MASSIVE CPU vulnerabilities, Meltdown, Spectre - WAN Show Jan. 5 2018
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·Linus Tech Tips
·2018-05-06
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welcome to the WAN Show the first WAN Show of 2018 and
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uh the last wednesday the last WAN Show of this week
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before ces there we go i forgot what was important yes is gonna happen soon yeah
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that's that's i'm gonna blame my mind scattering on that so who's all going
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because this is your first year it's my first year it's gonna be alex's first
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year alex the greatish yeah it's gonna be Jake's first time uh away from home
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yes away from the nest his mom's driving him to the airport but after that he's a
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free man in vegas 18. i'm going to give her a
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wink from the parking lot there oh yeah a knowing smile
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oh wow um and then so so you alex Jake max
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yeah and then i think that's everyone who hasn't been
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i'm not sure if pelo was there last year or not he's been around there's gonna be
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a pack of us though hey brandon look out was pella at ces last year yes yeah okay
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so it's out so it's all just writers who weren't there last year
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whoa and max coleman was almost here i almost jumped in from the camera right
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all right okay so that's that's what's going on with ces that's going to be
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next week expect a huge torrent of videos to be hitting youtube and
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Floatplane it's going to be insane tons of stuff coming excited and stressed
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you should be already it's a pretty insane experience i have performance
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anxiety on the one hand i'm so stoked because as a kid i i subscribed to xbox
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magazine and they were always talking about going to e3 yeah and i was like oh that's so amazing it's totally different
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sure but i never thought that i'd go to any yes giant conference like that and
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see all this cutting-edge stuff face up cbs is more
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more insanity in terms of like that suits me
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the the people on the floor where you need to go so e3 is nicely contained in
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one building and they're like super way
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more hardcore or at least they were they've loosened it up a little bit
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about who could go so there wasn't a ton of people on the floor and it's all in
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one building this is well early in the earlier days like in the early 2000s it
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was less expensive yes yes and then they tightened it up yeah you should grow
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your beard longer you have so much more wisdom than i do and our beards are the
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same length this doesn't make any sense uh but yeah ces is going to be insane um
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i'll be at ces with a mustache no wisdom your first time all that off yeah no no
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i was like i don't know
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either way what we're going to talk about this week is a lot of Intel stuff a lot of ARM stuff
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a lot of AMD stuff as you guys know uh cpus right now are in kind of a terrible
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spot with meltdown and spectre both going around rampaging things where i'll
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talk about um we're going to talk about what different
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companies are doing to deal with this how it's being dealt with how it might
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affect you how it's affecting other companies different responses that are happening
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due to it all that kind of stuff we're gonna talk about all that kind of stuff and there's a bunch of other interesting
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things as well um like some stuff to do with spotify
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uh and luke's super secret new year's
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resolution well the intro for dramatic effect
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yes
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i made that last bit up
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eat about as much sugar as i usually do
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yay sponsored strasbourg for making this
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show viable moving back okay
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let's get into it um i'm going to post
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an rs technica thread it was uh or a
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post uh an article article there we go we'll go with that it's posted by uh
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peter bright it's a very good article thank you peter bright for making a very
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nice concise package this is everything that's going on it's way too long most
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people aren't going to read it grab a coffee and a donut to go through it kind of article there's a lot of information
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this whole story is like an onion with layers yeah so we're going to take
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you through the entire story of how these vulnerabilities were discovered uh
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the what the response from the parties involved was and kind of all the
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insanity that has ensued and is still ensuing today yes so i'm gonna jump
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slightly forward and explain what they are and then we'll jump back to the start
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and explain how it was found and all that kind of stuff okay sense okay and
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jump around a little bit it's gonna be crazy tension so i'm gonna steal some of
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this from rs technica again thank you very much peter bright uh mel so there's
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two main uh vulnerabilities and they're kind of
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related they are kind of related they they source from the same type of uh
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area so jumping to the rs article um
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modern processors perform speculative execution that's where a lot of this is
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based on that is where a processor will assume what needs to be done next and do
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that thing do those calculations and then if it is wrong and that isn't
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what's happening next that is fine it doesn't matter it ditches all that code
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no big deal if it's right then hey it's already done it and it's able to execute
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that thing faster this is a great thing it makes things run a lot faster
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it's not a big deal that it's running some code and coming up with some
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answers and then ditching those answers because it's making a lot of other
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things faster when it does guess correctly pretty much only upside
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yeah this is a property of modern cpus yes
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that would be a reason why spoiler alert
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these these vulnerabilities don't really have as much of an impact on older much
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older chips yeah um so spectre and meltdown
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that we're going to be talking about today um are
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it perturbs the processor state in detectable ways which is bad that
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essentially when you break that down means that these vulnerabilities can
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watch even though it doesn't have access to
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these code paths these speculative execution code paths it can figure out
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what they're doing which is bad because it gives them more
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information and it could result in more things down the line
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meltdown inspector is what we know of right now so again to break down what
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meltdown and spectre are meltdown it's applicable to every Intel chip made
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for many years i don't think we know necessarily right now actually there is
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a list yeah you should show the list i don't entirely know if the list is you
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don't believe my list oh we didn't do screenshots we have an HDMI
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the classic meme of wancho which is it's late screen
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sharing is never not prepared and audio doesn't work
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yes except what screen is that
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that's not up on either
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that's awesome um hold on
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anyways there is a list i can post it in the twitch chat so you guys can check it
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out yourselves suffice to say it's basically every Intel trip for the last
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15 years yeah kind of a big deal and it's going to affect different chips in
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different ways which is another interesting part newer chips have
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certain standards which will actually help them deal with this um a little bit
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better than certain older chips it also affects different programs differently
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so certain programs are going to get hit by this really heavily
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microsoft has found i will go into that more later but microsoft has found that
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certain antiviruses have been using things in undocumented ways that utilize
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this type of stuff so when they try to turn
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it off again we're going to get into that more later i'm trying to be vague because we'll go more deeply into that
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later uh it causes problems for the antivirus programs which is a nightmare
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but anyways it's all it's all a whole mess but basically a verbal table of contents
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thank you uh meltdown chapter one applicable to
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every Intel chip for many years listed in the twitch chat um and will be in the
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dock if you access the forum so if you're watching
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this on youtube or you're listening to this on soundcloud which a few people do
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it does actually happen some people do listen to this on soundcloud uh you can
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go into the description and there will be a forum link if you go to that
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that'll show the doc and in the doc there will be a link with all capital
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letters that says list of affected Intel cpus anyways moving on every Intel chip
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for many years along with certain high performance ARM designs only high
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performance ARM designs this flaw depends on the way that
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operating systems share memory between user programs and the kernel and the
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solution right now um carries some
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performance penalty in certain cases really brutal ones i believe the highest
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reporter that i've seen is about 30 percent yeah but i think that's more
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anonymous it's usually i think it's usually especially if i have a newer CPU
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it's about five percent yeah yeah it's no very rarely that bad it's also only
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certain processes and programs that are gonna get affected by it and it's also
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less as impactful if you have newer chips and it's going to depend on what you're doing too i've heard in gaming it
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can be it can result in like three frames
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per second yeah fbs so yeah but it really is gonna depend
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um but the the answer to this is to put an
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end to that sharing of memory between user programs
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and the kernel which is why there's that performance penalty and then spectre um
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it's applicable to chips from Intel AMD and ARM
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this is where some of the confusion came in that we're going to talk about soon where uh AMD didn't think they were
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susceptible to anything and then now it's just Intel's susceptible to more
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stuff and everyone's susceptible to some things and each company is trying to
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minimize what are the the optics yeah like
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AMD said this is a near zero chance of affecting us and and Intel doesn't want
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their stock to drop so they're saying yes it does affect you yeah yeah it's a
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lot of politics involved as well there's a huge amount of politics in this we'll
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get into that a little bit more in the future um
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yeah it even says Intel AMD ARM and probably every other processor on the
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market that offers speculative execution which is like all of them um
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it's also more subtle it encompasses a trick testing array bounds to read
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memory within single processes which can be used to attack the integrity of
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virtual machines and sandboxes which is rough that's a big deal for the
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cloud yeah um and and cross process
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attacks using processors branch predictors which is the thing that i was
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mentioning earlier where it can uh take little bits of resulting
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information to figure out what it was actually doing fixes for some aspects of
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spectre appear to have been developed already but protecting against the whole range
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of fixes will require modification or at least recompilation of at-risk programs
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and that is also a very rough part
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because that brings way more players into the space because now you're
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talking about programs too so i think it's fair to say that the only true fix
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is new chip architecture
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um one it depends what we're talking about
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unfortunately the sketchy one that requires the most amount of tinkering
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level fixing for the most amount of people is spectre which affects
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everybody everybody that has speculative
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processing um which so that's that's
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really annoying but you can on a single
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system know that you're okay if
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you go through like everything make sure everything has been uh modified or
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recompiled that is affected by this make sure your os level is happy all that
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kind of stuff turn on Windows updates guys
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at least yeah um
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it's this this it's it's it's kind of a nightmare so how did this first get
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discovered do you want to jump us there i know i thought i was the only question
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but i i can clarify some things because you know okay
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so the way this was discovered was through google project zero
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project zero is one of those little google subsidiaries that has a
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specific task their task is to find what are called zero day bugs or
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vulnerabilities that's where the zero from project zero comes from that's right so basically you're finding a bug
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as soon as you can as fast as you can and fixing it as soon as it's found so
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the way this works is there are bug bounties a certain amount of money put
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up if bugs are found so all these freelancers joe schmoe's hackers
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white hats around the world are actively searching for bugs
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among the uh the suite of software and hardware that
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is on project zero's list so a company can say we're on your list we want your
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freelancers uh to find bugs for us yeah
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so a person it's a really cool program uh found this vulnerability i believe in
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the summer time actually it's been a bit people have been working on this for a
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little while yeah and they notified Intel at the time
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yeah but it's only just become known to the public this week one quick thing
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someone in the chat was like idiot this doesn't affect iphones apple has already
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issued um apple has updated both iOS and macOS to
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use dual page table mappings i believe
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specifically for spectre yeah so
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it does affect the thing is it's such a low level vulnerability
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that if apple is going to patch it they're doing it at a higher level so
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they're only going to be able to defend
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from certain aspects of it yeah well and
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there's some nice stuff like we're jumping around all over the place i know
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it's gonna be a little bit hard to follow um i would highly recommend checking out
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the WAN Show doc on the forum for this reading a few of the different actual
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articles that have been properly posted we're trying to talk live
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the rs article is really good but also with something like this
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you should cross-reference information just to make sure you're getting everything good so if this is affecting
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you or you're really interested in this i would definitely recommend diving into it but
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people like amazon with s2 instances are pushing updates of their own which is
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like handling everything on their side which is really nice um but there's
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that's that's not the case in all situations but sorry continue
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well you continue so what happened after that they found it moving after that the
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universities they made a nice white paper about it yeah so universities from
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america i remember it because it's 3a countries america austria and australia
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boom um oh no it did this thing
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randomly when we're doing the WAN Show i get signed out of my google account and
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i have to it's okay i don't actually need it this second i'll get signed in
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while i'm talking oh lastpass oh this whole thing you're screwed it's so much
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you're gonna need your yeah and everything now hopefully not we'll see though
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but yeah universities from america australia and austria and google project
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zero and people working at microsoft and
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google and amazon and all these huge companies all came together to try to
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work on this and they've been working on it actually
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for quite a while
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there's this is where we get into
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there's a lot of different information and it's a little bit confusing what
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happened next but the public figured out and the public figured out
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not that long ago uh the main
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article that really blew up in a lot of people's minds because it was much more
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public-facing i believe was the register article
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register.cod at uk which is posted in the landoc if you want to check it out
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on the forum that was as far as i know one of the
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biggest explosions in terms of more people knowing there was talk about
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it on on more like programmer focused back channels this was a big news outlet
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bringing it on i could be wrong about that it could have been someone else first this is the first one i saw same
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and i think it's the first one most people saw
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it got to there as far as i know
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because a programmer at AMD
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pushed code to the Linux kernel let's see here ah
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yeah so there was an embargo on all this kind of stuff through the google project
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zero platform um not everyone agrees with having embargoes on these types of
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things some people position themselves with like all information should be open
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everyone should know everything that's going on um and your opinion on that is
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whatever's ease but there was an embargo and it wasn't like technically
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broken i don't know you can frame that however you want um but
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yeah so it says it's true that AMD didn't actually reveal the details of
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the flaw before the embargo was up but one of the company's developers came
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very close and close enough to infer what was actually going on
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an AMD developer contributed a Linux patch that excluded AMD chips from the
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meltdown mitigation in the note with the patch the developer wrote the AMD micro
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architecture does not allow memory references including speculative
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references that access higher privileged data when running in a lesser privileged
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mode when that access would result in a page fault so with that information
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knowing that people are writing code and it's extremely
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important having that basically is like
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we are not vulnerable to this and knowing that people are working on
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something very major and he's like excluding themselves from you can kind
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of figure out what's going on um but then the guy kind of got uh
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murked by a but wait there's another there's more
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yeah so there's always two this is where the politics part comes in because and
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okay this is where it gets confusing too
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because i have also heard that there was stuff at google that was
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leaked there's also been some emails that have been leaked there's been tons
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of different stuff i'm not entirely sure which spark was lit first
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this is what i read in the arts technica article there's other stuff that i've
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read who knows anyway it got exposed to the public at some point
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and from there people started freaking the hell out and that was mostly based
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around meltdown that's where we got most of our
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information about meltdown which AMD is essentially
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as of right now as far as i know as far as i've seen published everywhere
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they're excluded from that they're fine with meltdown and that's why there's a
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bunch of confusion even when you google this because there's a timeline here
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where the first part of the media wave was everyone responding to meltdown and
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saying like yeah you're going to read articles that say AMD is not affected
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it'll say that in bold um but it depends when that was written yeah like the the
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the register article which exposed a lot of this stuff and really started
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exploding things like i was saying earlier specifically says Intel CPU
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design flaw um then there's another one by the
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enquirer that says Intel ARM and AMD all
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affected by meltdown and spectre security bypassing CPU design flaw in
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the freaking title so who knows because that one says that AMD is affected by
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meltdown but then almost everything else is saying that AMD isn't affected by
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meltdown i'm kind of going with the isn't side of things but then this is where it gets
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political because AMD goes hahaha we're
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not affected where everything's fine and then Intel releases super vague
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really confusing details like uh one of my favorite lines it's it's in the rs
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article um the company's initial statement produced
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on wednesday says for example these exploits do not
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have the potential to corrupt modify or delete data
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um which is great because that is completely not the point and no one
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claimed that it did any of those things that's like there's another cnbc article
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uh someone in the forum linked where it's like
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this doesn't affect NVIDIA
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but it's just a relevant title for all those or AMD graphics like all the
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non-techie people who just bought NVIDIA's stock because it was going gangbusters this year yeah they're like
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thank god computer stuff we're safe
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yeah so it's it's it's confusing for a lot of people again i would highly
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recommend that you read these articles but we'll do our best to go through stuff but anyways that's where it
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started getting political because AMD is trying to sit over here and be like yes
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it's not us and then Intel's responding to that by being like uh confusing
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statements and then i like that AMD dance you did yeah
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but then spectre comes out of nowhere and now it's everybody everybody's
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included everyone who uses speculative processing
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not even just ARM Intel and AMD which is
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all the ones we largely know about but like basically every chipmaker that uses
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speculative processing you're screwed lock up your daughters and shoot your
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sons
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that was a grand tough dollar reference yes yeah uh so i want to talk about what
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how how affected is the average person here what can they do about it because
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i've i have heard slash read that
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even though the vulnerability does affect all these chips that we all have
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this isn't something that you can really exploit willy-nilly does it take quite a
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bit of work to as far as i know it takes quite a bit of work most random people are not going to
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be targets for this as far as i know again this is really early especially
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right now and i'm juggling a lot of different conflicting information but
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especially if right you're adept at exploiting this right now you're going
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to go for the the highest value juicy targets not not for um
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bob schwarmez's battlefield 4 gaming pc
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i just came up with that name i like it though it's pretty sweet does that make
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that a gamer he's got a restaurant um oh yeah yeah oh i just touched shawarmas
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okay oh nice he gets that all the time yeah
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that makes sense yeah anyways yeah like it's it's very unlikely that uh
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your personal pc is gonna get attacked it's very unlikely to tie back to that
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dude calling someone an idiot in the twitch chat that your iphone is going to
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get attacked but essentially all these processors are susceptible to spectre
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there are updates that are coming certain programs are going to have to be
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recompiled or modified those things are going to happen especially for major
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mainline programs so we can look forward to a lot of blue
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screens at ces you look forward to a lot of updates um
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Windows updates program updates lots of different things are going to be
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updating this is where we're going to tie into what different companies have done
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ARM has released a really really nice white paper detailing how it affects
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their processors and all this kind of stuff which is going to be uninteresting
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for almost everybody in this audience because those are
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for the most point not consumer level processors and what i mean by that is
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not consumer serviceable processors they're things like in your phone or in
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your iot devices or all these other kind of things i doubt that you're
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running a desktop setup that has an ARM
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processor but you know you might be doing something weird
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it's possible you could plug in your phone if it's possible it exists yeah it's out
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there you could plug in your phone and use like external keyboards and do weird stuff
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yeah it's it's i doubt anyone watching has that set up
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but it is possible anyways uh are you ready for this aspect
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oh let's jump let's jump there in a quick moment so so yeah apple is already
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releasing updates for iOS macOS and
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dealing with some other crazy things microsoft is going ham the microsoft
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section of this article is super long one thing that i really like that they
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did microsoft has already published a powershell script that describes the
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current system protection against meltdown inspector on your computer um
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so if you're into powershell if you're comfortable with that
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check out the rs article it's linked in the forum link in the description if
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you're watching this on archive if not i've already posted in twitch chat there
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you go and you can check out what's going on on
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your own system they're releasing updates for edge internet explorer
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uh Windows itself uh mozilla is trying
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to copy some of them
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yeah whatever they're trying to copy some of their approaches to different things there's
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tons of stuff going on microsoft uh has already updated its azure cloud
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computing platform which is awesome i would expect that google was updated
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before we even heard about this oh they've been on top of this for a
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long time yeah amazon has already started rolling out
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patches for ec2 in terms of meltdown
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again spectre is going to be weird for all this kind of stuff i'm mostly talking about meltdown uh google's two
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consumer facing operating systems Android and chrome os both depend on
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Linux kernels and that's already been being worked on as i mentioned earlier
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the AMD guy working on Linux kernels um
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and most and but most Android hardware
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and most an Android is a weird thing to think about because
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uh there's a lot of really low end Android devices most people don't think about um but
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isn't susceptible to meltdown yet
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but that's going to change probably anyways right now it's a huge mess
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everything's a mess it's mostly a mess because it was leaked
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and when it was leaked everyone had to scramble super hard to solve it instead
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of trying to take their time and be very coordinated
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about everything and very behind the scenes and then one day you just get a Windows update you don't even know
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anything was ever wrong um no instead of that everyone's freaking the hell out
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and trying to solve all this at once and speaking of how this was very behind
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doors for a while huh uh Intel ceo sold
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what is it like 49 or 24 million 24 million dollars worth of
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stock right so he knew about this google told Intel about this in the
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summer uh so the ceo knew
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that they were going to have a fiasco once the public found out about this
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he knew the gravity of the situation and then before
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this became public he sold 24 million dollars worth of his stock in the
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company which was a major i think a majority of his stock
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so that doesn't look very good no um
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but but i think this is actually kind of clickbaity
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because Intel says that the stock sale was
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unrelated to the vulnerability and came as part of a planned divestiture program
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and those things are things they exist um the other thing is Intel stock price
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has only fallen about two bucks since
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this fiasco kind of hit the public so that's it's not like it tanked and this
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is like a huge insider trading thing granted two dollars like with the number
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of shares outstanding it's still like millions of dollars
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coming and going mostly going from Intel stock right now so it is
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it is huge but i think this is a little clickbaity
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it's it it really depends um i'm sure there's going to be legal oversight into
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this because like man if if
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if that was planned without insider trading and this was
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just routine whatever the timing on that yeah
27:34
like you couldn't be worse in the last huge amount of years it could could not
27:38
be worse timing so it could be an unfortunate coincidence i think people
27:42
claiming that it's insider
27:45
are you can't really hammer on them too hard
27:50
because there's a lot of things a lot of red lights going off in terms of timing
27:54
in terms of how much it was 24 million dollars is quite a bit of money i also
27:58
read this is why this is so confusing i read a number that was over 40.
28:02
um but like i'm not even saying it's right because i just read that like well
28:07
actually if this program uh it could be in multiple phases so that was the
28:11
number that went out recently in december so it could be over 40 like
28:15
since summer since he's known maybe sure yeah i don't know um
28:20
yeah it's a mess but
28:23
potentially looking into his legal ramifications for what that might
28:28
potentially end up being in terms of insider trading or not and i'm sure if
28:31
it was planned he has tons of documentation for it and if it goes back
28:35
before this bug was released to them he's gonna be fine um if it doesn't
28:40
that's gonna that's gonna be a little bit if it was planned and it is fine you're probably
28:45
not gonna hear about it because no one's gonna click on that article yeah it's just it's gonna be boring it's not a
28:49
story it'll be too boring to bring up on wayne's show you know it's not boring
28:53
until getting sued over this vulnerability super hard yeah there are
28:57
multiple lawsuits uh hold on one quick second before we go forward this article
29:02
was posted by sc2 mitch on the forum the
29:05
previous one was found by james uh and
29:08
the big whole entire thread the source
29:12
that we have for that is doctor who 1975 on the forum he's getting the credit but
29:16
there actually are like six i'm sure there's a lot and i'm sure there's going
29:19
to continue to be more thank you to everybody who's been posting about this stuff and that's not to say the
29:23
duplicate threads there's just so many facts there's there's and and there's
29:27
conflicting ones and there's ones that grow on other ones and it's a nightmare
29:31
our forum is a happening place if you don't go there you should yeah it's cute
29:35
yeah the people who are suing Intel do you
29:38
think so here's the grounds of at least one of them okay the lawsuit this lawsuit
29:43
particularly i think it was maybe the first one garcia v Intel corporation
29:46
filed on wednesday january 3rd the suits plaintiffs plaintiffs allege
29:51
that the computer chips containing the fatal security flaw well there's a lot
29:56
of f's here they violate california and tennessee law specifically the
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plaintiff's spring claims for breach of warranty and violations of consumer
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protection statutes alleging that Intel's selling of computer chips with
30:08
this fatal security flaw misled consumers about the performance and
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reliability of the computers operating with this hardware
30:17
um my first thought like they have a quote here saying that they look forward
30:21
to holding Intel responsible for exposing millions of americans to unnecessary data and security risks or
30:26
data risks data security risk um that sounds noble it's like yeah
30:31
stick them break them over the coals like someone's fighting a good fight for us but my first thought actually when i
30:35
read this was like i think these people might be those like
30:39
professional sewers yeah who are like because there's a very second i can see
30:43
there's also there's also constantly security issues with this type of stuff
30:48
it's just usually handled it's usually much smaller
30:52
and it's usually handled much more quietly
30:55
um like like if you could sue microsoft
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for having a security vulnerability in Windows microsoft would be gone it's
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just it's obviously because of the scale yeah the scale is why this is a big
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headline and a big deal skills and and suitable
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yeah someone said it's usually handled by the
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nsa i have no freaking idea someone said in the chat uh he sold them shortly
31:20
before ime vulnerabilities became public in november uh yeah that's not what we
31:25
were talking about though if it was planned
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far beforehand if if if he comes in one
31:31
day and board of director guys and his or his financial advisors or whatever
31:35
the heck i don't know i'm not into this kind of money are like hey we should
31:39
downscale our stock whatever that thing that you said um it's not going to
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happen the next day it would be planned on paper for a while
31:46
it's he's moving a huge amount of stock it's going to happen over time um
31:51
yeah anyways that's about it for that
31:54
that's we did it i hope we did it
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again there is a huge amount of information
32:02
if we actually wanted to go over every single little tiny bit of it would take
32:05
us the entire show and more uh if you do
32:08
want to know more and if you're into computers and hardware this is super
32:12
interesting i would highly recommend you read more come up with your own opinions
32:15
about it all that kind of stuff um check out the links that will be in the
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forum uh doc thing that i'll be posting that'll
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be in the description on youtube and um yeah good idea on youtube and soundcloud
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some fun stuff here yeah let's go forward pick one i believe oh
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that's boring yeah nah okay screw it if you have an hp if you have an hp laptop
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and get that puppy fix it and no reason to bring it to a third party anyways
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because this is a actual recall that hp is asking you to
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contact them about so they should be handling everything yeah yeah so i
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yeah don't even send her in yeah yeah that's probably a good idea this one
39:24
next spotify sure
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all right so spotify um they're possibly
39:32
on the hook for a 1.6 billion dollar copyright
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that's a lot of money why you might ask because they've been
39:40
streaming songs without giving money or getting consent from the owners of those
39:44
songs yeah pretty much uh
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so it's what's the name of the company music publishing yeah they've got tom
39:52
petty neil young and rage against the machines tom morello and many more so
39:58
that's some pretty major names
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last summer spotify faced a suggested 43 million settlement which is still yet to
40:06
be approved in court and they also agreed to a 30 million
40:10
dollar settlement with national music publishers association and mpa for
40:15
unpaid royalties in 2016. so they're just getting
40:19
stomped on you got to license that content bro yeah speaking of music streaming rumor rumor
40:25
has it that youtube are grown youtube is going to launch a
40:29
music streaming surface why you might ask since google play services already
40:33
heard google play music already exists we don't
40:36
know this would actually be the uh
40:39
alphabet the parent company of google and youtube this will be their third
40:43
attempt at at a music service actually um because google play music launched in
40:47
2011 and to my estimation is doing just fine
40:51
um but on top of that i use it they had something called uh yeah i just switched
40:54
to it from spotify actually and i am digging that algorithm that's pretty
40:58
good of course the algorithm's off yeah of course why would you think that
41:01
someone like spotify could beat google who owns youtube youtube by the way
41:04
being the second largest search engine in the world that's bigger than bing
41:07
youtube search engines is huge their their algorithm for what to play next
41:13
keeps you on youtube for hours doing not what you noticed
41:16
yeah so obviously their their music algorithm is great you can search a song
41:20
and it'll just go for the rest of the night it's awesome oh someone said google play music streaming service has
41:24
not supported my company that pisses me off a huge amount but youtube red oh my
41:28
goodness i want to watch i think it's called minefield yeah vsauce
41:34
it's on youtube red i can't do the thing yeah they want you that's the teaser
41:38
they give you one episode to watch and then you got a youtube reddit i think i
41:41
might like subscribe temporarily while we're in vegas
41:45
and just try to like binge the engine you don't have time yeah
41:49
do you if you have time to watch that then that gives me uh
41:53
no i don't um let's go back every time that i go to ces i'm like oh i'm gonna
41:57
do all these things i'm gonna bring my personal camera i'm gonna take cool photos i'm gonna do all this kind of
42:01
cool extra stuff on the side and then it's like nope you work from like eight
42:05
to like three and then you sleep for a few hours
42:10
and then you get back up and keep going i'm really hoping just to eat meals
42:13
that's all i want i want to go to vegas and actually be able to hit at least one
42:16
buffet you'll probably average one or two a day
42:19
yeah okay meals yeah yeah yeah i don't want to just have to eat that sparrow
42:23
pizza that's in the convention center the whole time yeah there is okay
42:27
there's some hidden spots in the convention center on floor two teach me
42:31
your ways yeah don't tell them don't tell everyone here they won't be hidden
42:35
that's a good call so back to the chronology after google play came out in 2011 a thing that i had never heard of
42:40
called youtube music key came along in 2014 which gave subscribers ad-free
42:45
music videos which is awesome because obviously a ton of awesome music and
42:50
remixes and everything that are on youtube but you hit play you try to put that on a party and then ads interrupt
42:54
it and you look like a dork um but then youtube
42:59
music key kind of just turned into youtube red
43:02
in 2016 yeah which expands to letting you watch any video without advertising
43:08
and now it's just kind of like its own thing so so they keep just changing
43:14
stuff in super weird ways this uh service this alleged rumored
43:19
service is internally referred to as remix
43:22
um okay it's gonna have on-demand elements uh
43:26
like um a regular like a spotify but it's also gonna have some youtube elements maybe
43:30
like some video clips maybe some lyrics on screen that'd be nice so you can
43:34
already do youtube music videos through google play
43:38
music but all right all right i i don't know i think uh part of this might come
43:42
from the supply side um apparently some of the
43:46
creators whose music is getting listened to
43:49
through youtube they don't feel like they're getting compensated as as fairly
43:52
as they would be on dedicated music streaming services like google play
43:55
music or on spotify so it might be like a money thing
44:00
okay they put it on there but yeah okay
44:03
yeah i guess
44:07
you give him an inch i i don't know i don't know yeah um
44:11
that's for deploying this thing uh warner music group is already on board
44:15
they're one of the big three yeah in the music business and
44:18
the other two of the three already in talks with youtube that includes sony
44:22
music entertainment and universal music group uh they're also talking to merlin
44:27
a consortium consortium of independent
44:30
labels so hopefully they'll have a good spread on content
44:34
yeah i like i don't know it'll probably be
44:38
good i it seems weird because it seems like alphabet is now creating things to
44:43
compete against themselves yeah um this is like a
44:47
hangouts allowed yeah which is so yeah that's a
44:51
good call so maybe it's not that weird for them it's because they're they're so
44:55
federated that they don't talk and they step on each other all the time yeah
44:59
um anyways going back to the google play music thing one of my favorite things
45:02
about it is just how creepy it is
45:06
it'll pull in a lot of data which is unsurprising because it's google so
45:09
it'll like know when you're at the gym yeah yeah you can you can turn on load
45:13
uh locations notifications locations notifications so it's like huh i see
45:18
you're in the border lineup i'm going to play gangster rap to make you suck
45:24
yeah um i don't know it's it's
45:28
it's interesting every once in a while i'll just jump into the different playlists that it recommends for me to
45:32
try to see where it's trying to take me and sometimes you know it'll go off in
45:37
totally a weird direction i'm like i don't like any of this stuff but often
45:40
it's pretty good i've been happy with it because when i i had two problems with
45:43
spotify the first was the discover
45:46
playlist was just totally like stuff i didn't listen to at all
45:49
and the the second was now maybe you can do this on certain
45:54
services with spotify but i usually use this with my tv
45:58
and my google home and what i want to do is i have a song on this on in my head
46:02
and i'm like i want to play this song and then that's all i want to do and
46:05
after that i wanted to just go forever playing related music and google play
46:10
music is wicked at that that's very good at that not only will it play other
46:13
songs that you'll like they might not even be from bands you know of yeah i
46:17
started with a nine inch nails song the other day nine snails die hard
46:20
the next 10 songs were for bands i never heard of i didn't skip a single one
46:23
they're so sweet nice uh i actually really like doing that sometimes yeah
46:27
it's wicked if you try to do this on spotify guess what the second song will
46:30
be the second song will be the same song again because
46:35
instead of playing the song you search for and then a bunch of related songs it
46:39
will play all the search results so it'll be like
46:44
so you try to put on uh so be like that same song or like
46:48
remixed by someone else yeah you try to put on stairway to heaven you get started to heaven then you get live then
46:52
you get cover yeah it's like yes yes spotify this is what i wanted
46:58
no one's ever wanted this i'm gonna hopefully troll at least one
47:03
person okay google play that hipster song with
47:06
the whistling okay so that's in one of their
47:10
you jerk did it work uh no no dang
47:15
oh i should have said with google play music so sometimes it gets confused if
47:18
you don't include that i don't know why but because you can have a different default music player yeah yeah so if you
47:23
have two installed it might have to like ask or whatever but
47:26
you got me it did it yes some people got it okay now let it keep going
47:32
you can even mute it and leave it off on the side or whatever but let it keep
47:35
going it does a pretty good job and it doesn't continue to play hipster whistle
47:40
songs or what do you mean that good job well it continues to play
47:45
hipstery kind of songs but that actually sound kind of similar and fun with the
47:50
same tonality and all these other kind of things it does it does a pretty good
47:53
job i ended up um already cancelled some people are like
47:58
no screw it um someone actually said it
48:01
didn't recognize the voice yeah my yeah i've got that recently someone tried to
48:05
troll me and then google was like that doesn't sound like james yeah my
48:08
girlfriend even trying to impersonate my voice couldn't get into my phone using
48:12
that's not surprising yeah you know i know but it's just it's it's interesting
48:16
it did a pretty good job i would love to hear three devices
48:21
some guys said three devices are playing that song in my house right now when i did the there was a previous WAN Show
48:25
where i did this a similar command with some weird russian song that goes
48:29
yes people people kept tweeting me like man it was it was 1am my whole family is
48:34
awake now yeah it's pretty bad we gotta we put a lockdown on that recently okay
48:39
so we're adapting maybe maybe that was bad you did that on purpose yeah i did
48:42
it's the accidental ones we're looking out for hey there's actually an amazon
48:45
echo uh topic here we can go right into sure
48:48
so this has to do with amazon trying to monetize and
48:54
place ad units into echo devices so
48:57
there's a thread on the forum by man keys who actually pretty much supplied a
49:02
lot of almost all of the threads today thank you man thank you very much
49:06
however i kind of think that you're making your title for this is uh fake
49:11
news because as far as i read it's not the case that
49:15
your amazon echo is going to be reading out ads
49:19
to you that would be so brutal um as far as i've seen i don't think that's
49:23
what they're trying to do but what they are trying to do is
49:26
have brands be like the sponsored search
49:30
results so just like when you google something um if you google new truck
49:34
there's gonna be a ford ad at the top of your search results page right but
49:38
now we're talking about voice so there's no page there's just there's gonna be a
49:42
suggested product so if you ask like there's an example here that says
49:46
if you ask a-l-e-x-a because we're not trying to
49:49
trigger the vocal commands anymore good idea um to add an item to your shopping
49:53
cart it will suggest you buy a particular brand so i think that means like
49:57
a-l-e-x-a uh can you add some toothpaste
50:00
to my shopping cart and it'll be like okay i can look for a brand like colgate
50:04
would you like that and if you're like no it can find some other stuff but the default
50:09
matters because a lot of people are gonna be like yeah yeah instead of being like no actually i would like sensodyne
50:14
complete because i got a little wimpy teeth
50:18
i don't flaws so
50:22
yeah it's that is really
50:30
yeah so apparently it might suggest it based on
50:33
your previous purchasing decisions which is not that bad so that would be a
50:38
situation like hey alexa i would like some surface cleaner
50:44
and they know that you bought a clorox
50:48
clorox product in the past so they'll say okay do you want
50:53
pine saw that kind of makes sense um it's going
50:57
to keep people in a little bubble which is maybe not great but if you're just
51:02
trying to order something with a voice command you're probably not trying to shop around you're probably just trying
51:05
to stay within your bubble you probably just want the transaction done faster so
51:09
that's maybe not a bad thing um i'd be interested in hearing what other people
51:12
have opinions in terms of that if i'm making a purchasing decision that i'm
51:16
even remotely unsure of i always research this is probably for your
51:20
second time buying something yeah right so and and it says that it's going to
51:24
suggest things based on what people have previously bought so if you've already
51:27
bought one of these and you're like hey i need some toothpaste and you've been buying the same toothpaste for freaking
51:31
ever and it's like hey do you want the same toothpaste that you've been buying for freaking ever you'll just say yes
51:35
and then well that's what we want but now we're talking about that not happening because of sponsored
51:40
posts yeah do you want the thing you've always been getting or do you want this new featured
51:45
product that like maybe sucks but they paid money
51:48
so that's what is going to be the default yeah
51:51
interesting it would be cool if they had a voice
51:55
command for like no i'd like the usual uh the huge you know what i mean
52:00
well like like if you're if you're uh
52:06
they might know what you want like the dude at mucho burrito knows my order
52:10
um the people at subway over here they know me too yeah it took them like six months
52:15
i have a very simple order i get everything for the veggies like
52:19
everything yeah so it's like they have two decisions anyway they're on it now
52:23
here's my question and i think this is interesting i don't know
52:27
i think there's a if you're a glass half full person or a glass half empty person
52:30
you might have two answers here okay is it likely
52:33
that google will also seek to monetize
52:37
in uh similar ways because google has if they already are
52:41
they're the main advertiser in this space right but is it antithetical to
52:46
google's mission statement or corporate culture
52:49
given that they're coming from a place where they're taking the world's
52:54
information and putting down onto one search result page they're giving you
52:57
options it's democratic it's supposed to be based on like the
53:02
the link juice of the internet you know the democracy the population
53:06
popularity contest of the internet here um when you get into voice you only get
53:11
one answer so does google do the same thing
53:14
amazon's doing or do they never do that
53:19
i suspect they will i gotta get that green yeah paid
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advertising is is google's whole thing i
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would highly sweetest they would i this this is just making me think like we
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need more competition for amazon um because like with google situation
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what is it going to suggest you buy can you even auto buy things through
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voice with google walmart they have a partnership with walmart
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yeah well i just like it's it's the same situation with amazon where it's just
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some like giant massive company eating everything up
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this is going to take more purchasing from other random companies i don't know
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alibaba is coming soon yeah that'll happen well that'll
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usability up here yeah the usability of alibaba is not there compared to amazon
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google has its own shop express yeah come on man
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it's not there i mean like on the same scale in terms of usability um
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trust like if something is a prime product on amazon
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um if it's shipped by amazon it's a prime product it's
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uh it's a high likeliness that you're going to get it on time that you're going to be able to have an easy time
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with returns and warranty and all that
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other kind of stuff i i don't know it's it
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it shelters you like most normal stores do and a lot of online situations don't
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do that properly and their shipping sucks and stuff like
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i understand why amazon's where they're at but
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they need better competition one more
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well we got to do flow plans so let's do Floatplane and one more i'm gonna i
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don't even know if i can screen share um maybe you did the wrong guy yeah i'm
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gonna try that you can find me in the club
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we don't call it that anymore it was full playing club
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come on man um
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it's still not i don't know if we're going to be able
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to show it
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well either way screen sharing is not happy right now
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but full plane has a bunch of really cool stuff on it at the moment there's
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even one thing that doesn't happen that much there's a poll
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there's a there's a discussion poll asking you guys how uh you guys want us
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to share ces content on Floatplane
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because there's a few different good questions usually we don't care what you
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think still not working so we will not be able to screen share um oh i bet you
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i know why it's not working and i could fix it if i had more time but i don't
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that's okay um there's yeah there's a poll asking how you guys want us to
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share content and essentially the decision was with something like youtube
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we have to time out our releases or youtube's algorithm is gonna be like no
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screw you guys and they're already they're already gonna do that a little
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bit because of just the nature of how rapid fire we have to do ces content but we're
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going to do our best to spread it out and make the youtube robot happy um but
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with flow plane whatever it doesn't it doesn't matter we don't
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have to fight any weird algorithm so you guys have so far decided post it in
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the main section and just fire letter writ fire hose let her go so
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right when it's ready we're just gonna post it up you guys gonna get the content a little bit faster it's not
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gonna be the one week window that it normally is because that would be terrible um but it is going to be a
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little bit faster in general we're going to get it up to you guys right away it's
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going to be good you can look like a twitter magician
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yeah you're going to be in the know this video's coming remember it's going to be
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awesome um on here regardless outside of the pool there is a tech wiki for why is
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Windows display scaling so bad i'm excited for that i know a fair amount
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about it because i did the uh surface
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studio review and there's a lot of really interesting information in that
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as to why the screen is the resolution and uh
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aspect ratio and stuff that it is it seems to me like a topic that's like
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yeah it sucks but it has to be this way yeah like you just haven't thought about
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it as hard as the engineers it sucks for a reason uh there's the
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oneplus 5t review now in white if you haven't seen the ad for that it's been
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everywhere so i'd be surprised there's a flow plane exclusive behind
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the scene uh from right before christmas that just got released so i don't know
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got released now but either way it just came out i will not spoil you guys gotta
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see it um so the behind the scenes thing i know some people are
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salty that we don't release this in other places but youtube would destroy
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our search ability if we did that because most people don't care about these things um i think they're awesome
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and the people that do care about them are pretty hardcore about it but anyways
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there's the 13 gpus in one pc mining
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adventure part two this is a very large
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departure from the um kind of amateur hour mining adventure
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part one just you know you know there was some comments they were accurate
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we're just you know what but we're moving forward
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part two strong return part three
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is gonna be even stronger of a return so we're coming at you with some really
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interesting mining adventure videos they're coming pci express 4.0 as fast
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as possible john back at it again with the epic videos um an LTT handmade uh
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there's an ltvt video of a handmade portable arcade box um nothing
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as far as i know check it out uh super cool and there's also
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um some like extra footage from the chiller
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resurrection which is super cool so if you're into that there's extra footage
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the untold story of the chili resurrection again stuff that if we
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threw this on youtube people wouldn't care as much it would hurt the channel
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so we're just throwing it on flow plane for the super hard course and that's it
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we're done moving on to now this weekend there's gonna be another keyboard video
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oh a zany keyboard video us i think we almost did every one of
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them zaniness is ending here
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okay we have another one yeah i think so this is a little simple
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guy yeah sure let's just do that unsurprisingly if you think about it
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2017 was the biggest year ever for electric car sales wow i'm super
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surprised actually tell me more there was a time in like in
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the 30s yes like before the model t where
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electric cars actually were the main uh had the most market share above
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combustion engines but since then this is the biggest year ever someone asked
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about the dust video i'm going to just say this right now the
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dust video is going to happen i'm going to be in it Linus is going to
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be in it there's possibly other people that'll be in it this is probably not
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i don't even know what this is oh this is pretty i understand where you're going with that but no it's uh the dust
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computers are up in the corner i'm not going to be in it guys
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you should just you should just walk through the screen at some point hey
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um yeah it is going to happen we haven't filmed it yet
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means it's not going to be filmed to at least after ces so it's going to be at
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least another week until it's filmed but it's going to happen eventually
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anyways let me chuck some numbers at you here yeah december marks the 27th 27th
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month of consecutive sales gains for plug-in vehicles
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meaning evs so in 2017 there was nearly 200 000 evs sold in the us 199 826 this
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compares to 100
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158 614 so what is that like a 30 increase
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pretty decent so if you break that down by the top five browns that were sold
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the tesla model s was the number one seller at 27 060. next in line
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chevy bolt chevy bolt the the electric version at
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twenty three thousand two hundred ninety seven next in line back to tesla it was
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the model x twenty over twenty one thousand of those sold
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and then what was that i just last i read the last bullet
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points okay okay i thought you were like model x no no no no no
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no i love the waterline it's got the frunk um
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the fourth one was uh the prius prius prime from toyota over twenty thousand
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almost twenty one thousand sold and everyone wants to know how many tesla
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model threes got delivered in 2017 and
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it looks like it was about two thousand about two grand they're doing what a
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thousand a week now uh which is less
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than a previous promise that they'd be doing 5000 a week by the end of the year
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they're now hoping to hit 5000 a week by this summer in terms of production
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estimations that's pretty standard um
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from what we've been able to expect so far is there's the estimation they won't
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hit it but they'll do pretty darn good um and that's cool because they'll
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figure it out eventually there you go
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um someone said in chat stream Labs is
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releasing their own kind of version of obs because obs is open source that is a
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thing i'm going to be screening with that on my personal stream i believe
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Colton is as well but i don't know if i'll end up using it we'll see
62:30
that's another interesting news bit though because if you're into streaming
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it streamlines a lot of haha get it streamlines a lot of different stuff
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which is cool and uh i think we will see
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you guys at sea yes yes we have so far never
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missed a WAN Show at ces so theoretically there will be a WAN Show
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at ces but every single year it's super random
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how it works is super random who's on it is super random where we are is super
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random what time it starts
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not that that's different from normal but it's pretty random it'd be pretty
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cool if we did it from a plane like we have wi-fi on the plane the
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dope you might even be able to get by with
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like a super crappo resolution if we get like everyone else on the
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plane to not use wi-fi you might be able to get by with a super terrible
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resolution um if you think sitting beside a baby on a plane sucks wait till
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you're beside two podcasters i think it would just get
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rejected from twitch though because the latency
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because like i i connected to a game while i was on a plane just to check out
63:37
my latency and it was like quite a few seconds between input
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and what actually happened well we can always do another pre-recorded one like
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this one was oh
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why no i'm joking
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i'm joking it says friday january 5th right there
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oh jk no the joke i gotta go man
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anyways uh i'll see i'll see you guys ces videos ces one
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show next week see you later goodbye