We told Nvidia NO! - WAN Show August 17, 2018
Linus Tech Tips
·Linus Tech Tips
·2019-05-06
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youtube gives us a community guideline strike if we make a video saying that
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the WAN Show is live what the heck there we go uh what do you mean i don't know
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what was going on with that i don't know i like it i think it's a good look cool yeah yeah let's leave it
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up i mean it can't be any worse than my hair anyone who skips through the
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timestamps is just gonna be like what is that that was one of the big takeaways
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actually from the um the whole controversy around tampon gate
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you know about tampon gate right yeah with the amazon go store where i was
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holding up a pad and i'm like i stole tampons from the amazon ghost store that
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was that was so disruptive that on my twitch stream we had to i had to like
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address what was going on and i watched your video but couldn't have the audio
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on because the levels were weird so it was like blowing people's ears out so i was like i'm pretty sure he's just
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saying all this stuff and then i watched it the next day and i was right i was
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like yeah and i had never even seen the video it's just like i'm pretty sure
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this is about what's going on so one of the things that came out of
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that was that i am a tech bro okay which i had never heard before i
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had never heard the term tech i've never heard of that either but yeah kind of tech bros are uh they're they're
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they're like they're bros you know like bro bro yeah bro they're those but
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they're tech uh and they exclude everyone because
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they're like tech bro i don't think we exclude everyone actually it has more to do with us just not really knowing how
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to talk to anyone yes if you want the stereotypical tech
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tech person if social awkwardness is exclusion than like yeah yes
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the most exclusionary group of all time
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um we love each other though so we just don't know how to tell each other i mean
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luke and i know how to tell each other we're special like that special bond um
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but then i i have i have grown to accept that i have bad hair
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okay so i i'm okay with it i'm just gonna you know what there i'm not making
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it worse i'm not making it better it's just bad my thing mostly fell down the
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only i just go like that a whole bunch and then apparently it's fine so okay
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yeah sure yeah whatever get wrecked um why don't you try it got a lot of
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so what do i do just like sweep it to one side like finger rake to one oh it's
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gelled yeah well that's not that's not gonna work just doing it anyways
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we're gonna hope for the best today how's that
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it actually looks all right
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oh seriously there's one little bit up in the back but the rest of it it looks
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less gel then it looks like it's just kind of sweeping over
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okay yeah the back screwed up
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because the gel is holding so i'm using like hand oils yeah
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yeah remember that bit about our exclusionary
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maybe this is why the tech news
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brought to you by people who don't look very credible
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yeah yeah yeah so NVIDIA leaks in pictures motorola under fire for
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coppering copying the iphone 10.
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oh i'm just doing this okay thunderfoot takes issue with Techquickie and the
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core i9 9900k confirmed to be soldered
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rumor i can't get the chat on twitch in trout
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just like not here
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just subscribed with twitch prize linuxfan724
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please be subscribed to the wrong channel i think you were thinking of Linus not Linux
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i'm especially a fan of um all right so we've got a great show
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for you guys today i think we already ran through some of the topics wonderful
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but that's true actually we uh
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first we're gonna go for it or we're gonna talk about other stuff oh i was actually just gonna go
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totally totally off um
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off script and i don't know i don't know how to spell it
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which is really unfortunate
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why can't i find this no that's no definitely not it let me
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help no one has any idea what we're looking for no one has any idea what
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we're looking for we'll find
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it there we go so guess who we have here
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in the studio today dude i found it first you know what well i
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uh hate you so we have
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conflicts and he doesn't actually know that i was
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planning to have him come say hi on the WAN Show but basically he does like
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robot stuff and like stem stuff and
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this video right here is an unboxing and let's play with the super Anthony
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ultimate battle humanoid robot with 45
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kilograms servo punch and uh come on come on come on come on
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over here let's talk about let's talk about what we shot today
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so this is his video which you're not going to copyright strike me over this
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no no no no no please is this fair use yes it's fair fair use
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no copyright strike no copyright okay no copyrights right good you heard it from
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you heard it from him say say hi everyone hey guys
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i don't know i don't know how many people are like spazzing out right now conflicts
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butt flies says who
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uh what else we got someone uh mandry two says corn flakes corn flakes i think
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they're just messing with you guys because good ol good old twitch chat
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they are all about being well twitch chat yeah um so
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basically what we were doing today here i'm just going to throw your thing up here actually yeah do you want to run
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them through what we did today because it's pretty cool get a little closer to the strike
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so uh we actually chair all right no problem
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that's fine i really hadn't planned to do this
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so uh we went ahead and made a video uh
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showcasing super Anthony now super Anthony's a robot that's actually been
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out for some time but they're finally launching it on kickstarter uh where you
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can actually go ahead and buy it uh it's a fighting robot now uh the unique thing
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about this robot is it's really really strong it's got a 45 kilogram
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punch force and uh both Linus and i actually fought against each other and
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did a few different things so uh definitely uh do stay tuned for that
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video once it comes out yeah we completed some challenges if you want to
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learn more about the robot in the meantime you can check out uh conflicts
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video here surprisingly agile oh yeah definitely oh yeah no definitely and
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it's controlled with like a knock-off playstation controller so it's actually
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very intuitive there it is punching uh are you gonna
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show us the uppercut or is that the uppercut uh that's a bunch yeah and
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there's a jab how many servos does this thing have
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like 12 14 something like that it's about like 16 or 18. 16 or 18 yeah so
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it can do some pretty crazy stuff it can pick itself up off the floor uh both
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from the front and the back i think he's probably going to demo that in a second
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here and without spoiling too much
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i will say that the video we shot together today
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involves breaking eggs
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and definitely also involves a
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custom-built battle robot arena
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that ed and james spent the better part of the last two days building yeah so um
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i mean really the reason that this collab came about was that um what are
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they called again limitless limitless iq limitless iq so limitless iq the makers
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of the super Anthony actually sent robots to both conflicts
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and me and then when both of us followed up and
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said hey you know what would be great if we could
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get a couple of super Anthony's and battle them
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um their response was sorry we only have a limited number of samples you can only
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have one to which i believe we both replied
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look i don't need you to send another one for me to keep or whatever
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we i just really think it would enhance the video a lot if we could fight them
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can can you just lend me one to which they responded
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um no we can't do that we only have a limited number of samples now we went
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one step further actually before we reached out to khan here
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um this is this is great before we reached out to him
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we kind of said well we don't really think there's a video in here if we
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don't have two of them to fight so do you want it back then and they went no
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and we went okay so on the one hand your story is you don't have enough samples
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to send out enough of them but the flip side of it is you don't want it back
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so we were like okay well we want to make a video about this because this is
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cool so we're just going to find someone else
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who has it fly them out with the robot which was a
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breeze to get through tsa right uh no it was not i had three tsa agents literally
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investigate me and to the full extent like they almost like thought i was
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gonna like even like hijack the plane or something with the robot robot
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with your 18-inch robot
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in the future i mean if it was six foot that's a different situation
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but you know yeah that's crazy yeah so uh so yeah we had a
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lot of we had a lot of fun today though i think the final video is not going to
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be particularly informative but it'll definitely be fun if you want
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the informative spin on super Anthony go check out complex's channel all right
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thanks man
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yeah we had we had a lot of fun today yeah sorry we have no other way to get
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past that um i saw the arena um and i saw and i
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saw james messing around with the robot but just by itself yet he had it like roll
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over which was insane yeah yeah and he showed it like crouching and jumping and
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punching it actually has a special move where it can do like a head level side
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kick geez yeah but you have to have it's really nimble you have to have the
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friction on the floor just right when you think back to like you know some of
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the viral robot videos out there when there's that like soccer game and they
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just keep falling over no i don't i haven't seen it with that
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video robot soccer is probably all you need to actually look at
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uh soccer uh
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htwk robot spl finals does that sound
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familiar at all that does so does the one below that one on the on the search
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be human versus htw just like jump into it yeah german over here hold on a
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second guys i'm gonna just screen share here real quick you haven't seen this i have not seen
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this there's a few of these okay um but
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like just you can just jump into it and they like they like try to dive to stop
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the ball but it's like okay
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like you see what i mean like when when this is what most people have seen being
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able to see the super Anthony like jump around and kick and punch and dodge and
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roll and all this kind of stuff was like pretty impressive one thing i think
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about this is i'm not sure that they're actually controlled
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no i don't think so yeah i think they're like sensors and stuff so that's a totally different field
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but time for it time for it
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no is he going to get it
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come on kick it in
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the goalie's just like completely checked out
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but yeah when like some replay
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when like i think most of what people have seen in terms of robots it's like
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this the uh the robot falling off the stage in japan and like all this other
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kind of stuff yeah yeah robot dies of
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robocup 2016. it's like it's fall over all the time
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and like this is not the experience that you have with the super Anthony
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uh well you know at least not that i saw uh yeah
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no he fall he falls over a fair bit um especially because his traction on
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the floor is not super right uh amazing yeah he just has like
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metal paddles and remember too we're fighting
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so part of the goal of fighting is making something fall yeah a lot of the
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fighting ended up being less like like rock and soccer robots like clear punch
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clear contact and you know he falls
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well okay but then it ended up being a lot of like punching kind of getting
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hooked on the other robot on the withdrawal and then pulling him over and
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then ripping him and then and then like rolling on the floor like ground
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fighting lots of fighting is rolling on the floor maybe they're trying to make
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it more realistic yeah sure let's go let's go and you know okay i am the
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benefit of the doubt you know how someone in twitch chat uh tried to say
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cornflakes or whatever uh yes i thought he might have been legitimately trying
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to do a play on words with conflicts like conflict so we asked him that today
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and then no he was like yeah sure
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like it had never occurred to him before i don't think when i first heard the
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channel name i thought it was conflicts because it was robot fighting it was
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from one i didn't okay he actually started out with um
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with these like uh effects videos where he was he did like minions in real life
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it got like 20 million views or something stupid like that and then
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dreamworks or whoever owns the minions copyright struck him
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yeah took it down um
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and so now he's doing mostly like robots and
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stem stuff and tech stuff yeah cool
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all right should we should we do a tech news topic no i guess
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should we respond to thunder foot sure
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okay or we can do a tech news should we do the NVIDIA thing give people what
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they want real quick sure and then and then jump over to this thing i'll get
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i'll get this ready in the meantime sure uh so the NVIDIA leaks
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wow so surprised um after siggraph we all kind of knew this was coming uh
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we not have leaked specs about what this
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is a ridiculous sentence uh but rtx 280
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is more or less confirmed i don't know if it's actually been confirmed but
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there was like very very obvious hints in the NVIDIA
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video if you kind of picked through the chat conversations that were happening
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on screen it was super obvious they're calling it rtx and it's 20 series not 11
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series um so because sure there we go
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why not i guess um the GeForce rtx
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2080 ti that's going to take a little
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bit to get used to going to mess with me yeah for a very long time rtx why would
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they why would they have letters that
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could abbreviate from Radeon technologies oh geez
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i didn't think about that but i'm astonished that they didn't if you're sitting around thinking of a name like
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you'd have to break it down what is it supposed to bring ray tracing oh come on
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okay sorry we should do a tech cookie on that by the way yeah probably yeah um
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yeah i'll let john know but like
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g has been NVIDIA's thing for a very long
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time r has been ati AMD's thing
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for a very long time um so
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what's happening to g-force then
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i don't know so the rumors rivers
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so that so the rumors like yes
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is that there will be rtx and gtx cards
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but i don't know that that has been confirmed at all and with NVIDIA's big
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push towards ray tracing i don't really foresee that being a
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thing yeah so it'll have 11 gigs of RAM gddr6
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memory that is and a 352 bus that
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doesn't sound right i would have thought it would be 348. uh okay i mean i'm yeah
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don't quote me the gddr6 memory is apparently going to be clocked at 14
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gigabit per second okay and um
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also there will be an rtx uh let me have
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a look uh 2080 and that'll have 2944 cuda cores
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not 3072 as previously speculated and it'll have eight gigs on a 256-bit bus
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now what would you say really interesting about this would be
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that um if NVIDIA launches their ti card with
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the um 50 wider memory bus
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and their non-ti card at the same time this will be the first time in a while
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that we've seen them actually launch a big core do you think it's gonna
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happen right when they bring out a new architecture i mean if there are rumors
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circulating at this point when we are a week from when they are
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less than a week from when they're rumored to be launching it yeah if there
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are rumors circulating where there's smoke there's fire at this
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point i've i've yet to see um a video card that's rumored to be
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launching next week with names and specs
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and many different sources being reported by many different news
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organizations um and everyone pretty much being on the
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same page about it i've yet to see that not turn into a real product launch so
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there you go if you're waiting for a graphics card then uh
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quick go sell yours now so the people who aren't paying
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attention to the tech news will see it and buy it yeah and then and
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then you can get your new graphics card that presumably will be faster but then
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maybe only in ray tracing applications wouldn't that be horrible well they're
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probably going to do the same kind of thing in terms of
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honestly i didn't watch the siggraph stuff whoops but they might have already
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but they are probably going to do the same kind of thing they did with the last launch with pascal where they're
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like it's three times faster in this specific application in vr
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related applications yeah so what i
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what i kind of am picking up here is if
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you look at the 1080 ti and you look at the 1080 i think there's what about a 30
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performance delta give or take 20 to 40
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somewhere in that range and what they had done the last couple
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generations was they had launched the step down GPU
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at a performance level that was competitive or a little bit better than
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last gen so 980 for example was a little bit faster than
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780 ti 1080 was a little bit faster than 980 ti
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even though this was the step down chip competing with the big chip from the
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last gen yeah if they're launching both 2080 and 2080 ti
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does that tell us that 2080 wasn't fast
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enough to be an upgrade for 1080 ti owners and they couldn't wait another
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six to eight months which has been the typical gap
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dun dun
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that would honestly line up a little bit more with like i know they do marketing stuff all the time and people want to
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sell cards so they never really want you to think something's coming until like
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super close to before it's coming yeah i mean like two months ago didn't you just
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say there's no new cards oh you think that no
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no there's no way they're just pascal with ray tracing to them
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why not it would not be the first time
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yeah it would be the first time for that well it would not be the first time that
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they essentially rebadged this would be like a rebadge with an upgrade that's
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even better there's no way that's all they've been working on for the last two years no but it might need it might be
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all they need to release
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the problem NVIDIA okay the problem here is that
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i i haven't seen any benchmarks for the
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touring based um
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the touring based are they are they quadros or teslas they're quadros so i
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haven't seen anything for the new cards they just launched at siggraph so i have
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no way of knowing how similar how similar those are to the pascal ones
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there's no way that's right it's probably not maybe someone in twitch chat is uh it's fun to think about
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something helpful here
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there's a bunch of people in a second they said touring is volta iterated
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and ray tracing is enabled by tensor cores
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so volta versus pascal i actually don't
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know clock for clock cuda for cuda core for
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cuda core how much that improved
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holy crap you don't think the new ones are just
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basically the old ones
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it's been a while since we've had that you know it's maybe with ray tracing
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bolted to them it might it might be time
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oh boy that would actually be very disappointing
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um okay well on that they do have much faster
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memory the memory is real fast
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yeah okay so good job miners
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right isn't mining like kind of dead right now
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uh i mean it's it's lower than it has been in the past but i
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know people that are still profitable really it's just you have to be in the
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right location because of right okay
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right and you're only profitable if you catch out or if you cash out that's the
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right time yeah and that's okay that's one of the ways that people have made a lot of money is they're actually my and
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who knows do not do this because i'm saying this
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yeah we're not recommending it to be very clear
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very clear about that yeah there have been people not you unless it is you i
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don't know there has been people that have mind
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when it's very not profitable right and gathered a bunch of coins and
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not sold and then it's gone up and then they've sold
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so because like mining while it's profitable
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is only actually better if you're selling like every day
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right right because it only actually matters
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when you sell sure except it's been down for like a while now except it often
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goes down at the beginning of the year and then doesn't do very well in the middle of the year and then comes up
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near the rest of the like the latter half of the year so who the heck knows
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man all right then i kind of hate mining but
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whatever um speaking of things that uh that we
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hate um i don't hate motorola but this
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was posted by roar and z roars nz on the
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forum and this is pretty brutal
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so hit me with your best shot luke mining
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tips no which one of these is an iphone 10 and
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which one of them is motorola's new phone no no you don't get to look anymore nope what what which one was
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which what which one was which
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i have no idea okay hold on hold on hold on get ready
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get ready i didn't see it that much okay you can see it again go ahead
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and it's gone which one's an iphone 10 i i can't i
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can't say with like an educated guess i don't know they're so similar i'm gonna
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randomly okay which one which one well okay the right one
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is the iphone 10 yeah yeah yeah okay because you can cheat now i was trying
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to ignore this yeah because that's pretty clear so i was just being like
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okay well they could have swapped that onto the thing but outside of this which
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is like hello i'm Android yeah um and especially the icons below it outside of
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that i can't tell at all isn't that brutal did they ch is it
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literally the same frame oh look at the
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back wow
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yeah i know right like
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what are you doing there bud like is this the same panel from samsung
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that's what i want to know because the curvature
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looks identical i haven't seen the did they advertise it with that color splash
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on it right did they because this is where at the top one of my biggest
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points of confusion was like did they just swap over the clock just to trick
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people that's why i was like what i don't know no no no this is a different phone
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so they even put the flash between the two rear cameras here and
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like so on the one hand i am far from the
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world's biggest apple apologist
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um but that's it's neither am i you're currently making a
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video about freaking trying to fix their
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stupid imac but like that's brutal
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that's design your own phone guys and i'm i'm not necessarily on apple's side
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with the whole lawsuit going on between them and samsung that's been going for
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about what seven years now or whatever over the original galaxy s and all the
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similarities that board of the iphone or whatever samsung has for the most part
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tried to do their own thang separate from apple the colors for a
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very long time the colors recently too they've really departed there this
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is brutal this is very brutal this is a brazen and blatant rip-off
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yeah brazen indeed i like that um thank you thank you i i worked hard on that
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forty dollar word
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um
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so i don't know imac again the argument that's raging right now is
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are these are these unique design elements the
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notch the camera placement um the wallpaper or is this just now standard
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building blocks of a phone and we shouldn't care about this kind of thing
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who are you with on this one i'm with apple in this one
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to be completely honest that's brutal there's like there's there's even little
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things that they could have done to make it a you know just marginally different
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yep um the notch both sides having the notch i don't
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necessarily see that being a huge deal personally
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um way to go you copied apple doing
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something literally no one asked for yeah
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um um hooray
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but like everything it's the it's the fact that
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everything is the same like if they had the notch but the back was different
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yeah if they didn't have the notch and the back was the same like at least like
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a little even then i'd be like oh they're trying to make it so that everyone else thinks that you haven't
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you could make it you could make the it's still not great
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but the fact that it's all that way is just at least you could make an argument
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that way and like at least put a notably different wallpaper
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what well you can i mean
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when they do something like that something completely blatant like the
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wallpaper you can tell that they're not they're clearly not
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targeting us they're not targeting the tech
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i think it's intentional confusion to a certain degree yeah yeah yeah i think
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they're i think they're targeting i saw ads for this one that looks like that
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one let me i think so i think it's i think it's i
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think it's going that way that's not cool i don't know if uh lenovo which is
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motorola's parent company now uh they own the brand i don't know if they have
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responded to this but uh i i would be interested to hear what
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they have to say for themselves if they're smart they'll probably just say
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nothing and hope the whole thing blows over but uh
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someone in the sorry it's not helpful
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because apple makes a lot of noise about getting copied or people ripping off
27:39
their design or you know it being frustrating to be you know the
27:43
one who's pushing design forward and
27:47
what's frustrating for me is when things like this happen
27:51
it adds a lot of weight to apple's whining yeah whereas if apple was just
27:56
constantly whining which they probably would anyway if apple was just
28:00
constantly whining about this stuff but they could never back it up
28:05
then it would actually be damaging to themselves
28:09
but as it is if companies like motorola
28:12
are running out and actually copying the iphone
28:16
it means that every time apple gets to cry about this we have to take it more
28:21
seriously do you get what i mean yo i absolutely do um but but
28:26
maybe it was intentional maybe motorola knew this was going to happen they
28:29
wanted it to happen uh people want us to show the p20 pro that's another now
28:34
we're actually talking about a motorola phone
28:38
on the lan show that's true we normally would not have done that
28:43
so here's the p20 pro it's not the same it's not quite the
28:48
same i actually would say it's a notable depart the notch is way smaller the
28:53
camera setup on the back is different i know it's similar but there's another camera the logo logo's not in the same
28:57
spot not in the center there's branding here there's only so much you can do
29:01
with a phone these days this is clearly a different phone
29:04
whereas that motorola phone was not
29:08
clearly a different phone and that's like if i was if i was super
29:12
ignorant to phones i wouldn't necessarily know which one of those was the iphone which one wasn't but i would
29:16
know that they were different phones like when you originally showed me that
29:20
thing if the time wasn't there if the like Android clock thing wasn't there i
29:25
would have legitimately thought that they were actually identical phones
29:29
and even then i thought they might have been and someone just photoshopped it over
29:33
um someone in the chat was like your guys'll stream is dead because we don't
29:37
have as many viewers as we normally do do you want to there's like reasons why
29:41
oh we can't promote the stream on youtube yeah we can't uh we can't like
29:45
normally we would do a video we would upload it to youtube saying hey we're
29:48
live over on twitch click the link in the video description but youtube gave
29:51
us a community guideline strike for doing that before so this is more like
29:55
our organic live streaming viewership through twitch honestly if we wanted
29:59
more views on lan show we would just stream it to youtube
30:02
our typical youtube stream viewership is over 10 000 concurrents we've had as
30:07
high as i think 20 30 like big big numbers compared to what
30:12
we do over here but honestly WAN Show at this point
30:17
is not really about lots of viewers no
30:20
it's actually probably even better having a slightly slower chat
30:24
yep it's not about lots of viewers it's not about lots of money we could get a
30:28
lot more sponsorship dollars for wancho if we managed it differently yeah like
30:32
if we published it properly as a podcast if we know about the issues with
30:37
that right no oh yeah apparently we've been doing
30:40
double uploads one of which is usually corrupted for like some period of time
30:45
oh i know yeah anyway yeah Colton's upload is corrupted well why does he
30:49
upload i've told him this i don't know okay yeah i thought he stopped
30:54
okay anyway there are definitely things we could do
30:58
to make WAN Show better but for us WAN Show is just about sort
31:02
of tradition at this point more than anything else
31:06
like luke has better things to do now that he's ceo of Floatplane media quite
31:10
frankly um well this is my like i work more
31:13
hours than normal anyways so my weekend essentially starts like right before
31:17
when show starts in like in how i calculate everything
31:21
this is like this is i'm time off essentially right now
31:25
so yeah we're just we're just kind of chilling doing our thing yeah uh telling
31:30
you about our sponsors like spectrum
31:33
uh oh i got some glasses yeah which ones you want that one
31:37
all right let's see you probably got the lady ones
31:42
actually i like these ones staring at a monitor all day can be hard
31:46
on your eyes and make it tougher to fall asleep spectrum is an affordable long-term solution to staring at a
31:50
computer screen where you still get to stare at the computer screen
31:55
using a software solution like flux and twilight doesn't give you the same type
31:58
of filtering that these do and spectrum's lineup includes many
32:02
stylish frames uh high high quality products with a one year warranty low
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color distortion so even though you're filtering blue light you're still not
32:10
looking at just the entire world as though it has a big yellow
32:15
like sheet of you know cinefoil on it
32:18
and the highest rated among their competitors on amazon so they are
32:22
primarily focused around canadian and u.s customers but they are expanding to
32:26
europe and they offer shipping internationally
32:29
next up this is interesting
32:34
well now that you did i feel like i need to do it
32:38
i think you did it better did i yeah i think so hold on let's try it let's try
32:42
again okay you go first
32:46
we'll let the audience judge okay hold on let's remember same time
32:51
okay well we'll let twitch chat just spam it and tell us who did it better
32:54
okay okay ready three two one
32:59
damn it okay
33:03
i think you won i just got cracked up oh okay okay okay okay hold on hold on hold
33:07
on no i'm just buddy i'm doing a good job i'll light my cheek i'll bite my
33:11
cheek all of chad is getting timed out
33:15
automatically by the bot right now so there's that
33:19
okay
33:24
that was my weakest one i want i want to see what what twitch
33:28
dad says
33:31
i saw a lot of me yeah i think james apparently james
33:35
james wins good job james late laser james
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34:31
and then finally we've got moss
34:35
is there supposed to be a thing oh
34:38
it's hard to tell the difference i'm actually using one of their backpacks right now i quite like this one so this
34:44
is the moss organizer does yours have the orange inside um i think i rave
34:49
about this like every time yes it does but i love that and you use it every day
34:53
so do you notice it uh when i'm looking for something in the bottom of my bag
34:56
yeah it's easier to find i can't now let's see if the one that they're
35:01
promoting on the show actually has i'm sure it does i think they all do oh
35:05
really yeah i think that's kind of their thing because their logo is orange right so it's got an expansion zipper so you
35:09
can increase the capacity or decrease it yeah personally i don't find that that
35:13
useful because i want my maximum capacity all the time i do the same so
35:16
much stuff but uh it's slightly wider and thinner oh it's got a wider and
35:20
thinner quick access pocket so is that uh this one i don't know what the quick
35:24
access pocket is but there you go this opens up a lot
35:28
this is some of the thread used to make the black pack i think they
35:34
meant backpack no that's the name of this oh the black oh i thought it was
35:39
the organizer well whatever oh the black pack oh cool yeah so it's apparently
35:43
really strong this is a handwritten note in here some
35:46
of our sponsors are hilarious i love that kind of stuff hilarious i think
35:50
that's super cool okay whoever wrote that note 10 out of 10.
35:54
okay now don't sandbag this okay well i want to try first
36:03
okay don't sandbag it break it if you can okay
36:07
he's been doing a lot of working out lately yes you got it no no no no the
36:11
tape came off i need more just your hands are small
36:17
i'm sorry you're not sorry you aren't sorry i can't get it out of
36:21
this thing oh i think i kind of did you break it yeah okay so you
36:25
managed to break it yeah can you do it again
36:30
oh wow it cuts into you before it breaks
36:34
i'll tell you that much
36:37
ah i need more okay okay all right not
36:41
bad in terms of other features they've got a sunglass holder in the top that's
36:44
been really handy on mine i have that same thing as well this one doesn't have quite as many
36:48
pockets as mine um frankly i don't end up using them a lot
36:52
of the time anyway oh and this one has their built-in um power strip thing
36:57
so you cable manage that through there's a hole somewhere around here
37:01
uh i can't remember exactly where it is but there's a cable management hole and
37:05
then it's got a regular outlet and it's got a couple of usb ports so the idea is
37:10
you can actually have all your devices and stuff like cable managed into your
37:13
bag so you can charge the whole thing by just oh am i holding it out of frame
37:17
sorry uh by just plugging in this one plug and then it just sits there and
37:21
all your junk inside charges including your laptop because it does have a full ac power i'm sorry for doing that to you
37:27
uh it's got a tablet holder as well as a laptop pouch and uh
37:32
it's got a five year warranty it's got a removable chest strap and uh
37:36
yeah that's pretty much it basically good stuff
37:41
really comfortable um i was using another bag for a little bit before this
37:45
one and i don't remember what this one's called and i don't think there's a label
37:50
anywhere that says what it's called but i'm sure you know
37:54
i'm sure you'll find it on their website if it comes to that but see it's got a
37:58
few more little like management things and especially this pocket the second
38:02
pocket i think this one's bigger it's got a few more little things that i
38:06
can put stuff in but i end up just kind of tucking everything into the bottom i
38:09
believe that's just called the moss pack okay so the pack i guess
38:15
so i did i did i busted it twice okay but it worked
38:19
the amount of effort that went into busting one thread was
38:22
was quite high i want to try again it kind of hurts i
38:26
know but i want to do it now
38:30
now that you did it i wouldn't have felt that if you couldn't do it
38:34
yeah like it doesn't feel like it's not comfortable yeah i think i almost cut
38:38
myself out like a few times
38:44
okay got it there you go okay okay so there you go moss challenge but it's a
38:47
single thread wow so like yeah no it doesn't feel like i've got yeah
38:52
yeah i've got those that's not a hand wrinkle that really hurts yeah
38:59
why do we do these things
39:03
all right so let's talk about uh thunderfoot's thing so um thunderfoot
39:08
back at it again with another myth busted
39:11
the three million dollar food scanner busted
39:15
so uh basically overall i watched part of the video and a lot of good points in
39:20
here about um these guys
39:23
look how credible she looks that's awesome um just feels like an infomercial
39:28
showing off their molecular scanner that they claim will allow you to uh see the
39:33
um the chemical breakdown of the food
39:36
that you pointed at or point their scanner at and
39:41
use something something infrared something something something something
39:44
something anyway uh the reason we're bringing this up is because
39:49
footage from Techquickie was taken out of context in such a way
39:54
that it appeared as though we had been sponsored by one of these molecular
39:58
scanner companies and hadn't disclosed it
40:02
and now
40:05
we are not entirely not at fault here what we didn't do
40:09
was validate that these particular molecular scanners because we did bring
40:13
up at least one of them in the video we hadn't validated that they actually
40:16
worked because the video was about the technology in general which does work
40:21
and we mentioned in the video at the end of the video we mentioned that these
40:27
handheld ones were okay so actually midway through the video we mentioned
40:30
these handheld ones are not going to replace the
40:34
much more expensive versions of this technology that are for lab use we do
40:39
mention that and we also say at the end of the video that
40:43
we can't speak to the efficacy of these particular devices at this time
40:48
but we say you know we're excited to see where this technology heads unfortunately the way that it was
40:52
presented in this video um it made it look as though we were
40:57
endorsing the technology and the product in particular and that we hadn't
41:00
disclosed some kind of sponsorship another note that we have here i haven't
41:04
seen our version of this video to be completely clear but i know how we make things we could have done a better job
41:09
of saying that we hadn't validated it fair uh but apparently we do say the
41:14
company's claims we don't say that it absolutely works
41:18
this way we say that they claim that they work this way
41:23
so basically i just wanted to pull
41:26
i just wanted to talk to you guys and say hey
41:29
no we were not sponsored yes we could have done a better job of
41:33
making sure that a product that we're using as an example of a technology that
41:37
we're talking about actually works and does not come across
41:40
as endorsed and and we could do a better job of making sure it doesn't come across as endorsed
41:45
but the fact of the matter is we were not
41:48
sponsored we have nothing to do with that company we've never talked to them
41:52
we've made no effort to get our hands on their molecular scanner and yeah it's
41:56
probably bs based on what i've seen so far
42:00
the other thing that i also don't know i actually i have not looked into this the
42:04
other thing that i don't know is how the timing lines up so i don't know if these
42:08
were actually available to try yet
42:12
oh um okay at the time that we made the video so
42:16
when did we make this yeah we're just going to be a lot more cautious about any pieces we do on emerging technology
42:21
but the thing that frustrated me was just that the way it was presented made
42:25
us look like complete idiots um
42:30
well i think that's kind of his goal right yeah i guess so pretty much ever
42:34
that's his shtick yeah that's that's cool i guess
42:39
all right so next up that's a bit of digging yeah that video
42:43
is kind of old now yeah it's a couple of years old nearing
42:47
a year and a half yep
42:50
always actually we've got other news so this was posted on the forum by
42:54
numlock21 and the original article is from video videocards.com so take that
42:58
for what it is uh let's just be let's just be very clear oh actually hold on
43:03
before we move on uh ran machan 97 asks are you going to
43:08
copyright strike them for using your content improperly no they haven't
43:11
actually okay well we could make the argument that taking it out of context um
43:17
could be improperly but that's something that we would have to
43:21
fight in court that's not something that is as simple as
43:26
because you used our footage it has therefore been used improperly there
43:30
could be a fair use defense there if the argument is made that
43:35
one entity is reporting on something another one has done
43:39
that's how you can get around having a whole lot of footage from a movie with
43:43
just voiceover if you are using it
43:46
in order to critique the movie um so no honestly
43:50
normally we wouldn't even bring up something like this it was just that
43:54
some members of our community that i actually recognized were in the comment
43:58
section on that video saying that they thought we were honest and they thought
44:01
we disclosed our sponsors and i wanted to make sure that you guys know we do
44:06
and never even had contact with them and we have nothing to do with those guys
44:11
aside from picking a topic that maybe was a little
44:15
premature someone brought up tarnishes your brand image perhaps i i don't think
44:19
we're gonna we're gonna do it we're not really in the in the market of signing
44:22
people yeah we're we're not really uh we're not really a drama channel like we
44:26
don't we don't really do that you know there's been there has been
44:30
far worse things that people have said about us but given that they didn't
44:35
raise the attention grabbed the attention of our community we have just completely ignored them because what's
44:40
the point of drawing attention to it yeah i mean all we've really done at
44:44
this point is give thunderfoot some more adsense revenue and that's really the
44:49
only thing that you accomplish typically through drama so
44:52
um i guess i'm gonna oh yeah okay i guess i'm gonna go off on a tangent here
44:56
i guess i'm gonna kind of um ruin youtube for a lot of the people that
45:00
haven't like clued into this but the vast majority of the drama you see
45:05
is manufactured not all of it but the vast majority not
45:09
all of it but more than you would probably think it is mutually beneficial
45:14
for two entities of some sort or another to
45:17
be feuding you know i wonder if that's the game
45:22
samsung and apple are playing like hold on a second
45:27
hold on a second think about this on a much don't much
45:32
hold on think about this on a much much larger scale fighting and nothing else
45:35
matters yes if apple wants their message to be that
45:42
their brand identity is unique and being copied
45:49
even i bet it costs less to sue samsung
45:54
than it does to market that on tv
45:57
and if samsung wants their message to be
46:00
that we we forged our own path
46:07
are they not better off fighting apple in court where it will be
46:11
reported on by the same news outlets they would have to buy banner space and
46:17
ad space on maybe do they even care who wins maybe
46:26
whoa now now look normally i don't go all conspiracy
46:31
theory tinfoil hat but
46:34
i do not yes we do we both do that's like part of this show
46:38
well okay not not not okay not implausibly okay i think this is very
46:44
plausible though so then you're not doing it implausibly
46:48
right okay
46:52
okay okay well entire twitch chat mind blown collusion
46:59
all the illuminati eyes bam Linus jones oh no that's not that's
47:04
not what i need oh boy uh don't say the full name apparently that can get you
47:08
like
47:16
the vast majority of the drama that you see
47:19
you know whether it's between actors or singers or i mean a great example of
47:24
this would be like wwe wrestlers
47:27
right that is just so that both people's
47:30
names wwe wrestlers don't even remotely try to
47:33
hide that though not fair that's kind of its own thing well no but the crazy
47:37
thing is some people can do don't see it okay
47:41
that's fair but like it is it is very directly communicated as i know
47:45
yeah i know but what i'm saying is other people aren't
47:49
doing that communication wwe is being fairly transparent it's a show fine
47:53
whatever i i'm just saying i'm busting some bubbles out there it's not my fault
47:57
that that bubble is entirely self-inflicted or that's like yeah okay
48:02
but i'm still busting bubbles and i'm still sorry yeah
48:06
twitch chat twitch chat's going nuts wrestling is real
48:11
yes olympic wrestling is real raslyn ksi versus logan paul
48:16
i don't even know who ksi is logan paul versus Jake paul
48:20
yeah that definitely logan paul versus x
48:23
like a variable yeah one of them is like really sharply on the decline now i
48:28
can't remember which one of the paul's yeah one of them is kind of leveled off
48:32
and the other one is like in a nosedive right now
48:36
oh yeah that's i was talking to um i was talking to conflicts about this earlier
48:40
so he was saying that it was an advantage for me starting up on youtube
48:44
when i did like 11 years ago because the
48:47
playing field was far smaller oh that bit but hold on so the playing field was
48:52
far smaller and i said yes that is an advantage no explosive growth
48:57
but it's also a double-edged sword yes because the audience was much smaller at
49:02
that time so if you can make yourself heard above the
49:07
noise above the vast number of creators
49:10
that there are on youtube you have the potential for far more growth than i did
49:16
back then and far faster but if you can't make yourself hurt
49:20
above the noise then you're basically
49:23
hooped which one is it they're both getting
49:26
like lots of subscribers every day
49:31
this is Jake's his monthly views is going back up and his monthly subs is on
49:34
like the tiniest incline ever but technically an incline um
49:40
logan's views is on a decline and his
49:43
subs is more or less flat they're they're both not doing nearly as
49:47
well as they were in july in july they were both freaking kings of the world
49:51
and to put this in perspective this monthly sub count is only marginally
49:55
higher than ours on Linus tech tips so
49:58
like yeah they're big or whatever but they're not like i i would consider us mid mid
50:04
tier yeah um we're not top tier youtubers in the in the sense that like
50:09
because everyone in the world that's like connected to the internet probably
50:13
knows has heard these guys name at some point yeah i don't even they're on tv they're
50:18
in the news yeah casey talked about them okay i
50:23
guess almost every news thing on youtube talked about him at one point for me
50:28
when i divide into tears it's less how much of a household name you are because
50:32
you know you could find you know ex hollywood actors who have like
50:35
semi-retired but still make youtube videos or whatever that's not their feel
50:39
like so okay when i divide it into two disney my point is that i don't take
50:44
like the entire uh yeah yeah
50:47
you got to see it as a pyramid not as like some kind of a linear scale
50:52
because if we were to take all the youtubers in existence yeah we're
50:55
probably in the top fraction of a percent yeah that doesn't matter in
50:59
every category but that's not we're still mid-tier because there's only so
51:03
much room at the top and the guys that are at the top are on a very very
51:08
different level in terms of the momentum that their channels have the number of
51:11
views each of their videos get um so definitely a step down how is a
51:16
five million plus subs channel mid tier uh because there's like a few reasons
51:21
yeah there's far more to life than subscribers yes so here going back to
51:24
these numbers social blade's a great site i actually spend a fair bit of time
51:28
creeping other creators on there it is a great site so Linus tech tips good job
51:31
boys has never done 400
51:36
million views in a month Linus tech tips has still done a mere
51:42
one point i think it's about 1.5 billion views ever so to put that in perspective
51:48
in a single month uh logan paul
51:52
did a quarter as many views
51:56
as Linus tech tips has ever done in its
51:59
10 year history
52:02
that is a different tier yeah when you're talking an order of
52:07
magnitude difference in viewership and
52:11
or like like what do what do we do in a month they also what didn't they only
52:15
join youtube well okay i think they had channels before them but did they
52:18
effectively join youtube like two years ago or something so Linus tech tips is
52:23
top month ever here let's have a look uh mind you our trajectory is looking a
52:27
little bit nicer but its top month ever was 68 million views
52:34
which is pretty good it is but
52:37
that is an order of magnitude difference and whenever someone is 10x
52:41
well they get to sit in a higher level of the pyramid
52:44
yeah um and to be clear like i'm not like mad about it or anything it's just
52:49
that you know if i was if i was even a different content sphere there's like a
52:53
lot of things that are different yeah it's not it's not about that it's just
52:57
about like when we're when we're comparing something like our our
53:01
viewership numbers to theirs and that's stuff that we'll do but not
53:05
to you know see who has the biggest dick or whatever it's it's more to do with if
53:09
we observe some kind of a change in our viewership yeah when we go okay is
53:14
google tweaking the algorithm what are they optimizing for we'll go and we'll
53:18
look at other channels known quantities and we'll go okay so the the big
53:22
channels the tier one channels we all see a little different they're going
53:25
this way or they're going this way yep yeah or we'll find some small channels
53:28
that we like to use as a yardstick oh these guys are getting boosted okay so
53:32
maybe youtube is favoring or we'll look at people who upload very prolifically
53:36
or we'll look at people who upload only once a week and we'll go oh interesting
53:39
so they're favoring very frequent uploaders or we'll look at people who
53:43
upload typically longer videos or shorter ones so we can use these metrics
53:48
to have a look at how youtube is tuning the algorithm that's one of the things
53:51
that we spend a fair bit of time on because for better or for worse our job is only
53:56
partially to make videos our job is also
53:59
to make people watch those videos on the youtube platform which behaves like a
54:04
a bucking bronco on acid yeah in terms of its prediction i like that
54:08
descriptive term that yeah to be real though and another thing is um in terms
54:13
of sub count a lot of people subscribe to a channel and then just slowly stop
54:16
watching it especially when the content type changes and like the the content type from back
54:21
when we were at ncx with the like zero editing unboxings yes that are five
54:26
minutes long to what we have now is a drastic change
54:30
and there's people that might prefer the old unboxing style and there's people
54:34
that might prefer now and there's probably a lot of people that don't
54:37
necessarily watch anymore because all they wanted was unboxings but they're
54:40
still subscribed because youtube will just slowly hide our channel
54:43
if you look at a channel like pewdiepie he has changed
54:47
drastically and like a few times yeah so he has like huge
54:53
buckets of users from different and he's been huge every
54:57
time he's changed so he has huge buckets of users from all these different
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segments that are all subscribed to him all the same time that doesn't mean they're all watching right now
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if you look at the subscriber count versus the views it's it's yeah you know
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what this is a great example because it's as close to apples to apples as we
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can do both techwiki and techlinked are
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tech channels so they exist within the tech vertical they are both being
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uploaded from the same ip there's some speculation that your geographical
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location does affect the way that your content gets propagated um they are both
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hosted at least sometimes by the same
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people they are similar lengths they
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both have one baked in sponsor spot so there's a lot of analogs that we can
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find between these two channels but what you're going to see is that like what
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luke was saying because Techquickie has a much older
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audience many of the subscribers from which have sort of died on the vine
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techquicky is going to do let's have a look here anywhere from
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hundred 275 twenty thousand one hundred and ninety thousand three hundred thousand so why
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don't we say anywhere from two hundred thousand to three hundred and fifty
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thousand one back over the last couple of weeks there's some spiky ones but on
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two hundred to four hundred why don't we say that there we go this one just went up five hours ago so we're not counting
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that now let's go have a look that won't even have updated properly TechLinked which
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has not 2.2 million but only 488 000
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subscribers and let's have a look at our viewership there 335 from a day ago 383
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300 238 286 275 244 238 444 000 276
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another 400 another 400 000 one
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so consider this so back to the whole um
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would someone like logan paul be in a different tier than us especially when
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he's doing you know 400 million views a month so yeah he might have only had 12
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million subscribers at that time but given that they were all fresh and you
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look at TechLinked which has one sixth
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as many subscribers or so as techquickie but does similar viewership because its
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subscribers are fresh and you consider how much bigger than
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his engaged audience probably was at that time given that it was a bigger and
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b much fresher that means it's probably more than just
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like a 10x difference i mean we're probably talking more like a 20 or 30 x
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difference in terms of the engaged audience apparently you have you have glitter somewhere on your face and
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twitch chat literally will not stop talking about it i don't know
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i actually drive that car yeah so yeah
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that there's glitter on my face is not surprising my son i'm just i've tried doesn't want to get into it
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i don't blame him it looks like it actually is like sick
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it looks like a sick car i just found out
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that i might be being sent down to san
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francisco in the near future i am so surprised why
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um i don't know you travel all the time sponsored thing okay but no no the
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important thing about san francisco oh boy
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is that oh boy that you should do a video on it is the
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location of lightning motorcycles you shouldn't
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buy one but you should do a video on it you should contact them seriously or is
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it lightning bikes no is it lightning motorcycle yeah there we go
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so i actually have reached out to them good
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since we last talked about it and i have arranged for a test ride nice
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yep uh to buy one just like for a video yeah
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um i told them i was considering buying one
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are you filming it uh you should phone maybe not wow i
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don't know a lot it's a really cool bike it's electric and stuff yeah do you
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think i should film it i think so i don't know should we straw pull it yeah
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yeah they're just going to say yes yeah they're the lan show audience like
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if we told them should we make a video of me and luke just eating our boogers
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for like six minutes like seeing who can see who can harvest the most booger like
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they'd probably be into it not that we're saying you guys don't
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have you know great taste
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um you know the most discerning viewers
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but no oh no no no no don't straw pull
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that why not i want to show how to test our theory
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oh okay they're obviously going to say yes i'll do the other one okay just just
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put it just put it in the twitch chat just put it in the twitch chat here on
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screenshot the bike one is my screen's sharing you it's gonna be no no question
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go back go back to your results
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a whole bunch of people in chat are saying boogers yes
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ah oh dude yes is that 80 right now 77 79
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80. we're holding on okay so what we're gonna find out here because i'm about to
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post my poll it's okay is if people would prefer
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boogers or bikes boogers is holding on at 79
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right now okay hold on i need i need a minute here oh
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that's because you're a bikes voter
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there's nothing wrong with being a bikes voter it's a good thing
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it's better than being a booger photo you keep telling yourself that's
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disgusting we would watch that
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i mean like isn't like the popping pimple niche like huge on youtube what
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no yeah no like cysts and pimples and stuff is like a
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huge millions of views can you post that for me i'm not logged in
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you have got to be careful oh did you send it to me
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i thought so i tried
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yes um oh hold on you know what i think i'm fine i'm logged in
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uh hold on no i'm not logged in yet wait
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yes i am logged in and you're sharing my screen i'm logged
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in yeah i'm showing your screen don't worry about it oh oh right right right right okay well whatever i'm logged in
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there we go all right let's see the bike results
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boogers held steady at around eighty percent seventy we're zen at 78. you've
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got it with a thousand votes we're at about a thousand rounds
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all right let's just let me get to the results page here this is ridiculous
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okay okay okay so the audience has spoken they prefer bikes to boogers yeah
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um by a pretty significant margin i am so surprised pretty significant
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yeah 94 versus 78
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is i would say a significant margin
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it's significant significant the word has a freaking yeah no definition i know
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but there's been significant no you're not definition no no
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we're doing this we're doing this right now okay uh
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uh okay i think it's a letter grade difference probably caused by something
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other than mere chance statistically significant okay
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so it's significant it is all right yeah and you know what else is significant
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the end of the win show
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we have to go home can't happen by mere chance
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actually it's happened by chance a lot it has so thanks for watching guys we'll
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see you again next week same bat time same bat channel bye
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cougars are riot
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are you guys doing a games bump
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i'm i'm not going to gamescom i'm going to packs west i don't think i'm working
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there though so meet up um
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yeah so i was invited to gamescom by NVIDIA
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and uh basically i'm at the point now where
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traveling for four days factor in a
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uh a ticket like a plane ride there plane ride back so there's a couple days
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because it's in germany it's not exactly close
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there's no direct flight so it's like a day of travel each way
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plus you know actually being there and attending the event
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i'm at the point now where i'm just like not gonna do that kind of thing anymore
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because um well they they for some insight they they brief you on it
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immediately before the stream the like NVIDIA stream yeah and they
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don't tell you as much as they're gonna as they
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and your embargo is after the stream so there's actually no point in being there
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you might as well be back in the studio you should probably just like be here
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and ready to go just like be on the Techquickie set
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yeah maybe i might just not even or who cares yeah i don't know like
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i don't know i'm i'm getting kind of tired of of manufacturing if it's that
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but if it's that tweaked and a few things added pascal
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i'm getting kind of tired of manufacturers trying to control
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the use cycle yeah um like i've talked about this off stream before but like
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uh this whole thing where there's an announcement embargo and an unboxing
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embargo and a reviews embargo and a freaking
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i don't know new color scheme embargo um you know and to me what it's
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max of is wanting wanting like because none of it's
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they're trying to flex yeah to make you do a whole bunch of pieces of content
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yes and that's that's what it is the problem we don't have a problem doing content
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we'll do content about all kinds of things we uh we lift our threadripper wx
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up to a chiller like there's a commercial chiller you can just buy it's
64:26
for an aquarium it goes down to yeah four degrees yeah and it's like nicely
64:30
self-contained i should show it to you after it's actually really sick it's not even that expensive when you consider
64:34
what a custom water cooling loop can cost um anyway so you know we hooked our
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Threadripper wx up to that um you know overclocked it as high as we could like
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yeah that that's fine but the difference is that a lot of the kind of coverage
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that you are expected to be doing in this announcement on boxing stuff the
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only information they give you is basically marketing bullet points so
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what they're effectively asking for is free advertising and i'm at the point
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now where i don't do advertising for free and you can kind of
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you can read into that whatever you want you know maybe it comes across maybe i come
65:07
across like a prick i don't know i don't think so but at the end of the day if
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you expect me to advertise your product then i expect you to pay me so that i
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can pay my bills and pay my staff and disclose it to the audience and disclose
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it to the audience that's how advertising works and that's why i think
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you don't come across like a prick because that kind of stuff should be disclosed if you want advertising then
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fine but you have to pay for it it isn't free and it should be a transaction
65:32
objective coverage of the product the way that i want to cover it then just
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send the product and we'll do it on our terms yeah so
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that's kind of the way i see it now anyway that's it for the stream bye guys goodbye