1 00:00:01,640 --> 00:00:10,000 the mic's in kind of a random position but uh you know what whatever guys you 2 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:14,120 know the funny thing about technical difficulties is that sometimes you're 3 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:19,439 looking for these complicated Solutions because we've had so many problems on 4 00:00:16,359 --> 00:00:22,119 this show in the past with like capture 5 00:00:19,439 --> 00:00:26,599 cards being at the wrong settings and like you know like here here just like 6 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:31,920 funny stupid stuff like this where outputting over HDMI from a laptop by 7 00:00:29,439 --> 00:00:36,120 the way you know big thanks to ASUS g750jz sponsor of the laptop laptop of 8 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:42,680 the show all that good stuff so you output over a laptop over HDMI which in 9 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:45,760 theory is a 1080p 60 htz signal but on 10 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:48,960 our capture card you don't set a 11 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:51,399 progressive input you set 12 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:58,120 59.97 interlaced it's just like stuff that 13 00:00:54,640 --> 00:01:00,480 unless you're some kind of savant you 14 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:02,920 can't possibly be expected to know and so we've done enough trial and error 15 00:01:01,879 --> 00:01:08,680 with this stuff that when something doesn't work and I go oh no my laptop 16 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:13,360 capture is not working okay let's try all the HS and try all the like I'm 17 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:19,360 going to I'm going to grab like tables and adapters laptops get yeah grab grab 18 00:01:17,119 --> 00:01:23,520 like you know half a dozen different laptops and like the weird like adapters 19 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:29,520 that you made by putting together multiple adapters and then it turns out 20 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:31,200 someone stepped on the blanking cable 21 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:36,040 and p pulled it out of the capture card over on the other end which I can't see 22 00:01:33,119 --> 00:01:42,280 so that is why we're late I am terribly sorry guys you deserve the very best 23 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:43,799 from us and uh we we were we were late 24 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:51,320 today we are trying to we're trying to be better about all that stuff but we 25 00:01:45,759 --> 00:01:52,759 are human or are we nope spoiler alert 26 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:58,479 spoiler alert and it was revealed later on in 27 00:01:55,759 --> 00:02:02,000 the show that actually they were livestock 28 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:08,879 I was going to do a sheep now I don't know what to do you could go with cow I 29 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:11,920 don't want to go with cow just cuz you've been losing weight lately doesn't 30 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:20,239 mean that you uh don't have to make the cow noise Make the cow noise make it 31 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:26,319 no speaking of speaking of paying people to do things and basically owning their 32 00:02:22,319 --> 00:02:30,400 souls um you guys we did the most 33 00:02:26,319 --> 00:02:33,319 unusual sponsor integration ever for 34 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:36,480 fractal design on fast as possible that video will be up tonight as long as 35 00:02:34,920 --> 00:02:41,200 Taran finishes editing it before he has to go to a wedding over there and uh let 36 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:47,480 me tell you guys it is something a little bit different and yes indeed 37 00:02:43,920 --> 00:02:51,200 thank you twitch chat sheep is only a 38 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:53,400 word nothing more than that in fact if 39 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:58,480 we break it down even further sheep is nothing but five letters series of 40 00:02:55,760 --> 00:03:03,120 characters all right and the W show is just a series of top topics that are 41 00:03:00,959 --> 00:03:08,040 technology and gaming and all that great stuff so we've got a few interesting 42 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:12,400 things this week number one is hover 43 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:14,599 bikes are evidently an actual thing 44 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:21,480 there is a hover bike it is going into production you can pre-order 45 00:03:17,319 --> 00:03:23,319 one also the infinitec could be a more 46 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:27,519 elegant omnidirectional treadmill solution compared to the virtuix Omni 47 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:31,480 which we have checked out but there are going to be some challenges so we'll 48 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:36,599 talk to you guys more about that after um l oh I'll let you talk it's all good 49 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:40,400 either way LG is going to be well they already did update their P privacy 50 00:03:38,599 --> 00:03:44,200 policy so that essentially you have to share everything or get nothing we'll 51 00:03:41,959 --> 00:03:49,080 talk more about that later and Bungie has done the hero move and saved Halo 52 00:03:46,799 --> 00:03:52,760 Combat Evolved and custom Edition and we'll talk about that later as well they 53 00:03:50,319 --> 00:03:57,280 are so cool yeah I Prett much love that I want their boots just so that I can 54 00:03:54,959 --> 00:04:04,200 lick them so you don't necessarily have to be 55 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:07,300 in boots no no okay 56 00:04:35,840 --> 00:04:42,280 there we go the show today uh okay put the things in the 57 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:47,479 right places is brought to you by Squarespace the fast easy way to create 58 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:53,680 your own beautiful website it's elegant it's smooth and they even have a song 59 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:58,520 and I don't know why that says offer code sign up at bit. lehs share because 60 00:04:56,360 --> 00:05:02,199 that isn't right but 20% off Elite prices with offer code minus and you 61 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:06,680 just go to squarespace.com you don't have to actually worry about a special 62 00:05:03,759 --> 00:05:10,560 URL our next sponsor is actually a new one and this one is one you guys are 63 00:05:08,520 --> 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z97 with the 74 00:06:02,319 --> 00:06:10,759 one and only JJ from ASUS and huge thanks to ASUS for providing us with 75 00:06:07,639 --> 00:06:13,080 these g750 jzs that we Ed for the WAN 76 00:06:10,759 --> 00:06:17,360 show here it was almost I was almost in a bit of an awkward position where I was 77 00:06:15,039 --> 00:06:21,800 I was like maybe it's the laptop's fault that I can't output and screen share and 78 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:27,840 I was like oh that's going to be like really really awkward if I have to say 79 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:30,080 that but it wasn't so now Y no 80 00:06:27,840 --> 00:06:35,199 awkwardness I get to talk about the Rock Solid heart touching reliability of 81 00:06:32,319 --> 00:06:39,319 the HDMI output on this notebook and I don't have to stress out about that 82 00:06:37,639 --> 00:06:42,240 other stuff I'm sorry did it touch your heart oh it definitely touched me you 83 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:45,960 emotionally happy I don't know about the heart it does kind of touch you actually 84 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:51,240 it does touch me quite intimately and it it it it it touches my junk yep it 85 00:06:48,599 --> 00:06:55,599 touches my junk and I'm okay with that because it actually doesn't run that hot 86 00:06:53,400 --> 00:07:01,360 yeah yeah that's true for a gaming notebook I'm surprisingly okay with it's 87 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:05,960 just like a nice comfortable warm 88 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:09,120 yeah having warm junk is not a bad thing 89 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:11,360 so we both comfortably spoon our 90 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:15,319 notebooks our notebooks the W show well no for us to call it spooning we'd have 91 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:19,000 to like kind of turn them around and just really bad for usability sit like 92 00:07:17,199 --> 00:07:23,160 this with them yeah but there you know what if I had a criticism of ASUS's 93 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:29,800 latest gaming notebook reach round is not very easy doesn't 94 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:33,919 work reach round is very difficult to manage oh you need to make it so that 95 00:07:31,759 --> 00:07:37,479 the keyboard can pop out and then swivel around yeah so you can type backwards 96 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:46,720 the funny thing about ASUS is they have so many different notebooks that they like probably have one like that 97 00:07:42,039 --> 00:07:51,120 like the taichi it's got screens on both 98 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:53,840 sides yes perfect okay there we go oh I 99 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:57,560 love it what the hell are we even talking about I don't know spooning 100 00:07:55,240 --> 00:08:04,080 laptops spooning laptops no we have an actual show to can you just stay focused 101 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:06,800 for 5 minutes I guess I mean like jeez 102 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:11,199 man twitch chat is uh not working for me so unfortunately I can't chat with you 103 00:08:09,039 --> 00:08:15,800 guys maybe it's because I got signed out for some reason I'm just going to go 104 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:19,319 ahead and sign that baby back in and then let's let's let's kick off our 105 00:08:17,919 --> 00:08:23,800 first topic here you guys our first topic I believe is hover bikes hover 106 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:28,759 bikes let's do that okay so you guys check this out this is unreal we're 107 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:35,039 going to screen share because we can do that an advertisement oh no way long 108 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:40,279 summer weekends are just around the corner spr check by your certified 109 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:45,279 Service Experts no yeah it is it's twitch it's that hardcore muted but 110 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:50,160 still doing things uh we could learn about these oh the ad goes away on its 111 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:52,680 own that's Innovative beautiful so there 112 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:59,519 it is you guys skip button here the world's first functional hover bike the 113 00:08:56,880 --> 00:09:04,360 Aro X and this is such a great this is such a great 114 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:06,360 uh this is such a great tagline the aox 115 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:12,040 lets you pretend to hover bike through the forests of Endor which it legit 116 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:17,240 actually does so this picture is not faked in any way this isn't like the 117 00:09:14,279 --> 00:09:21,560 hover skateboard H that was so depressing with you know Christopher 118 00:09:18,839 --> 00:09:25,240 Lloyd and Tony Hawk and like all these people involved that I was just like 119 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:30,440 what are you guys actually doing and it was like right before but not on April 120 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:32,680 fools yeah like it wasn't April fools I 121 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:38,040 was just like yeah this is just kind of mean to people because a lot of people 122 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:41,519 really went for it so I I was sad for 123 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:43,279 them um so basically this the video here 124 00:09:41,519 --> 00:09:49,200 is actually from a prototype um back in 125 00:09:46,560 --> 00:09:53,360 2012 and I don't know if we've got audio here I don't know if there's actually 126 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:57,120 audio on this uh on this video here I'm just going to check really quick here 127 00:09:55,399 --> 00:10:01,480 yeah okay there's no audio on the video but some of the interesting stuff actually happens a little bit later so 128 00:09:59,519 --> 00:10:06,399 some of the challenges that they went through were figuring out how to counter 129 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:11,040 the um like when you're when you're first spinning up the roers there's a 130 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:14,720 lot of force that can cause it to that can cause the bike to to to to torque 131 00:10:13,079 --> 00:10:19,160 one way or the other they had to figure out how to counter that they had to take 132 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:26,000 some cues from quadricopter like the parad Drone with respect to how to track 133 00:10:23,279 --> 00:10:31,959 if you're just drifting in the wind uh the idea though and this is this is the 134 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:34,800 craziest thing about it the idea here is 135 00:10:31,959 --> 00:10:38,440 that if you ride a motorcycle you should be able to straight up get on one of 136 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:45,560 these and ride it which as someone who can ride a 137 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:47,240 motorcycle is like pretty exciting yeah 138 00:10:45,560 --> 00:10:51,320 so they're going pretty slow in this video but this is quite an old video oh 139 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:55,560 yeah I saw this like years ago oh man look at this but what's cool about it is 140 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:59,920 they're giving us some specs about the finished one so they're saying it can go 141 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:08,360 up to 67 km an hour and up to 3.7 M High which doesn't sound 142 00:11:04,399 --> 00:11:10,800 like a ton 72 km hour sorry and up to 143 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:16,480 3.7 met High which doesn't sound that high but think about this for a second 144 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:20,519 uh especially the American viewers 145 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:23,480 um 3.7 m is more than a 146 00:11:20,519 --> 00:11:27,760 story like that's more than the height of like almost pretty much the highest 147 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:34,360 ceiling you'd ever find in a house so you would you could literally be driving 148 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:36,639 around looking into Second Story Windows 149 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:40,120 if something like this was ever street legal which you probably shouldn't do 150 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:44,399 yeah and you probably shouldn't do that and the reason for forward the reason 151 00:11:42,079 --> 00:11:47,480 for the 3.7 meter height restriction is actually so that you don't get 152 00:11:45,680 --> 00:11:53,040 classified as an aircraft um in theory I guess there's no 153 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:58,000 real reason why it couldn't go higher but like someone's going to make like 154 00:11:55,560 --> 00:12:01,639 that override going to die oh yeah it's going to be brutal like someone will die 155 00:12:00,079 --> 00:12:06,639 and then they're going to set back personal flying vehicles like 10 20 156 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:09,800 years and it's going to be terrible you are wrecking it for us all they they 157 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:13,399 have safety stuff too which I thought was interesting those like anti- flip 158 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:16,600 guide rails that you saw around the side in the video um and they're thinking 159 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:22,199 about doing stuff like replacing those or adding on airbags which I think is 160 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:25,600 really smart that's actually either 161 00:12:22,199 --> 00:12:27,320 really smart or like just a totally bad 162 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:30,680 idea like how do you put an airbag on a motorcycle no I think it's designed more 163 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:34,480 like that that motorcycle helmet that's in airbag or sorry not motorcycle helmet 164 00:12:32,639 --> 00:12:38,800 but like pedal biking helmet yeah okay because it'll it'll not it'll register a 165 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:43,760 fall and then so yeah I I think it's going to be around the sides so it could 166 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:45,920 be more like a suit almost even or a I'm 167 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:51,880 in freef fall and it goes like a marshmallow man from Ghostbusters on 168 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:53,480 me it just like lets itself pop so you 169 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:57,160 have the soft impact and then maybe you fall like a foot but it's no big deal I 170 00:12:55,519 --> 00:13:01,360 don't think you'd want it to let itself pop because the thing about crumple 171 00:12:59,519 --> 00:13:06,440 zones on cars is that they're designed to be weak but strong enough because 172 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:10,560 like let's say Okay so let's let's think about it's not going to it's a it's a 173 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:14,760 unless they make it foam if it's an airbag it's not going to crumple Zone 174 00:13:12,279 --> 00:13:18,240 yeah exactly so like if it popped that's like kind of like crumple Zone logic 175 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:22,120 yeah that's why I was thinking yeah so that's like probably terrible cuz like 176 00:13:20,399 --> 00:13:26,040 depend okay depending how you're falling right yeah because if the way that you 177 00:13:24,079 --> 00:13:28,959 crash is kind of like you know the one Stormtrooper or bike trooper or whatever 178 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:34,519 they were called you know why they had those those uh because there was an 179 00:13:31,639 --> 00:13:38,360 issue manufacturing like stormtrooper armor and so they were like oh yeah 180 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:43,320 we'll like redesign them we'll call them like these Troopers this is all this is 181 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:47,920 all hearsay it's not validated but that's a rumor I heard so anyway like 182 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:52,600 the one guy who gets thrown off the bike and goes into the tree and like what I 183 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:57,079 think was one of the most memorable Star Wars bad guy deaths actually the guy who 184 00:13:55,399 --> 00:14:02,560 like hits the tree upside down and then falls down so if that was how you like 185 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:08,639 fell off of it like something disastrous happened you went flying off of it at 72 186 00:14:04,399 --> 00:14:11,680 km an hour you would want it to be solid 187 00:14:08,639 --> 00:14:13,160 enough yeah my only bounce more than 188 00:14:11,680 --> 00:14:18,720 like that's what I was worried about though is exactly what you just said is bouncing cuz I don't want to bounce I 189 00:14:16,560 --> 00:14:23,720 feel like that would be a terrible thing and you're just smacking something at 72 190 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:25,920 km an hour and then going bong one way 191 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:31,800 that you could absorb the impact without letting the air out of the device is you 192 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:34,680 could allow the to shift around inside 193 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:40,040 the bubble so not like fully inflated yeah so like a little bit of relax yeah 194 00:14:37,399 --> 00:14:45,800 or if you had like or if you had um you know narrower gaps internally so that 195 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:50,320 the air can't move extremely quickly from one zone to another squeeze into 196 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:55,279 another Zone but flow yeah then you could keep it from just bouncing off of 197 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:59,519 trees or neither of us are Engineers Nei seems like a not terrible idea safety 198 00:14:57,399 --> 00:15:02,399 you know Rangers I thought that was super cool when they came out with the 199 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:07,000 biking helmet that inflates it was just way too expensive if I remember 200 00:15:04,199 --> 00:15:10,160 correctly yeah it was yeah it was really expensive crazy expensive um and I don't 201 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:13,920 even know that it was available in North America so that's I don't really think 202 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:18,279 so it it was just like a university project not how airbags work lennice I 203 00:15:16,399 --> 00:15:23,399 know that's not how airbags work we're not talking about airbags and again 204 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:27,440 we're not safety Engineers so like don't listen to any of that cuz none of that 205 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:30,959 will happen we would be we would be safety fun engineers 206 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:36,279 I think what they were talking about anyways was airbags on the side of the 207 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:37,920 thing I like this idea from Felix r90 a 208 00:15:36,279 --> 00:15:41,079 giant laser beam that destroys everything in front of you perfect so 209 00:15:39,639 --> 00:15:47,600 you don't hit it and you never have to worry about it well because you know what that's that's why motorcyclists on 210 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:52,000 the track can crash at you know a couple hundred kilometers an hour and actually 211 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:57,079 be much less likely to be injured or killed than someone who crashes on the 212 00:15:53,759 --> 00:15:58,720 street going 70 80 km an hour because 213 00:15:57,079 --> 00:16:03,199 there's no obstacles I thought you were going to like cuz they're giant laser 214 00:16:00,279 --> 00:16:08,199 beams and I was like what no it's like yeah the Ducati laser beam mobile no 215 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:14,199 because what happens is if you if you watch what happens when a motorcycle is Crash like it's still bad and you can 216 00:16:11,319 --> 00:16:18,399 still get like messed up real good but they skid on their gear they slide on 217 00:16:16,399 --> 00:16:24,399 the gear whereas when you hit a lamp post it's horrible your slide stops yeah 218 00:16:21,839 --> 00:16:27,880 I saw this GIF terrible segue but I saw this GIF of guys skateboarding and the 219 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:31,399 one guy flies off and his skateboard goes across and takes out a few people 220 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:34,720 one of the guys jumps off his skateboard before he gets hit by the other 221 00:16:32,759 --> 00:16:38,040 skateboard and they're going really fast so he has to like keep himself running 222 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:42,759 but he's going too quick and he Dives and he skims right beside this pole and 223 00:16:40,319 --> 00:16:45,920 he slides like really fast right beside it and if you would have nailed right 224 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:50,480 into it that would have been really bad did you see the uh did God did you see 225 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:54,600 the one at the skateboarder who lands on his ass at the bottom of a of a bike 226 00:16:52,480 --> 00:17:00,839 Rail and then like lands right on the skateboard yeah and then just like rolls 227 00:16:57,639 --> 00:17:00,839 on by and the guy gives him a high five 228 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:06,760 oh that was awesome we should just turn this whole show into meme I know we 229 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:11,120 should just cover all the memes Ray William Johnson's not doing equals 3 230 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:15,199 anymore I think that there is a definite Gap okay sorry guys it's not April fools 231 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:20,799 so I shouldn't be making jokes like that we are not turning this into equals 3 no 232 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:26,160 like equals equals when we're rebranding the show again and 233 00:17:24,120 --> 00:17:29,760 you guys will all hate it again okay let's do one more topic before we bring 234 00:17:27,959 --> 00:17:35,120 JJ on just because otherwise I feel like we're not going to get any topics done 235 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:39,919 today infinite um yeah the infinite this 236 00:17:35,120 --> 00:17:42,160 you guys this this is um 237 00:17:39,919 --> 00:17:45,480 actually I you know what I'll let I'll let you introduce this topic um I'm 238 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:52,679 going to fire up the video here though so that they can check this out while you talk so Omni was called a 239 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:54,840 360° treadmill essentially but it wasn't 240 00:17:52,679 --> 00:17:57,600 really I it depends on I guess how you want to look at that but I don't really 241 00:17:56,200 --> 00:18:01,760 see it as a treadmill because you just kind of slid yeah shoes that were 242 00:18:00,120 --> 00:18:06,960 designed for sliding it's more like a tread cereal bowl yeah that you stand in 243 00:18:05,120 --> 00:18:10,520 yeah this is actually a treadmill that can actually go in 360° which is very 244 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:14,520 interesting you can see they're walking on crazy angles but that's because the 245 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:20,320 the Treads are moving in two different directions which allow that to be able to happen so very interesting it still 246 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:26,240 has tons of the same problems that Omni has and probably even more so in the 247 00:18:22,360 --> 00:18:28,480 idea of it not being very easy to store 248 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:32,240 uh being gigantic in general being expens being expensive difficult to 249 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:36,080 manufacture difficult to manufacture all that kind of stuff um probably even more 250 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:40,559 so for most of those it has tons of other issues too in terms of latency 251 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:44,159 getting feedback from the game and it not reacting in time you moving in a 252 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:49,000 weird way and it not reacting in time all this kind of stuff that being said 253 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:50,640 it's really early on so hopefully that 254 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:56,000 kind of stuff can come later um it's it's yeah it's it's going 255 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:59,679 to be expensive I can't see this possible because you got to think it's 256 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:03,720 more advanced than a normal Y and treadmills are already not that 257 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:08,919 cheap but then again exercise equipment seems to be the biggest gigantic scam in 258 00:19:06,679 --> 00:19:13,159 the entire world in terms of how much that stuff costs versus how much it 259 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:18,240 costs to manufacture I mean it's a weight it's literally a hunk of metal 260 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:23,080 the dumbbells that I have at my house are like just it's one solid piece like 261 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:28,200 it's not one of those really nice ones and even the paint on it is like it obviously dripped on the one side and 262 00:19:26,360 --> 00:19:32,640 they all look like that they're like not even that cheap cheap and they're just completely crap but it's just the 263 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:36,159 cheapest ones that they had so I was like whatever I don't need a fancy one 264 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:40,240 it weighs a certain amount and I pick it up and put it 265 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:45,760 down I'm not too worried about it like biggest scan ever you know that would be 266 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:48,240 that would be a great business idea so 267 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:52,480 Media Group Waits no no not I don't want to do it but but if someone if someone 268 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:57,600 went okay we're going to make like environmentally conscious exercise 269 00:19:54,480 --> 00:20:00,559 equipment so basically all it is is like 270 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:04,520 recycled metal crap and they just molded into the shape of things 271 00:20:03,120 --> 00:20:10,559 that people can lift and put down and they'll just be like look this stuff legit didn't cost us any more than scrap 272 00:20:07,799 --> 00:20:15,799 metal costs so you cover the shipping you cover our cost to turn it into this 273 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:19,240 shape and we're good and also some 274 00:20:15,799 --> 00:20:22,159 profit not but not as much but not that 275 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:26,280 much yeah not that much that's not a bad idea I'm sure that would work pretty 276 00:20:23,799 --> 00:20:32,480 well actually it's the not the world's most horrible idea 277 00:20:29,679 --> 00:20:37,720 by lightest Media Group oh we never oh we never said the uh the hover bike uh 278 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:42,039 right you you have to put down 5,000 and the price is going to be 85,000 so you 279 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:45,280 put down 5,000 just to reserve one and they're not expecting them to actually 280 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:50,640 be available until 2017 so this is like some pretty 281 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:56,159 hardcore pre-ordering going on but you know expecting you know clients like US 282 00:20:53,679 --> 00:21:00,679 border patrol or Park Rangers or let they're an off-road vehicle to be the 283 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:03,960 the Target for this um maybe maybe they're willing maybe some of them are 284 00:21:02,039 --> 00:21:06,960 willing to at least invest in one to find out if it's a good idea and then go 285 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:11,919 from there apparently someone has named them slick lifts slick lifts I I think 286 00:21:10,159 --> 00:21:15,279 slick lifts are more like the kind of thing I would want to wear in my 287 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:20,320 shoes oh that's not a bad name slick lifts and 288 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:24,880 they could be like stylish they could be like fancy colors because if if we've 289 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:29,480 learned anything from Kickstarter it's that people will Kickstart the hell out 290 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:32,840 of anything that's a completely normal thing but like different colors did you 291 00:21:30,919 --> 00:21:38,760 see that Kickstarter for brightly colored USB like micro cables no I was 292 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:42,919 just like really and someone was like oh lonus you should cover this you should 293 00:21:40,279 --> 00:21:49,360 request a sample and I'm just like what could I possibly say hates micro USB 294 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:52,159 cables with a with all the fiery passion 295 00:21:49,360 --> 00:21:58,760 that I can conjure in my soul um I I hate micro USB so you know a 296 00:21:56,520 --> 00:22:03,200 slightly more aesthetically pleasing micro USB cable is unlikely to light a 297 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:07,520 fire for me something I also want to bring up about infinitec if we're going 298 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:12,200 to be bouncing around in topics is uh the the the possible Resurgence and 299 00:22:09,559 --> 00:22:16,799 comeback of the arcade I brought this up when we first 300 00:22:14,559 --> 00:22:21,159 started talking about because if you have like a home infinitec it's going to 301 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:28,080 be this little tiny thing if you go to a giant arcade it could be infinex style 302 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:30,120 infinite room yeah and it could be like 303 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:33,919 a whole whole room and that kind of a thing might cost $100,000 so you're not 304 00:22:32,919 --> 00:22:38,559 going to be able to afford it in your house yeah and you might not have space 305 00:22:36,039 --> 00:22:43,720 for it like at all but every arcade in the Lower Mainland here in the Vancouver 306 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:46,840 area is gone now because you can get so 307 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:49,200 close to that experience at home whereas 308 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:53,840 this could be a complete Revival for that business model where it's like you 309 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:59,240 look you know come in and pay 30 bucks an hour to use whatever you want and 310 00:22:56,159 --> 00:23:01,400 with virtual reality and the kinds of 311 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:06,159 I I can imagine someone like Oculus having a professional grade option 312 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:10,200 versus a consumer grade option so having like really Advanced virtual reality 313 00:23:08,120 --> 00:23:14,200 with much better sensors low latency cameras for motion tracking all built 314 00:23:12,159 --> 00:23:18,360 all around into the room built into a room I mean that's the kind of thing 315 00:23:16,159 --> 00:23:22,600 that I I would I would go and I would pay 30 bucks an hour to go chill for a 316 00:23:20,360 --> 00:23:27,520 couple hours i' try yeah if if they had VR and AR experiences too you could have 317 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:33,279 both Styles that's my problem with the infinitec though is I really don't think 318 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:37,159 that stationary okay outside of markets where like places like Europe and Japan 319 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:42,760 where they're legitimately not going to have enough space for an augmented 320 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:47,880 reality gaming experience I think that augmented reality is going to be the one 321 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:53,679 that draws me much more than VR like I would rather deal with the inconvenience 322 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:59,440 of a backpack with like a heavy battery in it or something and a front-facing 323 00:23:56,120 --> 00:24:00,840 camera that augments what what I see and 324 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:06,000 then you're going to get like essentially uh paintball fields yes 325 00:24:04,279 --> 00:24:09,520 because one problem with that is if you just kind of cruise if you do it in your 326 00:24:07,559 --> 00:24:13,679 house it's a very limited setup yes every map's going to be the same it's going to get really boring if you do it 327 00:24:12,120 --> 00:24:16,279 outside people are going to look at you like you're absolutely insane and 328 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:22,080 they're probably going to try and talk to you and that's going to break the whole immersion experience so it's going 329 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:24,080 to have to be like a like a a VR field I 330 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:29,279 think which could be really cool and you know what it comes back to our tanks and 331 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:30,320 RC tanks and planes idea where like oh 332 00:24:29,279 --> 00:24:35,200 man people might not even get that reference actually piloting you know 333 00:24:33,039 --> 00:24:40,159 like a plane and being able to fire like virtual lasers and crap at other 334 00:24:37,039 --> 00:24:42,919 people's planes and like take them down 335 00:24:40,159 --> 00:24:47,830 the future is the future is exciting um all right so why don't we bring JJ on do 336 00:24:45,120 --> 00:24:51,000 you want to get him to join us 337 00:24:51,000 --> 00:25:00,320 here I'm going to just tweet this out tune in live 338 00:24:55,960 --> 00:25:00,320 at you w twitch. 339 00:25:02,279 --> 00:25:10,840 tvlist we actually have a watch page on linch tips.com I just don't know the URL 340 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:20,080 which is sort of a terrible terrible thing nobody does anymore yeah okay all 341 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:21,600 right so bring on our oh oh is that are 342 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:27,159 you there hello sir can you hear me I I can 343 00:25:25,159 --> 00:25:33,279 hear you sir I can hear you sir fantastic all right all right so guys 344 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:35,200 give JJ a warm welcome and uh all that 345 00:25:33,279 --> 00:25:42,399 good stuff in the twitch chat for those of you who don't know who this gentleman 346 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:45,120 is he is the tech Guru of ASUS who knows 347 00:25:42,399 --> 00:25:49,919 all the things about all the ASUS you I swear I swear you could ask him any 348 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:54,240 question about an ASUS product past present and probably even future and he 349 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:57,880 would know the answer but that third category he probably couldn't tell you 350 00:25:55,679 --> 00:26:02,799 about it so you are extremely nice I thank you I thank you I I try my best I 351 00:26:00,279 --> 00:26:08,679 try my best man but yeah that is very that is a very humbling introduction so 352 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:12,679 thank you all right so I think the uh 353 00:26:08,679 --> 00:26:14,880 the thing to do here is to invite people 354 00:26:12,679 --> 00:26:18,320 on the Twitter boards to go ahead and we're going to do things a little bit 355 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:24,000 differently this week rather than just tweeting at liniste any questions you 356 00:26:20,919 --> 00:26:27,880 have about ASUS products particularly 357 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:29,000 z97 and h97 motherboards we want you to 358 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:34,600 use #and I don't remember what it is anymore 359 00:26:31,799 --> 00:26:38,080 and I can uh I can I can see that that's going to be a problem for me okay so I'm 360 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:44,279 going to invent one right off the bat so it's going to be hashtag W live W live I 361 00:26:41,559 --> 00:26:47,960 thought it was wow live sure hash wow live go ahead and include that hashtag 362 00:26:46,559 --> 00:26:52,320 with your Tweet and we're going to be going through them and finding some good 363 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:56,279 questions for JJ but in the meantime I'm going to kick things off I'm going to go 364 00:26:54,240 --> 00:27:04,480 okay look z97 um it's no gigantic secret that not 365 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:09,520 a whole lot changed on the Intel side of things so why don't you give us like a 366 00:27:06,559 --> 00:27:16,120 top three reasons why maybe users shouldn't necessarily upgrade from Z87 367 00:27:12,679 --> 00:27:17,880 outright but for people upgrading to LGA 368 00:27:16,120 --> 00:27:22,919 1150 why would they spend an extra couple bucks for z97 versus 369 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:26,600 Z87 yeah that's you know that's a really good that's a really good question um 370 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:31,679 and I think it's kind of a tricky uh question to answer because I think both 371 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:33,120 me and you have um I'd say like a 372 00:27:31,679 --> 00:27:38,000 different I guess approach than most people because since we see Hardware 373 00:27:35,120 --> 00:27:41,360 every single generation right we kind of might think of it from the bleeding edge 374 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:44,519 where we're going to upgrade from one platform to the next but a lot of users 375 00:27:43,159 --> 00:27:48,080 like you said are necessarily sometimes coming over from a platform from two 376 00:27:46,399 --> 00:27:52,399 three four five years ago I mean we got people that are still coming over from 377 00:27:49,559 --> 00:27:56,399 p45 or x58 or different chipsets but um right um I think for this generation you 378 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:59,840 know our goal we always try to look at kind of two different perspectives of 379 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:03,600 development know chipset develop and then board level development so every 380 00:28:02,120 --> 00:28:06,320 generation I think we try to put in the effort to put in new functions and 381 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:12,399 features that are going to make things interesting uh and improve for the users's experience so I think three 382 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:15,559 things um I'm a big fan once again of everything that we did on the autotuning 383 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:19,320 side for the motherboards I think that the new customization uh abilities that 384 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:22,320 we have for this generation are pretty nuts as far as the granularity and 385 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:27,080 control that you have for dynamic Real Time auto overclocking um I'm really I'm 386 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:30,440 really digging a lot of the new stuff that we did on the audio implementation 387 00:28:28,559 --> 00:28:34,200 to extend you know the previous designs that we had and then I think kind of 388 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:39,039 just total experience you know I think most of us when we go about building a 389 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:40,919 system um we kind of think of building 390 00:28:39,039 --> 00:28:44,600 the system in a lot of different ways sometimes it's the Simplicity of just 391 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:47,320 how smoothly something might work or how kind of something you didn't realize in 392 00:28:45,679 --> 00:28:51,200 terms of just enabling like this generation you know for us it's easy to 393 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:55,240 enable XMP but you know we still see based off of Market survey data that you 394 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:59,519 know 50% of users never enable XMP on a motherboard um right so just having a 395 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:03,519 physical switch on the motherboard that now a user can just you know flip into 396 00:29:01,279 --> 00:29:06,840 the on position you know while to me it's something that I would never use in 397 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:10,080 terms of having value for we definitely know that there's users out there that 398 00:29:08,159 --> 00:29:13,960 would go wow that just makes sense and I can just do that and that gives me um 399 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:17,120 you know exactly what I'm using for because that's what I paid for in terms 400 00:29:15,279 --> 00:29:21,640 of the memory that I bought so I have a question for you about the physical XMP 401 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:27,000 switch is that something that the system integrators were asking for as well no 402 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:30,679 um actually no we didn't get any of that feedback from the system great that was 403 00:29:28,799 --> 00:29:34,600 really based purely on the perspective of trying to find a more simplified 404 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:39,000 solution if you remember last generation you know we put in that easy OneTouch 405 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:42,120 ufi option for the XMP function right and so this was just kind of the 406 00:29:40,039 --> 00:29:46,039 evolution of that of trying to give you um you know a very easy way to do it not 407 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:50,760 only within the ufi but a really easy way of doing it on the physical Hardware 408 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:56,120 level so the next implementation will be like um a a giant red button this big 409 00:29:53,720 --> 00:30:00,799 with like a flashing LED behind it push this yeah do this push this if you have 410 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:04,320 memory I think the next option is you know we're working on like on a micro 411 00:30:02,279 --> 00:30:07,720 automaton a little you know guy that will come inside the box and he'll ask 412 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:10,799 you questions do you need help and he'll just do it for you exactly he'll just 413 00:30:09,279 --> 00:30:13,799 kind of you know come on like your own personal Golem and then he'll go into 414 00:30:12,559 --> 00:30:18,360 your system and he'll just enable everything for you you won't do anything he'll just you just tell him I want to 415 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:23,480 do this and this and this and he'll automatically do it for you can you create different skins for it so there 416 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:28,159 can be like there can be like the like the Cortana like you know digital girl 417 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:34,080 and then there can be like the uh like you remember uh mad mod Mike that NVIDIA 418 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:38,360 um brand asset that was like the guy with like a huge backpack and like 419 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:44,080 screwdrivers and stuff and then I think like a bonus one for someone who buys 420 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:46,159 all the ASUS components possible so only 421 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:53,120 people who have an ASUS like motherboard graphics card you like a keyboard mouse 422 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:54,919 sound card and then it unlocks like a JJ 423 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:58,919 Avatar yeah that would be pretty awesome you 424 00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:02,600 know actually it's funny you talk about that we're um we're going to be 425 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:09,240 hopefully doing in a little bit sometime this quarter we're going to be releasing these like really cool limited edition 426 00:31:06,519 --> 00:31:13,880 um really highly articulated small Rog robots um so for like our Die Hard 427 00:31:11,639 --> 00:31:16,240 enthusiasts that really love you know R Hardware and ASUS Hardware they're going 428 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:20,639 to have the opportunity to be able to pick up these really limited edition 429 00:31:18,159 --> 00:31:22,880 High detail based figures so um you know I think that's all just part of the 430 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:28,039 experience right you know all of us as Builders we love dealing with hardware and anything that just makes things 431 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:32,880 interesting and more engaging and adds experience is always 432 00:31:29,399 --> 00:31:34,639 cool all right so why don't I start with 433 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:39,440 uh a first question from someone on The Forum that actually um reached out to me 434 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:43,880 very politely and said look I'm sorry I can't tune into the show live but I 435 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:50,080 really want to know the answer to this why did you guys go for an expansion 436 00:31:47,039 --> 00:31:51,600 card versus building Thunderbolt into 437 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:54,320 the motherboards that you thought it made sense for I mean one of the things 438 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:58,399 that you and I have talked about extensively is the way that ASUS tries 439 00:31:56,679 --> 00:32:03,440 to build a motherboard according to how they think that user is 440 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:09,880 going to use it down to everything from whether to use just you know um 441 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:12,960 integrated Intel uh SATA connectors to 442 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:15,480 implementing a particular brand even of 443 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:19,279 extra SATA connectors so why didn't you guys go for something like the Ws it was 444 00:32:17,639 --> 00:32:22,760 the one real criticism I had of that board why didn't you go okay look this 445 00:32:21,039 --> 00:32:26,960 is a workstation board it should have Thunderbolt on it right off the bat yeah 446 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:30,679 yeah no you make a really good point and that was a really hard decision to make 447 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:33,440 you know for us um Thunderbolt is still continuing to be kind of an emerging 448 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:36,880 technology that we're seeing get utilized and we're heavily involved you 449 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:41,159 know I myself I actually went to two Thunderbolt plugfest this generation and 450 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:44,440 we worked with I think over 160 vendors that are making all kinds of Thunderbolt 451 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:47,399 accessories so we definitely still still value in it I mean uh compared to any 452 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:50,760 other vendor no other vendor has more Thunderbolt Solutions than us and I 453 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:55,039 think it just came down to a question of resource uh layout consideration and 454 00:32:53,519 --> 00:32:57,840 cost um you know while there's definitely going to be a segmentation 455 00:32:56,559 --> 00:33:03,200 even within that content creation Community like you talk about for a WS model that would see value on 456 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:06,519 Thunderbolt the majority of those users as a whole are not going to be utilizing 457 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:09,720 Thunderbolt they will be utilizing your classic interconnects whether they're 458 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:13,880 going to be USB um or whether it's going to be actually even gigabit based 459 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:17,360 connectivity on a local based Network um so in that situation I think we saw the 460 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:20,600 value of let's still give them that ability to be able to have Thunderbolt 461 00:33:18,919 --> 00:33:23,919 right um on the boards but not necessarily have to have them to pay the 462 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:27,279 premium because when you do look at the cost the bomb cost so the bill and 463 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:32,080 material cost on Thunderbolt it is probably with in uh the top three most 464 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:35,480 expensive hardware specs to put on a motherboard so it's not like a small 465 00:33:34,159 --> 00:33:40,799 add-on cost sometimes there are some stuff that it's a really marginal cost to implement on the board um so it's a 466 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:44,480 pry pretty big increase in terms of impacting the MSRP so the the final 467 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:49,320 retail price of the motherboard plus there is physical spa space layout 468 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:50,720 considerations so um this generation WS 469 00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:54,720 actually we did incorporate the same type of isolated audio design that we 470 00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:58,360 had started to implement on the Rog Series so that kind of implementation 471 00:33:56,799 --> 00:34:01,840 balancing all that thing in terms of space and real estate and everything 472 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:06,039 else out it was just kind of a managed kind of uh implementation where we said 473 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:08,919 okay um you know probably makes sense but we still have to balance everything 474 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:13,399 out and even little things like you wouldn't keep in mind like the U the 475 00:34:10,879 --> 00:34:18,200 Thunderbolt board still has 1394 so it's our only active z97 skew that actually 476 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:20,879 has 1394 I did notice that because we still actually have users in that 477 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:24,000 content creation Community they've made really big investment for firewire and 478 00:34:22,839 --> 00:34:28,679 actually the usage model is still actually a little bit higher than Thunderbolt we probably see that by the 479 00:34:26,879 --> 00:34:33,839 end of this year finally eclipsing the Thunderbolt will even be higher than the 480 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:35,440 existing base of for 1394 but that 1394 481 00:34:33,839 --> 00:34:39,000 chip takes up space right so if we probably maybe would have taken that out 482 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:42,320 could have probably maybe offset it so it just literally comes down to a 483 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:45,800 balance Factor you know we'd love to put everything that we could on there um but 484 00:34:44,079 --> 00:34:51,119 that's kind of the best compromise but the cool thing about it is you know Thunderbolt across what like 16 SKS and 485 00:34:49,879 --> 00:34:56,760 all you got to do is just drop in the card right all right I can see why you made 486 00:34:54,520 --> 00:35:00,960 the compromise now here's something that I wish everyone would quit compromising 487 00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:06,119 on and and you can go you could like let's call this like off the Record your 488 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:08,400 opinion um I will do my best looking 489 00:35:06,119 --> 00:35:12,640 into the crystal ball when are we going to finally see 10 gab Ethernet I've seen 490 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:18,760 some of the guys in twitch chat talking about 10 gig because I right now no one 491 00:35:16,240 --> 00:35:24,280 seems to be willing to just do this and make it a consumer technology I think 492 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:26,240 Netgear has like one eight Port switch 493 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:33,599 on New Egg that's still hundreds of dollars and you can buy Nick cards for 494 00:35:29,839 --> 00:35:35,800 in the $200 to $300 range um the cabling 495 00:35:33,599 --> 00:35:40,480 itself has caught up at this point so you can get cat 6A cable for a 496 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:42,240 reasonable price how much legitimately 497 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:45,680 like if you had to just guess and you can tell me the number is probably wrong 498 00:35:43,839 --> 00:35:51,240 you can disclaim it this number is wrong but if I um how much would a 10 gigabit 499 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:55,240 implementation on a motherboard cost and and what's the problem right now why 500 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:58,920 can't we do it um it really comes down to just it really it's a cost factor 501 00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:02,560 it's totally possible we could entirely Do It um and you know while there are 502 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:05,680 stuff that I can't talk about as far as on the current chipset portfolio you can 503 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:10,480 imagine that there's things coming down the pipeline later on where that could be a possibility of something that you 504 00:36:08,599 --> 00:36:15,240 would want be incorporated so we are evaluating looking at 10 gig uh e 505 00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:18,440 Solutions on based platforms but more probably in the server and workstation 506 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:23,400 demographic than we would see in the traditional kind of like z97 so the 507 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:26,359 performance kind of Market space um but from a cost standpoint you're talking 508 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:30,280 that you could easily take a motherboard that might let's say tradition be let's 509 00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:34,640 say like a $250 motherboard $300 motherboard so that's a a relatively 510 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:40,800 high-end Enthusiast c97 based board and you could add an MSRP of Beyond $200 to 511 00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:44,319 be able to add 10 gig e so that's that's a huge cost increase to the consumer you 512 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:50,640 know I'm sure like foreign people would go this is crazy $200 more right um of 513 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:54,599 course for the users that know the benefit of what they would be able to do 514 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:56,960 in leveraging a 10 gig e solution they would they would appreciate that and 515 00:36:55,800 --> 00:37:02,200 they would also look at the cost of going hey maybe an add-in card is at 516 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:07,560 least maybe 350 bucks so having to pay $200 and having it integrated I'm ready 517 00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:10,000 to do that um but we we're looking at it actually I think in a more complete 518 00:37:08,720 --> 00:37:13,640 rollout strategy you know we're evaluating actually 10 gig not just for 519 00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:17,040 our motherboards but also for our entire networking division um so definitely 520 00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:22,640 stay tuned you know you're going to see more of that coming down the pipeline from us um but you know it it really 521 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:26,400 just comes down to cost if users say hey we're willing to take on the cost then 522 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:30,160 we can do it this same stuff even rolls into like a mini ITX for like really 523 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:34,680 highend we've done some really crazy interesting designs for x79 and trying 524 00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:38,319 to do a Ultra small form factor x79 miniitx and I'm not going to say it's 525 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:42,160 impossible because we've made some really interesting design choices to be 526 00:37:40,599 --> 00:37:45,400 able to do something like that and then I have people tell me oh we'll do it but 527 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:49,720 then there's always that difference between what's the real Market reality 528 00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:54,480 and what's the niche reality of people saying oh we'll buy this right um yeah 529 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:58,200 because you know for us to kick off a board you know you're at least talking 530 00:37:56,160 --> 00:38:02,440 six to eight months development time a high amount of R&D cost bandwidth and 531 00:38:00,079 --> 00:38:05,520 resource and stuff like that and so I could probably make it I could make an 532 00:38:03,720 --> 00:38:08,240 x79 miniitx it could be really interesting as far as the way it' work 533 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:14,079 but would you really be willing to pay you know $450 $500 for that 534 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:16,400 Port ah and that that would be a tough 535 00:38:14,079 --> 00:38:22,000 pill to swallow I mean I could see an x79 ITX board being worth a small 536 00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:25,119 premium you know maybe 250 bucks 275 537 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:26,839 bucks for you know like let's let's call 538 00:38:25,119 --> 00:38:33,640 it like a deluxe class board you know something pretty equivalent to you know 539 00:38:29,359 --> 00:38:35,839 a z97 or Z87 ITX board but if you 540 00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:38,920 started to tell me it's $400 $500 that's a really tough pill to swallow 541 00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:44,760 especially when you factor in that you're going to need some other pretty specialized Hardware to even build that 542 00:38:42,319 --> 00:38:48,920 rig um you know you're going to want Silverstone is I think the only one that 543 00:38:46,599 --> 00:38:54,560 I'm aware of with an 80 plus gold power supply that's a 450 watt unit that's a 544 00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:56,599 an sfx power supply so this is this is a 545 00:38:54,560 --> 00:39:00,359 very special machine at this point and you think about like how many times guys 546 00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:05,480 viewers think about how many times on a forum you've seen a machine that special 547 00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:09,599 how many times you seen that power supply yeah and I I think the other 548 00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:12,960 thing too is you know I mean we're okay making those type of advancements I mean 549 00:39:11,359 --> 00:39:16,359 if you look at our history we're not necessarily afraid to Buck the trend and 550 00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:21,000 sometimes put on these really specialized technologies that roll out 551 00:39:18,359 --> 00:39:23,760 over time to other products over time um you know because we have users that 552 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:29,079 realize that and that's part of the community one of the really cool things about the pcdiy community is in itself 553 00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:33,599 that people will embrace the technology they'll pay a premium and while not 554 00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:37,200 everybody benefits from it right away actually that's the really cool thing is 555 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:40,280 that as products scale over time you know those that initial investment 556 00:39:38,720 --> 00:39:43,800 actually does scale out to more products over time um you know so as long as you 557 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:47,200 can get enough of those people to be supportive of that then you can see 558 00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:51,760 really cool and Innovative product like that it just depends D we really have enough people for these type of 559 00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:56,839 Solutions in the same way I get every day I get people asking me I want high 560 00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:59,480 performance am3 Mini ITX right yeah so 561 00:39:56,839 --> 00:40:04,000 stuff like that yeah okay now leading into investing in the future and it 562 00:40:02,079 --> 00:40:07,720 paying off for everyone I think this is a great discussion topic and I don't 563 00:40:05,720 --> 00:40:14,280 worry JJ I'll let you talk about z97 at some point oh no worries man let's talk 564 00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:16,079 pg278q Rog Swift you had to do it right 565 00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:19,920 you had you just had to ask about it right yeah but but I got more oh it gets 566 00:40:18,240 --> 00:40:25,079 more complicated than that because I'm G to also throw at you the Acer 567 00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:27,319 announcement today of their 4k g-sync 568 00:40:25,079 --> 00:40:32,240 monitor and then I'm going to throw throw this at you again and I'm going to 569 00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:35,280 go is this is this all just irrelevant 570 00:40:32,240 --> 00:40:37,319 with the vesa 1.2a standard coming out 571 00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:42,920 supporting AMD's free sync or active sync like is gsync even relevant anymore 572 00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:46,079 what do you again real thoughts what like what do you think don't you don't 573 00:40:44,359 --> 00:40:49,760 even have to give a concrete answer here yeah so you make a lot of really good 574 00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:54,400 points so I think first of off if we just tackle um the first point in terms 575 00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:58,200 of gyn's relevancy it's entirely relevant the first and foremost reason 576 00:40:56,119 --> 00:41:01,760 is because um while you haven't seen physical MP product it's already a 577 00:41:00,240 --> 00:41:05,560 technology that's proven it's in integrator Solutions right now they're 578 00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:08,920 working on it and they're finalizing the products to come to the market um so 579 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:13,400 this is a big difference than let's just say something a ratified specification 580 00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:17,760 or ratified standard um that's coming into its play and then still has to be 581 00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:21,800 actually proven in real design and implementation um so I see regardless of 582 00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:26,319 whether something is a physical implementation um or a firmware layer 583 00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:29,839 specification um or something that occures on a much minor level that's 584 00:41:28,119 --> 00:41:33,720 purely on a software basis these all those things have to be proven in the 585 00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:37,160 real world and I can tell you the the the learning curve just alone for our 586 00:41:35,079 --> 00:41:42,079 mod development team along with NVIDIA at actually taking what they thought was 587 00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:46,280 a monitor kind of driving uh circuit board um you know and then having to 588 00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:50,359 approach that in the real world were two entirely different things you know we had to consider things that NVIDIA 589 00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:54,000 hadn't factored in like color calibration profile support which is 590 00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:57,319 normally part of let's say the the the electronics package in a monitor but we 591 00:41:55,960 --> 00:42:01,640 had to work with their team to be a bble to actually integrate the ability to have color controls because that wasn't 592 00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:06,599 something that was inherently part of the fpga package because nid was 593 00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:12,240 thinking from a different perspective so so they went gaming they went it's funny 594 00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:13,880 because NVIDIA sometimes gets criticized 595 00:42:12,240 --> 00:42:17,880 for being you know oh you guys are completely focused on grid or you're 596 00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:20,800 completely focused on mobile but then they go and they bring something like 597 00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:25,319 g-sync to Market and they literally haven't even thought about it Beyond 598 00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:28,119 yeah gaming yeah and I mean that's that's you know the reality of every 599 00:42:26,559 --> 00:42:32,200 company I mean sometimes you run up against um you know experience and you 600 00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:36,920 know just your internal kind of perspective right and that's where it's a balance that they've worked with us to 601 00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:40,040 leverage our experience and monitor design and we're leveraging their 602 00:42:38,359 --> 00:42:43,720 experience at that IC based design in that package right uh for what they're 603 00:42:41,720 --> 00:42:47,040 doing there so I think that still in that um aspect there's still a lot of 604 00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:51,319 logic and there's a lot of other things that NVIDIA is doing within the um fpga 605 00:42:49,839 --> 00:42:54,520 and the overall IP that developing behind gsync that in the long term not 606 00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:58,359 just right now but what you're going to be able to do over time with it um 607 00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:02,640 actually continues to paint the purpose of having a specialized IC now I love 608 00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:06,680 the aspect and ASUS says you know we're not um we're not biased to any vendor 609 00:43:05,079 --> 00:43:10,760 right we produce AMD Solutions we produce NVIDIA we produce Intel chipsets 610 00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:13,640 and we produce AMD chipsets um so from our perspective we want to be able to 611 00:43:12,240 --> 00:43:19,160 give the consumers the most Choice possible right um right so I you know I 612 00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:23,119 I in that perspective right you know what you're seeing with the new uh Visa 613 00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:26,319 update um you're going to have more flexibility to have a more open 614 00:43:24,319 --> 00:43:29,280 ecosystem so that's great as well but I think all of us at the end the end of 615 00:43:27,359 --> 00:43:32,880 the day what we care first and foremost about is how something works even if 616 00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:36,440 it's a proprietary solution if it works really really really really well and 617 00:43:34,599 --> 00:43:40,000 there's no issues with it I'm okay with it being proprietary if it works 618 00:43:38,240 --> 00:43:43,880 outstanding and it doesn't have any bugs and it doesn't have issues and it just 619 00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:47,400 works right I mean that's um that's a proven example of you know you're going 620 00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:50,640 to get a lot of people that um they say hey we wish you gave more Linux support 621 00:43:49,319 --> 00:43:56,119 well it's really hard to have Linux support from a chipset development when you have 20 different dros that all have 622 00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:59,400 their different kernels and uh they all have to be compiled different right when 623 00:43:58,079 --> 00:44:03,520 you then tell the chipset company hey you can design a driver for Windows and 624 00:44:01,119 --> 00:44:07,599 it's just one platform right so it's very much kind of that same thing 625 00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:11,599 there's a lot of things to consider in that so I think g-sync is still relevant 626 00:44:10,240 --> 00:44:15,319 I still think we're going to totally Embrace and look at how we can 627 00:44:13,240 --> 00:44:19,640 incorporate the updated V supc in monitors over time um and then from 628 00:44:17,599 --> 00:44:23,559 there you know the 4K proposition as far as that goes into it I think everybody's 629 00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:27,440 interested to continue to see U just improved gaming U performance on all 630 00:44:26,079 --> 00:44:30,680 types of monitors regardless whether it's 4K whether it's going to be new TNN 631 00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:36,640 whether it's going to be IPS I don't think it matters I think everybody just wants to continue to see um improved and 632 00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:40,800 evolved monitor type designs so I give kudos hey uh you know Acer's done an 633 00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:44,800 interesting design there with the 4K uh I think for us still as you guys know uh 634 00:44:43,079 --> 00:44:47,880 4K is a really interesting technology I mean we're launching our right now our 635 00:44:46,319 --> 00:44:52,280 our brand new PB monitor that's going to be really price impressive I know I have 636 00:44:49,720 --> 00:44:56,640 one um there you go right so you know we're all behind that um but you know to 637 00:44:55,079 --> 00:45:00,480 every single one of these right when you factor in a monitor there's so much more 638 00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:03,880 to consider than just a monitor right it's you know the games that you're 639 00:45:01,839 --> 00:45:06,800 playing it's the gpus that you're going to be running in the system um so 640 00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:12,599 there's a lot of different perspectives so for there's not going to be ever one monitor that rules them all I think in 641 00:45:10,559 --> 00:45:16,640 that perspective right you can maybe get close maybe we could get pretty close to 642 00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:19,400 having some right specs to stuff but a lot of this is driven by so many 643 00:45:17,839 --> 00:45:25,000 different things so for us we're going to continue to embrace I think all the Technologies on the market and uh listen 644 00:45:22,559 --> 00:45:31,640 to you guys at what you guys want all right now I have another question from 645 00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:35,599 Omid now given that Intel didn't change 646 00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:38,440 much going from Z87 to z97 and I I think 647 00:45:35,599 --> 00:45:43,040 we you'd be hard pressed to to find like you know a massive change log from the 648 00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:47,520 ASUS side um given that it wasn't really necessary why are some reviewers finding 649 00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:53,760 they're getting better overclocking results and better temps on z97 on the 650 00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:55,800 same Haswell chips um you know part of 651 00:45:53,760 --> 00:46:00,319 this is sometimes actually time differential uh there's changes in the 652 00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:02,440 overall what's called Mei um it's really interesting we're seeing some of this 653 00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:08,839 some of this stuff we're asking reviewers to go back and evaluate because in our internal analysis it's 654 00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:11,559 pretty much actually par um par for par but there are some technical 655 00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:15,240 implementations that sometimes actually reviewers don't fully evaluate uh one of 656 00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:22,400 the really things that's interesting with the the fivr so that integrated voltage regulator and then what's called 657 00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:24,079 your VCC uh in as far as voltage is is 658 00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:28,880 that the voltage that you see defined within something like CPU uh CPU Z is 659 00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:32,119 not actually your real necessarily voltage that's the voltage that's 660 00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:37,440 actually being communicated by the Fiverr but the voltage or the VCC input 661 00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:40,960 can actually be lower than that voltage and then based on efficiency you can 662 00:46:38,720 --> 00:46:45,000 have a different measurement so two boards could actually be effectively 663 00:46:42,599 --> 00:46:48,480 giving you the same voltage but can achieve it in different ways if let's 664 00:46:46,359 --> 00:46:53,319 say one has a lower VCC in and one has a higher VCC in um so that can account 665 00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:56,920 actually for temperature differential um the other thing is that over time if 666 00:46:55,240 --> 00:47:00,359 let's say they first tested some boards like six months ago and then new tuning 667 00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:04,280 has come out where they make optimizations to actually load policies 668 00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:07,119 and they make changes to actually different parts of the UEFI that change 669 00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:12,079 different actually conditioning parameters whether it's the vrm efficiency or different primary paramet 670 00:47:10,359 --> 00:47:16,720 all those things can sometimes offset a little bit of numbers um but I can tell 671 00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:20,160 you from our internal analysis overall users should generally if you take a 672 00:47:18,599 --> 00:47:25,680 4770k 4670k um between a Z87 platform and then 673 00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:29,200 a z97 platform the actual OC experience is pretty much linear it's it's it's the 674 00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:31,960 same you're not getting a diminished experience and you're not getting 675 00:47:30,319 --> 00:47:36,920 actually a better experience it's the same clocking experience for our boards 676 00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:40,400 we do have a revised dram topology so Dam topology scaling is even a little 677 00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:44,079 bit better so you can even get higher but to real world users it's not really 678 00:47:42,319 --> 00:47:47,960 relevant because most users you know are maybe going up to 2132 2400 so 679 00:47:46,599 --> 00:47:52,200 regardless that we can do higher memory dividers um it doesn't really impact the 680 00:47:49,839 --> 00:47:56,000 real user um so most of this really just comes down to difference in sometimes 681 00:47:53,559 --> 00:48:00,760 the underlying code base changes in let's say uh vol rules and policies that 682 00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:04,440 sometimes the viewers aren't always as let's say always understanding of or not 683 00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:09,240 maybe fully accounting for because they might be looking for just one numerical 684 00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:14,680 value versus another numerical value yeah all right so I've got another one 685 00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:18,920 for you I guess along the lines of of Z87 to z97 changes again because I did 686 00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:24,839 promise I'd give you an opportunity to uh to cover that with us here is what 687 00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:27,760 are the biggest changes between or the 688 00:48:24,839 --> 00:48:31,440 biggest differences that you guys have have aimed to deliver here with the z97 689 00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:37,040 boards whether it's compared to what the competition's doing and you don't have to name any names or whether it's 690 00:48:34,319 --> 00:48:41,359 compared to the last generation Z87 implementations um well you know for us 691 00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:43,760 I mean you know we try to we're always in the game of pushing the envelope 692 00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:48,040 right we're always going to try to look at what the experience is and can we 693 00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:51,440 make those experiences better regardless of what it is um you know I think 694 00:48:50,079 --> 00:48:55,119 probably the biggest ones that we did that they they might seem small but when 695 00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:57,920 you really kind of look at them in the bigger picture they were really hard to 696 00:48:56,400 --> 00:49:00,960 implement but they really give a whole another level of experience um are going 697 00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:04,680 to be really in the autotuning Technologies in the sound and with the 698 00:49:03,079 --> 00:49:07,839 fan controls but I mean there's been improvements to every single aspect but 699 00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:12,440 you know the fan control stuff is pretty awesome right the last previous generations we'd always talked about 700 00:49:10,559 --> 00:49:15,520 having that full fan header control for every single header you know three pin 701 00:49:13,720 --> 00:49:19,200 and four pin support but this year having the ability to go to every single 702 00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:24,040 header and manually define whether it's a PC uh pwm or DC based control is 703 00:49:22,720 --> 00:49:29,440 awesome because now that gives you the ability that if you want to put twwm Splitters on there you want to get like 704 00:49:27,079 --> 00:49:32,720 a source 530 and have those three front intake fans all be regulated by one 705 00:49:31,240 --> 00:49:37,160 chassis fan header all in the same signal bam power those fans from the PSU 706 00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:42,680 get them all tuned with the same actual fan curve and you're rocking and rolling right that's sweet because it just adds 707 00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:46,640 a whole another layer of granularity control how you set up your airf flow 708 00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:51,559 and you set up your experience and you know what's funny is the thing that uh 709 00:49:49,079 --> 00:49:54,920 the thing that really blew me away is about the new fan control is one that 710 00:49:53,160 --> 00:50:00,960 you didn't even mention and that's the fact that it's within the UEFI now and I 711 00:49:57,240 --> 00:50:04,400 canine all those curves in basic I click 712 00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:06,119 one thing and I go y Header by header 713 00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:10,920 here's the curve I want I want it on a predefined curve I want to do my own 714 00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:13,319 manual curve because you again real talk 715 00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:17,799 time this is a w show we're casual I don't really like AI Suite very much it 716 00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:22,319 it is it is a has been a big problem for me at various times throughout its 717 00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:27,079 history and while I haven't tried it in the last probably 3 to six 718 00:50:24,319 --> 00:50:31,839 months I I've tried it fairly recently enough that I just am not a huge fan 719 00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:36,079 whereas ufi implementation of something like that wow what a godsend because now 720 00:50:34,559 --> 00:50:41,079 I can really take advantage of that feature in a way that is bulletproof and 721 00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:44,440 this one thing to not shoot at AI Suite despite I don't use it either um is that 722 00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:49,440 getting away from the software implementation is just nice anyways because if you reformat your computer 723 00:50:47,599 --> 00:50:52,680 change AO drive or do whatever that's less that you have to think about when 724 00:50:50,839 --> 00:50:55,680 you're setting everything back up again yeah yeah I think that that applies more 725 00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:58,720 to you guys as reviewers right most users you know you they talk about 726 00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:02,280 actually how long they can try to keep rolling over their OS you see so many 727 00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:06,200 people take osses from one chipset to another chipset and they don't ever even 728 00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:08,960 reinstall um you know but I guess that'll be my challenge just to win you 729 00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:13,720 over because you know that's one thing that we work really hard on is the software suite but you know that's that 730 00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:17,240 is a good example um you know we had to work really hard on actually putting in 731 00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:21,319 that full graphical fan turve the calibration and all that stuff and 732 00:51:19,079 --> 00:51:24,920 literally it's redundant we we spent time and effort to do something that we 733 00:51:22,559 --> 00:51:29,000 had already done two years before but we did it just to be able to give more of 734 00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:32,680 our base of users more accessibility so whether it's guys that for whatever 735 00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:36,160 reason don't want to embrace the software well then we can give it to you 736 00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:39,960 in another direction and you can still get that same experience um and then you 737 00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:43,520 added on you know rounding that all out giving you the temperature input control 738 00:51:41,720 --> 00:51:47,359 per header I mean that's awesome right that you can go in and say hey my front 739 00:51:45,240 --> 00:51:51,520 intake fan should not have to respond to my CPU right why can't that respond to 740 00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:57,119 my motherboard why can't that respond to my PCH why can't that respond to another 741 00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:58,520 temperature input um so you know and and 742 00:51:57,119 --> 00:52:03,480 I think the biggest part you know is a lot of time we get pigeon held as being the premium vendor the more expensive 743 00:52:01,720 --> 00:52:08,720 vendor look at the z97a again there is not a better value 744 00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:13,040 proposition board in my opinion $140 motherboard that has that class of fan 745 00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:16,000 controls you know I don't want to you know bring competitors into it you know 746 00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:21,599 guys you go you know me long enough I'm not that kind of guy that I bash on you 747 00:52:18,079 --> 00:52:25,160 know the other guys but Gigabyte ASRock 748 00:52:21,599 --> 00:52:27,760 MSI none of them but everyone everyone 749 00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:31,599 else none of them I'm just combo punch the entire team right now their highest 750 00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:35,640 and motherboard doesn't have that fan control that I have on $140 motherboard 751 00:52:33,799 --> 00:52:38,559 when you talk about value I don't know how much it gets better than that from a 752 00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:42,599 value proposition you know what the funny thing about you saying that is I I 753 00:52:40,720 --> 00:52:45,799 can imagine already I mean there's a delay on the twitch stream but I can 754 00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:50,799 already imagine what's going to happen in about 20 seconds uh where people are 755 00:52:48,839 --> 00:52:54,280 going to say oh I don't care about that fan control that doesn't have a value 756 00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:59,559 for me I don't really care I like all my fans running at 100% or whatever else 757 00:52:56,599 --> 00:53:04,559 but my response to that is you know what there are some people who care a whole 758 00:53:01,720 --> 00:53:11,839 lot about that and two of them sitting in this room have spent over 759 00:53:08,119 --> 00:53:13,960 $150 on a software fan controller that 760 00:53:11,839 --> 00:53:17,280 basically Hardware fan controller sorry Hardware fan controller that we have to 761 00:53:15,799 --> 00:53:22,119 configure through software that's much flakier than AI Suite has ever 762 00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:26,040 been just to get that functionality that you guys are now including on a board 763 00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:31,599 that costs less than what we paid for an mq te balancer so someone out there 764 00:53:29,119 --> 00:53:35,799 appreciates it even if not everybody does and it is a definite value ad even 765 00:53:34,240 --> 00:53:39,359 if it's like possibly the only two people in Canada well no I I mean 766 00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:44,440 there's definitely I mean we know for sure that it's a lot more people than just you guys um you know it's just the 767 00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:47,920 bigger thing is sometimes just edifying people and helping them understand this 768 00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:51,480 and it's hard you know we talked about this last time this is not an easy game 769 00:53:49,839 --> 00:53:54,839 to be in when there's so many features and there's so many functions to be 770 00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:58,240 cognizant and to be aware of but you know we work on it but um you know I 771 00:53:56,799 --> 00:54:03,440 think like I said the fan controls I think the auto tuning stuff is awesome I mean this generation you have the 772 00:54:01,359 --> 00:54:08,200 ability to do Target temperature based overclocking so that if you want to have 773 00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:09,960 the overclock be limited to 70c or 80c 774 00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:13,359 and it it's only going to do it to that you know having it be frequency based 775 00:54:11,839 --> 00:54:17,520 having the app tuning stuff right where you can conditionally profile your 776 00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:20,720 application to a specific overclock and have that dynamically adjust things like 777 00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:24,079 Network prioritization or audio stuff I mean I think crazy stuff if you start to 778 00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:28,480 really evaluate some of these fun functions and features it's kind of crazy that you're getting this level of 779 00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:32,280 control and and while you guys might not be using the software to make this end 780 00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:35,400 user available the power and class of this functionality I don't think people 781 00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:39,319 thought you know especially three years ago four years ago every year people say 782 00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:42,480 yeah there's not more that you can do it's it's it's all over there's no more 783 00:54:41,119 --> 00:54:47,799 there's no more Innovation that can be done and then you do stuff like this and people go how come this hasn't been on a 784 00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:52,280 motherboard for the last five years right um so and the funny thing is even 785 00:54:50,079 --> 00:54:55,720 I find myself doing it sometimes where I'll be I'll be using all the latest 786 00:54:53,880 --> 00:55:00,640 stuff because that's what I generally use um and then well no really though 787 00:54:58,720 --> 00:55:05,760 because I because when we're whenever we're evaluating something we don't 788 00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:07,200 Benchmark whatever is 5 years old before 789 00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:12,200 yeah but it doesn't happen very often but that's exactly it is I'll be I'll be 790 00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:18,680 using all this latest stuff and then the other day I was putting together a 791 00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:21,520 pfSense box and I I dug I dug an h55 792 00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:25,520 board out of a box somewhere and I was like oh yeah it's got like a dual core 793 00:55:23,240 --> 00:55:28,680 so it's relatively low you know power consumption or whatever also relatively 794 00:55:27,119 --> 00:55:34,280 low performance so I don't mind tying it up in that box just to try it out and I 795 00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:40,599 was blown away by just all the crap it didn't have even though I didn't feel 796 00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:41,920 like between between age 55 and now I 797 00:55:40,599 --> 00:55:45,920 didn't really feel like there was any kind of huge generational Improvement in 798 00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:48,920 features I was just like oh this thing like doesn't have anything it doesn't 799 00:55:47,119 --> 00:55:53,200 have like onboard buttons it doesn't have like going back to those like 800 00:55:51,119 --> 00:55:58,720 classic old school blue screen Phoenix BIOS setups I know it's like oh wow yeah 801 00:55:55,880 --> 00:56:01,160 this is been a while actually and that's actually it's perfect that you bring 802 00:56:00,039 --> 00:56:06,440 that up because that's you know highlighting back to your I think your very first question right or maybe like 803 00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:09,520 your second one about people upgrading this is where I think it's sometimes 804 00:56:07,559 --> 00:56:13,640 hard as you guys reviewers is that the value proposition sometimes you kind of 805 00:56:11,079 --> 00:56:16,359 go this meh mentality right when a new chipset comes out because you guys are 806 00:56:15,079 --> 00:56:20,960 maybe looking at it right from the previous one but I think that we've done 807 00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:23,920 a whole lot to improve from Z87 to z97 but it is also really important to 808 00:56:22,359 --> 00:56:27,680 remember I mean you guys have a really really great community and so you guys 809 00:56:25,720 --> 00:56:31,520 know about the the systems that these users have but you know imagine somebody 810 00:56:29,799 --> 00:56:36,680 right now coming over from an x58 platform to just like our our Dash a or 811 00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:40,079 our Pro motherboard and everything that they're getting just on the board level 812 00:56:38,799 --> 00:56:44,079 right let's not forget the things that our chipset derive but just on the board 813 00:56:42,039 --> 00:56:47,880 functionality level there's an insane amount of stuff that they totally just 814 00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:53,520 are not even remotely near um coming over from that chipset to this chipset 815 00:56:50,680 --> 00:57:01,720 all right so JJ this is uh this is a question from Lis a moon and I tend to I 816 00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:04,039 tend to agree with him why don't you use 817 00:57:01,720 --> 00:57:08,079 right angle usb3 connectors so if you actually notice we 818 00:57:06,319 --> 00:57:12,760 do use it on the saber toot series and we've actually done it now for I think 819 00:57:09,720 --> 00:57:14,440 three generations um but we don't do it 820 00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:18,400 as a whole because we still see actually chassis compatibility issues um so I 821 00:57:17,119 --> 00:57:23,200 think really the only company that's really kind of gun ho about it is EVGA 822 00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:27,359 um and we've we've like I said we just don't do it because we still see enough 823 00:57:25,119 --> 00:57:31,319 issues with that there are some chassis where the actual space if you were to 824 00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:35,720 right angle that cable it actually will obstruct into the hard drive cage so 825 00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:40,400 it's a bit tight in that spacing and as you know that usb3 header it's a fat 826 00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:44,240 blocky header and it's really hard to deal with um in terms of that what we're 827 00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:50,319 actually I think playing around with more is that we're coming we're trying to develop kind of like a usb3 q 828 00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:54,000 connector um so that you could actually put that in and it'll have actually a 829 00:57:52,119 --> 00:57:58,799 flexible cable that you could then run through like your your uh your your 830 00:57:56,280 --> 00:58:02,880 routing holes in your chassis the kind of the tricky thing about that is that 831 00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:06,880 there's a actual there's a cost so you actually have to pay a royalty cost 832 00:58:04,799 --> 00:58:11,039 every time you do like a usb3 spec this is why oh jeez this is why a lot of the 833 00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:15,640 chassis if you notice there's like a really big drop off between entrylevel 834 00:58:13,119 --> 00:58:19,440 chassis having front USB 3 and then all of them having USB 2 right and you saw 835 00:58:18,119 --> 00:58:22,319 like this weird area where there was like stuff from NZXT or Cooler Master 836 00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:27,880 these other ones where they only have like one us one one front USB 3 yeah 837 00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:32,280 that's because because the cost so it Char they charge you for this usb3 838 00:58:29,599 --> 00:58:34,920 header so um you know we're we're looking at trying to do that but then we 839 00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:38,280 would have to pay the cost for putting the adapter and and do all that stuff 840 00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:44,640 but um that's really what it comes down to is it's literally right now that if 841 00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:46,799 we saw more chassis now the argument 842 00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:50,640 could be said well you know if if we do it maybe on higher ards maybe like Pro 843 00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:54,200 and above it's probably going to go into a chassis where there's more than enough 844 00:58:52,079 --> 00:58:58,119 space between where the board sits and where the hard drive Cas are the hard 845 00:58:55,720 --> 00:59:02,359 drive count on that right yeah but that's the hard part right is that we 846 00:58:59,599 --> 00:59:05,240 kind of have to balance that out um so I think for me I'd rather do kind of the Q 847 00:59:04,079 --> 00:59:08,720 connector kind of thing I think people would be okay with that um so I think 848 00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:13,440 that's probably the direction we're moving closer towards than seeing the 849 00:59:11,079 --> 00:59:16,799 the usb3 header actually go right angle and there is also a little bit there is 850 00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:20,920 a little bit of actually signal Integrity issues that when you turn it 851 00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:23,799 actually to the right angle um that you can actually change a little bit of some 852 00:59:22,359 --> 00:59:29,280 of the layout topology and stuff like that and since we don't want to have to go rework the entire board from that 853 00:59:27,119 --> 00:59:33,119 perspective um right you know it makes a little bit more sense to save the work 854 00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:37,559 that we've already done okay so let's talk Devil's Canyon um are we going to 855 00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:42,960 see I mean I already know the answer to this but this is a question from um 856 00:59:40,359 --> 00:59:48,920 Fabian are we going to see Devil's Canyon CPUs work on your z97 boards are 857 00:59:46,559 --> 00:59:54,520 we going to see them work on your Z87 boards so this is a tricky topic um so 858 00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:59,799 I'll I'll give you guys as much information as I can on this point sure 859 00:59:56,599 --> 01:00:03,079 um Intel requires what's called Mei 860 00:59:59,799 --> 01:00:04,880 compliance for certain CPUs so there is 861 01:00:03,079 --> 01:00:08,039 um you guys kind of know the option ROM right the option ROM on a Serial at 862 01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:11,720 controller like on the Intel motherboards right so that's like the 863 01:00:09,799 --> 01:00:14,960 firmware for the SATA controller and sometimes when new chipsets come out 864 01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:18,799 there's actually new Option R right well the same thing when a new chipset comes 865 01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:24,240 out there's new MEI firmware generally corresponding to that CPU so technically 866 01:00:21,319 --> 01:00:28,520 to support the new doubles Canyon CPUs you have to excuse me you have to 867 01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:35,119 running the new MEI firmware so believe it's 9.1 Mei firmware so all z97 868 01:00:31,799 --> 01:00:37,599 motherboards have that but for Z87 869 01:00:35,119 --> 01:00:42,160 they're running on an older Mei firmware so you will actually have to backport 870 01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:46,920 that Mei firmware block to those boards now we've done some internal testing 871 01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:49,799 already um and we have been able to 872 01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:53,400 actually backport this um but as to you know what the time frame may be for us 873 01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:56,640 to formally roll this out or whether we will formally roll that out I can't 874 01:00:55,200 --> 01:01:00,440 state that at this time we're still evaluating because there's also a 875 01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:04,680 concern that um we've talked about this I think last time with AMD where there's 876 01:01:03,319 --> 01:01:10,079 always a little bit of trickiness when you backport new CPUs to an older 877 01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:11,960 chipset and you make the ufi or the BIOS 878 01:01:10,079 --> 01:01:15,640 uh compatible for that you don't want it to break the overall performance or the 879 01:01:14,079 --> 01:01:20,200 interoperability compatibility for the old CPU platform right because we have 880 01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:24,920 to overall favor the majority of people that have the old CPU versus the new CPU 881 01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:28,280 because most users I mean statistically on that old chipset aren't going to 882 01:01:26,119 --> 01:01:31,559 upgrade to a new CPU but they may go out there and they may download that new 883 01:01:32,319 --> 01:01:37,680 UB 4.6 or 4.7 and it maybe brings down 884 01:01:35,799 --> 01:01:40,960 their overhead a little bit because you know there's different codebase and 885 01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:46,760 different that running around in there um we try not to do that so our rule of thumb is we try to keep the performance 886 01:01:44,119 --> 01:01:51,039 for the previous CPU the same or within a 5% margin if it doesn't adhere to that 887 01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:54,599 then it's something that we might not do and then there's also still uh there is 888 01:01:53,039 --> 01:02:00,000 also resource limitations and things like that as you guys know there's another chipset that I can't talk about 889 01:01:57,720 --> 01:02:03,200 but it's coming down later down the pipe so this is all just about a managed 890 01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:07,520 resource but I think our track record has been pretty good in this regard so 891 01:02:05,319 --> 01:02:11,079 um as soon as I have more information on what'll happen specifically for Z87 you 892 01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:15,319 guys will definitely know I will make sure to let you guys know as far as how 893 01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:20,839 that works out um but right now guaranteed 100% support is exclusive to 894 01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:25,319 z97 all right so what I'd like to do is guys we're going to thank everyone for 895 01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:29,240 sending in their Q&A questions for JJ thanks J for answering them but hold on 896 01:02:27,599 --> 01:02:34,359 I'm not quite done with you yet JJ cuz I'd love for you to hang around with us 897 01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:36,880 for one more topic that isn't a Q&A but 898 01:02:34,359 --> 01:02:43,119 this is something that I have personally bitched to you about and uh now I may be 899 01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:46,720 getting my way I'm extremely excited and I would love to hear your thoughts on 900 01:02:45,799 --> 01:02:54,680 the rumor that Intel's upcoming zons 901 01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:59,000 including some pretty crazy like 18 core 902 01:02:54,680 --> 01:03:01,520 skes made be unlocked or even water 903 01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:04,799 cooling optimized which has implications that I'm sure are fairly obvious to you 904 01:03:03,799 --> 01:03:12,760 for enthusiasts and this was posted originally on the Forum by Luca doesn't 905 01:03:08,520 --> 01:03:15,240 look like he wants to answer Luca P so 906 01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:19,599 um let's uh let's oh yeah and the original article was from Hardware 907 01:03:17,039 --> 01:03:23,480 bot.org sounds interesting to me that's about 908 01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:28,880 all I can say oh come on 909 01:03:26,559 --> 01:03:34,599 I wasn't expecting more than that to be honest sounds interesting to me you know 910 01:03:31,599 --> 01:03:36,599 uh um you know but I I will preface this 911 01:03:34,599 --> 01:03:40,000 I will preface this the uh there's always a lot of interesting things that 912 01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:43,799 comes about on the interwebs as you guys know and your guys's forums is a hot bed 913 01:03:42,319 --> 01:03:49,559 for a lot of this stuff circulating around and people discussing it no at 914 01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:52,839 all and um you know some of it is sometimes true and some of it's not true 915 01:03:51,359 --> 01:03:56,839 you know but even around like the upcoming Devil's Canyon there's been a 916 01:03:54,640 --> 01:04:00,200 lot of supposed communication and validation at what people perceived to 917 01:03:58,520 --> 01:04:04,480 be truths that were existing before in the community and they think that all of 918 01:04:01,839 --> 01:04:07,079 a sudden um there's been changes that all of a sudden has somehow aligned with 919 01:04:05,799 --> 01:04:12,760 these truths that they think existed about older CPUs and uh are going to be 920 01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:17,079 um all of a sudden I guess proven true uh for uh the refresh Bas CPUs and you 921 01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:20,799 know all things will come in time as far as you'll see the way things work out um 922 01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:25,319 but you know like like it is all things will come in time right so that didn't 923 01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:29,880 sound like a denial you know I I can't like I said I wish I could say more but 924 01:04:28,039 --> 01:04:33,799 just have to keep have to keep it tuned right you know and I'm sure the moment 925 01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:36,520 that something is confirmed and validated they're gonna find out from 926 01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:42,839 you guys because you guys are great about giving everybody that information all right well I'll tell you 927 01:04:40,319 --> 01:04:46,520 what JJ without you having to confirm or deny anything first of all thank you 928 01:04:45,039 --> 01:04:51,760 very much for coming on the show it was an absolute pleasure to have you on 929 01:04:48,079 --> 01:04:53,760 again and second of all just like okay 930 01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:58,920 just just like the conversation I had with NVIDIA where I was was swapping 931 01:04:56,319 --> 01:05:03,400 emails with my PR contact at like 3 in the morning um where I I sent out of the 932 01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:07,440 blue I'm just like you know Shield two rumors are starting to float around and 933 01:05:05,720 --> 01:05:12,039 you know we're hearing screen resolution this we're hearing that obviously the 934 01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:16,839 CPUs or the GPU whatever you want to call it I could really piss Invidia off 935 01:05:14,359 --> 01:05:22,039 and call it an APU um obviously that's been pretty much 936 01:05:19,079 --> 01:05:26,440 ready for a while so um I sent this email I'm like hey make sure I'm on the 937 01:05:24,039 --> 01:05:31,200 top of the list for a shield to and he's just sent back LOL but that was all the 938 01:05:29,599 --> 01:05:36,760 response I needed I just made it sure he heard me JJ man make sure that if any of 939 01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:41,720 this if any of this Enthusiast grade multicore overclocking unlock stuff 940 01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:46,200 happens whatever board you guys have that is the very best one whether that's 941 01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:49,480 a WS or whatever else please make sure that I'm on the top of the list top of 942 01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:54,799 the list man you guys you guys are always on the top of my list you guys are 943 01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:58,520 great should we all should we all like kind of hug and kiss before we say bye 944 01:05:57,000 --> 01:06:01,960 well we need two I'm not even trying to get one we need two it's all good you 945 01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:06,319 know we we got a healthy Bromance going on it's all right you know I think we're 946 01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:09,480 all comfortable here you got to get us two of those boards if they exist 947 01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:14,279 because he's going to steal one and I need to Benchmark it I don't even care 948 01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:18,400 personally I can I cannot take it home that's fine he's going to take it home 949 01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:22,119 so I need another one for testing you know I will give you one thing uh it's 950 01:06:20,319 --> 01:06:26,319 something I actually I wrote about it on the pcdiy site that uh that I handled 951 01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:29,279 the confit for and but I think it's like a little bit lone fact I don't know if 952 01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:33,039 you guys already kind of found out about it um but since I couldn't give you a 953 01:06:31,319 --> 01:06:37,279 confirm or deny about what you guys asked about um a lot of people have been 954 01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:40,839 asking about the Swift um one of the really cool things I can tell you for 955 01:06:38,760 --> 01:06:44,319 the Swift is you know the Swift you guys know all the new specs it'll have but 956 01:06:42,279 --> 01:06:49,559 one of the new functions it also be it will be the first 3D Vision 2560 enabled 957 01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:53,720 panel so you'll be able to uh game an actually at 3D resolutions Beyond 1080 958 01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:57,039 so that's at least something maybe you guys didn't know about kind of cool I 959 01:06:55,599 --> 01:07:02,119 did not I don't like 3D I know you don't 960 01:06:59,680 --> 01:07:05,920 like 3D but some people do and you haven't tried it with a low persistence 961 01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:08,920 backlight monitor have you that's true no I haven't so this should this could 962 01:07:07,839 --> 01:07:14,039 be very interesting I've tried the light boost hack though all right so thank you 963 01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:15,960 very much JJ and uh we will hopefully 964 01:07:14,039 --> 01:07:19,760 have you on again I guess in another year when another oh no because we're 965 01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:23,680 going to you can neither confirm nor deny that we're going to have another 966 01:07:21,079 --> 01:07:27,319 chipset sooner than that but uh why don't we all agree that we're g to we're 967 01:07:25,599 --> 01:07:30,680 going to reconvene sooner than a year from now yeah I definitely will say 968 01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:36,480 sooner than a year from now we can reconvene and uh if any of your guys 969 01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:38,839 have um any any questions that they want 970 01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:41,319 answered that I didn't answer um you can tell them they can post in the Forum 971 01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:44,880 I'll I'll jump back in there a little bit later tonight and I I'll more than 972 01:07:43,240 --> 01:07:49,720 happy to answer anybody's questions that's fantastic all right thanks JJ and 973 01:07:47,799 --> 01:07:53,920 uh thanks to uh thanks to all of our viewers if you guys want to just let JJ 974 01:07:51,599 --> 01:07:57,440 know give him a big old uh you know thanks JJ in the twitch chat or on 975 01:07:56,000 --> 01:08:05,240 Twitter or whatever else I'm sure he'll want to check that out but now it is 976 01:08:00,119 --> 01:08:08,440 time to cover our sponsors for the day 977 01:08:05,240 --> 01:08:10,480 so first up we've got Squarespace now 978 01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:15,559 they asked us to do something a little bit different so normally we would say 979 01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:20,319 Okay Squarespace is the beautiful way to create your own very own awesome 980 01:08:17,679 --> 01:08:24,319 fantastic website and it's you know relatively inexpensive actually it's 981 01:08:22,199 --> 01:08:29,120 quite inexpensive they have 24/7 supp okay all that stuff that I nor say this 982 01:08:27,159 --> 01:08:34,679 time they actually asked me for something very very different and um I'm 983 01:08:32,600 --> 01:08:40,319 going to go ahead I'm going to play This Here song that is known as I'm not going 984 01:08:37,799 --> 01:08:46,480 to be able to hear it I have it that is you can hear it that is known as the 985 01:08:43,480 --> 01:08:46,480 Squarespace 986 01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:56,239 jingle also there might be some lip syncing going on in the corner up 987 01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:58,880 here oh it's muted how dare dare you be 988 01:08:56,239 --> 01:09:02,480 muted this is the song A Day guy by the way here we go here we go here we go 989 01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:06,000 here we go here we go all right okay okay we got we got we got the lyrics 990 01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:18,799 toate you can start with 20 highly 991 01:09:15,440 --> 01:09:22,640 customizable 10 place to make your own 992 01:09:18,799 --> 01:09:25,880 professional website or online 993 01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:29,799 portfolio industry leing support 994 01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:32,839 at just $8 a month W you know the drill 995 01:09:29,799 --> 01:09:35,679 you know where to go square space get 996 01:09:32,839 --> 01:09:42,480 started today make the website that you want to make square space so easy and 997 01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:46,120 fast they fund all your 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01:10:37,679 --> 01:10:44,800 what guys there is no way that we can take this seriously because even though 1011 01:10:41,880 --> 01:10:50,159 the song legit actually contains all the key selling points of Squarespace it's 1012 01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:55,679 uh it's just it's it's it's like it's not a serious song by any stretch of the 1013 01:10:52,640 --> 01:10:57,760 imagination so guys the point of this is 1014 01:10:55,679 --> 01:11:01,320 not necessarily to listen to it and kind of go oh now I completely understand 1015 01:10:59,400 --> 01:11:06,480 Squarespace the point more than anything else is to go look this is a fun way to 1016 01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:11,880 get the word out there about Squarespace and most importantly a fun way to talk 1017 01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:15,000 about how squares SP Squarespace funds 1018 01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:18,239 some pretty awesome podcasts including 1019 01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:20,719 ours and it's a big reason that we are 1020 01:11:18,239 --> 01:11:25,640 actually able to exist and able to do this kind of thing and that that was the 1021 01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:29,000 whole thing in the chorus about refund all your favorite podcasts because 1022 01:11:27,080 --> 01:11:33,040 they're very proud of their role in supporting the podcast Community 1023 01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:38,360 something that a lot of other companies are just not that interested in because 1024 01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:42,520 the ROI is very difficult to measure so guys just remember you want to make your 1025 01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:48,360 own beautiful website H headit over to squarespace.com Linus for a free trial 1026 01:11:45,120 --> 01:11:51,280 and 10% off gets or you get 10% off with 1027 01:11:48,360 --> 01:11:55,800 offer code Linus there we go not my most uh not my most graceful graceful read 1028 01:11:53,520 --> 01:12:00,960 ever but uh speaking speaking of graceful and perfect Segways that 1029 01:11:59,080 --> 01:12:08,000 couldn't be any better no matter what happened modus is a new sponsor of the W 1030 01:12:05,719 --> 01:12:11,880 show and you guys all need to like legitimately if you have a Facebook 1031 01:12:10,239 --> 01:12:17,040 account and I know not all of you are going to but you are going to want to 1032 01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:21,360 head over to Facebook and head over to 1033 01:12:17,040 --> 01:12:24,600 the modus page so that's m o d i s 1034 01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:27,719 because geek Stakes is going on right 1035 01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:30,280 now you guys and geek Stakes is uh was 1036 01:12:27,719 --> 01:12:35,600 actually a collaborative thing that we worked on uh Austin Evans has been 1037 01:12:32,639 --> 01:12:42,520 involved and it is basically a bunch of crazy awesome prizes what hey guys it's 1038 01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:45,239 geek Stakes 2014 no but seriously uh we 1039 01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:49,679 helped pick all the prizes because they asked us for some insight into what our 1040 01:12:47,360 --> 01:12:53,560 audience would want them to give away so here I'm just going to screen share 1041 01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:58,159 really quick here so there you go it's facebook.com/ modus so notice is an IT 1042 01:12:56,639 --> 01:13:02,360 recruiter so not only do they give away a bunch of cool stuff but you can submit 1043 01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:08,199 your resume to them for free and they handle placements to uh Fortune 500 1044 01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:12,000 companies little tiny startups and all throughout the IT industry it's a way of 1045 01:13:10,400 --> 01:13:17,760 getting a job in the IT industry that quite frankly I had never actually 1046 01:13:14,920 --> 01:13:22,520 considered I'd heard of it so it costs nothing for the actual user and major 1047 01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:27,840 like big companies they asked me not to name any names but big companies use the 1048 01:13:25,239 --> 01:13:30,120 these guys to fill some seriously cool positions I'm sure if you're one of the 1049 01:13:29,080 --> 01:13:35,000 people that want to sign up for this your Google fu is probably good enough to kind of figure that out yeah so 1050 01:13:33,320 --> 01:13:39,600 anyway guys the geek Stakes runs from May 23rd to June 6th and if you go back 1051 01:13:37,400 --> 01:13:44,400 every day you can get additional entries I do want to talk a little bit about 1052 01:13:42,280 --> 01:13:48,320 what they are giving away so there's an MSI 1053 01:13:45,679 --> 01:13:53,440 gs60 that was uh that was my personal contribution I was like okay look you 1054 01:13:51,199 --> 01:13:57,440 guys whatever other prizes you got like that's cool that's cool but you want to 1055 01:13:55,719 --> 01:14:01,760 make sure you've got like a sweet gaming notebook and that was one that was able 1056 01:13:59,400 --> 01:14:05,239 to fit into the price that uh we were able to kind of take away from 1057 01:14:03,320 --> 01:14:11,679 everything else and and be able to hit they are giving away an Oculus Rift they 1058 01:14:08,199 --> 01:14:14,639 are giving away a parrot AR drone a lro 1059 01:14:11,679 --> 01:14:18,800 camera that camera that you can focus after you take the picture they're 1060 01:14:16,199 --> 01:14:22,560 giving away a Fire TV a Sphero that bloth control ball Pebble Smartwatch 1061 01:14:21,159 --> 01:14:26,080 that was my personal contribution as well uh jbird BlueBuds X Bluetooth 1062 01:14:25,080 --> 01:14:30,159 earbud set almost everything on this list is 1063 01:14:28,520 --> 01:14:34,040 stuff we've reviewed in the past they're giving away an M45 gaming mouse my 1064 01:14:32,199 --> 01:14:41,280 personal favorite gaming mouse right now so guys definitely go and check that out 1065 01:14:38,040 --> 01:14:43,600 which brings us into our last sponsor 1066 01:14:41,280 --> 01:14:47,280 guys if you haven't had enough ASUS on this show already what on Earth are you 1067 01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:51,440 doing you know what just go back to the standard one because we've got our ASUS 1068 01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:55,120 uh we've got our ASUS Rog notebook right there if you haven't had enough ASUS on 1069 01:14:52,960 --> 01:14:58,719 the show I'm going to drink some ASUS Kool-Aid here some more and talk to you 1070 01:14:56,440 --> 01:15:05,400 guys about the g750 JZ I don't think we have any other ASUS 1071 01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:07,679 things okay it's so I was doing the W 1072 01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:12,760 show and I brought a laptop I thought that I would rap but you didn't give a 1073 01:15:09,760 --> 01:15:15,840 crap top about my runs that just ain't 1074 01:15:12,760 --> 01:15:18,639 that great but on the show it's my show 1075 01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:22,000 so don't hate oh my God you prepped that didn't you no I actually didn't sorry 1076 01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:25,199 that was 100% freestyle that was pretty good i' I've freestyled better on the 1077 01:15:23,639 --> 01:15:31,159 show before but anyway the point guys this is the g750 JZ is a legit power 1078 01:15:29,080 --> 01:15:35,199 gaming note legit power legit powerful gaming notebook I'm never going to make 1079 01:15:32,639 --> 01:15:39,719 it through you know it's legit power that should be their new tagline Rock 1080 01:15:37,320 --> 01:15:46,120 Solid legit power the the saddest part is I don't 1081 01:15:42,440 --> 01:15:49,960 even think it's impossible no can't even 1082 01:15:46,120 --> 01:15:53,679 power legit L literally can't even 1083 01:15:49,960 --> 01:15:55,719 power okay so anyway the point is um 1084 01:15:53,679 --> 01:16:00,800 it's funny cuz with these with the way we talk about the g750 j-z like we we 1085 01:15:58,520 --> 01:16:05,239 eventually laboriously get the point across but uh if you know if I was ASUS 1086 01:16:03,520 --> 01:16:10,000 I'd be like what what are these guys doing over there but truthfully and this 1087 01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:13,440 is just this is like the biggest tease ever because I'm not going to tell you 1088 01:16:11,159 --> 01:16:18,280 guys anything about it ASUS just signed on with us for something really exciting 1089 01:16:16,320 --> 01:16:22,760 it's a collaborative effort between me and Logan and some other guys 1090 01:16:20,719 --> 01:16:26,440 potentially and they are going to be our presenting sponsor for it we're going to 1091 01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:33,199 be talking about potentially another cool ASUS gaming laptop and it is going 1092 01:16:29,360 --> 01:16:34,639 to be absolutely like bat crap crazy 1093 01:16:33,199 --> 01:16:40,280 expect that to happen around the end of June but in the meantime g750 JZ is what 1094 01:16:38,080 --> 01:16:44,360 I would consider to be about as good as it gets for a desktop replacement 1095 01:16:42,320 --> 01:16:47,360 without getting into that unreasonable size where it just doesn't really make 1096 01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:52,120 any sense anymore and the battery life isn't that good like with this with the 1097 01:16:49,440 --> 01:16:57,080 750 JZ I can get through almost two full W shows on one charge in spite of the 1098 01:16:54,400 --> 01:17:00,400 fact that it is a gaming notebook and if I am gaming obviously battery light's 1099 01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:05,040 not as good but I can get performance that is pretty close to what you could 1100 01:17:02,679 --> 01:17:08,440 do on a modern generation desktop and actually probably about the same as what 1101 01:17:06,440 --> 01:17:12,760 you could do on a last gen high performance gaming desktop with a single 1102 01:17:10,199 --> 01:17:15,560 GPU Enthusiast grade GPU you know what we should do you know how we make like 1103 01:17:14,360 --> 01:17:20,360 Techquickie commercials for different companies every once a while hold on so thanks ASUS for sponsoring the W show 1104 01:17:19,040 --> 01:17:24,400 and providing us with these awesome laptops to use while we broadcast to you 1105 01:17:22,480 --> 01:17:29,760 guys it's like pretty cool of them it's nice cu my last one barely works anymore 1106 01:17:27,040 --> 01:17:35,120 um we should make a like Tech cookie style commercial thing for Jay-Z laptops 1107 01:17:32,679 --> 01:17:40,360 but we should make it where it's a rap battle featuring lonus and lonus has to 1108 01:17:38,159 --> 01:17:44,639 like go through these it's it's kind of like the Pokemon League but in rap 1109 01:17:42,760 --> 01:17:48,679 battle form so you have to like beat all these different rap battle trainer 1110 01:17:47,080 --> 01:17:51,360 people and they all have like different styles and you have to make your way 1111 01:17:50,120 --> 01:17:57,719 through it and then when you win you get a Jay-Z laptop okay oh hey guys oh sorry 1112 01:17:56,000 --> 01:18:02,920 sorry sorry totally totally off topic I've got um I've got our what on Earth 1113 01:18:00,560 --> 01:18:06,800 where is it okay well okay anyway um back to the back to the modus giveaway 1114 01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:13,320 really quickly here just screen share me um the first draw is in half an hour so 1115 01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:16,760 guys seriously legitimately go check it out go like the page right now and 1116 01:18:15,440 --> 01:18:22,080 you'll be entered to win a stick and find so that's that little Bluetooth sticker that Luke and I used for that 1117 01:18:20,400 --> 01:18:25,960 fun little video we did where we played hide the sausage so guys seriously like 1118 01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:32,440 just go there now and go click it because otherwise um I will have to eat 1119 01:18:28,840 --> 01:18:34,199 grul for several weeks and I don't think 1120 01:18:32,440 --> 01:18:39,600 you would want that twitch chat liked my idea they what was your idea oh I hate 1121 01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:41,120 your idea your idea is stupid why you 1122 01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:45,360 your your idea is bad and you should feel bad I want to see you rap battle 1123 01:18:43,320 --> 01:18:50,639 you want to see me rap battle Yeah do you yeah I do actually oh 1124 01:18:47,960 --> 01:18:55,920 boy and yet you don't want to make a foot flick music video okay okay so last 1125 01:18:54,239 --> 01:18:58,960 show you guys I brought up the foot flick thing about how every nerd knows 1126 01:18:57,639 --> 01:19:02,880 how to do the foot flick so they don't yank Ethernet cables and Destroy devices 1127 01:19:01,280 --> 01:19:07,600 so I was saying we should do like a really quick kind of tech tips video on 1128 01:19:05,880 --> 01:19:12,560 like everyone should know how to do the foot flick this is how you do the foot 1129 01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:15,600 flick and his reaction was awesome but 1130 01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:18,239 let's make it a music video do the foot 1131 01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:22,960 flick oh do the foot flick so making like new dance moves but 1132 01:19:21,320 --> 01:19:26,159 part of the foot flick is you got to flick your foot back so hard that you 1133 01:19:24,320 --> 01:19:29,920 fall forward yeah so the whole thing's going to have to be like this it 1134 01:19:27,880 --> 01:19:33,480 couldn't be the same person every time like the idea is that like what like 1135 01:19:31,480 --> 01:19:37,560 we'd have like one cable during the chorus and like one person would walk by 1136 01:19:36,159 --> 01:19:41,360 and like do the foot flick and they'd like like roll past it and then like the 1137 01:19:39,560 --> 01:19:43,840 next person come by do the foot flick and if you can't do the foot flick 1138 01:19:42,639 --> 01:19:47,840 you're going to be in trouble you're going to be on the ground on the double 1139 01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:52,679 and then like someone Falls see I would love to see you in a rap battle I think 1140 01:19:49,639 --> 01:19:54,280 you could do it oh I love it I 1141 01:19:52,679 --> 01:19:57,960 definitely think you could do it so are we yeah I don't know we got to do 1142 01:19:55,880 --> 01:20:02,360 something with the foot flick okay whatever it ends up being we will we 1143 01:20:00,360 --> 01:20:07,840 will do something with the foot flick I cannot promise H nor threaten that it 1144 01:20:05,320 --> 01:20:11,840 will be a rap battle or a music video but it will definitely be something all 1145 01:20:10,199 --> 01:20:17,600 right speaking of things that are definitely something this is cool I mean 1146 01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:21,080 we don't we don't often just find um you 1147 01:20:17,600 --> 01:20:22,480 know like a little small PC announcement 1148 01:20:21,080 --> 01:20:26,960 and sort of make a big deal about it on the W show unless it's a product that we 1149 01:20:24,440 --> 01:20:31,679 think is like really really different and this is still just an all-in-one 1150 01:20:29,639 --> 01:20:39,800 mini piece or not allinone pardon me uh is still just a Mini PC but look at it 1151 01:20:35,440 --> 01:20:43,520 this is the ZBOX sphere and what it is 1152 01:20:39,800 --> 01:20:44,719 is it is a tiny PC like it's it's a okay 1153 01:20:43,520 --> 01:20:51,679 this isn't giving you guys much of an idea of the scale here so this was posted on the Forum by 1154 01:20:48,679 --> 01:20:54,639 4960x seriously people who put like 1155 01:20:51,679 --> 01:20:58,880 years in their usernames or like indiv idual products and their usernames you 1156 01:20:56,960 --> 01:21:03,120 guys got to forward think a little bit more anyway it's it's about this big I 1157 01:21:01,000 --> 01:21:08,239 saw it first at CES but this thing's got a core i5 processor in it and is a full 1158 01:21:06,159 --> 01:21:13,159 computer in the size of a sphere and you know what they deserve some attention 1159 01:21:11,080 --> 01:21:18,639 for this for trying to think out literally outside the box 1160 01:21:16,480 --> 01:21:23,080 oh no you don't want to do that are you sweaty it's nastyy okay well the point 1161 01:21:21,080 --> 01:21:26,800 is they're thinking outside the box in much the same way that apple is getting 1162 01:21:24,920 --> 01:21:30,679 so much attention for but who else is going to pay attention to Zotac for 1163 01:21:28,960 --> 01:21:34,679 doing something a little bit different other than us so I've requested a review 1164 01:21:32,960 --> 01:21:39,159 sample of that I do want to tell you guys more about it I think it's really 1165 01:21:36,280 --> 01:21:45,400 cool uh you basically Twist Off The Top for toolless upgrades it takes a 2 and 1 1166 01:21:41,080 --> 01:21:48,120 half inch SSD an MSA SSD and two sodium 1167 01:21:45,400 --> 01:21:54,760 modules and uh yeah I think that is pretty darn cool speaking of things that 1168 01:21:50,520 --> 01:21:57,040 aren't pretty darn cool oh yeah what is 1169 01:21:54,760 --> 01:22:02,440 what like what so this was posted on the Forum by Neils Kik and the original 1170 01:21:59,800 --> 01:22:06,480 article is from tweakers.net and basically Google sent out a letter that 1171 01:22:05,199 --> 01:22:10,880 was discovered by The Wall Street Journal thank you Wall Street Journal for being cool um this letter was sent 1172 01:22:09,800 --> 01:22:16,600 to the Securities and Exchange Commission back in December arguing that they don't have to specify their 1173 01:22:13,679 --> 01:22:23,760 revenues on mobile ads and one of the arguments that they brought up is that 1174 01:22:19,320 --> 01:22:25,440 it's difficult to indicate um mobile 1175 01:22:23,760 --> 01:22:30,639 devices because as the definition keeps on changing like it's difficult to pin 1176 01:22:27,719 --> 01:22:37,280 down what exactly is a mobile device so they use possible future examples such 1177 01:22:33,159 --> 01:22:40,000 as fridges thermostats glasses and 1178 01:22:37,280 --> 01:22:44,639 watches but the problem here is that even though Google hasn't talked or even 1179 01:22:42,199 --> 01:22:48,960 indicated that they have any plans of implementing ads on any of those kinds 1180 01:22:46,760 --> 01:22:54,159 of devices it shows that they're thinking 1181 01:22:51,360 --> 01:22:58,520 about it like how annoying would that be on something like a watch where you have 1182 01:22:56,320 --> 01:23:02,880 such cover the whole screen limited real estate where it's like or or okay but 1183 01:23:01,239 --> 01:23:06,840 let's let's move away from sort of the watches we have today and kind of go 1184 01:23:05,520 --> 01:23:12,400 okay what about the watch of tomorrow where it has a holographic display or whatever else could we be looking at a 1185 01:23:10,679 --> 01:23:17,000 situation where you like are expected to look past an ad or like if you look at 1186 01:23:14,800 --> 01:23:21,480 it at the wrong angle there's like an ad in your face yeah probably and it's 1187 01:23:20,120 --> 01:23:27,320 frustrating because this brings up the thing that we've talked about before too which is where you totally buy a device 1188 01:23:25,320 --> 01:23:30,400 and then that person that you bought the device from serves you ads which is 1189 01:23:29,360 --> 01:23:34,679 crazy frustrating okay speaking of so anyway 1190 01:23:33,040 --> 01:23:40,480 that's that's just it was a very brief discussion topic there speaking of uh 1191 01:23:37,199 --> 01:23:43,159 buying a device and then having the rug 1192 01:23:40,480 --> 01:23:51,159 completely pulled out from under you LG has uh LG guys not cool like not cool 1193 01:23:48,320 --> 01:23:56,920 what's going on here and as much as uh noir's original post about this is super 1194 01:23:54,520 --> 01:24:01,920 lame it just says silly LG and then is a uh and then is a link to the original 1195 01:23:58,960 --> 01:24:07,040 Source here that is not how we do things Noir um still I actually am not sure 1196 01:24:05,560 --> 01:24:11,679 what else I could have said about it so the original article is from teer.com 1197 01:24:08,719 --> 01:24:17,960 and basically what happened is this gentleman didn't want to roll out an 1198 01:24:14,960 --> 01:24:21,120 update to his 2-year-old TV that would 1199 01:24:17,960 --> 01:24:23,639 change the privacy policy in such a way 1200 01:24:21,120 --> 01:24:29,120 that he wasn't comfortable with so what LG reason sorry with good reason with 1201 01:24:26,560 --> 01:24:32,480 good reason so what LG oh yeah okay so what what it said was yeah when you use 1202 01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:36,560 live plus we may share certain viewing information device information and basic 1203 01:24:34,239 --> 01:24:41,040 usage information with third parties for advertising and analytics purposes and 1204 01:24:39,119 --> 01:24:46,360 enable the provision of information relevant to what you are 1205 01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:47,920 viewing um to third V thir party vendors 1206 01:24:46,360 --> 01:24:51,960 that LG Electronics May engage to provide services on his behalf from time to time such as to collect payment for 1207 01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:57,520 Content you purchase or to fulfill customer service requests or to provide advertising services 1208 01:24:55,239 --> 01:25:03,159 basically the guy was like yeah no that's not cool so LG basically goes 1209 01:25:00,400 --> 01:25:08,800 okay well you can either accept it or you cannot use the smart TV features of 1210 01:25:06,400 --> 01:25:12,840 your smart TV that you bought and it's not like he can just take it back to the 1211 01:25:10,560 --> 01:25:16,440 store at this point to 2-year-old TV that's about from Costco even Costco 1212 01:25:14,520 --> 01:25:24,400 doesn't take back 2-year-old TVs anymore I think it's a three-month limit now 1213 01:25:19,400 --> 01:25:26,920 wow I can't even begin to understand how 1214 01:25:24,400 --> 01:25:31,679 how they feel like this is okay I mean it's and they definitely do because it's 1215 01:25:28,760 --> 01:25:35,920 very plainly written yes that that's going to happen it's part of their 1216 01:25:32,920 --> 01:25:37,960 policy that they can just not if you if 1217 01:25:35,920 --> 01:25:41,520 you refuse to accept the the usage changes and you know what they're not 1218 01:25:39,600 --> 01:25:46,920 the only ones who have covered their butts in such a way that you know they 1219 01:25:45,119 --> 01:25:51,280 could just change anything at any time and you would just have to deal with it 1220 01:25:48,840 --> 01:25:56,280 I just feel like guys when we hear about things like this we have a 1221 01:25:53,119 --> 01:26:00,800 responsibility to not support the guys 1222 01:25:56,280 --> 01:26:03,199 who are if nothing else even if everyone 1223 01:26:00,800 --> 01:26:07,840 has this as part of their policy we can choose not to support the ones that are 1224 01:26:04,760 --> 01:26:09,719 enforcing it and at least make the ones 1225 01:26:07,840 --> 01:26:13,920 that aren't enforcing it kind of look at what's going on and go oh okay well 1226 01:26:12,040 --> 01:26:18,360 let's keep not enforcing let's keep not enforcing that because otherwise we are 1227 01:26:16,400 --> 01:26:20,679 going to back ourselves into a corner where we are just going to have no 1228 01:26:19,639 --> 01:26:25,840 choice and we're not going to have another option I've never really been interested in Smart TVs because I find 1229 01:26:24,440 --> 01:26:31,320 that honestly most of them are junk anyways they truly are um so I wouldn't 1230 01:26:29,199 --> 01:26:36,040 have bought one anyways but this makes it so that if I had to I would 1231 01:26:32,960 --> 01:26:37,360 specifically not buy an LG one CU again 1232 01:26:36,040 --> 01:26:43,119 we have to try and vote with our wallets it rarely seems to work but if we can 1233 01:26:40,480 --> 01:26:48,400 try again that would be fantastic yeah if we could just try that again that 1234 01:26:45,679 --> 01:26:54,920 would be that would be great thanks all right so big news this week 1235 01:26:52,639 --> 01:26:57,920 and I would love for you guys to to let's do like just a general Twitter 1236 01:26:56,440 --> 01:27:03,400 Blitz Q&A we're getting pretty close to the end of the show and if you could 1237 01:26:59,840 --> 01:27:06,480 specifically let me know because I have 1238 01:27:03,400 --> 01:27:08,400 zero marketing support from Microsoft I 1239 01:27:06,480 --> 01:27:13,760 don't know a single person in PR or their PR firm so for me to review the 1240 01:27:11,040 --> 01:27:18,960 surface 3 I'm going to straight up have to buy it so if you guys can let me know 1241 01:27:16,840 --> 01:27:25,199 like are you is some CU I don't need another laptop got g750 j-z Yo anyway uh 1242 01:27:23,320 --> 01:27:28,800 I don't need another laptop so if someone is like yeah I would totally buy 1243 01:27:27,119 --> 01:27:33,360 that off youus without you having to take a huge hit on it uh or if you guys 1244 01:27:31,239 --> 01:27:38,000 are like look this is totally worth the ,200 or so dollars you're going to have 1245 01:27:35,080 --> 01:27:41,320 to spend on a medium spec one to really yeah I know it's a lot of money to and 1246 01:27:39,760 --> 01:27:44,920 we really need you to review this we really need you to talk about this guys 1247 01:27:42,840 --> 01:27:49,080 let me know how important this is to you but basically here it is uh the Verge 1248 01:27:47,360 --> 01:27:54,639 was at the launch event they've got some pictures of it here and this looks like 1249 01:27:51,719 --> 01:27:59,560 what I pretty much asked for back when they launched the original surface and 1250 01:27:56,520 --> 01:28:01,400 the Surface RT it is thinner the 1251 01:27:59,560 --> 01:28:05,880 keyboard implementation is better so they've got a backlit uh type cover now 1252 01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:10,480 that actually mounts to the screen in a in a different way so you can actually 1253 01:28:07,880 --> 01:28:15,360 Fold It Up flat and then lay it against it so that it angles up a little bit at 1254 01:28:12,320 --> 01:28:17,159 the same time um the touchpad is bigger 1255 01:28:15,360 --> 01:28:22,080 on the type cover what they what they've effectively done is they've made it 1256 01:28:19,560 --> 01:28:26,119 while the battery life is still not quite there it's about 8 hours which is 1257 01:28:24,199 --> 01:28:33,199 pretty good but when you compare that to what is it 13 hours on the MacBook 1258 01:28:28,679 --> 01:28:34,400 Air it it apple is like ah I just I want 1259 01:28:33,199 --> 01:28:38,800 someone to beat them batteries are holding everything back everywhere batteries are holding everything back so 1260 01:28:36,840 --> 01:28:43,080 anyway the point is they have pretty much delivered what I asked for when 1261 01:28:40,600 --> 01:28:48,280 they first launched this device a longer battery um great power consumption it's 1262 01:28:46,119 --> 01:28:54,560 thinner it's beautiful it's more functional and it legitimately replaces 1263 01:28:52,520 --> 01:28:58,199 both the tablet and the note book in a way that the original just couldn't do 1264 01:28:56,480 --> 01:29:02,719 because the changes they've made to the kickstand allow it instead of just 1265 01:29:00,119 --> 01:29:07,719 locking into a position or two uh they it uses a friction mount to go anywhere 1266 01:29:04,440 --> 01:29:09,440 from 22 to 150° so you can sit the thing 1267 01:29:07,719 --> 01:29:13,239 up in your lap and still have it be supported well enough that you can use 1268 01:29:10,960 --> 01:29:20,080 it that way or you can lay it down flat and write on it with a 1269 01:29:14,960 --> 01:29:22,960 256 pressure layer or um pressure level 1270 01:29:20,080 --> 01:29:27,360 uh stylus and you can really use it in in every Poss possible way apparently 1271 01:29:25,600 --> 01:29:31,719 the front facing speakers sound great this is a real drawback of many devices 1272 01:29:30,199 --> 01:29:36,280 out there that I just feel like do a crappy job of implementing audio and I'm 1273 01:29:34,400 --> 01:29:40,080 glad to see someone other than HTC taking front-facing speakers and how 1274 01:29:37,960 --> 01:29:45,000 important they are seriously and like honestly guys it's faster it just looks 1275 01:29:42,639 --> 01:29:48,320 like one seriously cool device I really like that raise up that you can do on 1276 01:29:46,199 --> 01:29:52,080 the typ cover I hope it actually this is what I'm talking about right here doesn't make it kind of flex down a lot 1277 01:29:50,560 --> 01:29:56,239 while you're typing cuz that would not be very good I don't know this is the kind of thing that I'd really like to 1278 01:29:55,000 --> 01:30:03,760 there's a close-up of the hinge this is all from The Verge this is how you can lay it all the way down flat pretty much 1279 01:29:59,920 --> 01:30:05,560 so you can draw in it um it's it's 1280 01:30:03,760 --> 01:30:09,000 really clean looking so that surface branding on the back of it is pretty 1281 01:30:07,040 --> 01:30:12,800 much all you see it apparently does get a little bit warm in use I actually like 1282 01:30:11,159 --> 01:30:17,239 this placement of the Windows button right here rather than the bottom one 1283 01:30:14,639 --> 01:30:26,040 because when I sit and use a tablet or even a notebook I'm using my hands or a 1284 01:30:21,440 --> 01:30:29,000 hand and this is as good or better 1285 01:30:26,040 --> 01:30:33,239 always than down here yeah yeah yeah yeah where it's more of a like you like 1286 01:30:30,920 --> 01:30:36,679 grab something and you're liable to accidentally press it as often as press 1287 01:30:35,280 --> 01:30:40,600 it on purpose so uh let's let's do that 1288 01:30:39,119 --> 01:30:43,360 Twitter Blitz shall we guys we want to hear from you I feel bad we don't I feel 1289 01:30:42,400 --> 01:30:50,560 like we don't do enough Twitter interaction on this show anymore but we just have so much stuff to talk about um 1290 01:30:48,639 --> 01:30:54,480 Captain cake says buy one review it and return it okay that is a good suggestion 1291 01:30:52,880 --> 01:30:58,480 but there is an issue with that and that's that if something goes wrong and 1292 01:30:56,600 --> 01:31:02,880 we like you know we scratch it or something then we're in a pretty we're 1293 01:31:00,440 --> 01:31:06,679 in a pretty bad situation um someone says they' rather see us check out the 1294 01:31:04,520 --> 01:31:10,560 Lenovo X1 Carbon so that's from Ryan Jenkins Greg says it's really cool but I 1295 01:31:09,440 --> 01:31:15,360 don't think the audience would be interested enough well that's the point of this Twitter Blitz Let's uh let's 1296 01:31:13,960 --> 01:31:23,400 find out what the audience thinks about this actually speaking of uh the audience there were a couple of things 1297 01:31:18,840 --> 01:31:25,320 that I had in here that I wanted a um uh 1298 01:31:23,400 --> 01:31:29,639 a straw p okay one straw pole Luke can you create a straw pole on the infinex 1299 01:31:28,360 --> 01:31:33,840 so that was that omnidirectional treadmill we looked at before versus 1300 01:31:31,760 --> 01:31:37,840 augmented reality which one you would be more excited about if you could have a 1301 01:31:35,880 --> 01:31:41,960 full setup of either of them for the same price let's say and it supported 1302 01:31:39,679 --> 01:31:48,400 all the same games so infin infinitec VR versus infinitec AR versus no just AR 1303 01:31:46,040 --> 01:31:52,880 like running around out and about uh okay so let's keep Twitter blitzing here 1304 01:31:50,199 --> 01:31:56,560 guys someone says don't buy it my Seuss TB 100 performs probably just as good if 1305 01:31:55,159 --> 01:32:02,239 you can borrow it do that of course but it's not worth your own money Delon yeah 1306 01:31:59,320 --> 01:32:07,360 I I know you want it guys by the way this is the Delon who you can do two 1307 01:32:05,560 --> 01:32:12,360 things for one of two things you can either thank him for being the one who 1308 01:32:09,520 --> 01:32:16,159 does the wow table of contents or you can troll him for being the one who 1309 01:32:14,360 --> 01:32:21,000 makes the occasional mistake in the wow table of contents but huge shout out to 1310 01:32:18,400 --> 01:32:24,360 delans because without him the wo takes a lot longer for us to get up because by 1311 01:32:23,119 --> 01:32:29,400 the end of Friday Luke and I are just exhausted and going 1312 01:32:27,199 --> 01:32:34,760 back and rewatching the show that we just broadcast and like creating a table 1313 01:32:32,639 --> 01:32:38,639 of contents for it is not real high on our list of things that we like super 1314 01:32:36,960 --> 01:32:42,679 awesomely want to do and delans was actually the one who came up with the 1315 01:32:40,040 --> 01:32:46,920 idea of doing uh a condensed table of contents and then the super detailed one 1316 01:32:44,600 --> 01:32:51,520 that you guys can find topic by topic what interests you the most hey twitch 1317 01:32:49,280 --> 01:32:55,280 decided to allow me to be a mod again oh cool that's cool it wasn't this entire 1318 01:32:53,280 --> 01:32:58,600 stream so far I would like to see the new Surface but wouldn't be the end of 1319 01:32:56,520 --> 01:33:03,080 the world if I didn't get one okay all right lower your dongers because the 1320 01:33:00,400 --> 01:33:07,119 mods are perab Banning for flexing dongers the surface looks great don't 1321 01:33:05,480 --> 01:33:12,679 have the money now so much better than terrible Windows 8.1 is still a real 1322 01:33:09,800 --> 01:33:19,880 challenge for me um like I still you know issues man you know what it is 95 1323 01:33:16,199 --> 01:33:22,080 98% of the time I'm 100% okay with it 1324 01:33:19,880 --> 01:33:27,639 but then when I'm actually in a hurry to get something done and I swipe off the 1325 01:33:24,840 --> 01:33:33,600 side of my touchpad accidentally when I'm just trying to move the 1326 01:33:29,239 --> 01:33:35,360 mouse it it really drives me up the wall 1327 01:33:33,600 --> 01:33:41,440 it really does in a way that I can't even rationally 1328 01:33:37,560 --> 01:33:44,320 justify but and like when I AC when I 1329 01:33:41,440 --> 01:33:49,639 when I fire up a new pc and I go to listen to a song or look at a picture 1330 01:33:46,880 --> 01:33:54,719 and it opens that garbage modern UI application that is just less hurdles to 1331 01:33:51,719 --> 01:33:57,040 jump through worthless I just it just I 1332 01:33:54,719 --> 01:34:01,080 just go and they have to sit and wait for it to launch and they're so slow 1333 01:33:59,159 --> 01:34:04,400 they really slow they're slow to launch and it's just I know it's only a few 1334 01:34:02,719 --> 01:34:07,719 seconds and this is a total first world problem and it's stupid but it's not 1335 01:34:06,000 --> 01:34:11,880 slow to launch the desktop app but it's not slow to launch the desktop app we're 1336 01:34:09,320 --> 01:34:17,480 solving a problem that we never had anyway uh yes please do it says 1337 01:34:15,000 --> 01:34:20,159 Sebastian isn't it funny how you care more about the way your case interior 1338 01:34:18,880 --> 01:34:23,880 looks and the way your watch looks what's wrong with my watch yeah really I 1339 01:34:22,480 --> 01:34:28,760 like this watch actually a lot of of people have asked me about this is a cojito smartwatch I haven't spent much 1340 01:34:27,280 --> 01:34:33,600 time with the app yet so don't run out and buy them just because I'm wearing it yet I will let you guys know what I 1341 01:34:31,679 --> 01:34:38,480 think of it but I've had a lot of people compliment me on this watch to be 1342 01:34:35,280 --> 01:34:39,880 perfectly honest um more people than the 1343 01:34:38,480 --> 01:34:43,520 pebble with the pebble people are like what is that with this one people are 1344 01:34:41,600 --> 01:34:51,600 like oh what's that yeah 0.01 cares about Microsoft 1345 01:34:48,600 --> 01:34:53,840 Hardware hash just get Aus to build 1346 01:34:51,600 --> 01:34:57,320 it uh it would be really nice if you review the Surface Pro 3 already 1347 01:34:55,719 --> 01:35:03,199 considered buying it buying the Surface Pro 2 okay uh someone an says review a 1348 01:35:00,960 --> 01:35:07,600 base Surface three that's an interesting angle where we go okay here is the 1349 01:35:06,199 --> 01:35:12,679 starting point because I think most everyone else is going to be looking at high-end or mid-range configurations 1350 01:35:11,199 --> 01:35:16,040 whereas if we go okay no we're going to do like a really good review of so this 1351 01:35:14,520 --> 01:35:19,480 is the Surface three by the way you can also get these things by way you buy the 1352 01:35:17,560 --> 01:35:23,719 high models go go look at other people's reviews if you want to know what like 1353 01:35:20,920 --> 01:35:28,119 the cor i7 one performs like that's interesting it's not a bad idea it also 1354 01:35:25,320 --> 01:35:31,280 save you some money Ashley okay you were doing pretty well in this tweet up till 1355 01:35:29,480 --> 01:35:36,639 the bit about putting 10 GB Ethernet on the surface for I don't think that's 1356 01:35:33,600 --> 01:35:39,159 going to happen so good did we just did 1357 01:35:36,639 --> 01:35:42,040 we just lose a hockey game to the fins is that the joke here what's going on in 1358 01:35:40,880 --> 01:35:49,639 the world championships I haven't actually looked at it in the last couple days I don't think we did last 1359 01:35:47,159 --> 01:35:54,920 night pretty sure we didn't lose last night oh World Championships yeah world 1360 01:35:52,400 --> 01:35:59,880 championships hockey I I don't know I haven't haven't been paying that wanting 1361 01:35:56,480 --> 01:36:02,360 team to F Coach Dave tippet thought that 1362 01:35:59,880 --> 01:36:07,520 yeah no they beat the fins yeah screw you guys um okay I have the pro two it's 1363 01:36:05,600 --> 01:36:16,040 awesome reveal the pro three says bebs kadoo who is my my favorite whatever you 1364 01:36:12,400 --> 01:36:17,880 are cool guy favorite dude the sa the 1365 01:36:16,040 --> 01:36:21,600 surface is the one to review go for it okay so looks like people straight up 1366 01:36:20,080 --> 01:36:26,520 really want me to check out the surface 3 okay I'm going to I'm going to order 1367 01:36:23,600 --> 01:36:30,320 one today okay I'll order one and uh you know if someone wants to you know buy it 1368 01:36:28,360 --> 01:36:33,920 off of us on the garage sale I can promise you there will be a bit of a 1369 01:36:31,600 --> 01:36:38,480 deal but it might not be a lot cheaper than uh you know than a surface 3 that 1370 01:36:36,440 --> 01:36:42,960 uh you buy new but it'll be in great condition I'll take really good care of 1371 01:36:39,600 --> 01:36:45,560 it to the best of my ability here guys 1372 01:36:42,960 --> 01:36:49,440 um Zach Janice says why not just get a convertible notebook you know what it's 1373 01:36:46,880 --> 01:36:53,960 a great question and uh I was using a Del X ps12 for a long time which is a 1374 01:36:51,679 --> 01:36:59,360 convertible notebook the reason would say that a surface 3 might make sense is 1375 01:36:56,920 --> 01:37:07,040 that a convertible notebook is not a tablet whereas a surface 3 is a tablet 1376 01:37:03,400 --> 01:37:09,840 but it also has so much more capability 1377 01:37:07,040 --> 01:37:13,719 than a tablet because of the kickstand because of the stylus because of the 1378 01:37:12,360 --> 01:37:17,719 ability to add these keyboard accessories that are well implemented 1379 01:37:15,800 --> 01:37:21,320 and not cluggy I also find that this tablet is going to be a lot thinner and 1380 01:37:19,119 --> 01:37:27,639 smaller over it's much thinner much lighter so there are real reasons why 1381 01:37:23,920 --> 01:37:30,040 surface makes sense Beyond uh or instead 1382 01:37:27,639 --> 01:37:33,080 of a convertible notebook uh apparently the I5 model comes out two months sooner 1383 01:37:31,560 --> 01:37:38,360 than the others so I guess we might end up just uh hitting that one I guess 1384 01:37:36,639 --> 01:37:43,599 Philip says yeah yeah I'll definitely take it after you review it all right fair enough oh we've got people asking 1385 01:37:41,400 --> 01:37:48,040 about the modus sweep Stakes or geek Stakes excuse me I think the draw is in 1386 01:37:45,880 --> 01:37:52,280 eight minutes unless it was at nine shoot I'm uh dirty I think I'm at a bit 1387 01:37:50,199 --> 01:37:56,400 of a loss here okay well either way guys go back every weekday and make sure that 1388 01:37:54,480 --> 01:38:02,000 you go uh that you go check that out and thanks again to modus for sponsoring our 1389 01:37:58,280 --> 01:38:04,360 show today uh have you seen the metal 1390 01:38:02,000 --> 01:38:08,440 metag glasses space glasses for AR no I haven't but we don't click links on uh 1391 01:38:06,520 --> 01:38:11,360 on Twitter on the wow anymore after some bad 1392 01:38:09,679 --> 01:38:18,159 experiences I don't think that's the best still grab of uh luk ever 1393 01:38:14,400 --> 01:38:21,560 no okay so that's about it setting aside 1394 01:38:18,159 --> 01:38:24,880 the money Nintendo and Sony has what 1395 01:38:21,560 --> 01:38:28,280 would be the ups and downs of Nintendo 1396 01:38:24,880 --> 01:38:30,360 straight up buying 1397 01:38:28,280 --> 01:38:34,360 PlayStation I'd be down with Nintendo buying PlayStation they won't at all for 1398 01:38:32,679 --> 01:38:39,880 sure because I mean the thing is that it's not in their like model at 1399 01:38:36,880 --> 01:38:43,840 all the thing that I think 1400 01:38:39,880 --> 01:38:45,719 people need to get about Nintendo is 1401 01:38:43,840 --> 01:38:51,159 that they're not having trouble right now because they can't build a build a 1402 01:38:48,239 --> 01:38:54,679 powerful gaming console or because they can't pursue the whole third party trip 1403 01:38:53,800 --> 01:39:03,040 well okay they are having trouble pursuing third party triaa gaming titles but it's because of the different 1404 01:38:59,800 --> 01:39:06,000 approach that they believe in pursuing 1405 01:39:03,040 --> 01:39:09,400 with you know multiple screens and different controller schemas and all 1406 01:39:07,840 --> 01:39:14,040 that kind of stuff it's not like Nintendo doesn't know how to build a 1407 01:39:11,760 --> 01:39:19,960 brick with controllers plugged into it um so they wouldn't buy PlayStation for 1408 01:39:16,159 --> 01:39:22,599 the sake of the innovation of PS4 being 1409 01:39:19,960 --> 01:39:26,760 a brick with controllers yeah wirelessly connected to it 1410 01:39:24,599 --> 01:39:31,199 being pluged into wireless controllers all we modes so I just think straight up 1411 01:39:29,639 --> 01:39:35,239 Nintendo just wouldn't even be interested even if they could afford it 1412 01:39:33,159 --> 01:39:40,360 nope I don't think so either like at all and I'm okay with that I think Wii U and 1413 01:39:37,920 --> 01:39:46,080 I think 2DS 3DS deserves a lot more attention and a lot more respect than it 1414 01:39:41,960 --> 01:39:48,040 gets cuz honestly 2DS 3DS is really fun 1415 01:39:46,080 --> 01:39:52,239 they're integrated super well that's another thing people don't understand is 1416 01:39:49,320 --> 01:39:56,639 everyone everyone will complain for days when Battlefield doesn't work off the 1417 01:39:54,480 --> 01:40:00,840 bat and tight Titanfall is not very well optimized for PC off the bat and there's 1418 01:39:58,760 --> 01:40:06,320 like all these problems all over the place but then when every single 1419 01:40:03,119 --> 01:40:08,920 Nintendo game like ever works completely 1420 01:40:06,320 --> 01:40:13,760 flawlessly out of the box as far as I can think of off the top of my head uh 1421 01:40:11,400 --> 01:40:16,840 no one seems to really care I have a Wii U and I have a 2DS they're both 1422 01:40:15,360 --> 01:40:21,360 absolutely fantastic whenever anyone comes over we often end up playing Wii U 1423 01:40:19,199 --> 01:40:25,239 because PC games are great but they're great when your buddy is still at his 1424 01:40:22,840 --> 01:40:29,480 house or you're landing and that's actually kind of difficult to kind do 1425 01:40:26,880 --> 01:40:32,440 all the time um so yeah I don't I don't know I don't know I think they deserve a 1426 01:40:31,119 --> 01:40:36,880 lot more attention than they get I mean speaking of of uh of their games all 1427 01:40:34,760 --> 01:40:41,159 working flawlessly the gam spy serers shutting down was a bit of a problem 1428 01:40:39,280 --> 01:40:44,480 recently for DS owners who still want to play Mario Kart Wii owners who still 1429 01:40:43,080 --> 01:40:48,639 want to play their games but that was brutal there's some good news out of all 1430 01:40:46,840 --> 01:40:54,080 of this as well this was originally posted by Bonsai 99 on the Forum and 1431 01:40:51,320 --> 01:40:59,920 here's a post from bungie.net Halo 1432 01:40:55,320 --> 01:41:02,880 PC Combat Evolved and custom Edition 1433 01:40:59,920 --> 01:41:08,280 there's a new patch so the GameSpy servers went down 1434 01:41:05,719 --> 01:41:13,880 so you weren't going to be able to even look for online servers because the the 1435 01:41:10,599 --> 01:41:16,239 server list server is gone so some dude 1436 01:41:13,880 --> 01:41:20,280 in the community coded a new server list Bungie put up some of their own servers 1437 01:41:17,960 --> 01:41:23,679 to host this stuff and things are rolling again one of the big things in 1438 01:41:21,920 --> 01:41:28,080 the new patch was they did a bunch of small bug fixes so essentially the game 1439 01:41:25,960 --> 01:41:32,480 should have died this month and Bungie was just like nope here's patches fixing 1440 01:41:30,920 --> 01:41:38,679 things here patch is bringing the servers back you guys are good to go and 1441 01:41:35,320 --> 01:41:40,880 that's awesome that's super cool like so 1442 01:41:38,679 --> 01:41:46,400 much more respect for bung so like it's fixing things like upper boundary on 1443 01:41:43,480 --> 01:41:51,239 video resolution fixing things like they're even fixing they fixed active 1444 01:41:48,159 --> 01:41:54,280 camo on NVIDIA cards like they're even 1445 01:41:51,239 --> 01:41:58,920 fixing like graphical stuff never mind 1446 01:41:54,280 --> 01:42:00,040 crashes or like oh man that so cool 1447 01:41:58,920 --> 01:42:04,480 there was a bunch of different members of the community that brought up some of these bugs and like different ways that 1448 01:42:03,080 --> 01:42:08,320 they could fix it and whatnot and then that guy in the community coded this 1449 01:42:06,440 --> 01:42:11,599 list and people I know people are going to come back and be like oh well they 1450 01:42:09,760 --> 01:42:15,880 kept it up because like strong Community Focus and the community kind of fixed 1451 01:42:13,960 --> 01:42:20,280 everything for them doesn't matter this happens all the time yeah there's super 1452 01:42:18,599 --> 01:42:24,080 dedicated people in so many different communities it's insane that ask really 1453 01:42:22,199 --> 01:42:28,679 nicely really allowed to fix it yeah exactly yeah this 1454 01:42:26,360 --> 01:42:32,040 happens all the time it just it took Bungie to actually accept this help and 1455 01:42:30,679 --> 01:42:38,639 actually do it and then thank those people which I think is really cool I think this is just like the the coolest 1456 01:42:35,520 --> 01:42:40,920 most like feeling happy like gaming news 1457 01:42:38,639 --> 01:42:44,679 that like I I just I want to go buy a copy I want to go back and play Halo I 1458 01:42:42,800 --> 01:42:48,159 just want to go buy a copy and like play the heck out of it go play through the 1459 01:42:46,040 --> 01:42:51,920 single player we should like I've wanted to do this a long time okay you know 1460 01:42:49,560 --> 01:42:58,840 what guys you got to let us know you got us let us you got to let us know 1461 01:42:54,040 --> 01:43:01,280 um if we did a very small land event in 1462 01:42:58,840 --> 01:43:05,000 Vancouver would you guys be down to help us cover the costs it would be a very 1463 01:43:03,360 --> 01:43:08,760 small land event and it wouldn't be like at my house or anything so we would have 1464 01:43:06,599 --> 01:43:13,560 to actually get a venue so it might not be that cheap no um but would you guys 1465 01:43:11,280 --> 01:43:18,159 be down to come and hang with us I have to say I haven't played much in the way 1466 01:43:16,119 --> 01:43:22,639 of video games in the last little while and I firmly believe that a land is only 1467 01:43:20,599 --> 01:43:27,280 fun as long as everyone is on the same page and playing the same game so we 1468 01:43:24,760 --> 01:43:31,520 would publish a games list and we would expect people to come and play those 1469 01:43:29,000 --> 01:43:35,760 games and have fun and eat some snacks but would you guys be down to come to 1470 01:43:32,960 --> 01:43:43,400 something like that even if it was like fullon Nazi mode anyone opens wow at 1471 01:43:40,159 --> 01:43:45,880 this land we will literally have him 1472 01:43:43,400 --> 01:43:48,760 pick you up pick up your computer and throw both of you out the door we'll 1473 01:43:47,520 --> 01:43:54,920 bring my brother too just yeah we'll bring your brother too just in case we need some more like thug muscle but 1474 01:43:53,280 --> 01:43:58,320 there you go guys would you be down to come let us know on Twitter I'm not 1475 01:43:56,840 --> 01:44:01,760 going to Blitz it right now but I will definitely check it out later and I'd 1476 01:44:00,440 --> 01:44:05,040 love to see the results of that straw pole that we were that we created before 1477 01:44:03,440 --> 01:44:11,080 so here no no I'm just going to we'll switch over to you here so in was having 1478 01:44:08,040 --> 01:44:13,679 an issue on Firefox but I've got it up 1479 01:44:11,080 --> 01:44:18,040 in Chrome way to be straw pole okay so here we go I did allow multiple votes I 1480 01:44:16,440 --> 01:44:21,599 did allow multiple votes that's how it's going to be so I made it so that people 1481 01:44:19,880 --> 01:44:25,599 could vote for multiple things and a lot of people still just decided to vote for 1482 01:44:23,440 --> 01:44:29,920 one thing and that was the lonus rap battle I I got after you for posting 1483 01:44:27,840 --> 01:44:33,800 like banana and all this other crap and all of our polls so I was like you know 1484 01:44:31,320 --> 01:44:40,599 what whatever I can do it too so lus rap battle wins with 70% of the votes um and 1485 01:44:37,159 --> 01:44:42,400 then the rest of it got almost no votes 1486 01:44:40,599 --> 01:44:47,719 this isn't even like statistically significant not even close so both the 1487 01:44:45,760 --> 01:44:54,119 other options got under 20% I hate you infinitec VR coming in at 1488 01:44:50,840 --> 01:44:56,560 177% and AR not even getting 15% coming 1489 01:44:54,119 --> 01:45:02,440 in at 13% personally I vote for AR running around um but infinite de VR 1490 01:44:59,440 --> 01:45:04,440 would be awesome as well and I think the 1491 01:45:02,440 --> 01:45:10,000 nice smooth experience would probably come first to in infinitec VR style 1492 01:45:07,800 --> 01:45:14,239 gaming right because being able to actively render things in ai ai really 1493 01:45:12,639 --> 01:45:21,239 really well and on the flying stuff I think is not really going to happen for a little while now it's at 69% that's 1494 01:45:17,880 --> 01:45:24,880 perfect all right well on that uh on 1495 01:45:21,239 --> 01:45:27,560 that completely mature and uh you know 1496 01:45:24,880 --> 01:45:32,360 sophisticated note thank you guys very much for tuning in to the WAN Show we'll 1497 01:45:29,320 --> 01:45:33,800 see you guys again next week and uh I 1498 01:45:32,360 --> 01:45:36,960 I'll probably I don't think I'm going to do a garage sale today but I'll come 1499 01:45:35,360 --> 01:45:43,400 back and stream for a couple minutes but then I got to go get the uh got to go 1500 01:45:38,520 --> 01:45:43,400 get the baby so good stuff all 1501 01:45:44,520 --> 01:45:51,400 right seriously you got to pull the thing up way to go well if I 1502 01:46:08,199 --> 01:46:15,520 oh we just had uh talk 46 message us and let us know that the Mario Kart Wii 1503 01:46:12,880 --> 01:46:19,159 Community also managed to create C custom server something well it's a 1504 01:46:17,880 --> 01:46:24,800 tweet so I don't know that the grammar is necessarily correct but there you go 1505 01:46:20,960 --> 01:46:27,320 so that's pretty cool yeah 1506 01:46:24,800 --> 01:46:27,320 o