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Linus Tech Tips
·Linus Tech Tips
·2016-05-06
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live oh that's no that's fine because it'll share on Facebook from Twitter
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yeah so they haven't managed to break that yet hi welcome to the WAN Show
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where we're just we just carry on whatever internal We Wan away with our
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conversation yeah as long as there's no uh you know it's all about positivity
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though no whining whining
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whining oh my goodness there's music I don't know what sound is coming out of
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my lap oh right it's a thanks twitch all right so we've got a
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bunch of great topics for you today actually we have a handful of really
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great topics for you guys today cars
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were hacked well one car was hacked but it was done wirelessly which is the big
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concern Pro gamers are they using drugs
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yes yes a license to Kill drones also
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tashiba lied about an insane amount of money yeah like like this much money
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yeah actually a lot more than that actually yes well no depends on which
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movie oh yes intro time
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I fix it y b up
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glass best dance screen projectors out there thanks Batman yeah no problem
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Christian pale has Batman andor's Phantom glass which it cuz it's like
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Phantom right cuz he's like which is actually more of a Star Wars thing than
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a Batman thing cuz the that's really
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funny he has my wife in his phone with my last name she actually never changed
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her last name uh so I'm just going to you know what what I won't do is jump
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right into like our big topic for today which is that um hackers managed to gain
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a fair amount of control over a vehicle
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uh while it was being operated by by a person and I'm going to go ahead and
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jump into one of the slightly smaller ones so this one is from naked
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security.com I'm going to go that's my favorite website other than lips.com and
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L media.com and youtube.com/ techtips
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and ifixit.com and Phantom us what the heck not now um all right so
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this one is uh the headline here is
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right to destroy or right to kill drones
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at least that's our headline for it uh so here it is naked security uh dreams
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of Legally slapping drones out of the sky May Come true um which I guess Luke
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is going to take over because now there's a handful of people waiting for
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me outside the all right room I'll be right back this is easily the best
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coordinate coordinated least problematic W show we've ever had we've I I I don't
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think not having a phone call in the middle of it from uh one of the owners
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of the company would have been any better and I don't think that uh having
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lonus leave partway through Would Have Made It any better either I think this
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is literally the perfect state that it could have been in I just wanted to
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clarify that I'm getting another phone call this is fantastic the more phone
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calls that I get the better off the show is actually going to be I just wanted to
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point that out there anyways moving on to dreams of Legally slapping drones
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over the there I guess lonus has it on screen can I scroll down at all yes I'm
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going to put text there so that it's literally impossible to get anything
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from it is there any other screenshots no we're going to go back up to the
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Drone so I am not very up to date on this topic but
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I do know that a few times in a few
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different areas uh people haven't been able to put out fires due to drones
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being in the way helicopters have had to be grounded because the drones are
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getting too close to them and they're worried about the helicopter crashing
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and it's just generally kind of a terrible idea now speaking of terrible
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ideas one of the ways that they're planning to combat this is by uh they
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would disable the drones using jamming technology which would end up blocking
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Wi-Fi and GPS signals to drones making
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them ultimately crash the problem with this is that it would also block calls
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and messages to mobile devices meaning if they're going to do this in dangerous
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zones they would be blocking people from using their cell phones which is
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terrible that's actually a terrible terrible idea so to avoid having drones
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being in the area they're blocking the usage of cell phones so if you're in the
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dangerous area you won't be able to contact anyone that's outside of the
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dangerous area just seems like a really stupid
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idea they need a better way to take down the drones I I like those uh I liked that
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drone that deploys a net over other drones yes the hunter drone yeah the
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hunter drone that was absolutely I was kind of thinking like like mount something on the helicopter that has
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like a net an anti- drone gun or
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something you know what I kind of have to pee maybe I'll just come join the show and all right yeah uh another thing
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that I was thinking of is like if you have a really skilled helicopter pilot
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just try to get him to squat on top of the Drone all of a sudden so like come
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over hover above it also the blades on the helicopter must throw drones like
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crazy unless I guess you have a really really expensive one anyways I'm worried
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about the legal response that they're trying to imply here um because I'm
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scared of cell phone blocking not because I'm scared of the drones falling
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I don't give a crap about the drones at all um destroy them all you want I just
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I do worry a little bit bit about blocking emergency
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communication because you want to take down a drone I think there's got to be
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some better way to do that uh there's a quote from assembly man Gat in
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California he says just because you have access to an expensive toy that can fly
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in a dangerous area doesn't mean you should do
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it cool uh I'm sure a lot of the people flying these drones probably didn't
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realize the negative implications of flying it in the first place uh now they
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probably know that doesn't mean they're going to stop doing it I'm sure a lot of these people are trying to sell footage
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to the news so they'll do it for whatever reason they don't care if they
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can get money uh so putting in some form of Law and having a right to destroy the
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drones is great I just don't know if
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blocking all of the GPS and Wi-Fi
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communication is a good idea Nerf
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cannons send out another helicopter with your rescue helicopter that's just like
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dudes with like Nerf turrets and stuff yeah I don't think Nerf would really do
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it though yeah no probably not some of the like if if we were talking like
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drones then probably but if we're
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talking like the um uh the 3dr solo that
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we just that we just checked out that thing is pretty robust like I can
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imagine having to hit it with like you know a 5B projectile at least to really
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make an impact unless you manage to hit a propeller or something like it it's
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pretty robust so yeah I don't I don't have the
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solution it's just it's fairly clear that jamming signals is is not it but
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with that said if the intention is to
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jam signals you know kind of kind of uh EMP bomb style you know for 10 seconds
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or 20 seconds need to take the Drone out of the sky then I don't think that's
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what the plan is but I can't actually say cuz I I would I would assume that it
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wouldn't be used as a weapon I would assume that it would be used as a passive thing right where you just have
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jamming on well no because they're jamming GPS too and I'm sure a rescue
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helicopter is going to want its own GPS working it's not like there's GPS pixie
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dust that makes if you're jamming GPS then yeah I think it's mostly for
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fighting fires so if you can't find
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it time to just pack her up and go home
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but you're right um you're totally right
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I don't know all right so let's get into one of our other this is just I don't
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know this is just kind of funny if you don't oh yeah and if it was an EMP the
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helicopter would very possibly go down yeah no I don't mean EMP I just mean
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like turn on the jammer for 10 seconds turn it off yeah cuz Jammers are just
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exactly like you you can buy Jammers you shouldn't they're illegal yeah but
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you'll get in trouble if you do so yeah well you'll get in trouble if you use it
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I think in certain I think in can I looked into it uh in Canada I believe
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they are illegal to import illegal to own illegal to operate but I believe
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there are places where they're legal to import and own but not legal to operate
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like almost nowhere are they legal to operate they basically shouldn't exist
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but they're they're pretty easy to make yeah and there's ones that and they're
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inexpensive there's ones that are kind of like you could shut down everything
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within kind of a movie theater type radius sort of thing so if it's like or
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like on a bus that you're traveling on so it's like I like I was looking at it
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as more of like a prank thing like I was like I should get like a super low
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powerered one so if I'm sitting next to my sister or something this this is when
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I was younger right be like you know you
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know like the classic uh you know Extra TV remote behind your parents like that
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kind of thing but uh it's it's pretty serious business if you get caught using
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them so I really wouldn't Rec someone in the chat was saying that uh they should
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just combat whoa that looks Skitch um they should just combat the drones by
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having Deployable um maybe extendable
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fire PES on the helicopters they just whack them like a giant like fly water
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yeah or like H hold on a second what if
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they had a silly string Cannon like industrial no industrial
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grade Silly String so rope Yeah well yeah well
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that's boring when you say it like that less
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fun but yes essentially rope thank you
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so the net right so we're all the way back to
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the net um so toshiba's CEO has resigned
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over 1.2 billion dollar accounting
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Scandal oh my um over years it wasn't
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like all of a sudden in one deal they magically made a fake 1.2 billion can
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that ad not be blocked are you kidding me all right there we go sorry about
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that you guys um so eight board members
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including Vice chairman have resigned their posts as part of a major
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management reshuffle their current chairman was named interim president and
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this is one of oh oh this is this is funny so uh yearend dividends and
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postpone earnings have been cancelled so
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there there will be no dividends unfortunately on the fake money yeah
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toshiba's stock has dropped around 20% since early April when the accounting
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issues first came to light here's what I'm kind of curious about why did anyone
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actually believe that Toshiba was making money what what do they even
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do they sell some laptops not that many of them I do know that and they bought a
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company right but do they do they even
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still make TVs I don't know I have one of theirs and I
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like it there you go tashiba Canada 3D TV LED TV okay let's just okay let's
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let's go to toshiba's website I'm just curious what do they actually do I mean
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when's the last time you saw a tashiba tablet I remember back when the first
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round of like decent Android tablets were rolling out back in the Tegra 2
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days so you had like the um the Motorola
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Zoom you had the ASUS transformer like
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TF101 or whatever that thing was you had
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the uh the Samsung one that we actually still have deployed to this day the
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Galaxy Tab 10.1 and then tashiba had one
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that was just like awful uh tashiba I
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want to say
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thrive tashiba thrive tablet 10.1 8 gig yeah that was
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it it had that like massive bezel I was just going to say it's a huge bezel yeah
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and it was like super thick and just like generally kind of it thrives off of
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a little bit too much food yeah it was just kind of stupid compared to
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everything else so let's like look at all this stuff so here you know what we
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got to straw pull this we got to straw pull this have you bought anything from
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tashiba in the last year nice yeah
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no me neither so we have two nose
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Good Start okay oh wow there's a
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whoa yeah there is this is the new straw straw P's been updated we can make you
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guys do a capture before answering if we
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didn't want to get any responses to our straw PES Al how everyone is answering
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in the twitch chat guys we don't look at it except when we do y no no no no no no
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no no no no like yes that is how people do polls it's like if I wanted to
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conduct a national survey I would just I would just like have an open phone line
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that people just call in and say their answers and then I wouldn't write it down I would just sit there and I'd kind
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of go oh yeah it really seems like 22% um so laptops desktops tablets
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computer accessories like I got to I got to know I got to know what computer
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accessories oh I think I'm on the support site so this might not even all
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be current stuff all
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right t.ca sorry okay
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yeah we're sorry sorry tashiba
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accessories blowout they make UPS's
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apparently okay okay Office Products uh
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oh large like like large
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multifunctions Telecom stuff
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bags monitors portable store storage okay so
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like rebranding stuff a lot of this is going to be rebranding stuff okay they
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make industrial stuff like point of sale this and that and barcode printers UPS's
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surveillance systems medical MRI systems
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oh wow okay okay so xray involved in
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that kind of stuff uh digital signage so
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very very industrial industrial oriented
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but of course that relies on winning bids and uh whereas consumer can be more
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can be more run rate business so having a look at how the results are looking
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wow a mere 11% of you have bought
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anything from tashiba in the last year
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speaking of turnips by the way the vote for turnip shirt I think this is the
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last day oh my gosh I haven't ordered one
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yet okay I need to uh I need to get my
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order going here 3 hours 3 hours left so
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I'm going to have like an hour after w show an hour and a half after W show to
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deal with this all right um vote for payro yeah what's our
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next oh next topic okay doping in orts
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this is before we move forward check here was it touch screen what's
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this uh blah blah blah oh yeah yeah I just did that yep yep all good no what's
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this oh I see um so where are we going
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to what's going on what's going on
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doping in Esports dop in Esports all right did you uh copy that into the
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twitch chat I'm working on all right I'm going to bring up the I like closed the
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I closed the W show Doc I have no idea what's going on today so I guess there's
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two different sort of major questions here
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um number one is you
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know why are no I guess there's one
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major question here um who didn't know
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about this
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yeah why are we pretending that this is
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some kind of surprise oh my God we need to work with
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like drug agencies and stuff to drug test people for things that literally
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everyone's doing and we all knew was happening like the ESL guys I'm sure
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they knew of course they did I knew I don't even follow Esports and like I've
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been aware of this for literally years like little land tournaments that
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I used to go to people would do it there yeah like there it's not like there
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weren't guys with like Ridin at land
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tournaments and I'm not saying that no one is legitimately on Ridin believe it
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or not I've got a bit of a you know bombastic personality I think that's uh
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not not too hard to uh pick up on there at one point or another I might have
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been on Ridin with a prescription it did Mellow Me Out by the way but you know I
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lost some of my energy which I think is sort of how it works um improved my
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focus though that's for sure so I I I
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guess I just what is the controversy
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here the I guess the controversy like
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they've known enough to have it in their
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regulations that you're not allowed to use performance-enhancing drugs and
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they've also known enough to not build
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in any kinds of of penalties for using
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them because if they penalized players
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for using performance-enhancing drugs they know that they're just it's going
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to be like yeah Major League Baseball all over
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again because everyone's roiding so to speak even though they're not roiding
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because you don't actually need like a huge ARM to operate a you know what is
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it 63 grams for a final I I think Pasa biceps would uh would disagree well Bas
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okay I did specifically I specifically brought up the final Mouse for that
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reason you got a heavier Mouse you know you got a g502 you know you got a
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wireless mouse with some AA batteries in there then a you probably shouldn't be
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like professionally gaming on a wireless mouse but that's a whole other whole
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other conversation um the point is is
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that this is this is just kind of hilarious so this a former Cloud9 player
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Corey sefus freezen who said in an interview quote I don't even care we
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were all on Aderall
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and this uh this is this is this is
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great so the interviewer and interjects with everyone does Aderall on ES at esl1
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right to which he replies in the affirmative and then what an awkward
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moment that is because you know I got to
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give I got to give freezen credit
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here because this is totally not the way
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this story plays out usually we're talking years years or Decades of denial
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and lengthy legal processes to to to
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prove that you know someone was someone was doping instead we're taking the
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honest path here it's like and and this is this is Again part of the reason why
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I am confused as to why anyone thinks that this was a secret because it's not
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like in in an interview it would be unusual to handle the question this way
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but in casual conversation it's not a secret so um I guess I just I
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don't really know what else to say I mean what are what are they doing what what's the action plan here I don't I
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think there there's some plans to bring in certain drug agencies like let's see
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here we're taking the steps to level uh we're taking the steps to level with
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that's a weird sentence to level with traditional Sports and it's going to
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take a while before any Esports organization will administer regular drug tests we hope to speed this process
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up proactively by seeking advice from authorities and starting small
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full-blown drug tests at Esports events are far away but that doesn't mean we
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can't and shouldn't try to tackle the
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issue what is going on I'm just
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popular I'm just basically a cool
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guy yeah I know right got a badass over here um so I
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mean here's a h so we're yeah we want to
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blah BL basically they're going to work on it it's going to take a while it's been happening for literally forever and
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everyone knew it was happening and they only care because it was brought to the spotlight and a whole bunch of people
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were like wow I didn't know about this
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and then that's about it you know self Park did that great episode about uh the
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the whole Tiger Woods cheating thing um
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where basically like every male on the planet is involved in this gigantic
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conspiracy where they're pretending that
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you know men with money and
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power wouldn't they have to be like sex raised and like diseased in the head to
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leverage that to you know mate with as
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many partners as they can kind of thing like like the and I'm not I'm not saying
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that everyone with money and power is you know running around sleeping with
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tons of women or anything or any woman might you know I'm just I'm just saying
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it's one of those basal basal instincts is sewing the seed and so anyway it's
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this gigantic conspiracy that no one can understand why what could drive a man to
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do that and they just kill anyone who
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you know let lets the women on to that
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like it's it's a fairly it's a it's a fairly natural thing to you know try to
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create the the best Offspring by you know and lots of them and like all that
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kind of stuff it's just kind of a human nature thing this feels very very
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similar in the sense that it's like the
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least well-kept secret on the face of the Earth and yet we're pretending that
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oh my God this was happening wow no one takes steroids in
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football ever why would you do that I
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don't know you know what's funny the NHL
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manages to keep their uh manages to keep their face pretty clean on most of that
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stuff there is surprisingly little scandal in the NHL compared to a
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football and basketball yeah I wonder why that is I actually have no
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idea I legitimately don't know because you can May ice skates can't melt steel
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beams um because you can you can look at
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certain things about about a sport like
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barrier to entry um you know regions where a really high barrier of entry for
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for ice hockey but you could make this a very similar argument about something
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like football I don't think even as much not
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as much that's true but you know compared to something like basketball
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where literally anyone can go shoot hoops at the local basketball court
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because there are lots of them but even football
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um like hockey if if you play like floor hockey in the street your barrier of
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Entry is pretty low but it's also quite
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different from ice hockey playing football in the street with your buddies
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I would even argue is more similar to actual football right that's a that's a fairly
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good argument because because at least your like fundamental movement properties don't change yeah yeah
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whereas ice skating even the most similar thing we have to ice ska which I
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guess would be rollerblading is really not that close I was a very good
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rollerblader and a trash ice skater I could go really fast but I couldn't like
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stop or Happy Gilmore Happy Gilmore wait
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yes yeah that is Happy Gilmore oh my gosh I screwed up I thought I had the
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wrong movie reference for a second I was like that's like one of my all-time
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favorite movies how can I screw this up don't go watch pixels pixels what is it
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do not go watch pixels what's pixels it's an it's from Happy Gilmore
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Productions what is Happy Gilmore Productions happy Gil more uh wait what
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is it you mean Adam Sandler yeah but he has a production company does he really
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it's terrible all these things actually
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happen in Adam Sandler's pixels well
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this is a kataku article we have
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Productions as you've likely heard it's a bad movie almost pleasingly stupid Act
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One a young brener and young Cooper pedal to a new arcade called the
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electric dreams Factory we see cabinets Pac-Man brener enters himself into the
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1982 worldwide arcade Championship where he loses a tiebreaking Donkey Kong title
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bout to Eddie plant Dan Acro MC's the
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tournament and announces that footage of the games will be included on a probe
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that be is being sent into space well that's already completely
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incoherent there's amazing video reviews of this where people just tear it apart
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the president summons brener and Ledo to the Oval Office has been analyzing the
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alien attacks and has invented light guns that can destroy
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them okay sees a couple of light guns all
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right well did you see it no no okay I've just seen many a review that tears
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it apart and you brought up that dude so I thought I would just bring up to
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people to not go watch that movie not go watch pixels okay okay got it so um you
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know what I people are like spoiler alert and a whole bunch of people in the
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chat were like you can't spoil an Adam Sandler movie
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that's such a good answer Adam Sandler is silly Adam
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Sandler dicks around for an hour and 20 minutes Adam Sandler
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prevails basically yes yeah pretty much
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all righty then uh you know what I actually kind of want to straw pull the
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whole the whole Esports doping thing because you know what sometimes we get
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caught up in that everyone knows this but actually it's not that common
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knowledge uh Esports doping
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I didn't know uh I suspected but wasn't sure and
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then okay well yeah we suspected actually no cuz we saw it lands yeah I
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literally but if you've never been to a land then I guess you would suspect I
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have literally seen people who have literally told me that they literally
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did not have a legitimate prescription legitimately taking in this case not
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Aderall but it was Rin so um I've been
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uh at one pack that I was at in a Counter-Strike tournament that I was in
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there was people taking Aderall and rlin and stuff and me and my buddy weren't
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taking out our all in riddlin but we had like you know those balls Guana energy
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drinks right before our match I think we had like four and then there was these
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caffeine energy mint things we both ate an entire pack and I was sitting there
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like almost shaking that must have been really bad for it was because of reasons
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that I didn't know about yet which is why I was shaking right um but that we
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did really well we did like super well my performance
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was way higher than it normally was here is a great question uh that I that I
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think is that I think is actually a pretty important one because if Esports
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is going to pretend that we're going to tackle you know performance enhancing
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drugs uh do you think that you know
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chugging down energy drinks should be considered a per performance-enhancing
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drug like should you have a tolerable level of caffeine even
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interesting I don't know apparently lots of people didn't know about it that is
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that is super definitely a uh well this
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could be people that don't follow Esports mhm that's another question um
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but caffeine's a drug isn't Guana also a
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drug yeah blah blah I can't I can't remember I think it has an active
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ingredient or something something but but uh caffeine is should so should
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excess caffeine be a performance
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enhancing drug yes no that's a lot to
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test for yeah can you easily test for how much caffeine is in someone I
29:04
actually don't know and it would be completely unprecedented because I think
29:08
in in in most um like professional
29:13
athlete type scenarios you could make
29:17
the argument that caffeine wouldn't necessarily be a a performance enhancer
29:22
strictly speaking whereas in in a land event depending on you know how late it
29:26
is uh you know how long you've up and all that kind of stuff it could have a
29:31
huge a huge impact I actually like I don't even know like something like um L
29:36
man are they are they allowed to chug energy
29:40
drinks that's super interesting or are they expected to do it
29:45
naturally um blah blah blah blah blah blah blah you know what let us let us
29:52
know the greatest endurance race has its own brand of energy drink it is a
29:59
special drink for drivers and helps them stay focused contains caffeine ginsing
30:03
extract and vitamin B but it doesn't actually say whether they're allowed to
30:08
consume them or not I assume if they have an official one that they can but
30:12
but I don't know very very interesting thing is
30:16
Esports events uh organizers limit the drugs blah blah blah it will be super
30:21
stupid if you were on a cool drug that made you con a cold drug that made you
30:25
deced for being sick it's a uh blah blah blah
30:28
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah You Can't Ban caffeine so there you go
30:34
there's also like tolerance levels for caffeine is a huge thing too isn't it
30:39
and I mean a lot of people are bringing up that lots of Esports teams are
30:42
sponsored by energy drinks oh yeah I mean energy drinks and gaming they go
30:46
together like you know peas and carrots my friends orange and black orange and
30:52
black no I think orange replaced black so if energy drinks oh Orange Is the
30:58
drinks became Gamers and played games
31:01
see I was doing it because of the LT Colors oh I not because of Netflix shows
31:06
Okay so we've got 50% of you saying no
31:10
but actually a surprising 30% of you saying yes excess caffeine should be
31:15
considered a performance enhancing or nancing drun is apparently what I wrote
31:21
I could probably use in caffeine um and uh you can ban things
31:27
from events that aren't aren't Controlled Substances someone in the chat was like You Can't Ban caffeine
31:31
from the event it's not a controlled substance you totally oh yeah for sure
31:34
you can absolutely a sport you could ban the wrong type of shoes you can ban
31:38
alcohol well I guess that's technically a controlled substance but the point is
31:42
you can ban whatever you want ban people from wearing a specific type of t-shirt
31:46
I'm not yeah I I went and played badminton at a local like like a country
31:51
club like it was actually you have to have the right type of shoes You didn't mark up the floor um no no oh the story
31:56
is better than that okay so no no any Badminton Center won't let you in the
31:59
front door with black so shoes even if they're non-marking yeah no way clear
32:04
souls or get out yeah um cuz like those
32:07
mats are I think 10 grand M each so you
32:11
run around putting marks on them get it out um so I had never been
32:17
to one of those types of places like you have you ever to a country club yeah
32:21
like like that style of establishment for golfing once okay so I
32:27
didn't get to go inside right exactly I specifically stayed outside so I was
32:32
allowed inside we were kind of snuck in so it's
32:37
kind of a long story but I know someone who who knows someone who um who got
32:43
grandfathered into a membership here even though the sister club that they
32:47
were a member of that got them grandfathered in is much less expensive
32:51
this one is apparently like tens of thousands of dollars to buy your initial
32:54
membership plus your annual fee like
32:57
like balling things I would never do so
33:01
anyway I um I I came to play badminton
33:05
on there're like completely empty and like the floors were amazing like
33:11
there's the there's there's there's like gym floors which kind of suck because
33:16
the grip isn't great and the the impact can be is very heavy it's kind of harder
33:20
on your knees then there's the rubber floors which have like kind of a padding
33:24
those are the green ones that you've seen and that's actually what they play
33:27
on professionally and then there's really good gym floors so really good
33:32
gym floors actually have spring to them
33:36
uh some people don't know this but you can design a gym floor so that it
33:39
actually has like a suspension system
33:42
basically to it and that's where you get the the cushion that you would normally
33:46
get with like foam but you get the uh
33:50
you get the but you also get the like the smoothness and the the impact of a
33:54
wooden floor and if it's well finished it's it's gorgeous was great to play on
33:59
anyway we didn't realize until or or our
34:02
guest or our host who who allowed Us in didn't realize until we showed up that
34:07
he had forgotten to tell us that it's white clothes only oh my God so I was
34:11
actually in one of the and the funny thing about professional badminton is
34:15
you go and you look up the greatest badminton player of all time arguably
34:21
definitely in the world right now and every picture of the guy he's wearing
34:26
red and gold for the team China um it's
34:29
it's not a thing in professional badminton this is just a snoody here's
34:34
our house rules thing so I guess I don't really remember where I was going with
34:37
this the point is that you can have whatever rules you want with respect to
34:42
attire and substances and anything and
34:45
that's basically it I've got people bringing up Serena
34:50
Williams it's not even the right sport yeah I mean she does hold a racket
34:56
and didn't she get wrecked by some dude who's like ranked 200 or something yeah
35:00
but like come on I and I think that was the you're saying best in the world This
35:04
Is An Open Bracket the guys count okay yes yes you could you could
35:10
say that uh fun fact about Badminton is it's the only Olympic sport where men
35:16
and women compete on the same field at the same time against each other that's
35:21
cool yeah interesting hey yeah uh okay so why
35:25
don't we move on um
35:29
what do we got here let's do a let's do a rapid fire topic this is interesting
35:33
so iOS 8 is at 85% adoption Google is uh
35:39
relatively uh quiet about uh lollipop
35:43
over there so let's go ahead and post oh I posted the wrong one in the twitch
35:47
chat trash poop yeah lollipop you know I'm really
35:52
worried about the Droid Turbo because I got lollipop 5.1
35:58
like a week and a half ago okay so the odds that I'm going to
36:03
get Eminem or marsipan or marshmallow or
36:06
whatever it is they're calling it the odds that I'm going to get that ever I
36:10
consider to be fairly low and I don't
36:13
know I think it's some app that I'm using that got an update recently or
36:17
something but droid turbo I'm like barely making
36:21
it through a day right now on lollipop I
36:25
only used it for like one day so maybe it was a really you know heavy flow day
36:29
so to speak so I'm I'm at 5.0.2 and this thing like the only
36:35
reason why I like this phone is one cuz it's waterproof which is cool and two
36:38
because it just lasts forever right like I I very rarely charge my phone two
36:44
three times a week cups and it just survives the whole time yeah so I'm I'm
36:48
having trouble but anyway that's uh there's there's there's a lot of other
36:51
issues with lollipop I absolutely hate that's not a droid turbo no this I'm not
36:55
using droid turbo right now it's S6 active I hate the way that lollipop
36:59
piles up your like notifications as just little icons instead of just letting you
37:03
scroll through them who thought it was a good idea to make one touch wait for an
37:08
animation and then scroll through your notification idea it's like you're using
37:12
a desk who thought that was a good idea idea because it feels like you're moving
37:17
papers on a desk cuz I get a lot of notifications people are always giving
37:21
me crap in my phone reviews about like you've got so many like things in your
37:26
things I'm like you know what I never clear them because there's literally no
37:29
point it will fill up in like 20 minutes oh I just got 500 Instagram
37:34
notifications okay y but then you still need notifications on because it'll tell
37:38
you when certain people do something so
37:41
Apple has managed to get 85% of their
37:44
active users on iOS 8 133% are running
37:47
iOS 7 and a mere 2% are running an earlier version of iOS I mean part of
37:52
this is you could probably make the argument that Apple does an okay job of
37:56
planned obs lence through degraded performance like my iPhone 4 runs way
38:02
worse than it used to uh there's other reasons why it might run way worse
38:05
definitely the operating system but there's also definitely other reasons
38:08
and things have gotten more demanding we expect more from our mobile devices and
38:12
the app developers are happy to deliver that to us and we're just going to have
38:16
to upgrade our Hardware to keep up because quite frankly even an Android
38:19
device from you know five years ago or like how how old of a device do you have
38:23
to have to be stuck on iOS 6 that would be like four to five years ago
38:28
an Android device from that kind of era is going to be horrible like absolutely
38:32
horrible for everything so um Google it
38:36
looks like their numbers Android 5 is accounting for a mere
38:41
11.6% of devices with 5.1 just
38:46
0.8% with the vast majority so that's uh
38:50
39.2 plus 37.4 still running um Kit Kat
38:55
and jelly bean it's almost an even SPL spit there so it's almost 80% on Kit Kat
39:01
and jelly bean yeah not quite but almost so lollipop is a flop for whatever
39:06
reason and hopefully the next version of Android t- rash yeah I I don't know I
39:12
had a lot of people rubbing their Nexus phones in my face when I was uh running
39:16
the droid turbo on KitKat and I was just
39:20
like
39:23
K # long hair don't care is that a #uh I
39:28
don't know all right let's uh speaking of things that everyone should care
39:33
about let's move into what is really our big topic of the day oh God hackers have
39:38
managed to remotely kill a Jeep on the
39:41
highway original article here is from wired.com let's go ahead and pull that
39:46
up it's not a very picture heavy uh article here so there's not a whole lot
39:50
for me to visually show you guys but
39:53
here's the Jeep uh after its breaks were
39:56
remotely disabled sending it into a
40:00
ditch so we'll give you guys the whole skinny on this I'll make my way through
40:04
the very detailed uh summary that I think Nick has been quite hard at work
40:08
on and would be upset if I didn't somewhat make my way through it so
40:12
basically it was a showcase piece uh done by wired featuring hackers Charlie
40:16
Miller and Chris valis um it's a result
40:19
of some car hacking research that they've done over the last year it's a
40:24
zero day exploit that's targeting Jeep Cherokees that give the hacker wireless
40:29
control of the vehicle and it's not full control for example the hacker cannot
40:34
take control over steering unless the
40:37
vehicle is going backwards yeah so if
40:41
you're going forward the hacker cannot take over your steering uh but there's a
40:45
lot of other stuff they can do so they're able to send commands to the
40:48
2014 Jeep's dashboard functions steering
40:52
brakes and transmission through its Entertainment System uh in this this
40:57
case they were 10 m away from the vehicle but the exploit is not limited
41:01
by distance so they were able to mess with air conditioning radio windshield
41:06
wipers and then they cut the transmission they can also kill the engine entirely at low speeds abruptly
41:11
engage the brakes or completely disable
41:15
the brakes it can also track GPS coordinates measure the speed of the
41:19
vehicle and drop pins behind it on a map tracking where it is going so this isn't
41:24
the first time that wired has done a piece with these hackers about car hacking but it is the first time that
41:29
the hack could be carried out wirelessly
41:32
which is obviously a much greater concern than if
41:37
someone gains physical access to your
41:40
car and you know injects Mal still
41:44
that's still freaky because your car is going to be parked in public parking lots a lot that's still a super big
41:48
problem and honestly will continue to still be a super big problem because
41:52
we'll be a lot a lot easier than
41:55
wirelessly hacking a car so we still have to Super pay attention to that but
41:59
wirelessly hacking a car especially being able to mass do it like what if
42:03
someone turned off all the brakes on every Jeep all at once that would be
42:10
bad that' be terrible they claimed that they like oh well we like we didn't
42:15
think it was that big of a deal no one's going to do this right we just make cars
42:19
we don't have to worry about it which is pathetic and I'm sure someone internally
42:23
told them at some point in time and they were just like whatev um
42:28
and there's always oh God dear um this
42:33
is hilarious oh yeah that's coming uh but yeah so there's there's there's
42:38
problems with this because car companies are notorious after everyone watched
42:42
Fight Club for um having their their
42:46
their calculation where they try to decide whether or not it's worth
42:50
recalling something that's not really going to work anymore because with
42:55
something like that you can see it progressively happen over time like okay we had a few accidents here we had a few
42:59
accidents there all right we'll pull them all back so we don't have more with
43:02
this it's going to be like oh there's an exploit oh every Jeep is compromised
43:07
yeah and to be to be clear this is not
43:10
just one vehicle so it's uh This was
43:13
done through UK connect which is uh hold on let me just see I I want to I want to
43:18
get like the wording for all this right because it's kind of a serious topic uh
43:22
so that's the entertainment nav phone management and Wi-Fi hotspot aspect of
43:27
Chrysler and their sub brand vehicles
43:30
and it is estimated that there are as many as
43:34
471 th000 vehicles on the road with vulner vulnerable UK connect systems in
43:39
the US now now it's only been fully tested on a Jeep Cherokee but the
43:45
hackers believe that they could access any car with a UK connect head unit now
43:50
the big concern to me about this is not
43:54
that a car got hacked but it's that the
43:58
auto makers live in such a different
44:02
world than the high than the high technology companies that we generally
44:07
talk about whether it's your Googles or your apples or your microsofts where
44:12
they'll see something like this and with
44:16
exceptions treat it like a big deal and
44:19
and act on it quickly car companies are used to operating on a much longer
44:25
development cycle you know we're talking it could be a half a dozen years from
44:30
the first you know drawing on a napkin to a car with rubber tires on it that
44:36
drives on the road which probably looks like all the other ones which probably
44:39
looks like all the other ones so so we're we're talking like best case
44:44
scenario the vehicle that you're driving
44:47
today has incorporated ideas that are as
44:51
old as you know five six or even more
44:54
years ago is why um
44:57
like investigating Car Technology is sometimes really boring yeah because
45:01
it's like oh they have a 7in tablet
45:05
that's 480p yay okay and a super grainy camera
45:11
and you have to use a dial thing to do anything because it's not a touchcreen
45:14
yeah so but but that's just that's just something that we have to understand
45:18
though is that these guys work on a very very different cycle whereas security
45:23
guys you know if you go if you go talk to someone at you know um EET for
45:28
example or you go talk to someone at McAfee they're going to be like uh yeah
45:33
you need to be on that stuff like right away or it's a or it's a huge problem
45:36
and so Chrysler's statement really underlines that difference in Attitude
45:41
to me in a terrifying terrifying way the
45:45
way that the fact that they thought it was okay to address this this way so
45:49
they stated that they appreciate Miller and valek's work but under no
45:55
circumstances does FCA condone or believe it's appropriate to disclose
46:00
howto information that would potentially encourage or help enable hackers to gain
46:05
unauthorized and unlawful access to Vehicle Systems so they don't even
46:10
understand the concept of white hat at
46:14
all they think it's okay to release that
46:18
statement that they don't even understand why it's important for the
46:23
code to be out there and for people to understand the exploit for it to be
46:27
closed and they're like oh we didn't think they were going to release the code so we were just like ah I'm just
46:32
like okay they want someone found it someone else can and we'll find it if
46:36
they they just want to they just want to you know hide in their shell of that
46:42
people won't do it so we can just ignore
46:45
this and if we just don't talk about it then it will go away it is not going
46:51
away cars are getting more and more intelligent and more connected and as
46:57
cars get more and more computerized control over more and more of their
47:01
features we're talking self-driving cars and as little as what musk figures five
47:05
six years yeah I mean this becomes this becomes an
47:10
episode of Doctor Who extremely
47:14
quickly um I've never watched Doctor Who but I'm going to nod my head knowingly
47:18
yeah it's a great it's a great episode The the bad guys take over everyone's
47:21
cars and drive them into lakes and stuff oh that's not good basically this
47:24
happens um so let me just see if there's anything else that we can that we can
47:28
really that we can really add some chat said then they tagged me just wait till
47:32
Tesla gets hacked it has to happen eventually very probably anything that
47:36
can connect to something can be hacked like we said that's not the issue here
47:40
no the issue here is is their response their response is completely wrong and
47:46
just I love Tesla they're also not invulnerable yeah no one's perfect no
47:51
but instead of acknowledging that no one's perfect and you got to get your
47:54
act together and create an internal task force and publicly talk about the
47:59
internal task force that you're creating to address this and keep your an eye on
48:03
it for the future um I don't remember
48:06
how I started that sentence so it's hard for me to finish it coherently but the
48:10
point is that's the way to deal with it yeah not to just go well hey you know
48:15
you guys we don't condone you guys releasing this because now everyone's
48:18
going to know about it uh yeah including you so fix it that's how you do
48:24
this um uh
48:28
so yeah the the hackers had the the usual sort of response as like yeah hey
48:32
this would be pretty good for a hacker um and you know we that they think it's
48:38
they they believe that releasing the portion of the code is important since it allows their peers to prove their
48:42
work um and holds automakers accountable for their digital security I mean
48:46
remember guys there white hat is not
48:51
about finding an exploit and then releasing it to a bunch of you know Bad
48:57
Dudes before notifying the company who
49:01
the code belongs to I promise you they contacted that company first exactly
49:06
Tesla has a $10,000 Bounty for any hacks apparently just got told by our buddy
49:10
techbench TV um so they're actively
49:14
trying to get people to submit stuff like this so that they can fix it I
49:18
didn't even know that that's fantastic good job Tesla that's how you should
49:22
respond to these things you should try to welcome these guys with open arms and
49:26
be like yeah yes thank you for finding this here is some money here's some
49:29
money here's a big bag of money maybe try to work with us on fixing it maybe
49:34
not I don't know whatever thank you here's money goodbye there could be more
49:38
bags of money involved or potentially a job even that's honestly a way that a
49:42
lot of people get hired so this is really scary um US senator Mary uh one
49:47
of the leads on the new security legislation for the national highway
49:50
traffic safety administration and Federal Trade Commission uh sent a
49:53
letter to 20 automakers so again this this underlines sort of my point about
49:58
the automakers and how they approach technology asking them a series of
50:03
questions about security practices the answers to it showed quote unquote quote
50:07
excuse me a clear lack of appropriate security measures to protect drivers
50:12
against hackers who may be able to take control of a vehicle unquote only seven
50:16
of 16 respondents said they hired independent security firms to test their
50:20
vehicles digital security and only two said their vehicles had monitoring
50:25
systems that checked their car internal Network networks for malicious digital
50:30
commands so the takeaway here is not that Chrysler and Jeep um are dumb and
50:36
their cars are bad and super hackable that's not the point the point is this
50:40
is a huge attitude shift that needs to happen in the automotive industry and
50:45
right now is scary to the point where
50:50
like I'm not I'm not much of a fearmonger I tend to mostly live my life
50:56
without without the tin foil hat
50:59
but this could affect automated things are scary and this is why Elon and
51:06
um can't remember his name right now dude in the wheelchair super crazy smart
51:10
does research his time Sten Haw there we go Stephen Hawking Elon Musk and Stephen
51:14
Hawking have both been pushing really hard to research the potential downsides
51:20
and research stopping those potential downsides of AI and Automation in
51:24
general and that's a very smart thing that should be doing and we're
51:28
not it's like I don't know some people
51:32
I've said this a few times people gaw at me a little bit but it's it's kind of like we're making the nuke again right
51:38
with Automation and Ai and we're kind of
51:42
not really worrying about the downsides too much
51:46
again and yeah I hope we don't go that rout all right so I just dropped a straw
51:50
poll on you guys does this news affect
51:53
the way you'll shop for a tech heavy cars
51:57
because I'm going to be honest guys like it was actually it was actually Ed edel
52:03
who told me about this initially we were filming something out in the garage and
52:06
he's shopping for a car right now and so immediately like the first thing I asked
52:11
him is does this affect the way oh there's a Tesla outside not a Tesla oh
52:16
wait what what are you talking about isn't that a TLX I wouldn't know a TLX
52:20
from a hole in the wall I'm not a car guy I thought that was why you were I thought it was a Tesla no it's just that
52:24
car has never been here before and it's been here for the last little bit oh
52:32
okay can I help you I think that's his
52:35
who's Ed's oh did he buy one I don't know he
52:42
lied to me anyway it's been here consistently during work hours for the
52:45
last little bit oh okay well the point is I thought it might have been someone
52:48
else's I don't know yeah not a car guy at all can't believe I didn't even know
52:52
that they don't look that similar do I think it is whatever I don't care okay
52:55
the point is that Ed's Ed was shopping for a car at least and might still be so
53:01
what I said was okay well does this news affect you buying a car that is more
53:06
technology heavy and I also pitched in that you know I have a lightly used 2003
53:11
Honda Civic that's manual everything including everyone in the chat is like
53:15
it's a spy it's Logan it's Logan in
53:19
including a manual transmission and I've
53:22
got to say for the first time ever I felt like my mom
53:27
where she kind of has this she has kind of this innate distrust of social media
53:33
and posting information on the internet the stuff that my generation doesn't
53:37
really think about the same way that hers does about technology and I kind of
53:42
went yeah I feel pretty good that
53:46
there's no camera in my car and there's no and and like the brake pedals
53:51
connected to the brake pedal thing the
53:54
brake pedal thing connected to the disc thing the disc thing is connected to the
53:59
wheel thing and the car just stops like that no outside
54:03
interference I felt pretty good about that for the first time ever and one
54:07
thing that's a little sketched too uh is something that I don't think any of the
54:11
articles are talking about right now which is the proof of things happening
54:15
if someone cuts your brake line in real life your brake line's
54:20
cut okay pretty straightforward if someone cuts your brakes digitally and
54:24
then exits and there's no way to tell that they did that then all of a sudden
54:28
you're liable for mowing down oh look
54:32
there was a registered no press on the
54:35
break and there was a registered full press on the pedal and you ran over 100
54:39
people uh you're screwed yeah you're criminally liable in that case potenti
54:43
like registering a key press so this is
54:47
like some scary stuff we've actually got 57% of you and this is a techsavvy
54:52
audience I think 57% of you saying yes
54:56
this affects the way you'll shop for a tech heavy
54:59
car with 22% of you saying turnip and
55:02
only 20% of you saying No this won't affect the way you shop incredible hey
55:08
it would affect the way that I would shop I would I wouldn't go with ones
55:11
that were answering this way not saying necessarily I would go with the Tesla
55:15
because they're drastically way too expensive but I would not go with any company that was answering in that
55:20
matter um in related news Fiat issues a
55:23
software patch after hackers take over
55:26
that car so there you go um speaking of it not
55:32
being there's actually no there's no evidence that the particular model that
55:36
they were patching is is affected in any way but uh there you go I mean here's
55:41
another here's another thing where like again the car maker mentality is just is
55:47
decades behind um you know you see so
55:50
many things whether it's your phone or your computer or or you know your game
55:55
console or even your t you know TVs traditionally move a lot
55:58
slower than computers but even they're caught up uh over the a firmware updates
56:04
over the air patching you know cars don't even have that so if all of a
56:09
sudden you have to install you know security updates for your car every
56:12
month Tesla's do uh Tesla's do but no
56:16
one's even no one's even thought of this
56:20
they were they were so far behind in their thought process that they built
56:24
all this networking functionality in and literally didn't build in a way for
56:29
users to just patch it by pressing a button so
56:34
yeah um wow and then this is also
56:39
related so Fiat is a sub brand of Chrysler Chrysler to recall 1.4 million
56:43
Vehicles after the remote hijack bug was found it's a voluntary recall which is
56:48
related to the firmware thing that I was saying because the voluntary recall is
56:51
just a a flash such a
56:54
weird thing to call it it's like it's voluntary for one so a
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voluntary recall is just a little weird and then they're not even really
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recalling the car you're just supposed to come in and get it patched which
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means they recalled it you're just like you're going to give it back to you hey
57:10
you can come get a patch I don't know yeah so the they they figure yeah it's a
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software update it's not a voluntary recall so uh affected cars include Dodge
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Vipers RAM trucks Jeep Cherokees and Grand Cherokees Dodge Durango Chrysler
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200 300 uh Dodge Chargers Dodge Challengers and uh Chrysler owners can
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enter their Vin at a provided website to check if their vehicle is included in
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the recall yeah so someone in the chat uh
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nail puppy voluntary recall equals we are doing this because we were forced to
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yeah so I don't our legal department was like hey you should probably do this so
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we
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did that oh this is this is great so
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more more stupidity uh the company is
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unaware of any injuries related to software exploitation nor is it aware of
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any related complaints warranty claims or accidents independent of the mediate
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demonstration someone in twitch chat just reminded us we have to do sponsor
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Chrysler spokesperson oh thank you for that uh not clear uh oh oh oh oh this is
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stepcon it's like because you have a month to deal with these kinds of
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things you super don't by the way uh
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Chrysler's statement the software manipulation addressed by this recall
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required unique and extensive technical knowledge prolonged physical access to a
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subject vehicle and extended periods of time to write
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code as if that's a barrier at all it's
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like it's like they think that techsavvy coders
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aren't everywhere I that's really stupid
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H and so another it was kind of hard great so we didn't think we had to do
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anything about it great quote from The Verge um it's not clear If the message
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was about the importance of this was fully received as Chrysler insists it's
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only taking the step out of an abundance of
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caution I I couldn't even abundance of
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caution now I'm just getting mad I'm actually like like I'm getting upset
59:25
this is why but this is what I'm talking about this is why I wouldn't purchase from one of those companies if like like
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this is why I would definitely take this into consideration with purchasing a car
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I wouldn't necessarily avoid purchasing a high-tech car I would just purchase a
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high-tech car from someone who's probably going to give a crap about the
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car once I buy it from them it's like why why is the why is
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the ah like why did the American
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automotive industry just collapse because they've got their heads
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completely up their own butts Still
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Still this is the reaction to a
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potential to an opportunity for them to
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allocated this many millions of dollars
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to this bounty program and this and like
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a quick reaction not we'll discuss it in a month because this patch is an
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overabundance of caution
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so we want to move on to yet another massive topic for this week
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insane so uh this one original article
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here actually I I forget which article I read On It originally but um here's one
65:09
from the register this one is just kind of based on a quote from John McAfee the
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Ashley Madison hack May destabilize
65:17
Society so if you guys didn't hear about this earlier in the week there were uh
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37 million some odd people plus that had a pretty
65:31
stressful morning on Monday this week I wonder if
65:36
anyone was like paying really close attention to their spouse to see if they
65:40
were like hyper stressed out I I don't
65:43
know man um you know if I if I suspect
65:47
it already or something like that I
65:50
would be I would be following this whole thing pretty darn closely so for those
65:55
of you you who are not familiar with Ashley Madison it's a site that is all
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about well okay I'll start I guess I'll open with their tagline life's short
66:05
have an affair so the site is a dating
66:08
site for married people um and not for
66:12
married people with each other for married people with other more different
66:16
married people um to be fair there's
66:19
some people on the site that are in poly or open relationships but I think that's
66:23
not the majority of it so just wanted to make sure that people don't freak out in
66:27
twitch chat and go like well some relationships are okay with it yeah we
66:31
realized that I just think the majority of them are not so basically the hackers
66:36
submitted a um submitted a a demand list
66:40
that was pretty much look you need to shut down this site shut down uh I
66:45
forget what their other sites are called they're they're not as famous they're not as common but shut down your other
66:49
sites or we are going to release they had not only the user database of the
66:56
current active users but Ashley Madison
66:59
had a service for I think1 18 or $19 that supposedly wiped all of your
67:04
information from everywhere they still had it so the hack
67:11
oh my retrieved that information as well so so the the Hacker's demand is
67:16
actually looking like it could cost less for the Toronto based company than the
67:21
lawsuits that could result in I mean can you even imagine imagine the liability
67:26
that you're on the hook for if you arguably caused a divorce which could
67:32
arguably in the case of you know if people are millionaires or
67:35
multi-millionaires cost Millions upon millions of dollars um I can't find the
67:42
dollar count um other websites that they owned
67:46
were uh Cougar Life and established men
67:49
there's other websites as well but I don't yeah oh those were the ones that they demanded that they shut down so uh
67:55
the this is this is good I mean there's articles all over the place so to be clear I don't I haven't been following
68:00
it all week unfortunately I really wish I had and I really wish that I sort of
68:03
had had checked on it before uh before this again so the 37 million users are
68:08
are worldwide I think they operate in something like 40 countries apparently it's um if you combine all three of
68:14
those websites the ones that I just named it's 50 million people not 37 37
68:19
is just Ashley Madison so U but the other ones aren't quite as uh quite as
68:24
targeted towards uh well I guess established men
68:29
in a lot of cases probably would be although I don't think it's specifically
68:33
targeted at having an affair in the same case anyway the hackers didn't
68:36
immediately release all the information but what they're saying is that they
68:39
will they're going to keep pushing it out as the site stays online so of
68:45
course there's all kinds of so so people are getting outed already so this is an
68:49
outed Ashley Madison user talking to uh talking to the Toronto son so he may be
68:55
the unluckiest cheater of all time so
68:58
just two were outed on an infidelity Vlog uh blog after a hacker group
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calling itself oops hold on a second dang
69:06
nabit two people uh hold on hold on hold
69:09
on yeah well they they they didn't uh they didn't go full force right away so
69:14
they leaked two people um so yeah so they blah blah blah they threatened oh
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so and there's a lot of other stuff stored in the accounts as well and the scariest thing about this is that it's
69:23
validated by credit card number like your credit card numbers in there so you can't just be like uh someone else
69:27
signed up with my account oh my God no it's like it's like a huge deal and like
69:32
they they apparently have people like documentation of people's sexual
69:35
fantasies and stuff like that like this is a huge deal so uh so there's a couple
69:42
guys here in exclusive interview the Miss Saga man said he looked but never
69:47
cheated he says sometimes you're just curious looking for friends then it
69:51
doesn't necessarily appeal to you he said for friends uh he said he's been a
69:56
husband for 20 years he works in the city has a young child he was clearly
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shocked and looked panicked while talking about the impact the release of
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his name has had on his life oh yeah so he denied that he wrote
70:11
anything about liking to give and receive oral sex liking light kinky fun
70:16
erotic tickling and role playing he said
70:19
he joined the site in 2010 and stayed on for 2 to 3 years then used the website's
70:24
paid delete option to have his profile removed for $19 he says I haven't been
70:29
on the site in a long long time adding that he never expected something like a
70:35
security breach to occur especially after you pay for a paid
70:43
delete so there you go they a paid delete
70:48
option that literally just didn't do anything pretty much um and then and
70:52
then here's here's like here's a super here's a super super scary thing did you
70:56
know that Ashley Madison is actually the second largest dating site behind
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match.com so there's just just a horrifying number for people who believe
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in the sanctity of marriage and all of that yikes yikes he um so this is this
71:10
there there's some great quotes from um from John McAfee you know former
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security wear maker you might have heard his name once in a while he hasn't been
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a part of M for really long time so uh
71:23
this is this is a great quote he says this hack threatens to destabilize
71:28
Society oh yeah and I hacked it again myself it was easy peasy so since Ashley
71:34
Madison said that they have you know they're addressing it he has apparently
71:38
been back in but you know I don't know I don't know if that's necessarily true
71:44
um so he said figures it was definitely
71:47
the work of an individual acting alone
71:50
because whether whether he's saying because of the the motive behind
71:54
something like this or whether he's saying because of the ease because he
71:57
said he was able to breach the site again
72:01
himself uh he also said that
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uh oh it was one of the sorry excuse me
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so so the pronouncement follows his earlier judgment that uh May's Adult
72:15
FriendFinder hack was one of the scariest hacks since the existence of
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computers um wow this is just these are
72:23
because there's so much personal information ones and person information
72:27
that like people really don't want people KN I think people aren't scared
72:31
enough about money because a lot of times if like your credit card gets
72:35
hacked or something you can get reimbursed this isn't a situation where
72:38
you can be reimbursed if this is released you don't just change your
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credit card number everything intimate about you is
72:45
now known
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publicly so yeah I I don't I don't know man
72:57
like if they release the whole list
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like I mean it's one of those things am I evil for kind of wanting it to happen
73:06
yeah I think so because hold on hold on a second it would be so much fun to
73:10
watch the world burn for a little while I saw a lot well is it okay hold on cuz
73:15
I saw a lot of fun I saw a lot of people
73:19
say well they deserve it filthy cheaters not necessarily saying they deserve it
73:24
they might and and and and you know what
73:28
I just didn't say either way you could say karma is a [ __ ] you could say that
73:33
but the reality of it is this
73:37
impacts potentially an additional 37
73:41
million people who might be living perfectly happy lives and is ignorance
73:48
Bliss I don't know maybe and I disagree
73:52
I would say hold on hold on hold on I I'll let you I'm sure you're going to
73:56
I'm sure you're going to have a lot to say about this and you know I would also
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make the argument that no no illegal
74:05
theft of someone else's personal information is
74:11
justifiable yes so all that Karma as a
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[ __ ] stuff
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aside you shouldn't you cannot steal
74:22
other people's information it's not right to wrong
74:25
do not make her right in this case so
74:29
releasing the information would necessarily be the right thing to do because there's also a lot of problems
74:33
with like where it said that guy's information was released in 2010 I
74:36
wouldn't be surprised if they're not going to be too caring about join dates
74:40
on the databas that they release and people might just be looking for names
74:44
so maybe you're in a new relationship and this is an old thing or maybe you're
74:48
reformed maybe I know there's the credit card sign up thing but maybe your buddy
74:53
pranked you but then if he pranked you then like why
74:58
wasn't the prank revealed who pranks their buddy by
75:03
creating you know a well it might have been but then maybe
75:08
he didn't bother tell his wife cuz he's like oh that was just
75:11
dumb there's there's there's ways that you could come across one of these
75:14
Accounts at the same time kind of want to watch the world
75:18
burn don't necessarily know if it's a good idea just kind of would want to
75:22
watch the world burn a little bit um I don't know
75:26
man like I'm I I am so very thankful
75:32
that I have nothing to worry about here and I don't envy anyone who woke up
75:37
Monday morning who has an Ashley Madison
75:43
account that that is like can you can
75:46
you imagine the the the amount of sick
75:50
to your stomach cuz cuz the thing is is that
75:53
unless you're one of the couple un lucky people that they're that they're leaking
75:57
you know in and that they're trickling out there is still potential and I don't
76:01
think it's going to happen for Ashley Madison to just seize operations and for
76:05
the rest of the names to get buried down an internet hole somewhere um so to
76:11
speak they could also wait for them to cease operations and like move everyone
76:16
on and not have employees anymore and then just be like database dump let's do
76:20
this let's play a game okay really fun
76:25
have an Ashley Madison account you're married we're going to role play a
76:28
little bit here wow um all right what are your other fantasies
76:32
you some of them involves Smurfs oh
76:37
wow we have some blue body paint let's do this anyways so so let's let's talk
76:42
you hear about the Ashley Madison hack
76:45
Monday morning y uh and I'm gonna I'm GNA I'm going to give you a full
76:49
scenario okay you have been using
76:52
ashleymadison.com actively L to cheat on your wife I'm going to
76:57
give you two scenarios you've been using it actively
77:01
currently okay so you you like cheated
77:04
on her last week okay you've been using actually
77:08
ter tell me how you react on Monday
77:12
morning what's your damage
77:15
control uh I don't know if I want to give people good ideas or not knowing
77:19
what you know about hackers what's your damage control uh
77:27
it's not even it's not even knowing what you know about hackers because this has
77:30
nothing to do with that they have it they're done yeah but well but but a lot
77:34
of a lot of lay people wouldn't necessarily know that that means it's
77:37
basically game over that it will that it will end up somewhere and it will get
77:41
leaked somewhere it's just happening all over again yes
77:45
so they might not release it they might not there's still potential that it
77:49
actually won't get if it is one person let's say it's a scorned lover right
77:54
yeah it probably is I think that's what the maffy GU saying and it probably is
77:59
he's targeting those specific websites yes yeah the ones that are all about
78:04
being married already so what's your action plan uh I'm a terrible person I
78:10
just want to to put that out there for some um you have to try to act like you
78:15
did on every other day if you buy your wife flowers all of a sudden and start
78:18
freaking out she's going to read this article she be oh I wonder why he's being so nice blah blah blah blah blah
78:22
it's so wonderful flower showed up at work oh what's this news article I don't
78:28
know why this is my married woman voice but whatever you're married to a pretty
78:32
old woman yes apparently
78:35
um but yeah so I don't know either either you go the route of just
78:39
hidey-hole and just act like what do you do you don't get to H your bets here but
78:43
I don't cheat what's your action plan though I don't know say you did but I
78:47
have to assume I'm a completely different person if I if I assumed I was a completely different person so I was
78:51
already going the road of cheating this whole time there's no real point in
78:55
revealing yourself at that point cuz it's not going to be any better than
78:59
just having it leaped later on right so
79:02
I guess you just head your bets and keep going I go completely the opposite route
79:06
you just reveal immediately yeah yeah I I I come clean because I'm not going
79:11
yeah I don't know because if it comes from you even if there was external
79:17
pressure I think you have a better chance to salvage the situation right
79:24
but I gu guess this is where my mind changes a little bit cuz in my head if
79:27
that's going to happen from either person you should probably just end it
79:31
anyways what if it's not that simple what if I throw a kid into your
79:36
scenario sometimes life's not simple I don't want kids I know but I
79:41
you don't I'm putting myself in a very weird situation I'm like would never do
79:45
that not interested in doing that plus don't want
79:50
kids so I have to like change two very fundamental things that's fine that's
79:54
fine it's it's part of role playing you know you got to be you want to be a good
79:57
partner here okay role playing partner huh if you have kids I guess the
80:03
conversation should have to happen
80:09
um but then you also have to worry about
80:12
if that's going to completely fundamentally change your relationship with your partner and then creates a
80:17
toxic environment for the kid it might actually be easier for you and the kid
80:21
to split up I don't know as as a broken
80:26
home Survivor um I can say that both of them
80:32
have their own challenges
80:35
um and the the the the toxic
80:39
relationship between the parents can certainly continue just fine if they're
80:44
not living in no I would fully expect it to continue but if you don't have to be
80:48
in the house with them screaming and fighting every day yeah is that better
80:53
because you you might grow up up and learn normaly you might think that this
80:56
is how this is actually supposed to happen all that kind of stuff so we've
81:01
got 47% of you uh going with the eat
81:05
turnips action plan uh with 34% of you
81:09
playing it cool and hoping it goes away and a mere 19% of you going my route and
81:15
revealing it right away very interesting I mean this is this is all just sort of
81:21
the interesting thing that I think here is the credit card valid cuz I would
81:25
fully expect a ton of people to sign up
81:28
on this website with a fake name yep like everyone and if you didn't you're
81:33
dumb yep but that's the up the hacker if
81:38
someone control FS for that credit card
81:41
number wow
81:44
yep yikes I hope you changed your credit
81:48
card or you're I hope you're doing it now I don't know my life is easy I don't
81:52
even have the option to cheat on my wife you wouldn't have time yeah straight up
81:58
wouldn't have time there's the time there's the fact that she manages my
82:01
schedule down to the minute yeah there's that um she manages
82:06
all the finances and credit cards anyway so she'd see that payment coming out she
82:10
be like wait what is this from and and then Google it and then figure it out
82:14
it's not because of like of a suspicion
82:18
on her part because she straight up knows where I am like she wouldn't even
82:22
need a GPS tracker on my phone she knows exactly where I am any time of the day
82:27
because my life is just really busy I usually know where you are
82:32
yeah I'm a creature of habit it's like it's Friday night uh
82:39
he's at badminton straight up it's any other
82:42
time he's at work or at home that's it
82:45
um but uh but but like and it's not because she monitors the finances
82:49
because she suspects anything she's good at it because she monitors the finances
82:55
because I am terrible at managing my finances and she's really good to be
82:59
fair we have to we have to we can't just give you the terrible she's also very
83:03
good at yeah and like she manages the finances not just of us personally but
83:07
also lonus Media Group so if an unknown
83:11
charge shows up she's emailing me about it not because she thinks it's for you
83:15
know some adult dating site but because she just wants to know what it is so she
83:20
can reconcile the books so
83:25
so yeah oh my God that makes my life really easy would that be a fun Channel
83:29
super fun prank oh yes L's left his wallet on his
83:34
desk she doesn't watch W show we should
83:37
do it oh my God I'm so
83:44
down that would be hilarious that's so evil oh God we're
83:51
kind of terrible people oh like in every
83:54
possible way we'd have to capture the reaction though how do you do that I I
83:58
think we could do it I think we've got enough clever camera people that we
84:03
could count on them to uh yeah that could be pretty fun just as
84:09
long as you're the one that scrubs the footage scrubs the footage yeah oh yeah
84:14
like I go through through the reaction yeah well you know what no I I I I know
84:18
her pretty well like I think that you know I think that it would be oh gee I
84:23
don't know
84:27
yeah let's give it a definite maybe okay
84:31
I started to think about the downsides now all right yeah okay um wow we
84:36
actually had a lot of like pretty good topics this week partially done I think
84:42
we can do a lot of these yeah well it's 6 o'clock already and I've got some
84:46
stuff to do after work today so um okay then Apple stops beta testers from
84:50
reviewing apps that's a really good thing because if your beta testing a new
84:54
version of iOS you shouldn't be like leaving reviews on apps about how they
84:58
crash and are terrible yep um I'm super not against that
85:07
um oh there's some interesting you know what some of the stuff we might just
85:10
have to tackle next week cuz uh YouTube's apparently going to remove free videos If creators don't publish
85:15
them to the subscription based platform too uh so there's some actually really
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good stuff in here but I think we're done for today thank you guys for tuning
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in to the WAN Show I AP olizee if things got a little bit heavier and less
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light-hearted than they normally do with the whole Ashley Madison hack thing if
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you're if you're married and you have an Ashley Madison account sorry bro or
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broette good luck Buddy Guy what's the
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female version of
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bro it's not sis I don't know yeah I
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don't know must be broette I just say bro but
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is that is that me being a jerk I like
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if I'm I don't care if I'm talking to a man or a woman I'll just be like yeah no
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problem man like I it's not and guys
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yeah yeah I mean who's ever actually us
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I actually sound I feel like I sound sleazy when I say like
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ladies ladies like right like I I feel
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like I'm like trying to project or come on to them so I just say guys and then
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it seems fine ladies and you can't say women because that has the whole like
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right there's negative connotations to all of them yeah cuz like woman
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someone tell me how to navigate life please yeah really it would make my my
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life easier I need a GPS in my car for navigating
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life hack your life all right see you guys again next
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week same bat Time same bat Channel
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and
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mention it's was like