The WAN Show: STEAM In Home Streaming BETA, AMD Kaveri, Jan 24th, 2014
Linus Tech Tips
·Linus Tech Tips
·2014-05-07
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17,531 words · ~87 min read
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and welcome to the W show guys the show
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where we uh talk about technology and oh whatever screw it if you guys are
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watching this you probably know what we do at this point we've been doing this for like a year more than that more than
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that quite a bit yeah one year anniversary it might be freakishly
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closer to two years yeah I think it's kind a little late on this anyway we've
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got a great show for you guys today we've got steam in home streaming valve
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has finally started letting people try
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the beta um there's mixed reports all over the Internet we're going to be
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discussing that unfortunately we haven't tried it personally yet but that may
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change over the weekend wink wink nud nudge more on that a little bit later
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we've also got that South Korea is working on 5G Wireless connectivity um
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and not just enabling it in handsets but actually developing the infrastructure
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for it so more on that later I guess this is the teaser so it's all
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that later although I'm not saying any that anyone is a I'm just saying
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that the information will come later and there will be more of it what else we
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got there's a candied attempt at trademarking the word candy only a few
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people understand that um and NVIDIA the
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black is back we'll talk about that more later on as well yeah what does the
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black is back even mean
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yeah rabbit sortings all right so let's
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jump into our first topic of the day alien wear's steam machine not
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impossible to upgrade this made waves
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earlier in the week when I believe the article that I saw was also on kataku
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but it was said that alien wears steam machines so this is basically guys just
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a p PC was going to be non upgradable
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and I kind of looked at that and I went well how can you have a PC that's completely non- upgradable I mean you
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should be able to upgrade RAM maybe
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unless they soldered the PCB or unless it was like at a maximum capacity
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already yeah okay which you could technically like I don't know unless it
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was already maxed to the spec of the motherboard I mean you should be able to upgrade your drive even consoles even
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the PlayStation allows you to upgrade the drive on it so I was kind of looking
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at it going okay so it's not upgradeable um and anyway Alienware has come out and
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they have clarified it's not completely impossible to upgrade we just don't
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really recommend it it is smaller and upgrading the internal components will
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not be as easy as compared to other
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platforms but we will not prevent a customer from upgrading is what their
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general manager Frank Azor told Euro gamer so so I guarantee someone will do
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it at least just to prove that they can but that person would have to buy an
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alien wear steam machine in the first place place that's a good point can you
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think of a good reason to buy a steam machine I've I've I talked about this in
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a few I think at least two I'm not sure exactly how many of my videos at CES
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where I would cover something at a booth and I would be like this would really be cool to put in your own built by
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yourself steam machine because you don't need to go buy one I mean is this the is
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this the whole console versus PC conversation all over again my my my
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favorite thing about it too is that everyone's like oh but this machines not
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competing with consoles oh come on that's not what it's supposed to do we
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all love each other like yeah no no it's
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there for a point no you C don't I
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mean um it's it's it's interesting but like I what about people who buy
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pre-built PCS and prefer to just have something delivered to them ready to go
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I mean installing Steam OS might get easier later but right now it's a bit of
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a pain in the ass candy rather um so
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could you recommend to anyone with a straight face to buy a steam machine uh
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yeah like a pre-built one like an alien if there was like literally no one to
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build it for them but I don't know anywhere that there is no one to build
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it for you because places like ncx and I know of a lot of other small computer
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stores as well we just charge you like 50 bucks and then build it for you I
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mean it might be okay as long I mean motherboard and power supply I guess are
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going to be the really challenging ones so while you might be able to squeeze a
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small RAM upgrade or a drive upgrade or even a an intergenerational CPU upgrade
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assuming assuming thermals are okay you're not going to be upgrading it in
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any significant way anyway Alienware just suggests you grab an Alienware X51
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if you ever if you ever actually think you might try to change anything or you
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could build your own or you could just build your own which is yeah probably
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the better way to go in my opinion which brings us to our next steam machine
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topic man I'm so excited for Steam OS being not beta
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anymore although I would settle for beta
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at this point if they were willing to give me the inhome streaming beta are
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you properly set up am I properly set up yeah uh I could be very easily my steam
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machine is downstairs all I'd have to I mean um like is your Steam account yes
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on in the group and stuff yeah yeah so guys um why don't we just do a quick run
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through of what in home streaming is so it's steam's counter to NVIDIA's gam
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stream technology or or really any other
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local streaming technology except much more open and much more flexible I mean
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from the very start it's running in Linux so it's inherently open and
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probably going to be quite you know hackable and play with and then next up
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valve is coming right out and saying look we want you to run the streaming
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service on anything that can possibly handle it or anything at least that can
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run Steam so that means if you wanted to stream from your desktop PC down to a
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little tiny like Gigabyte bricks on your
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TV you could do that if you wanted to stream from your desktop PC to your
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laptop you could do that if you wanted to stream from your laptop to uh a
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tablet with like a controller plugged into it or a Bluetooth controller on it
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you could do that the idea is anything that can run Steam can wirelessly beam a
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game or wirelessly receive a game and then send the controls back the other
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way so theyve released it as a beta and
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the verdicts are kind of rolling in although it's very much unfinished at
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this point and it looks like unless you're running gigabit Ethernet you're
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probably not going to have a terrific experience if you're trying to game at
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1080p 60 FPS but you can play around
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with the settings somewhat so you can change to 30 FPS you can change to 720p
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you can even go down to 720p 30 FPS if you're having trouble but from the
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reports I'm seeing as long as you're running a strong strong dual band so
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that is 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz Wi-Fi connection or you have gigabit Ethernet
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then you're probably going to be able to
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1080p at least will work on the wired
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connection drop down from all of that to wire
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connection well it's just a reality I mean even with NVIDIA Shield so that's
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70 70p UH 60 frames per second 70p 720p
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yeah it's like we've gone back to Commodore 64 resolutions because LOL um
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so that's 720p 60 frames per second and
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unless you're within a very reasonable range of your access point it's not a
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great experience I mean NVIDIA's done a fantastic job of dynamically altering
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the image quality according to what it can handle so I don't know how much
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you've played with it I haven't you took both of them right that is what I did I
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actually haven't touched one other than at the NCIX Lan Okay cool so basically
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what it does is it just reduces color depth whenever it can't handle um
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whenever it can't handle the data rate that it needs so as you move around the house you might have you know really
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great color depth and no blockiness and then if you move further away from your
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access point it might become blocky and and look less clean but but it should
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still be low latency in theory I mean it's not always perfect so I don't know
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how well valves Works in this regard cuz I haven't actually tried it yet but
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there's good news NC Keys has given us
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access to his Steam account he got a B everyone at NC got
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one Wheels got an invite Keys got an invite Jack got an invite neither of
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us got beta access so I'm going to try
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it out I'm going to play around with it I'm going to be using uh I'll run I'll
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run a proper gigabit cable down to my TV
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and then I'll try it with power line cuz I have kind of a Cheesy power
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adapter down there that isn't very good I'll see if that works then I'll try
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Wireless so I'll have to take those ubiquity access points home over the
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weekend but I'm really excited to play around with this uh guys that are
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interested in jumping on the beta it's not the like Steam account beta optin
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that's for other stuff this is you have to go find the inhome streaming group
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and join the group um so it's it's not going to it's not your auto opt-in that
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you might have set on your account settings it's actually more than that
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which some people did not realize ah so stoked about this I mean being able to
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sit in bed and you know fire up the old
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laptop and play desktop grade games with
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a controller like well this brings back the onboard Graphics yeah yeah this
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brings back the uh I'm excited for like next Generation thing but not
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necessarily for valve streaming I want faster internal home networks right so
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that we can actually support all this stuff a lot better because I found especially Wireless has been a big issue
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in this term I would love for you guys to tell us how important this is to you
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tell us how excited you'd be about this but what do you think of trying to get
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our hands on a 4K display and running that on our 10 gig
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Network here cuz we here in the office we have a 10 gabit internal Network
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we're using direct attach copper with SFP plus modules that are built right
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into them we have a 10 gig switch and we have a few 10 gig I have still another
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adapter to spare that we could throw into the steam
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machine and get that fired up well I was thinking we should do like a big Roundup
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so we can just add that as the like extreme ridiculous level of the Roundup
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because we should have like a netbook and a bricks and a gaming laptop and a
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medium desktop and a big desktop and like a 4K setup that sounds like way
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more work well we can exclude some of those but like what I mean is like have
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a range of stuff and show that it's probably mainly Network that actually
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matters right right right I mean one other thing I was even thinking about
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already was like okay MacBook Air has Thunderbolt remember that magma external
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Thunderbolt PCI Express enclosure you throw a 10 gbit adapter in there all of
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a sudden you've got 10 gigabit to 10 gbit to 10 gbit you've got a full 10
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gbit link between a gaming desktop and a
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Mac which can run
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Steam yeah so when once I actually are
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are you trying to like justify the purchase of a of a Macbook or like
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what's what's the what's the point does Debian support
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Thunderbolt uh I would don't know but I don't know
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why it wouldn't yeah cuz you could then you could throw Steam OS on the MacBook
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you could get your beta go that's that's actually interesting I wonder if they do
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so yeah anyway guys uh we'd love to hear
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people are talking about Bieber guys we don't talk about Justin Bieber on this
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show that's just not that's just not a thing that we talk about I'm sorry I
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wish we could because he's just so dreamy looks like it
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does so then we could be looking at pretty much the most lightweight
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possible device running the most balling
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possible Graphics I mean I might not even you did I show you the thing in
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Gigabyte Suite they had um they had an
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external PCI Express like graphics card enclosure okay they actually had this
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thing running using external SAS cables
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and they're like yeah we're kind of working on the interface
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still they just had they had a computer they had a computer that had like holes
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drilled in it and like SAS cables running out of it to to like this
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external enclosure they're like yeah we're oh it was working that's sick it
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was running so they're like yeah we're working on the interface we might use
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like Thunderbolt or usb3 or something I'm like yeah you better do that cuz
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this is this is not a this is not a good idea um hey maybe people could actually
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use the water cooling holes in their computers if they like didn't want to put a graphics card in their desktop for
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whatever reason SAS PCI Express card to
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no it was a propri so proprietary interface card to SAS cables to external
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box that's like ridiculous just why but it would be cool I don't know why but it
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would still be cool um so anyway this
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might have gotten to the point where I just don't care about that anymore
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because if I could just have one device in my house that can stream to anything
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in my house then why would I want a dedicated hard line between that
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graphics card and the other thing so before that thing came out it now
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doesn't really matter yeah and the stupid thing about it is everyone's been
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teasing these external graphics card enclosures for so long and now we've
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gotten to the point where it might just not matter I mean this is my problem
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with the new Mac Pro it relies on this
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nonswitchable non networked interface it
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relies on a point-to-point connection between device device a and device B to
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me that is not the future that is not the connected home that is not the
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connected life that's not the internet of things that's not what it's about
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it's about everything being able to access the same pooled resources you
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know cloud computing is an example of this on a much broader scale but the
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personal cloud is what really excites me so having that machine in your house
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that lives in the closet and now can be full of hard drives for your own
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personal cloud storage and then it can be full of
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graphics cards so you can beam Graphics horsepower to yourself you look at this
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internet connectivity that the Koreans are working on what is it 300 megabit
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per second the 5G stuff yeah no it's Gigabyte sorry what how much Gigabyte I
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must have been looking at the wrong thing one Gigabyte per second yeah they want you to be able to download a movie
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in a second and they want you to be able to access the internet on a 500 mph
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bullet train okay so there you go 1 gab per second connectivity if they can get
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the latencies down enough and remember guys
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we sort of you know freak out about
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input lag and about latency a lot but
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consider this for a moment I can ping
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NVIDIA's gam stream servers at I think it was about 35 milliseconds and that's
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from hundreds of kilometers away I'm I'm well north of Santa Clara okay on a mo
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on a on a wireless connection you might be able to achieve let's say in the
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future a best case scenario if you could achieve 30 to 50 milliseconds of
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ping that might be doable a TV will often have an excess of
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30 to 50 milliseconds of input leg consider that if you can game on a TV if
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you could have a nice low latency display on a device like a shield or a
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phone and pretty much the only delay
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left was that network connection you
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could actually have and if you had a faster home internet so we've got fiber
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here now so even you don't need a ton of bandwidth you just need a consistent
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connection so between fiber and having a consistent wireless connection you could
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actually be looking at beaming your cloud storage your cloud computing to
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yourself pretty much wherever you want that is the future not an octopus of you
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know Thunderbolt cables coming out of one box however beautiful and small and
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actually quiet I finally had a chance to see a new Mac Pro in person and it is
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phenomenally quiet I got to give them that anyway I don't think so the the uh
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5G technology that they're showing off can beam Gigabyte per second over more
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than Gigabyte per second over a distance of two kilometers unbelievable here why
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don't we why don't we launch into that just because I think I'm pretty much done with steam in home streaming and
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you know Candy you valve for not including us in that super unhappy but
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at least I get to try it yeah that's a good point this won't be ready for
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commercial for until about 2020 and they're going to do like testing we're
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not talking about inh home streaming we're talking about which you guys haven't seen yet South Korean 5G I
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wasn't sure you were up yet or not umth Korean 5G are you are you candy um which
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will be ready for testing like I said in 2017 and ready for commercial service in
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20120 hopefully this is a bid for Korea to try and get more on the network
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infrastructure side of things they've been really really big
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obviously hold on hold on just a sec sorry guys sorry guys I got this i
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got this yeah yeah was that running the whole
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time no no no no no I I've been monitoring okay cool don't worry it's
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all good okay okay sorry talk about this so 1.5 billion bucks on movie in a
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second service yeah and this second service was tested a lot by Samsung and
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Samsung was able to beam faster than like I already said faster than Gigabyte
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per second for two kilometers this would enable people to access it on bullet
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trains going faster than 500 km an hour
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which is ridiculous I might have said 500 Miles previously it's 310 mph 500 km
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an hour um that's absurd right now the cap is 300 um km an hour yeah so to put
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this in perspective guys one Gigabyte per second after you know overhead the
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quick and dirty conversion is 10x if you want to get to gigabit so this is
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effectively as fast as a Thunderbolt connection and obviously not every
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individual user is going to get that kind of uh of data throughput all the
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time and much like that test they were doing in London this is a this is a
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proof of concept right now by the time it gets rolled out to mass Market we we
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could be looking at much lower cost infrastructure and sort of the that 820
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rule how can we spend 20% as much as we did on that research project and Achieve
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80% of those results or even 60% of those results but either way if I could
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get anywhere near that if I could get
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100 megabytes per second that would be gigabit speeds on something like this
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now we're talking that's still insane like absolutely insane and the whole
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idea of this is Korea's saying that with 2G 3G and 4G they saw a national boost
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of just like everything like National growth was just better with those
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infrastructures so the idea with 5G is we're going to do that again and the
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idea is that they're going to be producing Network infrastructure so right now they're really big in the
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mobile handheld game but they want to be really big in the infrastructure that
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goes behind pushing data to those they expect to see 20% % of that uh Telecom
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infrastructure by 2020 and I think they're running at about like 4.4% now
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so it's actually a huge increase and given how quickly mobile is growing that
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that 20% could be a lot more than five times or four times what they're doing
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now yeah exactly yeah that's pretty
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crazy Samsung was able to do it by harnessing millimeter wave bands which
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were apparently a huge issue tell me something and I'd love to hear you know
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what let's do a Twitter Blitz we don't do those enough these days that's true
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Twitter Blitz guys would you consider
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moving like let's let's use South Korea as an example okay would you consider
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packing your packing your candy and moving across the globe for better it
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infrastructure if you were living in somewhere with like basically craptastic
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internet that you're paying way too much for would you go okay I'm willing to do
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what so many immigrants have done the other way around let's let's I'm going
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to talk to the North Americans out there you know the people who just drop
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everything and come to this you know the the new world so to speak to to make
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their Fortune would you be willing to do the opposite would you be willing to
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move to South Korea to get much much
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better internet and television service
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and um you know mobile broadband and you
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know access to better handsets and all that kind of stuff are you a technology
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enabled lifestyle enough person that that would matter enough to you to move
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would love to hear from you guys on this how about you personally yes but I think
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ours is at least good enough that I'm not there right
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now what if okay because Define good enough it's good enough for what we do
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with it yeah it's good enough for email it's good enough for streaming
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lowquality video um but nothing you know
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4K or anything obviously what if by
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moving to okay here so stay with me what if 2020 rolls around okay
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Oculus is wirel hold on you know you're
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going to win with this hold on hold on okay so Oculus is Wireless by this time
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dirty okay uh valve has released Steam
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for Android okay okay and you could
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literally be sitting on a train playing
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a game on a bullet train traveling at 500 kmet an hour maybe faster than that
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by then maybe faster than that by then playing a game that's running on your
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desktop at home with full 4K Graphics
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would you move for that experience if back here in North America we're still
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on 4G and we're like figuring out how to play like Netflix on our phones still
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and dealing with uh you know bandwidth caps I could see that I could actually
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see that maybe not for the bullet train thing but there's a billion in one other examples that could work like and the
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bullet train one's not a bad example it's just yeah um that yeah that would
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be pretty cool because there's stuff like people were talking about the the
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valve Hollow deck mhm like if that kind
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by 2020 like they're talking this kind of stuff should be consumer not
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necessarily the Hol deck but like valve is saying that uh that VR should be
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consumer ready and good like actually really good and that's valve saying it
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should be good um in the next like two years it's not 2020 it should be
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freaking epic by 2020 so so it's it's
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it's the the possibilities all the possibilities so yes probably cuz VR I'm
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kind of I'm kind of kind of really liking the whole VR thing all right
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let's go ahead and see what the folks on Twitter think um Johan says no because
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porn is censored in Korea that's actually kind of a valid Hotspot Shield
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yeah actually speaking of uh show sponsors Hotspot Shield is not our
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sponsor today but you used Hotspot Shield in Korea right yep uh we could
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not access any Google services for some reason uh in our hotel lobby and we
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didn't have Wi-Fi we didn't have uh mobile connections at the time so we
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only had Wi-Fi possibilities we had to sit in the hotel lobby and somehow
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communicate with each other so hotot Shield Google services yay yeah anyway
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there you go had a plan to move to oh
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someone was apparently already thinking about it but we don't know who it is anymore where did it
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go oh my goodness what happened there I don't know oh okay here we go here we go
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uh emo polar bear had a plan to move to Sweden for better it and education oh
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that's yeah that's my friend I know him D dartel figures nope nope uh I would
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absolutely move to South Korea for phenomenally better internet it's funny
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because when you talk about country growth and how you can stimulate it
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better infrastructure this is I mean you look at the you look at the candy
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backwards way we're doing it here in Canada where they build a bridge and
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then put a toll on it huge toll an
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enormous toll one that can that one that costs even if you're a regular user and
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you buy a pass about $7 a day to get to and from work I mean when you factor in
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that minimum wage here is $10 and the income tax on a minimum wage earner
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could be anywhere from after sales taxes for things like food could be as much as
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like 30% we're talking about an hour of
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your day an eighth of your day if you're a full-time laborer just across a bridge
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that doesn't even factor in gas and whatever else if you're expected to
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drive a car which if you're in that municipality you pretty much have to
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because the public transit here is terrible I've changed how I get over
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there I I know I Go in different routes cuz it's so expensive
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people were like oh it'll save on gas you don't weigh in traffic that much
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that's the that's that's the candy backwards way of doing things you give
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people things that they need I mean the Romans had this figured out you build
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roads and the the economic advantages will come no we're like well no we have
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to you have to pay us for the road after we build it anyway so South Korea is
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investing they are making their country a better place to live and we're seeing
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it in the responses already yeah I would I would move to I would move to a
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country that offer better infrastructure and better Services anyway so slow bro figures yes
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um Peter figures I would if I had the money and candy is trademark that
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copyright yeah no they're trying I wouldn't move but I would keep it in
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mind if I was ever on a trip near there I would totally move from America says
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Mitch nope in Ohio I got what I need in
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Singapore there's already 1 Gigabyte per second plans not for uh not for mobile
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that's not what we're talking about uh yep yes yes
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no unless they're willing to lower prices change piracy laws and have a
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government like ours # democracy um
27:06
lower prices on what I I don't and I
27:09
don't know what their government system is because I don't I don't no I wouldn't
27:13
but I would appreciate if the Canadian isps would get their candy together yeah
27:17
gotcha if I could still speak English then yes that's an interest but this is
27:20
like it doesn't necessarily have to be Korea as well I think I think the
27:24
question is more would you move I did specifically say Korea though yeah okay
27:28
I sure I'm sure would Can't Get Enough even willing to pay more they just won't
27:33
give it up uh not unless us became more
27:36
terrible okay that's from David I would move from Germany to Korea for
27:40
internet wow look at that no doubt I would jump on the next
27:45
plane this is a lot of people saying yes it's actually a little bit more people
27:49
saying yes than I expected this is a lot more than I was expecting chance asks if
27:53
I've learned about if I've heard about Limelight pie and asks to talk about it
27:57
we were actually discussing that earlier this week um it's not one of our topics
28:00
for the show today specifically but we might as well talk about a little bit um
28:04
the last time I tried Limelight was over a month ago so I don't know if what I'm
28:07
saying is valid anymore but it's a terrible experience this was using an
28:12
NVIDIA shield and then I also tried it on an HTC1 which has a qualcom processor
28:16
so it should support the h264 hardware decoding that is required for the best
28:20
possible experience and it just wasn't very good it was extremely laggy
28:25
compared to uh Nidia gam stream and I'd
28:28
be willing to give it another shot in the next little bit here but um
28:33
basically what chance is asking about is sort of a movement right now to use
28:38
Limelight which is could be used for game streaming and and already kind of
28:41
works on a Raspberry Pi to have a very
28:44
very low power very small very efficient game streaming box for TV really cool
28:50
because if it did work really well I don't know I haven't tried it at all and
28:54
he Tri it a while ago incredibly cheap
28:57
yeah you could basically strap a Raspberry Pi to the back of every single
29:00
display you own and have all your gaming horsepower right there and I think that
29:04
is the future m i mean oh man okay you already have a wireless Bluetooth
29:08
speaker in your shower yep if you could have a wireless waterproof game
29:13
controller in your shower you could have like a tablet dock you could literally
29:17
game in the shower I'd be down I already dance and sing so so you might as well
29:21
game yeah I mean waterproof Oculus okay now we're probably going i' I'd probably
29:26
still do that probably going a little bit just do like Mario under under sea
29:32
levels oh my
29:35
God what the cand is wrong with you
29:38
nothing I like my candy Oculus all right
29:43
uh let's move on to our next topic I think speech recognition hack
29:47
potentially turns Chrome into a an
29:51
advanced bugging device this was posted on the Forum by fushi and the original
29:55
article is by ARS Technica so I think I think you had done a little bit more
29:59
looking into this than I had so it's not like if you just skim it real quick it's
30:03
not quite as bad as it first looks because what happens is you go you have
30:09
to go to a website and tell that website that you can that it can use your mic
30:12
the problem is it's not disabling it when you tell it to so you you tell it
30:17
to disable your mic you go to a different website that website then has to have a popup that you have to not
30:23
close and then it can record what you're saying because that pop-ups there and
30:27
can record it but like the amount of times that that series of events will
30:31
properly happen is I don't think very high although it is still a serious
30:35
problem I'm not saying it's not a serious problem and I can't believe they haven't fixed it as they've known for
30:39
four months which is kind of crazy they say it's not evil but it could very
30:44
easily be used for something bad and
30:47
someone other than the person that found it might find a way to run this say
30:51
without a pop up the second you remove the pop up or pop under um it's I I
30:56
think becomes a much bigger deal yeah because the the second the second there
31:01
isn't that thing that everyone has trained themselves to automatically close
31:04
immediately um is is like way more serious because
31:11
there there's going to be a lot more websites where their voice activated
31:14
Google Now if you go to Google's homepage um has their voice activation
31:19
but not there maybe on Chrome um has
31:23
their yeah I guess it would be Chrome has their voice activation button so
31:26
people that are searching Google Google based on voice that's now a thing and
31:31
then if it wasn't to popup it would be a lot easier for that to happen there we go yeah here it is guys in case you
31:35
haven't seen it yet so the voice activation button just on the right side
31:39
of the search bar so if he presses that and tell me about the privacy issues
31:44
associated with your voice record oh I have to click allow so there you go you
31:47
have to click allow y tell me about the privacy issues that this voice
31:52
activation is going to
31:56
cause oh it was doing so well up till
31:59
then it was all right so there's something about Google Glass something
32:02
about Xbox one anyway that's not really the point of our conversation right now
32:06
so so I think it's slightly sensationalized as I think a lot of
32:09
people freaked out immediately but I really don't think very many people are
32:12
going to run up into this um as people automatically close popups and I don't
32:17
think that many people are using not everyone automatically closes pop-ups I
32:22
mean I think that sometimes you're guilty of this and I think sometimes we
32:25
all are of assuming a level of technical
32:28
competence that other people don't have but it's not that's my thing it's not
32:32
technical competence it's people being annoyed pop unders are completely
32:36
different story and what she's talking about in the video is a pop under
32:39
because you might not notice it and especially with newer for years my mom
32:45
refused to click the x button in the top
32:48
right I've never met someone like that in all my like Tex support years she
32:52
insisted on clicking the little line because she was used to I don't know
32:57
when Windows 3.1 or something where and
33:00
and like even in 3.1 you weren't supposed to do that like everything
33:03
would just be like piled up at the bottom there are people that
33:08
exist that do not close popups but then
33:11
how many of them are going to have a setup that has a mic where they can use
33:15
voice activation for search with a laptop any one of them because that's
33:20
what I just did on my laptop all I had to do was click allow once have you ever
33:23
done that outside of that environment which environment the one we just had on
33:27
the show no yeah but that's not that's not the
33:30
point like someone like you could disguise I mean okay you look at scams
33:34
that you and I kind of laugh at your viruses blah blah blah blah click yes
33:41
now that is what we're talking about here yeah that's very true and like it
33:46
it will happen that's why I'm say I just don't think it'll happen as much and
33:50
because there's going to be such in my opinion a small demographic that you can
33:54
Target with this I don't think there's going to be a crazy amount of we sites
33:58
out there pushing for this because when you're making a virus or something you're looking I think you underestimate
34:02
the market of dumb candies that are out
34:06
there um yeah I know but like that's
34:09
that's the whole thing where people were saying like oh there's no viruses on Max it's because the market was much smaller
34:14
there's more viruses on Windows not because Mac was harder to write viruses
34:17
for but because there was such a larger user base so your target think because
34:21
there are so few people with laptops with microphones no so few people that
34:25
are going to actually do this like like in in in the example in the video she
34:29
goes to a website where you can make a to-do list with your voice yes how many
34:33
people are going to do that not very many like how many how many times is
34:36
someone going to go to a website okay how about this what if you created a
34:40
popup that made someone go to a website
34:43
where it convinced them that their Bank needed a voice clip from them for
34:47
security that's actually not too bad
34:50
that's what I'm trying to say but then how are you pushing that popup some other website like no no but really like
34:56
consider the consider the Nigerian prce scam okay oh I knew this was going to
35:02
come up lose people fall for that that
35:05
it still exists and that they're still doing it enough people actually send
35:10
money to someone never mind just record a voice clip which is seemingly
35:14
completely innocuous this is this is where I lose the argument I knew the
35:18
Nigerian prince was going to come out as the Nigerian prince is like is like if
35:22
we had a card game okay the lonus Media
35:25
Group card game would have the n Prince card and that would be the trump
35:30
card all right you play the Nigerian prince and it's all over yep yep it's
35:34
done it's over I lose I did I the whole time we were talking I was like it's
35:38
going to come out at some point and then I'm
35:42
done totally screwed yeah yeah so they
35:45
need to fix that they do I can't believe it hasn't like even despite what I was
35:49
arguing with um they've known for four months I can't believe it hasn't been
35:53
fixed because like no matter how small of an issue I might think it is it's
35:58
still an issue yeah and it still should have been fixed and they're like oh it's
36:01
not evil but it can very easily be used for evil they even have things where it
36:05
can it can start up the recording based if it hears certain words so if you say
36:09
like NSA or Syria it'll start recording um hashtag killed your wife it could
36:14
probably start recording it could start recording that um and and it can it can
36:17
like manipulate that text so it can it can take that text and save it somewhere
36:21
specifically be easily because it shows in the video she says NSA in Syria and
36:26
it like bolds it makes it big formats a
36:29
little bit makes it red meaning that you could pull those out easily with a
36:33
different program and then save them somewhere right speaking of privacy concerns
36:39
Microsoft offers overseas data storage in response to NSA concerns this is
36:43
posted by hdz X on the Forum and the original article is from The Verge this
36:49
to me is I okay like everyone else is probably talking about the implications
36:54
of the overseas data storage and that
36:58
may or may not actually affect the nsa's ability to steal the data I mean it
37:02
would probably cause more of a fuss with the local government of wherever the
37:05
data storage is um but it seems like
37:09
they haven't cared about that in the past so I don't know how much that'll
37:13
help but to me this is more of a
37:16
potential long-term extremely dangerous path that the US is
37:21
headed down yep I I mean right now one
37:25
of you look to you look to the the huge
37:28
us-based corporations that are are driving
37:32
Revenue into the country the microsofts and Googles and apples of the world if
37:37
you candy those guys off enough why wouldn't they just leave and
37:42
this could be a thickly veiled attempt
37:46
to slowly move infrastructure out so you can move out so all of a sudden
37:50
Microsoft has been forced not even necessarily because they want to but
37:54
they have been forced to move
37:58
their resources out of the country not only that but remember the whole like
38:03
made in the USA and I mean I'm talking North America in general you know um uh
38:08
Apple's push new Mac Pro assembled in the USA you know that being a selling
38:12
point all of a sudden the US government
38:15
has created so much negativity around this data security and
38:20
privacy issue that now it is a selling point that they've outsourced it there's
38:26
there's actually there's a there was mainly a while ago uh not really now as
38:30
far as I can tell a huge phobia boat made in China well there always is but
38:34
um because of security issues what if they bugged the chip or what if they did
38:39
whatever right so so people were worried about that a lot and I see less people
38:42
worried about that now and now people are worried about that in America yeah
38:46
which just like how did you screw that up so hard well actually we know exactly
38:50
how they screwed that up so hard so that's that's extremely that's
38:56
extremely troubling to me how they could have let this get so far out of hand so
39:02
there there's there's a few things that people are bringing up which you already dismissed some of them but um like like
39:07
there's the thing brought up a while ago how the NSA had actually penetrated into
39:11
Microsoft Yahoo and Google and all all like a ton of different guys internal
39:14
networks so like does this even help
39:18
maybe not they probably still in there I don't know but either way Microsoft is
39:21
moving out and like you said the biggest thing probably is the fact that they are
39:25
moving infrastructure out and they could potentially move they would have already
39:28
needed data centers overseas but now
39:32
they have an excuse to move more of it yeah more exactly interesting more
39:37
Microsoft news yeah that's not all that's not all positive for Microsoft
39:41
this week there is a big hubub around uh
39:44
Microsoft paying YouTubers for mentions
39:48
so let's go ahead and fire that up over here this is posted on the form by devil
39:52
Z and uh dude you really got to flesh
39:56
things out a little a little bit more the original article is from RS Technica
40:00
so stealth marketing Microsoft paying YouTubers for Xbox One mentions so
40:06
Microsoft was involved Machinima the multi Channel network was involved and
40:10
I'd like to start by saying that we have nothing to do with Machinima and just
40:14
because some YouTubers are partnered with Machinima doesn't necessarily mean they're bad people it just means they
40:18
might have gotten suckered a little bit machinima's reputation among the
40:22
YouTuber Community is quite negative they've done some pretty shady stuff
40:27
over over the years uh including things like uh Perpetual contracts with
40:31
YouTubers which are illegal and then Perpetual contracts with underage
40:35
YouTubers which is illegal too so
40:38
they're both illegal and then pressuring these people and making them feel like
40:42
they can't leave and they can't get out like Machinima has not always been the
40:46
most um straight edge company
40:50
necessarily but with that said um you
40:54
know what okay you know what here I'll let you explain what was going going on
40:57
and then I'll I'll weigh in with my Spiel I'd love to hear what you guys
41:00
think on Twitter about this as well lineus tech on Twitter explain what you
41:05
was going on as in like how they were doing it or why yeah just talk about what happened so there's they they
41:09
proposed a $3 CPM so you'd get three extra dollars per thousand views that
41:14
you got and there was just a lot by the way it's it adds up there was some
41:18
prerequisites though you had to be a mission and a partner you had to have at
41:21
least 30 seconds of Xbox One game footage you had to mention the Xbox One
41:25
by name and you had to include the tag xb1
41:29
M13 um there was also a few other things like in the guidelines for it may not
41:36
say anything negative or disparaging about Machinima Xbox One or any of its
41:41
games so it had to include footage you had to mention Xbox One by name and you
41:46
had to be positive no matter what you don't have to be positive you can't say
41:50
anything disparaging okay that there's a
41:53
difference I guess you could be neutral you could be neutral you could be neutral so it' be positive or
41:57
but if they put a clause that says don't say anything negative I think the
42:02
implication is you should say something positive so you're not wrong you're just
42:05
not necessarily technically right yeah okay go ahead um so so this and like
42:11
quite a few people jumped on it actually and Machinima got flamed for it and then
42:14
there's other big problems like uh the main thing being that I don't think too
42:19
many people would have had a big problem with it if they were open about it a lot
42:23
of YouTubers did this without mentioning the whole Kickback thing because I I
42:27
think it had to be confidential um I think there's actually somewhere in here
42:30
yeah it had to be confidential in some form uh you must also keep details of
42:35
the promotional agreement confidential in order to qualify for payment so the
42:38
idea is if if it was super transparent I don't think too many people would have
42:42
cared much but because it was so shady a
42:45
lot of people cared there's actually FTC guidelines saying that say you received
42:49
a gift from someone and then you did a
42:52
did coverage on it in some way it has to be necessarily A gift like even a review
42:56
sample yeah um actually I don't know if a review
42:59
sample qual yeah yeah I think it does you have to you have to you have to
43:03
specify and that's this is in America in Canada I actually don't have to tell you
43:07
guys that I got a sample I think it's implied though um because usually I'll
43:10
tell you guys I bought it if it isn't a review sample so yeah and then throwing
43:14
that out there extra things like like the Oculus review that's coming out or
43:18
came out I guess from me I bought that and then there's a Wii U one coming out
43:21
soon that was purchased as well like usually unless it's like unboxing BL
43:27
blah blah blah blah blah we we actually bought it yeah um yeah I guess that's my
43:31
take on it so um problem or not a
43:35
problem I think a
43:38
problem I think there is a problem here
43:42
but not necessarily for the reasons that a lot of people think I think the clause
43:48
about not saying anything disparaging about Microsoft Machinima or games is
43:57
maybe I don't actually think that's necessarily that bad because it's
44:01
implied it's implied and and well okay the problem is if you had something
44:06
negative to say just don't take it yes
44:09
yeah so like if if you take you can take this bonus you have to say something
44:13
nice you cannot take this bonus and say whatever the hell you want there's candy
44:17
whatever the candy you want it's it's optional so that I don't necessarily
44:21
mind I don't like the you have to keep it confidential blah blah blah so here's
44:26
the thing um for example our Squarespace sponsorship um there's a confidentiality
44:32
class okay I can't tell you guys how
44:35
much Squarespace is paying us when they sponsor the L
44:39
show for example it's the so and I'm not
44:43
saying that's the same thing that's not I'm just saying that it's fairly typical
44:47
for a sponsorship or advertising agreement to have some kind of
44:51
confidentiality it's not the it's not the fact that there is one it's the
44:55
details within no you're right you're
44:58
right I am 100% allowed to disclose that
45:02
Squarespace is a sponsor of the show and in fact I feel quite strongly that
45:05
anyone who is sponsoring us anyone who is directly giving us money to bring our
45:10
content to you guys you guys should know about it because you guys should be
45:15
like good job Squarespace for recognizing that we like this content
45:19
and we want to see more of it thank you very much for allowing lonus and his
45:22
team to keep making it I mean I personally think that sponsorships
45:27
support should be as public as possible and you guys are more than welcome to
45:30
ask me at any time who our sponsors are and I will be happy to tell you yes this
45:35
was paid for this wasn't paid for and these guys are sponsors or these guys
45:39
are not sponsors that's all great um no
45:43
look at that Hotspot Shield just sent me an email Hotspot Shield happens to be a
45:46
sponsor as well the issue here more than anything else is not disclosing that
45:52
Microsoft I mean even if you were to say even if they were to say something as
45:56
simple as um Microsoft asked me to do
45:59
this Xbox one gameplay video yeah so I want to take a moment to
46:05
thank Microsoft and talk to you guys a
46:08
little bit about the Xbox One and show you this gameplay Fin and like like the
46:12
fact that they said it has to be positive doesn't necessarily mean that
46:15
it's skewing the person's views person might have already had positive things
46:19
to say about it so they're not I don't that that part I yeah I don't on the
46:24
other hand it might have and I think when you look at at the terms of this
46:27
campaign it seems to be designed to Target guys who otherwise might not
46:33
necessarily have been talking about the Xbox one but with all of that said
46:38
everyone who took the money knew the terms before they took the
46:43
money yep so if you have a problem with
46:48
the way that any of this was implemented then take it up with the
46:52
YouTuber I mean I don't agree with Microsoft's approach and I don't
46:57
particularly care for machinima's way of doing business either let's make that
47:00
abundantly clear but if you don't like what a YouTuber is taking money for your
47:05
issue is with the YouTuber not necessarily with the sponsor you'll
47:09
notice we don't have an Xbox One video no we don't we have an Xbox one
47:14
it's over there in a corner collecting dust like it should be has it turned on
47:19
the image comparon hold on let's do 30 seconds of uh gameplay footage we can
47:24
show like the gameplay versus PC footage cuz all we said is it was sitting there
47:27
we didn't say it was doing a bad job it's doing a quite good job of sitting
47:31
there yeah it's it looks great it hasn't broken the
47:36
connect yeah not broken Xbox one because
47:40
we haven't turned it on oh love it I
47:43
guess is it's like it's like a what is it Syler no whatever apparently someone
47:47
from PC Master race subreddit got an email to promote the Xbox one I mean
47:51
Gorilla Marketing is not a new thing there's also someone in here telling us
47:56
that we're in sponsored believe it or not we're not NVIDIA hasn't done any
48:00
paid promotion with us in about a
48:05
year so there you go oh man um all right
48:10
let's move on to our next topic I guess speak of NVIDIA sponsorship speaking of
48:13
oh what's going on AMD oh yeah let's talk about no let's do the NVIDIA topic
48:17
first okay yeah here we go all right so we've got an NVIDIA topic here for you
48:21
guys black is back this is just a rumor
48:24
but I hope there's well actually I don't know what I think about this rumor it might just be a totally stupid rumor it
48:29
was posted by brown ninja 97 on the Forum the original article is from video
48:35
cards.com so there you go NVIDIA to launch GeForce GTX Titan Black Edition
48:41
and GeForce GTX 790 the Titan Black Edition looks like a somewhat real
48:45
mockup that GTX 790 no does not look like a real thing
48:49
at all looks like the Titan one with an MS paint black thing and then like some
48:53
text over it and maybe sort of the correct font
48:57
um but basically the rumor is that the 790 would be a dual gk10 card which is
49:04
got to be difficult kind of terrifying obviously it wouldn't have the same
49:09
clock speeds or all the same functional units um and then the Titan Black
49:13
Edition is rumored to be a fully unlocked because remember the original
49:17
GTX Titan does not have all of the gk110
49:21
functional units it actually is missing some Cuda cor smx's I guess they call
49:24
them now um but we might see so we might see that
49:29
card come in with there's rumors about memory bus there's rumors about how much
49:33
memory will be on them but we might get a replacement for Titan because remember
49:36
Titan doesn't make any sense for a gamer anymore unless you're running like 4K
49:41
surround every single time we say this and like someone got super pissed on I
49:46
think it was 780 super candied on the 780 Ti video because I said uh Titans
49:52
aren't really gaming cards anymore like
49:55
super candy and I was like man if you bought bought it a long time ago and
49:59
you've enjoyed it this entire time that's totally fine I'm not saying
50:02
that's a bad thing I'm saying like if you're looking into it now and you're strictly looking to buy a gaming card
50:08
Titan makes this much sense yeah unless you you need the extra frame buffer
50:13
otherwise GTX 780 Ti is better in every possible way and cheaper yeah um so so a
50:18
Titan refresh because remember Titan is not valid for gaming but it's very
50:22
important for Cuda developers or anyone who wants to use the double precision
50:32
beanch ful unlocked yeah so I just don't I don't
50:37
know if I buy this cuz the rumor says launch date February 2014 to March 2014
50:44
but that's Maxwell time frame y y um I I
50:49
I find it very odd now now especially with the 790 with like the the crappy
50:53
paint overlay um but the the the Titan
50:56
black Black Edition we've seen leaks of that colored cooler before yes we have
51:01
so it could have easily just been like oh we're going to turn it make it
51:05
vertical put it in this line and then yay um so I'm not entirely sure about
51:09
that it could be real and I wouldn't be surprised because when the 78 TI came
51:13
out we talked about like why isn't there one with six gigs yeah what the heck
51:19
maybe that's to Titan Black Edition yeah so I'm would not be surprised if that
51:23
one's real I would be fairly surprised if the 790 is real cuz I mean well the
51:27
thing about a 790 is if they did manage to keep power and thermals under control
51:32
I mean remember too 780 Ti is still
51:35
kicks out less heat and consumes less power than the competing AMD cards yeah
51:41
so if they did manage to cram two of them onto a PCB it would probably be
51:45
significantly faster than even whatever Maxwell can cook up yeah like it's the
51:50
only reason why I'm like naying it a little bit is just cuz that's got to be
51:54
hard and it's got to be expensive it's a big die expensive like it says like 999
51:59
plus I expect that plus to be fairly large NVIDIA hasn't done that yet
52:04
they've done 9.99 quite a few times in the past I believe 6800 Ultra was up
52:09
near that price point let me just let me just double check I think 6800 Ultra was
52:14
when um MSRP at launch hold on was when
52:18
the the super expensive graphics card thing really
52:21
happened um and then they did it again with 8,800 ultra that was ,000 card but
52:27
they've never gone above that as far as I remember I just the only reason why I
52:31
say that is because with the Titan Black Edition coming right behind it like
52:35
right behind it at 999 it seems weird to
52:39
release a 790 right after that at 999
52:42
again well why not because they had 590 running at 999 at the same time at or uh
52:48
rather 690 running at 999 at the same time as Titan where the 690 was the
52:53
gaming card and the Titan was the compute and also because it had a much
52:58
better GPU gaming card but if they had a 790 and a Titan black at 999 I don't see
53:03
why that's an issue necessarily that would just be interesting and I think we'd have the same thing we had with uh
53:08
early Titan adopters with the Titan black where they'd be like why why did
53:12
this happen although SLI is kind of still I'm still not a huge fan of two
53:18
chips what are you looking up sir I'm trying to find that pricing so FX 5950
53:24
380 bucks 6,800 Ultra extreme was only 600 I was wrong so that was that was the
53:30
top tier unobtainium card along with the x800 XT Platinum Edition both of which
53:34
were very difficult to find and were basically just vaporware uh so 8800
53:39
Ultra might have been the first one then okay but at any rate it's all rumors
53:44
right now we don't know if any of that is true I actually have heard nothing
53:48
from NVIDIA about any of this stuff so there you go all right January 24th oh
53:53
why am I even saying that AMD
53:57
the title of the document I know all
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right so there's been some talk about cavar and some of the things that AMD
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could or could not have done and may or may not do oh I think I asked them for a
54:09
Twitter Blitz let's go let's go back to the Twitter Blitz call don't forget the
54:12
Twitter Blitz you guys actually didn't get that message from anyone but I
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figure that's what someone would say if they thought we forgot the Twitter blps
54:22
is that the Ubuntu font on your Twitter handle in the lower third dude I have no
54:25
idea um isn't there a law in the US that says
54:29
paid content has to be disclosed um if you receive the item for free so that
54:35
there's so for the sake of full disclosure you have to be like yo I got
54:39
this for free so take whatever I say that's positive about it with a grain of
54:42
salt in Canada that law does not exist and I'm Canadian although we kind of
54:47
usually yeah say so anyways we're not and and we take it upon ourselves to say
54:52
negative things even if it was free opinions should not be bought the
54:55
viewers are the victim not the I didn't say the YouTubers were the victim I said
54:59
they were the culprit yeah I think you're misunderstanding what I
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said Terry says the issue is that there
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is such a Negative um stigma about the
55:10
Xbox one that it would create more negativity if they were open about this
55:14
but it creates even more if they get caught more yeah and you know what it's
55:17
funny that you mention the negativity around Xbox one because it's really a
55:21
lot of it seems unfair it's not PS4 is not not
55:27
revolutionarily better than Xbox one yeah it's faster Hardware wise and it
55:31
does have some advantages but Sony is
55:34
every bit as evil as Microsoft like let's not kid ourselves Sony is the king
55:41
of proprietary oh yeah although Microsoft's whole thing with the chat
55:45
cable on the Xbox One the chat cable yeah Xbox 360 compatible headsets need a
55:52
proprietary adapter that you must buy from Microsoft in order to plug any
55:56
other microphone into it it's pretty ridiculous um and then the fact that the
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controller doesn't work on PC anyway Sony has a long history mini dis memory
56:05
stick um the the memory units that go
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into their professional grade camcorders at every turn they try to make things
56:12
proprietary and horrible so you know let's not let's not Herald them as a
56:17
white knight just yet so I do is this is this like the fastest car on the road
56:21
argument though H like the PlayStation
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isn't necessarily a white night but the Xbox is a lot
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darker they're both speeding just one of them speeding a lot more diit says
56:36
please do not understand underestimate the stupidity of the human race I try
56:40
Xbox is better than PC says Logan good luck with that um confidentiality oh no
56:46
oh why do I keep I don't have enough margin for error here I need more margin
56:51
for error uh if it were fully disclosed then absolutely no problem with it being
56:56
hidden but that's terrible someone should be sued I don't think lawsuits
56:59
are necessarily always the answer either uh okay let's go ahead and go down isn't
57:03
there a law that says paid content has to be disclosed I don't think so I mean
57:07
it's not like we go to a movie theater and they tell you like hey we were paid
57:11
to make this I think sometimes it's implied I don't think it always has to
57:14
be explicitly said I think it doesn't H I think it has to be not
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hidden like it it was specifically hidden they wer placement
57:23
hidden if the main character you if you
57:27
a frosty mug of whatever ale someone's trying to sell and looks at the camera
57:31
like this come on how many times have we seen that but if you like somehow ask
57:34
them they wouldn't say no and like a lot of times you can actually figure out
57:38
exactly how much money was put into product so it comes down to that confidentiality Clause yeah yeah I think
57:43
that's the problem some $3 is pretty low
57:46
for breaking FTC guidelines yeah potentially although $3 it's a good CPM
57:51
but it's like he said you're breaking FTC G like if we could generate 100,000
57:56
views like a lot of game streamers can and pump out like five videos we're
58:00
talking like 15 grand for like five videos if you can
58:04
reach 100,000 views with them I mean that's that's this is bad for the
58:08
consumer but doesn't happen all the time yes seems super Shady but from what I
58:12
heard this is more of a Machinima bad than a Microsoft one and that's actually
58:16
interesting and like I said the blame lies not not necessarily on one head
58:23
here why you know tweet you started um I
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uploaded the video that should have created a tweet in theory
58:31
unchecked oh bollocks oh whoops we probably should
58:37
have tweeted that uh it's okay what do
58:40
you use for your Pebble watch face I'm actually a total loser and I use one of
58:43
the default ones I haven't played around with the pebble nearly as much as I
58:47
probably should have and now that they're releasing their app store soon I've gotten kind of lazy about it so I'm
58:51
just going to wait for that also I have a qualcom talk coming soon so that'll be
58:55
an excuse to really into the pebble and really spend some time with it so I can
58:59
uh be properly comparative between the two of them Google Voice would be cool
59:02
for online shopping or doing research papers that's what they want you to
59:06
think I posted this in the Forum about a new cooling option now's not really a
59:09
time for us to be following links and reading stuff sorry 762 ASR 780
59:14
personally I'd go 780 yeah we we're both
59:18
more um more single card Guys these days
59:22
I believe candy is already trademarked although um did you run into any issues
59:27
testing 780 tili on that rig I'm just curious no
59:32
okay um but like a little bit of tearing actually but but tearing is tearing
59:37
that's probably just because your frame rate was so high yeah but no like no
59:40
driver issues no game Crash nothing like that yeah cuz I mean our whole single
59:44
cards are better sort of based on neither of us having run an SLI setup in
59:47
a couple of generations now but then
59:50
I've built systems for people that requested SLI that have had problems
59:53
later on there you go I'd move have you heard about the Intel
59:58
nuck yes I've heard of the Intel nuck um and yeah it could be interesting
60:03
with steam streaming in mind just like any small low power PC someone says did
60:06
you forget to post that the show is up considering we have 3,600 viewers uh
60:11
yeah no the the actual post did go up
60:14
all right uh just come over to Oz and get great internet no I don't think so
60:20
back into the we're back into the internet debate so there you go that was all we really got for the whole
60:24
Microsoft marketing thing all right so let's talk about AMD's
60:29
potential with cavari so cavari for those of you who don't know is AMD's New
60:33
Generation Apu so that is a CPU and a GPU fused into one and now with even
60:40
more benefit to that than before because
60:43
um if I recall correctly Intel was actually the first one with Lindfield to
60:47
ship a CPU and a GPU on the same core even though they weren't on the same die
60:52
there was actually a GPU uh die and then a CPU die right next to each other with
60:56
a fast interconnect um so while AMD wasn't necessarily the first one to
61:00
deliver an APU to Market they are the ones calling it Apu and they have
61:05
finally Justified that with the highest technology Apu that we've ever seen and
61:10
it Now features HSA so that's
61:13
heterogeneous system architecture which means that an APU has four CPU cores and
61:18
up to eight GPU cores and AMD is basically going well we're going to call
61:21
that 12 cores now don't worry on the box they still specify what kind of cores
61:26
the 12r but we're going to call it 12 cores because that processor is now
61:31
capable of at the same time working on
61:34
up to 12 discrete threads even if
61:38
they're all part of the same task because of its Huma technology the CPU
61:43
course and the GPU course can both access the same memory at the same time
61:49
so they can both use your system RAM and work on the same tasks and collaborate
61:54
as opposed to the GPU course sitting and waiting for instructions from the CPU
61:58
and then passing information back and forth over PCI Express this is extremely
62:03
exciting and it also has huge implications for the value of higher-end
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memory subsystems in desktop PCS it's
62:12
been quite a while um actually it's been
62:15
since the memory controller moved on die
62:19
since higher speed memory has really made much of a difference uh like within
62:24
a single CPU generation so we've gone all the way from
62:28
DDR to DDR 3 without see like whats like
62:32
a generational leap in memory performance it's just kind of been
62:36
incremental small improvements as processes as manufacturing processes
62:40
have improved over time now I mean a
62:44
andd was according to this article so the original article is from um actually
62:49
there's a lot of Articles linked here so one from Anon uh there's one from
62:56
hard hot hardware and then there's another one
63:02
from wow that top one SL dot slash dot
63:06
okay and then another one from slash dot okay so it was posted by Vitalis on the
63:10
Forum and there's some there's some evidence suggesting that AMD considered
63:16
gddr5 for cavar there's also so why
63:19
would they do that well I pulled up uh this so this is a oh oh balls oh where'
63:26
it go where did it go oh no where did that Corsair blog go
63:33
history man come on was it in Chrome yeah it
63:37
might have been in Chrome make sure you don't activate your mic and ignore a
63:40
popup recent tabs come back to me come
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back to me recent tabs recently closed oh no
63:49
a if you were candy ready for this we wouldn't be going through this right
63:54
now I wonder if like how many people get
63:57
that here we go all right I found it all right guys so Corsair has an
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interesting blog showing us the Improvement and perform oh right right
64:05
right so I was going to say we haven't seen much of a difference even with things like Intel um launching triple
64:11
Channel and quad Channel memory controllers if you go back and look at
64:15
some of the old reviews back when LGA 1366 and 2011 launched of folks going
64:20
okay well let's try single Channel dual Channel triple Channel quad Channel yeah
64:24
not much of a difference because latency actually goes up as you add more
64:29
channels whereas the bandwidth also
64:32
increases but if those two performance
64:35
so higher latency is bad and higher bandwidth is good and a lot of the times
64:39
they were almost pretty much offsetting each other to the point where it really
64:42
didn't make much difference at all well now we could be looking at a different
64:45
situation so this is from Corsair's blog and uh let's see who wrote it this is by
64:50
Dustin Dustin sclavos so he used to work
64:53
for ntech um so he's doing some interesting testing here so this is
64:57
memory bandwidth going from 1600 to 1866
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to 2133 to 2400 so you can see that the
65:04
read and write performance which are the blue and the red lines so particularly
65:11
the blue one faster reads um are increasing as we add more bandwidth even
65:15
though latencies are also increasing and this is amounting to check this
65:21
out did you mean blue and green no no
65:25
right um these are amounting to check this out so these are different games
65:29
BioShock Infinite 720p uh BioShock Infinite 1080p Grid 2 720p and Grid 2
65:35
1080p an almost matching line when using
65:40
the onboard Graphics wow so if you could potentially
65:46
I don't know uh add and this is another thing that is rumored to to potentially
65:50
be in there if you could add quad Channel memory support or you could have
65:54
memory that runs at you know two times the frequency we could be looking at
65:59
onboard Graphics that absolutely destroy
66:02
anything anyone could do with integrated Graphics in the past and you might go
66:06
okay well iess that's very interesting I guess onboard Graphics are kind of
66:11
cool but think about this what about HSA
66:15
then so let's say you add a discret graphics card to your system that's cool
66:19
okay you game on that but what if uh
66:22
your Photoshop filters or your
66:26
premere um or or or Premiere
66:30
or I'm drawing a complete blank after effects or whatever kind of prograde
66:35
visual effects program you're using could be accelerated by those GPU cores
66:39
and you could increase the speed of them a couple times just by having faster
66:45
memory wow and considering some of the demos that we saw at the cavar tech day
66:50
we could be looking at I mean already cavar in an optimized environment which
66:55
is easier to code for than it has been in the past because it's all compliant
66:59
with opencl 2.0 already they're leaving
67:02
competitors in the dust we could be looking at a whole new world of
67:05
performance with faster memory for the first time in a very long time outside
67:09
of the server space I think AMD's timing could not have been better because this
67:14
time last year all doom and gloom will
67:19
AMD exist in however long like look at
67:22
their stock levels look at how much money they lost all this kind of stuff and now now it's it's Intel sitting
67:27
there with a few series of processors being released and people still liking
67:31
2600 K and 2500 K more than some of the
67:34
new ones um myself still running a 2600k
67:38
and being completely fine and happy with it because I don't see that much of a
67:42
gain by moving up um comparing to AMD
67:45
where it's like look at all this stuff we're doing right now and look at all this stuff we might be doing in the
67:49
future and look at all this stuff we almost did and look at all these things we're planning for and what about these
67:53
theoretical combinations of things that could be amazing and like I don't know I
67:57
see AMD moving much more aggressively in the next little while yeah it's uh very
68:01
very very exciting speaking of things that are
68:05
exciting this isn't really you see why I
68:08
hate this thing touch touch to click doesn't work see not enabled so why is
68:15
it that palm detection is causing me to lose focus on
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a
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window what is going on here
68:26
no one can see that happen trying to do a sponsor read here all right so thank
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that the limit is your imagination you can use their easy website creation
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tools or you can dive right into the HTML CSS and Java code should you see
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fit but that's not all they've actually got something new that they asked me
69:19
very nicely to take a look at and I was like sure Candy template no not so much
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it's a logo maker so if you go to squarespace.com logo or
69:28
if you just go to their website and go to the menu
69:31
here and then go to logos you will load
69:35
up the logo maker so this is actually kind of cool I I created a little logo
69:39
here um which took me just a couple of moments so you just key in some text so
69:44
it could be like uh oops no come back
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there we go you can use controllers on PCS the W show and then uh
69:55
weekly analysis and news okay well it
69:59
can't help you spell any better but what it does allow you to do is move things
70:03
around you can take your little logos
70:06
here they have a little search thing here so they have some default ones and I was actually a little bit confused
70:10
about this at first I was like oh really I can have a pig a diamond a fish or
70:15
like a raccoon thank you for the uh compelling choice of Squarespace no no
70:20
don't worry it's better than that so you just go ahead and search for symbols so
70:23
I punched in Tech and it came up with a bunch of much more relevant
70:27
stuff figures it says no icon now you know what's funny is I was actually
70:31
doing this on a mobile connection and that was working just fine there we
70:36
go Y and there you go you get like printers and CDs and game boys and cool
70:41
stuff like that so all of a sudden you can create yourself a little logo you
70:44
can change the spacing of the grid you can move things around you can be like
70:49
okay I want this to go over here you can make it snap to things you can align it
70:53
that way and then it gives you a cool little pre of what your logo will look like on a
70:57
business card on a website a Squarespace website
71:03
presumably and on a t-shirt that actually looks not bad hey that actually
71:07
looks pretty okay so to be clear they're not replacing graphic designers and and
71:12
brand um creators they're just creating
71:16
like the fastest cheapest easiest way for you to get a logo that's usable and
71:21
ready for you to put on your website that you presumably also create on squarespace.com there's some kind of a
71:26
rate for how much you can pay to get a logo but it's free for anyone who has a
71:29
Squarespace membership and I realize I didn't actually put our lower third back
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so I realized that I didn't actually say guys visit squarespace.com Linus get a
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free trial and then get up to 10 or get up to wow see I knew it was bad to go
71:42
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71:47
Squarespace using offer code Linus one so that includes the website includes
71:51
the monthly hosting and also includes their new logo Builder and then and then
71:55
they also very nicely asked me to mention uh Squarespace Super Bowl so
72:00
they're going to have a Super Bowl commercial really I was like really they
72:03
have millions and millions of dollars that's what I said apparently that's
72:07
awesome so blah blah blah Squarespace oh hold on do they have like a leak of it
72:11
can we watch it they Super Bowl commercials are pretty legit it's not
72:14
leaked they they only have a teaser so
72:18
they they asked me to show the teaser and I was like yeah sure yeah why not I
72:21
mean Super Bowl ads are kind of kind of awesome I'm down with Super Bowl ads all
72:25
right where's the teaser video even if I somehow miss the Super Bowl I usually
72:28
just go back on YouTube and watch all the ads Super Bowl ads are usually
72:32
pretty legit here it is okay there we go
72:36
there's a giant baby there is definitely a giant baby in their
72:41
teaser can you just be less of a huge
72:44
piece of crap thank you there we go all right it's funny because I was so glad
72:48
to have my laptop back for this week all right here we go it's only about 15
72:52
seconds long
73:09
so presumably it's something to do with their whole quest of making the web not
73:13
look like a bunch of geoc City's websites and like flashing banners and
73:17
stuff like that so their whole thing is is beautiful design and tastefulness and
73:22
that logo creator like two seconds in it
73:25
looks pretty good yeah it's better than what I could do in paint paint.net
73:29
paint.net on the other hand maybe I could do better uh but it would take
73:34
more time yes what really you don't think I could
73:38
do better than that in pain did you not see the Uproar for your little badge
73:43
things I'm still trying to figure out what I'm going to do about that speaking
73:47
of uproar apple is relaunching the iPhone 4
73:52
at a very very appealing price of only
73:56
$370 for super old technology seriously
73:59
Apple what are you doing they probably don't know you can't answer that
74:03
question I have no idea I mean if anyone at Apple's watching I mean Tim if you're
74:08
watching give me a call right here let
74:11
me know what's going on man like how how can you possibly expect people like I
74:16
understand why the iPhone 4 is still legitimately expensive I do get it and
74:20
what did it have something like four gigs of uh storage yeah
74:26
eight is it eight 8 gab mobile models yeah yeah eight gig models uh one gz
74:32
single core CPU 512 Megs RAM 5 megapixel rear camera it just it sounds so old
74:38
like it doesn't seem that bad necessarily when you're using it then you read this specs on paper and you're
74:42
just like like I understand why it's still expensive because the actual like
74:47
tooling of it and the like the fit and finish of it is beautiful up there with
74:52
almost any modern Android pretty much any modern andro phone L plastic yeah a
74:57
lot of plastic junk on the Android side but to expect like to think that first
75:02
of all to think that 5c was going to be your value model at $100 cheaper than a
75:08
5S come on really to think that iPhone 4
75:13
I mean you're not even giving them the 4S to think that iPhone 4 is a value at
75:20
$370 is insane I don't imagine that this
75:24
is going to be a big success for them I mean the problem that they have over
75:27
there is that fewer carrier subsidies uh prevent people from buying expensive
75:31
phones well when you're considering that Motorola is talking about a $50
75:38
smartphone and that they already have the um the Moto G which is a
75:44
$200 actually fairly compelling smartphone I've just started working on
75:48
my review of it I know I'm a little bit late but sorry we we we're pretty late
75:53
on a lot of our yeah we're pretty late on almost every phone so holding a Moto
75:57
G and holding an iPhone 4 I can go yeah this is a beautiful device but this one
76:01
is way more functional in every possible
76:04
way I I just think this is ridiculous it's it's pretty dumb they just have no
76:09
grasp on reality I think in that area we should do the next one someone's like
76:13
lonus why are you so mad why am I going to get mad again oh no this isn't a mad
76:17
thing no no I'm saying we should do it's a it's there's you put optional in
76:22
Brackets this isy I'm saying we should do it calling all members of the LTT
76:25
Forum World Cancer Day 2014 basically
76:28
this is just a call to Arms to engage in
76:31
distributed computing on this
76:35
particular folding it's for a week of the world cancer day so it's not
76:38
necessarily just World cancer day it's the week that world Cancer Day lays on
76:42
so it starts on Monday the 3rd of February and ends on Sunday the 9th give
76:46
your power to a good decent cause I know not everyone can run folding or yeah
76:51
particularly folding 247 because it does consume a lot of power and that does
76:56
cost money but maybe one week out of the year is not such a bad thing if we all
77:00
kind of work together so there you go guys uh you can check out the thread it
77:03
was post by xilent and then brackets X
77:07
people need names that I can say on the show if they want me to say their names
77:10
on the show um and that's in the folding at home boink and coin mining sub
77:14
Forum very cool and then yeah then we're
77:19
moving on small town in Alberta gets gigabit Broadband I'll let you talk
77:23
about this this is hilarious this brings up actually this is what I thought you
77:27
were talking about what I thought you going to transition into when you did the move thing oh okay uh but yeah
77:33
apparent there so there's a small town in Alberta and the community council got
77:36
together okay hold on hold on I got another one would you guys move to the
77:40
freaking Boondocks like the middle of nowhere Northern Alberta 8,500 people
77:46
entire population of city if the thing that he's about to talk about is a thing
77:50
go so they did they there was some engineer apparently specific engineering
77:55
businesses but uh also other businesses that were complaining that they were
77:58
literally shipping drives because it was considerably faster like very
78:03
considerably faster to ship a drive than it was to transfer something over the
78:07
Internet um and this this was like locally or outside they were just
78:11
transferring drives all over the place they saying it was ridiculous they were
78:15
going to move and like other towns all this kind of stuff so the council said
78:19
no essentially we don't want you to have to move because of internet speeds
78:22
because that's ridiculous so they're pulling in uh gigabit to the town now
78:27
it's currently in certain locations not everywhere you can currently pay for
78:30
about $57 to $90 a month and you can get 100 megabit and they are going to take
78:35
that and say like yep same cost but it's gigabit now it's not quite as awesome as
78:41
it sounds immediately because you will share with your node okay so if you get
78:45
on gigabit you're sharing with your node but you're in like I I don't think I
78:50
don't think your neighbor is going to use 900 megabits a second I like I yeah
78:55
I'm not too worried about that but that's just something you do have to pay attention to uh the average Canadian
79:00
internet download speed is about 6.6 megabytes per second for an average of
79:04
$54 a month so that scaling it's pretty
79:08
ridiculous that price to Performance ratio right there um they're they're
79:12
saying that they they can do this because they don't have to worry about
79:16
making massive profit margins all the time they just have to worry about
79:20
making a little bit of money so that their Council can still exist obviously
79:24
um so the they're actually able to do this at a reasonable level they they
79:27
received a pretty sizable Grant um from the government too to actually do this
79:31
because of what their whole plan is they're trying to keep people there they're trying to keep businesses there
79:35
and all this kind of stuff so it makes sense and they're not gouging people so
79:38
the government tries to help them the government actually tries to help a lot
79:41
of companies that are laying infrastructure just a lot of those companies don't really care and still
79:45
screw people over um and the something
79:48
that brings me back to the you're sharing it with the people around you discussion um is that if you're a
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business and you want to dedicate gigabit per second line like dedicated
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going to be there gigabit per second line you'll have all that bandwidth all the time it's 5 grand okay so it's
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like but I think I think they have like one or two maybe businesses in mind when
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they have that there and they know they'll hit those to and that's maybe where they're making some of the money
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back right um but yeah either way in again investing in infrastructure it
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just makes sense thumbs up yeah loving it all right uh demystifying Crystal
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there was something that I wanted to talk about not bricks Pro shoot I don't
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remember what it was okay do you want to do a demystifying Crystal Cove while you're at it uh I was thinking as we're
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getting fairly close and that video is up maybe we should jump to Candy Jam
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real quick then maybe we can do that as like an ending sure all right so why
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have we been saying the word candy all stream for those of you who didn't watch
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the uh the pre-show so the candy Jam
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which is awesome and like it's actually kind of hard to read because their
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website is ridiculous but I think that's kind of part of the joke
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um so I'm not going to harp on them too hard for that but what they say if you're having troubl reading it is
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because of because trademarking common words is ridiculous and because it gives
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us an occasion to make another game Jam that's why this whole thing exists uh
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you have to make a game involving candies in some way consider using the
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word candy several times also scroll memory Saga apple and Edge might give
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bonus points I'm not entirely sure why I don't think I've necessarily researched the topic deeply enough maybe they're
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looking into um trademark those words as well it starts now you can go to it now
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it ends 3rd of February there's been 27 games submitted so far and you have an
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interesting contest kind of okay so I'm
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I'm putting up a $100 bounty to the first person who makes a game called
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candy ass candy eaters so the objective of the game has to be that there's like
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people and it can get more or less challenging like there can like think
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about all the game elements that exist so you could have places where you're
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supposed to throw the candy plac is where if you throw it it's negative
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points like if a zombie eats it or something then that's that's bad and
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that's negative points but the idea is that you throw candy at these people and
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they don't like getting hurt so if you miss their mouths directly then it's
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like somehow detrimental so that's what makes them candy ass cuz they're like
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they don't like getting hit by candy ah and maybe they're running away from the candy as you're trying to feed it to
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them or something to make it like challenging or something like that so so
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I I want that game to exist only to the the first one though
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I'm not paying a bunch of these bounties I really hope someone makes it I don't really think they will but I really I
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think anyone will um and this whole thing is kind
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of horrible because every single time something like this happens like with
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the copyright complaints and like the the guy the main dude backing like yeah
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we should have stronger copyright law pirated the background picture for his
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website and like this kind of stuff always seems to happen but King uh the
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guys behind the copyright of the word candy totally ripped the crap out of a
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game called Scamper ghost back in the day so there's um pack aoid and Scamper
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ghost and as you go through here you'll notice the screenshots are incredibly
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the same um and what actually happened was
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they hired a company called where is it
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epic Shadow very specifically to copy
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Scamper ghost it was like go copy this
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game it was fairly straightforward um
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the Scamper ghost guys aren't mad at Epic Shadow because King was in their in
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their discussions with epic Shadow was saying that Scamper ghost had a signed
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contract deal with King and then broke out of it and there's a whole bunch of
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stuff going on and it was issues and they were like yeah just go copy that game because that'll be the one actually
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published blah blah blah and then epic
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Shadow contacted Scamper ghost at some point in time being like yo we thought
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you guys were the bad guys I don't know
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yeah so Scamper ghost is not specifically mad at them um they're mad
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at King and they're more specifically mad at King actually because of the C Cy
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copyright thing right cuz they're trying to copyright the word or trademark the
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word candy sorry yeah trademark to be clear I mean I don't think we ever
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actually said that which is ridiculous yeah that's just candying ridiculous
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that's absolutely candying ridiculous so yeah I I think it's funny that these
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guys are being super vocal now about the fact that King has done this instead of
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previously when it probably still would have gotten a lot of traction but they're doing it now because of a
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copyright that doesn't have something to do with them I think that's actually really cool so go play Scamper ghost
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because that's awesome well I think that's it I had
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something that I really wanted to talk about that wasn't on the dock and I kind
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of thought of it and then I forgot about it it wasn't it wasn't bricks Pro I
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don't know if I want to talk about that that much anymore was something else um
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for the the demystifying Crystal Cove thing uh the video is out right now it
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has a lot of it I'm probably going to be doing a long form written right up at
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some point in time because there's a lot of stuff that didn't make it into the video
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um and there's there's actually a clip that was not put into the release video
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oh what that I oh um so oh I I say at one point in
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time like there are lenses a b and c and I will talk about those more later and
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that clip didn't end up making it in so it made it really awkward um I'm going
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to try and come up with some way to integrate that but we can't exactly pull
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it down and re-release it now no so um I
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was thinking maybe I could upload it unlisted and then like people to it on
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the Forum or something so I'll probably do that so you guys can get that clip um
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or if you come to the Afterparty I'll probably talk about Oculus even more um
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and take questions and stuff like that so we can talk about that there and there will be an Afterparty tonight I
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don't necessarily know if I'll be gaming but I'll be giving away games and talking about Oculus yay giving away
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games hooray all right well I think I give up
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on one last thing actually one very final last thing we have a unofficial
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Linus Tech dip start citizen group oh
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yes so if you are interested in Star Citizen lus and I are both signed up but
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it's unofficial because we're not leading it we're just going to kind of hang we posted it on Facebook so if
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anyone was curious what my reach is on Facebook I guess you've all seen it
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now um let me just have a look here star
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citiz in it's the one with no picture because someone nubbed out
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oops H oh yeah there it is so Linus Tech
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tips no speaking of would you move if you got faster internet yeah exactly no
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I'm pretty sure that's Facebook's problem oh um cuz they they have a lot
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of this on mechanical drives now oh really yeah I think it used to be that
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your um that your your your main your feed was uh in
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memory and now I think a lot of stuff particularly images are being pushed
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onto mechanical even so uh Star Citizen uh
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organization now with added poll so you can check out that thread on the Forum
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if you are interested in it and as far as I can can tell they're being pretty
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open to ideas about how it's going to be ran and all this kind of stuff so Post
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in there talk about it and it's away quite a ways from being released so
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we'll we'll get some stuff more hard it's unofficial to be clear guys yeah
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we're not running it yeah but I'm I joined it so did I
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yeah yeah I think that's probably about it yeah I give up on this all right
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thanks guys for watching The W show we'll see you again next week same bat
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Time same bat Channel and the archive should actually be up fair quickly so
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I'll just throw it up without a table of contents and then um when he gets around
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to it at apparently like 4 in the morning for whatever reason I was done
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way before that if anyone wants to do a table of contents and then like fire it
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over to him during the Afterparty that would be more than welcome that works
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too the one thing that I would ask is that you make sure to include an entry
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for the Squarespace sponsorship spot in case anyone wants to find that we do
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tell them that we will include a link in our table of contents to their sponsor
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spot and without further ado thank you guys for watching thank you Squarespace
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