1 00:00:02,320 --> 00:00:09,599 hey hey it's w show time again we've got a great show for you guys today 2 00:00:07,759 --> 00:00:13,679 unfortunately you aren't watching it you're watching the W show 3 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:20,760 oh lol you know I really feel like when 4 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:25,320 I'm old I what what are those Muppets names the hecklers the the old man 5 00:00:23,359 --> 00:00:29,279 hecklers oh I haven't watched The Muppets in about 25 years I I don't I 6 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:33,760 don't know well I think I know who you're talking about but my goal in life 7 00:00:31,519 --> 00:00:38,920 is to basically be those guys when I'm old uh Muppet hecklers I I don't know I 8 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:44,239 don't know what their names are well that's not very difficult to do ah 9 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:47,239 W okay so they're supposed weren't they supposed to be sort of like weird 10 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:52,120 versions like cisc and Ebert or something yeah yeah I think so I think 11 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:56,120 so and you know everything everything is a oneliner with them they're like this 12 00:00:53,480 --> 00:01:01,840 is a great show yeah great at putting me to 13 00:00:57,559 --> 00:01:04,119 sleep oh man I I aspire to nothing more 14 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:07,799 actually um that's going to be that's going to be very easy to do you're 15 00:01:05,439 --> 00:01:11,520 setting the bar very low for yourself I think I'm basically at I think I'm 16 00:01:09,439 --> 00:01:16,520 basically there now with kind of are you're just not old yet so so that's all 17 00:01:14,320 --> 00:01:20,240 I have to achieve you just have to age to do that's it to do everything I want 18 00:01:18,320 --> 00:01:24,520 out of my life I just have to continue to make it around the Sun like another 19 00:01:22,439 --> 00:01:27,479 40 or so more times and then I'll and then I'm great you live in Canada they 20 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:31,400 told me this is a safe country so it's probably fine um all right so wel 21 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:36,880 welcome to the W show you guys we've got a bunch of great topics for you today 22 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:39,240 including Intel 23 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:45,680 uncharacteristically throwing shade at the competition which For the First Time 24 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:49,240 In Like A decade is 25 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:51,119 AMD it's like the insecurity is just 26 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:57,079 dripping out of the computer screen right it was it was pretty brutal it was 27 00:01:53,200 --> 00:02:01,280 pretty brutal M um also AMD's ryzen 28 00:01:57,079 --> 00:02:03,799 Threadripper and ryzen 3 have tons of 29 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:11,080 new updates in a uh video post that they created earlier on this week the Skylake 30 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:13,360 X vrm and thermal paste and power 31 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:20,319 consumption mess has been explored by Tom's Hardware and we've got John here 32 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:22,879 to specially cover a legal topic that we 33 00:02:20,319 --> 00:02:28,239 wanted to get into uh which one was it where is it where is it Zillo the Zillow 34 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:33,440 uh copyright infringement case which sounds a lot less interesting than it 35 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:40,040 actually is there we go Zillow massive website tries to sue uh 36 00:02:37,319 --> 00:02:44,720 satirical blogger over photos that Zillow doesn't even own so brilliant so 37 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:51,920 it's going to be a good one so let's go ahead and roll the intro and we'll see you on the other side R the intro yes it 38 00:02:49,959 --> 00:02:57,080 worked I think we might be a little bit out of focus but that's okay I'm never 39 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:06,159 focused I mean you did just take the joke right out of my head so prob give 40 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:06,159 you cred for that you won't miss 41 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:14,000 it I don't know where okay all right I fix it h 42 00:03:11,959 --> 00:03:18,879 com fres books and put that back so that the 43 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:24,840 intro Will Roll properly next time that is indeed why I do that did the did 44 00:03:21,879 --> 00:03:28,720 Twitter just crash how how you even how even do this is it Twitter's fault or is 45 00:03:26,640 --> 00:03:33,519 it Chrome's fault maybe both I I don't know it could very easily P's over here 46 00:03:31,640 --> 00:03:38,680 playing with the focus yeah oh thank you P that is that is just wonderful and the 47 00:03:35,879 --> 00:03:46,799 Tweet is up this is I didn't even notice so this is how double tweets happen Okay 48 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:49,879 Chrome thank you all right so the 49 00:03:46,799 --> 00:03:52,040 original topic here is from uh wow I 50 00:03:49,879 --> 00:03:56,480 actually managed to prepare even less than usual for the W show today I do not 51 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:59,879 have my HDMI cable plugged in and somehow I managed to my muscle memory 52 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:04,519 didn't help me here I managed to put my Mouse in the wrong spot all right we're 53 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:09,319 not Boy Scouts we not really prepared we're going to jump right in this was 54 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:11,560 originally posted over on ours Technica 55 00:04:09,319 --> 00:04:15,799 and oh we're doing this okay in a nutshell uh here we go Linus's screen is 56 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:23,120 it going to work is it going to work is it oh wow there we go 57 00:04:18,199 --> 00:04:26,639 yes okay so take me through this John 58 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:29,120 what is going on here so uh as you can 59 00:04:26,639 --> 00:04:34,680 see on the uh screen grab there site called uh mcmansion hell and for those 60 00:04:32,039 --> 00:04:42,639 of you who don't know or probably mostly people not from the US or what's a McMan 61 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:45,199 a MCM is a large yet relatively cheaply 62 00:04:42,639 --> 00:04:48,960 built house it was um they were building them all over the place in the US before 63 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:54,639 um the housing bubble burst in the late 2000s and uh they're they're larger but 64 00:04:52,919 --> 00:05:00,360 like I said slightly cheaper cheap more cheaply built built houses and so this 65 00:04:58,039 --> 00:05:05,400 um this blogger started this website called mcmansion hell and this blogger 66 00:05:02,759 --> 00:05:10,120 is I think an architectural student so she was going through and posting all 67 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:12,880 these pictures of homes that she 68 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:16,639 considered to be mcms and telling people oh these are terrible buildings that 69 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:20,360 have terrible architecture here are the reasons why and this is a regular blog 70 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:24,759 that she updated sounds pretty funny yeah it was pretty popular she had lots 71 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:29,080 of visitors um who liked her sort of snarky take on oh LOL you could scrape 72 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:33,520 these Windows off with a paint knife this is terrible um so she got a lot of these pictures 73 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:36,840 from Zillow which is like this huge sort of like real estate site if you want to 74 00:05:35,479 --> 00:05:41,800 sell your house a lot of people use Zillow to post pictures of the house on 75 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:44,720 there so sure okay yeah anyway Zillow 76 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:49,880 got wind to this and they so they sent her a very angry cease and assist letter 77 00:05:47,919 --> 00:05:54,759 saying oh you're infringing our copyrights and you can't do this and 78 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:57,080 this and that so um so this kind of blew 79 00:05:54,759 --> 00:06:03,080 up she freaked out she's like my is at stake so yeah so so she could lose her 80 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:04,840 job but Zillow didn't take these photos 81 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:11,240 no they didn't which is like a huge Wrinkle In this case so the photos that 82 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:14,360 um people like they upload them to Zilla right so if you want to sell your house 83 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:20,199 you take your own photos of your own house and you upload them the photos are 84 00:06:16,319 --> 00:06:21,479 yours and when so I had a look at take 85 00:06:20,199 --> 00:06:26,080 your own photos what are we doing here that's what you sound like sorry go ahead that's what I sound like okay 86 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:29,800 thank you I know what I sound like I have plenty of people in the tech 87 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:33,479 quickie comments hey John do you know that you sound like are you from the 88 00:06:31,639 --> 00:06:36,720 south yeah where where where are you from yeah it's what what do you have in 89 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:42,120 your mouth what's wrong with your voice anyway so I think someone has asked me 90 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:45,400 that one time okay anyway but all right so you take the pictures you put them on 91 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:50,080 Zillow I had to look at zillow's terms of service and they say okay if you put 92 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:54,440 pictures on Zillow you're giving us a non-exclusive license to to use them 93 00:06:53,000 --> 00:07:00,440 yeah that's pretty typical like even on the LT Forum um I believe your text 94 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:07,160 content we actually say we own but pictures posted we something along 95 00:07:03,840 --> 00:07:09,080 those lines and okay so if you look at 96 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:12,360 if you look at if Zillow can even Sue because that's the big one of the big 97 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:17,400 questions it's like do they even have standing to Sue and and standing laws of 98 00:07:15,919 --> 00:07:23,560 it's kind of a simple concept to understand right it's if you're going to take someone to court you have to be a 99 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:26,879 party to whatever the dispute is if someone walks in here and punches lonus 100 00:07:25,639 --> 00:07:33,120 in the mouth and knocks a few of his teeth out yeah I can't see neighbor well 101 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:36,240 maybe you could your my livelihood is at 102 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:37,960 stake because my boss can't come to work 103 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:43,080 and shoot the videos that I write therefore but so yeah it's a bit more 104 00:07:40,319 --> 00:07:49,240 tenuous but but if let's say you were some complete freaking random yeah yeah 105 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:54,360 you can't sue because you have nothing at well well if someone okay suppose 106 00:07:51,919 --> 00:08:00,159 that lions and I were just friends and we're walking down the street together 107 00:07:57,319 --> 00:08:05,720 friends suppose someone comes up to him just punches him in the face I can't sue 108 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:10,960 that that guy on Lion's behalf he has to do it himself so the concept is that how 109 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:13,479 how the concept applies here man I've had way too much caffeine just all over 110 00:08:12,479 --> 00:08:19,159 the place the way the concept applies here 111 00:08:16,199 --> 00:08:22,440 is that the fifth circuit which is was no it was the ninth I'm sorry but the 112 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:25,639 ninth circuit in the US very influential appeals court right below the Supreme 113 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:30,960 Court yeah uh there was a case from a couple years ago where they ruled that 114 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:35,159 you have you can have standing to sue about infringement of someone else's 115 00:08:32,519 --> 00:08:41,599 copyright only if you have some sort of exclusive right which in their own terms 116 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:43,159 of service do not have right if I don't 117 00:08:41,599 --> 00:08:46,839 know if it says nonexclusive specifically but but it doesn't 118 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:53,160 specifically say it's exclusive what you would have to do correct so so this is 119 00:08:50,560 --> 00:08:58,959 whether they even have standing to sue the MCM hell blogger is very very very 120 00:08:56,440 --> 00:09:03,480 unclear I would my if I were to Hazard a guess I would say they do not but it 121 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:07,480 didn't stop her from being embroiled in this big legal battle she's got some 122 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:11,640 pretty prominent IP lawyers on her side right now but um it's it's an 123 00:09:09,959 --> 00:09:15,760 interesting question about you know who gets this could affect dank memes 124 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:20,519 forever it absolutely could who gets to use Pepe which is which is why this 125 00:09:18,560 --> 00:09:24,320 conversation is important by the way which is why we're having it on L show 126 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:30,680 but honestly I'm still not over how lowkey burned I just got about a minute 127 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:33,279 or two ago there the suppose we were 128 00:09:30,680 --> 00:09:36,200 friends see with I qualified the statement by saying 129 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:43,000 just let the records show I said just 130 00:09:39,839 --> 00:09:45,360 instead of friends plus cooworker lineus 131 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:48,680 being on Facebook our current status would be it's 132 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:51,720 complicated okay okay see see what you've done you've gone you've gone on 133 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:56,560 you've made this something it isn't now there's going to be more horrible like 134 00:09:53,519 --> 00:09:59,120 fanfiction written about this thanks and 135 00:09:56,560 --> 00:10:03,320 now you're the one who invited it you're the who invited you know what let's have 136 00:10:01,079 --> 00:10:06,240 Luke join us let's have Luke join us for a fan fiction 137 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:12,839 Extravaganza if we're going to invite it we might as well invite it what what's 138 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:16,720 happening it's just that I don't want it's just that I don't want you to come 139 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:22,600 between us oh okay I use the words just friends to to imply in illegal 140 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:28,959 hypothetical involving me and lonus and things happen so quit get naked says 141 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:30,040 twitch chat um speaking of violating the 142 00:10:28,959 --> 00:10:36,639 terms a service so 143 00:10:32,560 --> 00:10:40,959 basically Zillow still says 144 00:10:36,639 --> 00:10:44,200 um they they what do they want they 145 00:10:40,959 --> 00:10:46,320 wanted to take down the photos oh okay 146 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:50,320 but what what what's interesting about this another thing that's interesting 147 00:10:47,519 --> 00:10:54,519 about this is that even if some Court said that Zillow has standing to sue 148 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:58,839 which I doubt but if it gets to that phase yeah um one of the biggest things 149 00:10:56,839 --> 00:11:03,079 that courts look for whether to determine if a use of the copyrighted 150 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:07,519 photo or something is fair use that turn gets thrown around a lot fair use is the 151 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:12,279 effect on the market for the work who the heck is going to like start selling 152 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:16,720 their random pictures of their random mcmansions and make tons of money off of 153 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:20,160 them right you know so and I think so there's a there's a strong argument I'm 154 00:11:18,839 --> 00:11:23,760 not saying it'll win necessarily but there's a strong argument saying there's 155 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:27,320 no real market for these pictures as being affected right so she wants to 156 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:32,480 argue fair use but again like I said there's a standing issue may not even get to that point so okay got it yeah 157 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:38,440 there there's multiple Hoops to jump through in in law if you've ever fought a traffic ticket I'm sure you've figured 158 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:43,920 that out so all right well thanks John I'm going to have Luke tag in because he 159 00:11:40,399 --> 00:11:45,720 actually just arrived back from the one 160 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:49,639 and only Silicon Valley can we talk about the juicero real fast before he 161 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:52,760 tags out we can talk about the juicero okay hold on is that even in the dock 162 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:56,880 yeah I put it in there like 45 minutes ago all right all right let's bring extremely quickly we'll do we're 163 00:11:55,120 --> 00:12:01,440 bringing up the juicero tell me about okay so this is also from ours um we 164 00:11:59,519 --> 00:12:04,600 ever talked about this thing before I know we haven't on the channel have we 165 00:12:02,839 --> 00:12:08,839 ever talked about it like on the W show cuz I don't believe we have not much we 166 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:13,959 have yes I think yeah I think says a little bit we said yeah it's dumb okay 167 00:12:10,959 --> 00:12:15,600 I'll give you a really quick tldr um if 168 00:12:13,959 --> 00:12:20,480 also if you've seen any of of of critical videos on YouTube I'm sure 169 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:25,800 you've seen this where he lampooned this ridiculous thing called the juicero and 170 00:12:22,519 --> 00:12:28,079 it's it is a juicer that originally cost 171 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:32,279 $800 they've since dropped the price to$ 400 and now it's going to be down to 172 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:37,800 below 200 according to this article from RS Technica but all it is it's this 173 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:42,519 thing they ship you packets you know they look like they look like giant you 174 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:46,800 know hot or coold packets or whatever they cost about $5 to $7 each you put 175 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:49,720 them inside this thing you shut a door on it you press a button and it has to 176 00:12:48,399 --> 00:12:53,440 be connected to the internet at all times it squeezes the juice packet and 2 177 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:58,760 minutes later you have the glass of juice that's literally what it does and 178 00:12:56,120 --> 00:13:02,760 it originally sold for um seven or I think it was $700 but it was very 179 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:08,120 expensive okay so so apparently they've cut the price 180 00:13:06,519 --> 00:13:14,079 already they've cut the price down to $200 and they've laid off a bunch of 181 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:15,839 their staff and my question is my 182 00:13:14,079 --> 00:13:21,120 question was why it was so expensive to begin with and apparently this thing was 183 00:13:18,279 --> 00:13:25,800 this it was ridiculously over engineered some website did a tear down of it and 184 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:34,000 it was a really really high build quality which is great but sorry a he's 185 00:13:29,839 --> 00:13:35,519 a YouTuber oh a right okay A a did the 186 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:39,720 did the tear down is that right Luke okay so he did the tear down and the 187 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:43,680 thing was like I said absurdly over engineering all it was doing was just 188 00:13:41,639 --> 00:13:48,160 squeezing a bag of like fruits and vegetables to make juice out of it um so 189 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:55,279 they decide to lower the price down to $200 but I'm wondering why not just get 190 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:59,199 an actual like baller juicer from Bed Bath and Beyond or somewhere or Amazon 191 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:02,440 for that price and you could even get like an Amazon Fresh subscription and 192 00:14:00,959 --> 00:14:08,920 have the veggies and the fruits delivered to your door if you're too lazy to go to the store to buy them 193 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:11,240 instead of instead of 194 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:14,480 this I mean could you see is there a universe where you would find this 195 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:20,440 useful lus like if you wanted fresh juice after a bad mitton game or 196 00:14:16,560 --> 00:14:22,519 something um so I have a Vitamix okay so 197 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:29,120 basically everything else can just get crapped 198 00:14:24,279 --> 00:14:32,440 on so no so no there you go and the 199 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:34,560 stupid thing is that like as even at the 200 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:38,720 $400 price point you could get a used Vitamix which by the way will probably 201 00:14:36,279 --> 00:14:42,399 run for like 50 years because those things are 202 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:46,639 unbelievable um for the same price and then you could put literally anything 203 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:51,920 like you could put a child in a Vitamix um we we don't advise you do that you 204 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:56,040 can put has never happened well I can't say it's never happened yes um it's 205 00:14:53,759 --> 00:15:01,199 never happened to my children or in my presence or at my instruction there we 206 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:06,079 go am I covering all my legal bases right now I I I I think you are please 207 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:07,600 do not I I I know that I I I know that 208 00:15:06,079 --> 00:15:12,759 small children cry but please don't put them in the Vitamix anyway okay what 209 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:16,440 what what uh what is this um modest proposal it's like you're channeling the 210 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:21,120 guy who wrote mod basically this is so strange oh crap I'm hold on hold on 211 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:26,600 Jonathan wait wait don't tell me ah no you already gave me enough of a 212 00:15:23,399 --> 00:15:28,120 hint Swift okay well dang it it we all 213 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:33,360 we all know how intelligent you are L us it'll be all right so well it's remembering facts is not a not an 214 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:37,480 indication of intelligence necessarily although an complete inability to 215 00:15:35,079 --> 00:15:40,959 remember any facts could be an indicator that you're not intelligent so what does 216 00:15:39,519 --> 00:15:46,399 that mean about people who remember a lot of facts 217 00:15:43,399 --> 00:15:49,279 nothing yeah I say that's I say that's I 218 00:15:46,399 --> 00:15:53,240 say that's accurate all right of course the twitch chat lonus likes Blended 219 00:15:50,959 --> 00:15:56,959 children confirmed no I don't like them why would I put them in a blender if I 220 00:15:55,079 --> 00:16:02,360 liked them wait what were we talking about 221 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:07,399 the flavor of dead children onto our onto our next topic so uh thanks John 222 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:13,480 thank you lus I feel like I'm supposed to shake your hand but like you work here I work with it's like yeah I know 223 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:16,720 but it's like a I feel like we're like having guests on like a talk show right 224 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:21,959 now and like that's what they always do they're always like yeah John welcome to the show hey John thanks for being on 225 00:16:20,079 --> 00:16:27,480 and we'll see you after the break yeah you don't fresh books don't shake my 226 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:29,120 hand no you're not um you're not uh 227 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:33,440 who's doing the light show now cool bear if you're not yeah cool bear I'm not 228 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:37,120 cool bear you know what I just want to say uh thanks for having me on the show 229 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:41,519 I really I really appreciate you he knows what's up he knows what he just he 230 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:45,759 made you look so bad I I really appreciate the first he called me not a 231 00:16:43,519 --> 00:16:53,079 friend then he's like you're not cool bear like 232 00:16:48,399 --> 00:16:54,800 fine um oh man okay so do do do you want 233 00:16:53,079 --> 00:17:00,000 to talk about where you were like on a very high level yeah hell yeah let's do 234 00:16:57,040 --> 00:17:04,959 it I got freaking you burned owned you were down there for one only one side of 235 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:06,640 your face and like what are you doing 236 00:17:04,959 --> 00:17:09,480 this side is white and this side is red you're brave is it that bad you're brave 237 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:13,839 heart dude have to wait for this to catch up oh it's pretty bad you're brave 238 00:17:11,559 --> 00:17:17,919 heart okay what are you doing I I went to Twitch I went to hang out with my 239 00:17:14,959 --> 00:17:21,160 friend John and uh at one point in time he was like let's go get lunch at the 240 00:17:19,559 --> 00:17:25,079 pier didn't realize how far away the pier was so we walked for like a very 241 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:29,240 long time it's like pier and they're like numbered or whatever right I yeah 242 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:32,799 okay sure and then had to walk all the way back trendy in the Sun the whole 243 00:17:31,120 --> 00:17:39,480 time while I'm carrying my like ridiculously heavy backpack I picked up 244 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:42,120 on that yeah that was uh that it was an 245 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:47,760 experience so how's your how's your trip it was really good it was fun checking 246 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:50,280 out twitch they are a crazy company um 247 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:55,720 be careful what you say need I remind you what benevolent 248 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:58,320 overlords um we are we are leaning on 249 00:17:55,720 --> 00:18:03,880 right now to broadcast this here stream this might be say oh oh Lordy it's 250 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:05,400 Luke's mom oh good hello my favorite 251 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:11,159 hi hi how many times have I talked to you 252 00:18:08,679 --> 00:18:14,600 Luke about sunscreen how many times I didn't know how long the walk was going 253 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:17,480 to be your mom's on my side for a change you know you know you know when we went 254 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:23,679 to Mexico mom lafrenier you know what 255 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:27,360 happened he didn't bring any sunscreen 256 00:18:23,679 --> 00:18:29,720 at all he asked me to buy him a tube of 257 00:18:27,360 --> 00:18:33,880 sunscreen after he' already been burned which by the way is not how sunscreen 258 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:39,440 works as you well know and then he didn't pay me back for 259 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:39,440 it my 260 00:18:40,039 --> 00:18:45,080 God I didn't really remember the story then he said he didn't pay me back for 261 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:51,960 it and I was like yeah it's probably true oh my gosh well the good thing 262 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:55,280 about this is lonus he is now your 263 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:59,679 problem whoa whoa hold 264 00:18:55,280 --> 00:19:03,559 on that's a big step we just shook hands 265 00:18:59,679 --> 00:19:06,559 I I not I'm not signing any 266 00:19:03,559 --> 00:19:08,240 documents taking legal custody of this 267 00:19:06,559 --> 00:19:15,799 guy getting adopted when you're in your like mid 20s heck yeah all right any 268 00:19:12,039 --> 00:19:15,799 more Burns lus and it's on 269 00:19:16,360 --> 00:19:26,480 you I I can't I can't she just 270 00:19:21,120 --> 00:19:28,720 leave wow hangs up even when I agree 271 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:33,880 with your mom she still finds a way to to burn me even when we're on the same 272 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:37,159 team maybe not as bad as maybe not as bad as I got burned yeah not as bad as 273 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:42,559 you got burned but yeah it was it was a fun trip they have like a they have a 274 00:19:39,799 --> 00:19:48,799 multiple five versus 5 gaming lounges in their Studios they have uh uh a bar of 275 00:19:45,919 --> 00:19:53,760 course they open bar on Fridays of course they at least for the team that I 276 00:19:51,120 --> 00:19:57,640 was talking to they're like time policy they have unlimited vacation they show 277 00:19:55,640 --> 00:20:01,120 up anytime they want before lunch is served at twitch I don't know the exact 278 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:05,360 time that that is it's not noon but it's like whenever it's served at twitch and 279 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:09,720 uh yeah so when am I getting your two weeks 280 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:13,320 notice no no no I I think I'm going to 281 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:15,159 St I get a month at least a month yeah 282 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:20,840 yes well that's okay I can train up a new Luke in that time no problem no 283 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:26,559 problem at all yeah it was a fun trip though yeah pretty cool 284 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:31,400 okay um so let's move on to our first 285 00:20:26,559 --> 00:20:33,640 topic this is is actually like okay 286 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:40,960 little spicy so here's the thing you know you go hang around you know SLG or 287 00:20:38,159 --> 00:20:46,360 whatever and you'll find you'll find plenty of hate for Intel and their 288 00:20:44,120 --> 00:20:50,320 business practices and their Communications and you'll find hate for 289 00:20:49,360 --> 00:20:59,200 anything Intel um but for the most part for the last 290 00:20:56,760 --> 00:21:07,960 you know yeah eight or so years when they haven't really had 291 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:11,520 a real competitor um Intel has put on a 292 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:13,760 very good and it's up to you the 293 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:19,640 individual viewer to pick your next word this is like a Choose Your Own Adventure 294 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:22,320 book okay you can decide whether it's um 295 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:29,159 whether it's having a a pretty professional uh uh uh image or a pretty 296 00:21:26,159 --> 00:21:31,279 professional facade it's up to you I 297 00:21:29,159 --> 00:21:36,240 don't care but for the most part they've been fairly professional and fairly 298 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:39,279 dignified in their corporate 299 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:42,279 Communications and their slide decks in 300 00:21:39,279 --> 00:21:43,400 their presentations to Partners and to 301 00:21:42,279 --> 00:21:50,159 the Press so this was originally posted by 302 00:21:46,159 --> 00:21:53,360 Finn Hulk fist on the Forum Finn Hulk 303 00:21:50,159 --> 00:21:56,679 fist I love that name any any Nordic 304 00:21:53,360 --> 00:21:59,159 names are just freaking awesome Hulk 305 00:21:56,679 --> 00:22:05,080 fist Nordic name oper cannot possibly go wrong is to have a 306 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:07,320 name like Hulk vist um and the original 307 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:13,320 I thought it was lit just Hulk fist oh no I was like I don't think that's a 308 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:16,440 yeah no okay I got you um so 309 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:19,159 Intel this is just unbelievable so 310 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:27,000 posted by tech power up here in an official slide deck posted the following 311 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:34,080 okay first of all there's some some debate in the 312 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:38,000 industry as to um a couple of things 313 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:41,200 number one as to how exactly Intel is 314 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:45,880 deriving these smt numbers so so that's 315 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:47,960 Intel's uh hyperthreading TM and amds 316 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:53,080 what what are they calling it I I don't I can't remember whatever something 317 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:55,520 something else but smt okay so um 318 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:59,000 symmetrical multi multi threading y so where you take one core and you feed it 319 00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:01,880 a couple of threads so it can process both of them more efficiently than if it 320 00:23:00,559 --> 00:23:07,760 had just processed one thread in the first place okay so it's unclear a 321 00:23:05,799 --> 00:23:12,120 couple things number one how exactly they derive these numbers because they 322 00:23:09,360 --> 00:23:16,400 don't necessarily align with what all the sort of tech media are seeing and 323 00:23:13,919 --> 00:23:21,000 number two whether this is an applicable comparison in the first place because 324 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:25,600 Intel's basically taken a Zeon 325 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:29,279 6134 and they have run clock for clock 326 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:31,320 against a ryzen 7 desktop chip with 327 00:23:29,279 --> 00:23:35,600 the clear argument being that this is a close analog because these are both 328 00:23:33,279 --> 00:23:43,840 eight core 16 thread processors running at 2.2 gigz now to be clear 329 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:46,200 probably that comparison works fine 330 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:52,240 because contrary to what the people who got really confused by mine and Luke's 331 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:54,799 discussion about Vega Frontier Edition 332 00:23:52,240 --> 00:24:01,000 contrary to what those people think architecturally Hardware wise oh yeah 333 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:03,480 the consumer grade stuff is often not 334 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:08,600 materially different from the Enterprise grade stuff sometimes you'll see better 335 00:24:05,799 --> 00:24:13,400 binning a longer warranty you'll see more functional units enabled or you'll 336 00:24:10,360 --> 00:24:14,919 see some some Flags enabled for features 337 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:18,880 that were turned off in order to artificially differentiate them that's 338 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:24,799 where most of the difference comes from so fundamentally Intel's comparison here 339 00:24:22,559 --> 00:24:29,880 may not actually be that far off Hardware Hardware wise but that doesn't 340 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:34,399 change that there are other questions here as well what's the 341 00:24:32,360 --> 00:24:38,279 Baseline uh that's one thing I really hate about these graphs single thre so 342 00:24:37,039 --> 00:24:43,360 that's the other thing you don't know is single thread I guess so improvement 343 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:47,039 over Intel single thread improvement over AMD single I guess don't say 344 00:24:45,799 --> 00:24:52,520 anywhere well there's more information on slide 20 to 21 okay so that's that's 345 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:56,720 fine honestly the negative 13% is just like what that's not well there are 346 00:24:54,679 --> 00:25:00,399 situations where hyperthreading as well does result in a performance lost right 347 00:24:59,279 --> 00:25:04,679 but I don't think we've seen that on ryzen we haven't but that specific 348 00:25:02,679 --> 00:25:08,679 workload that who knows how Cherry Picked or not Cherry Picked it is 349 00:25:06,559 --> 00:25:12,559 honestly that's not the thing that bothered me that much it's not that 350 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:16,720 unusual whether it's AMD Intel or NVIDIA to include some basic performance 351 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:22,960 comparisons when they're trying to make their product look good in a slide deck 352 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:26,360 this one is one of the ones that blew me 353 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:29,159 away where Intel basically gave 354 00:25:26,360 --> 00:25:33,760 themselves a check mark for robust 355 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:37,159 ecosystem Decades of investment in software optimizations and validation 356 00:25:35,559 --> 00:25:40,320 easier application de deployment for customers and some of the stuff on here 357 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:46,039 is just like 358 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:53,600 um okay hold on a second uh like hold on what okay so yeah 359 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:56,960 hold on hold on okay I'm trying to find something just totally stupid there were 360 00:25:55,440 --> 00:26:01,679 there were a couple that were that were really dumb like where gigabytes on here 361 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:11,440 somewhere like what what software optimization are you doing with Gigabyte 362 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:13,159 on your new server chip that AMD doesn't 363 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:20,120 here it is so here's here's like Gigabyte on here because freaking or 364 00:26:16,120 --> 00:26:24,399 something so then AMD doesn't get 365 00:26:20,120 --> 00:26:26,600 Gigabyte on their list of Partners right 366 00:26:24,399 --> 00:26:30,480 not even Gigabyte literally none who I'm pretty sure that AMD works with question 367 00:26:28,679 --> 00:26:38,080 mark we didn't look into it not even super micro okay who I'm pretty sure 368 00:26:33,679 --> 00:26:41,760 that AMD is working with on their uh 369 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:45,600 Naples product and by pretty sure I mean 370 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:48,080 you can you can bet on that um and the 371 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:51,760 list goes on and on I'm sure AMD has talked to 372 00:26:49,559 --> 00:26:55,799 Microsoft okay I'm pretty sure that conversation is going going on right now 373 00:26:54,279 --> 00:27:02,120 so they basically go ex they they take this quote 374 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:03,880 totally out of context expect software 375 00:27:02,120 --> 00:27:10,000 optimizations needed for Naples just like ryzen which is fair but what Intel 376 00:27:07,399 --> 00:27:17,360 ignores is that when they launch a new architecture software optimizations are 377 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:19,760 needed it is it is not even newsworthy 378 00:27:17,360 --> 00:27:26,120 whether it's Intel or AMD for there to be an aatom I believe is the singular of 379 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:28,279 irasa okay RAM okay so some kind of 380 00:27:26,120 --> 00:27:33,200 weird bug where the CPU needs updated micro code and needs maybe even a driver 381 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:38,360 fix in order to fix some kind of a weird Hardware bug that that stuff happens to 382 00:27:35,919 --> 00:27:42,200 both of them and basically they're going to go they they've turned that into 383 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:46,679 AMD's ryzen CPU gaming perform oh yeah okay so they took so they took another 384 00:27:43,919 --> 00:27:50,399 quote totally out of context ryzen CPU gaming performance inhibited by lack of 385 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:56,000 optimization so they're basically saying look software not optimized for their 386 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:59,840 four die peret implementation likely a multi-year investment effort to develop 387 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:09,440 optimizing inv validate an ecosystem that is is taking a nugget of 388 00:28:04,919 --> 00:28:13,039 Truth and blowing it up into a movie 389 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:15,440 theater room filled with 390 00:28:13,039 --> 00:28:19,880 popcorn and a nugget is not even a kernel that's how far off we are random 391 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:24,360 little tidbit I can't verify this because I I can't find them but 392 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:29,200 apparently there's two Hitachi hitachi's just listed twice oh seriously which is 393 00:28:26,919 --> 00:28:33,360 just kind of funny here's Itachi hold on here we go okay where's the other one so 394 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:39,039 here's a Hitachi and here's a Hitachi so Intel works with Hitachi so much that 395 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:43,519 they Hitachi while they Hitachi so they can Hitachi while they Hitachi that yo 396 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:46,679 dog they're they're that hardcore on Hitachi I mean for all I know there's 397 00:28:45,399 --> 00:28:51,600 multiples that are in there twice because I don't think anyone looked that closely at this slide no I don't think 398 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:54,720 legal looked at this slide or maybe maybe they did but they were just like 399 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:59,120 yeah I don't really understand oh no no I thought IBM was in there twice but no 400 00:28:56,559 --> 00:29:03,720 yeah all right okay and you know what's the craziest part is this is that that's 401 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:07,840 not even where this ends no like that's not even the super hardcore part this 402 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:14,120 isn't no in my opinion no no this gets worse and once 403 00:29:10,039 --> 00:29:16,240 again in these black and white terms 404 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:24,120 okay okay oh Intel yes yes yes no no no no no 405 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:28,440 no this is like you know you know when you go to one of those like it's usually 406 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:31,880 slightly ghetto websites and they'll be like this is our product whole bunch of 407 00:29:30,039 --> 00:29:37,480 check marks usually it's for like a video ripping software or right this is 408 00:29:34,559 --> 00:29:40,640 their product no check marks they suck and sometimes it's on nicer stuff but 409 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:44,320 usually it's a little bit more granular and they'll actually show like yeah 410 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:49,080 their software does this thing but we do more of these things whatever but 411 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:56,640 usually it's the dignified way to do it whereas like the janky software way is 412 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:58,640 like has three red pixels in the bottom 413 00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:03,440 corner yes doesn't 414 00:29:59,960 --> 00:30:06,000 doesn't so here me so so let's go let's 415 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:09,960 go let's go back to this uh and I'm taking this out here because we got we 416 00:30:07,159 --> 00:30:15,760 got to look at the slide proven system performance and 417 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:19,640 Innovation inconsistent performance from 418 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:23,559 four glued together desktop dies do I 419 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:26,159 detect that Intel is neither blue nor 420 00:30:23,559 --> 00:30:29,919 red but perhaps a little green right now 421 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:37,120 about Infinity fabric wow because it's not glued 422 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:41,159 together and and do I detect some nearly 423 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:46,200 decade Old Salt right now from back when 424 00:30:41,159 --> 00:30:49,960 AMD was crapping on Intel for gluing 425 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:53,760 together single core processors which by 426 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:56,120 the way Intel was super doing back when 427 00:30:53,760 --> 00:31:02,919 they released the Pentium D series um compar compared to AMD's 428 00:30:59,639 --> 00:31:07,159 architected dual core design do I detect 429 00:31:02,919 --> 00:31:09,880 some salt here because a modular a 430 00:31:07,159 --> 00:31:19,080 modular Core Design is not the same thing as taking your single core product 431 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:19,080 and slapping two dyes onto a 432 00:31:19,279 --> 00:31:25,440 package okay let's carry on next point 433 00:31:22,399 --> 00:31:28,080 architected for the data center which 434 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:33,559 has nothing to do with inconsistent Supply nothing at all and and poor track 435 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:37,840 record now you can go after AMD for having a bit of a poor track record over 436 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:42,799 the last little while sure I don't think that AMD's supply for opteron has been 437 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:49,240 the problem I just don't think anyone's wanted it for a while so basically Intel 438 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:51,519 is taking irrelevant unrelated points 439 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:56,480 and saying and we're architected for the data center which has nothing to do with 440 00:31:53,200 --> 00:32:00,039 those other things we said also Naples 441 00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:03,120 is super architected for the data center 442 00:32:00,039 --> 00:32:06,679 okay AMD epic may have a silly gamery 443 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:09,240 name and it does yeah but that changes 444 00:32:06,679 --> 00:32:16,039 nothing about the way that infinti fabric and the way that they built this 445 00:32:11,799 --> 00:32:18,720 architecture for Mondo PCI Express Lanes 446 00:32:16,039 --> 00:32:22,919 which is super a big deal for the data center right now absolutely is that has 447 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:28,559 nothing to do with the way that this product was designed for massive amounts 448 00:32:26,279 --> 00:32:32,880 of memory and massive numbers of connected devices via 449 00:32:31,519 --> 00:32:39,840 PCI Express okay carrying on robust software 450 00:32:37,519 --> 00:32:45,519 and Hardware we're go we're going after that again we're going after the ecos 451 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:47,679 lack of ecosystem they have no ecosystem 452 00:32:45,519 --> 00:32:50,960 none at all it doesn't exist you can't you can buy the chip you can't put it in 453 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:55,679 anything there's no software for it there's no compatible hardware for 454 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:58,399 here's the problem with this hard sales 455 00:32:55,679 --> 00:33:02,120 pitch in this deck right now if if Intel had come out and 456 00:32:59,799 --> 00:33:06,799 said look we've got a more mature ecosystem that's way more reasonable 457 00:33:04,799 --> 00:33:13,159 we've been supporting the data center for the last 5 years in a way that AMD 458 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:19,080 has just been completely out of the game for we understand our customers better 459 00:33:16,639 --> 00:33:23,679 than AMD coming in as practically an outsider is in a position to do right 460 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:27,080 now you know what the weird i' have gone okay the people who hate Intel are going 461 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:32,080 to hate this because they can find something to hate in anything that Intel 462 00:33:28,639 --> 00:33:35,000 does but I can accept that this slide I 463 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:38,120 cannot accept this slide specifically feels like some person you know how you 464 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:44,039 know how every once in a while you'll see like Intel slides and it's obviously not a real Intel slide it feels like 465 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:48,880 some random dude on YouTube was like I have memes Intel's attacking AMD and 466 00:33:47,519 --> 00:33:54,600 just like threw this slide together in five minutes this is dank memes this is 467 00:33:51,559 --> 00:33:57,480 dank memes level yeah um and the the 468 00:33:54,600 --> 00:34:02,840 show is not even over like the show is not not over there's but wait there's 469 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:09,200 more oh look at these look at these arrows 470 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:15,119 this is good bad this is like a lesson in how to not do PowerPoint it's like 471 00:34:13,159 --> 00:34:21,760 the clickbait version of business marketing right fully integrated all 472 00:34:18,919 --> 00:34:26,720 capital letters big Arrow yeah here's zons oh oh by the way uh hold on a 473 00:34:24,599 --> 00:34:31,480 second okay yeah here's the way that all the cash communic Ates and we're just 474 00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:36,280 kind of ignoring right now the way that all these cores are interconnected 475 00:34:33,720 --> 00:34:44,520 because um in some okay now I'm not the the the Uber 476 00:34:41,879 --> 00:34:49,079 architecturally you know yes I understand I'm intentionally speaking in 477 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:55,720 a non grammatically correct fashion right now because CPU low-level C CPU 478 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:57,960 architecture is not a strong point for 479 00:34:55,720 --> 00:35:03,079 me I do lean on more technical people like Dr cutus over at Anon to explain 480 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:09,079 this stuff to me sometimes but to represent your CPU architecture as fully 481 00:35:06,720 --> 00:35:15,200 integrated as though there aren't internal interconnects and internal 482 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:19,760 bottlenecks on a many core Intel Zeon is 483 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:22,040 not a fair representation of exactly how 484 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:27,040 that works and they're saying here single die implementation maximizes 485 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:29,000 performance and in some cases that may 486 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:35,119 affect performance positively compared to AMD's approach but to call AMD's 487 00:35:32,079 --> 00:35:38,320 approach which by the way these coherent 488 00:35:35,119 --> 00:35:41,240 links matter and the way that every set 489 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:46,640 of Zen cores so there's eight per module here the way that every set of Zen cores 490 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:54,079 has a coherent link against every single other one freaking matters notice the 491 00:35:50,079 --> 00:35:54,079 cross links in the middle that 492 00:35:54,760 --> 00:36:02,800 matters and they they dro the glued together again glued together is not a 493 00:36:00,599 --> 00:36:05,040 fair representation of what AMD is doing over 494 00:36:06,119 --> 00:36:14,760 there unbelievable rough um so it it kind it kind of 495 00:36:12,839 --> 00:36:20,119 actually goes on and on but I feel like we've spent a long time on this topic 496 00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:28,480 and the the point is this is beneath 497 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:31,240 Intel this is not an appropriate 498 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:38,680 dignified way for them to respond they don't have to like even if 499 00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:43,680 it like we've seen this before it's not like AMD has never blindsided Intel with 500 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:48,079 an architecturally and price to Performance 501 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:57,000 Superior product Athlon 64 and first generation 502 00:36:52,280 --> 00:37:01,240 opteron came in and kicked ass in a way 503 00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:04,440 that Zen actually doesn't like Zen is 504 00:37:01,240 --> 00:37:07,839 competitive but not not as crazy as like 505 00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:11,319 yeah yeah but it's not like AMD came out 506 00:37:07,839 --> 00:37:13,040 of absolutely nowhere and took the 507 00:37:11,319 --> 00:37:21,119 performance crown and even when AMD had the 508 00:37:16,720 --> 00:37:25,079 performance Crown it took a long time 509 00:37:21,119 --> 00:37:27,319 outside of the Enthusiast space and the 510 00:37:25,079 --> 00:37:33,560 and actually I mean on server it it kind of went better than on the desktop but 511 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:36,160 it took a long time for AMD to claw back 512 00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:42,640 significant enough market share that Intel couldn't launch Core 2 513 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:44,480 Duo and basically crap all over 514 00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:49,240 everything AMD had achieved in a very short period of time from a business 515 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:53,160 standpoint not from a an industry disruption and and moving all of us 516 00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:58,079 forward standpoint I mean they brought us 64-bit on the 517 00:37:55,640 --> 00:38:04,800 desktop um so the fact that Intel is is reacting in 518 00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:07,720 this kneejerk undignified fashion it 519 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:12,960 doesn't make business sense it doesn't make company image sense it might not 520 00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:17,400 even make legal sense yeah that's a little rough the glued Together part is 521 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:23,839 like specifically an issue 522 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:28,720 so basically come on 523 00:38:23,839 --> 00:38:33,359 guys sup uh about that time oh oh yeah 524 00:38:28,720 --> 00:38:38,000 right um speaking of sup you know what 525 00:38:33,359 --> 00:38:40,240 sup uh oh oh cool we haven't done a 526 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:45,040 comic Bento spot in a long time uh yeah we have oh you did one get wrecked oh 527 00:38:43,599 --> 00:38:51,760 all right well whatever it'll be fun for me yeah so comic Bento is your original 528 00:38:49,359 --> 00:38:58,400 comic book subscription box with at least a $50 value in each box every box 529 00:38:55,400 --> 00:39:00,880 comes with four to five graphic novels 530 00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:07,560 and it's 25 bucks a month or less depending on your plan selection there 531 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:09,760 are monthly themes and this one is old 532 00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:13,200 school which is pretty cool there's there's Avengers 4 I'm not going to go 533 00:39:11,839 --> 00:39:18,599 into like are you ruining what I'm about to unbox did you just do did you just do 534 00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:26,000 what I thought you did there's not avengers definitely uh right it's the 535 00:39:22,079 --> 00:39:28,640 top one it's the top one on the box of 536 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:33,119 course it is that's okay because that means you can't spoil that much of the 537 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:36,920 surprise for me yeah yeah that would have been pretty obvious comes with a 538 00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:43,760 cardboard backing so your precious graphic novels will not be uh bent 539 00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:48,760 unnecessarily all right cool a classic feeling team updated for 540 00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:53,319 a modern reading experience wow these are actually really nicely printed too 541 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:56,800 yeah they often are cool what else we 542 00:39:53,319 --> 00:39:58,160 got in here Captain Victory I have to 543 00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:04,640 confess I am freaking not familiar with Captain 544 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:06,040 Victory neither am I very cool next up 545 00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:11,000 we've got sovere one thing that I do like about 546 00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:15,240 these is they often try to come in with one that you recognize right and then 547 00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:18,560 filter in some other ones that look super cool but you might not know about 548 00:40:17,119 --> 00:40:23,040 unless you're like a super hardcore comic fan and that you'll You' never 549 00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:26,319 like I mean okay perfect example of uh sort of getting drawn into something 550 00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:30,400 that might not have a great cover this has a great cover though Cinderella 551 00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:34,040 serial killer princess how can I like I'm going to read this after the show 552 00:40:32,079 --> 00:40:37,240 apparently it says for the Cinderella one specifically I was reading this uh 553 00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:41,280 serial killer princess critically acclaimed reinvention of Cinderella this 554 00:40:39,359 --> 00:40:44,640 book is for fans of Deadpool and Harley quinnes Comics which if you look at the 555 00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:50,040 front in the art style with like her heel and stuff actually totally makes 556 00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:53,560 sense uh and takes Revenge violence to a 557 00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:55,400 whole new level fun so perfect example 558 00:40:53,560 --> 00:41:01,400 of this is that I was stuck with absolutely nothing to do at my un's 559 00:40:57,720 --> 00:41:03,319 house and the only thing on his shelf 560 00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:08,040 that wasn't like Russian poetry or something was bone are you familiar with 561 00:41:06,119 --> 00:41:11,079 bone no oh okay yeah it's a graphic novel it's like this thick for all of 562 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:16,359 them you should borrow it sometimes cuz it's great sure uh it's something that I wouldn't have looked at unless somebody 563 00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:20,000 put it in front of me and said well you have nothing else to do right now so 564 00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:26,240 you're going to have to read this or do nothing or if I paid for it already so 565 00:41:23,079 --> 00:41:29,240 damn it I better try it yes um so cool 566 00:41:26,240 --> 00:41:31,640 so you can sign up using Code LT to get 567 00:41:29,240 --> 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that one yeah all right so this was posted originally by Valentine on the 619 00:45:20,599 --> 00:45:27,079 Forum and nonte is the original article 620 00:45:23,599 --> 00:45:31,000 here we've got a lot more details about 621 00:45:27,079 --> 00:45:34,559 Threadripper as well as ryzen 3 so the 622 00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:37,079 Threadripper 1920x and 1950x are going 623 00:45:34,559 --> 00:45:41,800 to be 12 and 16 core processors they are freaking huge that is a real human hand 624 00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:46,160 for scale and they're going to cost $799 and 625 00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:49,760 $9.99 AMD has basically come right in 626 00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:51,040 and said nope this stuff doesn't cost 627 00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:58,160 that much PNG the pricing 628 00:45:53,880 --> 00:46:01,040 for Wow Skylake X is is now looking a 629 00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:05,359 little bit out of whack I mean it remains to be seen exactly how well they 630 00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:13,720 perform but we know clock speeds the 1950x will apparently have a base clock 631 00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:17,680 of 3.4 GHz and a boost of 4 GHz 632 00:46:13,720 --> 00:46:21,680 wow that is not freaking bad on that 633 00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:24,319 many threads it's got a TDP of 180 Watts 634 00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:30,359 that's fun though but I don't even care if ryzen is anything to go by it looks 635 00:46:27,559 --> 00:46:35,599 like we might get a proper Tim so a proper thermal interface material which 636 00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:37,920 will help to dissipate that heat and 637 00:46:35,599 --> 00:46:42,160 because it is such a large I don't want to say chip because 638 00:46:40,240 --> 00:46:47,319 that doesn't matter because the overall die area under the spreader is so large 639 00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:51,480 we're going to see coolers that are optimized to have heat pipes across as 640 00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:58,040 many of those processing cores as possible and it should be potentially 641 00:46:54,480 --> 00:47:01,079 easier to manage also assuming that AMD 642 00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:02,839 doesn't Rush the ecosystem too much 643 00:47:01,079 --> 00:47:09,960 hopefully we won't run into any problems with the boards but all of that remains 644 00:47:04,559 --> 00:47:12,680 to be seen and you know combined with um 645 00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:18,200 combined with Intel's wos on x299 right now is further validation for all the 646 00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:23,800 people criticizing me for moving our editors over to 647 00:47:20,079 --> 00:47:27,000 x99 shortly before the x299 launch 648 00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:29,760 that's why I do it because in much that 649 00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:36,800 and it's it has nothing to do with bias it's not AMD Intel NVIDIA I don't give a 650 00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:39,119 crap if it's Mission critical I am not 651 00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:41,960 running you go one gen old then you have all the BIOS updates you have tons of 652 00:47:40,599 --> 00:47:49,599 different chipset updates you have so much different and I might run it if it's one machine but I'm not going to go 653 00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:54,040 and invest an entire workstation change 654 00:47:49,599 --> 00:47:55,480 out in something that maybe it's good or 655 00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:59,920 maybe I'm going to find out that that board that I put in there had has some 656 00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:04,280 silly bug and needs to be recalled or whatever when that would be thoroughly 657 00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:08,400 covered on forums Everywhere by that time buying a year old board that's 658 00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:11,280 right I can just buy something that's based on the it's like the same 659 00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:15,720 basically the same board as what we've been running on our test benches for the last you know year and a half speaking 660 00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:23,599 of things you can do with this though are you going to go back to X Gamers one 661 00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:25,760 CPU um not with Threadripper probably 662 00:48:23,599 --> 00:48:30,200 okay uh but if we can get something going with Epic 663 00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:35,599 okay I would love to do something very interesting with epic and you could even 664 00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:38,440 be like genuinely won this time actually 665 00:48:35,599 --> 00:48:44,920 yeah yeah yeah we could because a lot of people roasted lonus cuz it had two CPUs 666 00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:46,839 in it it was supposed to be a play on 667 00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:52,040 two girls one cup I know what it was supposed to be but I'm saying either way 668 00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:55,119 I'm I don't really mind it that much I thought the joke was funny I I thought 669 00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:58,599 the joke was funny everything's cool I'm just saying you could actually do it 670 00:48:56,880 --> 00:49:01,839 time he is kind of a suck up isn't he John was right no get out of here I 671 00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:06,480 don't even care I don't want you here anymore I'm hosting a show by myself I'm 672 00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:11,599 still in the frame I could just talk louder for days 673 00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:17,160 ow all right next topic sky like X mess explored I guess 674 00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:23,200 it's my my my turn to throw it throw it Intel oh jeez it's kind of a rough day 675 00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:25,599 hey so far Skylake X has been plagued by 676 00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:29,559 two main issues at its stock settings it can barely be cool 677 00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:33,799 uh oh your thing's in the way oh no sorry during normal operation this is 678 00:49:32,359 --> 00:49:39,319 due to its power consumption being extremely high in some situations we 679 00:49:35,799 --> 00:49:41,640 also found that the 680 00:49:39,319 --> 00:49:45,640 uh there's a huge cooling issue with the board but I don't VM vrm yeah the vrms 681 00:49:44,119 --> 00:49:50,680 had a huge cooling issue that was a couple weeks ago um there's barely any 682 00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:55,200 room for enthusiasts to overclock also many motherboards limit Skylake X CPUs 683 00:49:53,240 --> 00:50:02,720 further due to poor design choices like I just mentioned such as sufficient vrm 684 00:49:57,720 --> 00:50:05,160 cooling so this may be this may be the 685 00:50:02,720 --> 00:50:11,440 dawn of the motherboard um full cover block oh hey 686 00:50:09,079 --> 00:50:16,480 so that's like that's been a thing yeah but it's never really made sense because 687 00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:21,920 so going back um going back to like the early 2000s it was pretty common place 688 00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:27,960 for motherboards to have little whiny annoying fans on them and then right 689 00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:32,640 around the time of like I guess uh 690 00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:35,760 enforce enforce 3 or enforce 4 what what 691 00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:38,720 was the a8n 32 SLI 692 00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:41,480 Deluxe slide Deluxe I can't remember what chipset that was I want to say 693 00:50:40,119 --> 00:50:48,040 enforce 4 okay so that's an a832 SLI Deluxe 694 00:50:45,799 --> 00:50:54,880 terrible image but you get the point so we did away with noisy um Northbridge 695 00:50:52,559 --> 00:50:58,160 and especially Southbridge coolers cuz they have to keep it low profile uh 696 00:50:56,720 --> 00:51:03,079 because you can install cards here right this SLI existed at the time um and we 697 00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:07,400 did away with that and we moved towards this heat pipes that lie flat on the 698 00:51:05,240 --> 00:51:13,480 board and carry all the heat up around the CPU socket area with the assumption 699 00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:15,559 that either you're going to have an air 700 00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:20,079 cooler sitting on your CPU that's going to generate enough passive air flow to 701 00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:25,119 deal with the vrms here and here as well as the heat from the South Bridge and 702 00:51:21,359 --> 00:51:28,319 the North Bridge which end up here so 703 00:51:25,119 --> 00:51:31,799 that Paradigm has us pretty much until 704 00:51:28,319 --> 00:51:34,640 now we might be returning to active 705 00:51:31,799 --> 00:51:39,559 cooling on vrms if there's no other way to deal with this and honestly what this 706 00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:45,920 kind of looks like to me is like Intel has said that like hey that we have a 707 00:51:42,079 --> 00:51:47,319 plan for the roll out of core I9 so 708 00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:52,839 we're going to do this here this here and it has to do with CPU yields it has to do with that honestly I wonder if 709 00:51:51,079 --> 00:51:56,359 part of it has to do with that they just like actually on the engineering side 710 00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:59,880 have no idea how they're going to launch this and they're just trying to buy some time 711 00:51:58,559 --> 00:52:05,480 I could see it I this will be interesting because this going to be pretty much the first time ever that I 712 00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:10,160 will see a motherboard full cover block and be like yeah good call that makes 713 00:52:07,720 --> 00:52:14,760 sense yeah yeah cuz in the past it's looked really cool but it's been like 714 00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:18,400 okay that's an excessively expensive PC probably because of a showcase and it 715 00:52:16,720 --> 00:52:21,680 probably makes no sense in terms of actually anyone ever doing this but it 716 00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:27,200 looks cool for whatever brand wanted to show it off like sure why not but this 717 00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:30,720 that'll be pretty cool it'll be interesting having people like actually 718 00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:36,240 ask questions about full cover blocks I know right um all right what else we've got 719 00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:41,559 for topic I just have to I just have to pause the show for a second uh Timmy 720 00:52:38,799 --> 00:52:45,400 val1 123 in the twitch chat just said an all capital letters I just wanted to 721 00:52:43,240 --> 00:52:50,119 make sure that I re-echo this I have a boyfriend and I just wanted to make sure 722 00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:54,680 it's apparently extremely important that you have one no or that Timmy does that 723 00:52:52,079 --> 00:52:59,839 Timmy does hey you know what Timmy congrats okay good job all right 724 00:52:56,799 --> 00:53:03,599 Facebook plans to unveil a 725 00:52:59,839 --> 00:53:07,119 $200 now we've heard that before yeah 726 00:53:03,599 --> 00:53:09,200 yeah Wireless that's new Oculus VR 727 00:53:07,119 --> 00:53:13,880 headset in 2018 the whole twitch chat is like 728 00:53:11,359 --> 00:53:19,680 congrats timy oh man um yeah I mean that's cool 729 00:53:17,720 --> 00:53:24,359 uh code name Pacific if anyone's looking to buy an Oculus Rift it's designed and 730 00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:31,440 this is going to terrify you to bridge the gap between cheap smartphone mounted 731 00:53:26,799 --> 00:53:34,040 VR headsets and high-end gaming 732 00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:39,640 ones oh it does not need to be Tethered to a 733 00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:44,240 PC or a phone it will ship next year and represent an entirely new category the 734 00:53:42,319 --> 00:53:47,440 device hold on just hold it in for now the device resembles a more compact 735 00:53:46,079 --> 00:53:51,079 version of the rift and will be lighter than Samsung's gear VR headset the idea 736 00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:56,480 is that someone will be able to pull the headset out of their bag and watch movies on a flight just the way you can 737 00:53:53,640 --> 00:54:00,760 now with a phone or tablet watch movies hold it hold it in the new headset will 738 00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:04,400 have a similar interface to gear VR and can be controlled via wireless remote 739 00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:08,839 they plan to power the product with a Snapdragon mobile chip from qualcom and 740 00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:12,559 its gaming power will be superior to that of the gear VR but unlike the 741 00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:18,079 powerful Rift device and it will not include positional tracking 742 00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:22,000 technology they plan to begin briefing content makers on the device by 743 00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:25,319 October and it will have a download store oh the download store will be 744 00:54:23,839 --> 00:54:28,359 Rewritten and accessible from a virtual reality interface 745 00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:31,440 um 746 00:54:31,839 --> 00:54:35,720 and go so they gave 747 00:54:37,559 --> 00:54:43,480 up like is is that it is that all that I 748 00:54:41,319 --> 00:54:48,000 have to say Oculus just gave up they're just like yeah screw it vr's done we're 749 00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:51,440 out of here uh we have lots of Facebook money that's fine no one's buying 750 00:54:49,559 --> 00:54:54,760 headsets cuz they're overpriced and not very good right now so we're just going 751 00:54:52,720 --> 00:54:58,440 to stop developing those and we'll just make a phone that's built into the 752 00:54:56,400 --> 00:55:01,839 headsets you can't take the phone out and uh there you go you could just buy 753 00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:05,760 this one that you can just slip this device that you literally always effing 754 00:55:03,799 --> 00:55:09,160 carry on you in the front of it and it'll just work and that would be 755 00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:12,720 totally fine and it doesn't cost that much but no it's going to be ever so 756 00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:18,160 slightly faster and you can watch movies on the plane wow cuz you can't already 757 00:55:16,119 --> 00:55:22,160 do that on your phone or like the screen that's built into the freaking chair in 758 00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:26,319 front of you it's going to suck word that I'm not going to say in 759 00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:31,760 terms of performance and that's a huge huge issue right now VR applications for 760 00:55:28,720 --> 00:55:33,920 desktop your desktop computer is usually 761 00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:37,920 not fast enough to run really really high fidelity really really high quality 762 00:55:36,119 --> 00:55:42,200 games it's a little bit of an issue it's a little bit hard to do it's possible 763 00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:46,280 but it's difficult and then the headsets that you have right now for desktop 764 00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:49,920 tethered like the Vive and the current Rift don't have good enough screens 765 00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:55,000 don't have good enough a lot of other kind of stuff to be at the minimum quality that consumers expect and 766 00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:58,400 they're way too freaking expensive so you release a dedicated 200 $100 device 767 00:55:57,319 --> 00:56:03,160 which no one's going to really want to buy because they can just slip their thing into a Daydream or whatever which 768 00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:07,520 should be a lot cheaper and probably will be now that this launches not to 769 00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:12,079 mention that stuff like this already has existed I literally carried I was 770 00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:19,559 literally the product manager for viix back at ncx Sony has one yeah like Sony 771 00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:24,119 professionally has a movie viewer designed for are you ready to chill out 772 00:56:21,720 --> 00:56:27,760 a little bit cuz I withheld one key piece of information from you oh God I'm 773 00:56:25,839 --> 00:56:31,640 like very angry and disappointed but Facebook has also said it's working on a 774 00:56:29,559 --> 00:56:36,319 prototype device named Santa Cruz that is basically a wireless Rift with the 775 00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:40,760 full power of the original device sans's PC actually that's not going to make you 776 00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:45,799 any less mad probably sans's PC but without a 777 00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:47,119 PC wait what okay sorry I I thought they 778 00:56:45,799 --> 00:56:52,599 were just talking about Wireless Rift I didn't read the last two words okay I don't understand how that makes any 779 00:56:49,559 --> 00:56:54,280 sense either so basically so you need a 780 00:56:52,599 --> 00:56:58,400 backpack or something so basically it's it's a porn device now yes 781 00:56:56,760 --> 00:57:02,760 and you can watch porn on a plane they gave up like I've I've mentioned on like 782 00:57:01,039 --> 00:57:07,799 two Wan shows recently I've gotten some Flack for it but it is a thing um it's 783 00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:12,920 not all of the posts but there's a notably increased amount compared to 784 00:57:11,079 --> 00:57:18,160 quite a few months back if you go to like the Oculus subreddit of posts that 785 00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:22,680 are just about porn and you know what you want to look at porn on your device 786 00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:26,920 go for it I don't care I don't give a crap at all but what these things are 787 00:57:25,359 --> 00:57:31,160 really supposed to be doing in the long run is like really really interesting 788 00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:37,200 entertainment mediums not watching movies on a plane I'm talking about like 789 00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:39,880 virtual things look hold on picture this 790 00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:45,079 oh God virtual big screen just killed him a little bit 791 00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:47,599 inside I think every time hold on get 792 00:57:45,079 --> 00:57:54,520 this simulated theater experience this is so bad it is so bad I don't 793 00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:58,839 understand it's so bad but there's such interesting 794 00:57:57,200 --> 00:58:04,480 experiences that you can do and such interesting experiences that you can have if you come to LTX I'll try to show 795 00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:09,760 you some of them there's specific uh uh servos is a specific VR game development 796 00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:13,640 company that is making very good and very interesting things uh raw data and 797 00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:18,760 I don't remember the name of their new one but it's a running one and it's racing and it's actually really cool you 798 00:58:17,079 --> 00:58:23,119 race against each other and you can like you have to run around but it's kind of 799 00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:27,640 like skis I finally got Arizona Sunshine Arizona Sunshine's pretty cool um 800 00:58:25,359 --> 00:58:30,400 there's a robo recall is like amazing like there's really really good 801 00:58:28,839 --> 00:58:36,000 experiences that you can have but the device was supposed to be a different price than it was by a lot because 802 00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:41,160 there's a huge cost in the computer already and it's way too expensive 803 00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:46,960 pissed off this was really fun okay why don't we talk about something a little 804 00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:49,400 lighter well it's a little heavy the KFC 805 00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:52,559 phone it's the only thing about KFC that could be light at all this might make 806 00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:57,599 more sense than that stupid thing that huawei's special edition KFC smartphone 807 00:58:55,280 --> 00:59:03,599 for China someone someone sorry someone in the chat just said man cares too much 808 00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:06,720 I do I really want VR to work and I just 809 00:59:03,599 --> 00:59:08,039 I feel I I feel like they're just doing 810 00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:13,440 like clearly the wrong things they'll make it work it's just going to be like 811 00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:16,000 kind of lame mainstream VR for like a 812 00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:20,720 long time a long time and like that Gap I was talking to was it Rubio Jeff Rubio 813 00:59:19,039 --> 00:59:25,880 I could have the name wrong but the guy from Naughty Dog that now works for 814 00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:26,839 Oculus um and he he gave a timeline and 815 00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:31,520 I was like you know what that makes sense and I think it was something about something around 3 years from when I had 816 00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:35,880 that meeting and you can line up that meeting because that lined up with uh a 817 00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:40,680 Counter-Strike tournament where I made a video about watching the Counter-Strike 818 00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:47,039 tournament with the Vive right um I don't think that's going to happen 819 00:59:44,119 --> 00:59:52,280 anymore so another news um it's to celebrate KFC's 30th Anniversary within 820 00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:56,760 the country of China okay the KFC edition of the Huawei enjoy 7 plus was 821 00:59:54,960 --> 01:00:01,039 unveiled by the restaurant chain via its official weebo page in addition to a 822 00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:04,920 snazzy red finish and a picture of the colel on the back of the device the 823 01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:09,680 smartphone comes pre-loaded with the K music app which allows you to play music 824 01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:13,760 over the speaker system installed in KFC restaurants what which definitely 825 01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:18,480 wouldn't get annoying really really really fast for everybody else and won't 826 01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:24,119 be eliminated entirely almost immediately only 5,000 of SM will be 827 01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:29,839 produced preapproved music that you can put through it I guess so and there 828 01:00:26,079 --> 01:00:31,359 other weird KFC things so um oh no never 829 01:00:29,839 --> 01:00:34,920 mind these are just other weird KFC things um they had a takeout box that 830 01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:39,680 apparently doubled as a smartphone charger and a facial recognition scanner 831 01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:44,799 in conjunction with search giant BYU B whatever to help offer meal suggestions 832 01:00:42,359 --> 01:00:48,760 oh boy like basic I guess it just looks for how many chins you have and decides 833 01:00:46,839 --> 01:00:53,599 how many pieces of chicken you need like is that how that would 834 01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:59,599 work I wonder how difficult it would be to do get like machine learning to like 835 01:00:56,720 --> 01:01:03,520 analyze faces that would actually be fascinating if you could how accurate it 836 01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:08,599 would be if you could try and figure out would be very because KFC unlike 837 01:01:06,039 --> 01:01:12,760 somewhere okay so let's take A&W actually A&W in the states is very 838 01:01:10,559 --> 01:01:17,760 different from up here so this none of this might make any sense um but let's 839 01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:19,760 take A&W you can be like a MOAB Burger 840 01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:24,160 person or you can be a teen Burger person and there would be nothing you 841 01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:27,920 could know or like a chubby chicken burger these are all sort of equ 842 01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:35,280 but they taste different um whereas at 843 01:01:31,799 --> 01:01:36,680 KFC there's chicken and there's less 844 01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:40,359 chicken and there's more chicken it's like a bucket of chicken there's like a 845 01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:44,680 little tiny box of chicken or a small box of bucket of chicken like or a 846 01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:50,240 trough of chicken like it's it's all about chicken I would be curious to know 847 01:01:48,119 --> 01:01:57,960 if you could just entered like a picture of yourself and like of your house and 848 01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:59,559 of your and enter your BMI if it could 849 01:01:57,960 --> 01:02:07,799 tell you what you were planning to order at KFC that would be a very interesting 850 01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:09,240 study um just in like in like how humans 851 01:02:07,799 --> 01:02:15,480 do thing and like psychology and it would just be a very very interesting 852 01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:15,480 study I would read 853 01:02:16,319 --> 01:02:21,720 it okay H the OnePlus 5 display is 854 01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:27,240 upside down so this was posted by nerd Slayer on the Forum 855 01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:28,640 oops confirmed the jelly scrolling 856 01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:33,160 effect which honestly I didn't even notice it is amazing the kinds of things 857 01:02:30,799 --> 01:02:39,000 like like well it's it's stupid because like I'll be able to tell the difference 858 01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:41,440 between like 72 and 60 HZ on a display 859 01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:46,680 yeah if I'm playing a game or something and people be like who cares whereas 860 01:02:43,799 --> 01:02:50,160 like I look at like a phone and I'm like there's a slight kind of rebounding 861 01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:54,079 effect when you scroll and they're calling it the uh the jelly jelly 862 01:02:51,960 --> 01:03:01,160 scrolling effect or something like that and apparently it is C caused by 863 01:02:58,279 --> 01:03:05,920 OnePlus moving the motherboard and hence flipping the display panel in order to 864 01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:13,119 accommodate their new dual lens camera module so they consciously rearrange the 865 01:03:09,559 --> 01:03:15,279 internals and then are using a a 866 01:03:13,119 --> 01:03:19,839 normally only used for Diagnostics but they actually used this so they used a 867 01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:26,520 field that you can that exists in Android where you can flip the display 868 01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:27,799 180 degrees yeah um 869 01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:33,160 in order to account for this rearrangement that's 870 01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:39,559 so weird and so what users did was they manually changed other devices to be 871 01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:41,160 upside down and the jelly scrolling 872 01:03:39,559 --> 01:03:46,279 effect appeared on them now what I'd like to know because obviously if you 873 01:03:44,079 --> 01:03:49,279 hold a display like this that doesn't have an upside down display installation 874 01:03:48,119 --> 01:03:53,279 and go like this or you hold it like this and go like this it doesn't matter 875 01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:57,480 so what I want to know is if this is just a matter of a simple optimization 876 01:03:55,920 --> 01:04:03,400 that could be done in software it feels like it would be 877 01:03:59,559 --> 01:04:06,079 um so we'll we'll see we'll 878 01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:11,039 see uh the Google pixel 2 design was leaked this was posted by Mr Chow 1991 879 01:04:08,799 --> 01:04:16,319 0319 on the Forum and the original article here is from Android police 880 01:04:13,799 --> 01:04:21,000 apparently it will be made by LG this time rather than 881 01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:26,440 HTC um and this is apparently the pixel XL with a low bezel AMOLED display and a 882 01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:32,880 squeezable frame HTC won't be the only one with a 883 01:04:29,039 --> 01:04:34,799 squeezable frame neat I um guess that's 884 01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:38,960 cool it's one of those things that like I've never really asked for why do you 885 01:04:37,079 --> 01:04:44,599 what what what's the benefit you can have it do stuff okay 886 01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:48,920 yeah um 6-in AMOLED display with round corners glass window on the back is 887 01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:53,279 smaller this time fingerprint reader no longer inside of it but below it no 888 01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:56,039 visible antenna bands it's believed it will have a squeezable frame okay so 889 01:04:54,640 --> 01:05:00,359 that's pretty much all we know none of that sounds super important to me um 890 01:04:58,839 --> 01:05:03,079 there's things that I care a lot more about on the pixel 2 than any of that 891 01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:09,160 information so I think we'll have to wait Logitech is on a roll here with 892 01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:12,920 Acquisitions this was posted by dasin on the Forum the original article here is 893 01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:17,359 from CNET apparently or I could just use the uh press release that they sent me 894 01:05:15,319 --> 01:05:22,240 autoplay no bo so there there there won't be like a gaming headset industry 895 01:05:20,359 --> 01:05:27,640 eventually cuz it'll just be Logitech heads Raz and Razer that's fair who else 896 01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:27,640 exist 897 01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:35,559 Turtle Beach is sort of still kicking around like on the console side I think 898 01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:39,599 okay I don't understand quite how but I didn't understand why Astro had a right 899 01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:44,520 to exist either I mean to be clear apparently the A40 is great um the only 900 01:05:42,599 --> 01:05:47,920 one I ever reviewed was the A50 and it was terrible i' I've never had a good 901 01:05:46,799 --> 01:05:52,559 experience with them it was an abominable value and that was compared 902 01:05:50,359 --> 01:05:57,359 to wireless headphones that or headsets that existed back then and to my 903 01:05:55,799 --> 01:06:04,240 knowledge I I don't think they've updated it so they bought Ultimate Ears 904 01:06:01,039 --> 01:06:06,160 they bought jbird they Acquired scitec 905 01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:10,359 and they've been doing great things I I haven't seen what they've done with scitec yet have they released anything I 906 01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:16,599 don't know if they've done much with scitec um but basically Logitech kind of 907 01:06:14,079 --> 01:06:22,440 went well we're an engineering company we're just going to embrace that 908 01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:24,559 and screw it we're just going to buy 909 01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:28,000 Brands it's been working so far the Ultimate Ears one espe 910 01:06:26,680 --> 01:06:32,440 I'm interested to see what they do with scitech cuz I love that kind of stuff 911 01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:39,279 but yeah yeah meanwhile Razer is running around buying THX and phone maker next 912 01:06:36,559 --> 01:06:44,359 bit so apparently the deal will close in early August and uh yeah basically I I 913 01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:51,920 didn't even read any of Logitech statements about it because this is fairly transparent yeah Logitech 914 01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:54,240 couldn't figure out why the hell anyone 915 01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:59,799 was using Astro gaming headsets which is valid so they went okay well I don't 916 01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:06,760 want to deal with this anymore and bought them which is valid 917 01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:10,880 yeah so some of the Astro gaming branding especially from way back in the 918 01:07:08,440 --> 01:07:15,279 day was really sick like I remember they had at packs they were giving away an 919 01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:19,760 astro gaming shirt and it was like by far the coolest one at the event and 920 01:07:17,640 --> 01:07:24,039 like they had a really cool booth and they partnered with really cool people 921 01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:28,559 so I could understand how if like you're just woful ignorant in terms of headsets 922 01:07:27,079 --> 01:07:31,319 and you're like I went to this cool event and they had cool stuff I'm going 923 01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:35,839 to tell my friends and we're all going to buy them you know what I mean 924 01:07:33,559 --> 01:07:40,440 especially before like reviews on that kind of stuff was a big thing and easily 925 01:07:38,599 --> 01:07:45,039 accessible lately though I don't know how they're still 926 01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:48,760 around I don't know man apparently this 927 01:07:45,039 --> 01:07:50,680 is great so uh apparently Logitech is 928 01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:57,279 taking in and if if it ain't broke don't fix it approach 929 01:07:53,520 --> 01:08:01,000 here and the as and Logitech G Brands 930 01:07:57,279 --> 01:08:03,160 will keep separate teams and 931 01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:07,039 um basically they're saying we don't just want to jam a new product down your 932 01:08:04,520 --> 01:08:11,640 throats every year just because we can so that's the nice way of saying if you 933 01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:17,040 guys like this trash then we'll just keep making it for you I guess as far as 934 01:08:14,319 --> 01:08:23,159 I can tell wow cuz there's no doubt that logitech's engineering knows a lot more 935 01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:25,199 about engineering than Astro's 936 01:08:23,159 --> 01:08:28,759 engineering Astro might be able to help them make make it so the headsets don't 937 01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:33,000 fall off people's heads okay that's fair that would be good that's fair want a 938 01:08:30,400 --> 01:08:38,080 little update there yeah that's fair but then Logitech also could have just like 939 01:08:35,080 --> 01:08:39,839 gone and bought a hyperx cloud and 940 01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:44,359 disassembled it if they wanted to understand how that works 941 01:08:41,480 --> 01:08:48,199 yeah all right so on that note thank you for watching The W show we will see you 942 01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:51,880 guys again next week same bat Time same bat channel do you want to do a short 943 01:08:49,679 --> 01:08:56,560 Afterparty stream we can sure let's do it yeah bye 944 01:09:08,279 --> 01:09:16,960 people are calling me lonus lame tips wow why I have never been called 945 01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:20,480 something that offensive in my life look at this how do they do this like how do 946 01:09:18,759 --> 01:09:24,359 you screw this up it's unbelievable the easiest thing 947 01:09:22,759 --> 01:09:29,400 in the world would be to use the same file this one's see this one's right 948 01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:33,759 sort of except the faces why did they change I don't know