word that I'm not going to say in
55:24
terms of performance and that's a huge huge issue right now VR applications for
55:28
desktop your desktop computer is usually
55:31
not fast enough to run really really high fidelity really really high quality
55:36
games it's a little bit of an issue it's a little bit hard to do it's possible
55:39
but it's difficult and then the headsets that you have right now for desktop
55:43
tethered like the Vive and the current Rift don't have good enough screens
55:48
don't have good enough a lot of other kind of stuff to be at the minimum quality that consumers expect and
55:53
they're way too freaking expensive so you release a dedicated 200 $100 device
55:57
which no one's going to really want to buy because they can just slip their thing into a Daydream or whatever which
56:01
should be a lot cheaper and probably will be now that this launches not to
56:05
mention that stuff like this already has existed I literally carried I was
56:09
literally the product manager for viix back at ncx Sony has one yeah like Sony
56:17
professionally has a movie viewer designed for are you ready to chill out
56:21
a little bit cuz I withheld one key piece of information from you oh God I'm
56:25
like very angry and disappointed but Facebook has also said it's working on a
56:29
prototype device named Santa Cruz that is basically a wireless Rift with the
56:34
full power of the original device sans's PC actually that's not going to make you
56:38
any less mad probably sans's PC but without a
56:41
PC wait what okay sorry I I thought they
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were just talking about Wireless Rift I didn't read the last two words okay I don't understand how that makes any
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sense either so basically so you need a
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backpack or something so basically it's it's a porn device now yes
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and you can watch porn on a plane they gave up like I've I've mentioned on like
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two Wan shows recently I've gotten some Flack for it but it is a thing um it's
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not all of the posts but there's a notably increased amount compared to
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quite a few months back if you go to like the Oculus subreddit of posts that
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are just about porn and you know what you want to look at porn on your device
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go for it I don't care I don't give a crap at all but what these things are
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really supposed to be doing in the long run is like really really interesting
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entertainment mediums not watching movies on a plane I'm talking about like
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virtual things look hold on picture this
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oh God virtual big screen just killed him a little bit
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inside I think every time hold on get
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this simulated theater experience this is so bad it is so bad I don't
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understand it's so bad but there's such interesting
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experiences that you can do and such interesting experiences that you can have if you come to LTX I'll try to show
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you some of them there's specific uh uh servos is a specific VR game development
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company that is making very good and very interesting things uh raw data and
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I don't remember the name of their new one but it's a running one and it's racing and it's actually really cool you
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race against each other and you can like you have to run around but it's kind of
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like skis I finally got Arizona Sunshine Arizona Sunshine's pretty cool um
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there's a robo recall is like amazing like there's really really good
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experiences that you can have but the device was supposed to be a different price than it was by a lot because
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there's a huge cost in the computer already and it's way too expensive
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pissed off this was really fun okay why don't we talk about something a little
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lighter well it's a little heavy the KFC
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phone it's the only thing about KFC that could be light at all this might make
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more sense than that stupid thing that huawei's special edition KFC smartphone
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for China someone someone sorry someone in the chat just said man cares too much
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I do I really want VR to work and I just
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I feel I I feel like they're just doing
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like clearly the wrong things they'll make it work it's just going to be like
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kind of lame mainstream VR for like a
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long time a long time and like that Gap I was talking to was it Rubio Jeff Rubio
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I could have the name wrong but the guy from Naughty Dog that now works for
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Oculus um and he he gave a timeline and
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I was like you know what that makes sense and I think it was something about something around 3 years from when I had
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that meeting and you can line up that meeting because that lined up with uh a
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Counter-Strike tournament where I made a video about watching the Counter-Strike
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tournament with the Vive right um I don't think that's going to happen
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anymore so another news um it's to celebrate KFC's 30th Anniversary within
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the country of China okay the KFC edition of the Huawei enjoy 7 plus was
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unveiled by the restaurant chain via its official weebo page in addition to a
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snazzy red finish and a picture of the colel on the back of the device the
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smartphone comes pre-loaded with the K music app which allows you to play music
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over the speaker system installed in KFC restaurants what which definitely
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wouldn't get annoying really really really fast for everybody else and won't
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be eliminated entirely almost immediately only 5,000 of SM will be
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produced preapproved music that you can put through it I guess so and there
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other weird KFC things so um oh no never
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mind these are just other weird KFC things um they had a takeout box that
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apparently doubled as a smartphone charger and a facial recognition scanner
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in conjunction with search giant BYU B whatever to help offer meal suggestions
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oh boy like basic I guess it just looks for how many chins you have and decides
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how many pieces of chicken you need like is that how that would
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work I wonder how difficult it would be to do get like machine learning to like
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analyze faces that would actually be fascinating if you could how accurate it
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would be if you could try and figure out would be very because KFC unlike
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somewhere okay so let's take A&W actually A&W in the states is very
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different from up here so this none of this might make any sense um but let's
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take A&W you can be like a MOAB Burger
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person or you can be a teen Burger person and there would be nothing you
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could know or like a chubby chicken burger these are all sort of equ
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but they taste different um whereas at
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KFC there's chicken and there's less
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chicken and there's more chicken it's like a bucket of chicken there's like a
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little tiny box of chicken or a small box of bucket of chicken like or a
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trough of chicken like it's it's all about chicken I would be curious to know
61:48
if you could just entered like a picture of yourself and like of your house and
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of your and enter your BMI if it could
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tell you what you were planning to order at KFC that would be a very interesting
62:04
study um just in like in like how humans
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do thing and like psychology and it would just be a very very interesting
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study I would read
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it okay H the OnePlus 5 display is
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upside down so this was posted by nerd Slayer on the Forum
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oops confirmed the jelly scrolling
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effect which honestly I didn't even notice it is amazing the kinds of things
62:30
like like well it's it's stupid because like I'll be able to tell the difference
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between like 72 and 60 HZ on a display
62:39
yeah if I'm playing a game or something and people be like who cares whereas
62:43
like I look at like a phone and I'm like there's a slight kind of rebounding
62:48
effect when you scroll and they're calling it the uh the jelly jelly
62:51
scrolling effect or something like that and apparently it is C caused by
62:58
OnePlus moving the motherboard and hence flipping the display panel in order to
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accommodate their new dual lens camera module so they consciously rearrange the
63:09
internals and then are using a a
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normally only used for Diagnostics but they actually used this so they used a
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field that you can that exists in Android where you can flip the display
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180 degrees yeah um
63:26
in order to account for this rearrangement that's
63:30
so weird and so what users did was they manually changed other devices to be
63:36
upside down and the jelly scrolling
63:39
effect appeared on them now what I'd like to know because obviously if you
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hold a display like this that doesn't have an upside down display installation
63:48
and go like this or you hold it like this and go like this it doesn't matter
63:51
so what I want to know is if this is just a matter of a simple optimization
63:55
that could be done in software it feels like it would be
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um so we'll we'll see we'll
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see uh the Google pixel 2 design was leaked this was posted by Mr Chow 1991
64:08
0319 on the Forum and the original article here is from Android police
64:13
apparently it will be made by LG this time rather than
64:18
HTC um and this is apparently the pixel XL with a low bezel AMOLED display and a
64:24
squeezable frame HTC won't be the only one with a
64:29
squeezable frame neat I um guess that's
64:32
cool it's one of those things that like I've never really asked for why do you
64:37
what what what's the benefit you can have it do stuff okay
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yeah um 6-in AMOLED display with round corners glass window on the back is
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smaller this time fingerprint reader no longer inside of it but below it no
64:51
visible antenna bands it's believed it will have a squeezable frame okay so
64:54
that's pretty much all we know none of that sounds super important to me um
64:58
there's things that I care a lot more about on the pixel 2 than any of that
65:01
information so I think we'll have to wait Logitech is on a roll here with
65:07
Acquisitions this was posted by dasin on the Forum the original article here is
65:10
from CNET apparently or I could just use the uh press release that they sent me
65:15
autoplay no bo so there there there won't be like a gaming headset industry
65:20
eventually cuz it'll just be Logitech heads Raz and Razer that's fair who else
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exist
65:29
Turtle Beach is sort of still kicking around like on the console side I think
65:32
okay I don't understand quite how but I didn't understand why Astro had a right
65:37
to exist either I mean to be clear apparently the A40 is great um the only
65:42
one I ever reviewed was the A50 and it was terrible i' I've never had a good
65:46
experience with them it was an abominable value and that was compared
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to wireless headphones that or headsets that existed back then and to my
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knowledge I I don't think they've updated it so they bought Ultimate Ears
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they bought jbird they Acquired scitec
66:04
and they've been doing great things I I haven't seen what they've done with scitec yet have they released anything I
66:09
don't know if they've done much with scitec um but basically Logitech kind of
66:14
went well we're an engineering company we're just going to embrace that
66:18
and screw it we're just going to buy
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Brands it's been working so far the Ultimate Ears one espe
66:26
I'm interested to see what they do with scitech cuz I love that kind of stuff
66:29
but yeah yeah meanwhile Razer is running around buying THX and phone maker next
66:36
bit so apparently the deal will close in early August and uh yeah basically I I
66:42
didn't even read any of Logitech statements about it because this is fairly transparent yeah Logitech
66:47
couldn't figure out why the hell anyone
66:51
was using Astro gaming headsets which is valid so they went okay well I don't
66:57
want to deal with this anymore and bought them which is valid
67:04
yeah so some of the Astro gaming branding especially from way back in the
67:08
day was really sick like I remember they had at packs they were giving away an
67:12
astro gaming shirt and it was like by far the coolest one at the event and
67:17
like they had a really cool booth and they partnered with really cool people
67:21
so I could understand how if like you're just woful ignorant in terms of headsets
67:27
and you're like I went to this cool event and they had cool stuff I'm going
67:30
to tell my friends and we're all going to buy them you know what I mean
67:33
especially before like reviews on that kind of stuff was a big thing and easily
67:38
accessible lately though I don't know how they're still
67:41
around I don't know man apparently this
67:45
is great so uh apparently Logitech is
67:48
taking in and if if it ain't broke don't fix it approach
67:53
here and the as and Logitech G Brands
67:57
will keep separate teams and
68:01
um basically they're saying we don't just want to jam a new product down your
68:04
throats every year just because we can so that's the nice way of saying if you
68:09
guys like this trash then we'll just keep making it for you I guess as far as
68:14
I can tell wow cuz there's no doubt that logitech's engineering knows a lot more
68:19
about engineering than Astro's
68:23
engineering Astro might be able to help them make make it so the headsets don't
68:26
fall off people's heads okay that's fair that would be good that's fair want a
68:30
little update there yeah that's fair but then Logitech also could have just like
68:35
gone and bought a hyperx cloud and
68:38
disassembled it if they wanted to understand how that works
68:41
yeah all right so on that note thank you for watching The W show we will see you
68:45
guys again next week same bat Time same bat channel do you want to do a short
68:49
Afterparty stream we can sure let's do it yeah bye
69:08
people are calling me lonus lame tips wow why I have never been called
69:14
something that offensive in my life look at this how do they do this like how do
69:18
you screw this up it's unbelievable the easiest thing
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in the world would be to use the same file this one's see this one's right
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sort of except the faces why did they change I don't know