The WAN Show : Thumbs up EA, Geek Squad Leaks Nudes?, and GUEST Ryan Shrout - August 16, 2013

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0:00 welcome to the WAN Show guys it's august 16th which is actually almost my
0:04 birthday i know you give zero cares about birthdays and you had no idea that was
0:09 coming but you know what i actually did did you because the last time it was
0:14 your birthday i put it in my phone oh good work okay
0:17 well it's my birthday and my cat decided to help me celebrate by peeing on my
0:21 motorcycle jacket so if you had detected the smell of cat urine about me
0:25 then um no actually that is where it was coming from not from this vulgar shirt
0:31 that would have been equally plausible yeah yeah so so this shirt is uh my
0:36 special treat for all the viewers there today who wanted to see me wearing this
0:40 kind of a shirt it's absolutely horrible it's for an upcoming video where my
0:44 character is just sort of a horrible person in general but anyway we've got
0:48 some great topics for the WAN Show there's a new witcher 3 trailer which
0:52 we're going to be definitely talking about we've also got some exciting stuff
0:56 there's a ton of rumors about AMD's upcoming graphics cards so we'll be uh
1:01 shooting the breeze about that our special guest remember guys our special
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1:45 remember how long gmail was beta and minecraft yeah
1:49 they both worked like minecraft felt like a fully finished game i think he
1:53 was just like no no no no no no no
1:57 okay but this is legitimately beta so they're issuing patches like every few
2:00 days anyway guys definitely try it out try it out with your gaming group use
2:04 the bitly link here it helps us out a whole heck of a lot so our special guest
2:07 this week is ryan shrout from pc perspective so we're going to be talking
2:11 to him about AMD's new frame pacing driver as well as maybe you know
2:16 shooting the breeze about some of the some of the rumors it's uh it's always
2:20 kind of iffy how much the media folks can say and can't say because once they
2:25 actually hear something officially then it's kind of hard to talk about it
2:28 whereas if they're not the source and you know they don't know anything about it anyway then it's a little bit then
2:33 it's a little bit easier there so without further ado
2:36 intro time where's the intro
2:40 you have got to be kidding me same exact same thing as last week yes
2:45 it is the exact same thing as last week you would think that i would somehow
2:50 predict that but that is that is actually not what happens sometimes
2:55 when these things do occur in such a way
2:58 that people are stalling for time which
3:02 should be obvious at this point was that i think that this is
3:18 um
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3:54 so there you have it guys we are finally kicked off so why don't we dive right
3:58 into maybe one quick topic here and then we're gonna ask ryan to join us because
4:03 he is in the eastern time zone and has very kindly asked to join us at the
4:07 earliest possible opportunity so that he can like sleep
4:12 that's kind of important yeah i'm gonna i'm gonna take a shot at him for that once he gets on here because real nerds
4:16 don't need sleep so you know i think we all know that that's
4:20 true so what do we got as our opening kickoff here uh might as well jump right
4:24 into the top one which is ea humble bundle ea humble bundle yes indeed so
4:29 for those of you who haven't heard i'm just gonna go ahead and open this up on
4:33 the old laptop here boom there it is the humble origin
4:39 bundle eight games
4:42 and i think the average price last time i looked was around four bucks
4:46 which is outstanding uh where is it four dollars and eighty
4:50 cents so it's actually going up now ea has outdone themselves here which isn't
4:55 hard
4:59 has taken shots ea has outdone themselves here because
5:03 normally the way humble bundle works is it's up to the person buying the bundle
5:09 to decide how much money to allocate to
5:12 the developer and then how much to allocate to humble bundle you know hey
5:17 thanks for doing this and a charity there's usually at least one charity
5:20 tied in ea has taken out the developer
5:24 they probably knew no one was going to give them any money
5:30 oh i'm sorry ea you guys are actually kind of awesome this time so you've got
5:34 the option to give some money to humble bundle and then you have your choice of
5:38 five outstanding charities including human rights campaign watsi san
5:43 francisco aids foundation american cancer society and american red cross
5:49 and you can allocate however much of the money you're paying to whoever you want
5:53 in whatever proportion you want which is just a really cool thing to do they have
5:58 sold over 1.1 million bundles and raised
6:03 over 5.5 million dollars for charity and
6:07 people that are crying about origin because it's the humble bundle origin
6:11 bundle yes i think it's like five out of the eight games come with steam codes
6:15 yes so you there look at this e actually
6:18 yeah i'm not even gonna you know do this because it's not fair they have gone
6:24 the extra mile here most of the games are available on steam
6:28 we usually wreck them but give credit where credit's due this is pretty
6:32 freaking awesome yep and you know it's funny i we we had some comments on our
6:35 forum hey guys ea must have been watching your last livestream because
6:38 you burned them for only contributing i think it was uh 16 000 or something
6:43 you know what they're giving away their games for charity this week they're
6:48 raising millions of dollars so
6:51 that's the way to do it good job there we go the first time we've ever
6:55 applauded ea on this show well but like yeah we've applauded them
6:59 like ironically but not but not seriously this is serious serious
7:02 applause good job ea there's there's been some problems with activating origin codes
7:07 and stuff like that but they are i was saving that for like the punchline oh
7:11 sorry yeah so sims 3 uh there's been
7:14 some issues people haven't been able to activate it there doesn't seem to be a
7:18 clear answer whether it's related to region or Windows 8 or
7:23 ea's pointing the finger back at humble bundle
7:26 about why it's not working and then humble bundle saying that they might be
7:30 region specific but then some people outside of the us
7:33 are activating them so i don't i don't know what's going on at all they are
7:36 they are claiming to be working on it and five of the games come with steam codes anyways so we'll give them that
7:42 anyway you guys uh so the games that you get are dead space burnout paradise the
7:46 ultimate box crysis 2 maximum edition mirror's edge dead space 3 medal of
7:50 honor and if you pay more than the average price you get battlefield 3 the
7:54 sims 3 plus the starter pack which i believe is two extra content packs okay
7:59 so absolutely outstanding without further ado i would like to invite mr
8:05 ryan schrout from pc perspective to join us here on
8:09 the WAN Show so we're making our call remember guys guests are powered by
8:13 razer comms download razer comms and let's add our guest lower third brian
8:17 gave us a fantastic number of
8:21 uh options to choose from oh hold on
8:25 well i wonder if that's the thing that happened before
8:28 there we go let's try making our call here
8:33 okay we're going to restart this really quick we're also going to add our guests
8:36 lower third so we have a special lower third for our guest now ryan gave us a
8:40 fantastic choice of different options for us to use for his lower
8:45 third he sent us two pictures both of which were this one
8:48 so that that was a bit interesting so speaking of the beta status of razer
8:52 comms we're going to go ahead and delete system 32 which is one of the helpful
8:57 tips that was given to us here on twitter to help us diagnose any kinds of
9:03 system issues that we might be having there you go thank you christian moley
9:08 uh for giving us that uh that great little tip there you are truly a
9:12 gentleman and a scholar
9:17 ryan are you there yeah there you are all right
9:20 so how's it going how's uh how's the pc reviewing biz
9:25 uh it it goes it continues it's a never-ending process as you're aware um
9:31 some weeks more exciting than others but uh i have a feeling that the the rest of
9:35 the year will be as exciting as the early part of the summer was
9:40 well that is uh that is a very very uh
9:43 helpful clue for the viewers i think if
9:46 they if they know what was going on in the early part of the summer and it's
9:50 funny that you should mention that because i remember AMD saying something
9:53 along the lines of we are not releasing a new GPU architecture this year
10:00 and then um yeah they said that didn't they they sure they did say that they they did say
10:06 that um you know i think what they actually said at the
10:10 point at that point was that the there were rumors that a new GPU was
10:14 coming very soon and they said uh our product lineup is going to be stable
10:19 through 2013. you can you know you can pr speak that
10:23 in kind of any way you want right and then they kind of had a call and said well
10:27 i think at the end of the call they did kind of admit that there would be something before the end of the year
10:33 obviously they were very wishy-washy about it and after they made the
10:37 statement about stable throughout the year how many weeks was it or how many
10:41 days was it before they released 77.90 which was actually not quite based
10:46 on the same design as the previous gpus
10:50 right yeah i mean you're right it wasn't that
10:53 long and it it's it's a it's a it's a
10:56 it's a it's an interesting web they we they weave right all these companies
11:00 kind of do that and i think they were afraid of people assuming that you know
11:03 they were going to release new gpus in june or july and thus kind of killing
11:07 any possible sales in the march april may
11:10 time frame you know that's always what you gotta with any release of hardware
11:14 or gadgets or whatever you don't want people to know about the new one too
11:18 early otherwise they won't want to buy the old one that you have warehouses and
11:21 warehouses of which is funny because so many different
11:25 companies take such different approaches to this you look at Intel where their
11:30 road maps are i mean even general consumers reading reviews
11:35 on pc perspective or other hardware sites are going to know what's coming
11:38 for the next couple years um and then NVIDIA and AMD
11:43 like they hold their cards like close to their chest to the point where
11:48 is there a purpose well so Intel has that a capability
11:52 because they're such a the dominant player in the market right so um
11:56 they don't really have any real big competition from AMD in mobile or
12:01 desktop or you know uh all-in-one pcs and that kind of thing so
12:05 when when they think about their roadmap they can change it kind of however they
12:10 want and they're not going to be affected they're not going to get dinged in the market they're not going to get
12:13 you know dinged by well they might get dinged by enthusiasts but it's not really going to matter uh because
12:18 the the blip we make on their sales radar is relatively small so uh because
12:22 they don't have any real strong competition they don't worry if
12:27 AMD knows what they have planned whereas AMD uh and NVIDIA on the graphics side
12:32 definitely worry about what the other one has planned
12:35 that is a very good point you know what this wasn't on our live stream document
12:39 but i want to talk apu because these rumors have been swirling for a long
12:44 time and uh there was an article recently that was on a fairly
12:48 non-credible site i think it was a pc perspective or something like that no
12:52 just kidding it was different um that AMD is going to abandon the
12:58 high-end desktop CPU market
13:01 what do you make of this um it wouldn't really surprise me at all
13:06 because Intel tries to do that
13:10 every chance they get right so um
13:14 sandy bridgey has has been around for way too long ivy bridge is right around
13:17 the corner but ivy bridge e and sandy bridge these kind of high-end
13:21 workstation processors that enthusiasts buy into are
13:25 really just that their server and workstation parts that are kind of being
13:28 trimmed down there's i mean if you look at ivy bridge if you look at haswell
13:33 those parts really started like the 350 range and go down there's no real
13:38 high-end market in those what i would consider mainstream
13:41 processors at this point um AMD has a big disadvantage in terms of
13:46 performance in terms of efficiency their bulldozer architecture kind of flopped
13:51 miserably you know they i'm sure you guys talked about them when they released the 220 watt eight core
13:56 processor that ran at five gigahertz and
13:59 what kind of a joke that actually is that you
14:03 know it's a a thousand dollar AMD processor an 800 AMD processor that runs
14:08 at two times the thermal limit of an iv bridge or haswell that it can't really
14:12 keep up with in terms of performance so um you know AMD has brought in
14:17 re actually re-added some of their better engineers like top level
14:21 engineers on the CPU and the GPU side so i wouldn't really count them out 100 yet
14:26 but it's going to be at least you know 18 months 24 months or beyond before we
14:32 see a kind of turnaround it takes that long in the micro architecture world and it's
14:37 funny you mentioned that because we talk about AMD and NVIDIA jealously guarding
14:41 secrets from each other even down to things like the uh the day of a
14:46 particular launch when we're a month away but like you said adding a new
14:50 architecture to a team or adding a new architect to a team or
14:54 new engineers to a team um probably won't affect an actual product
14:59 until 18 to 24 months down the line so it really
15:03 raises the question why do they bother well so
15:07 obviously if they're doing that then they believe that there is still a market for discrete higher end
15:12 processors and i think what we're going to find is more of these overlaps are
15:15 going to occur with the server and workstation world there's not going to be any kind of dedicated desktop
15:20 processors i know everybody is afraid about the move of Intel to bga only
15:25 processors um and that's that's kind of an inevitable
15:29 outcome with these 200 and below
15:32 processors that's just the way the markets are going to work
15:36 well you look at the way they trim costs on a motherboard saving 32 cents
15:41 is actually a thing and you look at the cost of a socket if they could stop
15:46 putting a socket on a board i think both Intel and the motherboard manufacturers
15:51 would be giving it the old thumbs up well i think the motherboard manufacturers will hate it because they
15:56 are now responsible then for twice the the product rma right so if a processor
16:01 has an issue they're now responsible for returning that replacing it and all that
16:06 kind of stuff uh it also means they have to have if they want to even attempt to
16:11 offer the same amount of choice they're going to have to drastically increase
16:14 their skew count right so if you get like an ASUS z87 pro motherboard now you
16:19 want it do you want it with the high-end processor the mid-range processor the
16:22 low-end processor i'm going to play devil's advocate here
16:26 and i'm going to throw this at you because having worked in retail i've
16:29 seen a pretty good cross-section of rma percentages and cpus are
16:35 like one in a thousand maybe motherboards are a whole heck of a lot
16:40 more than that so i would actually argue that the CPU
16:44 defects rate will affect motherboard
16:48 rmas less than end user error installing
16:51 cpus into sockets which i've seen a lot of yeah i mean that that's you know
16:55 that's that's entirely possible i guess because
16:59 i well i know for a fact that motherboard vendors hated it when am or
17:02 when Intel removed the pens from the processor and put them on
17:05 the uh the socket themselves and that was kind of everybody took it
17:10 as Intel kind of given the finger to the board vendors and say well if you still
17:13 want to play in our ecosystem you kind of have to do what we want to do so yeah
17:16 i i can see that point of view that that it would actually lower rmas on that
17:20 product as a whole but it still would be a kind of pricing and skewing issue that
17:25 uh Intel would essentially be shipping off to their their board partners they
17:29 probably just have to have less skus like the pro board might come with one
17:33 or two different options and that'll be that and i think honestly it's going to
17:36 cause more problems for the retailers than it will necessarily for the board
17:40 makers because you have to stock so much more stuff and the product managers are
17:44 going to have to be so much more educated than they used to be you can't
17:47 just kind of you know be a machine ordering every
17:51 board ordering every CPU and then just kind of watching what customers buy and
17:55 replenishing as needed you'll have to actually make intelligent choices about
17:59 um and at the product management level both at the manufacturer and at the
18:03 retailer where they have to decide what the end user will probably want
18:07 because sometimes it's not that predictable yeah like i'd put together
18:11 bundles sometimes sort of on a whim oh i
18:14 need a i need to fill up like a fourth bundle spot
18:17 and then that would be the one that would sell and i'd be floored
18:23 unless it's like uh sabre who said 77 and 35 70k then you know that'll do well
18:30 yes and i mean that's another argument for bga because if you paired a sabretooth
18:35 z87 with a 4670k i mean ryan how many people do you think are buying a
18:39 different CPU with that board
18:42 i i honestly don't know i would assume it's not that many right so the the the
18:46 Intel kind of lineup is is fairly
18:49 modest as it is now uh in terms of what parts diy guys are
18:54 actually picking up i'm sure um it's just it's i think when this happens you
18:59 will see people leave the motherboard business
19:02 that aren't giant players already
19:06 what do you think about that um
19:10 i i guess this is it's gonna sound bad i'm okay with that right you know
19:14 they're they're all compare the number of motherboard manufacturers today to what they were
19:18 five ten years ago let's go 10 years ago um and
19:26 um dfi was a big player all these guys that
19:30 used to try to make enthusiasts uh diy parts a lot of them are gone and we're
19:34 really kind of left with a handful ASUS Gigabyte MSI
19:39 um you know you've got others like asrock and evga that are still in there that
19:43 are doing interesting things but it's it's really down to a couple of main
19:47 players but i wouldn't it wouldn't surprise me now Intel's let uh gone
19:50 essentially from that market they're not building boards on their own anymore uh
19:55 that you would kind of really be left with like evie or ASUS and Gigabyte
19:59 maybe that's it right you know you just never know
20:03 fascinating so i'd like to take this opportunity for a moment to uh ask you
20:07 guys to direct some twitter questions to
20:10 ryan we're gonna do a twitter blitz with him before he has to leave us again he
20:14 apparently has to sleep because he's he's weak unlike the rest of us nerds
20:19 yeah i heard you i heard you bashing me earlier for that it's not it's not
20:23 it's not to sleep so much as it is um my
20:26 wife would like to see me on friday i guess is what it comes down to your wife
20:31 actually wants to spend time with you yeah i know it's kind of different it's
20:35 kind of different but you know i i do i do late shows on
20:40 wednesdays and late shows on thursdays and and it's uh it's easier that way
20:44 speaking of which do take this time to pimp your podcast and anything else that
20:49 you think people should definitely pay attention to you on twitter guys you
20:53 need to follow ryan on twitter at pc per but uh ryan tell them a little bit about
20:58 what you do if they don't already know i just kind of came into this with that
21:01 assumption sure uh so pcpur.com is the
21:04 website we do hardware reviews of processors motherboards graphics cards
21:09 uh we do some laptops and some tablets and all that other uh hardware and
21:13 gadgety type stuff we've been doing this for a long time i think it was stuck on
21:17 the phone with somebody i've been doing this for over 13 years almost 14 years
21:21 now yeah you're old man i am trust me
21:24 i'm 31 and i feel like i'm 51 when i see
21:28 how how many people move around in this industry as it is um but pcp.com is the
21:33 website we do a lot of cool stuff there we have our podcast uh which you can get
21:37 access to either the rss or the videos or the audio files at pcper.com
21:42 podcast we record that on wednesday nights um
21:45 live as well i think we have our own pcp.com live channel too so if anybody's
21:50 interested just go to pc pro.com we've got a schedule on the right hand side
21:53 for all of our live events and then all of our reviews
21:56 and articles are obviously throughout the website in fact that was how ryan
22:00 and i met was he invited me to be a guest on the pc per podcast which i
22:04 would of course be happy to do again for you man so uh cool
22:08 definitely throwing that out there he hasn't invited me back though
22:15 i just want more people to see my face everywhere on the internet please ryan
22:20 well see here you don't even i i'm left to a caricature of myself
22:24 in the middle
22:28 i like the artwork with the coloring with the green and the kind of matches the sight design i don't know if that
22:32 was on purpose but i like that my guy is awesome uh that's actually diesel the
22:36 intern is the the guy who does all of our graphics and all that cool stuff and
22:40 i think he did a fantastic job it's definitely on purpose it's an intense
22:44 that's an intense photo of me that's from uh that's from quakecon that i was
22:47 at just a couple weeks ago i think that's the only still photo of him i
22:51 have ever seen no there's one other one is there yeah
22:57 there are some funny ones going around uh there's one from quakecon where somebody i'm wearing uh flashing red
23:02 cooler master uh kanye west glasses and there's a guy in a horse mask behind me
23:08 so look for that excellent
23:11 so speaking of uh kanye west let's talk
23:15 about one of the big things that pc per has been doing that has sort of uh
23:20 rubbed people the wrong way but unlike kanye west has caused some
23:25 definite positive change in the industry and of course i want to talk about AMD's
23:32 new frame pacing driver
23:35 yeah what do you want to know it's it's much better
23:41 thanks man so uh basically here we go this is one of the articles on pcpur.com
23:46 guys definitely check it out if you search for a frame rating catalyst 13.8
23:52 um if you could summarize this in a nutshell give us kind of the story what
23:56 you found out what you reported back to AMD what they said to you and what
24:01 eventually came out as
24:04 13.8 so the the drama has been going on for a
24:08 long time right where we discovered that
24:13 AMD's multi-GPU technology
24:17 has been producing some awkward results uh hard work is one way of
24:21 putting it bad they're very they're they're bad results you were getting much lower
24:25 observed frame rates than what you would
24:28 appear to be getting when you looked at benchmark numbers and fraps and in most reviews
24:32 and uh that was you know we we kind of we worked out a new benchmarking system
24:37 where we're actually capturing the output directly from the graphics card
24:40 uh and then doing post-processing analyzation analyzation rather on that
24:45 data and it took a long time right so the
24:48 idea of micro stuttering the idea that people who for years and years really
24:53 have felt that you know when i am running multiple gpus it doesn't feel as
24:57 smooth sometimes as when i'm running on a single GPU and that was almost as far
25:03 as the anal analyzing got because it was impossible to
25:07 quantify it in any meaningful way because and there was so much
25:11 fun yeah sorry yeah there was i mean you
25:14 went on any forum and there was a dozen
25:17 people saying this and a dozen people saying that and no one agreed with
25:22 anyone right and everybody said some people said oh i don't see it and some
25:25 people said it's it's horrendous i cannot play
25:28 on an uh sli or crossfire system and
25:32 that went on basically since the reintroduction of multi-GPU into the
25:36 world of pc enthusiasts um and so the the advent of this what we
25:40 call frame rating which is the ability to capture the output directly i mean
25:44 the amount of data that this requires is tremendous if we capture 2560 by 1440 at
25:50 60 hertz essentially emulating a display we're
25:53 talking about 400 to 425 megabytes per
25:56 second of right that we have to you know get into a storage system to get raw raw
26:02 data out of it and sustainable if you drop one frame you have to throw the
26:05 whole thing away correct right if you miss if you miss one frame all the data
26:09 he did was wrong so it took us a while to figure out the right hardware
26:12 combination and software combination and get that to work but we have done it and
26:15 what we did over several over several months and several articles was show
26:19 here's where AMD is faulting their their
26:22 their crossfire is not balanced it's not pacing the frames out in a in a
26:26 comfortable way that makes the animation smooth on the screen and AMD
26:32 at first fought back about it uh and then slowly you know how you have like
26:36 those five stages of acceptance right so you can move in and you're angry at
26:41 first and then your denial yeah yeah you deny it and
26:45 they eventually accepted it and they started work on a new driver and this
26:50 was not a a minor task they had to rewrite much of their catalyst
26:56 software stack in order to get this to work so they spent a lot of time and they put
27:00 a lot of effort into getting this fixed and with the catalyst 13.8 beta they
27:05 essentially have been able to in my opinion they
27:08 haven't made it as good as what NVIDIA has done with their frame pacing but
27:12 it's close enough that for the very specific situations
27:18 i would consider crossfire to be a fixed
27:22 problem andy when i started my honest
27:25 situations are single monitor
27:30 uh attachment oh hold on ryan we're dropping uh we're
27:34 dropping some frames on the stream here let's just see if uh it has to do with
27:38 that sorry um so i think we're back now it looks like
27:42 we're not dropping any frames and uh okay here we go starting voice
27:47 chat and bringing ryan back to the show
27:52 nope no well we're trying to bring ryan back to the show okay let's go ahead and
27:56 give this one more try here man i love this show anything can happen
28:02 you never know what's gonna happen in theory we've got like news and uh
28:08 we should be wgh live what's gonna happen live yeah
28:12 like it could be absolutely anything oh apparently oh ryan schroed is calling
28:17 me yo dawg hey that sounds like a connection again
28:22 all right okay so let's look okay let's go to mine
28:26 and ryan's conversation apparently that's what we're gonna go to let's go
28:29 let's go to uh here we go this
28:33 okay so you were telling us about how AMD's drivers basically were not up to
28:38 snuff the observed frame rate was much lower and they pretty much rewrote a
28:42 huge part of their catalyst driver to release 13.8 and this is a graph from
28:47 pcpur.com tell us about this
28:51 so what used to happen before
28:54 is that your framing is reported
29:01 hold on audio quality is uh deciding that it hates its life here
29:06 we're not dropping any frames on the stream yet but uh
29:10 let's oh we're dropping frames yeah okay we're
29:15 done and we're back with reduced stream
29:19 quality again which is a most excellent
29:23 thing so ryan let's pick up where we left off tell us about this graph
29:28 right here to my camera right
29:33 so uh what the what the graph used to tell us before the 13.8 driver
29:38 is that there was a difference between what fraps would see
29:42 in terms of performance and what our observed frame rate would see in terms
29:45 of performance and our observed frame rate took things out that were we
29:50 considered to call runt frames frames that were too small to really matter or
29:54 drop frames that obviously never show up on the screen well fraps sees things
29:57 differently than what you do when you actually capture the video directly so
30:02 um what 13.8 does it implements
30:05 something called frame pacing when you have two gpus
30:09 rather than immediately
30:12 tell each GPU to render the next frame
30:15 as soon as the next one's done what you do is you kind of you watch what the
30:19 pattern of frames are doing how long it takes each frame
30:22 to render and you kind of adjust the time a little bit here and there you
30:26 maybe pause a little bit before you send the data from the game engine to the
30:30 next uh or for the next frame to the next GPU so
30:34 that you get an even distribution of frames both being rendered and thus
30:39 being displayed on the screen at the same time and it's a it's more of an art
30:43 than a science as it turns out because there's so much that happens
30:48 between the game engine directx the GPU driver and then the GPU hardware itself
30:53 um so it it it's it's it's kind of something that
30:58 it took a long time for them to be able to get right or close enough to write
31:02 and as i was saying earlier like the 13.8 driver is a big enough step forward
31:07 that i'm comfortable saying that AMD has fixed it for
31:11 single monitor configurations so if you have a 1920x1080 screen or a 2560x4
31:19 resolution monitor and you have crossfire 7970s or 7870s or you have one
31:24 of the 7990s then i think that what AMD has done has
31:28 improved things enough for me to start recommending those configurations again
31:33 i should also note it doesn't fix dx9 games the only fixes dx 10 and 11.
31:38 um that was more of a time issue for them i guess but dx9 games
31:43 we'll go ahead and give them the benefit of the doubt that um those tend to be
31:47 lower demanding on your graphics cards so you know if
31:51 they had to put priorities someplace dx 10 and 11 make sense
31:55 yeah and it's it's not like that might come out when this isn't in beta anymore
32:00 or something that could be a future feature i mean with that said witcher 2
32:03 is directx 9 yep so yeah still pretty
32:07 important and but like i said like it still could come
32:11 the other thing that i think is worth noting is
32:15 this does not improve ifinity configurations at all
32:20 so if you are a user that has a triple monitor setup for gaming it's it's very
32:26 likely then that you will also have a crossfire configuration of some kind uh
32:30 and this this current driver does not fix that
32:34 AMD has said that they're working on improving that and getting that fixed
32:38 address to those resolutions as well but i don't have a timetable for it and
32:43 i don't really have a whole lot of confidence they'll get that in place
32:47 like before their next GPU launch even
32:51 right so actually that was uh that was one of those next things i was going to
32:55 say is how important was the timing for AMD to get this driver fix for them to
33:01 have a really compelling story around their upcoming gpus because for a long
33:06 time they had that timer on their website uh AMD world's fastest graphics
33:11 card for however long running for them to be able to realistically claim a
33:15 crown like that it can't be like world's fastest graphics card asterisk if you
33:21 run at this particular resolution with this particular configuration in this
33:24 particular
33:28 the the issue i had with that claim because the 790 launched the middle of
33:33 all this commotion right so when 79.90 7990k mount
33:38 uh it obviously depends on crossfire to function a better than a single radio
33:43 hd7970 so that claims the world's fastest graphics
33:48 i kind of hadn't laughed at it and it is if you look at 3d marks and if you look at
33:53 fraps and you're not looking at kind of the experience of playing the game then
33:56 those claims could be made realistically uh but
34:01 the truth is it wasn't until this driver came out that i didn't think they had a realistic
34:06 option of digging that claim but uh the
34:09 world of reality in the world of public relations and marketing and advertising
34:14 are very different uh and not just in computer hardware but
34:17 in most of the things that we're involved with in our life uh right so it
34:21 didn't it didn't surprise me although it did
34:24 i think uh getting a lot of flack for in the in the online community and on
34:29 forums and stuff like that from articles like mine that pointed out those flaws
34:33 all right well you sound like you're on auto-tune uh speaking of kanye west
34:38 again because i think we're at the very limit of what our connection can sustain
34:42 right now i am very envious of you for
34:45 even having the opportunity to pay however much too much you're paying for
34:50 30 30 fiber because i think it's time for us to move in that direction i guess
34:55 we'll have to let you go because we apparently can't do voice and video at
34:58 the same time right now but thank you ryan um
35:02 once again guys oh sorry go ahead absolutely and uh if you guys
35:08 we can try to get another week it's not gonna be a deal once uh you get the
35:11 internet figured out and uh i'd love to come on and talk about these issues and
35:15 more when we know more about next reviews that are coming up in cpus as
35:19 well all right why don't we schedule you intentively for after AMD releases their
35:24 new graphics cards i'm really sorry to the viewers as well as you ryan because
35:28 i really had a few more topics that i wanted to touch on with you that i
35:31 thought you were going to have some great contributions to um so once again
35:35 guys ryan from pc per who talks like a
35:40 robot a little a little bit more cuts in there but that was pretty good
35:47 thanks ryan thanks
35:50 he really does sound like he's on auto tune
35:53 okay so hopefully this can hold all right hopefully hopefully ryan's
35:58 wife is okay with us taking up far too much of his time here tonight
36:03 and can i just yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah nuke that all
36:07 right so back to the regular show here
36:12 guys i'm sorry we weren't able to do some of the twitter questions for ryan
36:16 uh due to the technical difficulties with our internet connection we're gonna
36:19 get in touch with our provider and see if we can get some kind of white list
36:23 thing going on or we a callback i'm scheduled on a callback so
36:27 i might be running at some point but yeah all right so yeah they don't like
36:32 how much bandwidth we're eating right now no let's jump into the dangers of
36:37 online impersonation yeah which i think was an article by you and this is
36:41 awesome this is freaking amazing so this
36:45 website is actually um like a buddy of mine from
36:49 the industry's website i'm not going to name any names he actually recently left
36:53 the company he was at and it's just like his personal site and i really hope it
36:59 loads for me it's i'll i'm just gonna i'm just gonna stop i'm just gonna shut
37:03 my computer down
37:07 apparently we can't even load a website
37:10 in addition to what we're streaming right now like we
37:13 are at the very limits of what our internet connection can do
37:18 which is phenomenally disappointing if you can
37:21 hold i'm just going to go around and turn off everything in the house yeah just just just do it hit everything
37:27 um there's another thing uh anyways
37:33 all right cool
37:41 our bit rate ain't uh ain't even that high there guys
37:46 we we're not we're not asking for that much we're trying to load a page that is
37:50 all text right now
37:56 i'm gonna take a sip of water calm my nerves
38:02 i'm gonna like shut off wi-fi on my phone
38:05 okay everything in the house is off or
38:08 not connected to our internet at all except for the server which i'm assuming
38:13 you don't want me to do your laptop in that computer
38:16 all right
38:19 yeah um no so
38:22 there's a few topics that i can probably do without the pages
38:27 if you can tweet the urls maybe from your phone through
38:31 we can get people to see the pages that way all right and i won't turn on my
38:35 computer but if you can bring me to the dock all right a little bit of a cool which
38:39 urls do you want all right so there's grand theft auto online
38:43 and civilization online are two things that were very recently launched
38:48 let's talk civ online because i want them to be able to watch the trailer
38:51 with us optimally okay so is sieve online even in here
38:54 save online is not in here but i was going to do it as a combo topic with
38:58 grand theft auto of course you were um i find it interesting that these companies
39:02 like civilization sid meier civilization um are releasing dlcs and planning new
39:07 releases for their single-player games
39:10 um that have maybe a multiplayer component but then are also releasing an
39:14 online version like a non-numbered iteration online
39:17 version of their game so gta 5 is coming out soon
39:21 but then all these announcements about gta online
39:25 it's just kind of weird it's it's interesting market position um
39:30 it looks very different gta online is sandboxy like gta 5
39:36 but there's a lot of you can make your own little like combat levels
39:41 and you can customize is it just combat levels
39:44 all right here we go 3g to the rescue
39:49 and here it is folks so this is the gta online trailer which looks absolutely
39:55 amazing
40:02 rockstar games is looking to bring the heart of the grand theft auto experience
40:06 to a living online world with multiple players
40:11 just what you choose to do in that world is up to you
40:14 we're back at even lower quality
40:18 so there you go guys back to the
40:21 gta trailer that we left off on here
40:28 i'm going to try pressing that again
40:32 so you can you can rob liquor stores this is like a classic online
40:37 multiplayer gamepl
40:52 uh left me wondering about is can you like be a cop real money maybe
40:57 you can buy interesting i doubt it but interesting
41:02 so here's just someone's like cool pad and here's someone's like cool garage
41:06 with cool cars in it so they've got racing game elements
41:10 FPS game elements flying game elements
41:14 what appears to be like riptide like
41:18 sort of helps you progress
41:22 they're going to have everything my one thing is i hope they make it big enough
41:26 because this gta online there's going to be a million people actually more than
41:30 that trying to play well they claim that they're going to be constantly expanding
41:35 the game world yeah i just hope they start with it expanded enough because
41:40 there's gonna be a huge rush of people they've got a map editor where they're
41:43 saying they'll allow you to build your own levels and your own uh challenges
41:47 and stuff like that and it looks like a very solid map editing
41:57 so there you have it guys gta online so you were tying this into civilization
42:02 online i just i find it interesting that games
42:06 we saw this a while back and it didn't really take and now it's kind of
42:09 happening again where games are trying to release the like uh online
42:13 nomenclature on the end of their game just release it and go with it
42:16 but i think it can actually work this time before the infrastructure wasn't really
42:20 there now it is i think this gta maybe
42:24 civilization but gta more i think can actually run with this and have their
42:28 more single players super graphics super heavy
42:32 uh modifiable everything because the modding community behind gta 4 is insane
42:37 some of the screenshots for gta 4 are just nuts
42:41 and really really heavy single player storyline but then also have gta online
42:46 i think it's a really good move it's interesting but i think it's a really good move
42:50 so civilization 5 online or civilization
42:54 online or whatever you want to call it because this would be civilization six
42:58 by this point it it would be civilization six if that's what you
43:01 called it but then it it acts differently because you can like it is much more
43:07 online than civilization five is cause civilization is one of the worst
43:11 multiplayer experiences ever i mean i've been trying to get a civilization
43:16 online game completed since like civ 2 test of time
43:21 they have they have a freaking option so that you can have it so it sends out an
43:25 email when it's someone's turn so they can log in and then do their
43:29 turn and then people can wait so it's going to be more like words with friends
43:33 no i'm talking about uh five to five oh the existing like
43:37 yeah the newer one is supposed to be a perpetual environment which is
43:40 interesting i just and i think this might fix their whole awkward online
43:44 situation that they've had for a long time so it's going to be real time game
43:49 because you'd lose a lot of the civilization
43:53 you have your like okay i i don't know if there's not enough
43:56 information out there yet or i just haven't been able to find it but you have your kind of perpetual main city
44:00 and then you can make expansions and push out and those can be destroyed but
44:04 i think your means that you can't hmm although i could definitely be wrong
44:08 someone correct me on twitter which i can't check but yes do so i will get
44:13 that later yeah
44:17 all right well that's uh that's kind of exciting speaking of extremely
44:22 crazy exciting trailers guys
44:25 check this out
44:29 so if any children are watching stop yes
44:33 and there's a bunch of like awards and whatnot so this is the
44:36 uh this is the witcher 3 trailer
44:44 by order of the emperor of nilfgaard for the murder of the wounded loading
44:49 okay i gotta stop this for a second did you just call it milf guard
44:57 they're trying to protect their women
45:01 cannibalism you are hereby sentenced to death by
45:05 hanging okay now hold on a second
45:09 they call the place milf guard and then they're sentencing this woman
45:14 to death by hanging i mean are they guarding them
45:19 mind you she's not even that old anyway
45:22 dormant
45:33 don't meddle take the reward and let's go
45:42 knew you witches wouldn't score an imperial goal
45:54 evil is evil lesser greater middling
45:58 makes no
46:09 the degree is arbitrary the definitions blurred if i'm to choose between one
46:14 evil and another i'd rather not choose it all
46:19 just make it quick
46:32 i bet she doesn't close her eyes
46:52 what are you doing killing monsters
46:57 all right so that was kind of the punch line there killing monsters and there's
47:00 a big and we're hopefully back so uh
47:05 anyway guys our isp says through twitter
47:08 that they are not throttling us we have no idea what else it would be
47:13 um however we'll give them the benefit of the doubt maybe they're not i don't
47:16 know but it looks an awful lot like that because as soon as we start streaming up
47:21 our internet connection goes into the toilet
47:25 and decides to it works
47:28 it works but it's very poorly very very very slow you guys saw what the symptoms
47:33 looked like so what would happen was uh ryan's voice communication with us would
47:37 get very garbled but things are getting through until it
47:41 screeches to a halt so it really feels like it whatever's being done is uh
47:48 is whatever i i really i really can't
47:51 think of anything else that would cause something like this Linus even started
47:54 doing his laptop off 3g instead of our wi-fi so the only computer in the entire
47:58 house running off the internet was this desktop
48:01 so we'll have a look uh shaw is telling the people that tweet them about me
48:07 being throttled that i should direct message them and they'll get it
48:10 addressed so i have direct message them hopefully they'll get it addressed
48:13 hopefully we won't go down again so let's just keep this rolling so good
48:17 trailer or bad trailer the witcher 3 wild hunt trailer i think it was a
48:22 good trailer okay but do you even know what you're
48:25 going to drink because there was no in-game material
48:29 whatsoever that's why i said it depends what you're looking for okay
48:33 there's a difference between an in-game trailer and a hype trailer this was a hype trailer i personally like in-game
48:38 trailers more but still appreciate height trailers i just wish they would
48:41 have released an in-game trailer first cause the grand theft auto online
48:45 trailer pretty much sold that game to anyone who watched it yep whereas the
48:49 witchers because what's the difference between hype and
48:53 selling the game like it's still selling the game though but
48:58 okay it's drawing well okay it's drawing interest to it now everyone knows
49:02 everyone's seen this video now it's been around so much it's been tweeted around
49:05 so much now they're interested now hopefully they'll get off their butts and release
49:09 a gameplay trailer fast enough and that will sell people i mean here's my
49:13 problem too like i actually like i didn't play through a huge part of the
49:17 campaign or anything but i've got a few hours on witcher 2. i've got
49:21 i think around five or six hours on witcher one like i played through some
49:26 they didn't tuck me in at all and that trailer looked
49:30 absolutely nothing like witcher gameplay yeah nothing what what i liked about
49:35 witcher 1 was the insane amount of customization
49:38 stuff and these same amount of things that you had to do depending on who you were fighting
49:42 um but didn't find the rest of it very engaging so didn't keep playing i could
49:46 tell that it was a good game i just ah i just wanted to do other things and
49:50 then witcher 2 i got to this like port city
49:54 yeah and was just like what do i do this
49:58 isn't sandbox enough that i can do anything i want but then it's
50:01 not straight line enough that i have no idea what i'm supposed to be doing right
50:05 now which was i don't know i could have looked it up
50:08 but i was like man i'm just gonna go do other stuff
50:12 right so i don't know i guess we'll uh
50:15 we'll see but i i mean from my perspective as much as i enjoy watching
50:20 these cinematic trailers like the dead island trailer oh my goodness that was
50:25 awesome but that's the point of hype trailer like hype trailer is still interesting
50:29 it's like i still remember that yeah never was even tempted for a second to
50:32 buy the game especially once i heard how terrible it was yeah
50:36 you're talking about the super slo-mo one where everything's going backwards and the zombies there's the daughter and
50:41 she flies out the window yeah yeah outstanding so good that's one of the
50:45 few trailers that i remember the whole thing of never bought the game never played it but the thing is they have to
50:50 continue it you have to roll off of a hype trailer so you release a hype
50:53 trailer then you have to release other stuff release like a little bit of gameplay
50:58 like uh battlefield they released some hype stuff and then
51:01 they released the like 14 minutes of gameplay or whatever it was okay that
51:05 was smart that was battlefield 4. so good timing would be gamescom go to
51:09 actually totally the gameplay that would be perfect if
51:12 they do that that would be like a very very good transition
51:16 i hope they do that okay so that would probably they'll
51:20 probably be about the right time for that cd project's an awesome company city project red is just great so i just
51:25 i hope they do it all right so let's move into our next
51:29 topic which is google blocks the Windows phone youtube
51:34 app so google is claiming that microsoft didn't follow their guidelines
51:40 their guidelines sounded pretty uh douche baggy to me
51:46 so i i actually didn't really like the verges coverage of this particular uh
51:50 this particular thing however here's the link to theverge.com google blocks
51:54 microsoft's new youtube Windows phone app so here's the basic story um google
51:59 has said we're not going to build a youtube app for Windows phone eight
52:04 okay so microsoft's all like okay well we'll make one yeah at our own
52:08 expense just give us you know
52:12 access to the API let us do these things um so then microsoft released one that
52:17 was actually pretty excellent there wasn't very many
52:20 errors with it until google dropped the
52:24 well hold on no micros google made them pull the first one
52:27 first okay so yeah okay so microsoft broke a couple of google's rules um so
52:33 it allowed downloading videos and it also didn't display any ads
52:38 okay so google wasn't super thrilled about that not surprising they're all
52:42 like well no um stop that and we need you guys to
52:46 integrate support for ads and you need to remove that functionality where
52:50 people can download videos so microsoft is all like okay
52:54 back to the drawing board we're gonna go ahead and do those things and hey we're
52:58 gonna add the functionality to upload videos while we're at it so they
53:02 re-released it and google has pulled it
53:05 again and they just dropped API so all these people that are
53:10 using it it just randomly stops working yeah um and what they're claiming is
53:16 that microsoft's implementation
53:19 and microsoft actually has an awesome
53:23 like awesome public letter right now to
53:26 google where they basically are like yo dawg you didn't build html5 versions
53:33 of your youtube app for iOS or Android
53:36 in fact behind closed doors you've agreed with us that html5 is more of a
53:44 long-term goal and in the meantime we
53:47 have to have something to give our users so that's why we did it this way um
53:53 you know i thought your whole business model was you want people using your services not
53:58 that you're going to try to differentiate your platform Android
54:02 based on allowing people to access youtube
54:06 through an app i heard slightly i heard that but in way more vague terms
54:12 which is it's interesting to hear that but was that in a different article uh
54:15 that was in microsoft's uh open letter like just microsoft's open later okay
54:19 cool because i heard just statements of google being like oh you didn't follow
54:22 our guidelines for the back end that's what i heard not
54:26 you had to make it html5 that's really interesting oh no their letter is
54:30 fantastic i absolutely love it let me just uh
54:34 let me just pull up a link yeah microsoft is hoping that a public
54:38 message detailing the industries the uh the injustices here it is they call it
54:44 the limits of google's openness
54:49 you may be one so this is from their corporate vp and deputy general counsel
54:52 litigation and antitrust microsoft wow
54:56 oh yeah no this is not like engineers like firing shots across each other's
55:01 bows this is this is the big dogs getting involved here
55:05 so this gives the whole history of what went on and also says uh google raises
55:11 concerns about their branding the funny thing about this point is we've been
55:14 using the same branding since 2010 for an inferior youtube app now that we have
55:18 an app that gives users a fuller youtube experience all of a sudden they object
55:22 to the branding finally google cites a degraded experience since 2010 google
55:26 has been permitting a way worse one and
55:30 reviews of our new app are unanimous that the experience is much improved
55:33 we're committed to continuing to make adjustments if google were truly
55:37 concerned about a degraded experience experience
55:41 it would allow our users to access the new youtube app that they love
55:45 we think it's clear that google just doesn't want Windows phone users to have
55:49 the same experience as apple and Android users the the statement from before
55:54 where they're questioning google's openness
55:57 that's very interesting because you you know they're like 20 campaign that they
56:01 had going on are we dropped
56:04 apparently we're not down i can still hear us okay so what i was
56:08 going to talk about apparently we're a podcast now that sounds good to me um
56:15 google's 20 thing where they they would they would let employees spend one day
56:18 of their week working on side projects whatever they wanted to do and then
56:22 there was the google Labs project where you could see all these little random
56:25 side projects and some of them turned into big things like there was a i think
56:28 google plus started as one of the lab projects i believe i'm
56:32 not entirely sure it says that word streaming however we dropped frames
56:37 immediately so we're back potentially at
56:40 240p
56:45 we've got people asking all kinds of inane questions on twitch chat no we're
56:49 not uploading videos right now separately on the connection because we
56:53 aren't stupid and
56:57 yeah definitely not i individually went around the entire office and shut off
57:01 everything like every computer in the house is off even my laptop is tethered
57:07 to my phone at of course a much higher expense
57:11 than uh a landline which should in theory be giving me a
57:15 reasonably decent connection
57:18 all right so we're back at 240p
57:22 boom let's see here we come yeah i know right
57:27 what were we even talking about i had segued us into google
57:32 changing their whole idea because for the longest point in time google was
57:35 this super open company yes that shared everything with everyone tried to make
57:39 everything free who's here i had probably b-roll okay uh
57:44 shared everything with everyone try to make everything free and was just
57:48 making all this money but giving everything out which was interesting
57:51 cool and it worked and then now they seem to be back bending down the hatches
57:55 closing everything down and just totally not being the nice open
57:59 nice and big quotes there um program or
58:02 company that we've known them for so one of the big things that notified this was
58:06 the putting more wood behind fewer aerialist comment by their new ceo yeah
58:10 ceo and getting rid of Labs and getting
58:14 potentially getting rumored to be getting rid of or already gotten rid of
58:18 the 20 program where employees had one day of their five-day work week to just
58:22 work on side projects right so side projects are not really a thing
58:27 anymore they're going to stay focused on the big biz stuff like self-driving cars
58:31 or whatever else in case maybe put all their employees behind it and
58:34 work five days a week on that and maybe not really help a lot of people
58:40 like microsoft to develop their own app all right so let's go into one of the
58:44 topics that i really wanted to do earlier and got cut off and i i really
58:48 don't think you guys are even gonna be able to read this i'm just gonna like
58:51 blow this up as big as possible here so
58:54 this is the double-edged sword that is using social media to communicate with
59:00 your customers so
59:03 bruno payne tweets at united airlines
59:07 note the misspelling there the united airlines staff at gate c8 in
59:12 the airport whatever that is are a complete disrespect hashtag news that
59:18 just goes along so well with this uh profile picture right here they are a
59:22 complete disrespect so let's go ahead
59:25 and move down united airlines says count your blessings at jfk they throw knives
59:32 to which bruno replies is that supposed to be funny
59:35 at jetblue for one takes tweets regarding their company sirius might
59:39 want to take some tips no it's a very serious warning we accidentally hired
59:43 bounty hunters to run that desk and now we can't stop them
59:48 michael tweets for those following i'm still stuck at buffalo at united
59:52 airlines thanks for trying to fight the weather you're doing well here at united
59:56 airlines we strive to not let a little thing like the fury of god prevent us
59:59 from delivering tolerable service
60:03 yes they're horrible in my experience and i avoid them if possible in our
60:06 defense it says on our website that we do not carry the equipment on domestic
60:10 flights to cater to nerds shout out for stranding my wife at ywg
60:14 for nearly 12 hours for a short flight to chicago excellent service after the
60:17 first six hours she technically belonged to us you're just lucky we met our
60:21 monthly quota so this is amazing so this is just a
60:27 completely fake parody airline account um
60:31 so this this guy found out that for
60:34 months angry customers had been tweeting it and says god has given me a great
60:40 beautiful funnel through which angry people flow in the worst possible mood
60:44 this is comedy gold i absolutely loved it
60:49 what is the recourse
60:53 for someone like united airlines how do they prevent this from happening
60:58 you have to go through the very few amount of tools that are even available
61:01 to you one of which is the official little check mark thing but you can't
61:05 even apply for that i can't even yes verified by twitter
61:10 is not an application process they have to reach out to you so i can't even
61:15 apply so if someone else made at linustick
61:19 for example on twitter i'm sure there's going to be a dozen of them now
61:22 but if someone made that Linus tick on twitter there's nothing i can do
61:26 to redirect people to the correct twitter account use your same photo same
61:30 background it's way too easy it's way too easy
61:37 i i find it hilarious but it's also worrisome at the same time now that you
61:41 brought up like the possibility of Linus tick yep
61:44 so i mean this is a and i mean i think this is this is something that everyone
61:48 needs to be aware of i mean i wish twitter would take account takedowns
61:52 more seriously it is extreme like i tried to um
61:56 i tried to take over at Linus tech tips
61:59 or at Linus sebastian or something like that where it was an obvious
62:03 uh twitter account's water and they basically said
62:08 no no nothing we can do so i don't even
62:12 know what united airlines is recourse would be because i mean they're
62:15 obviously they're united airlines so they're kind of a big deal so there
62:18 might be something we can do about it but it's not in twitter's terms of service
62:22 to deal with something like that so i think twitter needs to be aware of this
62:26 i think companies need to be aware of this and almost need to keep an eye out
62:30 proactively for companies that are impersonating them and i think customers
62:34 need to be aware of this because just because you're tweeting someone who
62:39 might look like they represent the company that mistreated you or
62:43 didn't mistreat you or whatever
62:46 happened that doesn't mean that that's what's going on nope
62:51 and there's atlantis to it there's a outline this twit oh that doesn't even
62:55 look new no i don't think it is actually outlandish so it's like korean or
62:59 something awesome um but yeah like
63:02 there's not a lot they can do and even okay if they get the account closed look
63:05 how much damage has been done already and then there's probably going to be
63:09 more i don't know were we actually online
63:12 when we talked about the call of duty ghosts trailer i have no idea i don't
63:16 know anymore either i think we were
63:20 all right so i'm going to load up this other article here this is pretty crazy
63:24 so this is like crazy as balls
63:27 a high-end flip phone
63:32 go ahead so this was posted by no treble on the forum the original sources end
63:36 gadget uh let me find my notes here real quick
63:40 so it features a micro sd slot two sim cards which is
63:45 cool maybe it's going to be destined for china or maybe it'll be somewhere else
63:50 entirely it's it's Android 4.1
63:53 bound on a 1.2 gigahertz quad-core CPU
63:57 and the outer screen has three touchscreen buttons on it it's it's a
64:00 flip phone even the article that he links or his article i think actually
64:05 not even the article that he likes yeah no his his post is asking is this
64:11 regression or progression like are we going backwards are we going forwards
64:15 like it's not very clear on this one all right
64:19 okay so hold on so two three and a half 3.3 inch 320 by
64:24 480 touch displays which is actually not a bad pixel density nope and there so
64:28 there's one when it's closed which is kind of weird for a flip phone and then
64:32 there's one when it's open so you have access to the full keyboard
64:36 5 megapixel rear camera so it's not great but not terrible it's certainly
64:40 not 14 megapixel okay so it's not a high end phone but it's certainly much higher
64:44 end than other flip phones now i'm gonna be honest with you guys i can probably
64:48 type as quickly on a number pad like a
64:51 tactile number pad as i can on a touchscreen keyboard
64:55 predictive text got a lot better after the initial sort
64:59 of like okay well i press it three times for o
65:02 and yeah two times for l yeah i can't remember what it's called but there's
65:05 that one one predictive text algorithm that everyone started using right before
65:09 smartphones came out q9 t9 yeah t9 pretty good it's pretty darn good like
65:14 it's it's pretty fast yeah and um
65:19 i mean there's something to be said for tactile buttons particularly old people
65:23 my dad no interest in a smartphone no interest
65:27 and when his phone dies he's gonna have to buy something so what does he buy
65:31 so there you go the hennessy quad-core CPU you know wi-fi bluetooth
65:37 gps all that stuff that you'd expect and uh this is my my most interesting
65:42 question is the exact same question as the guy that posted on our forum is is
65:46 this really going forwards
65:49 like or did samsung just go
65:53 you know what though uh when we were over in taiwan what did you notice
65:57 everyone uses a flip everyone needs a flip on this very good point and maybe
66:00 it's a cost thing maybe it's not i mean maybe the positioning here is premium
66:04 flip is this baby's first smartphone so to speak right
66:09 right that actually kind of makes it look as a transitional device this might
66:13 be the smartest thing they've done this year because oh well um
66:17 mozilla is trying to do kind of the same thing very cheap but smartphone
66:22 and you know what maybe this is a response to that maybe
66:25 this is just them observing the market themselves it's not a terrible idea it's
66:28 just kind of weird it's very weird i like it i do too i've
66:34 changed my mind since we started talking about this it's uh i still don't know if
66:40 see a big part of the problem is that word north america yes i think it'll do
66:44 a lot better kind of everywhere else yeah i mean
66:47 here the expectation is for you know a couple hundred bucks
66:51 so i can save up you know my month of you know spared money this month and i
66:56 can get a phone on contract that's top of the freaking line not even sometimes
67:00 sometimes you get top line phones for zero dollars like whereas you look at
67:03 other markets like uh south america is a great example where they'll look at
67:08 something like you know an iphone 5 and just be like oh my gosh do you have any
67:12 idea how much that but not only do they make less money but because of the import taxes and all
67:17 of the tariffs that exist down there you're paying well over a thousand
67:21 dollars up front there's a contract and then there's blah
67:25 blah blah blah and you have to pay so much more because you're paying for the extra features so the used phone market
67:30 there is huge yeah um and then something like this could be uh could be
67:34 potentially a big deal there yeah it's interesting
67:37 um something to jump into which isn't necessarily directly related at all but
67:42 i did want to talk about is gee squad stealing naked photos again and leaking
67:46 them online again all right did we get to see the naked
67:50 photos here i kind of hope not yeah me too
67:54 are they of geek squad technicians no because then i
67:57 geek squad should do a calendar a sexy
68:01 calendar that would actually probably do pretty well that would be a great pr
68:04 stunt that's really not a bad idea
68:07 lioness media group should do a sexy challenge
68:10 it would just be all you
68:15 just a motherboard yeah
68:18 wearing nothing but an oculus rift
68:25 oh no oh of all the terrible things that i could
68:29 have come up with right now so let's go uh let's go back to that actually okay
68:32 so they they allegedly let's just throw
68:35 that out there allegedly although they have been hit with this before yeah allegedly
68:40 we're not we're not saying anything is for sure yeah so
68:44 this lady had her nude photos posted online
68:48 and she had never posted them online okay so she
68:51 says these photos were art not selfies she snapped to send to a lover she never
68:56 posted them on any social media explained her attorney claiming that his
69:01 client kept them only for reference or professional use for art
69:07 hmm the art thing is kind of weird i don't really care about that at all you stole
69:11 someone's digital properly which was not good well that's just what they're
69:15 saying is the evidence that it was in fact a best buy employee
69:20 that took the photos as opposed to her just
69:24 you know leaking them on right
69:27 okay 4chan is because it's art yes
69:30 because it was art which is exactly why she kept them for herself and never
69:33 actually posted them anywhere because one of the obvious sort of rebuttals
69:37 might be well if you had all these naked pictures of yourself on your computer
69:40 how can we prove how can you prove that you never sent them to anyone right so
69:44 that's the argument here so it may or may not be true but
69:48 um they they have had to settle these in
69:52 the past so
69:55 yeah i wanted to segue from this into funny
69:59 stories from back when i was in grade 10 and worked at key squad okay let's hear
70:04 it hit us with it though the worst of which
70:08 was okay i've got two really funny ones actually one lady had us repair her
70:12 laptop and then when she came to pick it up she came with this super jacked dude
70:17 and the dude was way more interested i haven't told you either of these stories
70:20 the dude was way more interested in whether or not the laptop's webcam was
70:23 working and mike was working than anything else and we were like
70:27 okay i guess we can try it like it was
70:30 riddled with viruses that's what i fixed i wasn't trying out their webcam so
70:36 so at the desk i'm like here try it so he loads up some weird looking
70:40 program and there's like a chat box on the side and i'm not really paying
70:43 attention and then me and my buddy are standing there with him and he's
70:47 slightly off to the side and we're standing in front of the laptop trying
70:50 to check if it works and then all of a sudden in the chat box i see oh my god
70:54 you work at best buy oh what is this what is this what is
70:57 this and then i read the chat box and it's like slursler slayerslayer.com
71:04 so we were on a like cam website me and
71:07 my buddy nice when i was in grade 10-ish
71:10 did you get paid another bad one was you were underage so
71:15 they guess oh i didn't even think about that
71:19 in trouble um i was fully wearing clothes but i don't know uh we had
71:23 converted from being in like a back hall to having a more open office style where
71:28 people could see through the window into all the computers right and so you plug
71:31 in computers and you work on them for a bit and then you have to go help people at the desk so people can see through
71:35 the window thing right
71:38 and people have a tendency to set their screen savers to their my pictures
71:43 folder
71:47 so so many times there would just be porn streaming in the background
71:52 and we wouldn't figure it out because there's often just one or two of us working we'd often just both be at the
71:56 desk oh sure maybe shaw's calling okay so i
72:01 think the the conclusion that we can draw here is that as much as um
72:08 best buy can have whatever policies they have in place
72:11 there's not really a whole lot they can do about deviant employees so
72:15 you know when people have unfettered access to other people's computers if
72:19 they're bad people they might snoop around on the hard drive and the other
72:23 thing that there's nothing that they can do about is sheer customer stupidity
72:28 and let's face it if you're bringing your computer to best buy to be fixed
72:32 you might not necessarily be the most technically apt kind of person in fact
72:37 the article that we link to in the live stream doc which will be available under
72:41 the video description pointed out
72:45 that um you know well they should have had these pictures in an encrypted
72:49 folder preferably on another drive a blah blah blah et cetera et cetera et
72:52 cetera but you know
72:56 even not you don't necessarily have to be a complete [ __ ] when it comes to
73:00 computers to not know how to do that stuff so there's there's a whole bunch
73:05 of factors that are going on here and i think it's a little bit more complicated
73:10 necessarily than you know one individual's lawsuit might
73:14 be so allegedly sort of accused blah
73:17 blah blah all of that stuff we don't know what happened here but there's
73:21 certainly potential for things to happen as slick was saying that are not
73:25 necessarily the fault of the employees
73:28 so just kind of throwing that out there so i would like to take this opportunity
73:33 to talk a little bit about our new sponsor for the WAN Show so i'm gonna go
73:38 ahead and fire this up so speaking of people who aren't necessarily the most
73:41 technically inclined in the world squarespace.com they are
73:47 officially powering the WAN Show as of supposed to
73:51 be last week but we had some stream issues and we ended up sort of not being
73:55 able to do our mid-roll integration for them so we saved it until this week but
73:59 what squarespace.com allows you to do if you're not familiar with it already is
74:03 to create a website to display your web store photography portfolio although if
74:08 you want to go ahead and accuse best buy of you know letting
74:12 your portfolio uh letting other customers have access
74:17 to your portfolio or whatever the case may be then i wouldn't recommend putting it on squarespace because the idea is
74:21 that it would be publicly visible or to you can create a personal blog so
74:26 basically it's kind of like geocities but updated for 2013. so the designs are
74:32 not ugly uh the designs have evolved in
74:35 general on the web quite a bit since then but squarespace has over 20
74:39 customizable profiles and templates that you can go ahead and tinker around with
74:43 to your heart's content so you sign up for a free trial which doesn't
74:47 require a credit card whatsoever and it actually gives you some suggestions
74:50 depending what you want to do so if you want to create an online store it'll say
74:54 okay well these ones are pretty optimal for that or if you wanted to create a
74:57 blog it'll say these ones are pretty optimal for that and there's a ton of
75:01 customization that you can do so you can change fonts you can change locations
75:04 you can add a bunch of navigation at the top they've got 24 7 tech supports and
75:09 our audience will probably also like that in addition to the drag and drop
75:13 interface that allows you to kind of go oh well okay i'm going to merchandise an
75:17 item just kind of drag and drop a picture in there at a price at a on sale
75:22 price and then it's pretty much ready to go you can actually use the advanced tab
75:26 or the developer mode tab to dink around with the css and html so it's not just
75:31 for non-techies it starts at eight dollars a month and includes scalable
75:35 hosting if traffic turns out to be much better than you expected and if you use
75:39 offer code Linus 8 you can save 10 on your first purchase with a new account
75:43 so thanks squarespace for your support of the WAN Show and we're really excited
75:47 to keep working with you guys because so far my mom's actually been trying to get
75:52 a website going on it and they've been pretty easy to use she's actually at the
75:57 cabin right now so she hasn't worked on it in the last uh i think five days but
76:02 i am outright refusing to help her and
76:05 i'm telling her that i want her to go through squarespace's tech support
76:08 because to me that is the ultimate acid test if they can handle her they can
76:13 handle pretty much anything because her question was because when you buy a year
76:18 they throw in a domain for free so her question was what is a domain so
76:22 that should give you some idea of my mom's sort of technical level when it
76:26 comes to the interwebs and all of those related things so speaking of the
76:31 interwebs hmm cisco the company that
76:35 powers a whole lot of the interwebs slashed 4 000 staff
76:41 in spite of turning oh boy
76:45 in spite of recording record results for the quarter so it really sort of raises
76:51 the question what is going on over there so they recently shed linksys for not
76:55 being being profitable enough not contributing enough to their bottom line
76:59 or um basically looking bad on their balance
77:03 sheet they have wow they slashed 4 000 jobs i mean
77:07 think about that you went to high school with probably anywhere from a couple
77:12 hundred to 500 people depending on the size of your high school so that's about
77:16 like them slashing the your entire graduating class times
77:22 probably anywhere from about eight to twenty
77:25 unbelievable so what do they have to say about this
77:29 in the past two years we have managed the business with discipline and focus
77:33 to execute on the portfolio investments and operational efficiency opportunities
77:37 that we see in fiscal year 2014 we are rebalancing our resources with a
77:41 workforce reduction which will impact five percent
77:45 of our global workforce now as someone who runs their own business these days i
77:49 can definitely sympathize with the seemingly uncontrollable cost that is
77:54 human resources something that a lot of people don't know is that
77:59 the amount that you get on your paycheck in your bank account so yes uncle sam or
78:05 you know mr harper or whoever it is that
78:09 represents your tax man in your country is definitely taking a cut but there's
78:14 also a lot of stuff that goes on behind the scenes so let's say theoretically i
78:18 had an employee at Linus media group that cost that's that's wage was ten
78:22 dollars an hour i'm paying anywhere from around 12 and a half to 13 and a half
78:27 dollars an hour and we don't even have medical plan yet remember this is canada
78:31 so when we don't have a medical plan that doesn't mean you're completely boned it just means that you don't have
78:37 extended medical like dental for example it's something we're working on but the
78:42 actual cost is is this double digit percentages higher
78:46 than the employee even knows about so i can definitely relate to that but on the
78:51 other hand i take a bit of a different philosophy i think and hopefully slick
78:55 can back me up on this where i feel like if Linus media group
78:58 is doing well and we're making money the people that got us there should be
79:03 getting a reward as opposed to getting their jobs cut or getting their salaries
79:07 cut i'm assuming you're talking about cisco yeah i'm talking about the cisco
79:11 thing i mean i'm going to be perfectly blunt with the viewers right now i
79:14 haven't given myself a raise since we started Linus media group however i have
79:20 done some raises and some bonuses
79:23 so there you go i mean that's not to say
79:27 that you know i'm gonna pay everyone you know 250 000 a year just for showing up
79:32 to work they're going to have to make sure that the stream is ready to go on time when i
79:35 come back from ncix if they want something like that to happen
79:39 i don't take full responsibility for that um
79:43 and definitely our isp issues today haven't helped but anyway the point is i
79:48 really don't like this at all
79:52 and maybe it's a good thing that belkin owns linksys now because i've got some
79:55 pretty good bros over at linksys that i don't want to lose their jobs so it's
79:59 like five percent of the company got dropped or something i don't know how much you've talked about it and with
80:02 that said if you've worked at a bigger company you probably know that one out
80:06 of every 20 people there at least is a complete idiot
80:09 so maybe that was the kind of layoffs maybe but but if you've worked at a big
80:13 company that's gone through layoffs you probably know that it's not always that
80:17 way that way and a lot of times it becomes friendships instead of actual
80:21 productivity friendships and seniority and
80:24 just goofy stuff that's not actually to do with competence i know really good
80:29 people who have gotten laid off when i had no complete morons at the same
80:33 company that for whatever reason still have their jobs
80:36 so um so we're not getting any help from
80:39 them right now oh after the stream oh
80:45 refuse okay do anything until i reset my modem okay yeah i guess that makes sense okay well
80:50 we don't have really have too much left anyway uh lots of rumors about the
80:54 upcoming whatever it is they're gonna call it let's just call it uh volcanic islands
81:00 so AMD's new graphics cards potentially that maybe
81:04 are coming and i can't find any link in the dock for it
81:10 up a little bit way down a little tiny bit there it is all right it's one of
81:14 those stupid ones where the header is on a different line than the uh
81:18 so potential pricing has potentially been
81:22 revealed so according to fudzilla this was posted by emma long on the Linus
81:26 tech tips forum the hd 9970 will cost
81:29 less than 600 they speculate that it will cost between
81:33 549 and 5.99 that's really really aggressive that
81:38 sounds about right for a high-end GPU launch yeah but it's aggressive compared
81:42 to what is on the other team compared to what's available now because NVIDIA just
81:46 refreshed they're not going to be launching maxwell
81:50 like tomorrow yeah so they're not necessarily going to have a response AMD
81:54 could have done what NVIDIA did because the rumored
81:57 performance of the potentially alleged 9970 is rumored to be around five
82:03 percent better than a titan so they could have come in at a thousand
82:07 dollars or even 899.99 and undercut titan but it looks like
82:11 what AMD wants to do is put pressure on NVIDIA to drop the price of titan
82:16 which is cool which is great i'd like a cheap titan because we're gonna see
82:20 never settle forever is now running so you have your choice of i think it's
82:24 eight games right now and they're pretty pretty high end titles if you buy a top
82:28 tier card you get three games if you buy a 7 800 series right now you get two
82:33 games and if you buy a 7770 or 7790 you
82:37 get one game and you get to pick whatever you want and get this i didn't
82:40 even know about this till today but if you don't like any of the games on never
82:44 settle forever right now or you already have them you can hold on to your ticket
82:48 until december 31st at least and hold out for
82:52 upcoming games for possible other games wow that's cool yeah so beast they are
82:58 really really putting the pressure on with the new drivers upcoming
83:02 potentially alleged gpus and upcoming potentially alleged game titles yeah
83:07 because uh yeah i mean i've seen i can't
83:10 comment on the upcoming game titles unfortunately because i have seen a deck
83:14 and i do know what it is hold on to your pants guys
83:19 hold on to yours i haven't seen this i'm excited so yeah that's uh that's
83:24 incredibly exciting have you talked about baby monitors no
83:29 wow guys secure your freaking wi-fi
83:33 do it now this was posted by uh ion basa on the
83:38 forum and this was an article from cnet.com and there's more on abc go
83:43 slick so some guy hacked into some other
83:47 guy's router accessed their network-enabled baby monitor and started
83:51 shouting through it they heard a voice calling his daughter an effing [ __ ] and
83:56 telling her to wake up you little thing
84:00 the hacker began shouting at his at her parents once they came into the room to
84:04 try and figure out what was going on uh called them called the man a stupid
84:07 [ __ ] and his wife a b word and in front of their two-year-old
84:12 daughter and they're not even sure this hadn't happened already at least once
84:16 so oh man like
84:21 if you know anyone that uses network-enabled baby monitors you're a
84:24 tech guy make sure that router's secure yeah we're we're charging you to be
84:29 personally responsible for protecting your friends and family and making sure
84:34 that this kind of because that is such a huge invasion of privacy it's ridiculous
84:38 that's that's just not only does he has access to the video but he's able to
84:42 talk to them like that's yeah that's not cool go secure
84:47 your wi-fi right now if you haven't done it moving into our next topic xbox one
84:51 claims it can do 4k gaming so this was
84:55 posted on the forum by the bloody toxic here we go
85:00 i i just i wonder like uh the amount of hardware it takes to
85:04 run 4k well on a computer like okay what frame rates is this running at
85:09 here's the quote there's no hardware restriction there at all so in theory
85:14 the xbox one could support 2k or perhaps even 4k gaming if there's content for it
85:19 at those resolutions the source is forbes and i think the uh the original
85:24 poster of this of this uh link on our forum has some pretty good points here
85:31 i have two main reasons why this is just stupid and why it's basically just a lie
85:37 this is uh quoting quoting the bloody toxic one
85:40 two dual titans in 4k barely are able to throw 60 FPS at a screen with medium
85:45 settings on modern games we're not even talking next gen games number two the
85:49 xbox one has one 1.4 HDMI output which
85:53 means 4k is going to be at 30 hertz
85:57 however i think the first one is probably the most valid because there
86:00 was no way you were going to be pushing more than 30 FPS
86:04 anyway no so yeah why i mean
86:09 they've had a pretty good run of good press going lately and the connect thing
86:13 i don't know we haven't talked about that yet so connect is no longer required to run
86:19 which is really good like good job and then you do this like what are you
86:23 saying you're just confusing people it's not true you're just confusing people
86:27 xbox one is not suitable for 4k gaming
86:31 mark my words 4k gaming is coming to pc
86:34 now 4k gaming is not coming to console for a very very long time well at least
86:40 10 years unless they have some crazy add-on pack or something
86:43 unless they have something well hold on a second because it wouldn't be the first time
86:47 that ever happened i know yeah sega genesis yep so it could happen but it's
86:52 going to have to be something that you slap on the console or it's going to be a revision 2 of the console or something
86:56 like that it's i mean how much do you miss cartridges
87:00 at this point star fox oh it's like a completely
87:03 different thing let's just put more supplemental hardware on the game
87:08 these are awesome i hate discs i never liked this floppies were cool
87:13 cartridges were cool discs suck this one's always
87:16 but you're too young to ever have actually had a situation where you had a report
87:22 that you had to print out at school only to discover that your floppy disk broke
87:26 or just was i actually did have to do that
87:29 but it was such a low grade that i don't think it mattered they were so
87:32 unreliable they were terrible but they were cool the first time i got a usb
87:36 thumb drive it was an eight meg drive and it was the best thing that ever
87:40 happened yeah that was one of my favorite technology
87:43 things that i ever owned i'm not saying they were good i'm saying they were cool
87:47 i liked the idea of floppy i don't know it's ah
87:51 speaking of discs um where's my topic
87:55 for this i don't remember where it is
87:59 some game that i wanted to buy payday 2. payday 2 does not have a physical copy
88:04 i think there might be like a physical crazy collector's edition or something
88:07 that's insanely expensive you know what who cares move on no
88:11 i disagree with you i think physical copies are the stupidest thing ever
88:15 they're dead oh but then you run into things like
88:19 what if steam drops support what if something drops support like old
88:23 school games i can still play red alert okay if red alert was a game running on
88:29 a service back then that wouldn't exist anymore okay back up your steam files
88:33 because valve's set out right that they'll find a way for
88:36 titles purchased through steam to be still playable if they ever go
88:39 completely insolvent or shut down the service back up all your steam files how many
88:44 can you actually ask that of everyone i don't think it's that unreasonable if
88:48 you can ask someone to buy a physical copy of a disk which is like
88:52 worth what 20 cents who cares then is it
88:56 that unreasonable to say okay okay okay here is it more work to burn a disk than
89:02 it is to go to a freaking store to buy a game but do you have right to burn that
89:06 disk to copy steam files to a disk do you
89:10 yeah sure you can backup steam files all day long they even have a built-in
89:13 backup feature yeah if you can back it up to a folder you can back it up to it
89:17 i still personally like physical having something physical and i still wish it
89:21 was a cartridge for console games i think that we should
89:25 probably all be able to agree that when it comes to movies video games and women
89:30 digital is just as good as physical
89:35 of course you had to drop that i don't think so i still disagree i still like
89:39 having something physical okay i'll give you movies
89:42 not women
89:45 dude if i could give you women that would be
89:48 a whole other business media group is running
89:52 we have to put the significant others thing on there it might not necessarily
89:56 apply to everyone um animated pngs ah yes animated pngs so
90:02 the gif or it's pronounced jeff
90:10 the days may be numbered for that guy right there here it is there's a
90:14 kickstarter let us animate png so this was posted by
90:18 ghost on the forum ghost you're awesome by the way you were kind of annoying in
90:23 the early days of the forum but we both really like you now
90:26 you're awesome dude kind of annoying because he told every told us everything
90:29 was broken well yeah when it was right
90:33 i think he even stopped coming to the forum at some point he came back when we
90:36 fixed it i'm glad he came back because i like him um anyways so you can view a
90:41 demo of the difference between a gif why don't we play it you have to
90:45 have firefox oh that video sure yeah let's play video everything welcome to
90:49 the apingasm animated png tools and standardization project that sounds like
90:54 a total neckbeard is the animated png assembler and it is currently the only
90:57 tool that fully supports creating animated pngs apngs like anime goals
91:02 will have a java native version and a coffeescript and javascript native
91:06 version so it can be used in different places further goals include svg and smile
91:12 conversion and a full animation editor for svg and
91:16 smile for more information please see the project description
91:21 so that's pretty cool hey stop i'm sorry
91:24 i'm trying i'm trying to stop the thing i'm not having success here
91:28 i think that's awesome it is awesome i like everything about it i'm surprised
91:32 it got funded i and it got funded fast yeah so they
91:36 have beat their five thousand dollar goal in only eight days
91:40 which is outstanding that's awesome um in fact quite a few backers one backer
91:45 pledged 2 500 so there was a single backer that's like yup here we go so
91:50 what does he get ports of our base ap g libraries and tools for the language
91:54 platform of your choice you and your company will be fully accredited
91:59 cool so um
92:03 it it's better yeah it's time in like every way i'm stoked that's cool so
92:08 4chan can be in hd now
92:17 no just everything half the things that are posted on there are animated gifs as
92:20 far as i can tell so so now it can like look better
92:24 or we can even we can have even higher resolution disgusting animated stuff on
92:31 like the armpit of the internet
92:35 i just it looks a lot better it takes less data and like the most ridiculous
92:39 thing with gifs is how long they take to load
92:43 right now to say gif um because they just take forever to load
92:47 so i don't know everything is better about this my favorite thing is that it just takes less i'm excited about
92:51 transparency support that's cool that's really cool that's definitely cool i
92:54 mean that's something that would be uh that would be great for even things like
92:58 wancho if we could have like an animated thing that supports alpha channels
93:02 that's transparent so we could have like moving junk um i mean we're gonna go
93:06 back to like xsplit's gonna have to you know
93:09 step things up a little bit too but we're gonna have to go back to like 90s
93:13 level internet web pages
93:16 2002 a little bit past 90s speaking of going back in time check
93:21 this out so the upcoming oh oh wow the page has been pulled down okay well at
93:26 any rate um the upcoming ivy bridge e
93:30 4670k has been delidded by one of the
93:34 overclockers over on coolaller.com and
93:37 basically they've discovered that the ihs is
93:41 soldered down to the CPU core this does a couple of things number one is it
93:45 makes it um harder to remove yeah he destroyed his chip doing that yep number
93:50 two is it de-incentivizes people to remove the bloody thing because you're
93:55 going to get better thermal performance by having the dye soldered to the top of
94:00 the integrated heat spreader versus having a thermal compound in there
94:04 it also means that there won't be as much inconsistency because having a
94:09 solid metal layer means no air pockets can get stuck and the ihs won't be as
94:15 prone to being sort of not not attached in one
94:18 spot or whatever else the case may be so that's great
94:22 i guess what Intel's saying is when it comes to our server grade products we do
94:28 actually know that solder is better
94:31 okay so they do know deep down they do know i'm happy to see this kind of sad
94:35 for the dude that lost his chip right away yeah he probably has a half a dozen
94:39 of them like those those extreme overclocker guys they get like a tray of
94:42 cpus pre-launch and do a bunch of benching and all that kind of stuff
94:46 yeah yeah i'm not too worried about him yeah that's awesome stoked to see that
94:51 all right well bitfenix prodigy yeah yeah this is
94:54 exciting so one of the things that was noticed by the reviewers and enthusiast
95:00 community at large this was posed by sueli
95:04 or however you pronounce that located in belgium so that's jackie yeah
95:09 oh i love that guy he's awesome uh anyway
95:12 so there's a product guided tour apparently apparently bitfenix thinks
95:16 they can do them better than us instead of having us do their product
95:19 tours actually i just uh i just got off
95:22 an email thread with bitfenix yesterday where we were going back and forth
95:26 pretty good we are going to be getting samples of pretty much every upcoming
95:29 bitfenix thing so we will be bringing you guys more bitfenix videos so that's
95:33 a new development that i don't think slick knew about yet
95:36 but the the thing that people noticed about the prodigy was that it wasn't
95:40 that small it was about the size of matx cases but
95:45 took an itx motherboard in fact silverstone
95:49 went like full like you know
95:52 shots fired mode against uh bitfenix by basically saying well if you look at the
95:57 actual volume of the case um
96:00 we have like matx cases that are smaller than
96:04 this that like fit hardware pretty well too
96:08 so what they've done is they have completely rearranged the interior in
96:12 order to accommodate an matx board so they no longer have the flat mounting
96:17 idea that they had for the itx board it's again a vertically mounted
96:21 motherboard okay i'm gonna just like zoom in as far as i possibly can here
96:25 240p yeah yeah
96:28 all right okay so there you go you kind of see it now so here's where the motherboard is
96:34 it's an upside down motherboard arrangement drives go i think here
96:38 and then uh it supports liquid cooling in the back
96:41 with a yeah one radiator yeah
96:44 so there's yeah there's less support like one cool
96:48 thing that we saw in the prodigy before was the insane water cooling builds yes
96:51 where people would fit all the radiators and there will be less of that there
96:54 will be less of that but it's more practical case yeah so
96:59 good work be it phoenix love it and i hope they keep around the original
97:03 prodigy i hope they just have two different products yes which i think they're doing yeah yeah okay that is
97:07 confirmed we talked to them about it at computex when i i covered their booth
97:11 yeah yeah i have seen this already the layout is actually pretty smart it
97:15 looks good cool looks good cool all right
97:18 unless you have anything else we ought to do we got to do the
97:21 videos of the week yes we've got some pretty epic ones that i know you've seen
97:25 at least one of all right he did finish on time which i was happy about
97:30 all right build logs of the week let's go ahead and download this mother on 3g
97:36 yeah i know right like my data bill just like whatever
97:41 the good news is i have lots of oh i'm downloading two instances of it right
97:44 now no stop cancel one
97:50 don't you hate that when you have two instances coming down and you cancel the one that's more complete yeah
97:55 it's like just fml moments or like when you commit
97:59 something to the printer queue and then because printers are apparently still
98:03 stuck in the 80s you can never have you ever successfully canceled a print job
98:08 never i've only ever been able to do it physically on the printer and it just
98:11 cancels everything that usually doesn't even work for me
98:14 it's the it i do somewhat okay with that there was
98:18 one time when i really had to cancel it like it was like 60 pages and what i had
98:23 to do was i unplugged the printer and then just replugged it in sometimes even
98:28 when you do that i'll just re-grab the job and keep going it was an old printer
98:31 so it didn't it wasn't that advanced okay cool all right so moving right along guys
98:36 here project cobalt by jordan mack this
98:40 one boom it's just awesome holy crap like i wish
98:44 we could show this in its hd glory where's 240p i'm sorry jordan mack oh
98:50 man okay all of these guys like we're going
98:54 to show pictures but check it on the freaking forum yeah um build log section
98:57 of the forum check the build vlogs of the week thread isn't this thing
99:00 beautiful i actually tweeted a picture of this mid-plate earlier this week
99:05 because i was just blown away he's gonna be doing a comprehensive guide on how to
99:09 make them and he's gonna be posting it in our guide section on the forum jordan
99:13 you win i'm probably gonna make one i don't even know what you win it's so
99:17 cool you win seven of them though it's just seven
99:21 things seven things so he's got hyper cop kuiper
99:25 yeah he invented a new medal
99:29 yes copper piping which he has painted
99:32 no place pleated sorry yes no paint plating
99:37 on the copper tubing and beautifully
99:41 sleeved cables mayhem uh blue fluid gorgeous pastel blue i
99:46 believe i'm not sure yeah drilled holes through this mid plate that looks like
99:50 you could damage it because it looks like a freaking pcb yeah
99:54 just oh look at these oh look at these tubing runs man the runs are super nice
99:59 and like without the mid plate on it looked a little bit weird with his runs
100:02 but then once the mid plates on it makes tons of sense and looks great yup and
100:05 slick this is the i actually gave slick a gtx
100:09 670 which he refuses to install on his computer because of the mini pcb boom if
100:14 it's good enough for him it's good enough for you
100:18 boom beautiful machine anyway guys go check
100:22 it out great sleeving which we've just kind of come to expect
100:26 this build i i wanted to show like how he does the under lighting for the there
100:30 we go so now you don't see the glare from the led strips this is with the
100:34 side panel on man that's beautiful so it looks it looks better but it's not as
100:37 comprehensive as the previous shot that's the only reason why all right moving on to our next build blog the 15
100:42 terabyte bit phoenix prodigy by jim stock 87 i thought you might like this
100:46 one especially man love it
100:50 so there's there's not even a ton to say with this one other than go look at on
100:54 the build logs because you probably can't see it ghetto mount SSD you win
100:57 for that because i'm all about the ghetto mounted ssds ghetto mounted SSD a
101:02 little fan that helps cool his raid card and then all the hard drives which is a
101:06 thing yeah those raid cards run freaking hot they should have better cooling on
101:10 them no because the way that they're spec'd is not for desktop installation
101:16 yeah they're spec'd for racks where there's expected to be like turbine
101:21 grade fans drawing air front to back cooling these things in fact right in
101:25 the documentation for the lsi card i believe that i have in my machine it
101:30 says it expects x number of cfm of
101:33 constant airflow you can get one of those gelad pci slot fan
101:38 yeah that wouldn't make my machine look ridiculous uh my solution was to put the
101:42 raid card down at the very bottom and then i have a basement radiator that it
101:46 gets some incidental airflow from and it doesn't overheat yeah here's another oh
101:50 man just a better shot i just wanted to show that it was actually in a prodigy
101:54 with the previous great choice of wd reds that is definitely the appropriate
101:58 drive for a machine like this
102:01 and neptune by jojo69
102:04 very inappropriate jojo disapprove of that number
102:08 oh my goodness at first i was like huh what what's
102:12 so kind of similar idea to one that we saw
102:15 previously but he he got his cable sleeved i believe these are extensions
102:19 and then he sewed them himself together if you see those lines sewn together so
102:24 fascinating the the threading doesn't look bad
102:27 and it keeps them in a very nice neat run right which i thought was very cool
102:31 that was a challenge that i had with my machine was like how do you make them
102:36 yeah stay together so he sewed them together which kind of makes sense and
102:40 that's and not to just bring attention to that it's a very beautiful build just
102:45 yep nice straight tubing runs always looks gorgeous a lot of criticism for my
102:49 overkill buyers guide Linus you should have used better angled fittings you
102:53 should have done straighter tubing runs you should have used clear tubing and a coolant et cetera et cetera et cetera
102:58 guys it was a build that we were literally going to tear apart as soon as
103:02 we were done building it so yes you're not wrong
103:06 you're not wrong but you're also not necessarily right because one of the
103:09 things that i personally don't do is
103:12 invest in very specialized pieces of hardware that i can't continue to reuse
103:16 because when i build a rig my graphics card might be in
103:20 there for well more so in the past i don't change it as much anymore but i
103:24 would look at everything as it needs to be modular my graphics card might be in
103:27 there for two more weeks who knows saying that you have a 590. i know so
103:33 it's less true these days but that's always the approach that i've taken to a
103:36 rig is how hard is it to work on this bloody thing
103:39 so that was why i would never use hard fittings between my slide cards i always
103:45 used tubing because i found it easier to disconnect and pull one card if there
103:49 was an issue same thing why i never used particularly angled fittings because i'd
103:53 be doing motherboard swaps every three to four weeks
103:56 so no i'm not buying full full cover
103:59 motherboard blocks not in my not in my dictionary that's
104:04 uh yes but that's not necessarily applicable to everyone no it's not yeah
104:07 it's just that's why i took that's my
104:10 personal philosophy and if you if you were doing a one run
104:14 of that build though i personally agree with them we should have done tightly
104:17 straighter runs but we're tearing it down like so so there's that and like
104:22 that's we we showed that was just a better shot of the computer but i wanted
104:25 to do a close-up shot this one you can see the threading a lot better no way is
104:29 that one of those old zellman hard drive coolers
104:32 wow you win the internets for that i don't
104:35 even think you can buy those anymore and it even matches the color scheme to
104:39 build perfectly yes i wanted to go back to that shot again
104:42 there we go gorgeous machine really really good and then carbon
104:47 yeah i was trying to i was like there's something i'm missing your carbon fiber
104:50 apps like everything that carbon fiber wrap absolutely beautiful
104:55 all right so i think that pretty much wraps it up for the lan show today guys
104:59 thank you very much for your patience we are going to be on the line with shaw
105:04 pretty much immediately after this and we are going to see if we can figure out
105:09 these issues for next week and uh i'm just going to call them right
105:13 now hopefully next week's stream is not in 240p but thank you for watching
105:17 anyway good night everyone thanks guys we'll we will do an after party once
105:21 everything's working yeah i think we're we're off for after party because the
105:25 stream has already run a full hour over time with us diagnosing technical
105:29 difficulties we get everything working next week i think we can we can confirm
105:33 it after party if we get everything working next week and if you guys follow me on twitter you'll have seen that i
105:37 now have a new workflow for taking the
105:40 um the video clips that we get out of xsplit which have our variable frame
105:45 rate and making sure that the video and audio don't desync so i should be able
105:50 to get the lan show uploaded sooner than normal and do you have any family
105:53 functions this weekend that would be great okay well that figures but uh if
105:57 you can you get it up tonight i can get it up anytime you want tonight
106:02 then