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the mic's in kind of a random position but uh you know what whatever guys you

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know the funny thing about technical difficulties is that sometimes you're

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looking for these complicated Solutions because we've had so many problems on

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this show in the past with like capture

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cards being at the wrong settings and like you know like here here just like

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funny stupid stuff like this where outputting over HDMI from a laptop by

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the way you know big thanks to ASUS g750jz sponsor of the laptop laptop of

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the show all that good stuff so you output over a laptop over HDMI which in

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theory is a 1080p 60 htz signal but on

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our capture card you don't set a

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progressive input you set

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59.97 interlaced it's just like stuff that

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unless you're some kind of savant you

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can't possibly be expected to know and so we've done enough trial and error

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with this stuff that when something doesn't work and I go oh no my laptop

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capture is not working okay let's try all the HS and try all the like I'm

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going to I'm going to grab like tables and adapters laptops get yeah grab grab

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like you know half a dozen different laptops and like the weird like adapters

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that you made by putting together multiple adapters and then it turns out

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someone stepped on the blanking cable

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and p pulled it out of the capture card over on the other end which I can't see

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so that is why we're late I am terribly sorry guys you deserve the very best

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from us and uh we we were we were late

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today we are trying to we're trying to be better about all that stuff but we

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are human or are we nope spoiler alert

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spoiler alert and it was revealed later on in

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the show that actually they were livestock

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I was going to do a sheep now I don't know what to do you could go with cow I

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don't want to go with cow just cuz you've been losing weight lately doesn't

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mean that you uh don't have to make the cow noise Make the cow noise make it

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no speaking of speaking of paying people to do things and basically owning their

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souls um you guys we did the most

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unusual sponsor integration ever for

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fractal design on fast as possible that video will be up tonight as long as

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Taran finishes editing it before he has to go to a wedding over there and uh let

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me tell you guys it is something a little bit different and yes indeed

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thank you twitch chat sheep is only a

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word nothing more than that in fact if

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we break it down even further sheep is nothing but five letters series of

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characters all right and the W show is just a series of top topics that are

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technology and gaming and all that great stuff so we've got a few interesting

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things this week number one is hover

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bikes are evidently an actual thing

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there is a hover bike it is going into production you can pre-order

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one also the infinitec could be a more

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elegant omnidirectional treadmill solution compared to the virtuix Omni

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which we have checked out but there are going to be some challenges so we'll

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talk to you guys more about that after um l oh I'll let you talk it's all good

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either way LG is going to be well they already did update their P privacy

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policy so that essentially you have to share everything or get nothing we'll

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talk more about that later and Bungie has done the hero move and saved Halo

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Combat Evolved and custom Edition and we'll talk about that later as well they

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are so cool yeah I Prett much love that I want their boots just so that I can

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lick them so you don't necessarily have to be

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in boots no no okay

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one and only JJ from ASUS and huge thanks to ASUS for providing us with

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these g750 jzs that we Ed for the WAN

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show here it was almost I was almost in a bit of an awkward position where I was

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I was like maybe it's the laptop's fault that I can't output and screen share and

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I was like oh that's going to be like really really awkward if I have to say

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that but it wasn't so now Y no

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awkwardness I get to talk about the Rock Solid heart touching reliability of

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the HDMI output on this notebook and I don't have to stress out about that

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other stuff I'm sorry did it touch your heart oh it definitely touched me you

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emotionally happy I don't know about the heart it does kind of touch you actually

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it does touch me quite intimately and it it it it it touches my junk yep it

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touches my junk and I'm okay with that because it actually doesn't run that hot

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yeah yeah that's true for a gaming notebook I'm surprisingly okay with it's

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just like a nice comfortable warm

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yeah having warm junk is not a bad thing

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so we both comfortably spoon our

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notebooks our notebooks the W show well no for us to call it spooning we'd have

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to like kind of turn them around and just really bad for usability sit like

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this with them yeah but there you know what if I had a criticism of ASUS's

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latest gaming notebook reach round is not very easy doesn't

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work reach round is very difficult to manage oh you need to make it so that

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the keyboard can pop out and then swivel around yeah so you can type backwards

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the funny thing about ASUS is they have so many different notebooks that they like probably have one like that

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like the taichi it's got screens on both

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sides yes perfect okay there we go oh I

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love it what the hell are we even talking about I don't know spooning

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laptops spooning laptops no we have an actual show to can you just stay focused

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for 5 minutes I guess I mean like jeez

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man twitch chat is uh not working for me so unfortunately I can't chat with you

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guys maybe it's because I got signed out for some reason I'm just going to go

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ahead and sign that baby back in and then let's let's let's kick off our

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first topic here you guys our first topic I believe is hover bikes hover

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bikes let's do that okay so you guys check this out this is unreal we're

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going to screen share because we can do that an advertisement oh no way long

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summer weekends are just around the corner spr check by your certified

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Service Experts no yeah it is it's twitch it's that hardcore muted but

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still doing things uh we could learn about these oh the ad goes away on its

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own that's Innovative beautiful so there

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it is you guys skip button here the world's first functional hover bike the

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Aro X and this is such a great this is such a great

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uh this is such a great tagline the aox

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lets you pretend to hover bike through the forests of Endor which it legit

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actually does so this picture is not faked in any way this isn't like the

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hover skateboard H that was so depressing with you know Christopher

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Lloyd and Tony Hawk and like all these people involved that I was just like

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what are you guys actually doing and it was like right before but not on April

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fools yeah like it wasn't April fools I

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was just like yeah this is just kind of mean to people because a lot of people

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really went for it so I I was sad for

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them um so basically this the video here

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is actually from a prototype um back in

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2012 and I don't know if we've got audio here I don't know if there's actually

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audio on this uh on this video here I'm just going to check really quick here

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yeah okay there's no audio on the video but some of the interesting stuff actually happens a little bit later so

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some of the challenges that they went through were figuring out how to counter

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the um like when you're when you're first spinning up the roers there's a

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lot of force that can cause it to that can cause the bike to to to to torque

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one way or the other they had to figure out how to counter that they had to take

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some cues from quadricopter like the parad Drone with respect to how to track

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if you're just drifting in the wind uh the idea though and this is this is the

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craziest thing about it the idea here is

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that if you ride a motorcycle you should be able to straight up get on one of

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these and ride it which as someone who can ride a

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motorcycle is like pretty exciting yeah

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so they're going pretty slow in this video but this is quite an old video oh

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yeah I saw this like years ago oh man look at this but what's cool about it is

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they're giving us some specs about the finished one so they're saying it can go

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up to 67 km an hour and up to 3.7 M High which doesn't sound

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like a ton 72 km hour sorry and up to

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3.7 met High which doesn't sound that high but think about this for a second

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uh especially the American viewers

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um 3.7 m is more than a

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story like that's more than the height of like almost pretty much the highest

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ceiling you'd ever find in a house so you would you could literally be driving

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around looking into Second Story Windows

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if something like this was ever street legal which you probably shouldn't do

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yeah and you probably shouldn't do that and the reason for forward the reason

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for the 3.7 meter height restriction is actually so that you don't get

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classified as an aircraft um in theory I guess there's no

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real reason why it couldn't go higher but like someone's going to make like

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that override going to die oh yeah it's going to be brutal like someone will die

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and then they're going to set back personal flying vehicles like 10 20

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years and it's going to be terrible you are wrecking it for us all they they

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have safety stuff too which I thought was interesting those like anti- flip

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guide rails that you saw around the side in the video um and they're thinking

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about doing stuff like replacing those or adding on airbags which I think is

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really smart that's actually either

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really smart or like just a totally bad

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idea like how do you put an airbag on a motorcycle no I think it's designed more

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like that that motorcycle helmet that's in airbag or sorry not motorcycle helmet

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but like pedal biking helmet yeah okay because it'll it'll not it'll register a

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fall and then so yeah I I think it's going to be around the sides so it could

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be more like a suit almost even or a I'm

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in freef fall and it goes like a marshmallow man from Ghostbusters on

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me it just like lets itself pop so you

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have the soft impact and then maybe you fall like a foot but it's no big deal I

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don't think you'd want it to let itself pop because the thing about crumple

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zones on cars is that they're designed to be weak but strong enough because

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like let's say Okay so let's let's think about it's not going to it's a it's a

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unless they make it foam if it's an airbag it's not going to crumple Zone

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yeah exactly so like if it popped that's like kind of like crumple Zone logic

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yeah that's why I was thinking yeah so that's like probably terrible cuz like

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depend okay depending how you're falling right yeah because if the way that you

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crash is kind of like you know the one Stormtrooper or bike trooper or whatever

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they were called you know why they had those those uh because there was an

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issue manufacturing like stormtrooper armor and so they were like oh yeah

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we'll like redesign them we'll call them like these Troopers this is all this is

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all hearsay it's not validated but that's a rumor I heard so anyway like

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the one guy who gets thrown off the bike and goes into the tree and like what I

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think was one of the most memorable Star Wars bad guy deaths actually the guy who

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like hits the tree upside down and then falls down so if that was how you like

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fell off of it like something disastrous happened you went flying off of it at 72

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km an hour you would want it to be solid

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enough yeah my only bounce more than

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like that's what I was worried about though is exactly what you just said is bouncing cuz I don't want to bounce I

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feel like that would be a terrible thing and you're just smacking something at 72

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km an hour and then going bong one way

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that you could absorb the impact without letting the air out of the device is you

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could allow the to shift around inside

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the bubble so not like fully inflated yeah so like a little bit of relax yeah

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or if you had like or if you had um you know narrower gaps internally so that

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the air can't move extremely quickly from one zone to another squeeze into

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another Zone but flow yeah then you could keep it from just bouncing off of

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trees or neither of us are Engineers Nei seems like a not terrible idea safety

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you know Rangers I thought that was super cool when they came out with the

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biking helmet that inflates it was just way too expensive if I remember

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correctly yeah it was yeah it was really expensive crazy expensive um and I don't

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even know that it was available in North America so that's I don't really think

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so it it was just like a university project not how airbags work lennice I

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know that's not how airbags work we're not talking about airbags and again

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we're not safety Engineers so like don't listen to any of that cuz none of that

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will happen we would be we would be safety fun engineers

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I think what they were talking about anyways was airbags on the side of the

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thing I like this idea from Felix r90 a

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giant laser beam that destroys everything in front of you perfect so

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you don't hit it and you never have to worry about it well because you know what that's that's why motorcyclists on

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the track can crash at you know a couple hundred kilometers an hour and actually

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be much less likely to be injured or killed than someone who crashes on the

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street going 70 80 km an hour because

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there's no obstacles I thought you were going to like cuz they're giant laser

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beams and I was like what no it's like yeah the Ducati laser beam mobile no

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because what happens is if you if you watch what happens when a motorcycle is Crash like it's still bad and you can

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still get like messed up real good but they skid on their gear they slide on

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the gear whereas when you hit a lamp post it's horrible your slide stops yeah

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I saw this GIF terrible segue but I saw this GIF of guys skateboarding and the

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one guy flies off and his skateboard goes across and takes out a few people

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one of the guys jumps off his skateboard before he gets hit by the other

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skateboard and they're going really fast so he has to like keep himself running

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but he's going too quick and he Dives and he skims right beside this pole and

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he slides like really fast right beside it and if you would have nailed right

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into it that would have been really bad did you see the uh did God did you see

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the one at the skateboarder who lands on his ass at the bottom of a of a bike

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Rail and then like lands right on the skateboard yeah and then just like rolls

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on by and the guy gives him a high five

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oh that was awesome we should just turn this whole show into meme I know we

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should just cover all the memes Ray William Johnson's not doing equals 3

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anymore I think that there is a definite Gap okay sorry guys it's not April fools

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so I shouldn't be making jokes like that we are not turning this into equals 3 no

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like equals equals when we're rebranding the show again and

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you guys will all hate it again okay let's do one more topic before we bring

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JJ on just because otherwise I feel like we're not going to get any topics done

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today infinite um yeah the infinite this

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you guys this this is um

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actually I you know what I'll let I'll let you introduce this topic um I'm

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going to fire up the video here though so that they can check this out while you talk so Omni was called a

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360° treadmill essentially but it wasn't

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really I it depends on I guess how you want to look at that but I don't really

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see it as a treadmill because you just kind of slid yeah shoes that were

00:18:00.120 --> 00:18:06.960
designed for sliding it's more like a tread cereal bowl yeah that you stand in

00:18:05.120 --> 00:18:10.520
yeah this is actually a treadmill that can actually go in 360° which is very

00:18:09.320 --> 00:18:14.520
interesting you can see they're walking on crazy angles but that's because the

00:18:12.960 --> 00:18:20.320
the Treads are moving in two different directions which allow that to be able to happen so very interesting it still

00:18:18.600 --> 00:18:26.240
has tons of the same problems that Omni has and probably even more so in the

00:18:22.360 --> 00:18:28.480
idea of it not being very easy to store

00:18:26.240 --> 00:18:32.240
uh being gigantic in general being expens being expensive difficult to

00:18:30.600 --> 00:18:36.080
manufacture difficult to manufacture all that kind of stuff um probably even more

00:18:34.320 --> 00:18:40.559
so for most of those it has tons of other issues too in terms of latency

00:18:38.400 --> 00:18:44.159
getting feedback from the game and it not reacting in time you moving in a

00:18:42.200 --> 00:18:49.000
weird way and it not reacting in time all this kind of stuff that being said

00:18:45.880 --> 00:18:50.640
it's really early on so hopefully that

00:18:49.000 --> 00:18:56.000
kind of stuff can come later um it's it's yeah it's it's going

00:18:54.320 --> 00:18:59.679
to be expensive I can't see this possible because you got to think it's

00:18:57.480 --> 00:19:03.720
more advanced than a normal Y and treadmills are already not that

00:19:01.520 --> 00:19:08.919
cheap but then again exercise equipment seems to be the biggest gigantic scam in

00:19:06.679 --> 00:19:13.159
the entire world in terms of how much that stuff costs versus how much it

00:19:10.480 --> 00:19:18.240
costs to manufacture I mean it's a weight it's literally a hunk of metal

00:19:16.720 --> 00:19:23.080
the dumbbells that I have at my house are like just it's one solid piece like

00:19:21.760 --> 00:19:28.200
it's not one of those really nice ones and even the paint on it is like it obviously dripped on the one side and

00:19:26.360 --> 00:19:32.640
they all look like that they're like not even that cheap cheap and they're just completely crap but it's just the

00:19:30.840 --> 00:19:36.159
cheapest ones that they had so I was like whatever I don't need a fancy one

00:19:34.400 --> 00:19:40.240
it weighs a certain amount and I pick it up and put it

00:19:37.880 --> 00:19:45.760
down I'm not too worried about it like biggest scan ever you know that would be

00:19:42.600 --> 00:19:48.240
that would be a great business idea so

00:19:45.760 --> 00:19:52.480
Media Group Waits no no not I don't want to do it but but if someone if someone

00:19:50.720 --> 00:19:57.600
went okay we're going to make like environmentally conscious exercise

00:19:54.480 --> 00:20:00.559
equipment so basically all it is is like

00:19:57.600 --> 00:20:04.520
recycled metal crap and they just molded into the shape of things

00:20:03.120 --> 00:20:10.559
that people can lift and put down and they'll just be like look this stuff legit didn't cost us any more than scrap

00:20:07.799 --> 00:20:15.799
metal costs so you cover the shipping you cover our cost to turn it into this

00:20:12.600 --> 00:20:19.240
shape and we're good and also some

00:20:15.799 --> 00:20:22.159
profit not but not as much but not that

00:20:19.240 --> 00:20:26.280
much yeah not that much that's not a bad idea I'm sure that would work pretty

00:20:23.799 --> 00:20:32.480
well actually it's the not the world's most horrible idea

00:20:29.679 --> 00:20:37.720
by lightest Media Group oh we never oh we never said the uh the hover bike uh

00:20:35.480 --> 00:20:42.039
right you you have to put down 5,000 and the price is going to be 85,000 so you

00:20:39.840 --> 00:20:45.280
put down 5,000 just to reserve one and they're not expecting them to actually

00:20:43.320 --> 00:20:50.640
be available until 2017 so this is like some pretty

00:20:48.000 --> 00:20:56.159
hardcore pre-ordering going on but you know expecting you know clients like US

00:20:53.679 --> 00:21:00.679
border patrol or Park Rangers or let they're an off-road vehicle to be the

00:20:58.320 --> 00:21:03.960
the Target for this um maybe maybe they're willing maybe some of them are

00:21:02.039 --> 00:21:06.960
willing to at least invest in one to find out if it's a good idea and then go

00:21:05.480 --> 00:21:11.919
from there apparently someone has named them slick lifts slick lifts I I think

00:21:10.159 --> 00:21:15.279
slick lifts are more like the kind of thing I would want to wear in my

00:21:13.760 --> 00:21:20.320
shoes oh that's not a bad name slick lifts and

00:21:18.440 --> 00:21:24.880
they could be like stylish they could be like fancy colors because if if we've

00:21:22.720 --> 00:21:29.480
learned anything from Kickstarter it's that people will Kickstart the hell out

00:21:27.600 --> 00:21:32.840
of anything that's a completely normal thing but like different colors did you

00:21:30.919 --> 00:21:38.760
see that Kickstarter for brightly colored USB like micro cables no I was

00:21:36.880 --> 00:21:42.919
just like really and someone was like oh lonus you should cover this you should

00:21:40.279 --> 00:21:49.360
request a sample and I'm just like what could I possibly say hates micro USB

00:21:45.960 --> 00:21:52.159
cables with a with all the fiery passion

00:21:49.360 --> 00:21:58.760
that I can conjure in my soul um I I hate micro USB so you know a

00:21:56.520 --> 00:22:03.200
slightly more aesthetically pleasing micro USB cable is unlikely to light a

00:22:01.600 --> 00:22:07.520
fire for me something I also want to bring up about infinitec if we're going

00:22:04.720 --> 00:22:12.200
to be bouncing around in topics is uh the the the possible Resurgence and

00:22:09.559 --> 00:22:16.799
comeback of the arcade I brought this up when we first

00:22:14.559 --> 00:22:21.159
started talking about because if you have like a home infinitec it's going to

00:22:18.720 --> 00:22:28.080
be this little tiny thing if you go to a giant arcade it could be infinex style

00:22:24.760 --> 00:22:30.120
infinite room yeah and it could be like

00:22:28.080 --> 00:22:33.919
a whole whole room and that kind of a thing might cost $100,000 so you're not

00:22:32.919 --> 00:22:38.559
going to be able to afford it in your house yeah and you might not have space

00:22:36.039 --> 00:22:43.720
for it like at all but every arcade in the Lower Mainland here in the Vancouver

00:22:40.440 --> 00:22:46.840
area is gone now because you can get so

00:22:43.720 --> 00:22:49.200
close to that experience at home whereas

00:22:46.840 --> 00:22:53.840
this could be a complete Revival for that business model where it's like you

00:22:50.960 --> 00:22:59.240
look you know come in and pay 30 bucks an hour to use whatever you want and

00:22:56.159 --> 00:23:01.400
with virtual reality and the kinds of

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I I can imagine someone like Oculus having a professional grade option

00:23:03.760 --> 00:23:10.200
versus a consumer grade option so having like really Advanced virtual reality

00:23:08.120 --> 00:23:14.200
with much better sensors low latency cameras for motion tracking all built

00:23:12.159 --> 00:23:18.360
all around into the room built into a room I mean that's the kind of thing

00:23:16.159 --> 00:23:22.600
that I I would I would go and I would pay 30 bucks an hour to go chill for a

00:23:20.360 --> 00:23:27.520
couple hours i' try yeah if if they had VR and AR experiences too you could have

00:23:25.000 --> 00:23:33.279
both Styles that's my problem with the infinitec though is I really don't think

00:23:30.520 --> 00:23:37.159
that stationary okay outside of markets where like places like Europe and Japan

00:23:35.760 --> 00:23:42.760
where they're legitimately not going to have enough space for an augmented

00:23:40.200 --> 00:23:47.880
reality gaming experience I think that augmented reality is going to be the one

00:23:45.200 --> 00:23:53.679
that draws me much more than VR like I would rather deal with the inconvenience

00:23:50.840 --> 00:23:59.440
of a backpack with like a heavy battery in it or something and a front-facing

00:23:56.120 --> 00:24:00.840
camera that augments what what I see and

00:23:59.440 --> 00:24:06.000
then you're going to get like essentially uh paintball fields yes

00:24:04.279 --> 00:24:09.520
because one problem with that is if you just kind of cruise if you do it in your

00:24:07.559 --> 00:24:13.679
house it's a very limited setup yes every map's going to be the same it's going to get really boring if you do it

00:24:12.120 --> 00:24:16.279
outside people are going to look at you like you're absolutely insane and

00:24:15.200 --> 00:24:22.080
they're probably going to try and talk to you and that's going to break the whole immersion experience so it's going

00:24:18.760 --> 00:24:24.080
to have to be like a like a a VR field I

00:24:22.080 --> 00:24:29.279
think which could be really cool and you know what it comes back to our tanks and

00:24:26.000 --> 00:24:30.320
RC tanks and planes idea where like oh

00:24:29.279 --> 00:24:35.200
man people might not even get that reference actually piloting you know

00:24:33.039 --> 00:24:40.159
like a plane and being able to fire like virtual lasers and crap at other

00:24:37.039 --> 00:24:42.919
people's planes and like take them down

00:24:40.159 --> 00:24:47.830
the future is the future is exciting um all right so why don't we bring JJ on do

00:24:45.120 --> 00:24:51.000
you want to get him to join us

00:24:51.000 --> 00:25:00.320
here I'm going to just tweet this out tune in live

00:24:55.960 --> 00:25:00.320
at you w twitch.

00:25:02.279 --> 00:25:10.840
tvlist we actually have a watch page on linch tips.com I just don't know the URL

00:25:08.720 --> 00:25:20.080
which is sort of a terrible terrible thing nobody does anymore yeah okay all

00:25:14.960 --> 00:25:21.600
right so bring on our oh oh is that are

00:25:20.080 --> 00:25:27.159
you there hello sir can you hear me I I can

00:25:25.159 --> 00:25:33.279
hear you sir I can hear you sir fantastic all right all right so guys

00:25:29.480 --> 00:25:35.200
give JJ a warm welcome and uh all that

00:25:33.279 --> 00:25:42.399
good stuff in the twitch chat for those of you who don't know who this gentleman

00:25:37.720 --> 00:25:45.120
is he is the tech Guru of ASUS who knows

00:25:42.399 --> 00:25:49.919
all the things about all the ASUS you I swear I swear you could ask him any

00:25:47.240 --> 00:25:54.240
question about an ASUS product past present and probably even future and he

00:25:52.200 --> 00:25:57.880
would know the answer but that third category he probably couldn't tell you

00:25:55.679 --> 00:26:02.799
about it so you are extremely nice I thank you I thank you I I try my best I

00:26:00.279 --> 00:26:08.679
try my best man but yeah that is very that is a very humbling introduction so

00:26:05.080 --> 00:26:12.679
thank you all right so I think the uh

00:26:08.679 --> 00:26:14.880
the thing to do here is to invite people

00:26:12.679 --> 00:26:18.320
on the Twitter boards to go ahead and we're going to do things a little bit

00:26:16.080 --> 00:26:24.000
differently this week rather than just tweeting at liniste any questions you

00:26:20.919 --> 00:26:27.880
have about ASUS products particularly

00:26:24.000 --> 00:26:29.000
z97 and h97 motherboards we want you to

00:26:27.880 --> 00:26:34.600
use #and I don't remember what it is anymore

00:26:31.799 --> 00:26:38.080
and I can uh I can I can see that that's going to be a problem for me okay so I'm

00:26:35.840 --> 00:26:44.279
going to invent one right off the bat so it's going to be hashtag W live W live I

00:26:41.559 --> 00:26:47.960
thought it was wow live sure hash wow live go ahead and include that hashtag

00:26:46.559 --> 00:26:52.320
with your Tweet and we're going to be going through them and finding some good

00:26:49.640 --> 00:26:56.279
questions for JJ but in the meantime I'm going to kick things off I'm going to go

00:26:54.240 --> 00:27:04.480
okay look z97 um it's no gigantic secret that not

00:27:01.760 --> 00:27:09.520
a whole lot changed on the Intel side of things so why don't you give us like a

00:27:06.559 --> 00:27:16.120
top three reasons why maybe users shouldn't necessarily upgrade from Z87

00:27:12.679 --> 00:27:17.880
outright but for people upgrading to LGA

00:27:16.120 --> 00:27:22.919
1150 why would they spend an extra couple bucks for z97 versus

00:27:20.760 --> 00:27:26.600
Z87 yeah that's you know that's a really good that's a really good question um

00:27:24.760 --> 00:27:31.679
and I think it's kind of a tricky uh question to answer because I think both

00:27:28.520 --> 00:27:33.120
me and you have um I'd say like a

00:27:31.679 --> 00:27:38.000
different I guess approach than most people because since we see Hardware

00:27:35.120 --> 00:27:41.360
every single generation right we kind of might think of it from the bleeding edge

00:27:39.480 --> 00:27:44.519
where we're going to upgrade from one platform to the next but a lot of users

00:27:43.159 --> 00:27:48.080
like you said are necessarily sometimes coming over from a platform from two

00:27:46.399 --> 00:27:52.399
three four five years ago I mean we got people that are still coming over from

00:27:49.559 --> 00:27:56.399
p45 or x58 or different chipsets but um right um I think for this generation you

00:27:54.600 --> 00:27:59.840
know our goal we always try to look at kind of two different perspectives of

00:27:57.600 --> 00:28:03.600
development know chipset develop and then board level development so every

00:28:02.120 --> 00:28:06.320
generation I think we try to put in the effort to put in new functions and

00:28:05.240 --> 00:28:12.399
features that are going to make things interesting uh and improve for the users's experience so I think three

00:28:10.080 --> 00:28:15.559
things um I'm a big fan once again of everything that we did on the autotuning

00:28:13.760 --> 00:28:19.320
side for the motherboards I think that the new customization uh abilities that

00:28:17.760 --> 00:28:22.320
we have for this generation are pretty nuts as far as the granularity and

00:28:20.840 --> 00:28:27.080
control that you have for dynamic Real Time auto overclocking um I'm really I'm

00:28:25.320 --> 00:28:30.440
really digging a lot of the new stuff that we did on the audio implementation

00:28:28.559 --> 00:28:34.200
to extend you know the previous designs that we had and then I think kind of

00:28:32.640 --> 00:28:39.039
just total experience you know I think most of us when we go about building a

00:28:35.760 --> 00:28:40.919
system um we kind of think of building

00:28:39.039 --> 00:28:44.600
the system in a lot of different ways sometimes it's the Simplicity of just

00:28:42.200 --> 00:28:47.320
how smoothly something might work or how kind of something you didn't realize in

00:28:45.679 --> 00:28:51.200
terms of just enabling like this generation you know for us it's easy to

00:28:49.320 --> 00:28:55.240
enable XMP but you know we still see based off of Market survey data that you

00:28:52.880 --> 00:28:59.519
know 50% of users never enable XMP on a motherboard um right so just having a

00:28:58.120 --> 00:29:03.519
physical switch on the motherboard that now a user can just you know flip into

00:29:01.279 --> 00:29:06.840
the on position you know while to me it's something that I would never use in

00:29:04.960 --> 00:29:10.080
terms of having value for we definitely know that there's users out there that

00:29:08.159 --> 00:29:13.960
would go wow that just makes sense and I can just do that and that gives me um

00:29:12.200 --> 00:29:17.120
you know exactly what I'm using for because that's what I paid for in terms

00:29:15.279 --> 00:29:21.640
of the memory that I bought so I have a question for you about the physical XMP

00:29:19.240 --> 00:29:27.000
switch is that something that the system integrators were asking for as well no

00:29:24.720 --> 00:29:30.679
um actually no we didn't get any of that feedback from the system great that was

00:29:28.799 --> 00:29:34.600
really based purely on the perspective of trying to find a more simplified

00:29:32.760 --> 00:29:39.000
solution if you remember last generation you know we put in that easy OneTouch

00:29:36.200 --> 00:29:42.120
ufi option for the XMP function right and so this was just kind of the

00:29:40.039 --> 00:29:46.039
evolution of that of trying to give you um you know a very easy way to do it not

00:29:44.320 --> 00:29:50.760
only within the ufi but a really easy way of doing it on the physical Hardware

00:29:47.840 --> 00:29:56.120
level so the next implementation will be like um a a giant red button this big

00:29:53.720 --> 00:30:00.799
with like a flashing LED behind it push this yeah do this push this if you have

00:29:58.600 --> 00:30:04.320
memory I think the next option is you know we're working on like on a micro

00:30:02.279 --> 00:30:07.720
automaton a little you know guy that will come inside the box and he'll ask

00:30:05.880 --> 00:30:10.799
you questions do you need help and he'll just do it for you exactly he'll just

00:30:09.279 --> 00:30:13.799
kind of you know come on like your own personal Golem and then he'll go into

00:30:12.559 --> 00:30:18.360
your system and he'll just enable everything for you you won't do anything he'll just you just tell him I want to

00:30:17.080 --> 00:30:23.480
do this and this and this and he'll automatically do it for you can you create different skins for it so there

00:30:21.640 --> 00:30:28.159
can be like there can be like the like the Cortana like you know digital girl

00:30:26.240 --> 00:30:34.080
and then there can be like the uh like you remember uh mad mod Mike that NVIDIA

00:30:31.600 --> 00:30:38.360
um brand asset that was like the guy with like a huge backpack and like

00:30:36.200 --> 00:30:44.080
screwdrivers and stuff and then I think like a bonus one for someone who buys

00:30:40.880 --> 00:30:46.159
all the ASUS components possible so only

00:30:44.080 --> 00:30:53.120
people who have an ASUS like motherboard graphics card you like a keyboard mouse

00:30:49.880 --> 00:30:54.919
sound card and then it unlocks like a JJ

00:30:53.120 --> 00:30:58.919
Avatar yeah that would be pretty awesome you

00:30:57.200 --> 00:31:02.600
know actually it's funny you talk about that we're um we're going to be

00:31:00.960 --> 00:31:09.240
hopefully doing in a little bit sometime this quarter we're going to be releasing these like really cool limited edition

00:31:06.519 --> 00:31:13.880
um really highly articulated small Rog robots um so for like our Die Hard

00:31:11.639 --> 00:31:16.240
enthusiasts that really love you know R Hardware and ASUS Hardware they're going

00:31:15.120 --> 00:31:20.639
to have the opportunity to be able to pick up these really limited edition

00:31:18.159 --> 00:31:22.880
High detail based figures so um you know I think that's all just part of the

00:31:21.600 --> 00:31:28.039
experience right you know all of us as Builders we love dealing with hardware and anything that just makes things

00:31:26.000 --> 00:31:32.880
interesting and more engaging and adds experience is always

00:31:29.399 --> 00:31:34.639
cool all right so why don't I start with

00:31:32.880 --> 00:31:39.440
uh a first question from someone on The Forum that actually um reached out to me

00:31:37.480 --> 00:31:43.880
very politely and said look I'm sorry I can't tune into the show live but I

00:31:41.440 --> 00:31:50.080
really want to know the answer to this why did you guys go for an expansion

00:31:47.039 --> 00:31:51.600
card versus building Thunderbolt into

00:31:50.080 --> 00:31:54.320
the motherboards that you thought it made sense for I mean one of the things

00:31:53.200 --> 00:31:58.399
that you and I have talked about extensively is the way that ASUS tries

00:31:56.679 --> 00:32:03.440
to build a motherboard according to how they think that user is

00:32:00.760 --> 00:32:09.880
going to use it down to everything from whether to use just you know um

00:32:06.120 --> 00:32:12.960
integrated Intel uh SATA connectors to

00:32:09.880 --> 00:32:15.480
implementing a particular brand even of

00:32:12.960 --> 00:32:19.279
extra SATA connectors so why didn't you guys go for something like the Ws it was

00:32:17.639 --> 00:32:22.760
the one real criticism I had of that board why didn't you go okay look this

00:32:21.039 --> 00:32:26.960
is a workstation board it should have Thunderbolt on it right off the bat yeah

00:32:25.440 --> 00:32:30.679
yeah no you make a really good point and that was a really hard decision to make

00:32:28.600 --> 00:32:33.440
you know for us um Thunderbolt is still continuing to be kind of an emerging

00:32:32.200 --> 00:32:36.880
technology that we're seeing get utilized and we're heavily involved you

00:32:35.440 --> 00:32:41.159
know I myself I actually went to two Thunderbolt plugfest this generation and

00:32:38.720 --> 00:32:44.440
we worked with I think over 160 vendors that are making all kinds of Thunderbolt

00:32:42.760 --> 00:32:47.399
accessories so we definitely still still value in it I mean uh compared to any

00:32:46.000 --> 00:32:50.760
other vendor no other vendor has more Thunderbolt Solutions than us and I

00:32:49.240 --> 00:32:55.039
think it just came down to a question of resource uh layout consideration and

00:32:53.519 --> 00:32:57.840
cost um you know while there's definitely going to be a segmentation

00:32:56.559 --> 00:33:03.200
even within that content creation Community like you talk about for a WS model that would see value on

00:33:01.080 --> 00:33:06.519
Thunderbolt the majority of those users as a whole are not going to be utilizing

00:33:04.720 --> 00:33:09.720
Thunderbolt they will be utilizing your classic interconnects whether they're

00:33:07.760 --> 00:33:13.880
going to be USB um or whether it's going to be actually even gigabit based

00:33:11.080 --> 00:33:17.360
connectivity on a local based Network um so in that situation I think we saw the

00:33:15.760 --> 00:33:20.600
value of let's still give them that ability to be able to have Thunderbolt

00:33:18.919 --> 00:33:23.919
right um on the boards but not necessarily have to have them to pay the

00:33:22.080 --> 00:33:27.279
premium because when you do look at the cost the bomb cost so the bill and

00:33:25.360 --> 00:33:32.080
material cost on Thunderbolt it is probably with in uh the top three most

00:33:29.960 --> 00:33:35.480
expensive hardware specs to put on a motherboard so it's not like a small

00:33:34.159 --> 00:33:40.799
add-on cost sometimes there are some stuff that it's a really marginal cost to implement on the board um so it's a

00:33:39.080 --> 00:33:44.480
pry pretty big increase in terms of impacting the MSRP so the the final

00:33:42.720 --> 00:33:49.320
retail price of the motherboard plus there is physical spa space layout

00:33:46.320 --> 00:33:50.720
considerations so um this generation WS

00:33:49.320 --> 00:33:54.720
actually we did incorporate the same type of isolated audio design that we

00:33:52.760 --> 00:33:58.360
had started to implement on the Rog Series so that kind of implementation

00:33:56.799 --> 00:34:01.840
balancing all that thing in terms of space and real estate and everything

00:34:00.000 --> 00:34:06.039
else out it was just kind of a managed kind of uh implementation where we said

00:34:03.840 --> 00:34:08.919
okay um you know probably makes sense but we still have to balance everything

00:34:07.360 --> 00:34:13.399
out and even little things like you wouldn't keep in mind like the U the

00:34:10.879 --> 00:34:18.200
Thunderbolt board still has 1394 so it's our only active z97 skew that actually

00:34:15.440 --> 00:34:20.879
has 1394 I did notice that because we still actually have users in that

00:34:19.560 --> 00:34:24.000
content creation Community they've made really big investment for firewire and

00:34:22.839 --> 00:34:28.679
actually the usage model is still actually a little bit higher than Thunderbolt we probably see that by the

00:34:26.879 --> 00:34:33.839
end of this year finally eclipsing the Thunderbolt will even be higher than the

00:34:30.560 --> 00:34:35.440
existing base of for 1394 but that 1394

00:34:33.839 --> 00:34:39.000
chip takes up space right so if we probably maybe would have taken that out

00:34:37.040 --> 00:34:42.320
could have probably maybe offset it so it just literally comes down to a

00:34:40.440 --> 00:34:45.800
balance Factor you know we'd love to put everything that we could on there um but

00:34:44.079 --> 00:34:51.119
that's kind of the best compromise but the cool thing about it is you know Thunderbolt across what like 16 SKS and

00:34:49.879 --> 00:34:56.760
all you got to do is just drop in the card right all right I can see why you made

00:34:54.520 --> 00:35:00.960
the compromise now here's something that I wish everyone would quit compromising

00:34:59.160 --> 00:35:06.119
on and and you can go you could like let's call this like off the Record your

00:35:03.040 --> 00:35:08.400
opinion um I will do my best looking

00:35:06.119 --> 00:35:12.640
into the crystal ball when are we going to finally see 10 gab Ethernet I've seen

00:35:11.040 --> 00:35:18.760
some of the guys in twitch chat talking about 10 gig because I right now no one

00:35:16.240 --> 00:35:24.280
seems to be willing to just do this and make it a consumer technology I think

00:35:20.440 --> 00:35:26.240
Netgear has like one eight Port switch

00:35:24.280 --> 00:35:33.599
on New Egg that's still hundreds of dollars and you can buy Nick cards for

00:35:29.839 --> 00:35:35.800
in the $200 to $300 range um the cabling

00:35:33.599 --> 00:35:40.480
itself has caught up at this point so you can get cat 6A cable for a

00:35:37.480 --> 00:35:42.240
reasonable price how much legitimately

00:35:40.480 --> 00:35:45.680
like if you had to just guess and you can tell me the number is probably wrong

00:35:43.839 --> 00:35:51.240
you can disclaim it this number is wrong but if I um how much would a 10 gigabit

00:35:48.960 --> 00:35:55.240
implementation on a motherboard cost and and what's the problem right now why

00:35:52.800 --> 00:35:58.920
can't we do it um it really comes down to just it really it's a cost factor

00:35:56.880 --> 00:36:02.560
it's totally possible we could entirely Do It um and you know while there are

00:36:00.960 --> 00:36:05.680
stuff that I can't talk about as far as on the current chipset portfolio you can

00:36:04.480 --> 00:36:10.480
imagine that there's things coming down the pipeline later on where that could be a possibility of something that you

00:36:08.599 --> 00:36:15.240
would want be incorporated so we are evaluating looking at 10 gig uh e

00:36:13.200 --> 00:36:18.440
Solutions on based platforms but more probably in the server and workstation

00:36:16.920 --> 00:36:23.400
demographic than we would see in the traditional kind of like z97 so the

00:36:20.960 --> 00:36:26.359
performance kind of Market space um but from a cost standpoint you're talking

00:36:24.800 --> 00:36:30.280
that you could easily take a motherboard that might let's say tradition be let's

00:36:28.040 --> 00:36:34.640
say like a $250 motherboard $300 motherboard so that's a a relatively

00:36:31.920 --> 00:36:40.800
high-end Enthusiast c97 based board and you could add an MSRP of Beyond $200 to

00:36:37.960 --> 00:36:44.319
be able to add 10 gig e so that's that's a huge cost increase to the consumer you

00:36:42.640 --> 00:36:50.640
know I'm sure like foreign people would go this is crazy $200 more right um of

00:36:48.760 --> 00:36:54.599
course for the users that know the benefit of what they would be able to do

00:36:52.200 --> 00:36:56.960
in leveraging a 10 gig e solution they would they would appreciate that and

00:36:55.800 --> 00:37:02.200
they would also look at the cost of going hey maybe an add-in card is at

00:36:59.440 --> 00:37:07.560
least maybe 350 bucks so having to pay $200 and having it integrated I'm ready

00:37:04.920 --> 00:37:10.000
to do that um but we we're looking at it actually I think in a more complete

00:37:08.720 --> 00:37:13.640
rollout strategy you know we're evaluating actually 10 gig not just for

00:37:11.760 --> 00:37:17.040
our motherboards but also for our entire networking division um so definitely

00:37:15.800 --> 00:37:22.640
stay tuned you know you're going to see more of that coming down the pipeline from us um but you know it it really

00:37:20.480 --> 00:37:26.400
just comes down to cost if users say hey we're willing to take on the cost then

00:37:24.440 --> 00:37:30.160
we can do it this same stuff even rolls into like a mini ITX for like really

00:37:28.400 --> 00:37:34.680
highend we've done some really crazy interesting designs for x79 and trying

00:37:32.160 --> 00:37:38.319
to do a Ultra small form factor x79 miniitx and I'm not going to say it's

00:37:36.960 --> 00:37:42.160
impossible because we've made some really interesting design choices to be

00:37:40.599 --> 00:37:45.400
able to do something like that and then I have people tell me oh we'll do it but

00:37:44.160 --> 00:37:49.720
then there's always that difference between what's the real Market reality

00:37:47.800 --> 00:37:54.480
and what's the niche reality of people saying oh we'll buy this right um yeah

00:37:52.960 --> 00:37:58.200
because you know for us to kick off a board you know you're at least talking

00:37:56.160 --> 00:38:02.440
six to eight months development time a high amount of R&D cost bandwidth and

00:38:00.079 --> 00:38:05.520
resource and stuff like that and so I could probably make it I could make an

00:38:03.720 --> 00:38:08.240
x79 miniitx it could be really interesting as far as the way it' work

00:38:07.000 --> 00:38:14.079
but would you really be willing to pay you know $450 $500 for that

00:38:11.000 --> 00:38:16.400
Port ah and that that would be a tough

00:38:14.079 --> 00:38:22.000
pill to swallow I mean I could see an x79 ITX board being worth a small

00:38:18.880 --> 00:38:25.119
premium you know maybe 250 bucks 275

00:38:22.000 --> 00:38:26.839
bucks for you know like let's let's call

00:38:25.119 --> 00:38:33.640
it like a deluxe class board you know something pretty equivalent to you know

00:38:29.359 --> 00:38:35.839
a z97 or Z87 ITX board but if you

00:38:33.640 --> 00:38:38.920
started to tell me it's $400 $500 that's a really tough pill to swallow

00:38:37.680 --> 00:38:44.760
especially when you factor in that you're going to need some other pretty specialized Hardware to even build that

00:38:42.319 --> 00:38:48.920
rig um you know you're going to want Silverstone is I think the only one that

00:38:46.599 --> 00:38:54.560
I'm aware of with an 80 plus gold power supply that's a 450 watt unit that's a

00:38:51.560 --> 00:38:56.599
an sfx power supply so this is this is a

00:38:54.560 --> 00:39:00.359
very special machine at this point and you think about like how many times guys

00:38:58.520 --> 00:39:05.480
viewers think about how many times on a forum you've seen a machine that special

00:39:03.520 --> 00:39:09.599
how many times you seen that power supply yeah and I I think the other

00:39:07.880 --> 00:39:12.960
thing too is you know I mean we're okay making those type of advancements I mean

00:39:11.359 --> 00:39:16.359
if you look at our history we're not necessarily afraid to Buck the trend and

00:39:15.040 --> 00:39:21.000
sometimes put on these really specialized technologies that roll out

00:39:18.359 --> 00:39:23.760
over time to other products over time um you know because we have users that

00:39:22.400 --> 00:39:29.079
realize that and that's part of the community one of the really cool things about the pcdiy community is in itself

00:39:27.640 --> 00:39:33.599
that people will embrace the technology they'll pay a premium and while not

00:39:31.400 --> 00:39:37.200
everybody benefits from it right away actually that's the really cool thing is

00:39:34.960 --> 00:39:40.280
that as products scale over time you know those that initial investment

00:39:38.720 --> 00:39:43.800
actually does scale out to more products over time um you know so as long as you

00:39:42.400 --> 00:39:47.200
can get enough of those people to be supportive of that then you can see

00:39:45.800 --> 00:39:51.760
really cool and Innovative product like that it just depends D we really have enough people for these type of

00:39:50.040 --> 00:39:56.839
Solutions in the same way I get every day I get people asking me I want high

00:39:53.560 --> 00:39:59.480
performance am3 Mini ITX right yeah so

00:39:56.839 --> 00:40:04.000
stuff like that yeah okay now leading into investing in the future and it

00:40:02.079 --> 00:40:07.720
paying off for everyone I think this is a great discussion topic and I don't

00:40:05.720 --> 00:40:14.280
worry JJ I'll let you talk about z97 at some point oh no worries man let's talk

00:40:11.040 --> 00:40:16.079
pg278q Rog Swift you had to do it right

00:40:14.280 --> 00:40:19.920
you had you just had to ask about it right yeah but but I got more oh it gets

00:40:18.240 --> 00:40:25.079
more complicated than that because I'm G to also throw at you the Acer

00:40:21.880 --> 00:40:27.319
announcement today of their 4k g-sync

00:40:25.079 --> 00:40:32.240
monitor and then I'm going to throw throw this at you again and I'm going to

00:40:28.880 --> 00:40:35.280
go is this is this all just irrelevant

00:40:32.240 --> 00:40:37.319
with the vesa 1.2a standard coming out

00:40:35.280 --> 00:40:42.920
supporting AMD's free sync or active sync like is gsync even relevant anymore

00:40:40.160 --> 00:40:46.079
what do you again real thoughts what like what do you think don't you don't

00:40:44.359 --> 00:40:49.760
even have to give a concrete answer here yeah so you make a lot of really good

00:40:48.040 --> 00:40:54.400
points so I think first of off if we just tackle um the first point in terms

00:40:51.960 --> 00:40:58.200
of gyn's relevancy it's entirely relevant the first and foremost reason

00:40:56.119 --> 00:41:01.760
is because um while you haven't seen physical MP product it's already a

00:41:00.240 --> 00:41:05.560
technology that's proven it's in integrator Solutions right now they're

00:41:03.920 --> 00:41:08.920
working on it and they're finalizing the products to come to the market um so

00:41:07.440 --> 00:41:13.400
this is a big difference than let's just say something a ratified specification

00:41:10.760 --> 00:41:17.760
or ratified standard um that's coming into its play and then still has to be

00:41:15.800 --> 00:41:21.800
actually proven in real design and implementation um so I see regardless of

00:41:20.400 --> 00:41:26.319
whether something is a physical implementation um or a firmware layer

00:41:24.520 --> 00:41:29.839
specification um or something that occures on a much minor level that's

00:41:28.119 --> 00:41:33.720
purely on a software basis these all those things have to be proven in the

00:41:31.200 --> 00:41:37.160
real world and I can tell you the the the learning curve just alone for our

00:41:35.079 --> 00:41:42.079
mod development team along with NVIDIA at actually taking what they thought was

00:41:39.520 --> 00:41:46.280
a monitor kind of driving uh circuit board um you know and then having to

00:41:44.560 --> 00:41:50.359
approach that in the real world were two entirely different things you know we had to consider things that NVIDIA

00:41:48.920 --> 00:41:54.000
hadn't factored in like color calibration profile support which is

00:41:52.160 --> 00:41:57.319
normally part of let's say the the the electronics package in a monitor but we

00:41:55.960 --> 00:42:01.640
had to work with their team to be a bble to actually integrate the ability to have color controls because that wasn't

00:42:00.560 --> 00:42:06.599
something that was inherently part of the fpga package because nid was

00:42:03.680 --> 00:42:12.240
thinking from a different perspective so so they went gaming they went it's funny

00:42:09.160 --> 00:42:13.880
because NVIDIA sometimes gets criticized

00:42:12.240 --> 00:42:17.880
for being you know oh you guys are completely focused on grid or you're

00:42:15.640 --> 00:42:20.800
completely focused on mobile but then they go and they bring something like

00:42:18.960 --> 00:42:25.319
g-sync to Market and they literally haven't even thought about it Beyond

00:42:22.960 --> 00:42:28.119
yeah gaming yeah and I mean that's that's you know the reality of every

00:42:26.559 --> 00:42:32.200
company I mean sometimes you run up against um you know experience and you

00:42:31.000 --> 00:42:36.920
know just your internal kind of perspective right and that's where it's a balance that they've worked with us to

00:42:35.280 --> 00:42:40.040
leverage our experience and monitor design and we're leveraging their

00:42:38.359 --> 00:42:43.720
experience at that IC based design in that package right uh for what they're

00:42:41.720 --> 00:42:47.040
doing there so I think that still in that um aspect there's still a lot of

00:42:45.760 --> 00:42:51.319
logic and there's a lot of other things that NVIDIA is doing within the um fpga

00:42:49.839 --> 00:42:54.520
and the overall IP that developing behind gsync that in the long term not

00:42:52.960 --> 00:42:58.359
just right now but what you're going to be able to do over time with it um

00:42:56.760 --> 00:43:02.640
actually continues to paint the purpose of having a specialized IC now I love

00:43:00.680 --> 00:43:06.680
the aspect and ASUS says you know we're not um we're not biased to any vendor

00:43:05.079 --> 00:43:10.760
right we produce AMD Solutions we produce NVIDIA we produce Intel chipsets

00:43:08.520 --> 00:43:13.640
and we produce AMD chipsets um so from our perspective we want to be able to

00:43:12.240 --> 00:43:19.160
give the consumers the most Choice possible right um right so I you know I

00:43:17.280 --> 00:43:23.119
I in that perspective right you know what you're seeing with the new uh Visa

00:43:20.920 --> 00:43:26.319
update um you're going to have more flexibility to have a more open

00:43:24.319 --> 00:43:29.280
ecosystem so that's great as well but I think all of us at the end the end of

00:43:27.359 --> 00:43:32.880
the day what we care first and foremost about is how something works even if

00:43:31.040 --> 00:43:36.440
it's a proprietary solution if it works really really really really well and

00:43:34.599 --> 00:43:40.000
there's no issues with it I'm okay with it being proprietary if it works

00:43:38.240 --> 00:43:43.880
outstanding and it doesn't have any bugs and it doesn't have issues and it just

00:43:41.680 --> 00:43:47.400
works right I mean that's um that's a proven example of you know you're going

00:43:45.520 --> 00:43:50.640
to get a lot of people that um they say hey we wish you gave more Linux support

00:43:49.319 --> 00:43:56.119
well it's really hard to have Linux support from a chipset development when you have 20 different dros that all have

00:43:54.200 --> 00:43:59.400
their different kernels and uh they all have to be compiled different right when

00:43:58.079 --> 00:44:03.520
you then tell the chipset company hey you can design a driver for Windows and

00:44:01.119 --> 00:44:07.599
it's just one platform right so it's very much kind of that same thing

00:44:04.760 --> 00:44:11.599
there's a lot of things to consider in that so I think g-sync is still relevant

00:44:10.240 --> 00:44:15.319
I still think we're going to totally Embrace and look at how we can

00:44:13.240 --> 00:44:19.640
incorporate the updated V supc in monitors over time um and then from

00:44:17.599 --> 00:44:23.559
there you know the 4K proposition as far as that goes into it I think everybody's

00:44:21.520 --> 00:44:27.440
interested to continue to see U just improved gaming U performance on all

00:44:26.079 --> 00:44:30.680
types of monitors regardless whether it's 4K whether it's going to be new TNN

00:44:29.680 --> 00:44:36.640
whether it's going to be IPS I don't think it matters I think everybody just wants to continue to see um improved and

00:44:34.440 --> 00:44:40.800
evolved monitor type designs so I give kudos hey uh you know Acer's done an

00:44:38.760 --> 00:44:44.800
interesting design there with the 4K uh I think for us still as you guys know uh

00:44:43.079 --> 00:44:47.880
4K is a really interesting technology I mean we're launching our right now our

00:44:46.319 --> 00:44:52.280
our brand new PB monitor that's going to be really price impressive I know I have

00:44:49.720 --> 00:44:56.640
one um there you go right so you know we're all behind that um but you know to

00:44:55.079 --> 00:45:00.480
every single one of these right when you factor in a monitor there's so much more

00:44:58.480 --> 00:45:03.880
to consider than just a monitor right it's you know the games that you're

00:45:01.839 --> 00:45:06.800
playing it's the gpus that you're going to be running in the system um so

00:45:05.480 --> 00:45:12.599
there's a lot of different perspectives so for there's not going to be ever one monitor that rules them all I think in

00:45:10.559 --> 00:45:16.640
that perspective right you can maybe get close maybe we could get pretty close to

00:45:14.440 --> 00:45:19.400
having some right specs to stuff but a lot of this is driven by so many

00:45:17.839 --> 00:45:25.000
different things so for us we're going to continue to embrace I think all the Technologies on the market and uh listen

00:45:22.559 --> 00:45:31.640
to you guys at what you guys want all right now I have another question from

00:45:27.880 --> 00:45:35.599
Omid now given that Intel didn't change

00:45:31.640 --> 00:45:38.440
much going from Z87 to z97 and I I think

00:45:35.599 --> 00:45:43.040
we you'd be hard pressed to to find like you know a massive change log from the

00:45:40.400 --> 00:45:47.520
ASUS side um given that it wasn't really necessary why are some reviewers finding

00:45:46.040 --> 00:45:53.760
they're getting better overclocking results and better temps on z97 on the

00:45:50.640 --> 00:45:55.800
same Haswell chips um you know part of

00:45:53.760 --> 00:46:00.319
this is sometimes actually time differential uh there's changes in the

00:45:57.880 --> 00:46:02.440
overall what's called Mei um it's really interesting we're seeing some of this

00:46:01.520 --> 00:46:08.839
some of this stuff we're asking reviewers to go back and evaluate because in our internal analysis it's

00:46:05.920 --> 00:46:11.559
pretty much actually par um par for par but there are some technical

00:46:10.160 --> 00:46:15.240
implementations that sometimes actually reviewers don't fully evaluate uh one of

00:46:13.960 --> 00:46:22.400
the really things that's interesting with the the fivr so that integrated voltage regulator and then what's called

00:46:18.520 --> 00:46:24.079
your VCC uh in as far as voltage is is

00:46:22.400 --> 00:46:28.880
that the voltage that you see defined within something like CPU uh CPU Z is

00:46:27.000 --> 00:46:32.119
not actually your real necessarily voltage that's the voltage that's

00:46:30.680 --> 00:46:37.440
actually being communicated by the Fiverr but the voltage or the VCC input

00:46:35.480 --> 00:46:40.960
can actually be lower than that voltage and then based on efficiency you can

00:46:38.720 --> 00:46:45.000
have a different measurement so two boards could actually be effectively

00:46:42.599 --> 00:46:48.480
giving you the same voltage but can achieve it in different ways if let's

00:46:46.359 --> 00:46:53.319
say one has a lower VCC in and one has a higher VCC in um so that can account

00:46:51.400 --> 00:46:56.920
actually for temperature differential um the other thing is that over time if

00:46:55.240 --> 00:47:00.359
let's say they first tested some boards like six months ago and then new tuning

00:46:59.000 --> 00:47:04.280
has come out where they make optimizations to actually load policies

00:47:03.160 --> 00:47:07.119
and they make changes to actually different parts of the UEFI that change

00:47:06.160 --> 00:47:12.079
different actually conditioning parameters whether it's the vrm efficiency or different primary paramet

00:47:10.359 --> 00:47:16.720
all those things can sometimes offset a little bit of numbers um but I can tell

00:47:13.960 --> 00:47:20.160
you from our internal analysis overall users should generally if you take a

00:47:18.599 --> 00:47:25.680
4770k 4670k um between a Z87 platform and then

00:47:22.960 --> 00:47:29.200
a z97 platform the actual OC experience is pretty much linear it's it's it's the

00:47:27.280 --> 00:47:31.960
same you're not getting a diminished experience and you're not getting

00:47:30.319 --> 00:47:36.920
actually a better experience it's the same clocking experience for our boards

00:47:34.520 --> 00:47:40.400
we do have a revised dram topology so Dam topology scaling is even a little

00:47:39.000 --> 00:47:44.079
bit better so you can even get higher but to real world users it's not really

00:47:42.319 --> 00:47:47.960
relevant because most users you know are maybe going up to 2132 2400 so

00:47:46.599 --> 00:47:52.200
regardless that we can do higher memory dividers um it doesn't really impact the

00:47:49.839 --> 00:47:56.000
real user um so most of this really just comes down to difference in sometimes

00:47:53.559 --> 00:48:00.760
the underlying code base changes in let's say uh vol rules and policies that

00:47:58.000 --> 00:48:04.440
sometimes the viewers aren't always as let's say always understanding of or not

00:48:02.480 --> 00:48:09.240
maybe fully accounting for because they might be looking for just one numerical

00:48:06.280 --> 00:48:14.680
value versus another numerical value yeah all right so I've got another one

00:48:12.200 --> 00:48:18.920
for you I guess along the lines of of Z87 to z97 changes again because I did

00:48:17.160 --> 00:48:24.839
promise I'd give you an opportunity to uh to cover that with us here is what

00:48:21.440 --> 00:48:27.760
are the biggest changes between or the

00:48:24.839 --> 00:48:31.440
biggest differences that you guys have have aimed to deliver here with the z97

00:48:30.000 --> 00:48:37.040
boards whether it's compared to what the competition's doing and you don't have to name any names or whether it's

00:48:34.319 --> 00:48:41.359
compared to the last generation Z87 implementations um well you know for us

00:48:39.440 --> 00:48:43.760
I mean you know we try to we're always in the game of pushing the envelope

00:48:42.640 --> 00:48:48.040
right we're always going to try to look at what the experience is and can we

00:48:46.400 --> 00:48:51.440
make those experiences better regardless of what it is um you know I think

00:48:50.079 --> 00:48:55.119
probably the biggest ones that we did that they they might seem small but when

00:48:53.160 --> 00:48:57.920
you really kind of look at them in the bigger picture they were really hard to

00:48:56.400 --> 00:49:00.960
implement but they really give a whole another level of experience um are going

00:48:59.760 --> 00:49:04.680
to be really in the autotuning Technologies in the sound and with the

00:49:03.079 --> 00:49:07.839
fan controls but I mean there's been improvements to every single aspect but

00:49:06.440 --> 00:49:12.440
you know the fan control stuff is pretty awesome right the last previous generations we'd always talked about

00:49:10.559 --> 00:49:15.520
having that full fan header control for every single header you know three pin

00:49:13.720 --> 00:49:19.200
and four pin support but this year having the ability to go to every single

00:49:17.200 --> 00:49:24.040
header and manually define whether it's a PC uh pwm or DC based control is

00:49:22.720 --> 00:49:29.440
awesome because now that gives you the ability that if you want to put twwm Splitters on there you want to get like

00:49:27.079 --> 00:49:32.720
a source 530 and have those three front intake fans all be regulated by one

00:49:31.240 --> 00:49:37.160
chassis fan header all in the same signal bam power those fans from the PSU

00:49:35.680 --> 00:49:42.680
get them all tuned with the same actual fan curve and you're rocking and rolling right that's sweet because it just adds

00:49:40.520 --> 00:49:46.640
a whole another layer of granularity control how you set up your airf flow

00:49:44.280 --> 00:49:51.559
and you set up your experience and you know what's funny is the thing that uh

00:49:49.079 --> 00:49:54.920
the thing that really blew me away is about the new fan control is one that

00:49:53.160 --> 00:50:00.960
you didn't even mention and that's the fact that it's within the UEFI now and I

00:49:57.240 --> 00:50:04.400
canine all those curves in basic I click

00:50:00.960 --> 00:50:06.119
one thing and I go y Header by header

00:50:04.400 --> 00:50:10.920
here's the curve I want I want it on a predefined curve I want to do my own

00:50:07.520 --> 00:50:13.319
manual curve because you again real talk

00:50:10.920 --> 00:50:17.799
time this is a w show we're casual I don't really like AI Suite very much it

00:50:15.520 --> 00:50:22.319
it is it is a has been a big problem for me at various times throughout its

00:50:20.040 --> 00:50:27.079
history and while I haven't tried it in the last probably 3 to six

00:50:24.319 --> 00:50:31.839
months I I've tried it fairly recently enough that I just am not a huge fan

00:50:29.280 --> 00:50:36.079
whereas ufi implementation of something like that wow what a godsend because now

00:50:34.559 --> 00:50:41.079
I can really take advantage of that feature in a way that is bulletproof and

00:50:38.640 --> 00:50:44.440
this one thing to not shoot at AI Suite despite I don't use it either um is that

00:50:43.520 --> 00:50:49.440
getting away from the software implementation is just nice anyways because if you reformat your computer

00:50:47.599 --> 00:50:52.680
change AO drive or do whatever that's less that you have to think about when

00:50:50.839 --> 00:50:55.680
you're setting everything back up again yeah yeah I think that that applies more

00:50:54.280 --> 00:50:58.720
to you guys as reviewers right most users you know you they talk about

00:50:57.440 --> 00:51:02.280
actually how long they can try to keep rolling over their OS you see so many

00:51:00.520 --> 00:51:06.200
people take osses from one chipset to another chipset and they don't ever even

00:51:03.880 --> 00:51:08.960
reinstall um you know but I guess that'll be my challenge just to win you

00:51:07.680 --> 00:51:13.720
over because you know that's one thing that we work really hard on is the software suite but you know that's that

00:51:12.040 --> 00:51:17.240
is a good example um you know we had to work really hard on actually putting in

00:51:15.480 --> 00:51:21.319
that full graphical fan turve the calibration and all that stuff and

00:51:19.079 --> 00:51:24.920
literally it's redundant we we spent time and effort to do something that we

00:51:22.559 --> 00:51:29.000
had already done two years before but we did it just to be able to give more of

00:51:26.960 --> 00:51:32.680
our base of users more accessibility so whether it's guys that for whatever

00:51:30.960 --> 00:51:36.160
reason don't want to embrace the software well then we can give it to you

00:51:34.400 --> 00:51:39.960
in another direction and you can still get that same experience um and then you

00:51:38.440 --> 00:51:43.520
added on you know rounding that all out giving you the temperature input control

00:51:41.720 --> 00:51:47.359
per header I mean that's awesome right that you can go in and say hey my front

00:51:45.240 --> 00:51:51.520
intake fan should not have to respond to my CPU right why can't that respond to

00:51:49.880 --> 00:51:57.119
my motherboard why can't that respond to my PCH why can't that respond to another

00:51:53.920 --> 00:51:58.520
temperature input um so you know and and

00:51:57.119 --> 00:52:03.480
I think the biggest part you know is a lot of time we get pigeon held as being the premium vendor the more expensive

00:52:01.720 --> 00:52:08.720
vendor look at the z97a again there is not a better value

00:52:06.280 --> 00:52:13.040
proposition board in my opinion $140 motherboard that has that class of fan

00:52:10.920 --> 00:52:16.000
controls you know I don't want to you know bring competitors into it you know

00:52:14.520 --> 00:52:21.599
guys you go you know me long enough I'm not that kind of guy that I bash on you

00:52:18.079 --> 00:52:25.160
know the other guys but Gigabyte ASRock

00:52:21.599 --> 00:52:27.760
MSI none of them but everyone everyone

00:52:25.160 --> 00:52:31.599
else none of them I'm just combo punch the entire team right now their highest

00:52:29.680 --> 00:52:35.640
and motherboard doesn't have that fan control that I have on $140 motherboard

00:52:33.799 --> 00:52:38.559
when you talk about value I don't know how much it gets better than that from a

00:52:36.960 --> 00:52:42.599
value proposition you know what the funny thing about you saying that is I I

00:52:40.720 --> 00:52:45.799
can imagine already I mean there's a delay on the twitch stream but I can

00:52:44.440 --> 00:52:50.799
already imagine what's going to happen in about 20 seconds uh where people are

00:52:48.839 --> 00:52:54.280
going to say oh I don't care about that fan control that doesn't have a value

00:52:52.480 --> 00:52:59.559
for me I don't really care I like all my fans running at 100% or whatever else

00:52:56.599 --> 00:53:04.559
but my response to that is you know what there are some people who care a whole

00:53:01.720 --> 00:53:11.839
lot about that and two of them sitting in this room have spent over

00:53:08.119 --> 00:53:13.960
$150 on a software fan controller that

00:53:11.839 --> 00:53:17.280
basically Hardware fan controller sorry Hardware fan controller that we have to

00:53:15.799 --> 00:53:22.119
configure through software that's much flakier than AI Suite has ever

00:53:19.480 --> 00:53:26.040
been just to get that functionality that you guys are now including on a board

00:53:24.000 --> 00:53:31.599
that costs less than what we paid for an mq te balancer so someone out there

00:53:29.119 --> 00:53:35.799
appreciates it even if not everybody does and it is a definite value ad even

00:53:34.240 --> 00:53:39.359
if it's like possibly the only two people in Canada well no I I mean

00:53:38.000 --> 00:53:44.440
there's definitely I mean we know for sure that it's a lot more people than just you guys um you know it's just the

00:53:42.680 --> 00:53:47.920
bigger thing is sometimes just edifying people and helping them understand this

00:53:46.480 --> 00:53:51.480
and it's hard you know we talked about this last time this is not an easy game

00:53:49.839 --> 00:53:54.839
to be in when there's so many features and there's so many functions to be

00:53:53.280 --> 00:53:58.240
cognizant and to be aware of but you know we work on it but um you know I

00:53:56.799 --> 00:54:03.440
think like I said the fan controls I think the auto tuning stuff is awesome I mean this generation you have the

00:54:01.359 --> 00:54:08.200
ability to do Target temperature based overclocking so that if you want to have

00:54:04.960 --> 00:54:09.960
the overclock be limited to 70c or 80c

00:54:08.200 --> 00:54:13.359
and it it's only going to do it to that you know having it be frequency based

00:54:11.839 --> 00:54:17.520
having the app tuning stuff right where you can conditionally profile your

00:54:15.400 --> 00:54:20.720
application to a specific overclock and have that dynamically adjust things like

00:54:19.000 --> 00:54:24.079
Network prioritization or audio stuff I mean I think crazy stuff if you start to

00:54:22.640 --> 00:54:28.480
really evaluate some of these fun functions and features it's kind of crazy that you're getting this level of

00:54:27.000 --> 00:54:32.280
control and and while you guys might not be using the software to make this end

00:54:30.480 --> 00:54:35.400
user available the power and class of this functionality I don't think people

00:54:34.000 --> 00:54:39.319
thought you know especially three years ago four years ago every year people say

00:54:37.480 --> 00:54:42.480
yeah there's not more that you can do it's it's it's all over there's no more

00:54:41.119 --> 00:54:47.799
there's no more Innovation that can be done and then you do stuff like this and people go how come this hasn't been on a

00:54:45.440 --> 00:54:52.280
motherboard for the last five years right um so and the funny thing is even

00:54:50.079 --> 00:54:55.720
I find myself doing it sometimes where I'll be I'll be using all the latest

00:54:53.880 --> 00:55:00.640
stuff because that's what I generally use um and then well no really though

00:54:58.720 --> 00:55:05.760
because I because when we're whenever we're evaluating something we don't

00:55:02.160 --> 00:55:07.200
Benchmark whatever is 5 years old before

00:55:05.760 --> 00:55:12.200
yeah but it doesn't happen very often but that's exactly it is I'll be I'll be

00:55:10.040 --> 00:55:18.680
using all this latest stuff and then the other day I was putting together a

00:55:13.960 --> 00:55:21.520
pfSense box and I I dug I dug an h55

00:55:18.680 --> 00:55:25.520
board out of a box somewhere and I was like oh yeah it's got like a dual core

00:55:23.240 --> 00:55:28.680
so it's relatively low you know power consumption or whatever also relatively

00:55:27.119 --> 00:55:34.280
low performance so I don't mind tying it up in that box just to try it out and I

00:55:31.920 --> 00:55:40.599
was blown away by just all the crap it didn't have even though I didn't feel

00:55:36.640 --> 00:55:41.920
like between between age 55 and now I

00:55:40.599 --> 00:55:45.920
didn't really feel like there was any kind of huge generational Improvement in

00:55:43.680 --> 00:55:48.920
features I was just like oh this thing like doesn't have anything it doesn't

00:55:47.119 --> 00:55:53.200
have like onboard buttons it doesn't have like going back to those like

00:55:51.119 --> 00:55:58.720
classic old school blue screen Phoenix BIOS setups I know it's like oh wow yeah

00:55:55.880 --> 00:56:01.160
this is been a while actually and that's actually it's perfect that you bring

00:56:00.039 --> 00:56:06.440
that up because that's you know highlighting back to your I think your very first question right or maybe like

00:56:04.280 --> 00:56:09.520
your second one about people upgrading this is where I think it's sometimes

00:56:07.559 --> 00:56:13.640
hard as you guys reviewers is that the value proposition sometimes you kind of

00:56:11.079 --> 00:56:16.359
go this meh mentality right when a new chipset comes out because you guys are

00:56:15.079 --> 00:56:20.960
maybe looking at it right from the previous one but I think that we've done

00:56:18.200 --> 00:56:23.920
a whole lot to improve from Z87 to z97 but it is also really important to

00:56:22.359 --> 00:56:27.680
remember I mean you guys have a really really great community and so you guys

00:56:25.720 --> 00:56:31.520
know about the the systems that these users have but you know imagine somebody

00:56:29.799 --> 00:56:36.680
right now coming over from an x58 platform to just like our our Dash a or

00:56:34.280 --> 00:56:40.079
our Pro motherboard and everything that they're getting just on the board level

00:56:38.799 --> 00:56:44.079
right let's not forget the things that our chipset derive but just on the board

00:56:42.039 --> 00:56:47.880
functionality level there's an insane amount of stuff that they totally just

00:56:45.680 --> 00:56:53.520
are not even remotely near um coming over from that chipset to this chipset

00:56:50.680 --> 00:57:01.720
all right so JJ this is uh this is a question from Lis a moon and I tend to I

00:56:57.880 --> 00:57:04.039
tend to agree with him why don't you use

00:57:01.720 --> 00:57:08.079
right angle usb3 connectors so if you actually notice we

00:57:06.319 --> 00:57:12.760
do use it on the saber toot series and we've actually done it now for I think

00:57:09.720 --> 00:57:14.440
three generations um but we don't do it

00:57:12.760 --> 00:57:18.400
as a whole because we still see actually chassis compatibility issues um so I

00:57:17.119 --> 00:57:23.200
think really the only company that's really kind of gun ho about it is EVGA

00:57:21.000 --> 00:57:27.359
um and we've we've like I said we just don't do it because we still see enough

00:57:25.119 --> 00:57:31.319
issues with that there are some chassis where the actual space if you were to

00:57:29.160 --> 00:57:35.720
right angle that cable it actually will obstruct into the hard drive cage so

00:57:33.480 --> 00:57:40.400
it's a bit tight in that spacing and as you know that usb3 header it's a fat

00:57:38.680 --> 00:57:44.240
blocky header and it's really hard to deal with um in terms of that what we're

00:57:43.000 --> 00:57:50.319
actually I think playing around with more is that we're coming we're trying to develop kind of like a usb3 q

00:57:48.240 --> 00:57:54.000
connector um so that you could actually put that in and it'll have actually a

00:57:52.119 --> 00:57:58.799
flexible cable that you could then run through like your your uh your your

00:57:56.280 --> 00:58:02.880
routing holes in your chassis the kind of the tricky thing about that is that

00:58:00.280 --> 00:58:06.880
there's a actual there's a cost so you actually have to pay a royalty cost

00:58:04.799 --> 00:58:11.039
every time you do like a usb3 spec this is why oh jeez this is why a lot of the

00:58:09.520 --> 00:58:15.640
chassis if you notice there's like a really big drop off between entrylevel

00:58:13.119 --> 00:58:19.440
chassis having front USB 3 and then all of them having USB 2 right and you saw

00:58:18.119 --> 00:58:22.319
like this weird area where there was like stuff from NZXT or Cooler Master

00:58:21.200 --> 00:58:27.880
these other ones where they only have like one us one one front USB 3 yeah

00:58:25.640 --> 00:58:32.280
that's because because the cost so it Char they charge you for this usb3

00:58:29.599 --> 00:58:34.920
header so um you know we're we're looking at trying to do that but then we

00:58:33.680 --> 00:58:38.280
would have to pay the cost for putting the adapter and and do all that stuff

00:58:36.920 --> 00:58:44.640
but um that's really what it comes down to is it's literally right now that if

00:58:41.400 --> 00:58:46.799
we saw more chassis now the argument

00:58:44.640 --> 00:58:50.640
could be said well you know if if we do it maybe on higher ards maybe like Pro

00:58:48.720 --> 00:58:54.200
and above it's probably going to go into a chassis where there's more than enough

00:58:52.079 --> 00:58:58.119
space between where the board sits and where the hard drive Cas are the hard

00:58:55.720 --> 00:59:02.359
drive count on that right yeah but that's the hard part right is that we

00:58:59.599 --> 00:59:05.240
kind of have to balance that out um so I think for me I'd rather do kind of the Q

00:59:04.079 --> 00:59:08.720
connector kind of thing I think people would be okay with that um so I think

00:59:07.640 --> 00:59:13.440
that's probably the direction we're moving closer towards than seeing the

00:59:11.079 --> 00:59:16.799
the usb3 header actually go right angle and there is also a little bit there is

00:59:15.400 --> 00:59:20.920
a little bit of actually signal Integrity issues that when you turn it

00:59:18.520 --> 00:59:23.799
actually to the right angle um that you can actually change a little bit of some

00:59:22.359 --> 00:59:29.280
of the layout topology and stuff like that and since we don't want to have to go rework the entire board from that

00:59:27.119 --> 00:59:33.119
perspective um right you know it makes a little bit more sense to save the work

00:59:30.400 --> 00:59:37.559
that we've already done okay so let's talk Devil's Canyon um are we going to

00:59:36.000 --> 00:59:42.960
see I mean I already know the answer to this but this is a question from um

00:59:40.359 --> 00:59:48.920
Fabian are we going to see Devil's Canyon CPUs work on your z97 boards are

00:59:46.559 --> 00:59:54.520
we going to see them work on your Z87 boards so this is a tricky topic um so

00:59:53.000 --> 00:59:59.799
I'll I'll give you guys as much information as I can on this point sure

00:59:56.599 --> 01:00:03.079
um Intel requires what's called Mei

00:59:59.799 --> 01:00:04.880
compliance for certain CPUs so there is

01:00:03.079 --> 01:00:08.039
um you guys kind of know the option ROM right the option ROM on a Serial at

01:00:06.280 --> 01:00:11.720
controller like on the Intel motherboards right so that's like the

01:00:09.799 --> 01:00:14.960
firmware for the SATA controller and sometimes when new chipsets come out

01:00:13.000 --> 01:00:18.799
there's actually new Option R right well the same thing when a new chipset comes

01:00:16.400 --> 01:00:24.240
out there's new MEI firmware generally corresponding to that CPU so technically

01:00:21.319 --> 01:00:28.520
to support the new doubles Canyon CPUs you have to excuse me you have to

01:00:26.160 --> 01:00:35.119
running the new MEI firmware so believe it's 9.1 Mei firmware so all z97

01:00:31.799 --> 01:00:37.599
motherboards have that but for Z87

01:00:35.119 --> 01:00:42.160
they're running on an older Mei firmware so you will actually have to backport

01:00:39.520 --> 01:00:46.920
that Mei firmware block to those boards now we've done some internal testing

01:00:43.680 --> 01:00:49.799
already um and we have been able to

01:00:46.920 --> 01:00:53.400
actually backport this um but as to you know what the time frame may be for us

01:00:51.760 --> 01:00:56.640
to formally roll this out or whether we will formally roll that out I can't

01:00:55.200 --> 01:01:00.440
state that at this time we're still evaluating because there's also a

01:00:58.440 --> 01:01:04.680
concern that um we've talked about this I think last time with AMD where there's

01:01:03.319 --> 01:01:10.079
always a little bit of trickiness when you backport new CPUs to an older

01:01:07.000 --> 01:01:11.960
chipset and you make the ufi or the BIOS

01:01:10.079 --> 01:01:15.640
uh compatible for that you don't want it to break the overall performance or the

01:01:14.079 --> 01:01:20.200
interoperability compatibility for the old CPU platform right because we have

01:01:18.160 --> 01:01:24.920
to overall favor the majority of people that have the old CPU versus the new CPU

01:01:22.880 --> 01:01:28.280
because most users I mean statistically on that old chipset aren't going to

01:01:26.119 --> 01:01:31.559
upgrade to a new CPU but they may go out there and they may download that new

01:01:32.319 --> 01:01:37.680
UB 4.6 or 4.7 and it maybe brings down

01:01:35.799 --> 01:01:40.960
their overhead a little bit because you know there's different codebase and

01:01:39.480 --> 01:01:46.760
different that running around in there um we try not to do that so our rule of thumb is we try to keep the performance

01:01:44.119 --> 01:01:51.039
for the previous CPU the same or within a 5% margin if it doesn't adhere to that

01:01:49.520 --> 01:01:54.599
then it's something that we might not do and then there's also still uh there is

01:01:53.039 --> 01:02:00.000
also resource limitations and things like that as you guys know there's another chipset that I can't talk about

01:01:57.720 --> 01:02:03.200
but it's coming down later down the pipe so this is all just about a managed

01:02:01.480 --> 01:02:07.520
resource but I think our track record has been pretty good in this regard so

01:02:05.319 --> 01:02:11.079
um as soon as I have more information on what'll happen specifically for Z87 you

01:02:09.880 --> 01:02:15.319
guys will definitely know I will make sure to let you guys know as far as how

01:02:12.960 --> 01:02:20.839
that works out um but right now guaranteed 100% support is exclusive to

01:02:17.960 --> 01:02:25.319
z97 all right so what I'd like to do is guys we're going to thank everyone for

01:02:22.960 --> 01:02:29.240
sending in their Q&A questions for JJ thanks J for answering them but hold on

01:02:27.599 --> 01:02:34.359
I'm not quite done with you yet JJ cuz I'd love for you to hang around with us

01:02:30.760 --> 01:02:36.880
for one more topic that isn't a Q&A but

01:02:34.359 --> 01:02:43.119
this is something that I have personally bitched to you about and uh now I may be

01:02:40.920 --> 01:02:46.720
getting my way I'm extremely excited and I would love to hear your thoughts on

01:02:45.799 --> 01:02:54.680
the rumor that Intel's upcoming zons

01:02:51.240 --> 01:02:59.000
including some pretty crazy like 18 core

01:02:54.680 --> 01:03:01.520
skes made be unlocked or even water

01:02:59.000 --> 01:03:04.799
cooling optimized which has implications that I'm sure are fairly obvious to you

01:03:03.799 --> 01:03:12.760
for enthusiasts and this was posted originally on the Forum by Luca doesn't

01:03:08.520 --> 01:03:15.240
look like he wants to answer Luca P so

01:03:12.760 --> 01:03:19.599
um let's uh let's oh yeah and the original article was from Hardware

01:03:17.039 --> 01:03:23.480
bot.org sounds interesting to me that's about

01:03:21.880 --> 01:03:28.880
all I can say oh come on

01:03:26.559 --> 01:03:34.599
I wasn't expecting more than that to be honest sounds interesting to me you know

01:03:31.599 --> 01:03:36.599
uh um you know but I I will preface this

01:03:34.599 --> 01:03:40.000
I will preface this the uh there's always a lot of interesting things that

01:03:38.000 --> 01:03:43.799
comes about on the interwebs as you guys know and your guys's forums is a hot bed

01:03:42.319 --> 01:03:49.559
for a lot of this stuff circulating around and people discussing it no at

01:03:47.160 --> 01:03:52.839
all and um you know some of it is sometimes true and some of it's not true

01:03:51.359 --> 01:03:56.839
you know but even around like the upcoming Devil's Canyon there's been a

01:03:54.640 --> 01:04:00.200
lot of supposed communication and validation at what people perceived to

01:03:58.520 --> 01:04:04.480
be truths that were existing before in the community and they think that all of

01:04:01.839 --> 01:04:07.079
a sudden um there's been changes that all of a sudden has somehow aligned with

01:04:05.799 --> 01:04:12.760
these truths that they think existed about older CPUs and uh are going to be

01:04:10.240 --> 01:04:17.079
um all of a sudden I guess proven true uh for uh the refresh Bas CPUs and you

01:04:15.200 --> 01:04:20.799
know all things will come in time as far as you'll see the way things work out um

01:04:19.200 --> 01:04:25.319
but you know like like it is all things will come in time right so that didn't

01:04:22.440 --> 01:04:29.880
sound like a denial you know I I can't like I said I wish I could say more but

01:04:28.039 --> 01:04:33.799
just have to keep have to keep it tuned right you know and I'm sure the moment

01:04:32.160 --> 01:04:36.520
that something is confirmed and validated they're gonna find out from

01:04:35.440 --> 01:04:42.839
you guys because you guys are great about giving everybody that information all right well I'll tell you

01:04:40.319 --> 01:04:46.520
what JJ without you having to confirm or deny anything first of all thank you

01:04:45.039 --> 01:04:51.760
very much for coming on the show it was an absolute pleasure to have you on

01:04:48.079 --> 01:04:53.760
again and second of all just like okay

01:04:51.760 --> 01:04:58.920
just just like the conversation I had with NVIDIA where I was was swapping

01:04:56.319 --> 01:05:03.400
emails with my PR contact at like 3 in the morning um where I I sent out of the

01:05:01.520 --> 01:05:07.440
blue I'm just like you know Shield two rumors are starting to float around and

01:05:05.720 --> 01:05:12.039
you know we're hearing screen resolution this we're hearing that obviously the

01:05:09.520 --> 01:05:16.839
CPUs or the GPU whatever you want to call it I could really piss Invidia off

01:05:14.359 --> 01:05:22.039
and call it an APU um obviously that's been pretty much

01:05:19.079 --> 01:05:26.440
ready for a while so um I sent this email I'm like hey make sure I'm on the

01:05:24.039 --> 01:05:31.200
top of the list for a shield to and he's just sent back LOL but that was all the

01:05:29.599 --> 01:05:36.760
response I needed I just made it sure he heard me JJ man make sure that if any of

01:05:34.440 --> 01:05:41.720
this if any of this Enthusiast grade multicore overclocking unlock stuff

01:05:39.440 --> 01:05:46.200
happens whatever board you guys have that is the very best one whether that's

01:05:43.480 --> 01:05:49.480
a WS or whatever else please make sure that I'm on the top of the list top of

01:05:48.240 --> 01:05:54.799
the list man you guys you guys are always on the top of my list you guys are

01:05:52.720 --> 01:05:58.520
great should we all should we all like kind of hug and kiss before we say bye

01:05:57.000 --> 01:06:01.960
well we need two I'm not even trying to get one we need two it's all good you

01:06:00.200 --> 01:06:06.319
know we we got a healthy Bromance going on it's all right you know I think we're

01:06:03.480 --> 01:06:09.480
all comfortable here you got to get us two of those boards if they exist

01:06:07.640 --> 01:06:14.279
because he's going to steal one and I need to Benchmark it I don't even care

01:06:11.880 --> 01:06:18.400
personally I can I cannot take it home that's fine he's going to take it home

01:06:16.240 --> 01:06:22.119
so I need another one for testing you know I will give you one thing uh it's

01:06:20.319 --> 01:06:26.319
something I actually I wrote about it on the pcdiy site that uh that I handled

01:06:24.240 --> 01:06:29.279
the confit for and but I think it's like a little bit lone fact I don't know if

01:06:27.760 --> 01:06:33.039
you guys already kind of found out about it um but since I couldn't give you a

01:06:31.319 --> 01:06:37.279
confirm or deny about what you guys asked about um a lot of people have been

01:06:35.240 --> 01:06:40.839
asking about the Swift um one of the really cool things I can tell you for

01:06:38.760 --> 01:06:44.319
the Swift is you know the Swift you guys know all the new specs it'll have but

01:06:42.279 --> 01:06:49.559
one of the new functions it also be it will be the first 3D Vision 2560 enabled

01:06:47.640 --> 01:06:53.720
panel so you'll be able to uh game an actually at 3D resolutions Beyond 1080

01:06:51.920 --> 01:06:57.039
so that's at least something maybe you guys didn't know about kind of cool I

01:06:55.599 --> 01:07:02.119
did not I don't like 3D I know you don't

01:06:59.680 --> 01:07:05.920
like 3D but some people do and you haven't tried it with a low persistence

01:07:04.160 --> 01:07:08.920
backlight monitor have you that's true no I haven't so this should this could

01:07:07.839 --> 01:07:14.039
be very interesting I've tried the light boost hack though all right so thank you

01:07:10.920 --> 01:07:15.960
very much JJ and uh we will hopefully

01:07:14.039 --> 01:07:19.760
have you on again I guess in another year when another oh no because we're

01:07:17.920 --> 01:07:23.680
going to you can neither confirm nor deny that we're going to have another

01:07:21.079 --> 01:07:27.319
chipset sooner than that but uh why don't we all agree that we're g to we're

01:07:25.599 --> 01:07:30.680
going to reconvene sooner than a year from now yeah I definitely will say

01:07:29.480 --> 01:07:36.480
sooner than a year from now we can reconvene and uh if any of your guys

01:07:33.200 --> 01:07:38.839
have um any any questions that they want

01:07:36.480 --> 01:07:41.319
answered that I didn't answer um you can tell them they can post in the Forum

01:07:40.160 --> 01:07:44.880
I'll I'll jump back in there a little bit later tonight and I I'll more than

01:07:43.240 --> 01:07:49.720
happy to answer anybody's questions that's fantastic all right thanks JJ and

01:07:47.799 --> 01:07:53.920
uh thanks to uh thanks to all of our viewers if you guys want to just let JJ

01:07:51.599 --> 01:07:57.440
know give him a big old uh you know thanks JJ in the twitch chat or on

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Twitter or whatever else I'm sure he'll want to check that out but now it is

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ever but uh speaking speaking of graceful and perfect Segways that

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couldn't be any better no matter what happened modus is a new sponsor of the W

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show and you guys all need to like legitimately if you have a Facebook

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account and I know not all of you are going to but you are going to want to

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head over to Facebook and head over to

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the modus page so that's m o d i s

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because geek Stakes is going on right

01:12:24.600 --> 01:12:30.280
now you guys and geek Stakes is uh was

01:12:27.719 --> 01:12:35.600
actually a collaborative thing that we worked on uh Austin Evans has been

01:12:32.639 --> 01:12:42.520
involved and it is basically a bunch of crazy awesome prizes what hey guys it's

01:12:39.280 --> 01:12:45.239
geek Stakes 2014 no but seriously uh we

01:12:42.520 --> 01:12:49.679
helped pick all the prizes because they asked us for some insight into what our

01:12:47.360 --> 01:12:53.560
audience would want them to give away so here I'm just going to screen share

01:12:50.880 --> 01:12:58.159
really quick here so there you go it's facebook.com/ modus so notice is an IT

01:12:56.639 --> 01:13:02.360
recruiter so not only do they give away a bunch of cool stuff but you can submit

01:13:00.560 --> 01:13:08.199
your resume to them for free and they handle placements to uh Fortune 500

01:13:05.320 --> 01:13:12.000
companies little tiny startups and all throughout the IT industry it's a way of

01:13:10.400 --> 01:13:17.760
getting a job in the IT industry that quite frankly I had never actually

01:13:14.920 --> 01:13:22.520
considered I'd heard of it so it costs nothing for the actual user and major

01:13:20.800 --> 01:13:27.840
like big companies they asked me not to name any names but big companies use the

01:13:25.239 --> 01:13:30.120
these guys to fill some seriously cool positions I'm sure if you're one of the

01:13:29.080 --> 01:13:35.000
people that want to sign up for this your Google fu is probably good enough to kind of figure that out yeah so

01:13:33.320 --> 01:13:39.600
anyway guys the geek Stakes runs from May 23rd to June 6th and if you go back

01:13:37.400 --> 01:13:44.400
every day you can get additional entries I do want to talk a little bit about

01:13:42.280 --> 01:13:48.320
what they are giving away so there's an MSI

01:13:45.679 --> 01:13:53.440
gs60 that was uh that was my personal contribution I was like okay look you

01:13:51.199 --> 01:13:57.440
guys whatever other prizes you got like that's cool that's cool but you want to

01:13:55.719 --> 01:14:01.760
make sure you've got like a sweet gaming notebook and that was one that was able

01:13:59.400 --> 01:14:05.239
to fit into the price that uh we were able to kind of take away from

01:14:03.320 --> 01:14:11.679
everything else and and be able to hit they are giving away an Oculus Rift they

01:14:08.199 --> 01:14:14.639
are giving away a parrot AR drone a lro

01:14:11.679 --> 01:14:18.800
camera that camera that you can focus after you take the picture they're

01:14:16.199 --> 01:14:22.560
giving away a Fire TV a Sphero that bloth control ball Pebble Smartwatch

01:14:21.159 --> 01:14:26.080
that was my personal contribution as well uh jbird BlueBuds X Bluetooth

01:14:25.080 --> 01:14:30.159
earbud set almost everything on this list is

01:14:28.520 --> 01:14:34.040
stuff we've reviewed in the past they're giving away an M45 gaming mouse my

01:14:32.199 --> 01:14:41.280
personal favorite gaming mouse right now so guys definitely go and check that out

01:14:38.040 --> 01:14:43.600
which brings us into our last sponsor

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guys if you haven't had enough ASUS on this show already what on Earth are you

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doing you know what just go back to the standard one because we've got our ASUS

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the show I'm going to drink some ASUS Kool-Aid here some more and talk to you

01:14:56.440 --> 01:15:05.400
guys about the g750 JZ I don't think we have any other ASUS

01:15:01.520 --> 01:15:07.679
things okay it's so I was doing the W

01:15:05.400 --> 01:15:12.760
show and I brought a laptop I thought that I would rap but you didn't give a

01:15:09.760 --> 01:15:15.840
crap top about my runs that just ain't

01:15:12.760 --> 01:15:18.639
that great but on the show it's my show

01:15:15.840 --> 01:15:22.000
so don't hate oh my God you prepped that didn't you no I actually didn't sorry

01:15:20.320 --> 01:15:25.199
that was 100% freestyle that was pretty good i' I've freestyled better on the

01:15:23.639 --> 01:15:31.159
show before but anyway the point guys this is the g750 JZ is a legit power

01:15:29.080 --> 01:15:35.199
gaming note legit power legit powerful gaming notebook I'm never going to make

01:15:32.639 --> 01:15:39.719
it through you know it's legit power that should be their new tagline Rock

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Solid legit power the the saddest part is I don't

01:15:42.440 --> 01:15:49.960
even think it's impossible no can't even

01:15:46.120 --> 01:15:53.679
power legit L literally can't even

01:15:49.960 --> 01:15:55.719
power okay so anyway the point is um

01:15:53.679 --> 01:16:00.800
it's funny cuz with these with the way we talk about the g750 j-z like we we

01:15:58.520 --> 01:16:05.239
eventually laboriously get the point across but uh if you know if I was ASUS

01:16:03.520 --> 01:16:10.000
I'd be like what what are these guys doing over there but truthfully and this

01:16:07.800 --> 01:16:13.440
is just this is like the biggest tease ever because I'm not going to tell you

01:16:11.159 --> 01:16:18.280
guys anything about it ASUS just signed on with us for something really exciting

01:16:16.320 --> 01:16:22.760
it's a collaborative effort between me and Logan and some other guys

01:16:20.719 --> 01:16:26.440
potentially and they are going to be our presenting sponsor for it we're going to

01:16:24.320 --> 01:16:33.199
be talking about potentially another cool ASUS gaming laptop and it is going

01:16:29.360 --> 01:16:34.639
to be absolutely like bat crap crazy

01:16:33.199 --> 01:16:40.280
expect that to happen around the end of June but in the meantime g750 JZ is what

01:16:38.080 --> 01:16:44.360
I would consider to be about as good as it gets for a desktop replacement

01:16:42.320 --> 01:16:47.360
without getting into that unreasonable size where it just doesn't really make

01:16:45.760 --> 01:16:52.120
any sense anymore and the battery life isn't that good like with this with the

01:16:49.440 --> 01:16:57.080
750 JZ I can get through almost two full W shows on one charge in spite of the

01:16:54.400 --> 01:17:00.400
fact that it is a gaming notebook and if I am gaming obviously battery light's

01:16:58.800 --> 01:17:05.040
not as good but I can get performance that is pretty close to what you could

01:17:02.679 --> 01:17:08.440
do on a modern generation desktop and actually probably about the same as what

01:17:06.440 --> 01:17:12.760
you could do on a last gen high performance gaming desktop with a single

01:17:10.199 --> 01:17:15.560
GPU Enthusiast grade GPU you know what we should do you know how we make like

01:17:14.360 --> 01:17:20.360
Techquickie commercials for different companies every once a while hold on so thanks ASUS for sponsoring the W show

01:17:19.040 --> 01:17:24.400
and providing us with these awesome laptops to use while we broadcast to you

01:17:22.480 --> 01:17:29.760
guys it's like pretty cool of them it's nice cu my last one barely works anymore

01:17:27.040 --> 01:17:35.120
um we should make a like Tech cookie style commercial thing for Jay-Z laptops

01:17:32.679 --> 01:17:40.360
but we should make it where it's a rap battle featuring lonus and lonus has to

01:17:38.159 --> 01:17:44.639
like go through these it's it's kind of like the Pokemon League but in rap

01:17:42.760 --> 01:17:48.679
battle form so you have to like beat all these different rap battle trainer

01:17:47.080 --> 01:17:51.360
people and they all have like different styles and you have to make your way

01:17:50.120 --> 01:17:57.719
through it and then when you win you get a Jay-Z laptop okay oh hey guys oh sorry

01:17:56.000 --> 01:18:02.920
sorry sorry totally totally off topic I've got um I've got our what on Earth

01:18:00.560 --> 01:18:06.800
where is it okay well okay anyway um back to the back to the modus giveaway

01:18:04.800 --> 01:18:13.320
really quickly here just screen share me um the first draw is in half an hour so

01:18:10.600 --> 01:18:16.760
guys seriously legitimately go check it out go like the page right now and

01:18:15.440 --> 01:18:22.080
you'll be entered to win a stick and find so that's that little Bluetooth sticker that Luke and I used for that

01:18:20.400 --> 01:18:25.960
fun little video we did where we played hide the sausage so guys seriously like

01:18:24.560 --> 01:18:32.440
just go there now and go click it because otherwise um I will have to eat

01:18:28.840 --> 01:18:34.199
grul for several weeks and I don't think

01:18:32.440 --> 01:18:39.600
you would want that twitch chat liked my idea they what was your idea oh I hate

01:18:36.400 --> 01:18:41.120
your idea your idea is stupid why you

01:18:39.600 --> 01:18:45.360
your your idea is bad and you should feel bad I want to see you rap battle

01:18:43.320 --> 01:18:50.639
you want to see me rap battle Yeah do you yeah I do actually oh

01:18:47.960 --> 01:18:55.920
boy and yet you don't want to make a foot flick music video okay okay so last

01:18:54.239 --> 01:18:58.960
show you guys I brought up the foot flick thing about how every nerd knows

01:18:57.639 --> 01:19:02.880
how to do the foot flick so they don't yank Ethernet cables and Destroy devices

01:19:01.280 --> 01:19:07.600
so I was saying we should do like a really quick kind of tech tips video on

01:19:05.880 --> 01:19:12.560
like everyone should know how to do the foot flick this is how you do the foot

01:19:09.000 --> 01:19:15.600
flick and his reaction was awesome but

01:19:12.560 --> 01:19:18.239
let's make it a music video do the foot

01:19:15.600 --> 01:19:22.960
flick oh do the foot flick so making like new dance moves but

01:19:21.320 --> 01:19:26.159
part of the foot flick is you got to flick your foot back so hard that you

01:19:24.320 --> 01:19:29.920
fall forward yeah so the whole thing's going to have to be like this it

01:19:27.880 --> 01:19:33.480
couldn't be the same person every time like the idea is that like what like

01:19:31.480 --> 01:19:37.560
we'd have like one cable during the chorus and like one person would walk by

01:19:36.159 --> 01:19:41.360
and like do the foot flick and they'd like like roll past it and then like the

01:19:39.560 --> 01:19:43.840
next person come by do the foot flick and if you can't do the foot flick

01:19:42.639 --> 01:19:47.840
you're going to be in trouble you're going to be on the ground on the double

01:19:46.000 --> 01:19:52.679
and then like someone Falls see I would love to see you in a rap battle I think

01:19:49.639 --> 01:19:54.280
you could do it oh I love it I

01:19:52.679 --> 01:19:57.960
definitely think you could do it so are we yeah I don't know we got to do

01:19:55.880 --> 01:20:02.360
something with the foot flick okay whatever it ends up being we will we

01:20:00.360 --> 01:20:07.840
will do something with the foot flick I cannot promise H nor threaten that it

01:20:05.320 --> 01:20:11.840
will be a rap battle or a music video but it will definitely be something all

01:20:10.199 --> 01:20:17.600
right speaking of things that are definitely something this is cool I mean

01:20:14.000 --> 01:20:21.080
we don't we don't often just find um you

01:20:17.600 --> 01:20:22.480
know like a little small PC announcement

01:20:21.080 --> 01:20:26.960
and sort of make a big deal about it on the W show unless it's a product that we

01:20:24.440 --> 01:20:31.679
think is like really really different and this is still just an all-in-one

01:20:29.639 --> 01:20:39.800
mini piece or not allinone pardon me uh is still just a Mini PC but look at it

01:20:35.440 --> 01:20:43.520
this is the ZBOX sphere and what it is

01:20:39.800 --> 01:20:44.719
is it is a tiny PC like it's it's a okay

01:20:43.520 --> 01:20:51.679
this isn't giving you guys much of an idea of the scale here so this was posted on the Forum by

01:20:48.679 --> 01:20:54.639
4960x seriously people who put like

01:20:51.679 --> 01:20:58.880
years in their usernames or like indiv idual products and their usernames you

01:20:56.960 --> 01:21:03.120
guys got to forward think a little bit more anyway it's it's about this big I

01:21:01.000 --> 01:21:08.239
saw it first at CES but this thing's got a core i5 processor in it and is a full

01:21:06.159 --> 01:21:13.159
computer in the size of a sphere and you know what they deserve some attention

01:21:11.080 --> 01:21:18.639
for this for trying to think out literally outside the box

01:21:16.480 --> 01:21:23.080
oh no you don't want to do that are you sweaty it's nastyy okay well the point

01:21:21.080 --> 01:21:26.800
is they're thinking outside the box in much the same way that apple is getting

01:21:24.920 --> 01:21:30.679
so much attention for but who else is going to pay attention to Zotac for

01:21:28.960 --> 01:21:34.679
doing something a little bit different other than us so I've requested a review

01:21:32.960 --> 01:21:39.159
sample of that I do want to tell you guys more about it I think it's really

01:21:36.280 --> 01:21:45.400
cool uh you basically Twist Off The Top for toolless upgrades it takes a 2 and 1

01:21:41.080 --> 01:21:48.120
half inch SSD an MSA SSD and two sodium

01:21:45.400 --> 01:21:54.760
modules and uh yeah I think that is pretty darn cool speaking of things that

01:21:50.520 --> 01:21:57.040
aren't pretty darn cool oh yeah what is

01:21:54.760 --> 01:22:02.440
what like what so this was posted on the Forum by Neils Kik and the original

01:21:59.800 --> 01:22:06.480
article is from tweakers.net and basically Google sent out a letter that

01:22:05.199 --> 01:22:10.880
was discovered by The Wall Street Journal thank you Wall Street Journal for being cool um this letter was sent

01:22:09.800 --> 01:22:16.600
to the Securities and Exchange Commission back in December arguing that they don't have to specify their

01:22:13.679 --> 01:22:23.760
revenues on mobile ads and one of the arguments that they brought up is that

01:22:19.320 --> 01:22:25.440
it's difficult to indicate um mobile

01:22:23.760 --> 01:22:30.639
devices because as the definition keeps on changing like it's difficult to pin

01:22:27.719 --> 01:22:37.280
down what exactly is a mobile device so they use possible future examples such

01:22:33.159 --> 01:22:40.000
as fridges thermostats glasses and

01:22:37.280 --> 01:22:44.639
watches but the problem here is that even though Google hasn't talked or even

01:22:42.199 --> 01:22:48.960
indicated that they have any plans of implementing ads on any of those kinds

01:22:46.760 --> 01:22:54.159
of devices it shows that they're thinking

01:22:51.360 --> 01:22:58.520
about it like how annoying would that be on something like a watch where you have

01:22:56.320 --> 01:23:02.880
such cover the whole screen limited real estate where it's like or or okay but

01:23:01.239 --> 01:23:06.840
let's let's move away from sort of the watches we have today and kind of go

01:23:05.520 --> 01:23:12.400
okay what about the watch of tomorrow where it has a holographic display or whatever else could we be looking at a

01:23:10.679 --> 01:23:17.000
situation where you like are expected to look past an ad or like if you look at

01:23:14.800 --> 01:23:21.480
it at the wrong angle there's like an ad in your face yeah probably and it's

01:23:20.120 --> 01:23:27.320
frustrating because this brings up the thing that we've talked about before too which is where you totally buy a device

01:23:25.320 --> 01:23:30.400
and then that person that you bought the device from serves you ads which is

01:23:29.360 --> 01:23:34.679
crazy frustrating okay speaking of so anyway

01:23:33.040 --> 01:23:40.480
that's that's just it was a very brief discussion topic there speaking of uh

01:23:37.199 --> 01:23:43.159
buying a device and then having the rug

01:23:40.480 --> 01:23:51.159
completely pulled out from under you LG has uh LG guys not cool like not cool

01:23:48.320 --> 01:23:56.920
what's going on here and as much as uh noir's original post about this is super

01:23:54.520 --> 01:24:01.920
lame it just says silly LG and then is a uh and then is a link to the original

01:23:58.960 --> 01:24:07.040
Source here that is not how we do things Noir um still I actually am not sure

01:24:05.560 --> 01:24:11.679
what else I could have said about it so the original article is from teer.com

01:24:08.719 --> 01:24:17.960
and basically what happened is this gentleman didn't want to roll out an

01:24:14.960 --> 01:24:21.120
update to his 2-year-old TV that would

01:24:17.960 --> 01:24:23.639
change the privacy policy in such a way

01:24:21.120 --> 01:24:29.120
that he wasn't comfortable with so what LG reason sorry with good reason with

01:24:26.560 --> 01:24:32.480
good reason so what LG oh yeah okay so what what it said was yeah when you use

01:24:30.800 --> 01:24:36.560
live plus we may share certain viewing information device information and basic

01:24:34.239 --> 01:24:41.040
usage information with third parties for advertising and analytics purposes and

01:24:39.119 --> 01:24:46.360
enable the provision of information relevant to what you are

01:24:43.000 --> 01:24:47.920
viewing um to third V thir party vendors

01:24:46.360 --> 01:24:51.960
that LG Electronics May engage to provide services on his behalf from time to time such as to collect payment for

01:24:50.880 --> 01:24:57.520
Content you purchase or to fulfill customer service requests or to provide advertising services

01:24:55.239 --> 01:25:03.159
basically the guy was like yeah no that's not cool so LG basically goes

01:25:00.400 --> 01:25:08.800
okay well you can either accept it or you cannot use the smart TV features of

01:25:06.400 --> 01:25:12.840
your smart TV that you bought and it's not like he can just take it back to the

01:25:10.560 --> 01:25:16.440
store at this point to 2-year-old TV that's about from Costco even Costco

01:25:14.520 --> 01:25:24.400
doesn't take back 2-year-old TVs anymore I think it's a three-month limit now

01:25:19.400 --> 01:25:26.920
wow I can't even begin to understand how

01:25:24.400 --> 01:25:31.679
how they feel like this is okay I mean it's and they definitely do because it's

01:25:28.760 --> 01:25:35.920
very plainly written yes that that's going to happen it's part of their

01:25:32.920 --> 01:25:37.960
policy that they can just not if you if

01:25:35.920 --> 01:25:41.520
you refuse to accept the the usage changes and you know what they're not

01:25:39.600 --> 01:25:46.920
the only ones who have covered their butts in such a way that you know they

01:25:45.119 --> 01:25:51.280
could just change anything at any time and you would just have to deal with it

01:25:48.840 --> 01:25:56.280
I just feel like guys when we hear about things like this we have a

01:25:53.119 --> 01:26:00.800
responsibility to not support the guys

01:25:56.280 --> 01:26:03.199
who are if nothing else even if everyone

01:26:00.800 --> 01:26:07.840
has this as part of their policy we can choose not to support the ones that are

01:26:04.760 --> 01:26:09.719
enforcing it and at least make the ones

01:26:07.840 --> 01:26:13.920
that aren't enforcing it kind of look at what's going on and go oh okay well

01:26:12.040 --> 01:26:18.360
let's keep not enforcing let's keep not enforcing that because otherwise we are

01:26:16.400 --> 01:26:20.679
going to back ourselves into a corner where we are just going to have no

01:26:19.639 --> 01:26:25.840
choice and we're not going to have another option I've never really been interested in Smart TVs because I find

01:26:24.440 --> 01:26:31.320
that honestly most of them are junk anyways they truly are um so I wouldn't

01:26:29.199 --> 01:26:36.040
have bought one anyways but this makes it so that if I had to I would

01:26:32.960 --> 01:26:37.360
specifically not buy an LG one CU again

01:26:36.040 --> 01:26:43.119
we have to try and vote with our wallets it rarely seems to work but if we can

01:26:40.480 --> 01:26:48.400
try again that would be fantastic yeah if we could just try that again that

01:26:45.679 --> 01:26:54.920
would be that would be great thanks all right so big news this week

01:26:52.639 --> 01:26:57.920
and I would love for you guys to to let's do like just a general Twitter

01:26:56.440 --> 01:27:03.400
Blitz Q&A we're getting pretty close to the end of the show and if you could

01:26:59.840 --> 01:27:06.480
specifically let me know because I have

01:27:03.400 --> 01:27:08.400
zero marketing support from Microsoft I

01:27:06.480 --> 01:27:13.760
don't know a single person in PR or their PR firm so for me to review the

01:27:11.040 --> 01:27:18.960
surface 3 I'm going to straight up have to buy it so if you guys can let me know

01:27:16.840 --> 01:27:25.199
like are you is some CU I don't need another laptop got g750 j-z Yo anyway uh

01:27:23.320 --> 01:27:28.800
I don't need another laptop so if someone is like yeah I would totally buy

01:27:27.119 --> 01:27:33.360
that off youus without you having to take a huge hit on it uh or if you guys

01:27:31.239 --> 01:27:38.000
are like look this is totally worth the ,200 or so dollars you're going to have

01:27:35.080 --> 01:27:41.320
to spend on a medium spec one to really yeah I know it's a lot of money to and

01:27:39.760 --> 01:27:44.920
we really need you to review this we really need you to talk about this guys

01:27:42.840 --> 01:27:49.080
let me know how important this is to you but basically here it is uh the Verge

01:27:47.360 --> 01:27:54.639
was at the launch event they've got some pictures of it here and this looks like

01:27:51.719 --> 01:27:59.560
what I pretty much asked for back when they launched the original surface and

01:27:56.520 --> 01:28:01.400
the Surface RT it is thinner the

01:27:59.560 --> 01:28:05.880
keyboard implementation is better so they've got a backlit uh type cover now

01:28:04.000 --> 01:28:10.480
that actually mounts to the screen in a in a different way so you can actually

01:28:07.880 --> 01:28:15.360
Fold It Up flat and then lay it against it so that it angles up a little bit at

01:28:12.320 --> 01:28:17.159
the same time um the touchpad is bigger

01:28:15.360 --> 01:28:22.080
on the type cover what they what they've effectively done is they've made it

01:28:19.560 --> 01:28:26.119
while the battery life is still not quite there it's about 8 hours which is

01:28:24.199 --> 01:28:33.199
pretty good but when you compare that to what is it 13 hours on the MacBook

01:28:28.679 --> 01:28:34.400
Air it it apple is like ah I just I want

01:28:33.199 --> 01:28:38.800
someone to beat them batteries are holding everything back everywhere batteries are holding everything back so

01:28:36.840 --> 01:28:43.080
anyway the point is they have pretty much delivered what I asked for when

01:28:40.600 --> 01:28:48.280
they first launched this device a longer battery um great power consumption it's

01:28:46.119 --> 01:28:54.560
thinner it's beautiful it's more functional and it legitimately replaces

01:28:52.520 --> 01:28:58.199
both the tablet and the note book in a way that the original just couldn't do

01:28:56.480 --> 01:29:02.719
because the changes they've made to the kickstand allow it instead of just

01:29:00.119 --> 01:29:07.719
locking into a position or two uh they it uses a friction mount to go anywhere

01:29:04.440 --> 01:29:09.440
from 22 to 150° so you can sit the thing

01:29:07.719 --> 01:29:13.239
up in your lap and still have it be supported well enough that you can use

01:29:10.960 --> 01:29:20.080
it that way or you can lay it down flat and write on it with a

01:29:14.960 --> 01:29:22.960
256 pressure layer or um pressure level

01:29:20.080 --> 01:29:27.360
uh stylus and you can really use it in in every Poss possible way apparently

01:29:25.600 --> 01:29:31.719
the front facing speakers sound great this is a real drawback of many devices

01:29:30.199 --> 01:29:36.280
out there that I just feel like do a crappy job of implementing audio and I'm

01:29:34.400 --> 01:29:40.080
glad to see someone other than HTC taking front-facing speakers and how

01:29:37.960 --> 01:29:45.000
important they are seriously and like honestly guys it's faster it just looks

01:29:42.639 --> 01:29:48.320
like one seriously cool device I really like that raise up that you can do on

01:29:46.199 --> 01:29:52.080
the typ cover I hope it actually this is what I'm talking about right here doesn't make it kind of flex down a lot

01:29:50.560 --> 01:29:56.239
while you're typing cuz that would not be very good I don't know this is the kind of thing that I'd really like to

01:29:55.000 --> 01:30:03.760
there's a close-up of the hinge this is all from The Verge this is how you can lay it all the way down flat pretty much

01:29:59.920 --> 01:30:05.560
so you can draw in it um it's it's

01:30:03.760 --> 01:30:09.000
really clean looking so that surface branding on the back of it is pretty

01:30:07.040 --> 01:30:12.800
much all you see it apparently does get a little bit warm in use I actually like

01:30:11.159 --> 01:30:17.239
this placement of the Windows button right here rather than the bottom one

01:30:14.639 --> 01:30:26.040
because when I sit and use a tablet or even a notebook I'm using my hands or a

01:30:21.440 --> 01:30:29.000
hand and this is as good or better

01:30:26.040 --> 01:30:33.239
always than down here yeah yeah yeah yeah where it's more of a like you like

01:30:30.920 --> 01:30:36.679
grab something and you're liable to accidentally press it as often as press

01:30:35.280 --> 01:30:40.600
it on purpose so uh let's let's do that

01:30:39.119 --> 01:30:43.360
Twitter Blitz shall we guys we want to hear from you I feel bad we don't I feel

01:30:42.400 --> 01:30:50.560
like we don't do enough Twitter interaction on this show anymore but we just have so much stuff to talk about um

01:30:48.639 --> 01:30:54.480
Captain cake says buy one review it and return it okay that is a good suggestion

01:30:52.880 --> 01:30:58.480
but there is an issue with that and that's that if something goes wrong and

01:30:56.600 --> 01:31:02.880
we like you know we scratch it or something then we're in a pretty we're

01:31:00.440 --> 01:31:06.679
in a pretty bad situation um someone says they' rather see us check out the

01:31:04.520 --> 01:31:10.560
Lenovo X1 Carbon so that's from Ryan Jenkins Greg says it's really cool but I

01:31:09.440 --> 01:31:15.360
don't think the audience would be interested enough well that's the point of this Twitter Blitz Let's uh let's

01:31:13.960 --> 01:31:23.400
find out what the audience thinks about this actually speaking of uh the audience there were a couple of things

01:31:18.840 --> 01:31:25.320
that I had in here that I wanted a um uh

01:31:23.400 --> 01:31:29.639
a straw p okay one straw pole Luke can you create a straw pole on the infinex

01:31:28.360 --> 01:31:33.840
so that was that omnidirectional treadmill we looked at before versus

01:31:31.760 --> 01:31:37.840
augmented reality which one you would be more excited about if you could have a

01:31:35.880 --> 01:31:41.960
full setup of either of them for the same price let's say and it supported

01:31:39.679 --> 01:31:48.400
all the same games so infin infinitec VR versus infinitec AR versus no just AR

01:31:46.040 --> 01:31:52.880
like running around out and about uh okay so let's keep Twitter blitzing here

01:31:50.199 --> 01:31:56.560
guys someone says don't buy it my Seuss TB 100 performs probably just as good if

01:31:55.159 --> 01:32:02.239
you can borrow it do that of course but it's not worth your own money Delon yeah

01:31:59.320 --> 01:32:07.360
I I know you want it guys by the way this is the Delon who you can do two

01:32:05.560 --> 01:32:12.360
things for one of two things you can either thank him for being the one who

01:32:09.520 --> 01:32:16.159
does the wow table of contents or you can troll him for being the one who

01:32:14.360 --> 01:32:21.000
makes the occasional mistake in the wow table of contents but huge shout out to

01:32:18.400 --> 01:32:24.360
delans because without him the wo takes a lot longer for us to get up because by

01:32:23.119 --> 01:32:29.400
the end of Friday Luke and I are just exhausted and going

01:32:27.199 --> 01:32:34.760
back and rewatching the show that we just broadcast and like creating a table

01:32:32.639 --> 01:32:38.639
of contents for it is not real high on our list of things that we like super

01:32:36.960 --> 01:32:42.679
awesomely want to do and delans was actually the one who came up with the

01:32:40.040 --> 01:32:46.920
idea of doing uh a condensed table of contents and then the super detailed one

01:32:44.600 --> 01:32:51.520
that you guys can find topic by topic what interests you the most hey twitch

01:32:49.280 --> 01:32:55.280
decided to allow me to be a mod again oh cool that's cool it wasn't this entire

01:32:53.280 --> 01:32:58.600
stream so far I would like to see the new Surface but wouldn't be the end of

01:32:56.520 --> 01:33:03.080
the world if I didn't get one okay all right lower your dongers because the

01:33:00.400 --> 01:33:07.119
mods are perab Banning for flexing dongers the surface looks great don't

01:33:05.480 --> 01:33:12.679
have the money now so much better than terrible Windows 8.1 is still a real

01:33:09.800 --> 01:33:19.880
challenge for me um like I still you know issues man you know what it is 95

01:33:16.199 --> 01:33:22.080
98% of the time I'm 100% okay with it

01:33:19.880 --> 01:33:27.639
but then when I'm actually in a hurry to get something done and I swipe off the

01:33:24.840 --> 01:33:33.600
side of my touchpad accidentally when I'm just trying to move the

01:33:29.239 --> 01:33:35.360
mouse it it really drives me up the wall

01:33:33.600 --> 01:33:41.440
it really does in a way that I can't even rationally

01:33:37.560 --> 01:33:44.320
justify but and like when I AC when I

01:33:41.440 --> 01:33:49.639
when I fire up a new pc and I go to listen to a song or look at a picture

01:33:46.880 --> 01:33:54.719
and it opens that garbage modern UI application that is just less hurdles to

01:33:51.719 --> 01:33:57.040
jump through worthless I just it just I

01:33:54.719 --> 01:34:01.080
just go and they have to sit and wait for it to launch and they're so slow

01:33:59.159 --> 01:34:04.400
they really slow they're slow to launch and it's just I know it's only a few

01:34:02.719 --> 01:34:07.719
seconds and this is a total first world problem and it's stupid but it's not

01:34:06.000 --> 01:34:11.880
slow to launch the desktop app but it's not slow to launch the desktop app we're

01:34:09.320 --> 01:34:17.480
solving a problem that we never had anyway uh yes please do it says

01:34:15.000 --> 01:34:20.159
Sebastian isn't it funny how you care more about the way your case interior

01:34:18.880 --> 01:34:23.880
looks and the way your watch looks what's wrong with my watch yeah really I

01:34:22.480 --> 01:34:28.760
like this watch actually a lot of of people have asked me about this is a cojito smartwatch I haven't spent much

01:34:27.280 --> 01:34:33.600
time with the app yet so don't run out and buy them just because I'm wearing it yet I will let you guys know what I

01:34:31.679 --> 01:34:38.480
think of it but I've had a lot of people compliment me on this watch to be

01:34:35.280 --> 01:34:39.880
perfectly honest um more people than the

01:34:38.480 --> 01:34:43.520
pebble with the pebble people are like what is that with this one people are

01:34:41.600 --> 01:34:51.600
like oh what's that yeah 0.01 cares about Microsoft

01:34:48.600 --> 01:34:53.840
Hardware hash just get Aus to build

01:34:51.600 --> 01:34:57.320
it uh it would be really nice if you review the Surface Pro 3 already

01:34:55.719 --> 01:35:03.199
considered buying it buying the Surface Pro 2 okay uh someone an says review a

01:35:00.960 --> 01:35:07.600
base Surface three that's an interesting angle where we go okay here is the

01:35:06.199 --> 01:35:12.679
starting point because I think most everyone else is going to be looking at high-end or mid-range configurations

01:35:11.199 --> 01:35:16.040
whereas if we go okay no we're going to do like a really good review of so this

01:35:14.520 --> 01:35:19.480
is the Surface three by the way you can also get these things by way you buy the

01:35:17.560 --> 01:35:23.719
high models go go look at other people's reviews if you want to know what like

01:35:20.920 --> 01:35:28.119
the cor i7 one performs like that's interesting it's not a bad idea it also

01:35:25.320 --> 01:35:31.280
save you some money Ashley okay you were doing pretty well in this tweet up till

01:35:29.480 --> 01:35:36.639
the bit about putting 10 GB Ethernet on the surface for I don't think that's

01:35:33.600 --> 01:35:39.159
going to happen so good did we just did

01:35:36.639 --> 01:35:42.040
we just lose a hockey game to the fins is that the joke here what's going on in

01:35:40.880 --> 01:35:49.639
the world championships I haven't actually looked at it in the last couple days I don't think we did last

01:35:47.159 --> 01:35:54.920
night pretty sure we didn't lose last night oh World Championships yeah world

01:35:52.400 --> 01:35:59.880
championships hockey I I don't know I haven't haven't been paying that wanting

01:35:56.480 --> 01:36:02.360
team to F Coach Dave tippet thought that

01:35:59.880 --> 01:36:07.520
yeah no they beat the fins yeah screw you guys um okay I have the pro two it's

01:36:05.600 --> 01:36:16.040
awesome reveal the pro three says bebs kadoo who is my my favorite whatever you

01:36:12.400 --> 01:36:17.880
are cool guy favorite dude the sa the

01:36:16.040 --> 01:36:21.600
surface is the one to review go for it okay so looks like people straight up

01:36:20.080 --> 01:36:26.520
really want me to check out the surface 3 okay I'm going to I'm going to order

01:36:23.600 --> 01:36:30.320
one today okay I'll order one and uh you know if someone wants to you know buy it

01:36:28.360 --> 01:36:33.920
off of us on the garage sale I can promise you there will be a bit of a

01:36:31.600 --> 01:36:38.480
deal but it might not be a lot cheaper than uh you know than a surface 3 that

01:36:36.440 --> 01:36:42.960
uh you buy new but it'll be in great condition I'll take really good care of

01:36:39.600 --> 01:36:45.560
it to the best of my ability here guys

01:36:42.960 --> 01:36:49.440
um Zach Janice says why not just get a convertible notebook you know what it's

01:36:46.880 --> 01:36:53.960
a great question and uh I was using a Del X ps12 for a long time which is a

01:36:51.679 --> 01:36:59.360
convertible notebook the reason would say that a surface 3 might make sense is

01:36:56.920 --> 01:37:07.040
that a convertible notebook is not a tablet whereas a surface 3 is a tablet

01:37:03.400 --> 01:37:09.840
but it also has so much more capability

01:37:07.040 --> 01:37:13.719
than a tablet because of the kickstand because of the stylus because of the

01:37:12.360 --> 01:37:17.719
ability to add these keyboard accessories that are well implemented

01:37:15.800 --> 01:37:21.320
and not cluggy I also find that this tablet is going to be a lot thinner and

01:37:19.119 --> 01:37:27.639
smaller over it's much thinner much lighter so there are real reasons why

01:37:23.920 --> 01:37:30.040
surface makes sense Beyond uh or instead

01:37:27.639 --> 01:37:33.080
of a convertible notebook uh apparently the I5 model comes out two months sooner

01:37:31.560 --> 01:37:38.360
than the others so I guess we might end up just uh hitting that one I guess

01:37:36.639 --> 01:37:43.599
Philip says yeah yeah I'll definitely take it after you review it all right fair enough oh we've got people asking

01:37:41.400 --> 01:37:48.040
about the modus sweep Stakes or geek Stakes excuse me I think the draw is in

01:37:45.880 --> 01:37:52.280
eight minutes unless it was at nine shoot I'm uh dirty I think I'm at a bit

01:37:50.199 --> 01:37:56.400
of a loss here okay well either way guys go back every weekday and make sure that

01:37:54.480 --> 01:38:02.000
you go uh that you go check that out and thanks again to modus for sponsoring our

01:37:58.280 --> 01:38:04.360
show today uh have you seen the metal

01:38:02.000 --> 01:38:08.440
metag glasses space glasses for AR no I haven't but we don't click links on uh

01:38:06.520 --> 01:38:11.360
on Twitter on the wow anymore after some bad

01:38:09.679 --> 01:38:18.159
experiences I don't think that's the best still grab of uh luk ever

01:38:14.400 --> 01:38:21.560
no okay so that's about it setting aside

01:38:18.159 --> 01:38:24.880
the money Nintendo and Sony has what

01:38:21.560 --> 01:38:28.280
would be the ups and downs of Nintendo

01:38:24.880 --> 01:38:30.360
straight up buying

01:38:28.280 --> 01:38:34.360
PlayStation I'd be down with Nintendo buying PlayStation they won't at all for

01:38:32.679 --> 01:38:39.880
sure because I mean the thing is that it's not in their like model at

01:38:36.880 --> 01:38:43.840
all the thing that I think

01:38:39.880 --> 01:38:45.719
people need to get about Nintendo is

01:38:43.840 --> 01:38:51.159
that they're not having trouble right now because they can't build a build a

01:38:48.239 --> 01:38:54.679
powerful gaming console or because they can't pursue the whole third party trip

01:38:53.800 --> 01:39:03.040
well okay they are having trouble pursuing third party triaa gaming titles but it's because of the different

01:38:59.800 --> 01:39:06.000
approach that they believe in pursuing

01:39:03.040 --> 01:39:09.400
with you know multiple screens and different controller schemas and all

01:39:07.840 --> 01:39:14.040
that kind of stuff it's not like Nintendo doesn't know how to build a

01:39:11.760 --> 01:39:19.960
brick with controllers plugged into it um so they wouldn't buy PlayStation for

01:39:16.159 --> 01:39:22.599
the sake of the innovation of PS4 being

01:39:19.960 --> 01:39:26.760
a brick with controllers yeah wirelessly connected to it

01:39:24.599 --> 01:39:31.199
being pluged into wireless controllers all we modes so I just think straight up

01:39:29.639 --> 01:39:35.239
Nintendo just wouldn't even be interested even if they could afford it

01:39:33.159 --> 01:39:40.360
nope I don't think so either like at all and I'm okay with that I think Wii U and

01:39:37.920 --> 01:39:46.080
I think 2DS 3DS deserves a lot more attention and a lot more respect than it

01:39:41.960 --> 01:39:48.040
gets cuz honestly 2DS 3DS is really fun

01:39:46.080 --> 01:39:52.239
they're integrated super well that's another thing people don't understand is

01:39:49.320 --> 01:39:56.639
everyone everyone will complain for days when Battlefield doesn't work off the

01:39:54.480 --> 01:40:00.840
bat and tight Titanfall is not very well optimized for PC off the bat and there's

01:39:58.760 --> 01:40:06.320
like all these problems all over the place but then when every single

01:40:03.119 --> 01:40:08.920
Nintendo game like ever works completely

01:40:06.320 --> 01:40:13.760
flawlessly out of the box as far as I can think of off the top of my head uh

01:40:11.400 --> 01:40:16.840
no one seems to really care I have a Wii U and I have a 2DS they're both

01:40:15.360 --> 01:40:21.360
absolutely fantastic whenever anyone comes over we often end up playing Wii U

01:40:19.199 --> 01:40:25.239
because PC games are great but they're great when your buddy is still at his

01:40:22.840 --> 01:40:29.480
house or you're landing and that's actually kind of difficult to kind do

01:40:26.880 --> 01:40:32.440
all the time um so yeah I don't I don't know I don't know I think they deserve a

01:40:31.119 --> 01:40:36.880
lot more attention than they get I mean speaking of of uh of their games all

01:40:34.760 --> 01:40:41.159
working flawlessly the gam spy serers shutting down was a bit of a problem

01:40:39.280 --> 01:40:44.480
recently for DS owners who still want to play Mario Kart Wii owners who still

01:40:43.080 --> 01:40:48.639
want to play their games but that was brutal there's some good news out of all

01:40:46.840 --> 01:40:54.080
of this as well this was originally posted by Bonsai 99 on the Forum and

01:40:51.320 --> 01:40:59.920
here's a post from bungie.net Halo

01:40:55.320 --> 01:41:02.880
PC Combat Evolved and custom Edition

01:40:59.920 --> 01:41:08.280
there's a new patch so the GameSpy servers went down

01:41:05.719 --> 01:41:13.880
so you weren't going to be able to even look for online servers because the the

01:41:10.599 --> 01:41:16.239
server list server is gone so some dude

01:41:13.880 --> 01:41:20.280
in the community coded a new server list Bungie put up some of their own servers

01:41:17.960 --> 01:41:23.679
to host this stuff and things are rolling again one of the big things in

01:41:21.920 --> 01:41:28.080
the new patch was they did a bunch of small bug fixes so essentially the game

01:41:25.960 --> 01:41:32.480
should have died this month and Bungie was just like nope here's patches fixing

01:41:30.920 --> 01:41:38.679
things here patch is bringing the servers back you guys are good to go and

01:41:35.320 --> 01:41:40.880
that's awesome that's super cool like so

01:41:38.679 --> 01:41:46.400
much more respect for bung so like it's fixing things like upper boundary on

01:41:43.480 --> 01:41:51.239
video resolution fixing things like they're even fixing they fixed active

01:41:48.159 --> 01:41:54.280
camo on NVIDIA cards like they're even

01:41:51.239 --> 01:41:58.920
fixing like graphical stuff never mind

01:41:54.280 --> 01:42:00.040
crashes or like oh man that so cool

01:41:58.920 --> 01:42:04.480
there was a bunch of different members of the community that brought up some of these bugs and like different ways that

01:42:03.080 --> 01:42:08.320
they could fix it and whatnot and then that guy in the community coded this

01:42:06.440 --> 01:42:11.599
list and people I know people are going to come back and be like oh well they

01:42:09.760 --> 01:42:15.880
kept it up because like strong Community Focus and the community kind of fixed

01:42:13.960 --> 01:42:20.280
everything for them doesn't matter this happens all the time yeah there's super

01:42:18.599 --> 01:42:24.080
dedicated people in so many different communities it's insane that ask really

01:42:22.199 --> 01:42:28.679
nicely really allowed to fix it yeah exactly yeah this

01:42:26.360 --> 01:42:32.040
happens all the time it just it took Bungie to actually accept this help and

01:42:30.679 --> 01:42:38.639
actually do it and then thank those people which I think is really cool I think this is just like the the coolest

01:42:35.520 --> 01:42:40.920
most like feeling happy like gaming news

01:42:38.639 --> 01:42:44.679
that like I I just I want to go buy a copy I want to go back and play Halo I

01:42:42.800 --> 01:42:48.159
just want to go buy a copy and like play the heck out of it go play through the

01:42:46.040 --> 01:42:51.920
single player we should like I've wanted to do this a long time okay you know

01:42:49.560 --> 01:42:58.840
what guys you got to let us know you got us let us you got to let us know

01:42:54.040 --> 01:43:01.280
um if we did a very small land event in

01:42:58.840 --> 01:43:05.000
Vancouver would you guys be down to help us cover the costs it would be a very

01:43:03.360 --> 01:43:08.760
small land event and it wouldn't be like at my house or anything so we would have

01:43:06.599 --> 01:43:13.560
to actually get a venue so it might not be that cheap no um but would you guys

01:43:11.280 --> 01:43:18.159
be down to come and hang with us I have to say I haven't played much in the way

01:43:16.119 --> 01:43:22.639
of video games in the last little while and I firmly believe that a land is only

01:43:20.599 --> 01:43:27.280
fun as long as everyone is on the same page and playing the same game so we

01:43:24.760 --> 01:43:31.520
would publish a games list and we would expect people to come and play those

01:43:29.000 --> 01:43:35.760
games and have fun and eat some snacks but would you guys be down to come to

01:43:32.960 --> 01:43:43.400
something like that even if it was like fullon Nazi mode anyone opens wow at

01:43:40.159 --> 01:43:45.880
this land we will literally have him

01:43:43.400 --> 01:43:48.760
pick you up pick up your computer and throw both of you out the door we'll

01:43:47.520 --> 01:43:54.920
bring my brother too just yeah we'll bring your brother too just in case we need some more like thug muscle but

01:43:53.280 --> 01:43:58.320
there you go guys would you be down to come let us know on Twitter I'm not

01:43:56.840 --> 01:44:01.760
going to Blitz it right now but I will definitely check it out later and I'd

01:44:00.440 --> 01:44:05.040
love to see the results of that straw pole that we were that we created before

01:44:03.440 --> 01:44:11.080
so here no no I'm just going to we'll switch over to you here so in was having

01:44:08.040 --> 01:44:13.679
an issue on Firefox but I've got it up

01:44:11.080 --> 01:44:18.040
in Chrome way to be straw pole okay so here we go I did allow multiple votes I

01:44:16.440 --> 01:44:21.599
did allow multiple votes that's how it's going to be so I made it so that people

01:44:19.880 --> 01:44:25.599
could vote for multiple things and a lot of people still just decided to vote for

01:44:23.440 --> 01:44:29.920
one thing and that was the lonus rap battle I I got after you for posting

01:44:27.840 --> 01:44:33.800
like banana and all this other crap and all of our polls so I was like you know

01:44:31.320 --> 01:44:40.599
what whatever I can do it too so lus rap battle wins with 70% of the votes um and

01:44:37.159 --> 01:44:42.400
then the rest of it got almost no votes

01:44:40.599 --> 01:44:47.719
this isn't even like statistically significant not even close so both the

01:44:45.760 --> 01:44:54.119
other options got under 20% I hate you infinitec VR coming in at

01:44:50.840 --> 01:44:56.560
177% and AR not even getting 15% coming

01:44:54.119 --> 01:45:02.440
in at 13% personally I vote for AR running around um but infinite de VR

01:44:59.440 --> 01:45:04.440
would be awesome as well and I think the

01:45:02.440 --> 01:45:10.000
nice smooth experience would probably come first to in infinitec VR style

01:45:07.800 --> 01:45:14.239
gaming right because being able to actively render things in ai ai really

01:45:12.639 --> 01:45:21.239
really well and on the flying stuff I think is not really going to happen for a little while now it's at 69% that's

01:45:17.880 --> 01:45:24.880
perfect all right well on that uh on

01:45:21.239 --> 01:45:27.560
that completely mature and uh you know

01:45:24.880 --> 01:45:32.360
sophisticated note thank you guys very much for tuning in to the WAN Show we'll

01:45:29.320 --> 01:45:33.800
see you guys again next week and uh I

01:45:32.360 --> 01:45:36.960
I'll probably I don't think I'm going to do a garage sale today but I'll come

01:45:35.360 --> 01:45:43.400
back and stream for a couple minutes but then I got to go get the uh got to go

01:45:38.520 --> 01:45:43.400
get the baby so good stuff all

01:45:44.520 --> 01:45:51.400
right seriously you got to pull the thing up way to go well if I

01:46:08.199 --> 01:46:15.520
oh we just had uh talk 46 message us and let us know that the Mario Kart Wii

01:46:12.880 --> 01:46:19.159
Community also managed to create C custom server something well it's a

01:46:17.880 --> 01:46:24.800
tweet so I don't know that the grammar is necessarily correct but there you go

01:46:20.960 --> 01:46:27.320
so that's pretty cool yeah

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o