AMD VEGA.. IT'S NOT AMAZING YET - WAN Show June 30, 2017
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·Linus Tech Tips
·2018-05-06
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and okay we're actually live this time
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woo we got that going no problem no big deal not a thing yeah oh is a thing but
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it's a it's an okay thing so we've got a great show for you guys today I'm here
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Luke's here and uh John might be making
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an appearance really for one specific topic oh do we have another legal topic
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yeah oh I see you know those are actually some of the most interesting
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ones for me he'll go off on some where he's like
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I'll have some misconception or whatever and he'll go off he'll be like well
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actually it works this way or in this
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specific state or whatever it turns out that I got an education for a reason and
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you probably should have gone to school and you know oh no I disagree with that
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for your specific use case not for everybody really okay you know what's
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funny is I actually had lunch with a local content producer yeah um earlier
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this week like she she does like this
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kind of vertically integrated content production for uh business professionals
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okay that's like about stocks and like
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business tips and stuff like that and apparently their program actually airs
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uh among other things on one of Fox's things like a fox business thing okay
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and then also on like Air Canada flights like very old media yeah you know like
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relationships with you know know National Airlines and like Network TV
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and um anyway so she wanted to have lunch I had no idea what she wanted uh
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basically we did like a studio tour Taran was instructed by someone who
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works with her doing some stuff over at
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BCIT and the funny thing is Taran brought me into their studio so that I
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could see how like a proper company does things and maybe we should have edit
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Suites and maybe we should have this and maybe we should have that and it turned
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out that in much the same way as us they learned as they went and there were a
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lot of things they did better than us and there are a lot of things we do better than them so that was
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enlightening and fun did they do edit Suites uh they do have edit Suites that
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was what he wanted me to see what he didn't want me to see was all the other
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kind of janky stuff like the fact that they literally have footage archived on
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betas still whoa yeah but remember
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broadcast TV that was a thing but you'd think you'd move it a lot more recently
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where you would actually be submitting finished projects by mailing a beta mag
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t or not a beta Max sorry it's like they were two different standards yeah like
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the the the broadcast tape version and like the one that competed with VH
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anyway the point the point is they still have like a sh and this is after they
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cleaned up they have like a shelf of betas and I'm like You're great and uh I
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was telling them about the Vault and stuff and they're like yeah that would be pretty cool and Tan's like yeah yeah
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that's pretty useful maybe I don't have an editing Suite but I do have that
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anyway the point is um she asked me to have lunch with her and um she she
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didn't really tell me what it was about it turned out she wanted me to talk some
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sense into her son okay who had this idea in his head that he was going to he
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has two videos uploaded to YouTube and you know you probably get this all the
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time too right people being like how do I be a successful YouTuber especially on
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my not to plug it but especially on my stream yeah especially on your streams
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cuz like you have which is hilarious because my stream sucks and like nobody
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watches it and people ask me how to be a successful streamer and I'm like you think I know I'm glad you said that
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because I was going to crap on your stream a little bit yeah no it's ter I was going to be like yeah like and your
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stream's not even that big or anything
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and charity like but you have a lot more success streaming than like you know how
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it's like the first thousand subscribers on YouTube is the hardest right you've
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passed that first handful of twitch subscribers never took a further step
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and phoned it in the rest of the way but you clearly know enough to know
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a thing that people would ask you about it anyway so so usually when people ask
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that question it starts with yeah I just uploaded my first video or I just did my
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first stream what would you recommend and the guy's like yeah so I want to do
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like a um like a fitness clothing line
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and I want to do like a fitness lifestyle Vlog and uh and way way to
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compete against everyone yeah and it was
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funny because his mom's giving me
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additional details like yeah he wants me to pay for plane tickets so he can like
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travel interesting places for his lifestyle Vlog of course and so I was
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like yeah all right bro one I'm not
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going to side with your mom and and just
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say straight up stay in school could be a decent strategy because I didn't
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nothing don't worry about it really
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I mean if she's got plane tickets go all around the world okay all right I
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thought you were going somewhere else with that no no totally
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no anyway yeah I'm not siding with his
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mom directly cuz like the whole school thing didn't work out very well for me
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but I was also like on the other hand dude if you're going to succeed as a
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social media influencer you won't succeed unless you have a the passion
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and B the dve slor ethic to do it on the
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side yeah so if you don't have anything better to do then stay in school but
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don't lose track of that this should be your full-time side project yeah and
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that was sort of the advice that I gave and the guy like he looked like I you
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know punched him in the stomach well and I was bigger than I
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am my biggest thing oh my goodness thank you Nick um my biggest thing is like the
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the Nick as should be paying me for this yeah I've been drinking out of this
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bottle on W show for years yeah you can
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call out that person who uh you called out in the super fun yeah okay maybe
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I'll do that I don't think he controls any budget spending there so it won't do
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me any good but that's fine um hey Seuss
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pay us the money for product placement okay see you can never get money for
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product placement if you have product placement all over your stuff for free
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anyway people are everyone looks at it and they just go why so why would I pay
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for this you're do any ever done a success straight up product placement
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deal I don't think so we tried to do
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something with a smartwatch like with Pebble I think like a thousand years ago
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and then Pebble wouldn't even send us review samples and then they got bought
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yeah so that's about how successful we've been whatever yeah maybe they
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should have done that that marketing spot anyway um okay so my thing
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especially people are in his specific position where you're like he's uploaded
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two videos yes my whole thing is like I don't care and you shouldn't
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upload way more that's your big problem right now is you just need to do it a
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whole bunch because there's going to be things that you're missing doing it
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doing it learn from doing it yeah okay anyway like a you know all right let's
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roll the intro
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I don't know if the uh the L show announcement went up oh it did look at
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that LTX I'm actually getting a lot more
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confident that this is going to be a lot of fun yeah um the case toss was really
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fun we put uh we put actually we put Colton's wife in charge of the event
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yeah because previously we had Colton in
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charge um because they had such a wonderful and well organized wedding and
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then we found out that of course he had nothing to do with it so we hired his
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wife and she is doing a bang up job so
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far there is going to be a lot of fun stuff to do also fresh books yay woo
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fresh books and EK water
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blocks now hold on a second actually you know what I'll get into it in the
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sponsor spot but that is not as crazy as it sounds yeah that whole thing that I
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just put on the screen there
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uh okay so first uh first topic you know
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you know what let's jump right into the good stuff today the original article here is from
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PC perspective and it was posted on the Forum by E kin and our buddy Mr the one
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and only Ryan shastic got his hand on an AMD Vega
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Frontier Edition and how he did this I
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can tell you he bought it the same as we
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had to ours is in the mail okay AMD is
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not sampling Frontier Edition why might they not oh actually
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you know what's really funny is I didn't even read the article purchased directly
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from a reseller rather than being
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sampled from AMD um so why didn't they
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want to sample this to press well there are a number of uh potential
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explanations for that can you think of any uh well they've been moving this way
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for a while they okay that's true on the
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professional cards the fire fire class cards and actually kind of both sides
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have been moving this way a little bit inv Vidia has still been on their gaming
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cards have been pushing really hard but AMD for a little while now has been
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saying that they don't want to give out as many reviewer sample cards cuz they want to do more seeding into the
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community and NVIDIA did not sample the Titan xpp yeah we have a video coming
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featuring it soon but we borrowed it from somebody and they're trying to line
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this card up more against those that's true okay my now I'm going to contribute
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a potential reason uh potential reason number two yields are very low and they
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don't have a lot of them yeah okay so that might be another one you got
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another one um I doubt this is a thing MH but even
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maybe everyone is buying every single card everywhere for AMD right now
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because of mining okay okay so they like know that it will sell immediately so
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price so rather than giving away literally money in the bank which when
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you're AMD and like with their press right now
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they might not even need reviews of this thing because everyone talking about AMD
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stuff is super popular right now and very positive right now so it's going to
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be popular and positive anyways and then everyone's buying it anyways because of
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mining so they might not even need the marketing that they would get from
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sending it okay which brings us then to reason number four which I actually
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think might be the most likely Vega does
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not look like it is going to set the world on on fire and AMD and for that
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matter um I mean who hasn't done this
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but AMD has demonstrated in the past a a
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lower level of eagerness to seed
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products that they don't think are going
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to be as exciting in an attempt to if
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not limit independent coverage of them
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at least not spend money on getting
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independent coverage of them so let's
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give a a brief outline of what it is so the Vega Founders Edition is not
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explicitly aimed at Gamers Frontier Edition sorry I did that
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a lot on the announcement video like really you guys I actually might have
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another Walkin the park coming on AMD's naming schemes cuz I'm getting real Fed
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Up um so the Vega Frontier Edition like
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almost sort of copy everyone else yeah not explicitly aimed at Gamers uh like
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NVIDIA Titans we shouldn't expect the best performance per dollar okay uh
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gaming results though and this is this is kind of uh this kind of throws up
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some warning flags because with gaming results between a GTX 1070 and a
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1080 priced at $1,000 for the 300 watt
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version this tells us a couple things number one is that and that's the air
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cooled one and $1,500 for the 375 watt
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water cooled one that tells us we are pretty close to the the limit of what
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this chip is capable of and there there
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isn't a lot of magic sauce we did a video kind of covering this a little
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while ago it was a holy Shiite episode
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that we did um where we we like uh $6,000 graphics card we game on
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it the amount of R&D that goes into
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building a GPU is such that you should
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be very surprised if there is a specific product
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created for Quadro versus GeForce yeah
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it's the same product it's the same silicon and in much the same way AMD's
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Frontier Edition silicon will be the same silicon it give or take it might be
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set up and utilized or whatever in different ways and the memory paired
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with it might be different units here and the logic on board might be a little
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bit different a tweak here and there but the amount of money involved in
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building a GPU is incredible so if you
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are expecting then the gaming versions of Vega to come in and crush
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the GTX 10 1080 let alone the 1080 TI
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you are setting yourself up for a major
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disappointment and I'm sure that the AMD fans in twitch chat are freaking out
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right now I'm specifically not looking at it because I really don't care I'm
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laying down some reality here and that's the way it's going to be there is some
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driver optimization to be done and AMD has been notorious for this the 5870 is
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a perfect example of a product that
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managed to get faster enough through driver releases that when they rebadged
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it it ended up being it ended up not looking that bad when you looked at
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launch reviews of the rebadged one versus launch reviews of the original
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one but you can't expect more than it's
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not going to double in speed driver optimizations will give you a little bit
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but the Silicon is by and large not going to change yeah the clock speed is
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by and large not going to change because it's a 300 watt part at $9.99 AMD's
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closest thing to a competitor is probably going to be somewhere in the
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neighborhood of a GTX 1070 to 1080 in terms of performance
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so AMD may not have abandoned the high
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endend but it does look like cuz they're not even talking about like a high end
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Vega architecture product right now not at all they do seem to have abandoned
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whether by choice or whether by strategy the enthusiest The Very extreme highend
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I like using rise of the Tomb Raider as a standard Benchmark we use it in a lot
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of different scales really well CPU and GPU and and multi GPU even and the Vega
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Fe only managed to beat out the 1070 by
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about a 4 to 5% lead which is at that price like really
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not great so um it's not a gaming card no
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it's not and we don't know anything about what pricing of Vega gaming like
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what are they going to call it R9 Vega or something I don't I don't I don't remember what they're going to call it
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but um a lot of times you can
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get a rough idea of how it will perform in things that aren't gaming by using
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games yes they're not unre they're not completely unrelated yeah but with that
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said I believe uh is it fp16 something
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there's there's some more um more professional grade features that make it
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more comparable to quadros than a straight gaming card would that will
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perform much better and may make Vega Frontier Edition very interesting for
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workstation users because it will be similar in terms of performance to to a
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p5000 Quadro but at about half the price
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of that so at the very least if you if
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you were wondering about buying like this crazy tiered AMD card for gaming
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like maybe don't maybe that's what we know so far
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or at the very least like wait until the gaming version of it arrives and we can
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see kind of what we're what we're dealing with here even PC purse
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conclusion is like title marked conclusion do do dot for now or
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something like that so like yeah I don't think it's a huge
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deal um yeah I mean unless you were
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looking into this card at as a gamer's perspective but that's not what it is no
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and it's not how it's priced yeah I am shocked that they had the guts to do a
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water cooled card again like that looked
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like a desperation tactic last time the fury X was a commercial failure utter
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commercial failure and could you buy I
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don't think you could buy a furyx air cooled though right no so this is a
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versioning thing they have an aired
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one Fury X again yeah yeah yeah
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um yeah that's
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fair yeah we've got people in the chat I'm finally I'm finally looking at the
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chat I've decided to subject myself to that uh age core 123 is like AMD fans
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equal NVIDIA fans and then there's some Emoji I can't see cuz it's too small and
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yeah the recent War has I talked about this a little bit on the last show to
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the recent War has been kind of interesting cuz everything that people are fighting about are these like
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outside of the tears of what they're probably shopping for products it is
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funny thing so weird uh the percentage
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of people that are actually interested in buying a $1,000 graphics card cuz if
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AMD can get this priced right then you know it yeah it'll Stomp all over a 1060
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but if it consumes like 300 watts yeah I
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don't know we'll you know what how about this why don't we cross that bridge when
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we get to it in the me that's what we know for now also our Vega Frontier
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Edition is coming so we're going to run all of our own numbers and make our own
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video and you can probably save yourself the trouble of watching it by reading
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shrout's review but am I allowed to say that yeah I mean who's going to who's
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going to fire me
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but lus you're fired damn
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it crap I'll have to go to my other job
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yeah I'll have to go work work for Floatplane club like
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he yeah yeah would you hire me yeah yes
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yeah yeah I would you'd be pretty expensive but all right I feel like that
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investment would pay itself off so the original article for our next news story
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is overclock 3d. net AMD announces their
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new risen pro series of desktop CPUs and
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I I got to confess I was a little bit
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confused initially by the announcement
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of ryzen pro because I kind of went well
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what makes a processor Pro other than being a
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processor nothing I get nothing for processor sorry I'm replying to
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Something in the chat I hate you can you there I can I pretend that
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that laugh was for my joke the best part too is you made a joke and I didn't
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laugh because I was answering a question of someone going really Luke laughing
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again everything's funny I'm just like you know what I enjoy things and I find
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things funny maybe we do WAN Show at the
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end of the day on Friday so we can kind of loosen up a little bit like hang out
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for the first time this week because we almost never see each other this week
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was pretty good this week was pretty good there was a few times yeah yeah da
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zore HK yeah I just enjoy laughing at
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things yeah you know what laughter is the best medicine I even got un you need
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chemotherapy in which case chemotherapy is probably the best medicine might go
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do yes so laughter is the best medicine
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for if you're not actually sick if you're not actually sick okay anyway so
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I was sitting there going what makes something a
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processor and my got him jeez and my my initial answer
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to that was the obvious one ECC support
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okay yeah okay okay so you can use server memory that um has automatic
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error Corrections that are going going on the fly in case there's like you know
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a solar flare that flips a bit or whatever and you your your freaking you
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know freen ass ZFS array gets corrupted
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irreparably like that that's a prole feature but the funny thing about that
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is that ryzen has ECC support they didn't fuse
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it off the way that Intel does on all of their consumer chips even ones that cost
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,000 which I I think is unreasonable because they're worried about um they're
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worried about cannibalizing their ENT prise chips they're
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xeons um so what they do do though and
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this didn't occur to me initially is they offer Windows 10 Enterprise
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security support AES 128bit memory
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encryption and a longer warranty with
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that said a 36-month warranty is what they used to offer anyway but hey okay I
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mean sure it's also a processor so whether it's AMD or Intel they're both
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pretty good about their CPUs not just like randomly failing how many times
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have you had a processor die I had an opteron 165 die I deserved
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it was it your fault I had
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it how do I put this um yes I'm hold yes
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no I didn't like drop it on the floor but you like overvolted the tar off of
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it just can you just relax okay yeah okay so I had it chilled to minus 25°
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okay I'm not going to finish the story
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okay all right all right so so it was not really the processor so I had that
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coming I'm not I'm not yeah so zero so
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far do you have anymore um no I'm also
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at zero so like it's probably fine the
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pro series will come okay now to be clear I have had like test bench chips
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die was that the the old school Chiller
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yes oh that's pretty cool that's the chiller we haven't thrown it away I might resurrect it someday just for LS
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you should do that as a video it would be a great actually it would be a great video that would be really fun get Alex
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to help you with it and like modernize it a little bit get it in a cooler box
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than just Proto case to do something up for us nice I like this project that
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would actually be really sick and then we could use it like on our test benches and stuff that would be really sick we'd
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have to do up a new block for it because the block I used to use for it was a
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dangered end TDX and that was out of pure cheapness maybe you can follow up
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the like terrible heat sink guides with like a we professionally designed our
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own heat sink Terri Chiller
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guide I I would love personally I would love watching that that would be great
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um so I was actually using highly not recommended so with people are asking
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for the story but keep going with antifreeze um and water as coolant
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because once you're going down to no no sorry that's not what you use you use a
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windshield deicer so that's actually like an alcohol based coolant so I was
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using that at like sub 25
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actually a little more than that on the actual cools about sub35 I was using
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that in an acrylic block oh so you
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leaked onto it no no I didn't I didn't no that survived no no I'm just saying
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that that block still exists we still have it but it is so full of micro
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Cracks around the fittings that it is terrifying so I was using it out of
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cheapness because I just assumed it would have cracked at that point whatever block I used in this
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contraption had to have like industrial glue put on it so that could put all of
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my like neoprene insulation and crap all over it and um so it was basically a
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write off and that was at a time that so A well you're supposed to use an all
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metal block yeah preferably all the same metal yeah um so that the expansion and
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contraction isn't of different Metals yeah um so preferably you're supposed to
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do that but those back then I would have been buying like a water cool I think it
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was called the heat killer 3.0 or something like that or whatever it would have been at the time those were 150
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bucks all just silver not you could get silver ones but even the copper ones
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were like they were like 80 or 90 or something stupid like that so um so I
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was using like a crazy dumb thing anyway if we if we Ed the Partnerships that I
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now have with like protoc case to do like a really nice enclosure for it and
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like get EK to build us something like custom or something for it oh that would
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be sick that would be a sick project and something that we could like pull out
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with pride on the test bench when we want like yeah you know you know what
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cuz we have more resources now we have more writers
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us when it was just you and me we did some factory tours yes we did Omron we
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did Sennheiser we did uh I feel like
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there was another one I'm Miss uh yeah we did Cherry Cherry How Could You Forget Cherry like my yeah that was
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where we popped our factory tour Cherry yeah it was it was great I think I think
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I missed it because Sennheiser and Cherry were on the same trip they were
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um but now going through like maybe
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spending a couple days there mhm and like going through each station through
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like the design process of a water block
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go through like the guy that cads out the original files you know what we we
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tried to do EK oh we actually were
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thinking about doing it on the same trip as cherry and Sennheiser oh we couldn't
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get it worked out because the budget required for all the travel and because
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we do charge for those that is a sponsored type of project for us um they
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couldn't make that work at the time but now that they're going a little bit more
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mainstream and actually that might work we'll talk a little bit more about that
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when we do our ad spot for w show today that's ekk spot uh maybe we could make
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it work cuz I would love to see their would super cool their shop is sick yeah
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and like if you can actually see like what goes into designing and building a
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product and EK actually manufactures everything so they're not like all water
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cooling companies that are designing somewhere and then Outsourcing to China
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um EK actually owns their own manufacturing so it would be pretty cool
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to see that that would be pretty sick um okay what else what else do we got okay
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ryzen Pro um right we were talking about
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that okay ryen Pro offers yet another advantage over Intel's I3 series
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especially because those lack uh Intel V
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Pro so um basically AMD is putting more
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pressure on Intel and this time it's on the like professional and business
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feature side which is definitely something that I can appreciate because
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I mean you were talking about this the other day security and encryption is
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going to become one of those things where like we might be sitting in a golden age of Hardware right now where
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manufacturers are waking up to the need for encryption on their devices Apple
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has to a great extent yeah and governments haven't outlawed it yet yeah
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so think about this like 10 years from
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now getting your hands on a ryzen pro
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might be like a thing yeah for your like encrypted computer if you want encrypted
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memory yeah think about that for a minute like
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I'm not trying to go all tinfoil hat but it's no secret that governments around
28:13
the world articles in this W show that we haven't talked about yet that are
28:16
exactly in line with this yeah it's going to be uh it's going to be an
28:20
interesting time um AMD accidentally
28:25
reveals ryen 3 details w a is this like
28:28
a quote unquote accidentally or is this legitimately accidentally I can never
28:32
tell with those guys to be honest with you sometimes I suspect that it's quote
28:35
unquote accidentally other times I believe them that it's not accident I
28:39
don't know um anyway originally posted by Ryan Smith over at unon Tech well gee
28:45
if you were paying close attention to this morning's announcement of AMD's new ryzen Pro skes then you likely noticed
28:50
something interesting the non-x pro chips all have the same performance
28:54
specifications as their standard consumer counterparts specifically both
28:57
of the non X pro SKS with existing ryzen 5 and 7 counterparts have the same core
29:00
counts clock speeds and ttps as for the final two ryzen Pro 3 SKS well they
29:04
inadvertently showed their hand when it comes to the forthcoming ryzen
29:08
3 okay so I mean we are making some
29:12
assumptions here but it looks like uh
29:15
they've inadvertently revealed the ryzen 3 1300 and 1200 specs so the ryzen 3
29:21
looks like it'll be a quad core CPU without smt so that's four threads
29:27
rather than eight which in my opinion is what entrylevel
29:31
chips should have been at this point for a few years now uh that's give me one
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quick second sorry you're good everything's fine don't worry about it
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everything's okay is everything okay yeah it is does everything seem okay to you guys
29:47
tell you what why don't we talk about ryzen 3 later why don't I just do the
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everyone's been talking about it in the chat and I was just going to completely IGN also just
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you are also here
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oh yeah fine we'll acknowledge it so
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that'll be there but I'm not going to tell you any more about it oh other than
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that uh that might be a lonus tech tips logo
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there yeah that's all we'll say that's all we'll say about it so that'll be
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there um we're probably hopefully going to have okay I'm kind of Tiff my hand a
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little bit here but LTX is going to be freaking sick um we're going to have 15K
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gaming there the cas TOS k i I don't know uh
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it's on Floatplane right now yeah it's ch FL right now yeah it's it's not on
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channel super on YouTube but we did like a a case toss to so show what it might
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be like while you're at LTX there actually tons of fun yep um there's
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going to be other examples of Booth there's going to be other types of
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booths like guess how many CPUs are in a jar kind of like the old Jelly Bean
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thing rocket league in real life uh video editing tips from Taran we're
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literally going to take his Workstation and like transplant it over there and
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just let him keep working yep and he'll be like talking to people about what
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he's doing so it's July 29th from 11:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. and you can get your
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ticket through the Forum or at the link in the video description which I'm going
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think this is in my uh I don't think this is in my sponsor notes but
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especially the a240 and the a240g look
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the G does that mean it includes like graphics card it does it includes a 1060
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unlike other aios it includes actual fittings it includes tubing that you can
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change up for something else it includes vardar fans oh so very good fans and it
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includes um a like like a custom grade pump and then
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usek fluid gaming I'll drop that in the twitch chat as
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well okay all right yeah I know I I I
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got the notification from Tyler that he was clearing the fridge out in 15
35:20
minutes and I got it 21 minutes ago oh
35:23
and he was going to throw away your food which I like don't even normally store
35:27
food here cuz I just have like soil in which you don't throw out which I have
35:30
for like breakfast and stuff but there's I had a bunch of food here that my
35:34
girlfriend cooked and she's the least domestic person ever and doesn't cook
35:38
but she's very excited about this stuff right now so if it all got thrown out
35:42
that would have been a very bad um right
35:45
yeah that would have been bad bad scene so I solved that good everything's fine
35:49
so you solved that by fishing it out of the garbage can putting it back in the
35:52
container and not telling her I think I I think in in Tyler's
35:58
regular style he said 15 minutes and it's probably like half an hour okay so
36:02
it just wasn't done yet okay uh we've got people asking why I'm using an
36:06
iPhone to be clear what I mean by that is he gave people a grace period not
36:09
that he's delayed uh I'm using an iPhone because I actually don't really care
36:14
right now um between Android and iOS and
36:18
I had to give the shooters my S8 which I
36:22
was using as my daily driver um to do
36:25
comparative b-roll against the OnePlus 5
36:28
and then I I just haven't gotten around to putting my sim back in the S8 I do intend to go back to the S8 how do you
36:33
feel about the notifications they're both awful in different ways okay cuz
36:37
that was like one thing that I hated about iOS when I used it for a fairly
36:41
short period of time was the notifications yeah um the problem is that Samsung in the I think it was the
36:45
marshmallow update nou nou update so
36:49
Samsung um even when you set your privacy settings people in the
36:55
chat uh even when you set your privacy settings to show your notifications on
37:01
your lock screen before you log in they changed it so that Gmail
37:06
notifications don't show
37:09
anymore so I actually have to unlock the phone like I can see I have Gmail
37:14
notifications but I can't see what they are okay yeah well you should have your
37:18
phone encrypted so it doesn't show what they are
37:21
anyways no I think yeah no it's encrypted but you should you should make
37:25
it so that it doesn't show anyway yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah that was like in the security should should
37:29
should should should should but the point is I get too many notifications
37:33
for that to be perfectly Frank with you if certain emails come through you can
37:37
get super screwed yeah I guess that's possible
37:41
just show the subject subject line and like maybe the first few words but
37:44
there's not much there's some emails that can you can get screwed for I don't
37:48
get any like two Factor emails though like
37:51
that cuz I think that's the kind you're thinking of mostly yeah no yeah Okay no
37:56
Okay um so so yeah it it's really frustrating and uh yeah so anyway I just
38:01
haven't put my sim back in the S8 yet and I actually own two SmartWatches they
38:06
both sit on my bedside table on their Chargers and whichever phone I happen to
38:10
be using I just grab either an Android Wear or an Apple Watch wow
38:18
yep cuz I just don't care anymore at
38:23
this point I I am actually pretty psyched for the you know what here let's
38:27
blow through ryzen 3 oh that's the opposite of first world problems that's
38:30
just like first world excess sorry I have a matching phone for
38:35
I have a matching watch for my phone it's perfect all the time you know what
38:39
it's not that different from people who have watches for their outfits in fact
38:43
it's very different I only need two watches more practical that is not more
38:47
practical no your way oh oh I see I was
38:50
I was admitting a minor amount of defeat yeah um so anyway AMD accidentally
38:56
reveals Ryon 3 details it's quad core without smt it'll use the same dies
39:00
ryzen 5 and Ry 7 oh that's surprising actually luk don't get paid enough even
39:03
if I did I wouldn't do that four cores
39:06
distributed over two CCX but we saw that that wasn't a huge deal with the lower
39:10
end ryzen 5S same cash structure as ryzen 5400 blah blah blah blah blah blah
39:15
TDP will still this be the same 65 watt but as we know the TDP ratings for CPUs
39:20
like Intel rates all of their HDT chips
39:25
like 130 Watts y clearly the ones with
39:28
twice as many cores clearly consume more power yeah clearly so there's that just
39:34
like blanket statement whole areas um yeah I had wanted to chat about oh yeah
39:38
you know what well do you want to do this first or that why don't we do that
39:42
let's do that okay okay I realized what we're saying right now is very cryptic
39:46
but this is important if you are not
39:49
already on Floatplane this is the week well other than
39:53
like a scrap scrapyard Wars because unlike scrapyard Wars where we have one
39:58
piece of content that like half of our
40:02
community cannot wait to watch we have
40:06
four pieces of content right now that are behind the Early Access wall on
40:11
Floatplane that are freaking unreal but
40:15
they'll all be coming uh sometime in the next week so if you watched all of them
40:18
and I don't normally watch our videos even that
40:21
often well okay cuz I hear about everything that's going on and I'll like
40:26
talk to the writer that's working on it and know their conclusions and stuff wow
40:30
dick I'm just saying okay so LT video
40:35
exposing dead Mouse's Studio spoiler he's a huge geek this isn't even an LTT
40:41
video but do cell phones actually cause cancer it was an entertaining Tech to
40:45
make you probably know the answer I kind of hope but like it's it's a good thing
40:49
to send to people not everybody does or we wouldn't have made the video Fair um
40:53
LTT unboxing a quantum computer that was
40:57
very cool um that was awesome so was the
41:01
deadmouse one those were both really awesome LT the most important iPad video
41:05
in years which actually got Lost in Translation it's supposed to be the most important iPad in years but that's okay
41:10
we'll figure that out also there's a giraffe in the video which is why it
41:14
says gone wild see we're all about clickbait that's true yeah uh LT the
41:19
ultimate RGB build guide yes build
41:23
guides are back in a real way just to okay okay this one I'll
41:29
uh class distinction didn't know you could do that I'm sorry I didn't even
41:33
know you could do itst preview check out this intro this is very cool
41:38
yeah the best part is can you identify all the people I can tell who some of
41:42
them are except for when they're running by like I know yeah that was very
41:46
obvious yeah I can identify everyone except for
41:51
when they're all running by all at once anyway then it gets messy that's a great
41:54
video LTT can you plastic dip a whole PC
41:58
inside and out LTT unboxing Canada's
42:02
biggest supercomputer um yeah LTT can you plasty
42:07
dip a whole PC is actually really funny yeah so next week is going to be
42:12
ridiculous because many of these projects were things that we've been
42:16
working on for weeks and or months and
42:19
they just all kind of came together at the same time in fact if I was like in
42:24
charge of programming here I might not necessarily like I might have tried to
42:28
find other sort of I don't want to say crappier stuff
42:33
but yeah less expensive content to
42:37
produce to to like space things out a
42:40
little bit um but if you guys want to join the Floatplane Club um basically
42:47
the way to do it you got the link you post it in the chat do you yeah okay
42:50
good LTT Bots got that now's kind of the time to do it and uh yeah it's going to
42:56
be it's going to be a good time it's going to be a good time over on Floatplane right now if you want to binge
43:00
watch all that stuff you're going to be you're going to like it um okay so Apple moving on to news
43:08
this was posted by WM gr on the Forum and the original article is from n
43:13
Gadget it looks like
43:17
Vivo Vivo oh that's what happened there what
43:22
beats Apple to an underd display
43:25
fingerprint scanner but they say that uh the technology
43:30
still has a way to go I mean that's how it sometimes is where people are like
43:35
yeah apple never invented anything whereas a lot of the time Apple doesn't
43:39
invent it they just kind of come along and use it when when it's actually
43:43
mature enough yeah to be clear it's a it's a uh Qualcomm technology yeah um so
43:50
this is an ultra Sonic fingerprint solution offering integration beneath
43:55
OLED displays up to 1 2 mm thick like that's pretty thick a fair amount for an
44:00
OLED um as well as aluminum even that's
44:04
freaking cool that's pretty like if the whole phone imagine this if you could
44:08
have like if you could have like uh just to unlock your phone is like easy like
44:13
it's just one and then to access your encrypted folder you have to put like
44:18
all five fingers on it or you have to like can you imagine that would be
44:21
pretty cool so if you had like you could have like the the fingerprint down here
44:25
and then like all four fingers on the back have to engage yes that' be pretty
44:29
neat I would love that it have to be really accurate for that first gen
44:32
stuff's not going to have that but that's the kind of stuff I'd love to see
44:36
in the future um apparently it works even when the device is immersed in
44:40
water which is a huge problem with existing fingerprint sensors and it
44:45
tolerates to be fair not not because you're like swimming with your phone all the time but like if it's raining or
44:50
something like that if it's a little bit wet it can be really annoying or like if you sweat as much as I do I mean like
44:56
sports not not just in like I'm not I'm not sweaty right now I mean I touched
45:00
your shirt so I could be as sweaty as you
45:03
know yeah he's good he's scientific tests very scientific
45:09
test oh that that was really awkward I
45:13
have problems with fingerprint scanners though um because I have as you know
45:17
annoyingly sweaty hands you're not nearly as bad as when I met you yeah
45:21
when I met you it was like fullon hyperhydrosis
45:25
like it has gotten a little bit better um I would go out of my way to like not
45:32
touch him like when I shook hands at his interview I was just like can I hire
45:36
this guy I also used to like like if I went on a let's get personal here for a
45:39
second if I went on a date with someone I would like avoid that you would avoid
45:44
hand holding so you would just straight grab her by the I'd do like ARM over
45:50
or I don't go no I don't go Trump Style with that but I'd try to go like ARM
45:54
over shoulders or like like something I would even do the like joking ARM in ARM
45:59
we're being funny old school thing wow that's cringe dude well I would do it as
46:03
a joke to be clear but I would do that for like a couple seconds to try to show
46:07
like I'm not being standoffish but also I'm going to do this as a joke and then
46:11
stop because I don't want to hold your hand wow because I was like yeah it's
46:16
pretty gnarly it's it's it's mostly fine now okay um yeah how's it going so
46:23
anyway vivo's xplay 6 demonstrated the technology the demo started off with a
46:28
fingerprint registration process that requested blah blah blah etc etc then
46:32
the user would be able to unlock the phone by touching the spot where they did the setup process or somewhere else
46:40
um so fingerprint recognition speed in this implementation is slower than the
46:44
near instantaneous unlock we expect from normal fingerprint scanners about a
46:48
second between the first touch and entering the home screen but they said
46:52
the same Tech could be applied across the entire screen oh wait no hold on F
46:56
oh yeah so they touched a different area just above the old fingerprint button um
47:00
so instead they might eventually cover just the bottom half of the screen
47:03
rather than the whole screen um to save cost and yeah same Tex shown on the back
47:09
of the phone's body allowing it to be unlocked even when placed in water
47:12
pretty cool yeah I really like like I
47:16
very much like the fingerprint unlock on the back of the pixel I'm a huge fan of
47:21
that um are we going into this yeah I
47:25
don't know should we or is it just boring I want to talk about ethereum
47:29
mining this is a really quick one but this was uh posted on futurism and the
47:34
original post on the Forum was Ginger
47:38
137 and the headline kind of says it all there's not not a whole lot more to say
47:43
at this point ethereum could be using more than an entire country's worth of
47:47
electricity now of course we don't mean like China or the us or whatever um oh
47:53
hi guys but um I think the the country that
47:58
we were talking about was oh a small country Cyprus um so a
48:04
bit more than what consumed by the island of Cypress so 4.2 terawatt
48:11
hours wow that's pretty
48:16
insane so one major reason for this is the power hungry graphics cards that are
48:20
involved but this might not be the case for long ethereum has plans to move away
48:24
from its existing energy intensive
48:28
algorithms so there you go I wonder what that means for people's Hardware if it's
48:32
just an algorithm thing like will that rebalance what is better at it it means
48:37
a lot of cheap 580s on the uh on
48:41
eBay hopefully because honestly I was talking to someone the other day buying
48:45
a computer right now kind of sucks holy crap it's a great time to buy a CPU yeah
48:51
but okay but on the counterargument and people are going to hate me for this but
48:56
it's kind of rough to get into PC gaming
48:59
right now and I actually see a lot of people going like okay well the graphics
49:04
card that I want is going to cost more than the freaking console yep and like
49:09
it's hard to justify yep it's genuinely
49:12
a little bit hard to justify it's cuz the graphics cards are so expensive and
49:15
if I'm AMD I certainly want to sell graphics cards for as much as I can of
49:20
course why not or NVIDIA for that matter although NVIDIA has been a little less
49:24
popular on the whole ethereum mining side of things and like seen some stuff
49:27
where people are trying to snipe out stores because certain stores aren't
49:31
increasing their prices because they're just trying to go for MSRP and RAM too
49:34
there's a worldwide Dam shortage that's expected to last well into next year
49:38
it's great for companies like Corsair cuz it's hilarious like RAM makers like
49:43
Corsair and Kingston where they they buy modules and then sell them uh it's great
49:49
for them because as much as it's frustrating for them to not be able to
49:53
get as much allocation as they'd like to sell they're margin on a product like
49:58
that is kind of set cuz there's a lot of competitors out there and everybody's
50:02
kind of in that 7 to 12% range pretty much give or take but even though
50:07
they're selling less what they do sell
50:11
hits their um hits their revenue numbers a lot harder so they're doing more
50:16
revenue and making 10% let's say on a $
50:21
transaction versus making 10% on a $100
50:24
transaction having to do all the same fixed cost things so thep the processing
50:31
fee Transportation marketing uh
50:34
packaging yeah hey that's great for them
50:39
um speaking of the memory business rip
50:43
Lexar memory cards this was posted by shutter Boy on The Forum the original
50:48
article here is from petapixel but crucial I don't know if
50:53
you guys know this but uh Micron parent
50:56
company of crucial and Lexar um Micron just kind of went yeah
51:02
you know what um compared to the
51:06
lucrative business of selling flash to companies like Amazon and
51:11
Google um selling like SD cards is a
51:16
Fool's errand due to those low margins and low volumes all that packaging and
51:20
all that marketing involved in what this tiny transaction this is stupid so
51:25
they're just like forget it and they are shutting down their removable storage
51:30
retail business I hope they don't shut down crucial because their Facebook page
51:35
is hilarious other products that are being killed off include USB flash
51:39
drives memory card readers and storage drives which honestly I'm kind of not
51:43
stoked on because the only prograde card
51:46
readers that we could find are those Lexar ones that we're using our sco up a
51:51
few I'm not even kidding we we might even do that although I did run into
51:55
someone at PEX that's making something that looks really Pro and that has SSD
52:00
and red Meg versions as well they're like rack mount and you can and their
52:04
modular so I'll look into those they run off Thunderbolt too and our ingest
52:08
stations are Thunderbolt so we'll see yeah but if that doesn't pan out or if
52:12
that product sucks Lexar is all I kind of got um but
52:17
the decision was made as part of the company's ongoing efforts to focus on
52:20
its increasing opportunities in higher value markets and
52:24
channels so basically like Lexar
52:27
products suck it uh they are exploring opportunities
52:32
to sell all or part of the Lexar business but what that means is
52:36
basically that Lexar won't be Lexar yeah in much the same way that the sharp is
52:41
trying to get their brand back in North America because they're actually suing
52:45
over high sense I believe it's high sense I'm going to double check before I
52:49
like disar a brand um sharp high sense
52:55
lawsuit I think yeah yeah sharp saying
52:58
that high sense's shoddily manufactured
53:01
TVs are hurting their brand image what even though they were the ones who sold
53:05
the business unit to high sense they sold it can they do anything about that
53:09
I don't know but it explains you know how we go to CES and we're like what the
53:14
heck is high sense yeah why are they even here yeah now I finally get it
53:20
yes um what else what else we got for this week there's not a ton there 's
53:26
that weird Canada thing which might affect other people so I don't know we
53:30
might want to talk about that there's the tech PowerUp thing I'm wondering on
53:33
your opinion on that actually okay I'm sorry I really haven't looked into this
53:37
oh and there's um it's there's not a ton to look into it you can look into it
53:41
really quick so um should I start on it
53:44
sure having not read it uh was posted on the Forum by eyes can't see over 24 FPS
53:49
and that was the only way we were going to get me to say those words Al together
53:53
in that order very very funny you know that's going to get you gigantic troll
53:58
like really tightly clipped I know um and the original article here is from
54:02
delited tech.com which I've actually never heard of what's delited tech.com I
54:08
don't know wow this looks like a very
54:11
small site and I'm I'm not hating or
54:15
anything um but basically the
54:19
controversy is over a tech
54:22
PowerUp article that appeared to be an article anyway that was a comparison
54:27
between AMD's radon rx560 and NVIDIA's GTX 1050 but that was actually an AMD ad
54:34
the article reads like a review with no disclaimers within the article itself
54:38
that it comes from AMD or is sponsored by AMD the only ad markers on the page
54:43
were advertorial by AMD off to the side on the top right and the author being
54:48
named advertorial the article was posted
54:52
directly in the review section of the site our Forum members apparently
54:59
disagree as to whether or not AMD
55:02
crossed the line I don't know why it wasn't linked but here's the actual
55:07
thing if you want go okay so let's pull let's pull up the article here this does
55:12
look like an article so they're sponsored right there yeah advertorial
55:18
by AMD okay this might be uh looks like it's been updated a little bit this
55:22
might be
55:25
updated huh when I first saw this I I didn't check
55:29
for each individual location but when I first saw this I was not oh it says
55:33
sponsored right there content by MD okay okay it looks like a few things have
55:37
been added
55:44
huh interesting so did they run their own
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marks current in its current state what do you what do you think about the
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transparency okay so and it's current
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State the deled tech site doesn't seem to have
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huh oh I think there's a picture on there
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actually so yeah advertorial by AMD
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above the here let's go uh let's go over
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to deleted tech for a second here and show what it used to look like you just move to my oh no mine's screwed up yeah
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yours is screwed up right now sorry so you're going to want to this one yeah
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yeah okay so here's what it used to look
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like the uh the writer was advertorial
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it didn't say sponsored under the 560 logo say sponsored under the logo here
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and it said introduction as though it was an introduction to something yeah
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but it did say avoral by MD over on the right so it wasn't like impossible to
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figure out what it was but I think the word
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advertorial is um a little misleading
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because in my mind an advertorial okay
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so it's like edutainment right yeah it's inherently
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educational entertaining SS advert and tutorial and it's not a tutorial this
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isn't a tutorial at all here let's read it we'll read it together it's not like
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how to use AMD graphics cards advertorial by AMD last year AMD
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introduced the first Polaris generation of gpus with it AMD delivered many new
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features along with great performance in the latest games and greatly improved
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efficiency like that is not a
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tutorial um be it orts or AA titles best
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value for the money at around €100 consistently smooth animation in popular
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games at 1080 avoids performance pit Falls caused by running out of video
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memory due to 4 gig models being available okay none of that's a tutorial
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for only around €100 the radon rx560 outperforms the competition at this
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price point while showing the significant difference of upgrading from a previous generation is this their own
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benchmarks so that's honestly where
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that's that's the one that I don't like um radon chill hold on hold on radon
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chill saves power during games it does this in these kinds of titles there is
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no tutorial oh editorial not tutorial
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editorial is it
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interesting good call twitch chat okay I
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did not know that I always thought that an advertorial was an ad that was like
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how to use it I thought it was is what I
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think an advertorial should be by the
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way because I have no problem with that in fact that's something that I've been
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doing for years is like here's how to
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water cool your computer brought to you by some parts that you can use to do
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that but but all of these things I'm saying still apply to other stuff an
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advertorial the like proper definition is a newspaper or Magazine advertisement
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don't worry too much about that giving information about a product in the style
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of an editorial or objective journalistic article
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okay so that's actually fairly transparent okay all right fine I don't
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like yeah so there's a couple things here
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number one is I think they're going to need to change says testing done by AMD
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in the last paragraph yeah I think it should say that on the chart I think the
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testing shouldn't be done by AMD for one thing um so even when we do so we've
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actually done a um here the closest
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thing that we've done was uh the te okay
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guys the testing done by AMD should be on the chart here this is the closest
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thing we've done actually with AMD oh unskippable ads we have unskippable ads
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they enable after a while so they're on our um our back catalog oh do we even do
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that no it's something that our MCN does automatically oh yeah okay can you build
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a 4K gaming PC for under $1,000 oh for some reason we're not
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looking at the beginning of it so we say something something something something
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something AMD challenged us to do this
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blah blah blah hold on here we go is this the sponsored by AMD call out no I
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don't think so um but this was uh this
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was actually before some of those guidelines came into place and we uh let
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me see where else anyway I say it either two or three times in the video
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verbally um when we get to the benchmarks because AMD's argument to us
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to for doing this piece was that you can
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play popular Esports titles at 60 FPS on
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their affordable for at 4k on their
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affordable all AMD machine we ran these
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benchmarks ourselves and we told them we're not
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doing this video unless we can validate this ourselves yeah and that would have
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meant not taking the budget that happened
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letting AMD run their own
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benchmarks yes I think strictly speaking
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that does make it exactly as much of an
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advertorial then as just an opinion but
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an editorial again and maybe you can hear want to be my definition man for a
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second here editorial my understanding
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means opinion and facts graphs and
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charts are not not opinions a newspaper
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article written by or on behalf of an editor that gives an opinion on a
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topical issue so really that's where the line
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gets crossed for me because the disclosure is not quite good enough uh
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it should be in the title uh sponsored should be in the actual title
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of the article uh according to like FTC guidelines like that actually needs to
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get done um all of this stuff is quite a bit
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better Now adoral by AMD but in my
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opinion these graphs should have either
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been run by tech power up or they shouldn't be here and it should just be
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an opinion at the very least in my opinion it needs to be very clear on the
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graphs that these are graphs from the company and then personally that would
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just make me not care and I'd move on people are saying the graphs serve as
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evidence for the opinion of the author but that's exactly it then it isn't an
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editorial then it's not an opinion you can't say in my opinion this graphics
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card runs faster when you actually have fact I mean it's the whole blurry line
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between facts and opinion these days but
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once it's been quantitatively measured in a way that is reproducible
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and defensible and adheres to the
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scientific method once it's Quantified
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it isn't an opinion anymore and a graph
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inherently suggests that it has been
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Quantified people are saying but AMD is the author that's fine but it still
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isn't an editorial and therefore isn't an
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advertorial so yeah
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um huh okay I mean as long as it's
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disclosed it's sort of up to them and their relationship with their viewers uh
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for our part we do do sponsored content we've done sponsored content for years
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we say when it sponsored
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content I would love to say that we've never used anyone's numbers we've shown
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slides with a manufacturer's numbers generally speaking that would be before
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we get an opportunity to show our own numbers like at a launch event or when
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it's being first unveiled at CES for example yeah um but then it's usually
63:45
clearly stated that that's their numbers but it's clearly stated that it is someone else's numbers not quite but
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probably almost every time that I've done that I've been like but we'll have
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to see when we can get it back into the office for testing of our own I mean
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with over 3,000 videos uploaded I don't want to say we've never shown anybody
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else's numbers but generally speaking
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that's where we draw our line clear disclosure and running our own
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validation against the claims of the manufacturer yeah in this case I can't
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speak to their due diligence uh behind the scenes except to say that this graph
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doesn't look like it was produced by them it looks like it was produced by AMD for all I know they ran the
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numbers but I I don't don't have a way
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of that performance by AMD oh no that's right it does down at the very bottom
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yeah uh testing done by AMD performance Labs March 1st 2017 using a core
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i76700k oh boy
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um yeah so I'm not going to say look
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sponsored content shouldn't exist I'm just going to say it needs to be clearly
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disclosed and for me
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personally um
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I'm very careful about any claims that are
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made in our publication that I couldn't stand behind
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whether I was the one who ran the numbers or whether it was my idea or whether it was someone else's idea um
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even in sponsored content and it's up to tech power up to manage their
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relationship with their audience and their trust with their audience um in
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terms of how they want to proceed with this
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there yeah interesting one more topic um
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I'm kind of done okay yeah that's boring that's boring oh
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okay this is kind of cool pet yeah yeah coaxial gamer posted this on the for
65:36
original article from overclock 3d. net tashiba produces the world's first 4 bit
65:42
per cell so that's qlc nand flash memory
65:47
so the endurance on this stuff will suck
65:50
um like we're talking a handful of right Cycles
65:54
compared to what SLC would have been capable of if it still existed but um
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great for write once read many many
66:05
times kinds of applications because it
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will be really cheap so we're talking capacities of up to 96 gigabyt of
66:13
storage per die allowing Toshiba to
66:16
create a 1.5 terab SSD package with a 16
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die stacked architecture so they're going to demo it at the 2017 flash
66:23
Summit in August uh there's x299 boards
66:27
bad vrm cooling oh yeah that's a big sort of thing I think we did tease that
66:32
so uh yeah uh we should probably talk
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about it I've seen this guy's videos before I think you pronounced the
66:38
channel derau yep der I met him yeah yes
66:41
I've good videos actually but um der posted a video uh showing that the vrms
66:46
on an x299 board were reaching 100 degre
66:50
and the single 8 Pin connectors for the power supply can hit 60° when over
66:55
talking the 10 core models so here's derau good guy Pro overclocker um
67:01
actually makes the derau delting tool which he gave us one of nice which
67:06
pretty pretty sick yeah um and he has some serious concerns about x299 and how
67:13
much time the motherboard manufacturers had to work on their designs to make
67:17
sure that they were cooled correctly and not just that but um if you're
67:21
interested in that kind of stuff go watch his video he does good stuff but given that the motherboard manufacturers
67:26
also got blindsided by any CPUs with a
67:30
core count over 12 it's not just a matter of being rushed but also a matter
67:34
of not having enough information potentially to design a board that is
67:38
actually capable of handling this to be fair he was testing with one of 10 yes
67:44
the 10 cor models but yeah so it so it can't get any better it can only get
67:48
worse is sort of the point yeah okay
67:52
there's there's one more topic we can gloss over it a little bit but want to
67:56
some people information if no
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um Peta ransomware okay um I do really
68:05
want to give a call out for the guy on the Forum that posted this thread WM
68:09
groom AK has done a very very good job
68:14
of keeping this up to date with really good article linking really good quoting
68:18
really good updates um condensing big
68:22
updates on other sites down into easy digestible things so if you're
68:26
interested in the world of viruses and
68:29
hacking and ransomware and wipers and
68:32
everything else definitely go check out this thread I just post it in the chat
68:36
awesome um and there's a lot of crazy
68:40
information in there there's there's a bit of a developing story yeah so you
68:44
can maybe if we cover this now and someone watches the show in three days
68:47
it's not going to be up to dat all our notes are wrong and not because James is
68:51
a bad person but because it has literally all changed it's been changing
68:56
since he made his notes so so so go check out that thread it's being updated
68:59
like it it was last updated like
69:02
slightly over an hour ago y like after the show was even supposed to start
69:07
technically before the show started but yeah um it it's it's parading as
69:12
ransomware it's actually a wiper uh apparently the email account has been
69:18
closed by the email hosting service that was hosting it so even if you try to pay
69:22
to get your thing back they can't receive the email so not going to be
69:25
able to give you a key to unlock your device like it's it's it's a mess right
69:31
now and if you're really interested in that stuff I would check out that thread it's it's very well up to date it even
69:37
includes like the Bitcoin wallet address that people are sending money to so you
69:42
can see like how much money they've made so far and everything like it's yeah
69:45
it's good all right so thanks for watching guys and uh we will see you
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again next week same bat Time same bat Channel bye
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you're like out out right yeah
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okay
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wles oh okay it doesn't matter it doesn't matter I'm not trying to hide it
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it's just oh okay