welcome to the WAN Show the first WAN Show of 2018 and
uh the last wednesday the last WAN Show of this week
before ces there we go i forgot what was important yes is gonna happen soon yeah
that's that's i'm gonna blame my mind scattering on that so who's all going
because this is your first year it's my first year it's gonna be alex's first
year alex the greatish yeah it's gonna be Jake's first time uh away from home
yes away from the nest his mom's driving him to the airport but after that he's a
free man in vegas 18. i'm going to give her a
wink from the parking lot there oh yeah a knowing smile
oh wow um and then so so you alex Jake max
yeah and then i think that's everyone who hasn't been
i'm not sure if pelo was there last year or not he's been around there's gonna be
a pack of us though hey brandon look out was pella at ces last year yes yeah okay
so it's out so it's all just writers who weren't there last year
whoa and max coleman was almost here i almost jumped in from the camera right
all right okay so that's that's what's going on with ces that's going to be
next week expect a huge torrent of videos to be hitting youtube and
Floatplane it's going to be insane tons of stuff coming excited and stressed
you should be already it's a pretty insane experience i have performance
anxiety on the one hand i'm so stoked because as a kid i i subscribed to xbox
magazine and they were always talking about going to e3 yeah and i was like oh that's so amazing it's totally different
sure but i never thought that i'd go to any yes giant conference like that and
see all this cutting-edge stuff face up cbs is more
more insanity in terms of like that suits me
the the people on the floor where you need to go so e3 is nicely contained in
one building and they're like super way
more hardcore or at least they were they've loosened it up a little bit
about who could go so there wasn't a ton of people on the floor and it's all in
one building this is well early in the earlier days like in the early 2000s it
was less expensive yes yes and then they tightened it up yeah you should grow
your beard longer you have so much more wisdom than i do and our beards are the
same length this doesn't make any sense uh but yeah ces is going to be insane um
i'll be at ces with a mustache no wisdom your first time all that off yeah no no
i was like i don't know
either way what we're going to talk about this week is a lot of Intel stuff a lot of ARM stuff
a lot of AMD stuff as you guys know uh cpus right now are in kind of a terrible
spot with meltdown and spectre both going around rampaging things where i'll
talk about um we're going to talk about what different
companies are doing to deal with this how it's being dealt with how it might
affect you how it's affecting other companies different responses that are happening
due to it all that kind of stuff we're gonna talk about all that kind of stuff and there's a bunch of other interesting
things as well um like some stuff to do with spotify
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let's get into it um i'm going to post
an rs technica thread it was uh or a
post uh an article article there we go we'll go with that it's posted by uh
peter bright it's a very good article thank you peter bright for making a very
nice concise package this is everything that's going on it's way too long most
people aren't going to read it grab a coffee and a donut to go through it kind of article there's a lot of information
this whole story is like an onion with layers yeah so we're going to take
you through the entire story of how these vulnerabilities were discovered uh
the what the response from the parties involved was and kind of all the
insanity that has ensued and is still ensuing today yes so i'm gonna jump
slightly forward and explain what they are and then we'll jump back to the start
and explain how it was found and all that kind of stuff okay sense okay and
jump around a little bit it's gonna be crazy tension so i'm gonna steal some of
this from rs technica again thank you very much peter bright uh mel so there's
two main uh vulnerabilities and they're kind of
related they are kind of related they they source from the same type of uh
area so jumping to the rs article um
modern processors perform speculative execution that's where a lot of this is
based on that is where a processor will assume what needs to be done next and do
that thing do those calculations and then if it is wrong and that isn't
what's happening next that is fine it doesn't matter it ditches all that code
no big deal if it's right then hey it's already done it and it's able to execute
that thing faster this is a great thing it makes things run a lot faster
it's not a big deal that it's running some code and coming up with some
answers and then ditching those answers because it's making a lot of other
things faster when it does guess correctly pretty much only upside
yeah this is a property of modern cpus yes
that would be a reason why spoiler alert
these these vulnerabilities don't really have as much of an impact on older much
older chips yeah um so spectre and meltdown
that we're going to be talking about today um are
it perturbs the processor state in detectable ways which is bad that
essentially when you break that down means that these vulnerabilities can
watch even though it doesn't have access to
these code paths these speculative execution code paths it can figure out
what they're doing which is bad because it gives them more
information and it could result in more things down the line
meltdown inspector is what we know of right now so again to break down what
meltdown and spectre are meltdown it's applicable to every Intel chip made
for many years i don't think we know necessarily right now actually there is
a list yeah you should show the list i don't entirely know if the list is you
don't believe my list oh we didn't do screenshots we have an HDMI
the classic meme of wancho which is it's late screen
sharing is never not prepared and audio doesn't work
yes except what screen is that
that's not up on either
that's awesome um hold on
anyways there is a list i can post it in the twitch chat so you guys can check it
out yourselves suffice to say it's basically every Intel trip for the last
15 years yeah kind of a big deal and it's going to affect different chips in
different ways which is another interesting part newer chips have
certain standards which will actually help them deal with this um a little bit
better than certain older chips it also affects different programs differently
so certain programs are going to get hit by this really heavily
microsoft has found i will go into that more later but microsoft has found that
certain antiviruses have been using things in undocumented ways that utilize
this type of stuff so when they try to turn
it off again we're going to get into that more later i'm trying to be vague because we'll go more deeply into that
later uh it causes problems for the antivirus programs which is a nightmare
but anyways it's all it's all a whole mess but basically a verbal table of contents
thank you uh meltdown chapter one applicable to
every Intel chip for many years listed in the twitch chat um and will be in the
dock if you access the forum so if you're watching
this on youtube or you're listening to this on soundcloud which a few people do
it does actually happen some people do listen to this on soundcloud uh you can
go into the description and there will be a forum link if you go to that
that'll show the doc and in the doc there will be a link with all capital
letters that says list of affected Intel cpus anyways moving on every Intel chip
for many years along with certain high performance ARM designs only high
performance ARM designs this flaw depends on the way that
operating systems share memory between user programs and the kernel and the
solution right now um carries some
performance penalty in certain cases really brutal ones i believe the highest
reporter that i've seen is about 30 percent yeah but i think that's more
anonymous it's usually i think it's usually especially if i have a newer CPU
it's about five percent yeah yeah it's no very rarely that bad it's also only
certain processes and programs that are gonna get affected by it and it's also
less as impactful if you have newer chips and it's going to depend on what you're doing too i've heard in gaming it
can be it can result in like three frames
per second yeah fbs so yeah but it really is gonna depend
um but the the answer to this is to put an
end to that sharing of memory between user programs
and the kernel which is why there's that performance penalty and then spectre um
it's applicable to chips from Intel AMD and ARM
this is where some of the confusion came in that we're going to talk about soon where uh AMD didn't think they were
susceptible to anything and then now it's just Intel's susceptible to more
stuff and everyone's susceptible to some things and each company is trying to
minimize what are the the optics yeah like
AMD said this is a near zero chance of affecting us and and Intel doesn't want
their stock to drop so they're saying yes it does affect you yeah yeah it's a
lot of politics involved as well there's a huge amount of politics in this we'll
get into that a little bit more in the future um
yeah it even says Intel AMD ARM and probably every other processor on the
market that offers speculative execution which is like all of them um
it's also more subtle it encompasses a trick testing array bounds to read
memory within single processes which can be used to attack the integrity of
virtual machines and sandboxes which is rough that's a big deal for the
cloud yeah um and and cross process
attacks using processors branch predictors which is the thing that i was
mentioning earlier where it can uh take little bits of resulting
information to figure out what it was actually doing fixes for some aspects of
spectre appear to have been developed already but protecting against the whole range
of fixes will require modification or at least recompilation of at-risk programs
and that is also a very rough part
because that brings way more players into the space because now you're
talking about programs too so i think it's fair to say that the only true fix
is new chip architecture
um one it depends what we're talking about
unfortunately the sketchy one that requires the most amount of tinkering
level fixing for the most amount of people is spectre which affects
everybody everybody that has speculative
processing um which so that's that's
really annoying but you can on a single
system know that you're okay if
you go through like everything make sure everything has been uh modified or
recompiled that is affected by this make sure your os level is happy all that
kind of stuff turn on Windows updates guys
at least yeah um
it's this this it's it's it's kind of a nightmare so how did this first get
discovered do you want to jump us there i know i thought i was the only question
but i i can clarify some things because you know okay
so the way this was discovered was through google project zero
project zero is one of those little google subsidiaries that has a
specific task their task is to find what are called zero day bugs or
vulnerabilities that's where the zero from project zero comes from that's right so basically you're finding a bug
as soon as you can as fast as you can and fixing it as soon as it's found so
the way this works is there are bug bounties a certain amount of money put
up if bugs are found so all these freelancers joe schmoe's hackers
white hats around the world are actively searching for bugs
among the uh the suite of software and hardware that
is on project zero's list so a company can say we're on your list we want your
freelancers uh to find bugs for us yeah
so a person it's a really cool program uh found this vulnerability i believe in
the summer time actually it's been a bit people have been working on this for a
little while yeah and they notified Intel at the time
yeah but it's only just become known to the public this week one quick thing
someone in the chat was like idiot this doesn't affect iphones apple has already
issued um apple has updated both iOS and macOS to
use dual page table mappings i believe
specifically for spectre yeah so
it does affect the thing is it's such a low level vulnerability
that if apple is going to patch it they're doing it at a higher level so
they're only going to be able to defend
from certain aspects of it yeah well and
there's some nice stuff like we're jumping around all over the place i know
it's gonna be a little bit hard to follow um i would highly recommend checking out
the WAN Show doc on the forum for this reading a few of the different actual
articles that have been properly posted we're trying to talk live
the rs article is really good but also with something like this
you should cross-reference information just to make sure you're getting everything good so if this is affecting
you or you're really interested in this i would definitely recommend diving into it but
people like amazon with s2 instances are pushing updates of their own which is
like handling everything on their side which is really nice um but there's
that's that's not the case in all situations but sorry continue
well you continue so what happened after that they found it moving after that the
universities they made a nice white paper about it yeah so universities from
america i remember it because it's 3a countries america austria and australia
boom um oh no it did this thing
randomly when we're doing the WAN Show i get signed out of my google account and
i have to it's okay i don't actually need it this second i'll get signed in
while i'm talking oh lastpass oh this whole thing you're screwed it's so much
you're gonna need your yeah and everything now hopefully not we'll see though
but yeah universities from america australia and austria and google project
zero and people working at microsoft and
google and amazon and all these huge companies all came together to try to
work on this and they've been working on it actually
for quite a while
there's this is where we get into
there's a lot of different information and it's a little bit confusing what
happened next but the public figured out and the public figured out
not that long ago uh the main
article that really blew up in a lot of people's minds because it was much more
public-facing i believe was the register article
register.cod at uk which is posted in the landoc if you want to check it out
on the forum that was as far as i know one of the
biggest explosions in terms of more people knowing there was talk about
it on on more like programmer focused back channels this was a big news outlet
bringing it on i could be wrong about that it could have been someone else first this is the first one i saw same
and i think it's the first one most people saw
it got to there as far as i know
because a programmer at AMD
pushed code to the Linux kernel let's see here ah
yeah so there was an embargo on all this kind of stuff through the google project
zero platform um not everyone agrees with having embargoes on these types of
things some people position themselves with like all information should be open
everyone should know everything that's going on um and your opinion on that is
whatever's ease but there was an embargo and it wasn't like technically
broken i don't know you can frame that however you want um but
yeah so it says it's true that AMD didn't actually reveal the details of
the flaw before the embargo was up but one of the company's developers came
very close and close enough to infer what was actually going on
an AMD developer contributed a Linux patch that excluded AMD chips from the
meltdown mitigation in the note with the patch the developer wrote the AMD micro
architecture does not allow memory references including speculative
references that access higher privileged data when running in a lesser privileged
mode when that access would result in a page fault so with that information
knowing that people are writing code and it's extremely
important having that basically is like
we are not vulnerable to this and knowing that people are working on
something very major and he's like excluding themselves from you can kind
of figure out what's going on um but then the guy kind of got uh
murked by a but wait there's another there's more
yeah so there's always two this is where the politics part comes in because and
okay this is where it gets confusing too
because i have also heard that there was stuff at google that was
leaked there's also been some emails that have been leaked there's been tons
of different stuff i'm not entirely sure which spark was lit first
this is what i read in the arts technica article there's other stuff that i've
read who knows anyway it got exposed to the public at some point
and from there people started freaking the hell out and that was mostly based
around meltdown that's where we got most of our
information about meltdown which AMD is essentially
as of right now as far as i know as far as i've seen published everywhere
they're excluded from that they're fine with meltdown and that's why there's a
bunch of confusion even when you google this because there's a timeline here
where the first part of the media wave was everyone responding to meltdown and
saying like yeah you're going to read articles that say AMD is not affected
it'll say that in bold um but it depends when that was written yeah like the the
the register article which exposed a lot of this stuff and really started
exploding things like i was saying earlier specifically says Intel CPU
design flaw um then there's another one by the
enquirer that says Intel ARM and AMD all
affected by meltdown and spectre security bypassing CPU design flaw in
the freaking title so who knows because that one says that AMD is affected by
meltdown but then almost everything else is saying that AMD isn't affected by
meltdown i'm kind of going with the isn't side of things but then this is where it gets
political because AMD goes hahaha we're
not affected where everything's fine and then Intel releases super vague
really confusing details like uh one of my favorite lines it's it's in the rs
article um the company's initial statement produced
on wednesday says for example these exploits do not
have the potential to corrupt modify or delete data
um which is great because that is completely not the point and no one
claimed that it did any of those things that's like there's another cnbc article
uh someone in the forum linked where it's like
this doesn't affect NVIDIA
but it's just a relevant title for all those or AMD graphics like all the
non-techie people who just bought NVIDIA's stock because it was going gangbusters this year yeah they're like
thank god computer stuff we're safe
yeah so it's it's it's confusing for a lot of people again i would highly
recommend that you read these articles but we'll do our best to go through stuff but anyways that's where it
started getting political because AMD is trying to sit over here and be like yes
it's not us and then Intel's responding to that by being like uh confusing
statements and then i like that AMD dance you did yeah
but then spectre comes out of nowhere and now it's everybody everybody's
included everyone who uses speculative processing
not even just ARM Intel and AMD which is
all the ones we largely know about but like basically every chipmaker that uses
speculative processing you're screwed lock up your daughters and shoot your
sons
that was a grand tough dollar reference yes yeah uh so i want to talk about what
how how affected is the average person here what can they do about it because
i've i have heard slash read that
even though the vulnerability does affect all these chips that we all have
this isn't something that you can really exploit willy-nilly does it take quite a
bit of work to as far as i know it takes quite a bit of work most random people are not going to
be targets for this as far as i know again this is really early especially
right now and i'm juggling a lot of different conflicting information but
especially if right you're adept at exploiting this right now you're going
to go for the the highest value juicy targets not not for um
bob schwarmez's battlefield 4 gaming pc
i just came up with that name i like it though it's pretty sweet does that make
that a gamer he's got a restaurant um oh yeah yeah oh i just touched shawarmas
okay oh nice he gets that all the time yeah
that makes sense yeah anyways yeah like it's it's very unlikely that uh
your personal pc is gonna get attacked it's very unlikely to tie back to that
dude calling someone an idiot in the twitch chat that your iphone is going to
get attacked but essentially all these processors are susceptible to spectre
there are updates that are coming certain programs are going to have to be
recompiled or modified those things are going to happen especially for major
mainline programs so we can look forward to a lot of blue
screens at ces you look forward to a lot of updates um
Windows updates program updates lots of different things are going to be
updating this is where we're going to tie into what different companies have done
ARM has released a really really nice white paper detailing how it affects
their processors and all this kind of stuff which is going to be uninteresting
for almost everybody in this audience because those are
for the most point not consumer level processors and what i mean by that is
not consumer serviceable processors they're things like in your phone or in
your iot devices or all these other kind of things i doubt that you're
running a desktop setup that has an ARM
processor but you know you might be doing something weird
it's possible you could plug in your phone if it's possible it exists yeah it's out
there you could plug in your phone and use like external keyboards and do weird stuff
yeah it's it's i doubt anyone watching has that set up
but it is possible anyways uh are you ready for this aspect
oh let's jump let's jump there in a quick moment so so yeah apple is already
releasing updates for iOS macOS and
dealing with some other crazy things microsoft is going ham the microsoft
section of this article is super long one thing that i really like that they
did microsoft has already published a powershell script that describes the
current system protection against meltdown inspector on your computer um
so if you're into powershell if you're comfortable with that
check out the rs article it's linked in the forum link in the description if
you're watching this on archive if not i've already posted in twitch chat there
you go and you can check out what's going on on
your own system they're releasing updates for edge internet explorer
uh Windows itself uh mozilla is trying
to copy some of them
yeah whatever they're trying to copy some of their approaches to different things there's
tons of stuff going on microsoft uh has already updated its azure cloud
computing platform which is awesome i would expect that google was updated
before we even heard about this oh they've been on top of this for a
long time yeah amazon has already started rolling out
patches for ec2 in terms of meltdown
again spectre is going to be weird for all this kind of stuff i'm mostly talking about meltdown uh google's two
consumer facing operating systems Android and chrome os both depend on
Linux kernels and that's already been being worked on as i mentioned earlier
the AMD guy working on Linux kernels um
and most and but most Android hardware
and most an Android is a weird thing to think about because
uh there's a lot of really low end Android devices most people don't think about um but
isn't susceptible to meltdown yet
but that's going to change probably anyways right now it's a huge mess
everything's a mess it's mostly a mess because it was leaked
and when it was leaked everyone had to scramble super hard to solve it instead
of trying to take their time and be very coordinated
about everything and very behind the scenes and then one day you just get a Windows update you don't even know
anything was ever wrong um no instead of that everyone's freaking the hell out
and trying to solve all this at once and speaking of how this was very behind
doors for a while huh uh Intel ceo sold
what is it like 49 or 24 million 24 million dollars worth of
stock right so he knew about this google told Intel about this in the
summer uh so the ceo knew
that they were going to have a fiasco once the public found out about this
he knew the gravity of the situation and then before
this became public he sold 24 million dollars worth of his stock in the
company which was a major i think a majority of his stock
so that doesn't look very good no um
but but i think this is actually kind of clickbaity
because Intel says that the stock sale was
unrelated to the vulnerability and came as part of a planned divestiture program
and those things are things they exist um the other thing is Intel stock price
has only fallen about two bucks since
this fiasco kind of hit the public so that's it's not like it tanked and this
is like a huge insider trading thing granted two dollars like with the number
of shares outstanding it's still like millions of dollars
coming and going mostly going from Intel stock right now so it is
it is huge but i think this is a little clickbaity
it's it it really depends um i'm sure there's going to be legal oversight into
this because like man if if
if that was planned without insider trading and this was
just routine whatever the timing on that yeah
like you couldn't be worse in the last huge amount of years it could could not
be worse timing so it could be an unfortunate coincidence i think people
claiming that it's insider
are you can't really hammer on them too hard
because there's a lot of things a lot of red lights going off in terms of timing
in terms of how much it was 24 million dollars is quite a bit of money i also
read this is why this is so confusing i read a number that was over 40.
um but like i'm not even saying it's right because i just read that like well
actually if this program uh it could be in multiple phases so that was the
number that went out recently in december so it could be over 40 like
since summer since he's known maybe sure yeah i don't know um
yeah it's a mess but
potentially looking into his legal ramifications for what that might
potentially end up being in terms of insider trading or not and i'm sure if
it was planned he has tons of documentation for it and if it goes back
before this bug was released to them he's gonna be fine um if it doesn't
that's gonna that's gonna be a little bit if it was planned and it is fine you're probably
not gonna hear about it because no one's gonna click on that article yeah it's just it's gonna be boring it's not a
story it'll be too boring to bring up on wayne's show you know it's not boring
until getting sued over this vulnerability super hard yeah there are
multiple lawsuits uh hold on one quick second before we go forward this article
was posted by sc2 mitch on the forum the
previous one was found by james uh and
the big whole entire thread the source
that we have for that is doctor who 1975 on the forum he's getting the credit but
there actually are like six i'm sure there's a lot and i'm sure there's going
to continue to be more thank you to everybody who's been posting about this stuff and that's not to say the
duplicate threads there's just so many facts there's there's and and there's
conflicting ones and there's ones that grow on other ones and it's a nightmare
our forum is a happening place if you don't go there you should yeah it's cute
yeah the people who are suing Intel do you
think so here's the grounds of at least one of them okay the lawsuit this lawsuit
particularly i think it was maybe the first one garcia v Intel corporation
filed on wednesday january 3rd the suits plaintiffs plaintiffs allege
that the computer chips containing the fatal security flaw well there's a lot
of f's here they violate california and tennessee law specifically the
plaintiff's spring claims for breach of warranty and violations of consumer
protection statutes alleging that Intel's selling of computer chips with
this fatal security flaw misled consumers about the performance and
reliability of the computers operating with this hardware
um my first thought like they have a quote here saying that they look forward
to holding Intel responsible for exposing millions of americans to unnecessary data and security risks or
data risks data security risk um that sounds noble it's like yeah
stick them break them over the coals like someone's fighting a good fight for us but my first thought actually when i
read this was like i think these people might be those like
professional sewers yeah who are like because there's a very second i can see
there's also there's also constantly security issues with this type of stuff
it's just usually handled it's usually much smaller
and it's usually handled much more quietly
um like like if you could sue microsoft
for having a security vulnerability in Windows microsoft would be gone it's
just it's obviously because of the scale yeah the scale is why this is a big
headline and a big deal skills and and suitable
yeah someone said it's usually handled by the
nsa i have no freaking idea someone said in the chat uh he sold them shortly
before ime vulnerabilities became public in november uh yeah that's not what we
were talking about though if it was planned
far beforehand if if if he comes in one
day and board of director guys and his or his financial advisors or whatever
the heck i don't know i'm not into this kind of money are like hey we should
downscale our stock whatever that thing that you said um it's not going to
happen the next day it would be planned on paper for a while
it's he's moving a huge amount of stock it's going to happen over time um
yeah anyways that's about it for that
that's we did it i hope we did it
again there is a huge amount of information
if we actually wanted to go over every single little tiny bit of it would take
us the entire show and more uh if you do
want to know more and if you're into computers and hardware this is super
interesting i would highly recommend you read more come up with your own opinions
about it all that kind of stuff um check out the links that will be in the
forum uh doc thing that i'll be posting that'll
be in the description on youtube and um yeah good idea on youtube and soundcloud
and there we go that's it that's the giant
not just Intel definitely everybody but mostly Intel and people are trying to
obscure information and some information is out there and crazy stuff and no
official information completely entirely yet put your head in the sand what can
you do about it really it's probably not going to affect you update Windows live
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um synergy two instead of just having all
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cloud bridge so it can work across vpns and tricky home networks if you have a
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features like clipboard sharing drag and drop files copy and pasting lock screen
sync and tons more which is great it has ssl encryption which is nice you're not
going to get jacked into all the time share anywhere automatically control any
computer without reconfiguring which is really nice one thing that synergy 2 is
apparently a lot better at is detecting computers
which is nice because synergy was a little bit harder to set up before oh it
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specifically that three there is important
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they have a commerce module so you can use their free online store they have
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10 off your first purchase so there you go someone in the twitch
chat was scrolled by it was like what are those glasses these these you fool
you don't even know your own folly
oh dear all right what do you want to talk about now uh
some fun stuff here yeah let's go forward pick one i believe oh
that's boring yeah nah okay screw it if you have an hp if you have an hp laptop
um this is me not talking about this one it might be getting recalled right now
there's a big list of pro books and zen
books that are getting recalled because of the battery uh
you can get a free battery fix from hp if you send it back in don't bring it to
a third party fixer guy because these aren't actually supposed to be user
fixable batteries so give it a google look it up see if your
hp book or notebook is one of the effective ones
and get that puppy fix it and no reason to bring it to a third party anyways
because this is a actual recall that hp is asking you to
contact them about so they should be handling everything yeah yeah so i
wouldn't i wouldn't worry we don't want to have a note 7s situation here just
yeah don't even send her in yeah yeah that's probably a good idea this one
next spotify sure
all right so spotify um they're possibly
on the hook for a 1.6 billion dollar copyright
that's a lot of money why you might ask because they've been
streaming songs without giving money or getting consent from the owners of those
songs yeah pretty much uh
so it's what's the name of the company music publishing yeah they've got tom
petty neil young and rage against the machines tom morello and many more so
that's some pretty major names
last summer spotify faced a suggested 43 million settlement which is still yet to
be approved in court and they also agreed to a 30 million
dollar settlement with national music publishers association and mpa for
unpaid royalties in 2016. so they're just getting
stomped on you got to license that content bro yeah speaking of music streaming rumor rumor
has it that youtube are grown youtube is going to launch a
music streaming surface why you might ask since google play services already
heard google play music already exists we don't
know this would actually be the uh
alphabet the parent company of google and youtube this will be their third
attempt at at a music service actually um because google play music launched in
2011 and to my estimation is doing just fine
um but on top of that i use it they had something called uh yeah i just switched
to it from spotify actually and i am digging that algorithm that's pretty
good of course the algorithm's off yeah of course why would you think that
someone like spotify could beat google who owns youtube youtube by the way
being the second largest search engine in the world that's bigger than bing
youtube search engines is huge their their algorithm for what to play next
keeps you on youtube for hours doing not what you noticed
yeah so obviously their their music algorithm is great you can search a song
and it'll just go for the rest of the night it's awesome oh someone said google play music streaming service has
not supported my company that pisses me off a huge amount but youtube red oh my
goodness i want to watch i think it's called minefield yeah vsauce
it's on youtube red i can't do the thing yeah they want you that's the teaser
they give you one episode to watch and then you got a youtube reddit i think i
might like subscribe temporarily while we're in vegas
and just try to like binge the engine you don't have time yeah
do you if you have time to watch that then that gives me uh
no i don't um let's go back every time that i go to ces i'm like oh i'm gonna
do all these things i'm gonna bring my personal camera i'm gonna take cool photos i'm gonna do all this kind of
cool extra stuff on the side and then it's like nope you work from like eight
to like three and then you sleep for a few hours
and then you get back up and keep going i'm really hoping just to eat meals
that's all i want i want to go to vegas and actually be able to hit at least one
buffet you'll probably average one or two a day
yeah okay meals yeah yeah yeah i don't want to just have to eat that sparrow
pizza that's in the convention center the whole time yeah there is okay
there's some hidden spots in the convention center on floor two teach me
your ways yeah don't tell them don't tell everyone here they won't be hidden
that's a good call so back to the chronology after google play came out in 2011 a thing that i had never heard of
called youtube music key came along in 2014 which gave subscribers ad-free
music videos which is awesome because obviously a ton of awesome music and
remixes and everything that are on youtube but you hit play you try to put that on a party and then ads interrupt
it and you look like a dork um but then youtube
music key kind of just turned into youtube red
in 2016 yeah which expands to letting you watch any video without advertising
and now it's just kind of like its own thing so so they keep just changing
stuff in super weird ways this uh service this alleged rumored
service is internally referred to as remix
um okay it's gonna have on-demand elements uh
like um a regular like a spotify but it's also gonna have some youtube elements maybe
like some video clips maybe some lyrics on screen that'd be nice so you can
already do youtube music videos through google play
music but all right all right i i don't know i think uh part of this might come
from the supply side um apparently some of the
creators whose music is getting listened to
through youtube they don't feel like they're getting compensated as as fairly
as they would be on dedicated music streaming services like google play
music or on spotify so it might be like a money thing
okay they put it on there but yeah okay
yeah i guess
you give him an inch i i don't know i don't know yeah um
that's for deploying this thing uh warner music group is already on board
they're one of the big three yeah in the music business and
the other two of the three already in talks with youtube that includes sony
music entertainment and universal music group uh they're also talking to merlin
a consortium consortium of independent
labels so hopefully they'll have a good spread on content
yeah i like i don't know it'll probably be
good i it seems weird because it seems like alphabet is now creating things to
compete against themselves yeah um this is like a
hangouts allowed yeah which is so yeah that's a
good call so maybe it's not that weird for them it's because they're they're so
federated that they don't talk and they step on each other all the time yeah
um anyways going back to the google play music thing one of my favorite things
about it is just how creepy it is
it'll pull in a lot of data which is unsurprising because it's google so
it'll like know when you're at the gym yeah yeah you can you can turn on load
uh locations notifications locations notifications so it's like huh i see
you're in the border lineup i'm going to play gangster rap to make you suck
yeah um i don't know it's it's
it's interesting every once in a while i'll just jump into the different playlists that it recommends for me to
try to see where it's trying to take me and sometimes you know it'll go off in
totally a weird direction i'm like i don't like any of this stuff but often
it's pretty good i've been happy with it because when i i had two problems with
spotify the first was the discover
playlist was just totally like stuff i didn't listen to at all
and the the second was now maybe you can do this on certain
services with spotify but i usually use this with my tv
and my google home and what i want to do is i have a song on this on in my head
and i'm like i want to play this song and then that's all i want to do and
after that i wanted to just go forever playing related music and google play
music is wicked at that that's very good at that not only will it play other
songs that you'll like they might not even be from bands you know of yeah i
started with a nine inch nails song the other day nine snails die hard
the next 10 songs were for bands i never heard of i didn't skip a single one
they're so sweet nice uh i actually really like doing that sometimes yeah
it's wicked if you try to do this on spotify guess what the second song will
be the second song will be the same song again because
instead of playing the song you search for and then a bunch of related songs it
will play all the search results so it'll be like
so you try to put on uh so be like that same song or like
remixed by someone else yeah you try to put on stairway to heaven you get started to heaven then you get live then
you get cover yeah it's like yes yes spotify this is what i wanted
no one's ever wanted this i'm gonna hopefully troll at least one
person okay google play that hipster song with
the whistling okay so that's in one of their
you jerk did it work uh no no dang
oh i should have said with google play music so sometimes it gets confused if
you don't include that i don't know why but because you can have a different default music player yeah yeah so if you
have two installed it might have to like ask or whatever but
you got me it did it yes some people got it okay now let it keep going
you can even mute it and leave it off on the side or whatever but let it keep
going it does a pretty good job and it doesn't continue to play hipster whistle
songs or what do you mean that good job well it continues to play
hipstery kind of songs but that actually sound kind of similar and fun with the
same tonality and all these other kind of things it does it does a pretty good
job i ended up um already cancelled some people are like
no screw it um someone actually said it
didn't recognize the voice yeah my yeah i've got that recently someone tried to
troll me and then google was like that doesn't sound like james yeah my
girlfriend even trying to impersonate my voice couldn't get into my phone using
that's not surprising yeah you know i know but it's just it's it's interesting
it did a pretty good job i would love to hear three devices
some guys said three devices are playing that song in my house right now when i did the there was a previous WAN Show
where i did this a similar command with some weird russian song that goes
yes people people kept tweeting me like man it was it was 1am my whole family is
awake now yeah it's pretty bad we gotta we put a lockdown on that recently okay
so we're adapting maybe maybe that was bad you did that on purpose yeah i did
it's the accidental ones we're looking out for hey there's actually an amazon
echo uh topic here we can go right into sure
so this has to do with amazon trying to monetize and
place ad units into echo devices so
there's a thread on the forum by man keys who actually pretty much supplied a
lot of almost all of the threads today thank you man thank you very much
however i kind of think that you're making your title for this is uh fake
news because as far as i read it's not the case that
your amazon echo is going to be reading out ads
to you that would be so brutal um as far as i've seen i don't think that's
what they're trying to do but what they are trying to do is
have brands be like the sponsored search
results so just like when you google something um if you google new truck
there's gonna be a ford ad at the top of your search results page right but
now we're talking about voice so there's no page there's just there's gonna be a
suggested product so if you ask like there's an example here that says
if you ask a-l-e-x-a because we're not trying to
trigger the vocal commands anymore good idea um to add an item to your shopping
cart it will suggest you buy a particular brand so i think that means like
a-l-e-x-a uh can you add some toothpaste
to my shopping cart and it'll be like okay i can look for a brand like colgate
would you like that and if you're like no it can find some other stuff but the default
matters because a lot of people are gonna be like yeah yeah instead of being like no actually i would like sensodyne
complete because i got a little wimpy teeth
i don't flaws so
yeah it's that is really
yeah so apparently it might suggest it based on
your previous purchasing decisions which is not that bad so that would be a
situation like hey alexa i would like some surface cleaner
and they know that you bought a clorox
clorox product in the past so they'll say okay do you want
pine saw that kind of makes sense um it's going
to keep people in a little bubble which is maybe not great but if you're just
trying to order something with a voice command you're probably not trying to shop around you're probably just trying
to stay within your bubble you probably just want the transaction done faster so
that's maybe not a bad thing um i'd be interested in hearing what other people
have opinions in terms of that if i'm making a purchasing decision that i'm
even remotely unsure of i always research this is probably for your
second time buying something yeah right so and and it says that it's going to
suggest things based on what people have previously bought so if you've already
bought one of these and you're like hey i need some toothpaste and you've been buying the same toothpaste for freaking
ever and it's like hey do you want the same toothpaste that you've been buying for freaking ever you'll just say yes
and then well that's what we want but now we're talking about that not happening because of sponsored
posts yeah do you want the thing you've always been getting or do you want this new featured
product that like maybe sucks but they paid money
so that's what is going to be the default yeah
interesting it would be cool if they had a voice
command for like no i'd like the usual uh the huge you know what i mean
well like like if you're if you're uh
they might know what you want like the dude at mucho burrito knows my order
um the people at subway over here they know me too yeah it took them like six months
i have a very simple order i get everything for the veggies like
everything yeah so it's like they have two decisions anyway they're on it now
here's my question and i think this is interesting i don't know
i think there's a if you're a glass half full person or a glass half empty person
you might have two answers here okay is it likely
that google will also seek to monetize
in uh similar ways because google has if they already are
they're the main advertiser in this space right but is it antithetical to
google's mission statement or corporate culture
given that they're coming from a place where they're taking the world's
information and putting down onto one search result page they're giving you
options it's democratic it's supposed to be based on like the
the link juice of the internet you know the democracy the population
popularity contest of the internet here um when you get into voice you only get
one answer so does google do the same thing
amazon's doing or do they never do that
i suspect they will i gotta get that green yeah paid
advertising is is google's whole thing i
would highly sweetest they would i this this is just making me think like we
need more competition for amazon um because like with google situation
what is it going to suggest you buy can you even auto buy things through
voice with google walmart they have a partnership with walmart
yeah well i just like it's it's the same situation with amazon where it's just
some like giant massive company eating everything up
this is going to take more purchasing from other random companies i don't know
alibaba is coming soon yeah that'll happen well that'll
usability up here yeah the usability of alibaba is not there compared to amazon
google has its own shop express yeah come on man
it's not there i mean like on the same scale in terms of usability um
trust like if something is a prime product on amazon
um if it's shipped by amazon it's a prime product it's
uh it's a high likeliness that you're going to get it on time that you're going to be able to have an easy time
with returns and warranty and all that
other kind of stuff i i don't know it's it
it shelters you like most normal stores do and a lot of online situations don't
do that properly and their shipping sucks and stuff like
i understand why amazon's where they're at but
they need better competition one more
well we got to do flow plans so let's do Floatplane and one more i'm gonna i
don't even know if i can screen share um maybe you did the wrong guy yeah i'm
gonna try that you can find me in the club
we don't call it that anymore it was full playing club
come on man um
it's still not i don't know if we're going to be able
to show it
well either way screen sharing is not happy right now
but full plane has a bunch of really cool stuff on it at the moment there's
even one thing that doesn't happen that much there's a poll
there's a there's a discussion poll asking you guys how uh you guys want us
to share ces content on Floatplane
because there's a few different good questions usually we don't care what you
think still not working so we will not be able to screen share um oh i bet you
i know why it's not working and i could fix it if i had more time but i don't
that's okay um there's yeah there's a poll asking how you guys want us to
share content and essentially the decision was with something like youtube
we have to time out our releases or youtube's algorithm is gonna be like no
screw you guys and they're already they're already gonna do that a little
bit because of just the nature of how rapid fire we have to do ces content but we're
going to do our best to spread it out and make the youtube robot happy um but
with flow plane whatever it doesn't it doesn't matter we don't
have to fight any weird algorithm so you guys have so far decided post it in
the main section and just fire letter writ fire hose let her go so
right when it's ready we're just gonna post it up you guys gonna get the content a little bit faster it's not
gonna be the one week window that it normally is because that would be terrible um but it is going to be a
little bit faster in general we're going to get it up to you guys right away it's
going to be good you can look like a twitter magician
yeah you're going to be in the know this video's coming remember it's going to be
awesome um on here regardless outside of the pool there is a tech wiki for why is
Windows display scaling so bad i'm excited for that i know a fair amount
about it because i did the uh surface
studio review and there's a lot of really interesting information in that
as to why the screen is the resolution and uh
aspect ratio and stuff that it is it seems to me like a topic that's like
yeah it sucks but it has to be this way yeah like you just haven't thought about
it as hard as the engineers it sucks for a reason uh there's the
oneplus 5t review now in white if you haven't seen the ad for that it's been
everywhere so i'd be surprised there's a flow plane exclusive behind
the scene uh from right before christmas that just got released so i don't know
got released now but either way it just came out i will not spoil you guys gotta
see it um so the behind the scenes thing i know some people are
salty that we don't release this in other places but youtube would destroy
our search ability if we did that because most people don't care about these things um i think they're awesome
and the people that do care about them are pretty hardcore about it but anyways
there's the 13 gpus in one pc mining
adventure part two this is a very large
departure from the um kind of amateur hour mining adventure
part one just you know you know there was some comments they were accurate
we're just you know what but we're moving forward
part two strong return part three
is gonna be even stronger of a return so we're coming at you with some really
interesting mining adventure videos they're coming pci express 4.0 as fast
as possible john back at it again with the epic videos um an LTT handmade uh
there's an ltvt video of a handmade portable arcade box um nothing
as far as i know check it out uh super cool and there's also
um some like extra footage from the chiller
resurrection which is super cool so if you're into that there's extra footage
the untold story of the chili resurrection again stuff that if we
threw this on youtube people wouldn't care as much it would hurt the channel
so we're just throwing it on flow plane for the super hard course and that's it
we're done moving on to now this weekend there's gonna be another keyboard video
oh a zany keyboard video us i think we almost did every one of
them zaniness is ending here
okay we have another one yeah i think so this is a little simple
guy yeah sure let's just do that unsurprisingly if you think about it
2017 was the biggest year ever for electric car sales wow i'm super
surprised actually tell me more there was a time in like in
the 30s yes like before the model t where
electric cars actually were the main uh had the most market share above
combustion engines but since then this is the biggest year ever someone asked
about the dust video i'm going to just say this right now the
dust video is going to happen i'm going to be in it Linus is going to
be in it there's possibly other people that'll be in it this is probably not
i don't even know what this is oh this is pretty i understand where you're going with that but no it's uh the dust
computers are up in the corner i'm not going to be in it guys
you should just you should just walk through the screen at some point hey
um yeah it is going to happen we haven't filmed it yet
means it's not going to be filmed to at least after ces so it's going to be at
least another week until it's filmed but it's going to happen eventually
anyways let me chuck some numbers at you here yeah december marks the 27th 27th
month of consecutive sales gains for plug-in vehicles
meaning evs so in 2017 there was nearly 200 000 evs sold in the us 199 826 this
compares to 100
158 614 so what is that like a 30 increase
pretty decent so if you break that down by the top five browns that were sold
the tesla model s was the number one seller at 27 060. next in line
chevy bolt chevy bolt the the electric version at
twenty three thousand two hundred ninety seven next in line back to tesla it was
the model x twenty over twenty one thousand of those sold
and then what was that i just last i read the last bullet
points okay okay i thought you were like model x no no no no no
no i love the waterline it's got the frunk um
the fourth one was uh the prius prius prime from toyota over twenty thousand
almost twenty one thousand sold and everyone wants to know how many tesla
model threes got delivered in 2017 and
it looks like it was about two thousand about two grand they're doing what a
thousand a week now uh which is less
than a previous promise that they'd be doing 5000 a week by the end of the year
they're now hoping to hit 5000 a week by this summer in terms of production
estimations that's pretty standard um
from what we've been able to expect so far is there's the estimation they won't
hit it but they'll do pretty darn good um and that's cool because they'll
figure it out eventually there you go
um someone said in chat stream Labs is
releasing their own kind of version of obs because obs is open source that is a
thing i'm going to be screening with that on my personal stream i believe
Colton is as well but i don't know if i'll end up using it we'll see
that's another interesting news bit though because if you're into streaming
it streamlines a lot of haha get it streamlines a lot of different stuff
which is cool and uh i think we will see
you guys at sea yes yes we have so far never
missed a WAN Show at ces so theoretically there will be a WAN Show
at ces but every single year it's super random
how it works is super random who's on it is super random where we are is super
random what time it starts
not that that's different from normal but it's pretty random it'd be pretty
cool if we did it from a plane like we have wi-fi on the plane the
dope you might even be able to get by with
like a super crappo resolution if we get like everyone else on the
plane to not use wi-fi you might be able to get by with a super terrible
resolution um if you think sitting beside a baby on a plane sucks wait till
you're beside two podcasters i think it would just get
rejected from twitch though because the latency
because like i i connected to a game while i was on a plane just to check out
my latency and it was like quite a few seconds between input
and what actually happened well we can always do another pre-recorded one like
this one was oh
why no i'm joking
i'm joking it says friday january 5th right there
oh jk no the joke i gotta go man
anyways uh i'll see i'll see you guys ces videos ces one
show next week see you later goodbye