The WAN Show: Hoverbike Pre-Orders, Non-Smart LG TV... & GUEST JJ - May 23rd, 2014
Linus Tech Tips
·Linus Tech Tips
·2015-05-07
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the mic's in kind of a random position but uh you know what whatever guys you
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know the funny thing about technical difficulties is that sometimes you're
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looking for these complicated Solutions because we've had so many problems on
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this show in the past with like capture
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cards being at the wrong settings and like you know like here here just like
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funny stupid stuff like this where outputting over HDMI from a laptop by
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the way you know big thanks to ASUS g750jz sponsor of the laptop laptop of
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the show all that good stuff so you output over a laptop over HDMI which in
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theory is a 1080p 60 htz signal but on
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our capture card you don't set a
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progressive input you set
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59.97 interlaced it's just like stuff that
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unless you're some kind of savant you
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can't possibly be expected to know and so we've done enough trial and error
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with this stuff that when something doesn't work and I go oh no my laptop
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capture is not working okay let's try all the HS and try all the like I'm
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going to I'm going to grab like tables and adapters laptops get yeah grab grab
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like you know half a dozen different laptops and like the weird like adapters
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that you made by putting together multiple adapters and then it turns out
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someone stepped on the blanking cable
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and p pulled it out of the capture card over on the other end which I can't see
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so that is why we're late I am terribly sorry guys you deserve the very best
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from us and uh we we were we were late
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today we are trying to we're trying to be better about all that stuff but we
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are human or are we nope spoiler alert
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spoiler alert and it was revealed later on in
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the show that actually they were livestock
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I was going to do a sheep now I don't know what to do you could go with cow I
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don't want to go with cow just cuz you've been losing weight lately doesn't
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mean that you uh don't have to make the cow noise Make the cow noise make it
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no speaking of speaking of paying people to do things and basically owning their
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souls um you guys we did the most
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unusual sponsor integration ever for
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fractal design on fast as possible that video will be up tonight as long as
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Taran finishes editing it before he has to go to a wedding over there and uh let
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thank you twitch chat sheep is only a
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word nothing more than that in fact if
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we break it down even further sheep is nothing but five letters series of
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characters all right and the W show is just a series of top topics that are
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technology and gaming and all that great stuff so we've got a few interesting
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things this week number one is hover
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bikes are evidently an actual thing
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there is a hover bike it is going into production you can pre-order
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one also the infinitec could be a more
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elegant omnidirectional treadmill solution compared to the virtuix Omni
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which we have checked out but there are going to be some challenges so we'll
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talk to you guys more about that after um l oh I'll let you talk it's all good
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either way LG is going to be well they already did update their P privacy
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policy so that essentially you have to share everything or get nothing we'll
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talk more about that later and Bungie has done the hero move and saved Halo
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Combat Evolved and custom Edition and we'll talk about that later as well they
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are so cool yeah I Prett much love that I want their boots just so that I can
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lick them so you don't necessarily have to be
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in boots no no okay
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these g750 jzs that we Ed for the WAN
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show here it was almost I was almost in a bit of an awkward position where I was
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I was like maybe it's the laptop's fault that I can't output and screen share and
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I was like oh that's going to be like really really awkward if I have to say
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that but it wasn't so now Y no
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awkwardness I get to talk about the Rock Solid heart touching reliability of
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the HDMI output on this notebook and I don't have to stress out about that
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other stuff I'm sorry did it touch your heart oh it definitely touched me you
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emotionally happy I don't know about the heart it does kind of touch you actually
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it does touch me quite intimately and it it it it it touches my junk yep it
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touches my junk and I'm okay with that because it actually doesn't run that hot
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yeah yeah that's true for a gaming notebook I'm surprisingly okay with it's
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just like a nice comfortable warm
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yeah having warm junk is not a bad thing
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so we both comfortably spoon our
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notebooks our notebooks the W show well no for us to call it spooning we'd have
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to like kind of turn them around and just really bad for usability sit like
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this with them yeah but there you know what if I had a criticism of ASUS's
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latest gaming notebook reach round is not very easy doesn't
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work reach round is very difficult to manage oh you need to make it so that
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the keyboard can pop out and then swivel around yeah so you can type backwards
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the funny thing about ASUS is they have so many different notebooks that they like probably have one like that
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like the taichi it's got screens on both
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sides yes perfect okay there we go oh I
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love it what the hell are we even talking about I don't know spooning
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laptops spooning laptops no we have an actual show to can you just stay focused
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for 5 minutes I guess I mean like jeez
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man twitch chat is uh not working for me so unfortunately I can't chat with you
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guys maybe it's because I got signed out for some reason I'm just going to go
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ahead and sign that baby back in and then let's let's let's kick off our
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first topic here you guys our first topic I believe is hover bikes hover
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bikes let's do that okay so you guys check this out this is unreal we're
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going to screen share because we can do that an advertisement oh no way long
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Service Experts no yeah it is it's twitch it's that hardcore muted but
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still doing things uh we could learn about these oh the ad goes away on its
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own that's Innovative beautiful so there
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it is you guys skip button here the world's first functional hover bike the
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Aro X and this is such a great this is such a great
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uh this is such a great tagline the aox
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lets you pretend to hover bike through the forests of Endor which it legit
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actually does so this picture is not faked in any way this isn't like the
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hover skateboard H that was so depressing with you know Christopher
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Lloyd and Tony Hawk and like all these people involved that I was just like
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what are you guys actually doing and it was like right before but not on April
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fools yeah like it wasn't April fools I
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was just like yeah this is just kind of mean to people because a lot of people
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really went for it so I I was sad for
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them um so basically this the video here
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is actually from a prototype um back in
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2012 and I don't know if we've got audio here I don't know if there's actually
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audio on this uh on this video here I'm just going to check really quick here
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yeah okay there's no audio on the video but some of the interesting stuff actually happens a little bit later so
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some of the challenges that they went through were figuring out how to counter
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the um like when you're when you're first spinning up the roers there's a
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lot of force that can cause it to that can cause the bike to to to to torque
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one way or the other they had to figure out how to counter that they had to take
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some cues from quadricopter like the parad Drone with respect to how to track
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if you're just drifting in the wind uh the idea though and this is this is the
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craziest thing about it the idea here is
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that if you ride a motorcycle you should be able to straight up get on one of
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these and ride it which as someone who can ride a
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motorcycle is like pretty exciting yeah
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so they're going pretty slow in this video but this is quite an old video oh
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yeah I saw this like years ago oh man look at this but what's cool about it is
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they're giving us some specs about the finished one so they're saying it can go
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up to 67 km an hour and up to 3.7 M High which doesn't sound
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like a ton 72 km hour sorry and up to
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3.7 met High which doesn't sound that high but think about this for a second
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uh especially the American viewers
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um 3.7 m is more than a
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story like that's more than the height of like almost pretty much the highest
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ceiling you'd ever find in a house so you would you could literally be driving
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around looking into Second Story Windows
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if something like this was ever street legal which you probably shouldn't do
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yeah and you probably shouldn't do that and the reason for forward the reason
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for the 3.7 meter height restriction is actually so that you don't get
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classified as an aircraft um in theory I guess there's no
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real reason why it couldn't go higher but like someone's going to make like
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that override going to die oh yeah it's going to be brutal like someone will die
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and then they're going to set back personal flying vehicles like 10 20
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years and it's going to be terrible you are wrecking it for us all they they
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have safety stuff too which I thought was interesting those like anti- flip
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guide rails that you saw around the side in the video um and they're thinking
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about doing stuff like replacing those or adding on airbags which I think is
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really smart that's actually either
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really smart or like just a totally bad
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idea like how do you put an airbag on a motorcycle no I think it's designed more
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like that that motorcycle helmet that's in airbag or sorry not motorcycle helmet
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but like pedal biking helmet yeah okay because it'll it'll not it'll register a
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fall and then so yeah I I think it's going to be around the sides so it could
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be more like a suit almost even or a I'm
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in freef fall and it goes like a marshmallow man from Ghostbusters on
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me it just like lets itself pop so you
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have the soft impact and then maybe you fall like a foot but it's no big deal I
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don't think you'd want it to let itself pop because the thing about crumple
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zones on cars is that they're designed to be weak but strong enough because
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like let's say Okay so let's let's think about it's not going to it's a it's a
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unless they make it foam if it's an airbag it's not going to crumple Zone
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yeah exactly so like if it popped that's like kind of like crumple Zone logic
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yeah that's why I was thinking yeah so that's like probably terrible cuz like
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depend okay depending how you're falling right yeah because if the way that you
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crash is kind of like you know the one Stormtrooper or bike trooper or whatever
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they were called you know why they had those those uh because there was an
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issue manufacturing like stormtrooper armor and so they were like oh yeah
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we'll like redesign them we'll call them like these Troopers this is all this is
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all hearsay it's not validated but that's a rumor I heard so anyway like
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the one guy who gets thrown off the bike and goes into the tree and like what I
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think was one of the most memorable Star Wars bad guy deaths actually the guy who
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like hits the tree upside down and then falls down so if that was how you like
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fell off of it like something disastrous happened you went flying off of it at 72
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km an hour you would want it to be solid
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enough yeah my only bounce more than
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like that's what I was worried about though is exactly what you just said is bouncing cuz I don't want to bounce I
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feel like that would be a terrible thing and you're just smacking something at 72
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km an hour and then going bong one way
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that you could absorb the impact without letting the air out of the device is you
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could allow the to shift around inside
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the bubble so not like fully inflated yeah so like a little bit of relax yeah
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or if you had like or if you had um you know narrower gaps internally so that
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the air can't move extremely quickly from one zone to another squeeze into
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another Zone but flow yeah then you could keep it from just bouncing off of
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trees or neither of us are Engineers Nei seems like a not terrible idea safety
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you know Rangers I thought that was super cool when they came out with the
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biking helmet that inflates it was just way too expensive if I remember
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correctly yeah it was yeah it was really expensive crazy expensive um and I don't
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even know that it was available in North America so that's I don't really think
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so it it was just like a university project not how airbags work lennice I
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know that's not how airbags work we're not talking about airbags and again
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we're not safety Engineers so like don't listen to any of that cuz none of that
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will happen we would be we would be safety fun engineers
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I think what they were talking about anyways was airbags on the side of the
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thing I like this idea from Felix r90 a
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giant laser beam that destroys everything in front of you perfect so
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you don't hit it and you never have to worry about it well because you know what that's that's why motorcyclists on
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the track can crash at you know a couple hundred kilometers an hour and actually
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be much less likely to be injured or killed than someone who crashes on the
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street going 70 80 km an hour because
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there's no obstacles I thought you were going to like cuz they're giant laser
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beams and I was like what no it's like yeah the Ducati laser beam mobile no
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because what happens is if you if you watch what happens when a motorcycle is Crash like it's still bad and you can
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still get like messed up real good but they skid on their gear they slide on
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the gear whereas when you hit a lamp post it's horrible your slide stops yeah
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I saw this GIF terrible segue but I saw this GIF of guys skateboarding and the
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one guy flies off and his skateboard goes across and takes out a few people
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one of the guys jumps off his skateboard before he gets hit by the other
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skateboard and they're going really fast so he has to like keep himself running
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but he's going too quick and he Dives and he skims right beside this pole and
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he slides like really fast right beside it and if you would have nailed right
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into it that would have been really bad did you see the uh did God did you see
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the one at the skateboarder who lands on his ass at the bottom of a of a bike
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Rail and then like lands right on the skateboard yeah and then just like rolls
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on by and the guy gives him a high five
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oh that was awesome we should just turn this whole show into meme I know we
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should just cover all the memes Ray William Johnson's not doing equals 3
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anymore I think that there is a definite Gap okay sorry guys it's not April fools
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so I shouldn't be making jokes like that we are not turning this into equals 3 no
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like equals equals when we're rebranding the show again and
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you guys will all hate it again okay let's do one more topic before we bring
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JJ on just because otherwise I feel like we're not going to get any topics done
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today infinite um yeah the infinite this
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you guys this this is um
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actually I you know what I'll let I'll let you introduce this topic um I'm
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going to fire up the video here though so that they can check this out while you talk so Omni was called a
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360° treadmill essentially but it wasn't
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really I it depends on I guess how you want to look at that but I don't really
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see it as a treadmill because you just kind of slid yeah shoes that were
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designed for sliding it's more like a tread cereal bowl yeah that you stand in
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yeah this is actually a treadmill that can actually go in 360° which is very
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interesting you can see they're walking on crazy angles but that's because the
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the Treads are moving in two different directions which allow that to be able to happen so very interesting it still
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has tons of the same problems that Omni has and probably even more so in the
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idea of it not being very easy to store
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uh being gigantic in general being expens being expensive difficult to
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manufacture difficult to manufacture all that kind of stuff um probably even more
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so for most of those it has tons of other issues too in terms of latency
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getting feedback from the game and it not reacting in time you moving in a
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weird way and it not reacting in time all this kind of stuff that being said
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it's really early on so hopefully that
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kind of stuff can come later um it's it's yeah it's it's going
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to be expensive I can't see this possible because you got to think it's
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more advanced than a normal Y and treadmills are already not that
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cheap but then again exercise equipment seems to be the biggest gigantic scam in
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the entire world in terms of how much that stuff costs versus how much it
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costs to manufacture I mean it's a weight it's literally a hunk of metal
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the dumbbells that I have at my house are like just it's one solid piece like
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it's not one of those really nice ones and even the paint on it is like it obviously dripped on the one side and
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they all look like that they're like not even that cheap cheap and they're just completely crap but it's just the
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cheapest ones that they had so I was like whatever I don't need a fancy one
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it weighs a certain amount and I pick it up and put it
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down I'm not too worried about it like biggest scan ever you know that would be
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that would be a great business idea so
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Media Group Waits no no not I don't want to do it but but if someone if someone
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went okay we're going to make like environmentally conscious exercise
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equipment so basically all it is is like
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recycled metal crap and they just molded into the shape of things
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that people can lift and put down and they'll just be like look this stuff legit didn't cost us any more than scrap
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metal costs so you cover the shipping you cover our cost to turn it into this
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shape and we're good and also some
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profit not but not as much but not that
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much yeah not that much that's not a bad idea I'm sure that would work pretty
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well actually it's the not the world's most horrible idea
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by lightest Media Group oh we never oh we never said the uh the hover bike uh
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right you you have to put down 5,000 and the price is going to be 85,000 so you
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put down 5,000 just to reserve one and they're not expecting them to actually
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be available until 2017 so this is like some pretty
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hardcore pre-ordering going on but you know expecting you know clients like US
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border patrol or Park Rangers or let they're an off-road vehicle to be the
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the Target for this um maybe maybe they're willing maybe some of them are
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willing to at least invest in one to find out if it's a good idea and then go
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from there apparently someone has named them slick lifts slick lifts I I think
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slick lifts are more like the kind of thing I would want to wear in my
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shoes oh that's not a bad name slick lifts and
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they could be like stylish they could be like fancy colors because if if we've
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learned anything from Kickstarter it's that people will Kickstart the hell out
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of anything that's a completely normal thing but like different colors did you
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see that Kickstarter for brightly colored USB like micro cables no I was
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just like really and someone was like oh lonus you should cover this you should
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request a sample and I'm just like what could I possibly say hates micro USB
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cables with a with all the fiery passion
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that I can conjure in my soul um I I hate micro USB so you know a
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slightly more aesthetically pleasing micro USB cable is unlikely to light a
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fire for me something I also want to bring up about infinitec if we're going
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to be bouncing around in topics is uh the the the possible Resurgence and
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comeback of the arcade I brought this up when we first
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started talking about because if you have like a home infinitec it's going to
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be this little tiny thing if you go to a giant arcade it could be infinex style
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infinite room yeah and it could be like
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a whole whole room and that kind of a thing might cost $100,000 so you're not
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going to be able to afford it in your house yeah and you might not have space
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for it like at all but every arcade in the Lower Mainland here in the Vancouver
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area is gone now because you can get so
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close to that experience at home whereas
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this could be a complete Revival for that business model where it's like you
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look you know come in and pay 30 bucks an hour to use whatever you want and
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with virtual reality and the kinds of
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I I can imagine someone like Oculus having a professional grade option
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versus a consumer grade option so having like really Advanced virtual reality
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with much better sensors low latency cameras for motion tracking all built
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all around into the room built into a room I mean that's the kind of thing
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that I I would I would go and I would pay 30 bucks an hour to go chill for a
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couple hours i' try yeah if if they had VR and AR experiences too you could have
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both Styles that's my problem with the infinitec though is I really don't think
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that stationary okay outside of markets where like places like Europe and Japan
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where they're legitimately not going to have enough space for an augmented
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reality gaming experience I think that augmented reality is going to be the one
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that draws me much more than VR like I would rather deal with the inconvenience
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of a backpack with like a heavy battery in it or something and a front-facing
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camera that augments what what I see and
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then you're going to get like essentially uh paintball fields yes
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because one problem with that is if you just kind of cruise if you do it in your
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house it's a very limited setup yes every map's going to be the same it's going to get really boring if you do it
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outside people are going to look at you like you're absolutely insane and
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they're probably going to try and talk to you and that's going to break the whole immersion experience so it's going
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to have to be like a like a a VR field I
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think which could be really cool and you know what it comes back to our tanks and
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RC tanks and planes idea where like oh
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man people might not even get that reference actually piloting you know
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like a plane and being able to fire like virtual lasers and crap at other
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people's planes and like take them down
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the future is the future is exciting um all right so why don't we bring JJ on do
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you want to get him to join us
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here I'm going to just tweet this out tune in live
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at you w twitch.
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tvlist we actually have a watch page on linch tips.com I just don't know the URL
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which is sort of a terrible terrible thing nobody does anymore yeah okay all
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right so bring on our oh oh is that are
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you there hello sir can you hear me I I can
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hear you sir I can hear you sir fantastic all right all right so guys
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give JJ a warm welcome and uh all that
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good stuff in the twitch chat for those of you who don't know who this gentleman
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is he is the tech Guru of ASUS who knows
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all the things about all the ASUS you I swear I swear you could ask him any
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question about an ASUS product past present and probably even future and he
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would know the answer but that third category he probably couldn't tell you
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about it so you are extremely nice I thank you I thank you I I try my best I
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try my best man but yeah that is very that is a very humbling introduction so
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thank you all right so I think the uh
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the thing to do here is to invite people
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on the Twitter boards to go ahead and we're going to do things a little bit
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differently this week rather than just tweeting at liniste any questions you
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have about ASUS products particularly
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z97 and h97 motherboards we want you to
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use #and I don't remember what it is anymore
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and I can uh I can I can see that that's going to be a problem for me okay so I'm
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going to invent one right off the bat so it's going to be hashtag W live W live I
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thought it was wow live sure hash wow live go ahead and include that hashtag
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with your Tweet and we're going to be going through them and finding some good
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questions for JJ but in the meantime I'm going to kick things off I'm going to go
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okay look z97 um it's no gigantic secret that not
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a whole lot changed on the Intel side of things so why don't you give us like a
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top three reasons why maybe users shouldn't necessarily upgrade from Z87
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outright but for people upgrading to LGA
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1150 why would they spend an extra couple bucks for z97 versus
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Z87 yeah that's you know that's a really good that's a really good question um
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and I think it's kind of a tricky uh question to answer because I think both
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me and you have um I'd say like a
27:31
different I guess approach than most people because since we see Hardware
27:35
every single generation right we kind of might think of it from the bleeding edge
27:39
where we're going to upgrade from one platform to the next but a lot of users
27:43
like you said are necessarily sometimes coming over from a platform from two
27:46
three four five years ago I mean we got people that are still coming over from
27:49
p45 or x58 or different chipsets but um right um I think for this generation you
27:54
know our goal we always try to look at kind of two different perspectives of
27:57
development know chipset develop and then board level development so every
28:02
generation I think we try to put in the effort to put in new functions and
28:05
features that are going to make things interesting uh and improve for the users's experience so I think three
28:10
things um I'm a big fan once again of everything that we did on the autotuning
28:13
side for the motherboards I think that the new customization uh abilities that
28:17
we have for this generation are pretty nuts as far as the granularity and
28:20
control that you have for dynamic Real Time auto overclocking um I'm really I'm
28:25
really digging a lot of the new stuff that we did on the audio implementation
28:28
to extend you know the previous designs that we had and then I think kind of
28:32
just total experience you know I think most of us when we go about building a
28:35
system um we kind of think of building
28:39
the system in a lot of different ways sometimes it's the Simplicity of just
28:42
how smoothly something might work or how kind of something you didn't realize in
28:45
terms of just enabling like this generation you know for us it's easy to
28:49
enable XMP but you know we still see based off of Market survey data that you
28:52
know 50% of users never enable XMP on a motherboard um right so just having a
28:58
physical switch on the motherboard that now a user can just you know flip into
29:01
the on position you know while to me it's something that I would never use in
29:04
terms of having value for we definitely know that there's users out there that
29:08
would go wow that just makes sense and I can just do that and that gives me um
29:12
you know exactly what I'm using for because that's what I paid for in terms
29:15
of the memory that I bought so I have a question for you about the physical XMP
29:19
switch is that something that the system integrators were asking for as well no
29:24
um actually no we didn't get any of that feedback from the system great that was
29:28
really based purely on the perspective of trying to find a more simplified
29:32
solution if you remember last generation you know we put in that easy OneTouch
29:36
ufi option for the XMP function right and so this was just kind of the
29:40
evolution of that of trying to give you um you know a very easy way to do it not
29:44
only within the ufi but a really easy way of doing it on the physical Hardware
29:47
level so the next implementation will be like um a a giant red button this big
29:53
with like a flashing LED behind it push this yeah do this push this if you have
29:58
memory I think the next option is you know we're working on like on a micro
30:02
automaton a little you know guy that will come inside the box and he'll ask
30:05
you questions do you need help and he'll just do it for you exactly he'll just
30:09
kind of you know come on like your own personal Golem and then he'll go into
30:12
your system and he'll just enable everything for you you won't do anything he'll just you just tell him I want to
30:17
do this and this and this and he'll automatically do it for you can you create different skins for it so there
30:21
can be like there can be like the like the Cortana like you know digital girl
30:26
and then there can be like the uh like you remember uh mad mod Mike that NVIDIA
30:31
um brand asset that was like the guy with like a huge backpack and like
30:36
screwdrivers and stuff and then I think like a bonus one for someone who buys
30:40
all the ASUS components possible so only
30:44
people who have an ASUS like motherboard graphics card you like a keyboard mouse
30:49
sound card and then it unlocks like a JJ
30:53
Avatar yeah that would be pretty awesome you
30:57
know actually it's funny you talk about that we're um we're going to be
31:00
hopefully doing in a little bit sometime this quarter we're going to be releasing these like really cool limited edition
31:06
um really highly articulated small Rog robots um so for like our Die Hard
31:11
enthusiasts that really love you know R Hardware and ASUS Hardware they're going
31:15
to have the opportunity to be able to pick up these really limited edition
31:18
High detail based figures so um you know I think that's all just part of the
31:21
experience right you know all of us as Builders we love dealing with hardware and anything that just makes things
31:26
interesting and more engaging and adds experience is always
31:29
cool all right so why don't I start with
31:32
uh a first question from someone on The Forum that actually um reached out to me
31:37
very politely and said look I'm sorry I can't tune into the show live but I
31:41
really want to know the answer to this why did you guys go for an expansion
31:47
card versus building Thunderbolt into
31:50
the motherboards that you thought it made sense for I mean one of the things
31:53
that you and I have talked about extensively is the way that ASUS tries
31:56
to build a motherboard according to how they think that user is
32:00
going to use it down to everything from whether to use just you know um
32:06
integrated Intel uh SATA connectors to
32:09
implementing a particular brand even of
32:12
extra SATA connectors so why didn't you guys go for something like the Ws it was
32:17
the one real criticism I had of that board why didn't you go okay look this
32:21
is a workstation board it should have Thunderbolt on it right off the bat yeah
32:25
yeah no you make a really good point and that was a really hard decision to make
32:28
you know for us um Thunderbolt is still continuing to be kind of an emerging
32:32
technology that we're seeing get utilized and we're heavily involved you
32:35
know I myself I actually went to two Thunderbolt plugfest this generation and
32:38
we worked with I think over 160 vendors that are making all kinds of Thunderbolt
32:42
accessories so we definitely still still value in it I mean uh compared to any
32:46
other vendor no other vendor has more Thunderbolt Solutions than us and I
32:49
think it just came down to a question of resource uh layout consideration and
32:53
cost um you know while there's definitely going to be a segmentation
32:56
even within that content creation Community like you talk about for a WS model that would see value on
33:01
Thunderbolt the majority of those users as a whole are not going to be utilizing
33:04
Thunderbolt they will be utilizing your classic interconnects whether they're
33:07
going to be USB um or whether it's going to be actually even gigabit based
33:11
connectivity on a local based Network um so in that situation I think we saw the
33:15
value of let's still give them that ability to be able to have Thunderbolt
33:18
right um on the boards but not necessarily have to have them to pay the
33:22
premium because when you do look at the cost the bomb cost so the bill and
33:25
material cost on Thunderbolt it is probably with in uh the top three most
33:29
expensive hardware specs to put on a motherboard so it's not like a small
33:34
add-on cost sometimes there are some stuff that it's a really marginal cost to implement on the board um so it's a
33:39
pry pretty big increase in terms of impacting the MSRP so the the final
33:42
retail price of the motherboard plus there is physical spa space layout
33:46
considerations so um this generation WS
33:49
actually we did incorporate the same type of isolated audio design that we
33:52
had started to implement on the Rog Series so that kind of implementation
33:56
balancing all that thing in terms of space and real estate and everything
34:00
else out it was just kind of a managed kind of uh implementation where we said
34:03
okay um you know probably makes sense but we still have to balance everything
34:07
out and even little things like you wouldn't keep in mind like the U the
34:10
Thunderbolt board still has 1394 so it's our only active z97 skew that actually
34:15
has 1394 I did notice that because we still actually have users in that
34:19
content creation Community they've made really big investment for firewire and
34:22
actually the usage model is still actually a little bit higher than Thunderbolt we probably see that by the
34:26
end of this year finally eclipsing the Thunderbolt will even be higher than the
34:30
existing base of for 1394 but that 1394
34:33
chip takes up space right so if we probably maybe would have taken that out
34:37
could have probably maybe offset it so it just literally comes down to a
34:40
balance Factor you know we'd love to put everything that we could on there um but
34:44
that's kind of the best compromise but the cool thing about it is you know Thunderbolt across what like 16 SKS and
34:49
all you got to do is just drop in the card right all right I can see why you made
34:54
the compromise now here's something that I wish everyone would quit compromising
34:59
on and and you can go you could like let's call this like off the Record your
35:03
opinion um I will do my best looking
35:06
into the crystal ball when are we going to finally see 10 gab Ethernet I've seen
35:11
some of the guys in twitch chat talking about 10 gig because I right now no one
35:16
seems to be willing to just do this and make it a consumer technology I think
35:20
Netgear has like one eight Port switch
35:24
on New Egg that's still hundreds of dollars and you can buy Nick cards for
35:29
in the $200 to $300 range um the cabling
35:33
itself has caught up at this point so you can get cat 6A cable for a
35:37
reasonable price how much legitimately
35:40
like if you had to just guess and you can tell me the number is probably wrong
35:43
you can disclaim it this number is wrong but if I um how much would a 10 gigabit
35:48
implementation on a motherboard cost and and what's the problem right now why
35:52
can't we do it um it really comes down to just it really it's a cost factor
35:56
it's totally possible we could entirely Do It um and you know while there are
36:00
stuff that I can't talk about as far as on the current chipset portfolio you can
36:04
imagine that there's things coming down the pipeline later on where that could be a possibility of something that you
36:08
would want be incorporated so we are evaluating looking at 10 gig uh e
36:13
Solutions on based platforms but more probably in the server and workstation
36:16
demographic than we would see in the traditional kind of like z97 so the
36:20
performance kind of Market space um but from a cost standpoint you're talking
36:24
that you could easily take a motherboard that might let's say tradition be let's
36:28
say like a $250 motherboard $300 motherboard so that's a a relatively
36:31
high-end Enthusiast c97 based board and you could add an MSRP of Beyond $200 to
36:37
be able to add 10 gig e so that's that's a huge cost increase to the consumer you
36:42
know I'm sure like foreign people would go this is crazy $200 more right um of
36:48
course for the users that know the benefit of what they would be able to do
36:52
in leveraging a 10 gig e solution they would they would appreciate that and
36:55
they would also look at the cost of going hey maybe an add-in card is at
36:59
least maybe 350 bucks so having to pay $200 and having it integrated I'm ready
37:04
to do that um but we we're looking at it actually I think in a more complete
37:08
rollout strategy you know we're evaluating actually 10 gig not just for
37:11
our motherboards but also for our entire networking division um so definitely
37:15
stay tuned you know you're going to see more of that coming down the pipeline from us um but you know it it really
37:20
just comes down to cost if users say hey we're willing to take on the cost then
37:24
we can do it this same stuff even rolls into like a mini ITX for like really
37:28
highend we've done some really crazy interesting designs for x79 and trying
37:32
to do a Ultra small form factor x79 miniitx and I'm not going to say it's
37:36
impossible because we've made some really interesting design choices to be
37:40
able to do something like that and then I have people tell me oh we'll do it but
37:44
then there's always that difference between what's the real Market reality
37:47
and what's the niche reality of people saying oh we'll buy this right um yeah
37:52
because you know for us to kick off a board you know you're at least talking
37:56
six to eight months development time a high amount of R&D cost bandwidth and
38:00
resource and stuff like that and so I could probably make it I could make an
38:03
x79 miniitx it could be really interesting as far as the way it' work
38:07
but would you really be willing to pay you know $450 $500 for that
38:11
Port ah and that that would be a tough
38:14
pill to swallow I mean I could see an x79 ITX board being worth a small
38:18
premium you know maybe 250 bucks 275
38:22
bucks for you know like let's let's call
38:25
it like a deluxe class board you know something pretty equivalent to you know
38:29
a z97 or Z87 ITX board but if you
38:33
started to tell me it's $400 $500 that's a really tough pill to swallow
38:37
especially when you factor in that you're going to need some other pretty specialized Hardware to even build that
38:42
rig um you know you're going to want Silverstone is I think the only one that
38:46
I'm aware of with an 80 plus gold power supply that's a 450 watt unit that's a
38:51
an sfx power supply so this is this is a
38:54
very special machine at this point and you think about like how many times guys
38:58
viewers think about how many times on a forum you've seen a machine that special
39:03
how many times you seen that power supply yeah and I I think the other
39:07
thing too is you know I mean we're okay making those type of advancements I mean
39:11
if you look at our history we're not necessarily afraid to Buck the trend and
39:15
sometimes put on these really specialized technologies that roll out
39:18
over time to other products over time um you know because we have users that
39:22
realize that and that's part of the community one of the really cool things about the pcdiy community is in itself
39:27
that people will embrace the technology they'll pay a premium and while not
39:31
everybody benefits from it right away actually that's the really cool thing is
39:34
that as products scale over time you know those that initial investment
39:38
actually does scale out to more products over time um you know so as long as you
39:42
can get enough of those people to be supportive of that then you can see
39:45
really cool and Innovative product like that it just depends D we really have enough people for these type of
39:50
Solutions in the same way I get every day I get people asking me I want high
39:53
performance am3 Mini ITX right yeah so
39:56
stuff like that yeah okay now leading into investing in the future and it
40:02
paying off for everyone I think this is a great discussion topic and I don't
40:05
worry JJ I'll let you talk about z97 at some point oh no worries man let's talk
40:11
pg278q Rog Swift you had to do it right
40:14
you had you just had to ask about it right yeah but but I got more oh it gets
40:18
more complicated than that because I'm G to also throw at you the Acer
40:21
announcement today of their 4k g-sync
40:25
monitor and then I'm going to throw throw this at you again and I'm going to
40:28
go is this is this all just irrelevant
40:32
with the vesa 1.2a standard coming out
40:35
supporting AMD's free sync or active sync like is gsync even relevant anymore
40:40
what do you again real thoughts what like what do you think don't you don't
40:44
even have to give a concrete answer here yeah so you make a lot of really good
40:48
points so I think first of off if we just tackle um the first point in terms
40:51
of gyn's relevancy it's entirely relevant the first and foremost reason
40:56
is because um while you haven't seen physical MP product it's already a
41:00
technology that's proven it's in integrator Solutions right now they're
41:03
working on it and they're finalizing the products to come to the market um so
41:07
this is a big difference than let's just say something a ratified specification
41:10
or ratified standard um that's coming into its play and then still has to be
41:15
actually proven in real design and implementation um so I see regardless of
41:20
whether something is a physical implementation um or a firmware layer
41:24
specification um or something that occures on a much minor level that's
41:28
purely on a software basis these all those things have to be proven in the
41:31
real world and I can tell you the the the learning curve just alone for our
41:35
mod development team along with NVIDIA at actually taking what they thought was
41:39
a monitor kind of driving uh circuit board um you know and then having to
41:44
approach that in the real world were two entirely different things you know we had to consider things that NVIDIA
41:48
hadn't factored in like color calibration profile support which is
41:52
normally part of let's say the the the electronics package in a monitor but we
41:55
had to work with their team to be a bble to actually integrate the ability to have color controls because that wasn't
42:00
something that was inherently part of the fpga package because nid was
42:03
thinking from a different perspective so so they went gaming they went it's funny
42:09
because NVIDIA sometimes gets criticized
42:12
for being you know oh you guys are completely focused on grid or you're
42:15
completely focused on mobile but then they go and they bring something like
42:18
g-sync to Market and they literally haven't even thought about it Beyond
42:22
yeah gaming yeah and I mean that's that's you know the reality of every
42:26
company I mean sometimes you run up against um you know experience and you
42:31
know just your internal kind of perspective right and that's where it's a balance that they've worked with us to
42:35
leverage our experience and monitor design and we're leveraging their
42:38
experience at that IC based design in that package right uh for what they're
42:41
doing there so I think that still in that um aspect there's still a lot of
42:45
logic and there's a lot of other things that NVIDIA is doing within the um fpga
42:49
and the overall IP that developing behind gsync that in the long term not
42:52
just right now but what you're going to be able to do over time with it um
42:56
actually continues to paint the purpose of having a specialized IC now I love
43:00
the aspect and ASUS says you know we're not um we're not biased to any vendor
43:05
right we produce AMD Solutions we produce NVIDIA we produce Intel chipsets
43:08
and we produce AMD chipsets um so from our perspective we want to be able to
43:12
give the consumers the most Choice possible right um right so I you know I
43:17
I in that perspective right you know what you're seeing with the new uh Visa
43:20
update um you're going to have more flexibility to have a more open
43:24
ecosystem so that's great as well but I think all of us at the end the end of
43:27
the day what we care first and foremost about is how something works even if
43:31
it's a proprietary solution if it works really really really really well and
43:34
there's no issues with it I'm okay with it being proprietary if it works
43:38
outstanding and it doesn't have any bugs and it doesn't have issues and it just
43:41
works right I mean that's um that's a proven example of you know you're going
43:45
to get a lot of people that um they say hey we wish you gave more Linux support
43:49
well it's really hard to have Linux support from a chipset development when you have 20 different dros that all have
43:54
their different kernels and uh they all have to be compiled different right when
43:58
you then tell the chipset company hey you can design a driver for Windows and
44:01
it's just one platform right so it's very much kind of that same thing
44:04
there's a lot of things to consider in that so I think g-sync is still relevant
44:10
I still think we're going to totally Embrace and look at how we can
44:13
incorporate the updated V supc in monitors over time um and then from
44:17
there you know the 4K proposition as far as that goes into it I think everybody's
44:21
interested to continue to see U just improved gaming U performance on all
44:26
types of monitors regardless whether it's 4K whether it's going to be new TNN
44:29
whether it's going to be IPS I don't think it matters I think everybody just wants to continue to see um improved and
44:34
evolved monitor type designs so I give kudos hey uh you know Acer's done an
44:38
interesting design there with the 4K uh I think for us still as you guys know uh
44:43
4K is a really interesting technology I mean we're launching our right now our
44:46
our brand new PB monitor that's going to be really price impressive I know I have
44:49
one um there you go right so you know we're all behind that um but you know to
44:55
every single one of these right when you factor in a monitor there's so much more
44:58
to consider than just a monitor right it's you know the games that you're
45:01
playing it's the gpus that you're going to be running in the system um so
45:05
there's a lot of different perspectives so for there's not going to be ever one monitor that rules them all I think in
45:10
that perspective right you can maybe get close maybe we could get pretty close to
45:14
having some right specs to stuff but a lot of this is driven by so many
45:17
different things so for us we're going to continue to embrace I think all the Technologies on the market and uh listen
45:22
to you guys at what you guys want all right now I have another question from
45:27
Omid now given that Intel didn't change
45:31
much going from Z87 to z97 and I I think
45:35
we you'd be hard pressed to to find like you know a massive change log from the
45:40
ASUS side um given that it wasn't really necessary why are some reviewers finding
45:46
they're getting better overclocking results and better temps on z97 on the
45:50
same Haswell chips um you know part of
45:53
this is sometimes actually time differential uh there's changes in the
45:57
overall what's called Mei um it's really interesting we're seeing some of this
46:01
some of this stuff we're asking reviewers to go back and evaluate because in our internal analysis it's
46:05
pretty much actually par um par for par but there are some technical
46:10
implementations that sometimes actually reviewers don't fully evaluate uh one of
46:13
the really things that's interesting with the the fivr so that integrated voltage regulator and then what's called
46:18
your VCC uh in as far as voltage is is
46:22
that the voltage that you see defined within something like CPU uh CPU Z is
46:27
not actually your real necessarily voltage that's the voltage that's
46:30
actually being communicated by the Fiverr but the voltage or the VCC input
46:35
can actually be lower than that voltage and then based on efficiency you can
46:38
have a different measurement so two boards could actually be effectively
46:42
giving you the same voltage but can achieve it in different ways if let's
46:46
say one has a lower VCC in and one has a higher VCC in um so that can account
46:51
actually for temperature differential um the other thing is that over time if
46:55
let's say they first tested some boards like six months ago and then new tuning
46:59
has come out where they make optimizations to actually load policies
47:03
and they make changes to actually different parts of the UEFI that change
47:06
different actually conditioning parameters whether it's the vrm efficiency or different primary paramet
47:10
all those things can sometimes offset a little bit of numbers um but I can tell
47:13
you from our internal analysis overall users should generally if you take a
47:18
4770k 4670k um between a Z87 platform and then
47:22
a z97 platform the actual OC experience is pretty much linear it's it's it's the
47:27
same you're not getting a diminished experience and you're not getting
47:30
actually a better experience it's the same clocking experience for our boards
47:34
we do have a revised dram topology so Dam topology scaling is even a little
47:39
bit better so you can even get higher but to real world users it's not really
47:42
relevant because most users you know are maybe going up to 2132 2400 so
47:46
regardless that we can do higher memory dividers um it doesn't really impact the
47:49
real user um so most of this really just comes down to difference in sometimes
47:53
the underlying code base changes in let's say uh vol rules and policies that
47:58
sometimes the viewers aren't always as let's say always understanding of or not
48:02
maybe fully accounting for because they might be looking for just one numerical
48:06
value versus another numerical value yeah all right so I've got another one
48:12
for you I guess along the lines of of Z87 to z97 changes again because I did
48:17
promise I'd give you an opportunity to uh to cover that with us here is what
48:21
are the biggest changes between or the
48:24
biggest differences that you guys have have aimed to deliver here with the z97
48:30
boards whether it's compared to what the competition's doing and you don't have to name any names or whether it's
48:34
compared to the last generation Z87 implementations um well you know for us
48:39
I mean you know we try to we're always in the game of pushing the envelope
48:42
right we're always going to try to look at what the experience is and can we
48:46
make those experiences better regardless of what it is um you know I think
48:50
probably the biggest ones that we did that they they might seem small but when
48:53
you really kind of look at them in the bigger picture they were really hard to
48:56
implement but they really give a whole another level of experience um are going
48:59
to be really in the autotuning Technologies in the sound and with the
49:03
fan controls but I mean there's been improvements to every single aspect but
49:06
you know the fan control stuff is pretty awesome right the last previous generations we'd always talked about
49:10
having that full fan header control for every single header you know three pin
49:13
and four pin support but this year having the ability to go to every single
49:17
header and manually define whether it's a PC uh pwm or DC based control is
49:22
awesome because now that gives you the ability that if you want to put twwm Splitters on there you want to get like
49:27
a source 530 and have those three front intake fans all be regulated by one
49:31
chassis fan header all in the same signal bam power those fans from the PSU
49:35
get them all tuned with the same actual fan curve and you're rocking and rolling right that's sweet because it just adds
49:40
a whole another layer of granularity control how you set up your airf flow
49:44
and you set up your experience and you know what's funny is the thing that uh
49:49
the thing that really blew me away is about the new fan control is one that
49:53
you didn't even mention and that's the fact that it's within the UEFI now and I
49:57
canine all those curves in basic I click
50:00
one thing and I go y Header by header
50:04
here's the curve I want I want it on a predefined curve I want to do my own
50:07
manual curve because you again real talk
50:10
time this is a w show we're casual I don't really like AI Suite very much it
50:15
it is it is a has been a big problem for me at various times throughout its
50:20
history and while I haven't tried it in the last probably 3 to six
50:24
months I I've tried it fairly recently enough that I just am not a huge fan
50:29
whereas ufi implementation of something like that wow what a godsend because now
50:34
I can really take advantage of that feature in a way that is bulletproof and
50:38
this one thing to not shoot at AI Suite despite I don't use it either um is that
50:43
getting away from the software implementation is just nice anyways because if you reformat your computer
50:47
change AO drive or do whatever that's less that you have to think about when
50:50
you're setting everything back up again yeah yeah I think that that applies more
50:54
to you guys as reviewers right most users you know you they talk about
50:57
actually how long they can try to keep rolling over their OS you see so many
51:00
people take osses from one chipset to another chipset and they don't ever even
51:03
reinstall um you know but I guess that'll be my challenge just to win you
51:07
over because you know that's one thing that we work really hard on is the software suite but you know that's that
51:12
is a good example um you know we had to work really hard on actually putting in
51:15
that full graphical fan turve the calibration and all that stuff and
51:19
literally it's redundant we we spent time and effort to do something that we
51:22
had already done two years before but we did it just to be able to give more of
51:26
our base of users more accessibility so whether it's guys that for whatever
51:30
reason don't want to embrace the software well then we can give it to you
51:34
in another direction and you can still get that same experience um and then you
51:38
added on you know rounding that all out giving you the temperature input control
51:41
per header I mean that's awesome right that you can go in and say hey my front
51:45
intake fan should not have to respond to my CPU right why can't that respond to
51:49
my motherboard why can't that respond to my PCH why can't that respond to another
51:53
temperature input um so you know and and
51:57
I think the biggest part you know is a lot of time we get pigeon held as being the premium vendor the more expensive
52:01
vendor look at the z97a again there is not a better value
52:06
proposition board in my opinion $140 motherboard that has that class of fan
52:10
controls you know I don't want to you know bring competitors into it you know
52:14
guys you go you know me long enough I'm not that kind of guy that I bash on you
52:18
know the other guys but Gigabyte ASRock
52:21
MSI none of them but everyone everyone
52:25
else none of them I'm just combo punch the entire team right now their highest
52:29
and motherboard doesn't have that fan control that I have on $140 motherboard
52:33
when you talk about value I don't know how much it gets better than that from a
52:36
value proposition you know what the funny thing about you saying that is I I
52:40
can imagine already I mean there's a delay on the twitch stream but I can
52:44
already imagine what's going to happen in about 20 seconds uh where people are
52:48
going to say oh I don't care about that fan control that doesn't have a value
52:52
for me I don't really care I like all my fans running at 100% or whatever else
52:56
but my response to that is you know what there are some people who care a whole
53:01
lot about that and two of them sitting in this room have spent over
53:08
$150 on a software fan controller that
53:11
basically Hardware fan controller sorry Hardware fan controller that we have to
53:15
configure through software that's much flakier than AI Suite has ever
53:19
been just to get that functionality that you guys are now including on a board
53:24
that costs less than what we paid for an mq te balancer so someone out there
53:29
appreciates it even if not everybody does and it is a definite value ad even
53:34
if it's like possibly the only two people in Canada well no I I mean
53:38
there's definitely I mean we know for sure that it's a lot more people than just you guys um you know it's just the
53:42
bigger thing is sometimes just edifying people and helping them understand this
53:46
and it's hard you know we talked about this last time this is not an easy game
53:49
to be in when there's so many features and there's so many functions to be
53:53
cognizant and to be aware of but you know we work on it but um you know I
53:56
think like I said the fan controls I think the auto tuning stuff is awesome I mean this generation you have the
54:01
ability to do Target temperature based overclocking so that if you want to have
54:04
the overclock be limited to 70c or 80c
54:08
and it it's only going to do it to that you know having it be frequency based
54:11
having the app tuning stuff right where you can conditionally profile your
54:15
application to a specific overclock and have that dynamically adjust things like
54:19
Network prioritization or audio stuff I mean I think crazy stuff if you start to
54:22
really evaluate some of these fun functions and features it's kind of crazy that you're getting this level of
54:27
control and and while you guys might not be using the software to make this end
54:30
user available the power and class of this functionality I don't think people
54:34
thought you know especially three years ago four years ago every year people say
54:37
yeah there's not more that you can do it's it's it's all over there's no more
54:41
there's no more Innovation that can be done and then you do stuff like this and people go how come this hasn't been on a
54:45
motherboard for the last five years right um so and the funny thing is even
54:50
I find myself doing it sometimes where I'll be I'll be using all the latest
54:53
stuff because that's what I generally use um and then well no really though
54:58
because I because when we're whenever we're evaluating something we don't
55:02
Benchmark whatever is 5 years old before
55:05
yeah but it doesn't happen very often but that's exactly it is I'll be I'll be
55:10
using all this latest stuff and then the other day I was putting together a
55:13
pfSense box and I I dug I dug an h55
55:18
board out of a box somewhere and I was like oh yeah it's got like a dual core
55:23
so it's relatively low you know power consumption or whatever also relatively
55:27
low performance so I don't mind tying it up in that box just to try it out and I
55:31
was blown away by just all the crap it didn't have even though I didn't feel
55:36
like between between age 55 and now I
55:40
didn't really feel like there was any kind of huge generational Improvement in
55:43
features I was just like oh this thing like doesn't have anything it doesn't
55:47
have like onboard buttons it doesn't have like going back to those like
55:51
classic old school blue screen Phoenix BIOS setups I know it's like oh wow yeah
55:55
this is been a while actually and that's actually it's perfect that you bring
56:00
that up because that's you know highlighting back to your I think your very first question right or maybe like
56:04
your second one about people upgrading this is where I think it's sometimes
56:07
hard as you guys reviewers is that the value proposition sometimes you kind of
56:11
go this meh mentality right when a new chipset comes out because you guys are
56:15
maybe looking at it right from the previous one but I think that we've done
56:18
a whole lot to improve from Z87 to z97 but it is also really important to
56:22
remember I mean you guys have a really really great community and so you guys
56:25
know about the the systems that these users have but you know imagine somebody
56:29
right now coming over from an x58 platform to just like our our Dash a or
56:34
our Pro motherboard and everything that they're getting just on the board level
56:38
right let's not forget the things that our chipset derive but just on the board
56:42
functionality level there's an insane amount of stuff that they totally just
56:45
are not even remotely near um coming over from that chipset to this chipset
56:50
all right so JJ this is uh this is a question from Lis a moon and I tend to I
56:57
tend to agree with him why don't you use
57:01
right angle usb3 connectors so if you actually notice we
57:06
do use it on the saber toot series and we've actually done it now for I think
57:09
three generations um but we don't do it
57:12
as a whole because we still see actually chassis compatibility issues um so I
57:17
think really the only company that's really kind of gun ho about it is EVGA
57:21
um and we've we've like I said we just don't do it because we still see enough
57:25
issues with that there are some chassis where the actual space if you were to
57:29
right angle that cable it actually will obstruct into the hard drive cage so
57:33
it's a bit tight in that spacing and as you know that usb3 header it's a fat
57:38
blocky header and it's really hard to deal with um in terms of that what we're
57:43
actually I think playing around with more is that we're coming we're trying to develop kind of like a usb3 q
57:48
connector um so that you could actually put that in and it'll have actually a
57:52
flexible cable that you could then run through like your your uh your your
57:56
routing holes in your chassis the kind of the tricky thing about that is that
58:00
there's a actual there's a cost so you actually have to pay a royalty cost
58:04
every time you do like a usb3 spec this is why oh jeez this is why a lot of the
58:09
chassis if you notice there's like a really big drop off between entrylevel
58:13
chassis having front USB 3 and then all of them having USB 2 right and you saw
58:18
like this weird area where there was like stuff from NZXT or Cooler Master
58:21
these other ones where they only have like one us one one front USB 3 yeah
58:25
that's because because the cost so it Char they charge you for this usb3
58:29
header so um you know we're we're looking at trying to do that but then we
58:33
would have to pay the cost for putting the adapter and and do all that stuff
58:36
but um that's really what it comes down to is it's literally right now that if
58:41
we saw more chassis now the argument
58:44
could be said well you know if if we do it maybe on higher ards maybe like Pro
58:48
and above it's probably going to go into a chassis where there's more than enough
58:52
space between where the board sits and where the hard drive Cas are the hard
58:55
drive count on that right yeah but that's the hard part right is that we
58:59
kind of have to balance that out um so I think for me I'd rather do kind of the Q
59:04
connector kind of thing I think people would be okay with that um so I think
59:07
that's probably the direction we're moving closer towards than seeing the
59:11
the usb3 header actually go right angle and there is also a little bit there is
59:15
a little bit of actually signal Integrity issues that when you turn it
59:18
actually to the right angle um that you can actually change a little bit of some
59:22
of the layout topology and stuff like that and since we don't want to have to go rework the entire board from that
59:27
perspective um right you know it makes a little bit more sense to save the work
59:30
that we've already done okay so let's talk Devil's Canyon um are we going to
59:36
see I mean I already know the answer to this but this is a question from um
59:40
Fabian are we going to see Devil's Canyon CPUs work on your z97 boards are
59:46
we going to see them work on your Z87 boards so this is a tricky topic um so
59:53
I'll I'll give you guys as much information as I can on this point sure
59:56
um Intel requires what's called Mei
59:59
compliance for certain CPUs so there is
60:03
um you guys kind of know the option ROM right the option ROM on a Serial at
60:06
controller like on the Intel motherboards right so that's like the
60:09
firmware for the SATA controller and sometimes when new chipsets come out
60:13
there's actually new Option R right well the same thing when a new chipset comes
60:16
out there's new MEI firmware generally corresponding to that CPU so technically
60:21
to support the new doubles Canyon CPUs you have to excuse me you have to
60:26
running the new MEI firmware so believe it's 9.1 Mei firmware so all z97
60:31
motherboards have that but for Z87
60:35
they're running on an older Mei firmware so you will actually have to backport
60:39
that Mei firmware block to those boards now we've done some internal testing
60:43
already um and we have been able to
60:46
actually backport this um but as to you know what the time frame may be for us
60:51
to formally roll this out or whether we will formally roll that out I can't
60:55
state that at this time we're still evaluating because there's also a
60:58
concern that um we've talked about this I think last time with AMD where there's
61:03
always a little bit of trickiness when you backport new CPUs to an older
61:07
chipset and you make the ufi or the BIOS
61:10
uh compatible for that you don't want it to break the overall performance or the
61:14
interoperability compatibility for the old CPU platform right because we have
61:18
to overall favor the majority of people that have the old CPU versus the new CPU
61:22
because most users I mean statistically on that old chipset aren't going to
61:26
upgrade to a new CPU but they may go out there and they may download that new
61:32
UB 4.6 or 4.7 and it maybe brings down
61:35
their overhead a little bit because you know there's different codebase and
61:39
different that running around in there um we try not to do that so our rule of thumb is we try to keep the performance
61:44
for the previous CPU the same or within a 5% margin if it doesn't adhere to that
61:49
then it's something that we might not do and then there's also still uh there is
61:53
also resource limitations and things like that as you guys know there's another chipset that I can't talk about
61:57
but it's coming down later down the pipe so this is all just about a managed
62:01
resource but I think our track record has been pretty good in this regard so
62:05
um as soon as I have more information on what'll happen specifically for Z87 you
62:09
guys will definitely know I will make sure to let you guys know as far as how
62:12
that works out um but right now guaranteed 100% support is exclusive to
62:17
z97 all right so what I'd like to do is guys we're going to thank everyone for
62:22
sending in their Q&A questions for JJ thanks J for answering them but hold on
62:27
I'm not quite done with you yet JJ cuz I'd love for you to hang around with us
62:30
for one more topic that isn't a Q&A but
62:34
this is something that I have personally bitched to you about and uh now I may be
62:40
getting my way I'm extremely excited and I would love to hear your thoughts on
62:45
the rumor that Intel's upcoming zons
62:51
including some pretty crazy like 18 core
62:54
skes made be unlocked or even water
62:59
cooling optimized which has implications that I'm sure are fairly obvious to you
63:03
for enthusiasts and this was posted originally on the Forum by Luca doesn't
63:08
look like he wants to answer Luca P so
63:12
um let's uh let's oh yeah and the original article was from Hardware
63:17
bot.org sounds interesting to me that's about
63:21
all I can say oh come on
63:26
I wasn't expecting more than that to be honest sounds interesting to me you know
63:31
uh um you know but I I will preface this
63:34
I will preface this the uh there's always a lot of interesting things that
63:38
comes about on the interwebs as you guys know and your guys's forums is a hot bed
63:42
for a lot of this stuff circulating around and people discussing it no at
63:47
all and um you know some of it is sometimes true and some of it's not true
63:51
you know but even around like the upcoming Devil's Canyon there's been a
63:54
lot of supposed communication and validation at what people perceived to
63:58
be truths that were existing before in the community and they think that all of
64:01
a sudden um there's been changes that all of a sudden has somehow aligned with
64:05
these truths that they think existed about older CPUs and uh are going to be
64:10
um all of a sudden I guess proven true uh for uh the refresh Bas CPUs and you
64:15
know all things will come in time as far as you'll see the way things work out um
64:19
but you know like like it is all things will come in time right so that didn't
64:22
sound like a denial you know I I can't like I said I wish I could say more but
64:28
just have to keep have to keep it tuned right you know and I'm sure the moment
64:32
that something is confirmed and validated they're gonna find out from
64:35
you guys because you guys are great about giving everybody that information all right well I'll tell you
64:40
what JJ without you having to confirm or deny anything first of all thank you
64:45
very much for coming on the show it was an absolute pleasure to have you on
64:48
again and second of all just like okay
64:51
just just like the conversation I had with NVIDIA where I was was swapping
64:56
emails with my PR contact at like 3 in the morning um where I I sent out of the
65:01
blue I'm just like you know Shield two rumors are starting to float around and
65:05
you know we're hearing screen resolution this we're hearing that obviously the
65:09
CPUs or the GPU whatever you want to call it I could really piss Invidia off
65:14
and call it an APU um obviously that's been pretty much
65:19
ready for a while so um I sent this email I'm like hey make sure I'm on the
65:24
top of the list for a shield to and he's just sent back LOL but that was all the
65:29
response I needed I just made it sure he heard me JJ man make sure that if any of
65:34
this if any of this Enthusiast grade multicore overclocking unlock stuff
65:39
happens whatever board you guys have that is the very best one whether that's
65:43
a WS or whatever else please make sure that I'm on the top of the list top of
65:48
the list man you guys you guys are always on the top of my list you guys are
65:52
great should we all should we all like kind of hug and kiss before we say bye
65:57
well we need two I'm not even trying to get one we need two it's all good you
66:00
know we we got a healthy Bromance going on it's all right you know I think we're
66:03
all comfortable here you got to get us two of those boards if they exist
66:07
because he's going to steal one and I need to Benchmark it I don't even care
66:11
personally I can I cannot take it home that's fine he's going to take it home
66:16
so I need another one for testing you know I will give you one thing uh it's
66:20
something I actually I wrote about it on the pcdiy site that uh that I handled
66:24
the confit for and but I think it's like a little bit lone fact I don't know if
66:27
you guys already kind of found out about it um but since I couldn't give you a
66:31
confirm or deny about what you guys asked about um a lot of people have been
66:35
asking about the Swift um one of the really cool things I can tell you for
66:38
the Swift is you know the Swift you guys know all the new specs it'll have but
66:42
one of the new functions it also be it will be the first 3D Vision 2560 enabled
66:47
panel so you'll be able to uh game an actually at 3D resolutions Beyond 1080
66:51
so that's at least something maybe you guys didn't know about kind of cool I
66:55
did not I don't like 3D I know you don't
66:59
like 3D but some people do and you haven't tried it with a low persistence
67:04
backlight monitor have you that's true no I haven't so this should this could
67:07
be very interesting I've tried the light boost hack though all right so thank you
67:10
very much JJ and uh we will hopefully
67:14
have you on again I guess in another year when another oh no because we're
67:17
going to you can neither confirm nor deny that we're going to have another
67:21
chipset sooner than that but uh why don't we all agree that we're g to we're
67:25
going to reconvene sooner than a year from now yeah I definitely will say
67:29
sooner than a year from now we can reconvene and uh if any of your guys
67:33
have um any any questions that they want
67:36
answered that I didn't answer um you can tell them they can post in the Forum
67:40
I'll I'll jump back in there a little bit later tonight and I I'll more than
67:43
happy to answer anybody's questions that's fantastic all right thanks JJ and
67:47
uh thanks to uh thanks to all of our viewers if you guys want to just let JJ
67:51
know give him a big old uh you know thanks JJ in the twitch chat or on
67:56
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it's a collaborative effort between me and Logan and some other guys
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potentially and they are going to be our presenting sponsor for it we're going to
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be talking about potentially another cool ASUS gaming laptop and it is going
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to be absolutely like bat crap crazy
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expect that to happen around the end of June but in the meantime g750 JZ is what
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I would consider to be about as good as it gets for a desktop replacement
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without getting into that unreasonable size where it just doesn't really make
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any sense anymore and the battery life isn't that good like with this with the
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750 JZ I can get through almost two full W shows on one charge in spite of the
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fact that it is a gaming notebook and if I am gaming obviously battery light's
76:58
not as good but I can get performance that is pretty close to what you could
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do on a modern generation desktop and actually probably about the same as what
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you could do on a last gen high performance gaming desktop with a single
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GPU Enthusiast grade GPU you know what we should do you know how we make like
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Techquickie commercials for different companies every once a while hold on so thanks ASUS for sponsoring the W show
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and providing us with these awesome laptops to use while we broadcast to you
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guys it's like pretty cool of them it's nice cu my last one barely works anymore
77:27
um we should make a like Tech cookie style commercial thing for Jay-Z laptops
77:32
but we should make it where it's a rap battle featuring lonus and lonus has to
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like go through these it's it's kind of like the Pokemon League but in rap
77:42
battle form so you have to like beat all these different rap battle trainer
77:47
people and they all have like different styles and you have to make your way
77:50
through it and then when you win you get a Jay-Z laptop okay oh hey guys oh sorry
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sorry sorry totally totally off topic I've got um I've got our what on Earth
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where is it okay well okay anyway um back to the back to the modus giveaway
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really quickly here just screen share me um the first draw is in half an hour so
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guys seriously legitimately go check it out go like the page right now and
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you'll be entered to win a stick and find so that's that little Bluetooth sticker that Luke and I used for that
78:20
fun little video we did where we played hide the sausage so guys seriously like
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just go there now and go click it because otherwise um I will have to eat
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grul for several weeks and I don't think
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you would want that twitch chat liked my idea they what was your idea oh I hate
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your idea your idea is stupid why you
78:39
your your idea is bad and you should feel bad I want to see you rap battle
78:43
you want to see me rap battle Yeah do you yeah I do actually oh
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boy and yet you don't want to make a foot flick music video okay okay so last
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show you guys I brought up the foot flick thing about how every nerd knows
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how to do the foot flick so they don't yank Ethernet cables and Destroy devices
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so I was saying we should do like a really quick kind of tech tips video on
79:05
like everyone should know how to do the foot flick this is how you do the foot
79:09
flick and his reaction was awesome but
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let's make it a music video do the foot
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flick oh do the foot flick so making like new dance moves but
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part of the foot flick is you got to flick your foot back so hard that you
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fall forward yeah so the whole thing's going to have to be like this it
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couldn't be the same person every time like the idea is that like what like
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we'd have like one cable during the chorus and like one person would walk by
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and like do the foot flick and they'd like like roll past it and then like the
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next person come by do the foot flick and if you can't do the foot flick
79:42
you're going to be in trouble you're going to be on the ground on the double
79:46
and then like someone Falls see I would love to see you in a rap battle I think
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you could do it oh I love it I
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definitely think you could do it so are we yeah I don't know we got to do
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something with the foot flick okay whatever it ends up being we will we
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will do something with the foot flick I cannot promise H nor threaten that it
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will be a rap battle or a music video but it will definitely be something all
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right speaking of things that are definitely something this is cool I mean
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we don't we don't often just find um you
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know like a little small PC announcement
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and sort of make a big deal about it on the W show unless it's a product that we
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think is like really really different and this is still just an all-in-one
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mini piece or not allinone pardon me uh is still just a Mini PC but look at it
80:35
this is the ZBOX sphere and what it is
80:39
is it is a tiny PC like it's it's a okay
80:43
this isn't giving you guys much of an idea of the scale here so this was posted on the Forum by
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4960x seriously people who put like
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years in their usernames or like indiv idual products and their usernames you
80:56
guys got to forward think a little bit more anyway it's it's about this big I
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saw it first at CES but this thing's got a core i5 processor in it and is a full
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computer in the size of a sphere and you know what they deserve some attention
81:11
for this for trying to think out literally outside the box
81:16
oh no you don't want to do that are you sweaty it's nastyy okay well the point
81:21
is they're thinking outside the box in much the same way that apple is getting
81:24
so much attention for but who else is going to pay attention to Zotac for
81:28
doing something a little bit different other than us so I've requested a review
81:32
sample of that I do want to tell you guys more about it I think it's really
81:36
cool uh you basically Twist Off The Top for toolless upgrades it takes a 2 and 1
81:41
half inch SSD an MSA SSD and two sodium
81:45
modules and uh yeah I think that is pretty darn cool speaking of things that
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aren't pretty darn cool oh yeah what is
81:54
what like what so this was posted on the Forum by Neils Kik and the original
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article is from tweakers.net and basically Google sent out a letter that
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was discovered by The Wall Street Journal thank you Wall Street Journal for being cool um this letter was sent
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to the Securities and Exchange Commission back in December arguing that they don't have to specify their
82:13
revenues on mobile ads and one of the arguments that they brought up is that
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it's difficult to indicate um mobile
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devices because as the definition keeps on changing like it's difficult to pin
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down what exactly is a mobile device so they use possible future examples such
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as fridges thermostats glasses and
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watches but the problem here is that even though Google hasn't talked or even
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indicated that they have any plans of implementing ads on any of those kinds
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of devices it shows that they're thinking
82:51
about it like how annoying would that be on something like a watch where you have
82:56
such cover the whole screen limited real estate where it's like or or okay but
83:01
let's let's move away from sort of the watches we have today and kind of go
83:05
okay what about the watch of tomorrow where it has a holographic display or whatever else could we be looking at a
83:10
situation where you like are expected to look past an ad or like if you look at
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it at the wrong angle there's like an ad in your face yeah probably and it's
83:20
frustrating because this brings up the thing that we've talked about before too which is where you totally buy a device
83:25
and then that person that you bought the device from serves you ads which is
83:29
crazy frustrating okay speaking of so anyway
83:33
that's that's just it was a very brief discussion topic there speaking of uh
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buying a device and then having the rug
83:40
completely pulled out from under you LG has uh LG guys not cool like not cool
83:48
what's going on here and as much as uh noir's original post about this is super
83:54
lame it just says silly LG and then is a uh and then is a link to the original
83:58
Source here that is not how we do things Noir um still I actually am not sure
84:05
what else I could have said about it so the original article is from teer.com
84:08
and basically what happened is this gentleman didn't want to roll out an
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update to his 2-year-old TV that would
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change the privacy policy in such a way
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that he wasn't comfortable with so what LG reason sorry with good reason with
84:26
good reason so what LG oh yeah okay so what what it said was yeah when you use
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live plus we may share certain viewing information device information and basic
84:34
usage information with third parties for advertising and analytics purposes and
84:39
enable the provision of information relevant to what you are
84:43
viewing um to third V thir party vendors
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that LG Electronics May engage to provide services on his behalf from time to time such as to collect payment for
84:50
Content you purchase or to fulfill customer service requests or to provide advertising services
84:55
basically the guy was like yeah no that's not cool so LG basically goes
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okay well you can either accept it or you cannot use the smart TV features of
85:06
your smart TV that you bought and it's not like he can just take it back to the
85:10
store at this point to 2-year-old TV that's about from Costco even Costco
85:14
doesn't take back 2-year-old TVs anymore I think it's a three-month limit now
85:19
wow I can't even begin to understand how
85:24
how they feel like this is okay I mean it's and they definitely do because it's
85:28
very plainly written yes that that's going to happen it's part of their
85:32
policy that they can just not if you if
85:35
you refuse to accept the the usage changes and you know what they're not
85:39
the only ones who have covered their butts in such a way that you know they
85:45
could just change anything at any time and you would just have to deal with it
85:48
I just feel like guys when we hear about things like this we have a
85:53
responsibility to not support the guys
85:56
who are if nothing else even if everyone
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has this as part of their policy we can choose not to support the ones that are
86:04
enforcing it and at least make the ones
86:07
that aren't enforcing it kind of look at what's going on and go oh okay well
86:12
let's keep not enforcing let's keep not enforcing that because otherwise we are
86:16
going to back ourselves into a corner where we are just going to have no
86:19
choice and we're not going to have another option I've never really been interested in Smart TVs because I find
86:24
that honestly most of them are junk anyways they truly are um so I wouldn't
86:29
have bought one anyways but this makes it so that if I had to I would
86:32
specifically not buy an LG one CU again
86:36
we have to try and vote with our wallets it rarely seems to work but if we can
86:40
try again that would be fantastic yeah if we could just try that again that
86:45
would be that would be great thanks all right so big news this week
86:52
and I would love for you guys to to let's do like just a general Twitter
86:56
Blitz Q&A we're getting pretty close to the end of the show and if you could
86:59
specifically let me know because I have
87:03
zero marketing support from Microsoft I
87:06
don't know a single person in PR or their PR firm so for me to review the
87:11
surface 3 I'm going to straight up have to buy it so if you guys can let me know
87:16
like are you is some CU I don't need another laptop got g750 j-z Yo anyway uh
87:23
I don't need another laptop so if someone is like yeah I would totally buy
87:27
that off youus without you having to take a huge hit on it uh or if you guys
87:31
are like look this is totally worth the ,200 or so dollars you're going to have
87:35
to spend on a medium spec one to really yeah I know it's a lot of money to and
87:39
we really need you to review this we really need you to talk about this guys
87:42
let me know how important this is to you but basically here it is uh the Verge
87:47
was at the launch event they've got some pictures of it here and this looks like
87:51
what I pretty much asked for back when they launched the original surface and
87:56
the Surface RT it is thinner the
87:59
keyboard implementation is better so they've got a backlit uh type cover now
88:04
that actually mounts to the screen in a in a different way so you can actually
88:07
Fold It Up flat and then lay it against it so that it angles up a little bit at
88:12
the same time um the touchpad is bigger
88:15
on the type cover what they what they've effectively done is they've made it
88:19
while the battery life is still not quite there it's about 8 hours which is
88:24
pretty good but when you compare that to what is it 13 hours on the MacBook
88:28
Air it it apple is like ah I just I want
88:33
someone to beat them batteries are holding everything back everywhere batteries are holding everything back so
88:36
anyway the point is they have pretty much delivered what I asked for when
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they first launched this device a longer battery um great power consumption it's
88:46
thinner it's beautiful it's more functional and it legitimately replaces
88:52
both the tablet and the note book in a way that the original just couldn't do
88:56
because the changes they've made to the kickstand allow it instead of just
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locking into a position or two uh they it uses a friction mount to go anywhere
89:04
from 22 to 150° so you can sit the thing
89:07
up in your lap and still have it be supported well enough that you can use
89:10
it that way or you can lay it down flat and write on it with a
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256 pressure layer or um pressure level
89:20
uh stylus and you can really use it in in every Poss possible way apparently
89:25
the front facing speakers sound great this is a real drawback of many devices
89:30
out there that I just feel like do a crappy job of implementing audio and I'm
89:34
glad to see someone other than HTC taking front-facing speakers and how
89:37
important they are seriously and like honestly guys it's faster it just looks
89:42
like one seriously cool device I really like that raise up that you can do on
89:46
the typ cover I hope it actually this is what I'm talking about right here doesn't make it kind of flex down a lot
89:50
while you're typing cuz that would not be very good I don't know this is the kind of thing that I'd really like to
89:55
there's a close-up of the hinge this is all from The Verge this is how you can lay it all the way down flat pretty much
89:59
so you can draw in it um it's it's
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really clean looking so that surface branding on the back of it is pretty
90:07
much all you see it apparently does get a little bit warm in use I actually like
90:11
this placement of the Windows button right here rather than the bottom one
90:14
because when I sit and use a tablet or even a notebook I'm using my hands or a
90:21
hand and this is as good or better
90:26
always than down here yeah yeah yeah yeah where it's more of a like you like
90:30
grab something and you're liable to accidentally press it as often as press
90:35
it on purpose so uh let's let's do that
90:39
Twitter Blitz shall we guys we want to hear from you I feel bad we don't I feel
90:42
like we don't do enough Twitter interaction on this show anymore but we just have so much stuff to talk about um
90:48
Captain cake says buy one review it and return it okay that is a good suggestion
90:52
but there is an issue with that and that's that if something goes wrong and
90:56
we like you know we scratch it or something then we're in a pretty we're
91:00
in a pretty bad situation um someone says they' rather see us check out the
91:04
Lenovo X1 Carbon so that's from Ryan Jenkins Greg says it's really cool but I
91:09
don't think the audience would be interested enough well that's the point of this Twitter Blitz Let's uh let's
91:13
find out what the audience thinks about this actually speaking of uh the audience there were a couple of things
91:18
that I had in here that I wanted a um uh
91:23
a straw p okay one straw pole Luke can you create a straw pole on the infinex
91:28
so that was that omnidirectional treadmill we looked at before versus
91:31
augmented reality which one you would be more excited about if you could have a
91:35
full setup of either of them for the same price let's say and it supported
91:39
all the same games so infin infinitec VR versus infinitec AR versus no just AR
91:46
like running around out and about uh okay so let's keep Twitter blitzing here
91:50
guys someone says don't buy it my Seuss TB 100 performs probably just as good if
91:55
you can borrow it do that of course but it's not worth your own money Delon yeah
91:59
I I know you want it guys by the way this is the Delon who you can do two
92:05
things for one of two things you can either thank him for being the one who
92:09
does the wow table of contents or you can troll him for being the one who
92:14
makes the occasional mistake in the wow table of contents but huge shout out to
92:18
delans because without him the wo takes a lot longer for us to get up because by
92:23
the end of Friday Luke and I are just exhausted and going
92:27
back and rewatching the show that we just broadcast and like creating a table
92:32
of contents for it is not real high on our list of things that we like super
92:36
awesomely want to do and delans was actually the one who came up with the
92:40
idea of doing uh a condensed table of contents and then the super detailed one
92:44
that you guys can find topic by topic what interests you the most hey twitch
92:49
decided to allow me to be a mod again oh cool that's cool it wasn't this entire
92:53
stream so far I would like to see the new Surface but wouldn't be the end of
92:56
the world if I didn't get one okay all right lower your dongers because the
93:00
mods are perab Banning for flexing dongers the surface looks great don't
93:05
have the money now so much better than terrible Windows 8.1 is still a real
93:09
challenge for me um like I still you know issues man you know what it is 95
93:16
98% of the time I'm 100% okay with it
93:19
but then when I'm actually in a hurry to get something done and I swipe off the
93:24
side of my touchpad accidentally when I'm just trying to move the
93:29
mouse it it really drives me up the wall
93:33
it really does in a way that I can't even rationally
93:37
justify but and like when I AC when I
93:41
when I fire up a new pc and I go to listen to a song or look at a picture
93:46
and it opens that garbage modern UI application that is just less hurdles to
93:51
jump through worthless I just it just I
93:54
just go and they have to sit and wait for it to launch and they're so slow
93:59
they really slow they're slow to launch and it's just I know it's only a few
94:02
seconds and this is a total first world problem and it's stupid but it's not
94:06
slow to launch the desktop app but it's not slow to launch the desktop app we're
94:09
solving a problem that we never had anyway uh yes please do it says
94:15
Sebastian isn't it funny how you care more about the way your case interior
94:18
looks and the way your watch looks what's wrong with my watch yeah really I
94:22
like this watch actually a lot of of people have asked me about this is a cojito smartwatch I haven't spent much
94:27
time with the app yet so don't run out and buy them just because I'm wearing it yet I will let you guys know what I
94:31
think of it but I've had a lot of people compliment me on this watch to be
94:35
perfectly honest um more people than the
94:38
pebble with the pebble people are like what is that with this one people are
94:41
like oh what's that yeah 0.01 cares about Microsoft
94:48
Hardware hash just get Aus to build
94:51
it uh it would be really nice if you review the Surface Pro 3 already
94:55
considered buying it buying the Surface Pro 2 okay uh someone an says review a
95:00
base Surface three that's an interesting angle where we go okay here is the
95:06
starting point because I think most everyone else is going to be looking at high-end or mid-range configurations
95:11
whereas if we go okay no we're going to do like a really good review of so this
95:14
is the Surface three by the way you can also get these things by way you buy the
95:17
high models go go look at other people's reviews if you want to know what like
95:20
the cor i7 one performs like that's interesting it's not a bad idea it also
95:25
save you some money Ashley okay you were doing pretty well in this tweet up till
95:29
the bit about putting 10 GB Ethernet on the surface for I don't think that's
95:33
going to happen so good did we just did
95:36
we just lose a hockey game to the fins is that the joke here what's going on in
95:40
the world championships I haven't actually looked at it in the last couple days I don't think we did last
95:47
night pretty sure we didn't lose last night oh World Championships yeah world
95:52
championships hockey I I don't know I haven't haven't been paying that wanting
95:56
team to F Coach Dave tippet thought that
95:59
yeah no they beat the fins yeah screw you guys um okay I have the pro two it's
96:05
awesome reveal the pro three says bebs kadoo who is my my favorite whatever you
96:12
are cool guy favorite dude the sa the
96:16
surface is the one to review go for it okay so looks like people straight up
96:20
really want me to check out the surface 3 okay I'm going to I'm going to order
96:23
one today okay I'll order one and uh you know if someone wants to you know buy it
96:28
off of us on the garage sale I can promise you there will be a bit of a
96:31
deal but it might not be a lot cheaper than uh you know than a surface 3 that
96:36
uh you buy new but it'll be in great condition I'll take really good care of
96:39
it to the best of my ability here guys
96:42
um Zach Janice says why not just get a convertible notebook you know what it's
96:46
a great question and uh I was using a Del X ps12 for a long time which is a
96:51
convertible notebook the reason would say that a surface 3 might make sense is
96:56
that a convertible notebook is not a tablet whereas a surface 3 is a tablet
97:03
but it also has so much more capability
97:07
than a tablet because of the kickstand because of the stylus because of the
97:12
ability to add these keyboard accessories that are well implemented
97:15
and not cluggy I also find that this tablet is going to be a lot thinner and
97:19
smaller over it's much thinner much lighter so there are real reasons why
97:23
surface makes sense Beyond uh or instead
97:27
of a convertible notebook uh apparently the I5 model comes out two months sooner
97:31
than the others so I guess we might end up just uh hitting that one I guess
97:36
Philip says yeah yeah I'll definitely take it after you review it all right fair enough oh we've got people asking
97:41
about the modus sweep Stakes or geek Stakes excuse me I think the draw is in
97:45
eight minutes unless it was at nine shoot I'm uh dirty I think I'm at a bit
97:50
of a loss here okay well either way guys go back every weekday and make sure that
97:54
you go uh that you go check that out and thanks again to modus for sponsoring our
97:58
show today uh have you seen the metal
98:02
metag glasses space glasses for AR no I haven't but we don't click links on uh
98:06
on Twitter on the wow anymore after some bad
98:09
experiences I don't think that's the best still grab of uh luk ever
98:14
no okay so that's about it setting aside
98:18
the money Nintendo and Sony has what
98:21
would be the ups and downs of Nintendo
98:24
straight up buying
98:28
PlayStation I'd be down with Nintendo buying PlayStation they won't at all for
98:32
sure because I mean the thing is that it's not in their like model at
98:36
all the thing that I think
98:39
people need to get about Nintendo is
98:43
that they're not having trouble right now because they can't build a build a
98:48
powerful gaming console or because they can't pursue the whole third party trip
98:53
well okay they are having trouble pursuing third party triaa gaming titles but it's because of the different
98:59
approach that they believe in pursuing
99:03
with you know multiple screens and different controller schemas and all
99:07
that kind of stuff it's not like Nintendo doesn't know how to build a
99:11
brick with controllers plugged into it um so they wouldn't buy PlayStation for
99:16
the sake of the innovation of PS4 being
99:19
a brick with controllers yeah wirelessly connected to it
99:24
being pluged into wireless controllers all we modes so I just think straight up
99:29
Nintendo just wouldn't even be interested even if they could afford it
99:33
nope I don't think so either like at all and I'm okay with that I think Wii U and
99:37
I think 2DS 3DS deserves a lot more attention and a lot more respect than it
99:41
gets cuz honestly 2DS 3DS is really fun
99:46
they're integrated super well that's another thing people don't understand is
99:49
everyone everyone will complain for days when Battlefield doesn't work off the
99:54
bat and tight Titanfall is not very well optimized for PC off the bat and there's
99:58
like all these problems all over the place but then when every single
100:03
Nintendo game like ever works completely
100:06
flawlessly out of the box as far as I can think of off the top of my head uh
100:11
no one seems to really care I have a Wii U and I have a 2DS they're both
100:15
absolutely fantastic whenever anyone comes over we often end up playing Wii U
100:19
because PC games are great but they're great when your buddy is still at his
100:22
house or you're landing and that's actually kind of difficult to kind do
100:26
all the time um so yeah I don't I don't know I don't know I think they deserve a
100:31
lot more attention than they get I mean speaking of of uh of their games all
100:34
working flawlessly the gam spy serers shutting down was a bit of a problem
100:39
recently for DS owners who still want to play Mario Kart Wii owners who still
100:43
want to play their games but that was brutal there's some good news out of all
100:46
of this as well this was originally posted by Bonsai 99 on the Forum and
100:51
here's a post from bungie.net Halo
100:55
PC Combat Evolved and custom Edition
100:59
there's a new patch so the GameSpy servers went down
101:05
so you weren't going to be able to even look for online servers because the the
101:10
server list server is gone so some dude
101:13
in the community coded a new server list Bungie put up some of their own servers
101:17
to host this stuff and things are rolling again one of the big things in
101:21
the new patch was they did a bunch of small bug fixes so essentially the game
101:25
should have died this month and Bungie was just like nope here's patches fixing
101:30
things here patch is bringing the servers back you guys are good to go and
101:35
that's awesome that's super cool like so
101:38
much more respect for bung so like it's fixing things like upper boundary on
101:43
video resolution fixing things like they're even fixing they fixed active
101:48
camo on NVIDIA cards like they're even
101:51
fixing like graphical stuff never mind
101:54
crashes or like oh man that so cool
101:58
there was a bunch of different members of the community that brought up some of these bugs and like different ways that
102:03
they could fix it and whatnot and then that guy in the community coded this
102:06
list and people I know people are going to come back and be like oh well they
102:09
kept it up because like strong Community Focus and the community kind of fixed
102:13
everything for them doesn't matter this happens all the time yeah there's super
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dedicated people in so many different communities it's insane that ask really
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nicely really allowed to fix it yeah exactly yeah this
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happens all the time it just it took Bungie to actually accept this help and
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actually do it and then thank those people which I think is really cool I think this is just like the the coolest
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most like feeling happy like gaming news
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that like I I just I want to go buy a copy I want to go back and play Halo I
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just want to go buy a copy and like play the heck out of it go play through the
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single player we should like I've wanted to do this a long time okay you know
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what guys you got to let us know you got us let us you got to let us know
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um if we did a very small land event in
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Vancouver would you guys be down to help us cover the costs it would be a very
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small land event and it wouldn't be like at my house or anything so we would have
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to actually get a venue so it might not be that cheap no um but would you guys
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be down to come and hang with us I have to say I haven't played much in the way
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of video games in the last little while and I firmly believe that a land is only
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fun as long as everyone is on the same page and playing the same game so we
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would publish a games list and we would expect people to come and play those
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games and have fun and eat some snacks but would you guys be down to come to
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something like that even if it was like fullon Nazi mode anyone opens wow at
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this land we will literally have him
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pick you up pick up your computer and throw both of you out the door we'll
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bring my brother too just yeah we'll bring your brother too just in case we need some more like thug muscle but
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there you go guys would you be down to come let us know on Twitter I'm not
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going to Blitz it right now but I will definitely check it out later and I'd
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love to see the results of that straw pole that we were that we created before
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so here no no I'm just going to we'll switch over to you here so in was having
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an issue on Firefox but I've got it up
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in Chrome way to be straw pole okay so here we go I did allow multiple votes I
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did allow multiple votes that's how it's going to be so I made it so that people
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could vote for multiple things and a lot of people still just decided to vote for
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one thing and that was the lonus rap battle I I got after you for posting
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like banana and all this other crap and all of our polls so I was like you know
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what whatever I can do it too so lus rap battle wins with 70% of the votes um and
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then the rest of it got almost no votes
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this isn't even like statistically significant not even close so both the
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other options got under 20% I hate you infinitec VR coming in at
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177% and AR not even getting 15% coming
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in at 13% personally I vote for AR running around um but infinite de VR
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would be awesome as well and I think the
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nice smooth experience would probably come first to in infinitec VR style
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gaming right because being able to actively render things in ai ai really
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really well and on the flying stuff I think is not really going to happen for a little while now it's at 69% that's
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perfect all right well on that uh on
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that completely mature and uh you know
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sophisticated note thank you guys very much for tuning in to the WAN Show we'll
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see you guys again next week and uh I
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I'll probably I don't think I'm going to do a garage sale today but I'll come
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back and stream for a couple minutes but then I got to go get the uh got to go
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get the baby so good stuff all
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right seriously you got to pull the thing up way to go well if I
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oh we just had uh talk 46 message us and let us know that the Mario Kart Wii
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Community also managed to create C custom server something well it's a
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tweet so I don't know that the grammar is necessarily correct but there you go
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so that's pretty cool yeah
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o