the mic's in kind of a random position but uh you know what whatever guys you
know the funny thing about technical difficulties is that sometimes you're
looking for these complicated Solutions because we've had so many problems on
this show in the past with like capture
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funny stupid stuff like this where outputting over HDMI from a laptop by
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theory is a 1080p 60 htz signal but on
our capture card you don't set a
progressive input you set
59.97 interlaced it's just like stuff that
unless you're some kind of savant you
can't possibly be expected to know and so we've done enough trial and error
with this stuff that when something doesn't work and I go oh no my laptop
capture is not working okay let's try all the HS and try all the like I'm
going to I'm going to grab like tables and adapters laptops get yeah grab grab
like you know half a dozen different laptops and like the weird like adapters
that you made by putting together multiple adapters and then it turns out
someone stepped on the blanking cable
and p pulled it out of the capture card over on the other end which I can't see
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bikes are evidently an actual thing
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one also the infinitec could be a more
elegant omnidirectional treadmill solution compared to the virtuix Omni
which we have checked out but there are going to be some challenges so we'll
talk to you guys more about that after um l oh I'll let you talk it's all good
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show here it was almost I was almost in a bit of an awkward position where I was
I was like maybe it's the laptop's fault that I can't output and screen share and
I was like oh that's going to be like really really awkward if I have to say
that but it wasn't so now Y no
awkwardness I get to talk about the Rock Solid heart touching reliability of
the HDMI output on this notebook and I don't have to stress out about that
other stuff I'm sorry did it touch your heart oh it definitely touched me you
emotionally happy I don't know about the heart it does kind of touch you actually
it does touch me quite intimately and it it it it it touches my junk yep it
touches my junk and I'm okay with that because it actually doesn't run that hot
yeah yeah that's true for a gaming notebook I'm surprisingly okay with it's
just like a nice comfortable warm
yeah having warm junk is not a bad thing
so we both comfortably spoon our
notebooks our notebooks the W show well no for us to call it spooning we'd have
to like kind of turn them around and just really bad for usability sit like
this with them yeah but there you know what if I had a criticism of ASUS's
latest gaming notebook reach round is not very easy doesn't
work reach round is very difficult to manage oh you need to make it so that
the keyboard can pop out and then swivel around yeah so you can type backwards
the funny thing about ASUS is they have so many different notebooks that they like probably have one like that
like the taichi it's got screens on both
sides yes perfect okay there we go oh I
love it what the hell are we even talking about I don't know spooning
laptops spooning laptops no we have an actual show to can you just stay focused
for 5 minutes I guess I mean like jeez
man twitch chat is uh not working for me so unfortunately I can't chat with you
guys maybe it's because I got signed out for some reason I'm just going to go
ahead and sign that baby back in and then let's let's let's kick off our
first topic here you guys our first topic I believe is hover bikes hover
bikes let's do that okay so you guys check this out this is unreal we're
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it is you guys skip button here the world's first functional hover bike the
Aro X and this is such a great this is such a great
uh this is such a great tagline the aox
lets you pretend to hover bike through the forests of Endor which it legit
actually does so this picture is not faked in any way this isn't like the
hover skateboard H that was so depressing with you know Christopher
Lloyd and Tony Hawk and like all these people involved that I was just like
what are you guys actually doing and it was like right before but not on April
fools yeah like it wasn't April fools I
was just like yeah this is just kind of mean to people because a lot of people
really went for it so I I was sad for
them um so basically this the video here
is actually from a prototype um back in
2012 and I don't know if we've got audio here I don't know if there's actually
audio on this uh on this video here I'm just going to check really quick here
yeah okay there's no audio on the video but some of the interesting stuff actually happens a little bit later so
some of the challenges that they went through were figuring out how to counter
the um like when you're when you're first spinning up the roers there's a
lot of force that can cause it to that can cause the bike to to to to torque
one way or the other they had to figure out how to counter that they had to take
some cues from quadricopter like the parad Drone with respect to how to track
if you're just drifting in the wind uh the idea though and this is this is the
craziest thing about it the idea here is
that if you ride a motorcycle you should be able to straight up get on one of
these and ride it which as someone who can ride a
motorcycle is like pretty exciting yeah
so they're going pretty slow in this video but this is quite an old video oh
yeah I saw this like years ago oh man look at this but what's cool about it is
they're giving us some specs about the finished one so they're saying it can go
up to 67 km an hour and up to 3.7 M High which doesn't sound
like a ton 72 km hour sorry and up to
3.7 met High which doesn't sound that high but think about this for a second
uh especially the American viewers
um 3.7 m is more than a
story like that's more than the height of like almost pretty much the highest
ceiling you'd ever find in a house so you would you could literally be driving
around looking into Second Story Windows
if something like this was ever street legal which you probably shouldn't do
yeah and you probably shouldn't do that and the reason for forward the reason
for the 3.7 meter height restriction is actually so that you don't get
classified as an aircraft um in theory I guess there's no
real reason why it couldn't go higher but like someone's going to make like
that override going to die oh yeah it's going to be brutal like someone will die
and then they're going to set back personal flying vehicles like 10 20
years and it's going to be terrible you are wrecking it for us all they they
have safety stuff too which I thought was interesting those like anti- flip
guide rails that you saw around the side in the video um and they're thinking
about doing stuff like replacing those or adding on airbags which I think is
really smart that's actually either
really smart or like just a totally bad
idea like how do you put an airbag on a motorcycle no I think it's designed more
like that that motorcycle helmet that's in airbag or sorry not motorcycle helmet
but like pedal biking helmet yeah okay because it'll it'll not it'll register a
fall and then so yeah I I think it's going to be around the sides so it could
be more like a suit almost even or a I'm
in freef fall and it goes like a marshmallow man from Ghostbusters on
me it just like lets itself pop so you
have the soft impact and then maybe you fall like a foot but it's no big deal I
don't think you'd want it to let itself pop because the thing about crumple
zones on cars is that they're designed to be weak but strong enough because
like let's say Okay so let's let's think about it's not going to it's a it's a
unless they make it foam if it's an airbag it's not going to crumple Zone
yeah exactly so like if it popped that's like kind of like crumple Zone logic
yeah that's why I was thinking yeah so that's like probably terrible cuz like
depend okay depending how you're falling right yeah because if the way that you
crash is kind of like you know the one Stormtrooper or bike trooper or whatever
they were called you know why they had those those uh because there was an
issue manufacturing like stormtrooper armor and so they were like oh yeah
we'll like redesign them we'll call them like these Troopers this is all this is
all hearsay it's not validated but that's a rumor I heard so anyway like
the one guy who gets thrown off the bike and goes into the tree and like what I
think was one of the most memorable Star Wars bad guy deaths actually the guy who
like hits the tree upside down and then falls down so if that was how you like
fell off of it like something disastrous happened you went flying off of it at 72
km an hour you would want it to be solid
enough yeah my only bounce more than
like that's what I was worried about though is exactly what you just said is bouncing cuz I don't want to bounce I
feel like that would be a terrible thing and you're just smacking something at 72
km an hour and then going bong one way
that you could absorb the impact without letting the air out of the device is you
could allow the to shift around inside
the bubble so not like fully inflated yeah so like a little bit of relax yeah
or if you had like or if you had um you know narrower gaps internally so that
the air can't move extremely quickly from one zone to another squeeze into
another Zone but flow yeah then you could keep it from just bouncing off of
trees or neither of us are Engineers Nei seems like a not terrible idea safety
you know Rangers I thought that was super cool when they came out with the
biking helmet that inflates it was just way too expensive if I remember
correctly yeah it was yeah it was really expensive crazy expensive um and I don't
even know that it was available in North America so that's I don't really think
so it it was just like a university project not how airbags work lennice I
know that's not how airbags work we're not talking about airbags and again
we're not safety Engineers so like don't listen to any of that cuz none of that
will happen we would be we would be safety fun engineers
I think what they were talking about anyways was airbags on the side of the
thing I like this idea from Felix r90 a
giant laser beam that destroys everything in front of you perfect so
you don't hit it and you never have to worry about it well because you know what that's that's why motorcyclists on
the track can crash at you know a couple hundred kilometers an hour and actually
be much less likely to be injured or killed than someone who crashes on the
street going 70 80 km an hour because
there's no obstacles I thought you were going to like cuz they're giant laser
beams and I was like what no it's like yeah the Ducati laser beam mobile no
because what happens is if you if you watch what happens when a motorcycle is Crash like it's still bad and you can
still get like messed up real good but they skid on their gear they slide on
the gear whereas when you hit a lamp post it's horrible your slide stops yeah
I saw this GIF terrible segue but I saw this GIF of guys skateboarding and the
one guy flies off and his skateboard goes across and takes out a few people
one of the guys jumps off his skateboard before he gets hit by the other
skateboard and they're going really fast so he has to like keep himself running
but he's going too quick and he Dives and he skims right beside this pole and
he slides like really fast right beside it and if you would have nailed right
into it that would have been really bad did you see the uh did God did you see
the one at the skateboarder who lands on his ass at the bottom of a of a bike
Rail and then like lands right on the skateboard yeah and then just like rolls
on by and the guy gives him a high five
oh that was awesome we should just turn this whole show into meme I know we
should just cover all the memes Ray William Johnson's not doing equals 3
anymore I think that there is a definite Gap okay sorry guys it's not April fools
so I shouldn't be making jokes like that we are not turning this into equals 3 no
like equals equals when we're rebranding the show again and
you guys will all hate it again okay let's do one more topic before we bring
JJ on just because otherwise I feel like we're not going to get any topics done
today infinite um yeah the infinite this
you guys this this is um
actually I you know what I'll let I'll let you introduce this topic um I'm
going to fire up the video here though so that they can check this out while you talk so Omni was called a
360° treadmill essentially but it wasn't
really I it depends on I guess how you want to look at that but I don't really
see it as a treadmill because you just kind of slid yeah shoes that were
designed for sliding it's more like a tread cereal bowl yeah that you stand in
yeah this is actually a treadmill that can actually go in 360° which is very
interesting you can see they're walking on crazy angles but that's because the
the Treads are moving in two different directions which allow that to be able to happen so very interesting it still
has tons of the same problems that Omni has and probably even more so in the
idea of it not being very easy to store
uh being gigantic in general being expens being expensive difficult to
manufacture difficult to manufacture all that kind of stuff um probably even more
so for most of those it has tons of other issues too in terms of latency
getting feedback from the game and it not reacting in time you moving in a
weird way and it not reacting in time all this kind of stuff that being said
it's really early on so hopefully that
kind of stuff can come later um it's it's yeah it's it's going
to be expensive I can't see this possible because you got to think it's
more advanced than a normal Y and treadmills are already not that
cheap but then again exercise equipment seems to be the biggest gigantic scam in
the entire world in terms of how much that stuff costs versus how much it
costs to manufacture I mean it's a weight it's literally a hunk of metal
the dumbbells that I have at my house are like just it's one solid piece like
it's not one of those really nice ones and even the paint on it is like it obviously dripped on the one side and
they all look like that they're like not even that cheap cheap and they're just completely crap but it's just the
cheapest ones that they had so I was like whatever I don't need a fancy one
it weighs a certain amount and I pick it up and put it
down I'm not too worried about it like biggest scan ever you know that would be
that would be a great business idea so
Media Group Waits no no not I don't want to do it but but if someone if someone
went okay we're going to make like environmentally conscious exercise
equipment so basically all it is is like
recycled metal crap and they just molded into the shape of things
that people can lift and put down and they'll just be like look this stuff legit didn't cost us any more than scrap
metal costs so you cover the shipping you cover our cost to turn it into this
shape and we're good and also some
profit not but not as much but not that
much yeah not that much that's not a bad idea I'm sure that would work pretty
well actually it's the not the world's most horrible idea
by lightest Media Group oh we never oh we never said the uh the hover bike uh
right you you have to put down 5,000 and the price is going to be 85,000 so you
put down 5,000 just to reserve one and they're not expecting them to actually
be available until 2017 so this is like some pretty
hardcore pre-ordering going on but you know expecting you know clients like US
border patrol or Park Rangers or let they're an off-road vehicle to be the
the Target for this um maybe maybe they're willing maybe some of them are
willing to at least invest in one to find out if it's a good idea and then go
from there apparently someone has named them slick lifts slick lifts I I think
slick lifts are more like the kind of thing I would want to wear in my
shoes oh that's not a bad name slick lifts and
they could be like stylish they could be like fancy colors because if if we've
learned anything from Kickstarter it's that people will Kickstart the hell out
of anything that's a completely normal thing but like different colors did you
see that Kickstarter for brightly colored USB like micro cables no I was
just like really and someone was like oh lonus you should cover this you should
request a sample and I'm just like what could I possibly say hates micro USB
cables with a with all the fiery passion
that I can conjure in my soul um I I hate micro USB so you know a
slightly more aesthetically pleasing micro USB cable is unlikely to light a
fire for me something I also want to bring up about infinitec if we're going
to be bouncing around in topics is uh the the the possible Resurgence and
comeback of the arcade I brought this up when we first
started talking about because if you have like a home infinitec it's going to
be this little tiny thing if you go to a giant arcade it could be infinex style
infinite room yeah and it could be like
a whole whole room and that kind of a thing might cost $100,000 so you're not
going to be able to afford it in your house yeah and you might not have space
for it like at all but every arcade in the Lower Mainland here in the Vancouver
area is gone now because you can get so
close to that experience at home whereas
this could be a complete Revival for that business model where it's like you
look you know come in and pay 30 bucks an hour to use whatever you want and
with virtual reality and the kinds of
I I can imagine someone like Oculus having a professional grade option
versus a consumer grade option so having like really Advanced virtual reality
with much better sensors low latency cameras for motion tracking all built
all around into the room built into a room I mean that's the kind of thing
that I I would I would go and I would pay 30 bucks an hour to go chill for a
couple hours i' try yeah if if they had VR and AR experiences too you could have
both Styles that's my problem with the infinitec though is I really don't think
that stationary okay outside of markets where like places like Europe and Japan
where they're legitimately not going to have enough space for an augmented
reality gaming experience I think that augmented reality is going to be the one
that draws me much more than VR like I would rather deal with the inconvenience
of a backpack with like a heavy battery in it or something and a front-facing
camera that augments what what I see and
then you're going to get like essentially uh paintball fields yes
because one problem with that is if you just kind of cruise if you do it in your
house it's a very limited setup yes every map's going to be the same it's going to get really boring if you do it
outside people are going to look at you like you're absolutely insane and
they're probably going to try and talk to you and that's going to break the whole immersion experience so it's going
to have to be like a like a a VR field I
think which could be really cool and you know what it comes back to our tanks and
RC tanks and planes idea where like oh
man people might not even get that reference actually piloting you know
like a plane and being able to fire like virtual lasers and crap at other
people's planes and like take them down
the future is the future is exciting um all right so why don't we bring JJ on do
you want to get him to join us
here I'm going to just tweet this out tune in live
at you w twitch.
tvlist we actually have a watch page on linch tips.com I just don't know the URL
which is sort of a terrible terrible thing nobody does anymore yeah okay all
right so bring on our oh oh is that are
you there hello sir can you hear me I I can
hear you sir I can hear you sir fantastic all right all right so guys
give JJ a warm welcome and uh all that
good stuff in the twitch chat for those of you who don't know who this gentleman
is he is the tech Guru of ASUS who knows
all the things about all the ASUS you I swear I swear you could ask him any
question about an ASUS product past present and probably even future and he
would know the answer but that third category he probably couldn't tell you
about it so you are extremely nice I thank you I thank you I I try my best I
try my best man but yeah that is very that is a very humbling introduction so
thank you all right so I think the uh
the thing to do here is to invite people
on the Twitter boards to go ahead and we're going to do things a little bit
differently this week rather than just tweeting at liniste any questions you
have about ASUS products particularly
z97 and h97 motherboards we want you to
use #and I don't remember what it is anymore
and I can uh I can I can see that that's going to be a problem for me okay so I'm
going to invent one right off the bat so it's going to be hashtag W live W live I
thought it was wow live sure hash wow live go ahead and include that hashtag
with your Tweet and we're going to be going through them and finding some good
questions for JJ but in the meantime I'm going to kick things off I'm going to go
okay look z97 um it's no gigantic secret that not
a whole lot changed on the Intel side of things so why don't you give us like a
top three reasons why maybe users shouldn't necessarily upgrade from Z87
outright but for people upgrading to LGA
1150 why would they spend an extra couple bucks for z97 versus
Z87 yeah that's you know that's a really good that's a really good question um
and I think it's kind of a tricky uh question to answer because I think both
me and you have um I'd say like a
different I guess approach than most people because since we see Hardware
every single generation right we kind of might think of it from the bleeding edge
where we're going to upgrade from one platform to the next but a lot of users
like you said are necessarily sometimes coming over from a platform from two
three four five years ago I mean we got people that are still coming over from
p45 or x58 or different chipsets but um right um I think for this generation you
know our goal we always try to look at kind of two different perspectives of
development know chipset develop and then board level development so every
generation I think we try to put in the effort to put in new functions and
features that are going to make things interesting uh and improve for the users's experience so I think three
things um I'm a big fan once again of everything that we did on the autotuning
side for the motherboards I think that the new customization uh abilities that
we have for this generation are pretty nuts as far as the granularity and
control that you have for dynamic Real Time auto overclocking um I'm really I'm
really digging a lot of the new stuff that we did on the audio implementation
to extend you know the previous designs that we had and then I think kind of
just total experience you know I think most of us when we go about building a
system um we kind of think of building
the system in a lot of different ways sometimes it's the Simplicity of just
how smoothly something might work or how kind of something you didn't realize in
terms of just enabling like this generation you know for us it's easy to
enable XMP but you know we still see based off of Market survey data that you
know 50% of users never enable XMP on a motherboard um right so just having a
physical switch on the motherboard that now a user can just you know flip into
the on position you know while to me it's something that I would never use in
terms of having value for we definitely know that there's users out there that
would go wow that just makes sense and I can just do that and that gives me um
you know exactly what I'm using for because that's what I paid for in terms
of the memory that I bought so I have a question for you about the physical XMP
switch is that something that the system integrators were asking for as well no
um actually no we didn't get any of that feedback from the system great that was
really based purely on the perspective of trying to find a more simplified
solution if you remember last generation you know we put in that easy OneTouch
ufi option for the XMP function right and so this was just kind of the
evolution of that of trying to give you um you know a very easy way to do it not
only within the ufi but a really easy way of doing it on the physical Hardware
level so the next implementation will be like um a a giant red button this big
with like a flashing LED behind it push this yeah do this push this if you have
memory I think the next option is you know we're working on like on a micro
automaton a little you know guy that will come inside the box and he'll ask
you questions do you need help and he'll just do it for you exactly he'll just
kind of you know come on like your own personal Golem and then he'll go into
your system and he'll just enable everything for you you won't do anything he'll just you just tell him I want to
do this and this and this and he'll automatically do it for you can you create different skins for it so there
can be like there can be like the like the Cortana like you know digital girl
and then there can be like the uh like you remember uh mad mod Mike that NVIDIA
um brand asset that was like the guy with like a huge backpack and like
screwdrivers and stuff and then I think like a bonus one for someone who buys
all the ASUS components possible so only
people who have an ASUS like motherboard graphics card you like a keyboard mouse
sound card and then it unlocks like a JJ
Avatar yeah that would be pretty awesome you
know actually it's funny you talk about that we're um we're going to be
hopefully doing in a little bit sometime this quarter we're going to be releasing these like really cool limited edition
um really highly articulated small Rog robots um so for like our Die Hard
enthusiasts that really love you know R Hardware and ASUS Hardware they're going
to have the opportunity to be able to pick up these really limited edition
High detail based figures so um you know I think that's all just part of the
experience right you know all of us as Builders we love dealing with hardware and anything that just makes things
interesting and more engaging and adds experience is always
cool all right so why don't I start with
uh a first question from someone on The Forum that actually um reached out to me
very politely and said look I'm sorry I can't tune into the show live but I
really want to know the answer to this why did you guys go for an expansion
card versus building Thunderbolt into
the motherboards that you thought it made sense for I mean one of the things
that you and I have talked about extensively is the way that ASUS tries
to build a motherboard according to how they think that user is
going to use it down to everything from whether to use just you know um
integrated Intel uh SATA connectors to
implementing a particular brand even of
extra SATA connectors so why didn't you guys go for something like the Ws it was
the one real criticism I had of that board why didn't you go okay look this
is a workstation board it should have Thunderbolt on it right off the bat yeah
yeah no you make a really good point and that was a really hard decision to make
you know for us um Thunderbolt is still continuing to be kind of an emerging
technology that we're seeing get utilized and we're heavily involved you
know I myself I actually went to two Thunderbolt plugfest this generation and
we worked with I think over 160 vendors that are making all kinds of Thunderbolt
accessories so we definitely still still value in it I mean uh compared to any
other vendor no other vendor has more Thunderbolt Solutions than us and I
think it just came down to a question of resource uh layout consideration and
cost um you know while there's definitely going to be a segmentation
even within that content creation Community like you talk about for a WS model that would see value on
Thunderbolt the majority of those users as a whole are not going to be utilizing
Thunderbolt they will be utilizing your classic interconnects whether they're
going to be USB um or whether it's going to be actually even gigabit based
connectivity on a local based Network um so in that situation I think we saw the
value of let's still give them that ability to be able to have Thunderbolt
right um on the boards but not necessarily have to have them to pay the
premium because when you do look at the cost the bomb cost so the bill and
material cost on Thunderbolt it is probably with in uh the top three most
expensive hardware specs to put on a motherboard so it's not like a small
add-on cost sometimes there are some stuff that it's a really marginal cost to implement on the board um so it's a
pry pretty big increase in terms of impacting the MSRP so the the final
retail price of the motherboard plus there is physical spa space layout
considerations so um this generation WS
actually we did incorporate the same type of isolated audio design that we
had started to implement on the Rog Series so that kind of implementation
balancing all that thing in terms of space and real estate and everything
else out it was just kind of a managed kind of uh implementation where we said
okay um you know probably makes sense but we still have to balance everything
out and even little things like you wouldn't keep in mind like the U the
Thunderbolt board still has 1394 so it's our only active z97 skew that actually
has 1394 I did notice that because we still actually have users in that
content creation Community they've made really big investment for firewire and
actually the usage model is still actually a little bit higher than Thunderbolt we probably see that by the
end of this year finally eclipsing the Thunderbolt will even be higher than the
existing base of for 1394 but that 1394
chip takes up space right so if we probably maybe would have taken that out
could have probably maybe offset it so it just literally comes down to a
balance Factor you know we'd love to put everything that we could on there um but
that's kind of the best compromise but the cool thing about it is you know Thunderbolt across what like 16 SKS and
all you got to do is just drop in the card right all right I can see why you made
the compromise now here's something that I wish everyone would quit compromising
on and and you can go you could like let's call this like off the Record your
opinion um I will do my best looking
into the crystal ball when are we going to finally see 10 gab Ethernet I've seen
some of the guys in twitch chat talking about 10 gig because I right now no one
seems to be willing to just do this and make it a consumer technology I think
Netgear has like one eight Port switch
on New Egg that's still hundreds of dollars and you can buy Nick cards for
in the $200 to $300 range um the cabling
itself has caught up at this point so you can get cat 6A cable for a
reasonable price how much legitimately
like if you had to just guess and you can tell me the number is probably wrong
you can disclaim it this number is wrong but if I um how much would a 10 gigabit
implementation on a motherboard cost and and what's the problem right now why
can't we do it um it really comes down to just it really it's a cost factor
it's totally possible we could entirely Do It um and you know while there are
stuff that I can't talk about as far as on the current chipset portfolio you can
imagine that there's things coming down the pipeline later on where that could be a possibility of something that you
would want be incorporated so we are evaluating looking at 10 gig uh e
Solutions on based platforms but more probably in the server and workstation
demographic than we would see in the traditional kind of like z97 so the
performance kind of Market space um but from a cost standpoint you're talking
that you could easily take a motherboard that might let's say tradition be let's
say like a $250 motherboard $300 motherboard so that's a a relatively
high-end Enthusiast c97 based board and you could add an MSRP of Beyond $200 to
be able to add 10 gig e so that's that's a huge cost increase to the consumer you
know I'm sure like foreign people would go this is crazy $200 more right um of
course for the users that know the benefit of what they would be able to do
in leveraging a 10 gig e solution they would they would appreciate that and
they would also look at the cost of going hey maybe an add-in card is at
least maybe 350 bucks so having to pay $200 and having it integrated I'm ready
to do that um but we we're looking at it actually I think in a more complete
rollout strategy you know we're evaluating actually 10 gig not just for
our motherboards but also for our entire networking division um so definitely
stay tuned you know you're going to see more of that coming down the pipeline from us um but you know it it really
just comes down to cost if users say hey we're willing to take on the cost then
we can do it this same stuff even rolls into like a mini ITX for like really
highend we've done some really crazy interesting designs for x79 and trying
to do a Ultra small form factor x79 miniitx and I'm not going to say it's
impossible because we've made some really interesting design choices to be
able to do something like that and then I have people tell me oh we'll do it but
then there's always that difference between what's the real Market reality
and what's the niche reality of people saying oh we'll buy this right um yeah
because you know for us to kick off a board you know you're at least talking
six to eight months development time a high amount of R&D cost bandwidth and
resource and stuff like that and so I could probably make it I could make an
x79 miniitx it could be really interesting as far as the way it' work
but would you really be willing to pay you know $450 $500 for that
Port ah and that that would be a tough
pill to swallow I mean I could see an x79 ITX board being worth a small
premium you know maybe 250 bucks 275
bucks for you know like let's let's call
it like a deluxe class board you know something pretty equivalent to you know
a z97 or Z87 ITX board but if you
started to tell me it's $400 $500 that's a really tough pill to swallow
especially when you factor in that you're going to need some other pretty specialized Hardware to even build that
rig um you know you're going to want Silverstone is I think the only one that
I'm aware of with an 80 plus gold power supply that's a 450 watt unit that's a
an sfx power supply so this is this is a
very special machine at this point and you think about like how many times guys
viewers think about how many times on a forum you've seen a machine that special
how many times you seen that power supply yeah and I I think the other
thing too is you know I mean we're okay making those type of advancements I mean
if you look at our history we're not necessarily afraid to Buck the trend and
sometimes put on these really specialized technologies that roll out
over time to other products over time um you know because we have users that
realize that and that's part of the community one of the really cool things about the pcdiy community is in itself
that people will embrace the technology they'll pay a premium and while not
everybody benefits from it right away actually that's the really cool thing is
that as products scale over time you know those that initial investment
actually does scale out to more products over time um you know so as long as you
can get enough of those people to be supportive of that then you can see
really cool and Innovative product like that it just depends D we really have enough people for these type of
Solutions in the same way I get every day I get people asking me I want high
performance am3 Mini ITX right yeah so
stuff like that yeah okay now leading into investing in the future and it
paying off for everyone I think this is a great discussion topic and I don't
worry JJ I'll let you talk about z97 at some point oh no worries man let's talk
pg278q Rog Swift you had to do it right
you had you just had to ask about it right yeah but but I got more oh it gets
more complicated than that because I'm G to also throw at you the Acer
announcement today of their 4k g-sync
monitor and then I'm going to throw throw this at you again and I'm going to
go is this is this all just irrelevant
with the vesa 1.2a standard coming out
supporting AMD's free sync or active sync like is gsync even relevant anymore
what do you again real thoughts what like what do you think don't you don't
even have to give a concrete answer here yeah so you make a lot of really good
points so I think first of off if we just tackle um the first point in terms
of gyn's relevancy it's entirely relevant the first and foremost reason
is because um while you haven't seen physical MP product it's already a
technology that's proven it's in integrator Solutions right now they're
working on it and they're finalizing the products to come to the market um so
this is a big difference than let's just say something a ratified specification
or ratified standard um that's coming into its play and then still has to be
actually proven in real design and implementation um so I see regardless of
whether something is a physical implementation um or a firmware layer
specification um or something that occures on a much minor level that's
purely on a software basis these all those things have to be proven in the
real world and I can tell you the the the learning curve just alone for our
mod development team along with NVIDIA at actually taking what they thought was
a monitor kind of driving uh circuit board um you know and then having to
approach that in the real world were two entirely different things you know we had to consider things that NVIDIA
hadn't factored in like color calibration profile support which is
normally part of let's say the the the electronics package in a monitor but we
had to work with their team to be a bble to actually integrate the ability to have color controls because that wasn't
something that was inherently part of the fpga package because nid was
thinking from a different perspective so so they went gaming they went it's funny
because NVIDIA sometimes gets criticized
for being you know oh you guys are completely focused on grid or you're
completely focused on mobile but then they go and they bring something like
g-sync to Market and they literally haven't even thought about it Beyond
yeah gaming yeah and I mean that's that's you know the reality of every
company I mean sometimes you run up against um you know experience and you
know just your internal kind of perspective right and that's where it's a balance that they've worked with us to
leverage our experience and monitor design and we're leveraging their
experience at that IC based design in that package right uh for what they're
doing there so I think that still in that um aspect there's still a lot of
logic and there's a lot of other things that NVIDIA is doing within the um fpga
and the overall IP that developing behind gsync that in the long term not
just right now but what you're going to be able to do over time with it um
actually continues to paint the purpose of having a specialized IC now I love
the aspect and ASUS says you know we're not um we're not biased to any vendor
right we produce AMD Solutions we produce NVIDIA we produce Intel chipsets
and we produce AMD chipsets um so from our perspective we want to be able to
give the consumers the most Choice possible right um right so I you know I
I in that perspective right you know what you're seeing with the new uh Visa
update um you're going to have more flexibility to have a more open
ecosystem so that's great as well but I think all of us at the end the end of
the day what we care first and foremost about is how something works even if
it's a proprietary solution if it works really really really really well and
there's no issues with it I'm okay with it being proprietary if it works
outstanding and it doesn't have any bugs and it doesn't have issues and it just
works right I mean that's um that's a proven example of you know you're going
to get a lot of people that um they say hey we wish you gave more Linux support
well it's really hard to have Linux support from a chipset development when you have 20 different dros that all have
their different kernels and uh they all have to be compiled different right when
you then tell the chipset company hey you can design a driver for Windows and
it's just one platform right so it's very much kind of that same thing
there's a lot of things to consider in that so I think g-sync is still relevant
I still think we're going to totally Embrace and look at how we can
incorporate the updated V supc in monitors over time um and then from
there you know the 4K proposition as far as that goes into it I think everybody's
interested to continue to see U just improved gaming U performance on all
types of monitors regardless whether it's 4K whether it's going to be new TNN
whether it's going to be IPS I don't think it matters I think everybody just wants to continue to see um improved and
evolved monitor type designs so I give kudos hey uh you know Acer's done an
interesting design there with the 4K uh I think for us still as you guys know uh
4K is a really interesting technology I mean we're launching our right now our
our brand new PB monitor that's going to be really price impressive I know I have
one um there you go right so you know we're all behind that um but you know to
every single one of these right when you factor in a monitor there's so much more
to consider than just a monitor right it's you know the games that you're
playing it's the gpus that you're going to be running in the system um so
there's a lot of different perspectives so for there's not going to be ever one monitor that rules them all I think in
that perspective right you can maybe get close maybe we could get pretty close to
having some right specs to stuff but a lot of this is driven by so many
different things so for us we're going to continue to embrace I think all the Technologies on the market and uh listen
to you guys at what you guys want all right now I have another question from
Omid now given that Intel didn't change
much going from Z87 to z97 and I I think
we you'd be hard pressed to to find like you know a massive change log from the
ASUS side um given that it wasn't really necessary why are some reviewers finding
they're getting better overclocking results and better temps on z97 on the
same Haswell chips um you know part of
this is sometimes actually time differential uh there's changes in the
overall what's called Mei um it's really interesting we're seeing some of this
some of this stuff we're asking reviewers to go back and evaluate because in our internal analysis it's
pretty much actually par um par for par but there are some technical
implementations that sometimes actually reviewers don't fully evaluate uh one of
the really things that's interesting with the the fivr so that integrated voltage regulator and then what's called
your VCC uh in as far as voltage is is
that the voltage that you see defined within something like CPU uh CPU Z is
not actually your real necessarily voltage that's the voltage that's
actually being communicated by the Fiverr but the voltage or the VCC input
can actually be lower than that voltage and then based on efficiency you can
have a different measurement so two boards could actually be effectively
giving you the same voltage but can achieve it in different ways if let's
say one has a lower VCC in and one has a higher VCC in um so that can account
actually for temperature differential um the other thing is that over time if
let's say they first tested some boards like six months ago and then new tuning
has come out where they make optimizations to actually load policies
and they make changes to actually different parts of the UEFI that change
different actually conditioning parameters whether it's the vrm efficiency or different primary paramet
all those things can sometimes offset a little bit of numbers um but I can tell
you from our internal analysis overall users should generally if you take a
4770k 4670k um between a Z87 platform and then
a z97 platform the actual OC experience is pretty much linear it's it's it's the
same you're not getting a diminished experience and you're not getting
actually a better experience it's the same clocking experience for our boards
we do have a revised dram topology so Dam topology scaling is even a little
bit better so you can even get higher but to real world users it's not really
relevant because most users you know are maybe going up to 2132 2400 so
regardless that we can do higher memory dividers um it doesn't really impact the
real user um so most of this really just comes down to difference in sometimes
the underlying code base changes in let's say uh vol rules and policies that
sometimes the viewers aren't always as let's say always understanding of or not
maybe fully accounting for because they might be looking for just one numerical
value versus another numerical value yeah all right so I've got another one
for you I guess along the lines of of Z87 to z97 changes again because I did
promise I'd give you an opportunity to uh to cover that with us here is what
are the biggest changes between or the
biggest differences that you guys have have aimed to deliver here with the z97
boards whether it's compared to what the competition's doing and you don't have to name any names or whether it's
compared to the last generation Z87 implementations um well you know for us
I mean you know we try to we're always in the game of pushing the envelope
right we're always going to try to look at what the experience is and can we
make those experiences better regardless of what it is um you know I think
probably the biggest ones that we did that they they might seem small but when
you really kind of look at them in the bigger picture they were really hard to
implement but they really give a whole another level of experience um are going
to be really in the autotuning Technologies in the sound and with the
fan controls but I mean there's been improvements to every single aspect but
you know the fan control stuff is pretty awesome right the last previous generations we'd always talked about
having that full fan header control for every single header you know three pin
and four pin support but this year having the ability to go to every single
header and manually define whether it's a PC uh pwm or DC based control is
awesome because now that gives you the ability that if you want to put twwm Splitters on there you want to get like
a source 530 and have those three front intake fans all be regulated by one
chassis fan header all in the same signal bam power those fans from the PSU
get them all tuned with the same actual fan curve and you're rocking and rolling right that's sweet because it just adds
a whole another layer of granularity control how you set up your airf flow
and you set up your experience and you know what's funny is the thing that uh
the thing that really blew me away is about the new fan control is one that
you didn't even mention and that's the fact that it's within the UEFI now and I
canine all those curves in basic I click
one thing and I go y Header by header
here's the curve I want I want it on a predefined curve I want to do my own
manual curve because you again real talk
time this is a w show we're casual I don't really like AI Suite very much it
it is it is a has been a big problem for me at various times throughout its
history and while I haven't tried it in the last probably 3 to six
months I I've tried it fairly recently enough that I just am not a huge fan
whereas ufi implementation of something like that wow what a godsend because now
I can really take advantage of that feature in a way that is bulletproof and
this one thing to not shoot at AI Suite despite I don't use it either um is that
getting away from the software implementation is just nice anyways because if you reformat your computer
change AO drive or do whatever that's less that you have to think about when
you're setting everything back up again yeah yeah I think that that applies more
to you guys as reviewers right most users you know you they talk about
actually how long they can try to keep rolling over their OS you see so many
people take osses from one chipset to another chipset and they don't ever even
reinstall um you know but I guess that'll be my challenge just to win you
over because you know that's one thing that we work really hard on is the software suite but you know that's that
is a good example um you know we had to work really hard on actually putting in
that full graphical fan turve the calibration and all that stuff and
literally it's redundant we we spent time and effort to do something that we
had already done two years before but we did it just to be able to give more of
our base of users more accessibility so whether it's guys that for whatever
reason don't want to embrace the software well then we can give it to you
in another direction and you can still get that same experience um and then you
added on you know rounding that all out giving you the temperature input control
per header I mean that's awesome right that you can go in and say hey my front
intake fan should not have to respond to my CPU right why can't that respond to
my motherboard why can't that respond to my PCH why can't that respond to another
temperature input um so you know and and
I think the biggest part you know is a lot of time we get pigeon held as being the premium vendor the more expensive
vendor look at the z97a again there is not a better value
proposition board in my opinion $140 motherboard that has that class of fan
controls you know I don't want to you know bring competitors into it you know
guys you go you know me long enough I'm not that kind of guy that I bash on you
know the other guys but Gigabyte ASRock
MSI none of them but everyone everyone
else none of them I'm just combo punch the entire team right now their highest
and motherboard doesn't have that fan control that I have on $140 motherboard
when you talk about value I don't know how much it gets better than that from a
value proposition you know what the funny thing about you saying that is I I
can imagine already I mean there's a delay on the twitch stream but I can
already imagine what's going to happen in about 20 seconds uh where people are
going to say oh I don't care about that fan control that doesn't have a value
for me I don't really care I like all my fans running at 100% or whatever else
but my response to that is you know what there are some people who care a whole
lot about that and two of them sitting in this room have spent over
$150 on a software fan controller that
basically Hardware fan controller sorry Hardware fan controller that we have to
configure through software that's much flakier than AI Suite has ever
been just to get that functionality that you guys are now including on a board
that costs less than what we paid for an mq te balancer so someone out there
appreciates it even if not everybody does and it is a definite value ad even
if it's like possibly the only two people in Canada well no I I mean
there's definitely I mean we know for sure that it's a lot more people than just you guys um you know it's just the
bigger thing is sometimes just edifying people and helping them understand this
and it's hard you know we talked about this last time this is not an easy game
to be in when there's so many features and there's so many functions to be
cognizant and to be aware of but you know we work on it but um you know I
think like I said the fan controls I think the auto tuning stuff is awesome I mean this generation you have the
ability to do Target temperature based overclocking so that if you want to have
the overclock be limited to 70c or 80c
and it it's only going to do it to that you know having it be frequency based
having the app tuning stuff right where you can conditionally profile your
application to a specific overclock and have that dynamically adjust things like
Network prioritization or audio stuff I mean I think crazy stuff if you start to
really evaluate some of these fun functions and features it's kind of crazy that you're getting this level of
control and and while you guys might not be using the software to make this end
user available the power and class of this functionality I don't think people
thought you know especially three years ago four years ago every year people say
yeah there's not more that you can do it's it's it's all over there's no more
there's no more Innovation that can be done and then you do stuff like this and people go how come this hasn't been on a
motherboard for the last five years right um so and the funny thing is even
I find myself doing it sometimes where I'll be I'll be using all the latest
stuff because that's what I generally use um and then well no really though
because I because when we're whenever we're evaluating something we don't
Benchmark whatever is 5 years old before
yeah but it doesn't happen very often but that's exactly it is I'll be I'll be
using all this latest stuff and then the other day I was putting together a
pfSense box and I I dug I dug an h55
board out of a box somewhere and I was like oh yeah it's got like a dual core
so it's relatively low you know power consumption or whatever also relatively
low performance so I don't mind tying it up in that box just to try it out and I
was blown away by just all the crap it didn't have even though I didn't feel
like between between age 55 and now I
didn't really feel like there was any kind of huge generational Improvement in
features I was just like oh this thing like doesn't have anything it doesn't
have like onboard buttons it doesn't have like going back to those like
classic old school blue screen Phoenix BIOS setups I know it's like oh wow yeah
this is been a while actually and that's actually it's perfect that you bring
that up because that's you know highlighting back to your I think your very first question right or maybe like
your second one about people upgrading this is where I think it's sometimes
hard as you guys reviewers is that the value proposition sometimes you kind of
go this meh mentality right when a new chipset comes out because you guys are
maybe looking at it right from the previous one but I think that we've done
a whole lot to improve from Z87 to z97 but it is also really important to
remember I mean you guys have a really really great community and so you guys
know about the the systems that these users have but you know imagine somebody
right now coming over from an x58 platform to just like our our Dash a or
our Pro motherboard and everything that they're getting just on the board level
right let's not forget the things that our chipset derive but just on the board
functionality level there's an insane amount of stuff that they totally just
are not even remotely near um coming over from that chipset to this chipset
all right so JJ this is uh this is a question from Lis a moon and I tend to I
tend to agree with him why don't you use
right angle usb3 connectors so if you actually notice we
do use it on the saber toot series and we've actually done it now for I think
three generations um but we don't do it
as a whole because we still see actually chassis compatibility issues um so I
think really the only company that's really kind of gun ho about it is EVGA
um and we've we've like I said we just don't do it because we still see enough
issues with that there are some chassis where the actual space if you were to
right angle that cable it actually will obstruct into the hard drive cage so
it's a bit tight in that spacing and as you know that usb3 header it's a fat
blocky header and it's really hard to deal with um in terms of that what we're
actually I think playing around with more is that we're coming we're trying to develop kind of like a usb3 q
connector um so that you could actually put that in and it'll have actually a
flexible cable that you could then run through like your your uh your your
routing holes in your chassis the kind of the tricky thing about that is that
there's a actual there's a cost so you actually have to pay a royalty cost
every time you do like a usb3 spec this is why oh jeez this is why a lot of the
chassis if you notice there's like a really big drop off between entrylevel
chassis having front USB 3 and then all of them having USB 2 right and you saw
like this weird area where there was like stuff from NZXT or Cooler Master
these other ones where they only have like one us one one front USB 3 yeah
that's because because the cost so it Char they charge you for this usb3
header so um you know we're we're looking at trying to do that but then we
would have to pay the cost for putting the adapter and and do all that stuff
but um that's really what it comes down to is it's literally right now that if
we saw more chassis now the argument
could be said well you know if if we do it maybe on higher ards maybe like Pro
and above it's probably going to go into a chassis where there's more than enough
space between where the board sits and where the hard drive Cas are the hard
drive count on that right yeah but that's the hard part right is that we
kind of have to balance that out um so I think for me I'd rather do kind of the Q
connector kind of thing I think people would be okay with that um so I think
that's probably the direction we're moving closer towards than seeing the
the usb3 header actually go right angle and there is also a little bit there is
a little bit of actually signal Integrity issues that when you turn it
actually to the right angle um that you can actually change a little bit of some
of the layout topology and stuff like that and since we don't want to have to go rework the entire board from that
perspective um right you know it makes a little bit more sense to save the work
that we've already done okay so let's talk Devil's Canyon um are we going to
see I mean I already know the answer to this but this is a question from um
Fabian are we going to see Devil's Canyon CPUs work on your z97 boards are
we going to see them work on your Z87 boards so this is a tricky topic um so
I'll I'll give you guys as much information as I can on this point sure
um Intel requires what's called Mei
compliance for certain CPUs so there is
um you guys kind of know the option ROM right the option ROM on a Serial at
controller like on the Intel motherboards right so that's like the
firmware for the SATA controller and sometimes when new chipsets come out
there's actually new Option R right well the same thing when a new chipset comes
out there's new MEI firmware generally corresponding to that CPU so technically
to support the new doubles Canyon CPUs you have to excuse me you have to
running the new MEI firmware so believe it's 9.1 Mei firmware so all z97
motherboards have that but for Z87
they're running on an older Mei firmware so you will actually have to backport
that Mei firmware block to those boards now we've done some internal testing
already um and we have been able to
actually backport this um but as to you know what the time frame may be for us
to formally roll this out or whether we will formally roll that out I can't
state that at this time we're still evaluating because there's also a
concern that um we've talked about this I think last time with AMD where there's
always a little bit of trickiness when you backport new CPUs to an older
chipset and you make the ufi or the BIOS
uh compatible for that you don't want it to break the overall performance or the
interoperability compatibility for the old CPU platform right because we have
to overall favor the majority of people that have the old CPU versus the new CPU
because most users I mean statistically on that old chipset aren't going to
upgrade to a new CPU but they may go out there and they may download that new
UB 4.6 or 4.7 and it maybe brings down
their overhead a little bit because you know there's different codebase and
different that running around in there um we try not to do that so our rule of thumb is we try to keep the performance
for the previous CPU the same or within a 5% margin if it doesn't adhere to that
then it's something that we might not do and then there's also still uh there is
also resource limitations and things like that as you guys know there's another chipset that I can't talk about
but it's coming down later down the pipe so this is all just about a managed
resource but I think our track record has been pretty good in this regard so
um as soon as I have more information on what'll happen specifically for Z87 you
guys will definitely know I will make sure to let you guys know as far as how
that works out um but right now guaranteed 100% support is exclusive to
z97 all right so what I'd like to do is guys we're going to thank everyone for
sending in their Q&A questions for JJ thanks J for answering them but hold on
I'm not quite done with you yet JJ cuz I'd love for you to hang around with us
for one more topic that isn't a Q&A but
this is something that I have personally bitched to you about and uh now I may be
getting my way I'm extremely excited and I would love to hear your thoughts on
the rumor that Intel's upcoming zons
including some pretty crazy like 18 core
skes made be unlocked or even water
cooling optimized which has implications that I'm sure are fairly obvious to you
for enthusiasts and this was posted originally on the Forum by Luca doesn't
look like he wants to answer Luca P so
um let's uh let's oh yeah and the original article was from Hardware
bot.org sounds interesting to me that's about
all I can say oh come on
I wasn't expecting more than that to be honest sounds interesting to me you know
uh um you know but I I will preface this
I will preface this the uh there's always a lot of interesting things that
comes about on the interwebs as you guys know and your guys's forums is a hot bed
for a lot of this stuff circulating around and people discussing it no at
all and um you know some of it is sometimes true and some of it's not true
you know but even around like the upcoming Devil's Canyon there's been a
lot of supposed communication and validation at what people perceived to
be truths that were existing before in the community and they think that all of
a sudden um there's been changes that all of a sudden has somehow aligned with
these truths that they think existed about older CPUs and uh are going to be
um all of a sudden I guess proven true uh for uh the refresh Bas CPUs and you
know all things will come in time as far as you'll see the way things work out um
but you know like like it is all things will come in time right so that didn't
sound like a denial you know I I can't like I said I wish I could say more but
just have to keep have to keep it tuned right you know and I'm sure the moment
that something is confirmed and validated they're gonna find out from
you guys because you guys are great about giving everybody that information all right well I'll tell you
what JJ without you having to confirm or deny anything first of all thank you
very much for coming on the show it was an absolute pleasure to have you on
again and second of all just like okay
just just like the conversation I had with NVIDIA where I was was swapping
emails with my PR contact at like 3 in the morning um where I I sent out of the
blue I'm just like you know Shield two rumors are starting to float around and
you know we're hearing screen resolution this we're hearing that obviously the
CPUs or the GPU whatever you want to call it I could really piss Invidia off
and call it an APU um obviously that's been pretty much
ready for a while so um I sent this email I'm like hey make sure I'm on the
top of the list for a shield to and he's just sent back LOL but that was all the
response I needed I just made it sure he heard me JJ man make sure that if any of
this if any of this Enthusiast grade multicore overclocking unlock stuff
happens whatever board you guys have that is the very best one whether that's
a WS or whatever else please make sure that I'm on the top of the list top of
the list man you guys you guys are always on the top of my list you guys are
great should we all should we all like kind of hug and kiss before we say bye
well we need two I'm not even trying to get one we need two it's all good you
know we we got a healthy Bromance going on it's all right you know I think we're
all comfortable here you got to get us two of those boards if they exist
because he's going to steal one and I need to Benchmark it I don't even care
personally I can I cannot take it home that's fine he's going to take it home
so I need another one for testing you know I will give you one thing uh it's
something I actually I wrote about it on the pcdiy site that uh that I handled
the confit for and but I think it's like a little bit lone fact I don't know if
you guys already kind of found out about it um but since I couldn't give you a
confirm or deny about what you guys asked about um a lot of people have been
asking about the Swift um one of the really cool things I can tell you for
the Swift is you know the Swift you guys know all the new specs it'll have but
one of the new functions it also be it will be the first 3D Vision 2560 enabled
panel so you'll be able to uh game an actually at 3D resolutions Beyond 1080
so that's at least something maybe you guys didn't know about kind of cool I
did not I don't like 3D I know you don't
like 3D but some people do and you haven't tried it with a low persistence
backlight monitor have you that's true no I haven't so this should this could
be very interesting I've tried the light boost hack though all right so thank you
very much JJ and uh we will hopefully
have you on again I guess in another year when another oh no because we're
going to you can neither confirm nor deny that we're going to have another
chipset sooner than that but uh why don't we all agree that we're g to we're
going to reconvene sooner than a year from now yeah I definitely will say
sooner than a year from now we can reconvene and uh if any of your guys
have um any any questions that they want
answered that I didn't answer um you can tell them they can post in the Forum
I'll I'll jump back in there a little bit later tonight and I I'll more than
happy to answer anybody's questions that's fantastic all right thanks JJ and
uh thanks to uh thanks to all of our viewers if you guys want to just let JJ
know give him a big old uh you know thanks JJ in the twitch chat or on
Twitter or whatever else I'm sure he'll want to check that out but now it is
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head over to Facebook and head over to
the modus page so that's m o d i s
because geek Stakes is going on right
now you guys and geek Stakes is uh was
actually a collaborative thing that we worked on uh Austin Evans has been
involved and it is basically a bunch of crazy awesome prizes what hey guys it's
geek Stakes 2014 no but seriously uh we
helped pick all the prizes because they asked us for some insight into what our
audience would want them to give away so here I'm just going to screen share
really quick here so there you go it's facebook.com/ modus so notice is an IT
recruiter so not only do they give away a bunch of cool stuff but you can submit
your resume to them for free and they handle placements to uh Fortune 500
companies little tiny startups and all throughout the IT industry it's a way of
getting a job in the IT industry that quite frankly I had never actually
considered I'd heard of it so it costs nothing for the actual user and major
like big companies they asked me not to name any names but big companies use the
these guys to fill some seriously cool positions I'm sure if you're one of the
people that want to sign up for this your Google fu is probably good enough to kind of figure that out yeah so
anyway guys the geek Stakes runs from May 23rd to June 6th and if you go back
every day you can get additional entries I do want to talk a little bit about
what they are giving away so there's an MSI
gs60 that was uh that was my personal contribution I was like okay look you
guys whatever other prizes you got like that's cool that's cool but you want to
make sure you've got like a sweet gaming notebook and that was one that was able
to fit into the price that uh we were able to kind of take away from
everything else and and be able to hit they are giving away an Oculus Rift they
are giving away a parrot AR drone a lro
camera that camera that you can focus after you take the picture they're
giving away a Fire TV a Sphero that bloth control ball Pebble Smartwatch
that was my personal contribution as well uh jbird BlueBuds X Bluetooth
earbud set almost everything on this list is
stuff we've reviewed in the past they're giving away an M45 gaming mouse my
personal favorite gaming mouse right now so guys definitely go and check that out
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the show I'm going to drink some ASUS Kool-Aid here some more and talk to you
guys about the g750 JZ I don't think we have any other ASUS
things okay it's so I was doing the W
show and I brought a laptop I thought that I would rap but you didn't give a
crap top about my runs that just ain't
that great but on the show it's my show
so don't hate oh my God you prepped that didn't you no I actually didn't sorry
that was 100% freestyle that was pretty good i' I've freestyled better on the
show before but anyway the point guys this is the g750 JZ is a legit power
gaming note legit power legit powerful gaming notebook I'm never going to make
it through you know it's legit power that should be their new tagline Rock
Solid legit power the the saddest part is I don't
even think it's impossible no can't even
power legit L literally can't even
power okay so anyway the point is um
it's funny cuz with these with the way we talk about the g750 j-z like we we
eventually laboriously get the point across but uh if you know if I was ASUS
I'd be like what what are these guys doing over there but truthfully and this
is just this is like the biggest tease ever because I'm not going to tell you
guys anything about it ASUS just signed on with us for something really exciting
it's a collaborative effort between me and Logan and some other guys
potentially and they are going to be our presenting sponsor for it we're going to
be talking about potentially another cool ASUS gaming laptop and it is going
to be absolutely like bat crap crazy
expect that to happen around the end of June but in the meantime g750 JZ is what
I would consider to be about as good as it gets for a desktop replacement
without getting into that unreasonable size where it just doesn't really make
any sense anymore and the battery life isn't that good like with this with the
750 JZ I can get through almost two full W shows on one charge in spite of the
fact that it is a gaming notebook and if I am gaming obviously battery light's
not as good but I can get performance that is pretty close to what you could
do on a modern generation desktop and actually probably about the same as what
you could do on a last gen high performance gaming desktop with a single
GPU Enthusiast grade GPU you know what we should do you know how we make like
Techquickie commercials for different companies every once a while hold on so thanks ASUS for sponsoring the W show
and providing us with these awesome laptops to use while we broadcast to you
guys it's like pretty cool of them it's nice cu my last one barely works anymore
um we should make a like Tech cookie style commercial thing for Jay-Z laptops
but we should make it where it's a rap battle featuring lonus and lonus has to
like go through these it's it's kind of like the Pokemon League but in rap
battle form so you have to like beat all these different rap battle trainer
people and they all have like different styles and you have to make your way
through it and then when you win you get a Jay-Z laptop okay oh hey guys oh sorry
sorry sorry totally totally off topic I've got um I've got our what on Earth
where is it okay well okay anyway um back to the back to the modus giveaway
really quickly here just screen share me um the first draw is in half an hour so
guys seriously legitimately go check it out go like the page right now and
you'll be entered to win a stick and find so that's that little Bluetooth sticker that Luke and I used for that
fun little video we did where we played hide the sausage so guys seriously like
just go there now and go click it because otherwise um I will have to eat
grul for several weeks and I don't think
you would want that twitch chat liked my idea they what was your idea oh I hate
your idea your idea is stupid why you
your your idea is bad and you should feel bad I want to see you rap battle
you want to see me rap battle Yeah do you yeah I do actually oh
boy and yet you don't want to make a foot flick music video okay okay so last
show you guys I brought up the foot flick thing about how every nerd knows
how to do the foot flick so they don't yank Ethernet cables and Destroy devices
so I was saying we should do like a really quick kind of tech tips video on
like everyone should know how to do the foot flick this is how you do the foot
flick and his reaction was awesome but
let's make it a music video do the foot
flick oh do the foot flick so making like new dance moves but
part of the foot flick is you got to flick your foot back so hard that you
fall forward yeah so the whole thing's going to have to be like this it
couldn't be the same person every time like the idea is that like what like
we'd have like one cable during the chorus and like one person would walk by
and like do the foot flick and they'd like like roll past it and then like the
next person come by do the foot flick and if you can't do the foot flick
you're going to be in trouble you're going to be on the ground on the double
and then like someone Falls see I would love to see you in a rap battle I think
you could do it oh I love it I
definitely think you could do it so are we yeah I don't know we got to do
something with the foot flick okay whatever it ends up being we will we
will do something with the foot flick I cannot promise H nor threaten that it
will be a rap battle or a music video but it will definitely be something all
right speaking of things that are definitely something this is cool I mean
we don't we don't often just find um you
know like a little small PC announcement
and sort of make a big deal about it on the W show unless it's a product that we
think is like really really different and this is still just an all-in-one
mini piece or not allinone pardon me uh is still just a Mini PC but look at it
this is the ZBOX sphere and what it is
is it is a tiny PC like it's it's a okay
this isn't giving you guys much of an idea of the scale here so this was posted on the Forum by
4960x seriously people who put like
years in their usernames or like indiv idual products and their usernames you
guys got to forward think a little bit more anyway it's it's about this big I
saw it first at CES but this thing's got a core i5 processor in it and is a full
computer in the size of a sphere and you know what they deserve some attention
for this for trying to think out literally outside the box
oh no you don't want to do that are you sweaty it's nastyy okay well the point
is they're thinking outside the box in much the same way that apple is getting
so much attention for but who else is going to pay attention to Zotac for
doing something a little bit different other than us so I've requested a review
sample of that I do want to tell you guys more about it I think it's really
cool uh you basically Twist Off The Top for toolless upgrades it takes a 2 and 1
half inch SSD an MSA SSD and two sodium
modules and uh yeah I think that is pretty darn cool speaking of things that
aren't pretty darn cool oh yeah what is
what like what so this was posted on the Forum by Neils Kik and the original
article is from tweakers.net and basically Google sent out a letter that
was discovered by The Wall Street Journal thank you Wall Street Journal for being cool um this letter was sent
to the Securities and Exchange Commission back in December arguing that they don't have to specify their
revenues on mobile ads and one of the arguments that they brought up is that
it's difficult to indicate um mobile
devices because as the definition keeps on changing like it's difficult to pin
down what exactly is a mobile device so they use possible future examples such
as fridges thermostats glasses and
watches but the problem here is that even though Google hasn't talked or even
indicated that they have any plans of implementing ads on any of those kinds
of devices it shows that they're thinking
about it like how annoying would that be on something like a watch where you have
such cover the whole screen limited real estate where it's like or or okay but
let's let's move away from sort of the watches we have today and kind of go
okay what about the watch of tomorrow where it has a holographic display or whatever else could we be looking at a
situation where you like are expected to look past an ad or like if you look at
it at the wrong angle there's like an ad in your face yeah probably and it's
frustrating because this brings up the thing that we've talked about before too which is where you totally buy a device
and then that person that you bought the device from serves you ads which is
crazy frustrating okay speaking of so anyway
that's that's just it was a very brief discussion topic there speaking of uh
buying a device and then having the rug
completely pulled out from under you LG has uh LG guys not cool like not cool
what's going on here and as much as uh noir's original post about this is super
lame it just says silly LG and then is a uh and then is a link to the original
Source here that is not how we do things Noir um still I actually am not sure
what else I could have said about it so the original article is from teer.com
and basically what happened is this gentleman didn't want to roll out an
update to his 2-year-old TV that would
change the privacy policy in such a way
that he wasn't comfortable with so what LG reason sorry with good reason with
good reason so what LG oh yeah okay so what what it said was yeah when you use
live plus we may share certain viewing information device information and basic
usage information with third parties for advertising and analytics purposes and
enable the provision of information relevant to what you are
viewing um to third V thir party vendors
that LG Electronics May engage to provide services on his behalf from time to time such as to collect payment for
Content you purchase or to fulfill customer service requests or to provide advertising services
basically the guy was like yeah no that's not cool so LG basically goes
okay well you can either accept it or you cannot use the smart TV features of
your smart TV that you bought and it's not like he can just take it back to the
store at this point to 2-year-old TV that's about from Costco even Costco
doesn't take back 2-year-old TVs anymore I think it's a three-month limit now
wow I can't even begin to understand how
how they feel like this is okay I mean it's and they definitely do because it's
very plainly written yes that that's going to happen it's part of their
policy that they can just not if you if
you refuse to accept the the usage changes and you know what they're not
the only ones who have covered their butts in such a way that you know they
could just change anything at any time and you would just have to deal with it
I just feel like guys when we hear about things like this we have a
responsibility to not support the guys
who are if nothing else even if everyone
has this as part of their policy we can choose not to support the ones that are
enforcing it and at least make the ones
that aren't enforcing it kind of look at what's going on and go oh okay well
let's keep not enforcing let's keep not enforcing that because otherwise we are
going to back ourselves into a corner where we are just going to have no
choice and we're not going to have another option I've never really been interested in Smart TVs because I find
that honestly most of them are junk anyways they truly are um so I wouldn't
have bought one anyways but this makes it so that if I had to I would
specifically not buy an LG one CU again
we have to try and vote with our wallets it rarely seems to work but if we can
try again that would be fantastic yeah if we could just try that again that
would be that would be great thanks all right so big news this week
and I would love for you guys to to let's do like just a general Twitter
Blitz Q&A we're getting pretty close to the end of the show and if you could
specifically let me know because I have
zero marketing support from Microsoft I
don't know a single person in PR or their PR firm so for me to review the
surface 3 I'm going to straight up have to buy it so if you guys can let me know
like are you is some CU I don't need another laptop got g750 j-z Yo anyway uh
I don't need another laptop so if someone is like yeah I would totally buy
that off youus without you having to take a huge hit on it uh or if you guys
are like look this is totally worth the ,200 or so dollars you're going to have
to spend on a medium spec one to really yeah I know it's a lot of money to and
we really need you to review this we really need you to talk about this guys
let me know how important this is to you but basically here it is uh the Verge
was at the launch event they've got some pictures of it here and this looks like
what I pretty much asked for back when they launched the original surface and
the Surface RT it is thinner the
keyboard implementation is better so they've got a backlit uh type cover now
that actually mounts to the screen in a in a different way so you can actually
Fold It Up flat and then lay it against it so that it angles up a little bit at
the same time um the touchpad is bigger
on the type cover what they what they've effectively done is they've made it
while the battery life is still not quite there it's about 8 hours which is
pretty good but when you compare that to what is it 13 hours on the MacBook
Air it it apple is like ah I just I want
someone to beat them batteries are holding everything back everywhere batteries are holding everything back so
anyway the point is they have pretty much delivered what I asked for when
they first launched this device a longer battery um great power consumption it's
thinner it's beautiful it's more functional and it legitimately replaces
both the tablet and the note book in a way that the original just couldn't do
because the changes they've made to the kickstand allow it instead of just
locking into a position or two uh they it uses a friction mount to go anywhere
from 22 to 150° so you can sit the thing
up in your lap and still have it be supported well enough that you can use
it that way or you can lay it down flat and write on it with a
256 pressure layer or um pressure level
uh stylus and you can really use it in in every Poss possible way apparently
the front facing speakers sound great this is a real drawback of many devices
out there that I just feel like do a crappy job of implementing audio and I'm
glad to see someone other than HTC taking front-facing speakers and how
important they are seriously and like honestly guys it's faster it just looks
like one seriously cool device I really like that raise up that you can do on
the typ cover I hope it actually this is what I'm talking about right here doesn't make it kind of flex down a lot
while you're typing cuz that would not be very good I don't know this is the kind of thing that I'd really like to
there's a close-up of the hinge this is all from The Verge this is how you can lay it all the way down flat pretty much
so you can draw in it um it's it's
really clean looking so that surface branding on the back of it is pretty
much all you see it apparently does get a little bit warm in use I actually like
this placement of the Windows button right here rather than the bottom one
because when I sit and use a tablet or even a notebook I'm using my hands or a
hand and this is as good or better
always than down here yeah yeah yeah yeah where it's more of a like you like
grab something and you're liable to accidentally press it as often as press
it on purpose so uh let's let's do that
Twitter Blitz shall we guys we want to hear from you I feel bad we don't I feel
like we don't do enough Twitter interaction on this show anymore but we just have so much stuff to talk about um
Captain cake says buy one review it and return it okay that is a good suggestion
but there is an issue with that and that's that if something goes wrong and
we like you know we scratch it or something then we're in a pretty we're
in a pretty bad situation um someone says they' rather see us check out the
Lenovo X1 Carbon so that's from Ryan Jenkins Greg says it's really cool but I
don't think the audience would be interested enough well that's the point of this Twitter Blitz Let's uh let's
find out what the audience thinks about this actually speaking of uh the audience there were a couple of things
that I had in here that I wanted a um uh
a straw p okay one straw pole Luke can you create a straw pole on the infinex
so that was that omnidirectional treadmill we looked at before versus
augmented reality which one you would be more excited about if you could have a
full setup of either of them for the same price let's say and it supported
all the same games so infin infinitec VR versus infinitec AR versus no just AR
like running around out and about uh okay so let's keep Twitter blitzing here
guys someone says don't buy it my Seuss TB 100 performs probably just as good if
you can borrow it do that of course but it's not worth your own money Delon yeah
I I know you want it guys by the way this is the Delon who you can do two
things for one of two things you can either thank him for being the one who
does the wow table of contents or you can troll him for being the one who
makes the occasional mistake in the wow table of contents but huge shout out to
delans because without him the wo takes a lot longer for us to get up because by
the end of Friday Luke and I are just exhausted and going
back and rewatching the show that we just broadcast and like creating a table
of contents for it is not real high on our list of things that we like super
awesomely want to do and delans was actually the one who came up with the
idea of doing uh a condensed table of contents and then the super detailed one
that you guys can find topic by topic what interests you the most hey twitch
decided to allow me to be a mod again oh cool that's cool it wasn't this entire
stream so far I would like to see the new Surface but wouldn't be the end of
the world if I didn't get one okay all right lower your dongers because the
mods are perab Banning for flexing dongers the surface looks great don't
have the money now so much better than terrible Windows 8.1 is still a real
challenge for me um like I still you know issues man you know what it is 95
98% of the time I'm 100% okay with it
but then when I'm actually in a hurry to get something done and I swipe off the
side of my touchpad accidentally when I'm just trying to move the
mouse it it really drives me up the wall
it really does in a way that I can't even rationally
justify but and like when I AC when I
when I fire up a new pc and I go to listen to a song or look at a picture
and it opens that garbage modern UI application that is just less hurdles to
jump through worthless I just it just I
just go and they have to sit and wait for it to launch and they're so slow
they really slow they're slow to launch and it's just I know it's only a few
seconds and this is a total first world problem and it's stupid but it's not
slow to launch the desktop app but it's not slow to launch the desktop app we're
solving a problem that we never had anyway uh yes please do it says
Sebastian isn't it funny how you care more about the way your case interior
looks and the way your watch looks what's wrong with my watch yeah really I
like this watch actually a lot of of people have asked me about this is a cojito smartwatch I haven't spent much
time with the app yet so don't run out and buy them just because I'm wearing it yet I will let you guys know what I
think of it but I've had a lot of people compliment me on this watch to be
perfectly honest um more people than the
pebble with the pebble people are like what is that with this one people are
like oh what's that yeah 0.01 cares about Microsoft
Hardware hash just get Aus to build
it uh it would be really nice if you review the Surface Pro 3 already
considered buying it buying the Surface Pro 2 okay uh someone an says review a
base Surface three that's an interesting angle where we go okay here is the
starting point because I think most everyone else is going to be looking at high-end or mid-range configurations
whereas if we go okay no we're going to do like a really good review of so this
is the Surface three by the way you can also get these things by way you buy the
high models go go look at other people's reviews if you want to know what like
the cor i7 one performs like that's interesting it's not a bad idea it also
save you some money Ashley okay you were doing pretty well in this tweet up till
the bit about putting 10 GB Ethernet on the surface for I don't think that's
going to happen so good did we just did
we just lose a hockey game to the fins is that the joke here what's going on in
the world championships I haven't actually looked at it in the last couple days I don't think we did last
night pretty sure we didn't lose last night oh World Championships yeah world
championships hockey I I don't know I haven't haven't been paying that wanting
team to F Coach Dave tippet thought that
yeah no they beat the fins yeah screw you guys um okay I have the pro two it's
awesome reveal the pro three says bebs kadoo who is my my favorite whatever you
are cool guy favorite dude the sa the
surface is the one to review go for it okay so looks like people straight up
really want me to check out the surface 3 okay I'm going to I'm going to order
one today okay I'll order one and uh you know if someone wants to you know buy it
off of us on the garage sale I can promise you there will be a bit of a
deal but it might not be a lot cheaper than uh you know than a surface 3 that
uh you buy new but it'll be in great condition I'll take really good care of
it to the best of my ability here guys
um Zach Janice says why not just get a convertible notebook you know what it's
a great question and uh I was using a Del X ps12 for a long time which is a
convertible notebook the reason would say that a surface 3 might make sense is
that a convertible notebook is not a tablet whereas a surface 3 is a tablet
but it also has so much more capability
than a tablet because of the kickstand because of the stylus because of the
ability to add these keyboard accessories that are well implemented
and not cluggy I also find that this tablet is going to be a lot thinner and
smaller over it's much thinner much lighter so there are real reasons why
surface makes sense Beyond uh or instead
of a convertible notebook uh apparently the I5 model comes out two months sooner
than the others so I guess we might end up just uh hitting that one I guess
Philip says yeah yeah I'll definitely take it after you review it all right fair enough oh we've got people asking
about the modus sweep Stakes or geek Stakes excuse me I think the draw is in
eight minutes unless it was at nine shoot I'm uh dirty I think I'm at a bit
of a loss here okay well either way guys go back every weekday and make sure that
you go uh that you go check that out and thanks again to modus for sponsoring our
show today uh have you seen the metal
metag glasses space glasses for AR no I haven't but we don't click links on uh
on Twitter on the wow anymore after some bad
experiences I don't think that's the best still grab of uh luk ever
no okay so that's about it setting aside
the money Nintendo and Sony has what
would be the ups and downs of Nintendo
straight up buying
PlayStation I'd be down with Nintendo buying PlayStation they won't at all for
sure because I mean the thing is that it's not in their like model at
all the thing that I think
people need to get about Nintendo is
that they're not having trouble right now because they can't build a build a
powerful gaming console or because they can't pursue the whole third party trip
well okay they are having trouble pursuing third party triaa gaming titles but it's because of the different
approach that they believe in pursuing
with you know multiple screens and different controller schemas and all
that kind of stuff it's not like Nintendo doesn't know how to build a
brick with controllers plugged into it um so they wouldn't buy PlayStation for
the sake of the innovation of PS4 being
a brick with controllers yeah wirelessly connected to it
being pluged into wireless controllers all we modes so I just think straight up
Nintendo just wouldn't even be interested even if they could afford it
nope I don't think so either like at all and I'm okay with that I think Wii U and
I think 2DS 3DS deserves a lot more attention and a lot more respect than it
gets cuz honestly 2DS 3DS is really fun
they're integrated super well that's another thing people don't understand is
everyone everyone will complain for days when Battlefield doesn't work off the
bat and tight Titanfall is not very well optimized for PC off the bat and there's
like all these problems all over the place but then when every single
Nintendo game like ever works completely
flawlessly out of the box as far as I can think of off the top of my head uh
no one seems to really care I have a Wii U and I have a 2DS they're both
absolutely fantastic whenever anyone comes over we often end up playing Wii U
because PC games are great but they're great when your buddy is still at his
house or you're landing and that's actually kind of difficult to kind do
all the time um so yeah I don't I don't know I don't know I think they deserve a
lot more attention than they get I mean speaking of of uh of their games all
working flawlessly the gam spy serers shutting down was a bit of a problem
recently for DS owners who still want to play Mario Kart Wii owners who still
want to play their games but that was brutal there's some good news out of all
of this as well this was originally posted by Bonsai 99 on the Forum and
here's a post from bungie.net Halo
PC Combat Evolved and custom Edition
there's a new patch so the GameSpy servers went down
so you weren't going to be able to even look for online servers because the the
server list server is gone so some dude
in the community coded a new server list Bungie put up some of their own servers
to host this stuff and things are rolling again one of the big things in
the new patch was they did a bunch of small bug fixes so essentially the game
should have died this month and Bungie was just like nope here's patches fixing
things here patch is bringing the servers back you guys are good to go and
that's awesome that's super cool like so
much more respect for bung so like it's fixing things like upper boundary on
video resolution fixing things like they're even fixing they fixed active
camo on NVIDIA cards like they're even
fixing like graphical stuff never mind
crashes or like oh man that so cool
there was a bunch of different members of the community that brought up some of these bugs and like different ways that
they could fix it and whatnot and then that guy in the community coded this
list and people I know people are going to come back and be like oh well they
kept it up because like strong Community Focus and the community kind of fixed
everything for them doesn't matter this happens all the time yeah there's super
dedicated people in so many different communities it's insane that ask really
nicely really allowed to fix it yeah exactly yeah this
happens all the time it just it took Bungie to actually accept this help and
actually do it and then thank those people which I think is really cool I think this is just like the the coolest
most like feeling happy like gaming news
that like I I just I want to go buy a copy I want to go back and play Halo I
just want to go buy a copy and like play the heck out of it go play through the
single player we should like I've wanted to do this a long time okay you know
what guys you got to let us know you got us let us you got to let us know
um if we did a very small land event in
Vancouver would you guys be down to help us cover the costs it would be a very
small land event and it wouldn't be like at my house or anything so we would have
to actually get a venue so it might not be that cheap no um but would you guys
be down to come and hang with us I have to say I haven't played much in the way
of video games in the last little while and I firmly believe that a land is only
fun as long as everyone is on the same page and playing the same game so we
would publish a games list and we would expect people to come and play those
games and have fun and eat some snacks but would you guys be down to come to
something like that even if it was like fullon Nazi mode anyone opens wow at
this land we will literally have him
pick you up pick up your computer and throw both of you out the door we'll
bring my brother too just yeah we'll bring your brother too just in case we need some more like thug muscle but
there you go guys would you be down to come let us know on Twitter I'm not
going to Blitz it right now but I will definitely check it out later and I'd
love to see the results of that straw pole that we were that we created before
so here no no I'm just going to we'll switch over to you here so in was having
an issue on Firefox but I've got it up
in Chrome way to be straw pole okay so here we go I did allow multiple votes I
did allow multiple votes that's how it's going to be so I made it so that people
could vote for multiple things and a lot of people still just decided to vote for
one thing and that was the lonus rap battle I I got after you for posting
like banana and all this other crap and all of our polls so I was like you know
what whatever I can do it too so lus rap battle wins with 70% of the votes um and
then the rest of it got almost no votes
this isn't even like statistically significant not even close so both the
other options got under 20% I hate you infinitec VR coming in at
177% and AR not even getting 15% coming
in at 13% personally I vote for AR running around um but infinite de VR
would be awesome as well and I think the
nice smooth experience would probably come first to in infinitec VR style
gaming right because being able to actively render things in ai ai really
really well and on the flying stuff I think is not really going to happen for a little while now it's at 69% that's
perfect all right well on that uh on
that completely mature and uh you know
sophisticated note thank you guys very much for tuning in to the WAN Show we'll
see you guys again next week and uh I
I'll probably I don't think I'm going to do a garage sale today but I'll come
back and stream for a couple minutes but then I got to go get the uh got to go
get the baby so good stuff all
right seriously you got to pull the thing up way to go well if I
oh we just had uh talk 46 message us and let us know that the Mario Kart Wii
Community also managed to create C custom server something well it's a
tweet so I don't know that the grammar is necessarily correct but there you go
so that's pretty cool yeah
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