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and welcome to the W show guys the show

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where we uh talk about technology and oh whatever screw it if you guys are

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watching this you probably know what we do at this point we've been doing this for like a year more than that more than

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that quite a bit yeah one year anniversary it might be freakishly

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closer to two years yeah I think it's kind a little late on this anyway we've

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got a great show for you guys today we've got steam in home streaming valve

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has finally started letting people try

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the beta um there's mixed reports all over the Internet we're going to be

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discussing that unfortunately we haven't tried it personally yet but that may

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change over the weekend wink wink nud nudge more on that a little bit later

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we've also got that South Korea is working on 5G Wireless connectivity um

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and not just enabling it in handsets but actually developing the infrastructure

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for it so more on that later I guess this is the teaser so it's all

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that later although I'm not saying any that anyone is a I'm just saying

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that the information will come later and there will be more of it what else we

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got there's a candied attempt at trademarking the word candy only a few

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people understand that um and NVIDIA the

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black is back we'll talk about that more later on as well yeah what does the

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black is back even mean

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oh I did put the right intro oh well whatever I was going to change that so

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that I could put up a Squarespace logo anyway Squarespace is our sponsor today

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have a new feature which I'll telling you guys more about later called their logo maker or logo I think they're just

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calling it logo anyway it allows you

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to well pretty

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self their logo maker uh like what does

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it do does it short my rabbits from

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smallest to largest hopefully hopefully if a logo

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maker didn't do that I don't think it would sell very well that's probably

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true although they're not really trying to sell it it comes for free if you have a membership already so oh yeah I don't

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think it would be acquired for free very well it didn't do that

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yeah rabbit sortings all right so let's

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jump into our first topic of the day alien wear's steam machine not

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impossible to upgrade this made waves

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earlier in the week when I believe the article that I saw was also on kataku

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but it was said that alien wears steam machines so this is basically guys just

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a p PC was going to be non upgradable

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and I kind of looked at that and I went well how can you have a PC that's completely non- upgradable I mean you

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should be able to upgrade RAM maybe

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unless they soldered the PCB or unless it was like at a maximum capacity

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already yeah okay which you could technically like I don't know unless it

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was already maxed to the spec of the motherboard I mean you should be able to upgrade your drive even consoles even

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the PlayStation allows you to upgrade the drive on it so I was kind of looking

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at it going okay so it's not upgradeable um and anyway Alienware has come out and

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they have clarified it's not completely impossible to upgrade we just don't

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really recommend it it is smaller and upgrading the internal components will

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not be as easy as compared to other

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platforms but we will not prevent a customer from upgrading is what their

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general manager Frank Azor told Euro gamer so so I guarantee someone will do

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it at least just to prove that they can but that person would have to buy an

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alien wear steam machine in the first place place that's a good point can you

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think of a good reason to buy a steam machine I've I've I talked about this in

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a few I think at least two I'm not sure exactly how many of my videos at CES

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where I would cover something at a booth and I would be like this would really be cool to put in your own built by

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yourself steam machine because you don't need to go buy one I mean is this the is

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this the whole console versus PC conversation all over again my my my

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favorite thing about it too is that everyone's like oh but this machines not

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competing with consoles oh come on that's not what it's supposed to do we

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all love each other like yeah no no it's

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there for a point no you C don't I

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mean um it's it's it's interesting but like I what about people who buy

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pre-built PCS and prefer to just have something delivered to them ready to go

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I mean installing Steam OS might get easier later but right now it's a bit of

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a pain in the ass candy rather um so

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could you recommend to anyone with a straight face to buy a steam machine uh

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yeah like a pre-built one like an alien if there was like literally no one to

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build it for them but I don't know anywhere that there is no one to build

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it for you because places like ncx and I know of a lot of other small computer

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stores as well we just charge you like 50 bucks and then build it for you I

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mean it might be okay as long I mean motherboard and power supply I guess are

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going to be the really challenging ones so while you might be able to squeeze a

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small RAM upgrade or a drive upgrade or even a an intergenerational CPU upgrade

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assuming assuming thermals are okay you're not going to be upgrading it in

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any significant way anyway Alienware just suggests you grab an Alienware X51

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if you ever if you ever actually think you might try to change anything or you

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could build your own or you could just build your own which is yeah probably

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the better way to go in my opinion which brings us to our next steam machine

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topic man I'm so excited for Steam OS being not beta

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anymore although I would settle for beta

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at this point if they were willing to give me the inhome streaming beta are

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you properly set up am I properly set up yeah uh I could be very easily my steam

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machine is downstairs all I'd have to I mean um like is your Steam account yes

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on in the group and stuff yeah yeah so guys um why don't we just do a quick run

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through of what in home streaming is so it's steam's counter to NVIDIA's gam

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stream technology or or really any other

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local streaming technology except much more open and much more flexible I mean

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from the very start it's running in Linux so it's inherently open and

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probably going to be quite you know hackable and play with and then next up

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valve is coming right out and saying look we want you to run the streaming

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service on anything that can possibly handle it or anything at least that can

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run Steam so that means if you wanted to stream from your desktop PC down to a

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little tiny like Gigabyte bricks on your

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TV you could do that if you wanted to stream from your desktop PC to your

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laptop you could do that if you wanted to stream from your laptop to uh a

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tablet with like a controller plugged into it or a Bluetooth controller on it

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you could do that the idea is anything that can run Steam can wirelessly beam a

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game or wirelessly receive a game and then send the controls back the other

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way so theyve released it as a beta and

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the verdicts are kind of rolling in although it's very much unfinished at

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this point and it looks like unless you're running gigabit Ethernet you're

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probably not going to have a terrific experience if you're trying to game at

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1080p 60 FPS but you can play around

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with the settings somewhat so you can change to 30 FPS you can change to 720p

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you can even go down to 720p 30 FPS if you're having trouble but from the

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reports I'm seeing as long as you're running a strong strong dual band so

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that is 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz Wi-Fi connection or you have gigabit Ethernet

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then you're probably going to be able to

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1080p at least will work on the wired

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connection drop down from all of that to wire

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connection well it's just a reality I mean even with NVIDIA Shield so that's

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yeah it's like we've gone back to Commodore 64 resolutions because LOL um

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so that's 720p 60 frames per second and

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unless you're within a very reasonable range of your access point it's not a

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great experience I mean NVIDIA's done a fantastic job of dynamically altering

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the image quality according to what it can handle so I don't know how much

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you've played with it I haven't you took both of them right that is what I did I

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actually haven't touched one other than at the NCIX Lan Okay cool so basically

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what it does is it just reduces color depth whenever it can't handle um

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whenever it can't handle the data rate that it needs so as you move around the house you might have you know really

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great color depth and no blockiness and then if you move further away from your

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access point it might become blocky and and look less clean but but it should

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still be low latency in theory I mean it's not always perfect so I don't know

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how well valves Works in this regard cuz I haven't actually tried it yet but

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there's good news NC Keys has given us

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access to his Steam account he got a B everyone at NC got

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one Wheels got an invite Keys got an invite Jack got an invite neither of

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us got beta access so I'm going to try

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it out I'm going to play around with it I'm going to be using uh I'll run I'll

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run a proper gigabit cable down to my TV

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and then I'll try it with power line cuz I have kind of a Cheesy power

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adapter down there that isn't very good I'll see if that works then I'll try

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Wireless so I'll have to take those ubiquity access points home over the

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weekend but I'm really excited to play around with this uh guys that are

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interested in jumping on the beta it's not the like Steam account beta optin

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that's for other stuff this is you have to go find the inhome streaming group

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and join the group um so it's it's not going to it's not your auto opt-in that

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you might have set on your account settings it's actually more than that

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which some people did not realize ah so stoked about this I mean being able to

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sit in bed and you know fire up the old

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laptop and play desktop grade games with

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a controller like well this brings back the onboard Graphics yeah yeah this

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brings back the uh I'm excited for like next Generation thing but not

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necessarily for valve streaming I want faster internal home networks right so

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that we can actually support all this stuff a lot better because I found especially Wireless has been a big issue

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in this term I would love for you guys to tell us how important this is to you

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tell us how excited you'd be about this but what do you think of trying to get

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our hands on a 4K display and running that on our 10 gig

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we're using direct attach copper with SFP plus modules that are built right

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into them we have a 10 gig switch and we have a few 10 gig I have still another

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adapter to spare that we could throw into the steam

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machine and get that fired up well I was thinking we should do like a big Roundup

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so we can just add that as the like extreme ridiculous level of the Roundup

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because we should have like a netbook and a bricks and a gaming laptop and a

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medium desktop and a big desktop and like a 4K setup that sounds like way

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more work well we can exclude some of those but like what I mean is like have

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a range of stuff and show that it's probably mainly Network that actually

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matters right right right I mean one other thing I was even thinking about

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already was like okay MacBook Air has Thunderbolt remember that magma external

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Thunderbolt PCI Express enclosure you throw a 10 gbit adapter in there all of

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a sudden you've got 10 gigabit to 10 gbit to 10 gbit you've got a full 10

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gbit link between a gaming desktop and a

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are you trying to like justify the purchase of a of a Macbook or like

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what's what's the what's the point does Debian support

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Thunderbolt uh I would don't know but I don't know

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why it wouldn't yeah cuz you could then you could throw Steam OS on the MacBook

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you could get your beta go that's that's actually interesting I wonder if they do

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so yeah anyway guys uh we'd love to hear

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people are talking about Bieber guys we don't talk about Justin Bieber on this

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show that's just not that's just not a thing that we talk about I'm sorry I

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wish we could because he's just so dreamy looks like it

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does so then we could be looking at pretty much the most lightweight

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possible device running the most balling

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possible Graphics I mean I might not even you did I show you the thing in

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Gigabyte Suite they had um they had an

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external PCI Express like graphics card enclosure okay they actually had this

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thing running using external SAS cables

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and they're like yeah we're kind of working on the interface

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still they just had they had a computer they had a computer that had like holes

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drilled in it and like SAS cables running out of it to to like this

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external enclosure they're like yeah we're oh it was working that's sick it

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was running so they're like yeah we're working on the interface we might use

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like Thunderbolt or usb3 or something I'm like yeah you better do that cuz

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this is this is not a this is not a good idea um hey maybe people could actually

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use the water cooling holes in their computers if they like didn't want to put a graphics card in their desktop for

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whatever reason SAS PCI Express card to

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no it was a propri so proprietary interface card to SAS cables to external

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box that's like ridiculous just why but it would be cool I don't know why but it

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would still be cool um so anyway this

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might have gotten to the point where I just don't care about that anymore

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because if I could just have one device in my house that can stream to anything

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in my house then why would I want a dedicated hard line between that

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graphics card and the other thing so before that thing came out it now

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doesn't really matter yeah and the stupid thing about it is everyone's been

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teasing these external graphics card enclosures for so long and now we've

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gotten to the point where it might just not matter I mean this is my problem

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with the new Mac Pro it relies on this

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nonswitchable non networked interface it

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relies on a point-to-point connection between device device a and device B to

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me that is not the future that is not the connected home that is not the

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connected life that's not the internet of things that's not what it's about

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it's about everything being able to access the same pooled resources you

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know cloud computing is an example of this on a much broader scale but the

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personal cloud is what really excites me so having that machine in your house

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that lives in the closet and now can be full of hard drives for your own

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personal cloud storage and then it can be full of

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graphics cards so you can beam Graphics horsepower to yourself you look at this

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internet connectivity that the Koreans are working on what is it 300 megabit

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per second the 5G stuff yeah no it's Gigabyte sorry what how much Gigabyte I

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must have been looking at the wrong thing one Gigabyte per second yeah they want you to be able to download a movie

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in a second and they want you to be able to access the internet on a 500 mph

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bullet train okay so there you go 1 gab per second connectivity if they can get

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the latencies down enough and remember guys

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we sort of you know freak out about

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input lag and about latency a lot but

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NVIDIA's gam stream servers at I think it was about 35 milliseconds and that's

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from hundreds of kilometers away I'm I'm well north of Santa Clara okay on a mo

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on a on a wireless connection you might be able to achieve let's say in the

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future a best case scenario if you could achieve 30 to 50 milliseconds of

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30 to 50 milliseconds of input leg consider that if you can game on a TV if

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you could have a nice low latency display on a device like a shield or a

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phone and pretty much the only delay

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left was that network connection you

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could actually have and if you had a faster home internet so we've got fiber

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here now so even you don't need a ton of bandwidth you just need a consistent

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connection so between fiber and having a consistent wireless connection you could

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actually be looking at beaming your cloud storage your cloud computing to

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yourself pretty much wherever you want that is the future not an octopus of you

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know Thunderbolt cables coming out of one box however beautiful and small and

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actually quiet I finally had a chance to see a new Mac Pro in person and it is

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phenomenally quiet I got to give them that anyway I don't think so the the uh

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5G technology that they're showing off can beam Gigabyte per second over more

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than Gigabyte per second over a distance of two kilometers unbelievable here why

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don't we why don't we launch into that just because I think I'm pretty much done with steam in home streaming and

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you know Candy you valve for not including us in that super unhappy but

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at least I get to try it yeah that's a good point this won't be ready for

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commercial for until about 2020 and they're going to do like testing we're

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not talking about inh home streaming we're talking about which you guys haven't seen yet South Korean 5G I

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wasn't sure you were up yet or not umth Korean 5G are you are you candy um which

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will be ready for testing like I said in 2017 and ready for commercial service in

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20120 hopefully this is a bid for Korea to try and get more on the network

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infrastructure side of things they've been really really big

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obviously hold on hold on just a sec sorry guys sorry guys I got this i

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got this yeah yeah was that running the whole

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time no no no no no I I've been monitoring okay cool don't worry it's

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all good okay okay sorry talk about this so 1.5 billion bucks on movie in a

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second service yeah and this second service was tested a lot by Samsung and

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Samsung was able to beam faster than like I already said faster than Gigabyte

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per second for two kilometers this would enable people to access it on bullet

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trains going faster than 500 km an hour

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which is ridiculous I might have said 500 Miles previously it's 310 mph 500 km

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an hour um that's absurd right now the cap is 300 um km an hour yeah so to put

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this in perspective guys one Gigabyte per second after you know overhead the

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quick and dirty conversion is 10x if you want to get to gigabit so this is

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effectively as fast as a Thunderbolt connection and obviously not every

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individual user is going to get that kind of uh of data throughput all the

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time and much like that test they were doing in London this is a this is a

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proof of concept right now by the time it gets rolled out to mass Market we we

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could be looking at much lower cost infrastructure and sort of the that 820

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rule how can we spend 20% as much as we did on that research project and Achieve

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80% of those results or even 60% of those results but either way if I could

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get anywhere near that if I could get

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100 megabytes per second that would be gigabit speeds on something like this

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now we're talking that's still insane like absolutely insane and the whole

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idea of this is Korea's saying that with 2G 3G and 4G they saw a national boost

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of just like everything like National growth was just better with those

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infrastructures so the idea with 5G is we're going to do that again and the

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idea is that they're going to be producing Network infrastructure so right now they're really big in the

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mobile handheld game but they want to be really big in the infrastructure that

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goes behind pushing data to those they expect to see 20% % of that uh Telecom

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infrastructure by 2020 and I think they're running at about like 4.4% now

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so it's actually a huge increase and given how quickly mobile is growing that

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that 20% could be a lot more than five times or four times what they're doing

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now yeah exactly yeah that's pretty

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crazy Samsung was able to do it by harnessing millimeter wave bands which

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were apparently a huge issue tell me something and I'd love to hear you know

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what let's do a Twitter Blitz we don't do those enough these days that's true

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Twitter Blitz guys would you consider

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moving like let's let's use South Korea as an example okay would you consider

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packing your packing your candy and moving across the globe for better it

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infrastructure if you were living in somewhere with like basically craptastic

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internet that you're paying way too much for would you go okay I'm willing to do

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what so many immigrants have done the other way around let's let's I'm going

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to talk to the North Americans out there you know the people who just drop

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everything and come to this you know the the new world so to speak to to make

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their Fortune would you be willing to do the opposite would you be willing to

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move to South Korea to get much much

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better internet and television service

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and um you know mobile broadband and you

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know access to better handsets and all that kind of stuff are you a technology

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enabled lifestyle enough person that that would matter enough to you to move

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would love to hear from you guys on this how about you personally yes but I think

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ours is at least good enough that I'm not there right

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now what if okay because Define good enough it's good enough for what we do

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with it yeah it's good enough for email it's good enough for streaming

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lowquality video um but nothing you know

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4K or anything obviously what if by

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moving to okay here so stay with me what if 2020 rolls around okay

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Oculus is wirel hold on you know you're

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going to win with this hold on hold on okay so Oculus is Wireless by this time

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dirty okay uh valve has released Steam

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for Android okay okay and you could

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literally be sitting on a train playing

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a game on a bullet train traveling at 500 kmet an hour maybe faster than that

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by then maybe faster than that by then playing a game that's running on your

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desktop at home with full 4K Graphics

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would you move for that experience if back here in North America we're still

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on 4G and we're like figuring out how to play like Netflix on our phones still

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and dealing with uh you know bandwidth caps I could see that I could actually

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see that maybe not for the bullet train thing but there's a billion in one other examples that could work like and the

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bullet train one's not a bad example it's just yeah um that yeah that would

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be pretty cool because there's stuff like people were talking about the the

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valve Hollow deck mhm like if that kind

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by 2020 like they're talking this kind of stuff should be consumer not

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necessarily the Hol deck but like valve is saying that uh that VR should be

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consumer ready and good like actually really good and that's valve saying it

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should be good um in the next like two years it's not 2020 it should be

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freaking epic by 2020 so so it's it's

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it's the the possibilities all the possibilities so yes probably cuz VR I'm

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kind of I'm kind of kind of really liking the whole VR thing all right

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let's go ahead and see what the folks on Twitter think um Johan says no because

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porn is censored in Korea that's actually kind of a valid Hotspot Shield

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yeah actually speaking of uh show sponsors Hotspot Shield is not our

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sponsor today but you used Hotspot Shield in Korea right yep uh we could

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not access any Google services for some reason uh in our hotel lobby and we

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didn't have Wi-Fi we didn't have uh mobile connections at the time so we

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only had Wi-Fi possibilities we had to sit in the hotel lobby and somehow

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communicate with each other so hotot Shield Google services yay yeah anyway

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there you go had a plan to move to oh

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someone was apparently already thinking about it but we don't know who it is anymore where did it

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go oh my goodness what happened there I don't know oh okay here we go here we go

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uh emo polar bear had a plan to move to Sweden for better it and education oh

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that's yeah that's my friend I know him D dartel figures nope nope uh I would

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absolutely move to South Korea for phenomenally better internet it's funny

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because when you talk about country growth and how you can stimulate it

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better infrastructure this is I mean you look at the you look at the candy

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backwards way we're doing it here in Canada where they build a bridge and

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then put a toll on it huge toll an

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enormous toll one that can that one that costs even if you're a regular user and

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you buy a pass about $7 a day to get to and from work I mean when you factor in

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that minimum wage here is $10 and the income tax on a minimum wage earner

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could be anywhere from after sales taxes for things like food could be as much as

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like 30% we're talking about an hour of

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your day an eighth of your day if you're a full-time laborer just across a bridge

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that doesn't even factor in gas and whatever else if you're expected to

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drive a car which if you're in that municipality you pretty much have to

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because the public transit here is terrible I've changed how I get over

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there I I know I Go in different routes cuz it's so expensive

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people were like oh it'll save on gas you don't weigh in traffic that much

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that's the that's that's the candy backwards way of doing things you give

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people things that they need I mean the Romans had this figured out you build

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roads and the the economic advantages will come no we're like well no we have

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to you have to pay us for the road after we build it anyway so South Korea is

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investing they are making their country a better place to live and we're seeing

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it in the responses already yeah I would I would move to I would move to a

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country that offer better infrastructure and better Services anyway so slow bro figures yes

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um Peter figures I would if I had the money and candy is trademark that

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copyright yeah no they're trying I wouldn't move but I would keep it in

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mind if I was ever on a trip near there I would totally move from America says

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Mitch nope in Ohio I got what I need in

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Singapore there's already 1 Gigabyte per second plans not for uh not for mobile

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that's not what we're talking about uh yep yes yes

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no unless they're willing to lower prices change piracy laws and have a

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government like ours # democracy um

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lower prices on what I I don't and I

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don't know what their government system is because I don't I don't no I wouldn't

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but I would appreciate if the Canadian isps would get their candy together yeah

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gotcha if I could still speak English then yes that's an interest but this is

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like it doesn't necessarily have to be Korea as well I think I think the

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question is more would you move I did specifically say Korea though yeah okay

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I sure I'm sure would Can't Get Enough even willing to pay more they just won't

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give it up uh not unless us became more

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terrible okay that's from David I would move from Germany to Korea for

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internet wow look at that no doubt I would jump on the next

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plane this is a lot of people saying yes it's actually a little bit more people

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saying yes than I expected this is a lot more than I was expecting chance asks if

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I've learned about if I've heard about Limelight pie and asks to talk about it

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we were actually discussing that earlier this week um it's not one of our topics

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for the show today specifically but we might as well talk about a little bit um

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the last time I tried Limelight was over a month ago so I don't know if what I'm

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saying is valid anymore but it's a terrible experience this was using an

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NVIDIA shield and then I also tried it on an HTC1 which has a qualcom processor

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so it should support the h264 hardware decoding that is required for the best

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possible experience and it just wasn't very good it was extremely laggy

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compared to uh Nidia gam stream and I'd

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be willing to give it another shot in the next little bit here but um

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basically what chance is asking about is sort of a movement right now to use

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Limelight which is could be used for game streaming and and already kind of

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works on a Raspberry Pi to have a very

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very low power very small very efficient game streaming box for TV really cool

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because if it did work really well I don't know I haven't tried it at all and

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he Tri it a while ago incredibly cheap

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yeah you could basically strap a Raspberry Pi to the back of every single

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display you own and have all your gaming horsepower right there and I think that

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is the future m i mean oh man okay you already have a wireless Bluetooth

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speaker in your shower yep if you could have a wireless waterproof game

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controller in your shower you could have like a tablet dock you could literally

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game in the shower I'd be down I already dance and sing so so you might as well

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game yeah I mean waterproof Oculus okay now we're probably going i' I'd probably

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still do that probably going a little bit just do like Mario under under sea

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levels oh my

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God what the cand is wrong with you

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nothing I like my candy Oculus all right

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uh let's move on to our next topic I think speech recognition hack

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potentially turns Chrome into a an

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advanced bugging device this was posted on the Forum by fushi and the original

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article is by ARS Technica so I think I think you had done a little bit more

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looking into this than I had so it's not like if you just skim it real quick it's

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not quite as bad as it first looks because what happens is you go you have

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to go to a website and tell that website that you can that it can use your mic

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the problem is it's not disabling it when you tell it to so you you tell it

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to disable your mic you go to a different website that website then has to have a popup that you have to not

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close and then it can record what you're saying because that pop-ups there and

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can record it but like the amount of times that that series of events will

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properly happen is I don't think very high although it is still a serious

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problem I'm not saying it's not a serious problem and I can't believe they haven't fixed it as they've known for

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four months which is kind of crazy they say it's not evil but it could very

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easily be used for something bad and

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someone other than the person that found it might find a way to run this say

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without a pop up the second you remove the pop up or pop under um it's I I

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think becomes a much bigger deal yeah because the the second the second there

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isn't that thing that everyone has trained themselves to automatically close

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immediately um is is like way more serious because

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there there's going to be a lot more websites where their voice activated

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Google Now if you go to Google's homepage um has their voice activation

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but not there maybe on Chrome um has

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their yeah I guess it would be Chrome has their voice activation button so

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people that are searching Google Google based on voice that's now a thing and

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then if it wasn't to popup it would be a lot easier for that to happen there we go yeah here it is guys in case you

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haven't seen it yet so the voice activation button just on the right side

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of the search bar so if he presses that and tell me about the privacy issues

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associated with your voice record oh I have to click allow so there you go you

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have to click allow y tell me about the privacy issues that this voice

441
00:31:52,639 --> 00:31:59,440
activation is going to

442
00:31:56,039 --> 00:32:01,120
cause oh it was doing so well up till

443
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:04,080
then it was all right so there's something about Google Glass something

444
00:32:02,679 --> 00:32:08,159
about Xbox one anyway that's not really the point of our conversation right now

445
00:32:06,039 --> 00:32:11,559
so so I think it's slightly sensationalized as I think a lot of

446
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:15,279
people freaked out immediately but I really don't think very many people are

447
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:20,399
going to run up into this um as people automatically close popups and I don't

448
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:23,799
think that many people are using not everyone automatically closes pop-ups I

449
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:28,679
mean I think that sometimes you're guilty of this and I think sometimes we

450
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:31,000
all are of assuming a level of technical

451
00:32:28,679 --> 00:32:34,360
competence that other people don't have but it's not that's my thing it's not

452
00:32:32,559 --> 00:32:37,519
technical competence it's people being annoyed pop unders are completely

453
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:41,639
different story and what she's talking about in the video is a pop under

454
00:32:39,639 --> 00:32:48,360
because you might not notice it and especially with newer for years my mom

455
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:50,320
refused to click the x button in the top

456
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:54,799
right I've never met someone like that in all my like Tex support years she

457
00:32:52,440 --> 00:33:00,679
insisted on clicking the little line because she was used to I don't know

458
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:02,559
when Windows 3.1 or something where and

459
00:33:00,679 --> 00:33:05,399
and like even in 3.1 you weren't supposed to do that like everything

460
00:33:03,919 --> 00:33:11,840
would just be like piled up at the bottom there are people that

461
00:33:08,279 --> 00:33:13,960
exist that do not close popups but then

462
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:17,159
how many of them are going to have a setup that has a mic where they can use

463
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:22,120
voice activation for search with a laptop any one of them because that's

464
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:26,039
what I just did on my laptop all I had to do was click allow once have you ever

465
00:33:23,799 --> 00:33:28,360
done that outside of that environment which environment the one we just had on

466
00:33:27,519 --> 00:33:32,519
the show no yeah but that's not that's not the

467
00:33:30,919 --> 00:33:37,799
point like someone like you could disguise I mean okay you look at scams

468
00:33:34,919 --> 00:33:44,039
that you and I kind of laugh at your viruses blah blah blah blah click yes

469
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:47,799
now that is what we're talking about here yeah that's very true and like it

470
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:52,360
it will happen that's why I'm say I just don't think it'll happen as much and

471
00:33:50,399 --> 00:33:56,639
because there's going to be such in my opinion a small demographic that you can

472
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:59,639
Target with this I don't think there's going to be a crazy amount of we sites

473
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:06,480
out there pushing for this because when you're making a virus or something you're looking I think you underestimate

474
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:09,800
the market of dumb candies that are out

475
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:10,760
there um yeah I know but like that's

476
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:16,079
that's the whole thing where people were saying like oh there's no viruses on Max it's because the market was much smaller

477
00:34:14,639 --> 00:34:19,800
there's more viruses on Windows not because Mac was harder to write viruses

478
00:34:17,639 --> 00:34:23,359
for but because there was such a larger user base so your target think because

479
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:27,960
there are so few people with laptops with microphones no so few people that

480
00:34:25,839 --> 00:34:30,720
are going to actually do this like like in in in the example in the video she

481
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:34,599
goes to a website where you can make a to-do list with your voice yes how many

482
00:34:33,119 --> 00:34:38,320
people are going to do that not very many like how many how many times is

483
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:43,399
someone going to go to a website okay how about this what if you created a

484
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:45,440
popup that made someone go to a website

485
00:34:43,399 --> 00:34:50,399
where it convinced them that their Bank needed a voice clip from them for

486
00:34:47,399 --> 00:34:51,320
security that's actually not too bad

487
00:34:50,399 --> 00:34:59,760
that's what I'm trying to say but then how are you pushing that popup some other website like no no but really like

488
00:34:56,839 --> 00:35:05,599
consider the consider the Nigerian prce scam okay oh I knew this was going to

489
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:07,760
come up lose people fall for that that

490
00:35:05,599 --> 00:35:12,839
it still exists and that they're still doing it enough people actually send

491
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:17,079
money to someone never mind just record a voice clip which is seemingly

492
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:20,160
completely innocuous this is this is where I lose the argument I knew the

493
00:35:18,720 --> 00:35:25,880
Nigerian prince was going to come out as the Nigerian prince is like is like if

494
00:35:22,599 --> 00:35:28,160
we had a card game okay the lonus Media

495
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:32,000
Group card game would have the n Prince card and that would be the trump

496
00:35:30,240 --> 00:35:36,760
card all right you play the Nigerian prince and it's all over yep yep it's

497
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:40,200
done it's over I lose I did I the whole time we were talking I was like it's

498
00:35:38,119 --> 00:35:45,119
going to come out at some point and then I'm

499
00:35:42,119 --> 00:35:46,800
done totally screwed yeah yeah so they

500
00:35:45,119 --> 00:35:51,920
need to fix that they do I can't believe it hasn't like even despite what I was

501
00:35:49,319 --> 00:35:56,040
arguing with um they've known for four months I can't believe it hasn't been

502
00:35:53,160 --> 00:36:00,200
fixed because like no matter how small of an issue I might think it is it's

503
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:04,240
still an issue yeah and it still should have been fixed and they're like oh it's

504
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:07,880
not evil but it can very easily be used for evil they even have things where it

505
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:12,359
can it can start up the recording based if it hears certain words so if you say

506
00:36:09,839 --> 00:36:15,079
like NSA or Syria it'll start recording um hashtag killed your wife it could

507
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:19,920
probably start recording it could start recording that um and and it can it can

508
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:24,200
like manipulate that text so it can it can take that text and save it somewhere

509
00:36:21,839 --> 00:36:29,960
specifically be easily because it shows in the video she says NSA in Syria and

510
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:31,960
it like bolds it makes it big formats a

511
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:34,599
little bit makes it red meaning that you could pull those out easily with a

512
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:41,680
different program and then save them somewhere right speaking of privacy concerns

513
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:46,079
Microsoft offers overseas data storage in response to NSA concerns this is

514
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:52,240
posted by hdz X on the Forum and the original article is from The Verge this

515
00:36:49,359 --> 00:36:58,040
to me is I okay like everyone else is probably talking about the implications

516
00:36:54,240 --> 00:37:00,839
of the overseas data storage and that

517
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:04,560
may or may not actually affect the nsa's ability to steal the data I mean it

518
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:09,160
would probably cause more of a fuss with the local government of wherever the

519
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:10,560
data storage is um but it seems like

520
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:16,800
they haven't cared about that in the past so I don't know how much that'll

521
00:37:13,359 --> 00:37:18,839
help but to me this is more of a

522
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:25,319
potential long-term extremely dangerous path that the US is

523
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:28,560
headed down yep I I mean right now one

524
00:37:25,319 --> 00:37:29,920
of you look to you look to the the huge

525
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:35,000
us-based corporations that are are driving

526
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:39,839
Revenue into the country the microsofts and Googles and apples of the world if

527
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:46,200
you candy those guys off enough why wouldn't they just leave and

528
00:37:42,720 --> 00:37:48,280
this could be a thickly veiled attempt

529
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:53,560
to slowly move infrastructure out so you can move out so all of a sudden

530
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:58,160
Microsoft has been forced not even necessarily because they want to but

531
00:37:54,960 --> 00:38:00,560
they have been forced to move

532
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:05,040
their resources out of the country not only that but remember the whole like

533
00:38:03,079 --> 00:38:10,119
made in the USA and I mean I'm talking North America in general you know um uh

534
00:38:08,079 --> 00:38:15,480
Apple's push new Mac Pro assembled in the USA you know that being a selling

535
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:17,319
point all of a sudden the US government

536
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:23,400
has created so much negativity around this data security and

537
00:38:20,599 --> 00:38:28,160
privacy issue that now it is a selling point that they've outsourced it there's

538
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:32,280
there's actually there's a there was mainly a while ago uh not really now as

539
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:37,640
far as I can tell a huge phobia boat made in China well there always is but

540
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:41,079
um because of security issues what if they bugged the chip or what if they did

541
00:38:39,119 --> 00:38:44,760
whatever right so so people were worried about that a lot and I see less people

542
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:48,359
worried about that now and now people are worried about that in America yeah

543
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:52,960
which just like how did you screw that up so hard well actually we know exactly

544
00:38:50,720 --> 00:38:58,640
how they screwed that up so hard so that's that's extremely that's

545
00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:03,560
extremely troubling to me how they could have let this get so far out of hand so

546
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:08,760
there there's there's a few things that people are bringing up which you already dismissed some of them but um like like

547
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:13,520
there's the thing brought up a while ago how the NSA had actually penetrated into

548
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:18,040
Microsoft Yahoo and Google and all all like a ton of different guys internal

549
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:19,839
networks so like does this even help

550
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:23,839
maybe not they probably still in there I don't know but either way Microsoft is

551
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:27,359
moving out and like you said the biggest thing probably is the fact that they are

552
00:39:25,359 --> 00:39:32,040
moving infrastructure out and they could potentially move they would have already

553
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:34,319
needed data centers overseas but now

554
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:39,960
they have an excuse to move more of it yeah more exactly interesting more

555
00:39:37,119 --> 00:39:44,960
Microsoft news yeah that's not all that's not all positive for Microsoft

556
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:48,599
this week there is a big hubub around uh

557
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:50,319
Microsoft paying YouTubers for mentions

558
00:39:48,599 --> 00:39:56,760
so let's go ahead and fire that up over here this is posted on the form by devil

559
00:39:52,359 --> 00:39:58,000
Z and uh dude you really got to flesh

560
00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:03,200
things out a little a little bit more the original article is from RS Technica

561
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:08,280
so stealth marketing Microsoft paying YouTubers for Xbox One mentions so

562
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:12,319
Microsoft was involved Machinima the multi Channel network was involved and

563
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:15,720
I'd like to start by saying that we have nothing to do with Machinima and just

564
00:40:14,240 --> 00:40:20,319
because some YouTubers are partnered with Machinima doesn't necessarily mean they're bad people it just means they

565
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:25,240
might have gotten suckered a little bit machinima's reputation among the

566
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:29,400
YouTuber Community is quite negative they've done some pretty shady stuff

567
00:40:27,079 --> 00:40:33,680
over over the years uh including things like uh Perpetual contracts with

568
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:38,920
YouTubers which are illegal and then Perpetual contracts with underage

569
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:40,800
YouTubers which is illegal too so

570
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:44,480
they're both illegal and then pressuring these people and making them feel like

571
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:50,800
they can't leave and they can't get out like Machinima has not always been the

572
00:40:46,839 --> 00:40:54,760
most um straight edge company

573
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:56,240
necessarily but with that said um you

574
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:59,240
know what okay you know what here I'll let you explain what was going going on

575
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:02,200
and then I'll I'll weigh in with my Spiel I'd love to hear what you guys

576
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:06,400
think on Twitter about this as well lineus tech on Twitter explain what you

577
00:41:05,079 --> 00:41:12,200
was going on as in like how they were doing it or why yeah just talk about what happened so there's they they

578
00:41:09,720 --> 00:41:16,200
proposed a $3 CPM so you'd get three extra dollars per thousand views that

579
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:20,079
you got and there was just a lot by the way it's it adds up there was some

580
00:41:18,839 --> 00:41:23,720
prerequisites though you had to be a mission and a partner you had to have at

581
00:41:21,839 --> 00:41:28,000
least 30 seconds of Xbox One game footage you had to mention the Xbox One

582
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:32,880
by name and you had to include the tag xb1

583
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:38,240
M13 um there was also a few other things like in the guidelines for it may not

584
00:41:36,240 --> 00:41:44,079
say anything negative or disparaging about Machinima Xbox One or any of its

585
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:48,319
games so it had to include footage you had to mention Xbox One by name and you

586
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:51,599
had to be positive no matter what you don't have to be positive you can't say

587
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:54,960
anything disparaging okay that there's a

588
00:41:53,640 --> 00:42:00,440
difference I guess you could be neutral you could be neutral you could be neutral so it' be positive or

589
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:03,800
but if they put a clause that says don't say anything negative I think the

590
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:08,560
implication is you should say something positive so you're not wrong you're just

591
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:13,240
not necessarily technically right yeah okay go ahead um so so this and like

592
00:42:11,240 --> 00:42:17,520
quite a few people jumped on it actually and Machinima got flamed for it and then

593
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:20,880
there's other big problems like uh the main thing being that I don't think too

594
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:25,520
many people would have had a big problem with it if they were open about it a lot

595
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:29,440
of YouTubers did this without mentioning the whole Kickback thing because I I

596
00:42:27,240 --> 00:42:32,520
think it had to be confidential um I think there's actually somewhere in here

597
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:36,480
yeah it had to be confidential in some form uh you must also keep details of

598
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:41,119
the promotional agreement confidential in order to qualify for payment so the

599
00:42:38,559 --> 00:42:45,520
idea is if if it was super transparent I don't think too many people would have

600
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:47,599
cared much but because it was so shady a

601
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:52,520
lot of people cared there's actually FTC guidelines saying that say you received

602
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:53,960
a gift from someone and then you did a

603
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:58,000
did coverage on it in some way it has to be necessarily A gift like even a review

604
00:42:56,520 --> 00:43:02,160
sample yeah um actually I don't know if a review

605
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:05,440
sample qual yeah yeah I think it does you have to you have to you have to

606
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:08,920
specify and that's this is in America in Canada I actually don't have to tell you

607
00:43:07,240 --> 00:43:12,440
guys that I got a sample I think it's implied though um because usually I'll

608
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:15,960
tell you guys I bought it if it isn't a review sample so yeah and then throwing

609
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:20,200
that out there extra things like like the Oculus review that's coming out or

610
00:43:18,319 --> 00:43:24,520
came out I guess from me I bought that and then there's a Wii U one coming out

611
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:28,599
soon that was purchased as well like usually unless it's like unboxing BL

612
00:43:27,119 --> 00:43:35,520
blah blah blah blah blah we we actually bought it yeah um yeah I guess that's my

613
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:38,680
take on it so um problem or not a

614
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:38,680
problem I think a

615
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:44,599
problem I think there is a problem here

616
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:50,880
but not necessarily for the reasons that a lot of people think I think the clause

617
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:59,280
about not saying anything disparaging about Microsoft Machinima or games is

618
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:04,160
maybe I don't actually think that's necessarily that bad because it's

619
00:44:01,599 --> 00:44:09,359
implied it's implied and and well okay the problem is if you had something

620
00:44:06,240 --> 00:44:11,599
negative to say just don't take it yes

621
00:44:09,359 --> 00:44:15,400
yeah so like if if you take you can take this bonus you have to say something

622
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:20,000
nice you cannot take this bonus and say whatever the hell you want there's candy

623
00:44:17,839 --> 00:44:24,040
whatever the candy you want it's it's optional so that I don't necessarily

624
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:29,599
mind I don't like the you have to keep it confidential blah blah blah so here's

625
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:35,319
the thing um for example our Squarespace sponsorship um there's a confidentiality

626
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:37,200
class okay I can't tell you guys how

627
00:44:35,319 --> 00:44:43,240
much Squarespace is paying us when they sponsor the L

628
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:44,920
show for example it's the so and I'm not

629
00:44:43,240 --> 00:44:50,079
saying that's the same thing that's not I'm just saying that it's fairly typical

630
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:53,480
for a sponsorship or advertising agreement to have some kind of

631
00:44:51,720 --> 00:44:58,800
confidentiality it's not the it's not the fact that there is one it's the

632
00:44:55,400 --> 00:45:02,119
details within no you're right you're

633
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:03,760
right I am 100% allowed to disclose that

634
00:45:02,119 --> 00:45:08,280
Squarespace is a sponsor of the show and in fact I feel quite strongly that

635
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:12,720
anyone who is sponsoring us anyone who is directly giving us money to bring our

636
00:45:10,119 --> 00:45:17,920
content to you guys you guys should know about it because you guys should be

637
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:21,240
like good job Squarespace for recognizing that we like this content

638
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:24,960
and we want to see more of it thank you very much for allowing lonus and his

639
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:29,319
team to keep making it I mean I personally think that sponsorships

640
00:45:27,119 --> 00:45:33,400
support should be as public as possible and you guys are more than welcome to

641
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:38,200
ask me at any time who our sponsors are and I will be happy to tell you yes this

642
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:43,079
was paid for this wasn't paid for and these guys are sponsors or these guys

643
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:44,520
are not sponsors that's all great um no

644
00:45:43,079 --> 00:45:48,720
look at that Hotspot Shield just sent me an email Hotspot Shield happens to be a

645
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:54,920
sponsor as well the issue here more than anything else is not disclosing that

646
00:45:52,599 --> 00:45:59,200
Microsoft I mean even if you were to say even if they were to say something as

647
00:45:56,200 --> 00:46:01,880
simple as um Microsoft asked me to do

648
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:08,480
this Xbox one gameplay video yeah so I want to take a moment to

649
00:46:05,319 --> 00:46:10,880
thank Microsoft and talk to you guys a

650
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:14,000
little bit about the Xbox One and show you this gameplay Fin and like like the

651
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:17,800
fact that they said it has to be positive doesn't necessarily mean that

652
00:46:15,599 --> 00:46:22,440
it's skewing the person's views person might have already had positive things

653
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:26,240
to say about it so they're not I don't that that part I yeah I don't on the

654
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:30,599
other hand it might have and I think when you look at at the terms of this

655
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:34,960
campaign it seems to be designed to Target guys who otherwise might not

656
00:46:33,319 --> 00:46:40,599
necessarily have been talking about the Xbox one but with all of that said

657
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:48,480
everyone who took the money knew the terms before they took the

658
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:50,800
money yep so if you have a problem with

659
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:55,280
the way that any of this was implemented then take it up with the

660
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:58,839
YouTuber I mean I don't agree with Microsoft's approach and I don't

661
00:46:57,119 --> 00:47:03,240
particularly care for machinima's way of doing business either let's make that

662
00:47:00,319 --> 00:47:07,760
abundantly clear but if you don't like what a YouTuber is taking money for your

663
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:11,599
issue is with the YouTuber not necessarily with the sponsor you'll

664
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:16,920
notice we don't have an Xbox One video no we don't we have an Xbox one

665
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:21,400
it's over there in a corner collecting dust like it should be has it turned on

666
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:26,000
the image comparon hold on let's do 30 seconds of uh gameplay footage we can

667
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:30,000
show like the gameplay versus PC footage cuz all we said is it was sitting there

668
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:33,480
we didn't say it was doing a bad job it's doing a quite good job of sitting

669
00:47:31,559 --> 00:47:36,160
there yeah it's it looks great it hasn't broken the

670
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:43,480
connect yeah not broken Xbox one because

671
00:47:40,359 --> 00:47:45,160
we haven't turned it on oh love it I

672
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:49,720
guess is it's like it's like a what is it Syler no whatever apparently someone

673
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:54,200
from PC Master race subreddit got an email to promote the Xbox one I mean

674
00:47:51,559 --> 00:47:58,000
Gorilla Marketing is not a new thing there's also someone in here telling us

675
00:47:56,040 --> 00:48:03,920
that we're in sponsored believe it or not we're not NVIDIA hasn't done any

676
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:03,920
paid promotion with us in about a

677
00:48:05,559 --> 00:48:11,960
year so there you go oh man um all right

678
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:15,680
let's move on to our next topic I guess speak of NVIDIA sponsorship speaking of

679
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:19,319
oh what's going on AMD oh yeah let's talk about no let's do the NVIDIA topic

680
00:48:17,559 --> 00:48:24,760
first okay yeah here we go all right so we've got an NVIDIA topic here for you

681
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:26,520
guys black is back this is just a rumor

682
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:31,359
but I hope there's well actually I don't know what I think about this rumor it might just be a totally stupid rumor it

683
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:35,280
was posted by brown ninja 97 on the Forum the original article is from video

684
00:48:35,319 --> 00:48:43,480
cards.com so there you go NVIDIA to launch GeForce GTX Titan Black Edition

685
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:47,079
and GeForce GTX 790 the Titan Black Edition looks like a somewhat real

686
00:48:45,079 --> 00:48:51,680
mockup that GTX 790 no does not look like a real thing

687
00:48:49,839 --> 00:48:55,559
at all looks like the Titan one with an MS paint black thing and then like some

688
00:48:53,680 --> 00:49:00,040
text over it and maybe sort of the correct font

689
00:48:57,559 --> 00:49:07,280
um but basically the rumor is that the 790 would be a dual gk10 card which is

690
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:11,240
got to be difficult kind of terrifying obviously it wouldn't have the same

691
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:15,559
clock speeds or all the same functional units um and then the Titan Black

692
00:49:13,799 --> 00:49:21,040
Edition is rumored to be a fully unlocked because remember the original

693
00:49:17,319 --> 00:49:22,640
GTX Titan does not have all of the gk110

694
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:27,359
functional units it actually is missing some Cuda cor smx's I guess they call

695
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:31,559
them now um but we might see so we might see that

696
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:35,359
card come in with there's rumors about memory bus there's rumors about how much

697
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:39,000
memory will be on them but we might get a replacement for Titan because remember

698
00:49:36,799 --> 00:49:43,640
Titan doesn't make any sense for a gamer anymore unless you're running like 4K

699
00:49:41,319 --> 00:49:48,760
surround every single time we say this and like someone got super pissed on I

700
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:55,680
think it was 780 super candied on the 780 Ti video because I said uh Titans

701
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:57,680
aren't really gaming cards anymore like

702
00:49:55,680 --> 00:50:00,920
super candy and I was like man if you bought bought it a long time ago and

703
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:04,280
you've enjoyed it this entire time that's totally fine I'm not saying

704
00:50:02,799 --> 00:50:10,839
that's a bad thing I'm saying like if you're looking into it now and you're strictly looking to buy a gaming card

705
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:15,359
Titan makes this much sense yeah unless you you need the extra frame buffer

706
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:20,160
otherwise GTX 780 Ti is better in every possible way and cheaper yeah um so so a

707
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:24,880
Titan refresh because remember Titan is not valid for gaming but it's very

708
00:50:22,720 --> 00:50:28,640
important for Cuda developers or anyone who wants to use the double precision

709
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:40,240
beanch ful unlocked yeah so I just don't I don't

710
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:49,079
know if I buy this cuz the rumor says launch date February 2014 to March 2014

711
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:51,040
but that's Maxwell time frame y y um I I

712
00:50:49,079 --> 00:50:56,400
I find it very odd now now especially with the 790 with like the the crappy

713
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:59,000
paint overlay um but the the the Titan

714
00:50:56,400 --> 00:51:03,960
black Black Edition we've seen leaks of that colored cooler before yes we have

715
00:51:01,599 --> 00:51:07,040
so it could have easily just been like oh we're going to turn it make it

716
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:11,520
vertical put it in this line and then yay um so I'm not entirely sure about

717
00:51:09,720 --> 00:51:15,960
that it could be real and I wouldn't be surprised because when the 78 TI came

718
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:20,920
out we talked about like why isn't there one with six gigs yeah what the heck

719
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:25,160
maybe that's to Titan Black Edition yeah so I'm would not be surprised if that

720
00:51:23,319 --> 00:51:30,319
one's real I would be fairly surprised if the 790 is real cuz I mean well the

721
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:35,680
thing about a 790 is if they did manage to keep power and thermals under control

722
00:51:32,240 --> 00:51:37,880
I mean remember too 780 Ti is still

723
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:43,040
kicks out less heat and consumes less power than the competing AMD cards yeah

724
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:47,640
so if they did manage to cram two of them onto a PCB it would probably be

725
00:51:45,720 --> 00:51:52,400
significantly faster than even whatever Maxwell can cook up yeah like it's the

726
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:55,760
only reason why I'm like naying it a little bit is just cuz that's got to be

727
00:51:54,000 --> 00:52:01,200
hard and it's got to be expensive it's a big die expensive like it says like 999

728
00:51:59,079 --> 00:52:06,680
plus I expect that plus to be fairly large NVIDIA hasn't done that yet

729
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:11,920
they've done 9.99 quite a few times in the past I believe 6800 Ultra was up

730
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:18,079
near that price point let me just let me just double check I think 6800 Ultra was

731
00:52:14,319 --> 00:52:20,079
when um MSRP at launch hold on was when

732
00:52:18,079 --> 00:52:24,079
the the super expensive graphics card thing really

733
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:29,160
happened um and then they did it again with 8,800 ultra that was ,000 card but

734
00:52:27,319 --> 00:52:33,160
they've never gone above that as far as I remember I just the only reason why I

735
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:39,079
say that is because with the Titan Black Edition coming right behind it like

736
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:42,319
right behind it at 999 it seems weird to

737
00:52:39,079 --> 00:52:44,960
release a 790 right after that at 999

738
00:52:42,319 --> 00:52:51,160
again well why not because they had 590 running at 999 at the same time at or uh

739
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:56,480
rather 690 running at 999 at the same time as Titan where the 690 was the

740
00:52:53,880 --> 00:53:00,520
gaming card and the Titan was the compute and also because it had a much

741
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:04,920
better GPU gaming card but if they had a 790 and a Titan black at 999 I don't see

742
00:53:03,559 --> 00:53:09,880
why that's an issue necessarily that would just be interesting and I think we'd have the same thing we had with uh

743
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:14,799
early Titan adopters with the Titan black where they'd be like why why did

744
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:21,200
this happen although SLI is kind of still I'm still not a huge fan of two

745
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:27,400
chips what are you looking up sir I'm trying to find that pricing so FX 5950

746
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:32,720
380 bucks 6,800 Ultra extreme was only 600 I was wrong so that was that was the

747
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:36,760
top tier unobtainium card along with the x800 XT Platinum Edition both of which

748
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:41,960
were very difficult to find and were basically just vaporware uh so 8800

749
00:53:39,799 --> 00:53:46,200
Ultra might have been the first one then okay but at any rate it's all rumors

750
00:53:44,599 --> 00:53:50,200
right now we don't know if any of that is true I actually have heard nothing

751
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:57,160
from NVIDIA about any of this stuff so there you go all right January 24th oh

752
00:53:53,880 --> 00:54:00,359
why am I even saying that AMD

753
00:53:57,160 --> 00:54:01,880
the title of the document I know all

754
00:54:00,359 --> 00:54:07,359
right so there's been some talk about cavar and some of the things that AMD

755
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:11,200
could or could not have done and may or may not do oh I think I asked them for a

756
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:15,799
Twitter Blitz let's go let's go back to the Twitter Blitz call don't forget the

757
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:20,200
Twitter Blitz you guys actually didn't get that message from anyone but I

758
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:23,920
figure that's what someone would say if they thought we forgot the Twitter blps

759
00:54:22,319 --> 00:54:27,680
is that the Ubuntu font on your Twitter handle in the lower third dude I have no

760
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:32,319
idea um isn't there a law in the US that says

761
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:37,480
paid content has to be disclosed um if you receive the item for free so that

762
00:54:35,240 --> 00:54:41,400
there's so for the sake of full disclosure you have to be like yo I got

763
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:44,839
this for free so take whatever I say that's positive about it with a grain of

764
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:49,720
salt in Canada that law does not exist and I'm Canadian although we kind of

765
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:54,599
usually yeah say so anyways we're not and and we take it upon ourselves to say

766
00:54:52,079 --> 00:54:57,359
negative things even if it was free opinions should not be bought the

767
00:54:55,960 --> 00:55:01,920
viewers are the victim not the I didn't say the YouTubers were the victim I said

768
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:07,920
they were the culprit yeah I think you're misunderstanding what I

769
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:10,920
said Terry says the issue is that there

770
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:12,079
is such a Negative um stigma about the

771
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:16,079
Xbox one that it would create more negativity if they were open about this

772
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:19,480
but it creates even more if they get caught more yeah and you know what it's

773
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:22,880
funny that you mention the negativity around Xbox one because it's really a

774
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:29,599
lot of it seems unfair it's not PS4 is not not

775
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:34,960
revolutionarily better than Xbox one yeah it's faster Hardware wise and it

776
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:37,400
does have some advantages but Sony is

777
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:43,960
every bit as evil as Microsoft like let's not kid ourselves Sony is the king

778
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:48,240
of proprietary oh yeah although Microsoft's whole thing with the chat

779
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:55,039
cable on the Xbox One the chat cable yeah Xbox 360 compatible headsets need a

780
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:58,680
proprietary adapter that you must buy from Microsoft in order to plug any

781
00:55:56,880 --> 00:56:02,720
other microphone into it it's pretty ridiculous um and then the fact that the

782
00:56:00,559 --> 00:56:08,640
controller doesn't work on PC anyway Sony has a long history mini dis memory

783
00:56:05,559 --> 00:56:10,799
stick um the the memory units that go

784
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:15,359
into their professional grade camcorders at every turn they try to make things

785
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:20,160
proprietary and horrible so you know let's not let's not Herald them as a

786
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:25,160
white knight just yet so I do is this is this like the fastest car on the road

787
00:56:21,559 --> 00:56:27,680
argument though H like the PlayStation

788
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:33,400
isn't necessarily a white night but the Xbox is a lot

789
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:38,359
darker they're both speeding just one of them speeding a lot more diit says

790
00:56:36,359 --> 00:56:43,119
please do not understand underestimate the stupidity of the human race I try

791
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:48,480
Xbox is better than PC says Logan good luck with that um confidentiality oh no

792
00:56:46,559 --> 00:56:54,200
oh why do I keep I don't have enough margin for error here I need more margin

793
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:57,760
for error uh if it were fully disclosed then absolutely no problem with it being

794
00:56:56,319 --> 00:57:02,119
hidden but that's terrible someone should be sued I don't think lawsuits

795
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:04,880
are necessarily always the answer either uh okay let's go ahead and go down isn't

796
00:57:03,559 --> 00:57:09,280
there a law that says paid content has to be disclosed I don't think so I mean

797
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:13,480
it's not like we go to a movie theater and they tell you like hey we were paid

798
00:57:11,240 --> 00:57:16,839
to make this I think sometimes it's implied I don't think it always has to

799
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:20,960
be explicitly said I think it doesn't H I think it has to be not

800
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:27,280
hidden like it it was specifically hidden they wer placement

801
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:30,160
hidden if the main character you if you

802
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:32,480
a frosty mug of whatever ale someone's trying to sell and looks at the camera

803
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:37,440
like this come on how many times have we seen that but if you like somehow ask

804
00:57:34,839 --> 00:57:40,000
them they wouldn't say no and like a lot of times you can actually figure out

805
00:57:38,559 --> 00:57:46,559
exactly how much money was put into product so it comes down to that confidentiality Clause yeah yeah I think

806
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:48,160
that's the problem some $3 is pretty low

807
00:57:46,559 --> 00:57:53,839
for breaking FTC guidelines yeah potentially although $3 it's a good CPM

808
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:58,280
but it's like he said you're breaking FTC G like if we could generate 100,000

809
00:57:56,319 --> 00:58:01,920
views like a lot of game streamers can and pump out like five videos we're

810
00:58:00,319 --> 00:58:06,000
talking like 15 grand for like five videos if you can

811
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:09,720
reach 100,000 views with them I mean that's that's this is bad for the

812
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:13,920
consumer but doesn't happen all the time yes seems super Shady but from what I

813
00:58:12,319 --> 00:58:18,480
heard this is more of a Machinima bad than a Microsoft one and that's actually

814
00:58:16,359 --> 00:58:26,720
interesting and like I said the blame lies not not necessarily on one head

815
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:29,039
here why you know tweet you started um I

816
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:34,079
uploaded the video that should have created a tweet in theory

817
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:40,599
unchecked oh bollocks oh whoops we probably should

818
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:42,240
have tweeted that uh it's okay what do

819
00:58:40,599 --> 00:58:45,559
you use for your Pebble watch face I'm actually a total loser and I use one of

820
00:58:43,799 --> 00:58:48,400
the default ones I haven't played around with the pebble nearly as much as I

821
00:58:47,039 --> 00:58:53,240
probably should have and now that they're releasing their app store soon I've gotten kind of lazy about it so I'm

822
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:56,960
just going to wait for that also I have a qualcom talk coming soon so that'll be

823
00:58:55,039 --> 00:59:00,720
an excuse to really into the pebble and really spend some time with it so I can

824
00:58:59,039 --> 00:59:03,760
uh be properly comparative between the two of them Google Voice would be cool

825
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:08,480
for online shopping or doing research papers that's what they want you to

826
00:59:06,319 --> 00:59:11,440
think I posted this in the Forum about a new cooling option now's not really a

827
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:18,440
time for us to be following links and reading stuff sorry 762 ASR 780

828
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:22,599
personally I'd go 780 yeah we we're both

829
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:24,359
more um more single card Guys these days

830
00:59:22,599 --> 00:59:30,000
I believe candy is already trademarked although um did you run into any issues

831
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:35,319
testing 780 tili on that rig I'm just curious no

832
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:38,359
okay um but like a little bit of tearing actually but but tearing is tearing

833
00:59:37,359 --> 00:59:43,000
that's probably just because your frame rate was so high yeah but no like no

834
00:59:40,599 --> 00:59:46,079
driver issues no game Crash nothing like that yeah cuz I mean our whole single

835
00:59:44,599 --> 00:59:50,880
cards are better sort of based on neither of us having run an SLI setup in

836
00:59:47,839 --> 00:59:52,119
a couple of generations now but then

837
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:56,520
I've built systems for people that requested SLI that have had problems

838
00:59:53,920 --> 01:00:00,880
later on there you go I'd move have you heard about the Intel

839
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:04,680
nuck yes I've heard of the Intel nuck um and yeah it could be interesting

840
01:00:03,359 --> 01:00:08,520
with steam streaming in mind just like any small low power PC someone says did

841
01:00:06,839 --> 01:00:14,880
you forget to post that the show is up considering we have 3,600 viewers uh

842
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:17,160
yeah no the the actual post did go up

843
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:21,520
all right uh just come over to Oz and get great internet no I don't think so

844
01:00:20,319 --> 01:00:26,760
back into the we're back into the internet debate so there you go that was all we really got for the whole

845
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:31,000
Microsoft marketing thing all right so let's talk about AMD's

846
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:35,960
potential with cavari so cavari for those of you who don't know is AMD's New

847
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:43,280
Generation Apu so that is a CPU and a GPU fused into one and now with even

848
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:45,240
more benefit to that than before because

849
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:50,440
um if I recall correctly Intel was actually the first one with Lindfield to

850
01:00:47,799 --> 01:00:54,880
ship a CPU and a GPU on the same core even though they weren't on the same die

851
01:00:52,039 --> 01:00:59,680
there was actually a GPU uh die and then a CPU die right next to each other with

852
01:00:56,760 --> 01:01:03,000
a fast interconnect um so while AMD wasn't necessarily the first one to

853
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:07,799
deliver an APU to Market they are the ones calling it Apu and they have

854
01:01:05,079 --> 01:01:13,280
finally Justified that with the highest technology Apu that we've ever seen and

855
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:15,400
it Now features HSA so that's

856
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:20,640
heterogeneous system architecture which means that an APU has four CPU cores and

857
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:24,839
up to eight GPU cores and AMD is basically going well we're going to call

858
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:28,359
that 12 cores now don't worry on the box they still specify what kind of cores

859
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:34,960
the 12r but we're going to call it 12 cores because that processor is now

860
01:01:31,039 --> 01:01:38,640
capable of at the same time working on

861
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:40,680
up to 12 discrete threads even if

862
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:45,760
they're all part of the same task because of its Huma technology the CPU

863
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:51,480
course and the GPU course can both access the same memory at the same time

864
01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:56,720
so they can both use your system RAM and work on the same tasks and collaborate

865
01:01:54,279 --> 01:02:00,440
as opposed to the GPU course sitting and waiting for instructions from the CPU

866
01:01:58,839 --> 01:02:05,400
and then passing information back and forth over PCI Express this is extremely

867
01:02:03,119 --> 01:02:12,400
exciting and it also has huge implications for the value of higher-end

868
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:15,799
memory subsystems in desktop PCS it's

869
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:19,440
been quite a while um actually it's been

870
01:02:15,799 --> 01:02:21,760
since the memory controller moved on die

871
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:26,920
since higher speed memory has really made much of a difference uh like within

872
01:02:24,559 --> 01:02:32,799
a single CPU generation so we've gone all the way from

873
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:34,960
DDR to DDR 3 without see like whats like

874
01:02:32,799 --> 01:02:38,559
a generational leap in memory performance it's just kind of been

875
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:44,559
incremental small improvements as processes as manufacturing processes

876
01:02:40,799 --> 01:02:46,559
have improved over time now I mean a

877
01:02:44,559 --> 01:02:51,520
andd was according to this article so the original article is from um actually

878
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:58,799
there's a lot of Articles linked here so one from Anon uh there's one from

879
01:02:56,559 --> 01:03:01,559
hard hot hardware and then there's another one

880
01:03:02,559 --> 01:03:08,279
from wow that top one SL dot slash dot

881
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:13,079
okay and then another one from slash dot okay so it was posted by Vitalis on the

882
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:19,599
Forum and there's some there's some evidence suggesting that AMD considered

883
01:03:16,079 --> 01:03:22,319
gddr5 for cavar there's also so why

884
01:03:19,599 --> 01:03:29,359
would they do that well I pulled up uh this so this is a oh oh balls oh where'

885
01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:34,000
it go where did it go oh no where did that Corsair blog go

886
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:38,480
history man come on was it in Chrome yeah it

887
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:44,559
might have been in Chrome make sure you don't activate your mic and ignore a

888
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:47,240
popup recent tabs come back to me come

889
01:03:44,559 --> 01:03:52,359
back to me recent tabs recently closed oh no

890
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:57,880
a if you were candy ready for this we wouldn't be going through this right

891
01:03:54,319 --> 01:03:59,799
now I wonder if like how many people get

892
01:03:57,880 --> 01:04:04,160
that here we go all right I found it all right guys so Corsair has an

893
01:04:02,319 --> 01:04:06,599
interesting blog showing us the Improvement and perform oh right right

894
01:04:05,599 --> 01:04:12,720
right so I was going to say we haven't seen much of a difference even with things like Intel um launching triple

895
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:17,240
Channel and quad Channel memory controllers if you go back and look at

896
01:04:15,079 --> 01:04:22,200
some of the old reviews back when LGA 1366 and 2011 launched of folks going

897
01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:26,880
okay well let's try single Channel dual Channel triple Channel quad Channel yeah

898
01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:32,960
not much of a difference because latency actually goes up as you add more

899
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:35,960
channels whereas the bandwidth also

900
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:37,559
increases but if those two performance

901
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:41,240
so higher latency is bad and higher bandwidth is good and a lot of the times

902
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:44,680
they were almost pretty much offsetting each other to the point where it really

903
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:48,520
didn't make much difference at all well now we could be looking at a different

904
01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:53,799
situation so this is from Corsair's blog and uh let's see who wrote it this is by

905
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:56,160
Dustin Dustin sclavos so he used to work

906
01:04:53,799 --> 01:05:00,720
for ntech um so he's doing some interesting testing here so this is

907
01:04:57,400 --> 01:05:04,680
memory bandwidth going from 1600 to 1866

908
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:07,119
to 2133 to 2400 so you can see that the

909
01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:13,799
read and write performance which are the blue and the red lines so particularly

910
01:05:11,039 --> 01:05:18,160
the blue one faster reads um are increasing as we add more bandwidth even

911
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:25,880
though latencies are also increasing and this is amounting to check this

912
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:27,880
out did you mean blue and green no no

913
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:32,359
right um these are amounting to check this out so these are different games

914
01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:40,720
BioShock Infinite 720p uh BioShock Infinite 1080p Grid 2 720p and Grid 2

915
01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:42,920
1080p an almost matching line when using

916
01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:48,920
the onboard Graphics wow so if you could potentially

917
01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:52,680
I don't know uh add and this is another thing that is rumored to to potentially

918
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:57,400
be in there if you could add quad Channel memory support or you could have

919
01:05:54,880 --> 01:06:02,839
memory that runs at you know two times the frequency we could be looking at

920
01:05:59,279 --> 01:06:04,520
onboard Graphics that absolutely destroy

921
01:06:02,839 --> 01:06:08,200
anything anyone could do with integrated Graphics in the past and you might go

922
01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:11,359
okay well iess that's very interesting I guess onboard Graphics are kind of

923
01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:17,720
cool but think about this what about HSA

924
01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:22,559
then so let's say you add a discret graphics card to your system that's cool

925
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:26,119
okay you game on that but what if uh

926
01:06:22,559 --> 01:06:30,400
your Photoshop filters or your

927
01:06:26,119 --> 01:06:33,039
premere um or or or Premiere

928
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:37,400
or I'm drawing a complete blank after effects or whatever kind of prograde

929
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:41,760
visual effects program you're using could be accelerated by those GPU cores

930
01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:47,799
and you could increase the speed of them a couple times just by having faster

931
01:06:45,279 --> 01:06:53,000
memory wow and considering some of the demos that we saw at the cavar tech day

932
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:57,520
we could be looking at I mean already cavar in an optimized environment which

933
01:06:55,240 --> 01:07:02,319
is easier to code for than it has been in the past because it's all compliant

934
01:06:59,119 --> 01:07:04,279
with opencl 2.0 already they're leaving

935
01:07:02,319 --> 01:07:07,760
competitors in the dust we could be looking at a whole new world of

936
01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:12,240
performance with faster memory for the first time in a very long time outside

937
01:07:09,559 --> 01:07:19,160
of the server space I think AMD's timing could not have been better because this

938
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:22,480
time last year all doom and gloom will

939
01:07:19,160 --> 01:07:23,720
AMD exist in however long like look at

940
01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:29,559
their stock levels look at how much money they lost all this kind of stuff and now now it's it's Intel sitting

941
01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:34,240
there with a few series of processors being released and people still liking

942
01:07:31,240 --> 01:07:38,240
2600 K and 2500 K more than some of the

943
01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:40,200
new ones um myself still running a 2600k

944
01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:45,319
and being completely fine and happy with it because I don't see that much of a

945
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:47,039
gain by moving up um comparing to AMD

946
01:07:45,319 --> 01:07:50,599
where it's like look at all this stuff we're doing right now and look at all this stuff we might be doing in the

947
01:07:49,279 --> 01:07:55,559
future and look at all this stuff we almost did and look at all these things we're planning for and what about these

948
01:07:53,839 --> 01:07:59,200
theoretical combinations of things that could be amazing and like I don't know I

949
01:07:57,079 --> 01:08:03,680
see AMD moving much more aggressively in the next little while yeah it's uh very

950
01:08:01,520 --> 01:08:08,760
very very exciting speaking of things that are

951
01:08:05,079 --> 01:08:11,599
exciting this isn't really you see why I

952
01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:16,799
hate this thing touch touch to click doesn't work see not enabled so why is

953
01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:21,640
it that palm detection is causing me to lose focus on

954
01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:21,640
a

955
01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:28,480
window what is going on here

956
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:33,799
no one can see that happen trying to do a sponsor read here all right so thank

957
01:08:31,679 --> 01:08:37,239
you Squarespace for sponsoring the W show I'm in an angry mood so you're

958
01:08:35,319 --> 01:08:41,560
going to get an extremely angry sponsor read we really appreciate you guys

959
01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:45,560
making it possible for us to do this F so guys squarespace.com is the easy way

960
01:08:43,880 --> 01:08:48,920
to create your own beautiful website they have over 20 templates that allow

961
01:08:47,159 --> 01:08:52,799
you to create a website that looks great on desktop looks great on Notebook looks

962
01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:56,199
great on a phone and any other kind of device you can imagine that's part of

963
01:08:54,600 --> 01:09:00,359
the whole value of of it because making a website that looks good across a

964
01:08:58,239 --> 01:09:05,400
variety of platforms ain't that easy so you can create a blog you could create a

965
01:09:02,440 --> 01:09:09,040
portfolio a store uh website for your business all kinds of cool stuff like

966
01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:12,560
that the limit is your imagination you can use their easy website creation

967
01:09:10,759 --> 01:09:17,719
tools or you can dive right into the HTML CSS and Java code should you see

968
01:09:15,679 --> 01:09:21,199
fit but that's not all they've actually got something new that they asked me

969
01:09:19,440 --> 01:09:25,920
very nicely to take a look at and I was like sure Candy template no not so much

970
01:09:24,359 --> 01:09:30,120
it's a logo maker so if you go to squarespace.com logo or

971
01:09:28,239 --> 01:09:35,239
if you just go to their website and go to the menu

972
01:09:31,719 --> 01:09:37,000
here and then go to logos you will load

973
01:09:35,239 --> 01:09:41,400
up the logo maker so this is actually kind of cool I I created a little logo

974
01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:48,279
here um which took me just a couple of moments so you just key in some text so

975
01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:49,799
it could be like uh oops no come back

976
01:09:48,279 --> 01:09:59,920
there we go you can use controllers on PCS the W show and then uh

977
01:09:55,679 --> 01:10:01,840
weekly analysis and news okay well it

978
01:09:59,920 --> 01:10:06,960
can't help you spell any better but what it does allow you to do is move things

979
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:08,000
around you can take your little logos

980
01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:12,280
here they have a little search thing here so they have some default ones and I was actually a little bit confused

981
01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:18,120
about this at first I was like oh really I can have a pig a diamond a fish or

982
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:21,800
like a raccoon thank you for the uh compelling choice of Squarespace no no

983
01:10:20,040 --> 01:10:25,360
don't worry it's better than that so you just go ahead and search for symbols so

984
01:10:23,199 --> 01:10:30,360
I punched in Tech and it came up with a bunch of much more relevant

985
01:10:27,440 --> 01:10:33,960
stuff figures it says no icon now you know what's funny is I was actually

986
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:38,640
doing this on a mobile connection and that was working just fine there we

987
01:10:36,280 --> 01:10:42,920
go Y and there you go you get like printers and CDs and game boys and cool

988
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:46,800
stuff like that so all of a sudden you can create yourself a little logo you

989
01:10:44,679 --> 01:10:51,199
can change the spacing of the grid you can move things around you can be like

990
01:10:49,280 --> 01:10:54,920
okay I want this to go over here you can make it snap to things you can align it

991
01:10:53,480 --> 01:10:58,719
that way and then it gives you a cool little pre of what your logo will look like on a

992
01:10:57,760 --> 01:11:05,560
business card on a website a Squarespace website

993
01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:09,800
presumably and on a t-shirt that actually looks not bad hey that actually

994
01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:16,520
looks pretty okay so to be clear they're not replacing graphic designers and and

995
01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:18,960
brand um creators they're just creating

996
01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:22,800
like the fastest cheapest easiest way for you to get a logo that's usable and

997
01:11:21,320 --> 01:11:27,600
ready for you to put on your website that you presumably also create on squarespace.com there's some kind of a

998
01:11:26,040 --> 01:11:31,800
rate for how much you can pay to get a logo but it's free for anyone who has a

999
01:11:29,679 --> 01:11:36,320
Squarespace membership and I realize I didn't actually put our lower third back

1000
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:40,679
so I realized that I didn't actually say guys visit squarespace.com Linus get a

1001
01:11:38,120 --> 01:11:45,719
free trial and then get up to 10 or get up to wow see I knew it was bad to go

1002
01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:49,360
into this angry get 10% off of your uh Squarespace off your first purchase of

1003
01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:53,760
Squarespace using offer code Linus one so that includes the website includes

1004
01:11:51,159 --> 01:11:57,080
the monthly hosting and also includes their new logo Builder and then and then

1005
01:11:55,400 --> 01:12:01,480
they also very nicely asked me to mention uh Squarespace Super Bowl so

1006
01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:05,159
they're going to have a Super Bowl commercial really I was like really they

1007
01:12:03,400 --> 01:12:09,560
have millions and millions of dollars that's what I said apparently that's

1008
01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:13,159
awesome so blah blah blah Squarespace oh hold on do they have like a leak of it

1009
01:12:11,280 --> 01:12:18,080
can we watch it they Super Bowl commercials are pretty legit it's not

1010
01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:19,560
leaked they they only have a teaser so

1011
01:12:18,080 --> 01:12:23,360
they they asked me to show the teaser and I was like yeah sure yeah why not I

1012
01:12:21,560 --> 01:12:27,400
mean Super Bowl ads are kind of kind of awesome I'm down with Super Bowl ads all

1013
01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:30,080
right where's the teaser video even if I somehow miss the Super Bowl I usually

1014
01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:36,360
just go back on YouTube and watch all the ads Super Bowl ads are usually

1015
01:12:32,360 --> 01:12:38,400
pretty legit here it is okay there we go

1016
01:12:36,360 --> 01:12:44,520
there's a giant baby there is definitely a giant baby in their

1017
01:12:41,400 --> 01:12:47,159
teaser can you just be less of a huge

1018
01:12:44,520 --> 01:12:50,360
piece of crap thank you there we go all right it's funny because I was so glad

1019
01:12:48,679 --> 01:12:55,360
to have my laptop back for this week all right here we go it's only about 15

1020
01:12:52,040 --> 01:12:55,360
seconds long

1021
01:13:09,159 --> 01:13:15,400
so presumably it's something to do with their whole quest of making the web not

1022
01:13:13,679 --> 01:13:19,239
look like a bunch of geoc City's websites and like flashing banners and

1023
01:13:17,800 --> 01:13:25,239
stuff like that so their whole thing is is beautiful design and tastefulness and

1024
01:13:22,239 --> 01:13:26,719
that logo creator like two seconds in it

1025
01:13:25,239 --> 01:13:32,199
looks pretty good yeah it's better than what I could do in paint paint.net

1026
01:13:29,480 --> 01:13:35,800
paint.net on the other hand maybe I could do better uh but it would take

1027
01:13:34,239 --> 01:13:40,080
more time yes what really you don't think I could

1028
01:13:38,600 --> 01:13:45,440
do better than that in pain did you not see the Uproar for your little badge

1029
01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:48,120
things I'm still trying to figure out what I'm going to do about that speaking

1030
01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:56,120
of uproar apple is relaunching the iPhone 4

1031
01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:59,120
at a very very appealing price of only

1032
01:13:56,120 --> 01:14:01,800
$370 for super old technology seriously

1033
01:13:59,120 --> 01:14:05,760
Apple what are you doing they probably don't know you can't answer that

1034
01:14:03,679 --> 01:14:11,600
question I have no idea I mean if anyone at Apple's watching I mean Tim if you're

1035
01:14:08,159 --> 01:14:14,320
watching give me a call right here let

1036
01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:18,040
me know what's going on man like how how can you possibly expect people like I

1037
01:14:16,520 --> 01:14:22,440
understand why the iPhone 4 is still legitimately expensive I do get it and

1038
01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:28,920
what did it have something like four gigs of uh storage yeah

1039
01:14:26,159 --> 01:14:35,639
eight is it eight 8 gab mobile models yeah yeah eight gig models uh one gz

1040
01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:40,159
single core CPU 512 Megs RAM 5 megapixel rear camera it just it sounds so old

1041
01:14:38,679 --> 01:14:45,520
like it doesn't seem that bad necessarily when you're using it then you read this specs on paper and you're

1042
01:14:42,639 --> 01:14:49,320
just like like I understand why it's still expensive because the actual like

1043
01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:54,280
tooling of it and the like the fit and finish of it is beautiful up there with

1044
01:14:52,040 --> 01:14:59,880
almost any modern Android pretty much any modern andro phone L plastic yeah a

1045
01:14:57,679 --> 01:15:04,960
lot of plastic junk on the Android side but to expect like to think that first

1046
01:15:02,199 --> 01:15:13,800
of all to think that 5c was going to be your value model at $100 cheaper than a

1047
01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:15,120
5S come on really to think that iPhone 4

1048
01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:24,080
I mean you're not even giving them the 4S to think that iPhone 4 is a value at

1049
01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:26,000
$370 is insane I don't imagine that this

1050
01:15:24,080 --> 01:15:30,199
is going to be a big success for them I mean the problem that they have over

1051
01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:34,719
there is that fewer carrier subsidies uh prevent people from buying expensive

1052
01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:40,880
phones well when you're considering that Motorola is talking about a $50

1053
01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:47,080
smartphone and that they already have the um the Moto G which is a

1054
01:15:44,719 --> 01:15:50,080
$200 actually fairly compelling smartphone I've just started working on

1055
01:15:48,520 --> 01:15:54,360
my review of it I know I'm a little bit late but sorry we we we're pretty late

1056
01:15:53,159 --> 01:15:59,639
on a lot of our yeah we're pretty late on almost every phone so holding a Moto

1057
01:15:57,639 --> 01:16:04,520
G and holding an iPhone 4 I can go yeah this is a beautiful device but this one

1058
01:16:01,080 --> 01:16:07,400
is way more functional in every possible

1059
01:16:04,520 --> 01:16:12,199
way I I just think this is ridiculous it's it's pretty dumb they just have no

1060
01:16:09,679 --> 01:16:15,320
grasp on reality I think in that area we should do the next one someone's like

1061
01:16:13,560 --> 01:16:19,840
lonus why are you so mad why am I going to get mad again oh no this isn't a mad

1062
01:16:17,560 --> 01:16:23,600
thing no no I'm saying we should do it's a it's there's you put optional in

1063
01:16:22,320 --> 01:16:28,719
Brackets this isy I'm saying we should do it calling all members of the LTT

1064
01:16:25,639 --> 01:16:31,840
Forum World Cancer Day 2014 basically

1065
01:16:28,719 --> 01:16:35,000
this is just a call to Arms to engage in

1066
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:37,320
distributed computing on this

1067
01:16:35,000 --> 01:16:40,719
particular folding it's for a week of the world cancer day so it's not

1068
01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:44,080
necessarily just World cancer day it's the week that world Cancer Day lays on

1069
01:16:42,360 --> 01:16:48,280
so it starts on Monday the 3rd of February and ends on Sunday the 9th give

1070
01:16:46,560 --> 01:16:54,440
your power to a good decent cause I know not everyone can run folding or yeah

1071
01:16:51,880 --> 01:16:58,639
particularly folding 247 because it does consume a lot of power and that does

1072
01:16:56,120 --> 01:17:01,760
cost money but maybe one week out of the year is not such a bad thing if we all

1073
01:17:00,320 --> 01:17:07,080
kind of work together so there you go guys uh you can check out the thread it

1074
01:17:03,440 --> 01:17:08,800
was post by xilent and then brackets X

1075
01:17:07,080 --> 01:17:12,239
people need names that I can say on the show if they want me to say their names

1076
01:17:10,199 --> 01:17:19,400
on the show um and that's in the folding at home boink and coin mining sub

1077
01:17:14,840 --> 01:17:22,280
Forum very cool and then yeah then we're

1078
01:17:19,400 --> 01:17:26,120
moving on small town in Alberta gets gigabit Broadband I'll let you talk

1079
01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:28,480
about this this is hilarious this brings up actually this is what I thought you

1080
01:17:27,400 --> 01:17:34,480
were talking about what I thought you going to transition into when you did the move thing oh okay uh but yeah

1081
01:17:33,280 --> 01:17:37,679
apparent there so there's a small town in Alberta and the community council got

1082
01:17:36,719 --> 01:17:42,920
together okay hold on hold on I got another one would you guys move to the

1083
01:17:40,360 --> 01:17:48,320
freaking Boondocks like the middle of nowhere Northern Alberta 8,500 people

1084
01:17:46,239 --> 01:17:52,960
entire population of city if the thing that he's about to talk about is a thing

1085
01:17:50,840 --> 01:17:57,239
go so they did they there was some engineer apparently specific engineering

1086
01:17:55,000 --> 01:18:01,080
businesses but uh also other businesses that were complaining that they were

1087
01:17:58,560 --> 01:18:06,120
literally shipping drives because it was considerably faster like very

1088
01:18:03,920 --> 01:18:10,159
considerably faster to ship a drive than it was to transfer something over the

1089
01:18:07,719 --> 01:18:13,480
Internet um and this this was like locally or outside they were just

1090
01:18:11,960 --> 01:18:17,600
transferring drives all over the place they saying it was ridiculous they were

1091
01:18:15,199 --> 01:18:20,880
going to move and like other towns all this kind of stuff so the council said

1092
01:18:19,280 --> 01:18:23,880
no essentially we don't want you to have to move because of internet speeds

1093
01:18:22,360 --> 01:18:29,520
because that's ridiculous so they're pulling in uh gigabit to the town now

1094
01:18:27,520 --> 01:18:33,600
it's currently in certain locations not everywhere you can currently pay for

1095
01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:38,080
about $57 to $90 a month and you can get 100 megabit and they are going to take

1096
01:18:35,960 --> 01:18:43,040
that and say like yep same cost but it's gigabit now it's not quite as awesome as

1097
01:18:41,239 --> 01:18:47,639
it sounds immediately because you will share with your node okay so if you get

1098
01:18:45,440 --> 01:18:51,520
on gigabit you're sharing with your node but you're in like I I don't think I

1099
01:18:50,480 --> 01:18:57,199
don't think your neighbor is going to use 900 megabits a second I like I yeah

1100
01:18:55,760 --> 01:19:02,440
I'm not too worried about that but that's just something you do have to pay attention to uh the average Canadian

1101
01:19:00,440 --> 01:19:08,560
internet download speed is about 6.6 megabytes per second for an average of

1102
01:19:04,080 --> 01:19:10,600
$54 a month so that scaling it's pretty

1103
01:19:08,560 --> 01:19:14,679
ridiculous that price to Performance ratio right there um they're they're

1104
01:19:12,920 --> 01:19:18,000
saying that they they can do this because they don't have to worry about

1105
01:19:16,239 --> 01:19:21,320
making massive profit margins all the time they just have to worry about

1106
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:25,679
making a little bit of money so that their Council can still exist obviously

1107
01:19:24,040 --> 01:19:29,840
um so the they're actually able to do this at a reasonable level they they

1108
01:19:27,400 --> 01:19:33,040
received a pretty sizable Grant um from the government too to actually do this

1109
01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:36,600
because of what their whole plan is they're trying to keep people there they're trying to keep businesses there

1110
01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:39,480
and all this kind of stuff so it makes sense and they're not gouging people so

1111
01:19:38,040 --> 01:19:42,679
the government tries to help them the government actually tries to help a lot

1112
01:19:41,639 --> 01:19:48,800
of companies that are laying infrastructure just a lot of those companies don't really care and still

1113
01:19:45,560 --> 01:19:49,800
screw people over um and the something

1114
01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:54,960
that brings me back to the you're sharing it with the people around you discussion um is that if you're a

1115
01:19:53,560 --> 01:19:58,760
business and you want to dedicate gigabit per second line like dedicated

1116
01:19:57,400 --> 01:20:05,120
going to be there gigabit per second line you'll have all that bandwidth all the time it's 5 grand okay so it's

1117
01:20:05,120 --> 01:20:11,080
like but I think I think they have like one or two maybe businesses in mind when

1118
01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:16,120
they have that there and they know they'll hit those to and that's maybe where they're making some of the money

1119
01:20:13,520 --> 01:20:20,800
back right um but yeah either way in again investing in infrastructure it

1120
01:20:18,120 --> 01:20:24,800
just makes sense thumbs up yeah loving it all right uh demystifying Crystal

1121
01:20:23,400 --> 01:20:29,159
there was something that I wanted to talk about not bricks Pro shoot I don't

1122
01:20:28,040 --> 01:20:34,880
remember what it was okay do you want to do a demystifying Crystal Cove while you're at it uh I was thinking as we're

1123
01:20:32,679 --> 01:20:38,360
getting fairly close and that video is up maybe we should jump to Candy Jam

1124
01:20:36,920 --> 01:20:41,800
real quick then maybe we can do that as like an ending sure all right so why

1125
01:20:40,239 --> 01:20:47,600
have we been saying the word candy all stream for those of you who didn't watch

1126
01:20:43,679 --> 01:20:49,400
the uh the pre-show so the candy Jam

1127
01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:53,480
which is awesome and like it's actually kind of hard to read because their

1128
01:20:50,760 --> 01:20:57,040
website is ridiculous but I think that's kind of part of the joke

1129
01:20:55,360 --> 01:21:02,440
um so I'm not going to harp on them too hard for that but what they say if you're having troubl reading it is

1130
01:21:00,320 --> 01:21:07,080
because of because trademarking common words is ridiculous and because it gives

1131
01:21:04,960 --> 01:21:11,040
us an occasion to make another game Jam that's why this whole thing exists uh

1132
01:21:09,080 --> 01:21:15,320
you have to make a game involving candies in some way consider using the

1133
01:21:12,760 --> 01:21:19,520
word candy several times also scroll memory Saga apple and Edge might give

1134
01:21:17,840 --> 01:21:25,280
bonus points I'm not entirely sure why I don't think I've necessarily researched the topic deeply enough maybe they're

1135
01:21:22,600 --> 01:21:30,239
looking into um trademark those words as well it starts now you can go to it now

1136
01:21:28,040 --> 01:21:36,239
it ends 3rd of February there's been 27 games submitted so far and you have an

1137
01:21:32,120 --> 01:21:38,400
interesting contest kind of okay so I'm

1138
01:21:36,239 --> 01:21:43,320
I'm putting up a $100 bounty to the first person who makes a game called

1139
01:21:40,560 --> 01:21:47,840
candy ass candy eaters so the objective of the game has to be that there's like

1140
01:21:45,920 --> 01:21:51,080
people and it can get more or less challenging like there can like think

1141
01:21:49,600 --> 01:21:54,760
about all the game elements that exist so you could have places where you're

1142
01:21:52,800 --> 01:21:57,719
supposed to throw the candy plac is where if you throw it it's negative

1143
01:21:56,120 --> 01:22:01,199
points like if a zombie eats it or something then that's that's bad and

1144
01:21:59,199 --> 01:22:06,040
that's negative points but the idea is that you throw candy at these people and

1145
01:22:04,440 --> 01:22:10,360
they don't like getting hurt so if you miss their mouths directly then it's

1146
01:22:08,239 --> 01:22:13,840
like somehow detrimental so that's what makes them candy ass cuz they're like

1147
01:22:12,159 --> 01:22:18,080
they don't like getting hit by candy ah and maybe they're running away from the candy as you're trying to feed it to

1148
01:22:16,639 --> 01:22:23,080
them or something to make it like challenging or something like that so so

1149
01:22:20,440 --> 01:22:26,960
I I want that game to exist only to the the first one though

1150
01:22:25,199 --> 01:22:31,440
I'm not paying a bunch of these bounties I really hope someone makes it I don't really think they will but I really I

1151
01:22:29,400 --> 01:22:35,239
think anyone will um and this whole thing is kind

1152
01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:38,840
of horrible because every single time something like this happens like with

1153
01:22:36,320 --> 01:22:42,440
the copyright complaints and like the the guy the main dude backing like yeah

1154
01:22:40,960 --> 01:22:45,920
we should have stronger copyright law pirated the background picture for his

1155
01:22:44,159 --> 01:22:50,440
website and like this kind of stuff always seems to happen but King uh the

1156
01:22:48,800 --> 01:22:55,719
guys behind the copyright of the word candy totally ripped the crap out of a

1157
01:22:53,920 --> 01:22:59,800
game called Scamper ghost back in the day so there's um pack aoid and Scamper

1158
01:22:58,320 --> 01:23:04,639
ghost and as you go through here you'll notice the screenshots are incredibly

1159
01:23:03,120 --> 01:23:10,600
the same um and what actually happened was

1160
01:23:07,040 --> 01:23:13,880
they hired a company called where is it

1161
01:23:10,600 --> 01:23:17,040
epic Shadow very specifically to copy

1162
01:23:13,880 --> 01:23:20,080
Scamper ghost it was like go copy this

1163
01:23:17,040 --> 01:23:22,159
game it was fairly straightforward um

1164
01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:25,960
the Scamper ghost guys aren't mad at Epic Shadow because King was in their in

1165
01:23:24,520 --> 01:23:30,520
their discussions with epic Shadow was saying that Scamper ghost had a signed

1166
01:23:28,480 --> 01:23:32,880
contract deal with King and then broke out of it and there's a whole bunch of

1167
01:23:31,639 --> 01:23:38,400
stuff going on and it was issues and they were like yeah just go copy that game because that'll be the one actually

1168
01:23:35,360 --> 01:23:40,320
published blah blah blah and then epic

1169
01:23:38,400 --> 01:23:47,000
Shadow contacted Scamper ghost at some point in time being like yo we thought

1170
01:23:42,840 --> 01:23:48,520
you guys were the bad guys I don't know

1171
01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:52,639
yeah so Scamper ghost is not specifically mad at them um they're mad

1172
01:23:50,920 --> 01:23:56,120
at King and they're more specifically mad at King actually because of the C Cy

1173
01:23:54,679 --> 01:23:59,719
copyright thing right cuz they're trying to copyright the word or trademark the

1174
01:23:57,760 --> 01:24:03,520
word candy sorry yeah trademark to be clear I mean I don't think we ever

1175
01:24:01,280 --> 01:24:09,000
actually said that which is ridiculous yeah that's just candying ridiculous

1176
01:24:06,280 --> 01:24:13,159
that's absolutely candying ridiculous so yeah I I think it's funny that these

1177
01:24:10,560 --> 01:24:16,679
guys are being super vocal now about the fact that King has done this instead of

1178
01:24:15,159 --> 01:24:20,560
previously when it probably still would have gotten a lot of traction but they're doing it now because of a

1179
01:24:19,320 --> 01:24:26,159
copyright that doesn't have something to do with them I think that's actually really cool so go play Scamper ghost

1180
01:24:25,000 --> 01:24:29,960
because that's awesome well I think that's it I had

1181
01:24:28,480 --> 01:24:34,239
something that I really wanted to talk about that wasn't on the dock and I kind

1182
01:24:32,159 --> 01:24:37,159
of thought of it and then I forgot about it it wasn't it wasn't bricks Pro I

1183
01:24:35,960 --> 01:24:41,800
don't know if I want to talk about that that much anymore was something else um

1184
01:24:39,800 --> 01:24:44,960
for the the demystifying Crystal Cove thing uh the video is out right now it

1185
01:24:43,679 --> 01:24:48,480
has a lot of it I'm probably going to be doing a long form written right up at

1186
01:24:47,119 --> 01:24:54,159
some point in time because there's a lot of stuff that didn't make it into the video

1187
01:24:51,639 --> 01:24:59,960
um and there's there's actually a clip that was not put into the release video

1188
01:24:58,280 --> 01:25:08,080
oh what that I oh um so oh I I say at one point in

1189
01:25:05,280 --> 01:25:11,920
time like there are lenses a b and c and I will talk about those more later and

1190
01:25:10,159 --> 01:25:15,639
that clip didn't end up making it in so it made it really awkward um I'm going

1191
01:25:13,600 --> 01:25:21,119
to try and come up with some way to integrate that but we can't exactly pull

1192
01:25:17,400 --> 01:25:22,360
it down and re-release it now no so um I

1193
01:25:21,119 --> 01:25:26,239
was thinking maybe I could upload it unlisted and then like people to it on

1194
01:25:24,400 --> 01:25:30,880
the Forum or something so I'll probably do that so you guys can get that clip um

1195
01:25:28,800 --> 01:25:35,800
or if you come to the Afterparty I'll probably talk about Oculus even more um

1196
01:25:34,239 --> 01:25:40,119
and take questions and stuff like that so we can talk about that there and there will be an Afterparty tonight I

1197
01:25:38,719 --> 01:25:45,280
don't necessarily know if I'll be gaming but I'll be giving away games and talking about Oculus yay giving away

1198
01:25:43,520 --> 01:25:50,880
games hooray all right well I think I give up

1199
01:25:48,080 --> 01:25:56,400
on one last thing actually one very final last thing we have a unofficial

1200
01:25:53,239 --> 01:25:58,400
Linus Tech dip start citizen group oh

1201
01:25:56,400 --> 01:26:00,840
yes so if you are interested in Star Citizen lus and I are both signed up but

1202
01:25:59,960 --> 01:26:06,280
it's unofficial because we're not leading it we're just going to kind of hang we posted it on Facebook so if

1203
01:26:04,520 --> 01:26:12,679
anyone was curious what my reach is on Facebook I guess you've all seen it

1204
01:26:08,639 --> 01:26:14,920
now um let me just have a look here star

1205
01:26:12,679 --> 01:26:21,800
citiz in it's the one with no picture because someone nubbed out

1206
01:26:18,239 --> 01:26:24,400
oops H oh yeah there it is so Linus Tech

1207
01:26:21,800 --> 01:26:28,000
tips no speaking of would you move if you got faster internet yeah exactly no

1208
01:26:26,840 --> 01:26:32,840
I'm pretty sure that's Facebook's problem oh um cuz they they have a lot

1209
01:26:30,480 --> 01:26:37,239
of this on mechanical drives now oh really yeah I think it used to be that

1210
01:26:34,480 --> 01:26:41,560
your um that your your your main your feed was uh in

1211
01:26:39,360 --> 01:26:46,040
memory and now I think a lot of stuff particularly images are being pushed

1212
01:26:43,080 --> 01:26:50,280
onto mechanical even so uh Star Citizen uh

1213
01:26:47,719 --> 01:26:53,920
organization now with added poll so you can check out that thread on the Forum

1214
01:26:52,119 --> 01:26:56,719
if you are interested in it and as far as I can can tell they're being pretty

1215
01:26:55,159 --> 01:27:00,600
open to ideas about how it's going to be ran and all this kind of stuff so Post

1216
01:26:58,320 --> 01:27:03,719
in there talk about it and it's away quite a ways from being released so

1217
01:27:01,960 --> 01:27:08,800
we'll we'll get some stuff more hard it's unofficial to be clear guys yeah

1218
01:27:06,480 --> 01:27:13,520
we're not running it yeah but I'm I joined it so did I

1219
01:27:10,800 --> 01:27:18,800
yeah yeah I think that's probably about it yeah I give up on this all right

1220
01:27:17,239 --> 01:27:23,000
thanks guys for watching The W show we'll see you again next week same bat

1221
01:27:20,760 --> 01:27:26,560
Time same bat Channel and the archive should actually be up fair quickly so

1222
01:27:24,960 --> 01:27:31,080
I'll just throw it up without a table of contents and then um when he gets around

1223
01:27:29,440 --> 01:27:35,400
to it at apparently like 4 in the morning for whatever reason I was done

1224
01:27:33,119 --> 01:27:40,159
way before that if anyone wants to do a table of contents and then like fire it

1225
01:27:37,920 --> 01:27:43,840
over to him during the Afterparty that would be more than welcome that works

1226
01:27:41,840 --> 01:27:47,679
too the one thing that I would ask is that you make sure to include an entry

1227
01:27:45,600 --> 01:27:51,199
for the Squarespace sponsorship spot in case anyone wants to find that we do

1228
01:27:49,679 --> 01:27:54,920
tell them that we will include a link in our table of contents to their sponsor

1229
01:27:52,719 --> 01:27:58,960
spot and without further ado thank you guys for watching thank you Squarespace

1230
01:27:56,159 --> 01:28:22,170
for sponsoring us and see you next week wrong one love that