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welcome to the W show everyone we've got a fantastic show for you here today in

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fact I was I was a little bit surprised because when we were going through the

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topics for this week a couple days ago I was like oh it's not a ton really yeah

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well compared to last week when we had all the things to discuss that was that

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was just like crazy as all balls uh but this week is turning out to look

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actually pretty darn good our special guest today is elrick from Tech of

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Tomorrow formerly from motherboards.org maybe we can poke him a little bit and

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see if we can get him to actually you know what let's not let's not dig up the

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past let's not dig up the past but we've got elri joining us today for our guest

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segment and I'd love to do a preview of the topics we've got today so number one

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guys is lock up your daughters and sons

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and um Badgers because Minecraft will

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turn your kids into gunslinging knife

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toting violent violent people people I

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can't believe this got out Minecraft with GTA 5 like I

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know like the timing is hilarious the timing is fantastic more on that later

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guys cheating in Android benchmarks is definitely a thing so we are going to

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discuss the state of the Android ecosystem and what cheating means to

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Consumers and manufacturers and why it

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gets done when they get caught every

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time this is the same we've seen on the PC platform seen it on the PC we'll see

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it again on smart watches quote me on

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that that's it's true what else we got uh we've got control delete was a

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mistake admitted by Bill Gates kind of an interesting little conversation that

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happened there and steam machine specs unveiled by xi3 and valve and the the

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valve steam machine specs that were unveiled were the Prototype ones that are going in kind of all over the place

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so and yeah all over the place all right so why don't we kick things off

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with the intro

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news item of the week which is actually a pretty minor a pretty minor item it's

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just more of a funny thing yeah it's so

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Bill Gates admits this was posted on the Forum by snow Comet Bill Gates admits

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control alt delete was a mistake and blames

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IBM so first of all control alt delete

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as far as key combinations Go I mean that's kind of like saying alt f4 was a

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mistake except that it's not because control alt delete in in Microsoft's

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mind should have been one button yeah and at the time the functionality was to

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restart your computer uh it's evolved over time and we still have it today and

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then the other functionality of course at the time was to prove that you were a

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human being sitting in front of a computer now from a security standpoint

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that's not a very good proof was it was it ever effective

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though uh I I can't see a way that it

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could have been but maybe someone better than me knows a way that it could have

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been because I from my standpoint you can just you can just mimic those key

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presses like it's not a big deal so control delete if they'd had their way

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would been a single button which would have saved us how many billions of

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keystrokes over the last few years um

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it out over there but pretty much he was giving a talk and everyone kind of had a

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good laugh about it the IBM keyboard designer just kind of refused to refused

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to implement it which which honestly in my opinion I have no real problem with

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like it's it's the least big deal ever

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yeah we just thought that was kind of funny so we're not going to spend too much time on it let's go ahead and move

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into our next topic it's I don't know it's just I I think the thing about it

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that sticks out most to me is how these Legacy things just keep carrying forward

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and carrying forward to the point where control delete has very different

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functionality today and you have to basically be in the BIOS or in like a

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pre- Windows environment for it to even reboot your computer but what you can do

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is you can bring up the task manager you can lock the computer and there's um and

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that it is an actual user sitting in front of the PC uh server login you

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still have to control delete server logins um one thing I think is

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interesting though is is like if if that didn't happen if the mistake quote

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unquote didn't happen how many like key things like there's so many people I

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know that can do it without looking without having hands on the keyboard and

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just go boom and just hit it and like they there was that thing before where

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someone made a fake little keyboard that was just control delete and they were

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like this is all you need to use Windows like all that stuff the like the like

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cult following that control delete has to be completely honest like well if

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they had one key if there was like the uh would it have been the same though if

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there was like the O balls key or something like that that might that

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might have been all right probably yeah but uh but yeah yeah we love it uh let's

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go ahead and move into our next topic this is actually one that is um that

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hits pretty close to home for me because here in here in Canada we have um oh no

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on with smartphones in the EU so this isn't exactly new but I just I just want

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to talk about this because it's something that I personally feel quite

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strongly about and that is that the EU this was on BBC plans to end mobile

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phone roaming charges so this would be implemented by

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2016 and in 2014 it would be eliminating

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roaming charges for incoming calls and as someone who lives in Canada we don't

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have the greatest mobile phone rates we

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also don't have the worst ones I mean I

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pay about $100 a month for my business plan that includes 5 gigs of data

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basically unlimited calling for all intents and purposes it includes us

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calling when I'm at home which is great because you'd be amazed how many people

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just don't want to bother with Skype and want to talk on the phone and most of

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the people we work with are in the US so I would be paying a fortune in long

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distance if I didn't have that kind of a plan and

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it's really not that bad it's 100 bucks

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a month but the thing that kills you so I was over in Hawaii for about eight

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days $6 a Meg yeah is the roaming charge

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I think it's something like 75 cents a text and to me the uh this is this is

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this is basically like to me the only excuse for this kind of behavior and

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these kinds of charges is like you know the back room

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of you know a lady Club where there's

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like fat dudes with cigars sitting around going like you know like placing

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bets on the table for how much they think that people would be willing to

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pay in roaming charges and I mean even roaming plans where it's like yeah $50

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normally have access to with your regular plan while you're on the go

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there's no reason that it has to be done

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and I really applaud the EU for being progressively thinking when it comes to

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these infrastructure items that that I think unify people and I think they make

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they make travel and they make the the global economy more more of a thing

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where travel can become less expensive um in in every way whether it's whether

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it's planes or trains or hyper Loops or you know okay so Elon Musk isn't

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building the hyperloop but I uh anyway I

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I really I really admire that I think it's fantastic there's interesting stuff

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too because you'd automatically think when you go roaming somewhere that you should pre- purchase the roaming plan

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because it'll save you all the danger one of my friends when we went down to Pax pre- purchased the roaming plan it

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was $40 yeah I didn't took all the hits

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and was still totally fine and under $40 it was still really expensive and stupid

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so it's just like would you like to bend over the couch or would you like to bend

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over the bed it's totally up to you as long as you bend over and take it from

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your Telco um now there are challenges associated with this because you're

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asking for Telos to cooperate uh in the EU it's going to require uh Wireless

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providers to have I think it yeah the proposals must be approved by the 28 EU

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members and they also have to have permission to to operate and and conduct

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business so to speak in all those countries I think there's going to be a lot of consolidation in the market where

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the the the large players in the larger markets whether it's Germany or uh the

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UK are going to have a huge leg up on

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the smaller providers in the smaller EU countries and I think it's going to put

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a lot of people out of business and there are problems with all of this but

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uh I think that it has to happen at some point and I would love it if even Canada

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and us got together and cooperated I'm

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surprised it hasn't happened yet well of course it hasn't happened because

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whether it's Verizon or Bell or Rogers or AT&T they all love damn roaming

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charges that's true they all but but with everything else that Canada and US

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does together I'm actually going surprised that's not one of them well

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it's it's one of those things where it takes a government mandate to make Telos

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cooperate with each other have you seen well cooperate with each other above

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board right right so have you seen all that stuff lately the Canadian

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government attacking wireless companies uh their web page whatnot what not I

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didn't bother put that in the thing because we've talked too much we've talked a lot enough about that but like

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it's it's yeah they're kind of mad which good yeah that's good that's good I'm

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glad we need more government regulation on the Telecommunications guys because

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it is getting ridiculous So speaking of

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government regulations and sometimes them getting involved in things that

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they don't fully understand uh this one

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is new it was posted by Bam Bam LLY on the Forum the EU wants every smartphone

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and tablet to charge by micro USB so the

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original article was on the verge as posted by our our for member who is

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helpfully putting in his sources and I

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agree with the idea that every

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smartphone should use a universal standard but what I disagree with is

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that the that micro USB should be it so

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um let's get into it shall we I'm just just go I'm just up okay I'm

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gonna start this by saying I've been called out a little bit over the last

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week or so because I did tweet about this a little bit where people are

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saying okay well Linus's quotes about how fragile micro USB is are from some

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company that didn't have it validated by a third party and Etc so let's set aside

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the quotes for now guys hit us on

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Twitter simple yes no have you ever had

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a micro USB connection fail I want that

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to be the first answer and then yes no have you ever had a full-size USB or a

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mini B connection fail so your your post

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should read uh no no if you've never had anything fail yes no if you've had this

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one and not this one and yes yes if you've had both of them fail guys hit us

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on Twitter we're going to go through your thoughts but my problem is I have

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personally had micro USB fail and not okay it's valid not I'll let you talk in

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a minute it's validated for a thousand plugs or something like that the problem

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I have is how fragile physically the

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connector is can be validated for whatever you want but in the real world

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we don't carefully plug it in and unplug it we don't even plug it in quickly

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straight and unplug it straight we run into situations where our phones are

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dead we really need a charge we're on the go we take a portable battery Bank

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we plug it into it we Jam the whole thing in our pocket that is the real

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world especially in this day and age of

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cell phones that don't last for a week on battery like they did when I first

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got a cell phone we've moved so far backwards to the point where when I'm

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heavily using my HTC1 I might have to charge it a couple times in a day

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talking really heavy use I burned through 20% of my battery in about 15

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minutes today when I had tethering on and I was using it for navigation and

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this the the screen was on they go fast so micro USB is fragile even if it is

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reliable or whatever other term you want to use for it lasting a long time

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so with all of that said I don't have an

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alternative connector I like better I I actually well okay I don't think Min USB

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BB was that bad if you actually

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objectively look at them and compare them they are not that different the

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only real difference on a modern cell phone implementation even on something

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like the HTC1 would be that you'd get less of less less of a of of a sort of

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support around it which I find that that connector doesn't need as much with that

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said the internals of the connector are

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bulkier but they could have moved it closer to the center and that could have

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still worked so okay maybe maybe Mini isn't the answer but I would rather they

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develop a more rugged standard as opposed to just making the making us

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standardize on this fragile connector to

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play against your question that you're putting on Twitter a USB like standard

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USB is obviously a lot better and could

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never be put on a phone and that's ridiculous so that doesn't matter phone

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blocks my magical phone could have like an interface

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module that would be awesome if you could be

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like no this is my power connector um I

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want to use an AC wall outlet bulkiness

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of the phone be damned it's going to be this thick and it's going to run on AC

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power okay like standard computer yeah anyways um and then mini B like no one

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ever uses so your metric there standard

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micro USB is going to have a whole bunch of people that use it every camera a

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whole bunch of people using it for different devices every

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camera tiny much smaller well it's dead

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now but it used to be much more popular main

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onas yes which were the portable Electronics of the time and not nearly

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as many people had a freaking camera as

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they have smartphones so the metrics do not line up so your one side is has way

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more population than your other side and it's not a Fair competition okay fine

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and you know what I'm going to Devil's Advocate myself a little bit here

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because I did run into a situation this

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very week twice where I found myself

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wishing that my Pebble which is Awesome by the way doesn't have Micro USB I lost

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the magnetic connector which is awesome I love magnetic Chargers I lost it twice

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shoot the B- roll for it but then but then in your defense you're not against

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the unification of the cable it's you're against micro USB so that's not actually

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we could have like a magnetic USB standard cable yeah so that's not really

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like that's not really a point to G bring it on because there will be teething pains in any transition I mean

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micro USBs remember when we never used to have enough of those yeah um there

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away when you trip on it like a magnetic connector that would be amazing

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amazing all right so let's go ahead and see what kind of results we got on that

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there Twitter Blitz I don't know how many people have followed the instructions because a lot of people are

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working pretty well so there we go people hey people are people are doing it so we've got wow this browser is

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being a big giant pile of poo it is

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lagging out so hard all right so yes no

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uh no no wow yeah I can't I can't even do this so so far of the people who

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being or not Twitter but Chrome being a big pile of junk all right another one

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for micro another one for micro no for both micro but not mini no for both yes

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to both no micro but yes mini yes to

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do that in a moment but mostly you guys

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micro that being said I've used a lot of both and I've only had micro USB fail on

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receptacle yeah and on something like a phone where

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we're talking a $600 plus piece of electronics where it has this one

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failure point where if it if you if you bump it once it's completely dead and

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there's no repairing it yeah and and like every once in a while you'll find

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that device that comes with a cable and that device and that cable like click

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together and it feels really good and you're like oh that's going to be solid forever and it is and then you go to

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plug in like a random USB or even the one that comes with your phone I found

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on like I don't know you can see it coming a lot of the time and then then

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like you said putting in your pocket kills it a lot of time too all right so let's do one more major topic before we

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bring our guest on apparently you didn't even get back to them about having not

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done the test call do you do you have them added on uh I thought I sent on

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voice chat okay if you have to go for a couple minutes and I'll handle this

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topic on my own and make sure you just kind of get that figured out I just replied to the email so here we go guys

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parents actually you know what I'll save that one I'll save that one to talk

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about with you all right this was a post on the Forum a long time ago and Kind of

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a Funny Story here was um Slick's been

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not been being flagged as priority at least at least 25% okay so let's say at

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least a quarter of them so guys priority inbox if you don't already know I really

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don't recommend using it I found it makes a lot of things escape from you

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um so oh okay you weren't cced I guess so that's a bit of a problem so

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basically with this article was actually posted on the lineus tech chips Forum by

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queak back in June and it was something that I emailed I was like hey we should

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uh we should talk about this on the WAN Show so load line calibration or vrou um

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implemented in order to potentially stabilize overclocks however it's one of

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those things where the motherboard manufacturers put it on there extreme

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the motherboard guys or you ask in they'll say well you know what it's part

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of the Intel spec so we'd really recommend that you leave it on and what

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happens is when your CPU goes under load

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the motherboard actually drops the amount of voltage it's delivering to the

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CPU this does a couple of things it reduces heat output and it also improves

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longevity of the CPU and reduces power

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consumption the flip side of that is if you set a voltage to your CPU with the

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objective of making it stable at higher clock speeds like if you're overclocking

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you don't necessarily want your motherboard dropping the voltage when

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you're in a load under a heavy load or intensive situation because well I told

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you I wanted the voltage and I wanted the power and you're turning it off on

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me so this article was just done by one

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of our for members it's not the most scientific thing I've ever seen but

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basically he took some time and used a rampage for extreme and a 3930k to test

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with a digital multimeter what the actual ual settings were of what was

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actually being delivered to a CPU on that board with different loadline

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calibration settings and I thought it was absolutely fascinating just because

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there's some pretty interesting stuff

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going on it has a huge effect on the voltages that your CPUs are going to be

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running at whether it's uh whether it's at idle or whether it's at load and it

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is definitely worth a read it'll be posted in the wow document after the

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show but if not you can always search on the forum for load Das line calibration

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why overclocker should care and you can check out that article little little tip

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if if you want to search on the Forum just go to Google and do like lineus Tech tips and then the line calibration

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forum and it'll probably come up better cuz our search sucks I know the search

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is terrible it is we're hoping that they fix it in IPS version 4 which is in

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Alpha right now and we will not be beta testing yeah no more beta testing for

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software um you know what we've got a little bit more time so Warcraft the

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movie is coming out on December

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18th okay there's a couple different ways this can go people were stoked so

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hard on what was it advent children or whatever they called that first Final

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Fantasy movie uh what was it yeah I that

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was at least one of them I can't remember I don't know if that was the first one I I watched about 30% of it

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and I was like this is the most boring stupid thing that I've ever seen I kind

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of expected that the CG okay the okay the problem is that

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okay at that time I hadn't played a Final Fantasy game since like Final

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Fantasy 6 so I was expecting a story

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that wasn't just like the stupidest thing ever um like I I was expecting it

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to be more than just a tech demo and it really wasn't I was incredibly

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disappointed I was at a friend's house and we were watching it together and I

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was just like I'm going to go play Sims and that was the one time I ever sat

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down and played The Sims because I was

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that bored was was that I I can't remember the names cuz I'm dering right

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now but was that the Final Fantasy movie where she has to go find uh she's trying

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to find plant life I don't even remember man like it was terrible I didn't mind

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the one where she has to go find plant life so Warcraft movie could end up

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being like just a tech demo for CGI and

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um but it's blizzard but it's blizzard

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so it also could end up having like the best story ever and launching an an

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entire series of movies and a franchise yeah that could be amazing I'm a huge

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fan of the warcraft floor like I love

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the warcraft floor and I linked something in this document so you guys

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can check it out later which is a compilation of HD remakes of all of the

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cinematics not like cutcenes but cinematics from Warcraft 3 and like

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they're epic everything's epic like when

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when when arthus is succeeding you and stabs you the guy's thing and his crown

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rolls down the stairs like that's so ridiculous ly epic and I expect it to be

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more like fighting and War and epic

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scenes and stuff like that than I would expect from the Final Fantasy so if

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someone could pull this off would it be blizzard then I I think so because we

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also saw um Prince of Persia cuz Square's whole thing was was cinematics

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and being awesome at cutcenes and making them epic even though you know the games

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themselves particularly these days don't necessarily have a whole lot of meat to

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them see but then they've been moving away from them and they've been moving away from that so so okay and and like

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um there was Prince of Persia okay but then Prince of Persia I think tried to

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be its own thing too much okay and this

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I think they're just going to embrace it and be like nope this is Warcraft well

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Blizzard's good at Blizzard's good at that I mean you know what this was actually uh when I when I was oh man it

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was awesome when I was just kind of hanging out having drinks with Chris

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Roberts yeah that happened I don't think I told you that yet we haven't talked

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much about this I'm like I told you in an email it's probably the most jelly

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I've ever been so anyway so he was all like yeah you know I think the thing we

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did wrong on the wing Commander movie was that we tried too hard to make it

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its own thing yeah instead of just making it to embrace your community

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making it Wing Commander so if if blizzard does this um starring Colin

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Ferell which is going to be uh which is going to be awesome I eventually a

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feeling it's going to just be all voice actors though December 18th

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2015 um I'll go see it yeah me too I

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don't think I've seen a movie on launch day since Avatar and before that oh no I did see

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uh Deathly Hallows on launch day deathly Hallow's part two Return of the King no

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no I think that was me yeah okay so that was your last one I think so okay well

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here why don't we make a pack let's go see this sure we'll get a big group

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together we'll go all the lus we'll have a lonus Media Group outing and we'll go

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see the Warcraft movie guys um are you as stoked as us on this I got to get the

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twitch chat going on my laptop here because I am I am am I am just I'm sorry

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guys I've abandoned you here I just like yeah seriously like the amount of time

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that I've spent playing Warcraft 3 and the amount of time that I've spent

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playing wow should be like criminal are

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we ready for our special guest I'm I'm still waiting for the friend request and

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then we'll be good to go all right he's jumping on right now

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so it shouldn't be too long all right jumping on right now why don't we go ahead and just go for our one troll news

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item I I really don't think this is going to take that long halflife 3

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confirmed huh huh so they registered a

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trademark for half lifee 3 but it's just trademarking the name and at an almost

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exact same time they registered the the steam symbol in in the

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EU so so I personally think it's just

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trying to drive hype towards valve I think it has nothing to do with anything

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and I think anyone who's reading anything into this other than they don't

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want someone else to make the game halflife three and be put in a position

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where they can't really say anything about it I think that's all that's going

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on right now um yeah yeah yeah I I honestly think it

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it like you're definitely right I think it it might have had something to do

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with the timing of the other stuff that's going on because it's it drove a

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huge amount of more interaction to go along with their steam box and all this

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kind of stuff because even in that thread you can scroll down and see someone that posted a picture of steam

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box with the controller with half lifee 3 bundle buy it for whatever like like

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there's there's it drove interaction directly for steam box and the other or

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Steam Machines sorry and the other stuff that they're releasing so the timing may

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have been interesting but they also just had to freaking patent the name CU they

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had to right well trademark is different from patent to be very clear to be very

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clear um so I I actually do get a kick out of the fact that it's a new human

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avatar on the guy the guy who posted it on Yoap so yeah yeah ultimate ultimate

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troll Avatar right there how close are we here I still hasn't added me up um

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haven't gotten an email recently all right cool cool probably just getting

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hopefully we'll have this going very very soon uh add me on Skype yep hopping

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on Skype in a second okay that's good so let's move along to you know what guys

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hit us with a Twitter Blitz of maybe some questions for El I'll take some

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time and uh introduce him if you aren't already familiar with El from Tech of

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tomorrow he's done a wide variety of different stuff uh started up

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motherboards.org about 1 billion years ago without taking a crack at him for

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his age uh he's been doing the whole Tech media thing for longer than I have

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known what a CPU is so the guy's got a ton of experience his new YouTube

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channel Tech of Tomorrow is actually growing faster than motherboards.org

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ever did and I think it really shows um

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what creators are able to do when they shed the shackles of corporate

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involvement or when they aren't forced anymore to focus as much on uh the

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business side of things and are instead allowed to focus on the creation side of

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things I mean we've seen similar success with lonus tech tips growing at a much

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faster rate than it used to be back when I had to deal with my full-time job so

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Tech of Tomorrow is his show he's on Twitter at oballs okay I can't remember

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but if you search for Tech of Tomorrow Twitter on Google which is actually how

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I usually find people because Twitter does a terrible job of autocomplete you

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know what really really drives me insane this is like kind of an offshoot but

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when you go on Twitter and type in there's the search box and I'm like lius

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and then press down once because it's currently searching for you and then

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press enter and it comes up with instead of going to you it just does like a

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search for if I just did l n u it would

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do a search for Linux and it's like no actually I want the

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thing that you were showing a millisecond previously which was lonus

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it's oh man there's some stuff about Twitter that drives me crazy I have

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recently started using Instagram because Twitter pictures break

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constantly you know what I've actually found that too there's better support

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when you click especially on the mobile app when you click on a Twitter picture

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link it just goes nowhere it doesn't work so now if I use Instagram it

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actually loads like I have no interest in actually using Instagram I used to

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use it a long time ago I didn't even bother make a new account I was just like

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whatever it'll work and like I I don't

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want to promote it I don't want to do anything I don't care if anyone follows it because everything that I ever post

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00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:46,440
on Instagram will always just push to Twitter I have no interest because it's

439
00:31:44,679 --> 00:31:49,519
just the only reason why I'm using it so actually freaking load all right we've

440
00:31:47,799 --> 00:31:53,679
got another little bit of troll news here this is uh this is pretty funny

441
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:56,519
while we stall for time some more so uh are we are we ready to rock okay so get

442
00:31:55,279 --> 00:32:03,559
things get things going over there we need our headsets that's right yeah

443
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:06,679
um on Indiegogo the AI

444
00:32:03,559 --> 00:32:09,080
Smartwatch is uh is a is a smartwatch

445
00:32:06,679 --> 00:32:13,679
that I I watched their I watched their video about sort of two minutes in and I

446
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:18,240
kind of went yeah okay you know what the real secret to a successful Kickstarter

447
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:22,240
or Indiegogo campaign seems to have less to do with the idea and the product and

448
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:28,440
more to do with having a really slick video and I was looking at it going yeah really guys I don't know if uh I don't

449
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:32,360
know if this is going to work so what we got a kick out of and this was pointed

450
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:36,519
out by one of our community members was that it is as featured in who hold on a

451
00:32:34,799 --> 00:32:40,240
second what's that down there what's what's this right here as featured in

452
00:32:38,279 --> 00:32:45,399
Linus Tech tips so Luke's looking at this going

453
00:32:42,919 --> 00:32:49,039
what I don't remember this I don't remember making a video about this you

454
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:53,559
know what's funny too is I watched the uh video and um it was just it was music

455
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:57,679
that we paid for off Melody Loops but they used the same music that we use in

456
00:32:55,720 --> 00:33:04,080
one of our Techquickie videos in there indgo I recognize that as well um so

457
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:08,279
what it turned out to actually be was a

458
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:10,480
uh a post on the lonus tech tips Forum

459
00:33:08,279 --> 00:33:14,440
that like one dude who looks like a legit member of The Forum so it's not

460
00:33:12,519 --> 00:33:18,840
just them it's you better not who I've seen around like 2,000 posts saying oh

461
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:24,200
that's pretty cool but that small interface and then nobody ever replied

462
00:33:22,159 --> 00:33:29,519
and like it's not even a bad post just no one ended up replying good post just

463
00:33:26,519 --> 00:33:31,440
um it wasn't really featured on Linus

464
00:33:29,519 --> 00:33:36,880
Tech tips in the same way that that Indiegogo page would imply that it was

465
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:41,240
featured online as Tech tip so we're getting our call with El going I've had

466
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:46,799
the pleasure of meeting El a couple times the first time we met in person

467
00:33:43,039 --> 00:33:49,919
was at CES this year and I remember us

468
00:33:46,799 --> 00:33:52,600
say saying hey we got to you know get

469
00:33:49,919 --> 00:33:57,399
together and like do something and then we just never managed to make it happen

470
00:33:55,159 --> 00:34:04,320
so is he is he on are we good are we live I'm here hey hey welcome to the

471
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:06,039
show all right so I kind of introduced

472
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:10,960
you a little bit but why don't you tell the audience what you're about as if any

473
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:15,520
of them don't know who you are already cuz I'm pretty sure they do I don't know

474
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:19,159
man I'm like the feel like the old man in the tech business I've been doing

475
00:34:16,879 --> 00:34:22,960
this like since the day it started um I've been into gaming and computers and

476
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:27,440
electronics ever since I was a little kid so like doing this for me it just

477
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:30,679
seems to be like the natural way of my life I really love doing what I'm doing

478
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:34,560
and I don't really see myself doing anything else and it's great to see so

479
00:34:32,919 --> 00:34:37,440
many other young people doing it nowadays like I've been doing it back

480
00:34:36,359 --> 00:34:43,320
when there was only like one or two sites now there's just so many people out there doing their own thing and it's

481
00:34:40,639 --> 00:34:49,159
just awesome you know a lot of people feel like guys like you and me or um you

482
00:34:46,720 --> 00:34:52,960
know the new egg TV guys or whatever are competitors and I'd like you to take a

483
00:34:51,240 --> 00:34:58,680
moment and address that in your own words because I think you put it pretty

484
00:34:55,200 --> 00:35:01,079
well yeah I mean there really is no

485
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:04,320
competition between anybody I'll admit that like when I first got into it I

486
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:07,119
used to kind of look around and look at everybody's numbers and what are you

487
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:11,560
know what I could do to get better and all this but then I just kind of just started like doing my own thing paying

488
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:15,680
attention to what I was doing and learning really to like more and less

489
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:19,000
buddy up with everybody um for a long time it seems like a lot of the PC

490
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:23,839
people all wanted to be like an island they just you know they were afraid to Shar any their ideas afraid to work

491
00:35:22,119 --> 00:35:28,000
together and I've really noticed that over the years the Mac guys have never

492
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:31,400
done that and so I really myself started adopting more of their kind of an

493
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:35,640
outlook on things work with everybody work together and just be one big happy

494
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:40,839
family instead of being an island all by yourself trying to do this absolutely I

495
00:35:38,119 --> 00:35:46,480
agree 100% I mean it it still kind of is funny to me when people post on my video

496
00:35:44,240 --> 00:35:49,760
that you know El's the best tech host or they post on your video that lonus is

497
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:54,400
the best and you know what guys we really don't see it that way uh we see

498
00:35:52,240 --> 00:36:00,119
ourselves as and and this is sort of my take on it is that I see every other you

499
00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:01,760
YouTuber who is doing Tech on YouTube or

500
00:36:00,119 --> 00:36:07,480
making videos on YouTube and making a living out of it as a testament to the

501
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:11,640
solidity of the platform and the legitimacy of what we're doing here I

502
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:16,680
think every other Tech YouTuber that's approaching sponsors and trying to you

503
00:36:14,079 --> 00:36:20,480
know get sponsorship or you know get access to the samples that we need in

504
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:26,119
order to bring you guys timely content is great because it brings attention to

505
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:29,480
YouTube and to video that we otherwise wouldn't be getting if it was just one

506
00:36:27,720 --> 00:36:32,800
dude talking about it to them so I I think it's fantastic yeah I just think

507
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:36,319
it's funny because they leave comments like oh hey he did it before you or so

508
00:36:34,839 --> 00:36:39,560
and so did it before you and I see those same comments on their channels when I

509
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:45,079
do when they don't realize that we all are just doing our own thing and when it

510
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:47,839
hits it hits speaking of things that are

511
00:36:45,079 --> 00:36:52,880
hitting this was an article that is on Tech PowerUp now I don't know what your

512
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:56,240
NDA obligations are but I do have some with respect to the upcoming Radeon

513
00:36:54,440 --> 00:37:01,640
graphics cards so I want to keep the discussion pretty much narrowed in from

514
00:36:58,839 --> 00:37:08,800
my side on what I've already seen posted in other places but Tech PowerUp posted

515
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:10,160
some benchmarks of the Radeon R9 290x

516
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:17,040
which we already know this isn't under NDA is going to be their new Flag ship

517
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:18,240
card based on a new GPU and we saw some

518
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:23,160
interesting results here so there's rumored specs in here as well but we see

519
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:30,240
a trading blows with the Titan so give me give me your thoughts on radon 290x

520
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:33,640
well for me I'm just really glad to see AMD getting something that's new for the

521
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:37,240
people that out there that have been supporting them I mean they've had their

522
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:41,800
cards on the market for a long time we did see the 7990 hit the market but it

523
00:37:40,240 --> 00:37:44,880
doesn't seem like it got very favorable results since the price is like almost

524
00:37:43,359 --> 00:37:50,400
next to giving it away now compared to some of the cards that are coming out but um I'm really looking forward to it

525
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:54,400
and if these guys can actually get the price point down below the Titan and

526
00:37:52,119 --> 00:37:58,880
even if it doesn't beat the Titan if it can even come anywhere near the Titan be

527
00:37:56,240 --> 00:38:02,640
hundreds of less fans are going to be embracing that and enjoying it and being

528
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:06,520
a reviewer myself and you know what it's like when you get new tech stuff then

529
00:38:04,599 --> 00:38:10,119
you have [ __ ] to really talk about when you're on your 10th card of your launch

530
00:38:08,319 --> 00:38:13,839
you're like okay it's the 10th card but now this is fresh this is exciting and

531
00:38:12,319 --> 00:38:18,480
I'm looking forward to it and I know the AMD fans are looking forward to it as

532
00:38:16,319 --> 00:38:22,960
well I'm I'm super stoked and to bring in the pricing thing new egg had their

533
00:38:20,720 --> 00:38:26,599
little yes there was a little snafu on New Egg I don't know if you saw this or

534
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:31,520
not but go go ahead so so they had a pre-order listed and uh uh whenever this

535
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:36,520
happens there's always that dude that decides to go check out like the the the

536
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:39,680
code for the Forum or or for the Forum or web page or whatever it is there's

537
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:44,800
always that dude that goes and finds whatever that isn't supposed to be there

538
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:46,960
so $700 plus but then they could pull a

539
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:52,599
switch R like has happened in the past NVIDIA did it with GTX 680 where pricing

540
00:38:49,839 --> 00:38:57,800
was going to be $6.99 and launch day boom it was $5.99 so they shocked

541
00:38:55,079 --> 00:39:01,560
everyone from AMD to their retailers to their partners with a much more

542
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:06,079
aggressively priced part than we were expecting um based on what we've seen

543
00:39:03,839 --> 00:39:11,000
from the leaked benchmarks on Tech PowerUp performance looks very close to

544
00:39:08,599 --> 00:39:16,520
the Titan however I would take these results with a ginormous grain of salt

545
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:21,400
of salt yes not only because it's pre-release but I mean come on okay elri

546
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:27,040
how many times have you run surround benchmarks only to discover that it is a

547
00:39:24,720 --> 00:39:29,880
freaking nightmare yeah it's most of the time just getting

548
00:39:28,319 --> 00:39:32,920
the setup on its a pain the but you can get it done but those numbers to me are

549
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:38,319
a little bit questionable right out of the gate I'm waiting till we really see what goes on with it I mean now now I

550
00:39:36,839 --> 00:39:42,560
really do think though that the card is going to be very very competitive AMD

551
00:39:40,839 --> 00:39:47,000
wouldn't have held their card so close their sleeve if they didn't have something that was going to come out to

552
00:39:44,720 --> 00:39:51,520
compete and these guys are known to be the price competitors so if they just

553
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:55,240
play their cards right AMD can do a serious damage to the market especially

554
00:39:53,119 --> 00:40:00,560
here around the holiday season a play their cards

555
00:39:57,240 --> 00:40:02,160
oh hey sorry man I love that I didn't

556
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:07,520
catch that what happened here guys you guys sound like you fell off the planet did you guys fall

557
00:40:04,839 --> 00:40:14,079
over no I was just I was I was laughing I love that play your cards right oh

558
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:17,160
that's fantastic so rumored specs has

559
00:40:14,079 --> 00:40:20,000
the die size was a double

560
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:27,960
whammy rumored specs have the die size of the 290x at higher than the 7970 now

561
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:29,920
we saw AMD revise their y significantly

562
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:36,920
with the release of the 3870 where NVIDIA remained committed to

563
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:39,359
the gigantic monolithic GPU that was

564
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:43,839
extremely expensive to engineer produced a lot of heat and was extremely

565
00:40:41,119 --> 00:40:48,880
expensive to build and put on cards when AMD said no our strategy is going to be

566
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:54,400
multi-GPU for the future we're going to build smaller gpus and our Flagship part

567
00:40:51,560 --> 00:41:01,920
will always be two of them together do you see a larger die than what we saw on

568
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:04,800
Cayman XT which was the 7970 7950 series

569
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:08,920
as a departure from that strategy and what does this mean to be honest with

570
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:12,640
you lonus during that a lot of that last thing I couldn't hear most of it would

571
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:15,640
it I'm sorry apologize everybody can can you resay a lot of it because I couldn't

572
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:21,040
hear you guys it broke up really bad on the Skype connection oh shoot sorry

573
00:41:17,839 --> 00:41:23,599
about that okay so do you see AMD's new

574
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:30,119
GPU which is rumored to be much larger than the 7970 GPU in terms of die area

575
00:41:27,359 --> 00:41:37,520
do you see that as a as an admission of defeat on their strategy of having two

576
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:39,839
smaller gpus so 387x 2 48 7x2 two

577
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:43,839
smaller gpus together make up their high-end

578
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:47,640
strategy um I I think that AMD is just trying to stick to what they know best

579
00:41:45,599 --> 00:41:51,280
and trying to like get the technology to be smaller and smaller and smaller

580
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:55,520
always causes some type of problems these guys right now really just wanted

581
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:59,400
to get a cards and cards out there that could seriously compete with NVIDIA

582
00:41:57,240 --> 00:42:03,480
since we guys all know the Titans so far just suck the market up so I think AMD

583
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:07,280
is just trying to really stick to what they know right now I think in launches

584
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:10,200
that we see next year with new stuff we'll see them go back to that again but

585
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:16,400
I think right now they're just trying to really stick with what they

586
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:18,720
know yep I agree I agree 100% now I

587
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:24,559
wanted to move on to this as a separate topic but I guess this Segways in really

588
00:42:21,119 --> 00:42:27,319
really well do you feel like NVIDIA has

589
00:42:24,559 --> 00:42:32,839
been holding back for the last last two years um yes for a fact I mean everybody

590
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:36,160
that I see at NVIDIA is constantly on vacation like you guys all know Del

591
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:41,640
Rizzo every time I see him he's on vacation with his husband around the world sending me a postcard saying hey

592
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:45,240
we love the world if the company really wanted to be that competitive I think

593
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:48,720
we' be see these guys doing a lot more launching and a lot more talking about

594
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:53,599
their product they seem to be right now in cruise control just kicking back and

595
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:58,200
waiting to see what AMD's move is now of course oh sorry go ahead we called this

596
00:42:55,520 --> 00:43:01,800
out like a while ago actually we we've called this out repeatedly because we

597
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:05,760
just we've we've known they've been sitting on this chip for so long just

598
00:43:04,119 --> 00:43:08,520
going oh here's another little bit oh there's another little bit you that's

599
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:14,599
all you need don't worry about it they're just kind of sitting there so for those of you who aren't familiar

600
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:16,240
with the history GTX Titan or gk10 is

601
00:43:14,599 --> 00:43:23,079
the code name it's the same GPU that's in GTX 780 the rumor was that that was

602
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:25,599
always supposed to be the successor to

603
00:43:23,079 --> 00:43:32,240
the GTX 580 That was supposed to be the GTX 680 but the rumor the word on the

604
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:35,200
street is that NVIDIA saw how poorly

605
00:43:32,240 --> 00:43:38,720
7970 performed and remember this was AMD strategy of smaller cores and then

606
00:43:37,359 --> 00:43:43,839
putting two of them together for the highend which they didn't even manage to

607
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:48,760
do until a year plus into that product launch um so when NVIDIA saw how poorly

608
00:43:46,559 --> 00:43:54,200
it performed they basically went well we don't even have to release this as a

609
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:59,000
GeForce GPU and they took what would

610
00:43:54,200 --> 00:44:03,040
have been GTX 66 TI GTX 660 class of

611
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:04,520
product the gk104 GPU and turned that

612
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:08,599
into their high-end product and basically sat on

613
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:15,720
gk10 um you know deployed it in supercomputing applications Tesla and um

614
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:22,040
so so the the basically the rumor is that had NVIDIA or had AMD managed to

615
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:24,440
release something like R9 290x you know

616
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:28,480
uh a year and a half ago we would things would have been different we would have

617
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:34,880
seen we wouldn't have seen A1 thousand GTX Titan yeah yeah I agree with you

618
00:44:31,839 --> 00:44:36,640
100% NVIDIA's had no reason to come back

619
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:40,160
up and swing and it really wouldn't make much sense for them either if they came

620
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:43,599
out with some card now that was super super fast they would put their

621
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:46,160
competitor almost completely out of business and that really wouldn't make

622
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:50,040
sense for them either they don't really want AMD to go anywhere they just want

623
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:53,079
to beat him and they're doing that and they don't have to do much like I said

624
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:56,839
before these guys would not be out on vacation and doing everything if they

625
00:44:55,079 --> 00:45:00,960
wanted to compete they be in the lab talking to their engineers and talking

626
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:04,599
to all of us about something new I don't know about you folks but I haven't heard

627
00:45:02,240 --> 00:45:08,559
about anything crazy new coming out and the the thing about I mean the thing

628
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:13,000
that the viewers need to understand because you know viewers a lot of the

629
00:45:11,119 --> 00:45:17,559
time I feel like don't understand the market dynamics as well as they would if

630
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:21,960
they were part of the industry so the things that viewers need to understand

631
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:26,480
is that it costs a certain amount to make a card whether it's to engineer a

632
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:32,240
new chip or put a complicated VR design on it or a heat sink I mean the heat

633
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:34,000
sink on GTX 780 GTX Titan costs I think

634
00:45:32,240 --> 00:45:39,359
something in the neighborhood of 70 to $80 that's a bomb cost on that heat sink

635
00:45:37,240 --> 00:45:43,640
it's extremely expensive to produce something like that so there is an

636
00:45:40,839 --> 00:45:48,440
actual cost to producing graphics cards um but lus it looks good man it does

637
00:45:46,079 --> 00:45:51,079
look good and I love it but I mean everybody likes reference cards from

638
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:55,200
those guys for the first time ever NVIDIA made reference cards that people

639
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:59,160
actually wanted more than other cards that's a different change for those guys

640
00:45:56,680 --> 00:46:04,079
for sure though so the perception from consumers that more competition just

641
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:09,839
drives pricing down is actually wrong more competition drives a product out of

642
00:46:07,319 --> 00:46:13,880
the market potentially if it costs too much to continue to make it versus how

643
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:17,200
much they can actually sell it for compared to everything else that's out

644
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:21,240
there so if NVIDIA turned around and released Maxwell tomorrow which is their

645
00:46:19,599 --> 00:46:27,640
upcoming architecture and it was twice as fast as the R9 series it's not like

646
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:30,520
they could charge you know uh $1,500 or

647
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:35,520
$2,000 for the top end card it might be lucrative in terms of the profit margin

648
00:46:33,359 --> 00:46:39,599
on the card but it wouldn't be lucrative in terms of the volume they could turn

649
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:43,599
so it's a balancing act where AMD and NVIDIA are constantly playing this game

650
00:46:41,839 --> 00:46:48,400
where they actually carefully unless they do something crazy like 8800 GT

651
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:52,640
they actually carefully slot in a new card so that it performs about like the

652
00:46:50,359 --> 00:46:56,760
old ones except a slightly better value and it's and it makes sense uh we very

653
00:46:55,319 --> 00:47:03,520
rarely see see the market completely upset these days so um from a business

654
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:05,359
standpoint if you can't get as much for

655
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:08,640
your card because people just don't have that much money as it would be worth

656
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:15,400
compared to everything else that's in the market and what your competitor can deliver why do you release something

657
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:18,480
new yeah for NVIDIA there's really no reason at all for them to release any

658
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:22,960
new product right now they can kind of cruise even with even if this card comes

659
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:26,480
out and it's really close they can still say in the long run hey our card's

660
00:47:24,720 --> 00:47:30,119
faster we're going to charge that money and they can wait another generation to

661
00:47:28,240 --> 00:47:33,760
launch their cards plus from what we've heard they do have two more cards that

662
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:37,040
are possibly going to be coming out so we may see something new from them very

663
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:42,160
soon why don't you give the details on those cards because we haven't talked about them at all hit

664
00:47:39,720 --> 00:47:47,079
us um well there're supposed to be a single GPU card coming out and another

665
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:49,920
dual GPU card coming out from NVIDIA um the rumors are flying there's nothing

666
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:53,599
you know concrete that I've actually heard from them directly but we've seen

667
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:56,680
the leaks around the world so we know that something's definitely going to be

668
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:59,800
coming all all these guys are doing right now is sitting back once again

669
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:05,040
they're going to wait for the launch they're going to see how it affects them and then they'll make a decision if

670
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:09,680
there's nothing that they need to do they're going to even hold back on releasing any new cards until probably

671
00:48:08,319 --> 00:48:15,839
we may see something right at the holiday season but if not it'll be in q1

672
00:48:12,319 --> 00:48:17,640
of 2014 so I actually just linked to uh

673
00:48:15,839 --> 00:48:21,400
your article here so the guys this is on Tech of tomorrow.com and the article is

674
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:25,280
NVIDIA cutting video card prices in October to compete with AMD with a

675
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:30,720
question mark on it you know allegedly you know rumored um rumor rumor that

676
00:48:28,599 --> 00:48:35,640
question Mar where El basically says well look we might see a full-fledged

677
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:40,359
Titan not all of the SMX modules and cudic cores are enabled on the GTX Titan

678
00:48:38,240 --> 00:48:46,800
right now we might also see and this has been rumored by NVIDIA themselves a dual

679
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:50,240
GK 110 GPU which would be

680
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:52,760
absolutely Benchmark crushing I mean I'd

681
00:48:50,240 --> 00:48:56,839
love to see it I'd love to see it um with that said for all the viewers that

682
00:48:54,559 --> 00:49:01,200
are kind of about to ask me and about to hit my PM inbox Lon is how do you think

683
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:08,760
it will perform the answer is very simple it'll per fast fast just like two

684
00:49:05,319 --> 00:49:11,079
GK 110s in SLI on separate cards pretty

685
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:15,839
much like that so there there's not a whole lot of Special Sauce to to to go

686
00:49:13,079 --> 00:49:19,400
on here but NVIDIA has actually contacted me and said hey you know get

687
00:49:17,720 --> 00:49:23,000
ready to have these cards so they might be something that they have on paper

688
00:49:21,240 --> 00:49:26,000
they might even have them but they're not yet really sharing them with the

689
00:49:24,559 --> 00:49:30,599
market and saying hey these cards are for sure because believe me as soon as

690
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:35,839
they do you know we'll know well NVIDIA used to be

691
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:40,760
pure uh pure you know consumer graphics cards whereas you look at some of their

692
00:49:37,599 --> 00:49:44,400
initiatives now something like grid

693
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:47,440
already uses dual gk10 gpus on a single

694
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:50,000
PCB so NVIDIA has become and you look at

695
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:53,960
Titan same thing become more about delivering an Enterprise solution and

696
00:49:51,839 --> 00:49:57,640
trickling that technology down to the consumer which is a reversal from what

697
00:49:55,920 --> 00:50:03,599
we saw from them before so I wouldn't be surprised if they are just sitting there

698
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:06,040
waiting for AMD to do something and they

699
00:50:03,599 --> 00:50:10,440
just you know get a consumer friendly looking heat sink and redesign the io to

700
00:50:08,720 --> 00:50:15,240
actually have some ports on it and release something along the lines of

701
00:50:12,119 --> 00:50:17,280
that card now did you guys hear that all

702
00:50:15,240 --> 00:50:21,359
of the two adx cards that are coming out they're not have any reference bottels

703
00:50:19,240 --> 00:50:25,119
whatsoever I'm hearing I'm that every is supposed to have its own cooling from

704
00:50:23,079 --> 00:50:29,440
the company so instead ofing a car with a stick on it I'm hearing that all of

705
00:50:27,240 --> 00:50:32,960
the new 2x cards will be specifically designed by the company that's making

706
00:50:30,839 --> 00:50:39,599
them you guys heard that as well I hadn't heard that but I do know that our

707
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:41,240
sample 290x um is a non-reference card

708
00:50:39,599 --> 00:50:46,559
and I haven't heard of anyone who has gotten a reference card so while AMD did

709
00:50:44,359 --> 00:50:52,640
have reference cards at the event in Hawaii um I haven't I haven't seen any

710
00:50:49,839 --> 00:50:56,400
yet so that could very well be true with that said you know maybe this is a good

711
00:50:54,400 --> 00:51:00,200
opportunity to talk about about what do you think of reference cards versus

712
00:50:58,559 --> 00:51:07,319
non-reference cards because this is a question that we get a ton of um I think

713
00:51:04,599 --> 00:51:13,040
really matters on like who is making the reference card because company will take

714
00:51:09,839 --> 00:51:14,720
a reference card and Sor to sorry uh

715
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:18,960
sorry to interrupt we're getting a we're getting some some breaking up on the

716
00:51:16,319 --> 00:51:24,079
call here can we try redialing you here let's try that one more time here

717
00:51:21,720 --> 00:51:29,559
sorry guys our connection looks good the stream seems to be running just fine

718
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:31,520
still so um just for a minute just just

719
00:51:29,559 --> 00:51:35,640
to be clear guys uh we still have our razor lower third down here but the

720
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:40,440
Razer comm's sponsorship is technically over and El had Skype on his machine so

721
00:51:38,559 --> 00:51:45,440
we we decided to go that route so you're back right I'm

722
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:47,599
here but you still got that robot sound

723
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:52,839
I wonder what's going on here it sounds like you might be being dosed actually

724
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:58,000
would be my suspicion my coms broke that was

725
00:51:56,000 --> 00:52:03,599
actually why I didn't use it but I can try and see if the hear

726
00:52:00,559 --> 00:52:05,440
you yeah I think uh I think you might be

727
00:52:03,599 --> 00:52:12,119
being dosed so um do you happen H okay let's see if

728
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:17,280
we can figure out what we can do isn't actually oh there we go hold on have we

729
00:52:14,799 --> 00:52:22,440
got has has the connection dropped completely no we can hear him still

730
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:25,839
there okay well I'm here you know what why don't you go ahead and sort of we'll

731
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:29,520
see if we can power through and give us a you know what would be do

732
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:32,799
how good of a data plan do you have on your phone do you want to give us a call

733
00:52:31,119 --> 00:52:40,440
from your phone on a mobile network and see if we can we can avoid

734
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:41,520
this um um I I suppose I I I'm in my

735
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:46,359
house I thought this was a good connection um they say that I'm getting

736
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:50,839
bsed or something yeah it's a it's a Skype bug

737
00:52:49,359 --> 00:52:58,000
um there's really not a whole lot that can be done about it but anyone who knows your Skype ID uh is able to uh to

738
00:52:55,400 --> 00:53:02,920
Dos you with impunity it was a problem we were running into on the W show where

739
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:07,799
our shows were getting shut down because someone who knew our Skype ID was was

740
00:53:05,319 --> 00:53:11,599
shutting us down in fact that person that person's probably trying to Dos us

741
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:17,200
right now but don't worry we're using a very secret Skype ID that gets used for

742
00:53:13,599 --> 00:53:18,920
nothing but this so um you know so I've

743
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:23,520
been I've been hacked basically yeah so you guys want

744
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:27,079
me to try to hang up this and then call you back is that saying

745
00:53:25,720 --> 00:53:31,799
it's a little bit better now why don't you give us the reference versus non-reference card bit and let's uh let

746
00:53:30,359 --> 00:53:37,200
try let's let's try it let's see if you can make it all right so check out

747
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:40,000
here's my way now in the past are you

748
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:44,280
guys still there oh yeah okay in the past I thought nid made some of the

749
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:49,200
worst reference coolers around you guys all know everybody called them lawnmowers and everything else they were

750
00:53:47,079 --> 00:53:53,720
super loud in fact everybody kind of suffered from it do you remember the

751
00:53:50,799 --> 00:53:53,720
7950

752
00:53:54,160 --> 00:54:01,880
gx2 how can you not but but like but like I was saying

753
00:53:59,240 --> 00:54:05,400
man like NV now makes a reference card that has a really nice cooler on and

754
00:54:03,799 --> 00:54:09,839
many of the people on my will come to me and say Hey how do you get a hold of

755
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:13,200
that reference design exactly like that and that time it was really cool but

756
00:54:11,359 --> 00:54:17,040
most of the time when companies just take and put some piece of plastic on it

757
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:20,440
and throw a sticker on it I mean I suppose that's it's okay if you're just

758
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:24,079
somebody throwing in a computer and not looking at it but most of the people I

759
00:54:22,319 --> 00:54:27,079
think nowadays they game

760
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:33,960
oh boy yeah no he's uh definitely definitely being dosed so maybe maybe

761
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:38,200
try and bring the connection back in the meantime guys I would love for you to

762
00:54:36,079 --> 00:54:42,200
hit us up on Twitter give us a Twitter Blitz of any questions you have for elri

763
00:54:40,559 --> 00:54:46,920
that you'd like him to address live on the screen

764
00:54:44,319 --> 00:54:50,760
um all right so let's go ahead and move into one of our other topics while we

765
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:55,400
try and get El back I've got someone asking me on uh on Twitter do you even

766
00:54:52,839 --> 00:55:00,000
know what dos is it's just Skype being garbage uh the reality of it is skype's

767
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:04,640
service really just isn't actually that bad and uh yeah it's it's it's probably

768
00:55:03,079 --> 00:55:09,760
not that so do we have you back are you back I am here I don't know how much you

769
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:15,079
guys got but I'm here all right you're back so uh we made it to you don't see

770
00:55:12,119 --> 00:55:19,160
much of a value to board Partners just taking a reference design and slapping a

771
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:22,599
sticker on it uh versus actually designing their own card yeah most of

772
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:26,480
the time I don't really think that's good because I mean there somebody who

773
00:55:24,599 --> 00:55:29,799
doesn't about your computer and you just want to throw it in there and play some

774
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:32,680
games you want a card that's going to look good it's going to be cool going to

775
00:55:31,319 --> 00:55:39,440
have overclocking all that stuff and when these guys go out of their way and they make windforce twin frozer as6 when

776
00:55:37,720 --> 00:55:43,520
they make this extra Cooling and go that extra mile it just seems to make the

777
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:47,319
card be a better card and look better and for the five or $ t0 do that you pay

778
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:51,760
a difference I think the people who take the time to do that are making a better

779
00:55:49,359 --> 00:55:55,200
card now there are some people however who have contacted me like I said who

780
00:55:53,359 --> 00:55:59,599
they really want to get their hands on the reference cards just like they look

781
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:03,880
from Nidia you can get those obviously from EVGA they have those but there are

782
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:07,960
still some people that just made a plastic shroud even for somebody these

783
00:56:05,839 --> 00:56:10,760
newer cars and I don't really appreciate that I think it's better if you go out

784
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:14,839
of your way and take the time to make a better card you're not the reference guy

785
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:19,240
take the time to make a good card yep you know what I agree with you 100%

786
00:56:17,039 --> 00:56:23,920
because there was a time a few years ago when you were looking at paying a lot of

787
00:56:21,119 --> 00:56:28,720
the time for a non-reference card as much as you would pay for the next

788
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:32,960
better GPU so we were getting you know redesigned cards that are a lower tier

789
00:56:31,119 --> 00:56:36,200
of product and then we were getting them sold to us at the price of a higher tier

790
00:56:34,839 --> 00:56:39,400
product with performance that was about the same but they'd be overclocked

791
00:56:38,039 --> 00:56:45,280
already and yeah you'd have a little bit more Headroom out of them but usually you were better off just buying a better

792
00:56:42,599 --> 00:56:49,839
GPU in the first place whereas now it's like you said it usually costs like what

793
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:55,359
an extra 10 bucks 15 bucks to get something like a direct cu2 or a

794
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:56,920
windforce or um or a a twin froz card

795
00:56:55,359 --> 00:57:02,400
that has better Cooling and in the case of direct cu2 in particular um ASUS has

796
00:56:59,599 --> 00:57:07,599
done a great job of having completely non-reference redesign cards ready at

797
00:57:05,319 --> 00:57:12,640
launch a lot of the time so I I think there's a very compelling value to be

798
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:12,640
had there the

799
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:21,599
only sorry we can't uh we we can't make

800
00:57:18,319 --> 00:57:23,440
you out again but um you know what I

801
00:57:21,599 --> 00:57:27,520
think uh we're we're getting we're getting some we're getting some some

802
00:57:25,079 --> 00:57:30,839
complaints here on the stream about just how bad the voice quality is you know

803
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:36,680
what I'm sorry we might have to let you go El um is he is he still able to hear

804
00:57:34,039 --> 00:57:41,720
me through probably not he can hear us fine yeah I hear you guys fine sorry

805
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:47,000
you're breaking up too bad so you know what um thank you so much for coming on

806
00:57:44,359 --> 00:57:52,319
as a guest um since they can't really hear you I'll I guess what I'll have to

807
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:56,799
do is just kind of do your outro for you

808
00:57:52,319 --> 00:57:56,799
hey I hope you can hear that

809
00:58:02,039 --> 00:58:07,640
sorry man we got nothing you're gonna you're going to have to let's do it yeah

810
00:58:05,559 --> 00:58:12,839
I I'll I'll cut it but do an outro for yeah okay so guys just so you know

811
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:18,000
that's elri he's got over 200,000 subscribers on the YouTubes which is all

812
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:23,000
the more impressive because he had to restart his channel he got a lot of

813
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:27,000
support from his viewers formerly on the youtube.com/ motherboard zorg Channel

814
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:31,720
they have flocked over there they have helped spread the word and it is now at

815
00:58:29,039 --> 00:58:36,480
the point where Tech of Tomorrow has more subscribers than the

816
00:58:33,319 --> 00:58:38,440
motherboards.org channel ever had and uh

817
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:43,359
he is he is definitely he's got faster growth than ever before and I think it's

818
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:49,480
I think it's a really cool um I think it's a really cool example of how

819
00:58:45,599 --> 00:58:50,920
YouTubers can basically come back and

820
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:55,319
with the support of their communities can really make a go of it in spite of

821
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:59,440
some some really challenging stuff that happened uh quite a few months ago it

822
00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:03,119
must have been about 10 months ago now to uh to El yeah it was cuz it was right

823
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:08,200
around the time that we went Indie so guys you can follow him at Tech tomorrow

824
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:15,920
on YouTube or you can go over to teof tomorrow.com and uh check him out so

825
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:20,079
parents Minecraft is um apparently a big

826
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:24,799
problem so this was a post on Kaku which

827
00:59:20,079 --> 00:59:27,960
uh I mean oh come on okay so now we

828
00:59:24,799 --> 00:59:30,280
heard it all Minecraft blamed in school

829
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:37,400
violence case it should be noted that the kid took an unloaded gun to school

830
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:41,039
and there was no there to to to give a little bit to the guy who's an idiot

831
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:47,319
there was no firing pin in the gun the kid should not have been able to get a

832
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:49,240
pistol with a with ammo but there at

833
00:59:47,319 --> 00:59:53,839
least was no firing pin so there was no firing pin however the kid did have a

834
00:59:51,599 --> 00:59:59,559
steak knife and a small handled sledgehammer so arguably as far as

835
00:59:57,319 --> 01:00:04,480
things that we'd consider to be weapons go the only one was a gun and then as

836
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:08,680
far as things that we'd consider to be functional weapons go the sledgehammer

837
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:13,480
and the knife are probably actually the most potent out of everything with with

838
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:20,720
that said threatening with a gun is is a very big deal but the kid never actually

839
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:22,760
um didn't threatened anyone so so he had

840
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:26,559
them at school which is terrible and the kid basically says

841
01:00:27,359 --> 01:00:35,119
well they use hammers to dig and knives and guns to protect themselves from

842
01:00:31,799 --> 01:00:36,880
zombies this was the not the kid yeah

843
01:00:35,119 --> 01:00:40,039
this was the wait what I'm pretty sure that was the dad was it not yeah that

844
01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:42,960
was the dad so I thought Oh I thought you were saying that that was the radio

845
01:00:41,559 --> 01:00:47,559
station so so when the dad was interviewed he clearly didn't have a

846
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:52,480
very clear understanding of how mcraft Works how Minecraft works because

847
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:55,520
digging is normally done with a shovel

848
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:57,039
or and Mining is done with a a pickaxe

849
01:00:55,520 --> 01:01:03,240
or he doesn't understand how digging and Mining work because I don't know anyone who digs or mines with it so I mean

850
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:10,760
really what this calls into question is the um the uh uh the the comprehension

851
01:01:07,559 --> 01:01:12,760
of situations of he's trying he he he

852
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:18,640
took his situation he sat there and went okay everything that went wrong was kind

853
01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:21,079
of my fault now what is applicable that

854
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:25,720
I can throw poo at to make this look bad instead of me and just randomly was like

855
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:30,520
he plays viget game everyone blames VI games I'm going to blame VI games and I

856
01:01:27,799 --> 01:01:34,480
mean I personally you know as a parent now I do I think that something like

857
01:01:32,599 --> 01:01:37,960
Grand Theft Auto 5 is something that I want my kid playing the answer is no I

858
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:41,760
was I was going to say hopefully no the answer is no and you know what I don't

859
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:48,760
even I'm not even of the mind that you know at 16 or 18 necessarily that people

860
01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:51,760
should be influenced by that kind of

861
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:54,000
media with that said there's worse out

862
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:58,160
there that isn't in a video game this much is true and with that said I'm a

863
01:01:56,480 --> 01:02:03,160
pretty firm believer in the whole nurture versus nature and I lean more

864
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:08,000
towards the nature side do I believe that playing a violent video game takes

865
01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:11,839
an otherwise fuzzy warm would never hurt a fly person and turns them into a

866
01:02:09,559 --> 01:02:15,720
serial killer the answer is no do I think that some desensitization goes on

867
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:19,599
the answer is yes and you're you're basically wrong if you don't think that

868
01:02:17,799 --> 01:02:23,000
desensitization is a thing but desensitization also doesn't make you do

869
01:02:21,599 --> 01:02:28,119
anything it just makes you not necessarily react in crazy so the one

870
01:02:25,279 --> 01:02:33,119
thing that that does bother me is I do think that there is probably potentially

871
01:02:30,839 --> 01:02:37,720
and I'm putting a lot of stuff in here probably maybe po I think that if you

872
01:02:35,079 --> 01:02:43,000
lean that way in the first place you might get a few interesting cool ideas

873
01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:46,920
that you could go ahead and act on that you might not have otherwise thought of

874
01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:51,240
but not really from Minecraft no not from Minecraft that's ridiculous nothing

875
01:02:49,119 --> 01:02:54,760
like a sword and my thing was like a sword and a bow and arrow if you can

876
01:02:53,039 --> 01:02:59,640
translate his whatever the the heck that he brought up what what kid didn't carve

877
01:02:57,279 --> 01:03:03,520
their toast into a sword and sword fight with their brother like 100% what kid

878
01:03:01,599 --> 01:03:08,319
doesn't go to camp and sharpen the end of a stick and like poke random things

879
01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:15,200
you know sword fights or whatever like you're a kid yeah like come

880
01:03:11,319 --> 01:03:17,760
on any media any book you've like ever

881
01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:20,640
read ever has some sort of there's there's the the mice whatever that book

882
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:26,039
was called but the mice have little swords and shields and stuff like it's

883
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:27,839
it's just it's or whatever that Series

884
01:03:26,039 --> 01:03:33,799
yeah like it's just anyway this doesn't deserve any more of our attention let's

885
01:03:29,680 --> 01:03:34,880
move on to a yeah this surprised the

886
01:03:33,799 --> 01:03:40,039
crap out of me I can't believe they're shipping Titans I had no idea that this

887
01:03:38,599 --> 01:03:46,240
was the approach valve was going to take so they're talking about the prototypes

888
01:03:42,599 --> 01:03:49,640
that they're going to send out 300 of to

889
01:03:46,240 --> 01:03:51,799
Lucky folks who potentially very lucky

890
01:03:49,640 --> 01:03:58,000
potentially very lucky folks who apply to participate in the Prototype test of

891
01:03:54,839 --> 01:04:00,079
steam's steam box gaming console that's

892
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:05,319
going to have the Steam OS on it and there are okay so the 300 prototype

893
01:04:02,119 --> 01:04:08,599
units will ship with the following

894
01:04:05,319 --> 01:04:12,440
components some will have NVIDIA

895
01:04:08,599 --> 01:04:15,359
Titans some will have GTX 780s some 6

896
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:19,480
70s and some 660s so we're talking mid-range to highend gpus I was really

897
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:24,799
expecting steam box to be more of a value oriented remember though what what

898
01:04:21,799 --> 01:04:26,640
what I brought up last week is that Val

899
01:04:24,799 --> 01:04:31,200
the steam box from valve if you buy a steam box from valve it's going to be

900
01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:35,839
heavily customizable so it's going to be a desktop PC and it's going to come with

901
01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:44,640
baller Hardware that's been the idea then everyone else will have size or um

902
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:46,240
value like price or or or low power

903
01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:49,640
consumption that kind of stuff valve is going for the beast machine PCS which is

904
01:04:48,319 --> 01:04:53,960
probably not going to sell as many in my opinion but so these are but I mean

905
01:04:51,559 --> 01:04:58,240
valve has such brand Equity that they could could say well look no if you want

906
01:04:56,160 --> 01:05:01,520
the Ultimate steambox Experience you can get it this way or you can go work with

907
01:05:00,079 --> 01:05:05,799
a third party or you can build your own or whatever but we're valves so if you

908
01:05:03,119 --> 01:05:08,680
want one built by us boom boom exactly and and something that's been

909
01:05:06,839 --> 01:05:12,200
interesting is Boutique system Builders we kind of rag on it every once in a

910
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:15,559
while because it's so hard to effectively be a boutique system builder

911
01:05:14,319 --> 01:05:20,240
this might be the only point in time where it makes sense because if you

912
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:23,880
build uh Steam Machines you're getting into an audience where they don't want

913
01:05:21,599 --> 01:05:29,799
to build their own computer eventally yep and they want something that's not

914
01:05:27,119 --> 01:05:32,680
an HP yeah so they want something that's built for that application so it might

915
01:05:31,359 --> 01:05:38,359
make more sense the rest of the specs look great as well inel 4770s or 4570s

916
01:05:36,119 --> 01:05:44,520
there's going to be some i3s storage is going to be at 1 TB8 gig hybrid sshd it

917
01:05:42,200 --> 01:05:49,200
sounds like seates Drive um in all likelihood power supply will be an

918
01:05:46,119 --> 01:05:50,520
internal 450 watt because valve actually

919
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:58,359
understands that you don't need a 1200 wat power supply even to power something like a Titan Al although 450 watt is

920
01:05:55,279 --> 01:06:01,160
probably borderline for 4770 in a Titan

921
01:05:58,359 --> 01:06:06,200
um and then finally 16 gigs of RAM so they are really going Balls to the walls

922
01:06:03,559 --> 01:06:09,000
on the hardware here which leads us into unless you had something else to say

923
01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:14,000
about valves prototype just just the Titan thing is that they're they're not

924
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:16,319
going to be U I don't think any of these

925
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:20,440
like I think what they're expecting is that if you're getting a prototype that

926
01:06:18,559 --> 01:06:25,039
if you they're saying fully customizable right yeah so if you want to overclock

927
01:06:21,799 --> 01:06:27,119
like crazy and do heavier things on it

928
01:06:25,039 --> 01:06:31,200
that you could put in a bigger power probably it's fully customizable because

929
01:06:29,079 --> 01:06:37,000
I think protype has to work out of the box I mean I think it'll work okay

930
01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:41,799
that'll work all right so uh

931
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:44,200
xi3 to unveil the Piston so this is

932
01:06:41,799 --> 01:06:49,599
apparently going to be shipping as soon as what was it mid November mid November

933
01:06:47,559 --> 01:06:54,920
for folks who pre-ordered them a while ago and late November like the end of

934
01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:59,880
November I think the 29th for folks who want to order one now so they are saying

935
01:06:58,039 --> 01:07:05,720
okay it's a powerful gaming system however powerful is very relative it is

936
01:07:03,160 --> 01:07:09,720
not that powerful compared to what valve will be shipping as prototypes because

937
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:14,839
this is going to be what I'd consider to be more like um more like a NextGen

938
01:07:12,839 --> 01:07:20,200
console in terms of CPU power but the GPU power will actually be less this is

939
01:07:17,119 --> 01:07:22,559
an APU based machine so here you can see

940
01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:29,039
what it looks like um Apu based machine it'll be powerful for its

941
01:07:25,079 --> 01:07:31,599
yeah it's tiny so it's 4 in by 4 in by 4

942
01:07:29,039 --> 01:07:36,880
in um their website has a bunch of different pictures on it including a

943
01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:40,880
dude wearing it as like a backpack so you can see that right here and wearing

944
01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:45,440
what looks like a VR device and a interesting because of certain things

945
01:07:42,920 --> 01:07:49,400
that don't make sense but kind of Epic if you can make it work that'd be

946
01:07:47,039 --> 01:07:53,680
awesome like there's no battery or they haven't I I looked like crazy I spent a

947
01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:56,799
really long time on this topic because I was digging through everything trying to

948
01:07:55,480 --> 01:08:04,160
find if there's a battery I'm like how is this guy wearing it in the backpack okay here's my here's my suggestion I

949
01:08:00,799 --> 01:08:06,000
would suggest that it uses DC in because

950
01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:10,520
it's going to be relatively low power and if that were the case you saw that

951
01:08:08,520 --> 01:08:15,799
huge external battery that edel bought right uh 25,000 milliamp battery you

952
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:19,560
could buy a half a dozen of them daisy chain them and you could it's if you

953
01:08:17,759 --> 01:08:23,319
look in my notes I was saying something I would love to do is throw this in a

954
01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:26,759
backpack with a huge pile of batteries and then go to and something I thought

955
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:30,600
of this is we always have our like crazy off-the-wall theories so this is one of

956
01:08:28,279 --> 01:08:38,600
mine um is you could go into a paintball Arena or a uh laser tag arena and have

957
01:08:34,319 --> 01:08:40,279
that space mapped out into the thing and

958
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:44,640
then go around with a gun where you Oculus Rift and have fake enemies all

959
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:49,480
over the place that would be how epic or even better yet real enemies real enem

960
01:08:47,679 --> 01:08:54,759
but then you have to have you you would just have to have some sort of uh like

961
01:08:52,359 --> 01:08:57,839
positional tracking on the back could where they were Oculus in its

962
01:08:56,279 --> 01:09:02,199
current form where you connect it to a desktop PC is fascinating but it's

963
01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:07,480
everything else that's going to be super cool this is going to be just freaking

964
01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:12,080
insane so okay so the Piston can power up to three displays who cares because

965
01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:14,600
the GPU is just plain not that powerful it's going to have I think 8 gigs of RAM

966
01:09:13,480 --> 01:09:20,319
in its stock configuration uh it's an APU it start

967
01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:26,679
with 128 gab SSD but you can upgrade to two 512s y so those are just standard

968
01:09:22,279 --> 01:09:29,440
MSA drives super small tons of IO so 12

969
01:09:26,679 --> 01:09:32,679
usb2 ports DisplayPort mini DisplayPort all kinds of great stuff so you can

970
01:09:31,239 --> 01:09:39,440
see what they've got planned there uh sorry four of them were USB 3.0 ports

971
01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:41,759
and so this is I think um I think this

972
01:09:39,440 --> 01:09:46,799
ties in really well to a topic that I was talking to Chris pillo about at the

973
01:09:43,799 --> 01:09:49,279
airport when we were in Hawaii and I got

974
01:09:46,799 --> 01:09:55,400
a lot of flack in the comments under his video which I basically said uh PS4 Xbox

975
01:09:52,839 --> 01:09:59,600
One is the last generation of dedicated gaming consoles there's people in

976
01:09:57,280 --> 01:10:03,400
dedicated gaming media that have said that I don't know if you've heard this

977
01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:08,199
so so hold on the people that were arguing with me seem to have largely not

978
01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:13,520
watched the video because what they're saying is mobile will never replace the

979
01:10:11,239 --> 01:10:18,920
big screen experience with a controller I didn't say that I didn't say that he's

980
01:10:16,280 --> 01:10:23,320
a dedicated cons at all I said a dedicated box for I had one guy say well

981
01:10:21,280 --> 01:10:29,840
this guy's an idiot because it might be something integrated into your TV yeah I

982
01:10:26,120 --> 01:10:32,960
said that in the video con the the couch

983
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:34,719
gaming experience isn't going away no

984
01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:39,840
that would be a stupid thing to say that would be ridiculous what I said is that

985
01:10:37,199 --> 01:10:44,040
if this generation of consoles has a life cycle that's as long as the last

986
01:10:41,640 --> 01:10:48,280
one of about 8 years we will have outgrown it by8 years from now there's

987
01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:54,120
people speculating 10 years and in 10 years if your phone can't plug in to

988
01:10:51,080 --> 01:10:56,480
your TV and power the whole thing what

989
01:10:54,120 --> 01:11:01,920
were we doing for 10 years yes you look at how quickly it's moving right now

990
01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:04,440
compared to the compared to the speed at

991
01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:08,920
which larger devices are moving we're moving towards smaller cores that are

992
01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:14,320
very powerful but also very power efficient and that's where all the developments going nobody gives any

993
01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:20,120
cares about building a new cell processor yeah okay so no I'm not saying

994
01:11:18,920 --> 01:11:23,640
you're not going to sit on your couch with a controller and play games people

995
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:28,719
will still do that that will that will pretty much always be a thing but to

996
01:11:26,040 --> 01:11:33,840
imagine that you need a dedicated device that exists just for playing games on

997
01:11:30,440 --> 01:11:35,960
your TV in 8 years is ridiculous so I

998
01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:40,080
really think that platforms like I suggested in the video that Android or

999
01:11:38,040 --> 01:11:45,000
iOS could potentially take a chunk of this and people are like oh the the game

1000
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:48,560
devs will continue to develop for V come

1001
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:50,239
on what Nintendo is still going to exist

1002
01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:54,120
as a hardware manufacturer in 8 years are you kidding me good luck I challenge

1003
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:58,239
you Nintendo because platforms like open platforms

1004
01:11:56,480 --> 01:12:02,920
like Android will attract game developers we have seen who was it

1005
01:12:01,080 --> 01:12:06,800
someone see I could see devices from Nintendo running Android sure that

1006
01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:12,560
that's actually I had to talk with a friend about that that would be like that would be a rebranding exercise more

1007
01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:17,880
than anything okay fine fine okay fine fine fine but to suggest that closed

1008
01:12:15,480 --> 01:12:23,080
platforms will continue to be a thing I think is ridiculous we've seen already I

1009
01:12:20,639 --> 01:12:30,719
think it was $15 was the most expensive game on the App Store and it's selling

1010
01:12:27,239 --> 01:12:32,280
so no you don't have to develop for and

1011
01:12:30,719 --> 01:12:36,960
and we can prove that you don't have to develop for a closed platform and all of

1012
01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:40,840
a sudden anyone on their phone or TV or Shield or whatever else can consume your

1013
01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:44,120
game you're going to be hitting so much larger of an audience what do game devs

1014
01:12:42,480 --> 01:12:47,800
look for they look for where are people willing to spend money people love

1015
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:53,719
buying apps and they look for where is a large install base why do you develop

1016
01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:56,560
for Xbox 360 because there's Mill ions

1017
01:12:53,719 --> 01:13:01,760
of them out there why do you develop for Android Windows phone because there's

1018
01:12:59,800 --> 01:13:08,440
millions of them out there the install base for Android will completely Eclipse

1019
01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:10,400
anything that PS4 or Xbox One combined

1020
01:13:08,440 --> 01:13:13,440
could hope to accomplish eight years from now in fact probably already and

1021
01:13:12,040 --> 01:13:18,400
we're going to look at cell phones that you will own in not that long that will

1022
01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:22,760
be more powerful than that console that you own yes that is going to happen so

1023
01:13:20,840 --> 01:13:26,920
when I brought up plugging your phone into the TV has because your phone will

1024
01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:31,159
be better than the console that you also have loaded into the TV so there you go

1025
01:13:29,000 --> 01:13:36,280
guys yes it'll hold on and yes this generation of consoles will continue to

1026
01:13:33,239 --> 01:13:38,320
exist but and and you know what okay may

1027
01:13:36,280 --> 01:13:41,560
maybe we'll see one more but I don't think it'll be that successful I don't

1028
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:44,679
think it'll be that big of a deal that's that's another thing like Nintendo not

1029
01:13:43,320 --> 01:13:49,600
making their own device like they might still be making their own device it might be side by side like there might

1030
01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:54,400
be a dedicated Nintendo one and an Android one or they might just be struggling along it just won't be on the

1031
01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:58,639
scale it currently is we might see we might see some kind of an evolution

1032
01:13:56,199 --> 01:14:01,880
where um games could be platform specific like Nintendo could lock down

1033
01:14:00,520 --> 01:14:05,679
Nintendo games to only run on their Android thing I I don't see that

1034
01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:08,840
happening though um I I could see it happening I don't know why they would

1035
01:14:07,120 --> 01:14:13,679
it'll all come down to game devs though and I mean people making the argument in

1036
01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:15,800
the comments as well that oh yeah I'm

1037
01:14:13,679 --> 01:14:19,520
going to replace my GTA 5 gaming experience with Angry Birds yeah Angry

1038
01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:23,679
Birds isn't the only game that runs on Android like let's get over that let's

1039
01:14:21,560 --> 01:14:27,920
just move past that we don't have G 5 running on Android but at some point it

1040
01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:33,600
will be it will be capable of doing it and if there's money to be made by doing

1041
01:14:30,719 --> 01:14:36,840
that I mean you'd be crazy as a Game Dev to not develop for a platform where

1042
01:14:35,520 --> 01:14:41,920
people will throw buckets of money at you one of the main reasons why I was interested in Ubuntu Edge back to

1043
01:14:40,199 --> 01:14:46,239
throwing way back to this was because once you plugged it into a computer or a

1044
01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:50,880
monitor and it detected that setup was going on it it would completely change

1045
01:14:48,520 --> 01:14:54,760
it would boot into Ubuntu desktop OS instead of Ubuntu mobile OS and I found

1046
01:14:52,960 --> 01:14:58,840
that fascinating because you can plug your phone into a screen that's bigger

1047
01:14:56,440 --> 01:15:02,280
than it and it still sucks because it's a mobile OS and it's all weird and

1048
01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:06,679
whatever absolutely but if it's boots into a desktop OS how about you plug

1049
01:15:04,440 --> 01:15:11,239
your phone into your TV it boots into a console OS sure and we've seen glimmers

1050
01:15:09,320 --> 01:15:15,840
of that with Android already and things like the AC Transformer yeah where okay

1051
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:20,719
yeah yeah mouse keyboard support sure yeah have a more desktop like experience

1052
01:15:17,719 --> 01:15:22,400
there's no reason I mean eight years

1053
01:15:20,719 --> 01:15:28,480
it's a really long time it's a really long time 8 years we've seen smartphones

1054
01:15:26,040 --> 01:15:31,560
come into existence yeah to where we are today like like when you just think 8

1055
01:15:30,199 --> 01:15:35,920
years it doesn't seem like that long but actually go back and look try and figure

1056
01:15:33,639 --> 01:15:40,040
out what tech you owned eight years ago and then just be like it's laughable so

1057
01:15:38,440 --> 01:15:48,360
okay let's move into our next topic because I think I've ranted about that enough the Silk

1058
01:15:43,679 --> 01:15:50,239
Road has been busted open so you know

1059
01:15:48,360 --> 01:15:55,000
what you're you're more into this whole stuff than me so go ahead to to First

1060
01:15:52,840 --> 01:15:58,440
explain expl what it is it's a it's a it's a website on the quote unquote

1061
01:15:57,040 --> 01:16:04,840
people hate it when I say quote unquote quote darket unquote there we go

1062
01:16:02,159 --> 01:16:09,920
um I got called up for that a ton one live stream um that that that uses

1063
01:16:07,320 --> 01:16:14,080
Bitcoins and a weird way of transferring Bitcoins to sell drugs or narcotics so

1064
01:16:12,199 --> 01:16:19,719
they would sell or fake ID or fake IDs or anything that you would sell on the

1065
01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:21,920
black market quote unquote um would

1066
01:16:19,719 --> 01:16:26,639
would go on this website so the idea of it was that you could only access it

1067
01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:33,120
through a tour Network it was a onion website so it wasn't they have a weird

1068
01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:35,040
crazy URL um which is in the dock for

1069
01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:40,679
people that are interested but wouldn't exactly suggest going right now um and

1070
01:16:38,360 --> 01:16:46,120
like it users would connect to it by going behind a proxy like hot Hotspot

1071
01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:48,040
Shield or something and then tore up

1072
01:16:46,120 --> 01:16:53,639
behind that and then they'd be able to access the website so it was below

1073
01:16:50,159 --> 01:16:56,880
layers of security and the idea was that

1074
01:16:53,639 --> 01:16:59,520
everyone sellers buyers owners was

1075
01:16:56,880 --> 01:17:02,480
completely Anonymous yeah and that helps and these these onion websites how all

1076
01:17:01,480 --> 01:17:06,239
they work and all that kind of stuff it's tons of anonymity and then even the

1077
01:17:04,600 --> 01:17:10,760
way that the Bitcoins are transferred in between people helped because you know

1078
01:17:08,280 --> 01:17:15,040
Bitcoin transactions are traceable so the way that they went around was in

1079
01:17:12,520 --> 01:17:18,440
this weird like scrambled or something yeah so so you could you could follow it

1080
01:17:17,040 --> 01:17:23,480
but it was really confusing and it was pretty much impossible to find who it actually ended up with blah blah blah

1081
01:17:21,480 --> 01:17:29,920
blah blah all that kind of stuff so what happened was the not the original

1082
01:17:26,080 --> 01:17:33,320
Creator but the guy that took it over um

1083
01:17:29,920 --> 01:17:35,639
so that's Ross alpr or or what was his

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01:17:33,320 --> 01:17:40,360
what was his tag dread pirate Roberts there we go yeah as a as a throwback to

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01:17:37,520 --> 01:17:44,000
an an old movie um I love that movie it's awesome yeah it's one of your

1086
01:17:41,880 --> 01:17:47,679
favorites yes I think some people will know what we're talking about Princess

1087
01:17:45,120 --> 01:17:52,520
Bride yeah there um sorry what was going to say yeah so he he has posts on like

1088
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:56,639
stack Overflow which I Linked In the document which you guys can check out

1089
01:17:54,239 --> 01:18:00,520
which is just like K and like people knew it was him and he's talking about

1090
01:17:58,440 --> 01:18:06,280
like securing onion websites and it's just like K and then in in PMS to a few

1091
01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:10,480
users he put his his personal email address which had his name on it so it's

1092
01:18:08,560 --> 01:18:15,760
like okay and then the FBI has been on him forever he he tried to place two

1093
01:18:13,239 --> 01:18:20,120
Hitman contracts through FBI agents not knowing that they're FBI agents he tried

1094
01:18:17,560 --> 01:18:25,920
to buy a kilogram of coke through FBI agents like he's for for for running

1095
01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:31,360
this like super secret crazy thing that tons of people were on where's my

1096
01:18:28,040 --> 01:18:33,040
metrics there's 146,000 unique buyer

1097
01:18:31,360 --> 01:18:37,840
accounts now in saying that there was almost a million accounts it's just

1098
01:18:35,280 --> 01:18:41,880
146,000 unique buyer accounts these people that actually put through

1099
01:18:39,199 --> 01:18:45,560
transactions and there was 9 million Bitcoins transferred through this thing

1100
01:18:43,800 --> 01:18:50,560
if you break that down that's as far as I know like billions of dollars 1.2

1101
01:18:47,880 --> 01:18:54,159
billion today would be the uh yeah so the sales revenue of more than 95

1102
01:18:52,360 --> 01:18:58,960
million bit Bitcoins valued at 1.2 billion and and people figured out that

1103
01:18:55,920 --> 01:19:02,800
was like a huge percentage of all

1104
01:18:58,960 --> 01:19:04,440
Bitcoin transactions going half yeah so

1105
01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:10,000
we're we're through this website when this got when this got when when he got

1106
01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:14,880
busted um Bitcoin fell by

1107
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:16,440
29% immediately which like wow for

1108
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:20,679
people that were trying to keep Bitcoin up on the up and up and like the good

1109
01:19:18,719 --> 01:19:23,480
kind of situation you just lost a lot of and it's one of those things where we

1110
01:19:21,880 --> 01:19:29,199
you know we look at bit and we kind of go yeah great idea but if you're ever

1111
01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:31,679
going to be legit this kind of crap

1112
01:19:29,199 --> 01:19:34,880
isn't going to help because because all people are going to see it for because

1113
01:19:32,760 --> 01:19:38,880
they had this whole the mentality behind the site was that they thought that all

1114
01:19:37,360 --> 01:19:45,239
of this should be okay and should be legal and they were trying to make their own way of doing it like it had a

1115
01:19:42,679 --> 01:19:48,440
underlying philosophy and that's going to be completely ignored now that it's

1116
01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:53,560
been busted open and the runner was trying to get people killed because that's what people are going to focus on

1117
01:19:51,800 --> 01:19:58,719
um so your whole underly philosophy just got blown the crap up and it's it's it's

1118
01:19:56,760 --> 01:20:04,199
now everyone is going to hear about this it's huge on the news and all it says is

1119
01:20:01,159 --> 01:20:06,480
Bitcoin is bad so that's a problem a

1120
01:20:04,199 --> 01:20:10,800
real shame it is it's actually I mean I think we should look at this as just

1121
01:20:08,880 --> 01:20:14,639
from sort of a thousand foot view what a shame uh what a shame for Bitcoin what a

1122
01:20:13,080 --> 01:20:19,920
shame for alternative currency in general because you know even even other

1123
01:20:17,760 --> 01:20:23,880
currencies like Litecoin are going to suffer as a result of the negative image

1124
01:20:22,400 --> 01:20:28,600
of bit coin and I mean it's one of those things where we look at it and we go well the whole point is we want to get

1125
01:20:26,320 --> 01:20:32,840
away from governments dictating what we can or cannot buy where we can and

1126
01:20:30,120 --> 01:20:37,000
cannot spend our money etc etc etc but the problem is that it seems you know

1127
01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:42,480
like if I say this I think it will be true it seems like uh if people want to

1128
01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:46,360
avoid having the government snooping in their Affairs well this is what they're

1129
01:20:43,800 --> 01:20:51,320
doing well okay and that for half of the people using Bitcoins it was true at

1130
01:20:48,719 --> 01:20:54,600
least the the drug thing aside because there's so many laws changing that field

1131
01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:58,800
right now so whether or not you think it's bad or not completely ignoring that

1132
01:20:57,159 --> 01:21:02,679
I think the part where it really stepped over the line was where he was trying to

1133
01:21:00,280 --> 01:21:07,600
get people kills well yeah of course so it just um so so so so that's the

1134
01:21:05,239 --> 01:21:12,199
perception that will be that will exist for half of all the transactions that

1135
01:21:09,639 --> 01:21:15,120
were occurring using Bitcoin yeah and that's that's all allegedly we haven't

1136
01:21:13,960 --> 01:21:21,159
confirmed that number through investigative journalism that half of the transactions were but but uh I I

1137
01:21:18,840 --> 01:21:24,719
think part of that too is because of the kind of back loopy way that they're

1138
01:21:23,159 --> 01:21:29,360
doing transactions they bounced around a lot right so that inflated the number

1139
01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:34,199
like crazy but still 9 million Bitcoins it wasn't a small amount so yeah so one

1140
01:21:32,400 --> 01:21:39,320
of the uh that so he actually ended up getting busted due to a r a random

1141
01:21:36,880 --> 01:21:43,920
routine package inspection where he was having some fake documents shipped over

1142
01:21:41,199 --> 01:21:47,960
the border and uh so there was one of them was a California driver's license

1143
01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:52,360
with his photograph and birth date but a different name so they ended up being

1144
01:21:50,920 --> 01:21:56,440
able to put enough of it together that they were able to to bust him Canadians

1145
01:21:54,760 --> 01:22:01,199
ended up catching him and one thing that is kind of go Canada sucky in this is go

1146
01:21:59,400 --> 01:22:04,960
Canada but a huge amount of the transactions and a huge amount of people

1147
01:22:02,800 --> 01:22:09,880
on the website were Canadian well okay so let's go

1148
01:22:07,920 --> 01:22:16,199
Canada kind of oh yeah all righty then we have a

1149
01:22:13,560 --> 01:22:20,600
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1150
01:22:18,159 --> 01:22:24,120
start talking about cheating in Android benchmarks and I almost feel a little

1151
01:22:22,679 --> 01:22:29,199
little bit sort of weird talking about this right now but um whatever your

1152
01:22:27,159 --> 01:22:33,719
reasons might be and there are legitimate reasons to value your privacy

1153
01:22:31,360 --> 01:22:39,520
on the Internet seriously with all the NSA crap going on right now just because

1154
01:22:36,960 --> 01:22:44,800
you're not buying drugs online doesn't mean that you shouldn't value your

1155
01:22:41,159 --> 01:22:46,800
privacy um vpns are a great solution and

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01:22:58,639 --> 01:23:04,080
you buy and what's the value of a VPN

1160
01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:07,760
you you can do things like we just talked about where you can no not the

1161
01:23:05,960 --> 01:23:11,880
buying drugs part no I I meant at the beginning where I was

1162
01:23:10,360 --> 01:23:16,600
like to hide your footsteps and all that kind of stuff and maybe you're not buying drugs maybe you're trying to talk

1163
01:23:14,920 --> 01:23:20,639
about something that you don't want other people to know about and that

1164
01:23:18,800 --> 01:23:25,080
might not actually be an inherently bad thing so you want to trace your steps um

1165
01:23:22,600 --> 01:23:29,560
not everything that's illegal is necessarily bad I mean we've seen this

1166
01:23:27,760 --> 01:23:33,440
time and time again throughout history where not everything that I mean at

1167
01:23:31,280 --> 01:23:39,480
times you couldn't talk about being a Christian for fear of execution like

1168
01:23:36,760 --> 01:23:44,280
talking about things is not necessarily bad so vpn's can help protect your

1169
01:23:41,639 --> 01:23:48,280
privacy Underground Railroad all like there's there's tons of stuff that being

1170
01:23:46,080 --> 01:23:52,880
black is not inherently bad no I think we can all agree on this now but even

1171
01:23:50,880 --> 01:23:56,840
you know 100 years ago that wasn't a thing so anyway so so whatever your

1172
01:23:55,480 --> 01:24:02,800
reasons be you can you can hide your footsteps you can there there's some things I think it's just with iOS where

1173
01:24:00,199 --> 01:24:06,080
it will actually kind of help save money on your data plan because it does

1174
01:24:04,320 --> 01:24:09,080
compression on their side so another thing you can do with it because all

1175
01:24:07,400 --> 01:24:12,320
your traffic is being rerouted through their server is you can circumvent

1176
01:24:10,679 --> 01:24:16,400
things like region restrictions for services like Netflix it will slow down

1177
01:24:14,360 --> 01:24:21,400
your connection but the only way to know for sure if you like it is go try it so

1178
01:24:18,080 --> 01:24:23,440
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1179
01:24:21,400 --> 01:24:28,719
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1182
01:24:35,080 --> 01:24:40,920
all dirty by Anand L shimpy and Brian

1183
01:24:38,639 --> 01:24:45,080
clug so the state of cheating on Android benchmarks so I want to preface this by

1184
01:24:42,600 --> 01:24:52,159
saying cheating on benchmarks Is Not A New Concept no especially on the on the

1185
01:24:47,880 --> 01:24:54,239
PC side we have seen this over and over

1186
01:24:52,159 --> 01:25:01,760
and and over again whether it was 3D Mark 2001 3D Mark 2003 every Graphics

1187
01:24:59,560 --> 01:25:05,199
Company was doing everything they could to have the highest score whether it

1188
01:25:03,320 --> 01:25:08,600
meant oh well if we just like render that with a little bit less Fidelity

1189
01:25:06,760 --> 01:25:13,560
nobody will notice and so they were making specific optim optimizations that

1190
01:25:11,080 --> 01:25:19,520
they were releasing with driver updates to 3D Mark a synthetic Benchmark the new

1191
01:25:16,800 --> 01:25:26,520
driver would drop and it would say 10% Improvement in Far Cry 15% Improvement

1192
01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:28,239
in 3D Mark and you just be like come on

1193
01:25:26,520 --> 01:25:31,000
you guys are really investing in this but the reality of it was especially

1194
01:25:29,679 --> 01:25:35,760
then a lot of people were making purchasing decisions based on synthetics

1195
01:25:33,080 --> 01:25:39,520
yeah I think more than actually more than so leading us to well on the

1196
01:25:37,920 --> 01:25:43,560
Android side I would say a lot of people are making purchasing decisions based on

1197
01:25:41,360 --> 01:25:47,600
synthetics I for PCs oh oh more than than now yeah for PC sure because most

1198
01:25:45,280 --> 01:25:52,880
people just don't care anymore yeah um so they tested a bunch of stuff so the

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01:25:49,920 --> 01:25:59,000
pad phone from Aus the HTC1 the One Mini the G2 from LG the Moto Razer and the

1200
01:25:56,040 --> 01:26:03,159
basic conclusion guys is that if you're buying a Nexus device there is no

1201
01:26:01,360 --> 01:26:06,800
cheating going on if you're buying a Motorola device it looks like at least

1202
01:26:05,119 --> 01:26:13,360
the ones they tested no guarantees about the other ones there is no cheating going on if you are buying a Samsung

1203
01:26:09,760 --> 01:26:15,760
device look at that Note 3 there is more

1204
01:26:13,360 --> 01:26:20,920
cheating going on with the Note 3 and the Note 10.1 2014 edition than any

1205
01:26:18,960 --> 01:26:25,719
other device that was tested NVIDIA Shield is not doing any cheating but

1206
01:26:23,199 --> 01:26:31,719
let's let's get into the technical sort of what is cheating exactly because this

1207
01:26:29,639 --> 01:26:35,400
is a bit different this isn't driver tweaks where you're actually rendering

1208
01:26:33,239 --> 01:26:41,400
less of the image or doing whatever else so on the exos 5410 Samsung was

1209
01:26:39,880 --> 01:26:45,719
detecting the presence of certain benchmarks and raising thermal limits

1210
01:26:43,920 --> 01:26:51,199
and thus the max GPU frequency in order to gain an edge on those benchmarks on

1211
01:26:47,920 --> 01:26:53,239
both the Snapdragon 600 and the 5410 on

1212
01:26:51,199 --> 01:26:56,679
the Samsung Galaxy S S4 plat so both of those both Samsung Galaxy S4 platforms

1213
01:26:55,080 --> 01:27:00,800
Samsung was detecting the presence of certain benchmarks and automatically

1214
01:26:58,639 --> 01:27:05,560
driving CPU voltage and frequency to their highest state right away as

1215
01:27:03,320 --> 01:27:09,520
opposed to a gradual ramp up and ramp down and how these benchmarks work is

1216
01:27:07,360 --> 01:27:12,960
they'll go through multiple times and then give you an overall score so it's

1217
01:27:11,360 --> 01:27:16,719
going to change it the the scale at which it changes it if you look at it

1218
01:27:14,480 --> 01:27:24,040
for one run is a little bit but then over time it actually increases Yeah so

1219
01:27:20,679 --> 01:27:25,800
basically they're not not lying to you

1220
01:27:24,040 --> 01:27:30,360
about what your Hardware is capable of doing they're not just you know creating

1221
01:27:28,480 --> 01:27:34,159
uh you know they're not putting like a piece of software on the phone that

1222
01:27:31,960 --> 01:27:37,639
detects The Benchmark closes it automatically puts up a static image

1223
01:27:36,239 --> 01:27:42,239
that makes it look like it's running it and then just spits out a fake score we're not talking something that blatant

1224
01:27:41,040 --> 01:27:46,920
but what they're doing is they are manipulating the numbers to achieve

1225
01:27:44,719 --> 01:27:54,600
unrealistic levels unrealistic levels of performance and maybe it's 3% here or 8%

1226
01:27:51,560 --> 01:27:56,800
there it's not like doubling it just

1227
01:27:54,600 --> 01:28:03,040
just fabricating the numbers completely but it really feels unnecessary and I

1228
01:27:59,679 --> 01:28:04,440
wish that that this wasn't the case but

1229
01:28:03,040 --> 01:28:10,040
it's going to happen it'll keep happening and you know why it'll keep happening because most people don't care

1230
01:28:07,960 --> 01:28:14,320
you folks watching this show you probably already were at least vaguely

1231
01:28:11,800 --> 01:28:20,719
aware of this the people who we would be breaking this news to are not watching

1232
01:28:17,040 --> 01:28:23,800
this show and the people who might be

1233
01:28:20,719 --> 01:28:25,440
shopping for a cell phone probably

1234
01:28:23,800 --> 01:28:31,239
aren't going to listen to you when you start talking about what Benchmark the

1235
01:28:27,719 --> 01:28:33,239
HTC1 wins and which one the Galaxy S4

1236
01:28:31,239 --> 01:28:36,159
wins because they don't care they look at it and they go oh yeah this one's

1237
01:28:34,560 --> 01:28:41,280
really nice and it has a good battery life and but but what they will read

1238
01:28:38,239 --> 01:28:43,119
into is the newscaster who quickly goes

1239
01:28:41,280 --> 01:28:46,679
to some websites finds benchmarks and then goes this is the fastest phone

1240
01:28:44,880 --> 01:28:50,040
there is or this phone is faster than this phone without saying Benchmark

1241
01:28:48,679 --> 01:28:56,480
without saying any of the big words and up till now my understanding is that Samsung has mostly just denied any

1242
01:28:53,760 --> 01:29:03,360
optimizations so unless they're reading The Verge or a onte versus if they're

1243
01:28:59,560 --> 01:29:04,239
watching Fox News um that that tells you

1244
01:29:03,360 --> 01:29:09,400
what kind of information they're going to get and most sites are just going to keep running benchmarks and that's all

1245
01:29:07,199 --> 01:29:12,639
you can do I mean this is very low-level firmware programming that's going on

1246
01:29:10,960 --> 01:29:17,320
here to change things like power states on the fly like this so you can't just

1247
01:29:15,119 --> 01:29:21,000
turn that off and run the Benchmark to get more legit benchmarks so uh one

1248
01:29:19,639 --> 01:29:25,560
thing they did was they renamed the executables oh okay not I guess not

1249
01:29:24,000 --> 01:29:29,800
really the the packages they would rename The Benchmark and then it

1250
01:29:27,239 --> 01:29:35,199
wouldn't detect it in some situations it's going to become another arms race

1251
01:29:32,159 --> 01:29:38,800
where the the the phone manufactur find

1252
01:29:35,199 --> 01:29:40,360
some way to so so there you go and if

1253
01:29:38,800 --> 01:29:44,280
you want to keep your phone up to date you're going to have to keep installing

1254
01:29:42,000 --> 01:29:48,639
you know new ROMs and new new updates and for everyone who's saying oh well I

1255
01:29:46,199 --> 01:29:54,440
just you know I in I rooted my phone I installed Cy good for

1256
01:29:50,920 --> 01:29:57,159
you most people aren't going to do that

1257
01:29:54,440 --> 01:30:00,840
my mom is not going to do that no his mom is not going to do that N I didn't

1258
01:29:59,199 --> 01:30:05,280
even bother on my own phone not because I don't know how to do it because I just

1259
01:30:02,560 --> 01:30:09,800
don't care we jail broke my mom's phone but that was just cuz she needed a few

1260
01:30:07,320 --> 01:30:13,560
more things that's one way of putting it it was like a super old phone she needed

1261
01:30:11,480 --> 01:30:17,040
a few more things it was additional functionality ah okay we we didn't

1262
01:30:15,880 --> 01:30:24,199
actually pirate any apps or anything it was just additional functionality so qualcom claims that Apple 64-bit CPU is

1263
01:30:22,600 --> 01:30:29,280
a marketing gimmick so this was posted by E chondo on the Forum the original

1264
01:30:26,600 --> 01:30:34,639
article is from news. techworld Doc and basically they've come

1265
01:30:32,639 --> 01:30:39,679
out and said look I think they're doing it as a marketing gimmick there's zero

1266
01:30:36,960 --> 01:30:44,639
benefit that the consumer gets from that um the benefit the main benefit of 64bit

1267
01:30:42,760 --> 01:30:50,480
is being able to address more than 4 gigs of memory and Apple has only

1268
01:30:47,159 --> 01:30:53,480
equipped the 5S with 1 gig of RAM which

1269
01:30:50,480 --> 01:30:55,000
means that on the 5S there is no benefit

1270
01:30:53,480 --> 01:30:59,119
but this comes down to the what we were talking about before which was what

1271
01:30:56,880 --> 01:31:03,560
Apple's doing in my mind is preparing the ecosystem for the eventual move and

1272
01:31:02,040 --> 01:31:08,040
Paving the road for a smoother transition so I I think I think the

1273
01:31:05,480 --> 01:31:13,360
64-bit chip may have been interpreted incorrectly but I don't think it was

1274
01:31:10,440 --> 01:31:17,360
complete hogwash and had no per no it didn't help consumers at all I think

1275
01:31:15,199 --> 01:31:22,600
that's complete crap because it's preparing the whole ecosystem for later

1276
01:31:20,360 --> 01:31:26,040
so when they will utilize which will be probably pretty freaking soon to be

1277
01:31:24,119 --> 01:31:29,840
completely honest maybe another year or two kind of thing yeah it it will be

1278
01:31:28,199 --> 01:31:33,400
ready and it won't be a big deal we saw this on the PC side where it was kind of

1279
01:31:31,480 --> 01:31:37,199
terrible and the difference between Apple and Android at that point then

1280
01:31:35,760 --> 01:31:42,760
will be that Apple will be able to launch iOS 7.5 or 8 or whatever they

1281
01:31:40,639 --> 01:31:49,400
want to call it and say backwards compatibility all the way back to 5S

1282
01:31:46,119 --> 01:31:51,440
whereas the compatibility of 64-bit

1283
01:31:49,400 --> 01:31:56,000
Android operating systems and apps will be so broken and so fragmented that no

1284
01:31:54,159 --> 01:32:00,600
one will know what's going on unless you're one of that 0.1% that actually

1285
01:31:58,679 --> 01:32:05,320
gives two cares about it and follows all this stuff daily you'll know but good

1286
01:32:02,800 --> 01:32:09,600
for you because most people won't and when it comes to selling to the general

1287
01:32:07,960 --> 01:32:15,719
consumer you have to do things that appeal to the general consumer and compatibility is a big one so I still

1288
01:32:13,400 --> 01:32:19,280
say like huge thumbs up to Apple 64-bit does not inherently improve the

1289
01:32:16,920 --> 01:32:24,480
performance the A7 chip the A7 chip is fast because the A7 chip is fast not

1290
01:32:22,360 --> 01:32:28,400
because it's 64-bit it just happens to be 64-bit compatible and I think it's

1291
01:32:26,800 --> 01:32:33,280
fantastic that moving forward we're going to we're going to have the market move in that direction yeah I found one

1292
01:32:32,199 --> 01:32:37,800
of the things that he said actually interesting saying uh really how was

1293
01:32:35,520 --> 01:32:42,040
that for you well you have to let me finding one of the things that I said

1294
01:32:39,080 --> 01:32:44,920
interesting I you oh okay I I generally find things you say interesting I'm was

1295
01:32:43,320 --> 01:32:50,600
talking about the guy in the in the thing anyways he he says it will have no

1296
01:32:48,159 --> 01:32:54,880
real benefit other than engineering chip design and operating systems well wow

1297
01:32:52,760 --> 01:32:59,960
that sounds like a pretty compelling like list of benefits what those things

1298
01:32:57,280 --> 01:33:04,639
are really important like what are you talking about I can't find any of those

1299
01:33:01,639 --> 01:33:08,679
three things that is not important yeah

1300
01:33:04,639 --> 01:33:12,199
what so like that quote was just like K

1301
01:33:08,679 --> 01:33:14,679
really like oh man sorry dude but that's

1302
01:33:12,199 --> 01:33:18,600
brutal so let's go ahead and move into our next iPhone piece of news so

1303
01:33:16,440 --> 01:33:23,239
logitech's iPhone game controller pictured again in a new leak this is all

1304
01:33:20,960 --> 01:33:27,760
rumored this isn't by any means release Hardware or anything over here but that

1305
01:33:25,480 --> 01:33:31,400
looks pretty darn cool it looks good and this plays into exactly what you just

1306
01:33:29,679 --> 01:33:35,199
brought up which is where Nintendo might not be a handheld manufacturer Hardware

1307
01:33:33,880 --> 01:33:40,679
manufacturer cuz why would they need to be because stuff like this is going to start coming out and I think stuff even

1308
01:33:38,480 --> 01:33:44,040
though this is awesome I think stuff a lot better than this is going to start

1309
01:33:42,199 --> 01:33:49,199
coming and that's the other thing too is the ridiculous people posting on that

1310
01:33:47,560 --> 01:33:52,199
video saying oh well the touchscreen experience isn't very good good for you

1311
01:33:50,679 --> 01:33:55,040
the touchcreen experience isn't very good it's not it's not what we're

1312
01:33:53,719 --> 01:34:00,119
talking about touch screen experience like always sucks unless you might be valve and you might be changing it yeah

1313
01:33:58,000 --> 01:34:03,159
you might be made of magic yeah but that touchcreen experience that valve is

1314
01:34:01,440 --> 01:34:08,199
going to have I don't tou pad yeah that's not going to come to phones for

1315
01:34:05,639 --> 01:34:11,360
at least a long so you know you look at the direction things are moving where it

1316
01:34:09,600 --> 01:34:15,159
comes to where we've got accessories that turn our phones into consoles we've

1317
01:34:13,080 --> 01:34:20,280
got dedicated devices like Shield that turn that ecosystem into a console oh

1318
01:34:18,080 --> 01:34:24,400
sorry to throw back another thing Shield didn't cheat either yeah Shield didn't I

1319
01:34:22,400 --> 01:34:28,679
did mention that okay okay NVIDIA did not cheat with the tiger 4 and I think

1320
01:34:26,880 --> 01:34:34,400
that really speaks to how much they've grown up in in the last five to eight

1321
01:34:31,679 --> 01:34:39,719
years where they were as guilty as AMD at times like real guilty yeah and now

1322
01:34:38,440 --> 01:34:45,040
here you know no one was really investigating this at the time but they basically said look Tegra 4 kicks ass

1323
01:34:43,600 --> 01:34:50,119
and it's going to kick ass without us making any optimizations for particular

1324
01:34:47,560 --> 01:34:57,480
applications really kudos to you NVIDIA love to see that all right so here's a

1325
01:34:53,400 --> 01:35:01,440
quick discussion topic and that is

1326
01:34:57,480 --> 01:35:03,119
the Zeon versus Core Series processors

1327
01:35:01,440 --> 01:35:10,960
so there's a lot of confusion about this so the Zeon E3 yeah I know I'm in Canada

1328
01:35:05,960 --> 01:35:14,520
I don't care uh the Zeon e oh I hate it

1329
01:35:10,960 --> 01:35:16,520
when it does that to me stop it I know

1330
01:35:14,520 --> 01:35:21,159
I'm in Canada don't redirect me to the homepage I want to actually look at this

1331
01:35:18,760 --> 01:35:25,480
page so what is the difference between a z and a Core Series processor so there's

1332
01:35:23,480 --> 01:35:29,440
a couple of different things first of all right now there happens to be a

1333
01:35:27,719 --> 01:35:34,040
particularly interesting Zeon which I can't remember the model number of for

1334
01:35:31,040 --> 01:35:36,320
Life me right now and uh of course this

1335
01:35:34,040 --> 01:35:42,080
this isn't working because I bet my phone battery just died yeah oh it's one

1336
01:35:39,840 --> 01:35:47,000
thing after another today so it's the E3 something or other it's clocked 100 MHz

1337
01:35:44,239 --> 01:35:51,000
slower than the Core Series equivalent and what's the difference so number one

1338
01:35:49,600 --> 01:35:56,040
is that zons aren't officially supporting by some boards with that said

1339
01:35:53,520 --> 01:35:58,960
I've yet to see a comp an electrically compatible board that doesn't support it

1340
01:35:57,440 --> 01:36:03,040
they they they always work they're just not like officially supported but they

1341
01:36:01,119 --> 01:36:07,080
always work yeah uh number two is there's no integrated GPU so Intel has

1342
01:36:05,320 --> 01:36:10,840
fused it off because they I guess they figure people who want those zons don't

1343
01:36:09,159 --> 01:36:14,280
need integrated Graphics which I think is crazy because that's one of the

1344
01:36:12,719 --> 01:36:18,360
reasons I have against getting one is if I wanted to use it for a server later on

1345
01:36:16,119 --> 01:36:23,920
I'd want it to have integrated Graphics okay base clock overclocking only which

1346
01:36:21,159 --> 01:36:27,159
is is fairly limited um compared to being able to overclock the multiplier

1347
01:36:25,560 --> 01:36:31,679
even on non- unlocked SKS you can overclock the multiplier a fair bit on

1348
01:36:28,920 --> 01:36:35,600
Modern G CPUs and on Haswell since they don't overclock that high you might be

1349
01:36:34,280 --> 01:36:40,280
getting pretty close to the maximum without even getting an unlocked CPU um

1350
01:36:37,840 --> 01:36:44,719
it doesn't need ECC memory but it can use ECC memory unlike the Core Series

1351
01:36:42,560 --> 01:36:48,560
processors um so someone was basically just asking me uh well is there any

1352
01:36:46,800 --> 01:36:51,719
compelling reason why I should get a Core Series processor versus a zeeon if

1353
01:36:50,360 --> 01:36:56,360
it's like 50 bucks cheaper and I was kind of like let me look into this the

1354
01:36:54,960 --> 01:37:00,960
answer seems to be if you don't need the onboard graphics and you don't want to

1355
01:36:58,159 --> 01:37:04,480
overclock not really yeah make sure your board supports it in fact many boards

1356
01:37:02,639 --> 01:37:09,360
even consumer ones do officially support zons yeah yeah just just not all just

1357
01:37:07,400 --> 01:37:13,040
not everyone officially supports Theon that's all um but and like this has

1358
01:37:11,520 --> 01:37:17,639
actually been pretty crazy on the forums lately I don't know if you've noticed that but people have been going nuts

1359
01:37:15,320 --> 01:37:22,239
over these two processors and like yeah if you have no plan on overclocking and

1360
01:37:19,840 --> 01:37:25,560
you have 100% of a plan to always have a video card with that processor all the

1361
01:37:24,239 --> 01:37:30,960
time like you're going to pair them together um then yeah it's fine uh

1362
01:37:28,520 --> 01:37:34,280
personally I like getting processors that have integrated Graphics if I'm

1363
01:37:32,520 --> 01:37:38,600
going to get it on a non like crazy Enthusiast platform so if I'm not going

1364
01:37:35,719 --> 01:37:41,880
to get 2011 I'm probably going to want the option for integrated Graphics

1365
01:37:40,040 --> 01:37:45,360
because at some point in time I might take that system and throw it in a

1366
01:37:43,080 --> 01:37:49,719
server environment who knows I like stuff that uses it I mean things like uh

1367
01:37:47,800 --> 01:37:53,800
things like uh video encoding yeah quick sync um anything that's going to take

1368
01:37:51,880 --> 01:37:57,480
advantage of open CL is going to benefit from the onboard Graphics whether it's

1369
01:37:55,360 --> 01:38:01,280
Intel or AMD although AMD's onboard Graphics are quite a bit more powerful

1370
01:37:59,119 --> 01:38:07,320
yeah um and I can't find a micro USB charging cable which means that our um

1371
01:38:04,880 --> 01:38:10,760
our PowerPoint for build of the week is going to be a bit of a challenge so

1372
01:38:08,280 --> 01:38:16,840
we'll be back in just a moment oh we can do that uh wait where are we right right

1373
01:38:14,000 --> 01:38:21,679
you've got it okay can't see our builds of the week this week are freaking

1374
01:38:19,320 --> 01:38:25,080
awesome so the first one is Arctic water from be negative and there's nothing

1375
01:38:23,280 --> 01:38:30,440
negative about it Holy balls so this was built for someone else

1376
01:38:28,560 --> 01:38:34,080
I think it was on the oc3d forums but like when you're building something for

1377
01:38:32,199 --> 01:38:38,679
someone else that is already on a tech Forum like you kind of know it's going

1378
01:38:36,159 --> 01:38:44,719
to be pretty awesome unbelievable I mean even replacing all of the connectors on

1379
01:38:42,040 --> 01:38:52,360
the PCI Express slots painting the Shroud on the Sabertooth board painting

1380
01:38:48,880 --> 01:38:55,360
memory hard piped copper tubing I mean

1381
01:38:52,360 --> 01:38:57,599
oh it's it's orgic and then once you go

1382
01:38:55,360 --> 01:39:01,840
to the next photo you can actually see even the ring on the Corsair fans

1383
01:38:59,920 --> 01:39:06,520
different accent points on the saber-tooth motherboard like what a

1384
01:39:04,360 --> 01:39:13,599
beautiful machine attention to freaking detail what an absolutely beautiful Ma

1385
01:39:09,239 --> 01:39:15,199
Grill here wow and it's the one system

1386
01:39:13,599 --> 01:39:17,719
I've ever seen where the stock Crossfire break looks like it's not completely out

1387
01:39:16,880 --> 01:39:21,920
of place it's pretty awesome next up this

1388
01:39:20,239 --> 01:39:29,199
one's been in the works for a long time from P Banes the custom water cooled

1389
01:39:25,360 --> 01:39:32,080
desk boom so cool and then one thing

1390
01:39:29,199 --> 01:39:36,679
that I always worry about with these des and actually we talked about this in one

1391
01:39:33,920 --> 01:39:40,679
of my private little not private but my solo live streams a while ago when this

1392
01:39:39,159 --> 01:39:45,400
was in production which we brought this up and everyone instead of me playing a game was just looking at this build

1393
01:39:43,639 --> 01:39:49,760
which is ridiculous but I brought up something that always worries me about these taller desk builds which is like

1394
01:39:48,520 --> 01:39:54,239
where do you put your leg what it means is like the uh the the tallness of the

1395
01:39:51,800 --> 01:39:57,480
height here yeah so it's like where do you put your legs and then how do your

1396
01:39:55,800 --> 01:40:01,480
arms like if it's tall enough your legs are your arms up here and he has a photo

1397
01:39:59,840 --> 01:40:04,480
of it and he actually kind of slots in fairly well okay and then he also

1398
01:40:03,159 --> 01:40:11,679
brought up that he's going to be putting his keyboard and mouse probably on a tray anyways right okay so that totally

1399
01:40:08,360 --> 01:40:14,800
makes sense that's just a wicked build

1400
01:40:11,679 --> 01:40:19,639
look at that sleeving and these I love

1401
01:40:14,800 --> 01:40:23,440
that nice straight runs of of um a vinyl

1402
01:40:19,639 --> 01:40:26,840
tubing or a flex tubing look outstanding

1403
01:40:23,440 --> 01:40:29,360
they look so good oh all them right

1404
01:40:26,840 --> 01:40:32,639
angles and man and he was even super super super careful about the color of

1405
01:40:31,280 --> 01:40:37,920
his coolant too it's crazy that's not the last picture oh oh okay one more

1406
01:40:35,719 --> 01:40:41,360
it's not like a super crazy picture of the insides but I just wanted to show

1407
01:40:39,360 --> 01:40:44,360
how like he actually does kind of fit now it's pretty tight but he did say

1408
01:40:43,000 --> 01:40:49,280
that he's going to he's kind of a bigger guy you can you can tell looking at him

1409
01:40:46,639 --> 01:40:53,199
so some for someone like me my legs would be too low and my arms would be

1410
01:40:51,159 --> 01:40:56,840
here yeah but it seems to kind seems to kind of work for him which is very very

1411
01:40:55,320 --> 01:41:00,560
awesome what a great build yeah seriously abely super stoked to see it

1412
01:40:58,480 --> 01:41:05,840
finished so guys I think that's pretty much it for the W show this week thank

1413
01:41:02,679 --> 01:41:08,040
you so much for tuning in and uh again

1414
01:41:05,840 --> 01:41:11,679
big thanks to our sponsor Hotspot Shield for making this episode possible so

1415
01:41:10,080 --> 01:41:15,360
without further Ado peace out we'll see you again next week

1416
01:41:15,920 --> 01:41:23,679
byebye oh that makes sense that that didn't work so that Network Target yeah

1417
01:41:20,520 --> 01:41:26,239
awesome so did it just crash oh no we're

1418
01:41:23,679 --> 01:41:26,239
here