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welcome to the W show everyone we've got a fantastic show for you here today in

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fact I was I was a little bit surprised because when we were going through the

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topics for this week a couple days ago I was like oh it's not a ton really yeah

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well compared to last week when we had all the things to discuss that was that

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was just like crazy as all balls uh but this week is turning out to look

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actually pretty darn good our special guest today is elrick from Tech of

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Tomorrow formerly from motherboards.org maybe we can poke him a little bit and

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see if we can get him to actually you know what let's not let's not dig up the

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past let's not dig up the past but we've got elri joining us today for our guest

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segment and I'd love to do a preview of the topics we've got today so number one

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guys is lock up your daughters and sons

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and um Badgers because Minecraft will

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turn your kids into gunslinging knife

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toting violent violent people people I

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can't believe this got out Minecraft with GTA 5 like I

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know like the timing is hilarious the timing is fantastic more on that later

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guys cheating in Android benchmarks is definitely a thing so we are going to

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discuss the state of the Android ecosystem and what cheating means to

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Consumers and manufacturers and why it

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gets done when they get caught every

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time this is the same we've seen on the PC platform seen it on the PC we'll see

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it again on smart watches quote me on

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that that's it's true what else we got uh we've got control delete was a

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mistake admitted by Bill Gates kind of an interesting little conversation that

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happened there and steam machine specs unveiled by xi3 and valve and the the

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valve steam machine specs that were unveiled were the Prototype ones that are going in kind of all over the place

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so and yeah all over the place all right so why don't we kick things off

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with the intro

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lehs share so let's move into our first

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news item of the week which is actually a pretty minor a pretty minor item it's

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just more of a funny thing yeah it's so

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Bill Gates admits this was posted on the Forum by snow Comet Bill Gates admits

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control alt delete was a mistake and blames

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IBM so first of all control alt delete

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as far as key combinations Go I mean that's kind of like saying alt f4 was a

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mistake except that it's not because control alt delete in in Microsoft's

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mind should have been one button yeah and at the time the functionality was to

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restart your computer uh it's evolved over time and we still have it today and

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then the other functionality of course at the time was to prove that you were a

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human being sitting in front of a computer now from a security standpoint

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that's not a very good proof was it was it ever effective

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though uh I I can't see a way that it

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could have been but maybe someone better than me knows a way that it could have

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been because I from my standpoint you can just you can just mimic those key

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presses like it's not a big deal so control delete if they'd had their way

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would been a single button which would have saved us how many billions of

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keystrokes over the last few years um

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basically the original article was from The Verge so you can go ahead and check

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it out over there but pretty much he was giving a talk and everyone kind of had a

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good laugh about it the IBM keyboard designer just kind of refused to refused

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to implement it which which honestly in my opinion I have no real problem with

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like it's it's the least big deal ever

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yeah we just thought that was kind of funny so we're not going to spend too much time on it let's go ahead and move

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into our next topic it's I don't know it's just I I think the thing about it

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that sticks out most to me is how these Legacy things just keep carrying forward

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and carrying forward to the point where control delete has very different

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functionality today and you have to basically be in the BIOS or in like a

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pre- Windows environment for it to even reboot your computer but what you can do

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is you can bring up the task manager you can lock the computer and there's um and

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some places still use it to authenticate

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that it is an actual user sitting in front of the PC uh server login you

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still have to control delete server logins um one thing I think is

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interesting though is is like if if that didn't happen if the mistake quote

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unquote didn't happen how many like key things like there's so many people I

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know that can do it without looking without having hands on the keyboard and

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just go boom and just hit it and like they there was that thing before where

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someone made a fake little keyboard that was just control delete and they were

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like this is all you need to use Windows like all that stuff the like the like

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cult following that control delete has to be completely honest like well if

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they had one key if there was like the uh would it have been the same though if

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there was like the O balls key or something like that that might that

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might have been all right probably yeah but uh but yeah yeah we love it uh let's

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go ahead and move into our next topic this is actually one that is um that

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hits pretty close to home for me because here in here in Canada we have um oh no

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I actually was okay let's talk about a couple different things that are going

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on with smartphones in the EU so this isn't exactly new but I just I just want

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to talk about this because it's something that I personally feel quite

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strongly about and that is that the EU this was on BBC plans to end mobile

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phone roaming charges so this would be implemented by

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2016 and in 2014 it would be eliminating

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roaming charges for incoming calls and as someone who lives in Canada we don't

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have the greatest mobile phone rates we

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also don't have the worst ones I mean I

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pay about $100 a month for my business plan that includes 5 gigs of data

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basically unlimited calling for all intents and purposes it includes us

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calling when I'm at home which is great because you'd be amazed how many people

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just don't want to bother with Skype and want to talk on the phone and most of

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the people we work with are in the US so I would be paying a fortune in long

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distance if I didn't have that kind of a plan and

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it's really not that bad it's 100 bucks

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a month but the thing that kills you so I was over in Hawaii for about eight

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days $6 a Meg yeah is the roaming charge

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I think it's something like 75 cents a text and to me the uh this is this is

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this is basically like to me the only excuse for this kind of behavior and

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these kinds of charges is like you know the back room

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of you know a lady Club where there's

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like fat dudes with cigars sitting around going like you know like placing

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bets on the table for how much they think that people would be willing to

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pay in roaming charges and I mean even roaming plans where it's like yeah $50

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gets you you know a a 100th of what you

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normally have access to with your regular plan while you're on the go

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there's no reason that it has to be done

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and I really applaud the EU for being progressively thinking when it comes to

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these infrastructure items that that I think unify people and I think they make

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they make travel and they make the the global economy more more of a thing

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where travel can become less expensive um in in every way whether it's whether

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it's planes or trains or hyper Loops or you know okay so Elon Musk isn't

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building the hyperloop but I uh anyway I

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I really I really admire that I think it's fantastic there's interesting stuff

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too because you'd automatically think when you go roaming somewhere that you should pre- purchase the roaming plan

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because it'll save you all the danger one of my friends when we went down to Pax pre- purchased the roaming plan it

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was $40 yeah I didn't took all the hits

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and was still totally fine and under $40 it was still really expensive and stupid

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so it's just like would you like to bend over the couch or would you like to bend

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over the bed it's totally up to you as long as you bend over and take it from

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your Telco um now there are challenges associated with this because you're

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asking for Telos to cooperate uh in the EU it's going to require uh Wireless

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providers to have I think it yeah the proposals must be approved by the 28 EU

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members and they also have to have permission to to operate and and conduct

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business so to speak in all those countries I think there's going to be a lot of consolidation in the market where

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the the the large players in the larger markets whether it's Germany or uh the

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UK are going to have a huge leg up on

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the smaller providers in the smaller EU countries and I think it's going to put

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a lot of people out of business and there are problems with all of this but

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uh I think that it has to happen at some point and I would love it if even Canada

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and us got together and cooperated I'm

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surprised it hasn't happened yet well of course it hasn't happened because

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whether it's Verizon or Bell or Rogers or AT&T they all love damn roaming

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charges that's true they all but but with everything else that Canada and US

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does together I'm actually going surprised that's not one of them well

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it's it's one of those things where it takes a government mandate to make Telos

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cooperate with each other have you seen well cooperate with each other above

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board right right so have you seen all that stuff lately the Canadian

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government attacking wireless companies uh their web page whatnot what not I

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didn't bother put that in the thing because we've talked too much we've talked a lot enough about that but like

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it's it's yeah they're kind of mad which good yeah that's good that's good I'm

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glad we need more government regulation on the Telecommunications guys because

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it is getting ridiculous So speaking of

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government regulations and sometimes them getting involved in things that

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they don't fully understand uh this one

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is new it was posted by Bam Bam LLY on the Forum the EU wants every smartphone

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and tablet to charge by micro USB so the

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original article was on the verge as posted by our our for member who is

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helpfully putting in his sources and I

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agree with the idea that every

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smartphone should use a universal standard but what I disagree with is

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that the that micro USB should be it so

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um let's get into it shall we I'm just just go I'm just up okay I'm

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gonna start this by saying I've been called out a little bit over the last

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week or so because I did tweet about this a little bit where people are

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saying okay well Linus's quotes about how fragile micro USB is are from some

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company that didn't have it validated by a third party and Etc so let's set aside

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the quotes for now guys hit us on

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Twitter simple yes no have you ever had

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a micro USB connection fail I want that

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to be the first answer and then yes no have you ever had a full-size USB or a

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mini B connection fail so your your post

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should read uh no no if you've never had anything fail yes no if you've had this

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one and not this one and yes yes if you've had both of them fail guys hit us

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on Twitter we're going to go through your thoughts but my problem is I have

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personally had micro USB fail and not okay it's valid not I'll let you talk in

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a minute it's validated for a thousand plugs or something like that the problem

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I have is how fragile physically the

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connector is can be validated for whatever you want but in the real world

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we don't carefully plug it in and unplug it we don't even plug it in quickly

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straight and unplug it straight we run into situations where our phones are

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dead we really need a charge we're on the go we take a portable battery Bank

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we plug it into it we Jam the whole thing in our pocket that is the real

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world especially in this day and age of

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cell phones that don't last for a week on battery like they did when I first

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got a cell phone we've moved so far backwards to the point where when I'm

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heavily using my HTC1 I might have to charge it a couple times in a day

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talking really heavy use I burned through 20% of my battery in about 15

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minutes today when I had tethering on and I was using it for navigation and

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this the the screen was on they go fast so micro USB is fragile even if it is

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reliable or whatever other term you want to use for it lasting a long time

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so with all of that said I don't have an

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alternative connector I like better I I actually well okay I don't think Min USB

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BB was that bad if you actually

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objectively look at them and compare them they are not that different the

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only real difference on a modern cell phone implementation even on something

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like the HTC1 would be that you'd get less of less less of a of of a sort of

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support around it which I find that that connector doesn't need as much with that

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said the internals of the connector are

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bulkier but they could have moved it closer to the center and that could have

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still worked so okay maybe maybe Mini isn't the answer but I would rather they

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develop a more rugged standard as opposed to just making the making us

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standardize on this fragile connector to

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play against your question that you're putting on Twitter a USB like standard

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USB is obviously a lot better and could

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never be put on a phone and that's ridiculous so that doesn't matter phone

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blocks my magical phone could have like an interface

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module that would be awesome if you could be

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like no this is my power connector um I

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want to use an AC wall outlet bulkiness

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of the phone be damned it's going to be this thick and it's going to run on AC

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power okay like standard computer yeah anyways um and then mini B like no one

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ever uses so your metric there standard

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micro USB is going to have a whole bunch of people that use it every camera a

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whole bunch of people using it for different devices every

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camera tiny much smaller well it's dead

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now but it used to be much more popular main

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onas yes which were the portable Electronics of the time and not nearly

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as many people had a freaking camera as

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they have smartphones so the metrics do not line up so your one side is has way

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more population than your other side and it's not a Fair competition okay fine

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and you know what I'm going to Devil's Advocate myself a little bit here

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because I did run into a situation this

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very week twice where I found myself

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wishing that my Pebble which is Awesome by the way doesn't have Micro USB I lost

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the magnetic connector which is awesome I love magnetic Chargers I lost it twice

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once when I wanted to shoot the original unboxing I had left it at home and I was

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like oh balls because I could have run around anywhere in the in the studio

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here and grabbed a micro USB cable chucked it in the box and pretended that

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was the one it came with and it would have saved me a lot of time but I

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couldn't cuz it uses a proprietary cable and then again when Brandon needed to

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shoot the B- roll for it but then but then in your defense you're not against

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the unification of the cable it's you're against micro USB so that's not actually

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we could have like a magnetic USB standard cable yeah so that's not really

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like that's not really a point to G bring it on because there will be teething pains in any transition I mean

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micro USBs remember when we never used to have enough of those yeah um there

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will be teething pains but if we could have a standard that that just Falls

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away when you trip on it like a magnetic connector that would be amazing

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amazing all right so let's go ahead and see what kind of results we got on that

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there Twitter Blitz I don't know how many people have followed the instructions because a lot of people are

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just like oh they're doing a Twitter Blitz I'll use this as an opportunity to say something completely unrelated oh

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working pretty well so there we go people hey people are people are doing it so we've got wow this browser is

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being a big giant pile of poo it is

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lagging out so hard all right so yes no

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uh no no wow yeah I can't I can't even do this so so far of the people who

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haven't had like nothing die on them we have three for micro and one for mini we

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have another no for both we have Twitter

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being or not Twitter but Chrome being a big pile of junk all right another one

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for micro another one for micro no for both micro but not mini no for both yes

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to both no micro but yes mini yes to

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micro no to mini yes to micro no to Mini

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so okay let's say let's say yeah and

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it's it's lagging out again this is this is ridiculous we're going to have to switch browsers we'll find some time to

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do that in a moment but mostly you guys

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are saying that micro USB breaks on you more often but again as Luke was saying

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yeah it's skewed because there's a much larger much larger install base for

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micro that being said I've used a lot of both and I've only had micro USB fail on

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me like I I'm just for me the problem isn't the cable so much as the

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receptacle yeah and on something like a phone where

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we're talking a $600 plus piece of electronics where it has this one

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failure point where if it if you if you bump it once it's completely dead and

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there's no repairing it yeah and and like every once in a while you'll find

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that device that comes with a cable and that device and that cable like click

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together and it feels really good and you're like oh that's going to be solid forever and it is and then you go to

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plug in like a random USB or even the one that comes with your phone I found

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sometimes and you plug it in and you can like move the whole phone like

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oscillating around where the actual plug is in is like that's not going to work

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for very long it's like oh come

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on like I don't know you can see it coming a lot of the time and then then

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like you said putting in your pocket kills it a lot of time too all right so let's do one more major topic before we

00:19:17.960 --> 00:19:23.120
bring our guest on apparently you didn't even get back to them about having not

00:19:21.520 --> 00:19:28.679
done the test call do you do you have them added on uh I thought I sent on

00:19:26.200 --> 00:19:31.440
voice chat okay if you have to go for a couple minutes and I'll handle this

00:19:29.840 --> 00:19:39.159
topic on my own and make sure you just kind of get that figured out I just replied to the email so here we go guys

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parents actually you know what I'll save that one I'll save that one to talk

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about with you all right this was a post on the Forum a long time ago and Kind of

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a Funny Story here was um Slick's been

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using the priority inbox in Gmail um

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basically since lonus Media Group was formed and only realized this week that

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I don't know what would you say about half of the emails you get from me have

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not been being flagged as priority at least at least 25% okay so let's say at

00:20:09.039 --> 00:20:14.400
least a quarter of them so guys priority inbox if you don't already know I really

00:20:12.600 --> 00:20:20.400
don't recommend using it I found it makes a lot of things escape from you

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um so oh okay you weren't cced I guess so that's a bit of a problem so

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basically with this article was actually posted on the lineus tech chips Forum by

00:20:26.480 --> 00:20:32.200
queak back in June and it was something that I emailed I was like hey we should

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uh we should talk about this on the WAN Show so load line calibration or vrou um

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sort of vrou compensation is something that many motherboard manufacturers have

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implemented in order to potentially stabilize overclocks however it's one of

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those things where the motherboard manufacturers put it on there extreme

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overclockers do tend to use the setting from time to time but if you ask most of

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the motherboard guys or you ask in they'll say well you know what it's part

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of the Intel spec so we'd really recommend that you leave it on and what

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happens is when your CPU goes under load

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the motherboard actually drops the amount of voltage it's delivering to the

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CPU this does a couple of things it reduces heat output and it also improves

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longevity of the CPU and reduces power

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consumption the flip side of that is if you set a voltage to your CPU with the

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objective of making it stable at higher clock speeds like if you're overclocking

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you don't necessarily want your motherboard dropping the voltage when

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you're in a load under a heavy load or intensive situation because well I told

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you I wanted the voltage and I wanted the power and you're turning it off on

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me so this article was just done by one

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of our for members it's not the most scientific thing I've ever seen but

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basically he took some time and used a rampage for extreme and a 3930k to test

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with a digital multimeter what the actual ual settings were of what was

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actually being delivered to a CPU on that board with different loadline

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calibration settings and I thought it was absolutely fascinating just because

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there's some pretty interesting stuff

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going on it has a huge effect on the voltages that your CPUs are going to be

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running at whether it's uh whether it's at idle or whether it's at load and it

00:22:20.960 --> 00:22:26.880
is definitely worth a read it'll be posted in the wow document after the

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show but if not you can always search on the forum for load Das line calibration

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why overclocker should care and you can check out that article little little tip

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if if you want to search on the Forum just go to Google and do like lineus Tech tips and then the line calibration

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forum and it'll probably come up better cuz our search sucks I know the search

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is terrible it is we're hoping that they fix it in IPS version 4 which is in

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Alpha right now and we will not be beta testing yeah no more beta testing for

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software um you know what we've got a little bit more time so Warcraft the

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movie is coming out on December

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18th okay there's a couple different ways this can go people were stoked so

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hard on what was it advent children or whatever they called that first Final

00:23:11.720 --> 00:23:16.320
Fantasy movie uh what was it yeah I that

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was at least one of them I can't remember I don't know if that was the first one I I watched about 30% of it

00:23:19.559 --> 00:23:24.440
and I was like this is the most boring stupid thing that I've ever seen I kind

00:23:22.919 --> 00:23:30.320
of expected that the CG okay the okay the problem is that

00:23:28.039 --> 00:23:36.679
okay at that time I hadn't played a Final Fantasy game since like Final

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Fantasy 6 so I was expecting a story

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that wasn't just like the stupidest thing ever um like I I was expecting it

00:23:41.919 --> 00:23:48.520
to be more than just a tech demo and it really wasn't I was incredibly

00:23:46.279 --> 00:23:52.440
disappointed I was at a friend's house and we were watching it together and I

00:23:50.200 --> 00:23:57.440
was just like I'm going to go play Sims and that was the one time I ever sat

00:23:54.039 --> 00:23:59.200
down and played The Sims because I was

00:23:57.440 --> 00:24:02.880
that bored was was that I I can't remember the names cuz I'm dering right

00:24:00.880 --> 00:24:06.400
now but was that the Final Fantasy movie where she has to go find uh she's trying

00:24:04.640 --> 00:24:09.640
to find plant life I don't even remember man like it was terrible I didn't mind

00:24:08.360 --> 00:24:16.880
the one where she has to go find plant life so Warcraft movie could end up

00:24:12.880 --> 00:24:20.840
being like just a tech demo for CGI and

00:24:16.880 --> 00:24:23.279
um but it's blizzard but it's blizzard

00:24:20.840 --> 00:24:28.360
so it also could end up having like the best story ever and launching an an

00:24:25.679 --> 00:24:34.799
entire series of movies and a franchise yeah that could be amazing I'm a huge

00:24:31.760 --> 00:24:36.760
fan of the warcraft floor like I love

00:24:34.799 --> 00:24:39.840
the warcraft floor and I linked something in this document so you guys

00:24:38.200 --> 00:24:45.279
can check it out later which is a compilation of HD remakes of all of the

00:24:43.080 --> 00:24:51.919
cinematics not like cutcenes but cinematics from Warcraft 3 and like

00:24:48.080 --> 00:24:54.159
they're epic everything's epic like when

00:24:51.919 --> 00:24:57.279
when when arthus is succeeding you and stabs you the guy's thing and his crown

00:24:55.760 --> 00:25:03.200
rolls down the stairs like that's so ridiculous ly epic and I expect it to be

00:24:59.880 --> 00:25:05.240
more like fighting and War and epic

00:25:03.200 --> 00:25:08.440
scenes and stuff like that than I would expect from the Final Fantasy so if

00:25:06.760 --> 00:25:13.720
someone could pull this off would it be blizzard then I I think so because we

00:25:10.880 --> 00:25:19.240
also saw um Prince of Persia cuz Square's whole thing was was cinematics

00:25:16.679 --> 00:25:23.760
and being awesome at cutcenes and making them epic even though you know the games

00:25:21.480 --> 00:25:26.279
themselves particularly these days don't necessarily have a whole lot of meat to

00:25:25.159 --> 00:25:33.520
them see but then they've been moving away from them and they've been moving away from that so so okay and and like

00:25:31.080 --> 00:25:39.360
um there was Prince of Persia okay but then Prince of Persia I think tried to

00:25:35.840 --> 00:25:40.880
be its own thing too much okay and this

00:25:39.360 --> 00:25:44.120
I think they're just going to embrace it and be like nope this is Warcraft well

00:25:42.679 --> 00:25:49.480
Blizzard's good at Blizzard's good at that I mean you know what this was actually uh when I when I was oh man it

00:25:47.640 --> 00:25:52.360
was awesome when I was just kind of hanging out having drinks with Chris

00:25:50.880 --> 00:25:56.640
Roberts yeah that happened I don't think I told you that yet we haven't talked

00:25:54.039 --> 00:26:00.120
much about this I'm like I told you in an email it's probably the most jelly

00:25:58.200 --> 00:26:04.679
I've ever been so anyway so he was all like yeah you know I think the thing we

00:26:02.360 --> 00:26:09.360
did wrong on the wing Commander movie was that we tried too hard to make it

00:26:07.360 --> 00:26:13.720
its own thing yeah instead of just making it to embrace your community

00:26:11.000 --> 00:26:18.320
making it Wing Commander so if if blizzard does this um starring Colin

00:26:16.679 --> 00:26:21.640
Ferell which is going to be uh which is going to be awesome I eventually a

00:26:19.919 --> 00:26:27.799
feeling it's going to just be all voice actors though December 18th

00:26:24.799 --> 00:26:29.159
2015 um I'll go see it yeah me too I

00:26:27.799 --> 00:26:36.159
don't think I've seen a movie on launch day since Avatar and before that oh no I did see

00:26:33.600 --> 00:26:40.960
uh Deathly Hallows on launch day deathly Hallow's part two Return of the King no

00:26:38.919 --> 00:26:44.440
no I think that was me yeah okay so that was your last one I think so okay well

00:26:42.679 --> 00:26:47.559
here why don't we make a pack let's go see this sure we'll get a big group

00:26:46.120 --> 00:26:52.640
together we'll go all the lus we'll have a lonus Media Group outing and we'll go

00:26:49.679 --> 00:26:56.360
see the Warcraft movie guys um are you as stoked as us on this I got to get the

00:26:54.559 --> 00:27:01.679
twitch chat going on my laptop here because I am I am am I am just I'm sorry

00:26:59.320 --> 00:27:05.720
guys I've abandoned you here I just like yeah seriously like the amount of time

00:27:03.720 --> 00:27:10.240
that I've spent playing Warcraft 3 and the amount of time that I've spent

00:27:07.080 --> 00:27:12.760
playing wow should be like criminal are

00:27:10.240 --> 00:27:17.640
we ready for our special guest I'm I'm still waiting for the friend request and

00:27:15.960 --> 00:27:21.559
then we'll be good to go all right he's jumping on right now

00:27:20.039 --> 00:27:27.679
so it shouldn't be too long all right jumping on right now why don't we go ahead and just go for our one troll news

00:27:25.520 --> 00:27:34.600
item I I really don't think this is going to take that long halflife 3

00:27:30.919 --> 00:27:36.480
confirmed huh huh so they registered a

00:27:34.600 --> 00:27:41.840
trademark for half lifee 3 but it's just trademarking the name and at an almost

00:27:39.200 --> 00:27:47.640
exact same time they registered the the steam symbol in in the

00:27:44.240 --> 00:27:49.760
EU so so I personally think it's just

00:27:47.640 --> 00:27:54.279
trying to drive hype towards valve I think it has nothing to do with anything

00:27:51.840 --> 00:27:58.919
and I think anyone who's reading anything into this other than they don't

00:27:57.000 --> 00:28:04.279
want someone else to make the game halflife three and be put in a position

00:28:02.080 --> 00:28:08.880
where they can't really say anything about it I think that's all that's going

00:28:06.080 --> 00:28:15.080
on right now um yeah yeah yeah I I honestly think it

00:28:12.720 --> 00:28:18.559
it like you're definitely right I think it it might have had something to do

00:28:17.080 --> 00:28:24.559
with the timing of the other stuff that's going on because it's it drove a

00:28:21.640 --> 00:28:27.120
huge amount of more interaction to go along with their steam box and all this

00:28:25.919 --> 00:28:33.640
kind of stuff because even in that thread you can scroll down and see someone that posted a picture of steam

00:28:31.399 --> 00:28:38.600
box with the controller with half lifee 3 bundle buy it for whatever like like

00:28:36.480 --> 00:28:42.399
there's there's it drove interaction directly for steam box and the other or

00:28:40.640 --> 00:28:46.960
Steam Machines sorry and the other stuff that they're releasing so the timing may

00:28:44.960 --> 00:28:51.480
have been interesting but they also just had to freaking patent the name CU they

00:28:49.799 --> 00:28:55.760
had to right well trademark is different from patent to be very clear to be very

00:28:53.200 --> 00:29:00.519
clear um so I I actually do get a kick out of the fact that it's a new human

00:28:57.760 --> 00:29:06.120
avatar on the guy the guy who posted it on Yoap so yeah yeah ultimate ultimate

00:29:04.399 --> 00:29:12.000
troll Avatar right there how close are we here I still hasn't added me up um

00:29:10.000 --> 00:29:15.080
haven't gotten an email recently all right cool cool probably just getting

00:29:13.760 --> 00:29:19.279
hopefully we'll have this going very very soon uh add me on Skype yep hopping

00:29:17.799 --> 00:29:23.159
on Skype in a second okay that's good so let's move along to you know what guys

00:29:21.440 --> 00:29:26.960
hit us with a Twitter Blitz of maybe some questions for El I'll take some

00:29:24.919 --> 00:29:32.320
time and uh introduce him if you aren't already familiar with El from Tech of

00:29:29.919 --> 00:29:36.640
tomorrow he's done a wide variety of different stuff uh started up

00:29:34.120 --> 00:29:41.640
motherboards.org about 1 billion years ago without taking a crack at him for

00:29:39.000 --> 00:29:47.440
his age uh he's been doing the whole Tech media thing for longer than I have

00:29:44.640 --> 00:29:52.600
known what a CPU is so the guy's got a ton of experience his new YouTube

00:29:49.799 --> 00:29:57.840
channel Tech of Tomorrow is actually growing faster than motherboards.org

00:29:54.480 --> 00:30:00.760
ever did and I think it really shows um

00:29:57.840 --> 00:30:05.360
what creators are able to do when they shed the shackles of corporate

00:30:03.080 --> 00:30:09.679
involvement or when they aren't forced anymore to focus as much on uh the

00:30:08.159 --> 00:30:14.200
business side of things and are instead allowed to focus on the creation side of

00:30:12.039 --> 00:30:18.440
things I mean we've seen similar success with lonus tech tips growing at a much

00:30:16.440 --> 00:30:23.720
faster rate than it used to be back when I had to deal with my full-time job so

00:30:20.880 --> 00:30:28.919
Tech of Tomorrow is his show he's on Twitter at oballs okay I can't remember

00:30:27.360 --> 00:30:32.960
but if you search for Tech of Tomorrow Twitter on Google which is actually how

00:30:30.600 --> 00:30:37.399
I usually find people because Twitter does a terrible job of autocomplete you

00:30:35.200 --> 00:30:40.640
know what really really drives me insane this is like kind of an offshoot but

00:30:38.840 --> 00:30:45.559
when you go on Twitter and type in there's the search box and I'm like lius

00:30:43.399 --> 00:30:50.240
and then press down once because it's currently searching for you and then

00:30:47.559 --> 00:30:55.840
press enter and it comes up with instead of going to you it just does like a

00:30:51.760 --> 00:30:57.960
search for if I just did l n u it would

00:30:55.840 --> 00:31:01.399
do a search for Linux and it's like no actually I want the

00:31:00.240 --> 00:31:06.519
thing that you were showing a millisecond previously which was lonus

00:31:04.720 --> 00:31:09.960
it's oh man there's some stuff about Twitter that drives me crazy I have

00:31:07.960 --> 00:31:14.919
recently started using Instagram because Twitter pictures break

00:31:12.799 --> 00:31:19.080
constantly you know what I've actually found that too there's better support

00:31:17.080 --> 00:31:23.639
when you click especially on the mobile app when you click on a Twitter picture

00:31:22.000 --> 00:31:27.639
link it just goes nowhere it doesn't work so now if I use Instagram it

00:31:25.679 --> 00:31:30.519
actually loads like I have no interest in actually using Instagram I used to

00:31:29.240 --> 00:31:36.279
use it a long time ago I didn't even bother make a new account I was just like

00:31:32.840 --> 00:31:37.600
whatever it'll work and like I I don't

00:31:36.279 --> 00:31:42.399
want to promote it I don't want to do anything I don't care if anyone follows it because everything that I ever post

00:31:40.960 --> 00:31:46.440
on Instagram will always just push to Twitter I have no interest because it's

00:31:44.679 --> 00:31:49.519
just the only reason why I'm using it so actually freaking load all right we've

00:31:47.799 --> 00:31:53.679
got another little bit of troll news here this is uh this is pretty funny

00:31:51.200 --> 00:31:56.519
while we stall for time some more so uh are we are we ready to rock okay so get

00:31:55.279 --> 00:32:03.559
things get things going over there we need our headsets that's right yeah

00:31:59.480 --> 00:32:06.679
um on Indiegogo the AI

00:32:03.559 --> 00:32:09.080
Smartwatch is uh is a is a smartwatch

00:32:06.679 --> 00:32:13.679
that I I watched their I watched their video about sort of two minutes in and I

00:32:11.000 --> 00:32:18.240
kind of went yeah okay you know what the real secret to a successful Kickstarter

00:32:15.880 --> 00:32:22.240
or Indiegogo campaign seems to have less to do with the idea and the product and

00:32:20.760 --> 00:32:28.440
more to do with having a really slick video and I was looking at it going yeah really guys I don't know if uh I don't

00:32:26.120 --> 00:32:32.360
know if this is going to work so what we got a kick out of and this was pointed

00:32:29.960 --> 00:32:36.519
out by one of our community members was that it is as featured in who hold on a

00:32:34.799 --> 00:32:40.240
second what's that down there what's what's this right here as featured in

00:32:38.279 --> 00:32:45.399
Linus Tech tips so Luke's looking at this going

00:32:42.919 --> 00:32:49.039
what I don't remember this I don't remember making a video about this you

00:32:47.440 --> 00:32:53.559
know what's funny too is I watched the uh video and um it was just it was music

00:32:51.880 --> 00:32:57.679
that we paid for off Melody Loops but they used the same music that we use in

00:32:55.720 --> 00:33:04.080
one of our Techquickie videos in there indgo I recognize that as well um so

00:33:00.320 --> 00:33:08.279
what it turned out to actually be was a

00:33:04.080 --> 00:33:10.480
uh a post on the lonus tech tips Forum

00:33:08.279 --> 00:33:14.440
that like one dude who looks like a legit member of The Forum so it's not

00:33:12.519 --> 00:33:18.840
just them it's you better not who I've seen around like 2,000 posts saying oh

00:33:17.120 --> 00:33:24.200
that's pretty cool but that small interface and then nobody ever replied

00:33:22.159 --> 00:33:29.519
and like it's not even a bad post just no one ended up replying good post just

00:33:26.519 --> 00:33:31.440
um it wasn't really featured on Linus

00:33:29.519 --> 00:33:36.880
Tech tips in the same way that that Indiegogo page would imply that it was

00:33:35.240 --> 00:33:41.240
featured online as Tech tip so we're getting our call with El going I've had

00:33:39.440 --> 00:33:46.799
the pleasure of meeting El a couple times the first time we met in person

00:33:43.039 --> 00:33:49.919
was at CES this year and I remember us

00:33:46.799 --> 00:33:52.600
say saying hey we got to you know get

00:33:49.919 --> 00:33:57.399
together and like do something and then we just never managed to make it happen

00:33:55.159 --> 00:34:04.320
so is he is he on are we good are we live I'm here hey hey welcome to the

00:34:00.600 --> 00:34:06.039
show all right so I kind of introduced

00:34:04.320 --> 00:34:10.960
you a little bit but why don't you tell the audience what you're about as if any

00:34:08.520 --> 00:34:15.520
of them don't know who you are already cuz I'm pretty sure they do I don't know

00:34:13.520 --> 00:34:19.159
man I'm like the feel like the old man in the tech business I've been doing

00:34:16.879 --> 00:34:22.960
this like since the day it started um I've been into gaming and computers and

00:34:21.440 --> 00:34:27.440
electronics ever since I was a little kid so like doing this for me it just

00:34:25.280 --> 00:34:30.679
seems to be like the natural way of my life I really love doing what I'm doing

00:34:28.960 --> 00:34:34.560
and I don't really see myself doing anything else and it's great to see so

00:34:32.919 --> 00:34:37.440
many other young people doing it nowadays like I've been doing it back

00:34:36.359 --> 00:34:43.320
when there was only like one or two sites now there's just so many people out there doing their own thing and it's

00:34:40.639 --> 00:34:49.159
just awesome you know a lot of people feel like guys like you and me or um you

00:34:46.720 --> 00:34:52.960
know the new egg TV guys or whatever are competitors and I'd like you to take a

00:34:51.240 --> 00:34:58.680
moment and address that in your own words because I think you put it pretty

00:34:55.200 --> 00:35:01.079
well yeah I mean there really is no

00:34:58.680 --> 00:35:04.320
competition between anybody I'll admit that like when I first got into it I

00:35:02.440 --> 00:35:07.119
used to kind of look around and look at everybody's numbers and what are you

00:35:05.640 --> 00:35:11.560
know what I could do to get better and all this but then I just kind of just started like doing my own thing paying

00:35:09.960 --> 00:35:15.680
attention to what I was doing and learning really to like more and less

00:35:13.160 --> 00:35:19.000
buddy up with everybody um for a long time it seems like a lot of the PC

00:35:17.200 --> 00:35:23.839
people all wanted to be like an island they just you know they were afraid to Shar any their ideas afraid to work

00:35:22.119 --> 00:35:28.000
together and I've really noticed that over the years the Mac guys have never

00:35:25.520 --> 00:35:31.400
done that and so I really myself started adopting more of their kind of an

00:35:29.320 --> 00:35:35.640
outlook on things work with everybody work together and just be one big happy

00:35:33.520 --> 00:35:40.839
family instead of being an island all by yourself trying to do this absolutely I

00:35:38.119 --> 00:35:46.480
agree 100% I mean it it still kind of is funny to me when people post on my video

00:35:44.240 --> 00:35:49.760
that you know El's the best tech host or they post on your video that lonus is

00:35:48.320 --> 00:35:54.400
the best and you know what guys we really don't see it that way uh we see

00:35:52.240 --> 00:36:00.119
ourselves as and and this is sort of my take on it is that I see every other you

00:35:56.800 --> 00:36:01.760
YouTuber who is doing Tech on YouTube or

00:36:00.119 --> 00:36:07.480
making videos on YouTube and making a living out of it as a testament to the

00:36:05.280 --> 00:36:11.640
solidity of the platform and the legitimacy of what we're doing here I

00:36:09.920 --> 00:36:16.680
think every other Tech YouTuber that's approaching sponsors and trying to you

00:36:14.079 --> 00:36:20.480
know get sponsorship or you know get access to the samples that we need in

00:36:18.480 --> 00:36:26.119
order to bring you guys timely content is great because it brings attention to

00:36:23.960 --> 00:36:29.480
YouTube and to video that we otherwise wouldn't be getting if it was just one

00:36:27.720 --> 00:36:32.800
dude talking about it to them so I I think it's fantastic yeah I just think

00:36:31.440 --> 00:36:36.319
it's funny because they leave comments like oh hey he did it before you or so

00:36:34.839 --> 00:36:39.560
and so did it before you and I see those same comments on their channels when I

00:36:38.200 --> 00:36:45.079
do when they don't realize that we all are just doing our own thing and when it

00:36:41.440 --> 00:36:47.839
hits it hits speaking of things that are

00:36:45.079 --> 00:36:52.880
hitting this was an article that is on Tech PowerUp now I don't know what your

00:36:50.200 --> 00:36:56.240
NDA obligations are but I do have some with respect to the upcoming Radeon

00:36:54.440 --> 00:37:01.640
graphics cards so I want to keep the discussion pretty much narrowed in from

00:36:58.839 --> 00:37:08.800
my side on what I've already seen posted in other places but Tech PowerUp posted

00:37:04.960 --> 00:37:10.160
some benchmarks of the Radeon R9 290x

00:37:08.800 --> 00:37:17.040
which we already know this isn't under NDA is going to be their new Flag ship

00:37:13.000 --> 00:37:18.240
card based on a new GPU and we saw some

00:37:17.040 --> 00:37:23.160
interesting results here so there's rumored specs in here as well but we see

00:37:20.200 --> 00:37:30.240
a trading blows with the Titan so give me give me your thoughts on radon 290x

00:37:27.960 --> 00:37:33.640
well for me I'm just really glad to see AMD getting something that's new for the

00:37:32.520 --> 00:37:37.240
people that out there that have been supporting them I mean they've had their

00:37:35.560 --> 00:37:41.800
cards on the market for a long time we did see the 7990 hit the market but it

00:37:40.240 --> 00:37:44.880
doesn't seem like it got very favorable results since the price is like almost

00:37:43.359 --> 00:37:50.400
next to giving it away now compared to some of the cards that are coming out but um I'm really looking forward to it

00:37:48.520 --> 00:37:54.400
and if these guys can actually get the price point down below the Titan and

00:37:52.119 --> 00:37:58.880
even if it doesn't beat the Titan if it can even come anywhere near the Titan be

00:37:56.240 --> 00:38:02.640
hundreds of less fans are going to be embracing that and enjoying it and being

00:38:00.800 --> 00:38:06.520
a reviewer myself and you know what it's like when you get new tech stuff then

00:38:04.599 --> 00:38:10.119
you have [ __ ] to really talk about when you're on your 10th card of your launch

00:38:08.319 --> 00:38:13.839
you're like okay it's the 10th card but now this is fresh this is exciting and

00:38:12.319 --> 00:38:18.480
I'm looking forward to it and I know the AMD fans are looking forward to it as

00:38:16.319 --> 00:38:22.960
well I'm I'm super stoked and to bring in the pricing thing new egg had their

00:38:20.720 --> 00:38:26.599
little yes there was a little snafu on New Egg I don't know if you saw this or

00:38:24.520 --> 00:38:31.520
not but go go ahead so so they had a pre-order listed and uh uh whenever this

00:38:29.480 --> 00:38:36.520
happens there's always that dude that decides to go check out like the the the

00:38:33.760 --> 00:38:39.680
code for the Forum or or for the Forum or web page or whatever it is there's

00:38:37.960 --> 00:38:44.800
always that dude that goes and finds whatever that isn't supposed to be there

00:38:41.480 --> 00:38:46.960
so $700 plus but then they could pull a

00:38:44.800 --> 00:38:52.599
switch R like has happened in the past NVIDIA did it with GTX 680 where pricing

00:38:49.839 --> 00:38:57.800
was going to be $6.99 and launch day boom it was $5.99 so they shocked

00:38:55.079 --> 00:39:01.560
everyone from AMD to their retailers to their partners with a much more

00:38:59.280 --> 00:39:06.079
aggressively priced part than we were expecting um based on what we've seen

00:39:03.839 --> 00:39:11.000
from the leaked benchmarks on Tech PowerUp performance looks very close to

00:39:08.599 --> 00:39:16.520
the Titan however I would take these results with a ginormous grain of salt

00:39:14.160 --> 00:39:21.400
of salt yes not only because it's pre-release but I mean come on okay elri

00:39:19.160 --> 00:39:27.040
how many times have you run surround benchmarks only to discover that it is a

00:39:24.720 --> 00:39:29.880
freaking nightmare yeah it's most of the time just getting

00:39:28.319 --> 00:39:32.920
the setup on its a pain the but you can get it done but those numbers to me are

00:39:31.640 --> 00:39:38.319
a little bit questionable right out of the gate I'm waiting till we really see what goes on with it I mean now now I

00:39:36.839 --> 00:39:42.560
really do think though that the card is going to be very very competitive AMD

00:39:40.839 --> 00:39:47.000
wouldn't have held their card so close their sleeve if they didn't have something that was going to come out to

00:39:44.720 --> 00:39:51.520
compete and these guys are known to be the price competitors so if they just

00:39:49.000 --> 00:39:55.240
play their cards right AMD can do a serious damage to the market especially

00:39:53.119 --> 00:40:00.560
here around the holiday season a play their cards

00:39:57.240 --> 00:40:02.160
oh hey sorry man I love that I didn't

00:40:00.560 --> 00:40:07.520
catch that what happened here guys you guys sound like you fell off the planet did you guys fall

00:40:04.839 --> 00:40:14.079
over no I was just I was I was laughing I love that play your cards right oh

00:40:09.920 --> 00:40:17.160
that's fantastic so rumored specs has

00:40:14.079 --> 00:40:20.000
the die size was a double

00:40:17.160 --> 00:40:27.960
whammy rumored specs have the die size of the 290x at higher than the 7970 now

00:40:24.040 --> 00:40:29.920
we saw AMD revise their y significantly

00:40:27.960 --> 00:40:36.920
with the release of the 3870 where NVIDIA remained committed to

00:40:33.440 --> 00:40:39.359
the gigantic monolithic GPU that was

00:40:36.920 --> 00:40:43.839
extremely expensive to engineer produced a lot of heat and was extremely

00:40:41.119 --> 00:40:48.880
expensive to build and put on cards when AMD said no our strategy is going to be

00:40:46.800 --> 00:40:54.400
multi-GPU for the future we're going to build smaller gpus and our Flagship part

00:40:51.560 --> 00:41:01.920
will always be two of them together do you see a larger die than what we saw on

00:40:57.800 --> 00:41:04.800
Cayman XT which was the 7970 7950 series

00:41:01.920 --> 00:41:08.920
as a departure from that strategy and what does this mean to be honest with

00:41:07.040 --> 00:41:12.640
you lonus during that a lot of that last thing I couldn't hear most of it would

00:41:10.920 --> 00:41:15.640
it I'm sorry apologize everybody can can you resay a lot of it because I couldn't

00:41:14.200 --> 00:41:21.040
hear you guys it broke up really bad on the Skype connection oh shoot sorry

00:41:17.839 --> 00:41:23.599
about that okay so do you see AMD's new

00:41:21.040 --> 00:41:30.119
GPU which is rumored to be much larger than the 7970 GPU in terms of die area

00:41:27.359 --> 00:41:37.520
do you see that as a as an admission of defeat on their strategy of having two

00:41:32.760 --> 00:41:39.839
smaller gpus so 387x 2 48 7x2 two

00:41:37.520 --> 00:41:43.839
smaller gpus together make up their high-end

00:41:41.160 --> 00:41:47.640
strategy um I I think that AMD is just trying to stick to what they know best

00:41:45.599 --> 00:41:51.280
and trying to like get the technology to be smaller and smaller and smaller

00:41:49.440 --> 00:41:55.520
always causes some type of problems these guys right now really just wanted

00:41:53.280 --> 00:41:59.400
to get a cards and cards out there that could seriously compete with NVIDIA

00:41:57.240 --> 00:42:03.480
since we guys all know the Titans so far just suck the market up so I think AMD

00:42:01.960 --> 00:42:07.280
is just trying to really stick to what they know right now I think in launches

00:42:05.480 --> 00:42:10.200
that we see next year with new stuff we'll see them go back to that again but

00:42:09.000 --> 00:42:16.400
I think right now they're just trying to really stick with what they

00:42:12.280 --> 00:42:18.720
know yep I agree I agree 100% now I

00:42:16.400 --> 00:42:24.559
wanted to move on to this as a separate topic but I guess this Segways in really

00:42:21.119 --> 00:42:27.319
really well do you feel like NVIDIA has

00:42:24.559 --> 00:42:32.839
been holding back for the last last two years um yes for a fact I mean everybody

00:42:31.160 --> 00:42:36.160
that I see at NVIDIA is constantly on vacation like you guys all know Del

00:42:34.760 --> 00:42:41.640
Rizzo every time I see him he's on vacation with his husband around the world sending me a postcard saying hey

00:42:39.480 --> 00:42:45.240
we love the world if the company really wanted to be that competitive I think

00:42:43.520 --> 00:42:48.720
we' be see these guys doing a lot more launching and a lot more talking about

00:42:46.680 --> 00:42:53.599
their product they seem to be right now in cruise control just kicking back and

00:42:50.960 --> 00:42:58.200
waiting to see what AMD's move is now of course oh sorry go ahead we called this

00:42:55.520 --> 00:43:01.800
out like a while ago actually we we've called this out repeatedly because we

00:43:00.680 --> 00:43:05.760
just we've we've known they've been sitting on this chip for so long just

00:43:04.119 --> 00:43:08.520
going oh here's another little bit oh there's another little bit you that's

00:43:07.280 --> 00:43:14.599
all you need don't worry about it they're just kind of sitting there so for those of you who aren't familiar

00:43:11.280 --> 00:43:16.240
with the history GTX Titan or gk10 is

00:43:14.599 --> 00:43:23.079
the code name it's the same GPU that's in GTX 780 the rumor was that that was

00:43:19.800 --> 00:43:25.599
always supposed to be the successor to

00:43:23.079 --> 00:43:32.240
the GTX 580 That was supposed to be the GTX 680 but the rumor the word on the

00:43:28.760 --> 00:43:35.200
street is that NVIDIA saw how poorly

00:43:32.240 --> 00:43:38.720
7970 performed and remember this was AMD strategy of smaller cores and then

00:43:37.359 --> 00:43:43.839
putting two of them together for the highend which they didn't even manage to

00:43:41.000 --> 00:43:48.760
do until a year plus into that product launch um so when NVIDIA saw how poorly

00:43:46.559 --> 00:43:54.200
it performed they basically went well we don't even have to release this as a

00:43:50.880 --> 00:43:59.000
GeForce GPU and they took what would

00:43:54.200 --> 00:44:03.040
have been GTX 66 TI GTX 660 class of

00:43:59.000 --> 00:44:04.520
product the gk104 GPU and turned that

00:44:03.040 --> 00:44:08.599
into their high-end product and basically sat on

00:44:06.400 --> 00:44:15.720
gk10 um you know deployed it in supercomputing applications Tesla and um

00:44:12.760 --> 00:44:22.040
so so the the basically the rumor is that had NVIDIA or had AMD managed to

00:44:18.680 --> 00:44:24.440
release something like R9 290x you know

00:44:22.040 --> 00:44:28.480
uh a year and a half ago we would things would have been different we would have

00:44:25.680 --> 00:44:34.880
seen we wouldn't have seen A1 thousand GTX Titan yeah yeah I agree with you

00:44:31.839 --> 00:44:36.640
100% NVIDIA's had no reason to come back

00:44:34.880 --> 00:44:40.160
up and swing and it really wouldn't make much sense for them either if they came

00:44:38.040 --> 00:44:43.599
out with some card now that was super super fast they would put their

00:44:41.800 --> 00:44:46.160
competitor almost completely out of business and that really wouldn't make

00:44:44.880 --> 00:44:50.040
sense for them either they don't really want AMD to go anywhere they just want

00:44:48.160 --> 00:44:53.079
to beat him and they're doing that and they don't have to do much like I said

00:44:51.480 --> 00:44:56.839
before these guys would not be out on vacation and doing everything if they

00:44:55.079 --> 00:45:00.960
wanted to compete they be in the lab talking to their engineers and talking

00:44:58.480 --> 00:45:04.599
to all of us about something new I don't know about you folks but I haven't heard

00:45:02.240 --> 00:45:08.559
about anything crazy new coming out and the the thing about I mean the thing

00:45:06.440 --> 00:45:13.000
that the viewers need to understand because you know viewers a lot of the

00:45:11.119 --> 00:45:17.559
time I feel like don't understand the market dynamics as well as they would if

00:45:15.640 --> 00:45:21.960
they were part of the industry so the things that viewers need to understand

00:45:19.000 --> 00:45:26.480
is that it costs a certain amount to make a card whether it's to engineer a

00:45:23.960 --> 00:45:32.240
new chip or put a complicated VR design on it or a heat sink I mean the heat

00:45:28.400 --> 00:45:34.000
sink on GTX 780 GTX Titan costs I think

00:45:32.240 --> 00:45:39.359
something in the neighborhood of 70 to $80 that's a bomb cost on that heat sink

00:45:37.240 --> 00:45:43.640
it's extremely expensive to produce something like that so there is an

00:45:40.839 --> 00:45:48.440
actual cost to producing graphics cards um but lus it looks good man it does

00:45:46.079 --> 00:45:51.079
look good and I love it but I mean everybody likes reference cards from

00:45:49.640 --> 00:45:55.200
those guys for the first time ever NVIDIA made reference cards that people

00:45:52.880 --> 00:45:59.160
actually wanted more than other cards that's a different change for those guys

00:45:56.680 --> 00:46:04.079
for sure though so the perception from consumers that more competition just

00:46:01.480 --> 00:46:09.839
drives pricing down is actually wrong more competition drives a product out of

00:46:07.319 --> 00:46:13.880
the market potentially if it costs too much to continue to make it versus how

00:46:12.160 --> 00:46:17.200
much they can actually sell it for compared to everything else that's out

00:46:15.160 --> 00:46:21.240
there so if NVIDIA turned around and released Maxwell tomorrow which is their

00:46:19.599 --> 00:46:27.640
upcoming architecture and it was twice as fast as the R9 series it's not like

00:46:24.400 --> 00:46:30.520
they could charge you know uh $1,500 or

00:46:27.640 --> 00:46:35.520
$2,000 for the top end card it might be lucrative in terms of the profit margin

00:46:33.359 --> 00:46:39.599
on the card but it wouldn't be lucrative in terms of the volume they could turn

00:46:37.480 --> 00:46:43.599
so it's a balancing act where AMD and NVIDIA are constantly playing this game

00:46:41.839 --> 00:46:48.400
where they actually carefully unless they do something crazy like 8800 GT

00:46:45.880 --> 00:46:52.640
they actually carefully slot in a new card so that it performs about like the

00:46:50.359 --> 00:46:56.760
old ones except a slightly better value and it's and it makes sense uh we very

00:46:55.319 --> 00:47:03.520
rarely see see the market completely upset these days so um from a business

00:47:00.400 --> 00:47:05.359
standpoint if you can't get as much for

00:47:03.520 --> 00:47:08.640
your card because people just don't have that much money as it would be worth

00:47:07.440 --> 00:47:15.400
compared to everything else that's in the market and what your competitor can deliver why do you release something

00:47:13.040 --> 00:47:18.480
new yeah for NVIDIA there's really no reason at all for them to release any

00:47:16.920 --> 00:47:22.960
new product right now they can kind of cruise even with even if this card comes

00:47:20.480 --> 00:47:26.480
out and it's really close they can still say in the long run hey our card's

00:47:24.720 --> 00:47:30.119
faster we're going to charge that money and they can wait another generation to

00:47:28.240 --> 00:47:33.760
launch their cards plus from what we've heard they do have two more cards that

00:47:31.760 --> 00:47:37.040
are possibly going to be coming out so we may see something new from them very

00:47:35.480 --> 00:47:42.160
soon why don't you give the details on those cards because we haven't talked about them at all hit

00:47:39.720 --> 00:47:47.079
us um well there're supposed to be a single GPU card coming out and another

00:47:44.280 --> 00:47:49.920
dual GPU card coming out from NVIDIA um the rumors are flying there's nothing

00:47:48.480 --> 00:47:53.599
you know concrete that I've actually heard from them directly but we've seen

00:47:51.880 --> 00:47:56.680
the leaks around the world so we know that something's definitely going to be

00:47:54.960 --> 00:47:59.800
coming all all these guys are doing right now is sitting back once again

00:47:58.480 --> 00:48:05.040
they're going to wait for the launch they're going to see how it affects them and then they'll make a decision if

00:48:03.280 --> 00:48:09.680
there's nothing that they need to do they're going to even hold back on releasing any new cards until probably

00:48:08.319 --> 00:48:15.839
we may see something right at the holiday season but if not it'll be in q1

00:48:12.319 --> 00:48:17.640
of 2014 so I actually just linked to uh

00:48:15.839 --> 00:48:21.400
your article here so the guys this is on Tech of tomorrow.com and the article is

00:48:19.760 --> 00:48:25.280
NVIDIA cutting video card prices in October to compete with AMD with a

00:48:23.000 --> 00:48:30.720
question mark on it you know allegedly you know rumored um rumor rumor that

00:48:28.599 --> 00:48:35.640
question Mar where El basically says well look we might see a full-fledged

00:48:32.760 --> 00:48:40.359
Titan not all of the SMX modules and cudic cores are enabled on the GTX Titan

00:48:38.240 --> 00:48:46.800
right now we might also see and this has been rumored by NVIDIA themselves a dual

00:48:43.160 --> 00:48:50.240
GK 110 GPU which would be

00:48:46.800 --> 00:48:52.760
absolutely Benchmark crushing I mean I'd

00:48:50.240 --> 00:48:56.839
love to see it I'd love to see it um with that said for all the viewers that

00:48:54.559 --> 00:49:01.200
are kind of about to ask me and about to hit my PM inbox Lon is how do you think

00:48:59.000 --> 00:49:08.760
it will perform the answer is very simple it'll per fast fast just like two

00:49:05.319 --> 00:49:11.079
GK 110s in SLI on separate cards pretty

00:49:08.760 --> 00:49:15.839
much like that so there there's not a whole lot of Special Sauce to to to go

00:49:13.079 --> 00:49:19.400
on here but NVIDIA has actually contacted me and said hey you know get

00:49:17.720 --> 00:49:23.000
ready to have these cards so they might be something that they have on paper

00:49:21.240 --> 00:49:26.000
they might even have them but they're not yet really sharing them with the

00:49:24.559 --> 00:49:30.599
market and saying hey these cards are for sure because believe me as soon as

00:49:28.200 --> 00:49:35.839
they do you know we'll know well NVIDIA used to be

00:49:32.960 --> 00:49:40.760
pure uh pure you know consumer graphics cards whereas you look at some of their

00:49:37.599 --> 00:49:44.400
initiatives now something like grid

00:49:40.760 --> 00:49:47.440
already uses dual gk10 gpus on a single

00:49:44.400 --> 00:49:50.000
PCB so NVIDIA has become and you look at

00:49:47.440 --> 00:49:53.960
Titan same thing become more about delivering an Enterprise solution and

00:49:51.839 --> 00:49:57.640
trickling that technology down to the consumer which is a reversal from what

00:49:55.920 --> 00:50:03.599
we saw from them before so I wouldn't be surprised if they are just sitting there

00:50:00.520 --> 00:50:06.040
waiting for AMD to do something and they

00:50:03.599 --> 00:50:10.440
just you know get a consumer friendly looking heat sink and redesign the io to

00:50:08.720 --> 00:50:15.240
actually have some ports on it and release something along the lines of

00:50:12.119 --> 00:50:17.280
that card now did you guys hear that all

00:50:15.240 --> 00:50:21.359
of the two adx cards that are coming out they're not have any reference bottels

00:50:19.240 --> 00:50:25.119
whatsoever I'm hearing I'm that every is supposed to have its own cooling from

00:50:23.079 --> 00:50:29.440
the company so instead ofing a car with a stick on it I'm hearing that all of

00:50:27.240 --> 00:50:32.960
the new 2x cards will be specifically designed by the company that's making

00:50:30.839 --> 00:50:39.599
them you guys heard that as well I hadn't heard that but I do know that our

00:50:35.760 --> 00:50:41.240
sample 290x um is a non-reference card

00:50:39.599 --> 00:50:46.559
and I haven't heard of anyone who has gotten a reference card so while AMD did

00:50:44.359 --> 00:50:52.640
have reference cards at the event in Hawaii um I haven't I haven't seen any

00:50:49.839 --> 00:50:56.400
yet so that could very well be true with that said you know maybe this is a good

00:50:54.400 --> 00:51:00.200
opportunity to talk about about what do you think of reference cards versus

00:50:58.559 --> 00:51:07.319
non-reference cards because this is a question that we get a ton of um I think

00:51:04.599 --> 00:51:13.040
really matters on like who is making the reference card because company will take

00:51:09.839 --> 00:51:14.720
a reference card and Sor to sorry uh

00:51:13.040 --> 00:51:18.960
sorry to interrupt we're getting a we're getting some some breaking up on the

00:51:16.319 --> 00:51:24.079
call here can we try redialing you here let's try that one more time here

00:51:21.720 --> 00:51:29.559
sorry guys our connection looks good the stream seems to be running just fine

00:51:25.880 --> 00:51:31.520
still so um just for a minute just just

00:51:29.559 --> 00:51:35.640
to be clear guys uh we still have our razor lower third down here but the

00:51:33.480 --> 00:51:40.440
Razer comm's sponsorship is technically over and El had Skype on his machine so

00:51:38.559 --> 00:51:45.440
we we decided to go that route so you're back right I'm

00:51:42.440 --> 00:51:47.599
here but you still got that robot sound

00:51:45.440 --> 00:51:52.839
I wonder what's going on here it sounds like you might be being dosed actually

00:51:50.280 --> 00:51:58.000
would be my suspicion my coms broke that was

00:51:56.000 --> 00:52:03.599
actually why I didn't use it but I can try and see if the hear

00:52:00.559 --> 00:52:05.440
you yeah I think uh I think you might be

00:52:03.599 --> 00:52:12.119
being dosed so um do you happen H okay let's see if

00:52:09.680 --> 00:52:17.280
we can figure out what we can do isn't actually oh there we go hold on have we

00:52:14.799 --> 00:52:22.440
got has has the connection dropped completely no we can hear him still

00:52:20.160 --> 00:52:25.839
there okay well I'm here you know what why don't you go ahead and sort of we'll

00:52:24.040 --> 00:52:29.520
see if we can power through and give us a you know what would be do

00:52:28.040 --> 00:52:32.799
how good of a data plan do you have on your phone do you want to give us a call

00:52:31.119 --> 00:52:40.440
from your phone on a mobile network and see if we can we can avoid

00:52:35.000 --> 00:52:41.520
this um um I I suppose I I I'm in my

00:52:40.440 --> 00:52:46.359
house I thought this was a good connection um they say that I'm getting

00:52:44.640 --> 00:52:50.839
bsed or something yeah it's a it's a Skype bug

00:52:49.359 --> 00:52:58.000
um there's really not a whole lot that can be done about it but anyone who knows your Skype ID uh is able to uh to

00:52:55.400 --> 00:53:02.920
Dos you with impunity it was a problem we were running into on the W show where

00:53:00.680 --> 00:53:07.799
our shows were getting shut down because someone who knew our Skype ID was was

00:53:05.319 --> 00:53:11.599
shutting us down in fact that person that person's probably trying to Dos us

00:53:09.920 --> 00:53:17.200
right now but don't worry we're using a very secret Skype ID that gets used for

00:53:13.599 --> 00:53:18.920
nothing but this so um you know so I've

00:53:17.200 --> 00:53:23.520
been I've been hacked basically yeah so you guys want

00:53:22.160 --> 00:53:27.079
me to try to hang up this and then call you back is that saying

00:53:25.720 --> 00:53:31.799
it's a little bit better now why don't you give us the reference versus non-reference card bit and let's uh let

00:53:30.359 --> 00:53:37.200
try let's let's try it let's see if you can make it all right so check out

00:53:33.640 --> 00:53:40.000
here's my way now in the past are you

00:53:37.200 --> 00:53:44.280
guys still there oh yeah okay in the past I thought nid made some of the

00:53:42.520 --> 00:53:49.200
worst reference coolers around you guys all know everybody called them lawnmowers and everything else they were

00:53:47.079 --> 00:53:53.720
super loud in fact everybody kind of suffered from it do you remember the

00:53:50.799 --> 00:53:53.720
7950

00:53:54.160 --> 00:54:01.880
gx2 how can you not but but like but like I was saying

00:53:59.240 --> 00:54:05.400
man like NV now makes a reference card that has a really nice cooler on and

00:54:03.799 --> 00:54:09.839
many of the people on my will come to me and say Hey how do you get a hold of

00:54:07.440 --> 00:54:13.200
that reference design exactly like that and that time it was really cool but

00:54:11.359 --> 00:54:17.040
most of the time when companies just take and put some piece of plastic on it

00:54:15.160 --> 00:54:20.440
and throw a sticker on it I mean I suppose that's it's okay if you're just

00:54:18.480 --> 00:54:24.079
somebody throwing in a computer and not looking at it but most of the people I

00:54:22.319 --> 00:54:27.079
think nowadays they game

00:54:27.400 --> 00:54:33.960
oh boy yeah no he's uh definitely definitely being dosed so maybe maybe

00:54:32.040 --> 00:54:38.200
try and bring the connection back in the meantime guys I would love for you to

00:54:36.079 --> 00:54:42.200
hit us up on Twitter give us a Twitter Blitz of any questions you have for elri

00:54:40.559 --> 00:54:46.920
that you'd like him to address live on the screen

00:54:44.319 --> 00:54:50.760
um all right so let's go ahead and move into one of our other topics while we

00:54:48.520 --> 00:54:55.400
try and get El back I've got someone asking me on uh on Twitter do you even

00:54:52.839 --> 00:55:00.000
know what dos is it's just Skype being garbage uh the reality of it is skype's

00:54:57.960 --> 00:55:04.640
service really just isn't actually that bad and uh yeah it's it's it's probably

00:55:03.079 --> 00:55:09.760
not that so do we have you back are you back I am here I don't know how much you

00:55:06.880 --> 00:55:15.079
guys got but I'm here all right you're back so uh we made it to you don't see

00:55:12.119 --> 00:55:19.160
much of a value to board Partners just taking a reference design and slapping a

00:55:17.000 --> 00:55:22.599
sticker on it uh versus actually designing their own card yeah most of

00:55:21.480 --> 00:55:26.480
the time I don't really think that's good because I mean there somebody who

00:55:24.599 --> 00:55:29.799
doesn't about your computer and you just want to throw it in there and play some

00:55:27.880 --> 00:55:32.680
games you want a card that's going to look good it's going to be cool going to

00:55:31.319 --> 00:55:39.440
have overclocking all that stuff and when these guys go out of their way and they make windforce twin frozer as6 when

00:55:37.720 --> 00:55:43.520
they make this extra Cooling and go that extra mile it just seems to make the

00:55:41.200 --> 00:55:47.319
card be a better card and look better and for the five or $ t0 do that you pay

00:55:45.400 --> 00:55:51.760
a difference I think the people who take the time to do that are making a better

00:55:49.359 --> 00:55:55.200
card now there are some people however who have contacted me like I said who

00:55:53.359 --> 00:55:59.599
they really want to get their hands on the reference cards just like they look

00:55:57.440 --> 00:56:03.880
from Nidia you can get those obviously from EVGA they have those but there are

00:56:02.000 --> 00:56:07.960
still some people that just made a plastic shroud even for somebody these

00:56:05.839 --> 00:56:10.760
newer cars and I don't really appreciate that I think it's better if you go out

00:56:09.160 --> 00:56:14.839
of your way and take the time to make a better card you're not the reference guy

00:56:12.880 --> 00:56:19.240
take the time to make a good card yep you know what I agree with you 100%

00:56:17.039 --> 00:56:23.920
because there was a time a few years ago when you were looking at paying a lot of

00:56:21.119 --> 00:56:28.720
the time for a non-reference card as much as you would pay for the next

00:56:26.160 --> 00:56:32.960
better GPU so we were getting you know redesigned cards that are a lower tier

00:56:31.119 --> 00:56:36.200
of product and then we were getting them sold to us at the price of a higher tier

00:56:34.839 --> 00:56:39.400
product with performance that was about the same but they'd be overclocked

00:56:38.039 --> 00:56:45.280
already and yeah you'd have a little bit more Headroom out of them but usually you were better off just buying a better

00:56:42.599 --> 00:56:49.839
GPU in the first place whereas now it's like you said it usually costs like what

00:56:47.400 --> 00:56:55.359
an extra 10 bucks 15 bucks to get something like a direct cu2 or a

00:56:51.880 --> 00:56:56.920
windforce or um or a a twin froz card

00:56:55.359 --> 00:57:02.400
that has better Cooling and in the case of direct cu2 in particular um ASUS has

00:56:59.599 --> 00:57:07.599
done a great job of having completely non-reference redesign cards ready at

00:57:05.319 --> 00:57:12.640
launch a lot of the time so I I think there's a very compelling value to be

00:57:09.480 --> 00:57:12.640
had there the

00:57:15.280 --> 00:57:21.599
only sorry we can't uh we we can't make

00:57:18.319 --> 00:57:23.440
you out again but um you know what I

00:57:21.599 --> 00:57:27.520
think uh we're we're getting we're getting some we're getting some some

00:57:25.079 --> 00:57:30.839
complaints here on the stream about just how bad the voice quality is you know

00:57:29.240 --> 00:57:36.680
what I'm sorry we might have to let you go El um is he is he still able to hear

00:57:34.039 --> 00:57:41.720
me through probably not he can hear us fine yeah I hear you guys fine sorry

00:57:40.000 --> 00:57:47.000
you're breaking up too bad so you know what um thank you so much for coming on

00:57:44.359 --> 00:57:52.319
as a guest um since they can't really hear you I'll I guess what I'll have to

00:57:48.920 --> 00:57:56.799
do is just kind of do your outro for you

00:57:52.319 --> 00:57:56.799
hey I hope you can hear that

00:58:02.039 --> 00:58:07.640
sorry man we got nothing you're gonna you're going to have to let's do it yeah

00:58:05.559 --> 00:58:12.839
I I'll I'll cut it but do an outro for yeah okay so guys just so you know

00:58:10.000 --> 00:58:18.000
that's elri he's got over 200,000 subscribers on the YouTubes which is all

00:58:15.200 --> 00:58:23.000
the more impressive because he had to restart his channel he got a lot of

00:58:20.280 --> 00:58:27.000
support from his viewers formerly on the youtube.com/ motherboard zorg Channel

00:58:25.440 --> 00:58:31.720
they have flocked over there they have helped spread the word and it is now at

00:58:29.039 --> 00:58:36.480
the point where Tech of Tomorrow has more subscribers than the

00:58:33.319 --> 00:58:38.440
motherboards.org channel ever had and uh

00:58:36.480 --> 00:58:43.359
he is he is definitely he's got faster growth than ever before and I think it's

00:58:41.000 --> 00:58:49.480
I think it's a really cool um I think it's a really cool example of how

00:58:45.599 --> 00:58:50.920
YouTubers can basically come back and

00:58:49.480 --> 00:58:55.319
with the support of their communities can really make a go of it in spite of

00:58:53.480 --> 00:58:59.440
some some really challenging stuff that happened uh quite a few months ago it

00:58:57.440 --> 00:59:03.119
must have been about 10 months ago now to uh to El yeah it was cuz it was right

00:59:01.200 --> 00:59:08.200
around the time that we went Indie so guys you can follow him at Tech tomorrow

00:59:05.680 --> 00:59:15.920
on YouTube or you can go over to teof tomorrow.com and uh check him out so

00:59:12.000 --> 00:59:20.079
parents Minecraft is um apparently a big

00:59:15.920 --> 00:59:24.799
problem so this was a post on Kaku which

00:59:20.079 --> 00:59:27.960
uh I mean oh come on okay so now we

00:59:24.799 --> 00:59:30.280
heard it all Minecraft blamed in school

00:59:27.960 --> 00:59:37.400
violence case it should be noted that the kid took an unloaded gun to school

00:59:34.520 --> 00:59:41.039
and there was no there to to to give a little bit to the guy who's an idiot

00:59:39.280 --> 00:59:47.319
there was no firing pin in the gun the kid should not have been able to get a

00:59:43.240 --> 00:59:49.240
pistol with a with ammo but there at

00:59:47.319 --> 00:59:53.839
least was no firing pin so there was no firing pin however the kid did have a

00:59:51.599 --> 00:59:59.559
steak knife and a small handled sledgehammer so arguably as far as

00:59:57.319 --> 01:00:04.480
things that we'd consider to be weapons go the only one was a gun and then as

01:00:02.920 --> 01:00:08.680
far as things that we'd consider to be functional weapons go the sledgehammer

01:00:06.760 --> 01:00:13.480
and the knife are probably actually the most potent out of everything with with

01:00:10.880 --> 01:00:20.720
that said threatening with a gun is is a very big deal but the kid never actually

01:00:17.400 --> 01:00:22.760
um didn't threatened anyone so so he had

01:00:20.720 --> 01:00:26.559
them at school which is terrible and the kid basically says

01:00:27.359 --> 01:00:35.119
well they use hammers to dig and knives and guns to protect themselves from

01:00:31.799 --> 01:00:36.880
zombies this was the not the kid yeah

01:00:35.119 --> 01:00:40.039
this was the wait what I'm pretty sure that was the dad was it not yeah that

01:00:38.240 --> 01:00:42.960
was the dad so I thought Oh I thought you were saying that that was the radio

01:00:41.559 --> 01:00:47.559
station so so when the dad was interviewed he clearly didn't have a

01:00:45.440 --> 01:00:52.480
very clear understanding of how mcraft Works how Minecraft works because

01:00:49.240 --> 01:00:55.520
digging is normally done with a shovel

01:00:52.480 --> 01:00:57.039
or and Mining is done with a a pickaxe

01:00:55.520 --> 01:01:03.240
or he doesn't understand how digging and Mining work because I don't know anyone who digs or mines with it so I mean

01:01:00.920 --> 01:01:10.760
really what this calls into question is the um the uh uh the the comprehension

01:01:07.559 --> 01:01:12.760
of situations of he's trying he he he

01:01:10.760 --> 01:01:18.640
took his situation he sat there and went okay everything that went wrong was kind

01:01:14.920 --> 01:01:21.079
of my fault now what is applicable that

01:01:18.640 --> 01:01:25.720
I can throw poo at to make this look bad instead of me and just randomly was like

01:01:23.280 --> 01:01:30.520
he plays viget game everyone blames VI games I'm going to blame VI games and I

01:01:27.799 --> 01:01:34.480
mean I personally you know as a parent now I do I think that something like

01:01:32.599 --> 01:01:37.960
Grand Theft Auto 5 is something that I want my kid playing the answer is no I

01:01:36.240 --> 01:01:41.760
was I was going to say hopefully no the answer is no and you know what I don't

01:01:39.760 --> 01:01:48.760
even I'm not even of the mind that you know at 16 or 18 necessarily that people

01:01:45.240 --> 01:01:51.760
should be influenced by that kind of

01:01:48.760 --> 01:01:54.000
media with that said there's worse out

01:01:51.760 --> 01:01:58.160
there that isn't in a video game this much is true and with that said I'm a

01:01:56.480 --> 01:02:03.160
pretty firm believer in the whole nurture versus nature and I lean more

01:02:00.760 --> 01:02:08.000
towards the nature side do I believe that playing a violent video game takes

01:02:05.160 --> 01:02:11.839
an otherwise fuzzy warm would never hurt a fly person and turns them into a

01:02:09.559 --> 01:02:15.720
serial killer the answer is no do I think that some desensitization goes on

01:02:13.880 --> 01:02:19.599
the answer is yes and you're you're basically wrong if you don't think that

01:02:17.799 --> 01:02:23.000
desensitization is a thing but desensitization also doesn't make you do

01:02:21.599 --> 01:02:28.119
anything it just makes you not necessarily react in crazy so the one

01:02:25.279 --> 01:02:33.119
thing that that does bother me is I do think that there is probably potentially

01:02:30.839 --> 01:02:37.720
and I'm putting a lot of stuff in here probably maybe po I think that if you

01:02:35.079 --> 01:02:43.000
lean that way in the first place you might get a few interesting cool ideas

01:02:40.760 --> 01:02:46.920
that you could go ahead and act on that you might not have otherwise thought of

01:02:44.760 --> 01:02:51.240
but not really from Minecraft no not from Minecraft that's ridiculous nothing

01:02:49.119 --> 01:02:54.760
like a sword and my thing was like a sword and a bow and arrow if you can

01:02:53.039 --> 01:02:59.640
translate his whatever the the heck that he brought up what what kid didn't carve

01:02:57.279 --> 01:03:03.520
their toast into a sword and sword fight with their brother like 100% what kid

01:03:01.599 --> 01:03:08.319
doesn't go to camp and sharpen the end of a stick and like poke random things

01:03:06.160 --> 01:03:15.200
you know sword fights or whatever like you're a kid yeah like come

01:03:11.319 --> 01:03:17.760
on any media any book you've like ever

01:03:15.200 --> 01:03:20.640
read ever has some sort of there's there's the the mice whatever that book

01:03:19.480 --> 01:03:26.039
was called but the mice have little swords and shields and stuff like it's

01:03:22.480 --> 01:03:27.839
it's just it's or whatever that Series

01:03:26.039 --> 01:03:33.799
yeah like it's just anyway this doesn't deserve any more of our attention let's

01:03:29.680 --> 01:03:34.880
move on to a yeah this surprised the

01:03:33.799 --> 01:03:40.039
crap out of me I can't believe they're shipping Titans I had no idea that this

01:03:38.599 --> 01:03:46.240
was the approach valve was going to take so they're talking about the prototypes

01:03:42.599 --> 01:03:49.640
that they're going to send out 300 of to

01:03:46.240 --> 01:03:51.799
Lucky folks who potentially very lucky

01:03:49.640 --> 01:03:58.000
potentially very lucky folks who apply to participate in the Prototype test of

01:03:54.839 --> 01:04:00.079
steam's steam box gaming console that's

01:03:58.000 --> 01:04:05.319
going to have the Steam OS on it and there are okay so the 300 prototype

01:04:02.119 --> 01:04:08.599
units will ship with the following

01:04:05.319 --> 01:04:12.440
components some will have NVIDIA

01:04:08.599 --> 01:04:15.359
Titans some will have GTX 780s some 6

01:04:12.440 --> 01:04:19.480
70s and some 660s so we're talking mid-range to highend gpus I was really

01:04:17.520 --> 01:04:24.799
expecting steam box to be more of a value oriented remember though what what

01:04:21.799 --> 01:04:26.640
what I brought up last week is that Val

01:04:24.799 --> 01:04:31.200
the steam box from valve if you buy a steam box from valve it's going to be

01:04:28.680 --> 01:04:35.839
heavily customizable so it's going to be a desktop PC and it's going to come with

01:04:33.720 --> 01:04:44.640
baller Hardware that's been the idea then everyone else will have size or um

01:04:41.000 --> 01:04:46.240
value like price or or or low power

01:04:44.640 --> 01:04:49.640
consumption that kind of stuff valve is going for the beast machine PCS which is

01:04:48.319 --> 01:04:53.960
probably not going to sell as many in my opinion but so these are but I mean

01:04:51.559 --> 01:04:58.240
valve has such brand Equity that they could could say well look no if you want

01:04:56.160 --> 01:05:01.520
the Ultimate steambox Experience you can get it this way or you can go work with

01:05:00.079 --> 01:05:05.799
a third party or you can build your own or whatever but we're valves so if you

01:05:03.119 --> 01:05:08.680
want one built by us boom boom exactly and and something that's been

01:05:06.839 --> 01:05:12.200
interesting is Boutique system Builders we kind of rag on it every once in a

01:05:09.920 --> 01:05:15.559
while because it's so hard to effectively be a boutique system builder

01:05:14.319 --> 01:05:20.240
this might be the only point in time where it makes sense because if you

01:05:17.520 --> 01:05:23.880
build uh Steam Machines you're getting into an audience where they don't want

01:05:21.599 --> 01:05:29.799
to build their own computer eventally yep and they want something that's not

01:05:27.119 --> 01:05:32.680
an HP yeah so they want something that's built for that application so it might

01:05:31.359 --> 01:05:38.359
make more sense the rest of the specs look great as well inel 4770s or 4570s

01:05:36.119 --> 01:05:44.520
there's going to be some i3s storage is going to be at 1 TB8 gig hybrid sshd it

01:05:42.200 --> 01:05:49.200
sounds like seates Drive um in all likelihood power supply will be an

01:05:46.119 --> 01:05:50.520
internal 450 watt because valve actually

01:05:49.200 --> 01:05:58.359
understands that you don't need a 1200 wat power supply even to power something like a Titan Al although 450 watt is

01:05:55.279 --> 01:06:01.160
probably borderline for 4770 in a Titan

01:05:58.359 --> 01:06:06.200
um and then finally 16 gigs of RAM so they are really going Balls to the walls

01:06:03.559 --> 01:06:09.000
on the hardware here which leads us into unless you had something else to say

01:06:07.480 --> 01:06:14.000
about valves prototype just just the Titan thing is that they're they're not

01:06:10.960 --> 01:06:16.319
going to be U I don't think any of these

01:06:14.000 --> 01:06:20.440
like I think what they're expecting is that if you're getting a prototype that

01:06:18.559 --> 01:06:25.039
if you they're saying fully customizable right yeah so if you want to overclock

01:06:21.799 --> 01:06:27.119
like crazy and do heavier things on it

01:06:25.039 --> 01:06:31.200
that you could put in a bigger power probably it's fully customizable because

01:06:29.079 --> 01:06:37.000
I think protype has to work out of the box I mean I think it'll work okay

01:06:33.200 --> 01:06:41.799
that'll work all right so uh

01:06:37.000 --> 01:06:44.200
xi3 to unveil the Piston so this is

01:06:41.799 --> 01:06:49.599
apparently going to be shipping as soon as what was it mid November mid November

01:06:47.559 --> 01:06:54.920
for folks who pre-ordered them a while ago and late November like the end of

01:06:52.200 --> 01:06:59.880
November I think the 29th for folks who want to order one now so they are saying

01:06:58.039 --> 01:07:05.720
okay it's a powerful gaming system however powerful is very relative it is

01:07:03.160 --> 01:07:09.720
not that powerful compared to what valve will be shipping as prototypes because

01:07:08.000 --> 01:07:14.839
this is going to be what I'd consider to be more like um more like a NextGen

01:07:12.839 --> 01:07:20.200
console in terms of CPU power but the GPU power will actually be less this is

01:07:17.119 --> 01:07:22.559
an APU based machine so here you can see

01:07:20.200 --> 01:07:29.039
what it looks like um Apu based machine it'll be powerful for its

01:07:25.079 --> 01:07:31.599
yeah it's tiny so it's 4 in by 4 in by 4

01:07:29.039 --> 01:07:36.880
in um their website has a bunch of different pictures on it including a

01:07:33.960 --> 01:07:40.880
dude wearing it as like a backpack so you can see that right here and wearing

01:07:38.720 --> 01:07:45.440
what looks like a VR device and a interesting because of certain things

01:07:42.920 --> 01:07:49.400
that don't make sense but kind of Epic if you can make it work that'd be

01:07:47.039 --> 01:07:53.680
awesome like there's no battery or they haven't I I looked like crazy I spent a

01:07:52.400 --> 01:07:56.799
really long time on this topic because I was digging through everything trying to

01:07:55.480 --> 01:08:04.160
find if there's a battery I'm like how is this guy wearing it in the backpack okay here's my here's my suggestion I

01:08:00.799 --> 01:08:06.000
would suggest that it uses DC in because

01:08:04.160 --> 01:08:10.520
it's going to be relatively low power and if that were the case you saw that

01:08:08.520 --> 01:08:15.799
huge external battery that edel bought right uh 25,000 milliamp battery you

01:08:13.760 --> 01:08:19.560
could buy a half a dozen of them daisy chain them and you could it's if you

01:08:17.759 --> 01:08:23.319
look in my notes I was saying something I would love to do is throw this in a

01:08:21.000 --> 01:08:26.759
backpack with a huge pile of batteries and then go to and something I thought

01:08:24.880 --> 01:08:30.600
of this is we always have our like crazy off-the-wall theories so this is one of

01:08:28.279 --> 01:08:38.600
mine um is you could go into a paintball Arena or a uh laser tag arena and have

01:08:34.319 --> 01:08:40.279
that space mapped out into the thing and

01:08:38.600 --> 01:08:44.640
then go around with a gun where you Oculus Rift and have fake enemies all

01:08:42.000 --> 01:08:49.480
over the place that would be how epic or even better yet real enemies real enem

01:08:47.679 --> 01:08:54.759
but then you have to have you you would just have to have some sort of uh like

01:08:52.359 --> 01:08:57.839
positional tracking on the back could where they were Oculus in its

01:08:56.279 --> 01:09:02.199
current form where you connect it to a desktop PC is fascinating but it's

01:09:00.640 --> 01:09:07.480
everything else that's going to be super cool this is going to be just freaking

01:09:05.040 --> 01:09:12.080
insane so okay so the Piston can power up to three displays who cares because

01:09:09.920 --> 01:09:14.600
the GPU is just plain not that powerful it's going to have I think 8 gigs of RAM

01:09:13.480 --> 01:09:20.319
in its stock configuration uh it's an APU it start

01:09:17.560 --> 01:09:26.679
with 128 gab SSD but you can upgrade to two 512s y so those are just standard

01:09:22.279 --> 01:09:29.440
MSA drives super small tons of IO so 12

01:09:26.679 --> 01:09:32.679
usb2 ports DisplayPort mini DisplayPort all kinds of great stuff so you can

01:09:31.239 --> 01:09:39.440
see what they've got planned there uh sorry four of them were USB 3.0 ports

01:09:35.600 --> 01:09:41.759
and so this is I think um I think this

01:09:39.440 --> 01:09:46.799
ties in really well to a topic that I was talking to Chris pillo about at the

01:09:43.799 --> 01:09:49.279
airport when we were in Hawaii and I got

01:09:46.799 --> 01:09:55.400
a lot of flack in the comments under his video which I basically said uh PS4 Xbox

01:09:52.839 --> 01:09:59.600
One is the last generation of dedicated gaming consoles there's people in

01:09:57.280 --> 01:10:03.400
dedicated gaming media that have said that I don't know if you've heard this

01:10:00.920 --> 01:10:08.199
so so hold on the people that were arguing with me seem to have largely not

01:10:05.560 --> 01:10:13.520
watched the video because what they're saying is mobile will never replace the

01:10:11.239 --> 01:10:18.920
big screen experience with a controller I didn't say that I didn't say that he's

01:10:16.280 --> 01:10:23.320
a dedicated cons at all I said a dedicated box for I had one guy say well

01:10:21.280 --> 01:10:29.840
this guy's an idiot because it might be something integrated into your TV yeah I

01:10:26.120 --> 01:10:32.960
said that in the video con the the couch

01:10:29.840 --> 01:10:34.719
gaming experience isn't going away no

01:10:32.960 --> 01:10:39.840
that would be a stupid thing to say that would be ridiculous what I said is that

01:10:37.199 --> 01:10:44.040
if this generation of consoles has a life cycle that's as long as the last

01:10:41.640 --> 01:10:48.280
one of about 8 years we will have outgrown it by8 years from now there's

01:10:46.320 --> 01:10:54.120
people speculating 10 years and in 10 years if your phone can't plug in to

01:10:51.080 --> 01:10:56.480
your TV and power the whole thing what

01:10:54.120 --> 01:11:01.920
were we doing for 10 years yes you look at how quickly it's moving right now

01:10:58.880 --> 01:11:04.440
compared to the compared to the speed at

01:11:01.920 --> 01:11:08.920
which larger devices are moving we're moving towards smaller cores that are

01:11:07.360 --> 01:11:14.320
very powerful but also very power efficient and that's where all the developments going nobody gives any

01:11:12.400 --> 01:11:20.120
cares about building a new cell processor yeah okay so no I'm not saying

01:11:18.920 --> 01:11:23.640
you're not going to sit on your couch with a controller and play games people

01:11:22.000 --> 01:11:28.719
will still do that that will that will pretty much always be a thing but to

01:11:26.040 --> 01:11:33.840
imagine that you need a dedicated device that exists just for playing games on

01:11:30.440 --> 01:11:35.960
your TV in 8 years is ridiculous so I

01:11:33.840 --> 01:11:40.080
really think that platforms like I suggested in the video that Android or

01:11:38.040 --> 01:11:45.000
iOS could potentially take a chunk of this and people are like oh the the game

01:11:42.000 --> 01:11:48.560
devs will continue to develop for V come

01:11:45.000 --> 01:11:50.239
on what Nintendo is still going to exist

01:11:48.560 --> 01:11:54.120
as a hardware manufacturer in 8 years are you kidding me good luck I challenge

01:11:53.000 --> 01:11:58.239
you Nintendo because platforms like open platforms

01:11:56.480 --> 01:12:02.920
like Android will attract game developers we have seen who was it

01:12:01.080 --> 01:12:06.800
someone see I could see devices from Nintendo running Android sure that

01:12:05.560 --> 01:12:12.560
that's actually I had to talk with a friend about that that would be like that would be a rebranding exercise more

01:12:10.320 --> 01:12:17.880
than anything okay fine fine okay fine fine fine but to suggest that closed

01:12:15.480 --> 01:12:23.080
platforms will continue to be a thing I think is ridiculous we've seen already I

01:12:20.639 --> 01:12:30.719
think it was $15 was the most expensive game on the App Store and it's selling

01:12:27.239 --> 01:12:32.280
so no you don't have to develop for and

01:12:30.719 --> 01:12:36.960
and we can prove that you don't have to develop for a closed platform and all of

01:12:34.320 --> 01:12:40.840
a sudden anyone on their phone or TV or Shield or whatever else can consume your

01:12:38.960 --> 01:12:44.120
game you're going to be hitting so much larger of an audience what do game devs

01:12:42.480 --> 01:12:47.800
look for they look for where are people willing to spend money people love

01:12:45.600 --> 01:12:53.719
buying apps and they look for where is a large install base why do you develop

01:12:50.520 --> 01:12:56.560
for Xbox 360 because there's Mill ions

01:12:53.719 --> 01:13:01.760
of them out there why do you develop for Android Windows phone because there's

01:12:59.800 --> 01:13:08.440
millions of them out there the install base for Android will completely Eclipse

01:13:05.320 --> 01:13:10.400
anything that PS4 or Xbox One combined

01:13:08.440 --> 01:13:13.440
could hope to accomplish eight years from now in fact probably already and

01:13:12.040 --> 01:13:18.400
we're going to look at cell phones that you will own in not that long that will

01:13:16.400 --> 01:13:22.760
be more powerful than that console that you own yes that is going to happen so

01:13:20.840 --> 01:13:26.920
when I brought up plugging your phone into the TV has because your phone will

01:13:24.600 --> 01:13:31.159
be better than the console that you also have loaded into the TV so there you go

01:13:29.000 --> 01:13:36.280
guys yes it'll hold on and yes this generation of consoles will continue to

01:13:33.239 --> 01:13:38.320
exist but and and you know what okay may

01:13:36.280 --> 01:13:41.560
maybe we'll see one more but I don't think it'll be that successful I don't

01:13:40.000 --> 01:13:44.679
think it'll be that big of a deal that's that's another thing like Nintendo not

01:13:43.320 --> 01:13:49.600
making their own device like they might still be making their own device it might be side by side like there might

01:13:48.320 --> 01:13:54.400
be a dedicated Nintendo one and an Android one or they might just be struggling along it just won't be on the

01:13:52.400 --> 01:13:58.639
scale it currently is we might see we might see some kind of an evolution

01:13:56.199 --> 01:14:01.880
where um games could be platform specific like Nintendo could lock down

01:14:00.520 --> 01:14:05.679
Nintendo games to only run on their Android thing I I don't see that

01:14:03.840 --> 01:14:08.840
happening though um I I could see it happening I don't know why they would

01:14:07.120 --> 01:14:13.679
it'll all come down to game devs though and I mean people making the argument in

01:14:10.520 --> 01:14:15.800
the comments as well that oh yeah I'm

01:14:13.679 --> 01:14:19.520
going to replace my GTA 5 gaming experience with Angry Birds yeah Angry

01:14:17.800 --> 01:14:23.679
Birds isn't the only game that runs on Android like let's get over that let's

01:14:21.560 --> 01:14:27.920
just move past that we don't have G 5 running on Android but at some point it

01:14:25.560 --> 01:14:33.600
will be it will be capable of doing it and if there's money to be made by doing

01:14:30.719 --> 01:14:36.840
that I mean you'd be crazy as a Game Dev to not develop for a platform where

01:14:35.520 --> 01:14:41.920
people will throw buckets of money at you one of the main reasons why I was interested in Ubuntu Edge back to

01:14:40.199 --> 01:14:46.239
throwing way back to this was because once you plugged it into a computer or a

01:14:44.520 --> 01:14:50.880
monitor and it detected that setup was going on it it would completely change

01:14:48.520 --> 01:14:54.760
it would boot into Ubuntu desktop OS instead of Ubuntu mobile OS and I found

01:14:52.960 --> 01:14:58.840
that fascinating because you can plug your phone into a screen that's bigger

01:14:56.440 --> 01:15:02.280
than it and it still sucks because it's a mobile OS and it's all weird and

01:15:00.400 --> 01:15:06.679
whatever absolutely but if it's boots into a desktop OS how about you plug

01:15:04.440 --> 01:15:11.239
your phone into your TV it boots into a console OS sure and we've seen glimmers

01:15:09.320 --> 01:15:15.840
of that with Android already and things like the AC Transformer yeah where okay

01:15:14.000 --> 01:15:20.719
yeah yeah mouse keyboard support sure yeah have a more desktop like experience

01:15:17.719 --> 01:15:22.400
there's no reason I mean eight years

01:15:20.719 --> 01:15:28.480
it's a really long time it's a really long time 8 years we've seen smartphones

01:15:26.040 --> 01:15:31.560
come into existence yeah to where we are today like like when you just think 8

01:15:30.199 --> 01:15:35.920
years it doesn't seem like that long but actually go back and look try and figure

01:15:33.639 --> 01:15:40.040
out what tech you owned eight years ago and then just be like it's laughable so

01:15:38.440 --> 01:15:48.360
okay let's move into our next topic because I think I've ranted about that enough the Silk

01:15:43.679 --> 01:15:50.239
Road has been busted open so you know

01:15:48.360 --> 01:15:55.000
what you're you're more into this whole stuff than me so go ahead to to First

01:15:52.840 --> 01:15:58.440
explain expl what it is it's a it's a it's a website on the quote unquote

01:15:57.040 --> 01:16:04.840
people hate it when I say quote unquote quote darket unquote there we go

01:16:02.159 --> 01:16:09.920
um I got called up for that a ton one live stream um that that that uses

01:16:07.320 --> 01:16:14.080
Bitcoins and a weird way of transferring Bitcoins to sell drugs or narcotics so

01:16:12.199 --> 01:16:19.719
they would sell or fake ID or fake IDs or anything that you would sell on the

01:16:15.840 --> 01:16:21.920
black market quote unquote um would

01:16:19.719 --> 01:16:26.639
would go on this website so the idea of it was that you could only access it

01:16:24.080 --> 01:16:33.120
through a tour Network it was a onion website so it wasn't they have a weird

01:16:29.760 --> 01:16:35.040
crazy URL um which is in the dock for

01:16:33.120 --> 01:16:40.679
people that are interested but wouldn't exactly suggest going right now um and

01:16:38.360 --> 01:16:46.120
like it users would connect to it by going behind a proxy like hot Hotspot

01:16:42.880 --> 01:16:48.040
Shield or something and then tore up

01:16:46.120 --> 01:16:53.639
behind that and then they'd be able to access the website so it was below

01:16:50.159 --> 01:16:56.880
layers of security and the idea was that

01:16:53.639 --> 01:16:59.520
everyone sellers buyers owners was

01:16:56.880 --> 01:17:02.480
completely Anonymous yeah and that helps and these these onion websites how all

01:17:01.480 --> 01:17:06.239
they work and all that kind of stuff it's tons of anonymity and then even the

01:17:04.600 --> 01:17:10.760
way that the Bitcoins are transferred in between people helped because you know

01:17:08.280 --> 01:17:15.040
Bitcoin transactions are traceable so the way that they went around was in

01:17:12.520 --> 01:17:18.440
this weird like scrambled or something yeah so so you could you could follow it

01:17:17.040 --> 01:17:23.480
but it was really confusing and it was pretty much impossible to find who it actually ended up with blah blah blah

01:17:21.480 --> 01:17:29.920
blah blah all that kind of stuff so what happened was the not the original

01:17:26.080 --> 01:17:33.320
Creator but the guy that took it over um

01:17:29.920 --> 01:17:35.639
so that's Ross alpr or or what was his

01:17:33.320 --> 01:17:40.360
what was his tag dread pirate Roberts there we go yeah as a as a throwback to

01:17:37.520 --> 01:17:44.000
an an old movie um I love that movie it's awesome yeah it's one of your

01:17:41.880 --> 01:17:47.679
favorites yes I think some people will know what we're talking about Princess

01:17:45.120 --> 01:17:52.520
Bride yeah there um sorry what was going to say yeah so he he has posts on like

01:17:49.600 --> 01:17:56.639
stack Overflow which I Linked In the document which you guys can check out

01:17:54.239 --> 01:18:00.520
which is just like K and like people knew it was him and he's talking about

01:17:58.440 --> 01:18:06.280
like securing onion websites and it's just like K and then in in PMS to a few

01:18:04.080 --> 01:18:10.480
users he put his his personal email address which had his name on it so it's

01:18:08.560 --> 01:18:15.760
like okay and then the FBI has been on him forever he he tried to place two

01:18:13.239 --> 01:18:20.120
Hitman contracts through FBI agents not knowing that they're FBI agents he tried

01:18:17.560 --> 01:18:25.920
to buy a kilogram of coke through FBI agents like he's for for for running

01:18:23.600 --> 01:18:31.360
this like super secret crazy thing that tons of people were on where's my

01:18:28.040 --> 01:18:33.040
metrics there's 146,000 unique buyer

01:18:31.360 --> 01:18:37.840
accounts now in saying that there was almost a million accounts it's just

01:18:35.280 --> 01:18:41.880
146,000 unique buyer accounts these people that actually put through

01:18:39.199 --> 01:18:45.560
transactions and there was 9 million Bitcoins transferred through this thing

01:18:43.800 --> 01:18:50.560
if you break that down that's as far as I know like billions of dollars 1.2

01:18:47.880 --> 01:18:54.159
billion today would be the uh yeah so the sales revenue of more than 95

01:18:52.360 --> 01:18:58.960
million bit Bitcoins valued at 1.2 billion and and people figured out that

01:18:55.920 --> 01:19:02.800
was like a huge percentage of all

01:18:58.960 --> 01:19:04.440
Bitcoin transactions going half yeah so

01:19:02.800 --> 01:19:10.000
we're we're through this website when this got when this got when when he got

01:19:06.400 --> 01:19:14.880
busted um Bitcoin fell by

01:19:10.000 --> 01:19:16.440
29% immediately which like wow for

01:19:14.880 --> 01:19:20.679
people that were trying to keep Bitcoin up on the up and up and like the good

01:19:18.719 --> 01:19:23.480
kind of situation you just lost a lot of and it's one of those things where we

01:19:21.880 --> 01:19:29.199
you know we look at bit and we kind of go yeah great idea but if you're ever

01:19:26.000 --> 01:19:31.679
going to be legit this kind of crap

01:19:29.199 --> 01:19:34.880
isn't going to help because because all people are going to see it for because

01:19:32.760 --> 01:19:38.880
they had this whole the mentality behind the site was that they thought that all

01:19:37.360 --> 01:19:45.239
of this should be okay and should be legal and they were trying to make their own way of doing it like it had a

01:19:42.679 --> 01:19:48.440
underlying philosophy and that's going to be completely ignored now that it's

01:19:47.000 --> 01:19:53.560
been busted open and the runner was trying to get people killed because that's what people are going to focus on

01:19:51.800 --> 01:19:58.719
um so your whole underly philosophy just got blown the crap up and it's it's it's

01:19:56.760 --> 01:20:04.199
now everyone is going to hear about this it's huge on the news and all it says is

01:20:01.159 --> 01:20:06.480
Bitcoin is bad so that's a problem a

01:20:04.199 --> 01:20:10.800
real shame it is it's actually I mean I think we should look at this as just

01:20:08.880 --> 01:20:14.639
from sort of a thousand foot view what a shame uh what a shame for Bitcoin what a

01:20:13.080 --> 01:20:19.920
shame for alternative currency in general because you know even even other

01:20:17.760 --> 01:20:23.880
currencies like Litecoin are going to suffer as a result of the negative image

01:20:22.400 --> 01:20:28.600
of bit coin and I mean it's one of those things where we look at it and we go well the whole point is we want to get

01:20:26.320 --> 01:20:32.840
away from governments dictating what we can or cannot buy where we can and

01:20:30.120 --> 01:20:37.000
cannot spend our money etc etc etc but the problem is that it seems you know

01:20:35.040 --> 01:20:42.480
like if I say this I think it will be true it seems like uh if people want to

01:20:40.800 --> 01:20:46.360
avoid having the government snooping in their Affairs well this is what they're

01:20:43.800 --> 01:20:51.320
doing well okay and that for half of the people using Bitcoins it was true at

01:20:48.719 --> 01:20:54.600
least the the drug thing aside because there's so many laws changing that field

01:20:53.000 --> 01:20:58.800
right now so whether or not you think it's bad or not completely ignoring that

01:20:57.159 --> 01:21:02.679
I think the part where it really stepped over the line was where he was trying to

01:21:00.280 --> 01:21:07.600
get people kills well yeah of course so it just um so so so so that's the

01:21:05.239 --> 01:21:12.199
perception that will be that will exist for half of all the transactions that

01:21:09.639 --> 01:21:15.120
were occurring using Bitcoin yeah and that's that's all allegedly we haven't

01:21:13.960 --> 01:21:21.159
confirmed that number through investigative journalism that half of the transactions were but but uh I I

01:21:18.840 --> 01:21:24.719
think part of that too is because of the kind of back loopy way that they're

01:21:23.159 --> 01:21:29.360
doing transactions they bounced around a lot right so that inflated the number

01:21:26.560 --> 01:21:34.199
like crazy but still 9 million Bitcoins it wasn't a small amount so yeah so one

01:21:32.400 --> 01:21:39.320
of the uh that so he actually ended up getting busted due to a r a random

01:21:36.880 --> 01:21:43.920
routine package inspection where he was having some fake documents shipped over

01:21:41.199 --> 01:21:47.960
the border and uh so there was one of them was a California driver's license

01:21:45.600 --> 01:21:52.360
with his photograph and birth date but a different name so they ended up being

01:21:50.920 --> 01:21:56.440
able to put enough of it together that they were able to to bust him Canadians

01:21:54.760 --> 01:22:01.199
ended up catching him and one thing that is kind of go Canada sucky in this is go

01:21:59.400 --> 01:22:04.960
Canada but a huge amount of the transactions and a huge amount of people

01:22:02.800 --> 01:22:09.880
on the website were Canadian well okay so let's go

01:22:07.920 --> 01:22:16.199
Canada kind of oh yeah all righty then we have a

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01:22:22.679 --> 01:22:29.199
little bit sort of weird talking about this right now but um whatever your

01:22:27.159 --> 01:22:33.719
reasons might be and there are legitimate reasons to value your privacy

01:22:31.360 --> 01:22:39.520
on the Internet seriously with all the NSA crap going on right now just because

01:22:36.960 --> 01:22:44.800
you're not buying drugs online doesn't mean that you shouldn't value your

01:22:41.159 --> 01:22:46.800
privacy um vpns are a great solution and

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01:23:05.960 --> 01:23:11.880
buying drugs part no I I meant at the beginning where I was

01:23:10.360 --> 01:23:16.600
like to hide your footsteps and all that kind of stuff and maybe you're not buying drugs maybe you're trying to talk

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about something that you don't want other people to know about and that

01:23:18.800 --> 01:23:25.080
might not actually be an inherently bad thing so you want to trace your steps um

01:23:22.600 --> 01:23:29.560
not everything that's illegal is necessarily bad I mean we've seen this

01:23:27.760 --> 01:23:33.440
time and time again throughout history where not everything that I mean at

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times you couldn't talk about being a Christian for fear of execution like

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talking about things is not necessarily bad so vpn's can help protect your

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privacy Underground Railroad all like there's there's tons of stuff that being

01:23:46.080 --> 01:23:52.880
black is not inherently bad no I think we can all agree on this now but even

01:23:50.880 --> 01:23:56.840
you know 100 years ago that wasn't a thing so anyway so so whatever your

01:23:55.480 --> 01:24:02.800
reasons be you can you can hide your footsteps you can there there's some things I think it's just with iOS where

01:24:00.199 --> 01:24:06.080
it will actually kind of help save money on your data plan because it does

01:24:04.320 --> 01:24:09.080
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Shield for sponsoring the W show and without further Ado boom they are almost

01:24:35.080 --> 01:24:40.920
all dirty by Anand L shimpy and Brian

01:24:38.639 --> 01:24:45.080
clug so the state of cheating on Android benchmarks so I want to preface this by

01:24:42.600 --> 01:24:52.159
saying cheating on benchmarks Is Not A New Concept no especially on the on the

01:24:47.880 --> 01:24:54.239
PC side we have seen this over and over

01:24:52.159 --> 01:25:01.760
and and over again whether it was 3D Mark 2001 3D Mark 2003 every Graphics

01:24:59.560 --> 01:25:05.199
Company was doing everything they could to have the highest score whether it

01:25:03.320 --> 01:25:08.600
meant oh well if we just like render that with a little bit less Fidelity

01:25:06.760 --> 01:25:13.560
nobody will notice and so they were making specific optim optimizations that

01:25:11.080 --> 01:25:19.520
they were releasing with driver updates to 3D Mark a synthetic Benchmark the new

01:25:16.800 --> 01:25:26.520
driver would drop and it would say 10% Improvement in Far Cry 15% Improvement

01:25:23.000 --> 01:25:28.239
in 3D Mark and you just be like come on

01:25:26.520 --> 01:25:31.000
you guys are really investing in this but the reality of it was especially

01:25:29.679 --> 01:25:35.760
then a lot of people were making purchasing decisions based on synthetics

01:25:33.080 --> 01:25:39.520
yeah I think more than actually more than so leading us to well on the

01:25:37.920 --> 01:25:43.560
Android side I would say a lot of people are making purchasing decisions based on

01:25:41.360 --> 01:25:47.600
synthetics I for PCs oh oh more than than now yeah for PC sure because most

01:25:45.280 --> 01:25:52.880
people just don't care anymore yeah um so they tested a bunch of stuff so the

01:25:49.920 --> 01:25:59.000
pad phone from Aus the HTC1 the One Mini the G2 from LG the Moto Razer and the

01:25:56.040 --> 01:26:03.159
basic conclusion guys is that if you're buying a Nexus device there is no

01:26:01.360 --> 01:26:06.800
cheating going on if you're buying a Motorola device it looks like at least

01:26:05.119 --> 01:26:13.360
the ones they tested no guarantees about the other ones there is no cheating going on if you are buying a Samsung

01:26:09.760 --> 01:26:15.760
device look at that Note 3 there is more

01:26:13.360 --> 01:26:20.920
cheating going on with the Note 3 and the Note 10.1 2014 edition than any

01:26:18.960 --> 01:26:25.719
other device that was tested NVIDIA Shield is not doing any cheating but

01:26:23.199 --> 01:26:31.719
let's let's get into the technical sort of what is cheating exactly because this

01:26:29.639 --> 01:26:35.400
is a bit different this isn't driver tweaks where you're actually rendering

01:26:33.239 --> 01:26:41.400
less of the image or doing whatever else so on the exos 5410 Samsung was

01:26:39.880 --> 01:26:45.719
detecting the presence of certain benchmarks and raising thermal limits

01:26:43.920 --> 01:26:51.199
and thus the max GPU frequency in order to gain an edge on those benchmarks on

01:26:47.920 --> 01:26:53.239
both the Snapdragon 600 and the 5410 on

01:26:51.199 --> 01:26:56.679
the Samsung Galaxy S S4 plat so both of those both Samsung Galaxy S4 platforms

01:26:55.080 --> 01:27:00.800
Samsung was detecting the presence of certain benchmarks and automatically

01:26:58.639 --> 01:27:05.560
driving CPU voltage and frequency to their highest state right away as

01:27:03.320 --> 01:27:09.520
opposed to a gradual ramp up and ramp down and how these benchmarks work is

01:27:07.360 --> 01:27:12.960
they'll go through multiple times and then give you an overall score so it's

01:27:11.360 --> 01:27:16.719
going to change it the the scale at which it changes it if you look at it

01:27:14.480 --> 01:27:24.040
for one run is a little bit but then over time it actually increases Yeah so

01:27:20.679 --> 01:27:25.800
basically they're not not lying to you

01:27:24.040 --> 01:27:30.360
about what your Hardware is capable of doing they're not just you know creating

01:27:28.480 --> 01:27:34.159
uh you know they're not putting like a piece of software on the phone that

01:27:31.960 --> 01:27:37.639
detects The Benchmark closes it automatically puts up a static image

01:27:36.239 --> 01:27:42.239
that makes it look like it's running it and then just spits out a fake score we're not talking something that blatant

01:27:41.040 --> 01:27:46.920
but what they're doing is they are manipulating the numbers to achieve

01:27:44.719 --> 01:27:54.600
unrealistic levels unrealistic levels of performance and maybe it's 3% here or 8%

01:27:51.560 --> 01:27:56.800
there it's not like doubling it just

01:27:54.600 --> 01:28:03.040
just fabricating the numbers completely but it really feels unnecessary and I

01:27:59.679 --> 01:28:04.440
wish that that this wasn't the case but

01:28:03.040 --> 01:28:10.040
it's going to happen it'll keep happening and you know why it'll keep happening because most people don't care

01:28:07.960 --> 01:28:14.320
you folks watching this show you probably already were at least vaguely

01:28:11.800 --> 01:28:20.719
aware of this the people who we would be breaking this news to are not watching

01:28:17.040 --> 01:28:23.800
this show and the people who might be

01:28:20.719 --> 01:28:25.440
shopping for a cell phone probably

01:28:23.800 --> 01:28:31.239
aren't going to listen to you when you start talking about what Benchmark the

01:28:27.719 --> 01:28:33.239
HTC1 wins and which one the Galaxy S4

01:28:31.239 --> 01:28:36.159
wins because they don't care they look at it and they go oh yeah this one's

01:28:34.560 --> 01:28:41.280
really nice and it has a good battery life and but but what they will read

01:28:38.239 --> 01:28:43.119
into is the newscaster who quickly goes

01:28:41.280 --> 01:28:46.679
to some websites finds benchmarks and then goes this is the fastest phone

01:28:44.880 --> 01:28:50.040
there is or this phone is faster than this phone without saying Benchmark

01:28:48.679 --> 01:28:56.480
without saying any of the big words and up till now my understanding is that Samsung has mostly just denied any

01:28:53.760 --> 01:29:03.360
optimizations so unless they're reading The Verge or a onte versus if they're

01:28:59.560 --> 01:29:04.239
watching Fox News um that that tells you

01:29:03.360 --> 01:29:09.400
what kind of information they're going to get and most sites are just going to keep running benchmarks and that's all

01:29:07.199 --> 01:29:12.639
you can do I mean this is very low-level firmware programming that's going on

01:29:10.960 --> 01:29:17.320
here to change things like power states on the fly like this so you can't just

01:29:15.119 --> 01:29:21.000
turn that off and run the Benchmark to get more legit benchmarks so uh one

01:29:19.639 --> 01:29:25.560
thing they did was they renamed the executables oh okay not I guess not

01:29:24.000 --> 01:29:29.800
really the the packages they would rename The Benchmark and then it

01:29:27.239 --> 01:29:35.199
wouldn't detect it in some situations it's going to become another arms race

01:29:32.159 --> 01:29:38.800
where the the the phone manufactur find

01:29:35.199 --> 01:29:40.360
some way to so so there you go and if

01:29:38.800 --> 01:29:44.280
you want to keep your phone up to date you're going to have to keep installing

01:29:42.000 --> 01:29:48.639
you know new ROMs and new new updates and for everyone who's saying oh well I

01:29:46.199 --> 01:29:54.440
just you know I in I rooted my phone I installed Cy good for

01:29:50.920 --> 01:29:57.159
you most people aren't going to do that

01:29:54.440 --> 01:30:00.840
my mom is not going to do that no his mom is not going to do that N I didn't

01:29:59.199 --> 01:30:05.280
even bother on my own phone not because I don't know how to do it because I just

01:30:02.560 --> 01:30:09.800
don't care we jail broke my mom's phone but that was just cuz she needed a few

01:30:07.320 --> 01:30:13.560
more things that's one way of putting it it was like a super old phone she needed

01:30:11.480 --> 01:30:17.040
a few more things it was additional functionality ah okay we we didn't

01:30:15.880 --> 01:30:24.199
actually pirate any apps or anything it was just additional functionality so qualcom claims that Apple 64-bit CPU is

01:30:22.600 --> 01:30:29.280
a marketing gimmick so this was posted by E chondo on the Forum the original

01:30:26.600 --> 01:30:34.639
article is from news. techworld Doc and basically they've come

01:30:32.639 --> 01:30:39.679
out and said look I think they're doing it as a marketing gimmick there's zero

01:30:36.960 --> 01:30:44.639
benefit that the consumer gets from that um the benefit the main benefit of 64bit

01:30:42.760 --> 01:30:50.480
is being able to address more than 4 gigs of memory and Apple has only

01:30:47.159 --> 01:30:53.480
equipped the 5S with 1 gig of RAM which

01:30:50.480 --> 01:30:55.000
means that on the 5S there is no benefit

01:30:53.480 --> 01:30:59.119
but this comes down to the what we were talking about before which was what

01:30:56.880 --> 01:31:03.560
Apple's doing in my mind is preparing the ecosystem for the eventual move and

01:31:02.040 --> 01:31:08.040
Paving the road for a smoother transition so I I think I think the

01:31:05.480 --> 01:31:13.360
64-bit chip may have been interpreted incorrectly but I don't think it was

01:31:10.440 --> 01:31:17.360
complete hogwash and had no per no it didn't help consumers at all I think

01:31:15.199 --> 01:31:22.600
that's complete crap because it's preparing the whole ecosystem for later

01:31:20.360 --> 01:31:26.040
so when they will utilize which will be probably pretty freaking soon to be

01:31:24.119 --> 01:31:29.840
completely honest maybe another year or two kind of thing yeah it it will be

01:31:28.199 --> 01:31:33.400
ready and it won't be a big deal we saw this on the PC side where it was kind of

01:31:31.480 --> 01:31:37.199
terrible and the difference between Apple and Android at that point then

01:31:35.760 --> 01:31:42.760
will be that Apple will be able to launch iOS 7.5 or 8 or whatever they

01:31:40.639 --> 01:31:49.400
want to call it and say backwards compatibility all the way back to 5S

01:31:46.119 --> 01:31:51.440
whereas the compatibility of 64-bit

01:31:49.400 --> 01:31:56.000
Android operating systems and apps will be so broken and so fragmented that no

01:31:54.159 --> 01:32:00.600
one will know what's going on unless you're one of that 0.1% that actually

01:31:58.679 --> 01:32:05.320
gives two cares about it and follows all this stuff daily you'll know but good

01:32:02.800 --> 01:32:09.600
for you because most people won't and when it comes to selling to the general

01:32:07.960 --> 01:32:15.719
consumer you have to do things that appeal to the general consumer and compatibility is a big one so I still

01:32:13.400 --> 01:32:19.280
say like huge thumbs up to Apple 64-bit does not inherently improve the

01:32:16.920 --> 01:32:24.480
performance the A7 chip the A7 chip is fast because the A7 chip is fast not

01:32:22.360 --> 01:32:28.400
because it's 64-bit it just happens to be 64-bit compatible and I think it's

01:32:26.800 --> 01:32:33.280
fantastic that moving forward we're going to we're going to have the market move in that direction yeah I found one

01:32:32.199 --> 01:32:37.800
of the things that he said actually interesting saying uh really how was

01:32:35.520 --> 01:32:42.040
that for you well you have to let me finding one of the things that I said

01:32:39.080 --> 01:32:44.920
interesting I you oh okay I I generally find things you say interesting I'm was

01:32:43.320 --> 01:32:50.600
talking about the guy in the in the thing anyways he he says it will have no

01:32:48.159 --> 01:32:54.880
real benefit other than engineering chip design and operating systems well wow

01:32:52.760 --> 01:32:59.960
that sounds like a pretty compelling like list of benefits what those things

01:32:57.280 --> 01:33:04.639
are really important like what are you talking about I can't find any of those

01:33:01.639 --> 01:33:08.679
three things that is not important yeah

01:33:04.639 --> 01:33:12.199
what so like that quote was just like K

01:33:08.679 --> 01:33:14.679
really like oh man sorry dude but that's

01:33:12.199 --> 01:33:18.600
brutal so let's go ahead and move into our next iPhone piece of news so

01:33:16.440 --> 01:33:23.239
logitech's iPhone game controller pictured again in a new leak this is all

01:33:20.960 --> 01:33:27.760
rumored this isn't by any means release Hardware or anything over here but that

01:33:25.480 --> 01:33:31.400
looks pretty darn cool it looks good and this plays into exactly what you just

01:33:29.679 --> 01:33:35.199
brought up which is where Nintendo might not be a handheld manufacturer Hardware

01:33:33.880 --> 01:33:40.679
manufacturer cuz why would they need to be because stuff like this is going to start coming out and I think stuff even

01:33:38.480 --> 01:33:44.040
though this is awesome I think stuff a lot better than this is going to start

01:33:42.199 --> 01:33:49.199
coming and that's the other thing too is the ridiculous people posting on that

01:33:47.560 --> 01:33:52.199
video saying oh well the touchscreen experience isn't very good good for you

01:33:50.679 --> 01:33:55.040
the touchcreen experience isn't very good it's not it's not what we're

01:33:53.719 --> 01:34:00.119
talking about touch screen experience like always sucks unless you might be valve and you might be changing it yeah

01:33:58.000 --> 01:34:03.159
you might be made of magic yeah but that touchcreen experience that valve is

01:34:01.440 --> 01:34:08.199
going to have I don't tou pad yeah that's not going to come to phones for

01:34:05.639 --> 01:34:11.360
at least a long so you know you look at the direction things are moving where it

01:34:09.600 --> 01:34:15.159
comes to where we've got accessories that turn our phones into consoles we've

01:34:13.080 --> 01:34:20.280
got dedicated devices like Shield that turn that ecosystem into a console oh

01:34:18.080 --> 01:34:24.400
sorry to throw back another thing Shield didn't cheat either yeah Shield didn't I

01:34:22.400 --> 01:34:28.679
did mention that okay okay NVIDIA did not cheat with the tiger 4 and I think

01:34:26.880 --> 01:34:34.400
that really speaks to how much they've grown up in in the last five to eight

01:34:31.679 --> 01:34:39.719
years where they were as guilty as AMD at times like real guilty yeah and now

01:34:38.440 --> 01:34:45.040
here you know no one was really investigating this at the time but they basically said look Tegra 4 kicks ass

01:34:43.600 --> 01:34:50.119
and it's going to kick ass without us making any optimizations for particular

01:34:47.560 --> 01:34:57.480
applications really kudos to you NVIDIA love to see that all right so here's a

01:34:53.400 --> 01:35:01.440
quick discussion topic and that is

01:34:57.480 --> 01:35:03.119
the Zeon versus Core Series processors

01:35:01.440 --> 01:35:10.960
so there's a lot of confusion about this so the Zeon E3 yeah I know I'm in Canada

01:35:05.960 --> 01:35:14.520
I don't care uh the Zeon e oh I hate it

01:35:10.960 --> 01:35:16.520
when it does that to me stop it I know

01:35:14.520 --> 01:35:21.159
I'm in Canada don't redirect me to the homepage I want to actually look at this

01:35:18.760 --> 01:35:25.480
page so what is the difference between a z and a Core Series processor so there's

01:35:23.480 --> 01:35:29.440
a couple of different things first of all right now there happens to be a

01:35:27.719 --> 01:35:34.040
particularly interesting Zeon which I can't remember the model number of for

01:35:31.040 --> 01:35:36.320
Life me right now and uh of course this

01:35:34.040 --> 01:35:42.080
this isn't working because I bet my phone battery just died yeah oh it's one

01:35:39.840 --> 01:35:47.000
thing after another today so it's the E3 something or other it's clocked 100 MHz

01:35:44.239 --> 01:35:51.000
slower than the Core Series equivalent and what's the difference so number one

01:35:49.600 --> 01:35:56.040
is that zons aren't officially supporting by some boards with that said

01:35:53.520 --> 01:35:58.960
I've yet to see a comp an electrically compatible board that doesn't support it

01:35:57.440 --> 01:36:03.040
they they they always work they're just not like officially supported but they

01:36:01.119 --> 01:36:07.080
always work yeah uh number two is there's no integrated GPU so Intel has

01:36:05.320 --> 01:36:10.840
fused it off because they I guess they figure people who want those zons don't

01:36:09.159 --> 01:36:14.280
need integrated Graphics which I think is crazy because that's one of the

01:36:12.719 --> 01:36:18.360
reasons I have against getting one is if I wanted to use it for a server later on

01:36:16.119 --> 01:36:23.920
I'd want it to have integrated Graphics okay base clock overclocking only which

01:36:21.159 --> 01:36:27.159
is is fairly limited um compared to being able to overclock the multiplier

01:36:25.560 --> 01:36:31.679
even on non- unlocked SKS you can overclock the multiplier a fair bit on

01:36:28.920 --> 01:36:35.600
Modern G CPUs and on Haswell since they don't overclock that high you might be

01:36:34.280 --> 01:36:40.280
getting pretty close to the maximum without even getting an unlocked CPU um

01:36:37.840 --> 01:36:44.719
it doesn't need ECC memory but it can use ECC memory unlike the Core Series

01:36:42.560 --> 01:36:48.560
processors um so someone was basically just asking me uh well is there any

01:36:46.800 --> 01:36:51.719
compelling reason why I should get a Core Series processor versus a zeeon if

01:36:50.360 --> 01:36:56.360
it's like 50 bucks cheaper and I was kind of like let me look into this the

01:36:54.960 --> 01:37:00.960
answer seems to be if you don't need the onboard graphics and you don't want to

01:36:58.159 --> 01:37:04.480
overclock not really yeah make sure your board supports it in fact many boards

01:37:02.639 --> 01:37:09.360
even consumer ones do officially support zons yeah yeah just just not all just

01:37:07.400 --> 01:37:13.040
not everyone officially supports Theon that's all um but and like this has

01:37:11.520 --> 01:37:17.639
actually been pretty crazy on the forums lately I don't know if you've noticed that but people have been going nuts

01:37:15.320 --> 01:37:22.239
over these two processors and like yeah if you have no plan on overclocking and

01:37:19.840 --> 01:37:25.560
you have 100% of a plan to always have a video card with that processor all the

01:37:24.239 --> 01:37:30.960
time like you're going to pair them together um then yeah it's fine uh

01:37:28.520 --> 01:37:34.280
personally I like getting processors that have integrated Graphics if I'm

01:37:32.520 --> 01:37:38.600
going to get it on a non like crazy Enthusiast platform so if I'm not going

01:37:35.719 --> 01:37:41.880
to get 2011 I'm probably going to want the option for integrated Graphics

01:37:40.040 --> 01:37:45.360
because at some point in time I might take that system and throw it in a

01:37:43.080 --> 01:37:49.719
server environment who knows I like stuff that uses it I mean things like uh

01:37:47.800 --> 01:37:53.800
things like uh video encoding yeah quick sync um anything that's going to take

01:37:51.880 --> 01:37:57.480
advantage of open CL is going to benefit from the onboard Graphics whether it's

01:37:55.360 --> 01:38:01.280
Intel or AMD although AMD's onboard Graphics are quite a bit more powerful

01:37:59.119 --> 01:38:07.320
yeah um and I can't find a micro USB charging cable which means that our um

01:38:04.880 --> 01:38:10.760
our PowerPoint for build of the week is going to be a bit of a challenge so

01:38:08.280 --> 01:38:16.840
we'll be back in just a moment oh we can do that uh wait where are we right right

01:38:14.000 --> 01:38:21.679
you've got it okay can't see our builds of the week this week are freaking

01:38:19.320 --> 01:38:25.080
awesome so the first one is Arctic water from be negative and there's nothing

01:38:23.280 --> 01:38:30.440
negative about it Holy balls so this was built for someone else

01:38:28.560 --> 01:38:34.080
I think it was on the oc3d forums but like when you're building something for

01:38:32.199 --> 01:38:38.679
someone else that is already on a tech Forum like you kind of know it's going

01:38:36.159 --> 01:38:44.719
to be pretty awesome unbelievable I mean even replacing all of the connectors on

01:38:42.040 --> 01:38:52.360
the PCI Express slots painting the Shroud on the Sabertooth board painting

01:38:48.880 --> 01:38:55.360
memory hard piped copper tubing I mean

01:38:52.360 --> 01:38:57.599
oh it's it's orgic and then once you go

01:38:55.360 --> 01:39:01.840
to the next photo you can actually see even the ring on the Corsair fans

01:38:59.920 --> 01:39:06.520
different accent points on the saber-tooth motherboard like what a

01:39:04.360 --> 01:39:13.599
beautiful machine attention to freaking detail what an absolutely beautiful Ma

01:39:09.239 --> 01:39:15.199
Grill here wow and it's the one system

01:39:13.599 --> 01:39:17.719
I've ever seen where the stock Crossfire break looks like it's not completely out

01:39:16.880 --> 01:39:21.920
of place it's pretty awesome next up this

01:39:20.239 --> 01:39:29.199
one's been in the works for a long time from P Banes the custom water cooled

01:39:25.360 --> 01:39:32.080
desk boom so cool and then one thing

01:39:29.199 --> 01:39:36.679
that I always worry about with these des and actually we talked about this in one

01:39:33.920 --> 01:39:40.679
of my private little not private but my solo live streams a while ago when this

01:39:39.159 --> 01:39:45.400
was in production which we brought this up and everyone instead of me playing a game was just looking at this build

01:39:43.639 --> 01:39:49.760
which is ridiculous but I brought up something that always worries me about these taller desk builds which is like

01:39:48.520 --> 01:39:54.239
where do you put your leg what it means is like the uh the the tallness of the

01:39:51.800 --> 01:39:57.480
height here yeah so it's like where do you put your legs and then how do your

01:39:55.800 --> 01:40:01.480
arms like if it's tall enough your legs are your arms up here and he has a photo

01:39:59.840 --> 01:40:04.480
of it and he actually kind of slots in fairly well okay and then he also

01:40:03.159 --> 01:40:11.679
brought up that he's going to be putting his keyboard and mouse probably on a tray anyways right okay so that totally

01:40:08.360 --> 01:40:14.800
makes sense that's just a wicked build

01:40:11.679 --> 01:40:19.639
look at that sleeving and these I love

01:40:14.800 --> 01:40:23.440
that nice straight runs of of um a vinyl

01:40:19.639 --> 01:40:26.840
tubing or a flex tubing look outstanding

01:40:23.440 --> 01:40:29.360
they look so good oh all them right

01:40:26.840 --> 01:40:32.639
angles and man and he was even super super super careful about the color of

01:40:31.280 --> 01:40:37.920
his coolant too it's crazy that's not the last picture oh oh okay one more

01:40:35.719 --> 01:40:41.360
it's not like a super crazy picture of the insides but I just wanted to show

01:40:39.360 --> 01:40:44.360
how like he actually does kind of fit now it's pretty tight but he did say

01:40:43.000 --> 01:40:49.280
that he's going to he's kind of a bigger guy you can you can tell looking at him

01:40:46.639 --> 01:40:53.199
so some for someone like me my legs would be too low and my arms would be

01:40:51.159 --> 01:40:56.840
here yeah but it seems to kind seems to kind of work for him which is very very

01:40:55.320 --> 01:41:00.560
awesome what a great build yeah seriously abely super stoked to see it

01:40:58.480 --> 01:41:05.840
finished so guys I think that's pretty much it for the W show this week thank

01:41:02.679 --> 01:41:08.040
you so much for tuning in and uh again

01:41:05.840 --> 01:41:11.679
big thanks to our sponsor Hotspot Shield for making this episode possible so

01:41:10.080 --> 01:41:15.360
without further Ado peace out we'll see you again next week

01:41:15.920 --> 01:41:23.679
byebye oh that makes sense that that didn't work so that Network Target yeah

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awesome so did it just crash oh no we're

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here