WEBVTT 00:00:00.800 --> 00:00:06.080 welcome to the WAN Show guys it's august 16th which is actually almost my 00:00:04.960 --> 00:00:11.920 birthday i know you give zero cares about birthdays and you had no idea that was 00:00:09.519 --> 00:00:16.080 coming but you know what i actually did did you because the last time it was 00:00:14.160 --> 00:00:19.680 your birthday i put it in my phone oh good work okay 00:00:17.760 --> 00:00:23.680 well it's my birthday and my cat decided to help me celebrate by peeing on my 00:00:21.359 --> 00:00:28.400 motorcycle jacket so if you had detected the smell of cat urine about me 00:00:25.920 --> 00:00:33.440 then um no actually that is where it was coming from not from this vulgar shirt 00:00:31.439 --> 00:00:37.760 that would have been equally plausible yeah yeah so so this shirt is uh my 00:00:36.000 --> 00:00:42.719 special treat for all the viewers there today who wanted to see me wearing this 00:00:40.800 --> 00:00:46.480 kind of a shirt it's absolutely horrible it's for an upcoming video where my 00:00:44.640 --> 00:00:50.480 character is just sort of a horrible person in general but anyway we've got 00:00:48.800 --> 00:00:54.320 some great topics for the WAN Show there's a new witcher 3 trailer which 00:00:52.480 --> 00:00:59.359 we're going to be definitely talking about we've also got some exciting stuff 00:00:56.719 --> 00:01:03.760 there's a ton of rumors about AMD's upcoming graphics cards so we'll be uh 00:01:01.920 --> 00:01:08.720 shooting the breeze about that our special guest remember guys our special 00:01:06.240 --> 00:01:11.119 guests are powered by razer comms so check out the 00:01:09.920 --> 00:01:14.880 there it's a little bit higher than usual there's a lot of headroom here uh 00:01:13.119 --> 00:01:18.960 our special guests are powered by razer comms you can download it here it helps 00:01:16.560 --> 00:01:23.360 us out a great deal it's a voice chat client optimized for gaming as opposed 00:01:21.280 --> 00:01:27.360 to for talking with your mother who lives in another country like skype so 00:01:25.280 --> 00:01:30.799 things like the game overlays or the overlays won't kill you and disrupt your 00:01:29.439 --> 00:01:36.000 gameplay all that kind of good stuff it's free it's beta 00:01:34.159 --> 00:01:39.439 definitely can't emphasize that enough for a lot of people have been saying oh 00:01:37.600 --> 00:01:43.759 razor combs isn't perfect yes we know it's not perfect razer knows that's why 00:01:41.520 --> 00:01:47.439 it's called beta um i i hope it's not like perpetually beta like gmail yeah 00:01:45.680 --> 00:01:51.840 remember how long gmail was beta and minecraft yeah 00:01:49.360 --> 00:01:57.439 they both worked like minecraft felt like a fully finished game i think he 00:01:53.600 --> 00:01:59.119 was just like no no no no no no no 00:01:57.439 --> 00:02:02.640 okay but this is legitimately beta so they're issuing patches like every few 00:02:00.479 --> 00:02:05.840 days anyway guys definitely try it out try it out with your gaming group use 00:02:04.079 --> 00:02:09.759 the bitly link here it helps us out a whole heck of a lot so our special guest 00:02:07.759 --> 00:02:14.000 this week is ryan shrout from pc perspective so we're going to be talking 00:02:11.200 --> 00:02:18.239 to him about AMD's new frame pacing driver as well as maybe you know 00:02:16.800 --> 00:02:22.720 shooting the breeze about some of the some of the rumors it's uh it's always 00:02:20.319 --> 00:02:27.360 kind of iffy how much the media folks can say and can't say because once they 00:02:25.280 --> 00:02:30.319 actually hear something officially then it's kind of hard to talk about it 00:02:28.640 --> 00:02:34.560 whereas if they're not the source and you know they don't know anything about it anyway then it's a little bit then 00:02:33.360 --> 00:02:38.959 it's a little bit easier there so without further ado 00:02:36.400 --> 00:02:43.280 intro time where's the intro 00:02:40.800 --> 00:02:47.360 you have got to be kidding me same exact same thing as last week yes 00:02:45.120 --> 00:02:52.319 it is the exact same thing as last week you would think that i would somehow 00:02:50.239 --> 00:02:58.640 predict that but that is that is actually not what happens sometimes 00:02:55.200 --> 00:03:00.160 when these things do occur in such a way 00:02:58.640 --> 00:03:05.200 that people are stalling for time which 00:03:02.560 --> 00:03:09.319 should be obvious at this point was that i think that this is 00:03:18.159 --> 00:03:21.159 um 00:03:32.000 --> 00:03:38.640 so guys we've also got a new sponsor this week this episode of the WAN Show 00:03:36.400 --> 00:03:42.319 is brought to you by squarespace.com squarespace is the easy way to create a 00:03:40.560 --> 00:03:47.440 beautiful functional website for your organization blog online store or more 00:03:45.519 --> 00:03:51.519 visit squarespace.com to get a free fully functional trial without a credit 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for those of you who haven't heard i'm just gonna go ahead and open this up on 00:04:33.360 --> 00:04:40.320 the old laptop here boom there it is the humble origin 00:04:39.199 --> 00:04:44.240 bundle eight games 00:04:42.400 --> 00:04:48.320 and i think the average price last time i looked was around four bucks 00:04:46.639 --> 00:04:52.880 which is outstanding uh where is it four dollars and eighty 00:04:50.080 --> 00:04:57.840 cents so it's actually going up now ea has outdone themselves here which isn't 00:04:55.520 --> 00:04:57.840 hard 00:04:59.759 --> 00:05:06.880 has taken shots ea has outdone themselves here because 00:05:03.919 --> 00:05:12.880 normally the way humble bundle works is it's up to the person buying the bundle 00:05:09.199 --> 00:05:14.800 to decide how much money to allocate to 00:05:12.880 --> 00:05:19.520 the developer and then how much to allocate to humble bundle you know hey 00:05:17.520 --> 00:05:22.400 thanks for doing this and a charity there's usually at least one charity 00:05:20.800 --> 00:05:26.160 tied in ea has taken out the developer 00:05:24.960 --> 00:05:28.880 they probably knew no one was going to give them any money 00:05:30.240 --> 00:05:36.560 oh i'm sorry ea you guys are actually kind of awesome this time so you've got 00:05:34.320 --> 00:05:41.199 the option to give some money to humble bundle and then you have your choice of 00:05:38.720 --> 00:05:45.919 five outstanding charities including human rights campaign watsi san 00:05:43.680 --> 00:05:51.120 francisco aids foundation american cancer society and american red cross 00:05:49.120 --> 00:05:55.680 and you can allocate however much of the money you're paying to whoever you want 00:05:53.280 --> 00:06:03.199 in whatever proportion you want which is just a really cool thing to do they have 00:05:58.320 --> 00:06:07.600 sold over 1.1 million bundles and raised 00:06:03.199 --> 00:06:09.759 over 5.5 million dollars for charity and 00:06:07.600 --> 00:06:13.680 people that are crying about origin because it's the humble bundle origin 00:06:11.440 --> 00:06:18.560 bundle yes i think it's like five out of the eight games come with steam codes 00:06:15.520 --> 00:06:21.199 yes so you there look at this e actually 00:06:18.560 --> 00:06:25.840 yeah i'm not even gonna you know do this because it's not fair they have gone 00:06:24.080 --> 00:06:30.560 the extra mile here most of the games are available on steam 00:06:28.080 --> 00:06:33.600 we usually wreck them but give credit where credit's due this is pretty 00:06:32.000 --> 00:06:37.440 freaking awesome yep and you know it's funny i we we had some comments on our 00:06:35.840 --> 00:06:41.039 forum hey guys ea must have been watching your last livestream because 00:06:38.960 --> 00:06:45.759 you burned them for only contributing i think it was uh 16 000 or something 00:06:43.919 --> 00:06:51.520 you know what they're giving away their games for charity this week they're 00:06:48.000 --> 00:06:53.520 raising millions of dollars so 00:06:51.520 --> 00:06:58.000 that's the way to do it good job there we go the first time we've ever 00:06:55.520 --> 00:07:01.440 applauded ea on this show well but like yeah we've applauded them 00:06:59.919 --> 00:07:03.919 like ironically but not but not seriously this is serious serious 00:07:02.960 --> 00:07:09.039 applause good job ea there's there's been some problems with activating origin codes 00:07:07.520 --> 00:07:14.240 and stuff like that but they are i was saving that for like the punchline oh 00:07:11.199 --> 00:07:16.800 sorry yeah so sims 3 uh there's been 00:07:14.240 --> 00:07:20.560 some issues people haven't been able to activate it there doesn't seem to be a 00:07:18.560 --> 00:07:25.840 clear answer whether it's related to region or Windows 8 or 00:07:23.840 --> 00:07:28.560 ea's pointing the finger back at humble bundle 00:07:26.960 --> 00:07:31.840 about why it's not working and then humble bundle saying that they might be 00:07:30.240 --> 00:07:35.120 region specific but then some people outside of the us 00:07:33.520 --> 00:07:38.160 are activating them so i don't i don't know what's going on at all they are 00:07:36.880 --> 00:07:44.240 they are claiming to be working on it and five of the games come with steam codes anyways so we'll give them that 00:07:42.080 --> 00:07:48.400 anyway you guys uh so the games that you get are dead space burnout paradise the 00:07:46.240 --> 00:07:51.919 ultimate box crysis 2 maximum edition mirror's edge dead space 3 medal of 00:07:50.080 --> 00:07:56.639 honor and if you pay more than the average price you get battlefield 3 the 00:07:54.479 --> 00:08:02.080 sims 3 plus the starter pack which i believe is two extra content packs okay 00:07:59.199 --> 00:08:07.039 so absolutely outstanding without further ado i would like to invite mr 00:08:05.280 --> 00:08:11.759 ryan schrout from pc perspective to join us here on 00:08:09.919 --> 00:08:15.120 the WAN Show so we're making our call remember guys guests are powered by 00:08:13.039 --> 00:08:21.360 razer comms download razer comms and let's add our guest lower third brian 00:08:17.680 --> 00:08:25.280 gave us a fantastic number of 00:08:21.360 --> 00:08:27.039 uh options to choose from oh hold on 00:08:25.280 --> 00:08:30.560 well i wonder if that's the thing that happened before 00:08:28.319 --> 00:08:32.800 there we go let's try making our call here 00:08:33.360 --> 00:08:38.159 okay we're going to restart this really quick we're also going to add our guests 00:08:36.479 --> 00:08:43.200 lower third so we have a special lower third for our guest now ryan gave us a 00:08:40.399 --> 00:08:46.880 fantastic choice of different options for us to use for his lower 00:08:45.120 --> 00:08:50.399 third he sent us two pictures both of which were this one 00:08:48.240 --> 00:08:53.600 so that that was a bit interesting so speaking of the beta status of razer 00:08:52.640 --> 00:08:59.920 comms we're going to go ahead and delete system 32 which is one of the helpful 00:08:57.760 --> 00:09:05.040 tips that was given to us here on twitter to help us diagnose any kinds of 00:09:03.360 --> 00:09:10.880 system issues that we might be having there you go thank you christian moley 00:09:08.720 --> 00:09:16.080 uh for giving us that uh that great little tip there you are truly a 00:09:12.959 --> 00:09:16.080 gentleman and a scholar 00:09:17.040 --> 00:09:23.279 ryan are you there yeah there you are all right 00:09:20.880 --> 00:09:27.680 so how's it going how's uh how's the pc reviewing biz 00:09:25.040 --> 00:09:33.279 uh it it goes it continues it's a never-ending process as you're aware um 00:09:31.200 --> 00:09:37.519 some weeks more exciting than others but uh i have a feeling that the the rest of 00:09:35.279 --> 00:09:43.200 the year will be as exciting as the early part of the summer was 00:09:40.080 --> 00:09:46.480 well that is uh that is a very very uh 00:09:43.200 --> 00:09:48.480 helpful clue for the viewers i think if 00:09:46.480 --> 00:09:51.680 they if they know what was going on in the early part of the summer and it's 00:09:50.399 --> 00:09:56.560 funny that you should mention that because i remember AMD saying something 00:09:53.760 --> 00:10:02.160 along the lines of we are not releasing a new GPU architecture this year 00:10:00.880 --> 00:10:08.000 and then um yeah they said that didn't they they sure they did say that they they did say 00:10:06.399 --> 00:10:12.800 that um you know i think what they actually said at the 00:10:10.240 --> 00:10:17.120 point at that point was that the there were rumors that a new GPU was 00:10:14.880 --> 00:10:21.680 coming very soon and they said uh our product lineup is going to be stable 00:10:19.040 --> 00:10:25.279 through 2013. you can you know you can pr speak that 00:10:23.920 --> 00:10:29.600 in kind of any way you want right and then they kind of had a call and said well 00:10:27.760 --> 00:10:35.360 i think at the end of the call they did kind of admit that there would be something before the end of the year 00:10:33.200 --> 00:10:39.279 obviously they were very wishy-washy about it and after they made the 00:10:37.440 --> 00:10:43.920 statement about stable throughout the year how many weeks was it or how many 00:10:41.360 --> 00:10:47.600 days was it before they released 77.90 which was actually not quite based 00:10:46.399 --> 00:10:50.880 on the same design as the previous gpus 00:10:50.079 --> 00:10:54.320 right yeah i mean you're right it wasn't that 00:10:53.200 --> 00:10:58.399 long and it it's it's a it's a it's a 00:10:56.720 --> 00:11:01.360 it's a it's an interesting web they we they weave right all these companies 00:11:00.320 --> 00:11:04.720 kind of do that and i think they were afraid of people assuming that you know 00:11:03.519 --> 00:11:09.279 they were going to release new gpus in june or july and thus kind of killing 00:11:07.120 --> 00:11:12.000 any possible sales in the march april may 00:11:10.800 --> 00:11:16.399 time frame you know that's always what you gotta with any release of hardware 00:11:14.399 --> 00:11:19.839 or gadgets or whatever you don't want people to know about the new one too 00:11:18.000 --> 00:11:23.680 early otherwise they won't want to buy the old one that you have warehouses and 00:11:21.680 --> 00:11:27.680 warehouses of which is funny because so many different 00:11:25.680 --> 00:11:31.760 companies take such different approaches to this you look at Intel where their 00:11:30.240 --> 00:11:37.279 road maps are i mean even general consumers reading reviews 00:11:35.200 --> 00:11:40.959 on pc perspective or other hardware sites are going to know what's coming 00:11:38.959 --> 00:11:45.920 for the next couple years um and then NVIDIA and AMD 00:11:43.600 --> 00:11:50.079 like they hold their cards like close to their chest to the point where 00:11:48.560 --> 00:11:53.760 is there a purpose well so Intel has that a capability 00:11:52.000 --> 00:11:58.240 because they're such a the dominant player in the market right so um 00:11:56.560 --> 00:12:04.079 they don't really have any real big competition from AMD in mobile or 00:12:01.200 --> 00:12:08.000 desktop or you know uh all-in-one pcs and that kind of thing so 00:12:05.519 --> 00:12:11.040 when when they think about their roadmap they can change it kind of however they 00:12:10.160 --> 00:12:15.040 want and they're not going to be affected they're not going to get dinged in the market they're not going to get 00:12:13.519 --> 00:12:20.320 you know dinged by well they might get dinged by enthusiasts but it's not really going to matter uh because 00:12:18.480 --> 00:12:24.399 the the blip we make on their sales radar is relatively small so uh because 00:12:22.959 --> 00:12:29.440 they don't have any real strong competition they don't worry if 00:12:27.440 --> 00:12:33.680 AMD knows what they have planned whereas AMD uh and NVIDIA on the graphics side 00:12:32.000 --> 00:12:37.120 definitely worry about what the other one has planned 00:12:35.360 --> 00:12:42.480 that is a very good point you know what this wasn't on our live stream document 00:12:39.519 --> 00:12:47.040 but i want to talk apu because these rumors have been swirling for a long 00:12:44.639 --> 00:12:51.120 time and uh there was an article recently that was on a fairly 00:12:48.880 --> 00:12:54.560 non-credible site i think it was a pc perspective or something like that no 00:12:52.480 --> 00:13:01.680 just kidding it was different um that AMD is going to abandon the 00:12:58.240 --> 00:13:03.839 high-end desktop CPU market 00:13:01.680 --> 00:13:08.800 what do you make of this um it wouldn't really surprise me at all 00:13:06.800 --> 00:13:13.200 because Intel tries to do that 00:13:10.399 --> 00:13:15.920 every chance they get right so um 00:13:14.000 --> 00:13:20.160 sandy bridgey has has been around for way too long ivy bridge is right around 00:13:17.760 --> 00:13:22.880 the corner but ivy bridge e and sandy bridge these kind of high-end 00:13:21.279 --> 00:13:26.720 workstation processors that enthusiasts buy into are 00:13:25.200 --> 00:13:31.120 really just that their server and workstation parts that are kind of being 00:13:28.800 --> 00:13:35.760 trimmed down there's i mean if you look at ivy bridge if you look at haswell 00:13:33.440 --> 00:13:40.240 those parts really started like the 350 range and go down there's no real 00:13:38.240 --> 00:13:44.480 high-end market in those what i would consider mainstream 00:13:41.760 --> 00:13:48.959 processors at this point um AMD has a big disadvantage in terms of 00:13:46.320 --> 00:13:53.040 performance in terms of efficiency their bulldozer architecture kind of flopped 00:13:51.120 --> 00:13:59.600 miserably you know they i'm sure you guys talked about them when they released the 220 watt eight core 00:13:56.480 --> 00:14:00.399 processor that ran at five gigahertz and 00:13:59.600 --> 00:14:05.680 what kind of a joke that actually is that you 00:14:03.360 --> 00:14:08.639 know it's a a thousand dollar AMD processor an 800 AMD processor that runs 00:14:08.000 --> 00:14:14.639 at two times the thermal limit of an iv bridge or haswell that it can't really 00:14:12.399 --> 00:14:19.839 keep up with in terms of performance so um you know AMD has brought in 00:14:17.120 --> 00:14:24.480 re actually re-added some of their better engineers like top level 00:14:21.920 --> 00:14:29.199 engineers on the CPU and the GPU side so i wouldn't really count them out 100 yet 00:14:26.639 --> 00:14:32.800 but it's going to be at least you know 18 months 24 months or beyond before we 00:14:32.000 --> 00:14:39.120 see a kind of turnaround it takes that long in the micro architecture world and it's 00:14:37.120 --> 00:14:44.160 funny you mentioned that because we talk about AMD and NVIDIA jealously guarding 00:14:41.680 --> 00:14:48.000 secrets from each other even down to things like the uh the day of a 00:14:46.480 --> 00:14:52.399 particular launch when we're a month away but like you said adding a new 00:14:50.240 --> 00:14:56.079 architecture to a team or adding a new architect to a team or 00:14:54.240 --> 00:15:01.839 new engineers to a team um probably won't affect an actual product 00:14:59.279 --> 00:15:06.000 until 18 to 24 months down the line so it really 00:15:03.360 --> 00:15:08.880 raises the question why do they bother well so 00:15:07.600 --> 00:15:13.839 obviously if they're doing that then they believe that there is still a market for discrete higher end 00:15:12.639 --> 00:15:17.360 processors and i think what we're going to find is more of these overlaps are 00:15:15.680 --> 00:15:22.800 going to occur with the server and workstation world there's not going to be any kind of dedicated desktop 00:15:20.880 --> 00:15:28.079 processors i know everybody is afraid about the move of Intel to bga only 00:15:25.279 --> 00:15:32.720 processors um and that's that's kind of an inevitable 00:15:29.519 --> 00:15:34.240 outcome with these 200 and below 00:15:32.720 --> 00:15:37.680 processors that's just the way the markets are going to work 00:15:36.000 --> 00:15:44.000 well you look at the way they trim costs on a motherboard saving 32 cents 00:15:41.120 --> 00:15:48.720 is actually a thing and you look at the cost of a socket if they could stop 00:15:46.320 --> 00:15:52.959 putting a socket on a board i think both Intel and the motherboard manufacturers 00:15:51.120 --> 00:15:59.120 would be giving it the old thumbs up well i think the motherboard manufacturers will hate it because they 00:15:56.160 --> 00:16:04.079 are now responsible then for twice the the product rma right so if a processor 00:16:01.759 --> 00:16:08.959 has an issue they're now responsible for returning that replacing it and all that 00:16:06.480 --> 00:16:13.360 kind of stuff uh it also means they have to have if they want to even attempt to 00:16:11.519 --> 00:16:16.560 offer the same amount of choice they're going to have to drastically increase 00:16:14.880 --> 00:16:20.959 their skew count right so if you get like an ASUS z87 pro motherboard now you 00:16:19.519 --> 00:16:24.320 want it do you want it with the high-end processor the mid-range processor the 00:16:22.560 --> 00:16:27.519 low-end processor i'm going to play devil's advocate here 00:16:26.000 --> 00:16:32.079 and i'm going to throw this at you because having worked in retail i've 00:16:29.519 --> 00:16:38.160 seen a pretty good cross-section of rma percentages and cpus are 00:16:35.680 --> 00:16:43.120 like one in a thousand maybe motherboards are a whole heck of a lot 00:16:40.320 --> 00:16:48.000 more than that so i would actually argue that the CPU 00:16:44.880 --> 00:16:51.519 defects rate will affect motherboard 00:16:48.000 --> 00:16:54.079 rmas less than end user error installing 00:16:51.519 --> 00:16:58.160 cpus into sockets which i've seen a lot of yeah i mean that that's you know 00:16:55.839 --> 00:17:00.720 that's that's entirely possible i guess because 00:16:59.519 --> 00:17:04.160 i well i know for a fact that motherboard vendors hated it when am or 00:17:02.560 --> 00:17:08.400 when Intel removed the pens from the processor and put them on 00:17:05.919 --> 00:17:12.160 the uh the socket themselves and that was kind of everybody took it 00:17:10.160 --> 00:17:14.559 as Intel kind of given the finger to the board vendors and say well if you still 00:17:13.439 --> 00:17:18.000 want to play in our ecosystem you kind of have to do what we want to do so yeah 00:17:16.480 --> 00:17:22.319 i i can see that point of view that that it would actually lower rmas on that 00:17:20.559 --> 00:17:27.679 product as a whole but it still would be a kind of pricing and skewing issue that 00:17:25.439 --> 00:17:31.360 uh Intel would essentially be shipping off to their their board partners they 00:17:29.600 --> 00:17:35.120 probably just have to have less skus like the pro board might come with one 00:17:33.120 --> 00:17:39.120 or two different options and that'll be that and i think honestly it's going to 00:17:36.960 --> 00:17:42.400 cause more problems for the retailers than it will necessarily for the board 00:17:40.960 --> 00:17:45.520 makers because you have to stock so much more stuff and the product managers are 00:17:44.160 --> 00:17:48.720 going to have to be so much more educated than they used to be you can't 00:17:47.600 --> 00:17:53.679 just kind of you know be a machine ordering every 00:17:51.679 --> 00:17:57.200 board ordering every CPU and then just kind of watching what customers buy and 00:17:55.280 --> 00:18:01.520 replenishing as needed you'll have to actually make intelligent choices about 00:17:59.760 --> 00:18:05.840 um and at the product management level both at the manufacturer and at the 00:18:03.360 --> 00:18:08.799 retailer where they have to decide what the end user will probably want 00:18:07.760 --> 00:18:14.160 because sometimes it's not that predictable yeah like i'd put together 00:18:11.039 --> 00:18:15.760 bundles sometimes sort of on a whim oh i 00:18:14.160 --> 00:18:18.400 need a i need to fill up like a fourth bundle spot 00:18:17.200 --> 00:18:22.480 and then that would be the one that would sell and i'd be floored 00:18:23.520 --> 00:18:30.000 unless it's like uh sabre who said 77 and 35 70k then you know that'll do well 00:18:30.320 --> 00:18:38.320 yes and i mean that's another argument for bga because if you paired a sabretooth 00:18:35.520 --> 00:18:42.480 z87 with a 4670k i mean ryan how many people do you think are buying a 00:18:39.360 --> 00:18:44.240 different CPU with that board 00:18:42.480 --> 00:18:49.440 i i honestly don't know i would assume it's not that many right so the the the 00:18:46.320 --> 00:18:51.280 Intel kind of lineup is is fairly 00:18:49.440 --> 00:18:57.120 modest as it is now uh in terms of what parts diy guys are 00:18:54.400 --> 00:19:00.000 actually picking up i'm sure um it's just it's i think when this happens you 00:18:59.039 --> 00:19:03.600 will see people leave the motherboard business 00:19:02.160 --> 00:19:09.200 that aren't giant players already 00:19:06.480 --> 00:19:12.799 what do you think about that um 00:19:10.880 --> 00:19:15.919 i i guess this is it's gonna sound bad i'm okay with that right you know 00:19:14.480 --> 00:19:21.440 they're they're all compare the number of motherboard manufacturers today to what they were 00:19:18.960 --> 00:19:24.320 five ten years ago let's go 10 years ago um and 00:19:26.880 --> 00:19:32.320 um dfi was a big player all these guys that 00:19:30.000 --> 00:19:37.440 used to try to make enthusiasts uh diy parts a lot of them are gone and we're 00:19:34.559 --> 00:19:40.080 really kind of left with a handful ASUS Gigabyte MSI 00:19:39.200 --> 00:19:45.760 um you know you've got others like asrock and evga that are still in there that 00:19:43.440 --> 00:19:48.720 are doing interesting things but it's it's really down to a couple of main 00:19:47.440 --> 00:19:52.320 players but i wouldn't it wouldn't surprise me now Intel's let uh gone 00:19:50.960 --> 00:19:56.799 essentially from that market they're not building boards on their own anymore uh 00:19:55.120 --> 00:20:01.360 that you would kind of really be left with like evie or ASUS and Gigabyte 00:19:59.679 --> 00:20:04.960 maybe that's it right you know you just never know 00:20:03.280 --> 00:20:10.480 fascinating so i'd like to take this opportunity for a moment to uh ask you 00:20:07.440 --> 00:20:12.320 guys to direct some twitter questions to 00:20:10.480 --> 00:20:16.720 ryan we're gonna do a twitter blitz with him before he has to leave us again he 00:20:14.720 --> 00:20:20.880 apparently has to sleep because he's he's weak unlike the rest of us nerds 00:20:19.360 --> 00:20:26.880 yeah i heard you i heard you bashing me earlier for that it's not it's not 00:20:23.760 --> 00:20:29.120 it's not to sleep so much as it is um my 00:20:26.880 --> 00:20:33.919 wife would like to see me on friday i guess is what it comes down to your wife 00:20:31.280 --> 00:20:37.840 actually wants to spend time with you yeah i know it's kind of different it's 00:20:35.840 --> 00:20:41.919 kind of different but you know i i do i do late shows on 00:20:40.080 --> 00:20:47.440 wednesdays and late shows on thursdays and and it's uh it's easier that way 00:20:44.880 --> 00:20:51.200 speaking of which do take this time to pimp your podcast and anything else that 00:20:49.600 --> 00:20:56.240 you think people should definitely pay attention to you on twitter guys you 00:20:53.360 --> 00:21:00.000 need to follow ryan on twitter at pc per but uh ryan tell them a little bit about 00:20:58.080 --> 00:21:04.559 what you do if they don't already know i just kind of came into this with that 00:21:01.360 --> 00:21:06.799 assumption sure uh so pcpur.com is the 00:21:04.559 --> 00:21:11.280 website we do hardware reviews of processors motherboards graphics cards 00:21:09.280 --> 00:21:15.919 uh we do some laptops and some tablets and all that other uh hardware and 00:21:13.520 --> 00:21:18.799 gadgety type stuff we've been doing this for a long time i think it was stuck on 00:21:17.919 --> 00:21:23.120 the phone with somebody i've been doing this for over 13 years almost 14 years 00:21:21.360 --> 00:21:28.159 now yeah you're old man i am trust me 00:21:24.640 --> 00:21:29.919 i'm 31 and i feel like i'm 51 when i see 00:21:28.159 --> 00:21:34.720 how how many people move around in this industry as it is um but pcp.com is the 00:21:33.039 --> 00:21:39.760 website we do a lot of cool stuff there we have our podcast uh which you can get 00:21:37.600 --> 00:21:44.080 access to either the rss or the videos or the audio files at pcper.com 00:21:42.480 --> 00:21:47.360 podcast we record that on wednesday nights um 00:21:45.840 --> 00:21:51.919 live as well i think we have our own pcp.com live channel too so if anybody's 00:21:50.240 --> 00:21:54.799 interested just go to pc pro.com we've got a schedule on the right hand side 00:21:53.360 --> 00:21:58.240 for all of our live events and then all of our reviews 00:21:56.400 --> 00:22:03.039 and articles are obviously throughout the website in fact that was how ryan 00:22:00.559 --> 00:22:06.559 and i met was he invited me to be a guest on the pc per podcast which i 00:22:04.960 --> 00:22:09.840 would of course be happy to do again for you man so uh cool 00:22:08.320 --> 00:22:13.039 definitely throwing that out there he hasn't invited me back though 00:22:15.360 --> 00:22:22.480 i just want more people to see my face everywhere on the internet please ryan 00:22:20.320 --> 00:22:27.120 well see here you don't even i i'm left to a caricature of myself 00:22:24.640 --> 00:22:27.120 in the middle 00:22:28.240 --> 00:22:34.480 i like the artwork with the coloring with the green and the kind of matches the sight design i don't know if that 00:22:32.240 --> 00:22:38.480 was on purpose but i like that my guy is awesome uh that's actually diesel the 00:22:36.559 --> 00:22:42.080 intern is the the guy who does all of our graphics and all that cool stuff and 00:22:40.320 --> 00:22:46.320 i think he did a fantastic job it's definitely on purpose it's an intense 00:22:44.080 --> 00:22:49.760 that's an intense photo of me that's from uh that's from quakecon that i was 00:22:47.840 --> 00:22:54.320 at just a couple weeks ago i think that's the only still photo of him i 00:22:51.760 --> 00:22:57.200 have ever seen no there's one other one is there yeah 00:22:57.360 --> 00:23:05.280 there are some funny ones going around uh there's one from quakecon where somebody i'm wearing uh flashing red 00:23:02.320 --> 00:23:10.159 cooler master uh kanye west glasses and there's a guy in a horse mask behind me 00:23:08.080 --> 00:23:15.200 so look for that excellent 00:23:11.360 --> 00:23:17.520 so speaking of uh kanye west let's talk 00:23:15.200 --> 00:23:23.200 about one of the big things that pc per has been doing that has sort of uh 00:23:20.480 --> 00:23:28.480 rubbed people the wrong way but unlike kanye west has caused some 00:23:25.760 --> 00:23:35.600 definite positive change in the industry and of course i want to talk about AMD's 00:23:32.240 --> 00:23:36.559 new frame pacing driver 00:23:35.600 --> 00:23:40.799 yeah what do you want to know it's it's much better 00:23:41.679 --> 00:23:48.960 thanks man so uh basically here we go this is one of the articles on pcpur.com 00:23:46.640 --> 00:23:54.159 guys definitely check it out if you search for a frame rating catalyst 13.8 00:23:52.240 --> 00:23:58.480 um if you could summarize this in a nutshell give us kind of the story what 00:23:56.559 --> 00:24:04.039 you found out what you reported back to AMD what they said to you and what 00:24:01.039 --> 00:24:05.840 eventually came out as 00:24:04.039 --> 00:24:12.720 13.8 so the the drama has been going on for a 00:24:08.080 --> 00:24:12.720 long time right where we discovered that 00:24:13.200 --> 00:24:19.200 AMD's multi-GPU technology 00:24:17.279 --> 00:24:22.559 has been producing some awkward results uh hard work is one way of 00:24:21.360 --> 00:24:28.640 putting it bad they're very they're they're bad results you were getting much lower 00:24:25.440 --> 00:24:29.840 observed frame rates than what you would 00:24:28.640 --> 00:24:35.440 appear to be getting when you looked at benchmark numbers and fraps and in most reviews 00:24:32.480 --> 00:24:38.720 and uh that was you know we we kind of we worked out a new benchmarking system 00:24:37.679 --> 00:24:42.400 where we're actually capturing the output directly from the graphics card 00:24:40.799 --> 00:24:46.480 uh and then doing post-processing analyzation analyzation rather on that 00:24:45.360 --> 00:24:50.880 data and it took a long time right so the 00:24:48.799 --> 00:24:55.120 idea of micro stuttering the idea that people who for years and years really 00:24:53.440 --> 00:25:00.480 have felt that you know when i am running multiple gpus it doesn't feel as 00:24:57.919 --> 00:25:05.679 smooth sometimes as when i'm running on a single GPU and that was almost as far 00:25:03.279 --> 00:25:09.200 as the anal analyzing got because it was impossible to 00:25:07.360 --> 00:25:14.799 quantify it in any meaningful way because and there was so much 00:25:11.360 --> 00:25:17.919 fun yeah sorry yeah there was i mean you 00:25:14.799 --> 00:25:19.919 went on any forum and there was a dozen 00:25:17.919 --> 00:25:24.080 people saying this and a dozen people saying that and no one agreed with 00:25:22.159 --> 00:25:27.279 anyone right and everybody said some people said oh i don't see it and some 00:25:25.600 --> 00:25:32.400 people said it's it's horrendous i cannot play 00:25:28.640 --> 00:25:34.000 on an uh sli or crossfire system and 00:25:32.400 --> 00:25:38.799 that went on basically since the reintroduction of multi-GPU into the 00:25:36.240 --> 00:25:42.640 world of pc enthusiasts um and so the the advent of this what we 00:25:40.640 --> 00:25:46.960 call frame rating which is the ability to capture the output directly i mean 00:25:44.720 --> 00:25:51.440 the amount of data that this requires is tremendous if we capture 2560 by 1440 at 00:25:50.080 --> 00:25:56.799 60 hertz essentially emulating a display we're 00:25:53.520 --> 00:25:59.440 talking about 400 to 425 megabytes per 00:25:56.799 --> 00:26:04.000 second of right that we have to you know get into a storage system to get raw raw 00:26:02.000 --> 00:26:07.279 data out of it and sustainable if you drop one frame you have to throw the 00:26:05.360 --> 00:26:11.360 whole thing away correct right if you miss if you miss one frame all the data 00:26:09.360 --> 00:26:14.080 he did was wrong so it took us a while to figure out the right hardware 00:26:12.559 --> 00:26:17.760 combination and software combination and get that to work but we have done it and 00:26:15.760 --> 00:26:22.720 what we did over several over several months and several articles was show 00:26:19.679 --> 00:26:24.720 here's where AMD is faulting their their 00:26:22.720 --> 00:26:28.880 their crossfire is not balanced it's not pacing the frames out in a in a 00:26:26.720 --> 00:26:34.880 comfortable way that makes the animation smooth on the screen and AMD 00:26:32.240 --> 00:26:39.200 at first fought back about it uh and then slowly you know how you have like 00:26:36.480 --> 00:26:43.840 those five stages of acceptance right so you can move in and you're angry at 00:26:41.279 --> 00:26:47.760 first and then your denial yeah yeah you deny it and 00:26:45.120 --> 00:26:53.039 they eventually accepted it and they started work on a new driver and this 00:26:50.159 --> 00:26:57.679 was not a a minor task they had to rewrite much of their catalyst 00:26:56.080 --> 00:27:03.120 software stack in order to get this to work so they spent a lot of time and they put 00:27:00.480 --> 00:27:07.120 a lot of effort into getting this fixed and with the catalyst 13.8 beta they 00:27:05.840 --> 00:27:10.640 essentially have been able to in my opinion they 00:27:08.880 --> 00:27:13.919 haven't made it as good as what NVIDIA has done with their frame pacing but 00:27:12.000 --> 00:27:22.159 it's close enough that for the very specific situations 00:27:18.799 --> 00:27:25.919 i would consider crossfire to be a fixed 00:27:22.159 --> 00:27:27.760 problem andy when i started my honest 00:27:25.919 --> 00:27:32.240 situations are single monitor 00:27:30.000 --> 00:27:36.400 uh attachment oh hold on ryan we're dropping uh we're 00:27:34.559 --> 00:27:40.080 dropping some frames on the stream here let's just see if uh it has to do with 00:27:38.559 --> 00:27:45.039 that sorry um so i think we're back now it looks like 00:27:42.960 --> 00:27:50.159 we're not dropping any frames and uh okay here we go starting voice 00:27:47.919 --> 00:27:54.880 chat and bringing ryan back to the show 00:27:52.880 --> 00:27:58.640 nope no well we're trying to bring ryan back to the show okay let's go ahead and 00:27:56.640 --> 00:28:04.880 give this one more try here man i love this show anything can happen 00:28:02.480 --> 00:28:10.480 you never know what's gonna happen in theory we've got like news and uh 00:28:08.240 --> 00:28:14.880 we should be wgh live what's gonna happen live yeah 00:28:12.559 --> 00:28:18.240 like it could be absolutely anything oh apparently oh ryan schroed is calling 00:28:17.520 --> 00:28:23.840 me yo dawg hey that sounds like a connection again 00:28:22.559 --> 00:28:27.919 all right okay so let's look okay let's go to mine 00:28:26.080 --> 00:28:32.000 and ryan's conversation apparently that's what we're gonna go to let's go 00:28:29.600 --> 00:28:35.360 let's go to uh here we go this 00:28:33.039 --> 00:28:40.559 okay so you were telling us about how AMD's drivers basically were not up to 00:28:38.480 --> 00:28:44.799 snuff the observed frame rate was much lower and they pretty much rewrote a 00:28:42.960 --> 00:28:51.279 huge part of their catalyst driver to release 13.8 and this is a graph from 00:28:47.960 --> 00:28:52.080 pcpur.com tell us about this 00:28:51.279 --> 00:28:58.799 so what used to happen before 00:28:54.720 --> 00:28:58.799 is that your framing is reported 00:29:01.279 --> 00:29:07.679 hold on audio quality is uh deciding that it hates its life here 00:29:06.240 --> 00:29:13.440 we're not dropping any frames on the stream yet but uh 00:29:10.880 --> 00:29:16.559 let's oh we're dropping frames yeah okay we're 00:29:15.760 --> 00:29:23.200 done and we're back with reduced stream 00:29:19.200 --> 00:29:25.120 quality again which is a most excellent 00:29:23.200 --> 00:29:33.440 thing so ryan let's pick up where we left off tell us about this graph 00:29:28.640 --> 00:29:33.440 right here to my camera right 00:29:33.600 --> 00:29:40.240 so uh what the what the graph used to tell us before the 13.8 driver 00:29:38.640 --> 00:29:43.919 is that there was a difference between what fraps would see 00:29:42.399 --> 00:29:47.679 in terms of performance and what our observed frame rate would see in terms 00:29:45.919 --> 00:29:52.240 of performance and our observed frame rate took things out that were we 00:29:50.640 --> 00:29:55.919 considered to call runt frames frames that were too small to really matter or 00:29:54.240 --> 00:29:59.279 drop frames that obviously never show up on the screen well fraps sees things 00:29:57.440 --> 00:30:05.840 differently than what you do when you actually capture the video directly so 00:30:02.720 --> 00:30:07.520 um what 13.8 does it implements 00:30:05.840 --> 00:30:10.960 something called frame pacing when you have two gpus 00:30:09.039 --> 00:30:15.360 rather than immediately 00:30:12.240 --> 00:30:16.720 tell each GPU to render the next frame 00:30:15.360 --> 00:30:21.200 as soon as the next one's done what you do is you kind of you watch what the 00:30:19.440 --> 00:30:24.799 pattern of frames are doing how long it takes each frame 00:30:22.799 --> 00:30:28.320 to render and you kind of adjust the time a little bit here and there you 00:30:26.559 --> 00:30:31.919 maybe pause a little bit before you send the data from the game engine to the 00:30:30.640 --> 00:30:36.640 next uh or for the next frame to the next GPU so 00:30:34.720 --> 00:30:40.640 that you get an even distribution of frames both being rendered and thus 00:30:39.039 --> 00:30:45.600 being displayed on the screen at the same time and it's a it's more of an art 00:30:43.120 --> 00:30:51.039 than a science as it turns out because there's so much that happens 00:30:48.080 --> 00:30:56.080 between the game engine directx the GPU driver and then the GPU hardware itself 00:30:53.919 --> 00:30:59.840 um so it it it's it's it's kind of something that 00:30:58.320 --> 00:31:03.840 it took a long time for them to be able to get right or close enough to write 00:31:02.240 --> 00:31:09.120 and as i was saying earlier like the 13.8 driver is a big enough step forward 00:31:07.120 --> 00:31:13.760 that i'm comfortable saying that AMD has fixed it for 00:31:11.120 --> 00:31:20.799 single monitor configurations so if you have a 1920x1080 screen or a 2560x4 00:31:19.039 --> 00:31:25.919 resolution monitor and you have crossfire 7970s or 7870s or you have one 00:31:24.159 --> 00:31:31.679 of the 7990s then i think that what AMD has done has 00:31:28.880 --> 00:31:35.679 improved things enough for me to start recommending those configurations again 00:31:33.679 --> 00:31:40.960 i should also note it doesn't fix dx9 games the only fixes dx 10 and 11. 00:31:38.720 --> 00:31:44.559 um that was more of a time issue for them i guess but dx9 games 00:31:43.200 --> 00:31:49.120 we'll go ahead and give them the benefit of the doubt that um those tend to be 00:31:47.600 --> 00:31:53.120 lower demanding on your graphics cards so you know if 00:31:51.600 --> 00:31:57.919 they had to put priorities someplace dx 10 and 11 make sense 00:31:55.840 --> 00:32:01.840 yeah and it's it's not like that might come out when this isn't in beta anymore 00:32:00.159 --> 00:32:07.519 or something that could be a future feature i mean with that said witcher 2 00:32:03.840 --> 00:32:10.000 is directx 9 yep so yeah still pretty 00:32:07.519 --> 00:32:13.360 important and but like i said like it still could come 00:32:11.440 --> 00:32:17.840 the other thing that i think is worth noting is 00:32:15.679 --> 00:32:23.600 this does not improve ifinity configurations at all 00:32:20.720 --> 00:32:28.000 so if you are a user that has a triple monitor setup for gaming it's it's very 00:32:26.480 --> 00:32:32.240 likely then that you will also have a crossfire configuration of some kind uh 00:32:30.799 --> 00:32:36.720 and this this current driver does not fix that 00:32:34.640 --> 00:32:41.200 AMD has said that they're working on improving that and getting that fixed 00:32:38.399 --> 00:32:45.679 address to those resolutions as well but i don't have a timetable for it and 00:32:43.440 --> 00:32:51.760 i don't really have a whole lot of confidence they'll get that in place 00:32:47.840 --> 00:32:54.080 like before their next GPU launch even 00:32:51.760 --> 00:32:58.399 right so actually that was uh that was one of those next things i was going to 00:32:55.760 --> 00:33:03.840 say is how important was the timing for AMD to get this driver fix for them to 00:33:01.440 --> 00:33:08.240 have a really compelling story around their upcoming gpus because for a long 00:33:06.240 --> 00:33:14.000 time they had that timer on their website uh AMD world's fastest graphics 00:33:11.360 --> 00:33:18.559 card for however long running for them to be able to realistically claim a 00:33:15.840 --> 00:33:23.039 crown like that it can't be like world's fastest graphics card asterisk if you 00:33:21.279 --> 00:33:27.440 run at this particular resolution with this particular configuration in this 00:33:24.880 --> 00:33:27.440 particular 00:33:28.880 --> 00:33:34.559 the the issue i had with that claim because the 790 launched the middle of 00:33:33.279 --> 00:33:41.360 all this commotion right so when 79.90 7990k mount 00:33:38.559 --> 00:33:45.519 uh it obviously depends on crossfire to function a better than a single radio 00:33:43.760 --> 00:33:49.279 hd7970 so that claims the world's fastest graphics 00:33:48.399 --> 00:33:54.640 i kind of hadn't laughed at it and it is if you look at 3d marks and if you look at 00:33:53.120 --> 00:33:58.080 fraps and you're not looking at kind of the experience of playing the game then 00:33:56.880 --> 00:34:03.120 those claims could be made realistically uh but 00:34:01.760 --> 00:34:09.200 the truth is it wasn't until this driver came out that i didn't think they had a realistic 00:34:06.000 --> 00:34:11.919 option of digging that claim but uh the 00:34:09.200 --> 00:34:15.520 world of reality in the world of public relations and marketing and advertising 00:34:14.079 --> 00:34:18.480 are very different uh and not just in computer hardware but 00:34:17.359 --> 00:34:23.679 in most of the things that we're involved with in our life uh right so it 00:34:21.520 --> 00:34:27.359 didn't it didn't surprise me although it did 00:34:24.960 --> 00:34:30.800 i think uh getting a lot of flack for in the in the online community and on 00:34:29.359 --> 00:34:35.679 forums and stuff like that from articles like mine that pointed out those flaws 00:34:33.520 --> 00:34:40.079 all right well you sound like you're on auto-tune uh speaking of kanye west 00:34:38.159 --> 00:34:45.359 again because i think we're at the very limit of what our connection can sustain 00:34:42.320 --> 00:34:47.919 right now i am very envious of you for 00:34:45.359 --> 00:34:52.879 even having the opportunity to pay however much too much you're paying for 00:34:50.159 --> 00:34:56.800 30 30 fiber because i think it's time for us to move in that direction i guess 00:34:55.119 --> 00:35:00.839 we'll have to let you go because we apparently can't do voice and video at 00:34:58.960 --> 00:35:05.520 the same time right now but thank you ryan um 00:35:02.800 --> 00:35:09.520 once again guys oh sorry go ahead absolutely and uh if you guys 00:35:08.160 --> 00:35:13.040 we can try to get another week it's not gonna be a deal once uh you get the 00:35:11.359 --> 00:35:17.599 internet figured out and uh i'd love to come on and talk about these issues and 00:35:15.440 --> 00:35:20.000 more when we know more about next reviews that are coming up in cpus as 00:35:19.200 --> 00:35:26.320 well all right why don't we schedule you intentively for after AMD releases their 00:35:24.000 --> 00:35:29.760 new graphics cards i'm really sorry to the viewers as well as you ryan because 00:35:28.079 --> 00:35:32.880 i really had a few more topics that i wanted to touch on with you that i 00:35:31.839 --> 00:35:37.920 thought you were going to have some great contributions to um so once again 00:35:35.359 --> 00:35:41.440 guys ryan from pc per who talks like a 00:35:40.079 --> 00:35:45.839 robot a little a little bit more cuts in there but that was pretty good 00:35:47.040 --> 00:35:51.920 thanks ryan thanks 00:35:50.320 --> 00:35:56.560 he really does sound like he's on auto tune 00:35:53.760 --> 00:36:01.280 okay so hopefully this can hold all right hopefully hopefully ryan's 00:35:58.640 --> 00:36:06.000 wife is okay with us taking up far too much of his time here tonight 00:36:03.839 --> 00:36:12.160 and can i just yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah nuke that all 00:36:07.680 --> 00:36:13.920 right so back to the regular show here 00:36:12.160 --> 00:36:17.920 guys i'm sorry we weren't able to do some of the twitter questions for ryan 00:36:16.000 --> 00:36:21.359 uh due to the technical difficulties with our internet connection we're gonna 00:36:19.680 --> 00:36:25.680 get in touch with our provider and see if we can get some kind of white list 00:36:23.839 --> 00:36:30.240 thing going on or we a callback i'm scheduled on a callback so 00:36:27.839 --> 00:36:34.000 i might be running at some point but yeah all right so yeah they don't like 00:36:32.480 --> 00:36:38.960 how much bandwidth we're eating right now no let's jump into the dangers of 00:36:37.040 --> 00:36:45.440 online impersonation yeah which i think was an article by you and this is 00:36:41.359 --> 00:36:46.560 awesome this is freaking amazing so this 00:36:45.440 --> 00:36:51.359 website is actually um like a buddy of mine from 00:36:49.680 --> 00:36:55.920 the industry's website i'm not going to name any names he actually recently left 00:36:53.760 --> 00:37:01.839 the company he was at and it's just like his personal site and i really hope it 00:36:59.119 --> 00:37:05.280 loads for me it's i'll i'm just gonna i'm just gonna stop i'm just gonna shut 00:37:03.280 --> 00:37:07.200 my computer down 00:37:07.200 --> 00:37:11.839 apparently we can't even load a website 00:37:10.480 --> 00:37:15.760 in addition to what we're streaming right now like we 00:37:13.599 --> 00:37:19.440 are at the very limits of what our internet connection can do 00:37:18.079 --> 00:37:22.480 which is phenomenally disappointing if you can 00:37:21.359 --> 00:37:32.880 hold i'm just going to go around and turn off everything in the house yeah just just just do it hit everything 00:37:27.680 --> 00:37:32.880 um there's another thing uh anyways 00:37:33.520 --> 00:37:37.079 all right cool 00:37:41.200 --> 00:37:48.160 our bit rate ain't uh ain't even that high there guys 00:37:46.160 --> 00:37:53.680 we we're not we're not asking for that much we're trying to load a page that is 00:37:50.560 --> 00:37:53.680 all text right now 00:37:56.800 --> 00:38:01.920 i'm gonna take a sip of water calm my nerves 00:38:02.079 --> 00:38:08.640 i'm gonna like shut off wi-fi on my phone 00:38:05.520 --> 00:38:10.720 okay everything in the house is off or 00:38:08.640 --> 00:38:15.040 not connected to our internet at all except for the server which i'm assuming 00:38:13.040 --> 00:38:19.280 you don't want me to do your laptop in that computer 00:38:16.240 --> 00:38:21.040 all right 00:38:19.280 --> 00:38:24.640 yeah um no so 00:38:22.800 --> 00:38:29.119 there's a few topics that i can probably do without the pages 00:38:27.440 --> 00:38:33.200 if you can tweet the urls maybe from your phone through 00:38:31.280 --> 00:38:36.880 we can get people to see the pages that way all right and i won't turn on my 00:38:35.599 --> 00:38:42.160 computer but if you can bring me to the dock all right a little bit of a cool which 00:38:39.920 --> 00:38:46.240 urls do you want all right so there's grand theft auto online 00:38:43.920 --> 00:38:50.079 and civilization online are two things that were very recently launched 00:38:48.320 --> 00:38:53.119 let's talk civ online because i want them to be able to watch the trailer 00:38:51.520 --> 00:38:56.160 with us optimally okay so is sieve online even in here 00:38:54.720 --> 00:39:00.480 save online is not in here but i was going to do it as a combo topic with 00:38:58.240 --> 00:39:04.960 grand theft auto of course you were um i find it interesting that these companies 00:39:02.560 --> 00:39:10.800 like civilization sid meier civilization um are releasing dlcs and planning new 00:39:07.680 --> 00:39:12.480 releases for their single-player games 00:39:10.800 --> 00:39:15.680 um that have maybe a multiplayer component but then are also releasing an 00:39:14.079 --> 00:39:20.480 online version like a non-numbered iteration online 00:39:17.680 --> 00:39:22.960 version of their game so gta 5 is coming out soon 00:39:21.599 --> 00:39:27.440 but then all these announcements about gta online 00:39:25.200 --> 00:39:32.640 it's just kind of weird it's it's interesting market position um 00:39:30.720 --> 00:39:38.800 it looks very different gta online is sandboxy like gta 5 00:39:36.960 --> 00:39:43.280 but there's a lot of you can make your own little like combat levels 00:39:41.040 --> 00:39:48.800 and you can customize is it just combat levels 00:39:44.240 --> 00:39:48.800 all right here we go 3g to the rescue 00:39:49.920 --> 00:39:57.839 and here it is folks so this is the gta online trailer which looks absolutely 00:39:55.599 --> 00:39:57.839 amazing 00:40:02.240 --> 00:40:08.800 rockstar games is looking to bring the heart of the grand theft auto experience 00:40:06.400 --> 00:40:13.440 to a living online world with multiple players 00:40:11.119 --> 00:40:18.240 just what you choose to do in that world is up to you 00:40:14.800 --> 00:40:21.280 we're back at even lower quality 00:40:18.240 --> 00:40:26.160 so there you go guys back to the 00:40:21.280 --> 00:40:26.160 gta trailer that we left off on here 00:40:28.480 --> 00:40:31.760 i'm going to try pressing that again 00:40:32.960 --> 00:40:41.000 so you can you can rob liquor stores this is like a classic online 00:40:37.280 --> 00:40:41.000 multiplayer gamepl 00:40:52.400 --> 00:41:00.800 uh left me wondering about is can you like be a cop real money maybe 00:40:57.920 --> 00:41:04.720 you can buy interesting i doubt it but interesting 00:41:02.079 --> 00:41:08.880 so here's just someone's like cool pad and here's someone's like cool garage 00:41:06.640 --> 00:41:14.319 with cool cars in it so they've got racing game elements 00:41:10.720 --> 00:41:17.280 FPS game elements flying game elements 00:41:14.319 --> 00:41:21.200 what appears to be like riptide like 00:41:18.079 --> 00:41:21.200 sort of helps you progress 00:41:22.400 --> 00:41:28.160 they're going to have everything my one thing is i hope they make it big enough 00:41:26.640 --> 00:41:31.520 because this gta online there's going to be a million people actually more than 00:41:30.720 --> 00:41:38.640 that trying to play well they claim that they're going to be constantly expanding 00:41:35.920 --> 00:41:41.760 the game world yeah i just hope they start with it expanded enough because 00:41:40.160 --> 00:41:45.040 there's gonna be a huge rush of people they've got a map editor where they're 00:41:43.599 --> 00:41:49.119 saying they'll allow you to build your own levels and your own uh challenges 00:41:47.599 --> 00:41:52.400 and stuff like that and it looks like a very solid map editing 00:41:57.520 --> 00:42:03.440 so there you have it guys gta online so you were tying this into civilization 00:42:02.560 --> 00:42:08.240 online i just i find it interesting that games 00:42:06.000 --> 00:42:11.280 we saw this a while back and it didn't really take and now it's kind of 00:42:09.839 --> 00:42:14.800 happening again where games are trying to release the like uh online 00:42:13.359 --> 00:42:18.319 nomenclature on the end of their game just release it and go with it 00:42:16.800 --> 00:42:24.720 but i think it can actually work this time before the infrastructure wasn't really 00:42:20.880 --> 00:42:27.040 there now it is i think this gta maybe 00:42:24.720 --> 00:42:31.200 civilization but gta more i think can actually run with this and have their 00:42:28.880 --> 00:42:34.480 more single players super graphics super heavy 00:42:32.079 --> 00:42:39.119 uh modifiable everything because the modding community behind gta 4 is insane 00:42:37.040 --> 00:42:42.720 some of the screenshots for gta 4 are just nuts 00:42:41.119 --> 00:42:48.240 and really really heavy single player storyline but then also have gta online 00:42:46.560 --> 00:42:50.880 i think it's a really good move it's interesting but i think it's a really good move 00:42:50.160 --> 00:42:56.319 so civilization 5 online or civilization 00:42:54.319 --> 00:43:00.240 online or whatever you want to call it because this would be civilization six 00:42:58.160 --> 00:43:03.520 by this point it it would be civilization six if that's what you 00:43:01.839 --> 00:43:09.599 called it but then it it acts differently because you can like it is much more 00:43:07.359 --> 00:43:14.000 online than civilization five is cause civilization is one of the worst 00:43:11.119 --> 00:43:18.079 multiplayer experiences ever i mean i've been trying to get a civilization 00:43:16.640 --> 00:43:23.440 online game completed since like civ 2 test of time 00:43:21.119 --> 00:43:27.760 they have they have a freaking option so that you can have it so it sends out an 00:43:25.280 --> 00:43:31.839 email when it's someone's turn so they can log in and then do their 00:43:29.440 --> 00:43:35.920 turn and then people can wait so it's going to be more like words with friends 00:43:33.440 --> 00:43:39.119 no i'm talking about uh five to five oh the existing like 00:43:37.440 --> 00:43:42.560 yeah the newer one is supposed to be a perpetual environment which is 00:43:40.880 --> 00:43:45.599 interesting i just and i think this might fix their whole awkward online 00:43:44.319 --> 00:43:50.720 situation that they've had for a long time so it's going to be real time game 00:43:49.359 --> 00:43:55.040 because you'd lose a lot of the civilization 00:43:53.040 --> 00:43:57.280 you have your like okay i i don't know if there's not enough 00:43:56.079 --> 00:44:02.400 information out there yet or i just haven't been able to find it but you have your kind of perpetual main city 00:44:00.640 --> 00:44:06.839 and then you can make expansions and push out and those can be destroyed but 00:44:04.319 --> 00:44:10.319 i think your means that you can't hmm although i could definitely be wrong 00:44:08.720 --> 00:44:15.520 someone correct me on twitter which i can't check but yes do so i will get 00:44:13.280 --> 00:44:19.359 that later yeah 00:44:17.440 --> 00:44:25.680 all right well that's uh that's kind of exciting speaking of extremely 00:44:22.400 --> 00:44:29.280 crazy exciting trailers guys 00:44:25.680 --> 00:44:33.200 check this out 00:44:29.280 --> 00:44:34.720 so if any children are watching stop yes 00:44:33.200 --> 00:44:40.160 and there's a bunch of like awards and whatnot so this is the 00:44:36.400 --> 00:44:40.160 uh this is the witcher 3 trailer 00:44:44.079 --> 00:44:51.119 by order of the emperor of nilfgaard for the murder of the wounded loading 00:44:49.680 --> 00:44:54.319 okay i gotta stop this for a second did you just call it milf guard 00:44:57.359 --> 00:45:00.480 they're trying to protect their women 00:45:01.920 --> 00:45:07.920 cannibalism you are hereby sentenced to death by 00:45:05.839 --> 00:45:11.680 hanging okay now hold on a second 00:45:09.680 --> 00:45:15.920 they call the place milf guard and then they're sentencing this woman 00:45:14.240 --> 00:45:21.440 to death by hanging i mean are they guarding them 00:45:19.119 --> 00:45:25.400 mind you she's not even that old anyway 00:45:22.400 --> 00:45:25.400 dormant 00:45:33.440 --> 00:45:38.319 don't meddle take the reward and let's go 00:45:42.240 --> 00:45:47.839 knew you witches wouldn't score an imperial goal 00:45:54.160 --> 00:46:01.119 evil is evil lesser greater middling 00:45:58.560 --> 00:46:01.119 makes no 00:46:09.040 --> 00:46:15.920 the degree is arbitrary the definitions blurred if i'm to choose between one 00:46:14.319 --> 00:46:23.319 evil and another i'd rather not choose it all 00:46:19.520 --> 00:46:23.319 just make it quick 00:46:32.800 --> 00:46:36.920 i bet she doesn't close her eyes 00:46:52.880 --> 00:46:59.119 what are you doing killing monsters 00:46:57.520 --> 00:47:02.560 all right so that was kind of the punch line there killing monsters and there's 00:47:00.960 --> 00:47:08.800 a big and we're hopefully back so uh 00:47:05.520 --> 00:47:11.040 anyway guys our isp says through twitter 00:47:08.800 --> 00:47:14.800 that they are not throttling us we have no idea what else it would be 00:47:13.040 --> 00:47:19.280 um however we'll give them the benefit of the doubt maybe they're not i don't 00:47:16.960 --> 00:47:24.000 know but it looks an awful lot like that because as soon as we start streaming up 00:47:21.520 --> 00:47:28.079 our internet connection goes into the toilet 00:47:25.040 --> 00:47:31.040 and decides to it works 00:47:28.079 --> 00:47:35.280 it works but it's very poorly very very very slow you guys saw what the symptoms 00:47:33.200 --> 00:47:39.839 looked like so what would happen was uh ryan's voice communication with us would 00:47:37.440 --> 00:47:44.160 get very garbled but things are getting through until it 00:47:41.680 --> 00:47:51.200 screeches to a halt so it really feels like it whatever's being done is uh 00:47:48.079 --> 00:47:52.400 is whatever i i really i really can't 00:47:51.200 --> 00:47:56.720 think of anything else that would cause something like this Linus even started 00:47:54.240 --> 00:48:00.400 doing his laptop off 3g instead of our wi-fi so the only computer in the entire 00:47:58.800 --> 00:48:03.920 house running off the internet was this desktop 00:48:01.920 --> 00:48:09.520 so we'll have a look uh shaw is telling the people that tweet them about me 00:48:07.119 --> 00:48:12.400 being throttled that i should direct message them and they'll get it 00:48:10.640 --> 00:48:15.119 addressed so i have direct message them hopefully they'll get it addressed 00:48:13.680 --> 00:48:19.680 hopefully we won't go down again so let's just keep this rolling so good 00:48:17.599 --> 00:48:24.319 trailer or bad trailer the witcher 3 wild hunt trailer i think it was a 00:48:22.480 --> 00:48:27.280 good trailer okay but do you even know what you're 00:48:25.839 --> 00:48:31.119 going to drink because there was no in-game material 00:48:29.760 --> 00:48:34.559 whatsoever that's why i said it depends what you're looking for okay 00:48:33.119 --> 00:48:40.480 there's a difference between an in-game trailer and a hype trailer this was a hype trailer i personally like in-game 00:48:38.640 --> 00:48:43.520 trailers more but still appreciate height trailers i just wish they would 00:48:41.920 --> 00:48:48.079 have released an in-game trailer first cause the grand theft auto online 00:48:45.119 --> 00:48:51.760 trailer pretty much sold that game to anyone who watched it yep whereas the 00:48:49.920 --> 00:48:56.240 witchers because what's the difference between hype and 00:48:53.680 --> 00:49:00.319 selling the game like it's still selling the game though but 00:48:58.319 --> 00:49:04.079 okay it's drawing well okay it's drawing interest to it now everyone knows 00:49:02.240 --> 00:49:06.640 everyone's seen this video now it's been around so much it's been tweeted around 00:49:05.680 --> 00:49:11.920 so much now they're interested now hopefully they'll get off their butts and release 00:49:09.760 --> 00:49:15.760 a gameplay trailer fast enough and that will sell people i mean here's my 00:49:13.680 --> 00:49:19.040 problem too like i actually like i didn't play through a huge part of the 00:49:17.359 --> 00:49:22.880 campaign or anything but i've got a few hours on witcher 2. i've got 00:49:21.119 --> 00:49:27.680 i think around five or six hours on witcher one like i played through some 00:49:26.160 --> 00:49:32.800 they didn't tuck me in at all and that trailer looked 00:49:30.319 --> 00:49:36.480 absolutely nothing like witcher gameplay yeah nothing what what i liked about 00:49:35.200 --> 00:49:39.680 witcher 1 was the insane amount of customization 00:49:38.640 --> 00:49:44.720 stuff and these same amount of things that you had to do depending on who you were fighting 00:49:42.000 --> 00:49:48.480 um but didn't find the rest of it very engaging so didn't keep playing i could 00:49:46.400 --> 00:49:53.680 tell that it was a good game i just ah i just wanted to do other things and 00:49:50.880 --> 00:49:58.000 then witcher 2 i got to this like port city 00:49:54.640 --> 00:49:59.440 yeah and was just like what do i do this 00:49:58.000 --> 00:50:03.760 isn't sandbox enough that i can do anything i want but then it's 00:50:01.839 --> 00:50:07.119 not straight line enough that i have no idea what i'm supposed to be doing right 00:50:05.040 --> 00:50:10.800 now which was i don't know i could have looked it up 00:50:08.640 --> 00:50:15.920 but i was like man i'm just gonna go do other stuff 00:50:12.720 --> 00:50:18.160 right so i don't know i guess we'll uh 00:50:15.920 --> 00:50:22.559 we'll see but i i mean from my perspective as much as i enjoy watching 00:50:20.800 --> 00:50:26.559 these cinematic trailers like the dead island trailer oh my goodness that was 00:50:25.280 --> 00:50:31.119 awesome but that's the point of hype trailer like hype trailer is still interesting 00:50:29.359 --> 00:50:34.480 it's like i still remember that yeah never was even tempted for a second to 00:50:32.960 --> 00:50:37.520 buy the game especially once i heard how terrible it was yeah 00:50:36.319 --> 00:50:43.520 you're talking about the super slo-mo one where everything's going backwards and the zombies there's the daughter and 00:50:41.680 --> 00:50:46.480 she flies out the window yeah yeah outstanding so good that's one of the 00:50:45.359 --> 00:50:52.640 few trailers that i remember the whole thing of never bought the game never played it but the thing is they have to 00:50:50.480 --> 00:50:55.200 continue it you have to roll off of a hype trailer so you release a hype 00:50:53.920 --> 00:50:59.920 trailer then you have to release other stuff release like a little bit of gameplay 00:50:58.240 --> 00:51:03.760 like uh battlefield they released some hype stuff and then 00:51:01.520 --> 00:51:07.200 they released the like 14 minutes of gameplay or whatever it was okay that 00:51:05.280 --> 00:51:10.640 was smart that was battlefield 4. so good timing would be gamescom go to 00:51:09.280 --> 00:51:14.480 actually totally the gameplay that would be perfect if 00:51:12.319 --> 00:51:18.880 they do that that would be like a very very good transition 00:51:16.880 --> 00:51:21.440 i hope they do that okay so that would probably they'll 00:51:20.319 --> 00:51:26.960 probably be about the right time for that cd project's an awesome company city project red is just great so i just 00:51:25.599 --> 00:51:31.440 i hope they do it all right so let's move into our next 00:51:29.040 --> 00:51:37.119 topic which is google blocks the Windows phone youtube 00:51:34.480 --> 00:51:42.480 app so google is claiming that microsoft didn't follow their guidelines 00:51:40.240 --> 00:51:46.000 their guidelines sounded pretty uh douche baggy to me 00:51:46.000 --> 00:51:52.720 so i i actually didn't really like the verges coverage of this particular uh 00:51:50.720 --> 00:51:56.400 this particular thing however here's the link to theverge.com google blocks 00:51:54.800 --> 00:52:01.520 microsoft's new youtube Windows phone app so here's the basic story um google 00:51:59.760 --> 00:52:06.880 has said we're not going to build a youtube app for Windows phone eight 00:52:04.319 --> 00:52:12.400 okay so microsoft's all like okay well we'll make one yeah at our own 00:52:08.800 --> 00:52:15.280 expense just give us you know 00:52:12.400 --> 00:52:19.359 access to the API let us do these things um so then microsoft released one that 00:52:17.839 --> 00:52:24.240 was actually pretty excellent there wasn't very many 00:52:20.960 --> 00:52:26.480 errors with it until google dropped the 00:52:24.240 --> 00:52:30.640 well hold on no micros google made them pull the first one 00:52:27.920 --> 00:52:35.920 first okay so yeah okay so microsoft broke a couple of google's rules um so 00:52:33.359 --> 00:52:40.400 it allowed downloading videos and it also didn't display any ads 00:52:38.480 --> 00:52:43.599 okay so google wasn't super thrilled about that not surprising they're all 00:52:42.079 --> 00:52:49.200 like well no um stop that and we need you guys to 00:52:46.720 --> 00:52:52.880 integrate support for ads and you need to remove that functionality where 00:52:50.720 --> 00:52:56.480 people can download videos so microsoft is all like okay 00:52:54.319 --> 00:53:00.880 back to the drawing board we're gonna go ahead and do those things and hey we're 00:52:58.720 --> 00:53:05.760 gonna add the functionality to upload videos while we're at it so they 00:53:02.640 --> 00:53:07.119 re-released it and google has pulled it 00:53:05.760 --> 00:53:12.800 again and they just dropped API so all these people that are 00:53:10.559 --> 00:53:16.960 using it it just randomly stops working yeah um and what they're claiming is 00:53:16.000 --> 00:53:23.200 that microsoft's implementation 00:53:19.839 --> 00:53:26.559 and microsoft actually has an awesome 00:53:23.200 --> 00:53:29.119 like awesome public letter right now to 00:53:26.559 --> 00:53:36.880 google where they basically are like yo dawg you didn't build html5 versions 00:53:33.359 --> 00:53:39.839 of your youtube app for iOS or Android 00:53:36.880 --> 00:53:47.359 in fact behind closed doors you've agreed with us that html5 is more of a 00:53:44.000 --> 00:53:50.000 long-term goal and in the meantime we 00:53:47.359 --> 00:53:54.480 have to have something to give our users so that's why we did it this way um 00:53:53.599 --> 00:53:59.760 you know i thought your whole business model was you want people using your services not 00:53:58.720 --> 00:54:04.720 that you're going to try to differentiate your platform Android 00:54:02.960 --> 00:54:09.040 based on allowing people to access youtube 00:54:06.160 --> 00:54:14.079 through an app i heard slightly i heard that but in way more vague terms 00:54:12.640 --> 00:54:18.240 which is it's interesting to hear that but was that in a different article uh 00:54:15.839 --> 00:54:21.520 that was in microsoft's uh open letter like just microsoft's open later okay 00:54:19.680 --> 00:54:25.280 cool because i heard just statements of google being like oh you didn't follow 00:54:22.880 --> 00:54:28.960 our guidelines for the back end that's what i heard not 00:54:26.800 --> 00:54:32.240 you had to make it html5 that's really interesting oh no their letter is 00:54:30.559 --> 00:54:36.079 fantastic i absolutely love it let me just uh 00:54:34.720 --> 00:54:41.280 let me just pull up a link yeah microsoft is hoping that a public 00:54:38.400 --> 00:54:48.720 message detailing the industries the uh the injustices here it is they call it 00:54:44.559 --> 00:54:48.720 the limits of google's openness 00:54:49.119 --> 00:54:56.160 you may be one so this is from their corporate vp and deputy general counsel 00:54:52.880 --> 00:54:59.040 litigation and antitrust microsoft wow 00:54:56.160 --> 00:55:03.760 oh yeah no this is not like engineers like firing shots across each other's 00:55:01.359 --> 00:55:07.680 bows this is this is the big dogs getting involved here 00:55:05.280 --> 00:55:13.200 so this gives the whole history of what went on and also says uh google raises 00:55:11.359 --> 00:55:16.559 concerns about their branding the funny thing about this point is we've been 00:55:14.480 --> 00:55:20.319 using the same branding since 2010 for an inferior youtube app now that we have 00:55:18.640 --> 00:55:24.240 an app that gives users a fuller youtube experience all of a sudden they object 00:55:22.000 --> 00:55:29.440 to the branding finally google cites a degraded experience since 2010 google 00:55:26.720 --> 00:55:32.160 has been permitting a way worse one and 00:55:30.480 --> 00:55:35.839 reviews of our new app are unanimous that the experience is much improved 00:55:33.599 --> 00:55:39.920 we're committed to continuing to make adjustments if google were truly 00:55:37.440 --> 00:55:42.800 concerned about a degraded experience experience 00:55:41.040 --> 00:55:47.359 it would allow our users to access the new youtube app that they love 00:55:45.440 --> 00:55:51.839 we think it's clear that google just doesn't want Windows phone users to have 00:55:49.119 --> 00:55:56.559 the same experience as apple and Android users the the statement from before 00:55:54.880 --> 00:55:59.440 where they're questioning google's openness 00:55:57.920 --> 00:56:02.480 that's very interesting because you you know they're like 20 campaign that they 00:56:01.280 --> 00:56:06.559 had going on are we dropped 00:56:04.799 --> 00:56:10.559 apparently we're not down i can still hear us okay so what i was 00:56:08.720 --> 00:56:16.880 going to talk about apparently we're a podcast now that sounds good to me um 00:56:15.280 --> 00:56:21.119 google's 20 thing where they they would they would let employees spend one day 00:56:18.640 --> 00:56:24.400 of their week working on side projects whatever they wanted to do and then 00:56:22.480 --> 00:56:26.960 there was the google Labs project where you could see all these little random 00:56:25.760 --> 00:56:30.480 side projects and some of them turned into big things like there was a i think 00:56:28.799 --> 00:56:35.040 google plus started as one of the lab projects i believe i'm 00:56:32.480 --> 00:56:40.319 not entirely sure it says that word streaming however we dropped frames 00:56:37.280 --> 00:56:43.319 immediately so we're back potentially at 00:56:40.319 --> 00:56:43.319 240p 00:56:45.040 --> 00:56:52.240 we've got people asking all kinds of inane questions on twitch chat no we're 00:56:49.520 --> 00:56:55.040 not uploading videos right now separately on the connection because we 00:56:53.920 --> 00:56:59.680 aren't stupid and 00:56:57.280 --> 00:57:04.240 yeah definitely not i individually went around the entire office and shut off 00:57:01.920 --> 00:57:10.400 everything like every computer in the house is off even my laptop is tethered 00:57:07.599 --> 00:57:13.280 to my phone at of course a much higher expense 00:57:11.440 --> 00:57:18.799 than uh a landline which should in theory be giving me a 00:57:15.280 --> 00:57:22.160 reasonably decent connection 00:57:18.799 --> 00:57:23.280 all right so we're back at 240p 00:57:22.160 --> 00:57:29.520 boom let's see here we come yeah i know right 00:57:27.040 --> 00:57:33.920 what were we even talking about i had segued us into google 00:57:32.000 --> 00:57:37.599 changing their whole idea because for the longest point in time google was 00:57:35.359 --> 00:57:40.960 this super open company yes that shared everything with everyone tried to make 00:57:39.200 --> 00:57:45.680 everything free who's here i had probably b-roll okay uh 00:57:44.559 --> 00:57:49.599 shared everything with everyone try to make everything free and was just 00:57:48.000 --> 00:57:53.359 making all this money but giving everything out which was interesting 00:57:51.280 --> 00:57:57.200 cool and it worked and then now they seem to be back bending down the hatches 00:57:55.119 --> 00:58:02.559 closing everything down and just totally not being the nice open 00:57:59.359 --> 00:58:04.480 nice and big quotes there um program or 00:58:02.559 --> 00:58:08.079 company that we've known them for so one of the big things that notified this was 00:58:06.240 --> 00:58:14.480 the putting more wood behind fewer aerialist comment by their new ceo yeah 00:58:10.400 --> 00:58:16.160 ceo and getting rid of Labs and getting 00:58:14.480 --> 00:58:20.559 potentially getting rumored to be getting rid of or already gotten rid of 00:58:18.160 --> 00:58:24.960 the 20 program where employees had one day of their five-day work week to just 00:58:22.720 --> 00:58:28.799 work on side projects right so side projects are not really a thing 00:58:27.200 --> 00:58:33.359 anymore they're going to stay focused on the big biz stuff like self-driving cars 00:58:31.200 --> 00:58:37.520 or whatever else in case maybe put all their employees behind it and 00:58:34.559 --> 00:58:42.400 work five days a week on that and maybe not really help a lot of people 00:58:40.000 --> 00:58:46.000 like microsoft to develop their own app all right so let's go into one of the 00:58:44.240 --> 00:58:49.680 topics that i really wanted to do earlier and got cut off and i i really 00:58:48.559 --> 00:58:54.880 don't think you guys are even gonna be able to read this i'm just gonna like 00:58:51.599 --> 00:58:57.599 blow this up as big as possible here so 00:58:54.880 --> 00:59:02.319 this is the double-edged sword that is using social media to communicate with 00:59:00.480 --> 00:59:07.760 your customers so 00:59:03.839 --> 00:59:09.920 bruno payne tweets at united airlines 00:59:07.760 --> 00:59:14.640 note the misspelling there the united airlines staff at gate c8 in 00:59:12.799 --> 00:59:20.160 the airport whatever that is are a complete disrespect hashtag news that 00:59:18.240 --> 00:59:25.839 just goes along so well with this uh profile picture right here they are a 00:59:22.640 --> 00:59:28.400 complete disrespect so let's go ahead 00:59:25.839 --> 00:59:34.160 and move down united airlines says count your blessings at jfk they throw knives 00:59:32.160 --> 00:59:37.599 to which bruno replies is that supposed to be funny 00:59:35.520 --> 00:59:41.920 at jetblue for one takes tweets regarding their company sirius might 00:59:39.520 --> 00:59:45.760 want to take some tips no it's a very serious warning we accidentally hired 00:59:43.760 --> 00:59:50.319 bounty hunters to run that desk and now we can't stop them 00:59:48.480 --> 00:59:54.240 michael tweets for those following i'm still stuck at buffalo at united 00:59:52.559 --> 00:59:57.920 airlines thanks for trying to fight the weather you're doing well here at united 00:59:56.160 --> 01:00:03.040 airlines we strive to not let a little thing like the fury of god prevent us 00:59:59.599 --> 01:00:05.040 from delivering tolerable service 01:00:03.040 --> 01:00:08.559 yes they're horrible in my experience and i avoid them if possible in our 01:00:06.880 --> 01:00:12.240 defense it says on our website that we do not carry the equipment on domestic 01:00:10.000 --> 01:00:16.319 flights to cater to nerds shout out for stranding my wife at ywg 01:00:14.559 --> 01:00:19.760 for nearly 12 hours for a short flight to chicago excellent service after the 01:00:17.920 --> 01:00:24.160 first six hours she technically belonged to us you're just lucky we met our 01:00:21.520 --> 01:00:30.079 monthly quota so this is amazing so this is just a 01:00:27.119 --> 01:00:34.960 completely fake parody airline account um 01:00:31.520 --> 01:00:37.280 so this this guy found out that for 01:00:34.960 --> 01:00:41.680 months angry customers had been tweeting it and says god has given me a great 01:00:40.000 --> 01:00:46.079 beautiful funnel through which angry people flow in the worst possible mood 01:00:44.240 --> 01:00:52.000 this is comedy gold i absolutely loved it 01:00:49.920 --> 01:00:55.599 what is the recourse 01:00:53.680 --> 01:00:59.920 for someone like united airlines how do they prevent this from happening 01:00:58.240 --> 01:01:04.000 you have to go through the very few amount of tools that are even available 01:01:01.599 --> 01:01:07.440 to you one of which is the official little check mark thing but you can't 01:01:05.760 --> 01:01:12.799 even apply for that i can't even yes verified by twitter 01:01:10.400 --> 01:01:17.599 is not an application process they have to reach out to you so i can't even 01:01:15.280 --> 01:01:20.880 apply so if someone else made at linustick 01:01:19.119 --> 01:01:24.319 for example on twitter i'm sure there's going to be a dozen of them now 01:01:22.480 --> 01:01:28.480 but if someone made that Linus tick on twitter there's nothing i can do 01:01:26.960 --> 01:01:33.200 to redirect people to the correct twitter account use your same photo same 01:01:30.880 --> 01:01:35.760 background it's way too easy it's way too easy 01:01:37.680 --> 01:01:42.880 i i find it hilarious but it's also worrisome at the same time now that you 01:01:41.119 --> 01:01:46.880 brought up like the possibility of Linus tick yep 01:01:44.640 --> 01:01:49.920 so i mean this is a and i mean i think this is this is something that everyone 01:01:48.559 --> 01:01:54.160 needs to be aware of i mean i wish twitter would take account takedowns 01:01:52.000 --> 01:01:59.359 more seriously it is extreme like i tried to um 01:01:56.160 --> 01:02:01.280 i tried to take over at Linus tech tips 01:01:59.359 --> 01:02:06.720 or at Linus sebastian or something like that where it was an obvious 01:02:03.920 --> 01:02:09.520 uh twitter account's water and they basically said 01:02:08.400 --> 01:02:14.000 no no nothing we can do so i don't even 01:02:12.240 --> 01:02:16.720 know what united airlines is recourse would be because i mean they're 01:02:15.280 --> 01:02:19.920 obviously they're united airlines so they're kind of a big deal so there 01:02:18.720 --> 01:02:24.319 might be something we can do about it but it's not in twitter's terms of service 01:02:22.559 --> 01:02:28.000 to deal with something like that so i think twitter needs to be aware of this 01:02:26.319 --> 01:02:32.400 i think companies need to be aware of this and almost need to keep an eye out 01:02:30.000 --> 01:02:36.640 proactively for companies that are impersonating them and i think customers 01:02:34.720 --> 01:02:40.960 need to be aware of this because just because you're tweeting someone who 01:02:39.040 --> 01:02:46.839 might look like they represent the company that mistreated you or 01:02:43.599 --> 01:02:48.960 didn't mistreat you or whatever 01:02:46.839 --> 01:02:53.760 happened that doesn't mean that that's what's going on nope 01:02:51.119 --> 01:02:57.680 and there's atlantis to it there's a outline this twit oh that doesn't even 01:02:55.280 --> 01:03:00.079 look new no i don't think it is actually outlandish so it's like korean or 01:02:59.040 --> 01:03:03.839 something awesome um but yeah like 01:03:02.400 --> 01:03:07.760 there's not a lot they can do and even okay if they get the account closed look 01:03:05.440 --> 01:03:10.640 how much damage has been done already and then there's probably going to be 01:03:09.280 --> 01:03:13.839 more i don't know were we actually online 01:03:12.480 --> 01:03:18.079 when we talked about the call of duty ghosts trailer i have no idea i don't 01:03:16.640 --> 01:03:22.079 know anymore either i think we were 01:03:20.559 --> 01:03:25.680 all right so i'm going to load up this other article here this is pretty crazy 01:03:24.240 --> 01:03:30.180 so this is like crazy as balls 01:03:27.760 --> 01:03:32.319 a high-end flip phone 01:03:32.319 --> 01:03:37.920 go ahead so this was posted by no treble on the forum the original sources end 01:03:36.559 --> 01:03:42.640 gadget uh let me find my notes here real quick 01:03:40.640 --> 01:03:47.839 so it features a micro sd slot two sim cards which is 01:03:45.440 --> 01:03:51.200 cool maybe it's going to be destined for china or maybe it'll be somewhere else 01:03:50.079 --> 01:03:57.039 entirely it's it's Android 4.1 01:03:53.760 --> 01:03:58.559 bound on a 1.2 gigahertz quad-core CPU 01:03:57.039 --> 01:04:03.119 and the outer screen has three touchscreen buttons on it it's it's a 01:04:00.480 --> 01:04:07.520 flip phone even the article that he links or his article i think actually 01:04:05.520 --> 01:04:13.760 not even the article that he likes yeah no his his post is asking is this 01:04:11.039 --> 01:04:18.160 regression or progression like are we going backwards are we going forwards 01:04:15.760 --> 01:04:20.799 like it's not very clear on this one all right 01:04:19.359 --> 01:04:26.079 okay so hold on so two three and a half 3.3 inch 320 by 01:04:24.079 --> 01:04:30.319 480 touch displays which is actually not a bad pixel density nope and there so 01:04:28.160 --> 01:04:33.760 there's one when it's closed which is kind of weird for a flip phone and then 01:04:32.079 --> 01:04:38.240 there's one when it's open so you have access to the full keyboard 01:04:36.160 --> 01:04:42.000 5 megapixel rear camera so it's not great but not terrible it's certainly 01:04:40.000 --> 01:04:45.760 not 14 megapixel okay so it's not a high end phone but it's certainly much higher 01:04:44.079 --> 01:04:51.119 end than other flip phones now i'm gonna be honest with you guys i can probably 01:04:48.000 --> 01:04:52.960 type as quickly on a number pad like a 01:04:51.119 --> 01:04:57.200 tactile number pad as i can on a touchscreen keyboard 01:04:55.760 --> 01:05:00.480 predictive text got a lot better after the initial sort 01:04:59.520 --> 01:05:04.559 of like okay well i press it three times for o 01:05:02.640 --> 01:05:06.960 and yeah two times for l yeah i can't remember what it's called but there's 01:05:05.680 --> 01:05:12.319 that one one predictive text algorithm that everyone started using right before 01:05:09.440 --> 01:05:19.359 smartphones came out q9 t9 yeah t9 pretty good it's pretty darn good like 01:05:14.720 --> 01:05:21.039 it's it's pretty fast yeah and um 01:05:19.359 --> 01:05:24.720 i mean there's something to be said for tactile buttons particularly old people 01:05:23.680 --> 01:05:29.200 my dad no interest in a smartphone no interest 01:05:27.839 --> 01:05:34.079 and when his phone dies he's gonna have to buy something so what does he buy 01:05:31.760 --> 01:05:39.839 so there you go the hennessy quad-core CPU you know wi-fi bluetooth 01:05:37.119 --> 01:05:44.240 gps all that stuff that you'd expect and uh this is my my most interesting 01:05:42.720 --> 01:05:49.760 question is the exact same question as the guy that posted on our forum is is 01:05:46.400 --> 01:05:53.039 this really going forwards 01:05:49.760 --> 01:05:54.720 like or did samsung just go 01:05:53.039 --> 01:05:59.599 you know what though uh when we were over in taiwan what did you notice 01:05:57.760 --> 01:06:02.720 everyone uses a flip everyone needs a flip on this very good point and maybe 01:06:00.960 --> 01:06:07.680 it's a cost thing maybe it's not i mean maybe the positioning here is premium 01:06:04.880 --> 01:06:11.440 flip is this baby's first smartphone so to speak right 01:06:09.440 --> 01:06:14.960 right that actually kind of makes it look as a transitional device this might 01:06:13.520 --> 01:06:18.960 be the smartest thing they've done this year because oh well um 01:06:17.440 --> 01:06:23.920 mozilla is trying to do kind of the same thing very cheap but smartphone 01:06:22.240 --> 01:06:26.799 and you know what maybe this is a response to that maybe 01:06:25.359 --> 01:06:30.640 this is just them observing the market themselves it's not a terrible idea it's 01:06:28.880 --> 01:06:36.160 just kind of weird it's very weird i like it i do too i've 01:06:34.000 --> 01:06:41.119 changed my mind since we started talking about this it's uh i still don't know if 01:06:40.000 --> 01:06:46.480 see a big part of the problem is that word north america yes i think it'll do 01:06:44.000 --> 01:06:50.319 a lot better kind of everywhere else yeah i mean 01:06:47.760 --> 01:06:54.319 here the expectation is for you know a couple hundred bucks 01:06:51.920 --> 01:06:58.400 so i can save up you know my month of you know spared money this month and i 01:06:56.240 --> 01:07:01.760 can get a phone on contract that's top of the freaking line not even sometimes 01:07:00.319 --> 01:07:06.240 sometimes you get top line phones for zero dollars like whereas you look at 01:07:03.839 --> 01:07:10.319 other markets like uh south america is a great example where they'll look at 01:07:08.079 --> 01:07:13.680 something like you know an iphone 5 and just be like oh my gosh do you have any 01:07:12.400 --> 01:07:19.280 idea how much that but not only do they make less money but because of the import taxes and all 01:07:17.200 --> 01:07:23.760 of the tariffs that exist down there you're paying well over a thousand 01:07:21.280 --> 01:07:26.480 dollars up front there's a contract and then there's blah 01:07:25.359 --> 01:07:32.799 blah blah blah and you have to pay so much more because you're paying for the extra features so the used phone market 01:07:30.000 --> 01:07:36.640 there is huge yeah um and then something like this could be uh could be 01:07:34.319 --> 01:07:39.839 potentially a big deal there yeah it's interesting 01:07:37.920 --> 01:07:44.079 um something to jump into which isn't necessarily directly related at all but 01:07:42.400 --> 01:07:48.480 i did want to talk about is gee squad stealing naked photos again and leaking 01:07:46.480 --> 01:07:51.440 them online again all right did we get to see the naked 01:07:50.160 --> 01:07:56.480 photos here i kind of hope not yeah me too 01:07:54.400 --> 01:08:01.280 are they of geek squad technicians no because then i 01:07:57.760 --> 01:08:03.119 geek squad should do a calendar a sexy 01:08:01.280 --> 01:08:07.599 calendar that would actually probably do pretty well that would be a great pr 01:08:04.480 --> 01:08:09.760 stunt that's really not a bad idea 01:08:07.599 --> 01:08:14.000 lioness media group should do a sexy challenge 01:08:10.960 --> 01:08:14.000 it would just be all you 01:08:15.359 --> 01:08:23.080 just a motherboard yeah 01:08:18.480 --> 01:08:23.080 wearing nothing but an oculus rift 01:08:25.679 --> 01:08:31.040 oh no oh of all the terrible things that i could 01:08:29.199 --> 01:08:33.279 have come up with right now so let's go uh let's go back to that actually okay 01:08:32.560 --> 01:08:37.359 so they they allegedly let's just throw 01:08:35.920 --> 01:08:42.000 that out there allegedly although they have been hit with this before yeah allegedly 01:08:40.400 --> 01:08:47.279 we're not we're not saying anything is for sure yeah so 01:08:44.560 --> 01:08:50.159 this lady had her nude photos posted online 01:08:48.480 --> 01:08:54.640 and she had never posted them online okay so she 01:08:51.920 --> 01:08:59.040 says these photos were art not selfies she snapped to send to a lover she never 01:08:56.560 --> 01:09:03.440 posted them on any social media explained her attorney claiming that his 01:09:01.279 --> 01:09:08.799 client kept them only for reference or professional use for art 01:09:07.600 --> 01:09:14.159 hmm the art thing is kind of weird i don't really care about that at all you stole 01:09:11.359 --> 01:09:18.319 someone's digital properly which was not good well that's just what they're 01:09:15.839 --> 01:09:21.440 saying is the evidence that it was in fact a best buy employee 01:09:20.400 --> 01:09:26.080 that took the photos as opposed to her just 01:09:24.159 --> 01:09:30.560 you know leaking them on right 01:09:27.199 --> 01:09:32.480 okay 4chan is because it's art yes 01:09:30.560 --> 01:09:35.839 because it was art which is exactly why she kept them for herself and never 01:09:33.920 --> 01:09:39.600 actually posted them anywhere because one of the obvious sort of rebuttals 01:09:37.920 --> 01:09:42.880 might be well if you had all these naked pictures of yourself on your computer 01:09:40.960 --> 01:09:46.239 how can we prove how can you prove that you never sent them to anyone right so 01:09:44.640 --> 01:09:50.239 that's the argument here so it may or may not be true but 01:09:48.960 --> 01:09:54.560 um they they have had to settle these in 01:09:52.640 --> 01:09:57.199 the past so 01:09:55.840 --> 01:10:02.159 yeah i wanted to segue from this into funny 01:09:59.920 --> 01:10:05.679 stories from back when i was in grade 10 and worked at key squad okay let's hear 01:10:04.480 --> 01:10:10.560 it hit us with it though the worst of which 01:10:08.080 --> 01:10:14.480 was okay i've got two really funny ones actually one lady had us repair her 01:10:12.080 --> 01:10:19.120 laptop and then when she came to pick it up she came with this super jacked dude 01:10:17.360 --> 01:10:21.840 and the dude was way more interested i haven't told you either of these stories 01:10:20.400 --> 01:10:25.040 the dude was way more interested in whether or not the laptop's webcam was 01:10:23.520 --> 01:10:29.440 working and mike was working than anything else and we were like 01:10:27.600 --> 01:10:32.960 okay i guess we can try it like it was 01:10:30.960 --> 01:10:38.640 riddled with viruses that's what i fixed i wasn't trying out their webcam so 01:10:36.320 --> 01:10:42.400 so at the desk i'm like here try it so he loads up some weird looking 01:10:40.560 --> 01:10:45.760 program and there's like a chat box on the side and i'm not really paying 01:10:43.840 --> 01:10:48.480 attention and then me and my buddy are standing there with him and he's 01:10:47.120 --> 01:10:51.840 slightly off to the side and we're standing in front of the laptop trying 01:10:50.239 --> 01:10:56.000 to check if it works and then all of a sudden in the chat box i see oh my god 01:10:54.159 --> 01:10:58.719 you work at best buy oh what is this what is this what is 01:10:57.199 --> 01:11:03.239 this and then i read the chat box and it's like slursler slayerslayer.com 01:11:04.080 --> 01:11:10.960 so we were on a like cam website me and 01:11:07.840 --> 01:11:13.520 my buddy nice when i was in grade 10-ish 01:11:10.960 --> 01:11:17.120 did you get paid another bad one was you were underage so 01:11:15.760 --> 01:11:21.520 they guess oh i didn't even think about that 01:11:19.760 --> 01:11:26.320 in trouble um i was fully wearing clothes but i don't know uh we had 01:11:23.760 --> 01:11:29.520 converted from being in like a back hall to having a more open office style where 01:11:28.239 --> 01:11:33.199 people could see through the window into all the computers right and so you plug 01:11:31.520 --> 01:11:37.120 in computers and you work on them for a bit and then you have to go help people at the desk so people can see through 01:11:35.840 --> 01:11:41.679 the window thing right 01:11:38.840 --> 01:11:46.159 and people have a tendency to set their screen savers to their my pictures 01:11:43.760 --> 01:11:46.159 folder 01:11:47.679 --> 01:11:53.360 so so many times there would just be porn streaming in the background 01:11:52.159 --> 01:11:58.159 and we wouldn't figure it out because there's often just one or two of us working we'd often just both be at the 01:11:56.239 --> 01:12:03.520 desk oh sure maybe shaw's calling okay so i 01:12:01.360 --> 01:12:10.400 think the the conclusion that we can draw here is that as much as um 01:12:08.239 --> 01:12:12.880 best buy can have whatever policies they have in place 01:12:11.600 --> 01:12:17.600 there's not really a whole lot they can do about deviant employees so 01:12:15.679 --> 01:12:22.000 you know when people have unfettered access to other people's computers if 01:12:19.840 --> 01:12:25.040 they're bad people they might snoop around on the hard drive and the other 01:12:23.760 --> 01:12:30.320 thing that there's nothing that they can do about is sheer customer stupidity 01:12:28.480 --> 01:12:35.280 and let's face it if you're bringing your computer to best buy to be fixed 01:12:32.719 --> 01:12:39.600 you might not necessarily be the most technically apt kind of person in fact 01:12:37.760 --> 01:12:43.520 the article that we link to in the live stream doc which will be available under 01:12:41.679 --> 01:12:47.280 the video description pointed out 01:12:45.040 --> 01:12:51.199 that um you know well they should have had these pictures in an encrypted 01:12:49.280 --> 01:12:54.480 folder preferably on another drive a blah blah blah et cetera et cetera et 01:12:52.640 --> 01:12:58.880 cetera but you know 01:12:56.640 --> 01:13:02.719 even not you don't necessarily have to be a complete [ __ ] when it comes to 01:13:00.960 --> 01:13:08.080 computers to not know how to do that stuff so there's there's a whole bunch 01:13:05.760 --> 01:13:12.800 of factors that are going on here and i think it's a little bit more complicated 01:13:10.239 --> 01:13:17.760 necessarily than you know one individual's lawsuit might 01:13:14.560 --> 01:13:19.360 be so allegedly sort of accused blah 01:13:17.760 --> 01:13:23.280 blah blah all of that stuff we don't know what happened here but there's 01:13:21.280 --> 01:13:28.239 certainly potential for things to happen as slick was saying that are not 01:13:25.040 --> 01:13:31.199 necessarily the fault of the employees 01:13:28.239 --> 01:13:36.000 so just kind of throwing that out there so i would like to take this opportunity 01:13:33.120 --> 01:13:40.080 to talk a little bit about our new sponsor for the WAN Show so i'm gonna go 01:13:38.000 --> 01:13:44.840 ahead and fire this up so speaking of people who aren't necessarily the most 01:13:41.920 --> 01:13:49.120 technically inclined in the world squarespace.com they are 01:13:47.760 --> 01:13:53.600 officially powering the WAN Show as of supposed to 01:13:51.840 --> 01:13:57.760 be last week but we had some stream issues and we ended up sort of not being 01:13:55.920 --> 01:14:01.840 able to do our mid-roll integration for them so we saved it until this week but 01:13:59.840 --> 01:14:05.760 what squarespace.com allows you to do if you're not familiar with it already is 01:14:03.520 --> 01:14:10.560 to create a website to display your web store photography portfolio although if 01:14:08.560 --> 01:14:15.280 you want to go ahead and accuse best buy of you know letting 01:14:12.840 --> 01:14:18.480 your portfolio uh letting other customers have access 01:14:17.199 --> 01:14:24.159 to your portfolio or whatever the case may be then i wouldn't recommend putting it on squarespace because the idea is 01:14:21.840 --> 01:14:28.480 that it would be publicly visible or to you can create a personal blog so 01:14:26.080 --> 01:14:35.600 basically it's kind of like geocities but updated for 2013. so the designs are 01:14:32.239 --> 01:14:37.199 not ugly uh the designs have evolved in 01:14:35.600 --> 01:14:42.000 general on the web quite a bit since then but squarespace has over 20 01:14:39.679 --> 01:14:45.360 customizable profiles and templates that you can go ahead and tinker around with 01:14:43.600 --> 01:14:49.440 to your heart's content so you sign up for a free trial which doesn't 01:14:47.360 --> 01:14:52.480 require a credit card whatsoever and it actually gives you some suggestions 01:14:50.960 --> 01:14:56.159 depending what you want to do so if you want to create an online store it'll say 01:14:54.560 --> 01:14:59.199 okay well these ones are pretty optimal for that or if you wanted to create a 01:14:57.840 --> 01:15:03.120 blog it'll say these ones are pretty optimal for that and there's a ton of 01:15:01.040 --> 01:15:06.159 customization that you can do so you can change fonts you can change locations 01:15:04.640 --> 01:15:11.679 you can add a bunch of navigation at the top they've got 24 7 tech supports and 01:15:09.440 --> 01:15:15.760 our audience will probably also like that in addition to the drag and drop 01:15:13.440 --> 01:15:18.800 interface that allows you to kind of go oh well okay i'm going to merchandise an 01:15:17.440 --> 01:15:23.520 item just kind of drag and drop a picture in there at a price at a on sale 01:15:22.000 --> 01:15:28.239 price and then it's pretty much ready to go you can actually use the advanced tab 01:15:26.080 --> 01:15:33.040 or the developer mode tab to dink around with the css and html so it's not just 01:15:31.520 --> 01:15:37.520 for non-techies it starts at eight dollars a month and includes scalable 01:15:35.360 --> 01:15:42.080 hosting if traffic turns out to be much better than you expected and if you use 01:15:39.280 --> 01:15:45.440 offer code Linus 8 you can save 10 on your first purchase with a new account 01:15:43.760 --> 01:15:49.679 so thanks squarespace for your support of the WAN Show and we're really excited 01:15:47.760 --> 01:15:54.719 to keep working with you guys because so far my mom's actually been trying to get 01:15:52.080 --> 01:15:58.960 a website going on it and they've been pretty easy to use she's actually at the 01:15:57.120 --> 01:16:05.120 cabin right now so she hasn't worked on it in the last uh i think five days but 01:16:02.080 --> 01:16:06.640 i am outright refusing to help her and 01:16:05.120 --> 01:16:10.640 i'm telling her that i want her to go through squarespace's tech support 01:16:08.640 --> 01:16:16.159 because to me that is the ultimate acid test if they can handle her they can 01:16:13.679 --> 01:16:20.400 handle pretty much anything because her question was because when you buy a year 01:16:18.560 --> 01:16:24.080 they throw in a domain for free so her question was what is a domain so 01:16:22.800 --> 01:16:29.040 that should give you some idea of my mom's sort of technical level when it 01:16:26.080 --> 01:16:35.760 comes to the interwebs and all of those related things so speaking of the 01:16:31.600 --> 01:16:38.560 interwebs hmm cisco the company that 01:16:35.760 --> 01:16:44.480 powers a whole lot of the interwebs slashed 4 000 staff 01:16:41.679 --> 01:16:48.320 in spite of turning oh boy 01:16:45.840 --> 01:16:53.120 in spite of recording record results for the quarter so it really sort of raises 01:16:51.040 --> 01:16:57.440 the question what is going on over there so they recently shed linksys for not 01:16:55.600 --> 01:16:59.920 being being profitable enough not contributing enough to their bottom line 01:16:59.199 --> 01:17:04.719 or um basically looking bad on their balance 01:17:03.120 --> 01:17:10.480 sheet they have wow they slashed 4 000 jobs i mean 01:17:07.760 --> 01:17:14.719 think about that you went to high school with probably anywhere from a couple 01:17:12.800 --> 01:17:19.280 hundred to 500 people depending on the size of your high school so that's about 01:17:16.719 --> 01:17:24.000 like them slashing the your entire graduating class times 01:17:22.239 --> 01:17:27.760 probably anywhere from about eight to twenty 01:17:25.360 --> 01:17:31.360 unbelievable so what do they have to say about this 01:17:29.679 --> 01:17:35.440 in the past two years we have managed the business with discipline and focus 01:17:33.360 --> 01:17:39.760 to execute on the portfolio investments and operational efficiency opportunities 01:17:37.440 --> 01:17:43.679 that we see in fiscal year 2014 we are rebalancing our resources with a 01:17:41.760 --> 01:17:47.440 workforce reduction which will impact five percent 01:17:45.120 --> 01:17:52.320 of our global workforce now as someone who runs their own business these days i 01:17:49.520 --> 01:17:56.960 can definitely sympathize with the seemingly uncontrollable cost that is 01:17:54.719 --> 01:18:01.840 human resources something that a lot of people don't know is that 01:17:59.440 --> 01:18:06.560 the amount that you get on your paycheck in your bank account so yes uncle sam or 01:18:05.440 --> 01:18:11.679 you know mr harper or whoever it is that 01:18:09.280 --> 01:18:16.080 represents your tax man in your country is definitely taking a cut but there's 01:18:14.400 --> 01:18:20.400 also a lot of stuff that goes on behind the scenes so let's say theoretically i 01:18:18.560 --> 01:18:24.960 had an employee at Linus media group that cost that's that's wage was ten 01:18:22.719 --> 01:18:29.600 dollars an hour i'm paying anywhere from around 12 and a half to 13 and a half 01:18:27.199 --> 01:18:33.280 dollars an hour and we don't even have medical plan yet remember this is canada 01:18:31.920 --> 01:18:39.600 so when we don't have a medical plan that doesn't mean you're completely boned it just means that you don't have 01:18:37.280 --> 01:18:44.320 extended medical like dental for example it's something we're working on but the 01:18:42.000 --> 01:18:49.520 actual cost is is this double digit percentages higher 01:18:46.800 --> 01:18:53.440 than the employee even knows about so i can definitely relate to that but on the 01:18:51.600 --> 01:18:57.040 other hand i take a bit of a different philosophy i think and hopefully slick 01:18:55.199 --> 01:19:01.600 can back me up on this where i feel like if Linus media group 01:18:58.960 --> 01:19:05.840 is doing well and we're making money the people that got us there should be 01:19:03.600 --> 01:19:08.960 getting a reward as opposed to getting their jobs cut or getting their salaries 01:19:07.840 --> 01:19:13.360 cut i'm assuming you're talking about cisco yeah i'm talking about the cisco 01:19:11.120 --> 01:19:17.040 thing i mean i'm going to be perfectly blunt with the viewers right now i 01:19:14.960 --> 01:19:21.199 haven't given myself a raise since we started Linus media group however i have 01:19:20.320 --> 01:19:27.040 done some raises and some bonuses 01:19:23.600 --> 01:19:29.280 so there you go i mean that's not to say 01:19:27.040 --> 01:19:32.960 that you know i'm gonna pay everyone you know 250 000 a year just for showing up 01:19:32.000 --> 01:19:37.360 to work they're going to have to make sure that the stream is ready to go on time when i 01:19:35.760 --> 01:19:41.199 come back from ncix if they want something like that to happen 01:19:39.440 --> 01:19:45.600 i don't take full responsibility for that um 01:19:43.040 --> 01:19:50.560 and definitely our isp issues today haven't helped but anyway the point is i 01:19:48.880 --> 01:19:53.600 really don't like this at all 01:19:52.000 --> 01:19:57.600 and maybe it's a good thing that belkin owns linksys now because i've got some 01:19:55.520 --> 01:20:00.480 pretty good bros over at linksys that i don't want to lose their jobs so it's 01:19:59.120 --> 01:20:04.320 like five percent of the company got dropped or something i don't know how much you've talked about it and with 01:20:02.640 --> 01:20:07.760 that said if you've worked at a bigger company you probably know that one out 01:20:06.000 --> 01:20:11.760 of every 20 people there at least is a complete idiot 01:20:09.199 --> 01:20:15.440 so maybe that was the kind of layoffs maybe but but if you've worked at a big 01:20:13.840 --> 01:20:19.440 company that's gone through layoffs you probably know that it's not always that 01:20:17.440 --> 01:20:23.679 way that way and a lot of times it becomes friendships instead of actual 01:20:21.199 --> 01:20:27.199 productivity friendships and seniority and 01:20:24.800 --> 01:20:31.199 just goofy stuff that's not actually to do with competence i know really good 01:20:29.199 --> 01:20:34.800 people who have gotten laid off when i had no complete morons at the same 01:20:33.280 --> 01:20:37.840 company that for whatever reason still have their jobs 01:20:36.320 --> 01:20:42.480 so um so we're not getting any help from 01:20:39.600 --> 01:20:45.840 them right now oh after the stream oh 01:20:45.440 --> 01:20:51.679 refuse okay do anything until i reset my modem okay yeah i guess that makes sense okay well 01:20:50.000 --> 01:20:55.280 we don't have really have too much left anyway uh lots of rumors about the 01:20:54.000 --> 01:21:02.080 upcoming whatever it is they're gonna call it let's just call it uh volcanic islands 01:21:00.000 --> 01:21:07.040 so AMD's new graphics cards potentially that maybe 01:21:04.880 --> 01:21:09.840 are coming and i can't find any link in the dock for it 01:21:10.400 --> 01:21:16.239 up a little bit way down a little tiny bit there it is all right it's one of 01:21:14.719 --> 01:21:19.600 those stupid ones where the header is on a different line than the uh 01:21:18.880 --> 01:21:24.080 so potential pricing has potentially been 01:21:22.000 --> 01:21:29.120 revealed so according to fudzilla this was posted by emma long on the Linus 01:21:26.000 --> 01:21:32.000 tech tips forum the hd 9970 will cost 01:21:29.120 --> 01:21:36.320 less than 600 they speculate that it will cost between 01:21:33.600 --> 01:21:40.640 549 and 5.99 that's really really aggressive that 01:21:38.719 --> 01:21:43.920 sounds about right for a high-end GPU launch yeah but it's aggressive compared 01:21:42.320 --> 01:21:47.679 to what is on the other team compared to what's available now because NVIDIA just 01:21:46.480 --> 01:21:52.239 refreshed they're not going to be launching maxwell 01:21:50.159 --> 01:21:55.520 like tomorrow yeah so they're not necessarily going to have a response AMD 01:21:54.159 --> 01:22:00.159 could have done what NVIDIA did because the rumored 01:21:57.760 --> 01:22:05.600 performance of the potentially alleged 9970 is rumored to be around five 01:22:03.600 --> 01:22:09.679 percent better than a titan so they could have come in at a thousand 01:22:07.040 --> 01:22:13.840 dollars or even 899.99 and undercut titan but it looks like 01:22:11.679 --> 01:22:18.800 what AMD wants to do is put pressure on NVIDIA to drop the price of titan 01:22:16.639 --> 01:22:22.880 which is cool which is great i'd like a cheap titan because we're gonna see 01:22:20.400 --> 01:22:26.800 never settle forever is now running so you have your choice of i think it's 01:22:24.400 --> 01:22:31.520 eight games right now and they're pretty pretty high end titles if you buy a top 01:22:28.880 --> 01:22:37.040 tier card you get three games if you buy a 7 800 series right now you get two 01:22:33.760 --> 01:22:38.560 games and if you buy a 7770 or 7790 you 01:22:37.040 --> 01:22:42.480 get one game and you get to pick whatever you want and get this i didn't 01:22:40.560 --> 01:22:45.600 even know about this till today but if you don't like any of the games on never 01:22:44.000 --> 01:22:50.960 settle forever right now or you already have them you can hold on to your ticket 01:22:48.480 --> 01:22:55.199 until december 31st at least and hold out for 01:22:52.400 --> 01:23:00.639 upcoming games for possible other games wow that's cool yeah so beast they are 01:22:58.719 --> 01:23:04.719 really really putting the pressure on with the new drivers upcoming 01:23:02.159 --> 01:23:10.560 potentially alleged gpus and upcoming potentially alleged game titles yeah 01:23:07.120 --> 01:23:12.239 because uh yeah i mean i've seen i can't 01:23:10.560 --> 01:23:16.719 comment on the upcoming game titles unfortunately because i have seen a deck 01:23:14.880 --> 01:23:22.000 and i do know what it is hold on to your pants guys 01:23:19.440 --> 01:23:26.159 hold on to yours i haven't seen this i'm excited so yeah that's uh that's 01:23:24.239 --> 01:23:33.199 incredibly exciting have you talked about baby monitors no 01:23:29.120 --> 01:23:34.960 wow guys secure your freaking wi-fi 01:23:33.199 --> 01:23:40.760 do it now this was posted by uh ion basa on the 01:23:38.960 --> 01:23:47.199 forum and this was an article from cnet.com and there's more on abc go 01:23:43.760 --> 01:23:49.120 slick so some guy hacked into some other 01:23:47.199 --> 01:23:53.760 guy's router accessed their network-enabled baby monitor and started 01:23:51.920 --> 01:23:59.520 shouting through it they heard a voice calling his daughter an effing [ __ ] and 01:23:56.880 --> 01:24:03.199 telling her to wake up you little thing 01:24:00.960 --> 01:24:06.400 the hacker began shouting at his at her parents once they came into the room to 01:24:04.480 --> 01:24:10.800 try and figure out what was going on uh called them called the man a stupid 01:24:07.920 --> 01:24:13.840 [ __ ] and his wife a b word and in front of their two-year-old 01:24:12.080 --> 01:24:18.080 daughter and they're not even sure this hadn't happened already at least once 01:24:16.480 --> 01:24:22.400 so oh man like 01:24:21.199 --> 01:24:26.639 if you know anyone that uses network-enabled baby monitors you're a 01:24:24.320 --> 01:24:32.159 tech guy make sure that router's secure yeah we're we're charging you to be 01:24:29.679 --> 01:24:36.000 personally responsible for protecting your friends and family and making sure 01:24:34.000 --> 01:24:40.480 that this kind of because that is such a huge invasion of privacy it's ridiculous 01:24:38.239 --> 01:24:45.120 that's that's just not only does he has access to the video but he's able to 01:24:42.719 --> 01:24:48.880 talk to them like that's yeah that's not cool go secure 01:24:47.040 --> 01:24:55.040 your wi-fi right now if you haven't done it moving into our next topic xbox one 01:24:51.760 --> 01:24:58.000 claims it can do 4k gaming so this was 01:24:55.040 --> 01:25:02.719 posted on the forum by the bloody toxic here we go 01:25:00.239 --> 01:25:07.600 i i just i wonder like uh the amount of hardware it takes to 01:25:04.639 --> 01:25:11.840 run 4k well on a computer like okay what frame rates is this running at 01:25:09.520 --> 01:25:16.800 here's the quote there's no hardware restriction there at all so in theory 01:25:14.080 --> 01:25:21.600 the xbox one could support 2k or perhaps even 4k gaming if there's content for it 01:25:19.360 --> 01:25:27.280 at those resolutions the source is forbes and i think the uh the original 01:25:24.880 --> 01:25:30.800 poster of this of this uh link on our forum has some pretty good points here 01:25:31.600 --> 01:25:38.960 i have two main reasons why this is just stupid and why it's basically just a lie 01:25:37.120 --> 01:25:43.040 this is uh quoting quoting the bloody toxic one 01:25:40.480 --> 01:25:47.280 two dual titans in 4k barely are able to throw 60 FPS at a screen with medium 01:25:45.360 --> 01:25:53.760 settings on modern games we're not even talking next gen games number two the 01:25:49.360 --> 01:25:57.040 xbox one has one 1.4 HDMI output which 01:25:53.760 --> 01:25:59.199 means 4k is going to be at 30 hertz 01:25:57.040 --> 01:26:02.000 however i think the first one is probably the most valid because there 01:26:00.639 --> 01:26:06.800 was no way you were going to be pushing more than 30 FPS 01:26:04.080 --> 01:26:11.600 anyway no so yeah why i mean 01:26:09.440 --> 01:26:14.480 they've had a pretty good run of good press going lately and the connect thing 01:26:13.600 --> 01:26:21.600 i don't know we haven't talked about that yet so connect is no longer required to run 01:26:19.360 --> 01:26:25.280 which is really good like good job and then you do this like what are you 01:26:23.040 --> 01:26:31.199 saying you're just confusing people it's not true you're just confusing people 01:26:27.280 --> 01:26:34.880 xbox one is not suitable for 4k gaming 01:26:31.199 --> 01:26:37.679 mark my words 4k gaming is coming to pc 01:26:34.880 --> 01:26:41.920 now 4k gaming is not coming to console for a very very long time well at least 01:26:40.239 --> 01:26:45.120 10 years unless they have some crazy add-on pack or something 01:26:43.920 --> 01:26:49.600 unless they have something well hold on a second because it wouldn't be the first time 01:26:47.679 --> 01:26:53.679 that ever happened i know yeah sega genesis yep so it could happen but it's 01:26:52.320 --> 01:26:58.480 going to have to be something that you slap on the console or it's going to be a revision 2 of the console or something 01:26:56.800 --> 01:27:01.520 like that it's i mean how much do you miss cartridges 01:27:00.320 --> 01:27:05.440 at this point star fox oh it's like a completely 01:27:03.679 --> 01:27:11.120 different thing let's just put more supplemental hardware on the game 01:27:08.800 --> 01:27:15.520 these are awesome i hate discs i never liked this floppies were cool 01:27:13.199 --> 01:27:18.639 cartridges were cool discs suck this one's always 01:27:16.880 --> 01:27:24.320 but you're too young to ever have actually had a situation where you had a report 01:27:22.239 --> 01:27:27.440 that you had to print out at school only to discover that your floppy disk broke 01:27:26.560 --> 01:27:31.440 or just was i actually did have to do that 01:27:29.679 --> 01:27:34.400 but it was such a low grade that i don't think it mattered they were so 01:27:32.719 --> 01:27:38.800 unreliable they were terrible but they were cool the first time i got a usb 01:27:36.400 --> 01:27:42.080 thumb drive it was an eight meg drive and it was the best thing that ever 01:27:40.159 --> 01:27:45.520 happened yeah that was one of my favorite technology 01:27:43.920 --> 01:27:49.920 things that i ever owned i'm not saying they were good i'm saying they were cool 01:27:47.360 --> 01:27:55.040 i liked the idea of floppy i don't know it's ah 01:27:51.440 --> 01:27:58.320 speaking of discs um where's my topic 01:27:55.040 --> 01:27:58.320 for this i don't remember where it is 01:27:59.199 --> 01:28:06.239 some game that i wanted to buy payday 2. payday 2 does not have a physical copy 01:28:04.719 --> 01:28:09.120 i think there might be like a physical crazy collector's edition or something 01:28:07.760 --> 01:28:13.840 that's insanely expensive you know what who cares move on no 01:28:11.840 --> 01:28:17.360 i disagree with you i think physical copies are the stupidest thing ever 01:28:15.280 --> 01:28:21.600 they're dead oh but then you run into things like 01:28:19.280 --> 01:28:25.920 what if steam drops support what if something drops support like old 01:28:23.280 --> 01:28:30.960 school games i can still play red alert okay if red alert was a game running on 01:28:29.120 --> 01:28:34.800 a service back then that wouldn't exist anymore okay back up your steam files 01:28:33.120 --> 01:28:38.239 because valve's set out right that they'll find a way for 01:28:36.560 --> 01:28:41.040 titles purchased through steam to be still playable if they ever go 01:28:39.760 --> 01:28:46.560 completely insolvent or shut down the service back up all your steam files how many 01:28:44.320 --> 01:28:50.320 can you actually ask that of everyone i don't think it's that unreasonable if 01:28:48.639 --> 01:28:56.560 you can ask someone to buy a physical copy of a disk which is like 01:28:52.880 --> 01:28:59.199 worth what 20 cents who cares then is it 01:28:56.560 --> 01:29:04.960 that unreasonable to say okay okay okay here is it more work to burn a disk than 01:29:02.560 --> 01:29:07.760 it is to go to a freaking store to buy a game but do you have right to burn that 01:29:06.639 --> 01:29:12.560 disk to copy steam files to a disk do you 01:29:10.320 --> 01:29:15.760 yeah sure you can backup steam files all day long they even have a built-in 01:29:13.840 --> 01:29:20.080 backup feature yeah if you can back it up to a folder you can back it up to it 01:29:17.520 --> 01:29:22.960 i still personally like physical having something physical and i still wish it 01:29:21.600 --> 01:29:27.440 was a cartridge for console games i think that we should 01:29:25.920 --> 01:29:33.920 probably all be able to agree that when it comes to movies video games and women 01:29:30.159 --> 01:29:33.920 digital is just as good as physical 01:29:35.280 --> 01:29:41.040 of course you had to drop that i don't think so i still disagree i still like 01:29:39.120 --> 01:29:42.860 having something physical okay i'll give you movies 01:29:42.320 --> 01:29:45.360 not women 01:29:45.360 --> 01:29:50.639 dude if i could give you women that would be 01:29:48.400 --> 01:29:54.480 a whole other business media group is running 01:29:52.560 --> 01:29:57.600 we have to put the significant others thing on there it might not necessarily 01:29:56.000 --> 01:30:04.239 apply to everyone um animated pngs ah yes animated pngs so 01:30:02.320 --> 01:30:07.840 the gif or it's pronounced jeff 01:30:10.560 --> 01:30:15.840 the days may be numbered for that guy right there here it is there's a 01:30:14.239 --> 01:30:21.360 kickstarter let us animate png so this was posted by 01:30:18.880 --> 01:30:24.719 ghost on the forum ghost you're awesome by the way you were kind of annoying in 01:30:23.120 --> 01:30:27.920 the early days of the forum but we both really like you now 01:30:26.320 --> 01:30:33.360 you're awesome dude kind of annoying because he told every told us everything 01:30:29.600 --> 01:30:35.199 was broken well yeah when it was right 01:30:33.360 --> 01:30:38.960 i think he even stopped coming to the forum at some point he came back when we 01:30:36.880 --> 01:30:43.920 fixed it i'm glad he came back because i like him um anyways so you can view a 01:30:41.600 --> 01:30:48.639 demo of the difference between a gif why don't we play it you have to 01:30:45.679 --> 01:30:52.000 have firefox oh that video sure yeah let's play video everything welcome to 01:30:49.920 --> 01:30:56.159 the apingasm animated png tools and standardization project that sounds like 01:30:54.000 --> 01:30:59.920 a total neckbeard is the animated png assembler and it is currently the only 01:30:57.760 --> 01:31:04.719 tool that fully supports creating animated pngs apngs like anime goals 01:31:02.719 --> 01:31:08.719 will have a java native version and a coffeescript and javascript native 01:31:06.960 --> 01:31:13.199 version so it can be used in different places further goals include svg and smile 01:31:12.159 --> 01:31:18.400 conversion and a full animation editor for svg and 01:31:16.159 --> 01:31:21.280 smile for more information please see the project description 01:31:21.440 --> 01:31:26.000 so that's pretty cool hey stop i'm sorry 01:31:24.480 --> 01:31:30.719 i'm trying i'm trying to stop the thing i'm not having success here 01:31:28.800 --> 01:31:33.679 i think that's awesome it is awesome i like everything about it i'm surprised 01:31:32.239 --> 01:31:38.320 it got funded i and it got funded fast yeah so they 01:31:36.480 --> 01:31:42.560 have beat their five thousand dollar goal in only eight days 01:31:40.400 --> 01:31:47.280 which is outstanding that's awesome um in fact quite a few backers one backer 01:31:45.120 --> 01:31:53.120 pledged 2 500 so there was a single backer that's like yup here we go so 01:31:50.159 --> 01:31:56.320 what does he get ports of our base ap g libraries and tools for the language 01:31:54.639 --> 01:32:01.600 platform of your choice you and your company will be fully accredited 01:31:59.360 --> 01:32:06.080 cool so um 01:32:03.360 --> 01:32:13.080 it it's better yeah it's time in like every way i'm stoked that's cool so 01:32:08.800 --> 01:32:13.080 4chan can be in hd now 01:32:17.679 --> 01:32:22.960 no just everything half the things that are posted on there are animated gifs as 01:32:20.960 --> 01:32:27.920 far as i can tell so so now it can like look better 01:32:24.960 --> 01:32:35.040 or we can even we can have even higher resolution disgusting animated stuff on 01:32:31.199 --> 01:32:35.040 like the armpit of the internet 01:32:35.280 --> 01:32:40.880 i just it looks a lot better it takes less data and like the most ridiculous 01:32:39.520 --> 01:32:45.920 thing with gifs is how long they take to load 01:32:43.360 --> 01:32:48.480 right now to say gif um because they just take forever to load 01:32:47.040 --> 01:32:53.360 so i don't know everything is better about this my favorite thing is that it just takes less i'm excited about 01:32:51.440 --> 01:32:56.239 transparency support that's cool that's really cool that's definitely cool i 01:32:54.719 --> 01:33:00.639 mean that's something that would be uh that would be great for even things like 01:32:58.000 --> 01:33:03.840 wancho if we could have like an animated thing that supports alpha channels 01:33:02.400 --> 01:33:08.639 that's transparent so we could have like moving junk um i mean we're gonna go 01:33:06.400 --> 01:33:11.440 back to like xsplit's gonna have to you know 01:33:09.840 --> 01:33:16.239 step things up a little bit too but we're gonna have to go back to like 90s 01:33:13.040 --> 01:33:16.239 level internet web pages 01:33:16.560 --> 01:33:24.159 2002 a little bit past 90s speaking of going back in time check 01:33:21.679 --> 01:33:30.199 this out so the upcoming oh oh wow the page has been pulled down okay well at 01:33:26.159 --> 01:33:31.840 any rate um the upcoming ivy bridge e 01:33:30.199 --> 01:33:37.440 4670k has been delidded by one of the 01:33:34.080 --> 01:33:38.639 overclockers over on coolaller.com and 01:33:37.440 --> 01:33:43.760 basically they've discovered that the ihs is 01:33:41.440 --> 01:33:48.480 soldered down to the CPU core this does a couple of things number one is it 01:33:45.760 --> 01:33:53.120 makes it um harder to remove yeah he destroyed his chip doing that yep number 01:33:50.480 --> 01:33:57.760 two is it de-incentivizes people to remove the bloody thing because you're 01:33:55.199 --> 01:34:02.080 going to get better thermal performance by having the dye soldered to the top of 01:34:00.239 --> 01:34:06.719 the integrated heat spreader versus having a thermal compound in there 01:34:04.960 --> 01:34:11.520 it also means that there won't be as much inconsistency because having a 01:34:09.120 --> 01:34:16.400 solid metal layer means no air pockets can get stuck and the ihs won't be as 01:34:15.120 --> 01:34:21.360 prone to being sort of not not attached in one 01:34:18.880 --> 01:34:25.520 spot or whatever else the case may be so that's great 01:34:22.880 --> 01:34:31.440 i guess what Intel's saying is when it comes to our server grade products we do 01:34:28.000 --> 01:34:33.440 actually know that solder is better 01:34:31.440 --> 01:34:37.440 okay so they do know deep down they do know i'm happy to see this kind of sad 01:34:35.520 --> 01:34:40.560 for the dude that lost his chip right away yeah he probably has a half a dozen 01:34:39.120 --> 01:34:44.880 of them like those those extreme overclocker guys they get like a tray of 01:34:42.560 --> 01:34:47.920 cpus pre-launch and do a bunch of benching and all that kind of stuff 01:34:46.560 --> 01:34:52.000 yeah yeah i'm not too worried about him yeah that's awesome stoked to see that 01:34:51.040 --> 01:34:57.520 all right well bitfenix prodigy yeah yeah this is 01:34:54.719 --> 01:35:02.880 exciting so one of the things that was noticed by the reviewers and enthusiast 01:35:00.400 --> 01:35:06.080 community at large this was posed by sueli 01:35:04.320 --> 01:35:11.360 or however you pronounce that located in belgium so that's jackie yeah 01:35:09.280 --> 01:35:14.400 oh i love that guy he's awesome uh anyway 01:35:12.639 --> 01:35:17.679 so there's a product guided tour apparently apparently bitfenix thinks 01:35:16.000 --> 01:35:22.960 they can do them better than us instead of having us do their product 01:35:19.280 --> 01:35:25.520 tours actually i just uh i just got off 01:35:22.960 --> 01:35:28.159 an email thread with bitfenix yesterday where we were going back and forth 01:35:26.719 --> 01:35:31.280 pretty good we are going to be getting samples of pretty much every upcoming 01:35:29.840 --> 01:35:35.199 bitfenix thing so we will be bringing you guys more bitfenix videos so that's 01:35:33.760 --> 01:35:38.880 a new development that i don't think slick knew about yet 01:35:36.800 --> 01:35:42.480 but the the thing that people noticed about the prodigy was that it wasn't 01:35:40.639 --> 01:35:46.800 that small it was about the size of matx cases but 01:35:45.040 --> 01:35:50.159 took an itx motherboard in fact silverstone 01:35:49.040 --> 01:35:55.120 went like full like you know 01:35:52.239 --> 01:35:59.600 shots fired mode against uh bitfenix by basically saying well if you look at the 01:35:57.120 --> 01:36:02.400 actual volume of the case um 01:36:00.960 --> 01:36:07.440 we have like matx cases that are smaller than 01:36:04.639 --> 01:36:09.920 this that like fit hardware pretty well too 01:36:08.639 --> 01:36:14.960 so what they've done is they have completely rearranged the interior in 01:36:12.400 --> 01:36:19.520 order to accommodate an matx board so they no longer have the flat mounting 01:36:17.280 --> 01:36:22.800 idea that they had for the itx board it's again a vertically mounted 01:36:21.120 --> 01:36:26.400 motherboard okay i'm gonna just like zoom in as far as i possibly can here 01:36:25.040 --> 01:36:30.080 240p yeah yeah 01:36:28.800 --> 01:36:35.600 all right okay so there you go you kind of see it now so here's where the motherboard is 01:36:34.080 --> 01:36:40.639 it's an upside down motherboard arrangement drives go i think here 01:36:38.639 --> 01:36:44.960 and then uh it supports liquid cooling in the back 01:36:41.840 --> 01:36:45.920 with a yeah one radiator yeah 01:36:44.960 --> 01:36:49.600 so there's yeah there's less support like one cool 01:36:48.080 --> 01:36:53.840 thing that we saw in the prodigy before was the insane water cooling builds yes 01:36:51.840 --> 01:36:56.480 where people would fit all the radiators and there will be less of that there 01:36:54.880 --> 01:37:01.520 will be less of that but it's more practical case yeah so 01:36:59.280 --> 01:37:04.560 good work be it phoenix love it and i hope they keep around the original 01:37:03.040 --> 01:37:09.199 prodigy i hope they just have two different products yes which i think they're doing yeah yeah okay that is 01:37:07.440 --> 01:37:12.080 confirmed we talked to them about it at computex when i i covered their booth 01:37:11.119 --> 01:37:17.280 yeah yeah i have seen this already the layout is actually pretty smart it 01:37:15.360 --> 01:37:20.400 looks good cool looks good cool all right 01:37:18.480 --> 01:37:23.760 unless you have anything else we ought to do we got to do the 01:37:21.920 --> 01:37:28.080 videos of the week yes we've got some pretty epic ones that i know you've seen 01:37:25.520 --> 01:37:32.480 at least one of all right he did finish on time which i was happy about 01:37:30.960 --> 01:37:38.320 all right build logs of the week let's go ahead and download this mother on 3g 01:37:36.560 --> 01:37:43.360 yeah i know right like my data bill just like whatever 01:37:41.440 --> 01:37:48.960 the good news is i have lots of oh i'm downloading two instances of it right 01:37:44.880 --> 01:37:48.960 now no stop cancel one 01:37:50.000 --> 01:37:56.480 don't you hate that when you have two instances coming down and you cancel the one that's more complete yeah 01:37:55.119 --> 01:38:01.600 it's like just fml moments or like when you commit 01:37:59.199 --> 01:38:06.320 something to the printer queue and then because printers are apparently still 01:38:03.760 --> 01:38:10.000 stuck in the 80s you can never have you ever successfully canceled a print job 01:38:08.320 --> 01:38:12.960 never i've only ever been able to do it physically on the printer and it just 01:38:11.360 --> 01:38:15.600 cancels everything that usually doesn't even work for me 01:38:14.560 --> 01:38:21.199 it's the it i do somewhat okay with that there was 01:38:18.960 --> 01:38:26.000 one time when i really had to cancel it like it was like 60 pages and what i had 01:38:23.520 --> 01:38:29.920 to do was i unplugged the printer and then just replugged it in sometimes even 01:38:28.560 --> 01:38:33.119 when you do that i'll just re-grab the job and keep going it was an old printer 01:38:31.840 --> 01:38:40.239 so it didn't it wasn't that advanced okay cool all right so moving right along guys 01:38:36.159 --> 01:38:42.159 here project cobalt by jordan mack this 01:38:40.239 --> 01:38:47.040 one boom it's just awesome holy crap like i wish 01:38:44.639 --> 01:38:51.679 we could show this in its hd glory where's 240p i'm sorry jordan mack oh 01:38:50.800 --> 01:38:55.360 man okay all of these guys like we're going 01:38:54.000 --> 01:38:59.360 to show pictures but check it on the freaking forum yeah um build log section 01:38:57.840 --> 01:39:03.679 of the forum check the build vlogs of the week thread isn't this thing 01:39:00.960 --> 01:39:07.679 beautiful i actually tweeted a picture of this mid-plate earlier this week 01:39:05.440 --> 01:39:10.960 because i was just blown away he's gonna be doing a comprehensive guide on how to 01:39:09.679 --> 01:39:15.600 make them and he's gonna be posting it in our guide section on the forum jordan 01:39:13.600 --> 01:39:19.520 you win i'm probably gonna make one i don't even know what you win it's so 01:39:17.119 --> 01:39:23.679 cool you win seven of them though it's just seven 01:39:21.199 --> 01:39:29.360 things seven things so he's got hyper cop kuiper 01:39:25.760 --> 01:39:29.360 yeah he invented a new medal 01:39:29.760 --> 01:39:33.520 yes copper piping which he has painted 01:39:32.800 --> 01:39:41.040 no place pleated sorry yes no paint plating 01:39:37.679 --> 01:39:43.040 on the copper tubing and beautifully 01:39:41.040 --> 01:39:48.639 sleeved cables mayhem uh blue fluid gorgeous pastel blue i 01:39:46.000 --> 01:39:51.920 believe i'm not sure yeah drilled holes through this mid plate that looks like 01:39:50.639 --> 01:39:56.560 you could damage it because it looks like a freaking pcb yeah 01:39:54.639 --> 01:40:00.719 just oh look at these oh look at these tubing runs man the runs are super nice 01:39:59.199 --> 01:40:04.320 and like without the mid plate on it looked a little bit weird with his runs 01:40:02.639 --> 01:40:06.800 but then once the mid plates on it makes tons of sense and looks great yup and 01:40:05.920 --> 01:40:11.679 slick this is the i actually gave slick a gtx 01:40:09.199 --> 01:40:16.000 670 which he refuses to install on his computer because of the mini pcb boom if 01:40:14.400 --> 01:40:20.639 it's good enough for him it's good enough for you 01:40:18.239 --> 01:40:24.320 boom beautiful machine anyway guys go check 01:40:22.560 --> 01:40:28.639 it out great sleeving which we've just kind of come to expect 01:40:26.400 --> 01:40:32.320 this build i i wanted to show like how he does the under lighting for the there 01:40:30.239 --> 01:40:36.159 we go so now you don't see the glare from the led strips this is with the 01:40:34.080 --> 01:40:38.880 side panel on man that's beautiful so it looks it looks better but it's not as 01:40:37.520 --> 01:40:44.239 comprehensive as the previous shot that's the only reason why all right moving on to our next build blog the 15 01:40:42.159 --> 01:40:47.679 terabyte bit phoenix prodigy by jim stock 87 i thought you might like this 01:40:46.400 --> 01:40:52.560 one especially man love it 01:40:50.719 --> 01:40:55.040 so there's there's not even a ton to say with this one other than go look at on 01:40:54.080 --> 01:40:59.520 the build logs because you probably can't see it ghetto mount SSD you win 01:40:57.920 --> 01:41:04.320 for that because i'm all about the ghetto mounted ssds ghetto mounted SSD a 01:41:02.320 --> 01:41:08.639 little fan that helps cool his raid card and then all the hard drives which is a 01:41:06.000 --> 01:41:12.400 thing yeah those raid cards run freaking hot they should have better cooling on 01:41:10.239 --> 01:41:18.400 them no because the way that they're spec'd is not for desktop installation 01:41:16.080 --> 01:41:23.440 yeah they're spec'd for racks where there's expected to be like turbine 01:41:21.040 --> 01:41:28.320 grade fans drawing air front to back cooling these things in fact right in 01:41:25.840 --> 01:41:33.760 the documentation for the lsi card i believe that i have in my machine it 01:41:30.400 --> 01:41:35.360 says it expects x number of cfm of 01:41:33.760 --> 01:41:39.840 constant airflow you can get one of those gelad pci slot fan 01:41:38.320 --> 01:41:44.639 yeah that wouldn't make my machine look ridiculous uh my solution was to put the 01:41:42.719 --> 01:41:48.400 raid card down at the very bottom and then i have a basement radiator that it 01:41:46.800 --> 01:41:52.880 gets some incidental airflow from and it doesn't overheat yeah here's another oh 01:41:50.880 --> 01:41:56.159 man just a better shot i just wanted to show that it was actually in a prodigy 01:41:54.159 --> 01:42:01.360 with the previous great choice of wd reds that is definitely the appropriate 01:41:58.239 --> 01:42:04.400 drive for a machine like this 01:42:01.360 --> 01:42:06.800 and neptune by jojo69 01:42:04.400 --> 01:42:10.800 very inappropriate jojo disapprove of that number 01:42:08.639 --> 01:42:12.800 oh my goodness at first i was like huh what what's 01:42:12.000 --> 01:42:17.520 so kind of similar idea to one that we saw 01:42:15.040 --> 01:42:21.440 previously but he he got his cable sleeved i believe these are extensions 01:42:19.199 --> 01:42:26.560 and then he sewed them himself together if you see those lines sewn together so 01:42:24.400 --> 01:42:29.600 fascinating the the threading doesn't look bad 01:42:27.760 --> 01:42:33.280 and it keeps them in a very nice neat run right which i thought was very cool 01:42:31.679 --> 01:42:38.800 that was a challenge that i had with my machine was like how do you make them 01:42:36.400 --> 01:42:42.400 yeah stay together so he sewed them together which kind of makes sense and 01:42:40.639 --> 01:42:47.199 that's and not to just bring attention to that it's a very beautiful build just 01:42:45.119 --> 01:42:51.760 yep nice straight tubing runs always looks gorgeous a lot of criticism for my 01:42:49.679 --> 01:42:54.719 overkill buyers guide Linus you should have used better angled fittings you 01:42:53.360 --> 01:42:59.440 should have done straighter tubing runs you should have used clear tubing and a coolant et cetera et cetera et cetera 01:42:58.000 --> 01:43:04.719 guys it was a build that we were literally going to tear apart as soon as 01:43:02.159 --> 01:43:07.840 we were done building it so yes you're not wrong 01:43:06.000 --> 01:43:12.719 you're not wrong but you're also not necessarily right because one of the 01:43:09.679 --> 01:43:14.639 things that i personally don't do is 01:43:12.719 --> 01:43:18.480 invest in very specialized pieces of hardware that i can't continue to reuse 01:43:16.880 --> 01:43:22.480 because when i build a rig my graphics card might be in 01:43:20.560 --> 01:43:25.679 there for well more so in the past i don't change it as much anymore but i 01:43:24.159 --> 01:43:29.760 would look at everything as it needs to be modular my graphics card might be in 01:43:27.520 --> 01:43:35.040 there for two more weeks who knows saying that you have a 590. i know so 01:43:33.280 --> 01:43:38.800 it's less true these days but that's always the approach that i've taken to a 01:43:36.800 --> 01:43:42.719 rig is how hard is it to work on this bloody thing 01:43:39.920 --> 01:43:47.600 so that was why i would never use hard fittings between my slide cards i always 01:43:45.840 --> 01:43:52.080 used tubing because i found it easier to disconnect and pull one card if there 01:43:49.520 --> 01:43:55.280 was an issue same thing why i never used particularly angled fittings because i'd 01:43:53.600 --> 01:43:57.600 be doing motherboard swaps every three to four weeks 01:43:56.719 --> 01:44:02.639 so no i'm not buying full full cover 01:43:59.920 --> 01:44:05.920 motherboard blocks not in my not in my dictionary that's 01:44:04.239 --> 01:44:10.960 uh yes but that's not necessarily applicable to everyone no it's not yeah 01:44:07.920 --> 01:44:12.719 it's just that's why i took that's my 01:44:10.960 --> 01:44:16.239 personal philosophy and if you if you were doing a one run 01:44:14.400 --> 01:44:18.960 of that build though i personally agree with them we should have done tightly 01:44:17.840 --> 01:44:23.920 straighter runs but we're tearing it down like so so there's that and like 01:44:22.159 --> 01:44:26.960 that's we we showed that was just a better shot of the computer but i wanted 01:44:25.440 --> 01:44:30.960 to do a close-up shot this one you can see the threading a lot better no way is 01:44:29.360 --> 01:44:33.600 that one of those old zellman hard drive coolers 01:44:32.560 --> 01:44:37.679 wow you win the internets for that i don't 01:44:35.600 --> 01:44:41.520 even think you can buy those anymore and it even matches the color scheme to 01:44:39.440 --> 01:44:45.520 build perfectly yes i wanted to go back to that shot again 01:44:42.880 --> 01:44:49.440 there we go gorgeous machine really really good and then carbon 01:44:47.679 --> 01:44:53.119 yeah i was trying to i was like there's something i'm missing your carbon fiber 01:44:50.800 --> 01:44:57.280 apps like everything that carbon fiber wrap absolutely beautiful 01:44:55.199 --> 01:45:02.480 all right so i think that pretty much wraps it up for the lan show today guys 01:44:59.679 --> 01:45:07.520 thank you very much for your patience we are going to be on the line with shaw 01:45:04.800 --> 01:45:11.679 pretty much immediately after this and we are going to see if we can figure out 01:45:09.679 --> 01:45:15.760 these issues for next week and uh i'm just going to call them right 01:45:13.760 --> 01:45:19.600 now hopefully next week's stream is not in 240p but thank you for watching 01:45:17.600 --> 01:45:23.840 anyway good night everyone thanks guys we'll we will do an after party once 01:45:21.280 --> 01:45:28.080 everything's working yeah i think we're we're off for after party because the 01:45:25.440 --> 01:45:31.040 stream has already run a full hour over time with us diagnosing technical 01:45:29.760 --> 01:45:34.239 difficulties we get everything working next week i think we can we can confirm 01:45:33.119 --> 01:45:40.800 it after party if we get everything working next week and if you guys follow me on twitter you'll have seen that i 01:45:37.760 --> 01:45:41.760 now have a new workflow for taking the 01:45:40.800 --> 01:45:47.600 um the video clips that we get out of xsplit which have our variable frame 01:45:45.679 --> 01:45:52.320 rate and making sure that the video and audio don't desync so i should be able 01:45:50.000 --> 01:45:55.119 to get the lan show uploaded sooner than normal and do you have any family 01:45:53.440 --> 01:46:00.400 functions this weekend that would be great okay well that figures but uh if 01:45:57.920 --> 01:46:04.610 you can you get it up tonight i can get it up anytime you want tonight 01:46:02.880 --> 01:46:07.720 then