The WAN Show: Oculus Acquisition Deep Dive, NVIDIA GTX Titan Z, Ripping Personal Backups Now Legal!
Linus Tech Tips
·Linus Tech Tips
·2014-05-07
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22,775 words · ~113 min read
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all right and we're live you guys know what it was this is hilarious it was uh
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Power cycling or not power yeah Power cycling the microphone so um funnily
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enough well not even power cycling the microphone cycling the phantom power
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switch on our mixer for the microphone because actually powering down the
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entire mixer and then powering it back up completely didn't address the issue
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but pressing the button and then pressing it again did for whatever
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freaking reason I can't even begin to Fathom this stuff it's too complicated
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for me cuz I'm stupid don't know anything anyway
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um I'm sure there's an explanation for this that was so depressing I know I'm
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stupid don't know anything but these people are all
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listening to me what does that make them wow what's with okay we need to start
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talk depressing everything's depressing I know I'm whenever the show is laid
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depressed I was talking to him about this offline and I'm like I know you
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guys hate it when the show is late we hate it when the show is late too
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because like I feel personally responsible for all the hours of time
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that are being wasted while people sit and wait for us and that's terrible and
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we went as far as to buy completely new
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sets of all of our equipment so that everything the camera the lens the
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microphone the boom pole the mixer the compressor the computer everything stays
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in this room and we we don't touch it other than to live stream that's how far
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we went to make sure that our show was on time for you guys and yet here we are
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and we still have these issues and I'm really really sorry but enough of that
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let's get this thing started shall we the big news this week is obviously
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Facebook's acquisition of
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oculus oh this is hilarious uh twitch is
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like confirmed W show acquired by Facebook no not so much our setup would
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have probably worked if we had that much money and you know what that's one of
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the positive things to take away from this whole thing we're going to get into it in more depth later but we do have
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some other initial topics here that I just want to sort of throw at you guys
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that we will be talking about so NVIDIA had a call earlier this week where they
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talked about their plans with respect to directex 12 and how that figures into
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their overall strategy you know what's funny is I don't think NVIDIA ever
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actually outright said we are not going to support men no matter how open it is
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in fact I think they still haven't said that but
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no they also pushed a big update for NVIDIA SHIELD this week which is a huge
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deal allows things like off off-site game stream uh so we'll get into more
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details on that later but like three good luck scrolling through the document
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yeah four five pages of our document are all Oculus this week so it's going to be
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kind of a big deal NVIDIA also launched the Titan Z Bitcoins are now considered
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property and without further Ado let's get this intro done so we can get this
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show on the
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easily all right so let's get into our first topic here let's just do something
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before like the train wreck of the let's
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do one topic I don't even think so you don't even think so you want to get okay
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let's do this thing I honestly just think we jump right into okay so I the
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role of lus over the next um 45 minutes
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or so will be played by um I'm going to
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go get Jeff so you you go ahead and get started you have input on this do I you
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talked to me a little bit Jeff has input too okay and I'm not letting you make
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Jeff's voice not heard I did murder him earlier no literally n okay well as all
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of you know at this point I'm sure and if you don't how what I no um so Oculus
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was acquired by Facebook for $400 million cash and what equated to a total
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with that cash of $2 billion in cash and stock auctions so they got2 billion kind
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of because a lot of it Facebook stock which went down a lot recently resulting
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in about a negative $112 million change
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on that deal although everyone suspects that Facebook stock is just going to
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bounce back so it probably actually won't matter in the end and they're not
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exactly selling all this stock immediately anyways because they're
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probably going to have to sell it over time and then blah blah blah blah blah
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so there's tons of speculation around that so whatever it was $2 billion deal
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we'll figure out how much that equates to in the end and I'm sure by that time no one will really care anyways there's
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a bunch of negative and positive um angles you can take on this I'm going to
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go through the negative ones first at least these are angles that I've seen
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people take already there's obviously some that'll pop up later on that we haven't talked about yet but the
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negative angles the main ones I've seen is people on the internet don't trust
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Acquisitions generally whenever there's an acquisition people on the internet
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just hate it all right moving on they
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said they weren't interested in being acquired before there's actually quite a few quotes of them saying Oh we won't
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have to be acquired by some big company and that's a good thing blah blah blah blah blah and now they're acquired by a
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huge company so that's interesting I guess guess moving on being acquired due
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to Kickstarter success feels like betrayal Notch actually echoed this by
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saying that he didn't donate $10,000 just as a seed fund so they
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could be acquired by a huge company that's not an exact quote but it's
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something along those lines we'll get more into that later the internet kind
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of as a glommed whole obviously not the
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entire thing but just generally the voice of the internet dislikes Facebook
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so this the vocal the vocal minority cuz
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I mean if you look at you look at Facebook's user base it's huge obviously
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the whole internet doesn't refuse to use Facebook what a lot of people see as the
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internet the popular opinion voice of
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the internet folk yeah not necessarily the action but the voice of the internet
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yeah um Facebook is deemed as creepy by
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people like Notch again we'll get into Notch's comments on this later um people
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wanted Oculus to stick with its home brew roots and signing up with Facebook
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is not exactly sticking with Homebrew Roots um why didn't some other company
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buy them and there's been a whole bunch of things like like valve and all these
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other things which may or may not make any sense at all but we'll get into that
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later again um really it's worth
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WhatsApp is worth 10 times as much as Oculus almost we'll get into that later
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um and all the comments of oh my God Farmville 3D and Facebook pop-ups all
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over your face and all that kind of stuff again we'll get into that later
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now there's the positive angles that I've seen a lot of people take um it
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will drive some new immersive experiences that are going to be very
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deep you're gonna be able to go and hopefully travel different places experience different things shop online
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virtually hopefully be able to see sizing and stuff like that because your avatar will be the right size blah blah
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blah blah blah tons of new experiences that you weren't expecting before
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whether not you think that's a good thing this is a positive angle um The
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increased funding is allowing them to hire more Talent uh like Michael abrash which
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we'll talk about later that's amazing actually that's incredibly awesome um
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they we're already being controlled by investors is another big one
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um actually pretty deeply rooted one that we're going to get into later that
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I have a ton of theories about and some really interesting quotes uh that we've
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seen over the past month or two which really hint to this but we'll talk about
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that later again um they didn't get purchased by another gaming hardware
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company that would have been a disaster in my mind I mean if they' been bought
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by I've actually seen people suggest that Sony or Microsoft would have been a
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better option terrible have been disastrous I mean you look at how closed
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Xbox and Playstation are as E Systems
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and even even like the Oculus Community which is generally right now makers
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hackers hardcores all that kind of stuff have been talking but like there there's
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the there's there's there's the Tuscany demo you can go to a small version of
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Tuscany and enjoy that environment something that I've talked about on the stream before was how I hoped that
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someone would go and recreate something like Rome and make it so that someone
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even if they're in an old folks home could travel the world and experience these things this is very cool and you
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don't want to get locked into a gaming Hardware Niche and have none of that ever be possible right now Oculus is
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open of course gaming is going to drive it but hopefully it opens up so again
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these are all positive angles um they can now afford custom Hardware they've
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been scraping off what they can kind of manage to get from the mobile market
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like mobile phones and now they'll actually be able to make Hardware that
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is designed and built and manufactured for the rift instead of like something
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that was made for something else and they're just kind of hacking it and forcing it in there and making it work
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because I mean and this is something that with sort of the whole negative thing um where the the makers and
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hackers don't really feel that great about Oculus not staying true to the
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home brew Roots but those guys also want
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a fantastic VR experience and purpose made Hardware is
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going to be a big way to get there yeah
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all right so are we going through the history now or one one more
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uh oh crap where did it go I can't remember where it is doesn't
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matter I'll get into it later um so how I designed this document and how I think
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we're going to go through this is actually like kind of the progression of
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thought of kind of a lot of people and
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how people found out different news and part of maybe the reason why it started
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off as a massive explosion not that it isn't still a massive explosion you can
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make your own decision on whether or not it's positive or negative and we'll get
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into that kind of stuff later but we're just going to go through how things
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happened and why things happened and uh the reason we're going to do that I mean
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I've seen a few comments in twitch chat from people saying oh I'm not that
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interested in Oculus uh okay two things number one yes you are you just don't
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know it yet and number two Oculus is
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well basically the same as number one Oculus and VR in general is extremely
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important and this is a turning point in
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not just gaming and not just Oculus but
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in VR and in that's going to mean for
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the future so that's why we are dedicating almost an entire show to it
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you guys can stay tuned in and this is going to be a really great show um Luke
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in particular has worked extremely hard
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on making sure that we're bringing you guys some really good coverage of what
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happened this week um so you can stay tuned in and you can enjoy that or if
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you don't think this is important legitimately don't think this is important then I mean you can probably
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tune back in in about 45 minutes or an hour and we'll get into some of the NVIDIA stuff and some of the other stuff
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this week but this is such a big deal right now and in the future another
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thing that I wanted to bring up the the thing I forgot to bring up on the positive angles thing which is actually
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not on the dock which is probably why you started talking is uh even if you
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are done with oculus it doesn't matter
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VR is now going to happen because there's been this big of an investment
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other investment firms are going to look into other companies and start pouring a
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lot more money into VR because Facebook is huge and they are a competitor a
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natural competitor of many things so VR is now going to happen there's a lot lot
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of people have been going like oh Oculus is dead now whether or not they're dead
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doesn't matter even if they're the sacrificial lamb it's going to happen
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now VR is we made it when one company
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Dives in and invests a couple billion then everyone else kind of goes oh this
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matters so so whether Facebook thinks it's important so all of a sudden VR
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companies are going to be acquired by big guys and they're going to get
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investment funding and all the funding and it's going to happen and it's going
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to be really great whether it's the kind of great we envisioned or not whether or
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not you think Oculus is now the sacrificial L that's going to die or if
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you think they're just going to be the biggest thing on the planet doesn't matter it's happening which is which is
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a good thing so it started off with the posts by uh Mark Zuckerberg and Palmer
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lucky on Palmer posting on Reddit and on
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the blog for Oculus and Mark posting on
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Facebook can you um can you make sure that okay I'm going to try and keep up
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with you and post and stuff since I won't have a whole ton to say um at the
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start it should be fairly easy it's starting off fairly slow especially because I'm I'm mainly going over the
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future VR red post so I'm going to stay there for a while and then it might get
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a little bit so I'm going to go ahead and drop this in there yeah so I'm going to start off with some very notable
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things that were said in Palmer's post on Reddit um he said we we've reached
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we've received orders of over 75,000 development kits from game developers
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content creators and artists around the world there's and I'm going to comment
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on each thing that I've read in here and then go into other comments later on one
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big thing that people were attacking him over on this was a lot of people that
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went into this aren't game developers content creators and artists I'm not a
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game developer content creator or an artist of course you're not particularly
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talented at all are you no I think you're great that was so
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me anyways I dabbled in making some
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stuff in unity and it was fun to be completely honest but I didn't make anything that was worth releasing I'm
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not a I'm not a game designer I'm I've I've dabbled in programming but I'm not
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that amazing um and I know everyone I
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know that's bought one isn't any of these things they're interested in the
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company so people were worried that he was abusing that number to try and get
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investment feeds and before cancelling because they're trying to vote with their wallet whatever we'll get more
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into that later um another quote from there was
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when Facebook first approached us about partnering I was skeptical a lot of
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people were like you probably should have kept that angle um we'll get more into that later
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and why he ended up doing it all that kind of stuff um Facebook is run in an
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open way that is aligned with oculus is culture a lot of people respond in
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saying how is Facebook aligned in an with oculus at all in an open way blah
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blah blah blah blah but there is reasons for and against that they have pushed
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for a lot of open development people are saying oh no they haven't they actually
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have they've invested quite a bit of money in open development some of their stuff is proprietary and closed but not
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everything they do push for some open stuff they've talked a lot about even
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things like the architecture that they use to make Facebook so responsive with
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such a with s the heavy load that it has um open about a lot they are pushing
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connectivity forward in some ways and I don't want this to feel like I'm some
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kind of a Facebook Fanboy I'm not but I
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didn't even have it until I needed to be able to admin the L sector's Facebook
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page yeah I know right so like yeah I don't know we're yeah it's just that's
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just a fact they haven't been completely against openness uh no matter how you
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want to see it uh it means Oculus Rift with oculus rift with fewer Oculus Rift
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will be able to come out with fewer compromis and faster which is that's
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just probably true there's tons more money yeah they can pay more for
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manufacturing they can push things through faster um Oculus is somewhat
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unpredictable future just became Crystal Clear virtual real reality is coming and
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it's going to change the way we View and play games forever that was slightly
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edited but it's essentially what we were talking about earlier VR is happening
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now yeah no matter what um another quote from him I'm obsessed with VR I spend
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every day pushing further and every night dreaming of where we're going uh
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even in my wildest dreams I never imagine we come so far so fast I'm a
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proud member of this community thank you all for carrying virtual reality and
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gaming forward and trusting us to deliver we won't let you down so he said
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all that but the reality of it is is he can't say anything else so we're not
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sure what to read into this I think at
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the at the end of the day if you trust Palmer and you trust the Oculus team
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it's not like they can just bail and start again because Oculus the company
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owns so many patents now that they in
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all likelihood wouldn't even be able to
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start up again and go back up against their old company I'm sure there's some
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type of non-compete agreements and stuff too but there's there there is things in
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here people were wondering like oh are those uh Notch actually specifically I'm
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going to jump down right here so let's clarify who Notch is Minecraft DE
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Minecraft creator Notch uh actually replied on this exact Reddit thread
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saying you got my respect before I met you you kept it when I met you blah blah blah blah blah blah blah I'm going to
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jump forward a little bit um where I
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just hope you got your fair share VR will live on thank you for being part of
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making it finally happen but I really wish this hadn't happened the main part
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I was trying to say is I understand you're probably under a big NDA and
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stuck in golden handcuffs um which which is interesting
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but you also have to realize that you've got Palmer and which is interesting a
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lot of people started to trust palmer but you have John karmac mhm John carmac
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isn't just going to shut up and code
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because someone's slapping dollar bills at him yeah that's not going to happen
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so if if this does start getting forced in a bad direction if I were you guys
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paying attention I would listen to John carac honestly personally I'm going to listen to Palmer too but he is a lot
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newer to the scene than John freaking karmac John karmac says whatever he
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wants as far as I can tell and as far as anyone can probably tell I'm going to go
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ahead and so if you if you really want to get some feedback uh karmac actually
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posted on Twitter about 3 days ago he basically said look the volume of tweets
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right now is way too high can't even begin to look at it all but if you hit
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me in a few days or like once the poop storm starts to die down a little bit
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then he does want to engage he does want to engage he does want to talk about it
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um when I initially saw that it was radio Silence from carac for the first
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couple of days after the acquisition that set off some warning Bells maybe
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he's unhappy but it looks now as if he
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was just weathering the storm he he actually he said I'm currently coding he
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was essentially being like guys I'm working well that's a blog post from uh
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from when that was from yesterday or the day before right yeah I'm currently coding that was pretty early on actually
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so he's like yeah I'm still coding just the same as I was this time last week so
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for all intents and purposes nothing has changed and that was echoing the idea
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that the Facebook acquisition hadn't changed anything anyways moving on um
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people were asking when they saw notch in the comments they were asking him a whole bunch of questions and they were
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basically saying please tell me it's going to be all right Notch replied with
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a lot of companies are working on V now this means competition this means better
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VR and higher chances of a mass Market acceptance this means even better VR
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it's going to be all right very small italicize print maybe so that Echoes
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again the thing that we said earlier where no matter what you think about this it's pushing VR forward whether or
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not Oculus is what carries the torch in the end they're carrying it right now um
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people are saying to Palmer you are the chosen one you were supposed to destroy
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the Sith not join them bring balance to the voice not leave it in darkness um I
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just had to to keep that in there because it was kind of funny now echoing
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one of the most highly upvoted posts on the thread these were a bunch of the
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concerns Facebook is known for its intrusive tracking of users Facebook is
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undoubtedly a massive company it is beginning to lose a lot of its teenage
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population due to more widespread use of the older population and the fact that
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Oculus has been acquired by Facebook Palmer has repeatedly said um part
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partnership or partnering um but they were acquired so he was worried about
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that terminology where it might just be kind of a hay and Palmer thinks they're
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partnering up but really Facebook is the one on top so those were the the the
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main things spoken there um about the
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Facebook is known for intrusive tracking of users uh as far as I can tell if the
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if the lead people of oculus still have anything to say about it that platform is going to be really open and you'll
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probably know about it so that might be a bad thing but again Oculus is carrying
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the torch now so if later on down the line you see an update like the update
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we saw on uh mobile says like Facebook is now reading all of your text messages
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despite having nothing to do with those um you should know about it so just pay
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a lot of attention and then I mean Facebook's whole thing I don't see anything in your notes here but
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Facebook's whole thing has been we're we want Oculus to operate pretty basically
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independently um just like what we did with Instagram and WhatsApp but my
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counter to that is I mean you look at Mark Zuckerberg's blog post where he
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talks about the future of connectivity and how EXC cting these experiences we
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can deliver you know whether it's travel or whether it's having a face to- face
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meeting with someone or or whatever it happens to be when he talks about that
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we're talking like a 10year 20 year outlook and they acquired Instagram like
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two years ago and they acquired WhatsApp
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like so this is not a track record of
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acquiring companies and letting them operate independently this is this is in
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the last like little tiny amount of time
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like since lonus Media Group was formed
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they haven't really disrupted things with their two big Acquisitions so the
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fact that all this is being said now uh
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I mean you look at how quickly politicians can turn around and have a campaign and then go back on that and
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still get elected four years later the collective memory of people is so short
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that even if Facebook does exert complete control over Oculus in let's
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let's use four years as an example because that's the elected term in the
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US and Canada for politicians so even if
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Facebook does in 4 years exert complete
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control and four years after that plaster the whole platform with ads and
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use it as a way to collect data on where you go what you look at and all of this
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great stuff probably no one will ever even remember this happened and except
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you except for me um now we get into the
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poop storm that that was the start of it and that was people honestly in that
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Reddit thread I found it to be more calm than elsewhere which was kind of
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confusing things started popping up people started digging up things on both
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Facebook and Oculus first want that one first first thing yeah there's a really
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bad word in it um first thing that comes to mind is a very old screenshot from a
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conversation that um Mark Zuckerberg had when he said um yeah so if you ever need
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any info on about anyone at Harvard just ask I have over 4,000 emails pictures
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addresses SNS Etc and then the guy said
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how do you manage that he said people just submitted it I don't know why they
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trust me dumb well yeah we don't say
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that word on this show but you guys can read it's right there yeah um so like
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that's not cool especially because of speculation that VR devices are going to
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get things like eye tracking the fact that this thing is strapped to your
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freaking face so if you're looking at a certain product or something like that
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they know it's not just like in another tab you are looking at it with your face
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and I'm not blaming AMD for this but they're true audio technology so the
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programmable DSP that like it's it's like a really powerful sound processor
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they showed off some really cool demos with respect to voice recognition so all
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of a sudden now hold on a second because
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we went from you know um not being too
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worried about people really tapping into anything that we're doing to all of a
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sudden is face to-face conversation
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going to be the only way to actually not have anyone listening and are we going
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to allow ourselves to be convinced that aside from phone taps and messaging Taps
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um when you have a VR conversation with someone like uh I mean you look at the
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kinds of things the kinds of experiences that VR could bring us do you want
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Facebook listening to everything you say when you have a family reunion and
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everyone's vring in because what a cool
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experience but they'll be able to recognize everything you say and use
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that information Facebook wants to own your information and what
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this and Zuckerberg said a really stupid
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thing in a text Mage and it's old and it's old and he was stupid and he was
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young and I'm sure he would be the first to admit that that was a super stupid
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thing to say and he would take it back 100% today if he could but it still
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happened but it did happen
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um so you guys can read into that whatever you want but I do believe that
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while people don't change much I think
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they can grow up and I hope that that was just a young college guy having a
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and I think that's when was only tied into Harvard and like a lot of things
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have changed since then another thing that people are worried about with the Facebook thing is again all of your data
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blah blah blah blah blah and I know in one of kac's tweets he said like if you
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guys blog or whatever about this I'm going to pay attention so and he said
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like things that you're worried about and ways that it can be fixed and stuff like that so if you do have to be
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listening that's really cool hi also um like creepiness Factor try to control
25:33
the creepiness Factor make sure it's open make sure people know what's going on because I think that's honestly the
25:37
biggest reason why people are scared of Facebook is just the fact that Facebook
25:40
can be really creepy um so that's probably the biggest thing I'd say um
25:45
the camera that is now on Oculus people
25:49
we don't really have it yet so we don't know if it's actually taking images or if it's only scanning for IR LEDs but
25:54
who knows what'll happen in the future maybe there's an actual camera fixed on
25:57
that thing um that's and you know what's scary is I
26:01
would opt in for the camera model for sure I I already yeah yeah like okay
26:05
even if told DK even if even if it was an option if someone was like look we
26:10
can put an IR tracker one only and you can put IR you know kits around in your
26:15
room or whatever else or we can give you one with a camera you get like a
26:19
skeleton frame yeah no I know and like that's I would take the camera one even
26:23
if I knew that they were looking at what I was looking at because of it's going to be such a great experience I
26:28
are going to do that so like I said what we're worried about is the creepiness
26:31
Factor so just try and keep that under control and all right what's our next
26:34
one our next one is Oculus is not connected with Facebook this is just
26:39
kind of funny it's just kind of fun won't spend much time on this one taking a break from the hate so with during the
26:43
and now actually which is kind of hilarious this was taken earlier today
26:47
it's not like a yeah I do yeah I've seen
26:51
people screenshot that that's my screenshot though cuz I couldn't find it at the time but Oculus had not connected
26:55
with Facebook during the campaign and they still haven't on Kickstarter at least which is just kind of hilarious
26:59
John karmac may or may not even have a Facebook account there's a Facebook
27:03
account for John carac up right now but it looks like super public figure
27:07
Facebook account and like the title is Godfather of moving 3D images or
27:12
something like that I doubt that he put that in there doesn't seem like his
27:15
style no and it's not like verified or anything he did tweet that he'll
27:18
probably have to get a Facebook account now but I don't think he's rushing to do
27:21
it he's probably busy coding cuz he's kind of Awesome with that um anyways
27:25
moving on to the thing that had me super pissed off off at the beginning the
27:29
reason why I thought the entire thing was just ruined and why I basically
27:32
cried over Twitter for a little while and the reason that a lot of people felt
27:36
this way this New York Times post was brutal and honestly where I think most
27:41
of the hate came from um just jumping into saying what's exactly in the
27:45
article according to a person a person involved with the deal who was not
27:50
allowed to speak publicly because he was not authorized by either company
27:54
Facebook eventually plans to redesign the Oculus hardware and Rebrand with a
27:58
Facebook interface and Logo which didn't even make any sense really like what
28:03
does that even mean but that's why that's one of the reasons why I was so
28:07
mad right because the whole deal didn't make sense on the surface social network
28:11
acquiring VR Gaming company and then it's like rebranding and calling what
28:15
the heck yeah like what what is this exactly since then Facebook has made
28:20
their intentions much more clear and this was was
28:25
wholeheartedly denied like it was hammered down but it sat there for a
28:29
while and let a lot of people stew and it was it was scary and I love how it's
28:34
like a small part of that article too and it's not like a like a you know how
28:38
they pop it out and make it big and make it a different color and all that kind of stuff like The Verge does uh they
28:42
didn't do that with it or anything like it's it's it's kind of at the bottom but
28:45
it's like the most important thing in the entire article um but yeah that's
28:49
been shut down pretty quick so no longer
28:52
worry about that um and then other
28:55
things start coming out like the people are saying it's an internal call um I've
28:59
heard a lot of news that it actually wasn't an internal call it was quite
29:03
public but I have no idea which is true either way I don't care it was as far as
29:08
I know an investor call for Oculus and Facebook and there's some QA and Mark
29:12
Zuckerberg's on the call and it's fairly interesting but almost all the way
29:16
through the call there's the part that most people actually listen to I ended
29:19
up listening to the whole thing but this is the part that people really cared
29:22
about it's really long I don't know if I'll actually read through the whole
29:25
thing how about I read it I'm fast go all right so he says so this is from
29:30
Zuckerberg he says in terms of our business model we're clearly not a hardware company we're not going to try
29:35
and make a profit off the device itself in the long term and we see this as a
29:39
software and services thing where if we can make it so that this becomes a
29:42
network so that people can be communicating and buying things like
29:45
virtual Goods uh there might be adverts in the world but we need to figure that
29:49
out down the line so that's probably where the business will come from but for the foreseeable future the main goal
29:54
that we have is building out the product using the different levers that Facebook
29:58
has to make the technology affordable and to make it ubiquitous and to use the
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different technologies that Facebook has developed to bring it to Market as soon as
30:06
possible so there you go that's the plan
30:09
whether that makes it any less scary to you or not for me it doesn't at all um
30:13
clearly the plan is investing in the platform and making it successful so
30:17
that's the priority and they will figure out the monetization later so it's the
30:20
whole internet company startup model except this time being applied to an
30:25
actual piece of Hardware because that piece of hardware is so directly tied
30:29
into the software experience they can't exist without each other now this I
30:34
cover that okay yeah this scared and didn't scare a lot of people for
30:38
multiple reasons um it scared people because it was an internal call the
30:41
second that came out everyone freaked out whether or not that's even true I
30:45
don't know um people only heard the advertisement part and freaked out one
30:49
thing you have to remember that this is an investment call this isn't this
30:52
wasn't a this wasn't the public post on Facebook this was an investment call he
30:56
Zuckerberg can't just be like well yeah I want to play VR games so I bought this
31:00
company so that I can like make this thing even better I mean I don't think
31:03
that's it although it'd be super cool if he was like if you read his Facebook
31:07
posts it's the most like oh my God I love this thing post that I've seen of
31:12
anyone ever so who knows there may even
31:16
be a little bit of that and we can hope for that because if he's truly
31:19
passionate about the technology then I
31:23
kind of go okay maybe it'll be okay but then
31:27
probably not because in the future he'll still have to bend to the the needs of
31:31
his investors and monetize the heck out of the platform but then by the time
31:35
that happens you're talking years in the future something else will be there as
31:39
well yep it like doesn't matter there will be a competitor for Rift so we have
31:44
to hope that they build up the Technology Drive everything further make
31:47
this stuff um because make it profitable for developers to develop for VR
31:52
definitely and then hopefully competitors will jump in The Fray because even if you're still a huge fan
31:56
of oculus it doesn't matter competitors are good competition is always good it
32:00
drives Innovation competition is good so anyways okay moving on there's some
32:04
other weird stuff this is this is actually largely stuff that I haven't
32:08
seen around a ton but things that I've noticed over the last little while so
32:11
starting off with oculus dropping out of the immersive technology Alliance kind
32:16
of awkwardly dropping out of the immersive technology Alliance so super
32:20
awkward yeah um the immersive technology Alliance is a nonprofit games Collective
32:24
that is focused on bringing stuff like augmented reality virtual reality 3D and
32:28
Chester control technology to the masses um it's it's an alliance there's tons of
32:32
these things there's the DVD Alliance there's there there's tons of them
32:36
um basically any standard whether it's like USB or DisplayPort is going to
32:41
have some kind of group of individuals or companies or investors or entities
32:46
that manage the standard and drive it Forward because if they don't things get
32:51
kind of insane usually so it's like the
32:54
high-profile virtual reality company Oculus Rift recently dropped over the
32:58
this Alliance but Oculus claims they were never a part of it yet the ITA guys
33:03
are saying they were a big part of it and actually helped them move from what
33:07
they previously known as which was S3 DGA to the newly named ITA and Oculus
33:12
actually had them like remove their branding from their website and everything and basically just dropped
33:17
the ball moved back as far as they possibly could and say I was never
33:20
playing which is interesting and this is not the newest news um this was from a
33:26
little while ago I think I actually shortly mentioned it on the show but
33:29
because I didn't really know what it meant at the time I didn't make it a huge topic um it's it's just weird and
33:35
the timing's a little bit off so they basically ITA is saying that they got
33:40
their first official notification that Oculus was leaving the alliance late in
33:44
the evening on March 15th yeah so this was like pretty pretty close to when the
33:49
deal happened and it's just this article is super super weird it's on polygon.com
33:55
I don't think I there's not a lot of comments on it and no one's commented on
33:58
it since like the 18th right so it's
34:01
yeah it's I don't know I just find that's interesting because they got
34:05
acquired by Facebook and then they locked off from the alliance that's
34:08
trying to make some sort of standard so that's interesting then if you click on
34:13
the thread so this is where everything kind of started um this is
34:18
MTB mtbs 3d.com I I always screw that up
34:23
U which is where Palmer is a huge member of this forum and this is where the the
34:27
Epic like massive three
34:30
4,235 post thread started and this is yeah this is just a big deal and if you
34:34
contr f for uh where is it sell out to a
34:38
large company you can see a big thread where
34:43
he answers a whole bunch of questions and right in the middle of it he says um
34:46
Oculus is going forward in a big way but in a way that still lets me focus on the
34:50
Community First and not sell out to a large company a lot of people were very
34:54
upset about this comment because
34:57
Community First not sell out to a large company so now people are saying are you
35:01
no longer Community First because you sold out to a large company um the
35:05
problems with this are if you jump into the next one the big $75 million
35:10
investment that happened um not way too
35:13
long ago the guy that did that works for Facebook actually if you check out the
35:17
board of directors which I also have linked here this is where I was telling you you're going to get into rapid fire
35:21
all I got this uh if you check out the board of directors you can see him there
35:25
Mark Andre I believe um you can see him
35:28
on the board of directors for Facebook and he was a huge investment pool right
35:32
there and then quotes that have been fairly recently coming out of Palmer
35:36
saying Oculus has already sold out by raising Venture Capital money because
35:41
they had these investors that were able to control them a little bit and Palmer
35:45
said that a lot they already sold out and then they were acquired by Facebook
35:49
the same company that their big 75 million dollar investor is on the board
35:53
of directors for which is really interesting and it also even seems like
35:58
he was trying to tell us valve knew something on February 28th this is a
36:03
quote from an article where a guy from valve went to visit Oculus he said the
36:07
demo stuck me in a simple room whose walls were textured with financial data
36:11
for Facebook from some website an odd Choice yeah there's a little Red Cube
36:17
bouncing around the room and the desire to avoid it was extremely strong a
36:20
dodgeball SL laser field game immediately popped into my mind but as I
36:24
mentioned before a tether really hurts this type of idea the part that I really
36:28
paid attention to when reading this and this was actually brought to my attention I didn't notice this was the
36:32
the financial data for Facebook from some website just being plastered all
36:36
over the walls on February 28th it's interesting in combination with him
36:40
saying that they were already sold out by raising venture capital and then
36:43
having that just kind of randomly leaked out there it's really weird to just do
36:47
that anyways um these are all the like random
36:51
crap that I found over the last little while uh another tell he's a little into
36:55
this hey I didn't really sleep much this week another thing that happened was uh
36:59
if if you go to the corporate Reddit attack or framing link have there um was
37:04
was weird ditto posts all over
37:08
technology and gaming this was again this is not a screenshot by me this is
37:11
just something I found that someone else brought up um but you don't really know
37:15
what angle to go with this because why
37:19
we should explain what this is okay okay just so in case you guys so basically
37:23
defending the deal like right after it happened there were these what appear to
37:28
be shill accounts popping up on Reddit posting like copy paste responses or
37:34
very similar responses to people hating on it okay kind of all over the place
37:38
and a lot of times they very new accounts and stuff like that but it's
37:42
that doesn't really make a lot of sense for the direction and angle that um
37:46
anyone at Oculus was taking or anyone at Facebook was taking to be completely
37:50
honest so we don't know whether or not this was it could have just as easily
37:53
been someone trying to frame them destroy um any sort of positive
37:59
sentiment that might have existed by pretending to be someone trying to
38:03
defend what was going on in the most obvious horrible guerilla marketing way
38:08
so this is interesting we don't know
38:12
what side of the field it even plays on or did a whole bunch of people just happen to decide to copy and paste each
38:16
other for karma that might have been it um so who knows not sure looks fishy
38:22
don't know which side of it it's on it's just something interesting that we
38:25
noticed um then things started popping
38:28
up this is again going through somewhat of a timeline um then started things
38:32
things started popping up of basically every Kickstarter I've ever heard of um
38:37
especially the ones that I've been a part of because I've now seen updates by a few of them being like whoa whoa whoa
38:41
we're not selling to Facebook even like some super random stuff that has nothing
38:46
to do with anything being like whoa guys it's cool so people were begging Chris
38:51
Roberts not to sell the Facebook which I found hilarious that was the main one I
38:55
wanted to show because we're we're fairly into into Star Citizen so I
38:58
wanted to bring that one up but there's been stuff for tons of different kickstarters not just Star Citizen
39:02
there's even I forgot to put it in here there's even a Kickstarter running right now that has a stretch goal of $2
39:08
billion that's like we'll try to buy Oculus from Facebook which is hilarious
39:13
um someone was joking saying that there should be a$2 billion do stretch goal
39:17
for cig saying that um it's preventing
39:21
Facebook from buying cig a lot of people were joking but there was actually some
39:25
legitimate fear in there and has started an interesting question on uh
39:30
kickstarters for technology a lot of people feel like they're heavily
39:33
invested in something when they Kickstart it and feel like they should
39:38
they're kind of a part of the company but you're not yeah you're donating and
39:42
then you're getting something back for donating but you're not getting a part of the company back for donating and
39:47
while it feels like that and the kick the the culture around Kickstarter is
39:51
really heavily around like community community and you're a part of this and
39:54
this is this is you you made this happen blah blah blah blah blah
39:57
really you might have made it happen but it doesn't matter you're not actually a
40:01
part of that company you're not an investor and if you look at the kickstarter they promised you a dev kit
40:06
one Shi you a dev kit one or whatever other tier you were on or whatever tier
40:10
you were on so any obligation that Oculus had to you is over and no matter
40:16
how depressing that seems because honestly when I Kickstart a lot of things I'm kickstarting it not
40:20
necessarily just because of what I get back from what I'm donating at a lot of
40:24
games especially month or two after the release for a lot
40:29
of these indie games are way cheaper than my Kickstarter price I'm kickstarting them because I want it to
40:32
happen yeah um but that doesn't mean that I have an investment in the company
40:36
so then I mean maybe you're maybe you're happy about the Facebook thing because
40:39
now it's going to happen even more and better supposedly I don't think there's
40:42
too many of those think but that's that's possible um another fairly
40:46
noteworthy rant to bring up this was a one that was fairly early on this was on
40:51
uh Reddit again a lot of this happened on Reddit um people just pointing out
40:55
that holy crap John karmac is a Facebook employee now
40:59
um go figure hey it's it's just weird to
41:03
think about like I don't even know what to say like hurts my brain it's just like wait what what anyways but he's not
41:09
he is but he's not like he's he's working for Oculus I don't know whatever
41:13
um people posting Facebook is an advertising company they sell data so
41:17
that they're paying customers the advertisers can Target their marketing
41:21
um and it wouldn't surprise it wouldn't surprise anyone if in a couple years you
41:25
won't be able to use it without supplying dat to Facebook wittingly or
41:28
not eye tracking interest this part is me eye tracking what you're interested
41:32
in and it's really easy to know if you're paying attention or looking at something when it's strapped to your
41:36
face can you imagine how effectively you
41:39
can sell ad Impressions or like how much
41:42
more effectively uh graphic designers
41:45
could design their ads to make it so that you look at them and all the kind
41:50
of subconscious crap that goes on that people don't even think about I mean
41:54
when you go shopping at a store you ever notice there's like a double door in
41:58
like every store that is a psychological
42:02
thing there's there's this there's this buffer zone between yeah it's called the
42:06
decompression Zone not shopping and shopping that they have created very
42:10
intentionally you know what's funny is when I was a kid I always thought that
42:14
it was like to keep the heat in or out I
42:18
think that's what they say yeah but it's it's known to be a decompression
42:21
something there's other things too A lot of the tile in the middle of malls is shiny and then the tile in the stores is
42:26
not shiny where it's carpet or like that it often it's really Shin faster and
42:30
settle somewhere it's usually shiny in the middle of the mall and not super shiny in a store blah blah blah blah
42:34
blah it's very Bland smells that that they that they'll run through stores I
42:39
mean all these things are designed to make you buy without even knowing why
42:43
you're doing it and uh eye tracking is
42:47
going to be a real good way to make that even more effective um that being said
42:52
it is there's there's a bunch of posts in Palmer's personal Reddit account that
42:57
talks about this type of stuff and we'll be getting into that later again we're
43:01
going through in Fairly linear lines keep going keep going they know we're
43:04
getting into that later it's okay um so the community is mad about the change of
43:08
pace this was a fairly interesting one because messages that came from karmac
43:12
the CTO of oculus VR and a a very
43:16
important dude saying stuff like for a certain segment of the population the
43:20
hacker slaker crowd this is going to be awesomely cool to work with that was the
43:26
message before the message now is this
43:29
being from um Brendan IRB I don't
43:33
actually know how to pronounce his last name that's really embarrassing the CEO of oculus VR saying We Believe virtual
43:39
reality will be heavily defined by social experiences that connect people
43:42
in magical new ways that's very
43:45
different than the heartbeat kind of
43:49
idea that was oculus before which is like yeah hackers and makers it's more
43:54
social experience now which is interesting but then at the same use the
43:58
word magical thank you Mr jobs yeah yeah
44:01
this is a magical device at the same time though this is
44:05
two different people and if you talk to karmac he's still very gaming focused
44:08
and if you talk to Palmer he's still very gaming focused this is just quotes
44:12
that I got from a picture that someone posted on Reddit um Brendan while this
44:18
this is a specific quote again this is this is grabbing snippet quotes grabbing
44:21
snippet quotes isn't always applicable if you go talk to Brendan at if you go
44:26
watch some of his videos that he's been in at conventions a lot of time he talks
44:31
about gaming and some of them have been very recent they're still talking about
44:34
gaming he's just talking about an idea that they haven't really expressed as
44:38
much necessarily in the past so I'm not sure how much that matters but a lot of
44:41
people were at up in arms about that something that was also really interesting was the are you done with VR
44:46
straw pole that came up which ended up being huge um I'm done with oculus VR
44:53
dead to me was one of the options that had 11 , 32 votes when I last looked at
44:59
it and was accounting for 50% of the votes um I I will withhold judgment for
45:04
now and see how this plays out only had
45:07
9,947 votes compared to the previous 11,000 and something ringing in at 45%
45:12
of the vote okay that's helpful um and then the the the part the people saying
45:16
they're okay with Facebook was only 4% which is
45:20
like nothing um but then a lot of this
45:23
was need reaction this this this straw pull was created extremely early and I
45:28
wish we could get every single person that responded on that to respond again
45:32
and see how it would change I don't necessarily think the number of people
45:36
saying that Facebook is okay would necessarily increase because no matter
45:40
how you look at that look at this I don't think a ton of people are super stoked about the idea of Facebook um but
45:47
I think more people would probably side with the I will withhold judgment for
45:51
for now and see how this plays out because if you have to put your trust in anyone Palmer carac and all those
45:58
guys those are some people to put your trust in people have been describing
46:02
karmac as the canary in the coal mine and I don't really know any better way
46:05
of actually saying that because that's a really good way of if he had a problem
46:09
with it then we'd know about it and I I guess at least we'll have a
46:15
heads up when stuff's about to hit the fan because when karmac leaves
46:20
Oculus then we'll there's your heads up there's your heads up and a Brash
46:24
joining like that's another person to pay attention to and follow and honestly
46:28
if anyone can do it it's these guys so I hope they make it
46:32
because I don't know it's scary um then
46:36
then things start happening like I actually hold on a second I actually created a new straw pole so we'd love
46:41
for you guys to vote on this one I'm just going to post it in the chat a few
46:45
times here so that you guys can see it only click the ones that are posted by
46:49
me because it's sort of a thing for people to just click make their own
46:52
straw Poes anyway so uh go ahead check that out we'd love to hear what you guys
46:56
think and see how it compares to the original results okay go ahead Luke all right so
47:01
next we're moving into we're still in kind of negative stuff so Oculus CTO
47:04
bailes on GTC due to illness now if you try to go to this thread it's not going
47:09
to work oh okay it was pulled down by NVIDIA's Blog NVIDIA's blog was amazing
47:15
it's too bad we didn't uh did you like cop I don't have a screenshot or
47:19
anything I I should have I should have thought about that but there's a new
47:22
post on NVIDIA's blog now actually where if you can find that I should put that
47:27
in here I was rushing near the end there's a new post saying like holy crap
47:31
he's awesome because he ended up showing up ended up being a very last minute
47:36
kind of ditch effort kind of thing they got about 100 people there just like at
47:39
the very last possible second and he ended up talking to them and it
47:43
apparently it was great yeah here we go speaks at GTC yeah very very different
47:48
than their previous article which was like begs off attendance blah blah blah
47:53
blah blah like super not stoked they're they're happy with him now but again
47:57
this is this was playing into the negative feeling of the whole internet where everyone's like oh he's not ill
48:02
he's just trying to dodge our questions honestly I don't even necessarily think
48:06
that was a thing he was very possibly ill because of how much crap has been
48:10
being thrown at them because like
48:13
they've been busy it's the yeah I don't know I I doubt any of that team has
48:17
really slept much over not that you'd be able to relate to becoming ill because
48:21
no sleep and lots of work yeah yeah I think people can probably remember that
48:25
um although I bet you R Max fine cuz as far as I can tell he just like doesn't
48:29
care and is still programming which is kind of awesome um but the rest of the
48:34
team es especially Palmer you once we get to his Reddit posts he can oh man I
48:39
feel bad for Palmer anyways moving on to
48:42
Notch's post so Notch posted on Twitter some people saw the retweet from me um
48:48
essentially saying that he has no intention of now creating a Minecraft
48:53
mod which he's planning on making an official one because he finds Facebook
48:56
to be creepy uh you heard our quotes earlier from when he was on the Reddit
49:00
thread he's been very vocal in this um so a direct quote is I did not chip in
49:04
10 grand to seed a first investment round to build value for face for a
49:08
Facebook acquisition another quote is I definitely want to be a part of VR but I
49:12
will not work with Facebook their motives are too unclear and shifting and
49:16
they haven't historically been a stable platform there's nothing about their
49:20
history that makes me trust them and that makes them very seem very creepy to
49:24
me um now before we get into those comments I want to jump forward and to
49:29
the scumbag Oculus meme kickstarters Edition um which is just kind of
49:34
interesting and plays into what Notch was talking about we'll talk about that in a second um and Palmer's post when
49:39
Palmer bounces back at Notch for posting that by saying things like he had the
49:43
rift for over a year and hasn't even tried The Unofficial Minecraft mod um at
49:48
least at the point of Palmer posting that which is I'm assuming based on
49:52
information from when Notch visited that office before the Facebook acquisition
49:56
and he said it's easy to cancel a project that was never even really started anyways he has Merit in both of
50:01
those points
50:05
but okay I don't think a lot of comments that people have been pointing at him um
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coming from people like cliff balinsky and coming from uh even Palmer himself
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and a whole bunch of people on the internet and the guy that posted this Facebook post originally are necessarily
50:19
that accurate they're calling him childish and feeble and all this other
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kind of stuff um whether or not it's because he
50:26
just doesn't feel like doing the project and he wants to cancel it that doesn't seem very true necessarily especially
50:31
when he's saying I definitely want to be a part of VR I will but I will not work
50:35
with Facebook he does kind of seem like he wants to be a part of VR I'm going to
50:38
have to take what he's saying on face value he seems pretty legit in the past
50:42
um it does seem like he's doing it on moral reasons he doesn't like Facebook
50:45
so he's canceling the project that doesn't make him childish just because
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he doesn't like something he doesn't want to work with someone I I don't
50:53
necessarily agree with that but then again that's up to you to make make that
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decision being childish might be taking it public you could always just cancel
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the project and not say that's very true and of something jumping on the Reddit
51:06
post and jumping on Twitter and making it a huge deal that could have been a
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childish action but I don't think necessarily like that like the whole Fez
51:13
2 cancellation thing oh yeah would that have been less drama if he' just canel
51:17
it instead of saying I'm canceling it because you guys are so mean to me yeah
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maybe and that's that's a very good point I don't think the fact that he
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canceled it is childish maybe the way he went about it you can decide whatever
51:28
the heck you want about that that's just something to throw there so here's our
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new straw pole so uh there's been a major shift the major shift in the uh in
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the perception here so we had 300 votes
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for Oculus is dead to me and a full 65%
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actually okay so 76% of you are either okay or withholding judgment which
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interesting a massive shift and good timing because now we get into the shift
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um um where Reddit um our own Community
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Twitter a lot of these different communities the the the voice that was
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most heard is now changing to stop
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attacking them let's wait and see all that kind of stuff instead of like
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direct and sometimes personal attacks and threats to people like ridiculous
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which is not okay um okay moving on so
52:21
blah blah blah blah blah the hate the the Hate Now directed at those attacking
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Oculus quotes from this are to to jump
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to personal attacks in an emotional tantrum Masque way and Abandon Ship
52:32
without actually realizing where this deal will go that's that's a pretty good
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quote and true to what a lot of people did I got extremely sad I'm sure people
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saw my Twitter account um but that was mainly when I was getting stuff from The
52:45
New York Times saying that they're going to Rebrand everything and um a lot of
52:49
the other information basically saying Oculus is dead that was depressing but
52:52
once I found other things not nearly as sad um and another quote there saying
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say chill and let's wait and see let's all wait and see which I think is yeah
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that's what I'm doing at least I'm going to wait and see I'm still very interested no matter what I'm not done
53:05
with VR from you know this and a lot of my friends back in high school that I
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forced to try it including my girlfriend who didn't care at all but was a good
53:13
sport about it um back when I bought Nia
53:16
my neural impulse actuator but I don't care I know it's
53:20
new ways of interacting with computers this has always been what I've cared about most and I find this incredibly
53:24
interesting so whether or not it ends up being ocul I'm still totally in for VR
53:28
um Cliff balinsky weighs in this was interesting
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um I wasn't as interested as in this as
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many other things but it is still fairly interesting because he gained a lot from
53:44
this whole situation he was a really big early on investor and something that
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people have been attacking Oculus over is why the kickstarter people weren't
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allowed to be investors that's like us law that's not Ulus wasn't like yeah no
53:57
let's just give them dk1 instead of uh shares in the company that's just how
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things work they can't change how the United States works so you can attack
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them over different things but that's not really going to it doesn't matter
54:09
that no U but he was he's an accredited
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investor or whatever the heck so he's able to do this kind of stuff um and he
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brings up some interesting points and some stuff that's scary and I hope never
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happens so he brings up the fact that Facebook has a multi-million user reach
54:25
and as people notice with Mark's promoted post he probably didn't pay for
54:30
that he can probably push advertisements in a lot of different places getting a
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lot of different eyes on board without paying for it and quotes coming in
54:38
earlier on where we were talking about how Facebook is losing a certain audience and saying like oh but that's
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the audience that's going for Oculus Rift right now yeah okay so they already
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have those people they don't necessarily need those people from Facebook what
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they can gain from Facebook is the
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multibillion user reach of people that don't know what the heck Oculus is y um
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they can push that out they can talk to all those people so that's that's good
55:04
um he goes on to talk about WhatsApp and Instagram like we've talked earlier
55:08
though but I think we share the same opinion which is like dude we haven't
55:12
had enough time to see that happen at all at all like come on especially
55:18
WhatsApp like are you kidding me and we haven't seen Instagram falter in any way
55:23
and so we haven't seen how Facebook will react when one of their Acquisitions is
55:28
all of a sudden not looking like a great acquisition anymore do they just slash
55:33
the entire work force do they like we've seen Google do um a lot of people are
55:37
saying why didn't someone like Google buy it that would have been worse that would have been scary that would have
55:42
been really scary because if it doesn't do well for a second Google's just be
55:45
like LOL okay bye and then they own all the patents and they'll do something
55:49
completely different with it and that might be really cool too
55:52
yeah but Google doesn't seem to necessarily care too much about what
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they acquire and Google operates on their own in their own Dimension
56:02
sometimes like they're and it's both great and terrible sometimes but they're
56:07
they're thinking about things 10 years from now 20 years from now and they're
56:12
because they just don't really care about making money on it today they
56:16
might just let it sit there behind closed doors in development for another
56:20
10 years whereas with Facebook they've been pretty clear hey no the Oculus Rift
56:26
for gamers is still coming you're going to get the iterative the iterative
56:30
hardware that comes on the way to us building our grand vision of it Google
56:34
doesn't always do that yeah you you could see they built a self-driving car and just put it on the road yeah and it
56:39
was amazing and then they were like okay cool it's like since when if we heard
56:44
anything about that it's like obviously safe they've totally proved that it's
56:48
safe and then they're like all right in the garage um and that could have easily
56:52
happened with this too you we could have seen DK2 come out or not it's Google who
56:56
the heck knows and then cv1 consumer version one could have come out in like
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2020 or something like L 20 K KP screen
57:06
or whatever we have by that point who knows um uh one thing that he brings up
57:11
the the like oh now we're just going to get Farmville VR and stuff like that
57:16
like I I touched on that earlier when I was talking about the negative points I
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said oh my God Farmville 3D and Facebook popup updates
57:24
everywhere I really really don't think so no I think it'll be more subtle I
57:29
mean I think what they'll do is they'll offer game developers options like this
57:34
is the way this is the way I could see it working maybe not step one and not
57:37
step three where it's like family reunions are all done through Oculus VR
57:41
but like a step one and a half or two where think about in-game advertising
57:46
the way it's done now where there might be um like all of the uh oh crap I
57:50
forget what game did this was it Battlefield 4 where they had like um
57:54
Coke vending machines and you couldn't knock them over they were like the one
57:58
thing in the game that wasn't destructible and like I don't remember I
58:02
don't remember what game it was but it was like vending machines but so in-game
58:05
product placement Facebook could offer
58:08
Oculus developers so Developers for VR games the option to build advertising
58:15
into their game as a way to monetize their platform they could throw seed
58:20
funding at them if they're willing to deliver that and this could be a way for
58:24
us to if we're willing to put up with a little bit more advertising which I
58:28
think people have proven time and time again that they'll protest about it but
58:32
much like taxes they'll just suck it up every time um and they won't vote with
58:37
their wallets until maybe we get to a Breaking Point and but we haven't seen
58:41
it yet I'm I'm interested to see what ad
58:44
block does about this I'm interested to see what Adblock does about this but
58:47
that could be a great way for us to get more VR content yeah at least for now
58:52
and support Developers for maybe freeo play that isn't necessarily
58:56
microtransaction driven um I'm going to actually tangent for just a moment here
59:01
and talk about Bravely Default the game that I just recently started playing
59:06
would I have rather seen some like well
59:09
integrated product placement in Bravely Default versus what they've done with
59:13
sleep points so sleep Point um turn based combat just like a Final Fantasy
59:18
game basically except you can okay I'm not going to get into the combat mechanics so sleep points allow you to
59:24
interrupt turn-based com and act at any time so you can earn them either by
59:29
leaving the game on with your DS in sleep mode plugged in presumably so it
59:33
doesn't drain the battery uh for eight hours per sleep point or you can buy
59:37
them and so basically you can buy the ability to like go until the enemy dies
59:43
kind of thing that to me is a lot more obnoxious than something like a little
59:47
bit of Tastefully applied in game advertising so like yeah anyway okay go
59:53
ahead go ahead uh and he has a point in however they end up doing it who knows
59:58
personally I would like the I don't mind product placement to be completely
60:01
honest ad blockus com from some twitch
60:05
chat and like okay another thing that Cliff blinsky brings up is the
60:09
possibility of uh some sort of proprietary system which everyone
60:12
freaked out about and he's hopefully completely wrong in super off Bas
60:17
because that's super dumb yeah um but another thing that came out of that was
60:21
the possibility of like maybe when you boot up your computer you load like the
60:26
Oculus store or something and the Oculus store is kind of like steam but has VR
60:32
capable games you can buy other stuff like that and there could be other applications that's the idea of this
60:36
whole system or even an Oculus store from within Steam much like the way
60:40
we've seen NVIDIA integrate their Tegra Zone store within Android that allows
60:45
you to shop the Google Play Store but a tailored version of the Google Play
60:49
Store I'd be totally okay with that and it makes sense because steam's actually been fairly or valve has been fairly
60:54
recently talking about allowing different companies to have their own
60:57
stores on Steam so that makes an incredible your cynical your cynical
61:01
take on that was maybe they just don't feel like managing it anymore yeah maybe
61:05
they're just like ah they can just do whatever the heck they want we'll still
61:08
scrape all the money and it's fine whether or not you think that's positive
61:12
or negative uh that could allow something like Oculus to have their own
61:16
compatibility store essentially there and then maybe you can if if that's a
61:20
thing maybe you could unofficially inject OC what what was it called ad
61:25
blocus Oculus yeah maybe you could integrate that in some way um I don't
61:30
know the cliff binsky thing is really long and I preferred other sorts of
61:35
information all right so Mark Zuckerberg's actual post on Facebook I
61:40
think clarified a lot um so I'm just
61:44
going to go ahead and post this now this this is interesting because a massive
61:49
amount of people as far as I can tell don't really trust Mark Zuckerberg even
61:52
if they like Facebook really so
61:56
this despite being kind of positive for
61:59
the people that may have been negative in the beginning a lot of people have
62:02
been pretty sketchy about but it's interesting nonetheless and hopefully we
62:06
can hold them to the things that he says in here so here we go yeah hopefully
62:10
there's some accountability so he he starts off by
62:13
saying um immersive gaming will be first and Oculus already has big plans here
62:18
that won't be changing and we hope to accelerate I don't even care what side
62:22
of the fence you're on that's good um like this has happened we can't reverse
62:26
it now we have to take the good that we can um and that is good we're focusing
62:30
on helping Oculus build out their product and develop Partnerships
62:34
supporting more games to support more games so again we're going to have to
62:38
move a little faster here at 6 oh God I didn't realize this show was essentially
62:42
over already um Oculus will continue
62:45
operating independently within Facebook um and they want to achieve that blah
62:49
blah blah whether or not that ends up becoming a thing or not although right now it does seem like it's going to be
62:53
and I'm sure carac would have a ton to say if that doesn't stay being a thing
62:56
so we'll see how that goes um I'm trying to skip over things uh there's just some
63:03
he he talks about potential uses I'm not going to directly quote this because ites I already talked about it earlier
63:08
yeah okay yeah okay so let's move on just all the
63:12
potential uses yeah yeah we talked about things like using it as a way to connect
63:15
with other people and yeah but he also brings up like medical applications Stu
63:19
court side seats at games something that I've talked about that I'm really
63:23
excited about with VR already y um okay
63:26
so so then we move on to Palmer's Reddit and this is incredibly long and already
63:31
chopped down a lot despite the fact that we're going to be skipping a bunch of things so I actually recommend going to
63:35
his user account and checking his message log because it is very interesting and a really easy way to
63:39
track the whole conversation um he's been asked a whole bunch of questions so
63:43
these are some answers you will not need a Facebook account to use or develop for
63:46
the rift that will not be a thing he has said that so far of course he's no
63:50
longer running the entire company so it's kind of a problem but I'm sure
63:56
there you would know anyways um people have been this is a little bit
64:01
messed up anyways uh people asked if I
64:04
ever see Facebook branding on anything that's not optional I'm done he says
64:08
that's not really reasonable in a literal sense but he understands what
64:11
the guy is trying to say um I think that comment spouted from the Facebook
64:16
branding on the Oculus idea not necessarily yeah not necessarily like a
64:20
Facebook style the Oculus App Store deal something like that I'm not I'm not sure
64:24
that was a little bit Shady anyways um
64:27
if I see any ads on anything that I've already paid for I'm done Palmer says
64:31
which makes a ton of sense that's a developer decision they're not going to be injecting things necessarily it's not
64:36
their decision if someone wants to sell a game with built-in ads they will have
64:39
to deal with the natural consequences of you not buying it he didn't say that you're not buying it part but yeah um
64:44
just promise me we there will be no specific Facebook tie-ins um he says I
64:50
promise which is good um he he talks
64:54
about it more it's saying would would you rather me sell to someone like Microsoft or apple so they can tear the
64:58
company apart use the pieces that we have to build their own vision of virtual reality we talked about this
65:02
earlier um one that fits their current strategy they have not a chance so you
65:06
can tell that he believed in this acquisition at least some amount um the
65:12
key points that he brings up too is we can make custom Hardware we brought this
65:16
up earlier y um we can afford to hire everyone we need we brought this up
65:19
earlier we're going to talk about this l a little bit further on and we can make
65:22
huge investments in content so the only thing that I've really seen the do in a
65:26
big form was EVR Eve virtual reality
65:30
Valkyrie which looks amazing so hopefully there's more of that kind of stuff in the
65:33
future um another thing that you should go read into is Carmax tweets again I
65:38
guess I'm not going to jump into these too in depth because this show could probably go on for four hours um and
65:42
I'll just talk about it more in the Afterparty so be sure to show up for that
65:47
um I like karmac Carm is a really good guy and one of the things that he posts
65:51
up on there let me go to his Twitter real fast um
65:57
was I would expect Facebook not to exert any o overt control over Oculus unless
66:03
Oculus fumbles badly a few times at which point they should that kind of
66:06
makes sense um and he asks people what are the hazards what should be what
66:10
should be done to guard against them and what are the tests of failure blog and
66:14
I'll read so if you guys have opinions talk about it and they will pay
66:18
attention that's very cool anyways jumping forward off of Carmax tweets we
66:22
talked about some of those early on as well Oculus hires Michael AB crash this
66:26
is huge and this I think honestly there
66:30
there was already a Twist towards the positive yeah and then this happened and
66:34
then everyone was just like so this was today yeah like huge positive outcome
66:39
when this happened uh some people freaking out saying that now valve is
66:42
ruined but I don't think valve ever intended on releasing anything anyways
66:46
yeah so I think it makes a lot more sense that he's now working for Oculus
66:50
um so he was working on VR at valve for context yeah uh AB Brash and and carac
66:56
worked together in the past on some really big things and they're both very
67:00
happy that they're coming back together which is really cool um they met in 1994
67:05
1995 and worked on stuff like Quake which is kind of a huge deal I'm going
67:10
to skip over a bunch of this again yeah let's just go ahead and post the link here you guys should definitely check
67:14
this out yeah it's the thread on on Oculus is actual website so now people
67:20
have been talking about canceling their pre-orders and I don't know what I'm
67:24
going to do uh next topic are Riot um
67:27
starting in 1 minute you guys got another minute to do that because of the
67:30
delay uh any more of that you will be perab banned and we are not lifting
67:34
bands anymore so give it a rest um do
67:37
you want to cancel your terms or sorry do you want to cancel your order there's
67:40
terms that we can post that'll be in this doc um are you sure you want to
67:45
cancel though there's been a lot of people trying to cancel and then trying
67:48
to stop their cancel so they can keep their spot in line you can cancel your
67:51
pre-order before it's shipped so you have a while still so don't worry about
67:55
canc immediately if you're thinking about it you can kind of sit on that
67:58
topic or just go and cancel it although careful because it's an email
68:02
cancellation it's not like an automated one so it might take a little while for them to reply just hold in there yeah
68:06
and you'll lose your spot in line and you'll lose your spot in line um something interesting to bring up is the
68:11
photo of their like Facebook kind of thing that they had at their old HQ
68:15
which if you zoom in really closely says warning Facebook may cause loss of time
68:20
poor work ethic obesity social disorders and possible interference of Destiny use
68:25
it your own risk and then the Facebook thumbs up which is hilarious goes to
68:30
show you just what their attitude was towards Facebook the website if not
68:36
Facebook the company yeah um oatmeal made a joke we're basically at the end
68:41
now oatmeal made a joke about this apparently a year ago which I'd never seen until earlier today which was
68:46
talking about um strapping Facebook to your face essentially if you actually go
68:50
look at it there you go there we go um so he talks about essentially like how
68:54
the world around me is so very very loud it begs me to slow down to sit down
68:58
introducing Facebook for your face I
69:02
like it and then saying eventually we'll just
69:05
like lay down and die which is kind of hilarious and then yeah oal I'll talk
69:10
about it more in the after party but that's essentially what happened you're going to talk about this more on the
69:14
Afterparty I just skipped like probably half so when the news first came out we
69:20
uh we knee-jerk reaction we created this
69:23
shirt and it wasn't ready because District I think it kind of applies kind
69:27
of slow sometimes so here's the shirt um
69:31
so it just says it's it's an Oculus eye so it's actually it's not even the
69:35
Oculus eye it's just somewhat similar because we don't want any trademark
69:39
infringing things on a shirt like this uh so it just says I dislike Facebook in
69:44
the context of the stuff that's happened over the last couple of days so District Lines took a while for this shirt to
69:48
come out and so by now so much positive
69:51
news has come out around it that I think neither Luke nor I are feeling quite as
69:57
down about the whole thing it's not being completely re anyways yeah so now
70:00
like like there were concerns like they were going to reand Rebrand it based on
70:05
that New York Times article which still hasn't been pulled down no which is
70:09
interesting to me anyway um so if you
70:12
still feel strongly about the whole thing if we sell like 50 of them then
70:18
I'll still print it otherwise I'm going to cancel the order and I think that cost me like 15% restocking fee but I I
70:24
it doesn't feel as relevant to me anym things have literally changed a lot has
70:28
changed since we created this shirt another way to look at it I'm probably
70:31
still interested in kind of getting one is I still like Oculus and I still don't
70:36
like Facebook I disliked Facebook before this whole situation and I still dislike
70:40
Facebook that doesn't change so if you guys want it order it if you don't we're
70:45
not making it so there you go doesn't matter okay and now everyone can Rejoice
70:49
because the Oculus topic is over and we're moving into our sponsors for today
70:56
so sponsor number one hey we're got oh
70:59
that's the wrong one well it's still Intel but slightly more different so
71:03
lonus Media Group is going to PAX East it's going to be Luke and Brandon and
71:08
this is mostly just a call out did I say Brandon I can probably go talk to them
71:13
there to where who what Oculus they'll be at PEX East yes they will so Luke and
71:18
Brandon will be there covering the show there will be actually I feel this is a
71:22
good opportunity to promote this there will be a buildoff between the one and
71:27
only slick PC and the one and only Paul's Hardware so Paul from new.tv they
71:32
will be doing a PC build
71:36
Showdown and I can't promise that there won't be any H Jinks or Shenanigans
71:42
throughout the entire thing both the lonus Media Group and New Egg TV crws
71:47
will be filming the event and it will be streaming live on Twitch TV due to a
71:53
partnership between Newegg and Twitch TV TV and of course we love Twitch TV as
71:57
well we happen to be streaming there right now although I don't have to
72:01
endorse Twitch TV in any way maybe I'll just say negative things about them just
72:04
in case JN is watching right now twitch sucks John um anyway so twitch will be
72:09
streaming it live which means that there will be no opportunity for any hij Jinks
72:13
to be not streamed hink now everyone knows that
72:19
something anyways no maybe nothing will happen maybe I'm just trying to get them
72:23
to watch so that I get my big fat p check from Intel it could it could be it
72:27
could be that overt so anyway guys stay tuned uh our
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something like that well then I guess they're wrong I don't know I just saw
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actually have to start paying for it right away you can just get a trial at
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bit. lehs share and uh if you like it
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then let us know and we'll we'll see if we can arrange for something to happen
75:39
even if I might have totally screwed that up all right so moving into our
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next topic here that is not
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Oculus Titan z d the card that everyone
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was super unhappy wasn't a game you know what I don't even okay Titan Z
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is moderately interesting and people are
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upset that NVIDIA is branding this as a gaming card but be okay yes it says
76:09
GeForce yes it has Titan branding the
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most recent of which to contain that branding was marketed sort of as a
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gaming card but this is not a gaming
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card Jensen came right out and said said this is for people who want a
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supercomputer next to their desk it is
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it it it doesn't make any sense for a gamer to buy a Titans Z he didn't say
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that part because you know I think his statement was more along the lines of I
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mean if Gamers want to buy it then great uh then then great but I mean Titan's
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been selling like hot cakes but it's mostly intended for Cuda developers the
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only advantage of Titan over something
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like GTX 780 Ti so we're talking about the single GPU versions is the double
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precision performance of Titan which is only useful in a production environment
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a coding environment double Precision doesn't mean your games run more
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accurately no game takes advantage obviously aim better yeah you'll aim
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better so you combine that with Aimbot with and a sniper button and like U
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Flames painted on the side of your PC why not speed holes speed holes so Titan
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Z is not a gaming card why is it $3,000
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it's $3,000 because the kind of work it is intended to be used for would allow a
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budget of $3,000 to spend on a compute card for it that's why it has 12 gigs of
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RAM so 6 gigs per GPU and it's intended to allow a higher density of gk10
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Graphics cores to be installed in a single machine in a desktop type work
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environment it is not a gaming card but
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because it happens to be GeForce and it will use GeForce drivers you can game on
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it if you want a quad SLI gk10
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experience you'll just have to pay more
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but that same experience would be available to you if you bought four GTX
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780 Ti for a grand total of
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$2,800 and that would cost you six grand
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in Titan Z's and you will get the same performance unless you really need the
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six gigs of frame buffer per card in which case you could still buy four
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Titans and water cool them and spend like $1,500 less anyway
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it's not a practical solution it wasn't intended to be the internet needs to get
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over it um oh there's a couple things so for
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context uh oh wait so yeah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah old Titan was
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something I think Anon Tech is estimating that it'll be clocked at around 700 MHz based on the uh based on
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the Giga flops or Tera flops or whatever
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that NVIDIA is quoting uh so that would be well below the performance of the
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Titan black So Not only would that other solution be cheaper it would also
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perform better considerably faster this is something that really just kind of I
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part of me is outraged and part of me is like yeah this makes sense ASUS has a
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gaming branded b85 board so this is an Intel
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LGA 1150 board it supports you know four
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dim slots supports dual graphics cards
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it's got better onboard sound and like like it's got like a gamer
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friendly color scheme it's not cold but
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it is not overclockable the b85 chipset
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does not support overclocking at
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all so I would love to see you guys hit us
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up with a straw pole here this current audience is going to like this too much
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I don't think they will either but I have I have okay our discussion though
79:52
while we wait for the straw pole results is that there's probably a large amount
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of people that aren't going to overclock and want to buy a gaming board is your
79:59
is your CPU overclocked actually technically right now it is okay own
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Well mine's not I know and mine wasn't not that long
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ago it doesn't really matter right now
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my graphics card is definitely overclock when Star Citizen
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launches I will overclock the snot out of my CPU my graphics card is
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overclocked like crazy but I don't like
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yeah no not my CPU not so there you go
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that that's that's the that's the cold hard truth is not every gamer is an
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overclocker and Enthusiast and for so long overclocking boards were lumped in
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with gaming boards because the Assumption was that Gamers were Tweakers
80:39
but most of the hardcore Gamers I know are not that into the hardware well my
80:43
re hardore Gamers not like my reason is
80:48
I have a profile locked in for my CPU that I have multiple profiles actually I
80:52
have my like my stock um my like low
80:55
overclock medium overclock and like ridiculous overclock and I have it
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currently on like a medium which is not really pushing it that hard right
81:04
because my ridiculous one is insane but when stares and starts really pushing my
81:08
computer I'll just be like click l but then the lifespan of that CPU is going
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to go because I'm pushing it way too hard
81:16
and I know that all right NVIDIA looks beyond Maxwell This was posted on
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Hardware conu so actually for a while they were saying volto was coming after
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Maxwell but now they have removed Volta from the road map and replaced it
81:30
instead with Pascal which is going to deliver unified memory 3D memory and NV
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link and I'm actually not sure which is the most interesting out of all of these
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things so 3D memory has been talked about for a while it's going to be
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instrumental with Pascal NVIDIA claims they will be able to provide several
81:48
times greater bandwidth which is going to be incredibly important for
81:51
Resolutions Beyond 1080p they're saying more than twice the memory capacity and
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quadruple the Energy Efficiency and when you look how energy efficient uh Maxwell
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is already we could be looking at some
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seriously powerful Hardware in very
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small spaces powering like cloud gaming experiences within the home or whatever
82:11
else the case may be talked about that a lot last week um the other big one to me
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is Envy link so here's a little picture that's also courtesy of Hardware conu
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thank you hardware conu for posting this I love you Mike um showing what Envy
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link will be exactly so we're not necessarily expecting Envy link to
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replace oh you guys can't see that part of the graphic I'm sorry there we go
82:34
really okay well whatever my mouse my mouse is here so there's a little PCIe
82:39
link labeled here so it's not going to replace PCI Express or anything but Envy
82:43
link will be an efficient way for the gpus to communicate with each other so
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it would replace the current SLI Bridge
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much like AMD has done with XDM a on
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their R9 series cards on the very very
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highend the r9290 series cards but um
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this will augment PCI Express allowing the gpus to communicate with each other
83:06
and again not just for Crossfire or SLI type dual Graphics functionality but
83:11
instead for compute functionality giving
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them a much more efficient means of working together we there uh NVIDIA is
83:18
saying this is going to be twice as efficient as PCI Express 3.0 and they
83:23
call it feeding the app appetite for Big
83:26
Data so um you know how much better
83:30
could graphics cards work together in terms of frame pacing or whatever else
83:34
if they had super high-s speeed interconnects if they had you know
83:38
double the memory bandwidth or several times the memory bandwidth to work with
83:43
well Al also hopefully this will help with just chopping and general
83:46
crappiness that comes along with multiple GPU setups yep so that maybe we
83:50
will all kind of embrace it more and that's probably what they're going for
83:53
so hope way better all right so more bad news for Bitcoin um vercure X has just
84:02
gone insolvent that was about four days ago so they're basically the funny thing
84:06
about what they're doing is at least they're being a bit more communicative about it than Mount goau was but they're
84:10
saying okay well we can either just shut down now because we're like out of
84:16
Bitcoins or we can try to continue
84:19
operating and then like pay that back slowly but if we just shut down now
84:24
we're just not going to be able to pay it back at all and then one of the
84:27
advantages of Bitcoins up till now is that taxation on them hasn't been very
84:32
clear well new IRS rules in the US um
84:37
anyway are now considering Bitcoin
84:40
property so now it's property so you will pay taxes on it in much the same
84:45
way as you would another investment or Capital assets such as well property so
84:51
land or anything else like that so a payment made using virtual currency will
84:55
be subject to information reporting to the same extent as any other payment
85:00
made in property I don't know if you guys know this but technically if here
85:05
in Canada anyway if you make a deal with someone that is a barter agreement so if
85:10
I say uh you know I I'll fix your computer to a plumber and the plumber
85:16
says okay I'll fix your sync we should both be reporting and paying taxes
85:21
correctly on the face value of what
85:24
those Services would have been the laws are very clear about this so
85:29
cryptocurrency has existed on this sort of we don't know what to do with this
85:34
Cloud for a little while that's not the thing that's going to be happening
85:38
anymore all right which isn't to say that it will necessarily be enforced
85:42
everywhere it just means that you'll be legally responsible for it not having
85:47
been enforced portals coming to Shield which there's not a whole lot else to
85:51
really say about this other than it's happening now NVIDIA's been saying hey
85:57
guys we're going to deliver last gen console grade experiences on handheld
86:03
they've been saying that for well it's happening now cuz portal that's a last
86:07
gen console game and valve will be porting it to Android um so their their
86:14
blog post is actually pretty darn interesting you guys should have a read
86:17
of it later on I'm just going to post this in the twitch chat boom you guys
86:21
should check that out very very cool um not that relevant to me or really to
86:26
anyone in general who owns a shield
86:29
necessarily because you already have game stream which is definitely a good
86:33
enough experience to play portal with I played through the entirety of Portal 2
86:38
on NVIDIA Shield using gam stream I didn't touch my PC for the entire game
86:43
actually quite enjoyed it I just finished it did I tell you that yeah yeah really good obviously nothing
86:48
compares to portal one um it's good though like I couldn't have
86:53
really asked for much more nope good game and then the Steam Workshop makes
86:57
it so epic cuz you can just download custom maps I don't even really enjoy
87:03
solving portal puzzles that much you just like the story line I just really
87:07
enjoyed the the atmosphere and the humor and the story um GLaDOS is a fantastic
87:14
character U with or without Caroline so
87:17
yeah really really enjoyed it no one wants to hear about ancient games though
87:20
more about Shield so here are the release notes of their upcoming firmware
87:25
update or well oh what the hell is this oh I guess this is old release notes
87:30
where you'll can stay tuned in a few days there are going to be some new
87:34
Fantastic release notes because shield in the short nine or 10 months or
87:38
however long it's been on the market has evolved significantly from kind of a
87:43
Nifty Android gaming device that had this weird like PC streaming feature in
87:47
beta that actually worked pretty well at launch but is better now to something
87:51
that is a very compelling gaming platform compared to pretty much
87:56
anything else that you could buy from a handheld gaming perspective so now on
88:00
top of game stream on top of um The teger Zone store where you can buy teger
88:05
optimize games game stream Works outside of the house NVIDIA has said on the
88:09
conference call that we were no you weren't on it I was on it you had to
88:13
talk to New Egg TV H anyway I was
88:16
talking to NVIDIA while he was talking to New Egg TV that's just even I'm sorry but like
88:23
that just doesn't even sound cool um so
88:26
NVIDIA is saying you're going to need a strong mobile network connection or
88:31
whether you're on someone else's Wi-Fi like if I'm at the office here and I
88:35
want to game stream something at my house you're going to need 5 megabit up
88:39
and down in both places for optimal communication between the devices or I
88:43
mean they've even said you could do it on you know 4G LTE um but you're going
88:48
to need 5 megabit up and down on both ends for a good experience and the way
88:51
it works is pretty similar to grid beta have you tried that yet grid beta yeah
88:56
no I asked you last week it's on your Shield already oh no I wiped it before I
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gave it to you okay check it out try grid beta I also have to install that
89:05
access point though so streaming from NVIDIA's servers down in California to
89:09
here works like you can play Street Fighter um so anyway game stream Works
89:15
outside of the house uh wake on land and remote login support is coming so this
89:20
is a great feature for people who don't want to leave their PC on all the time
89:24
or like the number of times I've been in bed and I'm like yeah I want to fire oh
89:29
my computer's asleep get up and go turn it on and Vlog in and go back to bed and
89:35
play my game it's like well if I wanted to get up I would have gone and played on my computer so that's being addressed
89:42
could you install mobile team viewer on your yeah I could but just like La um
89:48
and that wouldn't help with wake on land all right no notebook GPU support is
89:53
coming so you'll be able to game stream from your GeForce Kepler based GPU
89:58
laptop which is very exciting for folks who have notebooks Bluetooth keyboard
90:02
and mouse support is coming in console mode the new teg rone has been
90:05
redesigned to help you find compatible games even better although I almost
90:09
never touch Android games on it they all kind of suck I mean no offense to
90:13
Android games but like compared to PC games that I can play on the thing my
90:17
shield almost never leaves my home I just play PC games on it um it's going
90:21
to get Android 4.4 Kit Kat uh better FPS
90:24
and bit rate controls much like what valve has been adding to inhome
90:27
streaming you're going to be able to say Okay I want this bit rate I want this
90:30
FPS and you're going to have much more granular control they have a better
90:33
Gamepad mapper with a more intuitive UI so you can take Android games if you
90:37
play them and then you can remap your buttons to the screen and an even better
90:40
way and for a limited time it's only 200
90:44
bucks so for a month NVIDIA Shield is $200 and at that price I think it's a
90:48
great value I would buy one I'll say that outright I've even just watched
90:52
videos on it it's a lot easier to manage especially while you're in bed than your
90:56
phone oh yeah we haven't talked about this is it a tablet yeah I use it like a
91:00
tablet because I was able to just like kind of prop it up and you've never even
91:04
been sold on the whole tablet concept well I'm still not sold on the whole
91:07
tablet concept but another thing that I'm really excited for is when Hearthstone gets moved to tablets and
91:12
phone phones um so that I can install it on my shield that'll make Shield so much
91:17
better cuz Hearthstone I've always been like this is really cool but I want to
91:21
be playing something a little bit heavier while I'm at my computer and
91:24
this cuz this is just weird whereas if you're like just in bed if I'm just like
91:28
chilling but can't sleep yet it's like all right play a card game like hearstone hearst's fun it's just
91:33
freaking awesome I'm sitting on my computer I'm just like I love Shi for $200 that's a no-brainer for me um okay
91:38
so NVIDIA also talked a lot about directx12
91:42
on the call and some of this stuff was uh pretty relevant so I I teased this at
91:48
the beginning of the show but uh mantle support is not coming to NVIDIA gpus
91:52
near you no matter how open AMD makes the platform um and I don't care
92:00
anymore the mantle hype train like I
92:03
think it was to me both you know what I'm going to criticize both of them
92:07
right now AMD really mismanaged the mantle hype train in much the same way
92:11
that NVIDIA has mismanaged the g-sync hype train both really cool Technologies
92:16
looked really important talked about way too early no follow through no follow
92:21
through yet I mean g-sync monitors are coming but g-sync monitors need to be
92:27
ubiquitous every monitor needs to be a g-sync monitor anything branded to
92:31
Gamers needs to be a g-sync monitor and pricing needs to be reasonable and we
92:35
might see that in a year or two years um and then mantle same thing it needs to
92:39
be everywhere or it's not going to make a at launch yes so um NVIDIA made some
92:46
really interesting points about directx12 so 79% of the DirectX 11 gpus
92:52
according to the steam service survey support direct X12 while 39 no it was
92:57
less than that I thought it was like 11% support mantle or something oh no 39% of
93:02
the direct X1 gpus no that math isn't right okay these are old notes I'm sorry
93:06
uh they updated the numbers but it was like much much lower support mantle and
93:11
uh star they're saying star swarm is better with the new 780 Ti DirectX
93:16
drivers than the 290x with mantle so there's a new driver coming um are those
93:21
really properly compared gpus they are not quite but it depends on the pricing
93:26
of 290x and it's enough only in North America is that really happening it's
93:31
enough better than 29x that even at MSRP they're about equal in terms of price to
93:35
Performance so if directx12 or even DirectX 11 updated driver can be equal
93:40
to what AMD is already delivering with mantle in Star swarm I was saying the
93:44
other way around though 78 TI is unproportionately expensive is it not no
93:48
cuz it performs a little better and it's a little more expensive than a 290x 290x
93:51
is 600 780 Ti is around 730 is it really
93:56
everywhere uh no this is just based on the lowest prices I could find for both
93:59
of them on New Egg yeah but what I'm SRP though that's not jacked up prices yeah
94:04
it's all good everything's okay so if they can deliver the same performance
94:07
with the new directx11 driver that AMD can deliver with mantle on a admittedly
94:13
mantle optimized Benchmark and directx12
94:17
is going to improve things even further then um yeah Unreal Engine 4 will
94:22
support DirectX 12 and NVIDIA says they've been working on directx12 for 4
94:28
years so this isn't a knee-jerk reaction for Microsoft like ignoramuses like us
94:33
might have assumed when we went oh I guess they're talking about direct X2 so
94:37
early because they're reacting to mantle um nope not so much so there you go guys
94:44
whatever ends up happening we're probably all going to be gaming on Windows for the foreseeable future
94:49
unless I mean a lot of good news came out about openg last week as well um
94:54
or somehow mantle figures things out or I don't
94:58
know I think we're probably going to be
95:02
pretty much done here let's do two more so our better than Bieber segment this
95:06
week we need music that goes along with
95:09
this is that the Titanic 2 is coming to
95:14
uh actually no it's real it's not it's not it's not a movie it's not a game
95:19
this was kind of weird new cruise ship to be built by Centric uh billionaire
95:26
Clive Palmer and will be as his has
95:30
accurate to the experience of the original Titanic as makes sense or
95:35
probably more so so the third class passengers will be in like cramped
95:40
horrible rooms before be below water level and the first class passengers
95:45
will be in these opulent beautiful mahogany covered rooms just like the
95:50
original Titanic um
95:54
Palmer did when when asked about unsync
95:57
ability hold on say let's just see if I yeah when asked if about unsn ability he
96:02
did not go as far as to call it Unsinkable a jinx famously applied to
96:06
the original vessel anything will sink if you put a hole in it Palmer joked uh
96:11
and they are expected to um to set sail
96:15
in 2017 the ship is currently being built in China it's kind of I don't even
96:20
know what to think about it if you were going to go on a Cruise no I don't care
96:26
at all okay you were going to go on a cruise would you go on a cruise on a
96:31
Titanic replica no okay CU I'm going to
96:35
pay so little that I'm going to get stuck in that crapshoot underwater level
96:40
and I'm going to hate it I'm not going to care about the experience of living
96:44
in like essentially a jail cell at the bottom of a boat and I'm just going to
96:47
be like this is super dumb is it that different from working here no
96:55
all right really important law change in the UK dis media ripping will be
97:01
legalized this summer in the UK this was posted on the Forum by methus szo and
97:09
the UK government has published a guide informing consumers that an upcoming
97:13
revision of copyright law will legalize CD and DVD ripping for personal use
97:24
good that wasn't even a slow clap I'm sorry if that came across that was a
97:28
like very satisfied that was like this should have happened 100 billion years
97:32
ago the original source is torrent freak here um it's coming into effect in the
97:36
June July time frame and the law is still very clear that if you make a
97:41
backup it is for personal use it is not for you to put on a you know like server
97:47
that you rent somewhere and then give everyone in your dog access to that's
97:51
not what this law change is intended for you can still sell your physical media
97:55
but you will be expected to delete all of the backup copies you're still very
97:59
much expected to buy media but you will
98:02
be allowed to play it back on any device you
98:06
own this is so weird right now like some
98:09
of the laws going around about this because like you buy a song and then
98:12
it's like the only medium you can play it on iTunes is iTunes or like if you
98:17
buy a physical copy of the disc in a lot of places it's like good luck carry on a
98:21
CD player with you like they're like no you can't copy it
98:25
to MP3 player cuz that's another copy and it's like what the hell is even
98:30
happening I'm happy that something like this stepped in I mean people do it
98:34
anyway like it's going to happen but you might as well legalize it so we can stop
98:39
seeing discussion on it about it anymore and like what's his name's mom going to
98:43
jail for 80 billion doar because her son
98:46
downloaded five songs like this is just stupid well that's different that's
98:51
we're we're not talking py downloaded then copied off of his own thing it
98:55
doesn't matter the same thing happens yeah we're tired of this whole thing and
99:00
people that didn't actually do anything wrong wrong I mean I I I think there's
99:04
still going to be some debate because what about families is my wife allowed to listen to
99:09
my song but then like your wife is allowed
99:13
to wear your shirt yes but the law says
99:16
it's for personal use and they specifically say not to give friends access is my wife my friend are my kids
99:22
my friends I don't know I mean valve is
99:25
opening up Family Sharing for games which is really cool which is really
99:29
cool but that doesn't mean that this law
99:32
allows like you know if I if I play this
99:36
song at a party is that a public demonstration did I own the rights for
99:39
that like all that stuff is still very gray area in terms of ownership but you
99:44
know like when because they specifically say if you have like a Nas you can't
99:48
give your friends access to it and to to to play back this media yeah but like
99:53
my family is going to have access to my NZ yeah so so that's weird all right
100:00
well I think that is pretty much it for the show this week um I was planning to
100:05
do my first impressions of the HTC1 M8
100:09
but I think we've somewhat run out of time I will have a review coming so far
100:14
I'm actually pretty impressed with some things that I wasn't expecting to be
100:18
impressed by I have 42% battery on it having used it quite heavily normally my
100:24
old one runs out during the show because
100:27
I'm using navigation to like go run errands on my way back from NCI and I'm
100:32
on my phone like constantly at NC because I don't bring out my computer
100:36
there to you know read the the document for w show and all that kind of stuff
100:40
and I have 42% right now which is pretty impressive the camera is actually quite
100:47
strong um in spite of the lack of people
100:50
asking for straw pull results but do you even have that link still yeah I
100:54
probably do actually I'll I'll grab that sorry about that guys um the camera is
100:58
really really strong the build quality feels even more solid I think it's going
101:01
to be a bit of a mixed bag in terms of how people perceive it when I went to
101:05
the Bell store last night to get a nano okay I guess I'm doing my first impressions of the M8 all right so when
101:09
I went to the Bell store last night um I
101:12
I said I needed a nano SIM and they were and they were like oh why do you need one of those did you get an iPhone and I
101:17
was like no I it's for um this and I pulled out of my pocket like everyone in
101:20
the store who worked there was like and like ran over and came and looked at it
101:25
and the reaction was very positive there to the metal um seamless backing uh
101:32
whereas some people are complaining that it's too slick and almost plasticky
101:36
looking like I showed it to someone at NC today who was like oh well why would
101:40
they take metal and make it look and feel as much like plastic as they
101:44
possibly could overall the construction in the flex of the phone is a very
101:49
strong point for it so the metal construction is definitely doing something it's just whether whether or
101:53
not you prefer that or not it's up to you it is a little bit bigger which I'm
101:56
finding a little bit awkward right now as I go through that transition period
102:00
again but it's only about3 in um the
102:03
voice quality on it is outstanding I I usually comment on voice
102:08
quality in my reviews and I kind of say well it's a phone you put one end to
102:12
your face and the other end to someone else's face and there's a wireless link
102:16
between them or something um and it sounds all right but this one really
102:20
blew me away with how good people sound uh through the hand through the handset
102:25
uh blink feed has I I quite like Sense 6.0 so far it's really subtle they
102:30
haven't it doesn't feel that different from the stock Google UI really and
102:35
maybe part of it is that I started out with sense whereas a lot of people
102:39
started out with with other skins but I
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I quite like it it doesn't get in my way at all and they've added a few little subtle things like the double tap to
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wake up is there now there are some gesture controls that right now are a
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little bit hit or miss so for example if you lift it up and then press the volume
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button there you go that launched the camera but it doesn't work 100% of the
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time uh camera modes again very very cool so you can do things like um here
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I'm going to show you guys this because it's actually like quite neat okay so
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here I'm going to get Jake the dog behind you there okay and then I'm going
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to get up and refocus that so you guys can actually see this so some of
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the yeah just going point the mic at myself so some of the camera effects
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that you can do are kind of neat so let's just see what
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the there we go all right so here's a picture of this guy so we're going to go
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ahead and edit the picture so their refocusing feature it's not perfect but
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check it out so I could focus on Jake the dog if I felt like it there you go
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and it it detects reasonably well what's in the foreground with those dual
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cameras in the front that's kind of neat you can only really apply one effect at
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a time which I was a little bit disappointed with but you can go and you
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can apply like effects to the background obviously they're going to need to add
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more than four of them to make this worthwhile as a feature um but I mean we
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saw them add more things with their uh with their Gallery viewing features in
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the past some of the stuff is just kind of goofy like let's put like blossoms
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all over him or something but this is neat so they have kind of like a
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parallax effect so you can see a
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little it's mostly faked but it still is
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like kind of neat you can see the boxes behind them kind of like stuck to his
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head there a little bit so so there's that um and then I haven't actually
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tried touch-up yet but let's uh let's do
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anti-shine yeah that's a face okay done I don't know if that did
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anything okay well either way um I think
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the biggest challenge whoops we're out of
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focus I think the biggest challenge for the M8 is going to be the price because
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a year ago or two years ago um $700 for
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a flagship phone was like okay that's how much a flagship phone costs whereas
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now with the Nexus 5 at $350 for the
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equivalent memory model you better be delivering $350 of additional value and
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the fact that it's missing wireless charging to me is a huge knock against
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it especially because we're still using micro USB we're still stuck with the
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standard and the micro USB port recently failed on my one which I've only had for
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about a year that's a good point micro USB ports failing strikes again for
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lonus because he has like the worst luck ever or he's a terrible person or
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whatever whatever your perception of micro USB might be it doesn't work very
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well for me and wireless charging is a really good way to not have to wear out
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the connectors on your phone unnecessarily the screen is absolutely
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beautiful but we've come to expect that from HTC like it's really good even
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though the pixels per inch the the actual pixel density is slightly lower
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than the old one because of the larger screen 1080p resolution it looks
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absolutely beautiful it's extremely Snappy um I guess that's pretty much all
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I have to say for now so there you go all right oh I like
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their new uh sound scheme sound scheme yeah like the the noises it makes when
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you like do things like Samsung's like super stupid
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one HTC's was always okay I like the new one even better cool thank you guys very
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much for tuning into to the WAN Show this week I hope you enjoyed it as much
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as we did w show Oculus Edition coming
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to a theater near you if you thought this was great and you need to see more
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news on Oculus maybe we can do a full featurelength Oculus W show and we well
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I'm I'm going to be talking about in the after because we only actually got
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through the like what happened part we
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didn't even get to do the our thoughts part so I'm going to be talking about a
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bunch of stuff in the Afterparty pretty much the entire Afterparty is going to
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be about Ulus so if you want to see anything that's not about Oculus peace
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out don't bother show up uh guys here's the straw po result that we uh talked
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about earlier I'm interested yeah I'm interested too I actually I posted it in
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the thread but I haven't actually clicked it yet there we go I'm assuming
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so results all right so not overclocked is
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39% look at that hand overclocked greater than 1 GHz
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is 22% Auto overclocked is 7 1% so both
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of those folks will not really be able to do anything with a B series chipset
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hand overclocked greater than 500 mehz hand overclocked and underclocked so 40%
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of you won't give any cares about a b85 board that has all the gaming Centric
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features without any of the overclocking Centric features even though those two
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things have been one and the same for so long fascinating yeah that is actually
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really interesting cuz I still want the option so that I can and I still do do
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it I just don't necessarily run it all the time I just switch my profile fairly actively I just moved to Ive which I've
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never overclocked before so I'm going to I'm going to be playing around with that
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once I take my system home oh my personal rig update is done being edited
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it's half an hour long did I tell you how long it it's more than half an hour
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expected it would be at least it's like 35 minutes and it has the most B- roll
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we've ever shot for a video yeah how how what was the data size on that again uh
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hey Brandon are you still here yeah uh
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how many gigs of b-roll did you shoot of
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my system 86 86 gigs of b-roll and that's
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in prores 1080P it is going to be our
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most beautiful video ever um something to note actually I don't know if you
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guys have noticed this but if you go back and look at our last couple of Corsair case reviews we are using a new
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recording setup it's still on the Sony fs700 but it's actually using an
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external recorder that allows us instead of record Rec in at 1080p to record at
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4K to the internal recorder and then down sample to 1080p with a much better
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codec that retains a lot more of the image information so we're using prores
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now instead of abch HD I personally noticed a big difference in the
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sharpness and detail of the footage but I haven't really seen anyone comment
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about it so you guys should let me know if you actually noticed my how much did
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that stupid thing cost
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yeah 2500 bucks apparently nobody even
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noticed but but we're not quite at the
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limit of its capability there's a firmware update coming that will allow us to record in 4k and then we will
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start releasing all of our videos in 4k so yeah yeah that's been coming for so
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long though I know I bought a 4K capable camera a year and a half ago and it's
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still not able to actually do it and still not able to actually well it could
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be if I was willing to spend like $99,000 on Sony's solution which is
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ridiculous yeah no like not even as good right yeah it's not as flexible yeah so
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that's stupid all right peace out guys we'll see you next week bye everybody