welcome to the W show everyone we've got a fantastic show for you here today in
fact I was I was a little bit surprised because when we were going through the
topics for this week a couple days ago I was like oh it's not a ton really yeah
well compared to last week when we had all the things to discuss that was that
was just like crazy as all balls uh but this week is turning out to look
actually pretty darn good our special guest today is elrick from Tech of
Tomorrow formerly from motherboards.org maybe we can poke him a little bit and
see if we can get him to actually you know what let's not let's not dig up the
past let's not dig up the past but we've got elri joining us today for our guest
segment and I'd love to do a preview of the topics we've got today so number one
guys is lock up your daughters and sons
and um Badgers because Minecraft will
turn your kids into gunslinging knife
toting violent violent people people I
can't believe this got out Minecraft with GTA 5 like I
know like the timing is hilarious the timing is fantastic more on that later
guys cheating in Android benchmarks is definitely a thing so we are going to
discuss the state of the Android ecosystem and what cheating means to
Consumers and manufacturers and why it
gets done when they get caught every
time this is the same we've seen on the PC platform seen it on the PC we'll see
it again on smart watches quote me on
that that's it's true what else we got uh we've got control delete was a
mistake admitted by Bill Gates kind of an interesting little conversation that
happened there and steam machine specs unveiled by xi3 and valve and the the
valve steam machine specs that were unveiled were the Prototype ones that are going in kind of all over the place
so and yeah all over the place all right so why don't we kick things off
with the intro
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news item of the week which is actually a pretty minor a pretty minor item it's
just more of a funny thing yeah it's so
Bill Gates admits this was posted on the Forum by snow Comet Bill Gates admits
control alt delete was a mistake and blames
IBM so first of all control alt delete
as far as key combinations Go I mean that's kind of like saying alt f4 was a
mistake except that it's not because control alt delete in in Microsoft's
mind should have been one button yeah and at the time the functionality was to
restart your computer uh it's evolved over time and we still have it today and
then the other functionality of course at the time was to prove that you were a
human being sitting in front of a computer now from a security standpoint
that's not a very good proof was it was it ever effective
though uh I I can't see a way that it
could have been but maybe someone better than me knows a way that it could have
been because I from my standpoint you can just you can just mimic those key
presses like it's not a big deal so control delete if they'd had their way
would been a single button which would have saved us how many billions of
keystrokes over the last few years um
basically the original article was from The Verge so you can go ahead and check
it out over there but pretty much he was giving a talk and everyone kind of had a
good laugh about it the IBM keyboard designer just kind of refused to refused
to implement it which which honestly in my opinion I have no real problem with
like it's it's the least big deal ever
yeah we just thought that was kind of funny so we're not going to spend too much time on it let's go ahead and move
into our next topic it's I don't know it's just I I think the thing about it
that sticks out most to me is how these Legacy things just keep carrying forward
and carrying forward to the point where control delete has very different
functionality today and you have to basically be in the BIOS or in like a
pre- Windows environment for it to even reboot your computer but what you can do
is you can bring up the task manager you can lock the computer and there's um and
some places still use it to authenticate
that it is an actual user sitting in front of the PC uh server login you
still have to control delete server logins um one thing I think is
interesting though is is like if if that didn't happen if the mistake quote
unquote didn't happen how many like key things like there's so many people I
know that can do it without looking without having hands on the keyboard and
just go boom and just hit it and like they there was that thing before where
someone made a fake little keyboard that was just control delete and they were
like this is all you need to use Windows like all that stuff the like the like
cult following that control delete has to be completely honest like well if
they had one key if there was like the uh would it have been the same though if
there was like the O balls key or something like that that might that
might have been all right probably yeah but uh but yeah yeah we love it uh let's
go ahead and move into our next topic this is actually one that is um that
hits pretty close to home for me because here in here in Canada we have um oh no
I actually was okay let's talk about a couple different things that are going
on with smartphones in the EU so this isn't exactly new but I just I just want
to talk about this because it's something that I personally feel quite
strongly about and that is that the EU this was on BBC plans to end mobile
phone roaming charges so this would be implemented by
2016 and in 2014 it would be eliminating
roaming charges for incoming calls and as someone who lives in Canada we don't
have the greatest mobile phone rates we
also don't have the worst ones I mean I
pay about $100 a month for my business plan that includes 5 gigs of data
basically unlimited calling for all intents and purposes it includes us
calling when I'm at home which is great because you'd be amazed how many people
just don't want to bother with Skype and want to talk on the phone and most of
the people we work with are in the US so I would be paying a fortune in long
distance if I didn't have that kind of a plan and
it's really not that bad it's 100 bucks
a month but the thing that kills you so I was over in Hawaii for about eight
days $6 a Meg yeah is the roaming charge
I think it's something like 75 cents a text and to me the uh this is this is
this is basically like to me the only excuse for this kind of behavior and
these kinds of charges is like you know the back room
of you know a lady Club where there's
like fat dudes with cigars sitting around going like you know like placing
bets on the table for how much they think that people would be willing to
pay in roaming charges and I mean even roaming plans where it's like yeah $50
gets you you know a a 100th of what you
normally have access to with your regular plan while you're on the go
there's no reason that it has to be done
and I really applaud the EU for being progressively thinking when it comes to
these infrastructure items that that I think unify people and I think they make
they make travel and they make the the global economy more more of a thing
where travel can become less expensive um in in every way whether it's whether
it's planes or trains or hyper Loops or you know okay so Elon Musk isn't
building the hyperloop but I uh anyway I
I really I really admire that I think it's fantastic there's interesting stuff
too because you'd automatically think when you go roaming somewhere that you should pre- purchase the roaming plan
because it'll save you all the danger one of my friends when we went down to Pax pre- purchased the roaming plan it
was $40 yeah I didn't took all the hits
and was still totally fine and under $40 it was still really expensive and stupid
so it's just like would you like to bend over the couch or would you like to bend
over the bed it's totally up to you as long as you bend over and take it from
your Telco um now there are challenges associated with this because you're
asking for Telos to cooperate uh in the EU it's going to require uh Wireless
providers to have I think it yeah the proposals must be approved by the 28 EU
members and they also have to have permission to to operate and and conduct
business so to speak in all those countries I think there's going to be a lot of consolidation in the market where
the the the large players in the larger markets whether it's Germany or uh the
UK are going to have a huge leg up on
the smaller providers in the smaller EU countries and I think it's going to put
a lot of people out of business and there are problems with all of this but
uh I think that it has to happen at some point and I would love it if even Canada
and us got together and cooperated I'm
surprised it hasn't happened yet well of course it hasn't happened because
whether it's Verizon or Bell or Rogers or AT&T they all love damn roaming
charges that's true they all but but with everything else that Canada and US
does together I'm actually going surprised that's not one of them well
it's it's one of those things where it takes a government mandate to make Telos
cooperate with each other have you seen well cooperate with each other above
board right right so have you seen all that stuff lately the Canadian
government attacking wireless companies uh their web page whatnot what not I
didn't bother put that in the thing because we've talked too much we've talked a lot enough about that but like
it's it's yeah they're kind of mad which good yeah that's good that's good I'm
glad we need more government regulation on the Telecommunications guys because
it is getting ridiculous So speaking of
government regulations and sometimes them getting involved in things that
they don't fully understand uh this one
is new it was posted by Bam Bam LLY on the Forum the EU wants every smartphone
and tablet to charge by micro USB so the
original article was on the verge as posted by our our for member who is
helpfully putting in his sources and I
agree with the idea that every
smartphone should use a universal standard but what I disagree with is
that the that micro USB should be it so
um let's get into it shall we I'm just just go I'm just up okay I'm
gonna start this by saying I've been called out a little bit over the last
week or so because I did tweet about this a little bit where people are
saying okay well Linus's quotes about how fragile micro USB is are from some
company that didn't have it validated by a third party and Etc so let's set aside
the quotes for now guys hit us on
Twitter simple yes no have you ever had
a micro USB connection fail I want that
to be the first answer and then yes no have you ever had a full-size USB or a
mini B connection fail so your your post
should read uh no no if you've never had anything fail yes no if you've had this
one and not this one and yes yes if you've had both of them fail guys hit us
on Twitter we're going to go through your thoughts but my problem is I have
personally had micro USB fail and not okay it's valid not I'll let you talk in
a minute it's validated for a thousand plugs or something like that the problem
I have is how fragile physically the
connector is can be validated for whatever you want but in the real world
we don't carefully plug it in and unplug it we don't even plug it in quickly
straight and unplug it straight we run into situations where our phones are
dead we really need a charge we're on the go we take a portable battery Bank
we plug it into it we Jam the whole thing in our pocket that is the real
world especially in this day and age of
cell phones that don't last for a week on battery like they did when I first
got a cell phone we've moved so far backwards to the point where when I'm
heavily using my HTC1 I might have to charge it a couple times in a day
talking really heavy use I burned through 20% of my battery in about 15
minutes today when I had tethering on and I was using it for navigation and
this the the screen was on they go fast so micro USB is fragile even if it is
reliable or whatever other term you want to use for it lasting a long time
so with all of that said I don't have an
alternative connector I like better I I actually well okay I don't think Min USB
BB was that bad if you actually
objectively look at them and compare them they are not that different the
only real difference on a modern cell phone implementation even on something
like the HTC1 would be that you'd get less of less less of a of of a sort of
support around it which I find that that connector doesn't need as much with that
said the internals of the connector are
bulkier but they could have moved it closer to the center and that could have
still worked so okay maybe maybe Mini isn't the answer but I would rather they
develop a more rugged standard as opposed to just making the making us
standardize on this fragile connector to
play against your question that you're putting on Twitter a USB like standard
USB is obviously a lot better and could
never be put on a phone and that's ridiculous so that doesn't matter phone
blocks my magical phone could have like an interface
module that would be awesome if you could be
like no this is my power connector um I
want to use an AC wall outlet bulkiness
of the phone be damned it's going to be this thick and it's going to run on AC
power okay like standard computer yeah anyways um and then mini B like no one
ever uses so your metric there standard
micro USB is going to have a whole bunch of people that use it every camera a
whole bunch of people using it for different devices every
camera tiny much smaller well it's dead
now but it used to be much more popular main
onas yes which were the portable Electronics of the time and not nearly
as many people had a freaking camera as
they have smartphones so the metrics do not line up so your one side is has way
more population than your other side and it's not a Fair competition okay fine
and you know what I'm going to Devil's Advocate myself a little bit here
because I did run into a situation this
very week twice where I found myself
wishing that my Pebble which is Awesome by the way doesn't have Micro USB I lost
the magnetic connector which is awesome I love magnetic Chargers I lost it twice
once when I wanted to shoot the original unboxing I had left it at home and I was
like oh balls because I could have run around anywhere in the in the studio
here and grabbed a micro USB cable chucked it in the box and pretended that
was the one it came with and it would have saved me a lot of time but I
couldn't cuz it uses a proprietary cable and then again when Brandon needed to
shoot the B- roll for it but then but then in your defense you're not against
the unification of the cable it's you're against micro USB so that's not actually
we could have like a magnetic USB standard cable yeah so that's not really
like that's not really a point to G bring it on because there will be teething pains in any transition I mean
micro USBs remember when we never used to have enough of those yeah um there
will be teething pains but if we could have a standard that that just Falls
away when you trip on it like a magnetic connector that would be amazing
amazing all right so let's go ahead and see what kind of results we got on that
there Twitter Blitz I don't know how many people have followed the instructions because a lot of people are
just like oh they're doing a Twitter Blitz I'll use this as an opportunity to say something completely unrelated oh
working pretty well so there we go people hey people are people are doing it so we've got wow this browser is
being a big giant pile of poo it is
lagging out so hard all right so yes no
uh no no wow yeah I can't I can't even do this so so far of the people who
haven't had like nothing die on them we have three for micro and one for mini we
have another no for both we have Twitter
being or not Twitter but Chrome being a big pile of junk all right another one
for micro another one for micro no for both micro but not mini no for both yes
to both no micro but yes mini yes to
micro no to mini yes to micro no to Mini
so okay let's say let's say yeah and
it's it's lagging out again this is this is ridiculous we're going to have to switch browsers we'll find some time to
do that in a moment but mostly you guys
are saying that micro USB breaks on you more often but again as Luke was saying
yeah it's skewed because there's a much larger much larger install base for
micro that being said I've used a lot of both and I've only had micro USB fail on
me like I I'm just for me the problem isn't the cable so much as the
receptacle yeah and on something like a phone where
we're talking a $600 plus piece of electronics where it has this one
failure point where if it if you if you bump it once it's completely dead and
there's no repairing it yeah and and like every once in a while you'll find
that device that comes with a cable and that device and that cable like click
together and it feels really good and you're like oh that's going to be solid forever and it is and then you go to
plug in like a random USB or even the one that comes with your phone I found
sometimes and you plug it in and you can like move the whole phone like
oscillating around where the actual plug is in is like that's not going to work
for very long it's like oh come
on like I don't know you can see it coming a lot of the time and then then
like you said putting in your pocket kills it a lot of time too all right so let's do one more major topic before we
bring our guest on apparently you didn't even get back to them about having not
done the test call do you do you have them added on uh I thought I sent on
voice chat okay if you have to go for a couple minutes and I'll handle this
topic on my own and make sure you just kind of get that figured out I just replied to the email so here we go guys
parents actually you know what I'll save that one I'll save that one to talk
about with you all right this was a post on the Forum a long time ago and Kind of
a Funny Story here was um Slick's been
using the priority inbox in Gmail um
basically since lonus Media Group was formed and only realized this week that
I don't know what would you say about half of the emails you get from me have
not been being flagged as priority at least at least 25% okay so let's say at
least a quarter of them so guys priority inbox if you don't already know I really
don't recommend using it I found it makes a lot of things escape from you
um so oh okay you weren't cced I guess so that's a bit of a problem so
basically with this article was actually posted on the lineus tech chips Forum by
queak back in June and it was something that I emailed I was like hey we should
uh we should talk about this on the WAN Show so load line calibration or vrou um
sort of vrou compensation is something that many motherboard manufacturers have
implemented in order to potentially stabilize overclocks however it's one of
those things where the motherboard manufacturers put it on there extreme
overclockers do tend to use the setting from time to time but if you ask most of
the motherboard guys or you ask in they'll say well you know what it's part
of the Intel spec so we'd really recommend that you leave it on and what
happens is when your CPU goes under load
the motherboard actually drops the amount of voltage it's delivering to the
CPU this does a couple of things it reduces heat output and it also improves
longevity of the CPU and reduces power
consumption the flip side of that is if you set a voltage to your CPU with the
objective of making it stable at higher clock speeds like if you're overclocking
you don't necessarily want your motherboard dropping the voltage when
you're in a load under a heavy load or intensive situation because well I told
you I wanted the voltage and I wanted the power and you're turning it off on
me so this article was just done by one
of our for members it's not the most scientific thing I've ever seen but
basically he took some time and used a rampage for extreme and a 3930k to test
with a digital multimeter what the actual ual settings were of what was
actually being delivered to a CPU on that board with different loadline
calibration settings and I thought it was absolutely fascinating just because
there's some pretty interesting stuff
going on it has a huge effect on the voltages that your CPUs are going to be
running at whether it's uh whether it's at idle or whether it's at load and it
is definitely worth a read it'll be posted in the wow document after the
show but if not you can always search on the forum for load Das line calibration
why overclocker should care and you can check out that article little little tip
if if you want to search on the Forum just go to Google and do like lineus Tech tips and then the line calibration
forum and it'll probably come up better cuz our search sucks I know the search
is terrible it is we're hoping that they fix it in IPS version 4 which is in
Alpha right now and we will not be beta testing yeah no more beta testing for
software um you know what we've got a little bit more time so Warcraft the
movie is coming out on December
18th okay there's a couple different ways this can go people were stoked so
hard on what was it advent children or whatever they called that first Final
Fantasy movie uh what was it yeah I that
was at least one of them I can't remember I don't know if that was the first one I I watched about 30% of it
and I was like this is the most boring stupid thing that I've ever seen I kind
of expected that the CG okay the okay the problem is that
okay at that time I hadn't played a Final Fantasy game since like Final
Fantasy 6 so I was expecting a story
that wasn't just like the stupidest thing ever um like I I was expecting it
to be more than just a tech demo and it really wasn't I was incredibly
disappointed I was at a friend's house and we were watching it together and I
was just like I'm going to go play Sims and that was the one time I ever sat
down and played The Sims because I was
that bored was was that I I can't remember the names cuz I'm dering right
now but was that the Final Fantasy movie where she has to go find uh she's trying
to find plant life I don't even remember man like it was terrible I didn't mind
the one where she has to go find plant life so Warcraft movie could end up
being like just a tech demo for CGI and
um but it's blizzard but it's blizzard
so it also could end up having like the best story ever and launching an an
entire series of movies and a franchise yeah that could be amazing I'm a huge
fan of the warcraft floor like I love
the warcraft floor and I linked something in this document so you guys
can check it out later which is a compilation of HD remakes of all of the
cinematics not like cutcenes but cinematics from Warcraft 3 and like
they're epic everything's epic like when
when when arthus is succeeding you and stabs you the guy's thing and his crown
rolls down the stairs like that's so ridiculous ly epic and I expect it to be
more like fighting and War and epic
scenes and stuff like that than I would expect from the Final Fantasy so if
someone could pull this off would it be blizzard then I I think so because we
also saw um Prince of Persia cuz Square's whole thing was was cinematics
and being awesome at cutcenes and making them epic even though you know the games
themselves particularly these days don't necessarily have a whole lot of meat to
them see but then they've been moving away from them and they've been moving away from that so so okay and and like
um there was Prince of Persia okay but then Prince of Persia I think tried to
be its own thing too much okay and this
I think they're just going to embrace it and be like nope this is Warcraft well
Blizzard's good at Blizzard's good at that I mean you know what this was actually uh when I when I was oh man it
was awesome when I was just kind of hanging out having drinks with Chris
Roberts yeah that happened I don't think I told you that yet we haven't talked
much about this I'm like I told you in an email it's probably the most jelly
I've ever been so anyway so he was all like yeah you know I think the thing we
did wrong on the wing Commander movie was that we tried too hard to make it
its own thing yeah instead of just making it to embrace your community
making it Wing Commander so if if blizzard does this um starring Colin
Ferell which is going to be uh which is going to be awesome I eventually a
feeling it's going to just be all voice actors though December 18th
2015 um I'll go see it yeah me too I
don't think I've seen a movie on launch day since Avatar and before that oh no I did see
uh Deathly Hallows on launch day deathly Hallow's part two Return of the King no
no I think that was me yeah okay so that was your last one I think so okay well
here why don't we make a pack let's go see this sure we'll get a big group
together we'll go all the lus we'll have a lonus Media Group outing and we'll go
see the Warcraft movie guys um are you as stoked as us on this I got to get the
twitch chat going on my laptop here because I am I am am I am just I'm sorry
guys I've abandoned you here I just like yeah seriously like the amount of time
that I've spent playing Warcraft 3 and the amount of time that I've spent
playing wow should be like criminal are
we ready for our special guest I'm I'm still waiting for the friend request and
then we'll be good to go all right he's jumping on right now
so it shouldn't be too long all right jumping on right now why don't we go ahead and just go for our one troll news
item I I really don't think this is going to take that long halflife 3
confirmed huh huh so they registered a
trademark for half lifee 3 but it's just trademarking the name and at an almost
exact same time they registered the the steam symbol in in the
EU so so I personally think it's just
trying to drive hype towards valve I think it has nothing to do with anything
and I think anyone who's reading anything into this other than they don't
want someone else to make the game halflife three and be put in a position
where they can't really say anything about it I think that's all that's going
on right now um yeah yeah yeah I I honestly think it
it like you're definitely right I think it it might have had something to do
with the timing of the other stuff that's going on because it's it drove a
huge amount of more interaction to go along with their steam box and all this
kind of stuff because even in that thread you can scroll down and see someone that posted a picture of steam
box with the controller with half lifee 3 bundle buy it for whatever like like
there's there's it drove interaction directly for steam box and the other or
Steam Machines sorry and the other stuff that they're releasing so the timing may
have been interesting but they also just had to freaking patent the name CU they
had to right well trademark is different from patent to be very clear to be very
clear um so I I actually do get a kick out of the fact that it's a new human
avatar on the guy the guy who posted it on Yoap so yeah yeah ultimate ultimate
troll Avatar right there how close are we here I still hasn't added me up um
haven't gotten an email recently all right cool cool probably just getting
hopefully we'll have this going very very soon uh add me on Skype yep hopping
on Skype in a second okay that's good so let's move along to you know what guys
hit us with a Twitter Blitz of maybe some questions for El I'll take some
time and uh introduce him if you aren't already familiar with El from Tech of
tomorrow he's done a wide variety of different stuff uh started up
motherboards.org about 1 billion years ago without taking a crack at him for
his age uh he's been doing the whole Tech media thing for longer than I have
known what a CPU is so the guy's got a ton of experience his new YouTube
channel Tech of Tomorrow is actually growing faster than motherboards.org
ever did and I think it really shows um
what creators are able to do when they shed the shackles of corporate
involvement or when they aren't forced anymore to focus as much on uh the
business side of things and are instead allowed to focus on the creation side of
things I mean we've seen similar success with lonus tech tips growing at a much
faster rate than it used to be back when I had to deal with my full-time job so
Tech of Tomorrow is his show he's on Twitter at oballs okay I can't remember
but if you search for Tech of Tomorrow Twitter on Google which is actually how
I usually find people because Twitter does a terrible job of autocomplete you
know what really really drives me insane this is like kind of an offshoot but
when you go on Twitter and type in there's the search box and I'm like lius
and then press down once because it's currently searching for you and then
press enter and it comes up with instead of going to you it just does like a
search for if I just did l n u it would
do a search for Linux and it's like no actually I want the
thing that you were showing a millisecond previously which was lonus
it's oh man there's some stuff about Twitter that drives me crazy I have
recently started using Instagram because Twitter pictures break
constantly you know what I've actually found that too there's better support
when you click especially on the mobile app when you click on a Twitter picture
link it just goes nowhere it doesn't work so now if I use Instagram it
actually loads like I have no interest in actually using Instagram I used to
use it a long time ago I didn't even bother make a new account I was just like
whatever it'll work and like I I don't
want to promote it I don't want to do anything I don't care if anyone follows it because everything that I ever post
on Instagram will always just push to Twitter I have no interest because it's
just the only reason why I'm using it so actually freaking load all right we've
got another little bit of troll news here this is uh this is pretty funny
while we stall for time some more so uh are we are we ready to rock okay so get
things get things going over there we need our headsets that's right yeah
um on Indiegogo the AI
Smartwatch is uh is a is a smartwatch
that I I watched their I watched their video about sort of two minutes in and I
kind of went yeah okay you know what the real secret to a successful Kickstarter
or Indiegogo campaign seems to have less to do with the idea and the product and
more to do with having a really slick video and I was looking at it going yeah really guys I don't know if uh I don't
know if this is going to work so what we got a kick out of and this was pointed
out by one of our community members was that it is as featured in who hold on a
second what's that down there what's what's this right here as featured in
Linus Tech tips so Luke's looking at this going
what I don't remember this I don't remember making a video about this you
know what's funny too is I watched the uh video and um it was just it was music
that we paid for off Melody Loops but they used the same music that we use in
one of our Techquickie videos in there indgo I recognize that as well um so
what it turned out to actually be was a
uh a post on the lonus tech tips Forum
that like one dude who looks like a legit member of The Forum so it's not
just them it's you better not who I've seen around like 2,000 posts saying oh
that's pretty cool but that small interface and then nobody ever replied
and like it's not even a bad post just no one ended up replying good post just
um it wasn't really featured on Linus
Tech tips in the same way that that Indiegogo page would imply that it was
featured online as Tech tip so we're getting our call with El going I've had
the pleasure of meeting El a couple times the first time we met in person
was at CES this year and I remember us
say saying hey we got to you know get
together and like do something and then we just never managed to make it happen
so is he is he on are we good are we live I'm here hey hey welcome to the
show all right so I kind of introduced
you a little bit but why don't you tell the audience what you're about as if any
of them don't know who you are already cuz I'm pretty sure they do I don't know
man I'm like the feel like the old man in the tech business I've been doing
this like since the day it started um I've been into gaming and computers and
electronics ever since I was a little kid so like doing this for me it just
seems to be like the natural way of my life I really love doing what I'm doing
and I don't really see myself doing anything else and it's great to see so
many other young people doing it nowadays like I've been doing it back
when there was only like one or two sites now there's just so many people out there doing their own thing and it's
just awesome you know a lot of people feel like guys like you and me or um you
know the new egg TV guys or whatever are competitors and I'd like you to take a
moment and address that in your own words because I think you put it pretty
well yeah I mean there really is no
competition between anybody I'll admit that like when I first got into it I
used to kind of look around and look at everybody's numbers and what are you
know what I could do to get better and all this but then I just kind of just started like doing my own thing paying
attention to what I was doing and learning really to like more and less
buddy up with everybody um for a long time it seems like a lot of the PC
people all wanted to be like an island they just you know they were afraid to Shar any their ideas afraid to work
together and I've really noticed that over the years the Mac guys have never
done that and so I really myself started adopting more of their kind of an
outlook on things work with everybody work together and just be one big happy
family instead of being an island all by yourself trying to do this absolutely I
agree 100% I mean it it still kind of is funny to me when people post on my video
that you know El's the best tech host or they post on your video that lonus is
the best and you know what guys we really don't see it that way uh we see
ourselves as and and this is sort of my take on it is that I see every other you
YouTuber who is doing Tech on YouTube or
making videos on YouTube and making a living out of it as a testament to the
solidity of the platform and the legitimacy of what we're doing here I
think every other Tech YouTuber that's approaching sponsors and trying to you
know get sponsorship or you know get access to the samples that we need in
order to bring you guys timely content is great because it brings attention to
YouTube and to video that we otherwise wouldn't be getting if it was just one
dude talking about it to them so I I think it's fantastic yeah I just think
it's funny because they leave comments like oh hey he did it before you or so
and so did it before you and I see those same comments on their channels when I
do when they don't realize that we all are just doing our own thing and when it
hits it hits speaking of things that are
hitting this was an article that is on Tech PowerUp now I don't know what your
NDA obligations are but I do have some with respect to the upcoming Radeon
graphics cards so I want to keep the discussion pretty much narrowed in from
my side on what I've already seen posted in other places but Tech PowerUp posted
some benchmarks of the Radeon R9 290x
which we already know this isn't under NDA is going to be their new Flag ship
card based on a new GPU and we saw some
interesting results here so there's rumored specs in here as well but we see
a trading blows with the Titan so give me give me your thoughts on radon 290x
well for me I'm just really glad to see AMD getting something that's new for the
people that out there that have been supporting them I mean they've had their
cards on the market for a long time we did see the 7990 hit the market but it
doesn't seem like it got very favorable results since the price is like almost
next to giving it away now compared to some of the cards that are coming out but um I'm really looking forward to it
and if these guys can actually get the price point down below the Titan and
even if it doesn't beat the Titan if it can even come anywhere near the Titan be
hundreds of less fans are going to be embracing that and enjoying it and being
a reviewer myself and you know what it's like when you get new tech stuff then
you have [ __ ] to really talk about when you're on your 10th card of your launch
you're like okay it's the 10th card but now this is fresh this is exciting and
I'm looking forward to it and I know the AMD fans are looking forward to it as
well I'm I'm super stoked and to bring in the pricing thing new egg had their
little yes there was a little snafu on New Egg I don't know if you saw this or
not but go go ahead so so they had a pre-order listed and uh uh whenever this
happens there's always that dude that decides to go check out like the the the
code for the Forum or or for the Forum or web page or whatever it is there's
always that dude that goes and finds whatever that isn't supposed to be there
so $700 plus but then they could pull a
switch R like has happened in the past NVIDIA did it with GTX 680 where pricing
was going to be $6.99 and launch day boom it was $5.99 so they shocked
everyone from AMD to their retailers to their partners with a much more
aggressively priced part than we were expecting um based on what we've seen
from the leaked benchmarks on Tech PowerUp performance looks very close to
the Titan however I would take these results with a ginormous grain of salt
of salt yes not only because it's pre-release but I mean come on okay elri
how many times have you run surround benchmarks only to discover that it is a
freaking nightmare yeah it's most of the time just getting
the setup on its a pain the but you can get it done but those numbers to me are
a little bit questionable right out of the gate I'm waiting till we really see what goes on with it I mean now now I
really do think though that the card is going to be very very competitive AMD
wouldn't have held their card so close their sleeve if they didn't have something that was going to come out to
compete and these guys are known to be the price competitors so if they just
play their cards right AMD can do a serious damage to the market especially
here around the holiday season a play their cards
oh hey sorry man I love that I didn't
catch that what happened here guys you guys sound like you fell off the planet did you guys fall
over no I was just I was I was laughing I love that play your cards right oh
that's fantastic so rumored specs has
the die size was a double
whammy rumored specs have the die size of the 290x at higher than the 7970 now
we saw AMD revise their y significantly
with the release of the 3870 where NVIDIA remained committed to
the gigantic monolithic GPU that was
extremely expensive to engineer produced a lot of heat and was extremely
expensive to build and put on cards when AMD said no our strategy is going to be
multi-GPU for the future we're going to build smaller gpus and our Flagship part
will always be two of them together do you see a larger die than what we saw on
Cayman XT which was the 7970 7950 series
as a departure from that strategy and what does this mean to be honest with
you lonus during that a lot of that last thing I couldn't hear most of it would
it I'm sorry apologize everybody can can you resay a lot of it because I couldn't
hear you guys it broke up really bad on the Skype connection oh shoot sorry
about that okay so do you see AMD's new
GPU which is rumored to be much larger than the 7970 GPU in terms of die area
do you see that as a as an admission of defeat on their strategy of having two
smaller gpus so 387x 2 48 7x2 two
smaller gpus together make up their high-end
strategy um I I think that AMD is just trying to stick to what they know best
and trying to like get the technology to be smaller and smaller and smaller
always causes some type of problems these guys right now really just wanted
to get a cards and cards out there that could seriously compete with NVIDIA
since we guys all know the Titans so far just suck the market up so I think AMD
is just trying to really stick to what they know right now I think in launches
that we see next year with new stuff we'll see them go back to that again but
I think right now they're just trying to really stick with what they
know yep I agree I agree 100% now I
wanted to move on to this as a separate topic but I guess this Segways in really
really well do you feel like NVIDIA has
been holding back for the last last two years um yes for a fact I mean everybody
that I see at NVIDIA is constantly on vacation like you guys all know Del
Rizzo every time I see him he's on vacation with his husband around the world sending me a postcard saying hey
we love the world if the company really wanted to be that competitive I think
we' be see these guys doing a lot more launching and a lot more talking about
their product they seem to be right now in cruise control just kicking back and
waiting to see what AMD's move is now of course oh sorry go ahead we called this
out like a while ago actually we we've called this out repeatedly because we
just we've we've known they've been sitting on this chip for so long just
going oh here's another little bit oh there's another little bit you that's
all you need don't worry about it they're just kind of sitting there so for those of you who aren't familiar
with the history GTX Titan or gk10 is
the code name it's the same GPU that's in GTX 780 the rumor was that that was
always supposed to be the successor to
the GTX 580 That was supposed to be the GTX 680 but the rumor the word on the
street is that NVIDIA saw how poorly
7970 performed and remember this was AMD strategy of smaller cores and then
putting two of them together for the highend which they didn't even manage to
do until a year plus into that product launch um so when NVIDIA saw how poorly
it performed they basically went well we don't even have to release this as a
GeForce GPU and they took what would
have been GTX 66 TI GTX 660 class of
product the gk104 GPU and turned that
into their high-end product and basically sat on
gk10 um you know deployed it in supercomputing applications Tesla and um
so so the the basically the rumor is that had NVIDIA or had AMD managed to
release something like R9 290x you know
uh a year and a half ago we would things would have been different we would have
seen we wouldn't have seen A1 thousand GTX Titan yeah yeah I agree with you
100% NVIDIA's had no reason to come back
up and swing and it really wouldn't make much sense for them either if they came
out with some card now that was super super fast they would put their
competitor almost completely out of business and that really wouldn't make
sense for them either they don't really want AMD to go anywhere they just want
to beat him and they're doing that and they don't have to do much like I said
before these guys would not be out on vacation and doing everything if they
wanted to compete they be in the lab talking to their engineers and talking
to all of us about something new I don't know about you folks but I haven't heard
about anything crazy new coming out and the the thing about I mean the thing
that the viewers need to understand because you know viewers a lot of the
time I feel like don't understand the market dynamics as well as they would if
they were part of the industry so the things that viewers need to understand
is that it costs a certain amount to make a card whether it's to engineer a
new chip or put a complicated VR design on it or a heat sink I mean the heat
sink on GTX 780 GTX Titan costs I think
something in the neighborhood of 70 to $80 that's a bomb cost on that heat sink
it's extremely expensive to produce something like that so there is an
actual cost to producing graphics cards um but lus it looks good man it does
look good and I love it but I mean everybody likes reference cards from
those guys for the first time ever NVIDIA made reference cards that people
actually wanted more than other cards that's a different change for those guys
for sure though so the perception from consumers that more competition just
drives pricing down is actually wrong more competition drives a product out of
the market potentially if it costs too much to continue to make it versus how
much they can actually sell it for compared to everything else that's out
there so if NVIDIA turned around and released Maxwell tomorrow which is their
upcoming architecture and it was twice as fast as the R9 series it's not like
they could charge you know uh $1,500 or
$2,000 for the top end card it might be lucrative in terms of the profit margin
on the card but it wouldn't be lucrative in terms of the volume they could turn
so it's a balancing act where AMD and NVIDIA are constantly playing this game
where they actually carefully unless they do something crazy like 8800 GT
they actually carefully slot in a new card so that it performs about like the
old ones except a slightly better value and it's and it makes sense uh we very
rarely see see the market completely upset these days so um from a business
standpoint if you can't get as much for
your card because people just don't have that much money as it would be worth
compared to everything else that's in the market and what your competitor can deliver why do you release something
new yeah for NVIDIA there's really no reason at all for them to release any
new product right now they can kind of cruise even with even if this card comes
out and it's really close they can still say in the long run hey our card's
faster we're going to charge that money and they can wait another generation to
launch their cards plus from what we've heard they do have two more cards that
are possibly going to be coming out so we may see something new from them very
soon why don't you give the details on those cards because we haven't talked about them at all hit
us um well there're supposed to be a single GPU card coming out and another
dual GPU card coming out from NVIDIA um the rumors are flying there's nothing
you know concrete that I've actually heard from them directly but we've seen
the leaks around the world so we know that something's definitely going to be
coming all all these guys are doing right now is sitting back once again
they're going to wait for the launch they're going to see how it affects them and then they'll make a decision if
there's nothing that they need to do they're going to even hold back on releasing any new cards until probably
we may see something right at the holiday season but if not it'll be in q1
of 2014 so I actually just linked to uh
your article here so the guys this is on Tech of tomorrow.com and the article is
NVIDIA cutting video card prices in October to compete with AMD with a
question mark on it you know allegedly you know rumored um rumor rumor that
question Mar where El basically says well look we might see a full-fledged
Titan not all of the SMX modules and cudic cores are enabled on the GTX Titan
right now we might also see and this has been rumored by NVIDIA themselves a dual
GK 110 GPU which would be
absolutely Benchmark crushing I mean I'd
love to see it I'd love to see it um with that said for all the viewers that
are kind of about to ask me and about to hit my PM inbox Lon is how do you think
it will perform the answer is very simple it'll per fast fast just like two
GK 110s in SLI on separate cards pretty
much like that so there there's not a whole lot of Special Sauce to to to go
on here but NVIDIA has actually contacted me and said hey you know get
ready to have these cards so they might be something that they have on paper
they might even have them but they're not yet really sharing them with the
market and saying hey these cards are for sure because believe me as soon as
they do you know we'll know well NVIDIA used to be
pure uh pure you know consumer graphics cards whereas you look at some of their
initiatives now something like grid
already uses dual gk10 gpus on a single
PCB so NVIDIA has become and you look at
Titan same thing become more about delivering an Enterprise solution and
trickling that technology down to the consumer which is a reversal from what
we saw from them before so I wouldn't be surprised if they are just sitting there
waiting for AMD to do something and they
just you know get a consumer friendly looking heat sink and redesign the io to
actually have some ports on it and release something along the lines of
that card now did you guys hear that all
of the two adx cards that are coming out they're not have any reference bottels
whatsoever I'm hearing I'm that every is supposed to have its own cooling from
the company so instead ofing a car with a stick on it I'm hearing that all of
the new 2x cards will be specifically designed by the company that's making
them you guys heard that as well I hadn't heard that but I do know that our
sample 290x um is a non-reference card
and I haven't heard of anyone who has gotten a reference card so while AMD did
have reference cards at the event in Hawaii um I haven't I haven't seen any
yet so that could very well be true with that said you know maybe this is a good
opportunity to talk about about what do you think of reference cards versus
non-reference cards because this is a question that we get a ton of um I think
really matters on like who is making the reference card because company will take
a reference card and Sor to sorry uh
sorry to interrupt we're getting a we're getting some some breaking up on the
call here can we try redialing you here let's try that one more time here
sorry guys our connection looks good the stream seems to be running just fine
still so um just for a minute just just
to be clear guys uh we still have our razor lower third down here but the
Razer comm's sponsorship is technically over and El had Skype on his machine so
we we decided to go that route so you're back right I'm
here but you still got that robot sound
I wonder what's going on here it sounds like you might be being dosed actually
would be my suspicion my coms broke that was
actually why I didn't use it but I can try and see if the hear
you yeah I think uh I think you might be
being dosed so um do you happen H okay let's see if
we can figure out what we can do isn't actually oh there we go hold on have we
got has has the connection dropped completely no we can hear him still
there okay well I'm here you know what why don't you go ahead and sort of we'll
see if we can power through and give us a you know what would be do
how good of a data plan do you have on your phone do you want to give us a call
from your phone on a mobile network and see if we can we can avoid
this um um I I suppose I I I'm in my
house I thought this was a good connection um they say that I'm getting
bsed or something yeah it's a it's a Skype bug
um there's really not a whole lot that can be done about it but anyone who knows your Skype ID uh is able to uh to
Dos you with impunity it was a problem we were running into on the W show where
our shows were getting shut down because someone who knew our Skype ID was was
shutting us down in fact that person that person's probably trying to Dos us
right now but don't worry we're using a very secret Skype ID that gets used for
nothing but this so um you know so I've
been I've been hacked basically yeah so you guys want
me to try to hang up this and then call you back is that saying
it's a little bit better now why don't you give us the reference versus non-reference card bit and let's uh let
try let's let's try it let's see if you can make it all right so check out
here's my way now in the past are you
guys still there oh yeah okay in the past I thought nid made some of the
worst reference coolers around you guys all know everybody called them lawnmowers and everything else they were
super loud in fact everybody kind of suffered from it do you remember the
7950
gx2 how can you not but but like but like I was saying
man like NV now makes a reference card that has a really nice cooler on and
many of the people on my will come to me and say Hey how do you get a hold of
that reference design exactly like that and that time it was really cool but
most of the time when companies just take and put some piece of plastic on it
and throw a sticker on it I mean I suppose that's it's okay if you're just
somebody throwing in a computer and not looking at it but most of the people I
think nowadays they game
oh boy yeah no he's uh definitely definitely being dosed so maybe maybe
try and bring the connection back in the meantime guys I would love for you to
hit us up on Twitter give us a Twitter Blitz of any questions you have for elri
that you'd like him to address live on the screen
um all right so let's go ahead and move into one of our other topics while we
try and get El back I've got someone asking me on uh on Twitter do you even
know what dos is it's just Skype being garbage uh the reality of it is skype's
service really just isn't actually that bad and uh yeah it's it's it's probably
not that so do we have you back are you back I am here I don't know how much you
guys got but I'm here all right you're back so uh we made it to you don't see
much of a value to board Partners just taking a reference design and slapping a
sticker on it uh versus actually designing their own card yeah most of
the time I don't really think that's good because I mean there somebody who
doesn't about your computer and you just want to throw it in there and play some
games you want a card that's going to look good it's going to be cool going to
have overclocking all that stuff and when these guys go out of their way and they make windforce twin frozer as6 when
they make this extra Cooling and go that extra mile it just seems to make the
card be a better card and look better and for the five or $ t0 do that you pay
a difference I think the people who take the time to do that are making a better
card now there are some people however who have contacted me like I said who
they really want to get their hands on the reference cards just like they look
from Nidia you can get those obviously from EVGA they have those but there are
still some people that just made a plastic shroud even for somebody these
newer cars and I don't really appreciate that I think it's better if you go out
of your way and take the time to make a better card you're not the reference guy
take the time to make a good card yep you know what I agree with you 100%
because there was a time a few years ago when you were looking at paying a lot of
the time for a non-reference card as much as you would pay for the next
better GPU so we were getting you know redesigned cards that are a lower tier
of product and then we were getting them sold to us at the price of a higher tier
product with performance that was about the same but they'd be overclocked
already and yeah you'd have a little bit more Headroom out of them but usually you were better off just buying a better
GPU in the first place whereas now it's like you said it usually costs like what
an extra 10 bucks 15 bucks to get something like a direct cu2 or a
windforce or um or a a twin froz card
that has better Cooling and in the case of direct cu2 in particular um ASUS has
done a great job of having completely non-reference redesign cards ready at
launch a lot of the time so I I think there's a very compelling value to be
had there the
only sorry we can't uh we we can't make
you out again but um you know what I
think uh we're we're getting we're getting some we're getting some some
complaints here on the stream about just how bad the voice quality is you know
what I'm sorry we might have to let you go El um is he is he still able to hear
me through probably not he can hear us fine yeah I hear you guys fine sorry
you're breaking up too bad so you know what um thank you so much for coming on
as a guest um since they can't really hear you I'll I guess what I'll have to
do is just kind of do your outro for you
hey I hope you can hear that
sorry man we got nothing you're gonna you're going to have to let's do it yeah
I I'll I'll cut it but do an outro for yeah okay so guys just so you know
that's elri he's got over 200,000 subscribers on the YouTubes which is all
the more impressive because he had to restart his channel he got a lot of
support from his viewers formerly on the youtube.com/ motherboard zorg Channel
they have flocked over there they have helped spread the word and it is now at
the point where Tech of Tomorrow has more subscribers than the
motherboards.org channel ever had and uh
he is he is definitely he's got faster growth than ever before and I think it's
I think it's a really cool um I think it's a really cool example of how
YouTubers can basically come back and
with the support of their communities can really make a go of it in spite of
some some really challenging stuff that happened uh quite a few months ago it
must have been about 10 months ago now to uh to El yeah it was cuz it was right
around the time that we went Indie so guys you can follow him at Tech tomorrow
on YouTube or you can go over to teof tomorrow.com and uh check him out so
parents Minecraft is um apparently a big
problem so this was a post on Kaku which
uh I mean oh come on okay so now we
heard it all Minecraft blamed in school
violence case it should be noted that the kid took an unloaded gun to school
and there was no there to to to give a little bit to the guy who's an idiot
there was no firing pin in the gun the kid should not have been able to get a
pistol with a with ammo but there at
least was no firing pin so there was no firing pin however the kid did have a
steak knife and a small handled sledgehammer so arguably as far as
things that we'd consider to be weapons go the only one was a gun and then as
far as things that we'd consider to be functional weapons go the sledgehammer
and the knife are probably actually the most potent out of everything with with
that said threatening with a gun is is a very big deal but the kid never actually
um didn't threatened anyone so so he had
them at school which is terrible and the kid basically says
well they use hammers to dig and knives and guns to protect themselves from
zombies this was the not the kid yeah
this was the wait what I'm pretty sure that was the dad was it not yeah that
was the dad so I thought Oh I thought you were saying that that was the radio
station so so when the dad was interviewed he clearly didn't have a
very clear understanding of how mcraft Works how Minecraft works because
digging is normally done with a shovel
or and Mining is done with a a pickaxe
or he doesn't understand how digging and Mining work because I don't know anyone who digs or mines with it so I mean
really what this calls into question is the um the uh uh the the comprehension
of situations of he's trying he he he
took his situation he sat there and went okay everything that went wrong was kind
of my fault now what is applicable that
I can throw poo at to make this look bad instead of me and just randomly was like
he plays viget game everyone blames VI games I'm going to blame VI games and I
mean I personally you know as a parent now I do I think that something like
Grand Theft Auto 5 is something that I want my kid playing the answer is no I
was I was going to say hopefully no the answer is no and you know what I don't
even I'm not even of the mind that you know at 16 or 18 necessarily that people
should be influenced by that kind of
media with that said there's worse out
there that isn't in a video game this much is true and with that said I'm a
pretty firm believer in the whole nurture versus nature and I lean more
towards the nature side do I believe that playing a violent video game takes
an otherwise fuzzy warm would never hurt a fly person and turns them into a
serial killer the answer is no do I think that some desensitization goes on
the answer is yes and you're you're basically wrong if you don't think that
desensitization is a thing but desensitization also doesn't make you do
anything it just makes you not necessarily react in crazy so the one
thing that that does bother me is I do think that there is probably potentially
and I'm putting a lot of stuff in here probably maybe po I think that if you
lean that way in the first place you might get a few interesting cool ideas
that you could go ahead and act on that you might not have otherwise thought of
but not really from Minecraft no not from Minecraft that's ridiculous nothing
like a sword and my thing was like a sword and a bow and arrow if you can
translate his whatever the the heck that he brought up what what kid didn't carve
their toast into a sword and sword fight with their brother like 100% what kid
doesn't go to camp and sharpen the end of a stick and like poke random things
you know sword fights or whatever like you're a kid yeah like come
on any media any book you've like ever
read ever has some sort of there's there's the the mice whatever that book
was called but the mice have little swords and shields and stuff like it's
it's just it's or whatever that Series
yeah like it's just anyway this doesn't deserve any more of our attention let's
move on to a yeah this surprised the
crap out of me I can't believe they're shipping Titans I had no idea that this
was the approach valve was going to take so they're talking about the prototypes
that they're going to send out 300 of to
Lucky folks who potentially very lucky
potentially very lucky folks who apply to participate in the Prototype test of
steam's steam box gaming console that's
going to have the Steam OS on it and there are okay so the 300 prototype
units will ship with the following
components some will have NVIDIA
Titans some will have GTX 780s some 6
70s and some 660s so we're talking mid-range to highend gpus I was really
expecting steam box to be more of a value oriented remember though what what
what I brought up last week is that Val
the steam box from valve if you buy a steam box from valve it's going to be
heavily customizable so it's going to be a desktop PC and it's going to come with
baller Hardware that's been the idea then everyone else will have size or um
value like price or or or low power
consumption that kind of stuff valve is going for the beast machine PCS which is
probably not going to sell as many in my opinion but so these are but I mean
valve has such brand Equity that they could could say well look no if you want
the Ultimate steambox Experience you can get it this way or you can go work with
a third party or you can build your own or whatever but we're valves so if you
want one built by us boom boom exactly and and something that's been
interesting is Boutique system Builders we kind of rag on it every once in a
while because it's so hard to effectively be a boutique system builder
this might be the only point in time where it makes sense because if you
build uh Steam Machines you're getting into an audience where they don't want
to build their own computer eventally yep and they want something that's not
an HP yeah so they want something that's built for that application so it might
make more sense the rest of the specs look great as well inel 4770s or 4570s
there's going to be some i3s storage is going to be at 1 TB8 gig hybrid sshd it
sounds like seates Drive um in all likelihood power supply will be an
internal 450 watt because valve actually
understands that you don't need a 1200 wat power supply even to power something like a Titan Al although 450 watt is
probably borderline for 4770 in a Titan
um and then finally 16 gigs of RAM so they are really going Balls to the walls
on the hardware here which leads us into unless you had something else to say
about valves prototype just just the Titan thing is that they're they're not
going to be U I don't think any of these
like I think what they're expecting is that if you're getting a prototype that
if you they're saying fully customizable right yeah so if you want to overclock
like crazy and do heavier things on it
that you could put in a bigger power probably it's fully customizable because
I think protype has to work out of the box I mean I think it'll work okay
that'll work all right so uh
xi3 to unveil the Piston so this is
apparently going to be shipping as soon as what was it mid November mid November
for folks who pre-ordered them a while ago and late November like the end of
November I think the 29th for folks who want to order one now so they are saying
okay it's a powerful gaming system however powerful is very relative it is
not that powerful compared to what valve will be shipping as prototypes because
this is going to be what I'd consider to be more like um more like a NextGen
console in terms of CPU power but the GPU power will actually be less this is
an APU based machine so here you can see
what it looks like um Apu based machine it'll be powerful for its
yeah it's tiny so it's 4 in by 4 in by 4
in um their website has a bunch of different pictures on it including a
dude wearing it as like a backpack so you can see that right here and wearing
what looks like a VR device and a interesting because of certain things
that don't make sense but kind of Epic if you can make it work that'd be
awesome like there's no battery or they haven't I I looked like crazy I spent a
really long time on this topic because I was digging through everything trying to
find if there's a battery I'm like how is this guy wearing it in the backpack okay here's my here's my suggestion I
would suggest that it uses DC in because
it's going to be relatively low power and if that were the case you saw that
huge external battery that edel bought right uh 25,000 milliamp battery you
could buy a half a dozen of them daisy chain them and you could it's if you
look in my notes I was saying something I would love to do is throw this in a
backpack with a huge pile of batteries and then go to and something I thought
of this is we always have our like crazy off-the-wall theories so this is one of
mine um is you could go into a paintball Arena or a uh laser tag arena and have
that space mapped out into the thing and
then go around with a gun where you Oculus Rift and have fake enemies all
over the place that would be how epic or even better yet real enemies real enem
but then you have to have you you would just have to have some sort of uh like
positional tracking on the back could where they were Oculus in its
current form where you connect it to a desktop PC is fascinating but it's
everything else that's going to be super cool this is going to be just freaking
insane so okay so the Piston can power up to three displays who cares because
the GPU is just plain not that powerful it's going to have I think 8 gigs of RAM
in its stock configuration uh it's an APU it start
with 128 gab SSD but you can upgrade to two 512s y so those are just standard
MSA drives super small tons of IO so 12
usb2 ports DisplayPort mini DisplayPort all kinds of great stuff so you can
see what they've got planned there uh sorry four of them were USB 3.0 ports
and so this is I think um I think this
ties in really well to a topic that I was talking to Chris pillo about at the
airport when we were in Hawaii and I got
a lot of flack in the comments under his video which I basically said uh PS4 Xbox
One is the last generation of dedicated gaming consoles there's people in
dedicated gaming media that have said that I don't know if you've heard this
so so hold on the people that were arguing with me seem to have largely not
watched the video because what they're saying is mobile will never replace the
big screen experience with a controller I didn't say that I didn't say that he's
a dedicated cons at all I said a dedicated box for I had one guy say well
this guy's an idiot because it might be something integrated into your TV yeah I
said that in the video con the the couch
gaming experience isn't going away no
that would be a stupid thing to say that would be ridiculous what I said is that
if this generation of consoles has a life cycle that's as long as the last
one of about 8 years we will have outgrown it by8 years from now there's
people speculating 10 years and in 10 years if your phone can't plug in to
your TV and power the whole thing what
were we doing for 10 years yes you look at how quickly it's moving right now
compared to the compared to the speed at
which larger devices are moving we're moving towards smaller cores that are
very powerful but also very power efficient and that's where all the developments going nobody gives any
cares about building a new cell processor yeah okay so no I'm not saying
you're not going to sit on your couch with a controller and play games people
will still do that that will that will pretty much always be a thing but to
imagine that you need a dedicated device that exists just for playing games on
your TV in 8 years is ridiculous so I
really think that platforms like I suggested in the video that Android or
iOS could potentially take a chunk of this and people are like oh the the game
devs will continue to develop for V come
on what Nintendo is still going to exist
as a hardware manufacturer in 8 years are you kidding me good luck I challenge
you Nintendo because platforms like open platforms
like Android will attract game developers we have seen who was it
someone see I could see devices from Nintendo running Android sure that
that's actually I had to talk with a friend about that that would be like that would be a rebranding exercise more
than anything okay fine fine okay fine fine fine but to suggest that closed
platforms will continue to be a thing I think is ridiculous we've seen already I
think it was $15 was the most expensive game on the App Store and it's selling
so no you don't have to develop for and
and we can prove that you don't have to develop for a closed platform and all of
a sudden anyone on their phone or TV or Shield or whatever else can consume your
game you're going to be hitting so much larger of an audience what do game devs
look for they look for where are people willing to spend money people love
buying apps and they look for where is a large install base why do you develop
for Xbox 360 because there's Mill ions
of them out there why do you develop for Android Windows phone because there's
millions of them out there the install base for Android will completely Eclipse
anything that PS4 or Xbox One combined
could hope to accomplish eight years from now in fact probably already and
we're going to look at cell phones that you will own in not that long that will
be more powerful than that console that you own yes that is going to happen so
when I brought up plugging your phone into the TV has because your phone will
be better than the console that you also have loaded into the TV so there you go
guys yes it'll hold on and yes this generation of consoles will continue to
exist but and and you know what okay may
maybe we'll see one more but I don't think it'll be that successful I don't
think it'll be that big of a deal that's that's another thing like Nintendo not
making their own device like they might still be making their own device it might be side by side like there might
be a dedicated Nintendo one and an Android one or they might just be struggling along it just won't be on the
scale it currently is we might see we might see some kind of an evolution
where um games could be platform specific like Nintendo could lock down
Nintendo games to only run on their Android thing I I don't see that
happening though um I I could see it happening I don't know why they would
it'll all come down to game devs though and I mean people making the argument in
the comments as well that oh yeah I'm
going to replace my GTA 5 gaming experience with Angry Birds yeah Angry
Birds isn't the only game that runs on Android like let's get over that let's
just move past that we don't have G 5 running on Android but at some point it
will be it will be capable of doing it and if there's money to be made by doing
that I mean you'd be crazy as a Game Dev to not develop for a platform where
people will throw buckets of money at you one of the main reasons why I was interested in Ubuntu Edge back to
throwing way back to this was because once you plugged it into a computer or a
monitor and it detected that setup was going on it it would completely change
it would boot into Ubuntu desktop OS instead of Ubuntu mobile OS and I found
that fascinating because you can plug your phone into a screen that's bigger
than it and it still sucks because it's a mobile OS and it's all weird and
whatever absolutely but if it's boots into a desktop OS how about you plug
your phone into your TV it boots into a console OS sure and we've seen glimmers
of that with Android already and things like the AC Transformer yeah where okay
yeah yeah mouse keyboard support sure yeah have a more desktop like experience
there's no reason I mean eight years
it's a really long time it's a really long time 8 years we've seen smartphones
come into existence yeah to where we are today like like when you just think 8
years it doesn't seem like that long but actually go back and look try and figure
out what tech you owned eight years ago and then just be like it's laughable so
okay let's move into our next topic because I think I've ranted about that enough the Silk
Road has been busted open so you know
what you're you're more into this whole stuff than me so go ahead to to First
explain expl what it is it's a it's a it's a website on the quote unquote
people hate it when I say quote unquote quote darket unquote there we go
um I got called up for that a ton one live stream um that that that uses
Bitcoins and a weird way of transferring Bitcoins to sell drugs or narcotics so
they would sell or fake ID or fake IDs or anything that you would sell on the
black market quote unquote um would
would go on this website so the idea of it was that you could only access it
through a tour Network it was a onion website so it wasn't they have a weird
crazy URL um which is in the dock for
people that are interested but wouldn't exactly suggest going right now um and
like it users would connect to it by going behind a proxy like hot Hotspot
Shield or something and then tore up
behind that and then they'd be able to access the website so it was below
layers of security and the idea was that
everyone sellers buyers owners was
completely Anonymous yeah and that helps and these these onion websites how all
they work and all that kind of stuff it's tons of anonymity and then even the
way that the Bitcoins are transferred in between people helped because you know
Bitcoin transactions are traceable so the way that they went around was in
this weird like scrambled or something yeah so so you could you could follow it
but it was really confusing and it was pretty much impossible to find who it actually ended up with blah blah blah
blah blah all that kind of stuff so what happened was the not the original
Creator but the guy that took it over um
so that's Ross alpr or or what was his
what was his tag dread pirate Roberts there we go yeah as a as a throwback to
an an old movie um I love that movie it's awesome yeah it's one of your
favorites yes I think some people will know what we're talking about Princess
Bride yeah there um sorry what was going to say yeah so he he has posts on like
stack Overflow which I Linked In the document which you guys can check out
which is just like K and like people knew it was him and he's talking about
like securing onion websites and it's just like K and then in in PMS to a few
users he put his his personal email address which had his name on it so it's
like okay and then the FBI has been on him forever he he tried to place two
Hitman contracts through FBI agents not knowing that they're FBI agents he tried
to buy a kilogram of coke through FBI agents like he's for for for running
this like super secret crazy thing that tons of people were on where's my
metrics there's 146,000 unique buyer
accounts now in saying that there was almost a million accounts it's just
146,000 unique buyer accounts these people that actually put through
transactions and there was 9 million Bitcoins transferred through this thing
if you break that down that's as far as I know like billions of dollars 1.2
billion today would be the uh yeah so the sales revenue of more than 95
million bit Bitcoins valued at 1.2 billion and and people figured out that
was like a huge percentage of all
Bitcoin transactions going half yeah so
we're we're through this website when this got when this got when when he got
busted um Bitcoin fell by
29% immediately which like wow for
people that were trying to keep Bitcoin up on the up and up and like the good
kind of situation you just lost a lot of and it's one of those things where we
you know we look at bit and we kind of go yeah great idea but if you're ever
going to be legit this kind of crap
isn't going to help because because all people are going to see it for because
they had this whole the mentality behind the site was that they thought that all
of this should be okay and should be legal and they were trying to make their own way of doing it like it had a
underlying philosophy and that's going to be completely ignored now that it's
been busted open and the runner was trying to get people killed because that's what people are going to focus on
um so your whole underly philosophy just got blown the crap up and it's it's it's
now everyone is going to hear about this it's huge on the news and all it says is
Bitcoin is bad so that's a problem a
real shame it is it's actually I mean I think we should look at this as just
from sort of a thousand foot view what a shame uh what a shame for Bitcoin what a
shame for alternative currency in general because you know even even other
currencies like Litecoin are going to suffer as a result of the negative image
of bit coin and I mean it's one of those things where we look at it and we go well the whole point is we want to get
away from governments dictating what we can or cannot buy where we can and
cannot spend our money etc etc etc but the problem is that it seems you know
like if I say this I think it will be true it seems like uh if people want to
avoid having the government snooping in their Affairs well this is what they're
doing well okay and that for half of the people using Bitcoins it was true at
least the the drug thing aside because there's so many laws changing that field
right now so whether or not you think it's bad or not completely ignoring that
I think the part where it really stepped over the line was where he was trying to
get people kills well yeah of course so it just um so so so so that's the
perception that will be that will exist for half of all the transactions that
were occurring using Bitcoin yeah and that's that's all allegedly we haven't
confirmed that number through investigative journalism that half of the transactions were but but uh I I
think part of that too is because of the kind of back loopy way that they're
doing transactions they bounced around a lot right so that inflated the number
like crazy but still 9 million Bitcoins it wasn't a small amount so yeah so one
of the uh that so he actually ended up getting busted due to a r a random
routine package inspection where he was having some fake documents shipped over
the border and uh so there was one of them was a California driver's license
with his photograph and birth date but a different name so they ended up being
able to put enough of it together that they were able to to bust him Canadians
ended up catching him and one thing that is kind of go Canada sucky in this is go
Canada but a huge amount of the transactions and a huge amount of people
on the website were Canadian well okay so let's go
Canada kind of oh yeah all righty then we have a
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about something that you don't want other people to know about and that
might not actually be an inherently bad thing so you want to trace your steps um
not everything that's illegal is necessarily bad I mean we've seen this
time and time again throughout history where not everything that I mean at
times you couldn't talk about being a Christian for fear of execution like
talking about things is not necessarily bad so vpn's can help protect your
privacy Underground Railroad all like there's there's tons of stuff that being
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Shield for sponsoring the W show and without further Ado boom they are almost
all dirty by Anand L shimpy and Brian
clug so the state of cheating on Android benchmarks so I want to preface this by
saying cheating on benchmarks Is Not A New Concept no especially on the on the
PC side we have seen this over and over
and and over again whether it was 3D Mark 2001 3D Mark 2003 every Graphics
Company was doing everything they could to have the highest score whether it
meant oh well if we just like render that with a little bit less Fidelity
nobody will notice and so they were making specific optim optimizations that
they were releasing with driver updates to 3D Mark a synthetic Benchmark the new
driver would drop and it would say 10% Improvement in Far Cry 15% Improvement
in 3D Mark and you just be like come on
you guys are really investing in this but the reality of it was especially
then a lot of people were making purchasing decisions based on synthetics
yeah I think more than actually more than so leading us to well on the
Android side I would say a lot of people are making purchasing decisions based on
synthetics I for PCs oh oh more than than now yeah for PC sure because most
people just don't care anymore yeah um so they tested a bunch of stuff so the
pad phone from Aus the HTC1 the One Mini the G2 from LG the Moto Razer and the
basic conclusion guys is that if you're buying a Nexus device there is no
cheating going on if you're buying a Motorola device it looks like at least
the ones they tested no guarantees about the other ones there is no cheating going on if you are buying a Samsung
device look at that Note 3 there is more
cheating going on with the Note 3 and the Note 10.1 2014 edition than any
other device that was tested NVIDIA Shield is not doing any cheating but
let's let's get into the technical sort of what is cheating exactly because this
is a bit different this isn't driver tweaks where you're actually rendering
less of the image or doing whatever else so on the exos 5410 Samsung was
detecting the presence of certain benchmarks and raising thermal limits
and thus the max GPU frequency in order to gain an edge on those benchmarks on
both the Snapdragon 600 and the 5410 on
the Samsung Galaxy S S4 plat so both of those both Samsung Galaxy S4 platforms
Samsung was detecting the presence of certain benchmarks and automatically
driving CPU voltage and frequency to their highest state right away as
opposed to a gradual ramp up and ramp down and how these benchmarks work is
they'll go through multiple times and then give you an overall score so it's
going to change it the the scale at which it changes it if you look at it
for one run is a little bit but then over time it actually increases Yeah so
basically they're not not lying to you
about what your Hardware is capable of doing they're not just you know creating
uh you know they're not putting like a piece of software on the phone that
detects The Benchmark closes it automatically puts up a static image
that makes it look like it's running it and then just spits out a fake score we're not talking something that blatant
but what they're doing is they are manipulating the numbers to achieve
unrealistic levels unrealistic levels of performance and maybe it's 3% here or 8%
there it's not like doubling it just
just fabricating the numbers completely but it really feels unnecessary and I
wish that that this wasn't the case but
it's going to happen it'll keep happening and you know why it'll keep happening because most people don't care
you folks watching this show you probably already were at least vaguely
aware of this the people who we would be breaking this news to are not watching
this show and the people who might be
shopping for a cell phone probably
aren't going to listen to you when you start talking about what Benchmark the
HTC1 wins and which one the Galaxy S4
wins because they don't care they look at it and they go oh yeah this one's
really nice and it has a good battery life and but but what they will read
into is the newscaster who quickly goes
to some websites finds benchmarks and then goes this is the fastest phone
there is or this phone is faster than this phone without saying Benchmark
without saying any of the big words and up till now my understanding is that Samsung has mostly just denied any
optimizations so unless they're reading The Verge or a onte versus if they're
watching Fox News um that that tells you
what kind of information they're going to get and most sites are just going to keep running benchmarks and that's all
you can do I mean this is very low-level firmware programming that's going on
here to change things like power states on the fly like this so you can't just
turn that off and run the Benchmark to get more legit benchmarks so uh one
thing they did was they renamed the executables oh okay not I guess not
really the the packages they would rename The Benchmark and then it
wouldn't detect it in some situations it's going to become another arms race
where the the the phone manufactur find
some way to so so there you go and if
you want to keep your phone up to date you're going to have to keep installing
you know new ROMs and new new updates and for everyone who's saying oh well I
just you know I in I rooted my phone I installed Cy good for
you most people aren't going to do that
my mom is not going to do that no his mom is not going to do that N I didn't
even bother on my own phone not because I don't know how to do it because I just
don't care we jail broke my mom's phone but that was just cuz she needed a few
more things that's one way of putting it it was like a super old phone she needed
a few more things it was additional functionality ah okay we we didn't
actually pirate any apps or anything it was just additional functionality so qualcom claims that Apple 64-bit CPU is
a marketing gimmick so this was posted by E chondo on the Forum the original
article is from news. techworld Doc and basically they've come
out and said look I think they're doing it as a marketing gimmick there's zero
benefit that the consumer gets from that um the benefit the main benefit of 64bit
is being able to address more than 4 gigs of memory and Apple has only
equipped the 5S with 1 gig of RAM which
means that on the 5S there is no benefit
but this comes down to the what we were talking about before which was what
Apple's doing in my mind is preparing the ecosystem for the eventual move and
Paving the road for a smoother transition so I I think I think the
64-bit chip may have been interpreted incorrectly but I don't think it was
complete hogwash and had no per no it didn't help consumers at all I think
that's complete crap because it's preparing the whole ecosystem for later
so when they will utilize which will be probably pretty freaking soon to be
completely honest maybe another year or two kind of thing yeah it it will be
ready and it won't be a big deal we saw this on the PC side where it was kind of
terrible and the difference between Apple and Android at that point then
will be that Apple will be able to launch iOS 7.5 or 8 or whatever they
want to call it and say backwards compatibility all the way back to 5S
whereas the compatibility of 64-bit
Android operating systems and apps will be so broken and so fragmented that no
one will know what's going on unless you're one of that 0.1% that actually
gives two cares about it and follows all this stuff daily you'll know but good
for you because most people won't and when it comes to selling to the general
consumer you have to do things that appeal to the general consumer and compatibility is a big one so I still
say like huge thumbs up to Apple 64-bit does not inherently improve the
performance the A7 chip the A7 chip is fast because the A7 chip is fast not
because it's 64-bit it just happens to be 64-bit compatible and I think it's
fantastic that moving forward we're going to we're going to have the market move in that direction yeah I found one
of the things that he said actually interesting saying uh really how was
that for you well you have to let me finding one of the things that I said
interesting I you oh okay I I generally find things you say interesting I'm was
talking about the guy in the in the thing anyways he he says it will have no
real benefit other than engineering chip design and operating systems well wow
that sounds like a pretty compelling like list of benefits what those things
are really important like what are you talking about I can't find any of those
three things that is not important yeah
what so like that quote was just like K
really like oh man sorry dude but that's
brutal so let's go ahead and move into our next iPhone piece of news so
logitech's iPhone game controller pictured again in a new leak this is all
rumored this isn't by any means release Hardware or anything over here but that
looks pretty darn cool it looks good and this plays into exactly what you just
brought up which is where Nintendo might not be a handheld manufacturer Hardware
manufacturer cuz why would they need to be because stuff like this is going to start coming out and I think stuff even
though this is awesome I think stuff a lot better than this is going to start
coming and that's the other thing too is the ridiculous people posting on that
video saying oh well the touchscreen experience isn't very good good for you
the touchcreen experience isn't very good it's not it's not what we're
talking about touch screen experience like always sucks unless you might be valve and you might be changing it yeah
you might be made of magic yeah but that touchcreen experience that valve is
going to have I don't tou pad yeah that's not going to come to phones for
at least a long so you know you look at the direction things are moving where it
comes to where we've got accessories that turn our phones into consoles we've
got dedicated devices like Shield that turn that ecosystem into a console oh
sorry to throw back another thing Shield didn't cheat either yeah Shield didn't I
did mention that okay okay NVIDIA did not cheat with the tiger 4 and I think
that really speaks to how much they've grown up in in the last five to eight
years where they were as guilty as AMD at times like real guilty yeah and now
here you know no one was really investigating this at the time but they basically said look Tegra 4 kicks ass
and it's going to kick ass without us making any optimizations for particular
applications really kudos to you NVIDIA love to see that all right so here's a
quick discussion topic and that is
the Zeon versus Core Series processors
so there's a lot of confusion about this so the Zeon E3 yeah I know I'm in Canada
I don't care uh the Zeon e oh I hate it
when it does that to me stop it I know
I'm in Canada don't redirect me to the homepage I want to actually look at this
page so what is the difference between a z and a Core Series processor so there's
a couple of different things first of all right now there happens to be a
particularly interesting Zeon which I can't remember the model number of for
Life me right now and uh of course this
this isn't working because I bet my phone battery just died yeah oh it's one
thing after another today so it's the E3 something or other it's clocked 100 MHz
slower than the Core Series equivalent and what's the difference so number one
is that zons aren't officially supporting by some boards with that said
I've yet to see a comp an electrically compatible board that doesn't support it
they they they always work they're just not like officially supported but they
always work yeah uh number two is there's no integrated GPU so Intel has
fused it off because they I guess they figure people who want those zons don't
need integrated Graphics which I think is crazy because that's one of the
reasons I have against getting one is if I wanted to use it for a server later on
I'd want it to have integrated Graphics okay base clock overclocking only which
is is fairly limited um compared to being able to overclock the multiplier
even on non- unlocked SKS you can overclock the multiplier a fair bit on
Modern G CPUs and on Haswell since they don't overclock that high you might be
getting pretty close to the maximum without even getting an unlocked CPU um
it doesn't need ECC memory but it can use ECC memory unlike the Core Series
processors um so someone was basically just asking me uh well is there any
compelling reason why I should get a Core Series processor versus a zeeon if
it's like 50 bucks cheaper and I was kind of like let me look into this the
answer seems to be if you don't need the onboard graphics and you don't want to
overclock not really yeah make sure your board supports it in fact many boards
even consumer ones do officially support zons yeah yeah just just not all just
not everyone officially supports Theon that's all um but and like this has
actually been pretty crazy on the forums lately I don't know if you've noticed that but people have been going nuts
over these two processors and like yeah if you have no plan on overclocking and
you have 100% of a plan to always have a video card with that processor all the
time like you're going to pair them together um then yeah it's fine uh
personally I like getting processors that have integrated Graphics if I'm
going to get it on a non like crazy Enthusiast platform so if I'm not going
to get 2011 I'm probably going to want the option for integrated Graphics
because at some point in time I might take that system and throw it in a
server environment who knows I like stuff that uses it I mean things like uh
things like uh video encoding yeah quick sync um anything that's going to take
advantage of open CL is going to benefit from the onboard Graphics whether it's
Intel or AMD although AMD's onboard Graphics are quite a bit more powerful
yeah um and I can't find a micro USB charging cable which means that our um
our PowerPoint for build of the week is going to be a bit of a challenge so
we'll be back in just a moment oh we can do that uh wait where are we right right
you've got it okay can't see our builds of the week this week are freaking
awesome so the first one is Arctic water from be negative and there's nothing
negative about it Holy balls so this was built for someone else
I think it was on the oc3d forums but like when you're building something for
someone else that is already on a tech Forum like you kind of know it's going
to be pretty awesome unbelievable I mean even replacing all of the connectors on
the PCI Express slots painting the Shroud on the Sabertooth board painting
memory hard piped copper tubing I mean
oh it's it's orgic and then once you go
to the next photo you can actually see even the ring on the Corsair fans
different accent points on the saber-tooth motherboard like what a
beautiful machine attention to freaking detail what an absolutely beautiful Ma
Grill here wow and it's the one system
I've ever seen where the stock Crossfire break looks like it's not completely out
of place it's pretty awesome next up this
one's been in the works for a long time from P Banes the custom water cooled
desk boom so cool and then one thing
that I always worry about with these des and actually we talked about this in one
of my private little not private but my solo live streams a while ago when this
was in production which we brought this up and everyone instead of me playing a game was just looking at this build
which is ridiculous but I brought up something that always worries me about these taller desk builds which is like
where do you put your leg what it means is like the uh the the tallness of the
height here yeah so it's like where do you put your legs and then how do your
arms like if it's tall enough your legs are your arms up here and he has a photo
of it and he actually kind of slots in fairly well okay and then he also
brought up that he's going to be putting his keyboard and mouse probably on a tray anyways right okay so that totally
makes sense that's just a wicked build
look at that sleeving and these I love
that nice straight runs of of um a vinyl
tubing or a flex tubing look outstanding
they look so good oh all them right
angles and man and he was even super super super careful about the color of
his coolant too it's crazy that's not the last picture oh oh okay one more
it's not like a super crazy picture of the insides but I just wanted to show
how like he actually does kind of fit now it's pretty tight but he did say
that he's going to he's kind of a bigger guy you can you can tell looking at him
so some for someone like me my legs would be too low and my arms would be
here yeah but it seems to kind seems to kind of work for him which is very very
awesome what a great build yeah seriously abely super stoked to see it
finished so guys I think that's pretty much it for the W show this week thank
you so much for tuning in and uh again
big thanks to our sponsor Hotspot Shield for making this episode possible so
without further Ado peace out we'll see you again next week
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