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is a great show yeah great at putting me to
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setting the bar very low for yourself I think I'm basically at I think I'm
basically there now with kind of are you're just not old yet so so that's all
I have to achieve you just have to age to do that's it to do everything I want
out of my life I just have to continue to make it around the Sun like another
40 or so more times and then I'll and then I'm great you live in Canada they
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including Intel
uncharacteristically throwing shade at the competition which For the First Time
In Like A decade is
AMD it's like the insecurity is just
dripping out of the computer screen right it was it was pretty brutal it was
pretty brutal M um also AMD's ryzen
Threadripper and ryzen 3 have tons of
new updates in a uh video post that they created earlier on this week the Skylake
X vrm and thermal paste and power
consumption mess has been explored by Tom's Hardware and we've got John here
to specially cover a legal topic that we
wanted to get into uh which one was it where is it where is it Zillo the Zillow
uh copyright infringement case which sounds a lot less interesting than it
actually is there we go Zillow massive website tries to sue uh
satirical blogger over photos that Zillow doesn't even own so brilliant so
it's going to be a good one so let's go ahead and roll the intro and we'll see you on the other side R the intro yes it
worked I think we might be a little bit out of focus but that's okay I'm never
focused I mean you did just take the joke right out of my head so prob give
you cred for that you won't miss
it I don't know where okay all right I fix it h
com fres books and put that back so that the
intro Will Roll properly next time that is indeed why I do that did the did
Twitter just crash how how you even how even do this is it Twitter's fault or is
it Chrome's fault maybe both I I don't know it could very easily P's over here
playing with the focus yeah oh thank you P that is that is just wonderful and the
Tweet is up this is I didn't even notice so this is how double tweets happen Okay
Chrome thank you all right so the
original topic here is from uh wow I
actually managed to prepare even less than usual for the W show today I do not
have my HDMI cable plugged in and somehow I managed to my muscle memory
didn't help me here I managed to put my Mouse in the wrong spot all right we're
not Boy Scouts we not really prepared we're going to jump right in this was
originally posted over on ours Technica
and oh we're doing this okay in a nutshell uh here we go Linus's screen is
it going to work is it going to work is it oh wow there we go
yes okay so take me through this John
what is going on here so uh as you can
see on the uh screen grab there site called uh mcmansion hell and for those
of you who don't know or probably mostly people not from the US or what's a McMan
a MCM is a large yet relatively cheaply
built house it was um they were building them all over the place in the US before
um the housing bubble burst in the late 2000s and uh they're they're larger but
like I said slightly cheaper cheap more cheaply built built houses and so this
um this blogger started this website called mcmansion hell and this blogger
is I think an architectural student so she was going through and posting all
these pictures of homes that she
considered to be mcms and telling people oh these are terrible buildings that
have terrible architecture here are the reasons why and this is a regular blog
that she updated sounds pretty funny yeah it was pretty popular she had lots
of visitors um who liked her sort of snarky take on oh LOL you could scrape
these Windows off with a paint knife this is terrible um so she got a lot of these pictures
from Zillow which is like this huge sort of like real estate site if you want to
sell your house a lot of people use Zillow to post pictures of the house on
there so sure okay yeah anyway Zillow
got wind to this and they so they sent her a very angry cease and assist letter
saying oh you're infringing our copyrights and you can't do this and
this and that so um so this kind of blew
up she freaked out she's like my is at stake so yeah so so she could lose her
job but Zillow didn't take these photos
no they didn't which is like a huge Wrinkle In this case so the photos that
um people like they upload them to Zilla right so if you want to sell your house
you take your own photos of your own house and you upload them the photos are
yours and when so I had a look at take
your own photos what are we doing here that's what you sound like sorry go ahead that's what I sound like okay
thank you I know what I sound like I have plenty of people in the tech
quickie comments hey John do you know that you sound like are you from the
south yeah where where where are you from yeah it's what what do you have in
your mouth what's wrong with your voice anyway so I think someone has asked me
that one time okay anyway but all right so you take the pictures you put them on
Zillow I had to look at zillow's terms of service and they say okay if you put
pictures on Zillow you're giving us a non-exclusive license to to use them
yeah that's pretty typical like even on the LT Forum um I believe your text
content we actually say we own but pictures posted we something along
those lines and okay so if you look at
if you look at if Zillow can even Sue because that's the big one of the big
questions it's like do they even have standing to Sue and and standing laws of
it's kind of a simple concept to understand right it's if you're going to take someone to court you have to be a
party to whatever the dispute is if someone walks in here and punches lonus
in the mouth and knocks a few of his teeth out yeah I can't see neighbor well
maybe you could your my livelihood is at
stake because my boss can't come to work
and shoot the videos that I write therefore but so yeah it's a bit more
tenuous but but if let's say you were some complete freaking random yeah yeah
you can't sue because you have nothing at well well if someone okay suppose
that lions and I were just friends and we're walking down the street together
friends suppose someone comes up to him just punches him in the face I can't sue
that that guy on Lion's behalf he has to do it himself so the concept is that how
how the concept applies here man I've had way too much caffeine just all over
the place the way the concept applies here
is that the fifth circuit which is was no it was the ninth I'm sorry but the
ninth circuit in the US very influential appeals court right below the Supreme
Court yeah uh there was a case from a couple years ago where they ruled that
you have you can have standing to sue about infringement of someone else's
copyright only if you have some sort of exclusive right which in their own terms
of service do not have right if I don't
know if it says nonexclusive specifically but but it doesn't
specifically say it's exclusive what you would have to do correct so so this is
whether they even have standing to sue the MCM hell blogger is very very very
unclear I would my if I were to Hazard a guess I would say they do not but it
didn't stop her from being embroiled in this big legal battle she's got some
pretty prominent IP lawyers on her side right now but um it's it's an
interesting question about you know who gets this could affect dank memes
forever it absolutely could who gets to use Pepe which is which is why this
conversation is important by the way which is why we're having it on L show
but honestly I'm still not over how lowkey burned I just got about a minute
or two ago there the suppose we were
friends see with I qualified the statement by saying
just let the records show I said just
instead of friends plus cooworker lineus
being on Facebook our current status would be it's
complicated okay okay see see what you've done you've gone you've gone on
you've made this something it isn't now there's going to be more horrible like
fanfiction written about this thanks and
now you're the one who invited it you're the who invited you know what let's have
Luke join us let's have Luke join us for a fan fiction
Extravaganza if we're going to invite it we might as well invite it what what's
happening it's just that I don't want it's just that I don't want you to come
between us oh okay I use the words just friends to to imply in illegal
hypothetical involving me and lonus and things happen so quit get naked says
twitch chat um speaking of violating the
terms a service so
basically Zillow still says
um they they what do they want they
wanted to take down the photos oh okay
but what what what's interesting about this another thing that's interesting
about this is that even if some Court said that Zillow has standing to sue
which I doubt but if it gets to that phase yeah um one of the biggest things
that courts look for whether to determine if a use of the copyrighted
photo or something is fair use that turn gets thrown around a lot fair use is the
effect on the market for the work who the heck is going to like start selling
their random pictures of their random mcmansions and make tons of money off of
them right you know so and I think so there's a there's a strong argument I'm
not saying it'll win necessarily but there's a strong argument saying there's
no real market for these pictures as being affected right so she wants to
argue fair use but again like I said there's a standing issue may not even get to that point so okay got it yeah
there there's multiple Hoops to jump through in in law if you've ever fought a traffic ticket I'm sure you've figured
that out so all right well thanks John I'm going to have Luke tag in because he
actually just arrived back from the one
and only Silicon Valley can we talk about the juicero real fast before he
tags out we can talk about the juicero okay hold on is that even in the dock
yeah I put it in there like 45 minutes ago all right all right let's bring extremely quickly we'll do we're
bringing up the juicero tell me about okay so this is also from ours um we
ever talked about this thing before I know we haven't on the channel have we
ever talked about it like on the W show cuz I don't believe we have not much we
have yes I think yeah I think says a little bit we said yeah it's dumb okay
I'll give you a really quick tldr um if
also if you've seen any of of of critical videos on YouTube I'm sure
you've seen this where he lampooned this ridiculous thing called the juicero and
it's it is a juicer that originally cost
$800 they've since dropped the price to$ 400 and now it's going to be down to
below 200 according to this article from RS Technica but all it is it's this
thing they ship you packets you know they look like they look like giant you
know hot or coold packets or whatever they cost about $5 to $7 each you put
them inside this thing you shut a door on it you press a button and it has to
be connected to the internet at all times it squeezes the juice packet and 2
minutes later you have the glass of juice that's literally what it does and
it originally sold for um seven or I think it was $700 but it was very
expensive okay so so apparently they've cut the price
already they've cut the price down to $200 and they've laid off a bunch of
their staff and my question is my
question was why it was so expensive to begin with and apparently this thing was
this it was ridiculously over engineered some website did a tear down of it and
it was a really really high build quality which is great but sorry a he's
a YouTuber oh a right okay A a did the
did the tear down is that right Luke okay so he did the tear down and the
thing was like I said absurdly over engineering all it was doing was just
squeezing a bag of like fruits and vegetables to make juice out of it um so
they decide to lower the price down to $200 but I'm wondering why not just get
an actual like baller juicer from Bed Bath and Beyond or somewhere or Amazon
for that price and you could even get like an Amazon Fresh subscription and
have the veggies and the fruits delivered to your door if you're too lazy to go to the store to buy them
instead of instead of
this I mean could you see is there a universe where you would find this
useful lus like if you wanted fresh juice after a bad mitton game or
something um so I have a Vitamix okay so
basically everything else can just get crapped
on so no so no there you go and the
stupid thing is that like as even at the
$400 price point you could get a used Vitamix which by the way will probably
run for like 50 years because those things are
unbelievable um for the same price and then you could put literally anything
like you could put a child in a Vitamix um we we don't advise you do that you
can put has never happened well I can't say it's never happened yes um it's
never happened to my children or in my presence or at my instruction there we
go am I covering all my legal bases right now I I I I think you are please
do not I I I know that I I I know that
small children cry but please don't put them in the Vitamix anyway okay what
what what uh what is this um modest proposal it's like you're channeling the
guy who wrote mod basically this is so strange oh crap I'm hold on hold on
Jonathan wait wait don't tell me ah no you already gave me enough of a
hint Swift okay well dang it it we all
we all know how intelligent you are L us it'll be all right so well it's remembering facts is not a not an
indication of intelligence necessarily although an complete inability to
remember any facts could be an indicator that you're not intelligent so what does
that mean about people who remember a lot of facts
nothing yeah I say that's I say that's I
say that's accurate all right of course the twitch chat lonus likes Blended
children confirmed no I don't like them why would I put them in a blender if I
liked them wait what were we talking about
the flavor of dead children onto our onto our next topic so uh thanks John
thank you lus I feel like I'm supposed to shake your hand but like you work here I work with it's like yeah I know
but it's like a I feel like we're like having guests on like a talk show right
now and like that's what they always do they're always like yeah John welcome to the show hey John thanks for being on
and we'll see you after the break yeah you don't fresh books don't shake my
hand no you're not um you're not uh
who's doing the light show now cool bear if you're not yeah cool bear I'm not
cool bear you know what I just want to say uh thanks for having me on the show
I really I really appreciate you he knows what's up he knows what he just he
made you look so bad I I really appreciate the first he called me not a
friend then he's like you're not cool bear like
fine um oh man okay so do do do you want
to talk about where you were like on a very high level yeah hell yeah let's do
it I got freaking you burned owned you were down there for one only one side of
your face and like what are you doing
this side is white and this side is red you're brave is it that bad you're brave
heart dude have to wait for this to catch up oh it's pretty bad you're brave
heart okay what are you doing I I went to Twitch I went to hang out with my
friend John and uh at one point in time he was like let's go get lunch at the
pier didn't realize how far away the pier was so we walked for like a very
long time it's like pier and they're like numbered or whatever right I yeah
okay sure and then had to walk all the way back trendy in the Sun the whole
time while I'm carrying my like ridiculously heavy backpack I picked up
on that yeah that was uh that it was an
experience so how's your how's your trip it was really good it was fun checking
out twitch they are a crazy company um
be careful what you say need I remind you what benevolent
overlords um we are we are leaning on
right now to broadcast this here stream this might be say oh oh Lordy it's
Luke's mom oh good hello my favorite
hi hi how many times have I talked to you
Luke about sunscreen how many times I didn't know how long the walk was going
to be your mom's on my side for a change you know you know you know when we went
to Mexico mom lafrenier you know what
happened he didn't bring any sunscreen
at all he asked me to buy him a tube of
sunscreen after he' already been burned which by the way is not how sunscreen
works as you well know and then he didn't pay me back for
it my
God I didn't really remember the story then he said he didn't pay me back for
it and I was like yeah it's probably true oh my gosh well the good thing
about this is lonus he is now your
problem whoa whoa hold
on that's a big step we just shook hands
I I not I'm not signing any
documents taking legal custody of this
guy getting adopted when you're in your like mid 20s heck yeah all right any
more Burns lus and it's on
you I I can't I can't she just
leave wow hangs up even when I agree
with your mom she still finds a way to to burn me even when we're on the same
team maybe not as bad as maybe not as bad as I got burned yeah not as bad as
you got burned but yeah it was it was a fun trip they have like a they have a
multiple five versus 5 gaming lounges in their Studios they have uh uh a bar of
course they open bar on Fridays of course they at least for the team that I
was talking to they're like time policy they have unlimited vacation they show
up anytime they want before lunch is served at twitch I don't know the exact
time that that is it's not noon but it's like whenever it's served at twitch and
uh yeah so when am I getting your two weeks
notice no no no I I think I'm going to
St I get a month at least a month yeah
yes well that's okay I can train up a new Luke in that time no problem no
problem at all yeah it was a fun trip though yeah pretty cool
okay um so let's move on to our first
topic this is is actually like okay
little spicy so here's the thing you know you go hang around you know SLG or
whatever and you'll find you'll find plenty of hate for Intel and their
business practices and their Communications and you'll find hate for
anything Intel um but for the most part for the last
you know yeah eight or so years when they haven't really had
a real competitor um Intel has put on a
very good and it's up to you the
individual viewer to pick your next word this is like a Choose Your Own Adventure
book okay you can decide whether it's um
whether it's having a a pretty professional uh uh uh image or a pretty
professional facade it's up to you I
don't care but for the most part they've been fairly professional and fairly
dignified in their corporate
Communications and their slide decks in
their presentations to Partners and to
the Press so this was originally posted by
Finn Hulk fist on the Forum Finn Hulk
fist I love that name any any Nordic
names are just freaking awesome Hulk
fist Nordic name oper cannot possibly go wrong is to have a
name like Hulk vist um and the original
I thought it was lit just Hulk fist oh no I was like I don't think that's a
yeah no okay I got you um so
Intel this is just unbelievable so
posted by tech power up here in an official slide deck posted the following
okay first of all there's some some debate in the
industry as to um a couple of things
number one as to how exactly Intel is
deriving these smt numbers so so that's
Intel's uh hyperthreading TM and amds
what what are they calling it I I don't I can't remember whatever something
something else but smt okay so um
symmetrical multi multi threading y so where you take one core and you feed it
a couple of threads so it can process both of them more efficiently than if it
had just processed one thread in the first place okay so it's unclear a
couple things number one how exactly they derive these numbers because they
don't necessarily align with what all the sort of tech media are seeing and
number two whether this is an applicable comparison in the first place because
Intel's basically taken a Zeon
6134 and they have run clock for clock
against a ryzen 7 desktop chip with
the clear argument being that this is a close analog because these are both
eight core 16 thread processors running at 2.2 gigz now to be clear
probably that comparison works fine
because contrary to what the people who got really confused by mine and Luke's
discussion about Vega Frontier Edition
contrary to what those people think architecturally Hardware wise oh yeah
the consumer grade stuff is often not
materially different from the Enterprise grade stuff sometimes you'll see better
binning a longer warranty you'll see more functional units enabled or you'll
see some some Flags enabled for features
that were turned off in order to artificially differentiate them that's
where most of the difference comes from so fundamentally Intel's comparison here
may not actually be that far off Hardware Hardware wise but that doesn't
change that there are other questions here as well what's the
Baseline uh that's one thing I really hate about these graphs single thre so
that's the other thing you don't know is single thread I guess so improvement
over Intel single thread improvement over AMD single I guess don't say
anywhere well there's more information on slide 20 to 21 okay so that's that's
fine honestly the negative 13% is just like what that's not well there are
situations where hyperthreading as well does result in a performance lost right
but I don't think we've seen that on ryzen we haven't but that specific
workload that who knows how Cherry Picked or not Cherry Picked it is
honestly that's not the thing that bothered me that much it's not that
unusual whether it's AMD Intel or NVIDIA to include some basic performance
comparisons when they're trying to make their product look good in a slide deck
this one is one of the ones that blew me
away where Intel basically gave
themselves a check mark for robust
ecosystem Decades of investment in software optimizations and validation
easier application de deployment for customers and some of the stuff on here
is just like
um okay hold on a second uh like hold on what okay so yeah
hold on hold on okay I'm trying to find something just totally stupid there were
there were a couple that were that were really dumb like where gigabytes on here
somewhere like what what software optimization are you doing with Gigabyte
on your new server chip that AMD doesn't
here it is so here's here's like Gigabyte on here because freaking or
something so then AMD doesn't get
Gigabyte on their list of Partners right
not even Gigabyte literally none who I'm pretty sure that AMD works with question
mark we didn't look into it not even super micro okay who I'm pretty sure
that AMD is working with on their uh
Naples product and by pretty sure I mean
you can you can bet on that um and the
list goes on and on I'm sure AMD has talked to
Microsoft okay I'm pretty sure that conversation is going going on right now
so they basically go ex they they take this quote
totally out of context expect software
optimizations needed for Naples just like ryzen which is fair but what Intel
ignores is that when they launch a new architecture software optimizations are
needed it is it is not even newsworthy
whether it's Intel or AMD for there to be an aatom I believe is the singular of
irasa okay RAM okay so some kind of
weird bug where the CPU needs updated micro code and needs maybe even a driver
fix in order to fix some kind of a weird Hardware bug that that stuff happens to
both of them and basically they're going to go they they've turned that into
AMD's ryzen CPU gaming perform oh yeah okay so they took so they took another
quote totally out of context ryzen CPU gaming performance inhibited by lack of
optimization so they're basically saying look software not optimized for their
four die peret implementation likely a multi-year investment effort to develop
optimizing inv validate an ecosystem that is is taking a nugget of
Truth and blowing it up into a movie
theater room filled with
popcorn and a nugget is not even a kernel that's how far off we are random
little tidbit I can't verify this because I I can't find them but
apparently there's two Hitachi hitachi's just listed twice oh seriously which is
just kind of funny here's Itachi hold on here we go okay where's the other one so
here's a Hitachi and here's a Hitachi so Intel works with Hitachi so much that
they Hitachi while they Hitachi so they can Hitachi while they Hitachi that yo
dog they're they're that hardcore on Hitachi I mean for all I know there's
multiples that are in there twice because I don't think anyone looked that closely at this slide no I don't think
legal looked at this slide or maybe maybe they did but they were just like
yeah I don't really understand oh no no I thought IBM was in there twice but no
yeah all right okay and you know what's the craziest part is this is that that's
not even where this ends no like that's not even the super hardcore part this
isn't no in my opinion no no this gets worse and once
again in these black and white terms
okay okay oh Intel yes yes yes no no no no no
no this is like you know you know when you go to one of those like it's usually
slightly ghetto websites and they'll be like this is our product whole bunch of
check marks usually it's for like a video ripping software or right this is
their product no check marks they suck and sometimes it's on nicer stuff but
usually it's a little bit more granular and they'll actually show like yeah
their software does this thing but we do more of these things whatever but
usually it's the dignified way to do it whereas like the janky software way is
like has three red pixels in the bottom
corner yes doesn't
doesn't so here me so so let's go let's
go let's go back to this uh and I'm taking this out here because we got we
got to look at the slide proven system performance and
Innovation inconsistent performance from
four glued together desktop dies do I
detect that Intel is neither blue nor
red but perhaps a little green right now
about Infinity fabric wow because it's not glued
together and and do I detect some nearly
decade Old Salt right now from back when
AMD was crapping on Intel for gluing
together single core processors which by
the way Intel was super doing back when
they released the Pentium D series um compar compared to AMD's
architected dual core design do I detect
some salt here because a modular a
modular Core Design is not the same thing as taking your single core product
and slapping two dyes onto a
package okay let's carry on next point
architected for the data center which
has nothing to do with inconsistent Supply nothing at all and and poor track
record now you can go after AMD for having a bit of a poor track record over
the last little while sure I don't think that AMD's supply for opteron has been
the problem I just don't think anyone's wanted it for a while so basically Intel
is taking irrelevant unrelated points
and saying and we're architected for the data center which has nothing to do with
those other things we said also Naples
is super architected for the data center
okay AMD epic may have a silly gamery
name and it does yeah but that changes
nothing about the way that infinti fabric and the way that they built this
architecture for Mondo PCI Express Lanes
which is super a big deal for the data center right now absolutely is that has
nothing to do with the way that this product was designed for massive amounts
of memory and massive numbers of connected devices via
PCI Express okay carrying on robust software
and Hardware we're go we're going after that again we're going after the ecos
lack of ecosystem they have no ecosystem
none at all it doesn't exist you can't you can buy the chip you can't put it in
anything there's no software for it there's no compatible hardware for
here's the problem with this hard sales
pitch in this deck right now if if Intel had come out and
said look we've got a more mature ecosystem that's way more reasonable
we've been supporting the data center for the last 5 years in a way that AMD
has just been completely out of the game for we understand our customers better
than AMD coming in as practically an outsider is in a position to do right
now you know what the weird i' have gone okay the people who hate Intel are going
to hate this because they can find something to hate in anything that Intel
does but I can accept that this slide I
cannot accept this slide specifically feels like some person you know how you
know how every once in a while you'll see like Intel slides and it's obviously not a real Intel slide it feels like
some random dude on YouTube was like I have memes Intel's attacking AMD and
just like threw this slide together in five minutes this is dank memes this is
dank memes level yeah um and the the
show is not even over like the show is not not over there's but wait there's
more oh look at these look at these arrows
this is good bad this is like a lesson in how to not do PowerPoint it's like
the clickbait version of business marketing right fully integrated all
capital letters big Arrow yeah here's zons oh oh by the way uh hold on a
second okay yeah here's the way that all the cash communic Ates and we're just
kind of ignoring right now the way that all these cores are interconnected
because um in some okay now I'm not the the the Uber
architecturally you know yes I understand I'm intentionally speaking in
a non grammatically correct fashion right now because CPU low-level C CPU
architecture is not a strong point for
me I do lean on more technical people like Dr cutus over at Anon to explain
this stuff to me sometimes but to represent your CPU architecture as fully
integrated as though there aren't internal interconnects and internal
bottlenecks on a many core Intel Zeon is
not a fair representation of exactly how
that works and they're saying here single die implementation maximizes
performance and in some cases that may
affect performance positively compared to AMD's approach but to call AMD's
approach which by the way these coherent
links matter and the way that every set
of Zen cores so there's eight per module here the way that every set of Zen cores
has a coherent link against every single other one freaking matters notice the
cross links in the middle that
matters and they they dro the glued together again glued together is not a
fair representation of what AMD is doing over
there unbelievable rough um so it it kind it kind of
actually goes on and on but I feel like we've spent a long time on this topic
and the the point is this is beneath
Intel this is not an appropriate
dignified way for them to respond they don't have to like even if
it like we've seen this before it's not like AMD has never blindsided Intel with
an architecturally and price to Performance
Superior product Athlon 64 and first generation
opteron came in and kicked ass in a way
that Zen actually doesn't like Zen is
competitive but not not as crazy as like
yeah yeah but it's not like AMD came out
of absolutely nowhere and took the
performance crown and even when AMD had the
performance Crown it took a long time
outside of the Enthusiast space and the
and actually I mean on server it it kind of went better than on the desktop but
it took a long time for AMD to claw back
significant enough market share that Intel couldn't launch Core 2
Duo and basically crap all over
everything AMD had achieved in a very short period of time from a business
standpoint not from a an industry disruption and and moving all of us
forward standpoint I mean they brought us 64-bit on the
desktop um so the fact that Intel is is reacting in
this kneejerk undignified fashion it
doesn't make business sense it doesn't make company image sense it might not
even make legal sense yeah that's a little rough the glued Together part is
like specifically an issue
so basically come on
guys sup uh about that time oh oh yeah
right um speaking of sup you know what
sup uh oh oh cool we haven't done a
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all right well whatever it'll be fun for me yeah so comic Bento is your original
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into like are you ruining what I'm about to unbox did you just do did you just do
what I thought you did there's not avengers definitely uh right it's the
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like I mean okay perfect example of uh sort of getting drawn into something
that might not have a great cover this has a great cover though Cinderella
serial killer princess how can I like I'm going to read this after the show
apparently it says for the Cinderella one specifically I was reading this uh
serial killer princess critically acclaimed reinvention of Cinderella this
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that one yeah all right so this was posted originally by Valentine on the
Forum and nonte is the original article
here we've got a lot more details about
Threadripper as well as ryzen 3 so the
Threadripper 1920x and 1950x are going
to be 12 and 16 core processors they are freaking huge that is a real human hand
for scale and they're going to cost $799 and
$9.99 AMD has basically come right in
and said nope this stuff doesn't cost
that much PNG the pricing
for Wow Skylake X is is now looking a
little bit out of whack I mean it remains to be seen exactly how well they
perform but we know clock speeds the 1950x will apparently have a base clock
of 3.4 GHz and a boost of 4 GHz
wow that is not freaking bad on that
many threads it's got a TDP of 180 Watts
that's fun though but I don't even care if ryzen is anything to go by it looks
like we might get a proper Tim so a proper thermal interface material which
will help to dissipate that heat and
because it is such a large I don't want to say chip because
that doesn't matter because the overall die area under the spreader is so large
we're going to see coolers that are optimized to have heat pipes across as
many of those processing cores as possible and it should be potentially
easier to manage also assuming that AMD
doesn't Rush the ecosystem too much
hopefully we won't run into any problems with the boards but all of that remains
to be seen and you know combined with um
combined with Intel's wos on x299 right now is further validation for all the
people criticizing me for moving our editors over to
x99 shortly before the x299 launch
that's why I do it because in much that
and it's it has nothing to do with bias it's not AMD Intel NVIDIA I don't give a
crap if it's Mission critical I am not
running you go one gen old then you have all the BIOS updates you have tons of
different chipset updates you have so much different and I might run it if it's one machine but I'm not going to go
and invest an entire workstation change
out in something that maybe it's good or
maybe I'm going to find out that that board that I put in there had has some
silly bug and needs to be recalled or whatever when that would be thoroughly
covered on forums Everywhere by that time buying a year old board that's
right I can just buy something that's based on the it's like the same
basically the same board as what we've been running on our test benches for the last you know year and a half speaking
of things you can do with this though are you going to go back to X Gamers one
CPU um not with Threadripper probably
okay uh but if we can get something going with Epic
okay I would love to do something very interesting with epic and you could even
be like genuinely won this time actually
yeah yeah yeah we could because a lot of people roasted lonus cuz it had two CPUs
in it it was supposed to be a play on
two girls one cup I know what it was supposed to be but I'm saying either way
I'm I don't really mind it that much I thought the joke was funny I I thought
the joke was funny everything's cool I'm just saying you could actually do it
time he is kind of a suck up isn't he John was right no get out of here I
don't even care I don't want you here anymore I'm hosting a show by myself I'm
still in the frame I could just talk louder for days
ow all right next topic sky like X mess explored I guess
it's my my my turn to throw it throw it Intel oh jeez it's kind of a rough day
hey so far Skylake X has been plagued by
two main issues at its stock settings it can barely be cool
uh oh your thing's in the way oh no sorry during normal operation this is
due to its power consumption being extremely high in some situations we
also found that the
uh there's a huge cooling issue with the board but I don't VM vrm yeah the vrms
had a huge cooling issue that was a couple weeks ago um there's barely any
room for enthusiasts to overclock also many motherboards limit Skylake X CPUs
further due to poor design choices like I just mentioned such as sufficient vrm
cooling so this may be this may be the
dawn of the motherboard um full cover block oh hey
so that's like that's been a thing yeah but it's never really made sense because
so going back um going back to like the early 2000s it was pretty common place
for motherboards to have little whiny annoying fans on them and then right
around the time of like I guess uh
enforce enforce 3 or enforce 4 what what
was the a8n 32 SLI
Deluxe slide Deluxe I can't remember what chipset that was I want to say
enforce 4 okay so that's an a832 SLI Deluxe
terrible image but you get the point so we did away with noisy um Northbridge
and especially Southbridge coolers cuz they have to keep it low profile uh
because you can install cards here right this SLI existed at the time um and we
did away with that and we moved towards this heat pipes that lie flat on the
board and carry all the heat up around the CPU socket area with the assumption
that either you're going to have an air
cooler sitting on your CPU that's going to generate enough passive air flow to
deal with the vrms here and here as well as the heat from the South Bridge and
the North Bridge which end up here so
that Paradigm has us pretty much until
now we might be returning to active
cooling on vrms if there's no other way to deal with this and honestly what this
kind of looks like to me is like Intel has said that like hey that we have a
plan for the roll out of core I9 so
we're going to do this here this here and it has to do with CPU yields it has to do with that honestly I wonder if
part of it has to do with that they just like actually on the engineering side
have no idea how they're going to launch this and they're just trying to buy some time
I could see it I this will be interesting because this going to be pretty much the first time ever that I
will see a motherboard full cover block and be like yeah good call that makes
sense yeah yeah cuz in the past it's looked really cool but it's been like
okay that's an excessively expensive PC probably because of a showcase and it
probably makes no sense in terms of actually anyone ever doing this but it
looks cool for whatever brand wanted to show it off like sure why not but this
that'll be pretty cool it'll be interesting having people like actually
ask questions about full cover blocks I know right um all right what else we've got
for topic I just have to I just have to pause the show for a second uh Timmy
val1 123 in the twitch chat just said an all capital letters I just wanted to
make sure that I re-echo this I have a boyfriend and I just wanted to make sure
it's apparently extremely important that you have one no or that Timmy does that
Timmy does hey you know what Timmy congrats okay good job all right
Facebook plans to unveil a
$200 now we've heard that before yeah
yeah Wireless that's new Oculus VR
headset in 2018 the whole twitch chat is like
congrats timy oh man um yeah I mean that's cool
uh code name Pacific if anyone's looking to buy an Oculus Rift it's designed and
this is going to terrify you to bridge the gap between cheap smartphone mounted
VR headsets and high-end gaming
ones oh it does not need to be Tethered to a
PC or a phone it will ship next year and represent an entirely new category the
device hold on just hold it in for now the device resembles a more compact
version of the rift and will be lighter than Samsung's gear VR headset the idea
is that someone will be able to pull the headset out of their bag and watch movies on a flight just the way you can
now with a phone or tablet watch movies hold it hold it in the new headset will
have a similar interface to gear VR and can be controlled via wireless remote
they plan to power the product with a Snapdragon mobile chip from qualcom and
its gaming power will be superior to that of the gear VR but unlike the
powerful Rift device and it will not include positional tracking
technology they plan to begin briefing content makers on the device by
October and it will have a download store oh the download store will be
Rewritten and accessible from a virtual reality interface
um
and go so they gave
up like is is that it is that all that I
have to say Oculus just gave up they're just like yeah screw it vr's done we're
out of here uh we have lots of Facebook money that's fine no one's buying
headsets cuz they're overpriced and not very good right now so we're just going
to stop developing those and we'll just make a phone that's built into the
headsets you can't take the phone out and uh there you go you could just buy
this one that you can just slip this device that you literally always effing
carry on you in the front of it and it'll just work and that would be
totally fine and it doesn't cost that much but no it's going to be ever so
slightly faster and you can watch movies on the plane wow cuz you can't already
do that on your phone or like the screen that's built into the freaking chair in
front of you it's going to suck word that I'm not going to say in
terms of performance and that's a huge huge issue right now VR applications for
desktop your desktop computer is usually
not fast enough to run really really high fidelity really really high quality
games it's a little bit of an issue it's a little bit hard to do it's possible
but it's difficult and then the headsets that you have right now for desktop
tethered like the Vive and the current Rift don't have good enough screens
don't have good enough a lot of other kind of stuff to be at the minimum quality that consumers expect and
they're way too freaking expensive so you release a dedicated 200 $100 device
which no one's going to really want to buy because they can just slip their thing into a Daydream or whatever which
should be a lot cheaper and probably will be now that this launches not to
mention that stuff like this already has existed I literally carried I was
literally the product manager for viix back at ncx Sony has one yeah like Sony
professionally has a movie viewer designed for are you ready to chill out
a little bit cuz I withheld one key piece of information from you oh God I'm
like very angry and disappointed but Facebook has also said it's working on a
prototype device named Santa Cruz that is basically a wireless Rift with the
full power of the original device sans's PC actually that's not going to make you
any less mad probably sans's PC but without a
PC wait what okay sorry I I thought they
were just talking about Wireless Rift I didn't read the last two words okay I don't understand how that makes any
sense either so basically so you need a
backpack or something so basically it's it's a porn device now yes
and you can watch porn on a plane they gave up like I've I've mentioned on like
two Wan shows recently I've gotten some Flack for it but it is a thing um it's
not all of the posts but there's a notably increased amount compared to
quite a few months back if you go to like the Oculus subreddit of posts that
are just about porn and you know what you want to look at porn on your device
go for it I don't care I don't give a crap at all but what these things are
really supposed to be doing in the long run is like really really interesting
entertainment mediums not watching movies on a plane I'm talking about like
virtual things look hold on picture this
oh God virtual big screen just killed him a little bit
inside I think every time hold on get
this simulated theater experience this is so bad it is so bad I don't
understand it's so bad but there's such interesting
experiences that you can do and such interesting experiences that you can have if you come to LTX I'll try to show
you some of them there's specific uh uh servos is a specific VR game development
company that is making very good and very interesting things uh raw data and
I don't remember the name of their new one but it's a running one and it's racing and it's actually really cool you
race against each other and you can like you have to run around but it's kind of
like skis I finally got Arizona Sunshine Arizona Sunshine's pretty cool um
there's a robo recall is like amazing like there's really really good
experiences that you can have but the device was supposed to be a different price than it was by a lot because
there's a huge cost in the computer already and it's way too expensive
pissed off this was really fun okay why don't we talk about something a little
lighter well it's a little heavy the KFC
phone it's the only thing about KFC that could be light at all this might make
more sense than that stupid thing that huawei's special edition KFC smartphone
for China someone someone sorry someone in the chat just said man cares too much
I do I really want VR to work and I just
I feel I I feel like they're just doing
like clearly the wrong things they'll make it work it's just going to be like
kind of lame mainstream VR for like a
long time a long time and like that Gap I was talking to was it Rubio Jeff Rubio
I could have the name wrong but the guy from Naughty Dog that now works for
Oculus um and he he gave a timeline and
I was like you know what that makes sense and I think it was something about something around 3 years from when I had
that meeting and you can line up that meeting because that lined up with uh a
Counter-Strike tournament where I made a video about watching the Counter-Strike
tournament with the Vive right um I don't think that's going to happen
anymore so another news um it's to celebrate KFC's 30th Anniversary within
the country of China okay the KFC edition of the Huawei enjoy 7 plus was
unveiled by the restaurant chain via its official weebo page in addition to a
snazzy red finish and a picture of the colel on the back of the device the
smartphone comes pre-loaded with the K music app which allows you to play music
over the speaker system installed in KFC restaurants what which definitely
wouldn't get annoying really really really fast for everybody else and won't
be eliminated entirely almost immediately only 5,000 of SM will be
produced preapproved music that you can put through it I guess so and there
other weird KFC things so um oh no never
mind these are just other weird KFC things um they had a takeout box that
apparently doubled as a smartphone charger and a facial recognition scanner
in conjunction with search giant BYU B whatever to help offer meal suggestions
oh boy like basic I guess it just looks for how many chins you have and decides
how many pieces of chicken you need like is that how that would
work I wonder how difficult it would be to do get like machine learning to like
analyze faces that would actually be fascinating if you could how accurate it
would be if you could try and figure out would be very because KFC unlike
somewhere okay so let's take A&W actually A&W in the states is very
different from up here so this none of this might make any sense um but let's
take A&W you can be like a MOAB Burger
person or you can be a teen Burger person and there would be nothing you
could know or like a chubby chicken burger these are all sort of equ
but they taste different um whereas at
KFC there's chicken and there's less
chicken and there's more chicken it's like a bucket of chicken there's like a
little tiny box of chicken or a small box of bucket of chicken like or a
trough of chicken like it's it's all about chicken I would be curious to know
if you could just entered like a picture of yourself and like of your house and
of your and enter your BMI if it could
tell you what you were planning to order at KFC that would be a very interesting
study um just in like in like how humans
do thing and like psychology and it would just be a very very interesting
study I would read
it okay H the OnePlus 5 display is
upside down so this was posted by nerd Slayer on the Forum
oops confirmed the jelly scrolling
effect which honestly I didn't even notice it is amazing the kinds of things
like like well it's it's stupid because like I'll be able to tell the difference
between like 72 and 60 HZ on a display
yeah if I'm playing a game or something and people be like who cares whereas
like I look at like a phone and I'm like there's a slight kind of rebounding
effect when you scroll and they're calling it the uh the jelly jelly
scrolling effect or something like that and apparently it is C caused by
OnePlus moving the motherboard and hence flipping the display panel in order to
accommodate their new dual lens camera module so they consciously rearrange the
internals and then are using a a
normally only used for Diagnostics but they actually used this so they used a
field that you can that exists in Android where you can flip the display
180 degrees yeah um
in order to account for this rearrangement that's
so weird and so what users did was they manually changed other devices to be
upside down and the jelly scrolling
effect appeared on them now what I'd like to know because obviously if you
hold a display like this that doesn't have an upside down display installation
and go like this or you hold it like this and go like this it doesn't matter
so what I want to know is if this is just a matter of a simple optimization
that could be done in software it feels like it would be
um so we'll we'll see we'll
see uh the Google pixel 2 design was leaked this was posted by Mr Chow 1991
0319 on the Forum and the original article here is from Android police
apparently it will be made by LG this time rather than
HTC um and this is apparently the pixel XL with a low bezel AMOLED display and a
squeezable frame HTC won't be the only one with a
squeezable frame neat I um guess that's
cool it's one of those things that like I've never really asked for why do you
what what what's the benefit you can have it do stuff okay
yeah um 6-in AMOLED display with round corners glass window on the back is
smaller this time fingerprint reader no longer inside of it but below it no
visible antenna bands it's believed it will have a squeezable frame okay so
that's pretty much all we know none of that sounds super important to me um
there's things that I care a lot more about on the pixel 2 than any of that
information so I think we'll have to wait Logitech is on a roll here with
Acquisitions this was posted by dasin on the Forum the original article here is
from CNET apparently or I could just use the uh press release that they sent me
autoplay no bo so there there there won't be like a gaming headset industry
eventually cuz it'll just be Logitech heads Raz and Razer that's fair who else
exist
Turtle Beach is sort of still kicking around like on the console side I think
okay I don't understand quite how but I didn't understand why Astro had a right
to exist either I mean to be clear apparently the A40 is great um the only
one I ever reviewed was the A50 and it was terrible i' I've never had a good
experience with them it was an abominable value and that was compared
to wireless headphones that or headsets that existed back then and to my
knowledge I I don't think they've updated it so they bought Ultimate Ears
they bought jbird they Acquired scitec
and they've been doing great things I I haven't seen what they've done with scitec yet have they released anything I
don't know if they've done much with scitec um but basically Logitech kind of
went well we're an engineering company we're just going to embrace that
and screw it we're just going to buy
Brands it's been working so far the Ultimate Ears one espe
I'm interested to see what they do with scitech cuz I love that kind of stuff
but yeah yeah meanwhile Razer is running around buying THX and phone maker next
bit so apparently the deal will close in early August and uh yeah basically I I
didn't even read any of Logitech statements about it because this is fairly transparent yeah Logitech
couldn't figure out why the hell anyone
was using Astro gaming headsets which is valid so they went okay well I don't
want to deal with this anymore and bought them which is valid
yeah so some of the Astro gaming branding especially from way back in the
day was really sick like I remember they had at packs they were giving away an
astro gaming shirt and it was like by far the coolest one at the event and
like they had a really cool booth and they partnered with really cool people
so I could understand how if like you're just woful ignorant in terms of headsets
and you're like I went to this cool event and they had cool stuff I'm going
to tell my friends and we're all going to buy them you know what I mean
especially before like reviews on that kind of stuff was a big thing and easily
accessible lately though I don't know how they're still
around I don't know man apparently this
is great so uh apparently Logitech is
taking in and if if it ain't broke don't fix it approach
here and the as and Logitech G Brands
will keep separate teams and
um basically they're saying we don't just want to jam a new product down your
throats every year just because we can so that's the nice way of saying if you
guys like this trash then we'll just keep making it for you I guess as far as
I can tell wow cuz there's no doubt that logitech's engineering knows a lot more
about engineering than Astro's
engineering Astro might be able to help them make make it so the headsets don't
fall off people's heads okay that's fair that would be good that's fair want a
little update there yeah that's fair but then Logitech also could have just like
gone and bought a hyperx cloud and
disassembled it if they wanted to understand how that works
yeah all right so on that note thank you for watching The W show we will see you
guys again next week same bat Time same bat channel do you want to do a short
Afterparty stream we can sure let's do it yeah bye
people are calling me lonus lame tips wow why I have never been called
something that offensive in my life look at this how do they do this like how do
you screw this up it's unbelievable the easiest thing
in the world would be to use the same file this one's see this one's right
sort of except the faces why did they change I don't know