The WAN Show: Minecraft makes you a killer, Android cheating & GUEST Elric Phares - Oct 5, 2013
Linus Tech Tips
·Linus Tech Tips
·2014-05-07
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welcome to the W show everyone we've got a fantastic show for you here today in
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fact I was I was a little bit surprised because when we were going through the
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topics for this week a couple days ago I was like oh it's not a ton really yeah
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well compared to last week when we had all the things to discuss that was that
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was just like crazy as all balls uh but this week is turning out to look
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actually pretty darn good our special guest today is elrick from Tech of
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Tomorrow formerly from motherboards.org maybe we can poke him a little bit and
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see if we can get him to actually you know what let's not let's not dig up the
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past let's not dig up the past but we've got elri joining us today for our guest
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segment and I'd love to do a preview of the topics we've got today so number one
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guys is lock up your daughters and sons
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and um Badgers because Minecraft will
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turn your kids into gunslinging knife
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toting violent violent people people I
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can't believe this got out Minecraft with GTA 5 like I
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know like the timing is hilarious the timing is fantastic more on that later
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guys cheating in Android benchmarks is definitely a thing so we are going to
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discuss the state of the Android ecosystem and what cheating means to
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Consumers and manufacturers and why it
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gets done when they get caught every
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time this is the same we've seen on the PC platform seen it on the PC we'll see
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it again on smart watches quote me on
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that that's it's true what else we got uh we've got control delete was a
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mistake admitted by Bill Gates kind of an interesting little conversation that
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happened there and steam machine specs unveiled by xi3 and valve and the the
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valve steam machine specs that were unveiled were the Prototype ones that are going in kind of all over the place
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so and yeah all over the place all right so why don't we kick things off
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with the intro
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lehs share so let's move into our first
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news item of the week which is actually a pretty minor a pretty minor item it's
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just more of a funny thing yeah it's so
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Bill Gates admits this was posted on the Forum by snow Comet Bill Gates admits
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control alt delete was a mistake and blames
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IBM so first of all control alt delete
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as far as key combinations Go I mean that's kind of like saying alt f4 was a
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mistake except that it's not because control alt delete in in Microsoft's
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mind should have been one button yeah and at the time the functionality was to
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restart your computer uh it's evolved over time and we still have it today and
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then the other functionality of course at the time was to prove that you were a
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human being sitting in front of a computer now from a security standpoint
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that's not a very good proof was it was it ever effective
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though uh I I can't see a way that it
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could have been but maybe someone better than me knows a way that it could have
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been because I from my standpoint you can just you can just mimic those key
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presses like it's not a big deal so control delete if they'd had their way
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would been a single button which would have saved us how many billions of
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keystrokes over the last few years um
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basically the original article was from The Verge so you can go ahead and check
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it out over there but pretty much he was giving a talk and everyone kind of had a
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good laugh about it the IBM keyboard designer just kind of refused to refused
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to implement it which which honestly in my opinion I have no real problem with
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like it's it's the least big deal ever
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yeah we just thought that was kind of funny so we're not going to spend too much time on it let's go ahead and move
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into our next topic it's I don't know it's just I I think the thing about it
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that sticks out most to me is how these Legacy things just keep carrying forward
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and carrying forward to the point where control delete has very different
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functionality today and you have to basically be in the BIOS or in like a
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pre- Windows environment for it to even reboot your computer but what you can do
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is you can bring up the task manager you can lock the computer and there's um and
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some places still use it to authenticate
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that it is an actual user sitting in front of the PC uh server login you
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still have to control delete server logins um one thing I think is
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interesting though is is like if if that didn't happen if the mistake quote
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unquote didn't happen how many like key things like there's so many people I
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know that can do it without looking without having hands on the keyboard and
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just go boom and just hit it and like they there was that thing before where
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someone made a fake little keyboard that was just control delete and they were
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like this is all you need to use Windows like all that stuff the like the like
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cult following that control delete has to be completely honest like well if
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they had one key if there was like the uh would it have been the same though if
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there was like the O balls key or something like that that might that
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might have been all right probably yeah but uh but yeah yeah we love it uh let's
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go ahead and move into our next topic this is actually one that is um that
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hits pretty close to home for me because here in here in Canada we have um oh no
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I actually was okay let's talk about a couple different things that are going
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on with smartphones in the EU so this isn't exactly new but I just I just want
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to talk about this because it's something that I personally feel quite
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strongly about and that is that the EU this was on BBC plans to end mobile
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phone roaming charges so this would be implemented by
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2016 and in 2014 it would be eliminating
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roaming charges for incoming calls and as someone who lives in Canada we don't
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have the greatest mobile phone rates we
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also don't have the worst ones I mean I
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pay about $100 a month for my business plan that includes 5 gigs of data
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basically unlimited calling for all intents and purposes it includes us
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calling when I'm at home which is great because you'd be amazed how many people
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just don't want to bother with Skype and want to talk on the phone and most of
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the people we work with are in the US so I would be paying a fortune in long
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distance if I didn't have that kind of a plan and
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it's really not that bad it's 100 bucks
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a month but the thing that kills you so I was over in Hawaii for about eight
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days $6 a Meg yeah is the roaming charge
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I think it's something like 75 cents a text and to me the uh this is this is
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this is basically like to me the only excuse for this kind of behavior and
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these kinds of charges is like you know the back room
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of you know a lady Club where there's
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like fat dudes with cigars sitting around going like you know like placing
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bets on the table for how much they think that people would be willing to
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pay in roaming charges and I mean even roaming plans where it's like yeah $50
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gets you you know a a 100th of what you
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normally have access to with your regular plan while you're on the go
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there's no reason that it has to be done
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and I really applaud the EU for being progressively thinking when it comes to
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these infrastructure items that that I think unify people and I think they make
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they make travel and they make the the global economy more more of a thing
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where travel can become less expensive um in in every way whether it's whether
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it's planes or trains or hyper Loops or you know okay so Elon Musk isn't
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building the hyperloop but I uh anyway I
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I really I really admire that I think it's fantastic there's interesting stuff
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too because you'd automatically think when you go roaming somewhere that you should pre- purchase the roaming plan
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because it'll save you all the danger one of my friends when we went down to Pax pre- purchased the roaming plan it
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was $40 yeah I didn't took all the hits
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and was still totally fine and under $40 it was still really expensive and stupid
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so it's just like would you like to bend over the couch or would you like to bend
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over the bed it's totally up to you as long as you bend over and take it from
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your Telco um now there are challenges associated with this because you're
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asking for Telos to cooperate uh in the EU it's going to require uh Wireless
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providers to have I think it yeah the proposals must be approved by the 28 EU
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members and they also have to have permission to to operate and and conduct
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business so to speak in all those countries I think there's going to be a lot of consolidation in the market where
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the the the large players in the larger markets whether it's Germany or uh the
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UK are going to have a huge leg up on
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the smaller providers in the smaller EU countries and I think it's going to put
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a lot of people out of business and there are problems with all of this but
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uh I think that it has to happen at some point and I would love it if even Canada
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and us got together and cooperated I'm
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surprised it hasn't happened yet well of course it hasn't happened because
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whether it's Verizon or Bell or Rogers or AT&T they all love damn roaming
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charges that's true they all but but with everything else that Canada and US
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does together I'm actually going surprised that's not one of them well
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it's it's one of those things where it takes a government mandate to make Telos
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cooperate with each other have you seen well cooperate with each other above
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board right right so have you seen all that stuff lately the Canadian
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government attacking wireless companies uh their web page whatnot what not I
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didn't bother put that in the thing because we've talked too much we've talked a lot enough about that but like
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it's it's yeah they're kind of mad which good yeah that's good that's good I'm
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glad we need more government regulation on the Telecommunications guys because
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it is getting ridiculous So speaking of
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government regulations and sometimes them getting involved in things that
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they don't fully understand uh this one
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is new it was posted by Bam Bam LLY on the Forum the EU wants every smartphone
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and tablet to charge by micro USB so the
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original article was on the verge as posted by our our for member who is
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helpfully putting in his sources and I
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agree with the idea that every
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smartphone should use a universal standard but what I disagree with is
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that the that micro USB should be it so
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um let's get into it shall we I'm just just go I'm just up okay I'm
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gonna start this by saying I've been called out a little bit over the last
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week or so because I did tweet about this a little bit where people are
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saying okay well Linus's quotes about how fragile micro USB is are from some
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company that didn't have it validated by a third party and Etc so let's set aside
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the quotes for now guys hit us on
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Twitter simple yes no have you ever had
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a micro USB connection fail I want that
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to be the first answer and then yes no have you ever had a full-size USB or a
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mini B connection fail so your your post
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should read uh no no if you've never had anything fail yes no if you've had this
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one and not this one and yes yes if you've had both of them fail guys hit us
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on Twitter we're going to go through your thoughts but my problem is I have
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personally had micro USB fail and not okay it's valid not I'll let you talk in
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a minute it's validated for a thousand plugs or something like that the problem
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I have is how fragile physically the
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connector is can be validated for whatever you want but in the real world
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we don't carefully plug it in and unplug it we don't even plug it in quickly
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straight and unplug it straight we run into situations where our phones are
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dead we really need a charge we're on the go we take a portable battery Bank
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we plug it into it we Jam the whole thing in our pocket that is the real
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world especially in this day and age of
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cell phones that don't last for a week on battery like they did when I first
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got a cell phone we've moved so far backwards to the point where when I'm
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heavily using my HTC1 I might have to charge it a couple times in a day
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talking really heavy use I burned through 20% of my battery in about 15
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minutes today when I had tethering on and I was using it for navigation and
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this the the screen was on they go fast so micro USB is fragile even if it is
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reliable or whatever other term you want to use for it lasting a long time
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so with all of that said I don't have an
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alternative connector I like better I I actually well okay I don't think Min USB
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BB was that bad if you actually
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objectively look at them and compare them they are not that different the
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only real difference on a modern cell phone implementation even on something
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like the HTC1 would be that you'd get less of less less of a of of a sort of
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support around it which I find that that connector doesn't need as much with that
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said the internals of the connector are
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bulkier but they could have moved it closer to the center and that could have
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still worked so okay maybe maybe Mini isn't the answer but I would rather they
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develop a more rugged standard as opposed to just making the making us
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standardize on this fragile connector to
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play against your question that you're putting on Twitter a USB like standard
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USB is obviously a lot better and could
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never be put on a phone and that's ridiculous so that doesn't matter phone
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blocks my magical phone could have like an interface
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module that would be awesome if you could be
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like no this is my power connector um I
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want to use an AC wall outlet bulkiness
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of the phone be damned it's going to be this thick and it's going to run on AC
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power okay like standard computer yeah anyways um and then mini B like no one
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ever uses so your metric there standard
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micro USB is going to have a whole bunch of people that use it every camera a
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whole bunch of people using it for different devices every
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camera tiny much smaller well it's dead
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now but it used to be much more popular main
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onas yes which were the portable Electronics of the time and not nearly
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as many people had a freaking camera as
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they have smartphones so the metrics do not line up so your one side is has way
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more population than your other side and it's not a Fair competition okay fine
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and you know what I'm going to Devil's Advocate myself a little bit here
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because I did run into a situation this
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very week twice where I found myself
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wishing that my Pebble which is Awesome by the way doesn't have Micro USB I lost
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the magnetic connector which is awesome I love magnetic Chargers I lost it twice
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once when I wanted to shoot the original unboxing I had left it at home and I was
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like oh balls because I could have run around anywhere in the in the studio
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here and grabbed a micro USB cable chucked it in the box and pretended that
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was the one it came with and it would have saved me a lot of time but I
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couldn't cuz it uses a proprietary cable and then again when Brandon needed to
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shoot the B- roll for it but then but then in your defense you're not against
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the unification of the cable it's you're against micro USB so that's not actually
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we could have like a magnetic USB standard cable yeah so that's not really
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like that's not really a point to G bring it on because there will be teething pains in any transition I mean
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micro USBs remember when we never used to have enough of those yeah um there
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will be teething pains but if we could have a standard that that just Falls
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away when you trip on it like a magnetic connector that would be amazing
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amazing all right so let's go ahead and see what kind of results we got on that
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there Twitter Blitz I don't know how many people have followed the instructions because a lot of people are
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just like oh they're doing a Twitter Blitz I'll use this as an opportunity to say something completely unrelated oh
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working pretty well so there we go people hey people are people are doing it so we've got wow this browser is
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being a big giant pile of poo it is
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lagging out so hard all right so yes no
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uh no no wow yeah I can't I can't even do this so so far of the people who
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haven't had like nothing die on them we have three for micro and one for mini we
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have another no for both we have Twitter
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being or not Twitter but Chrome being a big pile of junk all right another one
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for micro another one for micro no for both micro but not mini no for both yes
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to both no micro but yes mini yes to
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micro no to mini yes to micro no to Mini
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so okay let's say let's say yeah and
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it's it's lagging out again this is this is ridiculous we're going to have to switch browsers we'll find some time to
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do that in a moment but mostly you guys
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are saying that micro USB breaks on you more often but again as Luke was saying
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yeah it's skewed because there's a much larger much larger install base for
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micro that being said I've used a lot of both and I've only had micro USB fail on
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me like I I'm just for me the problem isn't the cable so much as the
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receptacle yeah and on something like a phone where
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we're talking a $600 plus piece of electronics where it has this one
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failure point where if it if you if you bump it once it's completely dead and
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there's no repairing it yeah and and like every once in a while you'll find
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that device that comes with a cable and that device and that cable like click
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together and it feels really good and you're like oh that's going to be solid forever and it is and then you go to
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plug in like a random USB or even the one that comes with your phone I found
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sometimes and you plug it in and you can like move the whole phone like
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oscillating around where the actual plug is in is like that's not going to work
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for very long it's like oh come
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on like I don't know you can see it coming a lot of the time and then then
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like you said putting in your pocket kills it a lot of time too all right so let's do one more major topic before we
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bring our guest on apparently you didn't even get back to them about having not
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done the test call do you do you have them added on uh I thought I sent on
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voice chat okay if you have to go for a couple minutes and I'll handle this
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topic on my own and make sure you just kind of get that figured out I just replied to the email so here we go guys
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parents actually you know what I'll save that one I'll save that one to talk
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about with you all right this was a post on the Forum a long time ago and Kind of
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a Funny Story here was um Slick's been
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using the priority inbox in Gmail um
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basically since lonus Media Group was formed and only realized this week that
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I don't know what would you say about half of the emails you get from me have
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not been being flagged as priority at least at least 25% okay so let's say at
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least a quarter of them so guys priority inbox if you don't already know I really
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don't recommend using it I found it makes a lot of things escape from you
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um so oh okay you weren't cced I guess so that's a bit of a problem so
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basically with this article was actually posted on the lineus tech chips Forum by
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queak back in June and it was something that I emailed I was like hey we should
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uh we should talk about this on the WAN Show so load line calibration or vrou um
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sort of vrou compensation is something that many motherboard manufacturers have
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implemented in order to potentially stabilize overclocks however it's one of
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those things where the motherboard manufacturers put it on there extreme
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overclockers do tend to use the setting from time to time but if you ask most of
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the motherboard guys or you ask in they'll say well you know what it's part
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of the Intel spec so we'd really recommend that you leave it on and what
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happens is when your CPU goes under load
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the motherboard actually drops the amount of voltage it's delivering to the
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CPU this does a couple of things it reduces heat output and it also improves
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longevity of the CPU and reduces power
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consumption the flip side of that is if you set a voltage to your CPU with the
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objective of making it stable at higher clock speeds like if you're overclocking
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you don't necessarily want your motherboard dropping the voltage when
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you're in a load under a heavy load or intensive situation because well I told
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you I wanted the voltage and I wanted the power and you're turning it off on
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me so this article was just done by one
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of our for members it's not the most scientific thing I've ever seen but
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basically he took some time and used a rampage for extreme and a 3930k to test
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with a digital multimeter what the actual ual settings were of what was
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actually being delivered to a CPU on that board with different loadline
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calibration settings and I thought it was absolutely fascinating just because
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there's some pretty interesting stuff
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going on it has a huge effect on the voltages that your CPUs are going to be
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running at whether it's uh whether it's at idle or whether it's at load and it
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is definitely worth a read it'll be posted in the wow document after the
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show but if not you can always search on the forum for load Das line calibration
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why overclocker should care and you can check out that article little little tip
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if if you want to search on the Forum just go to Google and do like lineus Tech tips and then the line calibration
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forum and it'll probably come up better cuz our search sucks I know the search
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is terrible it is we're hoping that they fix it in IPS version 4 which is in
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Alpha right now and we will not be beta testing yeah no more beta testing for
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software um you know what we've got a little bit more time so Warcraft the
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movie is coming out on December
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18th okay there's a couple different ways this can go people were stoked so
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hard on what was it advent children or whatever they called that first Final
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Fantasy movie uh what was it yeah I that
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was at least one of them I can't remember I don't know if that was the first one I I watched about 30% of it
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and I was like this is the most boring stupid thing that I've ever seen I kind
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of expected that the CG okay the okay the problem is that
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okay at that time I hadn't played a Final Fantasy game since like Final
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Fantasy 6 so I was expecting a story
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that wasn't just like the stupidest thing ever um like I I was expecting it
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to be more than just a tech demo and it really wasn't I was incredibly
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disappointed I was at a friend's house and we were watching it together and I
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was just like I'm going to go play Sims and that was the one time I ever sat
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down and played The Sims because I was
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that bored was was that I I can't remember the names cuz I'm dering right
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now but was that the Final Fantasy movie where she has to go find uh she's trying
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to find plant life I don't even remember man like it was terrible I didn't mind
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the one where she has to go find plant life so Warcraft movie could end up
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being like just a tech demo for CGI and
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um but it's blizzard but it's blizzard
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so it also could end up having like the best story ever and launching an an
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entire series of movies and a franchise yeah that could be amazing I'm a huge
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fan of the warcraft floor like I love
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the warcraft floor and I linked something in this document so you guys
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can check it out later which is a compilation of HD remakes of all of the
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cinematics not like cutcenes but cinematics from Warcraft 3 and like
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they're epic everything's epic like when
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when when arthus is succeeding you and stabs you the guy's thing and his crown
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rolls down the stairs like that's so ridiculous ly epic and I expect it to be
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more like fighting and War and epic
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scenes and stuff like that than I would expect from the Final Fantasy so if
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someone could pull this off would it be blizzard then I I think so because we
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also saw um Prince of Persia cuz Square's whole thing was was cinematics
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and being awesome at cutcenes and making them epic even though you know the games
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themselves particularly these days don't necessarily have a whole lot of meat to
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them see but then they've been moving away from them and they've been moving away from that so so okay and and like
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um there was Prince of Persia okay but then Prince of Persia I think tried to
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be its own thing too much okay and this
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I think they're just going to embrace it and be like nope this is Warcraft well
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Blizzard's good at Blizzard's good at that I mean you know what this was actually uh when I when I was oh man it
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was awesome when I was just kind of hanging out having drinks with Chris
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Roberts yeah that happened I don't think I told you that yet we haven't talked
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much about this I'm like I told you in an email it's probably the most jelly
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I've ever been so anyway so he was all like yeah you know I think the thing we
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did wrong on the wing Commander movie was that we tried too hard to make it
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its own thing yeah instead of just making it to embrace your community
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making it Wing Commander so if if blizzard does this um starring Colin
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Ferell which is going to be uh which is going to be awesome I eventually a
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feeling it's going to just be all voice actors though December 18th
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2015 um I'll go see it yeah me too I
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don't think I've seen a movie on launch day since Avatar and before that oh no I did see
26:33
uh Deathly Hallows on launch day deathly Hallow's part two Return of the King no
26:38
no I think that was me yeah okay so that was your last one I think so okay well
26:42
here why don't we make a pack let's go see this sure we'll get a big group
26:46
together we'll go all the lus we'll have a lonus Media Group outing and we'll go
26:49
see the Warcraft movie guys um are you as stoked as us on this I got to get the
26:54
twitch chat going on my laptop here because I am I am am I am just I'm sorry
26:59
guys I've abandoned you here I just like yeah seriously like the amount of time
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that I've spent playing Warcraft 3 and the amount of time that I've spent
27:07
playing wow should be like criminal are
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we ready for our special guest I'm I'm still waiting for the friend request and
27:15
then we'll be good to go all right he's jumping on right now
27:20
so it shouldn't be too long all right jumping on right now why don't we go ahead and just go for our one troll news
27:25
item I I really don't think this is going to take that long halflife 3
27:30
confirmed huh huh so they registered a
27:34
trademark for half lifee 3 but it's just trademarking the name and at an almost
27:39
exact same time they registered the the steam symbol in in the
27:44
EU so so I personally think it's just
27:47
trying to drive hype towards valve I think it has nothing to do with anything
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and I think anyone who's reading anything into this other than they don't
27:57
want someone else to make the game halflife three and be put in a position
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where they can't really say anything about it I think that's all that's going
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on right now um yeah yeah yeah I I honestly think it
28:12
it like you're definitely right I think it it might have had something to do
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with the timing of the other stuff that's going on because it's it drove a
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huge amount of more interaction to go along with their steam box and all this
28:25
kind of stuff because even in that thread you can scroll down and see someone that posted a picture of steam
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box with the controller with half lifee 3 bundle buy it for whatever like like
28:36
there's there's it drove interaction directly for steam box and the other or
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Steam Machines sorry and the other stuff that they're releasing so the timing may
28:44
have been interesting but they also just had to freaking patent the name CU they
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had to right well trademark is different from patent to be very clear to be very
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clear um so I I actually do get a kick out of the fact that it's a new human
28:57
avatar on the guy the guy who posted it on Yoap so yeah yeah ultimate ultimate
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troll Avatar right there how close are we here I still hasn't added me up um
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haven't gotten an email recently all right cool cool probably just getting
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hopefully we'll have this going very very soon uh add me on Skype yep hopping
29:17
on Skype in a second okay that's good so let's move along to you know what guys
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hit us with a Twitter Blitz of maybe some questions for El I'll take some
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time and uh introduce him if you aren't already familiar with El from Tech of
29:29
tomorrow he's done a wide variety of different stuff uh started up
29:34
motherboards.org about 1 billion years ago without taking a crack at him for
29:39
his age uh he's been doing the whole Tech media thing for longer than I have
29:44
known what a CPU is so the guy's got a ton of experience his new YouTube
29:49
channel Tech of Tomorrow is actually growing faster than motherboards.org
29:54
ever did and I think it really shows um
29:57
what creators are able to do when they shed the shackles of corporate
30:03
involvement or when they aren't forced anymore to focus as much on uh the
30:08
business side of things and are instead allowed to focus on the creation side of
30:12
things I mean we've seen similar success with lonus tech tips growing at a much
30:16
faster rate than it used to be back when I had to deal with my full-time job so
30:20
Tech of Tomorrow is his show he's on Twitter at oballs okay I can't remember
30:27
but if you search for Tech of Tomorrow Twitter on Google which is actually how
30:30
I usually find people because Twitter does a terrible job of autocomplete you
30:35
know what really really drives me insane this is like kind of an offshoot but
30:38
when you go on Twitter and type in there's the search box and I'm like lius
30:43
and then press down once because it's currently searching for you and then
30:47
press enter and it comes up with instead of going to you it just does like a
30:51
search for if I just did l n u it would
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do a search for Linux and it's like no actually I want the
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thing that you were showing a millisecond previously which was lonus
31:04
it's oh man there's some stuff about Twitter that drives me crazy I have
31:07
recently started using Instagram because Twitter pictures break
31:12
constantly you know what I've actually found that too there's better support
31:17
when you click especially on the mobile app when you click on a Twitter picture
31:22
link it just goes nowhere it doesn't work so now if I use Instagram it
31:25
actually loads like I have no interest in actually using Instagram I used to
31:29
use it a long time ago I didn't even bother make a new account I was just like
31:32
whatever it'll work and like I I don't
31:36
want to promote it I don't want to do anything I don't care if anyone follows it because everything that I ever post
31:40
on Instagram will always just push to Twitter I have no interest because it's
31:44
just the only reason why I'm using it so actually freaking load all right we've
31:47
got another little bit of troll news here this is uh this is pretty funny
31:51
while we stall for time some more so uh are we are we ready to rock okay so get
31:55
things get things going over there we need our headsets that's right yeah
31:59
um on Indiegogo the AI
32:03
Smartwatch is uh is a is a smartwatch
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that I I watched their I watched their video about sort of two minutes in and I
32:11
kind of went yeah okay you know what the real secret to a successful Kickstarter
32:15
or Indiegogo campaign seems to have less to do with the idea and the product and
32:20
more to do with having a really slick video and I was looking at it going yeah really guys I don't know if uh I don't
32:26
know if this is going to work so what we got a kick out of and this was pointed
32:29
out by one of our community members was that it is as featured in who hold on a
32:34
second what's that down there what's what's this right here as featured in
32:38
Linus Tech tips so Luke's looking at this going
32:42
what I don't remember this I don't remember making a video about this you
32:47
know what's funny too is I watched the uh video and um it was just it was music
32:51
that we paid for off Melody Loops but they used the same music that we use in
32:55
one of our Techquickie videos in there indgo I recognize that as well um so
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what it turned out to actually be was a
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uh a post on the lonus tech tips Forum
33:08
that like one dude who looks like a legit member of The Forum so it's not
33:12
just them it's you better not who I've seen around like 2,000 posts saying oh
33:17
that's pretty cool but that small interface and then nobody ever replied
33:22
and like it's not even a bad post just no one ended up replying good post just
33:26
um it wasn't really featured on Linus
33:29
Tech tips in the same way that that Indiegogo page would imply that it was
33:35
featured online as Tech tip so we're getting our call with El going I've had
33:39
the pleasure of meeting El a couple times the first time we met in person
33:43
was at CES this year and I remember us
33:46
say saying hey we got to you know get
33:49
together and like do something and then we just never managed to make it happen
33:55
so is he is he on are we good are we live I'm here hey hey welcome to the
34:00
show all right so I kind of introduced
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you a little bit but why don't you tell the audience what you're about as if any
34:08
of them don't know who you are already cuz I'm pretty sure they do I don't know
34:13
man I'm like the feel like the old man in the tech business I've been doing
34:16
this like since the day it started um I've been into gaming and computers and
34:21
electronics ever since I was a little kid so like doing this for me it just
34:25
seems to be like the natural way of my life I really love doing what I'm doing
34:28
and I don't really see myself doing anything else and it's great to see so
34:32
many other young people doing it nowadays like I've been doing it back
34:36
when there was only like one or two sites now there's just so many people out there doing their own thing and it's
34:40
just awesome you know a lot of people feel like guys like you and me or um you
34:46
know the new egg TV guys or whatever are competitors and I'd like you to take a
34:51
moment and address that in your own words because I think you put it pretty
34:55
well yeah I mean there really is no
34:58
competition between anybody I'll admit that like when I first got into it I
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used to kind of look around and look at everybody's numbers and what are you
35:05
know what I could do to get better and all this but then I just kind of just started like doing my own thing paying
35:09
attention to what I was doing and learning really to like more and less
35:13
buddy up with everybody um for a long time it seems like a lot of the PC
35:17
people all wanted to be like an island they just you know they were afraid to Shar any their ideas afraid to work
35:22
together and I've really noticed that over the years the Mac guys have never
35:25
done that and so I really myself started adopting more of their kind of an
35:29
outlook on things work with everybody work together and just be one big happy
35:33
family instead of being an island all by yourself trying to do this absolutely I
35:38
agree 100% I mean it it still kind of is funny to me when people post on my video
35:44
that you know El's the best tech host or they post on your video that lonus is
35:48
the best and you know what guys we really don't see it that way uh we see
35:52
ourselves as and and this is sort of my take on it is that I see every other you
35:56
YouTuber who is doing Tech on YouTube or
36:00
making videos on YouTube and making a living out of it as a testament to the
36:05
solidity of the platform and the legitimacy of what we're doing here I
36:09
think every other Tech YouTuber that's approaching sponsors and trying to you
36:14
know get sponsorship or you know get access to the samples that we need in
36:18
order to bring you guys timely content is great because it brings attention to
36:23
YouTube and to video that we otherwise wouldn't be getting if it was just one
36:27
dude talking about it to them so I I think it's fantastic yeah I just think
36:31
it's funny because they leave comments like oh hey he did it before you or so
36:34
and so did it before you and I see those same comments on their channels when I
36:38
do when they don't realize that we all are just doing our own thing and when it
36:41
hits it hits speaking of things that are
36:45
hitting this was an article that is on Tech PowerUp now I don't know what your
36:50
NDA obligations are but I do have some with respect to the upcoming Radeon
36:54
graphics cards so I want to keep the discussion pretty much narrowed in from
36:58
my side on what I've already seen posted in other places but Tech PowerUp posted
37:04
some benchmarks of the Radeon R9 290x
37:08
which we already know this isn't under NDA is going to be their new Flag ship
37:13
card based on a new GPU and we saw some
37:17
interesting results here so there's rumored specs in here as well but we see
37:20
a trading blows with the Titan so give me give me your thoughts on radon 290x
37:27
well for me I'm just really glad to see AMD getting something that's new for the
37:32
people that out there that have been supporting them I mean they've had their
37:35
cards on the market for a long time we did see the 7990 hit the market but it
37:40
doesn't seem like it got very favorable results since the price is like almost
37:43
next to giving it away now compared to some of the cards that are coming out but um I'm really looking forward to it
37:48
and if these guys can actually get the price point down below the Titan and
37:52
even if it doesn't beat the Titan if it can even come anywhere near the Titan be
37:56
hundreds of less fans are going to be embracing that and enjoying it and being
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a reviewer myself and you know what it's like when you get new tech stuff then
38:04
you have [ __ ] to really talk about when you're on your 10th card of your launch
38:08
you're like okay it's the 10th card but now this is fresh this is exciting and
38:12
I'm looking forward to it and I know the AMD fans are looking forward to it as
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well I'm I'm super stoked and to bring in the pricing thing new egg had their
38:20
little yes there was a little snafu on New Egg I don't know if you saw this or
38:24
not but go go ahead so so they had a pre-order listed and uh uh whenever this
38:29
happens there's always that dude that decides to go check out like the the the
38:33
code for the Forum or or for the Forum or web page or whatever it is there's
38:37
always that dude that goes and finds whatever that isn't supposed to be there
38:41
so $700 plus but then they could pull a
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switch R like has happened in the past NVIDIA did it with GTX 680 where pricing
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was going to be $6.99 and launch day boom it was $5.99 so they shocked
38:55
everyone from AMD to their retailers to their partners with a much more
38:59
aggressively priced part than we were expecting um based on what we've seen
39:03
from the leaked benchmarks on Tech PowerUp performance looks very close to
39:08
the Titan however I would take these results with a ginormous grain of salt
39:14
of salt yes not only because it's pre-release but I mean come on okay elri
39:19
how many times have you run surround benchmarks only to discover that it is a
39:24
freaking nightmare yeah it's most of the time just getting
39:28
the setup on its a pain the but you can get it done but those numbers to me are
39:31
a little bit questionable right out of the gate I'm waiting till we really see what goes on with it I mean now now I
39:36
really do think though that the card is going to be very very competitive AMD
39:40
wouldn't have held their card so close their sleeve if they didn't have something that was going to come out to
39:44
compete and these guys are known to be the price competitors so if they just
39:49
play their cards right AMD can do a serious damage to the market especially
39:53
here around the holiday season a play their cards
39:57
oh hey sorry man I love that I didn't
40:00
catch that what happened here guys you guys sound like you fell off the planet did you guys fall
40:04
over no I was just I was I was laughing I love that play your cards right oh
40:09
that's fantastic so rumored specs has
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the die size was a double
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whammy rumored specs have the die size of the 290x at higher than the 7970 now
40:24
we saw AMD revise their y significantly
40:27
with the release of the 3870 where NVIDIA remained committed to
40:33
the gigantic monolithic GPU that was
40:36
extremely expensive to engineer produced a lot of heat and was extremely
40:41
expensive to build and put on cards when AMD said no our strategy is going to be
40:46
multi-GPU for the future we're going to build smaller gpus and our Flagship part
40:51
will always be two of them together do you see a larger die than what we saw on
40:57
Cayman XT which was the 7970 7950 series
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as a departure from that strategy and what does this mean to be honest with
41:07
you lonus during that a lot of that last thing I couldn't hear most of it would
41:10
it I'm sorry apologize everybody can can you resay a lot of it because I couldn't
41:14
hear you guys it broke up really bad on the Skype connection oh shoot sorry
41:17
about that okay so do you see AMD's new
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GPU which is rumored to be much larger than the 7970 GPU in terms of die area
41:27
do you see that as a as an admission of defeat on their strategy of having two
41:32
smaller gpus so 387x 2 48 7x2 two
41:37
smaller gpus together make up their high-end
41:41
strategy um I I think that AMD is just trying to stick to what they know best
41:45
and trying to like get the technology to be smaller and smaller and smaller
41:49
always causes some type of problems these guys right now really just wanted
41:53
to get a cards and cards out there that could seriously compete with NVIDIA
41:57
since we guys all know the Titans so far just suck the market up so I think AMD
42:01
is just trying to really stick to what they know right now I think in launches
42:05
that we see next year with new stuff we'll see them go back to that again but
42:09
I think right now they're just trying to really stick with what they
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know yep I agree I agree 100% now I
42:16
wanted to move on to this as a separate topic but I guess this Segways in really
42:21
really well do you feel like NVIDIA has
42:24
been holding back for the last last two years um yes for a fact I mean everybody
42:31
that I see at NVIDIA is constantly on vacation like you guys all know Del
42:34
Rizzo every time I see him he's on vacation with his husband around the world sending me a postcard saying hey
42:39
we love the world if the company really wanted to be that competitive I think
42:43
we' be see these guys doing a lot more launching and a lot more talking about
42:46
their product they seem to be right now in cruise control just kicking back and
42:50
waiting to see what AMD's move is now of course oh sorry go ahead we called this
42:55
out like a while ago actually we we've called this out repeatedly because we
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just we've we've known they've been sitting on this chip for so long just
43:04
going oh here's another little bit oh there's another little bit you that's
43:07
all you need don't worry about it they're just kind of sitting there so for those of you who aren't familiar
43:11
with the history GTX Titan or gk10 is
43:14
the code name it's the same GPU that's in GTX 780 the rumor was that that was
43:19
always supposed to be the successor to
43:23
the GTX 580 That was supposed to be the GTX 680 but the rumor the word on the
43:28
street is that NVIDIA saw how poorly
43:32
7970 performed and remember this was AMD strategy of smaller cores and then
43:37
putting two of them together for the highend which they didn't even manage to
43:41
do until a year plus into that product launch um so when NVIDIA saw how poorly
43:46
it performed they basically went well we don't even have to release this as a
43:50
GeForce GPU and they took what would
43:54
have been GTX 66 TI GTX 660 class of
43:59
product the gk104 GPU and turned that
44:03
into their high-end product and basically sat on
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gk10 um you know deployed it in supercomputing applications Tesla and um
44:12
so so the the basically the rumor is that had NVIDIA or had AMD managed to
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release something like R9 290x you know
44:22
uh a year and a half ago we would things would have been different we would have
44:25
seen we wouldn't have seen A1 thousand GTX Titan yeah yeah I agree with you
44:31
100% NVIDIA's had no reason to come back
44:34
up and swing and it really wouldn't make much sense for them either if they came
44:38
out with some card now that was super super fast they would put their
44:41
competitor almost completely out of business and that really wouldn't make
44:44
sense for them either they don't really want AMD to go anywhere they just want
44:48
to beat him and they're doing that and they don't have to do much like I said
44:51
before these guys would not be out on vacation and doing everything if they
44:55
wanted to compete they be in the lab talking to their engineers and talking
44:58
to all of us about something new I don't know about you folks but I haven't heard
45:02
about anything crazy new coming out and the the thing about I mean the thing
45:06
that the viewers need to understand because you know viewers a lot of the
45:11
time I feel like don't understand the market dynamics as well as they would if
45:15
they were part of the industry so the things that viewers need to understand
45:19
is that it costs a certain amount to make a card whether it's to engineer a
45:23
new chip or put a complicated VR design on it or a heat sink I mean the heat
45:28
sink on GTX 780 GTX Titan costs I think
45:32
something in the neighborhood of 70 to $80 that's a bomb cost on that heat sink
45:37
it's extremely expensive to produce something like that so there is an
45:40
actual cost to producing graphics cards um but lus it looks good man it does
45:46
look good and I love it but I mean everybody likes reference cards from
45:49
those guys for the first time ever NVIDIA made reference cards that people
45:52
actually wanted more than other cards that's a different change for those guys
45:56
for sure though so the perception from consumers that more competition just
46:01
drives pricing down is actually wrong more competition drives a product out of
46:07
the market potentially if it costs too much to continue to make it versus how
46:12
much they can actually sell it for compared to everything else that's out
46:15
there so if NVIDIA turned around and released Maxwell tomorrow which is their
46:19
upcoming architecture and it was twice as fast as the R9 series it's not like
46:24
they could charge you know uh $1,500 or
46:27
$2,000 for the top end card it might be lucrative in terms of the profit margin
46:33
on the card but it wouldn't be lucrative in terms of the volume they could turn
46:37
so it's a balancing act where AMD and NVIDIA are constantly playing this game
46:41
where they actually carefully unless they do something crazy like 8800 GT
46:45
they actually carefully slot in a new card so that it performs about like the
46:50
old ones except a slightly better value and it's and it makes sense uh we very
46:55
rarely see see the market completely upset these days so um from a business
47:00
standpoint if you can't get as much for
47:03
your card because people just don't have that much money as it would be worth
47:07
compared to everything else that's in the market and what your competitor can deliver why do you release something
47:13
new yeah for NVIDIA there's really no reason at all for them to release any
47:16
new product right now they can kind of cruise even with even if this card comes
47:20
out and it's really close they can still say in the long run hey our card's
47:24
faster we're going to charge that money and they can wait another generation to
47:28
launch their cards plus from what we've heard they do have two more cards that
47:31
are possibly going to be coming out so we may see something new from them very
47:35
soon why don't you give the details on those cards because we haven't talked about them at all hit
47:39
us um well there're supposed to be a single GPU card coming out and another
47:44
dual GPU card coming out from NVIDIA um the rumors are flying there's nothing
47:48
you know concrete that I've actually heard from them directly but we've seen
47:51
the leaks around the world so we know that something's definitely going to be
47:54
coming all all these guys are doing right now is sitting back once again
47:58
they're going to wait for the launch they're going to see how it affects them and then they'll make a decision if
48:03
there's nothing that they need to do they're going to even hold back on releasing any new cards until probably
48:08
we may see something right at the holiday season but if not it'll be in q1
48:12
of 2014 so I actually just linked to uh
48:15
your article here so the guys this is on Tech of tomorrow.com and the article is
48:19
NVIDIA cutting video card prices in October to compete with AMD with a
48:23
question mark on it you know allegedly you know rumored um rumor rumor that
48:28
question Mar where El basically says well look we might see a full-fledged
48:32
Titan not all of the SMX modules and cudic cores are enabled on the GTX Titan
48:38
right now we might also see and this has been rumored by NVIDIA themselves a dual
48:43
GK 110 GPU which would be
48:46
absolutely Benchmark crushing I mean I'd
48:50
love to see it I'd love to see it um with that said for all the viewers that
48:54
are kind of about to ask me and about to hit my PM inbox Lon is how do you think
48:59
it will perform the answer is very simple it'll per fast fast just like two
49:05
GK 110s in SLI on separate cards pretty
49:08
much like that so there there's not a whole lot of Special Sauce to to to go
49:13
on here but NVIDIA has actually contacted me and said hey you know get
49:17
ready to have these cards so they might be something that they have on paper
49:21
they might even have them but they're not yet really sharing them with the
49:24
market and saying hey these cards are for sure because believe me as soon as
49:28
they do you know we'll know well NVIDIA used to be
49:32
pure uh pure you know consumer graphics cards whereas you look at some of their
49:37
initiatives now something like grid
49:40
already uses dual gk10 gpus on a single
49:44
PCB so NVIDIA has become and you look at
49:47
Titan same thing become more about delivering an Enterprise solution and
49:51
trickling that technology down to the consumer which is a reversal from what
49:55
we saw from them before so I wouldn't be surprised if they are just sitting there
50:00
waiting for AMD to do something and they
50:03
just you know get a consumer friendly looking heat sink and redesign the io to
50:08
actually have some ports on it and release something along the lines of
50:12
that card now did you guys hear that all
50:15
of the two adx cards that are coming out they're not have any reference bottels
50:19
whatsoever I'm hearing I'm that every is supposed to have its own cooling from
50:23
the company so instead ofing a car with a stick on it I'm hearing that all of
50:27
the new 2x cards will be specifically designed by the company that's making
50:30
them you guys heard that as well I hadn't heard that but I do know that our
50:35
sample 290x um is a non-reference card
50:39
and I haven't heard of anyone who has gotten a reference card so while AMD did
50:44
have reference cards at the event in Hawaii um I haven't I haven't seen any
50:49
yet so that could very well be true with that said you know maybe this is a good
50:54
opportunity to talk about about what do you think of reference cards versus
50:58
non-reference cards because this is a question that we get a ton of um I think
51:04
really matters on like who is making the reference card because company will take
51:09
a reference card and Sor to sorry uh
51:13
sorry to interrupt we're getting a we're getting some some breaking up on the
51:16
call here can we try redialing you here let's try that one more time here
51:21
sorry guys our connection looks good the stream seems to be running just fine
51:25
still so um just for a minute just just
51:29
to be clear guys uh we still have our razor lower third down here but the
51:33
Razer comm's sponsorship is technically over and El had Skype on his machine so
51:38
we we decided to go that route so you're back right I'm
51:42
here but you still got that robot sound
51:45
I wonder what's going on here it sounds like you might be being dosed actually
51:50
would be my suspicion my coms broke that was
51:56
actually why I didn't use it but I can try and see if the hear
52:00
you yeah I think uh I think you might be
52:03
being dosed so um do you happen H okay let's see if
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we can figure out what we can do isn't actually oh there we go hold on have we
52:14
got has has the connection dropped completely no we can hear him still
52:20
there okay well I'm here you know what why don't you go ahead and sort of we'll
52:24
see if we can power through and give us a you know what would be do
52:28
how good of a data plan do you have on your phone do you want to give us a call
52:31
from your phone on a mobile network and see if we can we can avoid
52:35
this um um I I suppose I I I'm in my
52:40
house I thought this was a good connection um they say that I'm getting
52:44
bsed or something yeah it's a it's a Skype bug
52:49
um there's really not a whole lot that can be done about it but anyone who knows your Skype ID uh is able to uh to
52:55
Dos you with impunity it was a problem we were running into on the W show where
53:00
our shows were getting shut down because someone who knew our Skype ID was was
53:05
shutting us down in fact that person that person's probably trying to Dos us
53:09
right now but don't worry we're using a very secret Skype ID that gets used for
53:13
nothing but this so um you know so I've
53:17
been I've been hacked basically yeah so you guys want
53:22
me to try to hang up this and then call you back is that saying
53:25
it's a little bit better now why don't you give us the reference versus non-reference card bit and let's uh let
53:30
try let's let's try it let's see if you can make it all right so check out
53:33
here's my way now in the past are you
53:37
guys still there oh yeah okay in the past I thought nid made some of the
53:42
worst reference coolers around you guys all know everybody called them lawnmowers and everything else they were
53:47
super loud in fact everybody kind of suffered from it do you remember the
53:50
7950
53:54
gx2 how can you not but but like but like I was saying
53:59
man like NV now makes a reference card that has a really nice cooler on and
54:03
many of the people on my will come to me and say Hey how do you get a hold of
54:07
that reference design exactly like that and that time it was really cool but
54:11
most of the time when companies just take and put some piece of plastic on it
54:15
and throw a sticker on it I mean I suppose that's it's okay if you're just
54:18
somebody throwing in a computer and not looking at it but most of the people I
54:22
think nowadays they game
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oh boy yeah no he's uh definitely definitely being dosed so maybe maybe
54:32
try and bring the connection back in the meantime guys I would love for you to
54:36
hit us up on Twitter give us a Twitter Blitz of any questions you have for elri
54:40
that you'd like him to address live on the screen
54:44
um all right so let's go ahead and move into one of our other topics while we
54:48
try and get El back I've got someone asking me on uh on Twitter do you even
54:52
know what dos is it's just Skype being garbage uh the reality of it is skype's
54:57
service really just isn't actually that bad and uh yeah it's it's it's probably
55:03
not that so do we have you back are you back I am here I don't know how much you
55:06
guys got but I'm here all right you're back so uh we made it to you don't see
55:12
much of a value to board Partners just taking a reference design and slapping a
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sticker on it uh versus actually designing their own card yeah most of
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the time I don't really think that's good because I mean there somebody who
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doesn't about your computer and you just want to throw it in there and play some
55:27
games you want a card that's going to look good it's going to be cool going to
55:31
have overclocking all that stuff and when these guys go out of their way and they make windforce twin frozer as6 when
55:37
they make this extra Cooling and go that extra mile it just seems to make the
55:41
card be a better card and look better and for the five or $ t0 do that you pay
55:45
a difference I think the people who take the time to do that are making a better
55:49
card now there are some people however who have contacted me like I said who
55:53
they really want to get their hands on the reference cards just like they look
55:57
from Nidia you can get those obviously from EVGA they have those but there are
56:02
still some people that just made a plastic shroud even for somebody these
56:05
newer cars and I don't really appreciate that I think it's better if you go out
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of your way and take the time to make a better card you're not the reference guy
56:12
take the time to make a good card yep you know what I agree with you 100%
56:17
because there was a time a few years ago when you were looking at paying a lot of
56:21
the time for a non-reference card as much as you would pay for the next
56:26
better GPU so we were getting you know redesigned cards that are a lower tier
56:31
of product and then we were getting them sold to us at the price of a higher tier
56:34
product with performance that was about the same but they'd be overclocked
56:38
already and yeah you'd have a little bit more Headroom out of them but usually you were better off just buying a better
56:42
GPU in the first place whereas now it's like you said it usually costs like what
56:47
an extra 10 bucks 15 bucks to get something like a direct cu2 or a
56:51
windforce or um or a a twin froz card
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that has better Cooling and in the case of direct cu2 in particular um ASUS has
56:59
done a great job of having completely non-reference redesign cards ready at
57:05
launch a lot of the time so I I think there's a very compelling value to be
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had there the
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only sorry we can't uh we we can't make
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you out again but um you know what I
57:21
think uh we're we're getting we're getting some we're getting some some
57:25
complaints here on the stream about just how bad the voice quality is you know
57:29
what I'm sorry we might have to let you go El um is he is he still able to hear
57:34
me through probably not he can hear us fine yeah I hear you guys fine sorry
57:40
you're breaking up too bad so you know what um thank you so much for coming on
57:44
as a guest um since they can't really hear you I'll I guess what I'll have to
57:48
do is just kind of do your outro for you
57:52
hey I hope you can hear that
58:02
sorry man we got nothing you're gonna you're going to have to let's do it yeah
58:05
I I'll I'll cut it but do an outro for yeah okay so guys just so you know
58:10
that's elri he's got over 200,000 subscribers on the YouTubes which is all
58:15
the more impressive because he had to restart his channel he got a lot of
58:20
support from his viewers formerly on the youtube.com/ motherboard zorg Channel
58:25
they have flocked over there they have helped spread the word and it is now at
58:29
the point where Tech of Tomorrow has more subscribers than the
58:33
motherboards.org channel ever had and uh
58:36
he is he is definitely he's got faster growth than ever before and I think it's
58:41
I think it's a really cool um I think it's a really cool example of how
58:45
YouTubers can basically come back and
58:49
with the support of their communities can really make a go of it in spite of
58:53
some some really challenging stuff that happened uh quite a few months ago it
58:57
must have been about 10 months ago now to uh to El yeah it was cuz it was right
59:01
around the time that we went Indie so guys you can follow him at Tech tomorrow
59:05
on YouTube or you can go over to teof tomorrow.com and uh check him out so
59:12
parents Minecraft is um apparently a big
59:15
problem so this was a post on Kaku which
59:20
uh I mean oh come on okay so now we
59:24
heard it all Minecraft blamed in school
59:27
violence case it should be noted that the kid took an unloaded gun to school
59:34
and there was no there to to to give a little bit to the guy who's an idiot
59:39
there was no firing pin in the gun the kid should not have been able to get a
59:43
pistol with a with ammo but there at
59:47
least was no firing pin so there was no firing pin however the kid did have a
59:51
steak knife and a small handled sledgehammer so arguably as far as
59:57
things that we'd consider to be weapons go the only one was a gun and then as
60:02
far as things that we'd consider to be functional weapons go the sledgehammer
60:06
and the knife are probably actually the most potent out of everything with with
60:10
that said threatening with a gun is is a very big deal but the kid never actually
60:17
um didn't threatened anyone so so he had
60:20
them at school which is terrible and the kid basically says
60:27
well they use hammers to dig and knives and guns to protect themselves from
60:31
zombies this was the not the kid yeah
60:35
this was the wait what I'm pretty sure that was the dad was it not yeah that
60:38
was the dad so I thought Oh I thought you were saying that that was the radio
60:41
station so so when the dad was interviewed he clearly didn't have a
60:45
very clear understanding of how mcraft Works how Minecraft works because
60:49
digging is normally done with a shovel
60:52
or and Mining is done with a a pickaxe
60:55
or he doesn't understand how digging and Mining work because I don't know anyone who digs or mines with it so I mean
61:00
really what this calls into question is the um the uh uh the the comprehension
61:07
of situations of he's trying he he he
61:10
took his situation he sat there and went okay everything that went wrong was kind
61:14
of my fault now what is applicable that
61:18
I can throw poo at to make this look bad instead of me and just randomly was like
61:23
he plays viget game everyone blames VI games I'm going to blame VI games and I
61:27
mean I personally you know as a parent now I do I think that something like
61:32
Grand Theft Auto 5 is something that I want my kid playing the answer is no I
61:36
was I was going to say hopefully no the answer is no and you know what I don't
61:39
even I'm not even of the mind that you know at 16 or 18 necessarily that people
61:45
should be influenced by that kind of
61:48
media with that said there's worse out
61:51
there that isn't in a video game this much is true and with that said I'm a
61:56
pretty firm believer in the whole nurture versus nature and I lean more
62:00
towards the nature side do I believe that playing a violent video game takes
62:05
an otherwise fuzzy warm would never hurt a fly person and turns them into a
62:09
serial killer the answer is no do I think that some desensitization goes on
62:13
the answer is yes and you're you're basically wrong if you don't think that
62:17
desensitization is a thing but desensitization also doesn't make you do
62:21
anything it just makes you not necessarily react in crazy so the one
62:25
thing that that does bother me is I do think that there is probably potentially
62:30
and I'm putting a lot of stuff in here probably maybe po I think that if you
62:35
lean that way in the first place you might get a few interesting cool ideas
62:40
that you could go ahead and act on that you might not have otherwise thought of
62:44
but not really from Minecraft no not from Minecraft that's ridiculous nothing
62:49
like a sword and my thing was like a sword and a bow and arrow if you can
62:53
translate his whatever the the heck that he brought up what what kid didn't carve
62:57
their toast into a sword and sword fight with their brother like 100% what kid
63:01
doesn't go to camp and sharpen the end of a stick and like poke random things
63:06
you know sword fights or whatever like you're a kid yeah like come
63:11
on any media any book you've like ever
63:15
read ever has some sort of there's there's the the mice whatever that book
63:19
was called but the mice have little swords and shields and stuff like it's
63:22
it's just it's or whatever that Series
63:26
yeah like it's just anyway this doesn't deserve any more of our attention let's
63:29
move on to a yeah this surprised the
63:33
crap out of me I can't believe they're shipping Titans I had no idea that this
63:38
was the approach valve was going to take so they're talking about the prototypes
63:42
that they're going to send out 300 of to
63:46
Lucky folks who potentially very lucky
63:49
potentially very lucky folks who apply to participate in the Prototype test of
63:54
steam's steam box gaming console that's
63:58
going to have the Steam OS on it and there are okay so the 300 prototype
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units will ship with the following
64:05
components some will have NVIDIA
64:08
Titans some will have GTX 780s some 6
64:12
70s and some 660s so we're talking mid-range to highend gpus I was really
64:17
expecting steam box to be more of a value oriented remember though what what
64:21
what I brought up last week is that Val
64:24
the steam box from valve if you buy a steam box from valve it's going to be
64:28
heavily customizable so it's going to be a desktop PC and it's going to come with
64:33
baller Hardware that's been the idea then everyone else will have size or um
64:41
value like price or or or low power
64:44
consumption that kind of stuff valve is going for the beast machine PCS which is
64:48
probably not going to sell as many in my opinion but so these are but I mean
64:51
valve has such brand Equity that they could could say well look no if you want
64:56
the Ultimate steambox Experience you can get it this way or you can go work with
65:00
a third party or you can build your own or whatever but we're valves so if you
65:03
want one built by us boom boom exactly and and something that's been
65:06
interesting is Boutique system Builders we kind of rag on it every once in a
65:09
while because it's so hard to effectively be a boutique system builder
65:14
this might be the only point in time where it makes sense because if you
65:17
build uh Steam Machines you're getting into an audience where they don't want
65:21
to build their own computer eventally yep and they want something that's not
65:27
an HP yeah so they want something that's built for that application so it might
65:31
make more sense the rest of the specs look great as well inel 4770s or 4570s
65:36
there's going to be some i3s storage is going to be at 1 TB8 gig hybrid sshd it
65:42
sounds like seates Drive um in all likelihood power supply will be an
65:46
internal 450 watt because valve actually
65:49
understands that you don't need a 1200 wat power supply even to power something like a Titan Al although 450 watt is
65:55
probably borderline for 4770 in a Titan
65:58
um and then finally 16 gigs of RAM so they are really going Balls to the walls
66:03
on the hardware here which leads us into unless you had something else to say
66:07
about valves prototype just just the Titan thing is that they're they're not
66:10
going to be U I don't think any of these
66:14
like I think what they're expecting is that if you're getting a prototype that
66:18
if you they're saying fully customizable right yeah so if you want to overclock
66:21
like crazy and do heavier things on it
66:25
that you could put in a bigger power probably it's fully customizable because
66:29
I think protype has to work out of the box I mean I think it'll work okay
66:33
that'll work all right so uh
66:37
xi3 to unveil the Piston so this is
66:41
apparently going to be shipping as soon as what was it mid November mid November
66:47
for folks who pre-ordered them a while ago and late November like the end of
66:52
November I think the 29th for folks who want to order one now so they are saying
66:58
okay it's a powerful gaming system however powerful is very relative it is
67:03
not that powerful compared to what valve will be shipping as prototypes because
67:08
this is going to be what I'd consider to be more like um more like a NextGen
67:12
console in terms of CPU power but the GPU power will actually be less this is
67:17
an APU based machine so here you can see
67:20
what it looks like um Apu based machine it'll be powerful for its
67:25
yeah it's tiny so it's 4 in by 4 in by 4
67:29
in um their website has a bunch of different pictures on it including a
67:33
dude wearing it as like a backpack so you can see that right here and wearing
67:38
what looks like a VR device and a interesting because of certain things
67:42
that don't make sense but kind of Epic if you can make it work that'd be
67:47
awesome like there's no battery or they haven't I I looked like crazy I spent a
67:52
really long time on this topic because I was digging through everything trying to
67:55
find if there's a battery I'm like how is this guy wearing it in the backpack okay here's my here's my suggestion I
68:00
would suggest that it uses DC in because
68:04
it's going to be relatively low power and if that were the case you saw that
68:08
huge external battery that edel bought right uh 25,000 milliamp battery you
68:13
could buy a half a dozen of them daisy chain them and you could it's if you
68:17
look in my notes I was saying something I would love to do is throw this in a
68:21
backpack with a huge pile of batteries and then go to and something I thought
68:24
of this is we always have our like crazy off-the-wall theories so this is one of
68:28
mine um is you could go into a paintball Arena or a uh laser tag arena and have
68:34
that space mapped out into the thing and
68:38
then go around with a gun where you Oculus Rift and have fake enemies all
68:42
over the place that would be how epic or even better yet real enemies real enem
68:47
but then you have to have you you would just have to have some sort of uh like
68:52
positional tracking on the back could where they were Oculus in its
68:56
current form where you connect it to a desktop PC is fascinating but it's
69:00
everything else that's going to be super cool this is going to be just freaking
69:05
insane so okay so the Piston can power up to three displays who cares because
69:09
the GPU is just plain not that powerful it's going to have I think 8 gigs of RAM
69:13
in its stock configuration uh it's an APU it start
69:17
with 128 gab SSD but you can upgrade to two 512s y so those are just standard
69:22
MSA drives super small tons of IO so 12
69:26
usb2 ports DisplayPort mini DisplayPort all kinds of great stuff so you can
69:31
see what they've got planned there uh sorry four of them were USB 3.0 ports
69:35
and so this is I think um I think this
69:39
ties in really well to a topic that I was talking to Chris pillo about at the
69:43
airport when we were in Hawaii and I got
69:46
a lot of flack in the comments under his video which I basically said uh PS4 Xbox
69:52
One is the last generation of dedicated gaming consoles there's people in
69:57
dedicated gaming media that have said that I don't know if you've heard this
70:00
so so hold on the people that were arguing with me seem to have largely not
70:05
watched the video because what they're saying is mobile will never replace the
70:11
big screen experience with a controller I didn't say that I didn't say that he's
70:16
a dedicated cons at all I said a dedicated box for I had one guy say well
70:21
this guy's an idiot because it might be something integrated into your TV yeah I
70:26
said that in the video con the the couch
70:29
gaming experience isn't going away no
70:32
that would be a stupid thing to say that would be ridiculous what I said is that
70:37
if this generation of consoles has a life cycle that's as long as the last
70:41
one of about 8 years we will have outgrown it by8 years from now there's
70:46
people speculating 10 years and in 10 years if your phone can't plug in to
70:51
your TV and power the whole thing what
70:54
were we doing for 10 years yes you look at how quickly it's moving right now
70:58
compared to the compared to the speed at
71:01
which larger devices are moving we're moving towards smaller cores that are
71:07
very powerful but also very power efficient and that's where all the developments going nobody gives any
71:12
cares about building a new cell processor yeah okay so no I'm not saying
71:18
you're not going to sit on your couch with a controller and play games people
71:22
will still do that that will that will pretty much always be a thing but to
71:26
imagine that you need a dedicated device that exists just for playing games on
71:30
your TV in 8 years is ridiculous so I
71:33
really think that platforms like I suggested in the video that Android or
71:38
iOS could potentially take a chunk of this and people are like oh the the game
71:42
devs will continue to develop for V come
71:45
on what Nintendo is still going to exist
71:48
as a hardware manufacturer in 8 years are you kidding me good luck I challenge
71:53
you Nintendo because platforms like open platforms
71:56
like Android will attract game developers we have seen who was it
72:01
someone see I could see devices from Nintendo running Android sure that
72:05
that's actually I had to talk with a friend about that that would be like that would be a rebranding exercise more
72:10
than anything okay fine fine okay fine fine fine but to suggest that closed
72:15
platforms will continue to be a thing I think is ridiculous we've seen already I
72:20
think it was $15 was the most expensive game on the App Store and it's selling
72:27
so no you don't have to develop for and
72:30
and we can prove that you don't have to develop for a closed platform and all of
72:34
a sudden anyone on their phone or TV or Shield or whatever else can consume your
72:38
game you're going to be hitting so much larger of an audience what do game devs
72:42
look for they look for where are people willing to spend money people love
72:45
buying apps and they look for where is a large install base why do you develop
72:50
for Xbox 360 because there's Mill ions
72:53
of them out there why do you develop for Android Windows phone because there's
72:59
millions of them out there the install base for Android will completely Eclipse
73:05
anything that PS4 or Xbox One combined
73:08
could hope to accomplish eight years from now in fact probably already and
73:12
we're going to look at cell phones that you will own in not that long that will
73:16
be more powerful than that console that you own yes that is going to happen so
73:20
when I brought up plugging your phone into the TV has because your phone will
73:24
be better than the console that you also have loaded into the TV so there you go
73:29
guys yes it'll hold on and yes this generation of consoles will continue to
73:33
exist but and and you know what okay may
73:36
maybe we'll see one more but I don't think it'll be that successful I don't
73:40
think it'll be that big of a deal that's that's another thing like Nintendo not
73:43
making their own device like they might still be making their own device it might be side by side like there might
73:48
be a dedicated Nintendo one and an Android one or they might just be struggling along it just won't be on the
73:52
scale it currently is we might see we might see some kind of an evolution
73:56
where um games could be platform specific like Nintendo could lock down
74:00
Nintendo games to only run on their Android thing I I don't see that
74:03
happening though um I I could see it happening I don't know why they would
74:07
it'll all come down to game devs though and I mean people making the argument in
74:10
the comments as well that oh yeah I'm
74:13
going to replace my GTA 5 gaming experience with Angry Birds yeah Angry
74:17
Birds isn't the only game that runs on Android like let's get over that let's
74:21
just move past that we don't have G 5 running on Android but at some point it
74:25
will be it will be capable of doing it and if there's money to be made by doing
74:30
that I mean you'd be crazy as a Game Dev to not develop for a platform where
74:35
people will throw buckets of money at you one of the main reasons why I was interested in Ubuntu Edge back to
74:40
throwing way back to this was because once you plugged it into a computer or a
74:44
monitor and it detected that setup was going on it it would completely change
74:48
it would boot into Ubuntu desktop OS instead of Ubuntu mobile OS and I found
74:52
that fascinating because you can plug your phone into a screen that's bigger
74:56
than it and it still sucks because it's a mobile OS and it's all weird and
75:00
whatever absolutely but if it's boots into a desktop OS how about you plug
75:04
your phone into your TV it boots into a console OS sure and we've seen glimmers
75:09
of that with Android already and things like the AC Transformer yeah where okay
75:14
yeah yeah mouse keyboard support sure yeah have a more desktop like experience
75:17
there's no reason I mean eight years
75:20
it's a really long time it's a really long time 8 years we've seen smartphones
75:26
come into existence yeah to where we are today like like when you just think 8
75:30
years it doesn't seem like that long but actually go back and look try and figure
75:33
out what tech you owned eight years ago and then just be like it's laughable so
75:38
okay let's move into our next topic because I think I've ranted about that enough the Silk
75:43
Road has been busted open so you know
75:48
what you're you're more into this whole stuff than me so go ahead to to First
75:52
explain expl what it is it's a it's a it's a website on the quote unquote
75:57
people hate it when I say quote unquote quote darket unquote there we go
76:02
um I got called up for that a ton one live stream um that that that uses
76:07
Bitcoins and a weird way of transferring Bitcoins to sell drugs or narcotics so
76:12
they would sell or fake ID or fake IDs or anything that you would sell on the
76:15
black market quote unquote um would
76:19
would go on this website so the idea of it was that you could only access it
76:24
through a tour Network it was a onion website so it wasn't they have a weird
76:29
crazy URL um which is in the dock for
76:33
people that are interested but wouldn't exactly suggest going right now um and
76:38
like it users would connect to it by going behind a proxy like hot Hotspot
76:42
Shield or something and then tore up
76:46
behind that and then they'd be able to access the website so it was below
76:50
layers of security and the idea was that
76:53
everyone sellers buyers owners was
76:56
completely Anonymous yeah and that helps and these these onion websites how all
77:01
they work and all that kind of stuff it's tons of anonymity and then even the
77:04
way that the Bitcoins are transferred in between people helped because you know
77:08
Bitcoin transactions are traceable so the way that they went around was in
77:12
this weird like scrambled or something yeah so so you could you could follow it
77:17
but it was really confusing and it was pretty much impossible to find who it actually ended up with blah blah blah
77:21
blah blah all that kind of stuff so what happened was the not the original
77:26
Creator but the guy that took it over um
77:29
so that's Ross alpr or or what was his
77:33
what was his tag dread pirate Roberts there we go yeah as a as a throwback to
77:37
an an old movie um I love that movie it's awesome yeah it's one of your
77:41
favorites yes I think some people will know what we're talking about Princess
77:45
Bride yeah there um sorry what was going to say yeah so he he has posts on like
77:49
stack Overflow which I Linked In the document which you guys can check out
77:54
which is just like K and like people knew it was him and he's talking about
77:58
like securing onion websites and it's just like K and then in in PMS to a few
78:04
users he put his his personal email address which had his name on it so it's
78:08
like okay and then the FBI has been on him forever he he tried to place two
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Hitman contracts through FBI agents not knowing that they're FBI agents he tried
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to buy a kilogram of coke through FBI agents like he's for for for running
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this like super secret crazy thing that tons of people were on where's my
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metrics there's 146,000 unique buyer
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accounts now in saying that there was almost a million accounts it's just
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146,000 unique buyer accounts these people that actually put through
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transactions and there was 9 million Bitcoins transferred through this thing
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if you break that down that's as far as I know like billions of dollars 1.2
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billion today would be the uh yeah so the sales revenue of more than 95
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million bit Bitcoins valued at 1.2 billion and and people figured out that
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was like a huge percentage of all
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Bitcoin transactions going half yeah so
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we're we're through this website when this got when this got when when he got
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busted um Bitcoin fell by
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29% immediately which like wow for
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people that were trying to keep Bitcoin up on the up and up and like the good
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kind of situation you just lost a lot of and it's one of those things where we
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you know we look at bit and we kind of go yeah great idea but if you're ever
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going to be legit this kind of crap
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isn't going to help because because all people are going to see it for because
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they had this whole the mentality behind the site was that they thought that all
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of this should be okay and should be legal and they were trying to make their own way of doing it like it had a
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underlying philosophy and that's going to be completely ignored now that it's
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been busted open and the runner was trying to get people killed because that's what people are going to focus on
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um so your whole underly philosophy just got blown the crap up and it's it's it's
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now everyone is going to hear about this it's huge on the news and all it says is
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Bitcoin is bad so that's a problem a
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real shame it is it's actually I mean I think we should look at this as just
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from sort of a thousand foot view what a shame uh what a shame for Bitcoin what a
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shame for alternative currency in general because you know even even other
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currencies like Litecoin are going to suffer as a result of the negative image
80:22
of bit coin and I mean it's one of those things where we look at it and we go well the whole point is we want to get
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away from governments dictating what we can or cannot buy where we can and
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cannot spend our money etc etc etc but the problem is that it seems you know
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like if I say this I think it will be true it seems like uh if people want to
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avoid having the government snooping in their Affairs well this is what they're
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doing well okay and that for half of the people using Bitcoins it was true at
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least the the drug thing aside because there's so many laws changing that field
80:53
right now so whether or not you think it's bad or not completely ignoring that
80:57
I think the part where it really stepped over the line was where he was trying to
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get people kills well yeah of course so it just um so so so so that's the
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perception that will be that will exist for half of all the transactions that
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were occurring using Bitcoin yeah and that's that's all allegedly we haven't
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confirmed that number through investigative journalism that half of the transactions were but but uh I I
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think part of that too is because of the kind of back loopy way that they're
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doing transactions they bounced around a lot right so that inflated the number
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like crazy but still 9 million Bitcoins it wasn't a small amount so yeah so one
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of the uh that so he actually ended up getting busted due to a r a random
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routine package inspection where he was having some fake documents shipped over
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the border and uh so there was one of them was a California driver's license
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with his photograph and birth date but a different name so they ended up being
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able to put enough of it together that they were able to to bust him Canadians
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ended up catching him and one thing that is kind of go Canada sucky in this is go
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Canada but a huge amount of the transactions and a huge amount of people
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on the website were Canadian well okay so let's go
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Canada kind of oh yeah all righty then we have a
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little bit sort of weird talking about this right now but um whatever your
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reasons might be and there are legitimate reasons to value your privacy
82:31
on the Internet seriously with all the NSA crap going on right now just because
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you're not buying drugs online doesn't mean that you shouldn't value your
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you you can do things like we just talked about where you can no not the
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buying drugs part no I I meant at the beginning where I was
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like to hide your footsteps and all that kind of stuff and maybe you're not buying drugs maybe you're trying to talk
83:14
about something that you don't want other people to know about and that
83:18
might not actually be an inherently bad thing so you want to trace your steps um
83:22
not everything that's illegal is necessarily bad I mean we've seen this
83:27
time and time again throughout history where not everything that I mean at
83:31
times you couldn't talk about being a Christian for fear of execution like
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talking about things is not necessarily bad so vpn's can help protect your
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privacy Underground Railroad all like there's there's tons of stuff that being
83:46
black is not inherently bad no I think we can all agree on this now but even
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you know 100 years ago that wasn't a thing so anyway so so whatever your
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reasons be you can you can hide your footsteps you can there there's some things I think it's just with iOS where
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it will actually kind of help save money on your data plan because it does
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compression on their side so another thing you can do with it because all
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your traffic is being rerouted through their server is you can circumvent
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things like region restrictions for services like Netflix it will slow down
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Shield for sponsoring the W show and without further Ado boom they are almost
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all dirty by Anand L shimpy and Brian
84:38
clug so the state of cheating on Android benchmarks so I want to preface this by
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saying cheating on benchmarks Is Not A New Concept no especially on the on the
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PC side we have seen this over and over
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and and over again whether it was 3D Mark 2001 3D Mark 2003 every Graphics
84:59
Company was doing everything they could to have the highest score whether it
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meant oh well if we just like render that with a little bit less Fidelity
85:06
nobody will notice and so they were making specific optim optimizations that
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they were releasing with driver updates to 3D Mark a synthetic Benchmark the new
85:16
driver would drop and it would say 10% Improvement in Far Cry 15% Improvement
85:23
in 3D Mark and you just be like come on
85:26
you guys are really investing in this but the reality of it was especially
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then a lot of people were making purchasing decisions based on synthetics
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yeah I think more than actually more than so leading us to well on the
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Android side I would say a lot of people are making purchasing decisions based on
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synthetics I for PCs oh oh more than than now yeah for PC sure because most
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people just don't care anymore yeah um so they tested a bunch of stuff so the
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pad phone from Aus the HTC1 the One Mini the G2 from LG the Moto Razer and the
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basic conclusion guys is that if you're buying a Nexus device there is no
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cheating going on if you're buying a Motorola device it looks like at least
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the ones they tested no guarantees about the other ones there is no cheating going on if you are buying a Samsung
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device look at that Note 3 there is more
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cheating going on with the Note 3 and the Note 10.1 2014 edition than any
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other device that was tested NVIDIA Shield is not doing any cheating but
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let's let's get into the technical sort of what is cheating exactly because this
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is a bit different this isn't driver tweaks where you're actually rendering
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less of the image or doing whatever else so on the exos 5410 Samsung was
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detecting the presence of certain benchmarks and raising thermal limits
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and thus the max GPU frequency in order to gain an edge on those benchmarks on
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both the Snapdragon 600 and the 5410 on
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the Samsung Galaxy S S4 plat so both of those both Samsung Galaxy S4 platforms
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Samsung was detecting the presence of certain benchmarks and automatically
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driving CPU voltage and frequency to their highest state right away as
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opposed to a gradual ramp up and ramp down and how these benchmarks work is
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they'll go through multiple times and then give you an overall score so it's
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going to change it the the scale at which it changes it if you look at it
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for one run is a little bit but then over time it actually increases Yeah so
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basically they're not not lying to you
87:24
about what your Hardware is capable of doing they're not just you know creating
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uh you know they're not putting like a piece of software on the phone that
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detects The Benchmark closes it automatically puts up a static image
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that makes it look like it's running it and then just spits out a fake score we're not talking something that blatant
87:41
but what they're doing is they are manipulating the numbers to achieve
87:44
unrealistic levels unrealistic levels of performance and maybe it's 3% here or 8%
87:51
there it's not like doubling it just
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just fabricating the numbers completely but it really feels unnecessary and I
87:59
wish that that this wasn't the case but
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it's going to happen it'll keep happening and you know why it'll keep happening because most people don't care
88:07
you folks watching this show you probably already were at least vaguely
88:11
aware of this the people who we would be breaking this news to are not watching
88:17
this show and the people who might be
88:20
shopping for a cell phone probably
88:23
aren't going to listen to you when you start talking about what Benchmark the
88:27
HTC1 wins and which one the Galaxy S4
88:31
wins because they don't care they look at it and they go oh yeah this one's
88:34
really nice and it has a good battery life and but but what they will read
88:38
into is the newscaster who quickly goes
88:41
to some websites finds benchmarks and then goes this is the fastest phone
88:44
there is or this phone is faster than this phone without saying Benchmark
88:48
without saying any of the big words and up till now my understanding is that Samsung has mostly just denied any
88:53
optimizations so unless they're reading The Verge or a onte versus if they're
88:59
watching Fox News um that that tells you
89:03
what kind of information they're going to get and most sites are just going to keep running benchmarks and that's all
89:07
you can do I mean this is very low-level firmware programming that's going on
89:10
here to change things like power states on the fly like this so you can't just
89:15
turn that off and run the Benchmark to get more legit benchmarks so uh one
89:19
thing they did was they renamed the executables oh okay not I guess not
89:24
really the the packages they would rename The Benchmark and then it
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wouldn't detect it in some situations it's going to become another arms race
89:32
where the the the phone manufactur find
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some way to so so there you go and if
89:38
you want to keep your phone up to date you're going to have to keep installing
89:42
you know new ROMs and new new updates and for everyone who's saying oh well I
89:46
just you know I in I rooted my phone I installed Cy good for
89:50
you most people aren't going to do that
89:54
my mom is not going to do that no his mom is not going to do that N I didn't
89:59
even bother on my own phone not because I don't know how to do it because I just
90:02
don't care we jail broke my mom's phone but that was just cuz she needed a few
90:07
more things that's one way of putting it it was like a super old phone she needed
90:11
a few more things it was additional functionality ah okay we we didn't
90:15
actually pirate any apps or anything it was just additional functionality so qualcom claims that Apple 64-bit CPU is
90:22
a marketing gimmick so this was posted by E chondo on the Forum the original
90:26
article is from news. techworld Doc and basically they've come
90:32
out and said look I think they're doing it as a marketing gimmick there's zero
90:36
benefit that the consumer gets from that um the benefit the main benefit of 64bit
90:42
is being able to address more than 4 gigs of memory and Apple has only
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equipped the 5S with 1 gig of RAM which
90:50
means that on the 5S there is no benefit
90:53
but this comes down to the what we were talking about before which was what
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Apple's doing in my mind is preparing the ecosystem for the eventual move and
91:02
Paving the road for a smoother transition so I I think I think the
91:05
64-bit chip may have been interpreted incorrectly but I don't think it was
91:10
complete hogwash and had no per no it didn't help consumers at all I think
91:15
that's complete crap because it's preparing the whole ecosystem for later
91:20
so when they will utilize which will be probably pretty freaking soon to be
91:24
completely honest maybe another year or two kind of thing yeah it it will be
91:28
ready and it won't be a big deal we saw this on the PC side where it was kind of
91:31
terrible and the difference between Apple and Android at that point then
91:35
will be that Apple will be able to launch iOS 7.5 or 8 or whatever they
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want to call it and say backwards compatibility all the way back to 5S
91:46
whereas the compatibility of 64-bit
91:49
Android operating systems and apps will be so broken and so fragmented that no
91:54
one will know what's going on unless you're one of that 0.1% that actually
91:58
gives two cares about it and follows all this stuff daily you'll know but good
92:02
for you because most people won't and when it comes to selling to the general
92:07
consumer you have to do things that appeal to the general consumer and compatibility is a big one so I still
92:13
say like huge thumbs up to Apple 64-bit does not inherently improve the
92:16
performance the A7 chip the A7 chip is fast because the A7 chip is fast not
92:22
because it's 64-bit it just happens to be 64-bit compatible and I think it's
92:26
fantastic that moving forward we're going to we're going to have the market move in that direction yeah I found one
92:32
of the things that he said actually interesting saying uh really how was
92:35
that for you well you have to let me finding one of the things that I said
92:39
interesting I you oh okay I I generally find things you say interesting I'm was
92:43
talking about the guy in the in the thing anyways he he says it will have no
92:48
real benefit other than engineering chip design and operating systems well wow
92:52
that sounds like a pretty compelling like list of benefits what those things
92:57
are really important like what are you talking about I can't find any of those
93:01
three things that is not important yeah
93:04
what so like that quote was just like K
93:08
really like oh man sorry dude but that's
93:12
brutal so let's go ahead and move into our next iPhone piece of news so
93:16
logitech's iPhone game controller pictured again in a new leak this is all
93:20
rumored this isn't by any means release Hardware or anything over here but that
93:25
looks pretty darn cool it looks good and this plays into exactly what you just
93:29
brought up which is where Nintendo might not be a handheld manufacturer Hardware
93:33
manufacturer cuz why would they need to be because stuff like this is going to start coming out and I think stuff even
93:38
though this is awesome I think stuff a lot better than this is going to start
93:42
coming and that's the other thing too is the ridiculous people posting on that
93:47
video saying oh well the touchscreen experience isn't very good good for you
93:50
the touchcreen experience isn't very good it's not it's not what we're
93:53
talking about touch screen experience like always sucks unless you might be valve and you might be changing it yeah
93:58
you might be made of magic yeah but that touchcreen experience that valve is
94:01
going to have I don't tou pad yeah that's not going to come to phones for
94:05
at least a long so you know you look at the direction things are moving where it
94:09
comes to where we've got accessories that turn our phones into consoles we've
94:13
got dedicated devices like Shield that turn that ecosystem into a console oh
94:18
sorry to throw back another thing Shield didn't cheat either yeah Shield didn't I
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did mention that okay okay NVIDIA did not cheat with the tiger 4 and I think
94:26
that really speaks to how much they've grown up in in the last five to eight
94:31
years where they were as guilty as AMD at times like real guilty yeah and now
94:38
here you know no one was really investigating this at the time but they basically said look Tegra 4 kicks ass
94:43
and it's going to kick ass without us making any optimizations for particular
94:47
applications really kudos to you NVIDIA love to see that all right so here's a
94:53
quick discussion topic and that is
94:57
the Zeon versus Core Series processors
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so there's a lot of confusion about this so the Zeon E3 yeah I know I'm in Canada
95:05
I don't care uh the Zeon e oh I hate it
95:10
when it does that to me stop it I know
95:14
I'm in Canada don't redirect me to the homepage I want to actually look at this
95:18
page so what is the difference between a z and a Core Series processor so there's
95:23
a couple of different things first of all right now there happens to be a
95:27
particularly interesting Zeon which I can't remember the model number of for
95:31
Life me right now and uh of course this
95:34
this isn't working because I bet my phone battery just died yeah oh it's one
95:39
thing after another today so it's the E3 something or other it's clocked 100 MHz
95:44
slower than the Core Series equivalent and what's the difference so number one
95:49
is that zons aren't officially supporting by some boards with that said
95:53
I've yet to see a comp an electrically compatible board that doesn't support it
95:57
they they they always work they're just not like officially supported but they
96:01
always work yeah uh number two is there's no integrated GPU so Intel has
96:05
fused it off because they I guess they figure people who want those zons don't
96:09
need integrated Graphics which I think is crazy because that's one of the
96:12
reasons I have against getting one is if I wanted to use it for a server later on
96:16
I'd want it to have integrated Graphics okay base clock overclocking only which
96:21
is is fairly limited um compared to being able to overclock the multiplier
96:25
even on non- unlocked SKS you can overclock the multiplier a fair bit on
96:28
Modern G CPUs and on Haswell since they don't overclock that high you might be
96:34
getting pretty close to the maximum without even getting an unlocked CPU um
96:37
it doesn't need ECC memory but it can use ECC memory unlike the Core Series
96:42
processors um so someone was basically just asking me uh well is there any
96:46
compelling reason why I should get a Core Series processor versus a zeeon if
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it's like 50 bucks cheaper and I was kind of like let me look into this the
96:54
answer seems to be if you don't need the onboard graphics and you don't want to
96:58
overclock not really yeah make sure your board supports it in fact many boards
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even consumer ones do officially support zons yeah yeah just just not all just
97:07
not everyone officially supports Theon that's all um but and like this has
97:11
actually been pretty crazy on the forums lately I don't know if you've noticed that but people have been going nuts
97:15
over these two processors and like yeah if you have no plan on overclocking and
97:19
you have 100% of a plan to always have a video card with that processor all the
97:24
time like you're going to pair them together um then yeah it's fine uh
97:28
personally I like getting processors that have integrated Graphics if I'm
97:32
going to get it on a non like crazy Enthusiast platform so if I'm not going
97:35
to get 2011 I'm probably going to want the option for integrated Graphics
97:40
because at some point in time I might take that system and throw it in a
97:43
server environment who knows I like stuff that uses it I mean things like uh
97:47
things like uh video encoding yeah quick sync um anything that's going to take
97:51
advantage of open CL is going to benefit from the onboard Graphics whether it's
97:55
Intel or AMD although AMD's onboard Graphics are quite a bit more powerful
97:59
yeah um and I can't find a micro USB charging cable which means that our um
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our PowerPoint for build of the week is going to be a bit of a challenge so
98:08
we'll be back in just a moment oh we can do that uh wait where are we right right
98:14
you've got it okay can't see our builds of the week this week are freaking
98:19
awesome so the first one is Arctic water from be negative and there's nothing
98:23
negative about it Holy balls so this was built for someone else
98:28
I think it was on the oc3d forums but like when you're building something for
98:32
someone else that is already on a tech Forum like you kind of know it's going
98:36
to be pretty awesome unbelievable I mean even replacing all of the connectors on
98:42
the PCI Express slots painting the Shroud on the Sabertooth board painting
98:48
memory hard piped copper tubing I mean
98:52
oh it's it's orgic and then once you go
98:55
to the next photo you can actually see even the ring on the Corsair fans
98:59
different accent points on the saber-tooth motherboard like what a
99:04
beautiful machine attention to freaking detail what an absolutely beautiful Ma
99:09
Grill here wow and it's the one system
99:13
I've ever seen where the stock Crossfire break looks like it's not completely out
99:16
of place it's pretty awesome next up this
99:20
one's been in the works for a long time from P Banes the custom water cooled
99:25
desk boom so cool and then one thing
99:29
that I always worry about with these des and actually we talked about this in one
99:33
of my private little not private but my solo live streams a while ago when this
99:39
was in production which we brought this up and everyone instead of me playing a game was just looking at this build
99:43
which is ridiculous but I brought up something that always worries me about these taller desk builds which is like
99:48
where do you put your leg what it means is like the uh the the tallness of the
99:51
height here yeah so it's like where do you put your legs and then how do your
99:55
arms like if it's tall enough your legs are your arms up here and he has a photo
99:59
of it and he actually kind of slots in fairly well okay and then he also
100:03
brought up that he's going to be putting his keyboard and mouse probably on a tray anyways right okay so that totally
100:08
makes sense that's just a wicked build
100:11
look at that sleeving and these I love
100:14
that nice straight runs of of um a vinyl
100:19
tubing or a flex tubing look outstanding
100:23
they look so good oh all them right
100:26
angles and man and he was even super super super careful about the color of
100:31
his coolant too it's crazy that's not the last picture oh oh okay one more
100:35
it's not like a super crazy picture of the insides but I just wanted to show
100:39
how like he actually does kind of fit now it's pretty tight but he did say
100:43
that he's going to he's kind of a bigger guy you can you can tell looking at him
100:46
so some for someone like me my legs would be too low and my arms would be
100:51
here yeah but it seems to kind seems to kind of work for him which is very very
100:55
awesome what a great build yeah seriously abely super stoked to see it
100:58
finished so guys I think that's pretty much it for the W show this week thank
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you so much for tuning in and uh again
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big thanks to our sponsor Hotspot Shield for making this episode possible so
101:10
without further Ado peace out we'll see you again next week
101:15
byebye oh that makes sense that that didn't work so that Network Target yeah
101:20
awesome so did it just crash oh no we're
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here