welcome to the WAN Show guys it's august 16th which is actually almost my
birthday i know you give zero cares about birthdays and you had no idea that was
coming but you know what i actually did did you because the last time it was
your birthday i put it in my phone oh good work okay
well it's my birthday and my cat decided to help me celebrate by peeing on my
motorcycle jacket so if you had detected the smell of cat urine about me
then um no actually that is where it was coming from not from this vulgar shirt
that would have been equally plausible yeah yeah so so this shirt is uh my
special treat for all the viewers there today who wanted to see me wearing this
kind of a shirt it's absolutely horrible it's for an upcoming video where my
character is just sort of a horrible person in general but anyway we've got
some great topics for the WAN Show there's a new witcher 3 trailer which
we're going to be definitely talking about we've also got some exciting stuff
there's a ton of rumors about AMD's upcoming graphics cards so we'll be uh
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this week is ryan shrout from pc perspective so we're going to be talking
to him about AMD's new frame pacing driver as well as maybe you know
shooting the breeze about some of the some of the rumors it's uh it's always
kind of iffy how much the media folks can say and can't say because once they
actually hear something officially then it's kind of hard to talk about it
whereas if they're not the source and you know they don't know anything about it anyway then it's a little bit then
it's a little bit easier there so without further ado
intro time where's the intro
you have got to be kidding me same exact same thing as last week yes
it is the exact same thing as last week you would think that i would somehow
predict that but that is that is actually not what happens sometimes
when these things do occur in such a way
that people are stalling for time which
should be obvious at this point was that i think that this is
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so there you have it guys we are finally kicked off so why don't we dive right
into maybe one quick topic here and then we're gonna ask ryan to join us because
he is in the eastern time zone and has very kindly asked to join us at the
earliest possible opportunity so that he can like sleep
that's kind of important yeah i'm gonna i'm gonna take a shot at him for that once he gets on here because real nerds
don't need sleep so you know i think we all know that that's
true so what do we got as our opening kickoff here uh might as well jump right
into the top one which is ea humble bundle ea humble bundle yes indeed so
for those of you who haven't heard i'm just gonna go ahead and open this up on
the old laptop here boom there it is the humble origin
bundle eight games
and i think the average price last time i looked was around four bucks
which is outstanding uh where is it four dollars and eighty
cents so it's actually going up now ea has outdone themselves here which isn't
hard
has taken shots ea has outdone themselves here because
normally the way humble bundle works is it's up to the person buying the bundle
to decide how much money to allocate to
the developer and then how much to allocate to humble bundle you know hey
thanks for doing this and a charity there's usually at least one charity
tied in ea has taken out the developer
they probably knew no one was going to give them any money
oh i'm sorry ea you guys are actually kind of awesome this time so you've got
the option to give some money to humble bundle and then you have your choice of
five outstanding charities including human rights campaign watsi san
francisco aids foundation american cancer society and american red cross
and you can allocate however much of the money you're paying to whoever you want
in whatever proportion you want which is just a really cool thing to do they have
sold over 1.1 million bundles and raised
over 5.5 million dollars for charity and
people that are crying about origin because it's the humble bundle origin
bundle yes i think it's like five out of the eight games come with steam codes
yes so you there look at this e actually
yeah i'm not even gonna you know do this because it's not fair they have gone
the extra mile here most of the games are available on steam
we usually wreck them but give credit where credit's due this is pretty
freaking awesome yep and you know it's funny i we we had some comments on our
forum hey guys ea must have been watching your last livestream because
you burned them for only contributing i think it was uh 16 000 or something
you know what they're giving away their games for charity this week they're
raising millions of dollars so
that's the way to do it good job there we go the first time we've ever
applauded ea on this show well but like yeah we've applauded them
like ironically but not but not seriously this is serious serious
applause good job ea there's there's been some problems with activating origin codes
and stuff like that but they are i was saving that for like the punchline oh
sorry yeah so sims 3 uh there's been
some issues people haven't been able to activate it there doesn't seem to be a
clear answer whether it's related to region or Windows 8 or
ea's pointing the finger back at humble bundle
about why it's not working and then humble bundle saying that they might be
region specific but then some people outside of the us
are activating them so i don't i don't know what's going on at all they are
they are claiming to be working on it and five of the games come with steam codes anyways so we'll give them that
anyway you guys uh so the games that you get are dead space burnout paradise the
ultimate box crysis 2 maximum edition mirror's edge dead space 3 medal of
honor and if you pay more than the average price you get battlefield 3 the
sims 3 plus the starter pack which i believe is two extra content packs okay
so absolutely outstanding without further ado i would like to invite mr
ryan schrout from pc perspective to join us here on
the WAN Show so we're making our call remember guys guests are powered by
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uh options to choose from oh hold on
well i wonder if that's the thing that happened before
there we go let's try making our call here
okay we're going to restart this really quick we're also going to add our guests
lower third so we have a special lower third for our guest now ryan gave us a
fantastic choice of different options for us to use for his lower
third he sent us two pictures both of which were this one
so that that was a bit interesting so speaking of the beta status of razer
comms we're going to go ahead and delete system 32 which is one of the helpful
tips that was given to us here on twitter to help us diagnose any kinds of
system issues that we might be having there you go thank you christian moley
uh for giving us that uh that great little tip there you are truly a
gentleman and a scholar
ryan are you there yeah there you are all right
so how's it going how's uh how's the pc reviewing biz
uh it it goes it continues it's a never-ending process as you're aware um
some weeks more exciting than others but uh i have a feeling that the the rest of
the year will be as exciting as the early part of the summer was
well that is uh that is a very very uh
helpful clue for the viewers i think if
they if they know what was going on in the early part of the summer and it's
funny that you should mention that because i remember AMD saying something
along the lines of we are not releasing a new GPU architecture this year
and then um yeah they said that didn't they they sure they did say that they they did say
that um you know i think what they actually said at the
point at that point was that the there were rumors that a new GPU was
coming very soon and they said uh our product lineup is going to be stable
through 2013. you can you know you can pr speak that
in kind of any way you want right and then they kind of had a call and said well
i think at the end of the call they did kind of admit that there would be something before the end of the year
obviously they were very wishy-washy about it and after they made the
statement about stable throughout the year how many weeks was it or how many
days was it before they released 77.90 which was actually not quite based
on the same design as the previous gpus
right yeah i mean you're right it wasn't that
long and it it's it's a it's a it's a
it's a it's an interesting web they we they weave right all these companies
kind of do that and i think they were afraid of people assuming that you know
they were going to release new gpus in june or july and thus kind of killing
any possible sales in the march april may
time frame you know that's always what you gotta with any release of hardware
or gadgets or whatever you don't want people to know about the new one too
early otherwise they won't want to buy the old one that you have warehouses and
warehouses of which is funny because so many different
companies take such different approaches to this you look at Intel where their
road maps are i mean even general consumers reading reviews
on pc perspective or other hardware sites are going to know what's coming
for the next couple years um and then NVIDIA and AMD
like they hold their cards like close to their chest to the point where
is there a purpose well so Intel has that a capability
because they're such a the dominant player in the market right so um
they don't really have any real big competition from AMD in mobile or
desktop or you know uh all-in-one pcs and that kind of thing so
when when they think about their roadmap they can change it kind of however they
want and they're not going to be affected they're not going to get dinged in the market they're not going to get
you know dinged by well they might get dinged by enthusiasts but it's not really going to matter uh because
the the blip we make on their sales radar is relatively small so uh because
they don't have any real strong competition they don't worry if
AMD knows what they have planned whereas AMD uh and NVIDIA on the graphics side
definitely worry about what the other one has planned
that is a very good point you know what this wasn't on our live stream document
but i want to talk apu because these rumors have been swirling for a long
time and uh there was an article recently that was on a fairly
non-credible site i think it was a pc perspective or something like that no
just kidding it was different um that AMD is going to abandon the
high-end desktop CPU market
what do you make of this um it wouldn't really surprise me at all
because Intel tries to do that
every chance they get right so um
sandy bridgey has has been around for way too long ivy bridge is right around
the corner but ivy bridge e and sandy bridge these kind of high-end
workstation processors that enthusiasts buy into are
really just that their server and workstation parts that are kind of being
trimmed down there's i mean if you look at ivy bridge if you look at haswell
those parts really started like the 350 range and go down there's no real
high-end market in those what i would consider mainstream
processors at this point um AMD has a big disadvantage in terms of
performance in terms of efficiency their bulldozer architecture kind of flopped
miserably you know they i'm sure you guys talked about them when they released the 220 watt eight core
processor that ran at five gigahertz and
what kind of a joke that actually is that you
know it's a a thousand dollar AMD processor an 800 AMD processor that runs
at two times the thermal limit of an iv bridge or haswell that it can't really
keep up with in terms of performance so um you know AMD has brought in
re actually re-added some of their better engineers like top level
engineers on the CPU and the GPU side so i wouldn't really count them out 100 yet
but it's going to be at least you know 18 months 24 months or beyond before we
see a kind of turnaround it takes that long in the micro architecture world and it's
funny you mentioned that because we talk about AMD and NVIDIA jealously guarding
secrets from each other even down to things like the uh the day of a
particular launch when we're a month away but like you said adding a new
architecture to a team or adding a new architect to a team or
new engineers to a team um probably won't affect an actual product
until 18 to 24 months down the line so it really
raises the question why do they bother well so
obviously if they're doing that then they believe that there is still a market for discrete higher end
processors and i think what we're going to find is more of these overlaps are
going to occur with the server and workstation world there's not going to be any kind of dedicated desktop
processors i know everybody is afraid about the move of Intel to bga only
processors um and that's that's kind of an inevitable
outcome with these 200 and below
processors that's just the way the markets are going to work
well you look at the way they trim costs on a motherboard saving 32 cents
is actually a thing and you look at the cost of a socket if they could stop
putting a socket on a board i think both Intel and the motherboard manufacturers
would be giving it the old thumbs up well i think the motherboard manufacturers will hate it because they
are now responsible then for twice the the product rma right so if a processor
has an issue they're now responsible for returning that replacing it and all that
kind of stuff uh it also means they have to have if they want to even attempt to
offer the same amount of choice they're going to have to drastically increase
their skew count right so if you get like an ASUS z87 pro motherboard now you
want it do you want it with the high-end processor the mid-range processor the
low-end processor i'm going to play devil's advocate here
and i'm going to throw this at you because having worked in retail i've
seen a pretty good cross-section of rma percentages and cpus are
like one in a thousand maybe motherboards are a whole heck of a lot
more than that so i would actually argue that the CPU
defects rate will affect motherboard
rmas less than end user error installing
cpus into sockets which i've seen a lot of yeah i mean that that's you know
that's that's entirely possible i guess because
i well i know for a fact that motherboard vendors hated it when am or
when Intel removed the pens from the processor and put them on
the uh the socket themselves and that was kind of everybody took it
as Intel kind of given the finger to the board vendors and say well if you still
want to play in our ecosystem you kind of have to do what we want to do so yeah
i i can see that point of view that that it would actually lower rmas on that
product as a whole but it still would be a kind of pricing and skewing issue that
uh Intel would essentially be shipping off to their their board partners they
probably just have to have less skus like the pro board might come with one
or two different options and that'll be that and i think honestly it's going to
cause more problems for the retailers than it will necessarily for the board
makers because you have to stock so much more stuff and the product managers are
going to have to be so much more educated than they used to be you can't
just kind of you know be a machine ordering every
board ordering every CPU and then just kind of watching what customers buy and
replenishing as needed you'll have to actually make intelligent choices about
um and at the product management level both at the manufacturer and at the
retailer where they have to decide what the end user will probably want
because sometimes it's not that predictable yeah like i'd put together
bundles sometimes sort of on a whim oh i
need a i need to fill up like a fourth bundle spot
and then that would be the one that would sell and i'd be floored
unless it's like uh sabre who said 77 and 35 70k then you know that'll do well
yes and i mean that's another argument for bga because if you paired a sabretooth
z87 with a 4670k i mean ryan how many people do you think are buying a
different CPU with that board
i i honestly don't know i would assume it's not that many right so the the the
Intel kind of lineup is is fairly
modest as it is now uh in terms of what parts diy guys are
actually picking up i'm sure um it's just it's i think when this happens you
will see people leave the motherboard business
that aren't giant players already
what do you think about that um
i i guess this is it's gonna sound bad i'm okay with that right you know
they're they're all compare the number of motherboard manufacturers today to what they were
five ten years ago let's go 10 years ago um and
um dfi was a big player all these guys that
used to try to make enthusiasts uh diy parts a lot of them are gone and we're
really kind of left with a handful ASUS Gigabyte MSI
um you know you've got others like asrock and evga that are still in there that
are doing interesting things but it's it's really down to a couple of main
players but i wouldn't it wouldn't surprise me now Intel's let uh gone
essentially from that market they're not building boards on their own anymore uh
that you would kind of really be left with like evie or ASUS and Gigabyte
maybe that's it right you know you just never know
fascinating so i'd like to take this opportunity for a moment to uh ask you
guys to direct some twitter questions to
ryan we're gonna do a twitter blitz with him before he has to leave us again he
apparently has to sleep because he's he's weak unlike the rest of us nerds
yeah i heard you i heard you bashing me earlier for that it's not it's not
it's not to sleep so much as it is um my
wife would like to see me on friday i guess is what it comes down to your wife
actually wants to spend time with you yeah i know it's kind of different it's
kind of different but you know i i do i do late shows on
wednesdays and late shows on thursdays and and it's uh it's easier that way
speaking of which do take this time to pimp your podcast and anything else that
you think people should definitely pay attention to you on twitter guys you
need to follow ryan on twitter at pc per but uh ryan tell them a little bit about
what you do if they don't already know i just kind of came into this with that
assumption sure uh so pcpur.com is the
website we do hardware reviews of processors motherboards graphics cards
uh we do some laptops and some tablets and all that other uh hardware and
gadgety type stuff we've been doing this for a long time i think it was stuck on
the phone with somebody i've been doing this for over 13 years almost 14 years
now yeah you're old man i am trust me
i'm 31 and i feel like i'm 51 when i see
how how many people move around in this industry as it is um but pcp.com is the
website we do a lot of cool stuff there we have our podcast uh which you can get
access to either the rss or the videos or the audio files at pcper.com
podcast we record that on wednesday nights um
live as well i think we have our own pcp.com live channel too so if anybody's
interested just go to pc pro.com we've got a schedule on the right hand side
for all of our live events and then all of our reviews
and articles are obviously throughout the website in fact that was how ryan
and i met was he invited me to be a guest on the pc per podcast which i
would of course be happy to do again for you man so uh cool
definitely throwing that out there he hasn't invited me back though
i just want more people to see my face everywhere on the internet please ryan
well see here you don't even i i'm left to a caricature of myself
in the middle
i like the artwork with the coloring with the green and the kind of matches the sight design i don't know if that
was on purpose but i like that my guy is awesome uh that's actually diesel the
intern is the the guy who does all of our graphics and all that cool stuff and
i think he did a fantastic job it's definitely on purpose it's an intense
that's an intense photo of me that's from uh that's from quakecon that i was
at just a couple weeks ago i think that's the only still photo of him i
have ever seen no there's one other one is there yeah
there are some funny ones going around uh there's one from quakecon where somebody i'm wearing uh flashing red
cooler master uh kanye west glasses and there's a guy in a horse mask behind me
so look for that excellent
so speaking of uh kanye west let's talk
about one of the big things that pc per has been doing that has sort of uh
rubbed people the wrong way but unlike kanye west has caused some
definite positive change in the industry and of course i want to talk about AMD's
new frame pacing driver
yeah what do you want to know it's it's much better
thanks man so uh basically here we go this is one of the articles on pcpur.com
guys definitely check it out if you search for a frame rating catalyst 13.8
um if you could summarize this in a nutshell give us kind of the story what
you found out what you reported back to AMD what they said to you and what
eventually came out as
13.8 so the the drama has been going on for a
long time right where we discovered that
AMD's multi-GPU technology
has been producing some awkward results uh hard work is one way of
putting it bad they're very they're they're bad results you were getting much lower
observed frame rates than what you would
appear to be getting when you looked at benchmark numbers and fraps and in most reviews
and uh that was you know we we kind of we worked out a new benchmarking system
where we're actually capturing the output directly from the graphics card
uh and then doing post-processing analyzation analyzation rather on that
data and it took a long time right so the
idea of micro stuttering the idea that people who for years and years really
have felt that you know when i am running multiple gpus it doesn't feel as
smooth sometimes as when i'm running on a single GPU and that was almost as far
as the anal analyzing got because it was impossible to
quantify it in any meaningful way because and there was so much
fun yeah sorry yeah there was i mean you
went on any forum and there was a dozen
people saying this and a dozen people saying that and no one agreed with
anyone right and everybody said some people said oh i don't see it and some
people said it's it's horrendous i cannot play
on an uh sli or crossfire system and
that went on basically since the reintroduction of multi-GPU into the
world of pc enthusiasts um and so the the advent of this what we
call frame rating which is the ability to capture the output directly i mean
the amount of data that this requires is tremendous if we capture 2560 by 1440 at
60 hertz essentially emulating a display we're
talking about 400 to 425 megabytes per
second of right that we have to you know get into a storage system to get raw raw
data out of it and sustainable if you drop one frame you have to throw the
whole thing away correct right if you miss if you miss one frame all the data
he did was wrong so it took us a while to figure out the right hardware
combination and software combination and get that to work but we have done it and
what we did over several over several months and several articles was show
here's where AMD is faulting their their
their crossfire is not balanced it's not pacing the frames out in a in a
comfortable way that makes the animation smooth on the screen and AMD
at first fought back about it uh and then slowly you know how you have like
those five stages of acceptance right so you can move in and you're angry at
first and then your denial yeah yeah you deny it and
they eventually accepted it and they started work on a new driver and this
was not a a minor task they had to rewrite much of their catalyst
software stack in order to get this to work so they spent a lot of time and they put
a lot of effort into getting this fixed and with the catalyst 13.8 beta they
essentially have been able to in my opinion they
haven't made it as good as what NVIDIA has done with their frame pacing but
it's close enough that for the very specific situations
i would consider crossfire to be a fixed
problem andy when i started my honest
situations are single monitor
uh attachment oh hold on ryan we're dropping uh we're
dropping some frames on the stream here let's just see if uh it has to do with
that sorry um so i think we're back now it looks like
we're not dropping any frames and uh okay here we go starting voice
chat and bringing ryan back to the show
nope no well we're trying to bring ryan back to the show okay let's go ahead and
give this one more try here man i love this show anything can happen
you never know what's gonna happen in theory we've got like news and uh
we should be wgh live what's gonna happen live yeah
like it could be absolutely anything oh apparently oh ryan schroed is calling
me yo dawg hey that sounds like a connection again
all right okay so let's look okay let's go to mine
and ryan's conversation apparently that's what we're gonna go to let's go
let's go to uh here we go this
okay so you were telling us about how AMD's drivers basically were not up to
snuff the observed frame rate was much lower and they pretty much rewrote a
huge part of their catalyst driver to release 13.8 and this is a graph from
pcpur.com tell us about this
so what used to happen before
is that your framing is reported
hold on audio quality is uh deciding that it hates its life here
we're not dropping any frames on the stream yet but uh
let's oh we're dropping frames yeah okay we're
done and we're back with reduced stream
quality again which is a most excellent
thing so ryan let's pick up where we left off tell us about this graph
right here to my camera right
so uh what the what the graph used to tell us before the 13.8 driver
is that there was a difference between what fraps would see
in terms of performance and what our observed frame rate would see in terms
of performance and our observed frame rate took things out that were we
considered to call runt frames frames that were too small to really matter or
drop frames that obviously never show up on the screen well fraps sees things
differently than what you do when you actually capture the video directly so
um what 13.8 does it implements
something called frame pacing when you have two gpus
rather than immediately
tell each GPU to render the next frame
as soon as the next one's done what you do is you kind of you watch what the
pattern of frames are doing how long it takes each frame
to render and you kind of adjust the time a little bit here and there you
maybe pause a little bit before you send the data from the game engine to the
next uh or for the next frame to the next GPU so
that you get an even distribution of frames both being rendered and thus
being displayed on the screen at the same time and it's a it's more of an art
than a science as it turns out because there's so much that happens
between the game engine directx the GPU driver and then the GPU hardware itself
um so it it it's it's it's kind of something that
it took a long time for them to be able to get right or close enough to write
and as i was saying earlier like the 13.8 driver is a big enough step forward
that i'm comfortable saying that AMD has fixed it for
single monitor configurations so if you have a 1920x1080 screen or a 2560x4
resolution monitor and you have crossfire 7970s or 7870s or you have one
of the 7990s then i think that what AMD has done has
improved things enough for me to start recommending those configurations again
i should also note it doesn't fix dx9 games the only fixes dx 10 and 11.
um that was more of a time issue for them i guess but dx9 games
we'll go ahead and give them the benefit of the doubt that um those tend to be
lower demanding on your graphics cards so you know if
they had to put priorities someplace dx 10 and 11 make sense
yeah and it's it's not like that might come out when this isn't in beta anymore
or something that could be a future feature i mean with that said witcher 2
is directx 9 yep so yeah still pretty
important and but like i said like it still could come
the other thing that i think is worth noting is
this does not improve ifinity configurations at all
so if you are a user that has a triple monitor setup for gaming it's it's very
likely then that you will also have a crossfire configuration of some kind uh
and this this current driver does not fix that
AMD has said that they're working on improving that and getting that fixed
address to those resolutions as well but i don't have a timetable for it and
i don't really have a whole lot of confidence they'll get that in place
like before their next GPU launch even
right so actually that was uh that was one of those next things i was going to
say is how important was the timing for AMD to get this driver fix for them to
have a really compelling story around their upcoming gpus because for a long
time they had that timer on their website uh AMD world's fastest graphics
card for however long running for them to be able to realistically claim a
crown like that it can't be like world's fastest graphics card asterisk if you
run at this particular resolution with this particular configuration in this
particular
the the issue i had with that claim because the 790 launched the middle of
all this commotion right so when 79.90 7990k mount
uh it obviously depends on crossfire to function a better than a single radio
hd7970 so that claims the world's fastest graphics
i kind of hadn't laughed at it and it is if you look at 3d marks and if you look at
fraps and you're not looking at kind of the experience of playing the game then
those claims could be made realistically uh but
the truth is it wasn't until this driver came out that i didn't think they had a realistic
option of digging that claim but uh the
world of reality in the world of public relations and marketing and advertising
are very different uh and not just in computer hardware but
in most of the things that we're involved with in our life uh right so it
didn't it didn't surprise me although it did
i think uh getting a lot of flack for in the in the online community and on
forums and stuff like that from articles like mine that pointed out those flaws
all right well you sound like you're on auto-tune uh speaking of kanye west
again because i think we're at the very limit of what our connection can sustain
right now i am very envious of you for
even having the opportunity to pay however much too much you're paying for
30 30 fiber because i think it's time for us to move in that direction i guess
we'll have to let you go because we apparently can't do voice and video at
the same time right now but thank you ryan um
once again guys oh sorry go ahead absolutely and uh if you guys
we can try to get another week it's not gonna be a deal once uh you get the
internet figured out and uh i'd love to come on and talk about these issues and
more when we know more about next reviews that are coming up in cpus as
well all right why don't we schedule you intentively for after AMD releases their
new graphics cards i'm really sorry to the viewers as well as you ryan because
i really had a few more topics that i wanted to touch on with you that i
thought you were going to have some great contributions to um so once again
guys ryan from pc per who talks like a
robot a little a little bit more cuts in there but that was pretty good
thanks ryan thanks
he really does sound like he's on auto tune
okay so hopefully this can hold all right hopefully hopefully ryan's
wife is okay with us taking up far too much of his time here tonight
and can i just yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah nuke that all
right so back to the regular show here
guys i'm sorry we weren't able to do some of the twitter questions for ryan
uh due to the technical difficulties with our internet connection we're gonna
get in touch with our provider and see if we can get some kind of white list
thing going on or we a callback i'm scheduled on a callback so
i might be running at some point but yeah all right so yeah they don't like
how much bandwidth we're eating right now no let's jump into the dangers of
online impersonation yeah which i think was an article by you and this is
awesome this is freaking amazing so this
website is actually um like a buddy of mine from
the industry's website i'm not going to name any names he actually recently left
the company he was at and it's just like his personal site and i really hope it
loads for me it's i'll i'm just gonna i'm just gonna stop i'm just gonna shut
my computer down
apparently we can't even load a website
in addition to what we're streaming right now like we
are at the very limits of what our internet connection can do
which is phenomenally disappointing if you can
hold i'm just going to go around and turn off everything in the house yeah just just just do it hit everything
um there's another thing uh anyways
all right cool
our bit rate ain't uh ain't even that high there guys
we we're not we're not asking for that much we're trying to load a page that is
all text right now
i'm gonna take a sip of water calm my nerves
i'm gonna like shut off wi-fi on my phone
okay everything in the house is off or
not connected to our internet at all except for the server which i'm assuming
you don't want me to do your laptop in that computer
all right
yeah um no so
there's a few topics that i can probably do without the pages
if you can tweet the urls maybe from your phone through
we can get people to see the pages that way all right and i won't turn on my
computer but if you can bring me to the dock all right a little bit of a cool which
urls do you want all right so there's grand theft auto online
and civilization online are two things that were very recently launched
let's talk civ online because i want them to be able to watch the trailer
with us optimally okay so is sieve online even in here
save online is not in here but i was going to do it as a combo topic with
grand theft auto of course you were um i find it interesting that these companies
like civilization sid meier civilization um are releasing dlcs and planning new
releases for their single-player games
um that have maybe a multiplayer component but then are also releasing an
online version like a non-numbered iteration online
version of their game so gta 5 is coming out soon
but then all these announcements about gta online
it's just kind of weird it's it's interesting market position um
it looks very different gta online is sandboxy like gta 5
but there's a lot of you can make your own little like combat levels
and you can customize is it just combat levels
all right here we go 3g to the rescue
and here it is folks so this is the gta online trailer which looks absolutely
amazing
rockstar games is looking to bring the heart of the grand theft auto experience
to a living online world with multiple players
just what you choose to do in that world is up to you
we're back at even lower quality
so there you go guys back to the
gta trailer that we left off on here
i'm going to try pressing that again
so you can you can rob liquor stores this is like a classic online
multiplayer gamepl
uh left me wondering about is can you like be a cop real money maybe
you can buy interesting i doubt it but interesting
so here's just someone's like cool pad and here's someone's like cool garage
with cool cars in it so they've got racing game elements
FPS game elements flying game elements
what appears to be like riptide like
sort of helps you progress
they're going to have everything my one thing is i hope they make it big enough
because this gta online there's going to be a million people actually more than
that trying to play well they claim that they're going to be constantly expanding
the game world yeah i just hope they start with it expanded enough because
there's gonna be a huge rush of people they've got a map editor where they're
saying they'll allow you to build your own levels and your own uh challenges
and stuff like that and it looks like a very solid map editing
so there you have it guys gta online so you were tying this into civilization
online i just i find it interesting that games
we saw this a while back and it didn't really take and now it's kind of
happening again where games are trying to release the like uh online
nomenclature on the end of their game just release it and go with it
but i think it can actually work this time before the infrastructure wasn't really
there now it is i think this gta maybe
civilization but gta more i think can actually run with this and have their
more single players super graphics super heavy
uh modifiable everything because the modding community behind gta 4 is insane
some of the screenshots for gta 4 are just nuts
and really really heavy single player storyline but then also have gta online
i think it's a really good move it's interesting but i think it's a really good move
so civilization 5 online or civilization
online or whatever you want to call it because this would be civilization six
by this point it it would be civilization six if that's what you
called it but then it it acts differently because you can like it is much more
online than civilization five is cause civilization is one of the worst
multiplayer experiences ever i mean i've been trying to get a civilization
online game completed since like civ 2 test of time
they have they have a freaking option so that you can have it so it sends out an
email when it's someone's turn so they can log in and then do their
turn and then people can wait so it's going to be more like words with friends
no i'm talking about uh five to five oh the existing like
yeah the newer one is supposed to be a perpetual environment which is
interesting i just and i think this might fix their whole awkward online
situation that they've had for a long time so it's going to be real time game
because you'd lose a lot of the civilization
you have your like okay i i don't know if there's not enough
information out there yet or i just haven't been able to find it but you have your kind of perpetual main city
and then you can make expansions and push out and those can be destroyed but
i think your means that you can't hmm although i could definitely be wrong
someone correct me on twitter which i can't check but yes do so i will get
that later yeah
all right well that's uh that's kind of exciting speaking of extremely
crazy exciting trailers guys
check this out
so if any children are watching stop yes
and there's a bunch of like awards and whatnot so this is the
uh this is the witcher 3 trailer
by order of the emperor of nilfgaard for the murder of the wounded loading
okay i gotta stop this for a second did you just call it milf guard
they're trying to protect their women
cannibalism you are hereby sentenced to death by
hanging okay now hold on a second
they call the place milf guard and then they're sentencing this woman
to death by hanging i mean are they guarding them
mind you she's not even that old anyway
dormant
don't meddle take the reward and let's go
knew you witches wouldn't score an imperial goal
evil is evil lesser greater middling
makes no
the degree is arbitrary the definitions blurred if i'm to choose between one
evil and another i'd rather not choose it all
just make it quick
i bet she doesn't close her eyes
what are you doing killing monsters
all right so that was kind of the punch line there killing monsters and there's
a big and we're hopefully back so uh
anyway guys our isp says through twitter
that they are not throttling us we have no idea what else it would be
um however we'll give them the benefit of the doubt maybe they're not i don't
know but it looks an awful lot like that because as soon as we start streaming up
our internet connection goes into the toilet
and decides to it works
it works but it's very poorly very very very slow you guys saw what the symptoms
looked like so what would happen was uh ryan's voice communication with us would
get very garbled but things are getting through until it
screeches to a halt so it really feels like it whatever's being done is uh
is whatever i i really i really can't
think of anything else that would cause something like this Linus even started
doing his laptop off 3g instead of our wi-fi so the only computer in the entire
house running off the internet was this desktop
so we'll have a look uh shaw is telling the people that tweet them about me
being throttled that i should direct message them and they'll get it
addressed so i have direct message them hopefully they'll get it addressed
hopefully we won't go down again so let's just keep this rolling so good
trailer or bad trailer the witcher 3 wild hunt trailer i think it was a
good trailer okay but do you even know what you're
going to drink because there was no in-game material
whatsoever that's why i said it depends what you're looking for okay
there's a difference between an in-game trailer and a hype trailer this was a hype trailer i personally like in-game
trailers more but still appreciate height trailers i just wish they would
have released an in-game trailer first cause the grand theft auto online
trailer pretty much sold that game to anyone who watched it yep whereas the
witchers because what's the difference between hype and
selling the game like it's still selling the game though but
okay it's drawing well okay it's drawing interest to it now everyone knows
everyone's seen this video now it's been around so much it's been tweeted around
so much now they're interested now hopefully they'll get off their butts and release
a gameplay trailer fast enough and that will sell people i mean here's my
problem too like i actually like i didn't play through a huge part of the
campaign or anything but i've got a few hours on witcher 2. i've got
i think around five or six hours on witcher one like i played through some
they didn't tuck me in at all and that trailer looked
absolutely nothing like witcher gameplay yeah nothing what what i liked about
witcher 1 was the insane amount of customization
stuff and these same amount of things that you had to do depending on who you were fighting
um but didn't find the rest of it very engaging so didn't keep playing i could
tell that it was a good game i just ah i just wanted to do other things and
then witcher 2 i got to this like port city
yeah and was just like what do i do this
isn't sandbox enough that i can do anything i want but then it's
not straight line enough that i have no idea what i'm supposed to be doing right
now which was i don't know i could have looked it up
but i was like man i'm just gonna go do other stuff
right so i don't know i guess we'll uh
we'll see but i i mean from my perspective as much as i enjoy watching
these cinematic trailers like the dead island trailer oh my goodness that was
awesome but that's the point of hype trailer like hype trailer is still interesting
it's like i still remember that yeah never was even tempted for a second to
buy the game especially once i heard how terrible it was yeah
you're talking about the super slo-mo one where everything's going backwards and the zombies there's the daughter and
she flies out the window yeah yeah outstanding so good that's one of the
few trailers that i remember the whole thing of never bought the game never played it but the thing is they have to
continue it you have to roll off of a hype trailer so you release a hype
trailer then you have to release other stuff release like a little bit of gameplay
like uh battlefield they released some hype stuff and then
they released the like 14 minutes of gameplay or whatever it was okay that
was smart that was battlefield 4. so good timing would be gamescom go to
actually totally the gameplay that would be perfect if
they do that that would be like a very very good transition
i hope they do that okay so that would probably they'll
probably be about the right time for that cd project's an awesome company city project red is just great so i just
i hope they do it all right so let's move into our next
topic which is google blocks the Windows phone youtube
app so google is claiming that microsoft didn't follow their guidelines
their guidelines sounded pretty uh douche baggy to me
so i i actually didn't really like the verges coverage of this particular uh
this particular thing however here's the link to theverge.com google blocks
microsoft's new youtube Windows phone app so here's the basic story um google
has said we're not going to build a youtube app for Windows phone eight
okay so microsoft's all like okay well we'll make one yeah at our own
expense just give us you know
access to the API let us do these things um so then microsoft released one that
was actually pretty excellent there wasn't very many
errors with it until google dropped the
well hold on no micros google made them pull the first one
first okay so yeah okay so microsoft broke a couple of google's rules um so
it allowed downloading videos and it also didn't display any ads
okay so google wasn't super thrilled about that not surprising they're all
like well no um stop that and we need you guys to
integrate support for ads and you need to remove that functionality where
people can download videos so microsoft is all like okay
back to the drawing board we're gonna go ahead and do those things and hey we're
gonna add the functionality to upload videos while we're at it so they
re-released it and google has pulled it
again and they just dropped API so all these people that are
using it it just randomly stops working yeah um and what they're claiming is
that microsoft's implementation
and microsoft actually has an awesome
like awesome public letter right now to
google where they basically are like yo dawg you didn't build html5 versions
of your youtube app for iOS or Android
in fact behind closed doors you've agreed with us that html5 is more of a
long-term goal and in the meantime we
have to have something to give our users so that's why we did it this way um
you know i thought your whole business model was you want people using your services not
that you're going to try to differentiate your platform Android
based on allowing people to access youtube
through an app i heard slightly i heard that but in way more vague terms
which is it's interesting to hear that but was that in a different article uh
that was in microsoft's uh open letter like just microsoft's open later okay
cool because i heard just statements of google being like oh you didn't follow
our guidelines for the back end that's what i heard not
you had to make it html5 that's really interesting oh no their letter is
fantastic i absolutely love it let me just uh
let me just pull up a link yeah microsoft is hoping that a public
message detailing the industries the uh the injustices here it is they call it
the limits of google's openness
you may be one so this is from their corporate vp and deputy general counsel
litigation and antitrust microsoft wow
oh yeah no this is not like engineers like firing shots across each other's
bows this is this is the big dogs getting involved here
so this gives the whole history of what went on and also says uh google raises
concerns about their branding the funny thing about this point is we've been
using the same branding since 2010 for an inferior youtube app now that we have
an app that gives users a fuller youtube experience all of a sudden they object
to the branding finally google cites a degraded experience since 2010 google
has been permitting a way worse one and
reviews of our new app are unanimous that the experience is much improved
we're committed to continuing to make adjustments if google were truly
concerned about a degraded experience experience
it would allow our users to access the new youtube app that they love
we think it's clear that google just doesn't want Windows phone users to have
the same experience as apple and Android users the the statement from before
where they're questioning google's openness
that's very interesting because you you know they're like 20 campaign that they
had going on are we dropped
apparently we're not down i can still hear us okay so what i was
going to talk about apparently we're a podcast now that sounds good to me um
google's 20 thing where they they would they would let employees spend one day
of their week working on side projects whatever they wanted to do and then
there was the google Labs project where you could see all these little random
side projects and some of them turned into big things like there was a i think
google plus started as one of the lab projects i believe i'm
not entirely sure it says that word streaming however we dropped frames
immediately so we're back potentially at
240p
we've got people asking all kinds of inane questions on twitch chat no we're
not uploading videos right now separately on the connection because we
aren't stupid and
yeah definitely not i individually went around the entire office and shut off
everything like every computer in the house is off even my laptop is tethered
to my phone at of course a much higher expense
than uh a landline which should in theory be giving me a
reasonably decent connection
all right so we're back at 240p
boom let's see here we come yeah i know right
what were we even talking about i had segued us into google
changing their whole idea because for the longest point in time google was
this super open company yes that shared everything with everyone tried to make
everything free who's here i had probably b-roll okay uh
shared everything with everyone try to make everything free and was just
making all this money but giving everything out which was interesting
cool and it worked and then now they seem to be back bending down the hatches
closing everything down and just totally not being the nice open
nice and big quotes there um program or
company that we've known them for so one of the big things that notified this was
the putting more wood behind fewer aerialist comment by their new ceo yeah
ceo and getting rid of Labs and getting
potentially getting rumored to be getting rid of or already gotten rid of
the 20 program where employees had one day of their five-day work week to just
work on side projects right so side projects are not really a thing
anymore they're going to stay focused on the big biz stuff like self-driving cars
or whatever else in case maybe put all their employees behind it and
work five days a week on that and maybe not really help a lot of people
like microsoft to develop their own app all right so let's go into one of the
topics that i really wanted to do earlier and got cut off and i i really
don't think you guys are even gonna be able to read this i'm just gonna like
blow this up as big as possible here so
this is the double-edged sword that is using social media to communicate with
your customers so
bruno payne tweets at united airlines
note the misspelling there the united airlines staff at gate c8 in
the airport whatever that is are a complete disrespect hashtag news that
just goes along so well with this uh profile picture right here they are a
complete disrespect so let's go ahead
and move down united airlines says count your blessings at jfk they throw knives
to which bruno replies is that supposed to be funny
at jetblue for one takes tweets regarding their company sirius might
want to take some tips no it's a very serious warning we accidentally hired
bounty hunters to run that desk and now we can't stop them
michael tweets for those following i'm still stuck at buffalo at united
airlines thanks for trying to fight the weather you're doing well here at united
airlines we strive to not let a little thing like the fury of god prevent us
from delivering tolerable service
yes they're horrible in my experience and i avoid them if possible in our
defense it says on our website that we do not carry the equipment on domestic
flights to cater to nerds shout out for stranding my wife at ywg
for nearly 12 hours for a short flight to chicago excellent service after the
first six hours she technically belonged to us you're just lucky we met our
monthly quota so this is amazing so this is just a
completely fake parody airline account um
so this this guy found out that for
months angry customers had been tweeting it and says god has given me a great
beautiful funnel through which angry people flow in the worst possible mood
this is comedy gold i absolutely loved it
what is the recourse
for someone like united airlines how do they prevent this from happening
you have to go through the very few amount of tools that are even available
to you one of which is the official little check mark thing but you can't
even apply for that i can't even yes verified by twitter
is not an application process they have to reach out to you so i can't even
apply so if someone else made at linustick
for example on twitter i'm sure there's going to be a dozen of them now
but if someone made that Linus tick on twitter there's nothing i can do
to redirect people to the correct twitter account use your same photo same
background it's way too easy it's way too easy
i i find it hilarious but it's also worrisome at the same time now that you
brought up like the possibility of Linus tick yep
so i mean this is a and i mean i think this is this is something that everyone
needs to be aware of i mean i wish twitter would take account takedowns
more seriously it is extreme like i tried to um
i tried to take over at Linus tech tips
or at Linus sebastian or something like that where it was an obvious
uh twitter account's water and they basically said
no no nothing we can do so i don't even
know what united airlines is recourse would be because i mean they're
obviously they're united airlines so they're kind of a big deal so there
might be something we can do about it but it's not in twitter's terms of service
to deal with something like that so i think twitter needs to be aware of this
i think companies need to be aware of this and almost need to keep an eye out
proactively for companies that are impersonating them and i think customers
need to be aware of this because just because you're tweeting someone who
might look like they represent the company that mistreated you or
didn't mistreat you or whatever
happened that doesn't mean that that's what's going on nope
and there's atlantis to it there's a outline this twit oh that doesn't even
look new no i don't think it is actually outlandish so it's like korean or
something awesome um but yeah like
there's not a lot they can do and even okay if they get the account closed look
how much damage has been done already and then there's probably going to be
more i don't know were we actually online
when we talked about the call of duty ghosts trailer i have no idea i don't
know anymore either i think we were
all right so i'm going to load up this other article here this is pretty crazy
so this is like crazy as balls
a high-end flip phone
go ahead so this was posted by no treble on the forum the original sources end
gadget uh let me find my notes here real quick
so it features a micro sd slot two sim cards which is
cool maybe it's going to be destined for china or maybe it'll be somewhere else
entirely it's it's Android 4.1
bound on a 1.2 gigahertz quad-core CPU
and the outer screen has three touchscreen buttons on it it's it's a
flip phone even the article that he links or his article i think actually
not even the article that he likes yeah no his his post is asking is this
regression or progression like are we going backwards are we going forwards
like it's not very clear on this one all right
okay so hold on so two three and a half 3.3 inch 320 by
480 touch displays which is actually not a bad pixel density nope and there so
there's one when it's closed which is kind of weird for a flip phone and then
there's one when it's open so you have access to the full keyboard
5 megapixel rear camera so it's not great but not terrible it's certainly
not 14 megapixel okay so it's not a high end phone but it's certainly much higher
end than other flip phones now i'm gonna be honest with you guys i can probably
type as quickly on a number pad like a
tactile number pad as i can on a touchscreen keyboard
predictive text got a lot better after the initial sort
of like okay well i press it three times for o
and yeah two times for l yeah i can't remember what it's called but there's
that one one predictive text algorithm that everyone started using right before
smartphones came out q9 t9 yeah t9 pretty good it's pretty darn good like
it's it's pretty fast yeah and um
i mean there's something to be said for tactile buttons particularly old people
my dad no interest in a smartphone no interest
and when his phone dies he's gonna have to buy something so what does he buy
so there you go the hennessy quad-core CPU you know wi-fi bluetooth
gps all that stuff that you'd expect and uh this is my my most interesting
question is the exact same question as the guy that posted on our forum is is
this really going forwards
like or did samsung just go
you know what though uh when we were over in taiwan what did you notice
everyone uses a flip everyone needs a flip on this very good point and maybe
it's a cost thing maybe it's not i mean maybe the positioning here is premium
flip is this baby's first smartphone so to speak right
right that actually kind of makes it look as a transitional device this might
be the smartest thing they've done this year because oh well um
mozilla is trying to do kind of the same thing very cheap but smartphone
and you know what maybe this is a response to that maybe
this is just them observing the market themselves it's not a terrible idea it's
just kind of weird it's very weird i like it i do too i've
changed my mind since we started talking about this it's uh i still don't know if
see a big part of the problem is that word north america yes i think it'll do
a lot better kind of everywhere else yeah i mean
here the expectation is for you know a couple hundred bucks
so i can save up you know my month of you know spared money this month and i
can get a phone on contract that's top of the freaking line not even sometimes
sometimes you get top line phones for zero dollars like whereas you look at
other markets like uh south america is a great example where they'll look at
something like you know an iphone 5 and just be like oh my gosh do you have any
idea how much that but not only do they make less money but because of the import taxes and all
of the tariffs that exist down there you're paying well over a thousand
dollars up front there's a contract and then there's blah
blah blah blah and you have to pay so much more because you're paying for the extra features so the used phone market
there is huge yeah um and then something like this could be uh could be
potentially a big deal there yeah it's interesting
um something to jump into which isn't necessarily directly related at all but
i did want to talk about is gee squad stealing naked photos again and leaking
them online again all right did we get to see the naked
photos here i kind of hope not yeah me too
are they of geek squad technicians no because then i
geek squad should do a calendar a sexy
calendar that would actually probably do pretty well that would be a great pr
stunt that's really not a bad idea
lioness media group should do a sexy challenge
it would just be all you
just a motherboard yeah
wearing nothing but an oculus rift
oh no oh of all the terrible things that i could
have come up with right now so let's go uh let's go back to that actually okay
so they they allegedly let's just throw
that out there allegedly although they have been hit with this before yeah allegedly
we're not we're not saying anything is for sure yeah so
this lady had her nude photos posted online
and she had never posted them online okay so she
says these photos were art not selfies she snapped to send to a lover she never
posted them on any social media explained her attorney claiming that his
client kept them only for reference or professional use for art
hmm the art thing is kind of weird i don't really care about that at all you stole
someone's digital properly which was not good well that's just what they're
saying is the evidence that it was in fact a best buy employee
that took the photos as opposed to her just
you know leaking them on right
okay 4chan is because it's art yes
because it was art which is exactly why she kept them for herself and never
actually posted them anywhere because one of the obvious sort of rebuttals
might be well if you had all these naked pictures of yourself on your computer
how can we prove how can you prove that you never sent them to anyone right so
that's the argument here so it may or may not be true but
um they they have had to settle these in
the past so
yeah i wanted to segue from this into funny
stories from back when i was in grade 10 and worked at key squad okay let's hear
it hit us with it though the worst of which
was okay i've got two really funny ones actually one lady had us repair her
laptop and then when she came to pick it up she came with this super jacked dude
and the dude was way more interested i haven't told you either of these stories
the dude was way more interested in whether or not the laptop's webcam was
working and mike was working than anything else and we were like
okay i guess we can try it like it was
riddled with viruses that's what i fixed i wasn't trying out their webcam so
so at the desk i'm like here try it so he loads up some weird looking
program and there's like a chat box on the side and i'm not really paying
attention and then me and my buddy are standing there with him and he's
slightly off to the side and we're standing in front of the laptop trying
to check if it works and then all of a sudden in the chat box i see oh my god
you work at best buy oh what is this what is this what is
this and then i read the chat box and it's like slursler slayerslayer.com
so we were on a like cam website me and
my buddy nice when i was in grade 10-ish
did you get paid another bad one was you were underage so
they guess oh i didn't even think about that
in trouble um i was fully wearing clothes but i don't know uh we had
converted from being in like a back hall to having a more open office style where
people could see through the window into all the computers right and so you plug
in computers and you work on them for a bit and then you have to go help people at the desk so people can see through
the window thing right
and people have a tendency to set their screen savers to their my pictures
folder
so so many times there would just be porn streaming in the background
and we wouldn't figure it out because there's often just one or two of us working we'd often just both be at the
desk oh sure maybe shaw's calling okay so i
think the the conclusion that we can draw here is that as much as um
best buy can have whatever policies they have in place
there's not really a whole lot they can do about deviant employees so
you know when people have unfettered access to other people's computers if
they're bad people they might snoop around on the hard drive and the other
thing that there's nothing that they can do about is sheer customer stupidity
and let's face it if you're bringing your computer to best buy to be fixed
you might not necessarily be the most technically apt kind of person in fact
the article that we link to in the live stream doc which will be available under
the video description pointed out
that um you know well they should have had these pictures in an encrypted
folder preferably on another drive a blah blah blah et cetera et cetera et
cetera but you know
even not you don't necessarily have to be a complete [ __ ] when it comes to
computers to not know how to do that stuff so there's there's a whole bunch
of factors that are going on here and i think it's a little bit more complicated
necessarily than you know one individual's lawsuit might
be so allegedly sort of accused blah
blah blah all of that stuff we don't know what happened here but there's
certainly potential for things to happen as slick was saying that are not
necessarily the fault of the employees
so just kind of throwing that out there so i would like to take this opportunity
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able to do our mid-roll integration for them so we saved it until this week but
what squarespace.com allows you to do if you're not familiar with it already is
to create a website to display your web store photography portfolio although if
you want to go ahead and accuse best buy of you know letting
your portfolio uh letting other customers have access
to your portfolio or whatever the case may be then i wouldn't recommend putting it on squarespace because the idea is
that it would be publicly visible or to you can create a personal blog so
basically it's kind of like geocities but updated for 2013. so the designs are
not ugly uh the designs have evolved in
general on the web quite a bit since then but squarespace has over 20
customizable profiles and templates that you can go ahead and tinker around with
to your heart's content so you sign up for a free trial which doesn't
require a credit card whatsoever and it actually gives you some suggestions
depending what you want to do so if you want to create an online store it'll say
okay well these ones are pretty optimal for that or if you wanted to create a
blog it'll say these ones are pretty optimal for that and there's a ton of
customization that you can do so you can change fonts you can change locations
you can add a bunch of navigation at the top they've got 24 7 tech supports and
our audience will probably also like that in addition to the drag and drop
interface that allows you to kind of go oh well okay i'm going to merchandise an
item just kind of drag and drop a picture in there at a price at a on sale
price and then it's pretty much ready to go you can actually use the advanced tab
or the developer mode tab to dink around with the css and html so it's not just
for non-techies it starts at eight dollars a month and includes scalable
hosting if traffic turns out to be much better than you expected and if you use
offer code Linus 8 you can save 10 on your first purchase with a new account
so thanks squarespace for your support of the WAN Show and we're really excited
to keep working with you guys because so far my mom's actually been trying to get
a website going on it and they've been pretty easy to use she's actually at the
cabin right now so she hasn't worked on it in the last uh i think five days but
i am outright refusing to help her and
i'm telling her that i want her to go through squarespace's tech support
because to me that is the ultimate acid test if they can handle her they can
handle pretty much anything because her question was because when you buy a year
they throw in a domain for free so her question was what is a domain so
that should give you some idea of my mom's sort of technical level when it
comes to the interwebs and all of those related things so speaking of the
interwebs hmm cisco the company that
powers a whole lot of the interwebs slashed 4 000 staff
in spite of turning oh boy
in spite of recording record results for the quarter so it really sort of raises
the question what is going on over there so they recently shed linksys for not
being being profitable enough not contributing enough to their bottom line
or um basically looking bad on their balance
sheet they have wow they slashed 4 000 jobs i mean
think about that you went to high school with probably anywhere from a couple
hundred to 500 people depending on the size of your high school so that's about
like them slashing the your entire graduating class times
probably anywhere from about eight to twenty
unbelievable so what do they have to say about this
in the past two years we have managed the business with discipline and focus
to execute on the portfolio investments and operational efficiency opportunities
that we see in fiscal year 2014 we are rebalancing our resources with a
workforce reduction which will impact five percent
of our global workforce now as someone who runs their own business these days i
can definitely sympathize with the seemingly uncontrollable cost that is
human resources something that a lot of people don't know is that
the amount that you get on your paycheck in your bank account so yes uncle sam or
you know mr harper or whoever it is that
represents your tax man in your country is definitely taking a cut but there's
also a lot of stuff that goes on behind the scenes so let's say theoretically i
had an employee at Linus media group that cost that's that's wage was ten
dollars an hour i'm paying anywhere from around 12 and a half to 13 and a half
dollars an hour and we don't even have medical plan yet remember this is canada
so when we don't have a medical plan that doesn't mean you're completely boned it just means that you don't have
extended medical like dental for example it's something we're working on but the
actual cost is is this double digit percentages higher
than the employee even knows about so i can definitely relate to that but on the
other hand i take a bit of a different philosophy i think and hopefully slick
can back me up on this where i feel like if Linus media group
is doing well and we're making money the people that got us there should be
getting a reward as opposed to getting their jobs cut or getting their salaries
cut i'm assuming you're talking about cisco yeah i'm talking about the cisco
thing i mean i'm going to be perfectly blunt with the viewers right now i
haven't given myself a raise since we started Linus media group however i have
done some raises and some bonuses
so there you go i mean that's not to say
that you know i'm gonna pay everyone you know 250 000 a year just for showing up
to work they're going to have to make sure that the stream is ready to go on time when i
come back from ncix if they want something like that to happen
i don't take full responsibility for that um
and definitely our isp issues today haven't helped but anyway the point is i
really don't like this at all
and maybe it's a good thing that belkin owns linksys now because i've got some
pretty good bros over at linksys that i don't want to lose their jobs so it's
like five percent of the company got dropped or something i don't know how much you've talked about it and with
that said if you've worked at a bigger company you probably know that one out
of every 20 people there at least is a complete idiot
so maybe that was the kind of layoffs maybe but but if you've worked at a big
company that's gone through layoffs you probably know that it's not always that
way that way and a lot of times it becomes friendships instead of actual
productivity friendships and seniority and
just goofy stuff that's not actually to do with competence i know really good
people who have gotten laid off when i had no complete morons at the same
company that for whatever reason still have their jobs
so um so we're not getting any help from
them right now oh after the stream oh
refuse okay do anything until i reset my modem okay yeah i guess that makes sense okay well
we don't have really have too much left anyway uh lots of rumors about the
upcoming whatever it is they're gonna call it let's just call it uh volcanic islands
so AMD's new graphics cards potentially that maybe
are coming and i can't find any link in the dock for it
up a little bit way down a little tiny bit there it is all right it's one of
those stupid ones where the header is on a different line than the uh
so potential pricing has potentially been
revealed so according to fudzilla this was posted by emma long on the Linus
tech tips forum the hd 9970 will cost
less than 600 they speculate that it will cost between
549 and 5.99 that's really really aggressive that
sounds about right for a high-end GPU launch yeah but it's aggressive compared
to what is on the other team compared to what's available now because NVIDIA just
refreshed they're not going to be launching maxwell
like tomorrow yeah so they're not necessarily going to have a response AMD
could have done what NVIDIA did because the rumored
performance of the potentially alleged 9970 is rumored to be around five
percent better than a titan so they could have come in at a thousand
dollars or even 899.99 and undercut titan but it looks like
what AMD wants to do is put pressure on NVIDIA to drop the price of titan
which is cool which is great i'd like a cheap titan because we're gonna see
never settle forever is now running so you have your choice of i think it's
eight games right now and they're pretty pretty high end titles if you buy a top
tier card you get three games if you buy a 7 800 series right now you get two
games and if you buy a 7770 or 7790 you
get one game and you get to pick whatever you want and get this i didn't
even know about this till today but if you don't like any of the games on never
settle forever right now or you already have them you can hold on to your ticket
until december 31st at least and hold out for
upcoming games for possible other games wow that's cool yeah so beast they are
really really putting the pressure on with the new drivers upcoming
potentially alleged gpus and upcoming potentially alleged game titles yeah
because uh yeah i mean i've seen i can't
comment on the upcoming game titles unfortunately because i have seen a deck
and i do know what it is hold on to your pants guys
hold on to yours i haven't seen this i'm excited so yeah that's uh that's
incredibly exciting have you talked about baby monitors no
wow guys secure your freaking wi-fi
do it now this was posted by uh ion basa on the
forum and this was an article from cnet.com and there's more on abc go
slick so some guy hacked into some other
guy's router accessed their network-enabled baby monitor and started
shouting through it they heard a voice calling his daughter an effing [ __ ] and
telling her to wake up you little thing
the hacker began shouting at his at her parents once they came into the room to
try and figure out what was going on uh called them called the man a stupid
[ __ ] and his wife a b word and in front of their two-year-old
daughter and they're not even sure this hadn't happened already at least once
so oh man like
if you know anyone that uses network-enabled baby monitors you're a
tech guy make sure that router's secure yeah we're we're charging you to be
personally responsible for protecting your friends and family and making sure
that this kind of because that is such a huge invasion of privacy it's ridiculous
that's that's just not only does he has access to the video but he's able to
talk to them like that's yeah that's not cool go secure
your wi-fi right now if you haven't done it moving into our next topic xbox one
claims it can do 4k gaming so this was
posted on the forum by the bloody toxic here we go
i i just i wonder like uh the amount of hardware it takes to
run 4k well on a computer like okay what frame rates is this running at
here's the quote there's no hardware restriction there at all so in theory
the xbox one could support 2k or perhaps even 4k gaming if there's content for it
at those resolutions the source is forbes and i think the uh the original
poster of this of this uh link on our forum has some pretty good points here
i have two main reasons why this is just stupid and why it's basically just a lie
this is uh quoting quoting the bloody toxic one
two dual titans in 4k barely are able to throw 60 FPS at a screen with medium
settings on modern games we're not even talking next gen games number two the
xbox one has one 1.4 HDMI output which
means 4k is going to be at 30 hertz
however i think the first one is probably the most valid because there
was no way you were going to be pushing more than 30 FPS
anyway no so yeah why i mean
they've had a pretty good run of good press going lately and the connect thing
i don't know we haven't talked about that yet so connect is no longer required to run
which is really good like good job and then you do this like what are you
saying you're just confusing people it's not true you're just confusing people
xbox one is not suitable for 4k gaming
mark my words 4k gaming is coming to pc
now 4k gaming is not coming to console for a very very long time well at least
10 years unless they have some crazy add-on pack or something
unless they have something well hold on a second because it wouldn't be the first time
that ever happened i know yeah sega genesis yep so it could happen but it's
going to have to be something that you slap on the console or it's going to be a revision 2 of the console or something
like that it's i mean how much do you miss cartridges
at this point star fox oh it's like a completely
different thing let's just put more supplemental hardware on the game
these are awesome i hate discs i never liked this floppies were cool
cartridges were cool discs suck this one's always
but you're too young to ever have actually had a situation where you had a report
that you had to print out at school only to discover that your floppy disk broke
or just was i actually did have to do that
but it was such a low grade that i don't think it mattered they were so
unreliable they were terrible but they were cool the first time i got a usb
thumb drive it was an eight meg drive and it was the best thing that ever
happened yeah that was one of my favorite technology
things that i ever owned i'm not saying they were good i'm saying they were cool
i liked the idea of floppy i don't know it's ah
speaking of discs um where's my topic
for this i don't remember where it is
some game that i wanted to buy payday 2. payday 2 does not have a physical copy
i think there might be like a physical crazy collector's edition or something
that's insanely expensive you know what who cares move on no
i disagree with you i think physical copies are the stupidest thing ever
they're dead oh but then you run into things like
what if steam drops support what if something drops support like old
school games i can still play red alert okay if red alert was a game running on
a service back then that wouldn't exist anymore okay back up your steam files
because valve's set out right that they'll find a way for
titles purchased through steam to be still playable if they ever go
completely insolvent or shut down the service back up all your steam files how many
can you actually ask that of everyone i don't think it's that unreasonable if
you can ask someone to buy a physical copy of a disk which is like
worth what 20 cents who cares then is it
that unreasonable to say okay okay okay here is it more work to burn a disk than
it is to go to a freaking store to buy a game but do you have right to burn that
disk to copy steam files to a disk do you
yeah sure you can backup steam files all day long they even have a built-in
backup feature yeah if you can back it up to a folder you can back it up to it
i still personally like physical having something physical and i still wish it
was a cartridge for console games i think that we should
probably all be able to agree that when it comes to movies video games and women
digital is just as good as physical
of course you had to drop that i don't think so i still disagree i still like
having something physical okay i'll give you movies
not women
dude if i could give you women that would be
a whole other business media group is running
we have to put the significant others thing on there it might not necessarily
apply to everyone um animated pngs ah yes animated pngs so
the gif or it's pronounced jeff
the days may be numbered for that guy right there here it is there's a
kickstarter let us animate png so this was posted by
ghost on the forum ghost you're awesome by the way you were kind of annoying in
the early days of the forum but we both really like you now
you're awesome dude kind of annoying because he told every told us everything
was broken well yeah when it was right
i think he even stopped coming to the forum at some point he came back when we
fixed it i'm glad he came back because i like him um anyways so you can view a
demo of the difference between a gif why don't we play it you have to
have firefox oh that video sure yeah let's play video everything welcome to
the apingasm animated png tools and standardization project that sounds like
a total neckbeard is the animated png assembler and it is currently the only
tool that fully supports creating animated pngs apngs like anime goals
will have a java native version and a coffeescript and javascript native
version so it can be used in different places further goals include svg and smile
conversion and a full animation editor for svg and
smile for more information please see the project description
so that's pretty cool hey stop i'm sorry
i'm trying i'm trying to stop the thing i'm not having success here
i think that's awesome it is awesome i like everything about it i'm surprised
it got funded i and it got funded fast yeah so they
have beat their five thousand dollar goal in only eight days
which is outstanding that's awesome um in fact quite a few backers one backer
pledged 2 500 so there was a single backer that's like yup here we go so
what does he get ports of our base ap g libraries and tools for the language
platform of your choice you and your company will be fully accredited
cool so um
it it's better yeah it's time in like every way i'm stoked that's cool so
4chan can be in hd now
no just everything half the things that are posted on there are animated gifs as
far as i can tell so so now it can like look better
or we can even we can have even higher resolution disgusting animated stuff on
like the armpit of the internet
i just it looks a lot better it takes less data and like the most ridiculous
thing with gifs is how long they take to load
right now to say gif um because they just take forever to load
so i don't know everything is better about this my favorite thing is that it just takes less i'm excited about
transparency support that's cool that's really cool that's definitely cool i
mean that's something that would be uh that would be great for even things like
wancho if we could have like an animated thing that supports alpha channels
that's transparent so we could have like moving junk um i mean we're gonna go
back to like xsplit's gonna have to you know
step things up a little bit too but we're gonna have to go back to like 90s
level internet web pages
2002 a little bit past 90s speaking of going back in time check
this out so the upcoming oh oh wow the page has been pulled down okay well at
any rate um the upcoming ivy bridge e
4670k has been delidded by one of the
overclockers over on coolaller.com and
basically they've discovered that the ihs is
soldered down to the CPU core this does a couple of things number one is it
makes it um harder to remove yeah he destroyed his chip doing that yep number
two is it de-incentivizes people to remove the bloody thing because you're
going to get better thermal performance by having the dye soldered to the top of
the integrated heat spreader versus having a thermal compound in there
it also means that there won't be as much inconsistency because having a
solid metal layer means no air pockets can get stuck and the ihs won't be as
prone to being sort of not not attached in one
spot or whatever else the case may be so that's great
i guess what Intel's saying is when it comes to our server grade products we do
actually know that solder is better
okay so they do know deep down they do know i'm happy to see this kind of sad
for the dude that lost his chip right away yeah he probably has a half a dozen
of them like those those extreme overclocker guys they get like a tray of
cpus pre-launch and do a bunch of benching and all that kind of stuff
yeah yeah i'm not too worried about him yeah that's awesome stoked to see that
all right well bitfenix prodigy yeah yeah this is
exciting so one of the things that was noticed by the reviewers and enthusiast
community at large this was posed by sueli
or however you pronounce that located in belgium so that's jackie yeah
oh i love that guy he's awesome uh anyway
so there's a product guided tour apparently apparently bitfenix thinks
they can do them better than us instead of having us do their product
tours actually i just uh i just got off
an email thread with bitfenix yesterday where we were going back and forth
pretty good we are going to be getting samples of pretty much every upcoming
bitfenix thing so we will be bringing you guys more bitfenix videos so that's
a new development that i don't think slick knew about yet
but the the thing that people noticed about the prodigy was that it wasn't
that small it was about the size of matx cases but
took an itx motherboard in fact silverstone
went like full like you know
shots fired mode against uh bitfenix by basically saying well if you look at the
actual volume of the case um
we have like matx cases that are smaller than
this that like fit hardware pretty well too
so what they've done is they have completely rearranged the interior in
order to accommodate an matx board so they no longer have the flat mounting
idea that they had for the itx board it's again a vertically mounted
motherboard okay i'm gonna just like zoom in as far as i possibly can here
240p yeah yeah
all right okay so there you go you kind of see it now so here's where the motherboard is
it's an upside down motherboard arrangement drives go i think here
and then uh it supports liquid cooling in the back
with a yeah one radiator yeah
so there's yeah there's less support like one cool
thing that we saw in the prodigy before was the insane water cooling builds yes
where people would fit all the radiators and there will be less of that there
will be less of that but it's more practical case yeah so
good work be it phoenix love it and i hope they keep around the original
prodigy i hope they just have two different products yes which i think they're doing yeah yeah okay that is
confirmed we talked to them about it at computex when i i covered their booth
yeah yeah i have seen this already the layout is actually pretty smart it
looks good cool looks good cool all right
unless you have anything else we ought to do we got to do the
videos of the week yes we've got some pretty epic ones that i know you've seen
at least one of all right he did finish on time which i was happy about
all right build logs of the week let's go ahead and download this mother on 3g
yeah i know right like my data bill just like whatever
the good news is i have lots of oh i'm downloading two instances of it right
now no stop cancel one
don't you hate that when you have two instances coming down and you cancel the one that's more complete yeah
it's like just fml moments or like when you commit
something to the printer queue and then because printers are apparently still
stuck in the 80s you can never have you ever successfully canceled a print job
never i've only ever been able to do it physically on the printer and it just
cancels everything that usually doesn't even work for me
it's the it i do somewhat okay with that there was
one time when i really had to cancel it like it was like 60 pages and what i had
to do was i unplugged the printer and then just replugged it in sometimes even
when you do that i'll just re-grab the job and keep going it was an old printer
so it didn't it wasn't that advanced okay cool all right so moving right along guys
here project cobalt by jordan mack this
one boom it's just awesome holy crap like i wish
we could show this in its hd glory where's 240p i'm sorry jordan mack oh
man okay all of these guys like we're going
to show pictures but check it on the freaking forum yeah um build log section
of the forum check the build vlogs of the week thread isn't this thing
beautiful i actually tweeted a picture of this mid-plate earlier this week
because i was just blown away he's gonna be doing a comprehensive guide on how to
make them and he's gonna be posting it in our guide section on the forum jordan
you win i'm probably gonna make one i don't even know what you win it's so
cool you win seven of them though it's just seven
things seven things so he's got hyper cop kuiper
yeah he invented a new medal
yes copper piping which he has painted
no place pleated sorry yes no paint plating
on the copper tubing and beautifully
sleeved cables mayhem uh blue fluid gorgeous pastel blue i
believe i'm not sure yeah drilled holes through this mid plate that looks like
you could damage it because it looks like a freaking pcb yeah
just oh look at these oh look at these tubing runs man the runs are super nice
and like without the mid plate on it looked a little bit weird with his runs
but then once the mid plates on it makes tons of sense and looks great yup and
slick this is the i actually gave slick a gtx
670 which he refuses to install on his computer because of the mini pcb boom if
it's good enough for him it's good enough for you
boom beautiful machine anyway guys go check
it out great sleeving which we've just kind of come to expect
this build i i wanted to show like how he does the under lighting for the there
we go so now you don't see the glare from the led strips this is with the
side panel on man that's beautiful so it looks it looks better but it's not as
comprehensive as the previous shot that's the only reason why all right moving on to our next build blog the 15
terabyte bit phoenix prodigy by jim stock 87 i thought you might like this
one especially man love it
so there's there's not even a ton to say with this one other than go look at on
the build logs because you probably can't see it ghetto mount SSD you win
for that because i'm all about the ghetto mounted ssds ghetto mounted SSD a
little fan that helps cool his raid card and then all the hard drives which is a
thing yeah those raid cards run freaking hot they should have better cooling on
them no because the way that they're spec'd is not for desktop installation
yeah they're spec'd for racks where there's expected to be like turbine
grade fans drawing air front to back cooling these things in fact right in
the documentation for the lsi card i believe that i have in my machine it
says it expects x number of cfm of
constant airflow you can get one of those gelad pci slot fan
yeah that wouldn't make my machine look ridiculous uh my solution was to put the
raid card down at the very bottom and then i have a basement radiator that it
gets some incidental airflow from and it doesn't overheat yeah here's another oh
man just a better shot i just wanted to show that it was actually in a prodigy
with the previous great choice of wd reds that is definitely the appropriate
drive for a machine like this
and neptune by jojo69
very inappropriate jojo disapprove of that number
oh my goodness at first i was like huh what what's
so kind of similar idea to one that we saw
previously but he he got his cable sleeved i believe these are extensions
and then he sewed them himself together if you see those lines sewn together so
fascinating the the threading doesn't look bad
and it keeps them in a very nice neat run right which i thought was very cool
that was a challenge that i had with my machine was like how do you make them
yeah stay together so he sewed them together which kind of makes sense and
that's and not to just bring attention to that it's a very beautiful build just
yep nice straight tubing runs always looks gorgeous a lot of criticism for my
overkill buyers guide Linus you should have used better angled fittings you
should have done straighter tubing runs you should have used clear tubing and a coolant et cetera et cetera et cetera
guys it was a build that we were literally going to tear apart as soon as
we were done building it so yes you're not wrong
you're not wrong but you're also not necessarily right because one of the
things that i personally don't do is
invest in very specialized pieces of hardware that i can't continue to reuse
because when i build a rig my graphics card might be in
there for well more so in the past i don't change it as much anymore but i
would look at everything as it needs to be modular my graphics card might be in
there for two more weeks who knows saying that you have a 590. i know so
it's less true these days but that's always the approach that i've taken to a
rig is how hard is it to work on this bloody thing
so that was why i would never use hard fittings between my slide cards i always
used tubing because i found it easier to disconnect and pull one card if there
was an issue same thing why i never used particularly angled fittings because i'd
be doing motherboard swaps every three to four weeks
so no i'm not buying full full cover
motherboard blocks not in my not in my dictionary that's
uh yes but that's not necessarily applicable to everyone no it's not yeah
it's just that's why i took that's my
personal philosophy and if you if you were doing a one run
of that build though i personally agree with them we should have done tightly
straighter runs but we're tearing it down like so so there's that and like
that's we we showed that was just a better shot of the computer but i wanted
to do a close-up shot this one you can see the threading a lot better no way is
that one of those old zellman hard drive coolers
wow you win the internets for that i don't
even think you can buy those anymore and it even matches the color scheme to
build perfectly yes i wanted to go back to that shot again
there we go gorgeous machine really really good and then carbon
yeah i was trying to i was like there's something i'm missing your carbon fiber
apps like everything that carbon fiber wrap absolutely beautiful
all right so i think that pretty much wraps it up for the lan show today guys
thank you very much for your patience we are going to be on the line with shaw
pretty much immediately after this and we are going to see if we can figure out
these issues for next week and uh i'm just going to call them right
now hopefully next week's stream is not in 240p but thank you for watching
anyway good night everyone thanks guys we'll we will do an after party once
everything's working yeah i think we're we're off for after party because the
stream has already run a full hour over time with us diagnosing technical
difficulties we get everything working next week i think we can we can confirm
it after party if we get everything working next week and if you guys follow me on twitter you'll have seen that i
now have a new workflow for taking the
um the video clips that we get out of xsplit which have our variable frame
rate and making sure that the video and audio don't desync so i should be able
to get the lan show uploaded sooner than normal and do you have any family
functions this weekend that would be great okay well that figures but uh if
you can you get it up tonight i can get it up anytime you want tonight
then